comment_id,post_id,post_title,body,score,created_utc
iekeago,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,">While the main issue being debated in Moore v Harper, scheduled for a hearing this October, is a gerrymander that conflicts with North Carolina's constitution, the issue at the core of the debate is what's called the ""Independent State Legislature Doctrine.""

...

>That doctrine—the basis of John Eastman and Donald Trump's effort to get states to submit multiple slates of electors—asserts that a plain reading of Article II and the 12th Amendment of the Constitution says that each state's legislature has final say in which candidate gets their states' Electoral College vote, governors and the will of the voters be damned.

...

>""Trump and the Republicans can only be stopped from stealing the 2024 election at this point if the Supreme Court rejects the independent state legislature doctrine … and Congress amends the Electoral Count Act to constrain Congress' own power to reject state electoral votes and decide the presidency."" - Judge J. Michael Luttig

So, according to Thom, not only plausible but probable scenario",5815,2022-07-02 11:32:52
iekmpgz,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,We’re pretty fucked if all their recent decisions have just been them “testing” the water.,4719,2022-07-02 13:01:30
iekplkm,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,">	
>
>	The fate of American democratic elections rests on Barrett.

We’re fucking fucked.",2839,2022-07-02 13:28:27
iekt8fg,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Simple answer:  it’s been stacked by right wing religious extremists.,2588,2022-07-02 14:00:09
iekns33,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Actually No

https://www.vox.com/22958543/supreme-court-gerrymandering-redistricting-north-carolina-pennsylvania-moore-toth-amy-coney-barrett

>Four members of the Court have already endorsed this doctrine, despite the fact that the Supreme Court has repeatedly rejected it over the course of more than a century. Along with Gorsuch, Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Brett Kavanaugh all embraced it in lawsuits seeking to alter which rules would govern the 2020 election.

>Meanwhile, the three liberal justices plus Chief Justice John Roberts have all signaled that they will not overrule the more than 100 years’ worth of Supreme Court decisions rejecting the independent state legislature doctrine. So, unless Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, or Kavanaugh has an unexpected change of heart, the fate of American democracy is now in Justice Amy Coney Barrett’s hands.

The fate of American democratic elections rests on Barrett.",2507,2022-07-02 13:11:35
iekny50,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,what the fuck is wrong with the supreme court,2125,2022-07-02 13:13:09
iel8k1v,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,We’re completely fucked on all levels.,2124,2022-07-02 15:56:44
iekoyln,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Don't tell me to beware, tell me what to do besides protesting or voting.",1952,2022-07-02 13:22:33
iekf3mw,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Let's do an armchair whip count.  The 3 liberals will vote against this insanity for sure.  We need 2 more votes to stop.  Alito and Thomas are hopeless.  Barret has been quiet lately, but I can smell the lunacy on her.  

So Roberts and Gorsuch.  I'm pretty confident Roberts will oppose this.  He's an asshole, but not batshit crazy.

So, Gorsuch.

One man will determine the fate of the American experiment.  

FUCK.

Edit, this is wrong, a better analysis is lower down",1777,2022-07-02 11:42:19
iekdogl,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,If you can’t win cheat,1746,2022-07-02 11:25:31
ieksh7k,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"“When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

Sinclair Lewis was spot on.",1735,2022-07-02 13:53:45
iekj2m4,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"This case, Moore v. Harper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore_v._Harper) seems to concern some trivial shit but Moore, the side representing the North Carolina Legislature, has centered their argument on the claim that the unrecognised constitutional theory of Independent State Legislature Doctrine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_State_Legislature_Doctrine) is legitimate and should be American law. If the majority pro-Trump SCOTUS rules in favor of Moore (who is the pro-Trump side of the case), then ISLD will become US law.

Consequences of ISLD:

* State legislatures are allowed to throw out electoral college electors in federal presidential elections and replace them with whoever they like, overriding the public and giving every vote in their state to their preferred candidate

* State legislatures are allowed to destroy ballots for any reason they like in federal elections

* State legislatures are allowed to crate new ballots for any candidate they like in federal elections (ballot stuffing)

* Civil war at the next election

The plaintiff, Tim Moore, the Republican Speaker of the North Carolina House of Representatives can be reached at the following address:

Legislative Office, 16 West Jones Street, Room 2304, Raleigh, North Carolina. 27601-1096

His telephone is 919-733-3451 and his email is Tim.moore@ncleg.gov

Here's a list of the donations he has received in this election cycle: https://www.transparencyusa.org/nc/pac/friends-of-tim-moore-sta-c1652n-c-001-pac/donors

.

~~If anybody has the skills to whip up a flyer with this text or something similar in Microsoft Word/Publisher, InDesign, iStudio, Canva, etc, can you please do so and link the result as a pdf in a reply to this post so people can download it and print off a stack of flyers?~~

Here is a link to a flyer you can print off about this: https://mitch.us-east-1.linodeobjects.com/moore%20v%20harper.pdf",1592,2022-07-02 12:25:33
iekr1u8,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,So the judge forced through right before the 2020 election gets to bring on facism.,1519,2022-07-02 13:41:23
iekpd0p,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"A couple more good explainer articles ICYMI:

Slate: [It’s Hard to Overstate the Danger of the Voting Case the Supreme Court Just Agreed to Hear BY RICHARD L. HASEN](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/06/supreme-court-dangerous-independent-state-legislature-theory.html)

Vox: [A new Supreme Court case is the biggest threat to US democracy since January 6](https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/23161254/supreme-court-threat-democracy-january-6)

Local reporting from NC: 

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article262471032.html

https://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2022/06/30/breaking-u-s-supreme-court-agrees-to-hear-nc-gop-challenge-to-state-court-oversight-of-redistricting-elections/",1427,2022-07-02 13:26:15
ielcl94,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Not *all* fucked, if the fascists win the next election you probably won't have to go vote anymore, saving you a trip!",1242,2022-07-02 16:26:25
iekuzq8,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"This has been talked about since November 2020 — the only reason the coup in Congress failed was Republicans lacked majorities in both chambers on January 6th so every objection was destined to fail.  If they retake both chambers this November, we will have King Trump in 2024 because all it takes to exclude electoral votes is simple majorities in both chambers.

Anyone who believes Republicans won’t do that is a naive idiot.",1171,2022-07-02 14:14:52
ielc33c,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Sometimes I think the police have been militarized over time because Republicans knew that once they had the courts, they'd roll all the rights back...and cause mass civil unrest.",1162,2022-07-02 16:22:43
ieklybd,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"So when the Republican Party lied about the 2020 election being rigged, they thought the appropriate action was to storm the Capitol with guns, mace, tazers, a noose, and zip ties to hold hostage and murder the Vice President and numerous Congresspeople.

... what does the Republican Party think we should do when the elections are actually rigged???",985,2022-07-02 12:54:08
ieklorw,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,They’re laying the groundwork for a fucking civil war.,932,2022-07-02 12:51:32
iekjbj0,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,We're fucked.,902,2022-07-02 12:28:06
iekvw2k,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[removed],894,2022-07-02 14:22:00
iekoq1p,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"these next two years are gonna set this country back hundreds of years, its gonna be an absolute shit show.",874,2022-07-02 13:20:22
iekmh04,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Nothing, since they’re rigging in their favor",724,2022-07-02 12:59:12
ieks1dx,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Gotta give it to Moscow Mitch, he really Palpatined this shit for years.",690,2022-07-02 13:49:58
iekfdrp,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,They got their pawn promoted to a queen and they’re running the board,646,2022-07-02 11:45:33
iekr7uw,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Pennsylvania adopted a no-excuse mail in voting law in 2019. Republicans argued that this law went against the states constitution. They wanted to invalidate Bidens win in the state.

Of course, many of the Republicans arguing against that law in 2020 **supported it and voted for it in 2019.**

They were fine with it until Trump lost

Given that kind of jackassery, odds that Republicans would flip flop AGAIN and approve of a voting  rules advantadging a Republican that go against the state constitution (as hinted at in the article)?

100% 

After all, these are the same people doing illegal shit to try to show there is illegal shit going on.",632,2022-07-02 13:42:51
iekncs0,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Be ready to protest. I don’t mean “power walk to your state capital in an orderly fashion to register your displeasure until the predetermined end time.” I mean “shut shit the fuck down until these bastards stop corrupting the country.”,631,2022-07-02 13:07:34
iekuped,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"It’s insane to watch how Republicans are forcefully pushing their policies through and being absolutely relentless in their pursuits. 

Meanwhile democrats are acting like this can be handled with a “when they go low, we go higher!” approach. We need a democratic version of Lich McConnell.

The problem is when one side plays by the rules and the otherside is cheating. The cheaters will win. They’re not playing by the same rule book.

But hey America is looking pretty good if you’re a hardcore fundamentalist Christian who fucks their gun to sleep every night. For everyone else (read: the majority) it’s going to be really shit.",627,2022-07-02 14:12:30
iekqfkp,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"This is the real tipping point. It’s been slowly tipping for a few years, but it’s accelerating now and it’s about to accelerate beyond repair. If 2024 goes this way, and the resulting civil unrest is quelled by force, america will be scarred and unrecognizable for generations. 

This is really bad, and people can’t be bothered. The best years of the current generations may already be behind us.",590,2022-07-02 13:35:52
ieke3mn,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,I can’t believe this is in the realm of possibility. America is on its way to becoming a failed state if the GOP gets their way.,501,2022-07-02 11:30:37
iel4ona,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"If they want to start a civil war, this is how you start a civil war

If a state legislature overturns a blue electorate than democracy is dead and the social contract holding everyone back will be null & void. 

It'll cause anarchy, riots, then a full out civil war.",495,2022-07-02 15:28:14
iekiwv2,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Honest question but wouldn't something this big cause some of the larger financial states such as California and New York to threaten secession to get this changed?? 

Congress should go ahead snd try to pass a bill their next session creating a law about thr electors. Always good to get people on record.",493,2022-07-02 12:23:51
ielhdmw,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[deleted],464,2022-07-02 17:01:16
iekspdt,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"These consequences are the most obviously should be illegal ones.  

The most sinister one is unlimited gerrymandering and state electoral colleges.",447,2022-07-02 13:55:41
iekuahh,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"But Reagan told me it would come in the name of liberalism. 

Outstanding American actor Ronald Reagan seems like a stand up guy compared to some random Pulitzer and Nobel prize winning author whose works focused on satire of the American capitalist system.",445,2022-07-02 14:09:01
iekp8ag,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[deleted],425,2022-07-02 13:25:03
iektzy6,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Arm yourself and be ready to defend yourself,420,2022-07-02 14:06:34
ielgp6m,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Liberal gun owner here.  I've been stocking up.  I don't know what I can do or if there's any point... but it seems prudent.,420,2022-07-02 16:56:22
iel4x3x,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"As a liberal who's avoiding owning guns, I guess I need to change that.  It's apparent that one side is ready and willing for a civil war.",413,2022-07-02 15:29:59
iekrh9n,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,The Federalist Society and improved life expectancy.,412,2022-07-02 13:45:09
iela8dk,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[removed],397,2022-07-02 16:09:04
iekp63p,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,">""The Supreme Court on Thursday said it will consider what would be a radical change in the way federal elections are conducted, giving state legislatures sole authority to set the rules for contests even if their actions violated state constitutions and resulted in extreme partisan gerrymandering for congressional seats.""

CHeckmate democracy.  Christianity's generations long goal of subverting and eliminating democracy prevails.",396,2022-07-02 13:24:31
iekvz3x,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,I'm still waiting to be trickled on by the rich,378,2022-07-02 14:22:40
iekg7h3,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Yeah,  Gorsuch is not even close to reasonable. He just lied to allow religion to force its way into schools.",374,2022-07-02 11:54:52
iekrohi,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[deleted],373,2022-07-02 13:46:51
ieleozf,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Maybe there is some merit for the 2nd then,370,2022-07-02 16:41:42
iekmg7w,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"I think many in CA would consider secession at the point where the votes don’t matter any more.

Water’s the tough part. We’d need CO at the very least.

Edit:

If anyone is interested, this is the CA party whose primary goal is sustainable secession. I don’t necessarily agree with the party, but it does exist for this reason, and does not seem to be full of lunatics: https://www.californianational.party/",352,2022-07-02 12:58:59
iekobfx,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"The bigger question is, what does the Democratic Party think you should do when the elections are actually rigged? Because right now, it feels like their answer is going to be ""talk it out with the Republicans who have rigged the elections"".",349,2022-07-02 13:16:36
ieky5o9,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Why can't you just... Get rid?,334,2022-07-02 14:39:38
ieksn3t,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,This is the scariest thing I have seen in my entire life.,326,2022-07-02 13:55:08
iekt635,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Could have a mass protest* on July 4th in the DC streets. People could travel as it's a holiday.

But I'm sure time will pass with inaction again. Democratic leadership needs to start organizing its base. But songs and glares seem to be all they can offer.

Edit: *More French than American. There doesn't need to be violence but even WV lights up a couch after a win.

Hell why can't we encourage the city to strike. Grind to a halt. Not just a march. Anything but a damn march.",324,2022-07-02 13:59:36
iekvv7k,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[deleted],323,2022-07-02 14:21:49
iekqsnj,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"They're not just running the board, they're changing the rules to accommodate their win. Roe V Wade was the beginning of them going 'actually you can't overtake our queen, because pawns turned queen can't be overtaken, but also that only applies to the White queen.'",322,2022-07-02 13:39:06
iekqst5,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,forgetful lip late special deranged sulky clumsy snobbish unite noxious -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/,320,2022-07-02 13:39:09
iekubrh,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Protesting isn’t going to do anything. They don’t care. The whole country could show up to DC on the 4th. Nobody would give a shit.,305,2022-07-02 14:09:19
ieku7bu,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,If this happens then every sane American citizen should go on strike,304,2022-07-02 14:08:16
iekufci,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[deleted],296,2022-07-02 14:10:09
iekr5ob,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"This truly is a nightmare scenario. Any Federal law/precedent that hasn’t been codified is pretty much fair game for states to weigh in on & challenge. The GOP never needed a coup, packing the courts was all they ever needed.",282,2022-07-02 13:42:19
iekimxi,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"You Americans, especially ones that live in Red States, need to start thinking long term and start preparing.

Don't procrastinate.",281,2022-07-02 12:20:57
ieksfyp,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"It would, there is no way around it. SCOTUS would effectively be ruling that voting is just a suggestion to the legislature on what they should do. That may have flown in the 1770's, but it won't fly now. No one in this country truly wants us to be a Republic. The American people wouldn't stand for it.",279,2022-07-02 13:53:26
iele8ik,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,That's so fucking ridiculous. Excluding *electoral votes* take a simple majority but much simpler things like getting rid of the filibuster require 2/3rds,271,2022-07-02 16:38:23
ieli63i,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Slight correction there. Dismissing a filibuster requires 2/3rd votes. Simply eliminating the filibuster is a simple majority. The Democrats in the Senate could eliminate the filibuster now if they wanted to, but Manchin of course believes the filibuster is a vital aspect of the Senate, and some democrats doubtlessly think the filibuster is a vital tool to keep Republicans in check. Shame. The filibuster is just one of the ways America has been subjected to minority rule. It will be gone anyway soon so that Republicans can implement their fascist agenda. Better to have used it now to pass electoral reform.",266,2022-07-02 17:06:52
ieljxmx,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Obligatory Socialist Rifle Association plug /r/SocialistRA,263,2022-07-02 17:19:38
iekuhsh,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[deleted],248,2022-07-02 14:10:44
ieksgqn,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"The first rule of fascism club isnt ""dont talk about fascism club"", it is ""take over the courts"".

IF you cant see the writing on the wall, they will put it in bigger letters for you and I GUARANTEE you this decision comes out in their favor.   


edit: my bad on timing, was thinking fall cases.",247,2022-07-02 13:53:37
ieke8ug,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[deleted],240,2022-07-02 11:32:21
iel1uc6,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Thanks for the better articles. This blows.,239,2022-07-02 15:07:17
iekq2ot,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,The Handmaid.,236,2022-07-02 13:32:45
ielesfp,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[removed],235,2022-07-02 16:42:26
iekr5vr,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Anyone else as concerned that a ruling in favor of ISL would spark a civil war?,229,2022-07-02 13:42:22
ieknzvi,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Harder to leave for the average person than you might think.

My husband and I actually have the money to pay for Canadian citizenship but we'll never qualify. We can't get approval for any kind of long term entry.

Europe REALLY doesn't want Americans. 

A lot of us see the writing on the wall but don't have great options for leaving.",225,2022-07-02 13:13:36
ieliga5,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Guns ammo and food all I've been buying...and I'm a liberal gun owner who believes they should all be banned but since it won't happen I'd rather have it than not have it in this climate,225,2022-07-02 17:08:56
ieklleq,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"We're already a failed state, my friend",223,2022-07-02 12:50:38
iekoyvl,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"CO water is running out anyway, right? Time for large-scale desalination plants.",222,2022-07-02 13:22:37
iekuq0l,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"It’s clear to me now that the Union never won the civil war. We’ve been in a cold civil war since the reconstruction and the confederates have spent almost the whole time slowly, by inches, gaming the system. 

The coup for the executive branch failed. Or maybe it succeeded in being the noisy distraction from the deeper, quieter, and more effective judicial coup.",221,2022-07-02 14:12:38
iekidc1,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"I thought Gorsuch has already gone on paper saying he generally supports this doctrine. Barret is, extremely unfortunately, the deciding vote on if American democracy dies.",216,2022-07-02 12:18:14
iekxfp0,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Because it would. That would basically trigger two things:

A) Democrats in red states can no longer win in Republican states. Period

B) The electoral process for president is fully compromised.

These two things would mean the for all intents and purposes, it is no longer possible to peacefully make progress in this country. It would take away power from the people entirely.",213,2022-07-02 14:34:06
iekpybm,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"The ONLY way out of this is to impeach Thomas and demand a re-vote on any decisions he’s made that are directly or indirectly related to the violent coup ~~his wife supported.~~

Edit: his wife *participated in.*",204,2022-07-02 13:31:40
ielb1kl,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Bro, they haven't even begun to fuck.",201,2022-07-02 16:15:04
iekrjro,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"> ""What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

> ""This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

…

> ""But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

> ""And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

— They Thought They Were Free  
The Germans, 1933-45  
Milton Mayer

https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html",201,2022-07-02 13:45:44
iekqbf0,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[removed],200,2022-07-02 13:34:51
ieky1s9,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Years of Republicans bitching about “activist judges”,199,2022-07-02 14:38:49
iekrrep,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Yes.  It's the end of democracy and the propaganda machine will continue to tell it's base they are ""winning""",192,2022-07-02 13:47:34
iekw5ny,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"> No one in this country truly wants us to be a Republic. The American people wouldn't stand for it.

Uh... I'm pretty sure about 40% of the country will be cheering this on because ""their"" team is the one winning. Conservatives have been indoctrinating their base for years now with slogans like ""We are not a democracy, we are a republic"". They *want* this!!",187,2022-07-02 14:24:06
ieky92v,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,How would you propose doing that?,183,2022-07-02 14:40:23
iekp9ox,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"I thought the downfall of the country would be a slow process, but it seems like everything is happening extremely rapidly now",177,2022-07-02 13:25:25
iekgh1x,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Koch Brothers long term plan to transition America to Fascism about to come to fruition.,174,2022-07-02 11:57:54
ieksznb,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"It is becoming clear that the 2020 election was just a trial run to see where all the faults and pressure points of our election system are.  They are now attacking those points, so that they can install whoever they want as president in 2024.",172,2022-07-02 13:58:04
iel1aic,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,The more fundamental problem with our govt is the fact that our rural states get an outsized vote in our elections and get more representation in the senate than they deserve.,171,2022-07-02 15:03:20
iekw0np,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"I am not sure why more people are not more concerned about how profound the changes have been to our Supreme court. We are quickly pushing into completely new and dangerous ground with how this court is operating.


The glaring issue to me is how blatantly political the current Supreme court has become. In pretty much back to back decisions they contradict their previous logic. They say that states do not have the right to dictate their own concealed gun laws because it is far too important, and wouldn't want the 2nd ammendment rights to be taken away by any states, but the constitution doesn't say anything specific about a right to carry a gun at all times. They then subsequently ruled that only the states should be able to determine whether women will have bodily autonomy because federalism is so important to our democracy, and the specific verbage of reproductive rights are not directly written into our constitution. Brett Kavanaugh even goes as far as citing a nonexistent ""right to travel"" to justify his decision on abortion law. Basically saying that a woman can just drop everything and travel potentially hundreds of miles to have any authority over her body (while keeping it a complete secret so she doesn't face legal jeopardy). 

So they are not only completely disregarding decades of legal precedent with zero inherent changes to the real world in the interim (this goes against what the Supreme court had always done). They are citing very broad language to rule in favor of very narrow laws when it suits them, and removing long held rights of people by citing the lack of specific language in the constitution when it doesn't. They are using new decisions as precedents to strip decades of jurisprudence...literally citing themselves from last year to disregard decades of precedent. They are referring to nonexistent rights to justify stripping long held rights, and sometimes even including conspiracy theories into their opinions to attempt to find high ground.

They are making decisions that do not reflect where the majority of our people are heading. They are starting to shred decades of hard won freedom based on beliefs not held by the majority of Americans or prior Supreme courts based on flimsy logic that changes depending on  political implications. 

It's fucking infuriating, terrifying, and just plain sad that our highest court has now been infected with our terminal cancer of tribalism. Nobody seems to give two shits about stolen Supreme court seats or the shredding of years of long held jurisprudence as long as they are beating the other team...",169,2022-07-02 14:23:01
iektku6,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"That's the fucked part, these so few people actually think they're some outright super-majority. It's hilarious they get shitty with people.",169,2022-07-02 14:03:03
iekmkav,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Greedy people don't think about what they have. They only look at the things they don't have. They are addicts.,166,2022-07-02 13:00:07
ielkz2g,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,The filibuster will be gone the nanosecond McConnell thinks he could get even a slight advantage from axing it.,166,2022-07-02 17:27:16
iekql3h,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Haven’t we already figured it out though? 

Desalination plants require a lot of energy.

Nuclear plants supply a lot of energy. 

Use the electricity from the nuclear plants to desalinate. 

Solving oil & gas dependency and the water crisis at the same time.

Isn’t this feasible or am I missing something?",166,2022-07-02 13:37:17
ielw0gg,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,The sad thing is any violent act by victims of a fascist takeovers will be betrayed as domestic terrorism.,164,2022-07-02 18:48:20
iekqa6d,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Did you notice how all the judges Trump put in were extremely young?  Thats why.  The GOP wanted to lock this down long term, so youth and health was needed.",163,2022-07-02 13:34:33
iekwzvm,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Idk they seem to want to take us back to feudalism so it still works,161,2022-07-02 14:30:40
iekollb,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"I can't even imagine all the dark money getting funneled to these conservative Supreme ""Justices"" to help them comply the GOP vision of America.",160,2022-07-02 13:19:14
iekr8b1,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Yeah, I have zero confidence in someone who has spent most of her adult life obeying the men who control her.",159,2022-07-02 13:42:58
iekrep0,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,2022 midterms are the first step.,158,2022-07-02 13:44:32
ielimho,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Politics is about solving problems and disagreements without violence.

But politics can fail.  If the Supreme Court rules that states can now ignore their voters, then politics has officially failed.

Fuck it should never have gotten this far even.

We've accepted maps that are gerrymandered to fuck, and give permanent power to the minority party in many states.  Now they want permanent control of the Federal government, too, and this is how they get it.",156,2022-07-02 17:10:11
iel00ox,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"State electoral colleges is the worst thing I have ever heard, and it is, of course, the next logical step for a party whose only foundation is based on minority rule",155,2022-07-02 14:53:42
ielchdu,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[removed],153,2022-07-02 16:25:38
ieko6cd,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,If this passes we can no longer change the system from within the system.,149,2022-07-02 13:15:15
iekqctl,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Yep.  Also buy guns.,147,2022-07-02 13:35:13
iel155g,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,This is what happens when you have a two party system and one of the two parties decides to just completely stop following the agreed upon rule book that has worked for hundreds of years and just start making their own rule book as they see fit. And the other party decides that they still have to take the high road in every given scenario because they have too much integrity and moral high ground to stoop to their level and do what actually needs to be done to stop the madness. So one party is quickly dragging the entire country into an abyss and the other party can’t agree upon what type of rope they should use to throw the country a lifeline because they’re more worried about the optics if they choose the wrong type of rope instead of just trying anything and everything within their power to save the country from the abyss by any means necessary. Who the hell cares about the damn rope?,146,2022-07-02 15:02:18
iekkw0m,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"I just don’t understand them. They’re already wealthy and powerful, they won at life. Why do these people insist on screwing us over even more? Never mind, figured it out. They’re just psychopaths and we’re the insects that gets our wings torn off just for their amusement.",145,2022-07-02 12:43:45
iela2op,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,War is coming,144,2022-07-02 16:07:53
iel2b8t,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[removed],143,2022-07-02 15:10:42
iekzj5j,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,They serve for life. It’s fucked. One of the easiest ways to start fixing the US is to impose term limits on all political positions.,140,2022-07-02 14:49:59
iektmms,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"So sounds like blue states just also need to throw out the federal set of electors and then send 10x the amount of electors that federal law says they get. And if the red states do the same and send more, blue states ultimately win out by population.

If they change the law, we just have to exploit it more.",139,2022-07-02 14:03:28
iel0r18,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,">improved life expectancy.

(For the wealthy)",135,2022-07-02 14:59:17
iekpcc5,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,That really is the long term solution. We figure that out and drinkable water is no longer a global issue,135,2022-07-02 13:26:05
iektlff,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Sure, if congress wants to get off their asses and draw up some legislation. Otherwise, no. This case would actually remove checks on state legislatures.",135,2022-07-02 14:03:11
iekwj2i,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"> No one in this country truly wants us to be a Republic.

The ~25-30% hardcore Conservatives do. It's the only way they will ever get their way again.",134,2022-07-02 14:26:59
ieku82r,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,As if losing the popular vote and still coming out on top isn’t rigged enough,133,2022-07-02 14:08:27
iekrhfx,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,This is why we need to support the [Restore Democracy Amendment](https://citizenstakeaction.org/restore-democracy-amendment/) to get foreign/corporate dark money out of US politics.,133,2022-07-02 13:45:11
iel1zjz,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"We are at that point in high school history class where you asked why didn't the Germans who opposed the Nazis gtfo when it was clear the writing was on the wall. Dear America, the writing is on the wall and the leaders you elected to oppose this stuff are doing nothing.",131,2022-07-02 15:08:21
iekljc4,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Thomas, Alito, Kavanaugh, and Gorsush have all stated rhet support the Independent Legislature Doctrine. It's too late to hope the court does the right thing. The time for action is now ... only I have no idea what to do.",131,2022-07-02 12:50:05
iekqal6,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"You know how it goes. Slowly for decades, then everything all at once.",131,2022-07-02 13:34:39
iekiox6,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Then we are fucked,127,2022-07-02 12:21:33
iekr9kk,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,This feels like the beginning of the movie The Purge. Or maybe it's just me,127,2022-07-02 13:43:17
iekx4sk,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"strikes absolutely could work if a critical mass of people in certain industries could organize for it. 

the power structures that control this country are those that generate wealth for a select few individuals - THAT is what needs to be targeted. shut down industries in key areas and suddenly you are taken a lot more seriously.

im not saying the fight ends there, because historically successfuly strikes are where things get hairy, but honestly that is the fight the working class are going to have to have if they want their rights. 

the entrenched power of private wealth is not going to roll over and give up the reigns easily.",125,2022-07-02 14:31:44
iekttha,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"""The 2nd Amendment isn't relevant in 21st-century USA""...

I really hope it doesn't come to it, but liberals need to be able to shoot back.",121,2022-07-02 14:05:03
iekvjtw,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"The Second American Civil War has already started.  It’ll be up to future historians to argue of whether the opening salvo was political, like a stolen Supreme Court seat, or whether it was actual violence like Charlottesville or January 6th…but it’s already started.",120,2022-07-02 14:19:25
ieks1k9,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,He HAS fought valiantly for Native American sovereignty (see is scathing dissent of the courts recent decision to allow state governments to prosecute Native Americans on Native American soil) which is about the only good set of opinions he hold. I have a hard time seeing him not vote with the crazies on this one tho.,119,2022-07-02 13:50:01
iekp4wl,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"I don't think the America I thought I lived in as a child ever really existed, but the America we're living in now is definitely different from the America of 2015.  It's just a different country and I didn't vote for the changes but the votes I cast can't really impact anything based on where I live.",118,2022-07-02 13:24:13
iekrltm,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Legit can’t even watch it anymore lmfao. 

Fuck, I tried to pick up 1984 the other day since I hadn’t read it in a while and felt physically ill after a few pages. Idk what I expected to feel given the current circumstances in the US, but it feels like the ground is slowly disappearing from under me while I know it’s coming but can’t do anything to stop it.",114,2022-07-02 13:46:13
iel05tk,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,">	They’re not playing by the same rule book.

At this point, the two parties aren’t even playing the same fucking sport.",114,2022-07-02 14:54:45
iekl31x,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"This case is basically going to allow states to overrule their voters. You can’t vote them out if they are allowed to throw out your vote. We all know where this is headed, so prepare yourself.",111,2022-07-02 12:45:40
iem4n2z,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Yup, they pre-empted it with Jan 6th, setting an example of taking up arms FOR the corrupt wannabe dictator, so any rebellion against actual corruption can be similarly condemned. Even the protests after the Roe v Wade overturn were being labelled 'insurrections' by the right, which sounds dumb but is swaying the language, delegitimising proper outrage and allowing much more bold moves (like these recent blatant court swings) with less fear of reprisal.",111,2022-07-02 19:54:20
iekrrg9,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,I was in Indiana and people were casually talking about wanting a civil war and naming Democratic politicians they wanted to off.,109,2022-07-02 13:47:34
iel5oe4,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Yeah we are witnessing history whether we like it or not. This is going to be talked about and studied for the next few centuries. No different than how we look at the Romans and others now,109,2022-07-02 15:35:33
iekxhdm,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Right wing propaganda at work! Years and years of demonizing the left makes them subhuman in the minds of millions of republicans, so who cares if they're killed en masse?",108,2022-07-02 14:34:28
iel06id,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"2022 midterms will, at best, slow the process. The most we can do is keep or add to the majorities in the house and senate, and maybe flip the legistatures of some of these states (unlikely). The SC will grant this appeal, and as soon as these states flip back to red, they will never turn back ever again.",104,2022-07-02 14:54:55
iel4wuq,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Can someone wake up the democrats? Wth are they doing? They reminding me of the good place committee in ""the good place"" series.",103,2022-07-02 15:29:56
iekqi7w,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,I feel like it was slow. We’re just nearing the end of the finish line making the road look shorter. Republicans have been planning this for decades.,101,2022-07-02 13:36:33
iel31xo,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"I keep seeing people say ""half"" and I'm sick of it. You're right. It's 25-30% trying to fuck over the other 70-75%, and they're winning at this because they saw the metagame of government and have been playing the metagame instead of the game itself. And damn has it been working...",101,2022-07-02 15:16:11
iekv6hi,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Make an escape plan so when/if this happens you’ll be able to leave for safety.,98,2022-07-02 14:16:26
iekt50g,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Why do we protect the second amendment so much? Something about government tyranny.,94,2022-07-02 13:59:21
iekmr3q,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,I hate guns. It's time to buy guns.,93,2022-07-02 13:01:55
iekoezu,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"At that point, the GOP controlled federal government will remind us that states aren’t allowed to secede. If blue states try to do it anyway, the GOP will send in the troops to put down the “insurrection” and thousands will die. Followed by a whole lot more.

On the bright side, blue states have more money, better systems for logistics and better organized resources. On the dark side, the military will obey the GOP, because everything that’s happened will have been constitutional.",93,2022-07-02 13:17:31
ielc52r,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,f927a15ee736728b907c5619f43b3e57c5ab3aba92a927be864d4aee5128fd6f,93,2022-07-02 16:23:08
iekytcv,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"I've not a scooby doo. I'm from the UK, and your different houses and courts confuses the fuck outta me.",92,2022-07-02 14:44:31
iekfk70,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"“If you can’t beat em, beat em.” - announcer from The Mighty Ducks (1996)",91,2022-07-02 11:47:34
iekukax,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Which I think is the point. It would permanently entrench single-party rule and remove any legal way for the citizens to change the makeup of their government,90,2022-07-02 14:11:18
iel4aey,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Looks like this country is headed towards Civil War. I'm not sure it will be fought in a theater of armed insurrection but in all other available channels. The next couple decades are going to be extremely tough and challenging for Americans. If this country normalizes oligarchy at the cost of democracy, the world will have nowhere to go.",88,2022-07-02 15:25:16
iekrf9f,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Correction: the civil war either never ended or resumed in (at the latest) 2000. It just ran “cold”. We’re seeing multiple salvoes aiming to turn it hot.,88,2022-07-02 13:44:40
iel4wob,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Have you not heard ""the south will rise again"" thousands of times in your life? I have. They weren't kidding.",88,2022-07-02 15:29:53
iekqyhe,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,You’re assuming that the SCOTUS isn’t making shit up as they go along.  The hypocrisy and double-standards from their “reading of the law” is cherry picking to find some half ass justification for a predetermined outcome.  And if that isn’t sufficient they’ll call for a constitutional convention and “edit out the ambiguities” that the semi-divine founders overlooked in composing the inspired document.  These are the same idiots who have called for rewriting the Bible because “liberals have misconstrued some passages from its original conservative spirit” or some such stupidity.,88,2022-07-02 13:40:33
iekxu3l,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"I might be wrong* but I think it was Chris Hedges who added ""and carrying a cross"" to the Sinclair Lewis quote. I only say because Hedges' 2007 book *[American Fascism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Fascists#Contents)* basically laid out what's happening now (loosely).

\*narrator edit: *he was wrong, but the narrator also recommends the book*",88,2022-07-02 14:37:10
iekz3dy,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"When we go high, they uppercut us in the jaw.",88,2022-07-02 14:46:39
iekj4hw,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Get out and VOTE in all elections! State elections matter just as much (or more) than midterm and presidential!,85,2022-07-02 12:26:05
ieksfrx,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[removed],85,2022-07-02 13:53:23
ieku2f9,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Meanwhile, states would be able to gerrymander to the most extreme degrees possible, making it much more difficult to elect a congress that would amend the issue",84,2022-07-02 14:07:08
iekuhvz,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"The Democrats are so useless, I can't stand it. I guess we can't expect much more from a party that really is conservative at their core.

I don't see how Republicans don't have everything in place to take control of the next two elections, and then control of how our democracy runs in general. I feel pretty hopeless.",83,2022-07-02 14:10:45
ielg5je,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"I wonder if this is how it felt being in Germany when it slid into fascism. It didn't happen all at once, it was just a chipping away of rights and steady political and legal gains made by the fascists and their ardent supporters, until it was too late to undo.",81,2022-07-02 16:52:22
iekmkyg,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"The author is overlooking an important detail. The Constitution does allow state legislatures open discretion in determining the manner of selecting their presidential electors, but there is one major constraint: whatever process they choose must be executed on the exact same day everywhere in the nation. That day is set by federal legislation as the first Tuesday after the first Monday of November, what we call ""Election Day."" (Really we are voting for slates of electors that have pledged for one candidate.) 

Could a state choose its electors by lot, or by vote of the legislature? Of course. They always could do that and they obviously can. But they have to do that ON ELECTION DAY. What they can't do is hold a popular election on election day and then override the results on a later day. That's the Eastman scheme and it holds no water, regardless of how the Supreme Court might rule on this gerrymandering case.",81,2022-07-02 13:00:18
iel3wnp,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Oh hey, we will accidentally actually get ""1 person 1 vote."" When we escalate to the point of ""every citizen is an elector"" your vote will actually count. And even as much as a red states vote.",81,2022-07-02 15:22:27
iekqij9,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"It was slow. The groundwork for this has been laid for the past fourty+ years. Their ducks are in a row, it's now time to execute their plans",81,2022-07-02 13:36:38
ieksvt1,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"I open reddit every now and then, see some variation of this comment. 

I then log out. I can only adapt to circumstances as they unfold.",80,2022-07-02 13:57:10
iekvkr4,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"If it’s peaceful, you’re entirely correct.",80,2022-07-02 14:19:37
iel0ur7,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,I would never want to be a controversial political figure who served for life. I don't want to constantly worry about someone making sure I stopped serving.,79,2022-07-02 15:00:06
iekw4g8,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Gorsuch also joined the libs and Roberts in a 6-3 decision in 2020 expanding lgbt rights.,78,2022-07-02 14:23:50
ieksbbv,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,I have to hope that they realize that the fall of our current system would also strip them of most of their power.,77,2022-07-02 13:52:20
ielelmg,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"The numbers are so far on our side it'll seem more like the squashing of a bug.

The republicans don't have the patience to properly assert all of the repercussions to their actions. Their foresight is as only as strong as their character.

Edit: inclusion of specificity",76,2022-07-02 16:41:01
iel8f2b,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,So if this passes the US basically has 2 years left before fully dissolving into civil war or theocratic dictatorship.,75,2022-07-02 15:55:43
ieky8ep,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Never wanted a gun in my life. I've already made the decision to buy because of this shit.,75,2022-07-02 14:40:14
iekwve0,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[removed],75,2022-07-02 14:29:41
iel3ynk,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Also learn how to grow food.,73,2022-07-02 15:22:52
iekolnp,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,How the GOP fomented a democratic institiutional multilateral coup with the scotus(corruption)+senate(obstruction)+congress(insurrection) is now in the clear. Anything is possible with these corrupted and racists christalibans clowns. Fuck the gop for eternity.,71,2022-07-02 13:19:15
ieku260,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"On the one hand I’m glad to be Australian on the other hand, and I mean this sincerely, it’s fucking heartbreaking to see The USA undo tremendous progress.",71,2022-07-02 14:07:04
iekrki9,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,It will bring the chances to about 100%,71,2022-07-02 13:45:55
iel36up,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,I wonder who they’re going to blame when everything goes to complete shit. Probably one of the Clintons,70,2022-07-02 15:17:13
iekf1vv,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"You cant vote SCOTUS judges out and the Senate supermajority needed to remove them from office isn't achievable.  

The only actual peaceful solution is to vote for Democrats that are willing to expand the court.  But Joe Biden vocally against that.",67,2022-07-02 11:41:44
iel5qtw,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,defenestration,67,2022-07-02 15:36:03
iel14a6,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Pretty ironic that the lack of a term limit was meant to keep the judges from having to worry about playing the political game in order to keep the position.,67,2022-07-02 15:02:07
iekqkzw,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"It *has* been a slow process. The decay and rot set in with Nixon and it's been a slow descent from there. Now everything has been put into place after decades of scheming, and the dominos are falling down.",66,2022-07-02 13:37:15
iekru2k,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Is it too much to assume that SCOTUS knows this?  Don’t they realize that it would be the death knell for democracy?,65,2022-07-02 13:48:12
iekv2fj,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[deleted],63,2022-07-02 14:15:29
iekicf0,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/vpg89w/highlights_from_yesterdays_debate_for_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share,62,2022-07-02 12:17:58
ielhrh9,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"The 2A crowd argues that it's their protection against a corrupt, overreaching and unjust government. Where are they in this? Fucking crickets.",62,2022-07-02 17:03:57
iekmq37,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"I can't make it through this.

""*Your* campaign is a spy-op.""

Shameful for our country and the idea of democracy for parties to foster absolute lunacy in the people, and then appeal to the craziest parts of America for votes.",62,2022-07-02 13:01:39
iel5wqb,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"If we increase the majority and eliminate the filibuster, we can pack the court and put election protections in place. It’s ain’t over till it’s over.",62,2022-07-02 15:37:16
iekrezy,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"This is not the time for doomerism. Why do we all feel so far removed from our own story? The illusion of congressional power has made the masses of people supporting the pyramid of hierarchy feel too stepped on to stand up. As the majority and with modern technology, we have more power to overthrow a tyrannical government than we ever have. If we do not stand on our hind legs and howl, we will eat it in the final act, and the verdict of some higher observer will be “they didn’t even struggle”. This is too nightmarish to imagine. Do not succumb to doomerism and pacifism. Authority is a lie and an abomination. Authority is an illusion. Let’s not give our lives and our children’s lives away because we would rather trade it to be a part of this institution that only wants to use and disempower you. This regime of puritain christian power and all dominator regimes that follow will fall at the hand of those who reject its false authority.",61,2022-07-02 13:44:36
iekipmn,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Barrett is insane,61,2022-07-02 12:21:45
iel3v7x,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[deleted],59,2022-07-02 15:22:09
iel1q6r,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,2 seats came open during his presidency. 1 seat was denied to obama by republicans and held for trump to fill.,59,2022-07-02 15:06:27
iel6p4o,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"So yet again, the Christo-fascists on the Extreme Court are trying to cherry pick what laws they want to follow and what ones they don't based on their already decided Dominionist agenda, not actual precedent and what these laws already say. Yet another push for me to get the fuck out this failing democracy and head for Canada.",58,2022-07-02 15:43:07
iekzah3,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"They had 250 years to figure out how to break a system. That’s not profound, the entire premise of our democracy was build to eventually fail because it’s too difficult to codify new rights and the Supreme Court has too much unchecked power",57,2022-07-02 14:48:09
iekp292,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"I suggest we start work on building the tools to start organizing a new government… either they fold and we get a new governmental check to power, the direct participation of the people in creating government documents… or they don’t and we start civil war.",56,2022-07-02 13:23:30
iel3pbz,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"33% at most—just a very, VERY vocal and empowered 33%.",55,2022-07-02 15:20:59
ieksfij,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Will they?

There are a lot who would stand with and against.",54,2022-07-02 13:53:19
iekp0bz,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"It's not about them getting more, it's about making sure nobody else gets any.",54,2022-07-02 13:23:00
iekpfsj,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,Thats why i want to immigrate ASAfuckingP! I live in the south and i dont want to be lynched or forced to fight in the neoconfederacy,54,2022-07-02 13:26:58
ieknmfk,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Roberts will ensure the conservatives win the case. He’s not principled. If it’s close and 2 others defect, Roberts will make it up. He’s as bad as the rest, just more measured in the media. He’s a hack like the rest and it will be his name in the books when the rest of the world reads about the end of American democracy",53,2022-07-02 13:10:07
iekvv92,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"American citizens should strike(at govt)... if the events in this article become reality, we're well past having workers striking solve it.",53,2022-07-02 14:21:50
iekqtg0,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,[removed],53,2022-07-02 13:39:18
ielv73v,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,"Sure, if it wasn't blue cities and red country in every state.",52,2022-07-02 18:42:12
iekrfga,vppo6t,Beware: The Supreme Court Is Laying Groundwork to Pre-Rig the 2024 Election,I wonder when Clarence Thomas is going to take away his own right to vote. Has to be coming soon.,51,2022-07-02 13:44:42