comment_id,post_id,post_title,body,score,created_utc
k6dt579,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","I used to vote third party. I think the two party system has flaws and I don’t like how it has created a zero sum game. 

But. 

A zero sum game has become the reality. It doesn’t really matter what my preference is; the Democratic party is at least still abiding by democracy and the GOP is working overtime to subvert the will of voters.   

I, too, would like to see more options for people but the time is not now when America is in dire risk of failure. We need to vote liberal so we at least have the option to vote for the changes we’d like to see in the future. Voting GOP is choosing dictatorship.",1781,2023-10-25 12:09:35
k6dvibl,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",[deleted],1278,2023-10-25 12:28:59
k6dzbj8,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","The solution to the two party system isn't voting third party, it is ranked choose voting and ultimately getting rid of the electoral college winner take all.",947,2023-10-25 12:58:37
k6ea1di,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","If you want ranked choice voting, vote Democrat, since they have pushed it in solidly blue states. While Republicans have outright banned ranked choice voting in their states.",573,2023-10-25 14:13:51
k6ds8cl,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",No labels along with Cornell West and RFK jr are all Trojan Horses funded by billionaires and engineered to help Trump win.,427,2023-10-25 12:01:40
k6e92k3,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","No Labels is not registered as a political party. They claim this is because political parties are evil and bad, and that they, No Labels, are a good and righteous group who is so morally pure that they're ""above"" partisanship.

The real reason why they're not registered as a political party is because it allows them to keep the source of their money secret from the public.

[Who Funds 'No Labels' Push For More 2024 Choices? They Won't Say.](https://www.npr.org/2023/05/01/1173122299/who-funds-no-labels-push-for-more-2024-choices-they-wont-say)",425,2023-10-25 14:07:26
k6elleu,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",True but I have a feeling they would have less difficulty electing the Donald,350,2023-10-25 15:26:47
k6dxvss,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Until ranked choice voting becomes a thing in presidential elections a third-party vote is nothing but sending a message at the expense of realistic thoughtful voting.,224,2023-10-25 12:47:43
k6eeej9,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Just to add a tangible example to this - the mayoral race in my city was recently won with less than 28% of the vote, with three other candidates getting >20%. We were supposed to have ranked choice voting for this cycle but the state legislature banned it. It only applied to local elections.",182,2023-10-25 14:41:59
k6ezwgf,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","That's actually their solution to both problems.

Elect Trump as Speaker of the House, then he's only two heartbeats away from being sworn in as president, causing riots, using the riots he caused as a pretense for declaring martial law, stacking the supreme court, and firing everyone in the government who doesn't fall in line as he assumes permanent control...  all without having to deal with even one more pesky election.",177,2023-10-25 16:52:58
k6dsgl0,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Everything republicans and the ultra wealthy do are undemocratic because most of the country is fucking sick of it but can't vote it out.,166,2023-10-25 12:03:43
k6env6v,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",It’s weird how No Labels claims to be above partisanship yet everything about them seems to favor a Donald Trump dictatorship.,162,2023-10-25 15:40:35
k6f2n53,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","You know, I'm thinking maybe it's not a good idea to elect representatives who think that's okay.

""Do you believe in the constitution and democracy?"" should be a basic qualifying question.",135,2023-10-25 17:09:21
k6dtjzy,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Right now RFK pulls more from Trump. If that continues his funding will end and he’ll drop out. 

Can Cornell really pull enough? I need more information. 

Right now there isn’t a Ralph Nader or Jill Stein. Time will tell",121,2023-10-25 12:13:07
k6ek5oj,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","And the reason they're ""No Labels"" is because the label for them is ""Fascists.""",107,2023-10-25 15:17:58
k6e35v9,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","I really hate how many idiots are stupid enough to vote 3rd party when so much is on the line.  Is the democratic candidate perfect? Fuck no, but I'll take a slightly stale sandwich (biden) over a shitburger on a black mold bun (every R candidate) if given the choice.  Not choosing 1 of the 2 only real options available is delusional and idiotic.",90,2023-10-25 13:26:31
k6efogl,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Sarah Palin is not a fan of ranked choice voting. That means it must be good!,86,2023-10-25 14:50:01
k6dzuep,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",">Can Cornell really pull enough? I need more information. 

The thing is, you don't need to pull much if a state is really competitive. A few thousand votes were all that separated Biden and Trump in a few states.",85,2023-10-25 13:02:35
k6elv3k,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","True.

But you can bet your sweet blue ass that they'd elect Trump if given the opportunity.",78,2023-10-25 15:28:25
k6e3ode,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","I know when Biden didn't personally do my dishes and mow my lawn that I had no choice but to #WALKAWAY.

Check our r/walkaway for some totally legit stories of totally legit grassroots supporters.",72,2023-10-25 13:30:10
k6dsliy,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Did you just label them as ""weird"" and ""anti-democratic"" when they *specifically* asked you not to??",70,2023-10-25 12:04:55
k6e4tl0,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Subvert is exactly the wrong word to describe the interstate compact. Its an effort to ensure the EC abides by the popular vote, and doesn’t subvert democracy in favor of parliamentary fuckery by red states in particular.",68,2023-10-25 13:38:19
k6e4yk2,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",No Labels: because any labels that apply to us make us look fucking horrible.,60,2023-10-25 13:39:16
k6eb8dc,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","The Walk Away movement was hilarious. I always ask them to name some legislation they absolutely loved and why, from when they we’re allegedly Dems. Watching a conservative bad faith actor try to talk like what they think a Dem sounds like is fucking hilarious. 😆",59,2023-10-25 14:21:41
k6e47f2,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",RCV first to fix congress and state legislatures (or enough of them). Then worry about the EC. There's an effort at the state level to subvert the EC at the state level (National Popular Vote Interstate Compact) that would not require any changes to the US constitution that is more likely to succeed.,59,2023-10-25 13:33:57
k6e9vpz,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",There is no promise that it will get better.,57,2023-10-25 14:12:49
k6fr0jl,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",And funny how the bipartisan can’t-we-all-just-get-along guys were totally silent as the House GOP rejected any semblance of a bipartisan solution to their speaker shitshow.,55,2023-10-25 19:34:05
k6eemcu,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",The EC becomes more and more undemocratic over time because the number of House reps was capped in 1929. Uncap the House to get a more representative EC.,50,2023-10-25 14:43:21
k6f5x9s,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","""Sure, I believe the Constitution can help some people who vote keep us in power indefinitely, absolutely!""",50,2023-10-25 17:28:43
k6dvaom,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","It helps to think of the parties as permanent coalitions with varying degrees of participation from one election to the next. Instead of 4, 5 or 6 parties at election time that need to form a government after taking office, we do the last part first.",48,2023-10-25 12:27:18
k6e8f98,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",What makes you want to vote for RFK? I personally find him so off-putting in terms of his denial of proven science.,47,2023-10-25 14:03:03
k6eailo,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","growth smoggy berserk act domineering frame point cable historical sulky

 *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev/home)*",44,2023-10-25 14:17:01
k6et44u,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Yeah, we have RCV in Maine, in response to voting in proto-Trump Paul LePage twice with under 40% of the vote. The rub is we can only have it in Federal Elections cause the state constitution bars it for state elections. So now we have much better third party representation in our elections, and except for Governor which was the whole impetus behind the movement.",43,2023-10-25 16:12:13
k6ealmg,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","lavish station tender cats trees rinse marry vase scandalous overconfident

 *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev/home)*",42,2023-10-25 14:17:35
k6ed0mu,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","""As a black, I think we blacks are tired of BLM being shoved down our throats. I will walkaway and vote Republican because the left have lost their minds""",38,2023-10-25 14:33:10
k6e31ru,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",I could see ranked voting but the electoral college is in the constitution and there's no way in hell with today's political climate the constitution could get ratified.,37,2023-10-25 13:25:43
k6e837m,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",...You'd love to vote for a conspiracy theorist anti-vaxxer nutjob?,37,2023-10-25 14:00:46
k6f2k44,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","I'll pound this drum until my last breath, but please please vote in the democratic primaries. Short of having a viable third party, this is the best way to determine who ends up on the ballot for the general election.",36,2023-10-25 17:08:50
k6eegu3,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","""He's batshit insane in every other category, but I absolutely believe him in this one!"" - You.  


""Climate change is being used to control us through fear."" - RFK Jr.  


""“The crisis has been, to some extent, co-opted — by Bill Gates and the World Economic Forum and the billionaire boys’ club in Davos — the same way that the Covid crisis was appropriated by them to make themselves richer, to impose totalitarian controls and to stratify our society, with very powerful and wealthy people at the top, and the vast majority of human beings with very little power and very little sovereignty over their own lives. Every crisis is an opportunity for those forces to clamp down controls.” - RFK Jr.  


Yeah, he's a QAnon grifter nutjob that shouldn't be allowed out of his padded cell, let alone with the fucking Presidency.",36,2023-10-25 14:42:23
k6ehq8w,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",I’m not sure why no labels is called a centrist group.  They’re not.  It’s just another republican dark money group that wants the same things as all the other republican dark money groups. They’re just another bad faith actor pretending to be an alternative to fragment the votership enough to give maga a shot at winning.,35,2023-10-25 15:02:48
k6e3csv,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Cornell's campaign is literally being run by Jill Stein. He's going to try to do what she did in 2016.,35,2023-10-25 13:27:53
k6f5wa4,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",GOP will cling to the electoral college no matter what. They can't win the presidency without it.,35,2023-10-25 17:28:33
k6es2yj,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Well, one side of the aisle has been pretty solid for Jeffries, it’s the tantrum overthrowing side that keeps proving they’re incompetent at their job.",32,2023-10-25 16:05:55
k6eemgw,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Doesn't have to be a constitutional change, just repeal the apportionment act that stripped the power from cities and gave outsized power to rural areas (a sop to the South in the 20's, same as always at that point).

There is supposed to be an EC vote for each member of the house and senate, but they stopped doing that when they realized urban areas (you know, the economic engines of the modern economy) would have more power than the conservative rural regions and that can't be allowed, sooo......",32,2023-10-25 14:43:22
k6eekh9,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",I think RFK jr is playing you for a fool.,32,2023-10-25 14:43:01
k6e2p1g,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",This is the way.,30,2023-10-25 13:23:12
k6eilxr,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Only after it cost her an election.,30,2023-10-25 15:08:16
k6e81e3,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Your sarcastic first sentence reminds me of this classic Simpsons

> If you want an experienced public servant, vote for me. But if you want to believe a bunch of crazy promises about garbagemen cleaning your gutters and waxing your car, then by all means vote for this sleazy lunatic.",29,2023-10-25 14:00:24
k6ejhbt,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",[deleted],28,2023-10-25 15:13:45
k6e7pda,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","The UK and Canada have parliamentary systems, though. It still ends up being effectively a two-party system, the outcome of which simply happens at the coalition government level, whereas the American system forms its “coalitions” with various sub-parties at the *primary* level, and has two major parties run in the general election.",27,2023-10-25 13:58:10
k6dw33h,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","The GQP has proven, unequivocally, that they are wholly and totally incapable of governing. Their only hope of relevance in the coming decade is a mad power grab.",25,2023-10-25 12:33:35
k6e4ekv,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","I’m a moderately conservative guy and absolutely not crazy about Joe Biden. But I think he gets an A+ on the whole “respecting democratic processes” thing. All presidents throughout history have gotten an A+ there, except for one and anything less than an A+ is unacceptable. It’s really a pass/fail thing. 

So, begrudgingly, I’ll vote for him again. I just don’t see a 2nd Trump term ending well. He won’t get anything done and he will make the entire presidency about himself and staying in power.

I’d love to vote for RFK Jr but my biggest concern with this election is maintaining democracy and I think that necessitates a vote for Biden.",25,2023-10-25 13:35:23
k6f68dg,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",[deleted],25,2023-10-25 17:30:33
k6esv68,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","thats only true because you and most of the voting population believe that. if you guys actually voted for one of the major party candidates, every state would be purple with a very small handful of exceptions",25,2023-10-25 16:10:42
k6e84ig,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",No labels is supposed to be a centrist group yet their sole purpose is to fck with elections to get the Republicans a win. Can we male some kind of law that outlaws businesses interfering with elections? They want to run a third party for the sole reason of taking away votes for democrats. The know it would t effect Trump because of his cult. Man fk the rich and their million +1 ways of fucking everyone else over. We really need a full on class war. Te to show them how little we have to lose thanks to them.,24,2023-10-25 14:01:00
k6g2e8e,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",">Ryan Clancy, No Labels’ chief strategist, said in a CNN interview in May that **No Labels could use its electoral votes** as a “bargaining chip” with one of the two major-party candidates to prevent a contingent election.

What does this mean? How does No Labels have electoral votes?",24,2023-10-25 20:40:40
k6evnrq,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","> They can't even elect a fucking speaker.

It's all a big show. When their real bosses(enemies of the US foreign and domestic) bark orders magically they will elect someone.  I'm guessing after some major world wide event between the Ukraine Russian war and what appears to be Russia's proxy war by which they're using Iran to try to smack Israel with and get the US on board for WWlll because I guess Putin thinks that will make a good legacy for him?  We may never know. It seems like he wants to be remembered like Stalin someone who killed off his own family iirc.

edit* UPDATE: 5 hours later! What do you know? An election denying MAGA hat got speaker. Call me a psychic! Get me a job. Hire me baby! I can read the future or is it just the magic of ADHD pattern recognition.",23,2023-10-25 16:27:32
k6dzg48,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","We can't entertain a third party until we change the way primaries and voting work.

Primaries are anti-democratic due to their party restrictions and the fact that we have some states voting sooner than others leading to a herd mentality and some states flat out don't have a voice in the choice (Like California and New Jersey...the choice has already been made before these two massive states vote in the primary system)",23,2023-10-25 12:59:35
k6ecd14,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",That might have made sense before Trump but now it means you might not get a chance to make things better.,23,2023-10-25 14:28:56
k6euh42,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",I got approached by a No Labels canvasser the other day and actually engaged in a conversation and got a “extremists on both sides” spiel. And I brought up the fact that “compromising” with the right has dragged the Overton window such that our parties are center right and far right and have no interest in enabling the continuing degradation of the process. He defaulted to typical talking points. It was exhausting.,22,2023-10-25 16:20:27
k6egrz3,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",“As a black” 😆 😆,21,2023-10-25 14:56:53
k6ekcxu,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","No Labels: Because ""Fascists"" looks bad.",20,2023-10-25 15:19:13
k6e5msr,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Its not weird. No labels has always been a gop group,19,2023-10-25 13:43:57
k6ehwho,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","""my sandwich is bad so I'm going to eat a pile of shit in protest."" 

That's you. And that's been you since 2000 and you're selfish you refuse to look past the end of your face.",18,2023-10-25 15:03:54
k6eebek,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","No, paint the Democrat as unfavorable and draw enough votes for Trump to win.",18,2023-10-25 14:41:25
k6dtn3o,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",They get to decide the rules!,17,2023-10-25 12:13:50
k6e5ega,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","American democracy is non-partisan. I’ve voted red, I’ve voted blue, will vote blue until the sedition wing of the GOP evaporates, then I’m evaluating based on policy (I’m a New Deal Bull Moose progressive).",17,2023-10-25 13:42:21
k6f50sd,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Ending the electoral college has much more traction amongst Democrats than Republicans, and it would need to be a bipartisan effort. Which means getting Republicans on board.

Ensuring that the election goes to the House of Representatives will accomplish the exact opposite of that.",17,2023-10-25 17:23:25
k6ehm7a,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","“As a real Dem Gen Z voter I liked the handouts the Dems gave me, so I could be lazy and steal taxpayer dollars, but Biden’s support of climate change legislation was a step too far”",17,2023-10-25 15:02:05
k6ehlap,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","I hate being a contrarian, and I’m always wary of the feeling that I’m choosing something simply because it’s the opposite of what somebody else wants… BUT. I think with Sarah Palin, this is actually a good way to choose the right thing to do.",17,2023-10-25 15:01:55
k6eixob,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","[""I'm a black gay guy and I can personally say that Joe Biden did nothing for me.""](https://twitter.com/JacobRubashkin/status/1326266748727943169)",17,2023-10-25 15:10:18
k6eh8f9,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Yeah, I don't think any reasonable person thought that we would be facing down an actual fascist takeover in our lifetimes.",17,2023-10-25 14:59:40
k6e4o2x,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","It's not a zero sum game. Republicans have the advantage because they play dirty. Even if democrats win, they still lose. See, for example, McConnell not allowing judge nominations to proceed.",16,2023-10-25 13:37:15
k6dyk0t,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",I don't know if they can pull the plug on RFK jr now. He has built a small base with the crazies and might be able to last through the election on small donors. He is also crazy and isn't in it to help Trump but actually thinks he can win.,16,2023-10-25 12:52:53
k6f2x6b,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",We have the worst ratio of elected officials to citizens at the federal level of any democracy.   The house needs to be expanded.,16,2023-10-25 17:11:02
k6eh0ho,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",I don't particularly want to die under a fascist regime just so that some 20-something might eventually overthrow that same regime in their old age.,16,2023-10-25 14:58:21
k6dzpos,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",So that explains why the orange one is telling people to not bother voting because he doesn't need their votes. This is the new scheme to overthrow democracy. Knew they had to have one up their sleeve.,15,2023-10-25 13:01:36
k6farr1,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","In his defense, he wasn’t supposed to “support the constitution “…",15,2023-10-25 17:57:17
k6exo1u,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Also states can essentially abolish the electoral college by passing laws that say the electorates must vote for the popular vote winner.,15,2023-10-25 16:39:41
k6eo1hw,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Peltola would have won under the previous setup as well.  She got the plurality in the first round of voting.,15,2023-10-25 15:41:37
k6f77pc,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Yes, but unless *everyone* does it you're doing it *at the expense of your own state's voters*. Its the same reason why most states have winner-take-all electoral votes.

One way to get around this is to add a caveat that it only is in effect while states with >270 combined EC votes  have identical laws in effect.

But then even if you achieve this coalition (you won't), you're a single election cycle away from one or more members of that coalition changing their rules and breaking it. And that's before we get into sticky questions of enforcement.",15,2023-10-25 17:36:22
k6etvkv,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Odds are very low it would get better. If Trump wins, we will descend into a long, painful period in our history",15,2023-10-25 16:16:49
k6ejw2u,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","I wouldn't call that attacking, just providing their opinion. That line of thinking reminds me of all the people who were saying Trump was just pandering to the far-right to get their votes and then he'd pivot to the center when he got elected citing his track record as a Democrat.",15,2023-10-25 15:16:19
k6ejlvz,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Bro you really need Dems to sit down with a whiteboard and lecture you about why voting for the best possible set of material conditions and consequences a given election can afford is worth your time??,14,2023-10-25 15:14:32
k6gmkqg,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Even if it was a qualifying question, they would just lie. They can word salad a justification that their base would eat and then get behind as new talking points to support their fascist bullshit.

My guess is, if they were asked that question they'd say yes because the reaction would be, ""See, what a decent person.""

Then, after proceeding to go against that response, when asked why, if they answered yes, the GOPer would string together a word salad about how the Constitution is open to interpretation and they said from their stance of what upholding the constitution means. Also, ""We'Re A rEpUbLiC, sO i DoN't KnOw WhAt YoUr PrObLeM iS! wHaT a NaStY, dIsHoNeSt QuEsTiOn!""",14,2023-10-25 22:49:23
k6edis2,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","That IS a good pro-science thing he did, before turning against science.",14,2023-10-25 14:36:24
k6ehaml,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","People like to pretend that you can't attribute much of COVID carnage to Trump, but you actually can. A million Americans didn't have to die; there were choices made to make that happen.",14,2023-10-25 15:00:03
k6e9mha,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",These guys were prowling around my local grocery store (without getting approval) trying to trick people into switch their voter registrations.  Scumbags.,13,2023-10-25 14:11:06
k6duwjb,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","That seems like a more effective form of governance, but far less Democratic than the system we have now. The Constitution does not require voters to vote based on policy. They can just vote for the candidate whose face they like more. Letting the people choose means that sometimes the people are going to choose something that is bad for them.

Not to mention winners would essentially be picked by whoever was generating the list of policies.",13,2023-10-25 12:24:08
k6easf3,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",It takes fewer votes to simply take over an existing party's primaries than it does to start and win as a third party. That gap in time between reaching those two numbers will hand elections to whichever party your third party is less aligned with. There's no scenario where it makes sense.,13,2023-10-25 14:18:49
k6ec1gi,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Cool story. 

Again, fuck the polls.",13,2023-10-25 14:26:53
k6fpe7b,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Do you believe in honoring a formal oath of office? Should be qualifying/disqualifying. The Constitution is already in what they swear. 

Many of these dudes aren’t fit to serve on a jury, let alone hold an office of public trust.",13,2023-10-25 19:24:21
k6evkb6,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","No he isn't. There are plenty of legitimate ways to do that that don't require invoking conspiracy theories. When reality supports your argument you don't resort to making things up.

The above quote is clearly invoking anti-vax ""they're trying to control you"" garbage.",13,2023-10-25 16:26:57
k6e6yo9,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Fuck the polls. Vote.,12,2023-10-25 13:53:07
k6e6hzm,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","> Get a charismatic enough candidate, get enough people in support, get on the ballot in every state, and get representatives elected in. Presto, third party.

Lmao. I can't tell if this comment is sarcastic or not.

You do know that if any third party has ANY semblance of power, both of the established parties will use their massive weight to destroy it at its inception. If the third party does survive you just promoted a populist leader in a new party that has no established power, history doesn't look good for when these types of people come to power..it often leads to more autocratic control.

That's why its an impossible ask. Either A). The establish powers use their massive weight to destroy the new party or B). The established powers lose so much good will from their voter base they will vote in a strong man who will force his policies thru with the mob backing him...populism isn't necessarily a good thing.

Neither solution will organically improve the democratic process. 

If we want organic solutions to the two party problem, we have to take baby steps to allow it to democratically happen over time. Such as Ranked Voting, Open Primaries/Same Day primaries, etc. Over time, the established team lines will break and we get a healthy democracy.",12,2023-10-25 13:50:00
k6enkhs,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Debatable that he lost,12,2023-10-25 15:38:49
k6ejpgf,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Not worried. These people are idiotic. 

“The plan consists of running a well-funded third-party candidate in key states, then sending the election to the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, where former President Donald Trump would be virtually certain to win.” 

Terrible plan with 0 prospect of working.",11,2023-10-25 15:15:09
k6epems,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","I may have lost the point of the article when I read that line, but, is this how they see an end to the electoral college?",11,2023-10-25 15:49:48
k6ek8bb,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Tuberville doing whatever-the-fuck-it-is that he's doing with the military promotions.  Don't expect to see anyone seated before a Republican becomes ~~president~~ ~~grand poobah~~ tyrant,11,2023-10-25 15:18:25
k6e8e5e,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Cornell is a grifter that's dropped or been dropped from every party in existence, including the Green Party.  It's about as serious a run as the ""The Rent is too damn high"" guy.",11,2023-10-25 14:02:51
k6e6g50,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Good news:   Some form of ranking is used in many US states at the non fed level already.  Not only are we not that dumb but we are finding out it is pretty popular and growing. 

[source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States?wprov=sfti1)",11,2023-10-25 13:49:39
k6ejsw3,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Gore lost by ~530 votes. Total.,11,2023-10-25 15:15:46
k6eknc1,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","That’s not true anymore. He was too lazy to do the legwork getting the Green Party behind him so he’s no longer running for the Green Party nomination and has ended his affiliation with them. His campaign is now even more of a joke that it ever was. I think it’s extremely unlikely he be on the ballot in more than one or two states, and those states will be Democratic strongholds that aren’t in contention in the first place.",11,2023-10-25 15:21:00
k6ejuvz,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Neat. 

Which party has policy packages more in line with your preferences? Vote for them and then advocate from the inside. 

That's what crazy Republicans do and it's been wildly effective.",11,2023-10-25 15:16:07
k6ekh6l,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Some people who want to see the world burn don't realize they're standing in a pool of gasoline.,11,2023-10-25 15:19:57
k6erm2s,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","A foolish conservative? 

Say it ain’t so",11,2023-10-25 16:03:03
k6f1i6a,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",No Labels party is just rich people trying to make sure regular people never get any real power.,10,2023-10-25 17:02:27
k6f0bbr,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Isn't it weird how centrists always align with conservative ideals?,10,2023-10-25 16:55:23
k6ezlwa,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Reminds me of the enlightened centrist that ""just wishes things weren't so polarized, and that we could all come together and not argue"". That position of non-partisan status quo favors conservatism and is against any kind of reform.",10,2023-10-25 16:51:14
k6e2wi6,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Is it billionaires this time? The “no labels” name is so cringey I thought it was all the Vlads not fit to conscript on a troll farm.,10,2023-10-25 13:24:41
k6e7ivt,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Good news. There are plenty of tools to do that and choose a  candidate. [Here's one](https://www.isidewith.com/).,10,2023-10-25 13:56:57
k6ec7bn,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","We're still a year out... All polls a year out from an election are inaccurate because there's not really anything on the line.  As it gets closer though the polls will be more accurate.

Biden will not have to cheat.  There are lots of people I know who aren't thrilled to vote for him but aren't going to let Trump anywhere near power again.",10,2023-10-25 14:27:56
k6exl3l,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","To be fair, there is no downside to them voting for Jeffries in this instance. The Dems have played political games in the past as well.

Ultimately though, it goes far beyond political games these days. These are existential issues that the Rs are playing games with.",10,2023-10-25 16:39:12
k6erih1,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Yeah, letting republicans win by voting third party is guaranteeing that things stay the same.",10,2023-10-25 16:02:26
k6fmg45,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Yeah but they may have moved past ""finding ways to win the presidency""",10,2023-10-25 19:06:31
k6ewmvv,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","No, you are bad at math. Look at the percentage of eligible voters that actually vote in elections. And a large percentage of non voters are because they assume their vote doesn't matter",10,2023-10-25 16:33:31
k6e52t6,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Some people are probably accelerationists. Force it to get bad so it can get better quicker.,10,2023-10-25 13:40:06
k6ed98j,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",True. Unfortunately only blue and lean blue states have signed on to it.,10,2023-10-25 14:34:41
k6ey3jp,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",3rd party voters and non-voters are the same thing.,10,2023-10-25 16:42:15
k6eo156,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","It *absolutely* is wasted. Third parties are not electorally viable. It’s not about “owing” anyone anything; *intent* doesn’t matter to *math.* 

In a FPTP system, control is going to be winnowed down to two main parties: the party in power, and the next-largest opposition party. Whether it gets there by primary or coalition doesn’t matter. It will trade back and forth between those two, and third parties can act *at best* as a tiebreaker in forming a coalition government in a parliamentary system (which we in America *do not have,*), or they can act as a spoiler to the party they’re ideologically most overlapping with, which is why people like Jill Stein of the Green Party get inundated with anti-Democrat dark money from Russia et. al.

The way to fix this is with electoral reforms such as ranked choice voting. Trying to uphold a *fundamentally* broken system is just wasted effort that could be diverted to electoral reform.

The order of operations is crucial, here. Voting for third parties outside of Maine and Alaska (which have done the requisite electoral reform) in order to change the system is akin to putting your helmet on *after* cracking your head open on the pavement. *No one benefits.*",10,2023-10-25 15:41:34
k6exa45,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","This is a double edged sword to. They probably cant engage in the types of party building activities or electioneering that legit parties can. 

Either way, fuck em.",9,2023-10-25 16:37:23
k6e7vk9,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Agreed I was there as well I've learned,9,2023-10-25 13:59:19
k6ek8wp,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","When every election is a knifes edge between democracy and dictatorship, democracy is already dead.",9,2023-10-25 15:18:32
k6eakku,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",">No labels is supposed to be a centrist group yet their sole purpose is to fck with elections to get the Republicans a win.

Harlan Crow says hi.",9,2023-10-25 14:17:23
k6f0h3v,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","> No labels is supposed to be a centrist group

""Centrist"" as it has been used recently is a cynical rebranding by right-wingers. They say they're not one side or the other, but if you dig just past the surface you see them overwhelmingly supporting right-wing interests.",9,2023-10-25 16:56:21
k6enaoy,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Aren't the GOP the antithesis of a New Deal Bull Moose progressive?,9,2023-10-25 15:37:08
k6eqfba,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Trump missed reelection by less than 43k votes. There’s a reason a guy who “lost” by 7 million was looking for just 12k votes in Georgia. END THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE,9,2023-10-25 15:55:52
k6edtuk,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","And the problem is primary turnout is nonexistent in the US. This is due to two factors. In one instance, you get districts where incumbent runs unopposed, so like who cares they've already won the nomination. The other instance you do have a competitive primary and the more extremist candidate (especially on the GOP side) wins because the primary turnout is sub 25% so those who are more extremist tend to win out. If it at least was on the national elections where these arguments were fought out you'd probably end up with more moderate candidates on either side of the aisle.",9,2023-10-25 14:38:20
k6ejruz,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","I mean, it *does* subvert the electoral college, which is, and was designed to be, an inherently undemocratic institution, but that's a good thing.",9,2023-10-25 15:15:35
k6e8jvi,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","I’m not saying it’s a majority.   I’m saying that your insistence that Americans are too dumb to understand it is not supported by the evidence in front of you.  

Believe me, when millions of Americans vote for Trump, believe in Q and think vaccines are about 5G mind control, I’m 100% with you on doubting the mental prowess of a lot of my fellow countrymen.  

But they’re not everyone or even a majority.  They’re a deplorable minority and the rest of us can push the 10 ton rock of progress forward a bit every day.  

We can improve even when surrounded by bleating idiots.   We’re not doomed unless we choose to quit.",9,2023-10-25 14:03:55
k6f5uhq,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Oh for fuck's sake...,9,2023-10-25 17:28:15
k6er71y,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Manchin can suck my fuckin dick,8,2023-10-25 16:00:31
k6e22o9,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",It's not weird when you look at who is funding.,8,2023-10-25 13:18:51
k6f1ka3,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Yikes, that's a scary sub. They think the economy is worse now thanks to Joe Biden. Their evidence? A tweet from Jim Jordan! Because all former Democrats take that prick's word at face value!",8,2023-10-25 17:02:48
k6eq6b4,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Same with the green party - green stands for ""Getting Republicans Elected Every November"".

They *say* things about environmentalism and even libertarian socialism, and then run candidates like Putin's good friend Jill Stein. Before that it was Ralph Nader. Get enough uninformed or delusional liberals to vote for your supposedly far left candidate and you'll have a republican in office every time they promote a candidate.",8,2023-10-25 15:54:24
k6ea6vo,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","This x1000. People who complain about the ""duopoly"" but don't work toward viable solutions like ranked choice voting and  non-partisan redistricting are not actually solving the problem.",8,2023-10-25 14:14:52
k6e33tl,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Are you suggesting we become a democracy?  Stop right now.,8,2023-10-25 13:26:07
k6eh1o4,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",The “rent is too damn high” party was just ahead of it’s time,8,2023-10-25 14:58:32
k6exj3c,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Accelerationists apparently think that the people who get hurt along the way are acceptable casualties. And that's before you get into the possibility that things *won't* get better, at least not any time soon. Sure, some dictatorships collapse after a few years. Other last for entire lifetimes.",8,2023-10-25 16:38:52
k6f8vhg,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Oh Christ, “the great reset”? You’re falling for conspiracy theories hook line and sinker.",8,2023-10-25 17:46:08
k6epc71,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","That is the *entire* purpose of voting. To choose a representative. If you’re voting for any other reason, that’s all well and good for your own particular motivations, but the thing that actually *matters* is the result, and no one but you actually cares *why* you voted.",8,2023-10-25 15:49:23
k6ei7ui,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Rule by less than half of the people is tyranny. In a functioning democracy, the majority rules. 



To get to 50.1%, you can either form your coalition before the election, like we do, or you can form your coalition after the election, like a lot of other places do. But however you do it, two major factions will emerge. It’s an emergent property of a democracy.",7,2023-10-25 15:05:51
k6en8vy,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","They lost their minds when a mixed-race Senator was elected president for two popular, scandal free terms.",7,2023-10-25 15:36:50
k6fkld9,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","At this point, I’m convinced the majority of Republican voters do not believe that democracy is working.  How can it possibly work if their candidates don’t get elected every election? /s",7,2023-10-25 18:55:22
k6errww,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Welcome do stupid single issue voters who don’t actually know what they’re talking about.,7,2023-10-25 16:04:03
k6eifh2,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","And yet there are a lot of people still willing to roll the dice on the 3rd party front. On the more progressive subs, the amount raging over Bidens handling of Israel Palestine is insane (not sure what they even want other than a complete ceasefire and the US pulling out of the area). They would rather sit out and pout and let Trump take over.",7,2023-10-25 15:07:11
k6eu20q,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",I mean wanting society to burn because of your misguided ideas on fixing it is dumb af,7,2023-10-25 16:17:54
k6ekfyo,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","The entire reason it's pointless to vote third party is because third parties refuse to put in the ground work to build any legislative foundations at literally any level.

Why tf would someone vote for a party that can't legislate their agenda?

Why tf would someone vote for a party that's gonna stand here and claim Dems are the problem then turn around and assume the use of the Democratic party's legislative foundation?

They're fucking useless, and they'll remain useless until third party voters spend a decade or two building a foundation for a third party from the ground up.",6,2023-10-25 15:19:44
k6fpmen,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","The most successful third party candidate in my lifetime, Ross Perot, did not earn ANY electoral college votes in 1992. 

This is not to say that a 3rd party candidate won't have any effect on the outcome, but it won't be electoral. It means that swing states will become even more swingy. 

If they run a conservative, then that'll steal votes away from the republicans. Just like Perot did in 92, and just like Nader did for Gore in 2000. If not for Nader, then Gore would have most likely won Florida.",6,2023-10-25 19:25:43
k6e1oij,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Seems like a hell of a long shot play. They might take an electoral vote from Biden in Nebraska, and I guess _conceivably_ in Maine, but beyond that, they have to actually take entire states that Biden would have won otherwise. They have a better chance of just spoiling those states in Trump’s favor, and it seems more likely that they end up spoiling states in the opposite direction by giving non-MAGA conservative voters an alternative to Trump.",6,2023-10-25 13:16:00
k6efjxl,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Please use the energy to advocate for Ranked Choice Voting.
We need it! It is the only way out this duopolio.",6,2023-10-25 14:49:12
k6f7mom,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","I used to vote third party too, until the 2008 election. The race was so close, the supreme court was able to hand the election to George Bush. He started a pointless war in Iraq that killed between .5-1 million people. 

In the end Bush was ""up"" by less than 600 votes. 

If just 1% of the people who voted for Ralph Nader in Florida in the 2008 election had voted for Al Gore instead, up to a million lives could have been saved. We could have avoided the never ending war on terror and the surveillance state apparatus that came along with it. 

Never again will I put hopes above results. 

Vote for what gives you the best chance at acceptable results and vote as if this is the last election we may ever have, because one of the two major parties is certainly trying it's best to make it so.",6,2023-10-25 17:38:51
k6erwa7,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Yup, every vote for 3rd party is a vote for Trump.",6,2023-10-25 16:04:48
k6e87vs,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Which is hilarious because one of those won't be on the vast majority (if any) state ballots and the other one takes votes from Trump more than Biden.

Grifters gonna grift.",6,2023-10-25 14:01:39
k6f5avm,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","It’s not about winning with a third party candidate, it’s about getting enough electoral votes so there is no winner. Then the House of Reps would pick a president and Senate would pick a vice president.",6,2023-10-25 17:25:04
k6ebpv2,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","There are so many issues with that approach. 

1. The list would generate endless litigation. Are the questions unbiased? What policies are included? Etc.

2. The policies would need to be weighted. I give much more of a damn about someone's foreign policy or healthcare policy than I do about whether weed is legal or not (even though I think it should be). There could be a situation where someone wins even though most Americans heavily disagree with them on the big issues. 

3. No enforcement mechanism. Since there is no enforcement mechanism, and it's possible that any enforcement mechanism would be unconstitutional, political actors would just list support in line with what polling suggests would be most popular. The most well funded and sophisticated polling operation would win, not the person who actually believes the way you do.",6,2023-10-25 14:24:48
k6edyxs,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","- But what happens if no candidate wins 270 electoral votes? Almost all American elections simply award the office in question—a Senate seat, a governorship, and so on—to whoever receives a plurality of votes. But presidential elections have a backup mechanism instead. If no candidate receives a majority of the total number of electoral votes, the Electoral College becomes deadlocked and can’t choose a winner. The Constitution then requires the House of Representatives to elect a new president and the Senate to elect a new vice president, in what are known as contingent elections.",6,2023-10-25 14:39:14
k6ees5f,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Each state would basically get 1 vote regardless of population, ie. California would get 1 vote even if they have 53 Representatives in the House.

Republicans control more states in the House of Representatives. Therefore, it would be nearly impossible for a Democrat to win even if they won the popular vote and a couple of votes short from the Electoral College.",6,2023-10-25 14:44:22
k6en3xr,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","How is the DNC doing anything like starting a 3rd party candidate? 'The plan consists of running a well-funded third-party candidate in key states, then sending the election to the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, where former President Donald Trump would be virtually certain to win.'",6,2023-10-25 15:36:00
k6ecn2f,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",You told people I lured kids into my gingerbread house!,6,2023-10-25 14:30:43
k6eejf5,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Of course. Ban it in the states but have multiple intraparty votes when there is more than two candidates for speaker,6,2023-10-25 14:42:50
k6ek7hc,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Yeah and Republicans have only won the Presidential popular vote once since 1988. No way they will amend the electoral college out of the Constitution.,6,2023-10-25 15:18:17
k6f8b3w,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","If you vote Democrat then you can influence Democrats. 

This is what primaries are for. 

If enough people tell the Democrats they want ranked choice then ranked choice candidates will be on the ballot. 

It does not matter what the party supports. They will support the positions that get them elected. 

That's the thing about democracy. It's majority rule. Until the majority knows about RCV and actually wants it, it's going to be a non starter. 

Increase the demand and the supply will follow.",6,2023-10-25 17:42:49
k6f2fin,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Yep. We have one of the highest ratios of population / representatives in the developed world. It's 2.5x higher than the next largest and about 7x the average of Europe. https://www.amacad.org/ourcommonpurpose/enlarging-the-house/section/7. If we had a more normal distribution, the GOP advantage in the Electoral College would be significantly blunted.",6,2023-10-25 17:08:04
k6emgk4,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Is Biden bad on environmental issues? Maybe rfk is a little better but Biden seems like he’s doing reasonably good things. Personally I vote for a package overall, not single issues, but that’s just me.",6,2023-10-25 15:32:03
k6ej400,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",">I really hate how many idiots are stupid enough to vote 3rd party when so much is on the line.

I agree, but it's not like they would vote for Biden otherwise. I assume most of them would just stay home then. Look at the few hundreds/thousands that voted for Kanye in 2020.",6,2023-10-25 15:11:26
k6f3b9k,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","""How do you do fellow Gen Zers!""",6,2023-10-25 17:13:23
k6fd05o,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Yes. And?

The candidate that receives the most votes in the general election should be the winner.",6,2023-10-25 18:10:33
k6eezyt,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Count on ALEC to undermine anything that works against plutocracy.,6,2023-10-25 14:45:43
k6ewqhr,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","""After Hilter, our turn""- Ernst Thalmann, German Communist Party leader and noted accelerationist 

He was killed in 1944 on Hitler's order",6,2023-10-25 16:34:08
k6ekwng,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Are there deaccelarationists?  People who want it to get better so that it can get even better?,6,2023-10-25 15:22:35
k6emqsj,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Progressives,6,2023-10-25 15:33:48
k6ez85c,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",Yeah thinking that will happen is what is misguided,6,2023-10-25 16:49:01
k6hgn92,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","""Centrist"" is the biggest lie in U.S. politics.

Half-way to the nut-house is not sanity. 

Any position that does not absolutely condemn today's incredibly corrupt Republican party is extreme right.",5,2023-10-26 02:18:16
k6edaet,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","RFK Jr will sink Trump, West needs to GTFO of the race",5,2023-10-25 14:34:54
k6f9s8k,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","There's an old saying ""Centrists are just Republicans in mixed company""",5,2023-10-25 17:51:29
k6e514k,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","I prefer candidates be challenged to outsmart a tenth grader on live TV before every election. If you run for office, you must be smart and genuine. If you lose to the tenth grader, you are removed from the ballot.",5,2023-10-25 13:39:46
k6ehcv7,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","We're %100 locked in, it's Biden v Trump. Even if we had a competitive dem primary Biden would easily win then go on to the general wounded. Dumping Biden would only help Trump and American fascism",5,2023-10-25 15:00:26
k6folj7,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Yeah centrist is basically another word for ""embarrassed republican"".",5,2023-10-25 19:19:33
k6f5luc,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Also take a look at the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would effectively nullify the electoral college.

It's telling that every single state that has signed on to it is a blue state. Republicans have absolutely no intention of ever getting rid of the electoral college.",5,2023-10-25 17:26:51
k6ekou6,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","there has never been a long term viable third party in us history it has nothing to do with disenfranchising anything

it has to do with third parties do not win elections",5,2023-10-25 15:21:15
k6e5pfj,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",I think there’s a lot of people in that camp and that’s it’s a healthy place to be for the country.,5,2023-10-25 13:44:28
k6eiwym,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",What a despicable pompous sell-out piece of garbage. He know what he is doing,5,2023-10-25 15:10:11
k6e9k18,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","> It doesn't have to be a populist leader though. 

?

>Get a charismatic enough candidate, get enough people in support

What do you think this means? 

>Look at grassroots organizations like OWS and BLM.

You mean the organizations that were demonized by the established media to prevent it from going anywhere? Tea Party and BLM do NOT have a strong national support

>If Trump really started his own party, neither the GOP or Dems would be able to destroy it, and there might even be a few people ending up in congress from it.

Then why don't they? The Republican party House speaker position is currently being held hostage by hardline Trump supporters.",5,2023-10-25 14:10:40
k6eklh4,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Oh, absolutely!",5,2023-10-25 15:20:41
k6fk289,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Isn’t this already a thing? We haven’t reached the threshold yet, but a bunch of states have passed it into law.",5,2023-10-25 18:52:16
k6ei5hf,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Why do republicans hate this nation so much? You’re not patriots. You’re all losers that can’t handle that things change. So cling onto and try and “Conserve” what you know. You’re all cowards, afraid to evolve and move forward.",4,2023-10-25 15:05:27
k6fdxt9,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",We just need to keep the GOP out of power for a little bit longer while it continues to destroy itself. Then we can worry about a 3rd or 4th party.,4,2023-10-25 18:16:10
k6e6ac5,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","The 2-party system is the natural conclusion to the voting system, so until it changes, we're stuck.  
That said, some states are adopting ranked-choice voting so in 20-30 years, we may have viable alternatives.",4,2023-10-25 13:48:32
k6fx5y0,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",">our plan?  simple: we just win electoral votes as a third party candidate, something no one has come close to doing in more than 50 years

morons",4,2023-10-25 20:10:15
k6igypg,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Because they're just Republicans with a Scooby-Doo style rubber mask over their heads - and they would have gotten away with it, too!",4,2023-10-26 08:37:21
k6feg1o,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","It's a fair stance to have but historically the incumbent always has advantage, so giving that advantage up is just mathematically foolish.",4,2023-10-25 18:19:13
k6et2k5,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","""scandal free?""

You're glossing over that tan suit and the fancy mustard!",4,2023-10-25 16:11:57
k6ees6v,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","They enacted it for local stuff in Alaska, I think, and their candidates suddenly got WAY more moderate.  So it can happen.  It's just that intrenched party interests are deeply opposed to it.",4,2023-10-25 14:44:23
k6enqjf,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","Follow the money. Who's funding 'No Labels'? Not Democrats, that's for sure.",4,2023-10-25 15:39:48
k6evtbg,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",you betcha,4,2023-10-25 16:28:30
k6exan6,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","But will GOP go along? They oppose anything that gives voters fairer representation because at the end, making things fair hurts them.",4,2023-10-25 16:37:28
k6eft61,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","The Compact is basically dead. If passed by enough states, it would immediately be bogged down in lawsuits and end up in the SC. It's always been based on a shaky legal interpretation, and the current court will immediately kill it under the ""no interstate compacts"" clause.",4,2023-10-25 14:50:50
k6ecanz,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump",">that is more likely to succeed.

It's a fool's errand. Anything that can be done by simple state level legislation can be undone by simple state level legislation. The interstate compact to do away with the EC requires to cooperation of deep blue and deep red states (because purple states ultimately benefit from the current set up). In the lead up to an election whichever side looks like it will be statistically disadvantaged will dissolve the compact by simple state legislation.",4,2023-10-25 14:28:31
k6epozt,17g32if,"No Labels’ Weird, Anti-Democratic Plot to Hand the 2024 Election to Trump","You used to be able to catch some of those ideas in local GOP candidates, so I understand where he's coming from.

The rot has seeped all the way down though.",4,2023-10-25 15:51:31