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"It Will Be an Election Unlike Any We’ve Lived Through. Are the Democrats Prepared? | Like it or not, 2024 has arrived. We’re in for 11 months of hell. But the outcome is far from preordained.",18wtb9a,4306,"Title: It Will Be an Election Unlike Any We’ve Lived Through. Are the Democrats Prepared? | Like it or not, 2024 has arrived. We’re in for 11 months of hell. But the outcome is far from preordained.

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Nobody's prepared. The Republicans don't even know if their frontrunner's going to be in prison.
Really dreading all the yard signs, billboards, and ads.

Looking at my neighbor's yard daily and shaking my head.
To be fair, republicans don’t know much of anything.
I feel like you’re lucky your neighbors took their shit down. I have two neighbors that have been flying “fuck Biden” and pro trump flags since we moved in back in 2020. 

As a kid, I actually really looked forward to being able to put signs up for the causes I support when I owned a home. I lived in a very conservative area, and I am not conservative but it didn’t feel unsafe to put things up. But now, I’m pretty sure if I was to put up a rainbow flag or a Biden sign someone would set my house on fire or something.
The only thing I know for certain right now is that I'm feeling a lot of something about this year, and that's dread.
There's a lot of head-in-the-sand mentality via people expecting there's no way Trump can win and trying hard to dismiss any bad news/polling regarding Biden. It would be better to take these as a warning and work to reverse them now, even if they never ended up materializing closer to the election. Better safe than sorry.
They know every sq inch of hunter’s cock.
I am fully prepared—to vote for Joe Biden.
I’m hoping for the best but preparing for the worst.
I’m just hoping my rights will be restored, and maybe we can do something about this whole student loan biz.
For your safety and your loved ones safety (if you live with family) I would honestly make that decision to openly fly a flag very carefully. 

These Republicans are openly admitting they want a genocide of left wing Americans and legally acting Americans. 

Myself? I have small children and my area of the nation is headed towards removing children from LGBTQ supportive families because many Christians consider it ""child abuse"". 

We need to understand. 

Fascism is here. And our Christian neighbors who 10 years ago could be trusted, we must understand, that many of the Christians we used to trust, cannot be trusted any more. 

Admitting to a Christian the truth of your situation, could result in your imprisonment, your Deportation, or your death.
Until trump dies, gives up, is barred from running or somehow loses favor, every fucking election is going to be like this.
11 months sounds optimistic. If Trump loses we can fully expect another several months of Jan 6 style rhetoric and violence.
This shouldn’t be a difficult election. It’s the same two candidates from last time except the Republican has spent 4 years whining and the democrat has spent 4 years fixing the problems left by the last guy. If American voters are at all rational this should be a bigger defeat than last time.
What could Trump do to make Republicans leave him? I think that's the real question. Whether he has enough votes to actually win is an important/horrifying question. But the bottom line issue with society is that we are just never going to get better if half the country can be taken in with a demagogue with no real platform other than, ""I will take my vengeance.""
Maybe Joe doesn’t give you those Obama tingles, but voting for Obama wasn’t about saving the nation from an authoritarian lunatic bent on revenge. Perhaps taking an action to save the republic can be just as fulfilling.
This is one of very many reminders to vote, don't sit this one out, we need to stop fascism
We have plenty of flags like that around, but not my neighborhood, thankfully. 

And yeah, I definitely won't be putting up any flags or signs. Don't need a target on my house.
Don jr or vivek or some other clown ass Republican will pick up the mantle...  A known weak spot in democracy got exposed, and it will be weaponized forever.
This. Nothing is set in stone. Criticism should be listened to and not ignored or shamed as wrong/dangerous as it only pushes people further away. 
 
Talk to people. Listen. Get active locally.
He isn’t going to be in prison by then. He will delay the start of every trial he can and then delay the proceedings of every trial as long as he can.",2024-01-02 16:24:50,"dread, fear, sadness, anger, hope, neutral"
Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,18yqkok,11900,"Title: Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot

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Trump attempted to remove Biden as the duly elected President of the United States on Jan 6.   Got his own supporters killed and many hurt. 

That's why Illinois voters are doing what they're doing.
Thank you Illinois voters who respect the Constitution, the rule of law and make efforts to enforce it against this brazen insurrectionist.
So when does the Supreme Court chime in on this? It’s quite apparent that if Colorado stands Trump is gone.
You don't get it! Trump didn't tell anyone to go to the Capitol and start an insurrection, he merely told his supporters to ""stand by and stand ready"" then tweeted ""calling all patriots to DC on January 6th!"" And ""be there, it will be wild!"". He was quite obviously talking about the sub shop down the road that was having a BOGO promotion. Antifa was there too!!!

/S
Hopefully they wait until after the GOP primaries, where Trump will be declared the Republican nominee.  Then, Republicans will have to scramble to inform their base that they should vote for Nimrata Hailey.
 Its this unironically all day on repeat and will be for weeks. That and:


""No one there was armed"": lies, many were

""No one there did it because trump wanted them to"" : lies, there are hundreds of videos of people doing it expressly because of their devotion to trump

""Trump didnt ask anyone to do anything"" : lies, he expressly told them what to do, to march down to the capitol building and 'stop the steal'.

""He said be peaceful"" : once, after saying to fight like hell and other violent rhetoric, after YEARS of violent rhetoric. When his followers started the violence, he waited hours to say anything to make it stop. When he did, he told them how much he loved and approved of them.

This is how fascism operates. Its not about size of government. Its about the plausible deniability of their violent intentions right before striking.
Trump along with “Trumpism (White Christofascism)” won’t go away even when he’s dead. We need some real big changes in education and a real detachment of religion from the state. There’s an infection in this country that goes far beyond one man.
We are doing what we can
Biden didn't cause an insurrection so he is safe. States can try to remove Biden it will not work.

Also we need to stop worrying about what the GOP will do, we have laws for a reason and they need to be enforced.
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At this point, I wouldn't hold my breath until SCOTUS takes action on the subject.
Some random Tandoori Oven Restaurant waitress is about to get elected president, a truly historic moment in US history.
Crazy how the people who won't lift a finger to keep children from being slaughtered in schools because of the 2nd amendment, suddenly think the constitution is open for interpretation.
As an Illinoisan, I approve this message.
Legit question, what happens if you misspell someone's name when writing in? Do secretaries of State have a choice to group votes together? Or will the electoral college just make that choice?

I can see a lot of votes going to Nimarta Hailey whoever they are.
Trump won't be gone until he's dead and gone.
We literally watched all of this on TV as it was happening. I don't get how folks can pretend it didn't happen or rewrite the story of what happened when we watched it happen live. It blows my mind.
YESSSS!!! Another state with balls. LOVE IT!!
He said something about the metal detectors were preventing his attendees to his early Jan 6th rally from bringing weapons. When someone questioned him on it. He said that obviously they are here for me!
It was along the lines of “let them keep their weapons! They’re not here to hurt me!”",2024-01-04 22:51:40,"anger, disgust, surprise, neutral, joy"
GOP Rep. Elise Stefanik won't commit to certifying the 2024 election results,190twj0,3352,"Title: GOP Rep. Elise Stefanik won't commit to certifying the 2024 election results

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Insurrectionist
People like her are the lowest form of scum. Harvard educated and now just PANDERING to her less than educated constitutes, knowing full well how everything actually works. 

Gobble it up NBC
Traitor and insurrectionist.
not eligible to hold office anymore.  If Rump's ballot removal holds up(which I have my doubts), then expect every single GOPer that signed on to that letter in 2020 to also have a lawsuit against them to remove them.  I plan on suing to get my house member off the ballot, because hes a corrupt piece of shit that doesn't give two fucks about us here, but only wins because of a gerrymander.
GOP Rep. Elise Stefanik is crazy and she is in our government. I just watched her plow over the host Kristen Welker with her insane talking points. She says it's Biden who is a threat to our democracy. I was shocked how Welker had no control over correcting her. 

Both sides are not the same. Stefanik called Welker ""typical bias media"" and then ran with her lies. Meet the Press, what are you doing? Donald Trump is running for Dictator. Both sides are NOT THE SAME.
Reporter: Will you commit to certifying the results of the 2024 election?

GOP Rep. Elise Stefanik: That depends on the context.
This. She is flat out manipulating the paranoid and uneducated. She’s framing removing Trump from ballots as a threat to democracy, while omitting WHY he is being removed. She knows what she’s doing.
Goebbel’s went to the nicest schools in Germany. When he felt rejected by his liberal peers he joined up with Hitler and never looked back. You can have the finest education and the smartest mind and still be blind, you just have to lack a soul.
I don’t understand why Kristen Welker didn’t press her further to explain herself on what the context would be. She basically let Stefanik spew endless bullshit while stopping before changing topics to add disclaimers.
Just fantasizing, but imagine what would happen if all the signers of that letter were suddenly prohibited from holding office, and special elections had to be immediately held in every one of their districts? At least a few districts would probably flip. Others would end up being held by the craziest MAGA candidates ever. 

The Republican protests would be wild, and probably violent.
Stefanik isn't crazy. What happened is that she sold her soul for power, and is now paying off the debt in installments.
Vote.  Her.  Out.
Clarence Thomas for example.
Republicans are the only ones that say ""both sides are the same"" and they say it when they are being called out for their bullshit.
Not enough people are talking about what happens IF Biden is elected fairly and GOP states/reps declare that they don't recognize the results and we live in *that* reality for the indefinite time being until they cave, lose, or are prosecuted.

Right now we are saying ""that's cool"" to what members of congress did in 2020.
She should be removed from the ballot, too.
If that's what it is, it's a terrible decision. There needs to be pushback. It's so frustrating watching shows like *Meet the Press* and *Face the Nation* and seeing the hosts let guests like Stefanik spew this bullshit without correcting them or forcing them to defend their false narratives. That's how this bs is allowed to spread and it gives it some level of legitimacy in the minds of some.
Whenever a president has ever talked about fear being the only thing to fear and doing because they're difficult and not because they're easy, this is what it's about.  
If we let MAGA violence dictate policy, then our democracy is over.
Harvard seems to consistently produce a lot the worst people in our society. It's a hedge fund that happens to teach classes.
I don’t know where Steven Miller went to school, but the parallels between him and Goebbel seem pretty stark.",2024-01-07 14:58:01,"anger, disgust, fear, surprise, neutral"
Attorney General Merrick Garland says there should be ‘speedy trial’ of Trump as 2024 election looms,19ap7mi,3885,"Title: Attorney General Merrick Garland says there should be ‘speedy trial’ of Trump as 2024 election looms

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>“What we have to do is show by the acts that we take that we’re following the law, that we’re following the facts,”

This guy is so full of shit:

[FBI resisted opening probe into Trump’s role in Jan. 6 for more than a year.In the DOJ’s investigation of Jan. 6, key Justice officials also quashed an early plan for a task force focused on people in Trump’s orbit](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/06/19/fbi-resisted-opening-probe-into-trumps-role-jan-6-more-than-year/)

[Garland let the statute of limitations expire on the 10 instances of Trump's obstruction of justice listed in the Mueller report](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRYiPzDP94I).

[Ignored Jan 6. cmt criminal referrals of Meadows and Scavino.and hasn't done shit about Eastman,Clark,Giuliani,](https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/03/politics/justice-department-declines-charge-meadows-scavino-january-6/index.html). 

[Is ignoring all the criminal referrals that NYAG Letitia James sent to DOJ regarding Trump's financial crimes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cjqkepQJfg&t=1544s). 

[Ignored the fake electors referrals that Michigan AG Nessel sent to DOJ](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-michigan-elections-electoral-college-criminal-investigations-8a0454f0a28fd3f5903fa3ab962f764b). 

Ignored all the gop politicians involvment in Jan 6 insurrection.
Ok chump . Sat on it for a couple of  years for no good reason
I don’t know what it is, but our government loves forgiving its top office holders when it comes to crimes.
This guy ... 

Mr. hurry it along all of the sudden? Where was the urgency that year you decided to sit on charging the pile of orange flesh?
Wow, it's almost as if the DOJ is asleep at the wheel.
I expect no less from a partisan Attorney General who is a ~~member of~~ major contributor to the Federalist Society. His goals directly conflict with prosecuting Trump.
It's wild, because you'd think after the Republicans denied him a Supreme Court seat, Garland would have some fucking spine to take the fight back to them.

Guess he's just a fucking pussy.
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Garland has to be a strong contender for one of the worst political appointees by a Democrat of the modern era.
So NOW speed is a concern?

Delay and handwringing will become Garland’s legacy. 

Yet another victim of Trump.
I’ve always been mad about this. Him not even getting hearings was a complete miscarriage of justice by McConnell but maybe he wasn’t meant to be SCOTUS after all. The right thing would have been to give him a chance though. Hope we don’t come back down the road to pinpoint that moment as the beginning of the end.
It's depressing as fuck honestly 
The beginning of the end was Nixon and then Ford pardoning him.  Then came along Newt Gingrich and Glitch McConnell.  If anyone needs to be tried for being traitors…
This fucking guy 💀
James Comey is breathing a sigh of relief as he's going to be named after Garland in the list of people in position of power who utterly failed their country.
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I mean, I’d prefer they’d build evidence for an ironclad case than risk sloppiness that could let him go free.
A the while Fed Judge Aileen Cannon says, ""Here, hold my beer"".
I thought Trump was the one constantly asking for delays?
It must be so easy to be so ignorant.",2024-01-19 17:57:33,"anger, disgust, sadness, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger,"
Attorney General Merrick Garland says there should be ‘speedy trial’ of Trump as 2024 election looms,19at8br,8853,"Title: Attorney General Merrick Garland says there should be ‘speedy trial’ of Trump as 2024 election looms

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[FBI resisted opening probe into Trump’s role in Jan. 6 for more than a year.In the DOJ’s investigation of Jan. 6, key Justice officials also quashed an early plan for a task force focused on people in Trump’s orbit](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/06/19/fbi-resisted-opening-probe-into-trumps-role-jan-6-more-than-year/)

[Garland let the statute of limitations expire on the 10 instances of Trump's obstruction of justice listed in the Mueller report](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRYiPzDP94I).

[Ignored Jan 6. cmt criminal referrals of Meadows and Scavino.and hasn't done shit about Eastman,Clark,Giuliani,](https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/03/politics/justice-department-declines-charge-meadows-scavino-january-6/index.html). 

[Is ignoring all the criminal referrals that NYAG Letitia James sent to DOJ regarding Trump's financial crimes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cjqkepQJfg&t=1544s). 

[Ignored the fake electors referrals that Michigan AG Nessel sent to DOJ](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-michigan-elections-electoral-college-criminal-investigations-8a0454f0a28fd3f5903fa3ab962f764b).
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Oh, so you didn't hear us shouting at you in 2021, then.  Thanks for clearing it up, Merrick.
It’s almost as if the system is allergic to real accountability for Presidents, as they do so much of the nation’s dirty work the Congress doesn’t want to do
Look at Merrick Garland’s connections and history and place them next to his actions as OP has laid out so well. Merrick Garland is a GOP plant, he was a terribly bad choice for AG, let alone a supreme court justice, Democrats like Biden and Obama have failed at assessing and measuring the vileness of the GOP and their determination to bring about a fascist USA. The AG pick should have been a Corpo buster and civil rights champion. Merrick Garland is none of those. 

Instead of pussyfooting around appearances of political bias, Biden’s steps should have been decisively protectionist of US democracy. They went for the bipartisan unity bullshit to appease what is now the Republican MAGA party and the entire planet will pay the price.
Trump will want to delay the trial so the verdict is close to the election so he can amp up the political messaging. He needs to go on trial with a verdict before the election.

Of course, if he loses he's still going to go nuts - but he won't have the power like he did before to do things.
Fuck this Federalist Society milquetoast asshole. He sat on his fucking hands for two years. Biden’s worst appointment by far; a consolation prize because he didn’t get on the SCOTUS.
No shit. A speedy trial stopped being an option once 2022 hit. At this point can we just get a trial, in general, for God's sake? Even that is looking increasingly unlikely.
Hopelessly slow Garland.
We need judges to start denying motions that are clearly delay tactics. Stop letting people make a mockery of the judicial system. Trials should be speedy, whether the defendant wants it or not.
Agreed. The ""Bipartisan Unity"" trap is one both Obama fell for and Biden keeps falling for. 

Much like Charlie Brown always trusts Lucy to keep that football in place.
Your last point is crucial. The coup did as well as it did partially because he was actually still in power at the time. While there is still risk of violence and problems, the system now anticipates those problems upfront, which will make it much harder to pull off.

At least, that's the hope.

The big truth is people need to make a voting plan and have backups in place too, and also help everyone they know do it. Ignore polls (good or bad). Just register, vote, and spend time or increasing turnout and persuasion of those on the fence.

And learn to recognize propaganda and ignore it. Tune out the bad actors, even when they say they're on the left, or whatever.
Absolutely. Merrick Garland's only real qualification for the Supreme Court was that Obama thought (wrongly as it turned out) that he was such a mild inoffensive centrist that even the GOP wouldn't object to him, then he got Attorney General as a consolation prize.

I've been saying this all along but the Attorney General should've been Doug Jones. Jones successfully prosecuted the 16th Street Baptist Church bombers, which means he took on the KKK in *Alabama* and **won**. Then he ran for Senate as a Democrat in Alabama and won **again**. (Briefly. It is Alabama after all, we were bound to default back to making the dumbest decisions possible before long. Hence Tommy Tuberville's embarrassingly stupid ass.) Point is, Doug Jones' resume is not the resume of someone who shies away from a difficult fight. He would've torn into Trump immediately, not sat on his hands for a full year before even considering halfassedly starting an investigation.

Garland on the other hand has been telegraphing ""I really don't want to deal with prosecuting a former president because the consequences are scary and people will get mad, can we all just collectively look the other way and forget it all happened"" since Day 1. He couldn't have wanted this fight any less if he'd tried, and he couldn't have made it any clearer if he had tried either. He was absolutely the wrong choice to restore normalcy and the rule of law in the United States after the Trump Administration, and we're all going to pay the price for his spinelessness and Biden's refusal to treat this situation with the seriousness it deserved.
His response was terrifyingly absent. I kept waiting for the news every day that they were going to hold these people accountable and slowly became 2022 and then 2023……
The investigation should have started Jan 21st, 2021.

I hate when people say ""The wheels of justice turn slowly"".

Sure, they do, but you didn't start turning them for nearly two years.
That might be convincing had they been gathering evidence, but Garland didn't do shit until the House Jan 6 committee embarrassed the DoJ into taking action.  They didn't want to appear political.
I truly feel they’re/ have been just waiting for him to die. Like they were banking on the stress of all this topping him off, or, making him so rattled he bottles the election
His reasoning was that this was a big case, arguably the biggest in the nations history. If he got it wrong, and didn’t gather an overwhelming amount of evidence, it would just martyr trump and his cause and make it look like a witch hunt that failed.
This is not true.  Garland doesn't investigate D.C. crimes, that would the the US Attorney of Washington, D.C., who was block by the GOP for the first 10 months of of 2021 and then investigated Trump until they handed the investigation off to Smith (meanwhile they prosecuted over 1000 other Jan 6th criminals).
Not just, presidents. It’s white collar crime. It’s just like the IRS doesn’t have the funds or manpower to go after wealthy tax evaders and the republicans don’t want to give it to them.
Prosecuting the blue collar commoner for the usual is cheap, easy, and routine. A well staffed assembly line.
Prosecuting white collar criminals is hard work, tricky and expensive. And we all know which group the movers and shakers are in.",2024-01-19 20:43:34,"anger, frustration, disappointment, disgust, sadness, neutrality"
Trump is bleeding moderate support. It could cost him the 2024 election.,19dml2v,16223,"Title: Trump is bleeding moderate support. It could cost him the 2024 election.

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The Republican party as a whole is so effing dumb for going along with this trump con job. I hope they dissolve into the abyss. Only problem when things like the Republican party dissolve, they reappear in another form usually worse.
If you support Trump you aren't a moderate. Moderate does not mean average.
I remember thinking after Bush 2, how anybody could go back to the Republican well after decimating a record surplus, getting us involved in the second most disastrous military conflict in our history, and leading to the biggest economic collapse since The Depression.

Issue after issue Republicans routinely prove they’re wrong on everything, but somehow every election 30% of eligible voters go “you know what I bet they’ll get it right this time!”
The secret sauce to their comeback? Racism.
My dad is retired Army and he said something about Obama not wanting to pay for military funerals. 

I had no clue wtf he was talking about. I looked it up, and he was right. Obama did stop paying for military funerals…for one week…because of a government shutdown in 2013. So he was actually wrong and dumb.
When the race becomes about Trump, Biden wins.
>because of a government shutdown in 2013.

...which the GOP instigated, of course.
If you are one the fence about Trump, you aren't a moderate.
Apparently the Republican Party saw what happened in 2020 and then again at the mid terms and went “what a great strategy that was, we had so much success with voters we desperately need like independents, moderates, and undecided voters running absolutely terrible and toxic candidates, let’s run it back!”

Just voluntarily walking over an electoral cliff at this point.
Standard Republican tactic. Cause a problem, blame the Democrats for the problem.
Moderates: Too selfish to care about others, too cowardly to express that view.
I think this is a 100000% accurate statement and its hilarious that Trump doesn’t see it.
Trump is an insurrectionist, he's not qualified to hold office anymore. The word ""unelectable"" comes to mind.

He lost in 2020 after his abysmal presidency and now he's facing 91 felonies across 4 indictments. He hasn't gained any new supporters, in fact hundreds of thousands of them died thanks to his spread of misinformation and handling of the pandemic.

If he somehow makes it to the November election, he's going to lose by even more than he did in 2020.
It's all they have left. They've painted themselves into a corner, distilled the crazy until there's nothing else left.
Person on the Titanic as it sinks: “You guys are suggesting some extreme things, and I can’t decide between the guy trying to get us to safety and the guy demanding we all drown so he can fill lifeboats with food for himself.”
“Government is the problem!”

No, republicans in government are the problem…
Yesteday I made a comment against the far-right which was 

""they just have other priorities, such as racism, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, prenatalism, classism, anti-environmentalism, anti-intellectualism, anti-feminism and a weird gun-fetish. Or they just want to screw with liberals."" 

and then a self proclaimed moderate replied to me saying:

""I don't understand how you could possibly say this with a straight face. This is not simply not true. I consider myself a moderate, and none of those words describe any part of the US""
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I've watched the republican party morph about 4 different times in my lifetime. Until the chuckle fucks who fund these dipshits run out of money; they'll just crank the boogey man rhetoric. It might be awhile.
Break it, complain its broken, block all efforts to fix it, run on broken issue.",2024-01-23 11:44:09,"anger, disgust, sadness, anger, anger, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, sadness, anger, anger, disgust, anger, anger, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust,"
US 2024 Presidential Elections.,19emsf4,2616,"Title: US 2024 Presidential Elections.

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Voting libertarian is not voting for a winner. You are voting for what seems like the next most viable party to get in the presidential debates next election cycle. It’s about voting in favor of changing our voting system, I’m not kidding myself that rfk is going to win
You want Universal healthcare... you can start by stop calling it free healthcare.
I initially called it universal healthcare, however I thought free healthcare was much funnier.
Nobody votes third party expecting they'll win
Trump needs to win so this site finally explodes and is gone forever
I just want 5% so they have to fund a third party and share a debate stage with a third person.
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My President🙏🙏🙏
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Correct. I don’t vote third party to win. I vote third party because the primary two options are always horrible.
I mean, Milei won because people voted for him
Those goalposts will move the instant you get there.
I’d bet that a lot of the people mad at Biden for his stance on Israel are just going to sit out the election.
Which is hilarious considering that to my knowledge, every single American President since the founding of Israel has liked Israel. There's tons of things to criticize Biden for, but being on Israel's side? I don't know man, just seems weird to throw a tantrum for something every other president has done before him.
I really don't want Trump to win but I will be laughing my ass off at the meltdowns that will happen if he does.
Reddit was sooo much better before Trump melted everyone's brains and caused the admins to declare memes were violence. We were actually allowed to have fun here. Now this shit hole site is censored harder than a North Korean..I don't know, something in North Korea.
definitely is funny
Ive been told wed be allowed to hunt certain groups of people if trump is relected???
Our goal was 5% in most states for access to automatic ballot access and access to state campaign resources that are automatically given to the GOP and Dems. 

These 2 things effectively triple the distance that current campaign contributions to the LP go in future elections. 

The road map was for the Pragmatist Caucus of the LP (now defunct following their chairman doing corrupt shit and the Mises Caucus destroying the plan).

1) 5% in a presidential election to secure major party status. 

2) use the funding that gets to secure state rep posistions and contend for National representatives.

3) build momentum from there to show seriousness as a party to contend for actual change. 

The Mises Caucus plan is to use the platform of having a party at all to just advertise Libertarianism in general to people. They have multiple times stopped endorsement for LP members in order to endorse a Republican because they support libertarian ideals on a few things (most would never have won endorsements in the LP due to posistions on borders and abortion and even occasionally guns).
Yeah, Redditors.
The thing is, election systems are very different",2024-01-24 17:56:38,"anger, joy, neutral, disgust, surprise, fear, sadness, joy, neutral, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger, neutral, joy, neutral, joy, anger, joy, neutral, joy, anger, joy,"
Exclusive: Xi promised Biden China wouldn’t interfere in 2024 election,1aeume2,4579,"Title: Exclusive: Xi promised Biden China wouldn’t interfere in 2024 election

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Oh good. He promised.
Hmmm, I seem to recall a Chinese proverb “the mountains are tall and the emperor is far away”.  That is, China then and now is so large and bureaucratic that much can happen “without” the leaders knowledge (or deniability).
Just their Russian friends right?
Bet he didn't even use his pinky. Null and void.
but did he pinky swear?
Russian will also say they won't either, upon request.  Whether that reflects reality would be completely separate subject matter.
I don't really see how this is oniony. Two political leaders met and talked about resolving soft conflicts together, and got mutual assurances of more cooperation. This is how normal geo-politics should work.
If you genuinely don't think both China and Russia have multiple bot farms a piece stoking the flames, I envy your optimism. The truth is they do, they have, and they will continue to. I'm not entirely sure why society just refuses to open its eyes to this fact. Over 47% of internet traffic is bots. The current quality of consumer facing LLMs make shitty random one off comments indistinguishable from human-written ones, and those are just the consumer versions. The toothpaste is out of the tube and the internet hasn't been ""just people talking"" in well over a decade.
I don't understand the skepticism. Sitting this one out is the only reasonable choice.

Its not like he can top the shitshow Americans will create on their own.
Russia is gonna work their ass off to get Trump elected.
Yeah and a lot of people are dumb enough to think somehow this is Biden’s failing, like he should have threatened Xi at gunpoint.
/doubt
And Tokugawa Ieasu said he'd secure the toyotomi dynasty. And Putin said he wouldn't invade Ukraine. And Germany said they had no interest in war. And palpatine said he loves the republic...

We gotta gear up for misinformation and troll chaos this year.
Yes, Russia wants Trump in control. They've made that very, very [clear](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections) already. There were 34 individuals and 3 Russian businesses indicted as a result of the Mueller report. Russia was very much in support of Trump and spent a lot of time and money trying to get him elected.

On another note, Russia also doesn't want Americans to get vaccinated. From 2014-2017, [93%](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6137759/) of anti-vax information shared on Twitter was from Russian bots. Russia has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world but they don't want Americans to be vaccinated. They're waging war against America by weaponizing our stupidity.
He did, but he also had his fingers crossed behind his back. No takebacksies!
They’re not cheating the election, they’re sending false info / propaganda to support Trump
Bet he kept his fingers crossed behind his back.
>i dont want to be vaccinated, am i russian now?

No, you're just an idiot who believes Russian lies about vaccines.

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>i also don't use twitter, i dont even have an account

The Russian bots aren't only on Twitter. They're on all social media.

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> and you're using wikipedia as a source, that's nice

Wikipedia is just an easy link to where all evidence is gathered. The source material is all provided. You have heard of a bibliography, right?
Not just China and Russia, you’re out of your mind if you think the US isn’t running bot farms to sway public perception in other countries as well. I’d be surprised if we’re not leading the pack in that regard.

I’d go as far to say that all the major powers do this to some extent. How much they work together on it, i’ll leave that to the conspiracy theorists.
>i did my own research about vaccines

You can barely form a coherent thought, yet you think you're smart enough to ""research"" vaccines and their efficacy 😂",2024-01-30 17:55:32,"anger, skepticism, disbelief, frustration, neutrality, contempt, envy, surprise"
What If Lawless GOP Lawmakers in the House Refuse to Certify the 2024 Election?,1ahe6cm,4290,"Title: What If Lawless GOP Lawmakers in the House Refuse to Certify the 2024 Election?

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Then Biden won’t leave the WH. Major constitutional crisis.
No. The House speaker (as of 2025-01-20) succeeds Biden.

If Dems retake the House, Hakeem Jeffries would become the 47th President of the United States.
so vote blue for the house/senate??  got it.
So insurrection and we 14th amendment them.
If dems take the house in the fall, it won’t matter.
As opposed to apathy stopping you from voting at all, red was never a viable choice
As opposed to normally?
They impeached trump immediately. On 1/21/21. Remember? The repubs said it was a legal issue, not a political one. Now they say it’s a political issue, not a legal
One. 


You can’t blame Democrats on this. It’s all repubs.  All the way down. 

Nice try, though.
That doesn't really solve the problem though, which is why Dems should have taken a swift and strict approach post January 6th that held all lawmakers accountable instead of, y'know, waiting a year to investigate and then essentially giving republican members of Congress immunity during the investigations. This tolerance of their intolerance and lawlessness is guaranteed to be the end of us. Dems need to take a stand. It would have been easier to do it immediately following the coup. Much harder now. 
I would hope there are enough who still respect our country to vote with Democrats (if Joe Biden wins) and do the right thing
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Apathy is how we got into this situation. Vote every time you can.
And we need to keep that up for the next 20 years until we've stomped out MAGA. Every election could be our last.
And we take our own guided tour of the capital
This. Make it irrefutable. Everyone make sure your registration information is up to date and bring a friend to the polls. https://www.vote.org
If Jeffries was the Speaker, Republicans could not stop the certification since they would be in the minority.
Daily reminder that we had record turnout in 2020 and over performed in the house and senate races.
Wasn't there an update to the Electoral Count Act that made it substantially more difficult to raise objections?
If Jeffries is interim POTUS, the republicans will be crawling over each other to address the ever living fuck out of the issue.
Republicans have refused to argue in good faith for over a decade.  If you're still taking them at their word, this isn't a sign of moral high ground, this is a sign of a learning disability.  


Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 5115 times and maybe I'm just a fool.",2024-02-02 21:02:35,"anger, fear, disgust, sadness, neutral"
Joe Biden Lists Why a Second Trump Presidency Would Be a ‘Nightmare’ - Biden told voters at a speech in Nevada that the 2024 presidential election was shaping up to be a “battle for the soul of our nation.”,1ajey92,15965,"Title: Joe Biden Lists Why a Second Trump Presidency Would Be a ‘Nightmare’ - Biden told voters at a speech in Nevada that the 2024 presidential election was shaping up to be a “battle for the soul of our nation.”

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He's not wrong. I can't imagine voting for anyone who is outright stating that they will be a dictator, even if it IS for one day (spoiler alert: it'll be more than 1 day).
I mean it looks like Republicans want a sick fuck to lead the nation... and they are pretty proud of that.
Project 2025 would introduce authoritarian rule to all of government.  The USA would be over.
I wish I could find the video again, but I ran into a video on YouTube shorts where a guy just shouted obscenities as a board meeting calling people fat, ugly, and stupid. The comments were ""imagine if this guy were President, all the problems would be fixed."" The guy literally said nothing on how to change anything or make anything better at all. It was just insults.

Somehow in their heads they've connected effective with asshole.
Every election since Obama has been.
Electing Bush was a pretty gigantic hit to the 'soul of our' nation in it's own right, and he shouldn't have even been president. The fucking Supreme Court has been fucking us for decades, idiotic institution
I won’t be dictator tomorrow. Promise. What? Today is not tomorrow.
Bold of you to think that there would be elections in 2028 if Trump wins.
its insane to me.  everyday i feel like I'm living in a nightmare when i read the news.  How is this actually real?
They like the trope of ""he's a jackass but he gets stuff done"" popularized by shows like House and Sherlock so much that they not only mistook it for reality but also confused the causation.

Being a jackass who gets stuff done is shitty in the real world, because 90% of the time your genius isn't worth how much of a dick you are - even if you *are* effective and not just an asshole, there are other people who are just as good and don't suck to work with.
hate + fear - critical thinking skills = maga cult
The executive isn’t even the biggest concern: it’s the assault on the judiciary that is our real long term risk. Once the courts are corrupt, the people have no protection against bad law.
From the article:  

""Trump campaign spokesperson Steven Cheung said Biden “has been a nightmare for this country in just three short years in the White House, and no amount of gaslighting will make Americans forget about all the misery and destruction he has brought.”""

Was there a follow up question from the author asking to name 5 examples of Biden's nightmare?

I can't imagine any nightmare worse than the leader of the government ignoring COVID, enacting tax cuts that turned into steep tax increases in the next term, tanking the economy, having raging unemployment and ignoring our longtime allies in favor of Russia, China and North Korea.
What amazes me is the fact so many actually want former President Trump back in office.

Then I remember we are the same Country that fought a war to keep people as slaves. 

So here we are...
The outright sanctioning of torture really shook me.  I thought Bush would be the worst president we could ever have, but I was proven wrong
Republicans would accept Trump as a literal Emperor if it meant they won. That's literally all they care about in their little chimp brains. Winning.
IDK it would be a true test of our elections in 2028.  Technically Trump wouldn't be allowed to run again, but you know he would go for it again.
Authoritarians tend to use pretend elections to lend a sense of legitimacy to their rule. I don't think they'd be gone, but republicans have been skewing elections with gerrymandering and silent voter unregistration for years. I think that behavior would be kicked up to an 11.
There shouldn't be any battle with trump. He should have been put in prison by now for stealing nuclear secrets and other classified documents, or 1/6 and calling for the second civil war. He should be barred from our elections for disrupting the peaceful transition of power. The fact that he's allowed to run and ruin the nation at all is a great example of how worthless and pathetic our system is and the amount of loopholes for the rich and powerful to slip through exist.
I am going to vote for Biden; but, if Trump is truly this much of a threat it’s fucking crazy that a declining 81 year old is the best option the Democratic Party has to put forward.",2024-02-05 12:06:13,"anger, fear, disgust, sadness, neutral"
Jon Stewart Says ‘Daily Show’ Return Was Prompted by Wanting to Have a “Place to Unload Thoughts” Ahead of 2024 Election,1ap38zi,5773,"Title: Jon Stewart Says ‘Daily Show’ Return Was Prompted by Wanting to Have a “Place to Unload Thoughts” Ahead of 2024 Election

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Stewart:

>“I very much wanted to have some place to unload thoughts as we get into this election season,” Stewart said, then referring to The Problem With Jon Stewart not moving forward with a third season on the streamer. “I thought I was going to do it over at — they call it Apple TV+. It’s a television enclave, very small. It’s like living in Malibu. They decided, they felt that they didn’t want me to say things that might get me in trouble.”

>“I don’t know about hoping to have an influence, but I’m hoping to have a catharsis and a way to comment on things and a way to express them that hopefully people will enjoy. But as far as influence, and you guys know from doing this, just about everything I had wanted to happen over the 16 years that I was at The Daily Show did not happen, if you were hoping for influence. And I think I’ve learned that post-Daily Show … I don’t really view it as ‘I really want to have an influence on this issue, this election,’ things like that.”
While I think Jon Stewart somewhat underestimates just how influential he actually was, it’s also very obviously true that the political and media landscapes have not moved in the direction he so clearly hoped they would.

At his height, I think he was always pretty clear-eyed about the state of things, but you can pretty visibly track his disillusionment with the ability to change the *direction* of things over the course of his run and what he did after.
I feel like he's re-entering the ring with the best of intentions, but in actual practice we're just going to watch him die inside.
And then he loses his show on Apple because they wouldn't let him say anything about China and AI.
My problem with Last Week Tonight is that I'm already exhausted from all the widely publicized problems in the world and then he comes along and dumps an entirely new, lesser-known and equally terrible problem into my brain.  It's not that I don't care, it's that I don't have the mental bandwidth.

I still watch it but sometimes I'll jet after a few minutes if it starts to depress me.  I enjoy the random rabbit holes he'll get into like this recent one with Chuck E. Cheese.
He has affected positive change for the 9/11 community. I think that fortifies him a lot.
It was also incredibly boring. I’m curious, but have a feeling him returning to the Daily Show might reveal that he was a good fit for the time he was popular and hasn’t quite kept up with what works today.
Keep on F’ing that chicken Jon.
Are we pretending that every semi political late night host wasn't already doing this? Kimmel, Colbert, Meyers, Oliver, Bee, Noah all couldn't get it done combined but Stewart would've single handedly set the record straight?

All it would've resulted in is more content. It would not have moved the needle in this country at all.
I wouldn't call his his show on Apple boring, but more of depressing. It dealt a lot of heavy handed problems but no real point rather than addressing the problem. Last Week Tonight did a much better job on that format. Stewart is at his best in satire.
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I highly, highly doubt that. He's only entering this arena with the largest of fortitudes. We are talking about a guy who quite literally had to shame Congress into providing money to 9/11 heroes dying of early cancer. Go watch him talk about it, not just the speeches he did, but the behind the scenes when he talks about the Herculean effort required to get that bill passed.

No, no, if he was dead inside he wouldn't come back. Not after that.
Paramount+ the next day
Does anyone know where to stream it?
I'm guessing delivery.

People want those bite sized tick tock reels BS and Stewart is an orator who prefers to deep dive.

Its also why I think Last Week Tonight isn't as big as it used to be, IMO.
And even more recently, he shamed enough Republicans who had quickly switched their votes to ""no"" to block the passage of the Pact Act, which among other things provides assistance to veterans who developed illnesses due to their exposure to toxic burn pits, including Beau Biden, who died from brain cancer that was almost assuredly caused by his own exposure to those pits.
I think part of the problem is that people are hoping for another devastating Crossfire moment where Jon Stewart just totally obliterates some right wing scumbag, but times a thousand. They want him to issue an oratory burn so brutal and so final that it takes down the right wing entirely. And that's not possible. If he could have done it, he would have done it 20 years ago. I mean, I think a lot of people were hoping Tucker Carlson's career was over after that one Crossfire episode in 2005, but the douchebag had a fox news show for years and was just fawning over Putin last week.

I wonder if some of the frustration we hear from Jon Stewart stems from the fact that it's not that easy, it was never going to be that easy. And yet people seem to think that one day the right combination of words will come out of Jon Stewart's mouth and the right wing will truly be destroyed forever.
I think the turning point was his Rally to Restore Sanity, when he truly took a huge step out of his comic circle into a political/activist one, only to watch as the Tea Party took massive gains in the ensuing election. Can't help but think that really jaded his confidence to the state of things and whether or not what he was doing was actually getting normal, sane people out to vote, or just creating a liberal circlejerk.
Yeah, all the hosts, except Conan were talking about Trump 24/7. At some point it looked like they have the same writers, because the jokes were so similar. And you coul see how they lost their mind the day Trump won
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Jon Stewart Says ‘Daily Show’ Return Was Prompted by Wanting to Have a “Place to Unload Thoughts” Ahead of 2024 Election,1ap3ftg,4905,"Title: Jon Stewart Says ‘Daily Show’ Return Was Prompted by Wanting to Have a “Place to Unload Thoughts” Ahead of 2024 Election

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I am so glad they allowed him to come back and take reins. This is a tumultuous time in our country. We need a LOUD outspoken figure saying exactly how fucked the right is. I love this, literally when the nation needed him most.
This headline makes me feel like a dirty thought dumpster.
>I am so glad they allowed him to come back and take reins.

Allowed? They probably *begged* for him to come back. Comedy Central is not in a good spot in general and Jon is as popular and beloved as he ever was. Heck, since he left he might be even MORE respected because the void he left behind is so obvious, despite John Oliver doing a great job at HBO.

Honestly, my go-to for that kind of political content in the last few years has been on Youtube more and more. Notably *Some More News*, which I think has the right ratio of in-depth analysis and humor. 

Weekly shows is a good format, and I am glad Jon will take part in that schedule.
Jon Stewart: one of the few to successfully put Tucker Carlson in his place on air
You dirty, dirty thought whore.
No, because I think it would break him or at the very least make him very unhappy. He is where he belongs.
Love that he crawled out from Steven Colbert's desk draped in Arby's wrappers last week. Bet Arby's is stoked that Jon is coming back.
To be fair Tucky Tum Tums would only debate college students after Stewart humiliated him. If you are an unserious college freshman he'll invite you on his show to debate him.
I am 100% an indoctrinated millennial that grew up watching Jon Stewart after school. While I fully admit that he shaped many of my political views, he also shaped my curiosity and my nuance and my sense of humor. I am glad he’s returning.
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It really really looks like Hassan Minhaj was tapped to be the new host before the ""exaggerated hate crimes"" scandal broke, because they'd been pushing back their return further and further with no permanent host announced.


I have no doubt that comedy central execs are *extremely* grateful that Jons apple cancellation lines up so perfects as to allow him to return to the daily show. It is the absolute best case scenario for a show that really appeared to be in a tail spin. 
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I only wish he was there in 2016
Don’t forget to like, comment and subscribe on his YouTube video when it posts. Reinforce the behavior
>It really really looks like Hassan Minhaj was tapped to be the new host

I think so too, plus I think he would have been good, but he dug his own grave, twice actually when he doubled down.

>I have no doubt that comedy central execs are extremely grateful that Jons apple cancellation lines up so perfects as to allow him to return to the daily show.

Lines up so perfectly *at the start of an election year*, which is setting up to be the most controversial and divisive American election of all time. We need Jon more than ever.
Aw man I’m gonna miss that running gag of him living under Stephen’s desk
Yeah because he doesn’t want the power or responsibility, which ironically makes him a great candidate.
He never owed us anything, and he left when he just wasn’t feeling inspired anymore, and it coincided perfectly with him wanting and needing to spend time with his family and young kids in their most formative years. Honestly I think I would’ve thought less of him if, knowing all that, he chose to stay instead of taking that time he needed for himself. 

But he’s back now, and as an executive producer, and in an election cycle that kind of a repeat of 2016, except in a world where fuckface had already won once and things are shittier than ever. It’s gonna be great.
[Some new behind the scenes footage was just released ](https://streamable.com/hmrcx6)
He can unload on me anytime",2024-02-12 16:05:53,"joy, anger, surprise, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy,"
"Russia’s 2024 election interference has already begun: Moscow is spreading disinformation about Joe Biden and other Democrats to lessen U.S. military aid to Ukraine and U.S. support for NATO, former U.S. officials and cyber experts say",1b0hhnm,21770,"Title: Russia’s 2024 election interference has already begun: Moscow is spreading disinformation about Joe Biden and other Democrats to lessen U.S. military aid to Ukraine and U.S. support for NATO, former U.S. officials and cyber experts say

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Already? It's constant and ongoing. If Russia isn't busy steering a presidential election they're taking part in midterms and elsewhere steering legislation in their favor and otherwise just sowing the seeds of discontent to divide public opinion unnecessarily
And I feel it is our duty as part of NATO to help USA with handling the fake shit coming out of Russia.       

The USA's election is very important for NATO safety, and since Putin is interfering, why shouldn't we?      

Edit: woo this got upvoted nicely!          

Here's some of my suggestions for what should be done:         

Let's keep it morally correct and not as an interference with the election. However, we must flag all YouTube, TikTok, Facebook, etc videos we can find that tout either hate speech or false information. **Don't false flag!** False flags will backfire, so don't! That's very important!      

Also there's a lot of bots out there with propaganda who are not really going to do much if it gets taken down.        

Facebook and similar needs vigilance to help people from getting tricked by fake information. Do this with some manners, as nobody wants to listen to a know-it-all, and we don't have the luxury of playing into our fantasy of feeling smarter than someone. Be nice when approaching people who are on the fence.    

Also, think about the people who don't have all the info, like minorities for example in low income areas.     

Most important, keep an eye out for AI generated content. It can be a thorn in everyone's side. If we are lucky it'll be completely discredited due to how much people end up making it.        

And please, inform yourself about how the far right uses tactics in debates. You probably will face some of it, and it'll serve you well to know how it works.
They didn’t seem to do too well in the 2022 midterms. but yeah, if Vladimir Putin is actively promoting your candidate, you might wanna ask if your candidate is the bad guy.
It's been a constant in Canada as well, and will only increase with the coming election.  You can see it on Reddit as well.  In Canada it comes from Russia, China, and India.
American here, yes please
2016. They’ve been at this for a very long time.  

https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/texit-forces-welcomed-russian-separatist-conference/
Don't be surprised when we learn that Moscow urged Hamas(through Iran) to attack Israel on 10/07.
For the past decade I've been saying the same words, ""Russia is clearly and blatantly pushing foreign propaganda and Murdoch is allied with them."" And I've gotten scoffed and yelled at nearly every time. Only in the past few years does it seem like a portion of this site agrees, and the rest considers the *possibility* that Putin is *maybe* thinking of spreading misinformation.

It's unbelievable. I've felt like I've been taking crazy pills with how strongly people deny the thing that Russia brags about doing.

People will believe that Trump is Putin's stooge, mainly because he's so stupid that he just outright talks about sucking Putin's dick whenever it's brought up. But they downplay it, maybe he's just a foolish asset, maybe he just admires a dictator. People will see report after report of Russian money going straight into American pockets, and then just shrug and say maybe they were tricked. It's insanity. It's right there, the obvious reality that Russia has been flooding the country with foreign propaganda and many news sites are happy to help. 

It's American exceptionalism, I think. The idea that the US couldn't possibly in any way ever be affected by foreign entities. I think it's so much stronger than people have ever realized.
> most of my co-workers over here thinks there's no way Trump loses 2024

Do they really? I drive by ""former Trump country"" about twice a month and I see far, far less Trump signs than I did 4 years ago. 

Trump has simply pissed off too many of his own party and potential swing voters. Sure he has his fanatics who love him cause he ""owns the libs""... but he couldn't win last time and Trump's only alienated even more people in the meantime. All his various legal troubles aren't helping him with women voters either.
Please, can you disconnet russia from the internet, thank you! The rest of the world.
The danger I see most here is in the most critically important voting demographic: today’s young people. We absolutely need them to engage and vote, but the number of them that take everything they hear on TikTok at face value, from simple trends to historical misrepresentations to completely fabricate news stories… social media is a dangerous place for the developing mind.

Note: I am not making a sweeping generation that every youth is a zombie and incapable of critical free thinking, but rather pointing out a volatile space in which this disinformation could do some real damage.
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""I've felt like I've been taking crazy pills with how strongly people deny the thing that Russia brags about doing.""

""It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.""

Mark Twain


And God wasn't he fucking right.
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No, it matters A LOT. Because only one party is blocking aid to Ukraine.
It's been constant on Reddit also. FTR: Hamas = Iran = Russia
Funny I just saw a post about one of the Canadian party leaders, something about their past history catching up with them and now they might loose their political job over it. Coming from an account who had Russian language all over the profile.

I hope people aren't seeing that and falling for it.
Most magas are unreachable. You're better trying to get more rational people to vote for Biden.
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I will not be surprised at all. I have been expecting to see some links since the day it happened. The war in Gaza is the best thing that has happened for Russia since the start of the latest Ukraine invasion. And the war was initiated by a planned attacked by one of Russia's proxy's proxy. I'd like to know which Hamas influencers slid away to a new mansion in someplace like Qatar shortly after 10/07.",2024-02-26 13:27:36,"anger, fear, disgust, sadness"
What is the deal with holding no presidential debates for the 2024 election?,1b2jfh5,5549,"Title: What is the deal with holding no presidential debates for the 2024 election?

Body: How can they get away with holding no presidential debates for the general election this year? Why would they opt out of doing so? Do they not feel beholden to the American people?

[https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/presidential-debates-2024-make-difference/story?id=106767559](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/presidential-debates-2024-make-difference/story?id=106767559)

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Answer:

In 1987, the two main U.S. political parties established the Committee for Presidential Debates to ensure voters would have a chance in each presidential election cycle to hear candidates' views, plans, and platforms in a moderated, ideally-fair way.

In the 2016 and 2020 presidential races, Donald Trump repeatedly responded to debate criticism by claiming that moderators and critical pundits were biased against him and the GOP. As he gradually took hold of the party, other Republicans in support of him echoed these claims of bias and unfairness.

In April 2022, the Republican National Committee (RNC) [unanimously voted](https://npr.org/2022/04/14/1092916451/republicans-say-theyre-quitting-the-biased-commission-on-presidential-debates) to leave the CPD, twice calling the Commission ""biased"" in a two-sentence statement. In doing so, they required that Republican candidates could only appear in committee-sanctioned [primary and general election debates](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-party-withdraws-us-commission-presidential-debates-2022-04-14/).

During the lead-up to the 2024 Republican primaries, Trump did not participate in any debates, and the RNC [stopped sanctioning debates](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/08/rnc-officially-bows-out-of-hosting-primary-debates-for-now-00130857) in December 2023.

Since the RNC has withdrawn from the CPD and has shown no indications they will sanction a debate between (almost certain nominee) Trump and Biden, there is no guarantee the two will debate. The ABC article linked in the main post quotes Trump as saying that ""even if it was organized by [the CPD], I would do as many debates as they want"" -- whether his nonparticipation in the primary debates affects the veracity of that statement I will leave to the decision of the reader -- and quotes Biden's campaign manager as making a noncommittal statement.

But the reason it's not guaranteed to happen is because of the RNC's withdrawal from the CPD in 2022. A general debate could happen but the RNC would have to sanction it.

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Answer: debates between candidates used to be a pro forma nod to the idea that oratory in an assembly is an effective way to arrive at an understanding of the spectrum of ideas, and an opportunity for an individual to make a case for a position so that listeners can make decisions.


They've devolved to the point that the candidates are given almost no time at all to present a position, and they use the debate as an opportunity to heckle and dig at each other. At times they seem more like a multi-way celebrity roast than a debate. When they're not doing that, very often they're finding ways to address questions other than what was asked, because they know their position is unpopular.


Trump has upended the tradition, as he has so many others, because he won't even adhere to the basic form. He interrupts, talks over, and lambastes the other candidate(s). Or doesn't show up at all.


So at this point each candidate weighs whether participating is likely to help or harm their campaign,. Knowing the news media talking heads will immediately pronounce ""winners"" and ""losers"" of the debate based on who got in the best zingers means candidates are vulnerable. More and more, it makes sense to skip it.
Thanks for taking the time on that one!
>More and more, it makes sense to skip it.

Esp. when it's two candidates who have both served as president. It's pretty clear what we're getting this time around.
I'd love to see them [""empty chair"" a debate.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_chair_debating) Just have Biden at one podium answering questions then cut to the podium where Trump should be standing. 

I honestly don't think Trump's ego could stand to be made fun of like that.
This reply saddens me, because it is very useful to people...because it contains the same information included in the article, which it seems that neither OP nor most of the commenters took the time to read.

Good answer. Sad that it's necessary for some reason.
Answer: donald tump gets embarrassed and loses his shit when confronted with the easiest of pushback to his bullshit so he does not want to do them anymore.

Did you notice how he skipped all of the republican primary debates?
Looked it up as I was unaware (appreciate your letting me know) -- the woman who sent Clinton debate questions was not the moderator, but was a CNN (who hosted that debate) contributor and later became head of the DNC (but resigned just before the '16 election when her tipping off Clinton was leaked). And as you said, that was a DNC primary, not a national debate; while that might affect 2016, that doesn't play into 2020.
I feel like if OP just read the article they themselves posted they would get the same info.
That was a DNC run debate, not CPD.
Honestly, most website news articles are almost impossible to read with the amount of popups and spam and consent forms so I would always choose this format.
Clint Eastwood tried that at the Republican convention, better in theory than in practice.
Answer: We aren't even in the general election season yet, debates between GOP and Dem candidates typically begin in September. OP's article is just speculation. 

However, Trump has refused to debate in the GOP primary election race this contest either. He currently has the GOP on lock, participating in a debate (party or against the Democratic candidate) will only bring to light his progressing dementia, lack of actual substance in his plans and policies, and general inability to communicate when it's not to a crowd of adoring sycophants. Debating for the primaries or general will only hurt his electability.
There is no ""objective"" under fascism. You're either with them or against them.
Or hell, bring on candidates from third parties. If the RNC wants to fade from obscurity, let a more sensible platform take the limelight.
Especially since the dementia has clearly advanced. Dude can barely throw together a half-coherent rant anymore, can you imagine him debating with any somewhat competent politician or public figure?
But I'm shocked Trump doesn't want to show up by himself just so he can ramble about how much of a cowardly loser his opponent is. Seems like free publicity.
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>the woman who sent Clinton debate questions was not the moderator, but was a CNN (who hosted that debate) contributor and later became head of the DNC

She was also the sitting DNC Vice Chair at the time she did that.  It was really terrible optics, as it got her fired from CNN and promoted at the DNC
As soon as one shows up, the other would be obligated, even if it means changing their answer. If they both skip, no one has to deal with any of it. 

Game theory advises to skip, even if the other party skips first.",2024-02-28 22:23:33,"anger, sadness, disgust, surprise, neutral"
Arizona Sen. Kyrsten Sinema will not seek re-election in 2024,1b7e164,8394,"Title: Arizona Sen. Kyrsten Sinema will not seek re-election in 2024

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Good riddance to a straight up liar and deceiver of her constituents
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Between her and Manchin, I definitely loathe her more. Manchin is a true believer in his weird 1980's conserva-Dem bullshit, and I can semi respect that. But Sinema is a chameleon, she's whatever she needs to be at the moment.
Expected, she doesn't want to get embarrassed as an incumbent, by getting crushed by 20 points.

Good riddance, she can now go be a lobbyist or something, good news for Gallego though.
Sinema realized she was setting back bisexual women by perpetuating the notion that they only exist to facilitate three-way elections.
Avoiding a 3-way race is extremely good news.
She will undoubtedly turn into a Fox News commentator who they bill as a ""Democrat"" but is eagerly willing to parrot right-wing talking points. Then write a book called ""Sinematic: One Woman's Quest to Fix Washington"" that's full of completely made up nonsense about how she is a true progressive fighting for the people against corporate run Government.
Manchin can also point to the coal industry in West Virginia and at least say he's working for someone, plus he's been honest about that since day one.  Sinema?  She didn't even seem to be working for her own self interest and definitely didn't seem to represent any clear constituent groups.
Biggest donation regret of my life. Absolutely two-faced opportunist. Fade into obscurity, you narcisstic liar.
I think she wanted to be ""maverick-y"" like John McCain, but his last act of defiance against his own party was to save the ACA, not to sink a minimum wage hike.
This is HUGE! With her off the ballot completely, Arizona is wide open for Democrats!

Come help turn the state deep blue at /r/voteDEM. There are tons of opportunities to pitch in this election all over the country.
> Sinematic: One Woman's Quest to Fix Washington

That book title made me physically ill
I like the fact that McCain became a ""maverick"" by being the only decent person in the party.
That scenario only works with Moms For Liberty.
“After running on values and ideas that I completely abandoned while serving in the senate, I retire today to a cash pile and opportunities to further exploit our voters”
As someone who was a college student in AZ in 2018 and active with the local Dems, I put time, money, and blood (the door hangers she bought during GOTV kept on giving everyone papercuts) into getting her elected statewide. 

Took her class my last semester of undergrad on the intersection of social work and the legal system, which ran on a curriculum staunchly more left-leaning than her US House voting record. Recall having to write an essay on how mass-transit underfunding disproportionately impacts communities of color who rely on it over motor vehicles, leading to more missed court dates and fines, sucking them into a cycle of incarceration. Her syllabus really strongly insinuated to us we should pirate the book she used for the course instead of buy it from the store.

When I voted for her in that primary over Abboud I expected her to be who Kelly has become. After taking that class in Spring 2019 I thought she might have even moved to the left of where she was in the US House, now that she didn't have to run for election every 2 years. Nope, the complete opposite.

The nerd in me is a bit bummed we won't get data on how precincts would vote in a competitive 3-way general election in Arizona, the voter in me is happy she's not even going to bother to try.
He became a ""maverick"" by only voting the party line 93% of the time.  Definitely a RINO.
This should help Biden in Arizona as well.
When she curtsied after voting down 15 dollar federal min wage I couldn't stand her. What a terrible human being.
Sinema's term has been truly breathtaking in its open corruption.  She completely shut the door on the people who got her elected and set about enriching herself.",2024-03-05 19:26:13,"anger, disgust, disappointment, surprise, sadness, neutral"
Young voters helped elect Biden in 2020. His campaign is courting them again in 2024,1bc2jps,1962,"Title: Young voters helped elect Biden in 2020. His campaign is courting them again in 2024

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call me crazy, but one guy is trying to protect your healthcare and women's bodily autonomy...

the other guy is calling you **vermin**. Literally.

*not a difficult choice.*
Sure. But voting for Biden wasn’t a motivating factor for most of us. The alternative was (and is) terrifying.

Say whatever you want about Joe. If trump is the person on the other side of the ballot, I’d walk barefoot over hot coals to vote for a literal Biden-shaped sock puppet.
I can't fathom how anyone, but especially women and anyone of color, can support trump. He and his kind have been very vocal about not liking you as well as taking away your rights. They aren't your friends, and just because they claim to be christians that means that you're willing to look past everything else? What on earth will it take for them to lose your support?


Young people of America, this is YOUR future you're voting on. Trump winning will ruin your future and the planets, and this may be the last election you vote in. Do not make this a protest vote, and do not hand the election to trump. We're depending on you.
Joe has been outstanding, It's republicans owning the house still and the corrupt SCOTUS that hold us back. If Democrats could get ahold of all 3 house senate and supreme court things would go a little smoother as opposed to the far right cult with zero policies.

He may be old but he far exceeded my expectations.
yea but trump is draining the swamp and cant be bought.  


(an actual argument i heard at a bar)
That was a common argument in 16 too

""Trumps a wealthy business man he won't be able to be bought!"" Turns out thst was a lie on multiple levels
They choose instead to vote for no one. Not understanding that failing to vote in US elections (or voting third party as long as we have FPTP voting) is a vote for the least liked candidate of the two real options. 
He really has done an amazing job with a pathetic congress. He's got my vote again. Easiest vote I'll ever make because all metrics say he'll continue being awesome.
>[Youth activist groups jointly endorse Biden. They say his achievements matter more than his age](https://apnews.com/article/biden-youth-activists-joint-endorsement-reelection-age-15ea5b67e05f2dc6c41ba7f48cfccdcd)  
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>Jack Lobel is a college sophomore who will be voting in his first presidential election this fall, casting a ballot for Joe Biden. At 19, he’s six-plus decades Biden’s junior, which isn’t lost on him. But Lobel is spokesperson for Voters of Tomorrow, one of 15 youth organizations that announced Monday that they are jointly endorsing the reelection of the oldest president in U.S. history — defying polls consistently showing voter concerns about the 81-year-old Biden’s age.  
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>Joining Voters of Tomorrow formally supporting Biden is NextGen PAC, Planned Parenthood Action Fund, Blue Future, Jr. Newtown Action Alliance, Path to Progress, Students Demand Action, Team ENOUGH, Voices of Gen-Z and Dream for America. They are doing so with more traditional, party-aligned youth organizations, the Young Democrats of America, College Democrats of America, Democratic Youth Coalition, Grassroots Dems HQ and High School Democrats of America.
That's so odd and self-defeating for teachers to do that. For instance, my wife is on the school board here, and while yes, the President does not have anything to do with pay structures, him calling for higher teacher pay is a huge win for all teachers. Dismissing that as a teacher, seems like the last thing they would do. But you are a very honest person, so I don't know what to believe.
My uncle calls this the ""hold my breath till I get what I want"" vote, named after his 4yo grandson.  Trump seems like he is going to get a lot of help from young voters who won't vote because of something they think Biden did, while also not realizing that Trump would be massively worse.  And that they didn't like that Biden did, Trump is going to do much much more of.  


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My dad keeps sending me clips of Biden interviews saying “I have no doubt he can be president for another 4 years”


Thanks dad. I was really undecided until you sent me that clip, and was totally going to vote for that other guy with 91 felony counts, tried to inspire a coup, and is actively saying he will be a dictator if elected.
Again, this sounds like a very childish and unrealistic thought process. I know a lot of teachers and none of them are like this. You're describing how politics and campaigns work and have worked for decades and acting as if its some kind of news and an outrage. Vote for the person/party that's going to help you most, and for all teachers, everywhere, that is Biden and Democrats, the end. And any teacher that blames anyone other than Republicans for student debt not being ended (under 20k), then they are stupid.
What young people need to understand is that if Trump get into office again that it is certain that Alito, Thomas will resign and be replaced by a couple of forty something far-right judges who will be on the court for another 30 to 40 years. So if you’re 20 years old that means that you’ll be in your fifties or sixties before there’s even a chance of a liberal majority again and that would seem pretty doubtful given what Trump and the Republicans are likely to do to the constitution in general. 

You are not just voting for the next 4 years. You are voting for the next 40 years. Get off your backside and vote against minority rule and far-right tyranny.
Unless you want US troops in Gaza, him setting up ports to bring in aid and pushing a ceasefire is about the most he can do (and no, cutting of funding to Israel won't stop it, they'll just wait for Trump to win before changing plans b/c of who is in power) because Israel and Hamas BOTH need to agree on a ceasefire.  And it's not a ban, it's changing ownership.
I fucking hope so.  I see anything political posted in the GenZ subreddit and the comment sections really make me worry.
Like Mark Cuban, I’m voting for Biden even if he’s being read his last rites on his death bed over Trump.
At least your dad doesn't have Fox News brain rot and is sending you those kinds of clips.
At a time when Hesbollah was poised to make a move.  

The US still only provides 15% of the Isreali defense budget, that’s not a ton of leverage to use against the Isrealis.
I think I found what Biden was talking about. 

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Within the American Rescrue Plan/COVID-19 Stimulus Package, there was a section and funding available called the ""Elementary and Secondary School Emergency Relief."" This funding's purpose is to help districts with staffing, recruitment, and retention of teachers. 

As written on the [U.S. Department of Education](https://www.ed.gov/raisethebar/educators) site.",2024-03-11 12:57:12,"anger, fear, joy, neutral"
Russian elections 2024,1bfgmm8,48723,"Title: Russian elections 2024

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Home girl pouring ink on the ballots in that one shot?
Do Russians believe Putin when he claims they have fair elections?
I doubt it. I'd say even Putin supporters know what's happening, they just go along with it because it's their guy. I would guess most people in the middle just don't want to talk about it because they know there's nothing they can do without putting themselves and their family at risk.
Yes.
Not only that, but according to the last news, we have more candidates for the record of the “ruin the most ballots in a single action” category: some woman in Moscow set a voting booth on fire, the some other individual used movolov in Saint Petersburg, a lot of election booths are burning actually and for the latest news, even a member of electoral commission used the ink which really shows the true love for putin from his fellow citizens
kudos to the Russian citizens who are fighting this mockery of an election.
1. Vlad Put  
2. Vladimir P  
3. V Putin
Civil disobedience at its finest. I'm proud of them but also worried for them. :-(
Nice. True mvp
World leaders are already congratulating Putin on his landslide election victory as a fuck you to his rigged election.
This is the thing that people dont realise. There is literally nothing Putin could do if everyone just said fuck this shit and started burning everything to the ground.

Once the fears gone hes totally powerless.

Edit: i havent got time to reply to people anymore, i appreciate discussion of this magnitude i really do and everyones opinion is equal, unlike in Russia where its a man child with an ego problem with the opinion.

Fingers crossed and good luck Russia im rooting for you, ive got a few friends from Russia and they were the most fun guys to work with on site.
It's like the old Soviet joke:

A man goes to prison. A fellow inmate asks him:

""How long are you in for?""

""I got 10 years."" replies the man.

""What did you do?""

""Nothing.""

""Nothing? You're full of shit.""

""Why?""

""For nothing they only give you 5 years.""
It's also ""interesting as fuck"" that you can be sentenced to up to 5 years in prison for doing this. Absolutely mental.
4. Schladimir Schutin (Putin in a Mrs. Doubtfire wig)
As a Russian I can say that, yea we have 3 choices 

Putin

Putin

Putin
Why are they even pretending
propaganda is pretty strong in russia
The girl is 20 years old, she was detained. Independent news channel said that she would, most probably, get 5 years in prison as her sentence for “disrupting of voting”.
All I can say is that I’m SO glad I’m not Russian.  Fake elections suck.  I don’t think I’d be brave enough to protest Putin if I lived there… but thank goodness, I live in the USA- where I can say whatever I want.  Putin is a Bully and a fraud.  He is also mortal.  It is only a matter of time before he is judged.  I will cheer his fall with a smile.
Putin still estimated to win in a clean sweep with 136% of the vote with only 0% of the ballots counted.",2024-03-15 15:28:09,"anger, fear, disgust, sadness, neutral, joy"
Russian Election 2024,1bg2w8u,6083,"Title: Russian Election 2024

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**The comic was based off a repurposed Soviet joke:**
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**Commissar:** *""Comrade! Do you love the Soviet Union?""*

**Worker:** *""Yes, of course comrade!""*

**Commissar:** *""How much do you love your Motherland?""*

**Worker:** *""Same as you do comrade!""*

**Commissar:** *""You are under arrest for subversion and treason!""*
Commisar doesent like the soviet union, so if he doesent like it, and you believe what he believes, you dont like the soviet union.
I wonder who will win the Russian election, do you think it will be Putin or Vladimir or Vladimir Putin or  Putin Vladimir or Vlad…
I'm voting for Vladimir Poutine, maybe with a Canadian in charge Russia will stop being so overtly aggressive.
i still don't get it lmao
I heard from a rumor that Putin has conspired Putin to hire Putin to assassinate Putin while in Putin’s home after Putin wins the election so that Putin can seize power from Putin, making Putin Putin’s successor.
He doesn't like the country, but he does like his job!
Oh man, he’s gonna have difficulty challenging their French counterpart, Vladimir Putain.
His job is *so much fun*
Mommyland :DDD
If that’s remotely true, then I am secretly a North Korean agent trying to bring down the West by posting comics on a specific subreddit with sexual innuendos.
I think it’s The commissar hates the Soviet Union, so the worker is admitting to hating the Soviet Union, which is treason
Don't count out his northern Ohioan counterpart, Vladimir Put-in-Bay quite yet
I immediately thought of the Putin replacement conspiracy theory and this makes it more funny
The person who is arresting hates the USSR.
Or his massively alcoholic Irish cousin, Vladimir Poitín
Mommyland made me chuckle
[Putin Learns Putin Behind Plot To Assassinate Putin](https://youtu.be/vm1U5E44W90)
Yes, correctly.
Took a look at his post history, and it this individual is interesting. They're a Russo-Ukranian who can (possibly) speak Polish. They're also rather fascinated with the Ethiopian-Eritrean conflict. On top of that, multiple comments of theirs seem to slander Ukraine or other ""imperialistic"" nations, as contradicting as it may seem. So I wouldn't say that this is bait, more so their unique opinion, which can be seen as heavily flawed. Take this information with a grain of salt, especially as some speculations could be wrong.",2024-03-16 10:16:21,"surprise, joy, neutral, disgust, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy"
Trump Bloodbath: Trump Warns 'Bloodbath' If Biden Wins 2024 Election: Another January 6 Coming?,1bgjcab,2208,"Title: Trump Bloodbath: Trump Warns 'Bloodbath' If Biden Wins 2024 Election: Another January 6 Coming?

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Trump's threat is an attempt to intimidate those on the fence to vote for him or face a violent end to the election.
Yeah he'll lose and the idoits will try something dumb.
If they were to try and pull this shit again, the guard and DC police would be ready for Meal Team Six, and their insurrectionist buddies.
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30 years ago I studied in the US for four years, it was an amazing experience. I always dreamed of going back on vacation to show my kids where I lived and studied those fours years but I don’t want to go to the US anymore. It has become a country I don’t recognize at all and it just doesn’t seem safe to go. Sad times 😞
And fail right out the gate...again.

Thankfully
Those of us here living through this feel the same. I don’t recognize the US anymore. Half of this country cheers for a madman who wants to be hitler.
If the DOJ isn't going to do their job the Republicans can have the mob justice they want. Let's see how that goes for the traitors in our government.
I think alot of the people who would follow another insurrection noticed how the government has already tried and locked up alot of the previous insurectionists.....and Donnie didn't do shit to help them
I just really feel like those on the fence would then vote against him because of this. I know if I was on the fence I would be PISSED hearing this
Then, by definition, they are NOT doing their jobs. In any real country anybody involved with Jan 6 would be in prison. Instead, they are in government or running to be. The country is a joke and a fraud being led around by christofascist frauds
He is desperate to win and this just goes to show how unsuitable he is to be president.
Let’s hope it’s his blood
Does this read like extortion to anyone else? 

""Nice country you got here. Be a shame if anything happened to it.""

Just me?
This mother fucker is a traitor to USA
Lock him up.
The violence will be more wide spread than just DC when he loses.
Agreed, we are a nation of laws. WTF is going on.
Trump's a career criminal extortionist, it's all he knows.
Some people are actually cowards. It's not necessary their fault, but they'll respond to this, so we need to beat up the bully to show people it's not okay to use these tactics.",2024-03-16 23:34:43,"anger, fear, sadness, disgust, neutral"
"Preliminary voting results in 2024 russian ""elections""",1bh6b6j,32516,"Title: Preliminary voting results in 2024 russian ""elections""

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Why not 187.86% ? )))
kim jong un has got some competition
People show psychological bias when generating random numbers and tend toward certain digits & patterns, in part personal preferences and misconceptions about randomness. Manifestations of the randomness bias include:

- Digit Preference: Favoring numbers like 7 or 3 as more random
- Repetition Avoidance: Believing true randomness must exclude repeat numbers or patterns (this a quick way to spot tax fraud)
- Clustering Illusion: Seeing non-existent patterns in random data, like a concentration of numbers in the seventies and eighties (*cough, cough*)
Well, colour me surprised. What a shocking result that nobody saw coming! /s
If you believe that your job is useless, think about the analysts that have to gather and study the poll results of Russian elections
holy hell, new totally fair elections just dropped
Isn't 87% a little bit too much? Maybe he should've gone easier on fake votes and all type of shit
They also didn't want to give Putin the exact number of 88.
Ah yes, my beloved democratic country of Russia /s
Am Russian

Hoping for belarus scenario cuz there's no way this 87% contains at least half of real votes
>!Mild Shock!<
You mean 146%?
Very secret. Not even the voters get to know what's in that envelope.
these numbers add up to 98,45% for anyone to lazy to do the maths
- If those numbers are fake, it shows that there is no real democracy and opposition in Russia

- If those numbers are real, it shows even more that there is no real democracy and opposition in Russia
I mean if the last 2 years didnt get enough Russians on the streets a faked elections sure as hell wont. But I hope that I am wrong.
actual dictator
He did Nazi that coming!
Honestly, I think the true numbers are still gathered. Because, even if they contain fake ballots and Putin is the only real candidate, they are the closest thing they have to a true opinion of the Russian people. Especially since this time (from what I have seen) the votes are secret / in an envelope.
Oh damn, this comment is actually brutal af.",2024-03-17 19:33:18,"surprise, joy, anger, disgust, neutral, sadness, fear, disgust, surprise, neutral, anger, surprise, neutral, sadness, neutral, surprise, anger, neutral, neutral, neutral, anger, surprise, neutral, neutral, neutral"
"If Trump loses the 2024 election, what will happen?",1bhq7xv,171,"Title: If Trump loses the 2024 election, what will happen?

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If he isn’t dead? My money is he tries to run in 2028 and stands a good shot at winning the primary. His base doesn’t care about facts so why wouldn’t he keep lying?

He will keep running until he’s broke or dead
Most likely outcome for him if he loses is prison.  His entire ""get out of jail"" strategy requires he is elected POTUS and can make the cases against him disappear.

Without that, he's kinda guilty as sin and it'd be pretty difficult to convince a DC jury that his well documented attempt to defraud the US wasn't an attempt to defraud the US.
Ideally, things precede as they should, the same as most US elections. Biden wins, we move forward. Realistically, I don’t expect trump to just move on. His back’s against a wall and it’s getting to an almost all or nothing situation for him. If he doesn’t win, I could definitely see him pressuring the Republican Party into going with the states vote plan that was shared a few months ago. Basically, the party makes a lot of noise about how it looks like there were voting irregularities. In the house, the speaker doesn’t accept the electoral votes from those states to be counted. Because of that, no one is able to reach 270. The election is then handed to the states, which each get one vote. 26 will vote for trump, 24 for Biden. Even if Biden swept trump on Election Day, it wouldn’t matter.
He’ll run from in jail and win the primary too. They don’t care.
Your forgot the jail option, He'll run until he's broke, dead, or in jail.
Rich people generally aren't *charged* with crimes. Helps them stay out of prison.  They also tend to hire competent counsel and *usually* listen to them. 

Trump is a terrible client in a jurisdiction and courtroom with no reason to do him any favors. If he loses the election there's not a lot to protect him, and I don't think he'll be attempting to bribe Chutkan.

Hell, if he loses, I'm not even sure Aileen will be willing to do him that many favors anymore. It's not like Biden is gonna give her a supreme court nomination.
That's...not how it works. The new Congress has to meet in order to elect a new speaker, but they are de facto members before that. After the speaker's election is held, the new members are sworn in. *That* speaker could, in theory, choose not to seat members, but the old speaker has no power over that.
If he loses, we must all swear to never bring him up again. I am so fucking tired of his stupid fat mouth. Toss his ass into obscurity.
That assumes a Republican speaker, which seems highly unlikely.
How any red-blooded American is ok with this kind of thing is beyond me.
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I agree that his cult followers wouldn't care, but it takes money to run a national campaign, and a lot of in-person stuff, neither of which he'll have access to from jail. He's going to bankrupt the GOP this year, there won't be anything left for campaigns.
I believe the plan said that johnston wouldn’t swear in a few democrats (citing voting irregularities) to guarantee a republican majority in the house, force a speaker vote (republicans would then win), then force the state vote, which would vote trump 26, Biden 24.
He’ll probably throw a fit and say some stupid things, if the democrats gets lucky, he even implicates himself in the eyes of the law during one of these fits. If not, then it’s another four years of the Republicans being yes men to whatever Trump says. At least assuming that they don’t get a new rising figure to overthrow his influence.
Realistically, the two outcomes for him are that he becomes president in 2024 or dies in prison/whatever prison is for an ex president.
Rich people almost never go to jail. No way he spends a night in jail.
When I see stuff like this, it reminds me of the pipe dreams some generals had from WW2. ""Well if the enemy doesn't have anyone on these roads, I can march straight to Berlin by Christmas!"" 

Completely ignoring the fact that there's an opposition and they're likely going to be unhappy and actively trying to do whatever they can to stop you.

You have at least three or four perfect ""winning the lotto"" moments for something like what the OP suggested, to happen. I mean sure its possible. But its up there with the same odds of him keeling over of a heart attack in the same week as Biden. (Adams and Jefferson 2.0?)
Red-blooded American patriots are not ok with it. The side that isn’t just ok with but actually wants this, they usurp and pervert everything we value. They take what we are proud of and make a mockery of it, then after a few generations people like me who believe in the rule of law and democracy grow up thinking that the flag, or the word patriot belongs to those that know the meaning of neither.
House arrest seems like the only option I just can't see them putting a former President (even for a POS like Trump) in prison, or even in  rich person prison
Trump gets pissy, J6 II fails miserably because there will actually be guards at the Capitol.",2024-03-18 13:03:57,"anger, fear, disgust, neutral"
"Are you aware of Project 2025, the plan to install Christian Nationalism should Trump win the 2024 election?",1brfzzq,9629,"Title: Are you aware of Project 2025, the plan to install Christian Nationalism should Trump win the 2024 election?

Body: The best thing about the prior Trump administration was their incompetence. Project 2025 aims to correct that problem via drastic measures.   


Besides voting, how can we stop this?

If we can't stop it, how do we survive this?

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Project 2025 isn’t completely dependent on the orange one winning the presidential election. They are all the way down the ballot. You need to make sure read up on EVERYONE on your ballot. From city council to school board members.
I think most people at this point are aware of it, the problem is a lot of people want it. As long as the Republican backers of it are in power, voting is our only option. 

Good news is that Republicans are getting hammered in elections. Bad news is that makes for complacent Democrats who don't feel the need to vote anymore.
I’ve said many times that we are extremely lucky that the first serious attempt to destroy America and install a dictatorship was carried out by some of the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet. But Putin was following it carefully; next time they’ll be better organized and more dangerous.
Yep even if Trump loses this plan isn't going away. Maybe not until the Republicans (Now MAGAts) suffer so many electoral losses over several cycles that the party dissolves. This just means people need to vote in EVERY election and vote against every Republican.  The democratic party will absorb the normal/""RINO Republicans who will end up branching off into a new political party. 
If by “following” you mean “orchestrating” then yes.

Trump has been [Putin’s bitch](https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/) since the early 90s.
Yeah, but most haven't actually *read* it - guaranteed.  It sounds a whole lot better than it is.  Once people start learning more details of what's actually in that thing and what it's actually going to take to implement it - most people will be flipping out......
They want Christian Sharia laws ... because their religion is so fucking fragile that they can't allow other religions (and non-believers) to coexist. 

It's out in the open now, so the only option is for every competent, eligible voter to ensure it can't happen by voting their lying, racist, sexist, misogynistic supporters out of office.
Kind of like all the people in England who voted for Brexit today are like, why don't we get good trading deals with the EU.
My hope is the party as a whole ends up so depleted from paying Trump's legal bills that they get routed at every level and only the most entrenched incumbents are left. Never thought I'd miss the establishment Republicans, but here I am.
We need to vote blue long enough so the idiots who want Project 2025 die out. 

They will never stop. They have given too much to ever stop. We must encourage people to vote blue like their lives depend on it for a very long time. 

Project 2025 is the result of 50 years of Republican work to destroy the middle class and make sure women do not have any rights.
When Chris Christie is the voice of reason you know we are in trouble.
Here's what I have observed. I live in rural Indiana. From what I can tell, so many people in my situation as a working stiff live paycheck to paycheck and barely pay attention to the deeper layers of the current political situation.  I know because I used to be one of those people. 

 They vaguely know the highlights because they saw a few headlines in-between looking up recipes or memes or posting photos. And because our current political climate is even more polarized than ever before (except maybe civil war era?) they are even more inclined to NOT discuss politics for fear of a fight breaking out. 

The ones that DO pay attention have gone down rabbit holes and picked up conspiracy theories from Facebook or Joe Rogan. Most of the people I've met who are more left had always been interested in civics and government and are usually college educated, so have an understanding of how to find credible sources for their information.

The problem is there is SO much information to digest and so many things to constantly fact check and verify or research.  It seriously is a full time job trying to keep up and stay informed, especially if you just recently started taking it seriously.  Most people are exhausted from work and kids and they don't want to spend their tiny bit of leisure time reading articles debunking other articles about something complicated that they don't even understand why it is important.  They honestly just kinda want to be told who to vote for, if they even vote at all. 

That's what I have been dealing with. None of my coworkers or family or my friends (unless I told them) know about project 2025.  And that is a major problem! Or, like you said, they DO know about it.. and like it!! Which is very scary.
Of course.
That's why religion should be taken down a couple of pegs to give normal people some reprieve.
Non-religionists are way too forgiving. If someone threatens the removal of hard-won civil liberties in the name of religion there should be a fight back, exposing their hatred to people who aren't typically engaged.

I don't 'respect' any religion, I *acknowledge* it. It's there, I think it's bull shit and I am not going to pay lip service to placate the hard-of-thinking.

This is the 21st century - religion should be attacked for its crippling effect on Humanity when the minority start looking to shape policy for the majority.
*Awake, arise or be for ever fall’n.*

- John Milton, *Paradise Lost*
Putin totally controlled him but nobody can call Putin a genius...

Always remember it was Hitler's 2nd attempt when he did the damage..  


Don't forget there were geniuses behind Trump...Mercer being one.  
Read up on Mercer , and your skin will crawl.
…and Scotland, Wales, and NI. The English “leavers” weren’t the only morons that fucked the UK over.
Just a reminder this plan does not go away if we win this year. we need to keep right wingers and republicans out of office. Check your registration, get an ID , learn where your poling station is, learn who is running in down ballot races. Pay attention to primaries not just for the president but for all races, local, state and federal. From the school board to the White House every election matters. The more support we give the democrats from all levels of government the more they can get good things done. We vote out republicans and primary out uncooperative democrats.

Last year democrat victories in Virginia and Pennsylvania and others across the nation have increased the chances of democrats winning this year. This year's elections are important but so will next year's elections.

[https://ballotpedia.org/Elections\_calendar](https://ballotpedia.org/Elections_calendar)
Unfortunately, I can promise you most haven’t even attempted to read project 2025. I work for a fairly large, unionized company, and while I am not union, I am an advocate. I get asked questions on the daily regarding contract issues that are basic page 1-5 solves. The people I work with are not inept, they are people I respect and love to work with. They just won’t read it, despite the major impacts it literally has on their jobs/lives.
Yes. Pretty much *The Handmaid's Tale* for the US, all climate change initiatives completely scrapped, the ending of American support for Ukraine, and the likely emboldening of China to take Taiwan (to name just a few consequences).",2024-03-30 11:48:51,"anger, fear, disgust, sadness"
"If This Trump Warning on 2024 Doesn’t Scare You, You’re Sleepwalking | Donald Trump is warning that 2024 could be America’s “last election.”",1bus6m0,4347,"Title: If This Trump Warning on 2024 Doesn’t Scare You, You’re Sleepwalking | Donald Trump is warning that 2024 could be America’s “last election.”

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Such naked projection by Trump to accuse Biden of being a threat to democracy.
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They always project with what they themselves do or will do.
He is warning that it will be America’s last election of Joe Biden wins, which means it will be the last election if he wins.
2 tiered justice system friend. Glad you’re awake now. Federal judges are walking us into a crisis with the way they are treating him. Why should I follow this country’s law if these people can get away with whatever they want?
One minute Joe Biden is a clueless and senile old man that doesn't know where he is, and the next minute he's some sort of brilliant criminal mastermind powerful enough to do something that hasn't happened in the entire history of America and cancel democracy and elections and become a dictator for life.
r/Defeat_Project_2025
Why would Joe Biden even be allowing an election THIS time if that was the case? 

How are Trump supporters this fucking stupid? Like are we just forgetting that January 6th exists?
Practically? Because *you* can't get away with it.


Strategically? Because chaos helps the forces who benefit most from injustice in the system. That is why they foment it.
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But Gaza….. there are a lot of people that are good to screw us over in this country for something that’s happening miles and mjles away. 
The one issue voters are going to repeat the 2016 elections circus again.
If you spot it, you got it.
I'm sure he'd love that to be the case if he wins.
If his coup succeeded in 2020 we wouldn’t be having this one.
Fascism 101
He isn’t “warning” - he’s announcing it.
The enemy is weak, but also strong.
My opinion of him is so far below zero already, what he does is no longer important, he is a pile of shit and will always be.
Drumph might be the most transparent moron we’ve seen. The world outside of his cult can see straight through him.
Very well said, it is your second point that the majority of folks unfortunately miss.  The dysfunction is the goal",2024-04-03 13:09:04,"anger, disgust, fear, surprise"
Updated: 2024 Election Cheat Sheet,1bux8vr,2776,"Title: Updated: 2024 Election Cheat Sheet

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You forgot to mention Joe ate ice cream.
Thats quite generous for Trump
I think he had an affair while Melania was pregnant, but then after Barron was born was when he cheated on his mistress to sleep with the porn star. 🤷🏻‍♂️

And now he sells bibles 🙄
He’s also friends with a black guy who wore a tan suit once. If you can let that slide that’s on you, but not in my book
Forgot Best friends with Jeff Epstein
true, he did just win the trump cup golf tournament
Don’t forget guy on right is Russian asset
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So does Trump, Biden at least nominally shows sympathy for Palestinians.
You have to add ""severe cognitive decline"" on the right.
Mocks the disabled and doesn’t think they should be in public, going as far as saying “no one wants to see that” about an amputee veteran at a veterans event whom he had removed
There's also more on the Trump side, but this is just a meme that you are taking too seriously.
bOtH sIdEs!
He also has a stutter
I tell people all the time that I think history will look back on Biden’s first term and objectively view it as one of the most consequential of the modern presidential era and they seem surprised. 

Biden has accomplished some very impressive things with a split government including the largest investment in our country’s infrastructure in decades and the largest ever action on climate change by the US. Those two things alone will propel the US forward for the next 30 years (assuming it’s not undone) and they aren’t even the only things he has accomplished. 

I get he/things aren’t perfect. The situation in Israel/Palestine is horrible. Inflation is still a major problem for a lot of people. The situation at the border, while absolutely over exaggerated by the right, does deserve more attention than he has given it. To me, that is valid criticism. But, overall, no president has ever batted 1,000 during their presidency and I am pretty happy with what Biden has achieved.
A black guy? Was he one of the good ones like my one black friend?
Not the right, Biden has a stutter and is showing signs of normal aging. The way trump is forgetting who is president, slurring his words and making up nonsense words when he can't remember common words is very concerning.
You forgot the most important Trump crime... Falsifying a national weather service announcement by trying to change the path of a hurricane with a sharpie, which is in fact a felony and he did it live on TV. Of all of his crimes,I don't know that he intentionally brought the press into the room to record his felony in real time.
Not even, this one was born in Kenya and is a Muslim! And trust me, you don’t even want to know what his middle name is
Also he incited an erection",2024-04-03 16:37:57,"disgust, anger, surprise, neutral, joy, sadness, fear"
MMW: Republicans are about to suffer record election losses in 2024,1c3jjbi,1249,"Title: MMW: Republicans are about to suffer record election losses in 2024

Body: The party literally stands for nothing except worshipping a bankrupt conman. Now they’ve turned all their money over to him.

Their draconian abortion laws will be their undoing. But also the fact they’re at each other’s throats constantly and are a disordered party.

Dems will still have to show up in massive numbers because of Rethug election fraud and tampering, as well as our stupid slave-holding era relic Electoral College. But vast amounts of Americans are beyond sick of unserious, do-nothing, big mouth Rethug shit heads.

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I wish that was something that I felt confident about, but I don't. We all have to vote, it's so important that Trump doesn't win. I can't even imagine how much worse he'd be without having to worry about future elections.
And honestly its not enough for Trump to not win. The election needs to be a historic defeat up and down the ticket. We need a Blue Wave in the House, Senate Gubernatorial and state and local elections. Maga needs to be so thoroughly defeated everywhere its clear it can never win again, and I don't think that's going to happen.
We need to push the narrative of ""vote in numbers too large to be manipulated"".
Really funny watching dementia donny try to walk back his abortion ban this week, he knows he fucked up bad with that but his ego won’t let him admit it
If this was the 1800s they all be hung for treason
Hanged. They act like little bitches because they are decidedly not hung.
It doesn’t matter because any loss and Trump will say that it was rigged. If there is a massive blue wave and Biden won like Reagan in 84, Trump would just say something along the lines of ‘how can someone who you never see people wearing shirts or hats for win so bigly? We have the best mechandise sales, 50 times what sleepy joe sell”, and if he loses by a little it will be “they only had to stuff 20,000 votes. Thats not a lot of votes, I can count to 20,000. I can count to 20,000 in like 4 minutes, watch, 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 12, 18, 360, 20,000. See it’s that easy to steal”

What Democrats need is to win down ballot votes, en masse. They need to take back not only federal positions, but also state ones. People need to repudiate Trump/MAGA fully and swiftly.
But...but, I was pandering to this group of people I secretly despise, now this whole other group I openly despise is upset? So unfair!
If we all vote trump doesn’t stand a chance.
If Trump is still alive in 2028, I'll eat my hat. Man doesn't even look like he's going to make it to November. I worked professionally around geriatric people. He's a stroke/coronary just waiting to happen. He's getting bloated (I'm not talking about his fat, his skin looks off), if he's not on a diuretic, he should be before he strokes out. I've passed tons of meds, I'm morbidly curious about what his medication regimen is.
It can be the most resounding victory in US history. That clown and his circus would still be screaming from the sidelines. We are never getting rid of these fucking people.
He won't be out of the equation he'll be on the sidelines screaming about another stolen election.
Yea, and if it's not a crushing defeat, we're going to keep dealing with Maga in the house and senate and state governments.
Although I hope you're correct, I think you underestimate the cult following, and the big money following Trump. The cultists aren't going to be deprogrammed any time soon (if ever) and the moneyed interests don't care.
Totally agree 💯%! But for every person throwing down criticism and their political points, they better vote to support it and keep this orange asshole out of office. We're at a strange point in time where I feel that democracy as we know it could devolve into some strange theocratic authoritarian dictatorship. It's not a far fetched thought. The hard right have literally published something called project 2025 that would essentially give all power to the executive branch and spiral down to a more draconian controlled government. I don't want my kids having to deal with that or missing out on what could be. Vote Blue in 2024 and keep our country!!!
Idk. The fact that ~30% of America is still polling for him after everything, and I don't see any other shifts online or otherwise (anecdotally), we could be totally fucked.
Sadly it's the ugly on the inside that makes her unfit.
Yeah I think that would be hoping for far too much. It may be a toss-up as to the president, and even the house and Senate. But crushing defeat across the board seems pretty unlikely
Bobert and Cruz have a great chance of losing!!! I'm more sick and tired of Margie Taylor Greene this ugly troll needs to go
And he will just immediately announce he’s running for 2028 once he loses this is my bet",2024-04-14 03:04:45,"anger, disgust, fear, sadness, neutral"
Trump Says He Has Enough Votes to “Cancel” 2024 Presidential Election,1c3yycd,5535,"Title: Trump Says He Has Enough Votes to “Cancel” 2024 Presidential Election

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If Trump wants us to just keep Biden on for another term, I’m fine with that. 
So we just default to President Biden? Works for me. Please proceed you criminal POS.
Chump's desperation is palpable.  It must suck to go through life as such a miserable person.  Earned every bit of it.
I'm not sure that's how it'll work. 

It's funny though that he was telling voters in a speech a few months ago they can stay home they don't need to vote. I figured that meant he had something up his sleeve to try and steal this election. This confirms it.
I'm not. I'm already pissed at MAGA Republicans for robbing the US of a third straight presidential election in which policies and issues are discussed. Trump isn't even eligible to run for office and yet the other two branches are allowing it. If checks and balances are dead then it really is up to the people to bury Donald Trump's political career for good.
Imagine living with a mind like his, it's gotta be torture. Raging insecurity, lies, not a fiber of truth in his body, every living second dedicated to overcompensating.... holy shit.
> Just as he did in 2020, Trump has claimed without evidence that there will be “cheating” in the 2024 presidential race.

“Without evidence”?  My dude, that was a statement of intent.
The way he can’t keep his mouth shut about anything because he’s like a little kid with a secret, his handlers have obviously discussed with him an attempt to have the election voided and thrown to the House to call, whilst expecting to keep those details under wraps until it’s time.  Unfortunately for everyone Two Scoops will let the cat out of the bag way too early and blab about what he expects to happen, so at least there will be a little time to use that against him.
He really has no understanding of how anything works.
Its a miracle stress isn't killing him. Maybe an inability to feel guilt shields him from the bulk of it. 
""Here's what he really meant...""
r/conservative where you at to defend this dumb pos?
*Default? The two sweetest words in the English language!*
I'll never get over this. People sit there like ""what are the democrats supposed to do.""

Presidential Lincoln Roosevelt Shit that's what. Declare some Shit. Do FUCKING Anything. 

We invade a country and kill over half a million people on provable lies and we can't even get this guy in a courtroom? Fuck off America. Game over.
Nah. He took his shot on Jan 6 and fucked it up. Thankfully he cheaped out on his coup like he does with everything else. What we are seeing now is end stage narcissism. He's been fucking around his whole life and is finding out probably for the first time. 

He's saying he's going to win because if he doesn't he's screwed. He's believing his own lies at this point.
Well not being told No and forced to face the unmitigated consequences of hia actions most of the time has lwft him feeling as if he applies enough Toddler Tantrum energy and threats that he can get away with anything.
This is how he won that golf tournament isn't it. Surely even his supporters aren't stupid enough to buy this... Surely.
“Checks and balances” means absolutely nothing when most of the checks are balanced to a single side!
“Biden something something dark side…”
He could shit directly into their mouths and tell them it's chocolate ice cream and they'd just eat it up. Their stupidity knows no bounds.",2024-04-14 17:29:02,"anger, disgust, sadness, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust,"
Lara Trump vows RNC will 'physically handle the ballots' in 2024 presidential election,1cbxggf,3729,"Title: Lara Trump vows RNC will 'physically handle the ballots' in 2024 presidential election

Body: Oh no she won’t. Cheating is the only way Orange Top ever wins. He won’t get away with stealing another election. He’s going down in orange flames.

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It’s truly astonishing that one family can produce that many stupid people. I can just imagine their thanksgiving dinner. All the riveting conversations mixed with a healthy dose of sucking up to daddy and a touch of sexual abuse. It would be like being in a high security wing of a mental institution with slightly more expensive furnishings. 
Dumb, dumber, and then Trumper…
Didn't she marry in? So it's more like shit attracting flies.
The GQP has just admitted it’s going to rig the election AGAIN
I had a dog once, who insisted on pissing and shitting inside the house. No matter what. That dog would look like a graduate of Science Academy for Exceptionally Gifted if put in one room with the Trump family. 
Lara Trump vows RNC will 'commit fraud' in 2024 presidential election
Yep she did. Another one is Kimberley Guilfoyle. Real genius that one. 
What is wrong with her face? Is it bad plastic surgery?
Lara Trump’s face looked very different when she was modeling for “lad magazines” before she married Eric. I think she and Kimberly Guilfoyle get a family discount from whichever plastic surgeon they patronize.
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*""So there was a moratorium for about 40 years on the RNC actually training people to work in these polling locations,"" she said, referring to a* [*consent decree running from 1982 to 2018*](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/court-cases/dnc-v-rnc-consent-decree) *limiting Republican poll watcher activity after a series of illegal attempts to challenge voter eligibility in Black and Latino neighborhoods in New Jersey.*

SO - they were **banned** from handling ballots over **corruption issues**, but now they're ready to corrupt again...

MAGA keeps breaking the irony meter.
She was perfect on The Power Rangers as Rita Repulsa
Seriously. They won't even support him on trial.

They're a family of leeches looking out for themselves. It will be great watching them all eat each other.
Nope, they aren’t going to because we aren’t going to allow that to happen!
Daddy’s money…
Noem is slavering to be VP. However, she has so offended the Native residents of South Dakota that she’s banned from entering 17% of the state she reportedly governs.

She also appears very proud of her toned arms, flexing them frequently while clad in the same type of sleeveless dresses that attracted such hateful attention for a similarly fit Michelle Obama.
Don Jr has Gaven Newstrom’s sloppy seconds. His girlfriend is older than is step mom, might be why he is so angry.
""At last! After 10000 years I'm free! Now to marry a Trump! Muahaha!""
LOCK HER UP!
You really think they all get together for holidays?",2024-04-24 12:55:12,"anger, disgust, contempt, surprise, neutral"
"Trump, Repeating 2020 Election Lies, Will Not Commit to Accepting 2024 Results",1cie4m3,3000,"Title: Trump, Repeating 2020 Election Lies, Will Not Commit to Accepting 2024 Results

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Too many people prefer lies, no matter how dangerous or absurd.
Biden should just declare himself winner as an official act and no one could do anything about it because of presidential immunity. ^/s
If he ""can't accept"" unfavorable results, why is the fat piece of shit allowed to run in the first place?
The same people who cry about participation trophies don’t have enough character to admit defeat
Don't they have to pledge that  they will accept the results and honour the 'Peaceful transition of Power' to run?... if not they should.
Stuff this stupid demented old man in a nursing home, and take away his phone already. I’m so fucking sick of this clown.
Some states require it to get on their ballots, but obviously it doesn’t apply to the special snowflake Trump. For reasons.
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He needs to build an excuse just in case he loses. But it's a really dumb country, so pretty sure he's winning
Biden could just make America into a Bidenocracy, as an official act, and end all elections, as a official act. Thanks to presidential immunity. /s
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Apparently, it's descriminatory to Republicans to expect them to behave with decency.
Absolutely, if he’s admitting he won’t accept the results...why let him run in the first place?
Democracy wasn’t built on stupidity, yet the way this clown can so easily manipulate it, sure makes you wonder.....
That’s what everyone thought in 2016 and no one voted because they “assumed” he’d get steam rolled. Make sure everyone votes! And not just for president, we meed a blue wave all the way down to damn city councils and county/city mayors.
Liberal Democratic voters didn’t take Trump seriously in 2016. And Russian voter interference and suppression helped Trump. Democrats learned from that, took the 2020 election seriously and won. That knowledge and the seriousness of today and tomorrow’s politics will definitely be difference between victory and defeat.
I think a full reset is the only hope for SCOTUS at this point
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This type of casual nonchalance is what got us in this mess in the first place.
I don't know. He had alot more people willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in 2016. 

For educated people with a conscious and a brain in 2024, he has given more than enough reason to doubt him in many, many ways.
The day I never have to hear this voice again is a day I will relish forever.",2024-05-02 12:13:14,"anger, disgust, sadness, fear, neutral"
Trump Refuses to Commit to Accepting 2024 Election Results,1cij596,7527,"Title: Trump Refuses to Commit to Accepting 2024 Election Results

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Nothing has damaged America in my lifetime more than that sack of unpatriotic shit. You'd have to truly despise this nation to support such a blatantly perfidious turd.
Since 2020 he's been 0/60+ in election fraud lawsuits.

0 people, even in Republican-run states, have been arrested, charged, or prosecuted for the election fraud conspiracy Trump has alleged.

0 Democratic voters were snared with Texas Lt. Gov Dan Patrick's offer of a $25k cash bounty for tips leading to successful election fraud prosecutions (he had to pay out for some Republicans who were reported voting multiple times for Trump)

A few dozen Republicans have been indicted for illegal and fraudulent acts they took to attack the fraud they couldn't find.

Millions of dollars have been spent in recounts that added zero states to Trump's EC count.

The better part of a billion dollars has been paid by Fox to settle a suit about election fraud lies they knew were bogus at the time (and said so to each other)

There is no evidence of a widespread and coordinated effort to rig 2020 for Biden.

There is TONS of evidence that Trump and Republicans lied, knew they were lying, and lied anyway about the election.

But the denial is strong in MAGA.

The grifters at the top are aware of the con, but the red hatstands at the bottom are true believers in the conspiracy theory.

I've debated online with some of these people and have been told that the vote rigging for Biden was *really obvious*

When I asked them why Bidens people didn't rig the House and Senate too since they were on the same ballots, I was told that would be *too obvious.* 🤔 

 F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote, “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function.”

I think MAGA disproves that idea.
Or the idiots saying they won’t vote for “Genocide Joe” they could hand this election to Trump.
You can't save Palestine by not voting or voting for Trump. 

Trump will absolutely accelerate the genocide of the Palestinian people. With glee.
trump by himself is a racist con man and only poses a danger to the wallets of people who walk into his used car dealership and women who have the unfortunate circumstance of crossing paths with him.

trump with a half billion dollar inheritance, 63 million supporters, and the powers of the presidency is a clear and present danger to end the American experiment.
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I'd really like to not get on this stupid fucking ride again.  


But.... here we go.  Insurrection 2, electric boogaloo.
I blame whoever was president at the time of this alleged vote rigging. If they’re incapable of nominating a single judge who can hear their smoking gun cases, and incapable of making sure the country had fair elections after years of claiming there’s rampant fraud and a corrupt system, then I think the first thing we should do is disqualify them from office ever again.
I mean he will accelerate the loss of many countries.
Plus the decades of right-wing political machinations to stack the deck and saturation of the media with unbalanced conservative views and propaganda.
Of course not. He’s headed straight for dictator don’t pass go don’t collect $200. If he gets back in ain’t nobody accepting election results again until after the next civil war.
Specifically the US.
Who would proceed to genocide the shit out of Palestine as he has intimated already
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The US, Ukraine, Taiwan, South Korea, Palestine and/or Israel
This part cannot be ignored. The Republican Party and their voters were waiting for a Trump. He didn’t invent any of this, he only enabled it.
If you can not commit to something as little as the opinion of the majority of the US, you should not be allowed to run.
He knows he's losing, bigly. 
Because ANYONE meeting the very basic requirements can run. This may be a good addition to those requirements...
Holy shit, this is actually the best argument.  ""Donald, you were in charge, and you claim it was a rigged vote, so you were so incompetent you couldn't keep the 'vote' from being 'rigged?'""  

  
Say that to his face, he'll say it was the fairest election and hurt himself in confusion.",2024-05-02 15:53:20,"anger, disgust, fear, sadness, neutral"
2024 is the most important election in world history,1ckei5b,2331,"Title: 2024 is the most important election in world history

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i think it’s brilliant bc you’re voting for either puppet of the same master
Meanwhile we got these r3tards from both sides thinking they're better than each other 
People really are brainwashed if they believe that either side is here to help. 2 wings of the same bird.
But where do they stand on the Kendrick/Drake beef?
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We're literally in They Live. Good to see other awake people
But it’s a bald eagle baby
Election year what do you expect
💯

Good article on how the Rothschilds took over the world via the 1815 Battle of Waterloo market manipulation incident: ""The Evolution of Money. The Phantom Menace of the Rothschild Banking. Episode III""
https://medium.com/hackernoon/the-evolution-of-money-the-phantom-menace-of-the-rothschild-banking-episode-3-4f4bb8c812e1

>I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale. The system of banking we have both equally and ever reprobated. I contemplate it as a blot left in all our constitutions, which, if not covered, will end in their destruction, which is already hit by the gamblers in corruption, and is sweeping away in its progress the fortunes and morals of our citizens. Funding I consider as limited, rightfully, to a redemption of the debt within the lives of a majority of the generation contracting it; every generation coming equally, by the laws of the Creator of the world, to the free possession of the earth he made for their subsistence, unincumbered by their predecessors, who, like them, were but tenants for life.

Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Taylor, 1816 (Source: Library of Congress. 
https://memory.loc.gov/service/mss/mtj/mtj1/049/049_0147_0148.pdf)

- Epstein victim Maria Farmer, who reported Epstein to FBI in 1996 and was ignored, told Whitney Webb that Ghislaine Maxwell told her that the Rothchilds were her Maxwell family's number one protector
https://themindunleashed.com/2020/04/maria-farmer-says-trump-clintons-dershowitz-rothschilds-all-involved.html


- Alan Dershowitz literally said Lynn Rothschild introduced him to Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-ghislaine-maxwell-i-know/

- Lynn and Evelyn Rothschild on Epstein flight logs

- The Wall Street journal reported that the CIA and Rothschilds had regularly scheduled frequent meetings with Jeffrey Epstein long after the pedophile conviction
https://www.wsj.com/articles/jeffrey-epstein-calendar-cia-director-goldman-sachs-noam-chomsky-c9f6a3ff


""Excerpt from ""The Secrets of the Federal Reserve: The London Connection"" by Eustace Mullins*

>Chart I reveals the linear connection between the **Rothschilds** and the Bank of England, and the London banking houses which ultimately control the Federal Reserve Banks through their stockholdings of bank stock and their subsidiary firms in New York. The two principal **Rothschild representatives** in New York, J.P. Morgan Co., and Kuhn, Loeb & Co. were the firms which set up the Jekyll Island Conference at which the Federal Reserve Act was drafted, who directed the subsequent successful campaign to have the plan enacted into law by Congress, and who purchased the controlling amounts of stock in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in 1914. These firms had their principal officers appointed to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors and the Federal Advisory Council in 1914.

""Lord Rothschild: My Family Created Israel""
https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/lord-rothschild-israel/


""Lord Rothschild discusses cousin’s crucial role in ‘miracle’ Balfour Declaration"", https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/rothschild/


Lord Rothschild posing with satanic witch Marina Abramovic in front of the painting ""Lucifer Summoning his Legions"" in late 2019 https://www.instagram.com/p/CxnUR5lMRVf/

Here's a documentary that exposed an Apollo (Lucifer) temple on a Rothschild estate where people in black robes do occult rituals:
https://youtu.be/UEkuTwRnUmU?si=lzVjjDkSDCFIrMur

""1666: Redemption Through Sin"" by Robert Sepehr:

Explains how Amschel Rothschild created the Illuminati with Jacob Frank on 5/1/1776 with Isaac Weishaupt as the front man. The Illuminati is a Luciferian psychotic occult group dedicated bringing the world under a one world hell tyranny.

""Trump added $8.4 trillion to the national debt: Analysis""https://thehill.com/business/4426965-trump-added-8-4-trillion-to-the-national-debt-analysis/amp/

Bill Gates 9/4/19 $55 million BioNTech mRNA vaxx creator investment: https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/biontech-announces-new-collaboration-develop-hiv-and


""Bill Gates says Trump offered him a job as White House science advisor""
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2018/04/30/bill-gates-white-house-trump-offered-him-job-white-house-science-advisor-he-says/566386002/

President Trump awards Sharon Rockefeller the National Medal of Arts
https://youtu.be/dRB7zSPjf2M?si=ZJxSz4sS_pAUatDn

""Getting Donald Out Of Debt: The 25-Year-Old Ties That Bind Trump and Wilbur Ross""

>In stepped Ross, then head of Rothschild Inc’s bankruptcy advising team, to represent bondholders, who were pondering forcing the casino into involuntary bankruptcy and ousting Trump. (Trump then appointed Wilbur Ross to be Secretary of Commerce).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2016/12/08/trump-and-his-commerce-secretary-wilbur-ross-a-look-at-25-years-of-connections/

""REMINDER: ANTHONY BLINKEN’S DAD WAS “LONGTIME LAWYER AND CONFIDANT” OF GHISLAINE MAXWELL’S DAD, WORKED FOR EPSTEIN""

https://silview.media/2023/10/05/reminder-anthony-blinkens-dad-was-longtime-lawyer-and-confidant-of-ghislaine-maxwells-dad-worked-for-epstein/


""Antony Blinken Tied To Jeffrey Epstein: Went To School Where He Taught, Family Connected To Epstein’s Mistress""

>Samuel Pisar, the stepfather of Biden regime Secretary of State Antony Blinken, was a close confidant and lawyer for Ghislaine Maxwell’s father Robert Maxwell. Blinken’s stepfather was reportedly the last person to speak to Maxwell before he mysteriously fell to his death off the Lady Ghislaine while cruising near Spain’s Canary Islands in 1991.

>Secretary Blinken attended the Dalton School until 1971. National File reported in June that the prestigious New York prep school employed Epstein in a teaching position only a few years later, in 1974. The school has a long and prestigious history of educating the children of wealthy families, and has employed several noteworthy figures including William Barr, erotic novel author and father of disgraced former Attorney General Bill Barr, who previously served as the school’s headmaster and hired Epstein.

>https://nationalfile.com/antony-blinken-tied-to-jeffrey-epstein-went-to-school-where-he-taught-family-connected-to-epsteins-mistress/
also rfk is a zionist
They both would support drake since they both are pedos
Fucking great movie. Longest fight scene in history lol
I'm voting for the old white man. We've had such success with it
Please tell me, where was all of these ""both sides are the same"" people when Trump was President?

These posts are a manipulation tactic.
All sides of politics serve the same Elite corporation... It's all an illusion to make people think we have a say in the matter but presidents are selected, not elected. It doesn't matter who you vote for, it's already selected which puppet will ""win"". It's also a division tool to keep us at war with each other rather than coming together against our corrupt government (and the ones who control the government)
""I've come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass and I'm all out of bubblegum.""
cOnSpIrAcY tHeOrY

Surely humans have never desired and shown a constant historical trend lusting for power and conspiring to gain and control everything at any cost. No thats just fantasy in comic books and tin foil hatters heads.
I’m voting RFK 
 If I was American I would feel hopeless 😔
If you guys know that both sides are corrupt then why don't vote for the independent candidate? 😔",2024-05-05 00:14:29,"anger, disgust, fear, sadness, neutral"
Trump says he will only accept 2024 election results ‘if everything’s honest’,1ckokfz,1561,"Title: Trump says he will only accept 2024 election results ‘if everything’s honest’

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I don't care what he ""accepts"" or doesn't, he's a meaningless pos.
Man, when Trump dies, the United States will be so much better off
if he had any evidence (besides his opinion) then we might listen, but so far nada, zip, nil,  and a whole lot of GOP interference.
“This election wasn’t fair! I cheated and still lost!”
The US will only be better off if he goes to jail and is punished for his crimes. Otherwise another will simply take his place.
Exactly.
Hes a one trick pony.It will be the same bullshit redux from the last time.
The fix was in! He appointed the right Federalist Society Judges, sucked off the correct dictators, stolen the appropriate secrets, acquired the Saudi oil money... But he was just too stinky and uncouth for the real billionaires so they let him rot.
Being that he still doesn't accept 2020, nor 2016, him not accepting 2024, before it even happened means nothing.
Because he is such an honest man, his word should be enough to declare it honest or not./S   A man who has never lost anything./S
Gee I hope he accepts the jail time.
He's working up his minions to attempt another coup when he loses in November.
And you can be damn well sure republicans will try to cheat again.
Depends on if he ever gets held accountable for his actions.  If he doesn't then he will have helped set a rather scary precedent.  He will have firmly established that crimes don't matter, regardless of how open and public they are, so long as the GOP itself stands united in shielding you from repercussions.

The longer Republicans hold to this rather scary dream, the more the party will be forced to depend on this strategy as if the party loses power then everyone taking advantage of this strategy will fear being held accountable.  If things go far enough down that path, you'd end up with a party fully willing to pull off a military coup or civil war rather than lose power.  

We aren't particularly far from this outcome already.  I'm honestly a little apprehensive that the point of no return has already been crossed.
All I need is 11,780 votes
It will go worse for them when the President isn’t aiding them.  
Fucking idiot trump thinks he’s still in charge.
I honestly believe he'll have a heart attack when he's found guilty.
The difference now is we know what to expect.
If Trump was in a kung fu movie, it would be called ""Farts of Fury.""",2024-05-05 10:50:52,"anger, disgust, fear, neutral"
"Trump Suggests He Might Not Accept 2024 Election Results if He Loses, Repeats 2020 Election Lies",1cmh9xm,2757,"Title: Trump Suggests He Might Not Accept 2024 Election Results if He Loses, Repeats 2020 Election Lies

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This is supposed to be ""news""?
He is literally campaigning on the promise of ending democracy. No surprises here.
He is an American TRAITOR that was never vetted for the job in 2016
I refuse to accept the results if Trump wins. He has been caught trying to steal it once already. Fuck Demented Dipshit Donald Trump.
He sees [dictatorship](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025) as his only way out of his legal troubles.. Either way, whether he wins or loses, he's a cornered dog...
The Rs have no idea what’s coming for them at the Nov polls.
I keep saying….anyone that votes republican at this point deserves what they get…..but dammit, I don’t want to suffer for their stupidity…..
US Senator Tim Scott is also all in making sure Trump is president once again by any means necessary. He will say the election is rigged if his god-king is not relected.  His recent interview is proof that he doesn't care about the constitution.  

The Trump campaign and RNC also want to ban all votes after election day. They are currently trying to accomplish this in Nevada.
I don’t think he wins.

I could be wrong about this like I was in 2016, but I don’t thing the MAGA base is that strong now.

In fact it seems to me that the Republican Party has lost its identity and is at war from within.

I also think that Trump will be unable to escape the criminal justice system.

Women will help defeat Trump as the GOP is trying to take their rights away by pushing Roe v Wade; a losing political move.

Trump has taken credit for being the champion of bringing abortion back. No bueno.

Dems will bang that drum from now through November.  Expect to see lots of commercials clips of Trump taking credit for resurrecting Roe v Wade.

This abortion issue will resonate with the majority of women in the US, the same as it did in the 2022 midterm elections where it played a prominent role in upsetting pollsters predicting a red wave.

Finally I no longer pay much attention to the polls. They aren’t accurate, especially 538 which was massively misleading in the 2 last Presidential elections.

The only one I think has credibility is Allan Lichtman.
He was vetted and found thoroughly unsuitable. Unfortunately, people didn’t pay any attention to that. 

For me, it was the David Duke question, where he claimed to not even know who Duke was, despite running for President in 2000 with him. I took that to mean one of two things:
1. He knew who Duke was and was lying about it, which made him unsuitable for office
2. He honestly didn’t know who Duke was, meaning he wasn’t aware of basic American society and was thus unsuitable for office. 

It was reinforced in the debates:

Q: what are you going to do about cybersecurity and threats of cyber attacks from other countries

Trump: We’re gonna be the best on cyber. (No other information provided)
Please vote! 
Yeah. This isn't news. You can bet your last thin dime that 1 of 2 things is going to happen - 1: His worthless ass is actually,  somehow,  going to win, or 2: He's going to cry foul and pull some loser shit like he did last time. Problem is that if he loses, his legion of unstable dirtneck minions is so goddamned unhinged that any violence is very liable to not be confined to one small area, and is likely to include far more than the few thousand shitwits who stormed the capitol building at his behest. The fucking asshole is already riling up his smoothbrained followers with threats of doom, gloom and destruction if he loses. He's a danger to everyone in this country...
The only court he cares about is the court of public opinion. He hopes to rile up his base of millions to commit violence and storm the government and put him back in power as the dictator for life he wants to be. How scary it must be for him that he can only inspire a handful of supporters to protest at the courthouse that could seal his fate.
He said the same shit in 2015 and 2016. He's too narcissistic to ""lose"".
He already knows he’s gonna lose. He’s depending on his cult followers to start a war.😂😂😂😂😂
Of course he won't. Hopefully his followers learned from the first time but we all know thry didn't. They are literally just hanging on his balls ballsack believing every lie he spews.
I like the way you think my friend!
Then bring the hammer down on them.

I'm sick of mollycoddling MAGA fools.
""if I can't win then no one can play""
Exactly. 😂",2024-05-07 17:20:04,"anger, disgust, fear, sadness, neutral"
Biden Thinks Trump Won't Accept 2024 Election Result,1cnwu8c,12023,"Title: Biden Thinks Trump Won't Accept 2024 Election Result

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Well, no shit.
Trump still hasn’t accepted the 2020 election result. So… yeah, duh.
Given that there's been no real repercussions for the last insurrection attempt, why wouldn't he plan on another?
Or the 2016 election results
That’s correct. He didn’t expect to win in 2016 and had planned a spoilsport campaign that would have implied that illegal immigrants had voted her in. Even after he won, I guess he didn’t want to waste all the hard work he’d put into that con, so he *still* insisted there had been massive voter fraud, while at the same time insisting he’d won in a landslide and his inauguration had been the most amazing and unimaginably huge inauguration in history, pay no attention to the actual photos of the event. Voter fraud has been and always will be his go-to con.  And he’s been gaslighting the country since day one of his presidency.
Trump hasn't even accepted the results of the 2020 election.
Nor the 2016 election.  He repeatedly claimed that he probably won California.
Because this time around he doesn't hold the reigns of power. He or his yes men can't send out any memos or missives telling capital police to not engage any rioters unless they are helping them. 
He can't order the national guard to shut down cities under martial law the way he was advised last time. He can't seize voting machine pieces and take them apart again. 


This time round, when Trump loses, the winner will still be in the White House, with all of the power that entails.
Biden is correct, yet again. Trump can never admit defeat because Roy Cohn taught him not to. He also taught trump to always lie and deflect and accuse others of what he, trump is doing.   These tactics didn’t end well for Cohn but he generation an extraordinary amount of chaos and damage. To other people and the country before le lost his law license and before he died of a disease he also denied.
Here's what people don't seem to be seeing. Trump, Flynn, Stone, Jones, the GOP have had 4 years to prime people to not accept election results, 4 years to radicalize people and convince them that violence is not just acceptable, but may be the only way to 'save the country'. They're very well funded, have foreign adversaries supporting them, and have no fear of consequences, because as we've seen, there are none, once you've reached a certain position in society. 

This upcoming election has the potential to ignite something very ugly. It may not take the same shape as 2021, but, people are angrier, better prepared, better armed and better funded
> he still insisted there had been massive voter fraud, while at the same time insisting he’d won in a landslide

Won in a fraudslide.
Biden thinks sun will rise tomorrow.
He started his election fraud BS in 2012.

Also *coincidentally* when SCOTUS struck down pre-clearance from the Voting Rights Act ""election fraud"" became the biggest issue in a few years.
Well he's probably right

I'll be surprised if he doesn't try another January 6th if he loses, but at least this time the national guard will be ready for it
Is he ever going to get implicated in the Jan 6th debacle? He gets his voter pool all gassed up on the while Democracy is fake nonsense.
It is not hyperbole when people say that Trump's primary purpose for running for re-election is to stay out of prison.

Trump has found the one way he can be free of any consequences for his lifetime of criminal behavior and it is behind winning the presidency again.

This should help people understand just how desperate he will be to win this November as well as the lengths he and his supporters will go to make sure that happens.
I hear you. I feel you. But Biden is and will be the commander in chief through Inauguration Day at the minimum. The degree of difficulty for the treasonous class is much higher now.
Biden ~~thinks~~ **knows** Trump won't accept 2024 election results.
He's been indicted for it.

That's the case that's currently in front of the Supreme Court for a ruling on ""presidential immunity"".

The court will kick it back down to the appeals court for a ruling, which will then be appealed to the Supreme Court again, which will delay further. Then election will happen before a final opinion on the matter is resolved. Either Trump wins and pardons himself, or he doesn't and ties the trial up in delays and appeals until he dies.
Trump literally said just a few days ago that he won’t accept the results unless he wins.  So both candidates agree on that fact.",2024-05-09 13:06:28,"anger, fear, disgust, surprise, neutral"
"$600,000,000 spent on the 2024 elections by 50 Families",1ctkqmt,8558,"Title: $600,000,000 spent on the 2024 elections by 50 Families

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[Citizens United](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/citizens-united-explained?ref=foreverwars.ghost.io) - The only reason this exists.
Democracy.. lol
100 years down the drain because a mostly Conservative group of law makers said it was against free speech and that unlimited corporate spending would be transparent and not completely corrupt. Well we found out THAT was a LIE.

Conservatives, why do you seem like the worst part of democracy? You undermine it at every turn. You shit on the very thing that your country was founded on. You hand out billions in welfare to corporations and roll back every social assistance program and claim you care about people's rights and freedoms and then double down repealing women's rights and child labour laws.
Thank you, you fucking cocksukers on the Supreme Court.

Reverse Citizen's United - it is NOT about fucking Citizens.
Exactly why we need a wealth cap
Call me crazy but I think bribes should be illegal. No campaign donations or “lobbying” at all. Each candidate can have the same amount of time on public radio/TV. Or release their shit via social media. Take money all the way out of politics.
Technically, it’s about _fucking_ citizens
I mean they want it back to the country they founded, where a rich land owning man mattered.
Moneyocracy? Or greedocracy. Only the greedy get what they want.
but but these billionaires don't have any actual money its all debt!!!!!!! huuuuuuuuuuuur
And a wealth tax.
Thinly veiled plutocracy
class warfare.
ItS AlL iN StOCkS BrO thEy DoNt JuSt HaVe ThAt MoNEy iN tHe bAnK
https://preview.redd.it/n1gwhz9u3v0d1.png?width=711&format=png&auto=webp&s=b413703effb2bff4c8747a13ab261f11b5f0df02
>where a rich land-owning, man-owning man mattered.

FTFY.
This type of shit is what i try to inform and remind voting-apathetic people of. The ones that say basically 'why vote when its already decided who will win/its rigged' 


If its decided then why in the world would these greedy ass billionaires with more money than God spend so much money on it?!?


I can understand thinking the game is very influenced. But the influencing is THIS RIGHT FUCKING HERE.
And no more littering the streets with shitty plastic campaign signs.
Where a rich, land-owning, man-owning *white* man mattered.
It's all about dividing people get them to divide against interest it's the rich against the poor they don't want to pay taxes and they don't want unions to earn a decent wage so they found a con man that they could get behind and try to get him in office wake up people",2024-05-16 19:01:56,"anger, disgust, surprise, neutral"
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I hate billionaire families.
Of course all the hedge fund leeches pouring money into the machinery.
All my homies hate billionaire families.
Taxing billionaires should have been done decades ago. I think they're too entrenched at this point so we might need to have a huge feast. We will need to wear bibs because they are very plump and will probably make a mess of things for a while.
Gee , I wonder why Jefferey Yas and Kenneth Cordele Griffin would want to influence this current election. 

Maybe it has something to do with putting a puppet into the white house who wants to gut the SEC and all but remove any and all market regulations that we have so that they can weasel out of their massive short positions that they've made their wealth off of. 

Even a monkey would see this as painfully obvious.
All our homies gonna end up eating billionaire families.
Remember that if you see someone spending $70 million on something, they're doing it expecting to get a greater amount of money back.  $600 million spent on an election turns into far, far more money being plucked from the rest of America and put into their pockets.
Frankly, for all those billionaire families out there, having incest and whatnot out of pornhurb, raping kids and making it look like picnic, shitting on standards and regulations of all kinds, one would think they're the enemy of the state, not the one who funds it.
If you work in an office, and get those big Uline catalogs, throw them away. They are owned by the Uihlein family that spends millions on Republicans. Don't let your company order from them.
you know those movies where a motley crew of criminals kidnap some rich kid and hold them for ransom? I love those movies...

![gif](giphy|jfY49kvvzoJP35FGhS|downsized)
Oh look financial terrorist ken Griffen 
I bet he can't fight tho
Mayo man we see you.
Let's start with this dude

https://preview.redd.it/05hb1224541d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b3efa1abc4052cf25c63b6781a32ea96d00d771
ask about the shit health insurance and crappy 9 hour days they make their wage slaves work with no chance of a sliver of equity.  parasites on the country
Look into Ken griffin.
Of course, Yass and Grifffin are at the top of the list... of course they ate. I suppose it makes sense. They are paying a lot of people, a lot of stolen money to look at anything but the Market.
Who first
Their business model includes destroying companies, mostly pharmaceutical and biotechnology, preventing potentially life-saving medicines from ever reaching the market. Disgusting parasites
Just saw a video of Warren Buffet saying if billionaires and billion dollar corporations paid what the middle class pays in taxes, the rest of the country wouldn’t need to pay taxes of any kind.
Gotta keep those pockets greased.",2024-05-17 18:53:41,"anger, disgust, disgust, anger, anger, disgust, anger, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, disgust, anger, disgust, disgust, disgust, disgust,"
Sen. Marco Rubio won't commit to accepting 2024 election results,1cvrkvj,2285,"Title: Sen. Marco Rubio won't commit to accepting 2024 election results

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Unless Trump wins. Fuck these clowns
Not surprising. He’s always been an absolutely pathetic excuse for a human being.

Florida could have had Val Demings as a senator but they wanted another six years of this weasel. That state is so far gone it’s not even funny.
Remember the same ballot that gets Republicans elected in the house and senate is rigged but not THEIR election.
They’re just openly rejecting democracy. The biggest fucking babies I’ve ever seen in my life. We’re to the point words and protests won’t fix this if people simply refuse reality and force everyone on their anti-democratic terms.
Even worse, they’re ALL rigged unless they win. So when Trump lost that was rigged but wherever R’s won on the same ballot, that was somehow legit.
I keep saying this. If they hold House and/or Senate after the next election, they will not affirm a Biden/Harris electoral win. To any moderate “I vote for the candidate not the party” voters out there, you won’t save our democracy with just your presidential vote. You cannot vote for any election denier — which is pretty much the entire Republican Party at this point.
I don’t accept his non-acceptance. He really does accept it and is just a huge lying coward.
Yeah imagine being a senator from Florida which has worked the hardest to disenfranchise voters and not accept a democrat win. They’re starting 100 miles behind you.
Exactly. We’re supposed to believe their election was legit but those other elections in the rest of the ballot were wrong
Listening to his interview on Meet the Press this morning was pretty exasperating.  The first thing that struck me is how annoyed he appeared before the interview even began.  You can’t defend the indefensible and have a good spirit.  

To still say you won’t commit to accepting the election results after January 6 is akin to saying, I don’t give a fuck about democracy. I don’t care about the voters’ will.  Shame is dead in the Republican Party.
*And let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Marco Rubio doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.*
So basically, one entire US political party has abandoned Democracy. The media has to start spelling this out very*clearly.*
I'm not certain the Biden administration should commit to the election results either. The goalpost shifted so far on the right that they are outright saying ""there will be blood no matter what in 7 months"" so fuck em.
Facists you mean .. not babies
I went to Florida when I was a tiny kid. It was pretty good then. No plans to ever return.  I vote with my vacation money.
They're going to chip away at every norm in our society until they destroy representative democracy. Alarm bells are going off, warning lights are flashing red, a voice is saying ""pull up, pull up"". Folks, we're crashing into a mountain. A fascist mountain.
This has become the GOP Party Line now...Putin must be so proud
They have to in order to survive.

The last GOP popular vote win was in 2004. The last one before that was 1988. If there was no electoral college, George HW Bush would have been the last elected GOP president, that was 36 years ago.

Without extreme gerrymanders they basically would never win the House.

Biden is the seventh Dem popular vote win in a row, that is a streak completely unprecedented in American history. Like it should not be possible.

The GOP is a party that relies on gaming the system to over represent whites, a group that is rapidly shrinking. The baby boomers are all gone in 10 years and the rest of America is far far far browner and more liberal.

The 20th century can’t last forever, we are 1/4 in to the 21st century.


Imagine someone in 1924 running on a platform of “let’s go back to how things were in 1857”. That’s the GOP.
*“If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy.""* - David Frum

Frum's prediction, from long ago, came true a while back.
They all know exactly what they're doing. If you make people distrust the media and keep repeating the same lies, eventually it becomes the truth. Especially helpful if your population is as dumb as a box of hammers.",2024-05-19 16:00:54,"anger, disgust, fear, sadness, neutral"
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Supreme Court Justice Sam Alito decided to fly a upside down flag on his home in a display of solidarity for the Jan. 6 insurrection. 

He's not going to recuse himself from a ruling about the foundation of the Jan. 6 charge. 

SCOTUS is illegitimate, has been for decades.
Imagine being that fired up in your support of a man who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. Coming to that realization in a courtroom full of other adults should probably induce a bit of psychological distress
Frankly, I think there's no realization to speak of. They cry because of self pity.
Didn't you hear his excuse? It was his wife, not him. Totally not him. He didn't even know.

Lying POS.
They're only crying because they are being held accountable. At least 95% of them are not sorry.
You and most of the country.
His excuse is just so unbelievably lame and wouldn’t even be accepted in a kangaroo court!

He & Thomas have waaaay too much sway and Roberts has to taking a fucking stand here. This is REALLY BAD and it will be on him if they destroy our democracy
if biden wins again i’d bet massive amounts of money something similar happens, I mean literally every republican refuses to denounce it or just acts like leftist are obsessed with it. God forbid you tell them how 94% of BLM protest were peaceful or that the people actually doing damage were there purely for that.
It wasn't just in the court room. The second they hit those interrogation rooms and realize it was the FBI handling them a lot of them broke down crying. There are multiple recordings of dudes just loosing it and FBI agents trying to calm them down and start over. 

They cry and they snivel and beg and the second they get sent back to jail they act hard and forget it ever happened. Most of the Jan 6 people were being held in a single wing of a prison and they'd hype each other up and sing the national anthem at lights out.
Anyone remember the confession bear where the guy ate his cum when he was young because his parents told him it was his life force?

Edit: [For the uninitiated](https://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/1q4obx/in_response_to_the_guy_who_jizzed_in_his_own_mouth/)
What got me the most is the audio from Jan 6. The full-throated roars of so many idiots that are fully convinced in their self-righteousness, rallying all the like-minded window lickers to violence. They were winning so hard in their own minds. To see that delusional brain damaged energy come crashing back to reality is very satisfying. Eat shit Trump humpers
worst confession ever?
It’s not much of a confession to say you’re glad felons go to jail.
He has to walk past it or see it from his window right? 

If he did know and decided to do nothing he's an insurrectionist. If he didn't know... He's fucking lying.
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Only way this is a confession is if you’re one of, or know a bunch of the insurrectionists.
Funny how none of them got charged with terrorism and the black guy got one of the longest sentences….
Where's the video?
There was a time when I had never heard that story.

And you took that from me, You bastard.

*Edit: typo*
Except they're right on the verge of it just being lifted right off them. They already got propped up as heros singing the fucking anthem at a god damn rally. And have their daddy saying he's going to pardon them. It's not satisfying yet and if the polls are any indication there's at least a 50% chance it's going to be reality crashing on the rest of us and we have to accept the country is basically entirely fucked and rules don't mean fucking shit",2024-05-20 23:58:37,"anger, disgust, sadness, neutral"
"Marco Rubio Says He Might Not Accept the 2024 Election Results, Because That’s a Requirement of Potential Trump VPs Now",1cx7kcx,3354,"Title: Marco Rubio Says He Might Not Accept the 2024 Election Results, Because That’s a Requirement of Potential Trump VPs Now

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Watch as they all try to come crawling back to the political mainstream in a few years. They shouldn’t be allowed to though, hopefully people never forget what they were complicit in.
All these fucking insurrectionist politicians should be permanently barred from holding office in the uniteUnited States. Some should just be behind bars.
The minute he hooked himself up with trump trash, he became irrelevant. His mouth is firmly attached to trump's ass.  He's a self loathing slime ball,  who is afraid of trump.  I prefer y politicians to be fearless about doing the right thing and actually working for the people, and not violating their oaths of office, and upholding the Constitution.  He does none of those things.  He's just another degenerate liar who is incapable of doing the right thing.
Rubio never recovered from the complete and utter humiliation he suffered from Chris Christie in that 2016 debate. The guy is pathetic
What's infuriating is that Rubio was one of Trump's loudest critics in 2015/16. Along with Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham, they called him out for his racism, and his authoritarian tendencies. 
  
Then once he got the nomination they stepped into line. 
  
Then after Jan 6th that same group condemned Trump for inciting an insurrection. They clutched their pearls, but once it became clear the rest of the GOP was still behind Trump, they fell into line again. 
  
Rubio, Cruz, Graham, McConnell - they know better,  but are some of the most spineless fucking cowards I've ever known.
They should ALL be behind bars.
I wonder what it feels like to be so spineless.  I guess I’ve never wanted anything as badly as these guys want power, or to be in the limelight, or whatever the hell it is that motivates a guy like Little Marco.  The way Trump debased him in 2015/16 should make any self-respecting person completely disassociate themselves from Trump.  And yet here he is, begging; “please sir, can I have another?”
Except so far not that many of them seem to be paying a price for the chaos they create
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So many of them who hitched their wagon to trump have just ruined their careers and their self respect.
He was already on shaky ground after the thirsty SOTU response. Why can't the right drink water?
This *is* the political mainstream in the Republican party. Let's quit pretending MAGA is fringe and anti-establishment.
Conservatives will sooner abandon democracy than abandon conservatism.
*“If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”*

*David Frum – a former Republican speech writer. Jan 16, 2018*

Mr. Frum hit the nail on the head. Republicans are either complicit in attempting a coup, or are too cowardly to stand up the the MAGA clowns.
It says way too much about Florida that this dude still represents them after getting dragged worse than any politician I can personally remember in a live debate almost a decade ago
Good, things like this have pushed me away from the Republican Party. Keep embarrassing yourselves and keep losing voters
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
That's just it.  If they had to pay any consequences for their shit behavior, those idiots wouldn't be doing the shit they do.
Rubio was only a critic because he was running for President himself and thought Trump would be easy to beat.
You ever see the wizard of oz. Wicked people and water don’t mix",2024-05-21 13:11:59,"anger, disgust, sadness, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust,"
Nikki Haley says she will vote for Donald Trump in 2024 election,1cyks24,1538,"Title: Nikki Haley says she will vote for Donald Trump in 2024 election

Body: “Haley’s U-turn provoked a swift backlash. Sarah Longwell, a political strategist and publisher of the conservative Bulwark website, tweeted: “So when Nikki Haley said, ‘It is now up to Donald Trump to earn the votes of those in our party and beyond it who did not support him.’ She really meant, he can treat me and my voters like garbage and I’ll still fall in line and support him.”
“Joe Walsh, an ex-Republican congressman, added: “This isn’t complicated: Nikki Haley believes Trump is unfit. And she believes he should never be back in the White House. But if she said that publicly, her career as a Republican would be over. So, as expected, she decided to not be truthful. To keep her career as a Republican.”



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Predictable and pathetic. More proof that the republican party is corrupt to the core.


Just another reason to vote blue


https://democrats.org/
Yeah, it sucks.  It's no excuse to let the fucking cult win though.
In other news, water is wet. 

Such a party of weak people. Just bow down to an Orange conman who could care less about politics.
You can't have one sane party in a democracy. Don't get me wrong, the GOP is a cult beyond repair. But a democracy with only one functioning party is also broken.
Ha! Sending a message that she’s still willing to accept that vp spot.

Surprised she did not show up at the NYC courthouse to kiss trump’s ass like the rest of those disgusting craven suck-ups. 

And that is SO maga - personal power before country.
The cult has to be voted out of existence. Then the Dems need to split into a conservative wing and a progressive wing.
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Spineless weak worms bowing to the god emperor.
She like all the others just hope it will placate the Red Hat Cultists when their next coup succeeds so she doesn't end up against the firing squad wall with everyone else Dear Orange Leader hates.
Thing is, the whole point of idiots like Trump, Greene, Haley, etc. Is they're supposed to be useful idiots that shift the Overton window further to the right, by making people like Bush seem moderate. The trouble is the Republican machine back fired and one of the useful idiots ended up getting elected. And now other useful idiots like Haley are now considered, ""moderate.""
I thought she was “Barred Permanently!” Guess Trump is correct. She is a BirdBrain (an insult to birds).
Like always, they fucking bend the knee to kiss his sweaty ring piece.
craven assholes from the bottom to the top. she’ll happily gobble up a cabinet position too. He could appoint her Secretary of Deez Nuts and she’d take it
We all knew she fucking would and anyone who was going to vote for her because you lied to yourself and said she was different than Trump here you fucking go. She called him unhinged and unfit and that she didn’t need to kiss the ring but just fucking lied to you all. It’s all your party has in common, they’ll do anything for self gain. Especially destroying this country
This is the way.
Coward. Hypocrite. Opportunist. Liar.
What an unhinged thing to say about Biden’s wildly successful 4 years (especially when compared with the orange shitsack’s run). 
She’s a batshit as the rest of these hate mongers
Did she say that while she was on her knees or bent over the table at Mar A Lago?
I mean, yeah, America is already a one-party state (the GOP aren't a political party, they're an antisocial domestic terror cabal) with a broken democracy.
We have needed this for a long time. The corporate centrists are completely at odds with progressive values. They undermine any real progressive push in the party.",2024-05-23 04:59:03,"anger, disgust, surprise, neutral, anger, disgust, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger,"
Cruz refuses to unconditionally accept results of 2024 election,1cysrln,4342,"Title: Cruz refuses to unconditionally accept results of 2024 election

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>Like, we have an entire election law system: that people challenge elections, elections get overturned, voter fraud gets proven. That happens all the time,” Cruz said.

The is a complete lie.  Elections get challenged all the time and a single digit cases of fraud are found but very rarely are the results overturned.
Dont forget to mention that its always the Republicans committing voter fraud 
I hate republicans. Such cowards.
And telling their base to go and commit it.
We need journalists who are going to ASK the hard followup questions when Republicans make ludicrous claims like this complete BS in his direct response: 

""elections get overturned, voter fraud gets proven. That happens all the time.""

WHEN was the last election that was overturned on FRAUD, Mr. Cruz? Like seriously, you don't need to be a great journalist to fucking followup and bust them on their BS
Republicans arent even politicians anymore. You cant be a politician if you dont accept the political system that made you a politician.

Its like MTG using the power she gained in the 2020 election to attack the credibility of the 2020 election.

They are just domestic terrorists in suits
The second attempt at a coup is going to be much more organized.
Like in 2020 when Donald told his voters to vote twice. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN25U2FX/
It does, in fact, happen.[ I remember when Texas Lt Gov Dan Patrick paid out $25,000 American dollars after a Democrat who discovered Republican voter fraud.](https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/22/politics/texas-voter-fraud-award/index.html)
This whole act of treating trump as their unquestionable cult leader doesn't make trump look strong it makes them look weak.
And when they fail to name one, followup: ""so if you can not name an instance, was your statement that it happens 'all of the time', misinformed, uninformed, or was it a lie?""
We literally have an example of election fraud that cost a candiate an election. 

https://apnews.com/article/florida-5343b101e96d5c7f42d1ee54da7cc0ce

Did the voters get a chance to fix it? Nope the Republican candidate still won and shes still in power today.
Agree. When have we ever had an election overturned because of voter fraud being proven?  I can't think of one.

We've had recounts overturn results of very close races, that happens pretty regularly.
And don't forget the examples we have of voter fraud occurring is because the system fucking works and those people were caught.
While projecting their fraud on Dems..
I hate the reporters that talk to these clowns and let them get away with this

- Reporter there was no Fraud
- Cruise - ah ha!  Are you saying there was 0 fraud?!! Give me evidence of 0 fraud
- Reporter - Well no evidence that it would have any impact to the election
- Cruise - Gotcha! So you admit there was fraud!! 

Then they let it go… when yes out of ~160 million votes there were probably dozens of cases were people voted twice or something happened but it’d be 0.0001% or some completely inconsequential number. 

But they let these obvious conmen frame it and they take outliers and let them present it as if it’s the norm… when it’s not at all the case

News Media in the USA is awful.
Well, not exactly a *legal* overturning, we've had these events ..  


- [Colfax massacre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colfax_massacre)
- [Ocoee 1920 massacre]( https://calendar.eji.org/racial-injustice/nov/2)
- [Wilmington Massacre]( https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/wilmington-massacre-2/) 
- [Atlanta Race Massacre of 1906]( https://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/atlanta-race-massacre-of-1906/)


One group tends to resort to violence and uprising more than the others when they don't like the outcome of an election more than just waiting to deal with any potential issues via the legal system (why? Because they usually don't have a legal standing). 


Side note, when they mention ""Democrat"" and ""Republicans"" please realize that during this era, the Republican's were the progressive tolerant and the Democrats (Southern Democrat) were the racist. They didn't switch until about the 1960's.
I think the police are going to be much more assertive a second time around.
Lot of republicans went to prison over the NC 2018 fraud
Al Gore would also like a word.",2024-05-23 13:27:34,"anger, disgust, anger, anger, disgust, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger,"
"Don't vote for the Stein, aka the Green (Getting Republicans Elected Every November) Party nominee. Vote Democratic/Biden 2024!",1cz7hok,3246,"Title: Don't vote for the Stein, aka the Green (Getting Republicans Elected Every November) Party nominee. Vote Democratic/Biden 2024!

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How is one *not* sobered up after Jan 6, Roe v. Wade, and Project 2025?

EDIT: I mean WTF else has to happen??
So why would Trump 2 sober up people in a way that Trump 1 didn’t?
*that sobering clarity*
-Trump becomes perma president and the government is fully run by bootlicking yes men...
I am VOTING BLUE LIKE MY LIFE DEPENDS ON IT. 

I do not care who is on the ticket. A vote for third party, not voting or a vote for anyone else will equal a birth control ban. 

Project 2025 is real and terrifying.
Translation: “I want to be a victim while feeling justified and making everyone around me pay for my lack of perspective”
“We’re going to teach them a lesson and not have a democracy anymore!”
""I don't drink, now you can't without breaking the law."" -Trump 2 signing the reinstatement of Prohibition.
Stein is a fan of Putin. Always has been. Third parties are typically spoiler candidates put in by Conservatives and their supporters.
Don’t forget the Supreme Court. If Trump wins there’s a decent chance he’ll get to nominate two new justices and we’ll have 5 Trump judges on the court for the next 30-40 years.
I would probably go more with ""I come from a wealthy background and am almost certainly straight and white, so I'll be just fine no matter what, and I'm totally willing to throw everyone else under the bus just so I have the opportunity to act self-righteous about how I know best and all the politicians should have catered to me personally.""
Sounds like every person raised in abusive relationships ever - “I’m gonna mimic what I saw growing up and help the aggressive, abusive maniac force the system I live under and watch them become so abusive it’s no longer functional, ever, no going back to the good old days ever.”
The Green Party suspiciously pops up right before the election and has no candidates in other elections. It's almost like they have no platform and don't know how to get a foothold as a party. Weird.

EDIT: What's this idiot's view of a ""moment of sobering clarity"" that we need? Does he want to see abortion illegal, LGBTQ rights removed and immigrants arrested and deported? I think he does.
Honestly I don’t even think most of these people are real. Just bots trying to help Trump
They'll actually have to live in the reality of a Christo-fascist authoritarian state and, uh-oh! They're not at the top of the food chain like they thought they were gonna be! Turns out all those liberal cuck nerds who were warning about this for more than a decade were right! And now there is no longer a non-violent way to get our shit back. 

Whoopsie doodle.
A few of these people really want the end of our current society, burn it to ashes. And seem to think a glorious utopia will take its place rather than, say, a warlord type system. I believe in systematic tweaks toward improvement, I think throwing the whole thing out will result in something much worse.
We literally just watched Republicans willingly die rather than admit that Democrats were right about something during the pandemic. 

Somebody would have to be completely detached from reality to think that Republicans would ever admit that they were wrong about this.  Their entire ego depends on doubling down and never admitting fault.
More like “I didn’t wear a condom with Stormy, and now you can’t either… wait maybe not”

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/facing-backlash-trump-walks-back-comments-restricting-contraceptives/story?id=110464898
Yeah, accelerationists.

I've spoken to a bunch of these people over the years and they all have the same problem.  They all just assume that the only possible outcome of the complete obliteration of our society is that an ideal society takes its place, when there are actually countless other possible outcomes, most of which are absolutely horrifying, and almost all of them are dramatically more likely than the one that they are latching on to. 

They don't have any actual plan or idea of how this is supposed to work. They just believe it will, blindly. 

They are the underpants gnomes business plan.

A lot of the people who believe this that I see are also incredibly privileged and really have no idea what it's like to suffer or what they are asking for.  They would get about 5 minutes into this and find out that their previously privileged existence was over and go into complete panic because that's not what they expected.
Think of how many more Alito’s he can stack on the SCOTUS - that should terrify everyone. 

Including everyone on the right - but I don’t think they quite understand how bad things can be.
These folks will be marching into ovens and still not sobering up, saying stupid shit like  ""Just imagine how bad the economy would have been under Biden""",2024-05-23 23:58:00,"anger, fear, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, fear, disgust, anger, fear, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, disgust,"
South African general election results in 2019 and 2024. Largest party by municipality.,1d5merl,2623,"Title: South African general election results in 2019 and 2024. Largest party by municipality.

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""Wait why is there one area in the middle with no data""

– My stupid ass just now
Sidenotes:

* These are the results of the 2019 and 2024 South African general elections showing the largest party by municipality. Colours refer to parties with either a majority or plurality (i.e. most votes but not a majority) in each municipality.
* With 99% of the vote counted, these are the expected end results by each municipality.

How well did the parties do overall in 2024? (Only showing parties with 1%+).

Parties shown on this map (with at least a plurality in a municipality)

* **African National Congress (ANC)**. Centre-left, 40% of vote in 2024.
* **Democratic Alliance (DA)**. Centre-right (or broadly centrist), 22% of vote in 2024.
* **Inkatha Freedom Party (IFP).** Right-wing. 4% of vote in 2024.
* **uMkhonto we Sizwe (MK)**. Left-wing. 15% of vote in 2024.

Parties not shown on this map as having not won any pluralities.

* **Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF)**. Far-left. 10% of vote in 2024.
* **Patriotic Alliance (PA).** Far-right. 2% of vote in 2024.
* **Freedom Front Plus (FF+/VF+).** Right-wing. 1% in 2024.
* **Action SA.** Centre-right, right-wing. 1% in 2024.

(Political positions of parties taken from how they are identified through media).

Any questions - please comment below! I'll try my best to answer!
From what my boer friends tell me (and general reporting) the DA is pretty popular with the white and colored populations while the MK is popular with Zulu
The independent country of Lesotho?
It looks like support for MK is mainly concentrated in KwaZulu Natal. Disappointing to see them vouch for a corrupt former president and ethnic nationalism over a more inclusive party. Are they also popular in non-Zulu areas?
The proud and venerable country of Lesotho mentioned!!!! Let’s fucking goooo🇱🇸🇱🇸🇱🇸
To add to this, IFP is also mostly concentrated around Zulu (they are associated with the Zulu monarchy), while Freedom Front Plus is mostly supported by Afrikaners in the Cape provinces.
Its just being replaced by itself in new clothes.
Yes, race / tribe still play a massive role. And probably will continue to do so for decades.

That pink bit of the map are 95% Zulu voters. Same for the red bit. Just a different Zulu faction.

The green is probably 95% black voters. Basically all the other black people who aren't Zulu, and who don't vote blue.

The blue is about 33% white, 33% black and 33% coloured / mix race.

Probably about 95% of white people vote blue. White people are about 7% of the population, and they all vote mostly blue.

The part of blue votes that come from black people are mostly people who live in urban areas. The rural areas all overwhelmingly vote green.
It's Jacob Zuma. He (his wife) lost the leadership contest in the ANC. His main goal is securing a clean chit for his many corruption scandals.
MK really was the disruptive force in this election. A party formed like 6 months ago just got nearly 15% of the vote. But it appears their base is mostly Zulu. Not even sure if they have enough MPs to fill the seats they’ve won. 🤔

DA looks like it’s hit its ceiling (21%-22%), which resembles SA’s minority population share (19%) ironically. Barely any growth since 2019. If it has any ambitions of growing its influence outside of being a junior partner in a national coalition with the ANC, it’s going to have to do more to attract black voters. 

EFF seems like it was marginalized this time around, largely due to KZN swinging to the MK. 

And of course, the ANC’s fall appears to have more to do with their traditional base leaving for more populist parties (MK, EFF). Despite that, they’re still the dominant party in the country by a wide margin. They can either stay center-left and have the DA/IFP support in a national coalition, or pivot to the far left with MK/EFF. Ramaphosa may prefer the former, but we’ll see what happens in the next few weeks.
Because they’re the liberation party and most black South African voters (81% of the population/electorate) still have that weighing heavily with their loyalty. Apartheid may have ended 30 years ago, but I’d argue “never again” is deeply embedded within their psyche. Similar to how many Eastern Europeans feel about communism after the fall of the USSR, I imagine. 

More importantly, there haven’t been any viable contenders to replace them outside of populist parties (at least yet). The DA is the official opposition and could be a contender, they just can’t get enough black voters to vote for them. Unless they can change their perception with that base, they’re stuck where they’re at nationally.
It's disappointing for everyone else in KZN. Shameful. I'm in rural kzn and we have a gigantic inflammatory MK poster on a main road here. Says in big writing 'land for natives' or something in the middle of boer central
How did the ANC manage to survive so long despite the economic and political chaos South Africa has endured for over a decade now? I understand that they get some rep on their participation in the ending of Apartheid, but given South Africa’s demographics most voters weren’t even born during Apartheid or were very small children at its tail end, and they have faced so many hardships with South Africa edging itself on failed stateship, you’d think it was going to experience at least some challenge.
It's beautiful to see the ANC on its death bed.
Does race play a role in party affiliation?
Northern and Southern suburbs of Cape Town.

The Northern suburbs are where most Afrikaans speaking white people live. Most of the wards there voted over 90% for DA.

I live in such a white Afrikaans speaking area. My ward voted 90% for DA and 3% for FF+.

Some wards just across the high way from us are mostly coloured, and vote between 75% and 90% DA as well.
AMC got 54 and MK didn't exist AFAIK.
To a depressing extent. 

That’s the reason South Africa is falling apart.
Never realized how regionally based political support was in South Africa. Like, the A is only (in majority status) in the Cape area and MK and IFP only in Natal. And it seems that the Gauteng/central area which used to be ANC is now not at all secure for them.

Will the ANC be forced into a coalition now? And with who? I hope its not with that rascal Zuma...",2024-06-01 12:57:53,"surprise, anger, sadness, disgust, neutral, joy, fear, sadness, anger, sadness, sadness, joy, sadness, anger, sadness, sadness, sadness, sadness, sadness, sadness, sadness, sadness, sadness, sadness, sadness"
LOK SABHA ELECTIONS 2024 EXIT POLLS MEGATHREAD LIVE,1d5o5hr,1384,"Title: LOK SABHA ELECTIONS 2024 EXIT POLLS MEGATHREAD LIVE

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Looks like Modi is the only leader in modern times to gain seats year-over-year for 3 successive terms. 

This is unprecedented.
agreed... this is good for bharat... since bharat needs stability
Great to see predictions of increased seats in wb, tn and kerala
Lol if you want to see major coping and seething go to randia sub.
He may even win the 4th term if he continues.
Yeah this is just as expected, 400 was too optimistic, 360-370 is reasonable
Nah the 'United' sub is where the real fun is to be had
Stonks go up 📈
Tn and Kerala are most important. I have several colleagues and friends. I think if the BJP wins some seats, they will invest heavily there.
Waiting for Bruv rathee meltdown ranting about dead indian democracy, how kejri pappu herogasm would have saved it
Bro it's massive.

Third term this big.
There is no age limit..
No. Stop undermining the man. If you get over 47% of the vote share in a country as diverse as India its not because the opposition is shit. Its because you're doing somehting right.
I will camp there on the 4th.
I put a fuck ton of cash in adanient before the weekend, Abhi Monday ko maza ayega :D
EVM hack ho gaye bhai
We have failed as citizens 
-a random Indian liberal
No they are finished, younger generations is smarter and more educated than previous generations, they know how excessive freebies will destroy the economy.
congresss was just that bad. Now people see result they vote more for bjp.
Kerala is seeing a massive change.

It has a lot of silent voters.",2024-06-01 14:26:02,"joy, surprise, neutral, anger, joy, neutral, joy, neutral, joy, joy, joy, joy, neutral, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy,"
LOK SABHA ELECTIONS 2024 RESULTS MEGATHREAD LIVE,1d7mfnu,2496,"Title: LOK SABHA ELECTIONS 2024 RESULTS MEGATHREAD LIVE

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We need a good opposition. BJP has been becoming arrogant especially Birj Bhushan, Electioral bonds, Manipur, taking in super corrupt opposition leaders into party or alliance. Hopefully this election will humble BJP a bit. 

400 for any party is not good for democracy
I might get hate but hear me out , INDIA alliance fighting almost toe to toe with NDA is good thing . Atleast Modi won't be overconfident this time and won't ignore problems that needed to be addressed .   
But my only problem is the promises on which  INDI ALliance winning .
The world isn't ready for BJP putting Allegations on I.N.D.I.A for hacking evms
Irony is people in this sub was excited for r/india meltdown and opposite is happening here wtf 😭
dont remember where I heard it..but perfectly captures the current mood...

*BJP and it's supporters are feeling like they have lost, even in victory...*

*and INC and it's supporters are feeling like they have won, even in defeat....*

neither side got what it wanted...lol....
Very happy. Now BJP will get fear for next elections. This is what happens when they ignore the cries of middle class and keep increasing taxes. Make middle class life easy or lose next time. Enjoy hung parliament (unlikely but still happy) :)
BJP winning in Bengal 

BJP losing in UP

Modiji galat jagah hacking ho gayi shayad
BJP is like me frfr

Started to focus on my Weak subject and ended up fucking up my strong subjects and lowering my percentage
A huge wake-up call for the BJP now they need to wake up and smell the coffee. They must stop their appeasement politics and focus on the people who vote for them. Otherwise, today's UP would be tomorrow's India.
NDA:- we did not expect these amount of seats![img](emote|t5_3d4x4|20003)p

INDI Alliance:- neither did we ![img](emote|t5_3d4x4|20008)
Looks like Bjp voters got overconfident when BJP said 400 paar. so they didn't go to vote in this hot summer thinking Bjp will win anyway
So we were in a democracy after all.
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Sort of like ‘India Shining’ moment. If you are as old as me, you know what I mean.

400 par slogan was a strategic blunder, it projected over confidence leading to core bjp voters staying at home and karyakarta taking it lightly. At least BJP is still coming on top.
There won't be Modi next time around. So unless BJP get their sh 1t together, I  see a new govt in 2029.
In only an Indian election can you blame the voters and not the party!! 

UP me BJP MP kabhi ground pe dikhte hain? Haarna to tha hi. 

Learn lessons and improve. Nothing is granted.
Ground reality is so much different from social media isn’t it …

People tend to underestimate our voter combined intelligence.. But our people sure know how to strike balance ..

BJP winning more seats in Bengal and INDIA winning more seats in UP truly shows how beautiful our democracy is
As per south they are more educated than the north because they don’t vote for BJP

Does that make UP the most intellectually rich state in the country rn?
Telugu states saving India from going back to Soviet era 👏
Lotion aur tissue paper leke baitha tha ki meltdown dekhke maja aayega 

Yaha khudka mansik santulan bigad raha hai",2024-06-04 02:28:46,"anger, fear, joy, sadness, surprise, neutral, disgust, joy, sadness, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy,"
India Election Results (2024),1d81ew7,2891,"Title: India Election Results (2024)

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For most people the results are ""closer than expected"", especially since a lot of BJP supporters were going around with their ""400+"" thing. It felt like it was possible if you were just scrolling through Twitter, Instagram and Reddit for all the news. Looking at the actual ground reality it was obvious this was about to happen.
The orange and blue*  colors represent coalitions. A coalition is a bunch of parties coordinating together in an election. 

The NDA coalition (National Democratic Alliance) is mostly center-right to right-wing, led by the BJP. So BJP managed to win around 240 out of 543 seats nationwide but it couldn't cross the simple majority margin of 272 (which it did back in 2014 and 2019). Right now it's banking on regional parties called JDU and TDP in order to cross the majority mark as a coalition. NDA is represented by orange here. It has technically ""won"" but the issue is: the leader of JDU is known to jump camps pretty often.

The INDIA coalition (Indian National Democratic Inclusive Alliance) is big-tent, mostly center-left group led by INC (which managed to win around 100 out of 543 seats by itself) allied with a lot of strong regional parties. INDIA is represented by blue here.

Under OTHERS you mostly have independent people and small, regional parties which did not form coalitions and still managed to win a seat or two.
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A mixture of various factors -

1) Rising unemployment amongst the lower strata of society since the pandemic struck.

2) BJP's list of candidates being poor choices for their constituencies in so far as they merely went to the electorate and asked votes in the name of Mr. Modi as opposed to offering any solutions to the existing problems. There were even issues of these candidates being at odds with the local party workers themselves.

3) A relative decline in the popularity of Mr. Modi himself. In a way this was bound to happen given he was 10 years in power.

4) The opposition, unlike 2014 and 2019, was in a consolidated alliance which meant they had divided the seats amongst themselves so as to not eat up each other's shares and directly compete against the BJP and its allies.
Can someone explain what the parties are and who won? I have no idea in Indian politics
According to the polls NDA/BJP was supposed to do considerably better, it wasn’t just a bunch of partisans online. Unless the major pollsters are biased towards the current government idk. But if you were just looking at the polls this was probably the worst-case scenario for Modi that you could imagine.
You cannot term BJP = NDA

and Congress = INDIA , both of these are alliance parties

BJP = 243 

INC = 100+ (many news reports differ so not sure there)
Why has the BJP lost so much in Uttar Pradesh
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This is so satisfying to look at, democracy at its best
Also added to this, the regional parties they form coalition with doesn’t always have same political alignment. Like in South, for example TDP is not hard right as BJP but still both are in coalition in these elections.
Low voter turnout and overconfidence/complacency played a massive part.
relatively ofc
![gif](giphy|Y4bItkN2ZIIGzLZ8Ts|downsized)

The color scheme reminds me of something 😁
It’s insane funny watching Westerners with no knowledge of Indian politics trying to come to conclusions
So Madhya Pradesh is now the BJP stronghold.
India isn't a two party democracy like the US. There's many parties that only contest and have power in only a few states. But there's two major national parties called BJP (Modi's Party) and INC or Congress. What always happens is these two parties form coalitions with multiple regional parties and contest together because they're not going to get the magic figure (the min number of seats to control the parliament and form government). The exception to this was last term when BJP won so big that they had their own majority (they were still in a coalition though). 

This time the BJP lead coalition is called NDA and the opposition coalition is called INDIA
Modi is still popular. BJP got the same percentage of votes as last time. The real problem was , as you mentioned, the candidates using modi’s name and hoping they would win the election. Even still, bjp managed to get 30+ seats and were defeated in razor thin margins in some areas
Bad candidates 

Overconfidence 

Exam paper leak 

Rajput protests

Opposition used the possibility of changes to the constitution by bjp to get SC votes 

Bjp just took UP for granted they need to introspect hopefully before 2027
Orange one is right and blue one is left",2024-06-04 16:27:30,"surprise, neutral, joy, sadness, anger, disgust, neutral, joy, neutral, neutral, joy, neutral, neutral, anger, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral"
France's European Election 2024 result.,1dc0u5t,3429,"Title: France's European Election 2024 result.

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Also Macron dissolved the Assembly now so we French are gonna vote again in three week to vote a new government
For non-French people, Rassemblement national is the far-right party and Renaissance is Macron’s party.
He was gonna lose an important vote tuesday and the Republican would have vote a ""motion de censure"" wich would have removed the Prime minister and usually that come with a desolve of the assembly from the president.

He probably thought it was a better idea to do it now as a response of the EU vote like ""I heard your voice"" instead of response to decision of the assembly
why is he doing that? Given how bad his score is in EU elections, he probably doesn't hope to win more sits?
No, it is a play against far right.

We will vote in 3 weeks, which will give our parliament a new majority and a new Prime Minister based on that majority. Two things can happen.

1) RN (far right) wins, we have a far right prime minister. However this is a risky position for RN because now, they have to govern. And traditionally, the longer a PM stays in place, the less popular he, and his party becomes. Which could mean that in 2027, RN will not win the presidency.

2) RN does not win the majority in June 2024. Macron can interpret this as a vote of confidence by the French population. Though RN will have an high score, and can continue to criticise the sitting government for the next 3 years, in preparation for the 2027 election.
And ""reconquête"" is the even more far right and "" la France insoumise "" is the far left that said to Zelensky that he is not welcome in France
Écologistes are greens (surprising I know)

Reconquête is far-far right

Républicains is right

France Insoumise is far-left

Parti Socialiste is left

Renaissance is Macron's political party

Rassemblement National is far-right

  
(for people wondering where each party is on the political spectrum)
I always laugh when La France Insoumise promote the human rights while, at the same time, they support the biggest dictatorships on this planet (Russia, China, Cuba, some of african countries, Venezuela...)
peaceful trasnition of power? I mean in the end if the government and the parliament don't represent the population that's what elections are for. Only dictatorships do elections when they think they can gain numbers.
I love how Renaissance is just ""Macron's party"". When you look them up they're just ""centrist"". When you look at their programme they.. just exist? They stand for nothing and everything at the same time. Really a strange party
No, he’s hoping for a far right government to prove themselves to be shit before the 2027 presidential elections, without letting them handle international relations nor military because that’s the president’s powers
Just to add on that : if the RN gets their first place, and as the lead party he gives them the PM position, they still won't have the majority in parliament to do anything, with a PM who would then be at the mercy of said parliament who can do a censor motion on him if he ever does anything real bad, and a president who can veto any law he doesn't like.

This might end up a very good way to give them ""the power"" without actually doing it by keeping a leash in case things go south, instead of waiting them getting the presidency in 2027 for their first demonstration of evil incompetence.

We all know how us french turn sour on those leading us, especially when they suck, and the RN is big on talk but their program is actually terrible.
Did Macron not just dissolve the government? So general election coming up?
They also support Hamas under the cover of ""promoting peace in Palestine"".
Macron definetly read 48 laws of power. This tactic was a genius power move.

A few years ago, in Romania, the estabilishment party had to give in and make a coalition with the progressive party. (Socialist corrupt estabilishment vs center right and lineral party)

They didn’t have a majority in parliament, so they ended up being incapable of doing a lot of stuff, all while having to deal with the pandemic , and the falling economy and infrastructure. Bucharest literally had no hot water running

End result after 6-12 months of governing? They went from 30% in polls to about 10% at the election. They never recovered from it, and the media absolutely devoured them (paid by corruption)

This is exactly what Macron is doing, he’s going to give them reign so he can blame everything on their govermence. People are going to blame the far right for not doing shit and they will be voted out.

The average voter doesn’t understand this 5d chess moves. He’s too occupied with his daily life. Also, memory is short

Macron, is , in my opinion, probably the best european leader in recent history. Because he is , an adaptable leader. 

I think there is some kind of genius in him.

Sorry for glazing
People have been screaming to do something about migration, politicians do nothing about migration and then the far right wins. Have some introspection, politicians are supposed to do what the population wants not tell them what they should want. 
Jesus fucking christ.
Well ""Macron's Party"" mean mostly people will vote regarding on their opinion on macron not on their belief
in english that's vote of no-confidence btw
So basically the average western leftist party",2024-06-09 18:41:37,"anger, surprise, disgust, neutral, joy, sadness, fear"
Countries that allow voting online in the 2024 European Parliament elections,1dc2hlp,1949,"Title: Countries that allow voting online in the 2024 European Parliament elections

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Seems like most of you think Estonia uses Google Forms to collect online votes. That's how far behind you are in digital world.
a lot of people in these comments obviously have no idea about how estonia handles e-votes. estonia isn’t stupid - their system has and continues to work. their definitely worlds ahead in digitalisation which is great.
Well, we've had online voting for 19 years and we haven't voted Putin our emperor yet, so it must work to some extent.

If it was that easy to rig, it would've already been rigged. It's not like we don't have state level enemies who would love to have their own politicians in power.
I guess most here dont have any idea how out voting works. Its easy to say it isnt secure but what is? E-voting has many layers of security compared to rigging and tossing paper votes. You may say that someone else can vote for you. Sure, if if you give them your most secret ID-card PIN codes and if you do it, everything you have is gone, all bank accounts, data etc. As some countries show, paper is not legit either. Fact is, no ""expert"" has managed to trick the system, just one single spoofed e-vote. If its so unsecure then just show it, I am sure that our government would like to see it.
Shocking how strongly opinionated people are on a very technical topic with barely any understanding.

For anyone curious, Estonia uses an ID card in the voting process which you can read more about here : https://www.id.ee/en/article/id-card-and-its-uses/ 


https://e-estonia.com/solutions/estonian-e-identity/id-card/
That Estonia have been doing this for something like 20 years despite living next door to the hacking epicentre of the world is kind of damning on the rest of the EU at this stage, no?


It is funny how people assume the Baltics would be behind the rest of Europe though (or the west at least). In the early/mid 2000s they had already (just about) take on online food shopping, banking and voting while most of the rest of us were still years away from having our first Amazon, eBay or PayPal account. 


Here's an interesting little read from the American Christian Science Monitor, all the way back from 2003: https://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0701/p07s01-woeu.html
That is why AI is such a popular buzzword right now also. People have no idea how it works and pretend the worlds gonna end.
There is a really great video explaining what estonia is doing and why. I use it for work. If i remember, i will try to link to it when i get there.
nice one Estonia, some of the best software developers in my teams are/were from Estonia!
And how do you deal with the secret ballot? I guess that you have to somehow log in with your personal data in order to vote. How can you be sure that somewhere on some server it is not recorded how did you vote?
And on an even more basic level how do you insure someone, like a controlling spouse isn’t standing behind their back? The idea behind voting booths is that everyone goes there alone.
UK ballots aren’t secret for example. They are numbered and noted against your name, so in case of any alleged malarkey a court can order for it to be traced and verified.
The digital system itself cannot make sure nobody is watching you, but you can cast the vote as many times as you like and only the last one will be counted. So, if your boss, for example (using some casual example from Russia) asks you to vote for a particular party, you can vote again later for the party you actually want to vote for 
Estonia being based as usual
Thats half the point, actually. You can explain a pencil and paper to an illiterate buffoon to the level they understand and trust it. Try to explain the intricacies of IT to the general population who are just barely more tech savvy than a neanderthal, and you will get ""stolen election"" movements all over the place. 

Additionally, not sure how it is structured in Estonia, but manipulating electronic votes sounds way more cost-effective than manipulating every physical voting booth.
Serious question now: How does the system make sure that the person voting isn't being forced to vote a certain way? In the ""classic"" system, this is achieved by requiring that every person goes behind a curtain alone to prepare their ballot, puts it into the envelope there, then casts the envelope into the box in front of the commission.

For example, on r/czech, we had a discussion several days ago about a young voter whose parents were forcing him to vote for a certain party under various threats. We concluded that if the commission does its job and the process of going behind the curtain etc. is followed, it really isn't possible for the parents to force/blackmail him in any way and to later learn how he voted.
Reading the comments here is quite funny yet terrifying.
You can sell your vote many many times, someone buys your vote you log in and vote for a a party, show the person you voted for that party, but then you can log in another time and revote. only your last vote is legit. So you can make money off of buing votes.
A lot of people terrified of the big bad scary Internet in this thread weird.
It can also potentialy be used to discriminate those who  vote for the ""wrong"" parties.",2024-06-09 19:52:21,"surprise, joy, anger, disgust, fear, neutral, sadness, neutral, disgust, surprise, joy, anger, fear, disgust, neutral, surprise, fear, anger, disgust, surprise, joy, fear, sadness, disgust, fear"
2024 European Parliament election in Germany,1dch7ya,8217,"Title: 2024 European Parliament election in Germany

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Fans of Cold War history may have seen this map somewhere else before...
Berliner :chuckles: ""I'm in danger""
Literally everyone has seen this map somewhere else before. Because thats the map for everything in Germany
What is the white blob in Saxony?
The four areas of Germany: Former West Germany, former East Germany, big cities, and Bremen.
Wow I didn't know west east divide is still extremely relevant
Probably not yet approved numbers. Whatever is the data basis of the map
A reminder that soil doesn't vote, people do. The small green places do hold a lot of voters.
For that, most interesting is to see Dresden and München who voted like their environment.


Edit: Because people assumed I'm American, I'm not. I'm Dutch. The logic still applies to NL and DE. Seen people reason that certain parties won by a land slide with the argument: just look at the map.
I've also driven through DDR, or now the eastern part of DE. It's empty for my feeling, especially if you are used to ruhrgebiet or NL
I lived in Berlin for 10 years and spent time in both former West and East Germany. Every time you ask someone from the West, they say the GDR at this thing from the past, so far away it’s almost insulting to bring it up. Meanwhile folks from the GDR still use terms like “Ossi” and “Wessi” all the time. My point is that the reunification may have happened on paper, but in reality East Germans have been largely told to figure it out, and the West assumed throwing money at them would solve the issue. This map is living proof that the wound has never healed.
Fans of other wars have seen this, too.
Right?  There are 35 year olds voting in the former DDR who don’t even remember a split country.
Even bigger cities like Dresden and Leipzig.
Edit: typo
The other commenter speculates. One of the major factors is that East Germany is a lot poorer than West Germany still, leading to a lot of frustration among East Germans.
Possibly interesting context. 

The divide never really went way. To this day Germany has different pension pay-outs based on state. Former DDR territories get less. Which isn't a cruel punishment but based on economic activity. Even today the pension is subsidised by the western states. 

And that is also kinda the key driver for the divide. When integrating the DDR into Germany, it wasn't done the same way as the creation of the BRD. With the Marshall plan and massive on site support providing a ton of help for economic growth and prosperity. Obviously also yielding huge amounts of support by voters. Who wouldn't want a better life?

Whereas the DDR regions were basically just thrown into the market economy to fend for themselves. The planned economy was not at all viable and major restructuring was necessary. This was done through an institution called the ""Treuhand"" (the word itself would be translated as ""trust"" but in practice it was a government agency restructuring and selling off everything). 

The proceeds were intended to bring the regions to the same standards as the west. But ultimately a lot of corruption happened, all the machines and stuff were sold off super cheap. Both the ""Treuhand"" and the purchasers were all from the west. So were the parties and their members that rushed in from the west. To many in the east it almost felt like a heist. Foreigners coming in, taking over control and taking everything away. Leaving behind low income jobs and not the greatest prospects. 

Economically it kinda just collapsed and never really went anywhere. Lowest GDP per capita, lowest salaries, highest unemployment and so on. 

So they very much feel the economically botched reunification to this day. And they doubly feel it because the age demographic in Germany overall means the mandatory social contributions increase noticably and the taxes also went up through CO2 taxes that were supposed to be paid back out to make sure people choose more climate friendly options and are financially rewarded for doing so. Rather than just being punished less. But that never happened either. 

It's not a great situation. And they somehow figured out that it's gotta be the migrants who are responsible for everything. Despite, ironically, having the lowest number of migrants in their states (around 5-6% whereas most western states have around 15%). 

Which is obviously silly and far right nonsense, going into extremist territories. But what isn't silly is the very real fear for their standard of living, the uncertainty regarding the economy and the personal instability that comes with such a situation.
Shhh.. the walls are listening.
Median income, median age, economics, politics, ...

Every map of Germany looks like this
To be honest, the reunification never really affected people from West Germany, besides a small additional tax and that they had to see the Bundesliga with very few teams from the former GDR in one year. Everyone was able to continue their regular life. For East Germans it heavily affected more than one generation. It was a massive change in politics, work, social and economical stuff. Mass unemployment, feeling unneeded and unwanted, having your biography reduced to GDR citizens and more. It was traumatic for many people and this trauma is still real.
I looked at Leipzigs results and the highest vote count went to ""other"" which was displayed white. So it might be that too https://www.leipzig.de/buergerservice-und-verwaltung/wahlen-in-leipzig/europawahlen/europawahl-2024
> Literally everyone has seen this map somewhere else

You're overestimating how many people outside the EU know what germany looks like on a map

on This sub we do know ofc
Well, Germany is not the US and most of it is rather densely populated. So the electoral loss of SPD, greens and libs is severe",2024-06-10 09:13:49,"surprise, anger, sadness, fear, disgust, neutral"
Map of 2024 European election results in France,1dchz3a,9004,"Title: Map of 2024 European election results in France

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Fun fact, the best department for RN is Mayotte with ~52% of the votes. Around 95% of Mayotte's population is muslim.
Just this sentence

> The Europe of Nations project is based on a central idea: power.

feels like from a villain speech
Le Macron is in le danger
Feels like this is just representative of deep political issues.
So france is just far right now?

What are RN's main goals, or objectives?

What does this mean to the EU?
Looks like the map of Hungary every election, welcome! Enjoy the ride!
A bit over 50%.

ETA : oh, mb, you meant in Mayotte ! Very, very low. About 15%.
This is bad, but why pretend it's surprising? 

Unsustainable immigration won't make me and probably won't make you vote for the far right, but it will make many people vote for the far right. It doesn't matter that we don't think it's the solution, it's still incredibly predictable, and the moderate elites should have been able to see something that simple as well. But they didn't, so now we have this.
Pretty ironic since a disunited Europe is far less powerful than a united one could be.
What the fuck, 15% is terrible
What was the voting attendance % in there?
nous sommes cooked
Let us cry just a little bit. Macron dissolved the Assembly, we vote in 3 weeks. Far Right may rule France in a mouth
If you understand the situation with Comoros it makes sense. The immigration crisis there makes the EU immigration crisis look like a joke 
In a nutshell, the comoros archipelago was once a french colony, but then they had a referendum for independence and only the island of mayotte decided to remain under french rule, time skip and now a lot of people from the other comoros islands are tryinf to get to mayotte so that they can get into france
In Croatia on national level we had 21% turnout. In national parliamentary election two months ago it was 62%. There are places where public doesn't care for EU parliament elections as they don't perceive them as relevant to their day-to-day lives.
Keep in mind, land doenst vote.

RN only got 30% of the vote.

Still not great, but not as bad as this pic implies
I sure hope we germans can get our shit together before our map looks like this too...
Le Macron just seems to have noticed that.
A lot of sensationalist comments.

The immigration crisis in Europe in general is a well established topic that is there for 20 years now and, surprise surprise, the parties that more talked about that won the elections or increased their parties.

The more people will consider right wing as stupid and more they will get votes.
Stop being antidemocratic and start the dialogue on topics that matter on people:
- anti immigration / limit immigration
- defence/security
- economy

The left did exactly nothing, they appeased the dictatorships in EU and they left immigrats coming into Europe without a plan.

Also I see a lot of dumb comments here.
The center right is not far right and not all rights are the same, mostly are pro-Europe, pro-nato and against autocraties.

Stop with this hysteria and start talk and discussing with your citizens on what is the problem and how to solve it.

This is democracy and not just one single point of view winning over and over and then cry that the population got tired of them.",2024-06-10 10:07:29,"joy, anger, sadness, surprise, disgust, neutral, fear, sadness, anger, disgust, surprise, neutral, anger, sadness, anger, disgust, surprise, neutral, anger, sadness, anger, disgust, surprise, neutral, anger,"
Voter turnout in 2024 European elections based on European Parliament provisional data,1de6t10,4500,"Title: Voter turnout in 2024 European elections based on European Parliament provisional data

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That's a turnout of \~34% in Bulgaria for combined General Elections + European Elections. Send help.
Voting is mandatory in Belgium!
Croatians on Dust 2 planting the bomb.
If I do, will the help actually reach you or be swiped by a politician on the way?
It's also mandatory in Bulgaria 🤣 no penalty however if you don't vote.
I know it was a third election in less than a year, but seeing Poland's turnout be this low feels a bit sad.
21.34% just means that my vote has more meaning 🙂

There is always a positive side, the less people vote the more impact your vote has.
People in red countries still don't understand that they can contribute to EU by sending correct representatives. They just see the decisions of EU as an order from above and take it for granted.
Damn lol, Finland woke up today & chose violence. 

Not that you're wrong...
We spent all of our energy voting in the parliamentary elections last month.
We broke a record in Slovenia, it's never been this high for EU elections.
r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT
That's not surprising. Euroelection always get lower turnout. It's not a Polish-specific problem as this map showcases too
Shitting on the EU but not actually doing anything that would change the EU is more fun /s
And morale is pretty low because of the result of those elections
Shocking, I can understand the low turnout for the European elections as we've seen across Europe over many years. But I don't understand why it's so low for the General Election, what's going on.
I dont think so. If people who dont care about voting often do not know and care about politics. It is better to keep them away from the ballot.
Same here, by law there is a penalty though, but last person that got persecuted for not voting here was in 2003.
Luxembourg too.

Should be everywhere. Those numbers are shameful.
5th general election in the past 3 years. Also we had a round of local elections (with a second round for mayors who didn't get 50% in the first round) and a presidential election (also with a second round). That's 9 votes in 3 years. People are sick of voting.",2024-06-12 13:34:55,"sadness, joy, anger, surprise, neutral, disgust, neutral, joy, sadness, neutral, joy, joy, neutral, surprise, sadness, neutral, neutral, sadness, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral"
CMV: People shouldn't vote for Donald Trump in the 2024 election because he tried to overturn the results of the 2020 election,1dek023,1521,"Title: CMV: People shouldn't vote for Donald Trump in the 2024 election because he tried to overturn the results of the 2020 election

Body: Pretty simple opinion here. 

Donald Trump tried to overturn the results of the 2020 election. That's not just the Jan 6 riot, it's his efforts to submit fake electors, have legislatures overturn results, have Congress overturn results, have the VP refuse to read the ballots for certain states, and have Governors find fake votes. 

This was bad because the results weren't fraudulent. A House investigation, a Senate investigation, a DOJ investigation, various courts, etc all have examined this extensively and found the results weren't fraudulent.

So Trump effectively tried to overthrow the government. Biden was elected president and he wanted to take the power of the presidency away from Biden, and keep it himself. If he knew the results weren't fraudulent, and he did this, that would make him evil. If he genuinely the results were fraudulent, without any evidence supporting that, that would make him dangerously idiotic. Either way, he shouldn't be allowed to have power back because it is bad for a country to have either an evil or dangerously idiotic leader at the helm. 

So, why is this view not shared by half the country? Why is it wrong?

""_______________________________________________________""

EDIT: Okay for clarity's sake, I already currently hold the opinion that Trump voters themselves are either dangerously idiotic (they think the election *was* stolen) or evil (they support efforts to overthrow the government). I'm looking for a view that basically says, ""Here's why it's morally and intellectually acceptable to vote for Trump even if you don't believe the election was stolen and you don't want the government overthrown.""

EDIT 2: Alright I'm going to bed. I'd like to thank everyone for conversing with me with a special shoutout to u/seekerofsecrets1 who changed my view. His comment basically pointed out how there are a number of allegations of impropriety against the Dems in regards to elections. While I don't think any of those issues rise nearly to the level of what Trump did, but I can see how someone, who is not evil or an idiot, would think otherwise.

I would like to say that I found some of these comments deeply disheartening. Many comments largely argued that Republicans are choosing Trump because they value their own policy positions over any potential that Trump would try to upend democracy. Again. This reminds me of the David Frum quote: ""If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy."" This message was supposed to be a negative assessment of conservatives, not a neutral statement on morality. We're not even at the point where conservatives can't win democratically, and yet, conservatives seem to be indicating they'd be willing to abandon democracy to advance conservatism.

EDIT 3: Alright, I've handed out a second delta now to u/decrpt for changing my view back to what it originally was. I had primarily changed my view because of the allegation that Obama spied on Trump. However, I had lazily failed to click the link, which refuted the claim made in the comment. I think at the time I just really wanted my view changed because I don't really like my view.

At this point, I think this CMV is likely done, although I may check back. On the whole, here were the general arguments I received and why they didn't change my view:

1. *Trump voters don't believe the election was stolen.*

When I said, ""People should not vote for Donald Trump,"" I meant both types of ""should."" As in, it's a dumb idea, and it's an evil idea. You shouldn't do it. So, if a voter thought it was stolen, that's not a good reason to vote for Donald Trump. It's a bad reason.

2. *Trump voters value their own policy preferences/self-interest over the preservation of democracy and the Constitution.*

I hold democracy and the Constitution in high regard. The idea that a voter would support their own policy positions over the preservation of the system that allows people to advance their policy positions is morally wrong to me. If you don't like Biden's immigration policy, but you think Trump tried to overturn the election, you should vote Biden. Because you'll only have to deal with his policies for 4 years. If Trump wins, he'll almost certainly try to overturn the results of the 2028 election if a Dem wins. This is potentially subjecting Dems to eternity under MAGA rule, even if Dems are the electoral majority.

3. *I'm not concerned Trump will try to overturn the election again because the system will hold.*

""The system"" is comprised of people. At the very least, if Trump tries again, he will have a VP willing to overturn results. It is dangerous to allow the integrity of the system to be tested over and over. 

4. *Democrats did something comparable*

I originally awarded a delta for someone writing a good comment on this. I awarded a second delta to someone who pointed out why these examples were completely different. Look at the delta log to see why I changed my view back. 

Finally, I did previously hold a subsidiary view that, because there's no good reason to vote for Donald Trump in 2024 and doing so risks democracy, 2024 Trump voters shouldn't get to vote again. I know, very fascistic. I no longer hold that view. There must be some other way to preserve democracy without disenfranchising the anti-democratic. I don't know what it is though.

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I want to be utterly clear here that I am simply presenting the following statement as a response to your CMV and I do not whatsoever hold this view.

One of the key policies that differentiate Trump versus Biden in 2024 will be the continued fallout from the Dobbs decision. A Biden presidency will never sign into law any restriction on abortion. A Trump presidency is likely to do so. At minimum, the Trump DOJ would not pursue any federal court actions to defend laws that support abortion or to combat laws that restrict it.

If you believe, as a statistically significant number of people do, that abortion is the murder of innocent babies and you see a Biden presidency as an outcome that leads to thousands or millions more babies murdered, you could easily dismiss the concerns about his anti-democratic efforts in 2020. In fact, you could easily find yourself believing that such actions were worthwhile in the spirit of trying to protect the unborn. If you thought one candidate was killing babies and the other one was not, you would probably enthusiastically advocate for them to lie and cheat and steal their way into office to save the babies.

Your post inherently assumes that the person who is voting prioritizes democracy over any other policy position they hold. But the person you vote for qualifies themselves in your mind in aggregate of all of the things you care about. Hell, maybe you are just a greedy SOB and you don’t care if he hacked every voting system in the nation if it gets you a fat tax cut and helps you make your next billion dollars. Your morality might already be at a point where caring about 2020 isn’t on the table to begin with.

(Again, none of that is my point of view. But it’s CMV so what are ya gonna do.)
I hate this but it's the best argument I've read, I can see people legitimately thinking like this
That comment explains why I don’t like most pro abortion arguments. They’re never aimed at the people whose mind needs to be changed. If someone thinks abortion is equivalent to murder, then A LOT of pro abortion arguments aren’t very persuasive
if one truly, honestly thinks that abortion is killing babies- *no argument* will be effective. it’s an impossible goal
I want to express one thing that might change this simple opinion. Most people are not absolutists in their morality nor are they absolutists when it comes to certain freedoms.

For example, while a ton of 2A gun people might want more guns to be available, if we see a rampant rise in LGBTQ+Guns becoming a thing, they may distance themselves from guns out of fear of association of being seen as gay. Then they might not be so 2A vocal. Some, however, don't care about the new image and are actually 2A absolutists.

You may be Pro-Choice, but if you see a medical group actually advertising how painful babies are- and to abort them without a limit using their free clinic with little-to-no paperwork, you might get a lot of people who are normally Pro-Choice riled up. 

So if you're saying that Trump shouldn't be voted for because of a single event or a belief you hold (i.e. he's a bad president), then you're already on a biased side. The same people who you say shouldn't vote for Trump will say the same thing about Biden (economy, border security, foreign affairs, Hunter, etc.). If your defense to all of those is, ""yes, but Trump is worse"", it becomes a pissing contest at that point.

I would argue that a vast majority of Trump voters aren't necessarily Trump-specific voters. Most are staunch Republicans or Anti-Biden at this point. Visa versa, I know plenty of Democrat voters who dislike both parties but dislike Biden marginally less.

I have a hard time meeting someone who genuinely believes that any presidential candidate is ""good"".
I work with several die hard Trump voters (middle of deep blue LA of all places) and their mistrust of democrats is HUGE.  They are pretty certain the left is coming for them just as much as the left is worried about things like Jan 6th.  

Take this current topic/thread for example.  It started by declaring Trump dangerous and a threat to the transfer of power (let's call it a threat to democracy).  Then, not halfway through the thread was a call to disenfranchise Trump voters by finding a way to ban or exclude them from voting (a threat to dempcracy from the other side).  The Trump voters live on that stuff and point to it as a reason to have ""their guy"" in power because if left (no pun intended) to the other side they'd steal their votes (which is what Trump claimed).  Or take their guns, or outlaw their religions, or talk their kids into alternative lifestyles, or, or, or....

They vote for him because you and your rhetoric are scarier to them than whatever he's done.  It's tribal.  Their guy is safe, whereas yours is dangerous. 

Might not change your view, but it seems to be where the Trump voters I've talked with tend to land.
I’ve personally trained a handful of women and several members of the (very visibly) LGBTQ community in firearms safety and use on the range. Helped a few purchase their first (and subsequent) guns. Nobody has ever cared around where I lived (in two states, one blue and one red). 

Matter of fact, I’ve worked with more people that were non white and non male than I have with whites and males. 

I’ve never seen anyone from the gun community care about what they identify as or who they wanted to love. Matter of fact, we got a lot of help on the range a few times from crusty old white dudes in punisher shirts and NRA hats. 

I’m not saying those people don’t exist, I’m just saying the people who are 2A people care about teaching and sharing in their commonalities overall, rather than nitpicking the differences.

Also, the amount of liberal gun owners is enough to have their own sub, so I guess there’s that too.
I see this response a lot on CMV. And I'm always a bit confused by it. I'm not necessarily here because I *want* my view changed. I'm here because I'm *open* to having my view changed. 

That being said, I do kind of want this view changed. It is deeply unsettling to me that half the country is willing to vote for Trump after he did this. My current conclusion is that they actually *want* someone evil or dangerously idiotic in the oval office. It makes me sad to have such a low opinion of half the country.
>So if you're saying that Trump shouldn't be voted for because of a single event or a belief you hold (i.e. he's a bad president), then you're already on a biased side.

The issue isn't that they have a different opinion. And the issue isn't just that I think he's a bad president. The issue is that he tried to overturn election results and take power that wasn't given to him. I can see how a person could put to the side the fact that he was held liable for rape and fraud. I could see how a person wouldn't mind that he's an idiot. I could see why a person wouldn't have an issue with his racism. All these things are just ""being a bad guy."" But attempting to overthrow the government is an attempt to be a dictator. He could just repeatedly do that to always have a supporter in power. He tried to end democracy. Isn't that a different level of ""bad?""
Yeah, so i can second this, generally, about gun people. I went to the range with a friend for his birthday during the Hillary/Trump run-up. He's conservative, I'm progressive. I'd never handled a firearm in my life.

They were talking shit about Hillary, until my buddy said something like, ""Alright, guys, my buddy's pretty liberal"" and they couldn't apologize enough. ""Aw man, I didn't mean nothing by it, you want me to get rid of those Zombie Hillary targets, replace 'em with something else?""

As we were leaving, he pulled me aside and apologized again. ""I really don't like making people uncomfortable, and I'm passionate about guns. Please don't let my bullshit turn you off, brother, you're always welcome man, I promise."" And it was true. Went back a few times, and it was clear they cared more about the gun stuff than they did the politics. They just wanted to teach me stuff.
Whilst I do somewhat agree with you, your position is... well, it's murder, but the murder is okay in certain circumstances.

A very strong case can be made under this position for medically necessary abortions. Someone is going to die, the mother should obviously be prioritised.

But rape/incest/defects? You're justifying either murder for the sake of eugenics or murder because the mother was assaulted/slept with a family member.

I feel that if your position stems from abortion being murder of a life, only abortion for medical sake is valid. Everything else is allowing someone to commit a murder because they were wronged by someone other than the victim of this murder.

So clearly, abortion *isn't* seen as murder if you're okay with it in cases of rape, so what's the actual underlying position?

(Any direct language here like 'you' is the proverbial hypothetical holder of these positions, not you yourself)
i gave your link a (quick) look, and while i’m admittedly pretty entertained by the creative metaphors it seems to just be an elaborate argument in favor of bodily autonomy- which is essentially what every pro-choice argument is at its core.

however, those who are anti-abortion typically place a special level of value on the hypothetical baby- it’s the picture of innocence more so than a violinist or a massive monster baby in a house. in such a case even acknowledging the personhood of the baby but arguing that you shouldn’t have to give up your own body and rights to bring life to it often doesn’t work simply because you’ll be viewed as selfish and they will say you are responsible for doing what is necessary for the baby. especially if they view you (or your supposed irresponsible actions) as being the reason for the baby’s existence to begin with.

so to advance the metaphor, if you were the cause of that violinist’s terminal illness, accidentally or otherwise, a non insignificant amount of people would argue it is your duty to sustain their life even at the expense of your own autonomy temporarily.

ETA in reality, we know that even if you hit someone with your car and they need a kidney to survive as a result, the law would not mandate that you give them yours, but it is difficult to apply that rationality to an abortion argument due to the emotional weight of “but it’s a baby!”
It’s not my point about the Right as a whole. There are Republicans who do not vote on abortion. The Ohio referendum is a great example, it passed with more votes than there are Democrats in the state, so it had R votes.

But when your CMV is that people generally shouldn’t vote for him because of 2020, I gave you one reason why some people will set that aside as it isn’t a higher priority than the one that motivates them to vote.

Democracy is *your* highest prerogative. For some people, their faith is. For others, their bank balance is. For others still, their hate is.

There will absolutely be a non-zero number of people who will vote for Trump explicitly because he will support Bibi turning the Gaza Strip into a parking lot. For them, his anti-Democratic bent is again not an outweighing factor.
It would be difficult but not impossible. There’s some arguments for (limited) abortion that acknowledge the premise a fetus has the same right to life as an adult. 

See [Judith Thompson’s Violinist argument in ""A Defense of Abortion""](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Defense_of_Abortion)
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""Im looking for a view that says its acceptable to vote for Trump even if you dont want the election overthrown""

Can it not be as simple as ""Biden has been a shit President, and life was better in 2019 than it is now""? Is that not a reasonable view people are allowed to have? Like big picture type stuff. Biden ran on ""Im not Trump, im gonna fix his fuckups"", and for the vast majority of people in most ways, things have gotten worse. Is that not a reasonable take for a lot of people to have?


I'd like to, in good faith, challenge some of your points and ask that you elaborate on some points:

**I ask that you elaborate on:**

Your views/opinion on why turning over title 9 is good (not challenging your position on this, would just like your POV).

Which of his policies algin with your personal views and how they will be a net benefit (again, not challenging your position on this, would just like your POV).

What you view the threat that Biden poses to be greater than Trump possibly doing something idiotic (and also what, in your opinion, has he done that *is* idiotic)

**I will challenge:**

*First: Hope that he would decrease deficit spending*

I challenge this by presenting an argument that his economic policy would actually *increase* deficit spending, not decrease it. The tax cuts he passed were skewed to top earners in the US, increase the deficit by $1.9 trillion over 10 years, and did not return on it's promises for the majority of those that made below $114,000. See the link below for my source. It's long, but a quality read.

[https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver](https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver)

*Second: Hopefully is pro oil stance brings gas back down to $2 a gallon*

Biden already has a rather pro-oil stance, maybe at the behest of some of his base. The United States has become *the* top exporter of fossil energies, pumping more than even SA and Russia. The reason gas hasn't dropped to $2 a gallon, and never will not matter who is President (in my opinion), is because US gas and oil is still connected to global markets. Just because we produce enough to be completely energy independent and self-sufficient doesn't mean US-drilled gas and oil is being used solely by Americans. It gets sold, shipped, and used by the rest world too. Oil companies do not have any particular affinity for any country, only money. They do not care about an energy independent US, only money. You will not get Oil corps to buy into ""America First"" to reduce gas prices. Trump's apparent ""pro-oil"" stance would, therefore, not drop gas prices to $2 for the long term. Also, the natural inflation of currency (plus the inflation we see now) will prevent a drop to $2.

[https://usafacts.org/articles/is-the-us-energy-independent/](https://usafacts.org/articles/is-the-us-energy-independent/)

[https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545](https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545)

*Third: Hopefully decreasing illegal immigration and reforming asylum claims*

It was the GOP (and Trump has he held/hold considerable sway over the GOP) that continuously shoot down border bills that could have slashed illegal immigration and managed asylum claims. Now, if you want to argue that we should be harsher on asylum cases, there is a discussion to be had there. However, it is a fact that the proposed border bills by the Biden Administration would have cut down on illegal immigration as it is defined by the United States government.

[https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-unveils-118-billion-bipartisan-bill-tighten-border-security-aid-2024-02-04/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-unveils-118-billion-bipartisan-bill-tighten-border-security-aid-2024-02-04/)

[https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republicans-kill-border-bill-sign-trumps-strength-mcconnells-waning-in-rcna137477](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republicans-kill-border-bill-sign-trumps-strength-mcconnells-waning-in-rcna137477)

This is strictly my opinion based on how the GOP has acted in the house over the last 4 years, but they are not interested in solving the border crisis. It is an excellent political tool, and beyond presidential executive orders, they have routinely failed to pass meaningful legislation through the house and solve the problem (other than dead on arrival bills that they know would fail, to pass the visage that they ""tried"").
If someone thinks abortion is murder, they would have to be morally bankrupt to accept the most populous state in the country allowing it.
The generic, most common liberal position does not believe that abortion should be legal up until birth. Claiming that the majority of democrats believe in abortion until 5 minutes before birth is creating a strawman. The most frequently advocated liberal policy position is legal abortion until fetal viability as outlined in Roe v Wade. 
So I’m a conservative, or well more of a right leaning libertarian, but I didn’t vote in 2016 and then reluctantly voted for him in 2020. And I’ll vote for him in 2024.

The most charitable read for his actions is that he needed an alternate slate of electors submitted before the safe harbor dead line. That way IF any of the law suits panned out there would be an alternate slate that could be easily slotted in. There is actually some precedent for this.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/07/1960-electoral-college-certificates-false-trump-electors-00006186

This was the same exact scenario of alternate electors. Ultimately the alternate electors were chosen after the re count was completed.

Where Trump went off the rails was when he attempted to use the alternate electors as a means to invalidate both slates…. That was insane and absolutely abhorrent. I won’t defend him on that. Thankfully our institutions held.

I don’t believe that the 2020 election was “stolen.” I don’t believe that votes where swapped or stuffed or that the machines where hacked or whatever. It’s all nonsense. I do believe that there’s an argument that it was “rigged.” 

There’s a decent argument that the FBI pressuring social media companies to bury the laptop was unconstitutional: 

https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/testimony-reveals-fbi-employees-who-warned-social-media-companies-about-hack

That the changes to voter laws due to Covid where unprecedented and in some cases illegal 

https://www.spotlightpa.org/news/2022/01/pennsylvania-mail-voting-unconstitutional-supreme-court-appeal/

Ultimately the republicans got caught with their pants down and got out played as the rules changed.

I wish Trump had left with dignity….

But as to why I’ll vote for him again. It’s a risk calculation, I view the threat that Biden poses to be greater than Trump possibly doing something idiotic again. Because ultimately nothing actually happened.

Trumps policy much more aligns with my personal policy prescriptions and I believe that his policies will have a net benefit on me and my families lives.

From over turning title 9 reform 

https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/us-department-education-releases-final-title-ix-regulations-providing-vital-protections-against-sex-discrimination#:~:text=Every%20student%20deserves%20educational%20opportunity,activities%20receiving%20federal%20financial%20assistance.

Hopefully decreasing illegal immigration and reforming asylum claims 

Hopefully is pro oil stance brings gas back down to $2 a gallon 

Hopefully he decreases the deficit spending while we’re in an inflationary period.

He’s by far not my first, second or even third choice…. But he’s all I have",2024-06-12 22:52:29,"anger, disgust"
"You are offered the opportunity to cancel the 2024 U.S. presidential election and hand-pick the next president, but everyone else in the country will know you did so.",1dhdnq3,1307,"Title: You are offered the opportunity to cancel the 2024 U.S. presidential election and hand-pick the next president, but everyone else in the country will know you did so.

Body: A team of lawyers gravely explain to you that through some weird loophole or misprint in federal election law, you personally have the power to cancel the upcoming presidential election and choose the next president. It only applies to the 2024 election. It’s already been confirmed by the Supreme Court as being legally ironclad.

If you decide to take the deal, you can choose anyone, whether they’re a registered candidate or not (assuming they accept the position). If they don’t, you can keep choosing until someone accepts. You cannot choose yourself.

Once you choose, though, it will be announced in a televised press conference. The media circus will begin a few minutes thereafter. You will be identified as the person who chose.

EDIT: If you do decide to go through with it, the person you choose would select their vice president. They could tell you ahead of time who it would be, but they’d be under no legal obligation to actually stick to that choice once they’re president.

EDIT 2: All other presidential eligibility rules apply. You can’t choose Vladimir Putin or a 17-year-old kid or anything like that.

Top Comments:
In a heartbeat.
Weird Al. Who is not going to like a weird al presidency?
I would do it, and I'd choose my wife since I can't choose myself. She shares my values and she gets shit done.
Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho
Not with my brilliant pick. They'd add me to Mt Rushmore.
Jon Stewart. I think he'd do his best and hate every minute of it the whole time
I pick Dolly Parton.  No one’s murdering me for that call.
90% of the world's population would be better than these 2 geezer ass clowns. That's low hanging fruit at this point.
You’d get murdered. 
sounds like a good way to end up on a lot of hit lists, no thanks
Absolutely - in 50 years I’m deemed a hero. I also immediately hire a ghostwriter and sell my book shortly for a fortune
You just learned how the country is run congrats lol
Brilliant. Free secret service protection too!
I for one welcome our new weird overlord
I'd do it in a second to spare my country from 4 more years of Trump or Biden, and I'd name Dolly Parton president. I trust her to do the right thing for the American people a lot more than any of the career politicians put there. And who could be mad about President Dolly Parton?!
I will pick the national winner of a ranked choice election.
vermin supreme

The ONLY sane choice.
I mean shit Terry Crews would not be a bad choice either.
I'm choosing a Golden Retriever.
NAH FUCK THAT, GIVE IT TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER",2024-06-16 18:17:13,"joy, excitement, surprise, humor, fear, disgust, anger, hope, admiration, neutrality"
"Tenacious D to Play ""Rock the Vote"" Concerts Ahead of 2024 U.S. Presidential Election",1dppbw6,2940,"Title: Tenacious D to Play ""Rock the Vote"" Concerts Ahead of 2024 U.S. Presidential Election

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Top Comments:
All swing state dates! Thats fucking teamwork!
I hope they play ""The government totally sucks"".
![gif](giphy|aZmD30dCFaPXG)
Lmao that poster is hilarious, their balls are on the liberty bell
This song is for the people in the streets, not the people in city hall
You're asking the wrong questions man.

Will they shred?
That's cool with me. Indiana's not my favorite. But I'll do it for you.
Indiana isn’t a swing state, but I’ll take it!
Brother there are 18 year olds that will vote in this election that weren't even born when pick of destiny came out.
![gif](giphy|RqkSfihIEFIqc)
But does Tenacious D's demographic actually meaningfully intersect the target demographic for voter registration?
Wow. I went to their concert like 10 years ago and it was amazing. At the end of the concert a giant inflatable penis was on stage blowing thousands of tiny paper sperm when Jack and Kyle's face on them.
You just turned my brain into shit
Well, young democrats are pretty infamous for not voting, aren't they? But I guess The D probably skews a bit older these days.
Ye Olde Teabag
I feel like Tenacious D has a pretty wide demographic because of Jack Black, so I would say yes.
Third decree

No more rich people and poor people

From now on, we'll all be the same

Um, I don't know, I gotta think about that
That's why we need to vote, man. The government sucks less when you vote in people that suck less (or keep people that suck more out, in this case.)
I saw them do this in 2008. Jack Black said ""I'm can't tell you who to vote for, but it rhymes with 'yo mama'""
Ya muthafucka...

The government totally sucks.",2024-06-27 11:48:01,"joy, anger, surprise, disgust, neutral, joy, sadness, neutral, joy, disgust, joy, sadness, joy, joy, joy, sadness, joy, joy, sadness, joy, sadness, joy, joy, anger, joy,"
Discussion Thread: First US Presidential General Election Debate of 2024 Between Joe Biden and Donald Trump,1dq5s2f,12308,"Title: Discussion Thread: First US Presidential General Election Debate of 2024 Between Joe Biden and Donald Trump

Body: Tonight's debate will begin at 9 p.m. Eastern.  It will be moderated by CNN anchors Jake Tapper and Dana Bash.  There will be no audience, and the candidates' microphones will be muted at the end of the allotted time for each response.  The next presidential debate will be hosted by ABC and take place on September 10th, while the vice presidential debate has not yet been scheduled.  

**Analysis**

- AP: [How the Biden-Trump debate could change the trajectory of the 2024 campaign](https://apnews.com/article/bidentrumppresidentialdebate-0e7577e9a354a69f50675494fea54ca9)

- 538 via ABC: [Who Will Win The First Biden-Trump Presidential Debate? | We’re partnering with Ipsos to poll voters before and after the candidates take the stage.](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-trump-june-debate-poll/)

**Live Fact Checking**

- Politifact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: CNN’s Biden-Trump debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-cnns-biden-trump-debate)

- CBS: [Trump and Biden's first presidential debate of 2024, fact checked](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/first-presidential-debate-2024-fact-check/)

**Live Updates**

[The Associated Press](https://apnews.com/live/presidential-debate-2024-updates), [NPR](https://www.npr.org/live-updates/trump-biden-presidential-debate-2024), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/cnn-debate-trump-biden-06-27-24/index.html), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/presidential-debate-trump-biden-live-updates-rcna157191), [ABC and 538](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/Biden-Trump-first-2024-presidential-debate/?id=111366511), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/first-presidential-debate-2024-trump-biden/), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/06/27/presidential-debate-live-updates/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/27/us/biden-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/27/presidential-debate-between-trump-biden-live-updates.html), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/06/27/trump-biden-debate-live-updates/74195213007/), [BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c88800k2njkt), [Axios](https://www.axios.com/2024/06/27/biden-trump-cnn-presidential-debate-2024-election), [The Hill](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4741868-trump-biden-presidential-debate-2024-live/), and [The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jun/27/supreme-court-decision-politics-trump-biden-debate-latest-updates) will all be live-blogging the debate.

**Where to Watch**

- PBS NewsHour via YouTube: [Biden and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of CNN’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n89KRvz6Tdw)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - CNN Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?536407-1/simulcast-cnn-presidential-debate)

- CBS via YouTube: [Biden and Trump face off in first 2024 presidential debate, hosted by CNN](https://www.youtube.com/live/XxAU0K94fpw) (Will include commentary before the debate).

- The Washington Post via YouTube: [CNN presidential debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFHkVxhKbE8) (Stream has closed captioning).

- PBS NewsHour via YouTube: [What happened in the first Biden-Trump debate of 2024 | PBS News Special](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba6wGGFhBkY) (Will begin after the debate concludes and include commentary).

- CBS via YouTube: [Trump-Biden presidential debate highlights and analysis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdAFRVy9BnU)

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#Post-debate thread

Can be found here, and hopefully is less buggy than the thread before: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1dq932e/discussion_thread_first_us_presidential_general/

Top Comments:
I’m in my early 30s. I remember Howard Dean being essentially disqualified for yelling YEAHH during his campaign. I remember the Al Gore and Bush Florida debacle. Now, it feels like we are living in a fever dream compared to those days.
The fact that there's no fact check on ""after-birth abortion"" (which is murdering a baby) is infuriating.
""I did not have sex with a porn star""

Things you never thought you'd hear in a presidential debate.
Trump just said, ""Putin told me his dream is to invade Ukraine.""
“This was his dream i talked to him about it”

Trump about Putin invading Ukraine

Probably most truthful thing he said tonight
Trump was asked about climate change and gave an answer about police and black people loving him
Biden: “Trump you molested a women and had sex with a pornstar”

Trump: “I never had sex with a pornstar!!”
Omfg….no one fucking kills a baby after it’s born.  That is NOT an abortion.
Fun reminder that Trump tried to steal the 2020 election and the fact that he's treated like a regular candidate is utterly fucking insane
""I didn't have sex with a porn star."" He paid her 6 figures, had her sign an NDA and DIDN'T have sex with her? I thought he was good at making deals lol
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Al Gore was heavily criticized for audibly sighing a few times during the debate with George W. Bush.
I've been watching some CBS on youtube, and the way they are normalizing Trump just as if he is a regular candidate is maddening.

Its like the last 6 years have just been erased from history.

""Oh he is goin to come on here and talk about his policies, and people prefer him because he can deliver on crime"" etc. Like what the fuck
Can we get some fact checkers on ""after birth abortion"", because I'm like 69% sure that's just regular garden variety murder and doesn't happen.
He just said I talked to Putin about his plan
  
He said this was Putin's dream
  
He said it on the tv
Trump denying having sex with Stormy Daniels but not being a molester. Great priorities
""You have the morals of an alley cat."" That made me cackle!
Someone could aim a howitzer at my head but I’m still voting for President Biden in November. 

How any American voter could want that fucking criminal to be the President AGAIN is beyond ANY intelligent reasoning whatsoever. 

34 felony convictions 

54 pending criminal charges

2 impeachments

2 popular vote losses

$88M owed to E Jean Carroll

$450M owed for civil fraud

$8T added to nat'l debt

2.9M net loss of jobs

These is just a very small list of Trump’s massive fuck ups.
What I wouldn’t give for a real-time fact check. WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY
Incredibly so. Trump is a fucking lying sack of felonious shit and NO ONE is holding his feet to the fire like he is a not a normal person, which he absolutely is NOT: he's a TRAITOR TO THIS NATION.",2024-06-27 23:49:16,neutral
"Discussion Thread: First US Presidential General Election Debate of 2024 Between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, Post-Debate Discussion",1dq932e,3451,"Title: Discussion Thread: First US Presidential General Election Debate of 2024 Between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, Post-Debate Discussion

Body: Hi folks, Reddit has encountered some errors tonight and there was [a delay in comments appearing](https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/1dq8nga/we_are_aware_comments_are_currently_delayed_dont/).  Please use this thread for post-debate discussion of the debate.  [Here's the link to the live discussion thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1dq5s2f/discussion_thread_first_us_presidential_general/).

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Tonight's debate began at 9 p.m. Eastern.  It was moderated by CNN anchors Jake Tapper and Dana Bash.  There was no audience, and the candidates' microphones were muted at the end of the allotted time for each response.  The next presidential debate will be hosted by ABC and take place on September 10th, while the vice presidential debate has not yet been scheduled.  

**Analysis**

- AP: [How the Biden-Trump debate could change the trajectory of the 2024 campaign](https://apnews.com/article/bidentrumppresidentialdebate-0e7577e9a354a69f50675494fea54ca9)

- 538 via ABC: [Who Will Win The First Biden-Trump Presidential Debate? | We’re partnering with Ipsos to poll voters before and after the candidates take the stage.](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-trump-june-debate-poll/)

**Live Fact Checking**

- Politifact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: CNN’s Biden-Trump debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-cnns-biden-trump-debate)

- CBS: [Trump and Biden's first presidential debate of 2024, fact checked](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/first-presidential-debate-2024-fact-check/)

**Live Updates**

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**Where to Watch**

- PBS NewsHour via YouTube: [Biden and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of CNN’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n89KRvz6Tdw)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - CNN Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?536407-1/simulcast-cnn-presidential-debate)

- CBS via YouTube: [Biden and Trump face off in first 2024 presidential debate, hosted by CNN](https://www.youtube.com/live/XxAU0K94fpw) (Will include commentary before the debate).

- The Washington Post via YouTube: [CNN presidential debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFHkVxhKbE8) (Stream has closed captioning).

- PBS NewsHour via YouTube: [What happened in the first Biden-Trump debate of 2024 | PBS News Special](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba6wGGFhBkY) (Will begin after the debate concludes and include commentary).

- CBS via YouTube: [Trump-Biden presidential debate highlights and analysis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdAFRVy9BnU)

Top Comments:
The only winner tonight is the Voyager probe speeding away from Earth at 17km/sec.
We’re in danger
I like both candidates but I think we need somebody older
The people: Discussion thread! 

Reddit: I think not
Trump can talk but doesn’t always answer the question. Biden can’t talk but answers the question more often.
America lost that debate
My favorite part was Trump saying his cognitive test was the highest ever seen or some shit like that
History has shown a smooth talking liar will usually beat a rough talking truther. Biden looked and sounded weak. That’s what people will remember.
They should have been way harder on Trump for not answering the asked question.
We had a debate between the next two potential prime ministers in the UK with audience asked questions. 

One of the audience members got up and asked ""are you two really the best candidates we could find in this country?"" 

Everyone clapped. 

Seems like you guys are going through something similar.
I’d still vote for Biden even if he was on his death bed. Trump is just that bad.

But that performance tonight will not sit well with independents and never-Trump Republicans. And that has me worried for November.
The greatest thing Biden could have done for the country was to be a one-term president and let a new, energetic Democrat rise to the occasion, running off Biden's economy. Biden would go down in the history books as the president who led the country out of the Trump era. If he loses this election - and god is it looking likely now - he'll only be remembered as the one who couldn't keep Trump out of office. And Trump is going to be much, much worse this second time around.
That was a tough watch. Unfortunately, I’d rather vote for a walking corpse than a lying wannabe despot.
Both Biden and Trump had issues in this debate, but holy shit CNN didn't either bother moderating this after a whole damn month hyping this
I didn't think Trump honestly had a chance until tonight. We're so fucked
Yeah, they only give you a dementia test if your doctor thinks you might have dementia. Can’t believe people don’t constantly hammer him for bragging about passing such a test.
We should build two more fake White Houses and just stick these guys in them and tell them they’re president while the rest of us elect someone that’s halfway normal.
I tired boss, I don't want to be an american no more
That was downright embarrassing. What happened to us as a country? This just makes me sad for our future and my children’s future.
And they should have fact checked him, like CNN said they would.",2024-06-28 02:39:21,"disgust, sadness, anger, fear, surprise, neutral, anger, sadness, disgust, sadness, fear, disgust, sadness, anger, sadness, anger, disgust, sadness, anger, sadness, disgust, sadness, anger, sadness,"
US election 2024: trial by combat ,1dqy2d9,3071,"Title: US election 2024: trial by combat 

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Nothing communicates being in touch with the average American worried about their pocketbook and healthcare than two rich white dudes arguing about who is better at golf.
Biden's picture seems to be from 9 years ago
I get what you're saying but I think it misses the point of what Biden was saying. And it misses the point *to the point* that it's a little disingenuous. 

Biden *never* mentions golf beyond reference that I've seen. Not in metaphor or in conversation.

He was only talking about it because Trump is a golf cheat. Biden knows he doesn't play full games, work out, etc. That's why he challenged him to carry his clubs. It was an attack on his ego, and honestly it worked. It was one of the few bright spots of the night.

That and calling him a child.

Morals of an alley cat another lol
18 holes, no cart or caddy. Neither would survive and America would win.
I just looked up the clip and I don't think it's disingenuous or missing the point. There is no point. It's a stupid discussion point, regardless of who brought it up. Just because someone says something doesn't mean you have to respond, and there are far better ways for his point to have been made than bickering over his own handicap.
 
https://youtu.be/5VyAfQBV2_c
Yeah, the correct response is ""Trump is more concerned about his golf score than the American people. I don't care about a golf score. I care about working to help you - that's the job of the American president, and Trump doesn't understand that."".
Trump has already declared himself the winner without even playing. This wouldn't be the first time he's done that.
I don't know if he could hit a golf ball 20 yards currently.
Well sure, FDR had a higher handicap
I mean either of them could have beaten FDR when he was president, but that doesn’t make them a better president
That man could hardly walk off the stage without Jill holding his hand.  We must have not watch the same debate
This would prolly be better than Jake Paul v Mike Tyson, Netflix should pick this up.
Fucking embarrassing
The man looks like a walking corpse.  Trump would probably easily beat him in golf because he only plays it every other day for 70 years.
In the context of the full debate, the golf argument felt like one of the few times Biden perked up. It made it seem like he cared entirely too much about something entirely inconsequential.
Instead he said ≈“when I was vice president my handicap improved to a 6” 🤦‍♂️
First and only picture of Biden I’ve seen golfing, but I’ve seen dozens of Trump golfing.  Not gonna lie, if I was the potus, I’d find an excuse to golf every day. Good thing I’m Canadian. 
Meh, Biden had a chance there to say fuck that, we are here to debate policy and provide a vision for the country, not argue golf. He could have still made the mark asking if trump could even carry his own bag but the overall back and forth was worthless to the debate. 

Let's be honest. Nobody gives a shit about two old men comparing golf. It truly is one of the lamest conversations
Dude this doesn’t have to do with spin on a network. You can go WATCH the video of him walking off stage.
You mean he hasn’t been golfing his whole presidency? Does he even know how to President?",2024-06-29 00:00:54,"anger, disgust, neutral"
CMV: Michelle Obama would easily win the 2024 election if she chose to run and Biden endorsed her,1dugpl3,1600,"Title: CMV: Michelle Obama would easily win the 2024 election if she chose to run and Biden endorsed her

Body: A reuters pool came out yesterday that revealed Michelle Obama would beat Trump by 11 points. One noteworthy fact about this poll was that she was the only person who beat Trump out of everyone they inquired about (Biden, Kamala, Gavin, etc.) 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/as-dems-cast-the-search-light-looking-for-biden-alternatives-michelle-obama-trounces-trump-in-reuters-poll

Michelle Obama (obviously) carries the Obama name, and Barack is still a relatively popular president, especially compared to either Trump or Biden. 

Betting site polymarket gives Michelle a 5% chance to be the Democratic nominee, and a 4% chance to win the presidency, meaning betting markets likewise believe that she likely won't be president only because she doesn't want to run, not because she couldn't win. Even Ben Shapiro has said she should run and is the democrats best chance to win. 

My cmv is as follows- if Michelle Obama decided to run, and Biden endorsed her, she would have very strong (probably around 80%) odds of winning, as per betting markets. You can add on that I believe that no one else has higher odds of winning than she does. 







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>A reuters pool came out yesterday that revealed Michelle Obama would beat Trump by 11 points.

Polls about any Dem before the entire weight of the negative partisanship driven conservative media is pointless. Hillary as Secretary of State had high approvals, high favorability (was at 65%). I don't know why Dem leaning people  point to polls all the time without regard to the context or without contemplating what it really means. What it really means is Dems generically like Michelle and conservatives aren't outraged by her because she isn't in their media now. But, can she sustain it when she is?

>have very strong (probably around 80%) odds of winning

If you're talking about the popular vote, sure. But the electoral college is so skewed in favor of the Republicans that winning by millions of votes in the popular vote means you can still lose. See: Hillary. 

The question is could Michelle carry the working-class heavy counties like Macomb County in Michigan that Trump flipped? Would she take Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan?
Your whole view is based on the polls and the polls were wrong before with Trump. Why do you believe them now?
Why do you want this view changed? Michelle Obama said she wants nothing to do with politics, I see no reason to disbelieve her.
This is just not true. The earliest deadline for a major party candidate to get on the ballot is August 6th. Trump and Biden aren't even officially nominated yet.

> Wisconsin does not allow withdrawal from the ballot for any reason besides death.

That's fine, because Joe Biden is not yet on the ballot in Wisconsin.

> In Nevada, no changes can be made to the ballot after 5 p.m. on the fourth Friday in July of an election year

This is the deadline for independent candidates, not major party candidates.

> or 'a nominee dies or is adjudicated insane or mentally incompetent.'

That's fine, because Joe Biden is not yet on the ballot in Nevada

> If Biden were to withdraw less than 60 days before the election Georgia his name will remain on the ballot but no votes will be counted.

There are currently 125 days until the Presidential election. If Biden decides to withdraw, he will do it well before this 60 day deadline.

> In Texas, the two party's nominees have until the 74th day before the election to withdraw from the ballot.

There are currently 125 days until the Presidential election. If Biden decides to withdraw, he will do it well before this 74 day deadline.

> Some states, like South Carolina, do not allow candidates to withdraw for political reasons.

That's fine, because Joe Biden is not yet on the ballot in South Carolina.

Quit spreading nonsense.
>the polls were wrong before with Trump.


Do you think a 70% chance of winning is wrong if the result lands in the other 30%? It means the odds were beat, not that the odds were wrong.
So, let's get into the actual logistics of what happens if we replace Biden:

* We have to spend weeks or months dealing with the legality of campaign finance laws involved in transferring funds to a new candidate who didn't win a primary, and where the candidate did not die or become incapacitated due to some sort of emergency.

* Ballot access would be a real problem. The registration deadline has already passed in many states.

* Most importantly, this would give Trump a huge talking point. He'd be all over television crowing about how he got Joe Biden to retire from politics. It would play into his strongman image and energize his base. It would almost assuredly hand the election to him.
Wound up looking it up myself and you’re right, Hillary had very high approval ratings before her candidacy. 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/may/22/hillary-clinton/hillary-clintons-approval-rating-secretary-state-w/

It crashed rapidly from 2012 to 2016, and potentially, Michelle Obama might experience something similar and much more rapidly if she ran. So she may not trust her favorability to sustain itself as it’s not really that durable. 

I heard versions of this argument before but not many actual examples that made it clear that it’s a big concern for her, so I’ll award a !delta accordingly. 
I was at a talk that featured her in 2018 and someone asked her if she considered running. Her answer was that people dedicate their whole lives to governance and service and that she's got to see close up what that's like and how complicated it can be. She said she doesn't have the experience needed to do a good job and while she's glad people like her and is flattered at the question, because of those reasons she'll never run.

I found it refreshing for her to remind us that while it seems like a popularity contest to win an election you need yo understand how to govern if you want to do more than just that.
Wisconsin does not allow withdrawal from the ballot for any reason besides death.

In Nevada, no changes can be made to the ballot after 5 p.m. on the fourth Friday in July of an election year or 'a nominee dies or is adjudicated insane or mentally incompetent.'

If Biden were to withdraw less than 60 days before the election Georgia his name will remain on the ballot but no votes will be counted.

In Texas, the two party's nominees have until the 74th day before the election to withdraw from the ballot. Some states, like South Carolina, do not allow candidates to withdraw for political reasons.


Edit: meant July not June
This is curious to me, can you elaborate? What kinda of laws could be broken here? Any in swing states? 
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Sorry, how does this make sense when the Democrat primary hasn't actually finished yet?
No - that’s not what the person is referencing.

The 70/30 is the reference is the Nate Silver’s 538 model which gave Hilary a 70% chance of winning in 2016. It’s based on polling, specifically in swing states where the margin was all like 50.5 / 49.5 (actually like 48/47 due to high 3rd party turnout) and used the margin of error as a way to determine the probability of each candidate securing enough electoral votes to win.

Everyone dunked on Nate for being “wrong” when he was by far and away the only one who was remotely close to correct.
>So OP shouldn’t necessarily want their view changed, but rather to spur conversation around it.

That goes against this sub's rules
Polling was not wrong about Trump. Polling is not predictive. It has a margin of error and polls can have flaws. Pollsters themselves can have flaws with methodology. 

Talking heads were wrong about Trump's chances, not the polls. Polls are just data.

Pollsters on the aggregate gave Trump ~30% chance to win in 2016. That's a significant chance. People will take those odds. A 70% chance is not a sure thing by a long shot.
Polls have been fairly accurate at the popular vote level, even in 2016.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/12/05/which-was-the-most-accurate-national-poll-in-the-2016-presidential-election/

The 2016 polls projected a 1.6 popular vote advantage for Hillary Clinton. 

She lost because the race was much tighter in the swing states (something the polls also predicted) but the inaccuracy was correlated across all of them in favor of Trump. 

An 11 point popular vote difference would be an entirely different matter…

Now you could counter by saying we don’t have enough polls to really solidify that data yet, but I’d argue that, going off the polls, betting odds, and data available to us right now, it does look like a stomp for Michelle. 


 
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Clarifying question...

From that article (and many other sources):

><Obama> has said repeatedly she does not intend to run for president.

So... what's your point, exactly? Is this a ""fantasy football"" kind of view?

Furthermore: I see no evidence this was analyzed for the only thing that actually *matters*: how she would perform in swing states (and the electoral college in general). And it does not have statistical strength sufficient in those states to say anything about them. 

None of her votes in the nation's largest state of California, for example, matter worth shit. A democrat is going to win there no matter who is running.
Sorry to bomb you but I find this shit interesting. There's one point where Hillary beats Jeb by 12 points: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-gop-presidential-race-wide-open-hillary-clinton-leads-jeb-bush-in-theoretical-matchup/2014/04/29/44c75634-cfb9-11e3-b812-0c92213941f4\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-gop-presidential-race-wide-open-hillary-clinton-leads-jeb-bush-in-theoretical-matchup/2014/04/29/44c75634-cfb9-11e3-b812-0c92213941f4_story.html)

One thing -- and hope to not get you take back the delta -- is that Clinton has been a public figure for a long time and has favorability ratings rise and fall. 

But, 2015, the media kept running stories about her favorability/disfavorability so much that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Check out this in July 2014:   
[https://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2014/07/17/hillary-clinton-claims-title-of-best-liked-candidate-poll-finds](https://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2014/07/17/hillary-clinton-claims-title-of-best-liked-candidate-poll-finds)

But the headline of ""the two most unpopular candidates"" was a media creation that self-perpetuated. 

By July of 2015, just 1 year later, headlines like this emerge: [https://time.com/3977941/hillary-clinton-poll-trump/](https://time.com/3977941/hillary-clinton-poll-trump/)

The story did begin with the ""but her emails"" story.

  
Conservative Republicans have hated Michelle even when Barak was super popular: [https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2014/02/10/americans-like-michelle-obama-except-for-conservative-republicans/](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2014/02/10/americans-like-michelle-obama-except-for-conservative-republicans/)",2024-07-03 15:09:36,"joy, surprise"
"Count Binface, one of the official challengers of the current PM of the United Kingdom in the 2024 elections",1dv7pil,8570,"Title: Count Binface, one of the official challengers of the current PM of the United Kingdom in the 2024 elections

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lord buckethead has a brother?
It’s silly for sure but some of his policies are great.
I'd refuse to have a person who is \*literal\* trash be my PM. That's why I'd vote Count Binface instead of Rishi Sunak.
I like his realistic goal of building at least 1 affordable house.
>the hand dryer in the gents’ urinals at the crown & treaty, uxbridge to be moved to a more sensible position. 

Probably the most sensible policy out there, it really needs moving.
Sadly, Lord Buckethead was cancelled due to copyright infringements somewhere, so his equally capable brother Count Binface took over.
Ship that dude to the states.
Count Binface ran for London Mayor recently too. Got more votes than the Far-Right nominee.  💚
He’d have a good shot of winning over there, and even stranger than that he might be the best at the position
Well I don’t know about all that but locking MPs wages to nurses wages would be good to see
Yes some American put to stop to it. Sad twat.
The best part was seeing him storm off stage when the winner was announced shouting about how Sadiq Khan has destroyed London or whatever and he had to walk past a guy with a bin on his head who got more votes than him. Beautiful.
As a Brit, I only wish he was standing in my constituency.
Does he have an American cousin that can run for President across the pond?
Great, if he isn't elected, then it's another 4 years without that affordable house.
Knowing the Barrack *Hussein* Obama nonsense, I don’t think with someone with “bin” in the name stand a chance.
I believe you mean Lord bucket head was killed in the battle for Copyright IX. He was reincarnated as Binface and immediately elevated to gentry
They’re the same person! Apparently lord buckethead is character and he got done for copyright
That would probably be Vermin Supreme.

Edit to add: didn't know he was running as a Democrat this time. Would have wrote him in on my primary.
Did the musician Buckethead put and end to Lord Buckethead?",2024-07-04 14:03:49,"joy, surprise, disgust, neutral, sadness, anger"
Newly Liberal Wisconsin Supreme Court Reinstates Ballot Drop Boxes Ahead of 2024 Elections,1dvyfbr,3011,"Title: Newly Liberal Wisconsin Supreme Court Reinstates Ballot Drop Boxes Ahead of 2024 Elections

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Gotta love seeing the person I voted for having such a drastic and positive influence on things!
Good. No longer being able to just drop off my ballot like I did for *years* when I worked non-standard shifts was complete BS.
I live in MN now and we’ve been having this wild experience where we voted for people to do things and they’ve been doing all the positive things!  Crazy, right?!  Glad to see the same happening in my home state.
On Wisconsin! Let’s vote for the non felon ,child raping,  democracy destroying, orange sicko and send mustache man back to California.
Very specific complete BS meant to try to have fewer votes counted from people like you working non-standard shifts because of a guess that you would vote a certain way.
I should just ban you for telling election lies, but let's hear you out.

How is a drop box cheating when a mailbox is not?

Edit: as expected, no response. We all know that's because the elections were audited over and over absolutely no meaningful fraud happened. The large majority of the fraud that did occur with perpetrated by members of the Republican party.
> Wisconsin’s Republican-controlled Legislature — which also intervened in the lawsuit — averred that drop boxes are not permitted under state law and that the court should let the Teigen decision stand. In the Legislature’s view, overruling Teigen just two years after it was decided would flout the “well-established principles of stare decisis” — a legal doctrine stipulating that courts should adhere to precedent. 

> In line with the GOP Legislature’s arguments, the dissenting opinion — penned by conservative Justice Rebecca Grassl Bradley — maintained that the majority decision “tramples the doctrine of stare decisis” given that “[n]othing relevant has changed since this court decided Teigen two years ago.” Grassl Bradley, who was joined in dissent by the court’s two other conservative justices, accused the majority of trying to “advance its political agenda.” 

How convenient to cling to *stare decisis* when it suits you and easily discard it when it doesn't.
I'm not a Wisconsinite.

Love seeing the person I donated money to for having such a drastic and positive influence on things.

On, Wisconsin!
Weird how you can never prove this cheating despite being so confident in your claims.
Now how will the red chodes try to f it up
Bro that bleach you injected during covid is showing
Do you mean like when Kimberly Zapata requested military absentee ballots and then sent them to Republican state Rep. Janel Brandtjen, who was promoting false theories about election fraud? Because I’d think you, as a veteran, would be upset at the Wisco GOP at falsifying votes and using military members as the avenue for that fraud. That’s what you meant by cheating, right?
Cool, another one. While I should just ban you outright for telling election lies, I want to hear you out. Since I'm the only moderator around today, I'm going to go ahead and break the rules and abuse my ⚡ moderation power⚡!

Since you know about all these absentee ballots being printed, I'm sure you have evidence of where the serial numbers are coming from and how they're being entered into the election system. 

I look forward to your source. I'll give you, maybe an hour. We don't hear back with some facts I'll just go ahead and ban you for lying and trying to hurt america.

Difficulty: I'm educated on how clerks process and issue absentee ballots and know there is no way to inject fake ballots into drop boxes without being caught.  But I just want another comment to refer back to when people whining and cry that I just don't want to hear differing opinions. Bring on your facts or I'll bring on the ban.

Edit: I guess they couldn't do it.  Banned.
Thanks you for supporting us in defending the principles and ideals of our democratic system 🙂
Drop boxes?! Whats next, people just leaving their absentee ballots in a mailbox?!
Stupidest fucking take
It’s a great outcome but unfortunately I won’t be utilizing them this time. The Republicans have proven they will do anything and everything they can to fuck things up with our voting systems - including screwing with the USPS, filing bogus lawsuits to sequester ballots from the drop boxes, etc. Don’t get me wrong - I’m comforted by the fact the state Supreme Court is in the right headspace now. But I won’t give the Republicans the opportunity. I’m going in person and will feel satisfied when I watch the ballot run through that scanner myself. Fuck the GOP
Or to drop off your roommates ballot, or your SO, or your grandparents.... EDIT:  Which is completely normal for families and households and special care homes.
Let's go!!!
Sir with respect, your views are not valid",2024-07-05 13:48:05,"joy, anger, joy, anger, anger, anger, neutral, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, joy, anger, anger,"
2024 United Kingdom General Election Results,1dwfo2p,1603,"Title: 2024 United Kingdom General Election Results

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Not any sort of expert on British politics, but I am always fascinated how the Liberal Democrats always seem to hang around as a significant third party, particular when it comes to acquiring Parliament seats compared to the other parties outside the 'big two'.
I mean they’ve only just returned to third party status: the SNP was the third party (in parliamentary seat terms) from 2015 to 2024.

But the to answer your main point: the LibDems are _very_ good at concentrating resources where they can win. They don’t do big national campaigns like Labour and the Tories, but they’re very efficient and effective at local campaigns on local issues. They’re also good at selling themselves as “the alternative” to incumbents. People often complain that Labour and the Tories take their votes for granted but I’d wager few would make that complaint against the LibDems.
This must be the first time you can get from Brighton to Berwick without encountering a Tory seat.
They've been rocked by scandal, corruption, incompetence and complacency and have rightfully been punished for it.
Labour have once again managed to become a dominant force in Scotland following the SNP’s collapse.
Additionally, there are parts of the country, particularly in non-urban southern England, where the Labour Party never established a strong foothold. These parts of the country typically don’t have much mining or industry, out of which Labour historically grew, or the dense urban populations that have more recently become the Labour base. Here, the contest has effectively been between the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats for generations. In many of these seats, even in this election, the Labour candidates received under 10% of the vote.
If a few hundred people had voted Lib Dem in west Devon instead of Tory you'd have been able to get from Land's End to the Scottish border without passing through a Conservative seat.
They painted themselves as paragons of virtue and competence over recent years, but stories of corruption have come out and shown them to be at the trough like everyone else.  The electorate has punished them accordingly.
This was an incredibly lopsided race. The Greens and Reform won basically nothing, and Labour has an outsized majority compared to their vote percentage. Some may like the results (I'm glad Labour is back) but you have to call out the flaws in the first past the post winner take all elections.
I think it’s worth noting that “independent” here is not the name of a political party, but refers to collective single candidates that have stood and won whilst not being part of any political party
This is what happens when you add more than one party to FPTP voting combined with the fact that British elections are about voting for local mps instead of the actual office of prime minister.
The SNP are playing an analogous role to the Tories here - they’re the incumbent government, have been mired in scandals, corruption,internal infighting, and have failed to deal with any of the major issues affecting Scottish voters on a daily basis (healthcare, education, housing etc.). There’s widespread discontent with the party - even amongst independence leaning Scots - and a growing sense that they’ve failed to govern effectively over the last 5 years. The swing from SNP to Labour will contain an element of people voting against the Tories in Westminster - but should also be seen as a vote against the SNP in Scotland (in both Westminster and Holyrood). Whether this plays out in national or local Scottish elections remains to be seen - but an alarming showing from the SNP.
They were a genuinely incompetent party that failed on pretty much every metric but were able to get away with it by blaming the tories and promising more independence referendums
326 is technically needed for a majority but in practice it’s fewer because Sinn Fein doesn’t take their seats and the Speaker doesn’t vote
What happened to the SNP?
I very much agree. Labour has played an absolute blinder under the rules of the game, getting one of the most efficient spreads of the vote we've ever seen, but the fact they were able to do so shows why the system has to change. I'm glad they've back, but no one has any business getting such a big majority on 34% of the vote no matter how cleverly they planned it.
A party which has 12% of votes gets 72 seats when a party with 14% of votes gets 5 seats. All while a party with 33% of votes has a supermajority. Brits are on crack, as always.
It’s not the size, it’s how they use it
But got about 6% of the total vote, so under a proportional system would have about 44 seats.
I believe it's being called at half 10 today, though it looks like the lib Dems will take it as the snp candidate there conceded",2024-07-06 02:54:54,"fascination, admiration, disappointment, frustration, satisfaction, concern, confusion"
New colour of London after the 2024 general election ,1dwsq6v,2834,"Title: New colour of London after the 2024 general election 

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Romford electing a tory sex offender who hasn't been in Westminster because of it... what a let down.
Islington North is basically that meme of the smirking cat surrounded by knives.
In my limited experience they are wealthy people who are socially liberal and hence wouldn't vote Conservative or Labour.
Reform split the Tory vote much more than Lib Dems split the Labour vote.
Honestly should be red as well, just a deeper, legally distinct shade
Bermondsey and Old Southwark also elected (and Labour still endorsed as candidate) someone who was previously suspended over upheld complaints of sexual and racial harassment - so much for zero tolerance…
Love to see that nice bit of orange in the bottom left - the Lib Dems actually had a manifesto further left than Labour this year.
That’s about it. Actual respect for human rights helps, too.
Why does south west favour Lib Dem?
Still too much blue on it but I'll settle for that for the next five years.
I’m so happy Corbyn was elected. It’ll be a sad day for politics when he retires
Overall, Labour vote share in London has went up significantly with Jewish voters and constituencies with very safe tory seats. However Labour has significantly lost the muslim vote in some constituencies to pro Palestine independents. In England, Labour lost 4 seats to the pro Palestine Independents. 

Wealthier constituencies have turned to Labour with massive swings but it was very close for the conservatives too. Lib Dems did extremely well.
The Corbyn democratic republic standing strong as ever rn.
Chelsea voting labour blows my mind.
Red with a hammer and sickle
Two types of posh/rich people. The ""I'm better than the poors and the foreigns"" types who vote tory. And then there's the ""I'm rich but I have socialist sensibilities"" types who vote lib dem because Labour isn't really left wing enough but the greens aren't a viable option.

The SW falls into the latter group. They aren't posh people fed up with tories. Historically they've never really voted for them in the first place.

Just as we should avoid stereotyping all working class people as monolithic in their politic views, we should also recognise that ""posh"" people aren't a monolith either
Posh people who are fed up with the Tories but won't vote Labour (or think enough other people won't vote Labour). Same as traditional Tory constituencies  in Dorset and Somerset that have just gone orange
Majority of unions still fund Labour
Can we return those areas to Kent and Essex? I feel everyone would be happier with the arrangement.
Labour shanked their own candidate and replaced her so she ran against them ",2024-07-06 15:53:22,"anger, disappointment, surprise, joy, sadness, neutral"
US 2024 election,1e0x96i,9534,"Title: US 2024 election

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Gork/Mork '24
Make America WAAAAGH Again
a traitor or a rotting corpse, GL gringos
Ok so who's Erebus then?
Roger Stone
I vote khorne because rather than getting stabbed in the back by a politician id rather get stabbed in the face
To be fair it you could just have emps for them both. Neither are really giving horus or any Primark energy.
Incorrect. Dorn can actually build effective fortifications.
Can we not get American politics here?
As much as I love this meme, I super agree. Wrong dystopia.
Careful what you ask for
corpse please
Like Erebus he is covered in runes.

Kidding, I did meet him at a party once, he does have Nixon’s face tattooed on his back.
“We need to build a wall”

Trump is Dorn

Joe would have to be Lion because of old age.
Same, at least khorne as the decency to spit on our faces
Better to be a servant to a corpse than a slave to the carrions
After careful consideration, and looking at >![REDACTED]!<, I have come to the conclusion that I shall blithely continue wishing.  Because either my wish will come true.  Or the overtonian window of acceptable discourse will include the truth about civil unrest, and we'll start the arduous process of taxing the rich to repair the society they've destroyed.

Both are acceptable to me.

WAAAAAAGGGGHHHHH
That's just an insult to Horus, he is so much better written than the bad Bond style villain Trump is.
Who’ll be Sanguinius?
I feel like that would be Jimmy Carter. Except Carter is still alive.",2024-07-11 19:23:13,"disgust, anger, joy, neutral, surprise"
Trump allies at Heritage declare 2024 election illegitimate in advance,1e1gf3t,21623,"Title: Trump allies at Heritage declare 2024 election illegitimate in advance

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If its already illegitimate, Biden should just cancel
Elections and stay in power.  Isn’t that what the Supreme Court just gave him the powers to do? 

Massive sarcasm.
It is a shame we never actually enforce our domestic terrorism laws when there are clear and present threats to our democracy as a whole.
No, because they will decide it’s not official for democrats
Still voting for old, predictable, reliable Biden.
So don’t bother voting, Republicans.
As an American, if Biden is still the nominee come August, you have an obligation to vote for him even if he’s been clinically dead since last week. Sincerely, Sweden.
What do dictators usually do when people disagree with them?
But, but the system! 

It’s still astonishing to me that the Biden administration didn’t take all this seriously in early 2021. Trump attempted a coup, and there were no consequences for him or his top allies. They all should’ve been charged with sedition and treason and tossed into a military prison in January 2021. 

It’s no fucking shock that the wannabe fascists doubled down and went for it again—especially when the DoJ added in the late criminal charges and gave Trump the option of accepting jail or running for president again to escape due punishment for his crimes.
They calmly and respectfully disagree, of course
Yeah Trump and his allies will never accept a loss. This might be their final chance to reform America in their image before demographics become completely unmanageable for them.

Prepare accordingly.
America overwhelmingly supports Biden, all these ppl that are questioning him on tv are just trying to be relevant
>It is a shame we never actually enforce our domestic terrorism laws

That is because we still effectively have **no federal law criminalizing domestic terrorism or applying penalties for it** (and only 32 states have terrorism laws of varying strength).  There are laws against threatening people, there are laws against murder, there are laws against blowing up buildings, there are laws against inciting criminal behavior, etc...

But when it comes to engaging in the criminal conspiracy that would be recognized by a rational person as domestic terrorism... Federal law has no criminal penalties. 

And you can thank the Republicans for that one too.  Because when we strengthened our terrorism laws after 9/11, Republicans killed all language that would have similarly cracked down on domestic terrorism.
A failed coup with no reprecuasions is just a practice for a successful coup.
Worse. They are going to boycott the elections. They have plans to screw over swing states so people cannot vote.

I am afraid that the election day is the first day of the American second civil war.
It’s a forgone conclusion that these scum fuckers will pull this at election time. It’s clear that powerful financial forces are drooling at the chance for another Trump dumpster fire of shit and are doing everything they can to force this piece of human garbage on America. Tough times ahead for all Americans except of course the ultra rich.
As a member of the Marine Corps, obviously never say never, but I don’t see how any sort of coup could be pulled off using the military

You basically never see anyone higher oh in the chain of command higher than your company commander (Captain/O3), you’re platoon commander (0-1 or 0-2) is the highest officer you’re in regular contact with, any access to weapons, ammo, vehicles, and any other gear can only come from the people in charge of it and getting a hold of that equipment when it’s time for an op that’s been prepped for months already is hard enough, let alone immediately with no legitimate reason.  
Plus, the generals don’t like trump.

There might be individuals within the military who try to be part of the coup, but they’re not going be able to use any of the things that make the military useful while doing so
shortest civil war ever.... a bunch of inbred magats vs the military
They calmly and respectfully throw them out of a 20 story building. 

FTFY
So they already believe Biden will win. Interesting.
Or are dancing like good little puppets for their billionaire media corp CEOs who desperately want to keep their tax rate criminally low.",2024-07-12 12:27:42,"anger, fear, disgust, neutral"
Exclusive: Meta removes Trump account restrictions ahead of 2024 election,1e1rhki,22921,"Title: Exclusive: Meta removes Trump account restrictions ahead of 2024 election

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Note to Self:  Continue to *not* have a Facebook account.
Trump Threatens Mark Zuckerberg With Prison In Unhinged Truth Social Rant 

https://gizmodo.com/trump-threatens-mark-zuckerberg-with-prison-in-unhinged-truth-social-rant-2000378223
More likely they just anticipate more $$$ from all the user engagement new trump posts will generate.
> If Trump were to violate Meta's policies for a minor infraction, such as posting a person's address without permission

Crazy that we live in a world where there's an actual possibility for one of our presidential candidates to do this from an official account.
sophisticated divide fragile toy abundant dinner fanatical deranged governor run

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It’s engrained into my head that the media was talking for fucking weeks when Obama wore a tan colored suit. A decade later here we are talking about second chances for a president who doxes people

My mind cannot comprehend 
Of course he likes him, he's a billionaire who very much enjoys not paying taxes. That's why he was grabbing lunch with Trump before the people booted him out of office. 

If you're still unaware of why billionaires regularly court the GOP, you're not living in reality.
Add in Instagram and TikTok
I've read that Meta [relatively] recently stopped promoting right wing conspiracy bullshit on Facebook and that overall engagement and traffic has subsequently plummeted, but I don't know the veracity of those claims.

Edit: I was conflating two related things. Meta allegedly reduced promotion of right wing conspiracy bullshit, and so the traffic to the regular bunch of right-wing propaganda rags crashed as a result, not traffic to Facebook. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/13/facebook-traffic-political-content/

>This history is worth revisiting now because of a report from the Atlantic. Written by Washington Post veteran Paul Farhi, it notes that conservative and right-wing media sites have seen huge drops in traffic.

>“The flow of traffic to Donald Trump’s most loyal digital-media boosters isn’t just slowing, as in the rest of the industry; it’s utterly collapsing,” Farhi writes. Who’s to blame? “The obvious culprit,” he writes, “is Facebook.”
Zuck is just as big of a traitor as Trump is.  He’s known about Russians spreading disinformation on Facebook since before 2016.  
With Joel Kaplan as head of Global Policy, fuck no, they won't stop promoting right wing nonsense.

Remember that Joel Kaplan was at the Brooks Brothers Riot with Roger Stone, and then help push Kavanaugh for the Supreme Court.

He also exempted right wing blog sites from the news truthfulness standards at Facebook. Allowing Breitbart and Infowars to lie with impunity in the lead up to the 2020 election.
Sounds like the SEC to be honest. HEY STOP THAT MANIPULATION ASAP. Here’s a 500k fee that we’ll pocket while we ignore the billions in gains that they took advantage of
Zuckerberg is going to get paid from engagement and the clicks...doesn't give a shit about anything else
It’s really disgusting how wealthy people will fuck everybody over just to get a little bit more money. It’s a mental illness.
Reddit is all I have like a real loser lol
Fun (?) fact: there’s pictures of Reagan in like the same damned suit twenty years earlier. It was a fucking sham then, and it’s only gotten worse since.
Oh nice, so they wouldn't do it when it mattered, they did it after he attempt a coup, then they're turning it on just in time for him to use it when it it matters again. Thanks, Zuck.
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and i barely even want to have anything to do with this anymore either.",2024-07-12 20:20:25,"anger, disgust, fear, sadness, neutral"
"Why did the assassination attempt ""won"" Trump the 2024 elections? ",1e2obyl,2298,"Title: Why did the assassination attempt ""won"" Trump the 2024 elections? 

Body: I see everyone saying that the assassination attempt insured Trump's victory but it doesn't really make sense to me. 

Most republicans were voting in the 2024 elections anyways and I doubt any centrists got swayed by this assassination attempt. 

And this is not the first time something like this happened, not that long ago the Slovakian PM got almost assassinated too and everyone was saying that this insured his victory in the EU elections witch literally didn't happen. 

I mean, I just don't see why assassination attempt would do anything for any political figure really. 

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Makes for damn good PR
Trump wins if his base is motivated to vote and his opposition’s base is not motivated to vote. 

This could motivate trumps base.
That photo with his fist will definitely be in the news for the next month
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Historically, assassination attempts boost the odds of political candidates. Everyone loves a victim, and the active opposition rallies their voting base. This is of course a tendency, not a hard rule, as you pointed out.
This could not have been a better outcome for Trump if it had been totally scripted. He has a bad guy, a martyr, and an inspirational photo.

Anyone who thinks this won't get him more votes or that he is not going to milk it for all it's worth is delusional.
It'll be in the history books.
This guy is so polarizing. no one is changing their minds.
Trump lost some of his base with the reversal of Roe v Wade not to mention Project 25.  This could get them behind the lie of white christians being under attack and they need to 'retake' the country to keep themselves safe.   That's the narrative that I predict will be preached from pulpits and OP Ed pages across the country.
Because his base wasn’t already motivated?
Doesn't  matter what the affiliation of the shooter is, even if it was a Maga supporter it would be framed as fake news, and any other affiliation will be used to galvanize the faithful
Feels like it’ll be a meme by the end of the weekend tbh
I already saw one about 10 minutes after it happened saying ""Do NOT get your ears pierced at Claire's""
It comes down to the 1-2%  who legit could swing either way in voting.  Bases are going to vote for base regardless.   

I hate Trump with the fire of a billion suns but damn if the image of Trump with blood on his face standing with a fist raised in front of the flag as secret service ushers him away isn't one of the most iconic photos I've ever seen.   That image will sway a lot of voters and Biden was already behind given his age related concerns.
Anyone on his side who wasn’t energized will be now. Moderates who didn’t like either of them will feel sympathy towards him.

Edit: I guess best case scenario on the second point (for those of us who don’t support him) is that he leans in to the divisive rhetoric he’s known for and that turns off any moderates on the margins.
Trumps base is going to vote regardless. Basically, every  election is hinged  on whether or not the left can get enough  younger  people  out to vote,  and I don't  think Biden  is going to bring  them in this time .
End of the weekend? It's only been a few hours and the memes are out already
It's going to galvanize his base for sure. People will be all about him.. even more than they already were.. for a while.

This will definitely help him in the near future.. polls will probably swing his way. November is still far off tho so I kinda agree with you that I don't think it's going to be the deciding factor in the election.
Technically yes, but since Trump was shot first, Biden will be labeled as a poser for not being original and he'll lose some street cred for that
To be fair, Trump has always played the weak, whiny victim.",2024-07-13 23:46:27,"surprise, neutral, joy, disgust, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy"
The Picture that won the 2024 Election - Your Thoughts? ,1e2ocsn,2145,"Title: The Picture that won the 2024 Election - Your Thoughts? 

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Not a law, but a common PR saying: never let a good tragedy go to waste.
That's a very historic picture. You have to admit that
Law 28: Enter Action with Boldness
It definitely gave Trump more ammo.
50th Law - Chapter 3, Turn shit into sugar.

  
Edit: Apparently people dont know that 50cent and RG wrote this.
Agreed. I think he was going to win anyway but this cements it.
Hard to say, it will definitely make him a lot more popular, it was a brilliant political move to show bravery there. 

But there is still a lot of hate for the man, I say it’s all theoretical on how this will influence the campaign up until they actually count the votes.

Edit: I have noticed many people have assumed I insinuated that Trump was not brave at the moment of the assassination. Rest assured that is not what I’m saying.
Yes, this is how Putin came into power in Russia. He used every tragedy to his advantage.
Anecdotally, he is well liked by so many. My boss is half black, half Dominican. Voting for him. He's admired a lot in the area I live in. He stood up after this assassination attempt, triumphant. Simple things win votes. Don't ever under or over estimate Americans.
Law 6 attract attention at all costs
My unbiased opinion: just look at the goddamn picture! What a power move. I understand that people see things differently here but this should really seal the deal for him.
It gave him at least 1 piece of ammunition, that's for sure
...plus created some along the way...
In my opinion, based on a lot of Asian and Western movies, Trump will win.
Could be an album cover or a nice poster.
I mean the election hasnt occured so we shall see  - also discourse was trending that way even by democrat voters due to the two leaders being inept in different ways; but this photo is a triumphant one and one he can use strategically to bolster power
People who abandoned him are definitely going to give him a 2nd look. 

He’s probably more determined as ever. No doubt, he gonna raise hell and then some. To all his enemies foreign and domestic.
Im in Atlanta, I heard about this at the gym as a black guy says out loud”they just shot my boy!”
He’s gaining
Not a chance he loses to sleepy joe now
I hate Trump but he is one of, if not THE best modern day example of the 48 laws. After I read the book his entire shtick just made sense to me",2024-07-13 23:47:33,"joy, surprise, anger, neutral, disgust, fear, sadness, neutral, joy, anger, joy, surprise, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy,"
Being a teacher during 2024 election…. ,1e35mu0,2114,"Title: Being a teacher during 2024 election…. 

Body: Regardless of political affiliation, school demographic, and/or subject/grade you teach, anyone else now dreading the return to school following the event that transpired this week and the impending doom guaranteed to take place over the next month? 

Especially with high schoolers that adopt opinions using social media and memes… 

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I teach 4th grade and it's not hard to tell most of my students' family's political leanings since the kids often mimic their parents' political opinions in class.
It’s simple.  YOU CANNOT SHARE YOUR OPINION TO STUDENTS, that simple. Let them come up with their own conclusions, even if you disagree. I’ve taught through 4 elections.  I know this one is different.
Also a 4th grade teacher here and this is SO HARD. The kids know absolutely nothing other than what their parents tell them and man, they are fervent in those beliefs.  

I'm implementing a ZERO tolerance policy on religion and politics in my classroom this year. I've already put it in my class ""handbook"" and welcome letter.
Yeah. Teenagers say dumb things with absurd confidence, which is developmentally appropriate but annoying at the best of times. And this is not the best of times.

Also, the election coincides with my Lord of the Flies unit, which is...a thing. The weeks immediately following the election will be dedicated to Fahrenheit 451, where the supplementary readings deal with AI, algorithms, and social media. Yesterday at brunch, halfway through my second very strong mimosa, I came up with a concept where students have to log their tech use and reflect on 1) how they're training algorithms on what content to feed them and 2) how those algorithms shape their opinions and personal tastes. I still plan to do this, but do I really want to read their tech logs at that time of year? No. No I don't.

1st edit: Now I kind of want to lean into it and do my 451F unit during the election. It's an easy switch, and I can assign the tech log without making it explicitly about politics. Idk.

2nd edit: A lot of people are asking for more details on my unit. Tbh I just came up with this and don't have much yet, but I'm always happy to share materials, so feel free to DM me with questions. I included some of my initial thoughts below:

The readings will probably include excerpts from *Filterworld* by Kyle Chayka (highly recommended!) and some popular articles about social media and AI. Idk what yet, sorry!

The tech log will be a three-week assignment with a different tech focus each week. I'm giving six options, so students only need to choose half of them. The options are search engines, social media, generative AI, auto-complete, music streaming, and video streaming. Each week students will read an article about how that tech works, record their use throughout the week, and complete two additional activities.

For example, one of my activities for the search engine topic is ""Do a search for a topic you are interested in or need to research for an assignment. Have two other people do a search for the same topic using the same search engine, but on their own device. Only ONE of these people can be another student. Compare your first page search results—what similarities did you find? What differences? What might account for these results?""

For the generative AI topic, I have ""Ask a large language model (LLM) such as ChatGPT to assess your *Much Ado about Nothing* in-class essay according to the rubric. How does its feedback compare to the feedback I gave? What difference, if any, is there in the score? What characteristics of student writing does the AI seem to most value? Who grades harder, the AI or me? Which grade seems fairer and why?""
I teach a class all about 2024 elections. Gonna be chaos
I get your hesitancy but I truly believe that children need to be taught early how to engage in civil discourse about sensitive subjects. I teach 4th as well and start early on with lessons on debate and civility as well as teaching routines for shared discussion. The kids always do really well with it! If we don’t teach them now, when will they learn?

I have had some amazing conversations with trump supporting kids and Biden supporting kids that parents from both sides have messaged thanking me for. 

Now the one zero tolerance policy I do have is for political aggression. Any sort of disparaging will result in the student not participating in any more conversations. I also do not share any of my own political beliefs.
I very much remember being on lunch duty in 2016 and a bunch of middle schoolers chanted ""build the wall"". And admin did not stop it, but instead had the Hispanic students eat lunch in the office for their ""safety"". I will never ever forget that moment. Ever.
I teach 4th grade as well and I have a student who keeps saying “I’m going to vote for Trump in 2024!” And I’m like “dude, you’re 9. You can’t even vote in 2032!”
I teach 6th and it’s the same way. I have students who wore FJB shirts to school, and I’m just like, regardless of your political beliefs, this shouldn’t be worn to school bc it’s an acronym for A CUSS WORD. Parents be like “free speech”, and I just respond “the dress code states student’s clothing should be free of inappropriate words and images”.
Yup. I may play devils advocates with kids of all opinions, bringing up points to get to them think, but I don't share personal opinions
This! I’m currently a camp counselor with 6-10 year-olds and I feel your pain.
I was so worried about the Hawk Tuah meme not dying. I am hoping people keep it alive now so my 7th grade history class is less serious
If you teach older kids have them take the online quiz at isidewith.com. It ask questions based on the hot topics of the day then takes your answers and tells you what candidate you most align with. 

I did this in 2016 and 2020 and some of my students were stunned with their results. 

It will make them think.
We'll talk about the trials, to the extent I'm comfortable with it. But like the ones that are in the past, we'll spend a little time on them. The ones that are actively going on - sure, to the extent we have info on it, but these are actively changing, and probably won't complete prior to the class ending / election happening.

The basic questions I want answered are 

- why are supporters of Trump or Biden voting for them? How can we understand voters better

- how do elections function, from the hidden primary right up until Jan 20

- what is it that voters are concerned about

So it's not going to be a Trump/Biden biography, and it's not going to be anything that will get me overscrutinized by passionate parents. Candidates will get their time but that misses the point in some ways. The students will vote at some point, so how can they best understand the system for that? or for their parents voting?
yeah. as a gay teacher, one of these sides wants to put me in jail (or worse) for being gay and a teacher. the other side will just keep the current shitshow as the status quo. thank god I teach math so any political stuff is off topic.
Retired middle school teacher here, who occasionally subs. Your two unit plans are absolutely brilliant!!! Can I please sub for you?
You can have opinions like everyone else.  It is not appropriate to be passing it on to your students.  They are impressionable and you have power over them, so you need to leave them the space to make their own opinions.
My first year of teaching was the 2016 election… it was certainly an interesting time to enter the field. It’s not too complicated though. Don’t share your political opinions, and allow discussion as long as it’s respectful.
I remember teaching during the 2016 election. I remember trying to remain unbiased. My students were almost 100% migrants. They were terrified. I kept telling them the Constitution is the supreme law. Nobody, not even a president, can violate the Constitution. And now here we are. And I’m so afraid for our country.
It’s almost as if the two party system oversimplifies our lives 🤔",2024-07-14 15:54:24,"fear, anger, sadness, neutral, disgust, surprise, joy, neutral, sadness, joy, anger, fear, neutral, sadness, joy, anger, neutral, joy, sadness, neutral, anger, joy, sadness, neutral, joy"
2024 election result that was revealed to me in a dream,1e7efa8,2861,"Title: 2024 election result that was revealed to me in a dream

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If this is the EXACT map in November I'll live stream a video of me eating my cats poop


Edit: I love the internet how tf did this get me more upvotes than ever before
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away down south
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Who’d win this theoretical war?
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In the land of traitors
Alaska and Hawaii went with RFK
Texas really isn't that republican of a state much of the southern part and the cities vote Democrat consistently some think that in a few decades it may be a blue state idk tho
I could totally see blue winning, right?
The cat eats his poop
Rattlesnakes and alligators
Too bad about your colorimetric dyslexia
TBF California on the other hand is also really republican past 100 miles from the coast and in the North.
I think Texas will flip blue long before California will turn red though. Difference is Texas blue cities are for more populated than California's red towns. I don't see either happening in the near future though
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Right away! (Right away)
Come away! (Come away)
Biden’s going back to his Dixiecrat roots",2024-07-19 21:03:58,"surprise, joy, neutral, disgust, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral"
Joe Biden drops out of 2024 Election,1e8s31k,2492,"Title: Joe Biden drops out of 2024 Election

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Hasan tweet from 1h ago lmao:

""i am shooting a trailer today for a twitch show so **i most likely wont be live biden you better not drop out yet**""
Yet again getting my breaking news from the h3 subreddit haha
you think i just fell out of a coconut tree?
Jo Jo
Biden probably was going to announce it on Monday, but saw Hasan’s tweet and said “fuck it” hahahahah
I just wanted a peaceful weekend, instead I feel like ab because I cant have shit
Oh shit Fidias is gonna take the states
Do not cum.
It’s so joever
Its for the best tbh. He's too old. Guy needs to just go home, take it easy, & enjoy the time he's got left.
Is coconut tree Kamala running then?
I’m gonna cum.
Joe Biden woke up... and did the right thing
For real! This is also where I learned that trump had been shot
No Jo no mo
Thank you Joe Biden for doing the right thing
with Margot Robbie as his VP
My jaw just smashed thru the floor lmaooo i shouldn’t be surprised but still, joe really got bullied into stepping down 💀💀💀
Come to Mamala (Do not cum)
End of the world party at my house. Bring your own cyanide",2024-07-21 17:51:17,"surprise, joy, humor, disgust, neutral, sadness, anger"
President Joe Biden has officially dropped out of the 2024 Presidential Election ,1e8s56s,4877,"Title: President Joe Biden has officially dropped out of the 2024 Presidential Election 

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bro dropped before carti
all the ways to find out about this and I found out through a carti subreddit post😭
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I found out about trumps assassination attempt and now this via this sub lmao
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Praying for gra 6 to drop so people can stop making this joke
Shit we're probably gonna get gta6 before he even drops anything
this sub is basically its own social network
The hood lost a real one 😔✊️

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Thanks for the news bro
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now its his time to shine
Ain't no way I find about this through carti subreddit
R.I.P. man. You served us well Joe, we’ll miss you!

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❤️
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They cancelled him for that, now he had to do an apology letter
A league of extraordinary individuals
Joe said bi den😂😂😂
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coconuts shall rain from the sky. kamala will sweep🥥🌴🌴",2024-07-21 17:53:57,"sadness, joy, neutral, joy, sadness, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy"
Biden withdraws from the 2024 elections,1e8s7a2,1812,"Title: Biden withdraws from the 2024 elections

Body: Update 3:
[Obama not endorsing Kamala Harris:](https://x.com/BarackObama/status/1815110737095721109)

>Joe Biden has been one of America’s most consequential presidents, as well as a dear friend and partner to me. Today, we’ve also been reminded – again – that he’s a patriot of the highest order. 

[Full statement.](https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc)

Update 2:
[BILL CLINTON AND HILLARY CLINTON BACK HARRIS FOR PRESIDENT
](https://x.com/BillClinton/status/1815102085198958657)

[Update: Biden endorses Kamala Harris:](https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815087772216303933)

>My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this.

From his [tweet](https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815080881981190320):

JOSEPH R. BIDEN, JR.

July 21, 2024

My Fellow Americans,

Over the past three and a half years, we have made great progress as a Nation.

Today, America has the strongest economy in the world. We've made historic investments in
rebuilding our Nation, in lowering prescription drug costs for seniors, and in expanding
affordable health care to a record number of Americans. We've provided critically needed care
to a n1illion veterans exposed to toxic substances. Passed the first gun safety law in 30 years.
Appointed the first African American woman to the Supreme Court. And passed the most
significant climate legislation in the history of the world. Arr1erica has never been better
positioned to lead than we are today.

I know none of this could have been done without you, the American people. Together, we
overca1ne a once in a century pandemic and the worst economic crisis since the Great
Depression. We've protected and preserved our Democracy. And we've revitalized and
strengthened our alliances around the world.

It has been the greatest honor of my life to serve as your President. And while it has been my
intention to seek reelection, I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country for me
to stand down and to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as President for the remainder of my
term.

I will speak to the Nation later this week in more detail about my decision.
For now, let me express my deepest gratitude to all those who have worked so hard to see me
reelected. I want to thank Vice President Kamala Harris for being an extraordinary partner in all
this work. And let me express my heartfelt appreciation to the American people for the faith and
trust you have placed in me.

I believe today what I always have: that there is nothing America can't do - when we do it
together. We just have to remember we are the United States of America.

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Neither did he… 😂
Wow, i never thought he would actually do it.
there was a post about four days ago saying he would make this announcement on Sunday.
We are living in a crazy fucking timeline , that being said this is one of the more sensible things to happen 😂
He probably still doesn’t
Not mentally competent to run.

But competent to remain president.

That's a fine line
I wonder how he's gonna feel when he finds out
>[This](https://x.com/continetti/status/1815086265148076521) will be the first time that America has back-to-back full one-term presidencies of opposite parties in more than 100 years.
I have a feeling the only reason why kamala is nominated is so that the campaign can keep the money. If someone other than who is on the ticket was chosen to run, according to laws that control election campaign finances, the DNC would take the money. 
If someone else wanted to run, they’d have to get their own money to do so. They can’t just take over Joe Biden’s campaign. I could be wrong but this is what my amateur research found
I came here for this because I remember that post. Someone link it.

Ok I’ll do it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/yFsb0SgSDJ)
Time to take out stock in Orville Redenbacher, because this is going to get wild!
Same bin where Bernie Sander's votes from the Dem primaries where thrown.
>100%. His party turned on him quickly after the debates.

They probably held the debate early so that they could turn on him. If you mentioned Biden's dementia before the debate, it was seen as an alt-right talking point. Suddenly it's become acceptable - only because the powers that be have deigned to allow it. They put Biden out like a lamb to slaughter.
It's an even playing field. I think the commissioner of the league has done a great job. Both teams have a shot every year, they both pick up great free agents, both sides have great and passionate fans. There's never a clear underdog. We know about team Independent and Green Party, but they're in a developmental league.
I dont know why people are saying anyone but Kamala is going to be on the ticket.

Its going to be her. Shes picking her VP now. It will not be RFK.
Each time he finds out he’s gonna be pissed
That man is a piece of shit
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100%. His party turned on him quickly after the debates. Who y'all got for his replacement? Harris Harris's polling is not any better than Biden was so I don't see her breathing life back into the democratic party. Michelle Obama is making bank away from the hill and shows no interest so it looks like it will have to be an unknown place  in the position.
That medical condition excuse worked pretty fast",2024-07-21 17:56:22,"surprise, joy, neutral"
Biden’s statement withdrawing from the 2024 election ,1e8s8sf,4393,"Title: Biden’s statement withdrawing from the 2024 election 

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I'm shocked he actually pulled out.
He'll be equally as shocked when they tell him Monday morning.
Very surprising. But lets take a step back and appreciate that Joe Biden stepped down. I did not dislike him. I really disliked his vision and platform for the country, but he gave it his best as he could and I recognize that. I wish the president an easier and calmer way of life moving forward with less stress. Man served in politics forever and rose to the presidency. Respect.🫡
As much as I dislike him, I wish him the best. The dude was mentally deteriorating at an alarming rate and was forcibly propped up by the Democratic party until they finally realized he was only hindering their chances.
I was just reading denials on the news from the White House like 30m ago. Shocked as well.

r/politics is having a meltdown again lol
Feels like I'm in a real-life House of Cards episode.
He actually dropped out? Wow

Who's going to be his replacement?
The DNC hasn't made their decision public yet.
I respect that he dropped out honestly. Most politicians would never, just keep holding on as long as humanly possible.
They never let “the people” decide lmao

The delegates will do what the elite donors and top dems decide then tell “the people” to fall in line. Something something *saving democracy*…

Same thing they did to Bernie for [2016 election](https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/)
I wish him the best. He deserves to spend his final years with his friends and family.
Welp it's Harris vs Trump now.
He just endorsed Harris in another tweet
From what I'm reading they wanted him to pull out.
Nice to hear some decency and respect across party lines. Respect.
This community owes you a great debt of gratitude for that comment.  Fantastic.
They also realize Harris can't beat Trump lmao
Not to highjack this thread but man I can’t believe how left leaning Reddit actually is.
Biden is going to be devastated when he learns this news.
This is huge",2024-07-21 17:58:06,"shock, surprise, dislike, respect, admiration, curiosity, concern, disappointment, humor, gratitude, devastation"
Joe Biden has dropped out of the 2024 presidential election,1e8t3bc,1874,"Title: Joe Biden has dropped out of the 2024 presidential election

Body: What will be the greater socioeconomic impacts of this on the world economy and the countries that might be effected second handedly? How will this affect short and long-term investment horizons and what are the implications involving general instability that might be occurring in the United States on a level that is truly unprecedented. 

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Every time I think something will happen, the opposite thing happens.
Nobody knows, check back in 6 months :)
Go ahead and drop your prediction so we can inverse it.
Short term I’m going to keep DCAing. Long term I’m going to keep DCAing. Depending on who’s elected this term or next term I’m going to keep DCAing…..do you get it yet? 
But the bots need us to discusssss
Very red early in the week. Markets favor predictably, even if it’s bad. Not knowing Biden’s successor is worse for markets than even the worst possible pick. 

Long term, really depends who it is.
More money in the hands of the wealthy, less money in the hands of your average joe, record profits, record CEO salaries, stories about booming economy despite your average person being squeezed like gumby.
I think the graphs will go right
Hahaha. ""Someone predict the future so I can get rich""
This Trump trade stuff is nonsense. The markets have always performed better under democratic administrations.

Come to think of it. Markets prefer democracy over authoritarian regimes.
Idk man I think if Trump is elected I might DCA and hold for 30 years  but if Kamala is elected I might DCA and hold for 30 years instead.
He literally endorsed Harris right after he dropped out. That's the plan.
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the stock market will be fine regardless of which party nominee is president.
>what are the implications involving general instability that might be occurring in the United States on a level that is truly unprecedented.

Biden withdrawing from the presidential campaign is not unprecedented, much less truly unprecedented. That's a load of hysterical hyperventilating. Johnson withdrew from the presidential reelection campaign in 1968. Nixon resigned from the presidency during his reelection campaign in 1974. Life went on and the US continued to prosper.

There is no great systematic instability. There is a presidential campaign that is unfolding a bit differently than usual. The Democrats will select a new candidate, one way or another, and there will be a presidential election in November. Life will go on and the US will continue to prosper.

There may, and probably will be, some short term effects on the markets. I have no prediction on those.
More like several years. Economic effects from presidential policy always take a long time to manifest.
Not even a joke, will be a great time to have money. 
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So, a good time to invest then? lol
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Official word ahead of the 2024 US election,1e912s6,3268,"Title: Official word ahead of the 2024 US election

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presidential election and it’s the same but biden endorses kamala instead so it’s not
plz vote everyone for real!! reproductive rights are in danger, trans rights are in danger, being a brat is in danger!! vote for kamala against trump like a true brat!!
She saw yalls posts on here about Red Scare and Dasha
Kamala followed Charli on Twitter and IG. I wouldn’t be surprised if we get an official fancam at this rate 😭
Votin’ that 💚
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This was extremely clever only someone in the midst of a brat summer could pen such a magical message
This coming from a br**i**t means a lot!
Please educate yourself on how that happened.
🥥🌴
Bro democracy itself is in danger
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I just saw this post
Brat*
Fascism: “ hi it’s me ur all in danger “
If Kamala's campaign song is The Apple she wins 100% of the popular vote
Eyyy Indians represent!
Because the only other option is Trump which would be a disaster for both american and global politics, and democracy in general
The apple remix with kamala harris and it's coconuts now sorry kim
Everyone already knows that was the Supreme Court, what an absolutely dog shit attempt at forum sliding. You will not be getting your 50 cents for that one.
The gays are too fast. How’d yall do that?? (Asking as a much slower gay)",2024-07-22 00:31:55,"joy, fear, joy, neutral, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy,"
Who will YOU vote for? 2024 United States presidential election.,1e9c6g6,1443,"Title: Who will YOU vote for? 2024 United States presidential election.

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I am voting for Vermin supreme, but shouldn’t Chris Pratt and Tom Cruise be flipped?
Alternatively, Chris Pratt could be a Republican, Bernie Sanders a Democrat and Tom Cruise an Independent backed by Scientology?
Or the ""National Scientologist Party"" or the Natsci Party for short
Voting for Ryan Gosling
Pratt is an outspoken Christian and Cruise is a Scientologist. Their party affiliations should be flipped.
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Ya. But people have been trying to cancel Chirs Pratt for years now because of his church and he has refused to do fund raising for the democrats. While Tom Cruises openly endorses Democrats and has campaign for Democratic candidates.
Vermin is the only correct choice
I don't think 2024 democrat voters would support Scientology
…where are his eye things??
Good idea
Are Scientologists liberal now?

Anti-gay
Anti-psychiatry
High control group
Messianic mission

If anything, it should be the Cruise/Pratt or Pratt/Cruise GOP ticket.
 Not voting vermin supreme is a waste of a vote.
Ryan Reynolds though...
Gosling won the primary for the Ryan party
White supremacists support the right too! Really makes you think…
Chris Pratt is VERY religious and many times has spoken against wokism. He’s not liberal he’s conservative
Christian doesn't automatically mean Republican.  Then again, we can consider his father-in-law.
RULE 7:

This is it. Chris Pratt is running for president. And some others too. It's a quite a shitshow really.

Hillary Clinton dropped off due to health concerns and Chris Pratt took her spot.

Ted Cruz's ear got infected and he dropped out, so Tom Cruise took his spot.

And the other two they just ran.

This is an unprecedented 4 way split in American election. Who will win? Who will YOU vote for?
I’m not a US citizen so i can’t vote in the US elections,but it would be Vermin Supreme without a second thought",2024-07-22 11:44:14,"confusion, surprise, disgust, anger, neutral, joy"
"For the Americans voting in 2024 Election, does Kamala Harris get your vote?  Why or why not?",1e9gkat,26556,"Title: For the Americans voting in 2024 Election, does Kamala Harris get your vote?  Why or why not?

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Sure, but if you think Reddit will give you a good temperature on America, you are out of your mind
The people you need to hear from aren’t on Reddit.
Alright, so according to Reddit 98% will vote for Harris.
Asking redditors if they will vote blue no matter who...can't imagine how this will turn out
> If Reddit was indicative of America

We’d be on Bernie Sanders 3rd term

/s
Yep, this is the biggest misconception. If Reddit was indicative of America, Biden would never have dropped out, because he’d be winning in a landslide. 

So given that…it’s kind of funny that the question is would you vote for Kamala. Of course the overwhelming majority here is going to say yes. She was Biden’s VP. If someone was going to vote Trump, they’re not going to change their mind now that Harris is the nominee. If anything, she’s less popular amongst the right. Reddit is an echo chamber
The Democratic candidate is just as irrelevant today as it was last week.  

The 2024 presidential election has boiled down to ""yes Trump"" or ""no Trump"".
I don’t think there is a good place at all to ask. Here will have you thinking the whole world is going to vote for blue, while in Twitter will have you thinking that the whole world will vote for red.
This is what messed me up in 2016. We’re in an echo chamber on Reddit. I was so damn sure Hilary would win because of the comments on Reddit.
I voted for every GOP presidential candidate from Reagan to Romney. But I will crawl a mile on broken glass to vote against Trump. It doesn't matter who is running against him.
Anyone who even slightly criticizes Kamala is now getting downvoted to hell.

Those exact same complaints two days ago would've been upvoted.

Reddit is a horrible place to have nuanced discussions.
You're essentially asking reddit if they're voting for Trump. Nobody is going to give you a different answer here because they'll be down voted to hell.
This is hands down the most problematic thing about Reddit. Massive echo chamber and this applies to lots of different things, not just politics.

Edit: ask me about the time I was banned from r/mommit for saying pit bulls should be banned on a post a mom made about her child being attacked by a pitbull. Did not break one sub rule. Banned for having a dissenting opinion and saying something a mod didn’t care for.
You’re on Reddit, you already know the answers you’re going to get
There really isn’t. The people you want to hear from are the moderate swing voters who don’t spend all day on social media and vote based off news highlights once every 4 years. The liberals on Reddit are gonna vote blue and the conservatives on Twitter are gonna vote red. Nothing has changed with those two demographics based off Biden dropping out. Looking at Reddit today, liberals on here seem to actually think something has changed and that Kamala is gonna bring in more votes than Biden would have. It’s so weird how Reddit gets swayed so easily by the news cycle.
Yep.  What matters in America are about ~6 states.

- Pennsylvania
- Wisconsin,
- Arizona
- Nevada
- Michigan

Maybe Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Minnesota as well.

I'm in Chicago, my vote is largely going to be unimportant.  Kamala will likely win Illinois comfortably.  A conservative in Texas is largely unimportant.  And liberal in California/NY is largely unimportant.

Still vote but those votes aren't going to decide the presidency.

It'll be ~250k people across the states I listed above.  

Our voting system is straight up idiotic.
Yes,  because I know that her cabinet will be competent.  Trump is gonna pick people like Marjorie Taylor green. We don't need 4 years of that.
President Bernie Sanders would have taken the reigns from President Ron Paul.

Because somehow, Reddit was 1000% behind those two polar opposites.
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I used to vote Republican back in the old days. However there's no way in hell I'd vote for Trump ever.",2024-07-22 15:05:42,neutral
"Ohio state Sen. George Lang (R) said at a Trump-Vance 2024 rally on Monday in Middletown that he’s “afraid” a civil war might be necessary if Republicans lose the election: "" if we come down to a civil war, I’m glad we got people like … Bikers for Trump on our side.”",1e9ng73,2642,"Title: Ohio state Sen. George Lang (R) said at a Trump-Vance 2024 rally on Monday in Middletown that he’s “afraid” a civil war might be necessary if Republicans lose the election: "" if we come down to a civil war, I’m glad we got people like … Bikers for Trump on our side.”

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These people are champing at the bit to murder Democrats
It’s so much worse than that, but yes.
Old guy thinks other old guys (but with motorcycles) are prepared for armed conflict against the United States Military. 

These guys weren't able to beat back diabetes, but they are ready for war.
You know what can beat *Bikers for Trump*? Cars. Trucks. Semis. Virtually any vehicle with at least 4 wheels.  I know this because I’ve played plenty of Grand Theft Auto.
Sen Lang said, “I love white supremacy” and like how is he still having a job?
The problem for them is they don't know who is on their side or not. We don't put flags up or hats on our heads
Still funny that the Cons think only they have guns.
Not just Democrats.  Anyone who is against their autocracy in general.  I think they will be in for a shock when they see how many people that don't identify as Democrat will fight against MAGA.
I live in rural KY and fly a rainbow flag.... I'm their target. *shrugs*
Lang just admitted that he would violate his oath of office for partisan goals. Censure him.
Also of interest: George Lang was indicted for perjury when he claimed that, when he [participated in the Dynus corruption scandal](https://www.forbes.com/sites/walterpavlo/2018/06/21/a-signature-and-political-backstabbing-put-an-ohio-county-auditor-in-prison-for-two-years/), he didn't understand what he was doing, despite being the company's Financial President at the time.  He wasn't convicted, though I'm not clear on why.
Gravy Seals
Amen to that. Not a democrat, but vote for them by default to stop fascism at all costs
> Vance is slated to travel to Virginia later on Monday to hold a second event in Radford.

What has Vance done for Ohio other than ignore a burning train? The rest of his time is going to be spent campaigning for an ex-president that delivered on nothing he promised other than tax cuts for the rich and terrible supreme court justices that Ohio voters have needed to overturn their decisions.
Bikers for Trump?

You know how easy it is to take out some overweight boomer bikers?
These are the same people that wouldn’t take a drive through Cincinnati in the evening without an official escort.  

If they want to keep pushing this whole civil war thing, I’m going to make a lot of money when I start printing my “Nobody is afraid of anyone from Middletown” bumper stickers.
So basically republicans are saying “if the majority of voters will not side with us we will take power by force” doesn’t sound very democratic to me. Vote blue or we’re screwed!
Don't let them know about r/liberalgunowners
I live in rural upstate NY and fly a rainbow flag. If one kid sees it and thinks “hey those people support me” in this sea of red I feel I’ve done at least something. In the end it just feels like the right thing to do when that community comes under constant attack for just existing.
You need to move up to Cincinnati, I've got your back",2024-07-22 19:46:09,"fear, anger, disgust, surprise, neutral"
Republican apologizes for threatening civil war if Trump loses 2024 election,1eajima,7087,"Title: Republican apologizes for threatening civil war if Trump loses 2024 election

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When Trump says ""[The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-trump-shares-video-of-supporter-saying-the-only-good-democrat-is-a-dead-democrat/)"", this is what he means.

When Trump [makes plans to deport 15-20 million people](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/01/politics/trump-immigration-what-matters/index.html), this is what he means.

When Trump [makes plans to shoot migrants in the legs](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/politics/trump-border-wars.html), this is what he means.

When a Trump campaign video [references a booming economy due to a ""Unified Reich""](https://apnews.com/article/trump-election-2024-rhetoric-germany-antisemitism-31002afb91b642c0314223d19e51f427), this is what he means.

He means that he wants to lead his supporters in killing everybody who disagrees with him. They don't actually have any more boundaries than their leader does. They don't actually have any deeper plan, just the killing.
As dumb as he looks.
Apology rejected. 

In my field, if I made statements like that in public with my name attached, I would soon find myself unemployed and on watch lists for the rest of my life. Why should this asshole get a free pass?
That's because purging the enemy is a tried and true lazy dictator's way of dealing with an opposing viewpoint.  Mussolini did it, Hitler did it, Stalin did it, All the Chinese communist leaders did/do it, Putin and the CCCP ilk did and still does it.  It's easier to overwrite history when there's no one left to call you out on your version of it.
That’s the list of leaders Trump idolizes.
Why’s the dude so yellow?
A vote for Trump is a vote for Putin.
He's actually got on MAKE-UP!! WHOEVER does his make-up, see the blush, use a yellow color to blend and match, and wipe out gray or red spots. Whoever didnt know what they were doing
Now that Biden is gone, they all realized that they’re thoroughly screwed against Kamala and now they’re all trying to pretend that they were moderates all along, lmao
*South Park bp meme* ... ""Sorry..""
Too late!  You belong to the internet now...
I thought he had jaundice.
He's only sorry he got called out on it.
> The unifying theme behind reactionary movements is a desire for a sort of restorative authoritarianism, for a strong man to come in and forcibly put everything back ‘where it belongs’. There is a sympathetic nugget in the anxiety that the world has gotten too complex - that things are spinning out of control... But the Q analysis of the problem is that the fault lies with the people outlining the complexity.

> The purpose of cosmologies like Q and Flat Earth is to simplify the world. The Qanon map of global politics is almost pure nonsense, but the shape of it isn’t. If you were to map out the political landscape of the world, it would look a lot like thousands of political entities, big and small, all with their own goals, values and incentives navigating an equally complex series of conflicts, alliances and rivalries in competition for power, fame or limited resources. Qanon takes all this, the chaos of millions of individuals trying to reshape the world and turns it into a single entity.

> All the world’s complexities, all the chaos, it’s all the fault of one group. Not an ideology, not a worldview, not historical inertia, not anything so nebulous as the way we think about the world. A single, tangible, identifiable group with a written agenda.

> These types of conspiratorial beliefs, for all their complex cosmologies, exist in opposition to structural challenges and a lot of people get involved because they resent structural criticism. Structural criticism poses that we are the way we are because of complicated forces, some intentional and many unintentional, that have compounded and morphed over generations. There’s no plan, no template and no goal. The world won’t just magically morph into a better place as a function of its existence. We are responsible for confronting the past, fixing the present and shaping the future.

> Qanon and other reactionaries want to believe that things are the way they are because someone has deliberately crafted it to be that way. That there is a natural order to the world and we need to just trust ‘the plan’. Climate scientists, queer activists, women’s rights, reproductive autonomy, racial justice. protests against police brutality... All of these are interlocking systemic issues. These are, inarguably, disruptions of the status quo - confrontations of deep-rooted complexities that intersect the lives and futures of billions of people. And it’s that disruption, not the underlying injustices, that make Qanon anxious, that make Qanon feel like the world has gotten too complex. They don’t want those complexities to exist, and by talking about them you make them exist.

> It’s a form of magical thought. Talking about police brutality wills police brutality into existence. A disruption of the status quo is seen as a disruption of the natural order. The problem they see is that no one has made ‘those people’ shut up. That is what they want - someone to come in and make ‘those people’ shut up and go away, and put things back ‘where they belong’.

> This is the lifeblood of all reactionary movements, and they are of course in conflict with facts. Global warming, for example, is real and an existential threat to civilization, that’s just a fact. It wasn’t willed into existence by people talking about it, it isn’t overtuned leftists looking for patterns in clouds - it is the byproduct of dumping carbion dioxide into the atmosphere for 200 years. And there is a temptation to engage on that level and confront all the material ways in which they are just wrong... And it largely does not work.

> All reactionary movements are in tension with reality, a tension that eventually results in a psychological crisis, and belief systems like Qanon are the endpoint of that crisis - the point where reality itself becomes an enemy. Because ultimately it’s not about facts, it’s about power. Qanons are not otherwise empty vessels who believe one whacky thing, they have an agenda. Qanon, what it accepts and what it believes, is driven by the outcomes it justifies. The reason they aren’t more bothered by Q constantly getting things wrong or the extreme inconsistencies and outright contradictions by the claims that are just materially wrong is because it gives them power over others who are bound by something as weak and flimsy as reality.

> They claim to be against corruption while hanging their hopes on an openly corrupt man - and that naked hypocrisy is the point. They will effortlessly carve out an exception because it makes them exceptional. They engage in wild hypocrisy as an act of domination, adhering to something demonstrably untrue out of spite - because they believe that power belongs to those with the greatest will to take it... And what greater sign of will than the ability to override truth?

> Their will is a hammer that they are using to beat reality itself into a shape of their choosing. A simple world where reality is exactly what it looks like through their eyes, devoid of complexity, devoid of change, where they are right and their enemies are silent.

> They are trying to build a flat earth.

- Dan Olson
How long do you think that doughy fuck would last if things got rough?
$+R+W= Unaccountable.
Nope. He is only sorry he said it outloud and it went viral. When Republicans tell you who they are, believe it!
Now burn the confederate flag and I might believe you
Not really just in your field. Pretty much ANY field outside politics. Imagine walking into a board meeting and suggesting that if sales drop, we have to start shooting at the rival's customers. These people are out of their collective mind and their bubble is self-validating.
He could probably get a whopping 150 people to back him.   Save the country from what or whom?",2024-07-23 21:22:35,"anger, disgust, fear"
Will you (or did you) leave the US if the 2024 election doesn't go your way?,1ebweqn,968,"Title: Will you (or did you) leave the US if the 2024 election doesn't go your way?

Body: I'm a New York Times reporter working on a story about Americans who have left or are planning to leave the US because of the country's politics. Are you making concrete plans to leave the US if the candidate you support loses the 2024 election? Or are you already living abroad partly because of the politics back home? I'd love to hear stories from people of all different political leanings who have taken steps to be able to live outside the US (or are already doing it.) My DMs are open. -Ronda Kaysen

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The same NYT who has called for Biden to drop out but didn't cover trump's name being all over the Epstein documents? 

You guys want trump to win, he keeps journalists in business.
> Depends if you have to means to leave. 

This is the main crux of this sub. You ain't going anywhere unless you have money. Sure, we all get really irritated, myself included, about the USAs politics and lifestyle but if you ain't got money, a very in demand job, speak more than one language, or a foreign spouse..... you better buckle up because those dream lands you fantasize about do not want you.
Do you remember when the New York Times called for Biden to step down over a hundred times but gave Trump a pass after the debate?

A media outlet complicit in helping Project 2025 so the owner can have tax cuts is just as bad and arguably more damaging than a political party planning to cancel democracy. 

Both are good reasons to leave the US.
Here's the fucking quote to start your article. Print that on the front page. 
Why should anyone trust NYT when they are biased in Trump's favor?
I left the US for Mexico in 2019 on a whim (yeah, that was dumb), but because of Trump's first term in combination with the global pandemic, I realized how vulnerable I was with just one passport. People keep saying that the US passport is strong enough to bypass a lot of these sort of issues, but never did I ever think I'd have to check for live updates on Twitter on which border crossings were closing in July 2019 as I rushed back to Mexico with my newly-bought used car.

But in reality, I left the US because I didn't feel that the country had the will to do what it takes to make life better for everyone. It feels very much like a ""got mine, fuck you"" culture. I got a Master's in Healthcare Administration to better understand why it's so hard to implement universal healthcare, and the more I learned about the policies, Medicare, and Medicaid, the more I realized that it's designed to prevent universal healthcare. That was when I decided to leave and try my luck elsewhere.

Mexico was meant as a leaping pad for me to figure out where in the world I wanted to settle down. I ended up staying here for 5 years, got married to my wife, and we're now packing up to move to Europe for long-term. I'm fortunate to have obtain two additional passports (thanks WWII!) and I have emotional attachments to my grandmother's culture and homelands, so I'll be trying my luck in Poland. I plan to involved in activism and politics there to the extent possible and ensure that it keeps moving in the right direction so that future generations don't feel compelled to leave and find hope elsewhere.
I left the U.S. three years ago, and the ridiculous political climate was indeed one reason. And it should be noted that while I despise what the GOP has become, I have serious issues with the Democrats as well.

Another group I have serious problems with is the news media: you desperately want a lot of drama from the election to get more views and clicks, possibly because the public was getting tired of the constant Taylor Swift coverage. I don’t miss the NYT, Fox News, CNN, etc. in the least
Get bent, you guys are a huge part of the reason we are here.
I have absolutely been looking at where I can qualify for a visa, cost of living, political stability, and other characteristics of countries. But, like many commenters here, I blame the NYT in part for the rise of Trump through your unhinged, biased, clicks-at-all-costs coverage.
Agree.  I used to think NYT was a bastion of truth.  Some of the headlines lately are absolute garbage.  Im solidly in your target customer segment and will never subscribe now.  A publication really can’t re-earn trust once it’s lit on fire.
Based af. You just know that whatever article that comes out of this is just gonna be another clicks-at-all-costs article too. FML
There's a reason I no longer consider the NYT an unbiased, reputable news source.
Moved permanently to Switzerland after the 2020 election completely for political reasons. Everyone said it was an overreaction, everyone says they’ll leave, the same that’s happening now. Some people really have had enough and decided to leave, myself included.
Why don’t you cover Trump’s appearance in the Epstein files. Become a credible 4th estate by reporting on the actions of big actors. 
I have a pretty comfy paying career in the US and even I cant confidently say I have the means to move once I start a family (like in 1-2 years).

Moving is expensive in general, but immigration has all the legal and bureaucratic costs added on top of the costly international moves. I think most people are financially quite naive how expensive it can be, especially if they want to maintain more or less of a similar quality of life in their target country 
Big picture, yes I am happier here. Switzerland has its problems that no one will show on their insta of the trip to interlaken, but J6 really knocked something loose for me and I couldn’t look past it anymore. 

A small part of me that will always remain American will always be bitter at my countrymen for trying to ruin such a beautiful and diverse country.
The list of countries you want to move to is an accurate reflection of your personal opinion about your future in your country. 

So if someone draws parallels between current USA and of early years of Nazism in Germany (and some do) then it is logical for that person to wish to move to almost any country. (Just like people who were fleeing Nazis were not very picky about their destination). 

People who are less pessimistic about their hypothetical future in USA are more choosy about places they consider moving to. 

In another worlds: tell us list of countries you want to move to and we can see how bad you think US will become. 

( this is only applicable to migration for political and economical reasons).
We are a family replete with advanced degrees, but I'm an only child with parents approaching their nineties.  That's the only reason to stay in a fascist 2nd Trump term; to safeguard them.

Otherwise we'd be gone, with all our assets - human and financial - with us.

After Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, approximately 363,000 people fled Germany between that year and 1939. This included Jews, political opponents, intellectuals, and others who were persecuted under the Nazi regime.

Good and decent people walking away from funding hate isn't anything new.

The NYT hasn't been an authentic broker since Curveball and the ultimatum given to Chris Hedges.  Maybe you can at least seek to be a ""paper of record"" on the record of Trumpism.

It is hate made manifest.  With a 2nd term we will have given over republic to fascist authoritarianism and abandoned the idea of America.

What do you think Project 2025 is the beginning of?

JFC...",2024-07-25 14:33:54,"anger, disgust, sadness, fear, neutral"
"2024, a worldwide election year",1ecctgq,1791,"Title: 2024, a worldwide election year

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Well at least we know who’s gonna win in nk.
EU elections should have their own color.
And Belarus
Exactly. The colour could make you assume a lot of countries have a national election when it's really just the EU election and maybe some regional ones.
and Russia
There is no elections in Ukraine
And Hungary
And Russia
And Syria
Yep, you can’t conduct elections when significant part of your territory is under occupation, significant part is active war zone and a lot of your people are running from the war.
Israel isn't even having elections this year, besides they're pretty democratic
As a Russian I can say our elections (if you can even call them that) are so embarrassing.
Well the last UK election was actually pre-COVID (2019), May and then Sunak got the job after their predecessor’s resignation, which doesn’t usually trigger an election automatically.
$20 says Kim Jong Un wins his
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Israel, the UK, and France have elections like every 15 minutes.
We have absolutely no idea who's going to win in America and Modi did far worse than expected
Romania has every possible election this year btw. Local, EU, parliament and presidential. Worst thing possible. They are spending like there is no tomorrow and employing people in newly created state positions (usual way to bribe and buy electorate or reward backers). We are going bankrupt if this keeps up 💀
>isn't even having elections this year,

Miraculously, considering they had five between 2019-22; how did Bibi cockroach himself back as a result into power I will never understand
It's a *deeply* flawed/incomplete democracy. Hungary has become way less democratic under Fidesz.
Tunisian elections are democratic but the current president is so popular that they are basically just a a formality",2024-07-26 02:17:46,"surprise, disgust, neutral, sadness, anger, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral"
Election 2024: Kamala Harris campaign to launch Florida ground game this weekend,1edefei,3176,"Title: Election 2024: Kamala Harris campaign to launch Florida ground game this weekend

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Recreational Marijuana and Abortion
Is Florida in play? Don't they have referendum too that could influence voter turnout?
Jesus. It is in play.
Definitely in play and just an anecdote, but I know a lot of conservatives in FL that aren’t happy with the republicans controlling the state right now. Facing a huge crisis with homeowners insurance and the fl government is too busy demonizing kids and marijuana that could bring money into the state and help with our issues.
They just need to focus on specific places really.

Jville

I4 corridor Tampa/Pinellas/Pasco/Orange/Osceola

SoFla Broward/Dade/Palm Beach

The rest of the state is a waste.
Florida is not deep red like people think, its pink. Id say it’s in play now, considering whats on the ballot, FL dems wanted new life, and the fact that people have been turning against the GOP/Ron hard and fast.

If a major storm hits this year, its going to be hell for them, because it just means everything is about to get even more expensive and people know the republicans are not going to fix it. Everytime Ron Ron proposes “anti-woke” crap, the response is “fix my insurance!” It wasnt that way in 2020, but it is now.

but do not make the mistake of prioritizing FL over AZ, PA, MI, GA.
Florida is tired of its governor, leadership, and draconian legislation that has passed relentlessly in the last couple years.

ADD:

**UNAFFORDABLE** high cost of living with housing costs, insurance rates, and property taxes

Public education being torn apart with constant hate/ignorance laws and looted for funds (with a HUGE teacher shortage on top of it)

The conveyor belt of Victorian diseases that appear every month

And more!

It's an expensive, dirty toilet of ignorance and greed.
Yeah I’m also in FL and it’s too bad DeSantis isn’t on the ballot because I think he would lose in this environment because of the homeowners and car insurance issues right now.

I know he can’t run again but I think if we had a Gov election this year the Republicans might lose.
I live in Polk county which is one of the largest counties in Florida. They are so fucking backwards here I can't even bring the Harris name up without them destroying me. So what me and my Cuban wife are going to do. Is just vote blue all the way down the ticket! ""Go Harris"". You have brought hope back to this beautiful country.
One upside is that without DeSantis on the ballot, some Floridians might use the presidential vote as a proxy to voice their unhappiness with Republicans.
Major places in Florida want something better, I hope this flips blue.
Homeowners insurance crisis is ridiculous and the governor hasn’t done shit to even try to help it as far as I’ve seen.
I hope Florida is in play. I saw a graphic before that showed a large swath of her fundraising in the first two days coming from there
During the 2020 election I lived in Georgia and felt the same way. My wife and I just quietly voted blue all the way down and as luck and history would have it, we got both senate seats and flipped the state so narrowly Trump criminalized himself trying to overturn our collective will as voters.

Here's hoping our neighbors to the south in Florida like you and your wife can deliver a similar humiliation this election 😁
I wish the Harris campaign would work to dispel the ""but he's a good businessman"" myth.  
If he had put his daddy's money in an index fund he would be worth 10x what he is now...talk about it.
They don't need to win Florida, they need to give the impression the state is in play without actually wasting resources doing so. Then let T/V waste resources here. It's an expensive state to campaign in.
Even though it's anecdotal, it's nice to hear this. Desantis has done nothing for us and just wastes his time w culture war red meat for his base. Meanwhile most Florida's are struggling to afford everything while we're dying of heatstroke.
Ohio put both of those on a special election and won handily. Bringing these in for a presidential election is pretty spicy.
Recreational marijuana and abortion both won decisively in Ohio (some call it North Florida) last year.
That's not true, he did go after Disney World for some dumb reason

Edit: wrong Disney theme park",2024-07-27 11:42:25,"anger, hope, frustration, disappointment, optimism, disgust, neutral, joy"
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It’s a close one this year 
Slutsky
2018 Putin got only 77% 
2012, he got 64%
He even only got 53% in 2000.
This year's election was the most one-sided one the country saw since founding.
""election""
Remember, when Putin closes a door, he opens a window
You got the 80-90 percent people like Putin, Mussolini went for 99.7% or so and I think Saddam once straight up went for 101%. 

I always wonder how dictators decide what percentage they give themselves. I wonder if they have a meeting to discuss that.
my president better be a slutsky
I don't think the black color is dramatic enough. You should've also edited in some skulls over the regions with the highest vote for VVP. 

😄 FI
Selection
Or because he controls the results
There were no presidential elections in Russia prior 1991. In 1990 there were presidential elections in the USSR, but Mikhail Gorbachev was the only candidate. During soviet times there were elections to different local and union councils, but candidates were preselected by the communist party, ballots often included only one candidate. And in the Imperial Russia in 1906 there were elections to Duma, the legislative branch of power, as a result of the 1905 revolution, but Tsar Nicolas II dismantled Duma in less then three months. Russia was the last absolutist monarchy in Europe, surpassing even Ottomans. Russians are deeply paternalistic nation that didn't experience culture of democracy, in 1990s they didn't managed to develop civil society and democratic institutions ready to take responsibility over the country. Their voters were swayed by populists who promised strongmen, who would assume all their responsibilities.
Putin likely isn’t actually selecting the number itself, but between his legitimately quite massive popularity as well as the sheer institutional weight of the Russian state behind him, it’s quite hard for him *not* to win by massive margins. Like the elections and most of the votes are probably legitimate but they are very far from fair, which is an important distinction comparing him to people like Mussolini and saddam.
They SHOULD have voted for.....SLUTSKY!!!
He is associated with United Russia but is officially independent.
Totally legit.  Gotta say it's weird how everyone keeps falling off balconies but viva putan
Since 1991 or in all of Russian History?
I mean, voting for who you want isn't illegal here. It's just that, firstly, there is not a single candidate who doesn't eat orphans for breakfast, and secondly, it wouldn't matter even if you did vote for putin, as they'll just draw the same result regardless.
Just try to become his political rival and find out
He is, he's with ""United Russia"". He ran as independent this time. The whole thing was about how people ""beg"" him to run again. To be registered as a candidate when you aren't with a major party you need to gather 100k signs on your petition (with signers' full passport info, home addresses and phone numbers).

The booths for his petition were dead empty btw, unlike Nadezhdin's booths, which had crazy hours long lines. Nadezhdin ended up gathering 150k, Putin gathered over 1M. Classic Russian elections

Edit: Nadezhdin was disqualified on technicality btw
It’s more of not letting any at least somewhat popular opponents to participate. I’m going to be honest out of them 3 I only have heard of Slutsky because he was accused in some harassment towards his female colleagues.

I know there’re a lot of fake votes being used, but I feel like it’s used more so people won’t see how low the participation rates were. Even without them fake votes Putin would have won by a large margin (which is not surprising since, as I said, he was pretty much the only candidate majority of the electorate knew)",2024-07-28 20:48:51,"anger, disgust, surprise, neutral, fear, sadness, joy, neutral"
"FWI: Donald Trump is sentenced September 18, 2024, preceding election night.",1eexuwv,1802,"Title: FWI: Donald Trump is sentenced September 18, 2024, preceding election night.

Body: His sentencing date was postponed to September 18, which is just over a month away at this point. 

If you are out of the loop, Donald J. Trump, GOP presidential nominee for the 2024 general election, was found guilty on 34 felony counts of falsified business records, or fraud. 

To continue my FWI, what does the GOP fall to if he is sentenced to serve time? Do we think the supreme court cronies he installed would have any say in it, or would they potentially move it back to a point after election night? What is the likelihood of time being sentenced? 

I feel like this very major point in this election is being overlooked, and not nearly enough people are talking about it. Could this be the last chance to take down this danger to  democracy? He has now stated several times that “Christians won’t have to vote again in 4 years if I win”. 

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>To continue my FWI, what does the GOP fall to if he is sentenced to serve time? Do we think the supreme court cronies he installed would have any say in it, or would they potentially move it back to a point after election night? What is the likelihood of time being sentenced? 

For starters, Trump will not be sentenced to jail. This is his first felony conviction for a non-violent crime. At worst he will get some fines and probation. I would be shocked if he got sentenced to jail time. And even if he did, he would appeal the ruling and stay his jail sentence until after the election, so it would be moot. 

If Trump wins, I think (based on practicality) SCOTUS will agree he cannot be held in jail as the executive of the country, and he must be freed to serve the function of the POTUS. His jail sentence would be delayed until after he is out of office.
He could absolutely serve jail time.  Considering Michael cohen served for the same set of crimes but with fewer and less severe felonies, I would actually expect him to be sentenced to jail….if he wasn’t a former president and current candidate.
>He could absolutely serve jail time.

Yes he could. But ..

>if he wasn’t a former president and current candidate.

Is largely my point. I find it really hard to believe a judge is going to order jail for a current Presidential candidate for a major party a month away from the election.
I hear you but just as one of the two main political parties in the country maybe don't run a felon as your candidate? These convictions are actually the least damning ones that can be brought down on him so far. Republicans knew the amount of evidence against him/them and still ran him without even flinching.
>I find it really hard to believe a judge is going to order jail for a current Presidential candidate for a major party a month away from the election.


To add to this, *IF* he was sentenced to jail, **A LOT** of people would view this as a political move by the Dems to eliminate the competition in the election.
This is frustrating, as it makes candidacy a literal ""get out of jail free"" card. Justice should be blind.
People usually avoid prison time by making a deal with prosecutors. Something trump did not do. Along with having contempt of the court's orders multiple times. I hope he does get a sentence.
It won’t result in incarceration for Trump, specifically. Any other red blood American would be looking at a steep prison sentence.
Given what else has already occurred, this seems very insignificant. I also don't think he will get jail time, given the nature of the offence and lack of previous.

I would normally say it would completely finish an average Politician's career. In Trump's case, it would normally fire up his base even more, but I honestly don't think it's going to sway anyone either way at this point.
Most of this can't come into play in sentencing. What can come into play is his repeated violations of the gag order. First felony or not, that would give the judge grounds for a harsher sentence. 

That said, he is absolutely going to appeal the sentencing, no matter what judgment is handed down
He’ll appeal and be out of jail during appeal process.  It’s normal procedure.  However, due to the recent immunity ruling it’s more likely that sentencing will be delayed further or the verdict be set aside. 

Trump is more than likely to win an appeal on the original verdict.
I wouldn't be shocked or even bothered if they give him a prison sentence. The brazen nature of the crimes, his complete lack of remorse and continued attacks on the judicial system, his long track record of criminal and lawless behavior and speech, even absent convictions until now.


He's not going to be treated as a babe in the woods.
Bjt hey if we're apparently OK with felons being president now, should we rebook at the laws that prevent convicted persons from being able to vote then?

*edit--- I realized my phone actually autochanged a word and I didn't catch it. I am actually 100% for letting released/reconciliatiated persons be allowed to vote again. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in that we currently don't allow released felons to vote. Trump has not even served time yet so we can't even deem him as ""reconciliated""...and yet he's running for office.
Yeah, of I were that judge I'm not sure all of that would factor in
""Danger to democracy"". LMFAO, coming from a supporter of a party that had no primary, basically just giving you Biden again, then forcing him out and installing that shitshow Harris who got no votes and your party is telling you that's who your presidential candidate is.

Jesus Christ, most of you are complete morons.
People who don't make a deal generally believe they are innocent. Making a deal usually means admitting guilt.
More for the contempt he shows for the judge than the severity of the charges.
He committed numerous crimes. This is a fact. Committing crimes means paying for them. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?
Yes. It creates a mechanism for disenfranchisement that can be and is frequently weaponized by the state.
Tired of hearing people say that Democrats are behind his legal problems. 
Wake up people,  he is  the person that did all of the things he is convicted of no Democrats made him Rape women, defraud people and all of the shit he's done, he done it. LOCK HIS ASS THE FUCK UP.",2024-07-29 12:08:06,"anger, fear, disgust, surprise, neutral, sadness"
Who would YOU vote for? 2024 United States presidential election. (fixed),1efh42c,1827,"Title: Who would YOU vote for? 2024 United States presidential election. (fixed)

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“VERMIN SUPREME WILL TAKE YOUR GUNS… AND REPLACE THEM WITH BETTER ONES.”

”I AM ORDERING THE INTERDIMENSIONAL **SPACE HORSE COMMAND** TO ATTACK MIDDLE-EARTH!”

\-48th president Vermin Love Supreme
I would vote Vermin
Are Tom Cruise and Dustin Hoffman running as National Socialists???
National Scientology I guess?
Vermin Supreme on nuclear weapons: [disarmament through deployment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U74VUsw17_8)

he's got my vote
Brush your teeth! It’s the law!
National Scientology
Vermin wouldn't run under libertarian. He'd run in his own party. But outta these picks I'm taking vermin
Amy poehler as republican running mate is the most nonsensical thing about this election 😂
Implying Bernie wouldn't pick AOC.
Probably Chris Pratt and just hope he is the real life version of his Parks and Rec character, because at least then nothing would be done good or bad and it would all be hilarious.
Bernie Sanders
Don't act surprised, Tom Cruise already did a documentary where he was a National Socialist, it's called Valkyrie.
Jokes and silly games aside, he's the only legit option who can navigate America's geopolitical, economic, social, and healthcare issues out of all the candidates. I guess Vermin comes second.

None of them come close to Bernie Sanders in politics, economics, geopolitics and other problems that a nation must solve.

He's the best shot for universal healthcare and progressive tax system which actually makes the absurdly rich people pay their fair share of tax.
I think you called me a liar on TV?

https://preview.redd.it/gr6binorpkfd1.jpeg?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09a0b7093b50e95371ac276484a7d75af20a2abc

Not *unrealistic*, but all things considered...
To be fair, he was a traitor to them in that one
fun fact: the real Stauffenberg was a traitor to the leadership, but not to the ideology. He was quite okay with nazis, but he disliked inefficient leadership/dictatorship and thought an expansionist war was a stupid idea.

he did, however, share several nazi sentiments about socialists, jews, blacks and queers.
He would run with the vermin party
Didn’t he run as a libertarian in 2020? Might be wrong
I’m only 16 but I’m going to get a fake ID so I can still vote for him",2024-07-30 01:36:46,"surprise, joy, disgust, neutral, anger, joy, neutral, joy, sadness, neutral, anger, joy, neutral, anger, disgust, joy, neutral, joy, sadness, neutral, joy, neutral, joy, disgust, neutral"
Maya Rudolph To Play Kamala Harris On ‘Saturday Night Live’ Through 2024 Presidential Election,1egowzo,12212,"Title: Maya Rudolph To Play Kamala Harris On ‘Saturday Night Live’ Through 2024 Presidential Election

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That little girl was me!
Her saying ""Mom-ala"" is how I learned to pronounce Kamala correctly.
was this ever in doubt? im glad, Maya and JAJ means that we finally have great players for both candidates. Feels like its been literal decades since thats happened
""That cornpop in your story? That little cornpop was me.""
Hope she plays Kamala with a little touch of Beyoncé.
This was one of the conditions to Biden stepping down
She’s raising 4 kids in LA while her husband is out working on a massive production, she might not necessarily want to fly to NY every weekend to film a skit. This is confirmation that she’s gonna make it work. Impressive stuff from her!
""Vice President Harris, your stance on stacking the Supreme Court?""

""... I'm going to ignore that exact question, and instead tell you the story of when Joe picked me to be his running mate. We were at dinner, he got down on one knee, and that's when I realized... he needed help up.""
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Look I get the people lamenting that the current cast didn't get a shot but the fact is no one on the show now is better suited than Maya for this role.
At least Maya was actually once a cast member, unlike Baldwin or Jim Carrey. Not Maya’s fault that she was hired in 2000 and her most iconic impression would not be needed for 20 years. Same with Tina Fey and Palin
I hope that they get Shane Gillis to play Trump. His Trump impression is incredible and Baldwin's was never that great.
The Beyoncé she used to do for those “the prince show” sketches is still my fav bit of hers
And just in time for Alec Baldwin to be cleared of all charges and available for guest starring.
Last time Maya and Jim Carrey signed 6-episode contracts and relocated for the duration. 

Maya ended up sticking around even longer, until the Christmas break, then came back to host months later. She was basically a cast member that season.
Mama needs a GIF.
James Austin Johnson has a great trump, he was basically brought in for the impression.
Oh yeah? Well I’m doesn’t
I'm just excited to see who gets stuck playing Vance.
Just needed some Commalas.",2024-07-31 14:42:17,"joy, admiration, anticipation, surprise, neutral"
Maya Rudolph To Play Kamala Harris On ‘Saturday Night Live’ Through 2024 Presidential Election,1egox8d,10116,"Title: Maya Rudolph To Play Kamala Harris On ‘Saturday Night Live’ Through 2024 Presidential Election

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If Kamala wins, they need to hire someone new to play her like when they hired James Austin Johnson.
Glad I got to see Madame President at the Vampire Weekend show this weekend!!!
JAJ could probably do a decent Harris
This was a bit of a no-brainer. Maya absolutely destroys when she’s back on the show. Her “I’m Your Mother” monologue was an all-time great and her Beyonce on the Hot Wings parody had me literally crying laughing. She’s going to kill it. Kamala/Buttigieg 2024! #whitedudeslikecolinjostforharris
Maya is amazing as Kamala, but it’s continually frustrating to see celebrities/former cast members being brought in for the “big” roles. There is a huge, talented cast that should be utilized, regardless of the celebrity being parodied.
Damn, so Lorne pushed back production on an entire TV series (Loot) just so he could have Maya for election season.
Fred armisen
JAJ is playing Trump this time, so we're already ahead of the 2020 season. And I doubt either VP will be stunt cast this time.

Vance will probably be Bowen, and TBD White Man will probably be Mikey (or maybe Molly if he's bald).
This business decision fucked over hundreds of crew members who were working on Season 3 of her show Loot. We were suddenly told on a Friday that work had been disbanded to be resumed at a later date, which looks to be January 2O25 now. Many of us have been out of work for 15 months to 2 years because of strikes and industry cutbacks. It’s really a horrible thing to do to promise a job and give crew start dates for filming and then rip it away. I won’t be watching.
That honestly seems like a no brainer decision. Maya plays Kamala Harris, and every week there’s a new clip of her circling the internet for most of the week from the last SNL. Think of how often we saw Baldwin and his Trump impression.
Molly would be an amazing Vance. And OH MY GOD would it piss them off so much.
Bowen as the couch would be a GREAT Weekend Update guest!
I could see Marcello or Longfellow playing Vance. 

I want Bowen available to play the couch 😂
Same ! With the SNL closing theme music as well!
lol plenty of people complain if you spend some time on this sub
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Love this for Maya
I mean they’re both women of color but Ego looks absolutely nothing like Kamala imo. It would come off kind of tone deaf lol
Interesting that you don't think Molly would be Vance.
We made the same assumptions in 2016. VOTE!
I'm pretty sure Loot is produced by Lorne's Broadway Video company, too, so he and Maya both had a say here.",2024-07-31 14:42:33,"joy, sadness, anger, surprise, neutral, disgust"
Harris Energizes Gen Z Voters Who Planned to Sit Out 2024 Election,1egqh44,3568,"Title: Harris Energizes Gen Z Voters Who Planned to Sit Out 2024 Election

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>“The energy has completely shifted,” said Antonio Arellano, 33, vice president of communications at NextGen America. “**We haven’t seen this energy since President Barack Obama’s 2008 candidacy**.”

Yep, this is PRECISELY what the summer of 2008 felt like. As the kids would say, ""immaculate vibes.""
Pulling for Gen Z to show up! Go team Gen Z.
It's better.  Obama emerged from a bitter primary battle with Clinton.  There were hard feelings.  Nobody is mad now.  It's cool.
Be the change you wish to see in the world Gen Z. That saying has never been more applicable. Your futures (like the rest of ours) are literally at stake.
I can say first-hand that this is an accurate take.
>After supporting Biden in 2020, Elgart said the president had lost his vote over his handling of the war in Gaza. 

It's great this person has decided to vote in the upcoming election instead of sitting out, but this type of logic for sitting out makes no sense to me.

You're going to stay home instead of voting because of this one situation you aren't happy with Biden's actions on. By doing so you increase the chances of the other guy getting elected, who would handle that situation worse, and by the way that other guy has stated that after this next election no one will need to vote if he gets into office.

I just can't follow the logic. No candidate will ever be perfect. You vote for the one who is ticks the most boxes for you and then in primaries you vote for the candidates who tick even more boxes in hopes that you get more of what you're looking for. This all or nothing tuff drives me crazy.
""Yes let's not vote until we get the perfect candidate and lead ourselves into a dictatorship""


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It's true. That entire primary with Michigan being disqualified by the party for breaking scheduling rules was wild. I lived in Michigan at that time and went out in the snow to vote for ""uncommitted"" because Obama wouldn't appear on the ballot if the state broke the rules.

Then Clinton ended up with Michigan's delegates and it just got so damn messy.

I was glad it worked out and Clinton was a great Secretary of State, but you're right -- it was tense from like April through July 2008.
> Be the change you wish to see in the world Gen Z.

Be nice if us older folks actually gave them credit instead of constantly feeding into the ""Yutes don't show up, curse those yutes!"" propaganda that allows campaigns to marginalize or ignore issues that are important to them...

> [Half of Youth Voted in 2020, An 11-Point Increase from 2016](https://circle.tufts.edu/latest-research/half-youth-voted-2020-11-point-increase-2016)

And again,

> [Gen Z Voted at a Higher Rate in 2022 than Previous Generations in their First Midterm Election](https://circle.tufts.edu/latest-research/gen-z-voted-higher-rate-2022-previous-generations-their-first-midterm-election)
Amazing how fast everyone who was arguing Biden should stay in got over it. And the credit for that really belongs to how graciously Joe Biden handled this. I'm sure he's not happy to step aside, but he's doing all the right things to unify people behind Kamala rather than being bitter.
Yep. That was me. I had some personal reasons and I legitimately thought it would be better strategically. 

But I was dead wrong, and it was glaringly obvious in less than 48 hours. I couldn’t be happier about it. 

And I can just get over the personal crap.
Same, I work with some of them.  They think Trump's an idiot but also didn't see any reason to go vote for Biden.  I've already convinced some go to early vote with me.
Gen Z! From a millennial.  We need you to help us save the country. Show them how pissed off you are about what has been taken from us. Let’s show them we are the generations that think about the future for us and others. I was definitely feeling doom and gloom before all these changes. We need Gen Z vote more than ever. 


The way I see it is that I need to do as much as I can to make sure my daughter has the rights and freedoms that she deserves. How else could I call myself a father! I’m also thinking of everyone else that’s come after me. The same way my dad did.
What's funny is I was against him dropping out because I was afraid it was going to hamstring chances in November. Known vs unknown and all that.

However, I am fully on board with this switch. The energy, the sassy campaign, the memes, it's fantastic.
The people that couldn't tell the difference between Biden and Trump. Smh. 
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No, because Obama - for all of his credits - naively thought that the Republicans would work with him from 2009-2011, and they absolutely would not.

President Harris (Xenu willing) will make no such mistake, and the midterms should be about expanding on her agenda rather than kowtowing to a bunch of weird lunatics in the name of bipartisanship.
Remember: request your mail-in ballot early if it'll help you vote.
*From Bloomberg News reporters Akayla Gardner and Jarrell Dillard:*

Cameron Elgart, a 23-year-old musician who lives in Idaho, was dismayed at the prospect of another presidential race pitting Joe Biden against Donald Trump. He planned to sit out November’s election.

After supporting Biden in 2020, Elgart said the president had lost his vote over his handling of the war in Gaza. Now that Vice President Kamala Harris is running in Biden’s place, he’s changed his mind about staying on the sidelines.

“There’s so much more that I like about Kamala,” said Elgart, noting the Democratic candidate’s background as a prosecutor and her youth, at age 59, compared with Biden, who is 81. “She’s just a more suited candidate for young people.”

More than half of swing-state voters age 18 to 34 said they are more likely to take part in the November election now that Biden has left the race, the latest Bloomberg News/Morning Consult [poll](https://pro-assets.morningconsult.com/wp-uploads/2024/07/Bloomberg-Swing-State-Wave-10.pdf) found. Some 38% said his exit made them much more likely to cast a ballot, while 16% said it made them somewhat more likely to vote.

Only 3% of respondents in that age group said that Biden’s move made them much less likely to participate.

The under-30 demographic has broken for Democrats for [decades](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-14/us-republicans-face-widening-gap-with-young-voters-data-show) and Generation Z — loosely defined as those born between the late 1990s and early 2010s — helped propel the party to victory in 2020 and in the 2022 midterms. Yet Democratic leaders were worried Biden’s unpopularity would diminish youth turnout and tip the race to Trump, the Republican nominee for the third consecutive presidential election.

Since announcing her candidacy, Harris has shown strength in areas where Biden looked weak, making up ground in several polls, including in battleground states that could decide the election, and drawing a torrent of campaign funds. Online, the campaign’s social-media accounts have rapidly accumulated followers and viral memes have refreshed Harris’ image with young voters who had known her as Biden’s understudy.

The Harris campaign’s TikTok account — previously Biden’s — has seen its follower count jump from 440,000 to more than 2.7 million since Biden dropped out. Harris also launched her own [personal](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-25/vice-president-kamala-harris-joins-tiktok-following-meme-surge) account, which has garnered roughly 3.6 million followers.

“She is all over TikTok,” said Zoe Sather, a 19-year-old who lives in Arizona and plans to vote for Harris. “That’s one resource that all young people use.”

[You can read the full story here](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-07-31/kamala-harris-uses-tiktok-to-pull-in-gen-z-voters-after-biden-s-exit), and check out our [exclusive swing-state poll](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-07-30/kamala-harris-erases-trump-s-swing-state-lead-in-2024-election-poll) on the presidential candidates in the race for Election 2024.",2024-07-31 15:46:01,"joy, surprise, anger, neutral, joy, joy, anger, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy,"
How an Elon Musk PAC is using voter data to help Trump beat Harris in 2024 election,1eie39b,3358,"Title: How an Elon Musk PAC is using voter data to help Trump beat Harris in 2024 election

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>The website says it will help the viewer register to vote. But once a user clicks “Register to Vote,” the experience he or she will have can be very different, depending on where they live.  
>  
>If a user lives in a state that is not considered competitive in the presidential election, like California or Wyoming for example, they’ll be prompted to enter their email addresses and zip code and then directed quickly to a voter registration page for their state, or back to the original sign up section.  
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>But for users who enter a zip code that indicates they live in a battleground state, like Pennsylvania or Georgia, the process is very different.  
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>Rather than be directed to their state’s voter registration page, they instead are directed to a highly detailed personal information form, prompted to enter their address, cell phone number, and age.  
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>If they agree to submit all that, the system still does not steer them to a voter registration page. Instead, it shows them a “thank you” page.
What the fuck. This should definitely be illegal.
Elon Musk is the evil billionaire comic books tried to warn us about.
Pretty sure it actually is.
This is illegal. Guys, please report this following these instructions:

https://www.usa.gov/voter-fraud
This is illegal suppression. We need to report this.
https://www.usa.gov/voter-fraud

>How to report voter fraud, intimidation, or suppression
If you suspect voter fraud, report it to your state or territorial election office. You can also report it to:

>A local FBI office
>A local U.S. attorney's office
>The Public Integrity Section of the Department of Justice's Criminal Division

>If you witness or suspect voter intimidation or suppression, there are three ways you can report it:

>Contact your state or territorial election office
>Contact the Voting Section of the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice
>Use the Election Complaint Report online form""
Surprised they used the link to the actual YouTube video. And the comments in the video aren't disabled yet, not a wise move
Elon doing something illegal because he's a fucking idiot? I am shocked I tell you, just shocked.
Actually super illegal, just straight up voter fraud.
He sort of seems like the guy who would buy the store you worked in to fire you...
So glad I deleted my account when he took over.
I would love to see this prick go to prison.
Isn't that why he originally bought Twitter in the first place?
He's rich, they don't have prisons for the rich.
It.. kinda seems like he's, maybe, *interfering* with the election?
Well he's gonna try.
Twitter…""X""🤮 is awful. I can’t believe people/News really still uses it. I checked it for the first time in a year the other day and immediately got suggested low effort/MEGA racist bullshit. We can go anywhere else but CNN will still take our nation’s temperature with X.
Twitter…""X""🤮 is awful. I can’t believe people/News really still uses it. I checked it for the first time in a year the other day and immediately got suggested low effort/MEGA racist bullshit. We can go anywhere else but CNN will still take our nation’s temperature with X.",2024-08-02 16:13:19,"anger, surprise, disgust, sadness"
Kyrie gives a very profound insightful take on the 2024 American Election,1eig0z4,4334,"Title: Kyrie gives a very profound insightful take on the 2024 American Election

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Third eye Ky on terribly edited Facebook boomer political memes

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Brother Irving got me thinking

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Which politician is Mr. Irving referring to here? 🧐
It's clearly Michael Dukakis.
Lebum and Savannah
im13andthisisdeep
You know the country is screwed when Kyrie can accurately describe how politics work
You know shits fucked when I can't even tell which side he's making fun of.
Former Massachusetts Governor Michael Dukakis today

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I have no idea which candidate it's supposed to refer to
Ah yes, I hope the youth listens to the man who believes in flat earth and vaccines connecting black people to Satan to get deep political analysis.
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Yakub Bryant
I'm starting to feel like these politicians might not have my best interest in mind
Yahweh whispers plays in his ears while he parts defenders like the Red Sea. הנסיך שעתיד לבוא יחתום גם על חזון וגם על נביא, צריך לשים לב אליו. חייליו יהרסו את העיר ואת בית המקדש. סופו יבוא במבול, ועד הסוף תהיה מלחמה. אף אחד לא ינצח את המשחק שלו, הוא המלך האמיתי היחיד של הידיות, וכולם יהיו עדים

Educate yourself
I came when reading this, thank you
Yakub

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Like lying about revoking Roe v Wade. Both sides are the same is dumb as hell and the absolute laziest take.
Dukakis played in a weak era against plumbers and still couldn’t win a chip 🤣
If it’s Kamala something about Israel probably because of his feelings on Jews. If it’s Trump, it’s probably about him reaching out to Black voters",2024-08-02 17:31:09,"joy, anger, disgust, surprise"
'Swifties for Kamala' ready to speak in 2024 presidential election,1eim50s,10446,"Title: 'Swifties for Kamala' ready to speak in 2024 presidential election

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If Swifties would unite with the Beyhive it would be over before it even started.
Her finger is on the button, as soon as Taylor Swift endorses Harris, Trump's going to have a pretty bad time. You don't piss off K-Pop stans and you don't piss off Swifties.
get both of them on stage with Dolly Parton for a Kamala fundraiser and we got ourselves a serious stew brewin
As a chiefs fan and harris supporter, I've found a lot in common with swifties over the last few months lmao.
Dolly supports hospitals, animal sanctuaries, and scholarships. Her politics is hidden in the plain sight.
Swift may be one of Harris' trump cards around October or so. Pun intended.
Oh god please someone ask Trump about K-Pop.
She has a book program for kids. Someone signed our daughter up for it, and so we get a free book from Dolly once a month or so. There are classic children's books in the mix, but there are also newer books and bilingual books.   
  
They also send out a birthday email that includes a video from Dolly where she sings happy birthday. Our daughter got a big kick out of that on her birthday recently.

Dolly is awesome.
You're all really underestimating the bump Trump is going to get once Trapt hits the road playing to tens of fans in VFWs across the country.
BTS army, standing by
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Watch Swift perform at the DNC, lmao. But yeah, she needs to wait till late October to endorse if they want that swing
the ""Be Swift"" movement
I've always hated the Chiefs, and Harrison Butker makes it easier. I sure would love for someone like Travis Kelce to make it a bit harder.
My Swiftie niece is already making vote for kamala bracelets, just like the ones they make for her concerts.
Universal rules in this strange, chaotic timeline 
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BeySwift!
We need the original Swiftie to speak!
""I love the Koreans, odd boys dancing though. No one has done more for Koreans than me. Kim jong Un, interesting man, tried to make peace, no one makes peace better than me. Biden can't make peace, he can't spell peace. No one spells like us do they folks? J.D. Vance's son likes the Koreans, maybe too much. Calls them Pikachu? Smart kid. Like Ivanka, she's the smartest.""",2024-08-02 21:42:54,"joy, excitement, admiration, anticipation, humor, surprise, neutral"
"[FWI] Trump dies before the 2024 election, but his campaign decides to weekend at bernie's him instead of announcing it to the public",1einqnx,1228,"Title: [FWI] Trump dies before the 2024 election, but his campaign decides to weekend at bernie's him instead of announcing it to the public

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This is a guy who can’t keep his mouth shut for more than a day and whose writing/speaking style is so weirdly inimitable that you couldn’t keep up the masquerade that he’s alive for more than a few days before people start finding it really suspicious.

They can certainly try that, but it’s going to look REALLY conspicuous when people notice his unhinged/delusional rants at stupid o’clock in the morning have either stopped or no longer sound like him.
To test this I asked ChatGPT to imitate Donald Trump talking about breakfast 



Absolutely, I can do that. Here’s how it might sound if Donald Trump were discussing breakfast:



“Listen folks, breakfast is huge. It’s the most important meal of the day, believe me. I know all about it. You’ve got to have a tremendous breakfast, the best breakfast. I’m talking about the best pancakes, the finest bacon—people say I have the best bacon, nobody cooks bacon like me. And eggs, you can’t forget the eggs. Sunny side up, scrambled, doesn’t matter—just the best eggs, the absolute best. It’s all about winning breakfast. You start your day right, you’re going to have a great day. We’re making breakfast great again, folks, and nobody does breakfast like we do. Believe me!”
They put a combover wig on the guy that played Baron Harkkonen in Dune 2, and try to pass him off as Trump.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Maybe 2015 Donald.

 but 2024 Donald would be more like :

""Nobody knows breakfast like me. They tell me all the time- they say; wow the breakfast is tremendous. And the late-great Hannibal Lector, the Democrats keep saying nasty things about Hannah- they did. No country in our history has ever had such a disaster. Look at China, they have trade with them, and when I am back as President I will stop the Democrats, they are some really bad people. We have made a tremendous deal wi- the media says all the time- we are winning bigly.""
Like yea it sounds like him but it's honestly too coherent lol
I don't know - ChatGPT is pretty good at imitating people, and with Trump you don't have to worry about the occasional word salad or complete lack of grounding in reality tipping your hand - they just make it more authentic.
The Baron from David Lynch's original Dune movie from the 80s looks way more like Trump.
These Reddit fantasies get weirder and sicker every day.
Given his current health?  Yeah, that's plausible.  He has a variety of conflicting conditions that don't bode well for those of advanced age.
His chances of winning would improve.
MAGA will just cook up a conspiracy that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were shooting heart attack or stroke rays at him using George Soros' Jewish space laser.

Oh hell, I might even start that one myself just to see how far it gets.
I spot it after he claimed he cooks bacon. To a misogynistic elitist like him cooking is so far beneath him he wouldn’t even think to brag about it unless he was on a cooking show or something stupid.
The guy who is running for President after killing a million Americans due to incompetence? Yeah, so weird to think about him.
I am shocked that he has survived this long. Oh well they say only the good die young.
What conditions?   I haven't heard anything.
Stress of the election and being overweight can cause health issues and there's probably underlying health problems that the public isn't privy to.
I could see him saying this
The first time I recall hearing about 'no group of people has every been treated so badly' (referring to republicans), I thought about it for a few moments, and out popped the slaves and several other examples.

A bit of research with wikipedia confirmed my thought that if not most, damn near most presidents have done terrible things, from Operation Wetback on.

(This is not counting things that were terrible, but arguably done for good reason)
Worked for Andropov when Brezhnev died in '82, gave him 2 weeks to consolidate his position in the parry before announcing to the world that he had died.

So I guess in order for this to work, Vance will have to be ruthless and ready to execute potential rivals with gunshots to the back of the head. Brezhnev rarely appeared in public, so it was easy to pretend he was alive. Trump is a media animal, so it's much harder to keep him sequestered. It would be easy to impersonate his social media, but at some point he will have to show up somewhere and start riffing like he does.
>sicker

Ok I get it's a little them of them, but sicker is melodramatic",2024-08-02 22:52:49,"disgust, anger, surprise, fear, neutral, sadness, joy, surprise, anger, disgust, neutral, sadness, disgust, anger, fear, surprise, disgust, anger, fear, surprise, disgust, anger, sadness, fear,"
Verifiable results of the 2024 presidential election of Venezuela by Municipality,1ek5lj0,3553,"Title: Verifiable results of the 2024 presidential election of Venezuela by Municipality

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Anyone know what are pop counts of these regions? 

Kinda wonder why they didnt put that in the chart tbh. Not that it would make Maduro look any better, just more accurately exactly how bad it is.
Wtf. I didn't know the election scandal was THIS bad. I feel for Venezuelans, man.
The opposition won for almost three times the amount Maduro got.

There’s been riot and detention the whole week, government has detained more than 1600 people and killed (confirmed) 16 people, last Thursday I think President Maduro says it would started to build reeducation centers for the protesters aka concentration camps. Police and National Guard is checking phones and interrogated people is a chaos right now
The way the voting system works is that at the end of the day, each machine prints off what was voted for, and how many. These receipts are then signed off by both sides to verify they are valid.

Those receipts had pictures taken of them, or they have physical copies of each one of those machines for 80%+ of the country.

The reason Maduro can't release results and fabricate results is due to the paper trail.
I couldn't find data for individual counties, but there is a graph for states on Wikipedia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024\_Venezuelan\_presidential\_election#/media/File:2024\_Presidential\_Election\_Results\_by\_State\_en.png](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Venezuelan_presidential_election#/media/File:2024_Presidential_Election_Results_by_State_en.png)

Maduro lost in all states and received half as many votes overall as his opponent
Are these equal population districts?
No those are the municipes similar to counties in the USA
Verified by who?
Only it shows all the big cities voting for the opposition as well. Maracaibo, Caracas, Valencia, Barquisimeto, Ciudad Guayana are all blue to dark blue.
Well, the government destroyed all the power of the unions and guilds, so there is no way to call for a general strike, but the country is working halfway. The productive apparatus has been destroyed for years there’s barely industry left
Ok so, since it makes me so happy seeing people paying attention and expressing concern on the elections in my country, I think is fair to explain some things a little better:

**What about population density?**  
Venezuela is a relatively urban country, with the 85% of the venezuelans living on the north-western and north-center part of the country in states like Zulia, Miranda, Carabobo, Lara, Aragua, Anzoátegui and the Capital District. And biggest population centers are also fierce opposition strongholds, with cities like the capital Caracas (64% Gonzalez 32% Maduro), Maracaibo (75% EG 24% NM), Valencia (73% EG 24% NM), Barquisimeto (73% EG 24% NM) and Ciudad Guayana (72% EG 25 NM) together accounting 1/4th of the total population.

**But this map doesn't matches the official results given by the National Electoral Council (CNE)!**

The opposition party (PUD), as part of their strategy to secure their victory against Maduro, organized their electoral witnesses, voluntaries (allowed by law) whose objective were to oversee the elections and receive a copy of the count receipt given by the voting machine which would be later collected by them and published on the webpage cited as source. This receipts are, by law, non-confidential, encrypted, inalterable ( [according to the government](https://twitter.com/gustavoalonsoj/status/1819473028679659882) ), all political parties are allowed to publish them after the first results report given by the CNE, and the CNE is obligated to publish the contents of those receipts within 48 hours.

The CNE gave their first results report (which are, for the record, [mathematically fraudulent](https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/1eg4xj7/mathematics_expose_amateurish_fraud_in_venezuela/) because the numbers are nearly perfect percentages) and then the opposition released their results pages which are taken from those receipts which were handed to the opposition witnesses by the voting table staff. Results which are displayed in this map.

**How do I know that these receipts are real?**

You can check the validity of each receipt by scanning the QR code which is a copy of the raw data sent to the National Electoral Council, or go to any social media app and search for the the many public counts and compare the results with the corresponding receipt in the page; but if you know something about cryptography, you can verify the integrity of the receipt with the hash (which is related with the MAC address of the machine) and electronic signature above and below the document.

If you're Venezuelan, just ask your neighbor if the signature matches, since the voting staff are selected by proximity to the nearest voting center.

It's impossible to forge these receipts without anyone noticing unless you're the National Electoral Council. That's why the CNE, the Maduro's coalition and other opposition parties hasn't yet published their receipts, because they know that these receipts are inalterable.

They're encrypted, linked with an single machine, signed by voting center staff which information is publicly available on the CNE website, there's 30.000 of voting tables, the receipts are handed and verified by said staff on a literal classroom filled with millitary officers, and the results are counted publicly by the staff once the voting period ends. The procedure is very strict and I can assure you that this is the most (and only) secure and transparent step of Venezuelan elections.

**Isn't the Essequibo Guayana's?**  
It doesn't really matter. This is, by custom, the map of Venezuela.
The red parts are, in fact, mostly empty stretches of nothing. Except Sucre which is like the one state Madur might've won apparently
Associated Press, El País and the Colombian electoral observers checked the results and said they are coherent. I also saw some experts in Twitter say that the results are congruent with some mathematical laws that make them very convincing. For example, all digits are distributed in an almost equal proportion, which is what happens with random numbers. Of course, the most important part is that the results of every voting table are supported by tallies which include a series of codes and signatures that are impossible to falsify. As chavista leader Juan Barreto said, ""for it to be falsified, they would need the complicity of the electoral institution or otherwise technologies that do not exist"".
Guyana shouldn't be on their map. Venezuela has claimed 74% of their neighbor, and only re-ignites their claim when they have internal disputes and need to distract the Venezuelan public.
verified by who?
This is incorrect. The Carter Center issued a statement saying that they cannot verify or corroborate the results of the Venezuelan election. But they also DID NOT corroborate the opposition’s results saying Gonzalez won. Same goes for the UN.

https://www.cartercenter.org/news/pr/2024/venezuela-073024.html
Gives me 'land doesn't vote' vibes then.
Maduro es un  hijo de puta
Wait, so they didn't even rig the voting machine and just faked results after observers got an accurate printout? That's more blatant cheating then I expected. Do they think people are stupid or something?
maduro is like voldemort",2024-08-04 20:52:31,"anger, sadness, fear, surprise, disgust, neutral, joy"
Maddow: Pro-Trump Administrators already in place to subvert the 2024 election,1ela7gk,7028,"Title: Maddow: Pro-Trump Administrators already in place to subvert the 2024 election

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This isn't getting the coverage it needs. If Trump loses the election, he's going to claim it was rigged, the planted electors will refuse to certify the votes, it will be challenged, and then eventually brought to the SCOTUS where the worst could possibly happen. It's absolutely terrifying.
The problem they have now is they’d be stealing it from a popular candidate the people have an emotional investment in. It’s a lot harder to get people to sleepwalk through that.
It's increasingly likely that Harris will win by an absolute landslide, beyond any reasonable objection, then they will stupidly and clumsily proceed with their planned heist anyway. It's really their last chance to do so, there won't be any finesse or subtlety to it.

It's just those annoying assholes ""rules lawyering"" and expecting everyone else to just give up and follow along with it ""Because you have to nuh uh""... I think we've learned a thing or two since the 1930's.
This is really really scary. WE need to act now to prevent it.
I would absolutely not assume it will be a landslide. The EC just isn’t set up for Democrats to win landslides. It’s set up for Republicans to win even without a popular vote majority. Plus we haven’t gotten into the real meat of the election season yet. Harris is still riding high on her novelty. Trump and MAGA are vicious and nothing is off the table, doubly so when you remember it’s win or go to jail for Trump. And Trump’s base votes reliably, unlike Democrats and college kids.
Don’t bank on a Harris landslide - that ain’t happening.  But the best case scenario is basically like 2020 where Biden won all the swing states (even if the margins were tight).  

They ran their “stop the steal” playbook anyways, but it doesn’t work across like 4 states.  The nightmare scenario is it coming down to one state (like PA), where we could have a repeat of 2000.
They’ve already admitted to doing work in the background with judges and others to subvert the elections.
So essentially to sum up the small takeaway on what we can do about this now according to Marc Elias: 

Spread the word on social media, on the street, EVERYWHERE YOU POSSIBLY CAN, in order to bring more awareness to this danger 

At the same time, we can attend these canvas board meetings, file comments before the state election boards(ESPECIALLY IN GEORGIA).  And in our own counties, we can know who is on those boards and attend their meetings.  Do all of these as MUCH as possible and we can defeat these efforts to subvert the election as Marc Elias says here.
These people who refuse to certify elections should be put on notice that they will be personally sued and could lose everything.
The DOJ needs ro get involved **now**
Yeah, don’t forget there are 70 million idiots in this country that voted for him in 2020. They didn’t just disappear.
Jan 6th happened after the 2020 vote. My grandparents are never trumpers since that day
College kids may vote if Taylor Swift comes out in support of Harris. Don’t fuck with the Swifties, man.
I think this is under appreciated. You hear so many stories of people not supporting Trump after Jan 6th. They just aren’t screaming it everywhere they go like those still in the cult.
We should fire Garland and get someone that actually gives a shit about this country as the AG
There were some county board members in AZ that refused to certify the 2022 midterms - so the AG charged them with multiple felony counts.

Procedures differ state by state, but there are consequences for those that want to fuck around and find out.  As usual, Trump’s cult members seem willing to sacrifice themselves for their leader.  Such a pathetic disgrace.
Part of the reason why insurrectionists need to be dealt with quickly and harshly is so future insurrectionists are under no delusion what will happen to them.
I watched Maddow earlier tonight, and this made me scared, then pissed, and then resolute to do something about it.  

Marc Elias is a national treasure - always on the frontlines fighting new GOP-led election shenanigans.  Makes me want to take a break from soulless corporate law, and go work for his legal team to defend democracy.
I’m terrified …

But also, everyone should read and understand this.

They’re going to try, and we need to be ready. But it’s not as terrifying as it would be if these states were all
Solid GOP ground.
The fake electors would just be ignored.  Democrats run the elections in 6 of the 7 swing states, so Republicans can mess around all they want, it won’t matter once the Governor, Attorney General, and Secretary of State certify the election in those states.",2024-08-06 05:59:17,"fear, anger, disgust, fear, anger, sadness, fear, anger, sadness, fear, anger, sadness, anger, fear, anger, sadness, fear, anger, sadness, fear, anger, sadness, fear, anger, sadness"
Trump Supporters Are Ready to Subvert the 2024 General Election By Refusing to Certify the Election at the Local Level ,1elf1sc,4415,"Title: Trump Supporters Are Ready to Subvert the 2024 General Election By Refusing to Certify the Election at the Local Level 

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This is their big plan that they think they're keeping secret like project 2025. 

  
Lol.
FBI should pay them a visit and let them know of their duties.
This is why Trump mentioned the 3 members of the Georgia Election Board(MAGA), during his speech in Atlanta on Saturday. Typically, people who do admin for the election, do not get shoutouts during campaign speeches, unless they are working with the candidate specifically, and they have a reason to know your name. 

[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/08/05/trump-praises-georgia-election-board/74674946007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/08/05/trump-praises-georgia-election-board/74674946007/)
They should.  

Based on their obvious refusal to remind even their own officers of their duty, I doubt the FBI will do anything.
Marc Elias, founder of Democracy Docket, talks with Rachel Maddow about how Donald Trump supporters are implementing a strategy of embedding themselves in the administrative side of the election so they can subvert the certification of the election if the outcome is not in Trump's favor.
This is why Trump thinks folks won't have to vote in the future.
At about 7 minutes into the video Marc essentially says,

'Making this public is a big part of the battle. Speak out, don't stay silent. Each of you can post on social media, attend canvas board meetings, file comments in Georgia before the state election board.  In your own counties you can know who is on these boards and you can attend those meetings'

This attempt to stop certification toward the goal of reinstalling the ex president has been posted on Reddit occasionally for weeks but it rarely seems to get more than a few hundred upvotes.

I don't know why, since it seems the most alarming story in the news, but it really seems to deserve more engagement from people if they want to keep the US a democratic republic rather than say, christofacist.

And there is always one comment that says we have systems in place to prevent it, or the president can just abuse his office using scotus immunity,

but scotus can interpret their ruling however they want and seem ready to rule in the opposite direction.

These sort of comments are false reassurance and serve  only to weaken any resistance
He’s not going to win. He’s going to cheat and still lose.
I really wish the current administration would act on this publicly, drag it out into the spotlight.
bold move Cotton, let's see how that plays out for them..


Seriously, this is the USA not a banana republic, one way or another they will be snuffed out. My fear is Trump actually winning the vote.
They are not trying to keep it secret. Donald Trump was publicly bragging about it.
I forget who said it, but a while back a republican bragged during an interview that they had plans to win the election that the democrats hadn't even thought of. They never expect trump to just blurt shit out, but he keeps doing it and they can't stop him.
From your lips to God’s ears, sir.
And they’ve learned from their 60+ lost election cases which “evidence” they have to manufacture.
This is exactly what Trump has done to escape accountability for his crimes - delay, delay, delay until scotus swoops in with some BS made up garbage to let him have his way. He will do it again. We have to stop this shit.
Not to mention the segment at the end of this show about how Trump was paid $10 million by Egypt.. the biggest presidential scandal in history that was suppressed by Bill Barr.
Here's the thing with Georgia BoE, they just recently rammed through 2 new rules. 1, that they are going to hand count every vote (delay); 2, they can challenge a certification for ANY amount of suspected fraud. Literally, anything. This will allow them to delay as long as they possibly can before the state supreme Court has to get involved, which will cause further delay.

Something else I heard, but can't remember where. One of Trump's mouthpieces was in an interview and the interviewer said something about ""well, we'll find out on election day"" and the mouthpiece said, ""the election ain't over until inauguration day"".  Read as: everything will be strung out, delayed, challenged, challenged again, challenged again, appealed, etc.... right up until Jan 6 (or if this guy is to be believed) Jan 20, 2025.

Edit: found it: https://missouriindependent.com/2024/07/18/top-trump-adviser-says-2024-election-not-over-until-inauguration-day/

Edit 2: Added link to more  info about the Georgia board of electors rule changes: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/12/georgia-fulton-county-paper-ballots-elections
Exactly. It'll be like the elections in Russia now, where they allow a few opposition candidates to exist to give the people (and the rest of the world) an illusion of choice, but then the incumbent just wins by a landslide anyways.
It was one of the guys from project 2025.
No need to keep it secret, when the Court criminally supports the “candidate” in violation of the law.  Ultimately, the enforcement of the law comes down to what the People want or will allow. So far, the masses have allowed gross abuses by officials at every level. So why wouldn’t the officials continue to try for ever bigger power grabs?",2024-08-06 11:14:33,"anger, fear, disgust, sadness"
Kamala Harris picks Tim Walz as VP running mate for 2024 election,1elhkva,7777,"Title: Kamala Harris picks Tim Walz as VP running mate for 2024 election

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This is an amazing pick! Walz is the least pro-Israel among the candidates. [He complimented the pro-Palestinian non-committed voters](https://x.com/jacobkornbluh/status/1765237965297533373?s=46&t=fR0YcPpTt4fvFCLxodhtHQ). He also called for a cease-fire last year and urged more humanitarian aid to enter Gaza. If this pick is any indication, it means that Kamala actually listened to the pro-Palestinian and anti-genocide voters. 

Edit: this of course is not enough. They should unite together to stop the genocide and push for embargo on weapons for Israel!
Shockingly good choice, even they must've realized a loud and proud zionist was simply not a good look. Ben shapiro's currently having a meltdown on twitter over it, very amusing to see
This makes me so happy - probably the best possible move they could have made. He reminds me of my dad (a compliment!) - a salt-of-the-earth former teacher who just wants people to have good lives. Love how warm and relatable he is.
Minnesotan here and I am so hype. Other states are jealous of how much good policy we’ve passed.

It’s time to make Megasota real. We will eat the dakotas!
https://preview.redd.it/08niuiu382hd1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3807b9ee4da98332aa61a36efb2f8139beab279c
I’m not from the U.S., but I’m really hoping this means she may actually put her foot down if elected. She could win by a landslide if she announced stopping weapons shipments to Israel and an end to the genocide tomorrow.

ETA: Which gcide apologist sent me a reddit cares for this comment lmao 🤡
Great choice and I look forward to him eviscerating JD Vance. Plus the “weird” line of attack he initiated has been brilliant because it’s almost impossible for Trump and co to argue against it without just seeming like they’re proving his point.
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And this makes it seem like he was a very involved teacher at that.
Great choice. I think his energy and optimism is a good match for VP Harris and her campaign.
As much as I wish it were the case, there is still a very strong pro-Israeli sentiment amongst Americans, which is why you see so many politicians trying to walk the line between both Israelis and Palestinians in Gaza. It's important to notice when we're in a bubble of like-minded thinkers.

Editing to say, I love that Walz brings balance to this area on this ticket!
I was so ready to be disappointed by her picking Shapiro. Picking Walz is going to keep the momentum and energy going.
And he was an actual* teacher for ten years! As a fellow actual teacher (typing this during my planning period), I am beyond thrilled. 

[“Actual teacher”, not someone who did a 6-month stint in Teach for America or “taught English abroad” like someone on House Hunters International, and therefore claims to be totally attuned to the state of American public education.]
I love Walz! I was hoping she’d go with him! Something I like about Walz is that he’s won the Minnesota congressional delegation’s annual hotdish contest a few times, which is just very wholesome to me.
It’s never been more over for Trump. He still hasn’t even settled on an attack plan yet against Kamala, lol. 

It’s been amusing to watch conservatives in free fall for the past few weeks despite them constantly ringing the “Biden is too old and incompetent to serve” bell over and over again. They (theoretically) got what they’ve been asking for, so why didn’t they have a contingency plan in place for this event?

Even if we take away Biden getting pushed out, what was the plan if he got too sick to keep running or just straight up passed away during the election? I know these guys don’t believe in having a Plan B, but this is just ridiculous…
The more I learn about him, the more I like him. For any of you fellow olds, you may remember the W selling point - “you could grab a beer with him”. Walz seems like someone I’d let watch my kids.
Nice pick. Maybe doesn't bring over a group of votes like other picks could have but he is a great guy with a fantastic policy resume who knows how to talk to real people. He also doesn't piss off either end of the Dem voters the way Shapiro or Kelly likely would have. 

R/conservative is now claiming the Dems are antisemitic for not picking Shapiro. But also Kamala is a bad candidate because she's a DEI hire since she's (recently) black. Make it make sense.
Conservatives can’t imagine someone who would willingly cede power. 

Biden stepping down was unimaginable
Hahaha I love this for him.
He’s also a former high school social studies teacher. Very chill, sweet guy.
No one I knew liked Shapiro. Everyone was at an anyone but Shapiro. Hell PA doesn’t even like him lol",2024-08-06 13:18:19,"joy, surprise, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy,"
Polls show Kamala Harris moving ahead of Donald Trump in 2024 US election,1elmyb4,5158,"Title: Polls show Kamala Harris moving ahead of Donald Trump in 2024 US election

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Wait until the DNC and Walz bumps, it’s going to the moon like Kelly. Vote and help others to vote and register.
Solid vp pick just occurred! Personally I see it going up and up now, barring some catastrophic f’d up stuff occurring. 

Now if Harris and Walz both get to debate empty podiums I’d be really less worried.

Vote in overwhelmingly large numbers, yall. The gop is already [cheating](https://www.democracydocket.com/opinion/trump-reveals-plan-to-subvert-georgias-elections/) in full light of day
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Walz with an empty podium would be tragic. We need to see him take JD down football coach style.
* Kamala Harris is leading Donald Trump in recent national polls for the 2024 US presidential election, with slight advantages shown by SurveyUSA, Morning Consult, YouGov, CBS News, and UMass Amherst.
* Despite Harris's national lead, battleground state polls present a mixed picture, with Trump leading in some states like Georgia and Arizona, while Harris is ahead in others like Michigan and Wisconsin.
* Harris named Minnesota Governor Tim Walz as her running mate, adding to the campaign's momentum and increasing her favorability rating, which turned positive for the first time since mid-July.
* The shift in poll numbers comes after Joe Biden decided not to run for re-election, leading to Harris becoming the Democratic frontrunner and boosting Democratic optimism for maintaining control of the White House.
* While Nate Silver notes Harris's current lead in national polls and key states, he also cautions that economic concerns and potential recession fears could impact the election's outcome.
Strong polls can help us keep energy and momentum! But don't let it get us comfortable.
Walz is going to bring independents, swing voters, and people who have been checked out of politics. 

I can't imagine this being that close anymore.
I hope you're right, but speaking from outside the country, please don't let this make you all complacent. Get out and vote!
Trump is NOT going to drop out. RNC can dream all they want but now they are stuck with him.
in my best daydreams weird trump just drops out after he keeps hearing about her beating him in poll after poll = he takes his campaign and goes home so he can claim he didn't run so he didn't lose, protecting his tiny whiny ego
Ignore those polls. Vote vote vote ❎
Correct! Trump is running because he wants to avoid prison.
This is basically going to force Trump to debate on Kamala’s terms. He has no justification from either himself or his base to keep this Fox News free rally debate idea floating.
Where did Vance Walz off to?
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So much work still to do. Now we have a full ticket I hope to see some big pushes to move the needle in the swings. Given both Kelly and Shapiro were not selected, it will sting if she wins WI and MI but loses PA and AZ. 

I’ve noticed republicans have been much faster and seemingly more focused attacking Walz out the gate. The Dems cannot get complacent with the last few weeks honeymoon phase. It’s vital they define both Kamala and Walz before republicans can paint them as radical leftists (as ridiculous as that claim is). 
I think the polls will be beneficial right before the DNC. After that the momentum will fully be in Harris’ favor and polls will just be polls. Giving Kamala only 4 months was more beneficial than not and this is probably one of the biggest political gambles that paid off
We don't need him to take Vance down. We need him to care about Vance and ask him why he's like this. We need him to play concerned coach asking if everything is alright at home. You want to break the Republicans that kind of honest Midwestern sympathy from an older man would do it.
Great idea.
Yea I mean I really hope nobody interprets ""polls look strong"" to mean ""you don't need to vote.""

Unfortunately our shitty system for elections does make a lot of people feel like voting isn't worth the time and effort to do it, but this is the kind of ticket that I think energized and motivates more people to go do it, even if they are in a non-swing state, so they can go and say ""I voted for this pair; I voted in an election that hopefully we can finally say moves American politics beyond the Silent Gen and Baby Boomers' vision of governance and into a more modern era."" And of course an election thay hopefully puts Donald Trump out to pasture for good, though who knows how much longer he'll curse us with his presence here on Earth.",2024-08-06 16:56:30,"joy, hope, optimism, concern, determination, frustration, caution, skepticism, urgency"
Mormons are organizing for Harris — and they could swing the 2024 election,1emd73y,1842,"Title: Mormons are organizing for Harris — and they could swing the 2024 election

Body: Latter-day Saints — famous for their organizing prowess, but not for political diversity — are making waves in the 2024 presidential election.

They are a potentially decisive voting bloc because of the faith's large population in Arizona, where President Biden's 2020 gains with members exceeded his margin of victory.

If Harris can replicate that support, it could tip the precarious swing state — and the election.
Driving the news: The group Latter-day Saints for Harris is ramping up its efforts, with more than 2,500 people signing up within days for an online rally Tuesday.

Meanwhile, Harris won a high-profile endorsement last week from John Giles, the Republican, LDS mayor of Mesa, Arizona — once called the ""most conservative city in America.""

If the 2024 election tips the scales for more Latter-day Saint voters, it could chip away at possible lingering fears that vocally supporting Democrats will make them outsiders in their church communities.

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There’s nothing traditionally conservative about Trump and Vance. They both do almost everything a Mormon is told not to do.
its not that they are switching parties or changing their political beliefs, its that trump is so horrible and quite frankly unchristian that they are willing to deal with policies they disagree with to get rid of him.
From what I know about Mormons, they're thoroughly socially conservative. What made so many of them switch?
Give me blutah
As a Mormon I dont know if dems are bringing in LDS as much as the current MAGA Republicans are pushing LDS people out.

My dad mom grandpa and grandma have all voted Republican their whole life a few of them voted for Trump in 2016 but since then have refused to vote for him in protest of the Republican Party choosing him.

They voted for Biden in 2020 but I don’t know if they will vote for Kamala because they have bought into the idea that she is farther left than Biden. But they definitely won’t vote for Trump
That's true, but the traditional conservative refrain is ""but dems are babykillers"". How is a pro-abortion pro-queer Democratic party bringing in LDS members?
>quite frankly unchristian

Now I think about it, the only commandment Trump hasn't broken is murder, and possibly the ""no other gods before me"".
LDS members just have different principles than the average evangelical voter
>the only commandment Trump hasn't broken is murder, 

And he joked about breaking that one too
As a card carrying Mormon there are definitely different pockets of us all over the west. A lot of LDS people are more libertarian conservative in the true sense that they don’t think the government should be legislating personal
choices, and those people personally don’t like Trump. 

But there are still a good amount who seem to trust their political party more than their religion hopefully the ones in Arizona are smarter politically than the majority of Latter Day Saints here in Idaho.
...you don't even need to click. The article's right there. This is about Arizona.
I've always said that Mormons are (conservative) (Christians) but not (conservative Christians)
> because they have bought into the idea that she is farther left than Biden. 

To be fair, she is. Especially when you take the Harris/Walz ticket as a whole.

Totally still worth electing her though... the leftists held their noses and voted for neoliberals, so I feel obligated to do the same for a social democrat.
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I ... don't think that's true? 

A lot of Christians are Democratic. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/religious-landscape-study/database/
I've lived in areas with large Evangelical and Mormon bases and while both of them are ""socially conservative"" their flavors of social conservativism are noticeably different to the extent that you really can't lump them together.

Now, there are a lot of Mormons that also happen to be hardcore MAGA nuts, but there is a non insignificant minority that you theoretically could make inroads with.
The Mormons are seemingly the only Christian sect that recognizes how wildly unchristian trump is. 

Plus he fucks with Mitt Romney. Mormons don't like when you fuck with Mitt Romney.
The vast majority of Mormons are still Trump voters. A minority are fighting back.
>Trump hasn't broken is murder,

Just wait until he goes to 5th Avenue
Where was that electoral map someone posted here with Blutah as a mistake?


Maybe they're an Oracle.",2024-08-07 14:26:53,"joy, surprise, fear, neutral, anger, disgust"
"Trump campaign spokesman, Steven Cheung, says email hackers intend to ""interfere with the 2024 election and sow chaos throughout our democratic process.""",1ep6hs9,2146,"Title: Trump campaign spokesman, Steven Cheung, says email hackers intend to ""interfere with the 2024 election and sow chaos throughout our democratic process.""

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I feel like it got memoryholed that Russia also hacked Trump in 2016 they just didn't leak like they did for Clinton
Karma.
Karmala
Just setting up the election fraud claims after a Kamala win.
Then a lot of anti trump republicans did an about face and bowed down to him. Weird!
I call bullshit. 

The campaign is an optical disaster from the couch-humping rumor to “weird” catching on like wild fire and on top the added popularity of Tim Walz??? 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨 looks rough! 

MAGA is looking for a scapegoat for the mess.
Correct
Yep he’s gonna claim Iran was working with Kamala, like how Russia worked with Trump in 2016 (but for real).
All that is left to complete this op is for Kamala to have a long history visiting Iran so that she is likely compromised, frequently doing business with Iranians, her family claiming they get all the money they need from Iran, her advisors all having ties to Iran, her primary bank being tied to Iran and potentially communicating with the campaign through subtle server data transfers, meeting with an Iranian propagandist about sanctions during the election, pro-kamala ads being paid for in Iranian currency, an entire foreign intelligence division being established by Iran to get her elected, then after winning the election her family members can try to set up back channels to Iran using the Iranian embassy rather than the state department, invite the iranian embassador and iranian press to the oval office in private and share classified info, then it can be revealed that she had an ongoing business deal worth a billion dollars in Iran, then she can bewilderingly side with the ayatollah against US intelligence services in a public press conference after a private meeting with only a Iranian provided interpreter, and then begin advocating for a reduction of western military power in the region. I know I've missed some, so feel free to add.  


Edit: cause why stop at Kamala. A ton of democratic politicians can also go visit Iran during conspicuously patriotic American holidays.
Exactly. They false flag their own shit all of the time; that's why they accuse others of doing it. 

The GOP motto is ""Cheat to Win.""
So very weird
They also said hunters laptop pics not being released was election interference. So they going to release the pics of his files?
Oh. So they're confirming the leak is real. That's brilliant strategy. I'm sure what's being published is *super* good for Trump's campaign. It's not like he could say it's all fake and his devotees would lap it up like good little cult members.
Plot twist: They love chaos!
I was going to say, we can have AOC, Bernie, Fetterman, Newsom, and Shapiro take a trip to Iran on July 4th to hand deliver a letter from Kamala to the ayatollah.
Looking at you Graham and Rubio
Iran, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find those pee tapes and Epstein videos.
“~~Russia~~ Iran, if you’re listening…”
Trump asked Russia to interfere with the 2016 Election on live television

[Russia, if you are listening...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b71f2eYdTc&t=22s)
They REALLY want everyone to see his penis, huh?",2024-08-10 23:30:40,"anger, disgust, surprise, neutral"
"MMW: If DJT loses the 2024 election, he will eventually flee the US and take up residence in a hostile foreign country that would never extradite him.",1epe67x,1136,"Title: MMW: If DJT loses the 2024 election, he will eventually flee the US and take up residence in a hostile foreign country that would never extradite him.

Body: Should Trump lose the election, his trials and numerous legal troubles proceed and he may face prison. There's zero chance he subjects himself to such a fate. 

It seems obvious to me that an easy out would be to flee to some other country (Hint: Russia) to avoid ever facing consequences for his crimes in the US.  

In doing so, he would get to maintain a grip on at least some of his followers back at home, fancying himself a victim in exile—in hiding from an abusive and corrupt legal system. Oh, and also that the election was stolen from him again. He gets to continue fomenting division and soliciting donations from his followers. 

Lastly, certainly the government/head of the foreign country (Putin?) would be happy to oblige their new resident, in exchange for US state/national secrets of course. Which Trump would eagerly hand over so long as it means saving his skin. 

But yeah, if Trump loses, I don't imagine him choosing to remain in the US.

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And we will constantly remind MAGAts that they are traitors to the US and their god-king is a Benedict Arnold
Russia, if you're listening, please take him now.

And Ukraine, if you're listening, good job taking Kursk. Now take it all the way to Moscow and then disarm the country like Japan was disarmed after WWII. And then let Trump rot in that shit hole.
They won’t accept that. They’d rather side with Putin than call someone like AOC a peer and an American.
Don't compare him to Benedict Arnold.  He was an American hero who we treated like shit.  We turned out back on him before he betrayed us.  Trump was always a piece of shit
Putin would have him executed. He’s no longer an asset.
Putin despises Trump. and the golf courses are pretty meh.  Not Russia.

North Korea has only enough food to feed one fat man.  Not North Koreea

Saudi Arabia does not like powerless people and he owes them too much money.  Not Saudi Arabia.

UAE.  Nice golf courses.  Lots of pretty girls to grab by the p\*\*\*\*\*s. but still he owes them too much money and no longer owns a hotel just down the street from the White House, so maybe not UAE.

Venezuela only has room for one dictator wanna be.  Not South American.

The penguins in Antarctica are blue.  Deep Blue.  Not Antarctica.

Maybe the Moon?  Or Mars, with Elon?  Yeah, Mars.
You really think Putin would take him? He wouldn’t have any value anymore.
Hope he takes his trumpanzees with him so we don’t have to deal with them ever again
And as a felon, his passport is forfeit. That's why when he fails in Nov, he'll be run through the courts for the current five cases and whatever more pop up with his vote tampering and inevitable insurrection. Then, after being found guilty, will be put in media isolation where even the Secret Sefvice can't stop him from going out like Epstein.
I agree, DonOld would probably fall out of a window.
Hey AOC is a total babe and smart.  Follow her on IG.  She just talks and no prompter in sight.  Maybe a little youthful exuberance but I see her becoming very strong if she stays in the game
UAE or Qatar.  But does Trump Org still have their accounts being watched so he doesn’t hide money from his defamation and fraud cases?  The second he becomes a fugitive the US will freeze all his accounts.  I wonder if his narcissism prevents him from considering he’d need a “exit strategy.”  Maybe he could get cash from Jared and Ivanka’s Saudi slush fund.
If he just died at Sararoga he'd be a hero
The Secret Service won't let him
Maybe.. maybe not.

The consequences for Russia would be catastrophic; the Ukrainians would raze Moscow to the ground, and every country would embargo all trade.

More likely cooler heads would execute putin and anyone associated with him, then sue for peace.  With security guarantees and a withdrawal, Ukraine would leave.
This is maybe the most important point, logistically.  Trump Org has a court-appointed controller who sees every account, every transaction.

Trump doesn't have any money that he can just stick in a bag and take off with.
If he leaves the US, he'll have to pay his own way - no foreign government is going to prop him up on their equivalent of welfare. The federal government will freeze his assets.

He doesn't have the money to do that.
Hey a lot of us Floridians here are blue but we have to hide it from the MAGAts for fear of being shot or something. Can’t have bumper stickers or yard signs or we will be the target. (Had a Biden/Harris yard sign in 2020 for a few days and had trash thrown on my yard by MAGAts driving by screaming “TRUMP”) 🙄🙄🙄
He’s brain dead and can’t remember any information that doesn’t pertain to his own persona and wealth
Good observation. When (not if) he commits crimes this fall he is a private citizen and therefore subject to the law. 

Vote .",2024-08-11 06:32:53,"anger, disgust, fear"
The 2024 Election if only Reddit could vote ,1erece3,3056,"Title: The 2024 Election if only Reddit could vote 

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Wrong

https://preview.redd.it/r83wju9x2hid1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e99e8f3bd69c33b38652cfc3815bfcf1200f1da9
are you saying reddit is a far left echo chamber? this is unheard of news!
There are really too many left leaning people on here. For people who always champion diversity, they really do hate a contrary opinion.
Can you imagine living in a country where no one works?
Reddit is r/politics .So much hate.
The tolerant left isn’t really that tolerant
![gif](giphy|xTiTnHMpoH4fdGLiik)
Holy shit have I finally found a sub that’s not going to hound me for not being a fucking democrat? Reddit is such a cesspool when it comes to politics it makes me never want to come on here again
![gif](giphy|VGKtXfGNwH6cLifbDY|downsized)
Reddit looks at this economy and the brink of WW3 with rampant crime….VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO
There’s not enough fire emojis 🔥 on all major cities

Trump 2024🇺🇸✊
I could definitely see this outcome if that was the case. The TDS on reddit is unreal.
Reddit is a Democrat neolib echo chamber lmao not a far left one
Its okay. Demonrats let illegals vote every election.
They’re performing mental gymnastics with no bounds.
We’ll end up like the UK in no time
No they’re not. They’re horrible
Lmfao what is this sub
This sub is alright. Lot of people here don't know if it's serious, or a meme sub. So you get left and right comments, but overall I'd say it leans right.
Just goes to show how stupid people on Reddit can be.",2024-08-13 17:48:29,"anger, disgust, surprise, neutral"
Bernie Sanders Warns Donald Trump Is Gearing Up To Deny 2024 Election Results,1erhl4m,5112,"Title: Bernie Sanders Warns Donald Trump Is Gearing Up To Deny 2024 Election Results

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He denied the results in the election he won, he still claims he would have won the popular vote if it wasn't for cheating.
> “Donald Trump may be crazy, but he’s not stupid. When he claims that ‘nobody’ showed up at a 10,000 person Harris-Walz rally in Michigan that was live-streamed and widely covered by the media, that it was all AI, and that Democrats cheat all of the time, there is a method to his madness,” Sanders said in a statement.
> 
> “Clearly, and dangerously, what Trump is doing is laying the groundwork for rejecting the election results if he loses,” he added. “If you can convince your supporters that thousands of people who attended a televised rally do not exist, it will not be hard to convince them that the election returns in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and elsewhere are ‘fake’ and ‘fraudulent.’”

Depressingly, after January Sixth and the slap-on-the-wrist punishments for the vast majority of the attackers, it's not surprising that Donald, someone in his circle, or just his cult, are likely to give it another shot.
he’s still arguing about crowd sizes while many many pictures exist
It’s so upsetting that he’s allowed to run and treated like such a normal candidate.  Sick world.
Yes, he repeatedly said that there is no way that 80 plus million people voted for Biden so that that would instill insecurity in our elections

He just can’t handle that there was and still is 80 plus million of us that dislike him greatly (I changed it from hate because I was raised better than that.)

He’s the worst thing that ever happened to America
He's been saying the exact same things over and over for 9 years
That's what's starting to finish him now.

In 2015, the things he said were outrageous. Now, they're just boring. We're all so desensitised to his craziness that we're not even shocked anymore.

He's act is tired and so are we, of him.
I wasn’t raised better than that. Dudes a shitwad.
He;

1. Never secured the popular vote,

2. Never accepted the results of the 2020 election,

3. Will not accept the results of the 2024 election
i have family members that genuinely  believe there was massive fraud in 2020 no matter how many times i tell them.

i'll never forgive trump and his band of fascist fucks for what they did to my family and to the country. i hope they burn.
I'm glad that we're finally starting to see Democrat leadership warning about this. But I'd really, really rather see Democratic leadership saying ""Here's how we're going to prevent this"". I hate the feeling that we're walking into a disaster that everyone has seen coming for four years, and we seem to be as unprepared for it as we were when we all saw Jan 6 coming last time.
Of course he is. He's an entitled shithead who can't take losing. He will whine and cry and stamp his feet and claim robbery. And his base will eat it up and do whatever he wants to get him to stop crying
I look forward to the day we don't have to hear from or about Donald Fucking Trump any more.
And we won’t accept him as president.
So BORING 🥱
This exact thing has been repeated thousands of times now too. Trump said it, and now his supporters say it all the time too. I heard the Qanon Shaman say it the other day. People at the rallies say it all the time. 

“Do you really think 80 million people voted for Biden?”

Yes. Yes I absolutely do.

I swear they somehow think that 90% of America loves Trump because they won’t leave their echo chambers.
I worry that people expect a repeat of Jan 6 2021 but with a more prepared law enforcement response. But instead it’s going to be a mess of legal cases and appeals. When a pivotal case goes to the Supreme Court and they get to decide between Trump or a Democrat administration that has vowed to reform the court’s corruption, and after a few years of breaking precedent without giving a damn, can we trust them to make the right decision?
I blame the supposed ""fourth estate"" the media could have ended Trump's campaign run a seemingly infinite number of times but they didn't. Sure I am not a fan of media conglomerates deciding who should be president but if they report the facts as is then Trump would no where he as popular as he is today. 
I hope boring is the next thing after weird calms down.
The chances of this are reduced greatly the wider the margins are. 

Do all the voting things (register/verify registration, vote and make sure your friends and family can vote, don’t get discouraged by lines or any other oddities while voting, make sure your ballot is not altered with misplaced stickers or other marks).",2024-08-13 19:59:17,"anger, sadness, disgust, fear, neutral, surprise, joy, disgust, sadness, anger, sadness, anger, disgust, sadness, anger, anger, sadness, anger, fear, disgust, anger, sadness, disgust, fear, anger,"
The 2024 Election if only Reddit could vote,1ericvc,1218,"Title: The 2024 Election if only Reddit could vote

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The pedo loving Trump fans are mad.
Younger voters lean left. More tech savvy voters lean left. Reddit posters mostly fall within these categories. Most people over 50 lean right and have a higher rate of voting. Most people under 40 lean left and have a lower rate of voting. If every single eligible voter in the US voted, democrats would perform much better than they have in most recent elections. One thing boomers do right is to exercise their right to vote.
Thing is Reddit is more representative than our Rural Affirmative Action voting system. Ridiculous that Wyoming, with a population of a small city gets three electoral college votes, for example.
Or if you don’t support insurrectionist traitors. Should be pretty clear cut, but here we are.
What we definitely know is that Wyoming is a state.  A small state.  And it’s next to Colorado, which is a bigger state.  And Colorado wants to invade Wyoming.  And that’s bad.
It shows how liberal this site is, that is all.
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You need to unburden yourself from what has been, so you can become what will be. Cackle….cackle….
I'd wager that it's not even as liberal as most people think. There's an enormous amount of Republican Redditors who simply don't discuss politics because they'll get downvoted to hell.
Space is all around us
That’s my go to response for trump supporters. I didn’t know so many people were pedo sympathisers.
It’s literally just that more people live in urban areas, that’s what makes them urban.
So true, according to Reddit alone, it’s not even a race anymore as Harris is a sure winner. At the risk of getting downvoted, I hope that’s not true.
I've been saying it for a long time that on most major issues, the US has two right of center parties when compared to other advanced countries. There has been a campaign to stomp out liberalism and worker's rights forever. 

Hell, they dropped bombs and poison gas left over from WWI on striking miners in Appalachia (see: Mother Jones) and there hasn't been a real communist or socialist party for generations despite the constant rhetoric.
I think most centrists are not pro abortion, but they are pro government stay out of the exam room and mind your own business
This needs more upvotes than I can give.  Almost all right wing talking points start from a place of misinformation and or dishonesty based on this particular reality alone.  ""The radical left""  yea compared to who???
From my experience, individuals in urban locations vote more left and people who live in more rural areas vote right. Many voting maps will show a similar pattern as well. My guess is individuals who live in more urban areas are more prone to using social media (such as Reddit) throughout their day.
And it’s exciting! All that vacuum….
Exactly. Redditors are full of shit and can downvote me all they want. No way in hell I’m voting for Kamala
Drove through Wyoming last week. 90% of the state is a barren wasteland. Only thing going for it is Yellowstone and devils tower.",2024-08-13 20:30:28,"anger, disgust, joy, surprise, neutral"
Trump Setting The Stage For a 2024 Election Challenge by Claiming Harris Candidacy is ‘Unconstitutional’,1esa6eb,3520,"Title: Trump Setting The Stage For a 2024 Election Challenge by Claiming Harris Candidacy is ‘Unconstitutional’

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Go away... weird old man with ugly hair.
…who’s also a criminal.
Also, a rapist and a pedophile.
Felony rapists running for office should be unconstitutional.
Being under indictment for 40 felony counts of stealing classified government documents should disqualify you from being a county clerk, much less POTUS
There will not be a suit heard in any court based on her candidacy. MAGA swallows the bullshit but judges tend to be a little smarter.
Only an alleged pedo. But a convicted felon and a proven rapist, fraud, and defamer.
Donald Trump hates America.  He also thinks his voters are stupid.
Remember in 2016 when Trump said Clinton being investigated for felonies should disqualify her? And how having a president that was a convicted felon would be a disaster? 

Pepperidge Farm remembers.
“Why is it unconstitutional?”

“Well, she’s black”

That’s their entire argument
*Judge Qanon has entered the chat*
I'm so fucking sick of this man. I wish he'd shut up
I can’t argue with that
Oh yes, let him try the courts. Been working so well for him lately.
With Trump, everything is rigged or unconstitutional, UNLESS it favors him.

✔️ Check your voter status.

Vote 💙💙💙 

https://vote.gov/
""BECAUSE THEY FORCED BIDEN OUT!"" is one I've been hearing a lot. Which is wild, because aren't they the ones that hate Biden more than anything? Shouldn't they be happy that Biden is not in the race?
“But is she Indian or is she Black? Because she was Indian. And then she turned… Black. And now she’s black” 

trump at the NABJ….. 🙄🫠
That would be great.   He can show us on the constitution where it says that.  It doesn’t. 

President Biden has stepped down after winning the primary and has asked that his delegate votes go to Vice President Harris. The Constitution only outlines the selection process, leaving the specifics of candidate selection to political parties.  Not only is there nothing in the Constitution that prevents a primary winner from stepping down, this situation is not without precedent. 

Historically, parties have faced similar situations and managed them through their own rules. In 1972, Democratic nominee George McGovern’s vice-presidential pick, Thomas Eagleton, stepped down after the nomination, and McGovern replaced him with Sargent Shriver. In 1912, after the death of Vice President James Sherman, the Republican National Committee replaced him with Nicholas Murray Butler. 

In the current scenario, it is up to the Democratic Party and the delegates to honor President Biden’s request. Delegates, who are pledged to the party’s candidate, would typically follow the party’s direction and cast their votes for Harris. This process is well within the party’s rights and aligns with how the delegate system functions.

Edit: Originally and mistakenly referred to delegates as ""electors.""  That's not the right word.  Electors are for the EC.  Delegates go to the Convention.  Thank you to those who pointed that out.
When instead of being able to say ""don't vote for my opponent, they're bad"" all you have left is ""okay my opponent is not bad but they're not allowed to run"", you know you're screwed.
He doesn't even know what's in the constitution, he can't fucking read.",2024-08-14 19:13:18,"anger, disgust, neutral, sadness, anger, disgust, anger, anger, neutral, anger, anger, anger, anger, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral,"
The 2024 Election if only Reddit could vote ,1etw2v3,906,"Title: The 2024 Election if only Reddit could vote 

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The 2024 election if land couldn't vote
Texas is already revoking voter registration cards in blue districts.
I see Jordan Peterson memes is exactly as funny as I would expect it to be.
This isn’t totally accurate. There would be a small corner where flaired conservatives only would practice free speech.
Until you say you're voting for RFK Jr like Joe Rogan and Kyle Rittenhouse. Then they'll try to cancel you.
We should work on ending first past the post voting in favor of multimember districts for the House, and something like score, approval, or RCV for the senate and executive offices.

The two party system is the problem.
I heard that there are efforts to mass spam challenges to registered Democrats voter registrations
Nah Jeb would win

We'd all clap as requested
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/elections/2024/08/05/texas-voter-suspense-list-tops-21-million-heres-what-to-do-if-youre-on-it/?outputType=amp
Yes! Austin, Houston, Dallas, El Paso and Corpus Christi are blue areas they’re targeting. It’s totally legal since Greg Abbot gets to make the laws
How anti American of the put America first crowd
Correction it says 21 million on the link but it is actually 2.1 million mostly in blue districts.Now everyone go vote please! I don’t care if you vote for Trump but please vote and make your voice heard! I support Kamala. Do not engage in any kind of violence
Rural population was 95% of the population in 1787. [Yes, urbanization in 1790 was 5%](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_in_the_United_States). It wasn’t about rural/urban. The Industrial Revolution wasn’t a twinkle in any of these old men’s eyes yet.

It was about big state versus small state. Not rural versus urban. 

That’s just modern people projecting the way that setup helps their interests onto the framers.
It’s (mostly) satire/parody. There are some lost conservatives who get shat on occasionally
Not to mention this meme was originally posted on this sub, got clowned on, and now OP is cross-posting it again from the Jordan Peterson memes sub.

I swear, there's like one conservative post in this sub every day that reaches the top while every other top post is making fun of conservatives. I wonder why...
Electoral votes / gerrymandering
Billionaire oligarchs > peronist Marxism


Pick one
This is not true. If the electoral college weren't a thing (I assume that's what you mean by this comment) there would still be a large swath of red states.

However, this would be moot if we did popular vote because it would be a national vote count that decides the president and it wouldn't matter who wins which states.
We also need to expand the size of the house. Due to capping its size and a minimum of one member you have  representatives that are wildly different in size. This is also part of what biases the system to smaller states.
That's not entirely correct in the USA. The right has moved the goal post so far to the right that moderates are now Marxist and commies. When I was growing up we used to joke about politicians being to the right of the Pope. Now if you ask republicans the Pope is a commie. Our left has shifted very far right, and it's still not far enough for some.",2024-08-16 18:22:24,"anger, disgust, surprise, neutral, joy, sadness, fear, neutral, anger, joy, neutral, anger, joy, sadness, anger, neutral, sadness, anger, joy, disgust, anger, disgust, neutral, anger, sadness,"
My 2024 election prediction (updated),1euoj5k,1076,"Title: My 2024 election prediction (updated)

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It’s ok to dream but only sweat will get us there.
NC I have flipping. The Harris Campaign is targeting NC extremely hard, Joe Biden in 2020 dipped his toes in the water there a few times, but not to the extent Harris plans to.

Plus Trump as an incumbent republican president barely won it with 49.5 percent of the vote, that's barely making the cut. NC is very winnable, especially with the GOP Gubernatorial candidate, and Trump not having the energy to campaign like he did in 2016 and 2020.

I also think Roy Cooper being able to go to bat for Harris will help, in 2020 he had to play it neutral, because he was running for reelection, but now he's able to go to bat for Harris and the Democratic Gubernatorial candidate in Stein as well. Plus the DNC head of the state Anderson Clayton is like some 26 year old who has been going all out getting college students and young people registered to vote there, like Stacey Abrams did in Georgia with young college students and Black communities.

The Big cities in Raleigh and Charlotte, similar to Georgia have had a massive influx of younger people moving there as well the past few years. That I feel will help tip the scales in NC, just like with Atlanta and Savannah in 2020 for Georgia.
I mean it's the 2020 map so it's not crazy
Pretty sure the Dems will pick up the electoral vote that comes with Omaha. Honestly, Georgia is iffy. This map is pretty much what happened last election, but with updated electoral distribution after the census. I also got NC flipping blue.
It’s the 2020 map minus Nebraska’s 2nd district 
Asheville is all in on Harris Walz. Fuck that bloviating racist windbag grifter.
Betting on NC flipping as well. Will wake up super happy when it does. The vast majority of people around me are voting blue.💙
You're forgetting the EC vote out of Nebraska. It's been an easy Democratic pick-up for a while now.
I live in Mecklenburg County (Charlotte), only 10% of registered voters, vote. If we can increase it to 30%, we can change the election. We are reaching out to registered voters that haven’t been voting. People in my county have been canvassing since Tricia Cotham flipped. I feel energy that I’ve never felt here before.
Man, I'd love to see GA go blue again. I would be so proud. Atlanta was a party when Biden won. It was surreal and such stark contrast to when Trump won in 2016. I can't wait to early vote again. 

P.S. Sorry about MTG.
I don't care how many electoral college votes we win, as long as it's at least 270.
Trump did himself no favors by dissing both Brian Kemp and the governor’s wife on his last trip in Georgia.
They’re trying to but it hasn’t happened yet. Thank goodness!
My wet dream is getting Florida
I would to stop a dictator.
And if we don't sweat and toil enough, it will take blood.
There's no doubt in my mind that magats are going to actually kill people when trump loses and their whole narrative of him being chosen by god collapses.
They threatened it and Maine threatened back. Nebraska backed down.
not for a politician, but for the fact that if trump wins the us is going fascist dictatorship real quick.
Biden only lost NC by a 1 point difference.",2024-08-17 18:30:39,"joy, fear, anger, surprise, neutral, disgust, sadness, anger, joy, joy, joy, joy, anger, fear, anger, fear, anger, fear, fear, fear, anger, fear, anger, fear, anger,"
Pennsylvania is slipping from Donald Trump’s grasp — Kamala Harris gains ground with crucial Hispanic voters in swing state that could decide 2024 US election,1ev927p,3950,"Title: Pennsylvania is slipping from Donald Trump’s grasp — Kamala Harris gains ground with crucial Hispanic voters in swing state that could decide 2024 US election

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Trump forgot he was in Pennsylvania the other day and referred to the audience as North Carolina. But his supporters won’t pay attention to that because it’s a cult.
He insults Hispanics and still gets Hispanic support.

He insults anyone he can think of from any community or group and still gets support from those groups.

We have too many idiots living among us. Way too many.
As a male Hispanic voter in Pennsylvania, she absolutely has my vote and my wife's vote! Also my Hispanic neighbor and his wife as well. 


This state will not be Trumps'!
When you give into the ""Trump didn't mean that!"", reality can be whatever you want.
The man who ""tells it like it is"" never says what he intended...
Inter-Hispanic racism is a huge thing
PA is probably the election, so this is a good sign. Supposedly Trump is currently outspending Harris on ad buys in PA, but Harris is said to be ramping up there also.
I’m in PA.  He’s not going to win here.  Going to be close to double digit loss.  45-55 or thereabouts.
I live in the Philadelphia tv market. We get lots of ads but it seems to be a roughly even Trump/Harris split. 

The different tone to each candidate’s ads is pretty striking. Trump’s are about fear: immigrants are an existential threat to the country, immigrants who were imprisoned committed violent crimes after Harris directed their release, and she’s too liberal in an unspecified way. Harris’s ads talk about her growing up working-class, her optimism for improving people’s lives, and how her work as attorney general was tough on crime.
From your lips to the Electoral College's ears.
White supremacy is also a HUGE thing in latin american countries/cultures. For example this famous painting from a Brazillian artist in the 1880s [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Reden%C3%A7%C3%A3o.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Reden%C3%A7%C3%A3o.jpg) (edit alt link [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham%27s\_Redemption](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham%27s_Redemption) ), depicting a darker skinned grandmother celebrating the gradual whitening of her daughter and grandchild through continued procreation with lighter skinned individuals. Many countries also had what were effectively racial caste systems based on how white your complexion was or the level of Spanish ancestry in your family. Racism and colorism are still very alive today, not even getting into the Catholic elephant in the room.
My area of SE PA currently has 80-90% less Trump yard signs than 4 years ago. I think voting for Trump has finally become embarrassing. That doesn’t mean they won’t vote for him though.
Donald vowed to build a wall to keep Mexicans out while calling them rapists and gangsters.

the fact that he has ANY Hispanic support is appalling.
It's not as bad as it was then, but it still persists. It's also not even just a colorism thing, it's a national stereotype thing. Mexicans and Central Americans are perceived as submissive workaholics. Cubans are perceived as scammers and low-class. Puerto Ricans are perceived as thugs and drug abusers. Venezuelans are perceived as effeminate. Argentines are perceived as racist elitists. Brazilians are perceived as horny fucks who will cheat on you. I'm Hispanic so I'm basing this on what I hear other Hispanics say about different nationalities. I haven't heard anything negative about Colombians though.
The thing is neither will the “Biden totally gots Parkinson’s ferreal” media though. Trump forgets what state he’s in deserves at least half the headlines of “Biden calls VP Trump”.
Yea those are the true believers. Or in my case the neighborhood Nazi. Who has his swastika flags in the windows of his garage. It is nice to know who has the Nazi vote in my local elections though.
PA and MI are the two biggest swing states. So, yeah, that’s the election unless one candidate sweeps all the other swing states. 

PA is always a battleground that gets inundated with ads every election cycle. People are generally very politically opinionated on one side of the other. There aren’t a lot of swing voters and turnout is always high. I think it was like 74% in the 2020 general election. It really is all about voter turnout here and scouring for those extra couple votes and recruiting the “suburban white women”, the stereotypical swing demographic, to your side.
From the bottom of my heart, thank you!  I can't imagine what would happen to the country if Trump gets in again.  Were we better off after four years of Trump?  No!  Want another four years like those four years?  I sure don't.
It’s almost as if more and more people of all types are starting to agree openly he’s a pos
Not really. USA citizens who happen to be Hispanic do not necessarily want illegal immigrants either. Assuming someone would be fine with illegal immigration from the southern border just because they are Hispanic is actually racist IMO. USA citizens who live near the borders (majority Hispanic) see the consequences every day - including from cartel violence. Trump’s toughness on the border is one of the reasons Hispanics like him.",2024-08-18 13:19:02,"anger, disgust, fear, joy, sadness"
Don Lemon goes to the street and asks folks about the 2024 election ,1evgsc8,1454,"Title: Don Lemon goes to the street and asks folks about the 2024 election 

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I liked the guy who laughed at Lemon and told him that he was watching too much CNN.
“Ackshually the economy has been better under Biden” 

Moment
Do you watch CNN? He was fired from CNN, imagine that.
I can't stand Lemon, but I give him credit airing the pushback. I wouldn't be surprised if more said Trump and were edited out. You really just can't trust any media these days.
""I'm going to ask your opinion then tell you why your opinion is wrong."" 

Journalism.
""I made more money then than I do now!""
""Well no that's actually not true, that's not what the economy shows!""
Wtf
That was too perfect the way the guy laughed in his face.
The fact that he tried to tell that guy he was wrong about how much money he made under Trump vs under Biden is crazy to me. Like, it’s his paycheck!
Don lemon is an idiot.
Best part
The guy literally said he earned more money 4 years ago. He doesn't give af about whether the economy is better or not. Even if everyone got 10-20% increase in salary over the last 4 years, they would still be in a worse position due to inflation.
Imagine still shilling from CNN after you get fired from CNN. What a cuck.
Who you gonna trust,  me or your lying bank statements?
Yep, he went in ready to regurgitate an agenda and didn't even listen.  This is a perfect example of that, how would he know how much that guy personally made and in what years?  Nice to see you can take him off CNN but can't take CNN out of him.  🤣
Some great people there who just want better lives and are fed up with the lies.
What’s really sad is I was making $21/hr in 2021, I’m now making $29/hr and it feels like I got a pay cut when you factor in how much more expensive everything around me is… I just got word that by the end of the year, my car insurance is going to be 54% more expensive than it was last year… I guess breakfast is a luxury I can’t afford anymore.. already said goodbye to lunch two months ago
""I made more money under Trump than I do now under Biden.""

""tHaT's NoT wHaT tHe FaCtS sHoW""
""Trust me, I know your financial situation better than you do.""
One of the biggest complaints in all of Reddit that is non-political is, they can't afford to live or buy a house. It is funny that they want to vote for 4-8 more years of this, too.
That was unbelievable... I don't give a single fuck what economists say when I KNOW my COL has gone up 40% in 5 years, lol.",2024-08-18 18:52:56,"anger, disgust, surprise, neutral, sadness"
"Why the 2024 elections won't be stolen, and why your posts about it don't help",1evzyrh,2650,"Title: Why the 2024 elections won't be stolen, and why your posts about it don't help

Body: Things have certainly taken a turn for the positive lately in the political world.  Democrats are [casually raising nine figures of donations a week, over and over.](https://observablehq.com/@rdmurphy/actblue-ticker-tracker)  Polls, for whatever they're worth, have gone from [grim](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/biden-trump/) to [great](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/) at the top of the ticket.  Recent elections have shown [Democratic priorities winning big in swing states](https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-election-primary-amendment-hovde-baldwin-fe7b7aa8ffa75b171d109f416b3f312b), rejecting GOP-authored Constitutional amendments by 15 points in Wisconsin just last week.  Everything is suddenly pointing to some major wins.

So, needless to say, we need a new reason to panic.  And that's been ""None of this matters, because Trump and his allies are going to just steal the election!""

Let's break this down, just as the title says:

##**Why the 2024 elections won't be stolen:**

The short answer is that every tactic being floated was already tried in 2020 - when Trump was in office, when Republicans had more control over election certification in swing states, when the same six conservative Supreme Court Justices were on the Court, and when Trump had his people in the Department of Justice.  They all failed.

Let's take a closer look at some of the more panic-inducing theories:

* **""Republicans will refuse to certify the election results!""**  If that happens, [states have ways of forcing them to certify.](https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/what-happens-when-election-officials-refuse-to-certify-results/)  Rogue officials can be [ordered to certify by the courts](https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/17/politics/new-mexico-primary-results-otero-county-certification/index.html), face fines or prison time for refusing to certify, and even [be removed from office.](https://apnews.com/article/election-certification-officials-removed-north-carolina-77bc8b7016277eb090dad38b9b11c687)  Notice how in these stories, election deniers talk a good game about overturning results until they're staring down potential prison time.  [See pg. 8-9 of this document for more examples - the whole document outlines effective legal remedies for refusals to certify quite well.](https://protectdemocracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/PD_County-Cert-WP_v03.1.pdf)

* **""Republicans will use the courts to overturn the election!""**  No, they won't.  [Republicans filed 62 lawsuits challenging the results of the 2020 elections, and lost every last one.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election)  They got one temporary victory in Pennsylvania that was ultimately overturned by the State Supreme Court (and, fun fact, that judge [was defeated when she ran for PA Supreme Court in 2023.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Pennsylvania_elections#Justice_of_the_Supreme_Court)  Voters don't like this stuff).  What's more, since 2020, Democrats have gained control of the Wisconsin Supreme Court and Court of Appeals, the Michigan Supreme Court, the Pennsylvania Superior Court, the Arizona Secretary of State's and Attorney General's offices, and the Nevada Secretary of State's office.  And that's before we get to the 205 (and counting!) federal judges appointed by Joe Biden.  Trump's going to have to win these lawsuits with a much less friendly bunch of officials in charge.

* **""Trump's Supreme Court will just hand him the election!""**  See above.  The same six conservative judges were on the Court in 2020, and they tossed every one of his lawsuits.  Now Trump's not the incumbent and doesn't have the resources of the Department of Justice at his fingertips, either.

* **""Republicans will use Congress to overthrow the election results!""**  [I'd like to introduce you to the Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Count_Reform_and_Presidential_Transition_Improvement_Act_of_2022)  This expedites any lawsuits around certifying the election in case local officials want to gum up the system, clarifies that courts have the power to overrule attempted steals by corrupt Governors, and limits the grounds that the House and Senate can use to throw out results.  It's much harder than before - and if we can win the House and Senate, it'll be impossible.

* **""But I heard Georgia's elections board is going to ruin everything!""**  I'll leave aside the fact that Dems can win the House, Senate, and Presidency without Georgia for a moment, and point out that actually, they won't ruin everything.  They might claim irregularities in the results and try to gum up the certification process - so we take them to court and make them certify.  Using that expedited process in the Electoral Count Act of 2022, of course, and federal judges who are used to dealing with this nonsense from 2020.  They might suppress the vote through closing polling places and purging voter registrations - well, they've done that for decades, and we still beat them in 2020 and 2022.  The big theme of this is that when it comes to voter suppression, [you can beat it by getting out the vote.](https://www.mobilize.us/georgiademocrats/)  We've got lawyers who are ready for nonsense.

##**Why your posts and comments about it are the real problem:**

* **If people think their vote isn't going to count, why would they bother voting?**  They certainly won't canvass or phonebank, things we need to do if we're going to win.  People won't take part, or give it their all, if they think it's all for nothing.  **If enough of our voters get discouraged and don't vote, or don't encourage others, Trump won't have to steal anything - he'll just win.**  And that'll trickle down to other important races.  I can already say I've had to talk people out of dropping phonebank shifts because of fears that races will just be stolen.

* **There's nothing average people can do.**  That doesn't mean there's no solution - [Kamala Harris and the DNC have hired an enormous, seasoned legal team to fight attempts to steal the election.](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/8/17/2263891/-Harris-Walz-Campaign-Legal-Team-is-Ten-Times-Bigger-than-Biden-s-was-in-2020-Hires-Marc-Elias-too)  But if you're not one of those lawyers, you can't do much to help.  And people know that.  So it makes them feel hopeless and check out in general.

* **Dealing with misinformation takes time.**  I'll refrain from making cracks about the length of this post and simply say that I'd rather be sharing [how to register to vote](https://iwillvote.com/), or [how to volunteer for candidates in swing districts](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jxO8g7q9VO3ZMAABcrvR7PMyX4Yl6dgIYhD3eRTKk1M/edit?gid=0#gid=0).  The only thing you can't get back in politics is time, and we'd all rather spend that time on making sure we win.

* **""Just sharing information"" and ""I feel anxious about this"" aren't valid reasons to post this stuff.**  Period.  Your 'information' does nothing except make people less likely to vote or volunteer, and you're not going to help your anxiety by posting - in fact, you're going to spin yourself up even more, and drag others down with you.  The solution for political anxiety is a) talking to a mental health professional who's qualified to help you, and b) taking action.  Political anxiety comes from a lack of agency over something important, like an election.  But you do have agency and can help win.  Not by posting, not by making snappy comments online, but by [talking to voters and helping Democrats win.](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jxO8g7q9VO3ZMAABcrvR7PMyX4Yl6dgIYhD3eRTKk1M/edit?gid=0#gid=0)  If you're worried that your vote will be stolen, read this post again.  It won't.  But if we lose, it won't matter.

Feel free to share this post anywhere, and to invite people over to this sub to get involved.  We can win - not just for President, but also the Senate, the House, state government, local offices, and ballot measures.  We can build a better America together, and the GOP can't steal it from us.  It's our effort, our hope, and our strength that can win any election, and bring about the world we want to live in.  Shake off the lies, and use the next eleven weeks to work for democracy, together.

https://www.mobilize.us/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jxO8g7q9VO3ZMAABcrvR7PMyX4Yl6dgIYhD3eRTKk1M/edit?gid=0#gid=0

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Doing the good work, right here; this post was so deeply needed. Thank you for taking the time to put all of these resources and the pertinent info in an *easy to disseminate* format.
If you're anxious about election fraud, I highly encourage you to sign up to be a poll worker! You'll learn so much about the checks and balances in the system that make it nearly impossible to rig an election with fraudulent votes. And you'll be right on the front lines of helping to ensure our free and fair election process.


https://www.eac.gov/help-america-vote
Thanks for the well researched and thought out post! I would very much like to hope 2020 was the greatest peril and the USA dodged it (barely), but we shall see.
The ""Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022"" is absolutely key here.  It's legislation we should never have needed, but due to Republican brand bad faith politics it is now necessary.  It is an Act no one really knows about that saved this nation from a certain manufactured constitutional crisis the Right was building up to.  There will not be much fanfare around it as it works behind the scenes, but those who came up with it and got it in place in a timely manner are absolute heroes.

The only threat at this point is the Supreme Court, who can essentially reimagine any of this...they have given themselves far too much power with recent rulings, and that needs to be addressed VERY soon before being further normalized.  This needs to be our focus for 2024-2028.
The only good thing to come out of 2020 was that they kind of showed their hand.  I've heard a lot of people say '2020 was their trial run', and while that's true, it was our trial run, too.  We succeeded, and we shot down all their efforts in 2022 and 2023.  

But that's for the legal experts to take care of.  We've got to take care of winning the election so their services are needed in the first place.
Next do a write up on constant hand wringing about “complacency”.
That's an awesome idea - can't believe I didn't think of that!  Thanks!
I’m like the most skittish person on the planet, but I’ve made write-ups like this one explaining why our election isn’t going to be stolen. 

There is no way that Kamala wins the votes needed to win the electoral college and doesn’t end up in the White House.
Yes, the fact that it was so easy to read and understand is going to help a lot of panicky readers.
I could be flippant and say ""Well, it's a good thing we have the current SCOTUS and not 2000's"" (I won't because this SCOTUS is a nightmare on most issues).

But the real point is that the only reason they could do anything in 2000 is because Florida was so close.  Winning Georgia by 12,000 votes meant there was no room to screw with the results.  Gore's Florida victory would have been in the hundreds, so there was room for challenges.

""But what if 2024 comes down to a few hundred votes?""  [Well, let's not let that happen.  We can influence the outcome by volunteering.](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jxO8g7q9VO3ZMAABcrvR7PMyX4Yl6dgIYhD3eRTKk1M/edit?gid=0#gid=0)
Also, go to states like Georgia, Florida, and Texas and organize to fix their election laws. If Texas adults (52% in 2020) voted at the same rate as California voters (~70%) it would be a reliable blue state and effectively lock out Republicans from the presidency for a generation.
Totally agree. Panic energy isn't helpful. All energy needs to be on helping people register to vote, check that their registration is up to date, and on getting out the vote. Turning the upbeat mood into real numbers is the single best use of time and energy.
Poll worker here… YES, PLEASE! We need you! It is a great job and you will love it!
Another benefit: since you'll be prohibited from discussing politics, too busy to doomscroll your phone for hours and hours, and materially contributing to the election process, you'll feel way less stress and anxiety for the entire day!
This is exactly the quality post that I need to see. The basic gist of it is that 2024 is going to be a fair election and there is almost nothing Republicans can do to steal it because they have less power than they did in 2020.
Also one thing that table fireplace didn't mention is that the Harris Campaign is going to be very well suited to dealing with election irregularities. They specifically will have voter protection hotlines to help navigate people through the voting process, they have official lawyers to file lawsuits as well as volunteer lawyers helping voter protection at the local level. GOTV is also specifically structured to enable any reports of irregularities to be flagged immediately so lawyers can be dispatched.

Knocking on doors isn't JUST about convincing people to support our candidates it also helps deal with irregularities on an individual level and provides a key way in which we can learn about situations as they come up.
>The only threat at this point is the Supreme Court,

that was the only fear the SCOTUS, because they did decide our fate in 2000; they will feel it's well in their wheelhouse again.
All absolutely true and needed to be said. The only caveat I would add is that Dems really do have to get out the vote because if the worst happens and Trump does win, we can be sure that they will make every effort to enable future steals by dismantling any protection they can.
I needed to hear this, and you're right.  Let's stop posting about the election being stolen.  Let's win this!
Saved this. Thank you.",2024-08-19 12:02:43,"joy, relief, determination, hope"
Trump served notice by Michigan AG to not even try to 'subvert' the 2024 election results,1f0b2zo,6866,"Title: Trump served notice by Michigan AG to not even try to 'subvert' the 2024 election results

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Hoping more AGs will join her.
My bet he already has plans to
At least SOMEBODY sees this as inevitable.  He WILL try to subvert the results.  And SCOTUS will look the other way.
I guarantee him and his cult will try that shit again
What a brave woman! All these amazing brave women are doing things the men in the Republican Party could not do… That’s why it’s important to have both good men and good women in places of influence, to balance things out and team up to protect the country. I hope more states join and follow these steps too🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
The fact that Trump is being sent this.. and that he's still able to be running to be POTUS is what's really upsetting.
You mean storm the capitol? I'd love to see them try. The difference between Jan 6, 2021 and January 6, 2025 is that now Biden will be president on that day, not Trump, so he cant tell the national guard to fall back. They will likely be out in full force and ready to arrest some MAGA jackasses before they even get a foot in the building.
Throw the book at him this time
I thought the plan leaked from the Trump campaign was to challenge all sorts of individual polling stations on election night to draw out the count and make it more difficult to certify. The shenanigans will start long before Jan 6.
While Harris will be certifying her own victory, I’m sure they’ll have PLENTY of armed police in riot gear with live rounds.  Go ahead…fuck around and find out.
Vote blue!
Look the other way? 

scotus will actively help him.

His biggest plan is to create chaos and uncertainty in swing states - he only needs one - and get the scotus to decide who won (like in 2000 with Gore and Bush). And they will do their parts 

This is why Kamala needs more than a win, she needs a landslide so there’s no doubt.

(And even then, I’m worried)
Why wouldn't they? No action on it means you're being rewarded for it. They're being actively incentivized to try it again. Our ""justice"" system is a complete fucking embarrassment.
Use it on him like ya do with a bug.
Sad a candidate has to be told something like this. But he has proven himself to be a criminal.
We’d be lucky if SCOTUS looked the other way.
Or what? Without consequences there’s really no discouragement.
Yet he will try and it seems no authority has the will or power to throw his ass in jail.
I’ve been waiting for years and years for him to suffer some serious consequences for his innumerable idiocies and actions. But little has come of any of it, as far as I can tell. All that chaos behind the man, and still not behind bars.
That’s the plan, but because they were so fucking stupid, I’m sure there’s gonna be safeguards in place.",2024-08-24 17:43:58,"anger, fear, sadness, hope, disgust, neutral"
Trump served notice by Michigan AG to not even try to 'subvert' the 2024 election results,1f0d454,4632,"Title: Trump served notice by Michigan AG to not even try to 'subvert' the 2024 election results

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Michigan isn’t playing around, they’re setting clear boundaries
It’s like the state has been going to therapy and learning some new coping mechanisms and self-care. I’m so proud of where we are right now. It feels like we’re invincible. We can’t get complacent. VOTE!
>""How worried are you about Donald Trump and his allies trying to repeat what they attempted to do four years ago?"" host Phang prompted her guest.


>""I think it is probably his number one strategy, honestly,"" she admitted. ""I really don't see him making an effort to try to convert undecided voters. More than that, what I see is these efforts that are already in place here on the ground in Michigan to try to subvert the election through illegal means and, to really try to enlist as many Republicans on the ground as possible, whether those are poll workers, whether those are local clerks, whether those are party activists.""
Dana Nessel is freaking awesome. Only time in my life I've ever actually appreciated an attorney general.
Go get'em girl!

So proud of our Democratic leaders
I didn't realize that Nessel represented the plaintiff in the case that overturned Michigan's ban on gay marriage. That case was later folded into Obergefell v. Hodges at the US Supreme Court where gay marriage was made federally legal. 

While fighting for her own right to get married she met her current wife. After the SC decision, she asked the judge that overturned the Michigan ban to officiate the wedding. That's as Lifetime Original Movie as it gets.
I consider Whitmer, Nessel, and Benson our ""Big Three"" in recent years. It's been amazing and really empowering to watch
Clearly he isn't trying to pull undecided voters with his constant stream of verbal diarrhea. By this point you either love him like the Messiah or hate him like a piece of shit stuck to the bottom of your show
We need Jocelyn and Dana to follow Gretchen's path.  I hope they are thinking the same.
Isn't he past due for a stroke or something?
This is 100% spot-on, and every single state should be actively preparing for Trump and the GOP to create chaos on election day.
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And it’s all result of killing gerrymandering. If politicians have to listen to the people good things happen
Yes but I also want him to be behind bars first
He's going to try anyway. He feels entitled to victory.
Michigan is rich with excellent politicians right now, such a great time to be a Michigander
I think she handled it perfectly in her DNC speech. Hamas is a terrorist organization, October 7th was a horrific terrorist attack, the treatment and mass murder of Palestinian civilians is horrific, there needs to be a cease fire RIGHT NOW, and the two state solution is the path forward, Israeli settlements in the West Bank are illegal.

Meanwhile you have Trump that is actively attempting to kill a cease fire deal, and is on record saying ""Give Israel everything they need to fix the Palestinian problem once and for all."" If you see any Palestinian protesters that are anti-Harris and pro-Trump, they are likely being paid by Russia or Iran, and they don't really give a shit about Palestinians.
She is such a badass!
It is amazing how we’ve elected such a fantastic group of politicians. Whitmer, Peters, Nessel, Benson, Slotkin (next US Senator?), Tate, Gilchrist, Brinks, Witwer, Koleszar, Anthony, Hertel, Camilleri, etc. Even Pete Buttegeig lives here now. 

Kudos to all that did the work that helped make that happen, to get people to vote for all of our outstanding Michigan politicians.
They better keep an eye on that POS MAGA traitor Tim Walberg that helped Trump try to destroy democracy and the legit votes of Michiganders in 2020.

I'm sure that waste of skin will be doing all he can to subvert the election again in November if his orange god loses.",2024-08-24 19:12:59,"pride, joy, admiration, anger, fear, disgust, neutral, joy, admiration, joy, admiration, anger, sadness, joy, admiration, joy, admiration, joy, admiration, anger, anger, joy, admiration, joy, admiration"
Still not convinced the 2024 election is Harris vs. Putin?,1f0w5oz,5131,"Title: Still not convinced the 2024 election is Harris vs. Putin?

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So if it's Putins brainworms controlling him does this make Putin Kahn?
Also trump laundered all the stolen money when USSR collapsed. In the 80s trump and Rudy Giuliani got involved with Russia. Russia had stolen 12-14 billion from newly freed states which included Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan. Anyway, long story short, trump started laundering the stolen money for Putin and other Russian billionaires. Hence why he always hated Ukraine (first impeachment was over Ukraine, trying to fuk them over). All his casinos (didn't fail or bankrupt from bad business but because they had to run them off books and close them down before they got caught) laundering money for Russia. Trump has been an anti democracy anti American person his entire adult life. And yet somehow becomes POTUS. Truly the weirdest saddest chapter in America's history second only to slavery.
I hate a lot about this idiot, but his stupid skinny ties are right up there 
What does Putin have on Trump?
https://i.redd.it/6uz9ifvmetkd1.gif
Do you think we will ever know the full story about Trump and all of his crimes?  I think the only he’s running for POTUS is to stay out of jail.
![gif](giphy|KeTVw7VjcTJok|downsized)
He is. Trump is only running for POTUS so that A) He gets to stay out of jail, and B) To yank the US out of NATO so Putin can steamroll through Europe and take over the continent as a whole.
If we get 1/4 of the full story, I’d be surprised
With his plump swollen face/head he looks like a balloon.
Two words: **PEE TAPES.**
People like trump that are against our allies and that support nations hostile to America should not be allowed to run for office.
Comrade Kennedy, you have relatives rolling in their graves.  We always knew Trump was a traitor, but a Kennedy….fuck.  Worm ate the wrong part of his brain.
I don’t know if Putin can militarily any longer, given how weak his military has looked against Ukraine.  Ukraine has now invaded Russia with little pushback.  Putin really screwed up invading Ukraine and showing everyone how weak his militarily was.  But there is always  the threat of nuclear weapons.
This is an unfair comparison. Khan is a much better leader.
trump owes putin $400 million. That we know of, who knows it’s probably more
Don’t forget the documents case that was just overturned. It’s rumored the CIA has lost half its foreign assets after Trump asked the for the list a few days after privately meeting with Putin. It’s also rumored he stole nuclear secrets in order to sell to KSA/Russia under a proposed business venture with Kushner/Flynn/Trump. When US govt said “no” to the deal, they stole the documents.    IF TRUE, that is traitor shit. Cannon/Trump/Flynn/Kushner(?) are TRAITORS.
The P in Pee tapes is not about Pee.
There's many people in MAGA world and the white Christian Nationalist party who are furious that the US got involved with Ukraine and got NATO to pull together. What say you 
Tulsi Gabbard? 🤔
the trump entourage is mostly people whose lives peaked in the eighties (look how they trot out hulk hogan for example) so the skinny ties make sense.",2024-08-25 13:19:35,"anger, disgust, sadness, fear, surprise, neutral"
Donald Trump warns Mark Zuckerberg he will face life in prison if he commits any illegal acts during the 2024 election.,1f43a8t,1898,"Title: Donald Trump warns Mark Zuckerberg he will face life in prison if he commits any illegal acts during the 2024 election.

Body: Donald Trump has warned that Mark Zuckerberg will “spend the rest of his life in prison” if Facebook illegally influences the outcome of the US presidential election. - [Source](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/29/donald-trump-jail-zuckerberg-interferes-us-election/)

This follows Zuckerberg [admitting](https://x.com/judiciarygop/status/1828201780544504064?s=46&t=lyUkewqrOx_z4p8M2W3EIQ) that he censored information at the request of the Biden-Harris administration.



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He was gonna jail Hillary too but guess he never got around to it
It's ok, he will just download himself into another body
He then learned that the president doesn’t actually have the power to just imprison people they don’t like, because this isn’t the fucking Soviet Union or some third world shithole
This just motivates Zuckerberg to make sure Trump does not get elected. 

What a 3d chess move.
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According to what, some unnamed book by some unnamed source? 

Literal definition of bogus news report.
Zuck and Facebook are a Pentagon covert cover. See  LifeLog. They both have the same year of discontinuation and establishment. Zuck is a made guy.
Friendship ended with zuck ,  Elon is my new friend
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Maybe his ""body"" is just a remote controlled drone, and his mind is already in the cloud.
Like he jailed Hilary Clinton?
To be in power.

Because then he can start going after those multi-million dollar govt contracts to funnel taxpayer dollars into his private businesses
Same with Google and Amazon.

After the Iran Contra Affair, Congress caught on to the fact that the CIA had been selling drugs since WWII to help Chiang Kai-Shek and to fund guerrilla armies in France and Italy to combat a potential Soviet invasion of Europe (Operation Gladio). Under Paul Helliwell and E Howard Hunt, they used Civilian Air Transport to move heroin from southeast Asia to Sicily and later France, where the Italian mafia would distribute it, and launder the money through the Vatican Bank. Communism was an existential threat to all three groups, so they worked together. When the communists took over China, they moved their heroin operation to northern French Indochina (modern day Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam), where the locals fighting the French funded their army by selling heroin to the CIA. The Soviets wanted to stop the CIA's source of black money, so they funded the communists in North Vietnam to stop their heroin operation. We fought the Vietnam War so that the CIA could keep control of the opium ""golden triangle"", where 95% of the world's opium was produced at the time. After the Vietnam War the CIA was left in the cold in the opium trade and needed a new drug, enter cocaine from South America. And then eventually in the 80's when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, heroin production largely moved to Afghanistan. After the Iran Contra scandal, congress made them stop selling drugs, and give up their Italian mafia partners, thus the fall of the Italian mafia in the 80's. The illegal drug trade was then taken over by the Russian Mafia, who were largely Russian jews from the gulags, who in the 70s Nixon let a bunch of Russian jews into the country, and the Russian Mafia set up shop in Brighton Beach, NY. The Russian mafia was the perfect in road for the CIA into the Soviet Union, because they also hated the communists. So they worked together. And after the fall of the Soviet Union, they're the ones who took over. Anyway, after the CIA ""left the drug trade"" (I think they skimmed off the top of the Russian-Israeli mafia), they entered the legitimate business world to fund their blackbook operations. Think investment banks, phone companies, etc. Then they said hey this Arpanet could be used in the real world to make some online businesses, easy money that just operates on a server, and it allows us to surveil everybody. So they released the internet to the masses. The summer before Google was founded, Sergey Brin and Larry Page were working on a DOD project for a search engine. Bezos's grandpa was the head of DARPA. These two companies, along with Facebook and many others, are just CIA front companies.
Shit getting real for Zuckerberg and im here for it
It's a classic sales technique; over promise, under deliver.
And the DOJ can say no, like they did with Trump multiple times. Now the GOP’s handlers are trying to change that
Oh, now you guys like when a government official blackmailing a citizen?
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Google : zuckerberg donates 400m


Forbes : 
 https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2023/04/18/elon-musk-spreads-misleading-claim-about-mark-zuckerberg-donating-millions-to-get-biden-in-office/


> Musk is referring to September and October 2020 donations totaling $419 million Zuckerberg and his wife made to the Center for Tech and Civic Life and the Center for Election Innovation & Research, nonprofits dedicated to aid in-person voting.


Ah yes people physically voting are democrats and mail-in ballots too.


I always find it funny to dismiss lies that easily provable. 


I know, you will probably answer to this with the FGA article about it. I'm fine with that, let's read their sources together, it will be a good laugh and maybe the start of a new friendship !
Some might even say 'fake news'.",2024-08-29 14:05:02,"anger, surprise, disgust, neutral"
Trump pushes GOP to shut down government just weeks before 2024 election,1f5l9zq,2670,"Title: Trump pushes GOP to shut down government just weeks before 2024 election

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Don’t we have like… really good data that government shutdowns exclusively backfire on republicans in polls?
You think data matters to Trump?

His whole thought process is to hurt people unless they give him what he wants.

Vote for me and I will let Congress keep the government open. 

He is trying to hold the USA hostage.

I hope he manages to do it, too. 

Make every incumbent Republican look like a stooge. Right before the election. At the start of the holiday season.
Everyone in the country who is liberal or independent knows and believes that the Republicans killed their own border bill just to please Trump and try to hurt Biden. It was solely so that they can run on anti-immigrant.

So why does Trump think he is going to increase support by shutting down the government? NO one thinks that it will be Biden's fault, and NO one on the left or in the middle are stupid enough to say, 'OK, I will vote for Trump so that the Republicans won't shut down the government again.

At this point, it's 'let me win or I will not only refuse to play or change the rules, I will destroy the game'.
Republicans already look like stooges on a national and international level. Time to finally vote these fucks out
> OK, I will vote for Trump so that the Republicans won't shut down the government again.

I'm wondering when the ""we don't negotiate with terrorists"" messaging will start to come out of the Dems.
Trump is a domestic terrorist.
He's been making them look like stooges right along. Hasn't seemed to affect his polling so far.
Trump orchestrated the longest shutdown in American history, and he wants the do-nothing GOP to do it again? He's really flailing, isn't he?
It is past time.
All this guy has is chaos and division.
Facts and data are for the libs
Like a bratty kid who flips the boardgame off the table because he's not winning.
PSA: Undocumented immigrants make up only 3.3% of the United States population, despite what the GOP tells you.
""Reality has a well-known liberal bias.""
Brings to mind: “Never play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon just knocks all the pieces over. Then shits all over the board. Then struts around like it won.” (Can’t take credit. Multiple sources. Easily Googlable)
>  Right before the election. At the start of the holiday season.

His last shutdown, the second in 2018\*, backfired on him so spectacularly that he had to make the most expensive McDonald's/Burger King run in history to feed the Clemson Tigers visiting the White House, because with the government shut down, White House kitchen staff weren't there.

And this was after hilariously lying that he'd own the shutdown if *his* border wall didn't get funded; guess who he immediately blamed for the shutdown? Yep, the democrats. 

Because this fucking child can never own up to a mistake or ever admit to even making one, although he *did* name one of them after himself.

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^\*Republican ^voters ^wanted ^him ^to ^run ^the ^government ^like ^one ^of ^his ^businesses, ^and ^he ^did ^exactly ^**that:** ^the ^government ^shut ^down ^in ^January ^2018 ^and ^again ^that ^December. ^He ^finally ^followed ^through ^on ^a ^campaign ^promise!
Fully agreed
So are his supporters: https://tips.fbi.gov/home
Several thousand Scaramuccis past time
Yeah, he would. Sounds like his play to stop the bipartisan border bill because it would have made Biden look good.",2024-08-31 11:39:41,"anger, disgust, fear, neutral"
Trump pushes GOP to shut down government just weeks before 2024 election,1f6po2t,1783,"Title: Trump pushes GOP to shut down government just weeks before 2024 election

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I can’t wait until this fucking bum is nothing more than a bad memory
They’ll lose the House, and maybe not pickup the Senate.  Citizens will lay this 100% on the GOP and it will effect down ballot voting.
I hope so, but The American people are fucking stupid. I can't help but think that a not insignificant portion would blame Democrats. Texas makes a good example, Republicans have been in charge of it practically my entire life yet the average Texan still blames Democrats for their problems.
He’s going to be one of those miserable old fucks who lives forever and only causes problems. Seriously it will be Trump on a scooter with a hair system in 2028 running again because the GOP can’t get rid of him now that they’ve contracted with him.
Yep. Need to say this early and often. Trump once again fN with policy from the sidelines and costing people money. 

First he did it with the Border. Now he is doing it with the overall govt.
Obama said it right, ""count the times Trump says, ME.""
I'm a native Texan, 53 y.o. and I believe the R.O.T. (Republicans of Texas) are to  blame for ALL of the serious problems we have here. The last good governor we had was Ann Richards. It all has gone completely downhill since the election of W. 
Stereotypes about Texans are not helpful. There are plenty of democrats in Texas, and we don't like it when you lump us in with people who support the R.O.T. in our beautiful state.
Yeah, knowing both his parents lived well into their 90s and neither were exactly paragons of healthy living is what keeps me from yearning for the wrong hamburger to do their son in. He’ll probably make it to 95 and be a pain in the ass every second until then.
And Israel.
Every government employer should already be voting for Harris. Every government retiree should be.  If they aren’t they haven’t read Project 25 and how they are going to lose their jobs.
Harris is running to become president Trump is running to stay out of prison.
Yeah that’ll surely help you win over voters, shutting down the government and hurting them.
I hope they do. It will wipe the GOP from Government.
The fact that there's a non-zero chance it could be president again is mind blowing.
Alternatively, your republican friends could vote Kamala.
My republicans friends already said if he convinces them to do this, they ain’t showing up to vote
Just as Samson, Trump is prepared to pull down the temple if he doesn't get his way. And there are folks out there who think he gives one rancid shit about them.
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Nah, he’s at Death’s Door. That’s why the dipshit he picked as running mate is such an issue. Even the real Republican strategists know they’re in trouble because he’s not going to make it through 4 years.
Bibi totally fucked himself and gott some of his own hostages killed listening to Trump and now the Israeli people are going bananas in the street and Trump doesn't give one fuck.",2024-09-01 21:27:29,"anger, disgust, sadness, fear, surprise, neutral"
Trump's 2024 nightmare: Women voting surge could elect Harris,1f7yr2l,6032,"Title: Trump's 2024 nightmare: Women voting surge could elect Harris

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Trump waffling on abortion positions has to become a commercial playing on a loop on every media format possible. Make it inescapable.
Any woman should have decided against Trump in 2016 when the truth came out on who he was.
It definitely should. Look at everything about the MAGA platform. Bragging about killing Roe v Wade, and flip flopping like a fish out of water on abortion. Then selecting JD Vance who I'm pretty sure 95% of women would be repulsed by if they only knew him.
It's not just Trump (looking at State legislatures, governors and courts).

The rallying cry across America should be: ""Republicans will force you to keep the rapist's baby.""
As as cis white man who has watched a lot of other cis white men online bitch constantly about being alone, it's somewhat astonishing to me that the current male strategy of ""doing whatever women don't want and doubling down on it"" is the leading strategy. 

Like, I get that young white boys be feeling abandoned, but I guess I'm just old fashioned when I think that means they should, yknow, try to do the things that won't get them even more abandoned.
Republicans want to know when you're menstruating. 

Republicans want to inspect your genitals before you can use the restroom.

Republicans want you to need your husband's permission to attend political rallies.
Women voting in their own best interest. So they can have control over their bodies and protect their families. A vote for Harris is a vote for stability, lower prices and access to health care - that is a pro-family agenda.
Every time Vance opens his mouth, I keep wondering how on earth he even got any, let alone got married. I've never seen a more blatantly misogynic candidate in my life.

He opposes no-fault divorce in abusive marriages, rejects abortion exceptions for rape, and described working moms as bad parents who want to “shunt their kids into crap day care so they can enjoy more ‘freedom.’” What century is he living in?

[Vance agrees that raising grandchildren is ‘whole purpose of postmenopausal female,’ unearthed audio shows](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-children-women-audio-b2596492.html)
I’m a straight white male and all I gotta say is “hell yeah!” Women are pissed and have every right to be.
Because some women have the exact same misogynistic beliefs. His wife (another Yale lawyer btw. Hillbilly my ass) clerked for Kavanaugh and Roberts.
On 2, go a step further on this one. Republicans want to inspect your minor child’s genitals if they don’t think that they look feminine enough to play girl’s cabbage ball with their friends.
Well their algo driven red pill bullshit content tells them their take is spot on.
One of my favorite arguments for a trump voter back in 2016: ""He's a businessman. He's going to run the country like a business.""

  
First of all, such a ludicrous reason by itself, but I always found it laughable because his track record in business was filled with so many failures.
Vance literally said he wants to remove their right to vote and only allow ""households"" to vote.

These fucks, I am a man, but if you are a woman and voting for Trump, it's basically like voting for a leopard to eat your face
I would think a lot of men would be pissed at the thought of supporting a child for 18+ years that neither of you want to raise.
And with Trump's advancing health issues, there's a very real chance that Vance would be POTUS before the end of 2028
100% agreed. I just want to remind everyone that government does not work as a sweeping change mechanism within 4-8 years. Don’t think that electing Kamala for one term will solve all of your problems. Consistently supporting politicians that uphold human rights and equality will create a better future. I want to see everyone voting in their primaries. Vote in the upcoming general election. Them vote again in 2 years. Until hatred and bigotry have no place in decision making. Are things gonna be perfect for you? No. We’ll always have a struggle or fight to fight. But these Nazis need to be taught a lesson and be voted into obscurity forever. Kamala is a great second step in healing. Give her a house and senate to solidify human rights for all Americans forever.
“Anything but therapy and bettering ourselves” is the rallying cry.
WHAT!!! You mean constantly degrading them, taking away their rights of bodily autonomy, and promising to remove all other rights ISN'T a winning strategy with women? Knock me over with a feather.
The Trump/Vance ticket of misogyny is probably driving more women to vote than the fact Harris is a woman.",2024-09-03 12:33:18,"anger, disgust, surprise, fear, neutral, joy, sadness, anger, disgust, surprise, anger, disgust, joy, sadness, anger, disgust, joy, sadness, anger, disgust, joy, sadness, anger, disgust, joy,"
US seizes Russian websites used in bid to influence 2024 election,1f911sh,7343,"Title: US seizes Russian websites used in bid to influence 2024 election

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They seized X?
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This is actually huge news. Tim Pool and co. are literally Russian agents.
I'll take a wild guess here, but they were all Pro-Trump.
Their content gets posted on the conservative sub a lot...
This is kinda wild. I just saw a post with a tweet from Benny Johnson about how Tim Walz's entire family hates him. Was wondering wtf is Benny Johnson and then immediately come here and find out he's possibly a Russian plant. Crazy coincidence.
Is that the the social media platform that used to be called twitter?
It's notable that this is just one part of a multifaceted effort on the part of Russia to fuck with our elections. They're all over social media. It's pretty ham-handed work on Russia's part too.
I still call it Twitter.

I'll dead name that until the day I die...
Of course.  I wonder if Trump will weigh in on this or if he'll be asked about it in the debate.
Red pills will claim government censorship lol
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If he can deadname his daughter I can deadname his website
Jimmy Dore, Dave Rubin, Steven Crowder pissing themselves right now
Of course. Although Russia has been known to pump disinformation into the Far Left too. That's how you end up ""progressive"" commentators who hate everything the Democratic Party does and they try to influence Democrats with apathy so they don't vote at all.

It's definitely not as bad as it is with the Right, but they definitely are trying to sow division any which way they can.
They literally won't care. Russian troops could storm the capital and they'd welcome them with open arms if it owns the libs.
Russia has been working to influence US public opinion for a long time. Although this particular effort is clumsy, I'd be willing to bet there's a lot less obvious stuff going on as well.
> The action also targeted two employees of RT, formerly known as Russia Today, a Russian state media outlet with content available in English, charging the duo with violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act. ...

> ... Deemed “Doppelganger,” the Russian effort employed a mix of creating sites with slightly different web addresses that mimic U.S. news outlets, including one appearing to be The Washington Post, and are plastered with pro-Russian narratives. It also created other media brands to funnel Russian content.

Well, finally Wray and Garland seem to do something about crime in (almost) real time, instead of long after the fact.
Now look at all the other insane content like that. No doubt many are also Russian plants.
Can they seize Russia’s presidential candidates as well? 

Donald Von Shitzinpants… Jill Stein… am I missing anyone?",2024-09-04 18:40:47,"anger, surprise, disgust, neutral, joy"
US accuses Russia of 2024 election interference,1f9hue6,7237,"Title: US accuses Russia of 2024 election interference

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Hey! Russian here. Not sure if it counts as an interference, but since we're apparently doing it anyway — please do the world a favor and vote for Kamala Harris.
A Treasury official meanwhile said that RT and other Russian state media had engaged in a ""nefarious campaign to covertly recruit unwittingly American influencers in support of their malign activity"".
> nefarious campaign to **covertly** recruit **unwittingly** American influencers

Yeah, totally covert, completely unwittingly. Not a single person suspected this or called them out for this before. We've all been taken completely by surprise by this. /s

Honestly the only shock here is that the powers that be finally unlodged their thumbs from their asses and started actually taking action.
My favourite line from putler a while ago was when he was like “Hey u know Russia actually prefers Biden to win!?” 

Buddy guy discovered reverse psychology.
Russia does this often - they even hack US infrastructure like these [recent cyber attacks](https://wisdiam.com/publications/recent-cyber-attacks-water-wastewater/).  

But why Tennessee?
In favor of the far right. This shows you who Russia thinks will weaken America. Vote accordingly.
This is like getting mad at a cat for chasing mice. Russia is gonna Russia. Do something about the people who took the money.
It's a Republican stronghold, they know they have allies there to downplay/coverup the real story
That is exactly what they are doing. [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-tenet-media-right-wing-influencers-justice-department/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-tenet-media-right-wing-influencers-justice-department/)
Give these snakes and rats a trapdoor out and they'll skitter for it the moment Uncle Sam turns on the lights.

What, you think the NSA doesn't have extra eyes on 'em?
I sure hope this investigation extends to Twitter and Elon Musk :)

So strange cause he recently said the algorithm shows you what you interact with, but I don’t remember signing up for a rampant increase in Russian propaganda this past week.
Monitoring spies and criminals is pointless unless there's action taken. The amount of action taken vs the damages caused has been pathetic.
I mean, personally (mostly for your own sake) I would've prefer Bernie or a proper socialist candidate to win. It's a little unfortunate that in the voting system you employ you have to vote strategically, having to also consider how others would vote.
>How widespread is support for the invasion?

Wouldn't know, dude, sorry. I'm a secluded schizoid, I don't engage with people much. No people in my circle support it, but it's not a huge circle and I had to cut a few people out of it after the first days of the invasion .

>How hard is it to find information that isn’t propaganda?

Not difficult, if you're actually searching for it. Get a vpn and don't use Russian for your search queries — that's it. You'd still have to sift through some propaganda (it's kind of a fact of life, you can't fully escape propaganda), but not the overt Russian propaganda at least.

>Am I actually too harsh in my sentiments about russian soldiers?

Nah, you're good. Imperialistic invaders should fuck right off and die.

Good day to you too. Slava Ukraini.
You called it:

[https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1f9j1dd/putin\_claims\_russia\_will\_support\_harris\_in\_us/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1f9j1dd/putin_claims_russia_will_support_harris_in_us/)
How about my own eyes? I watched live tv of those freaks rioting up the capital steps and crawling up the walls and through the doors like rats. I saw them pounding on the doors and attacking police officers. And I saw this go on for hours. Hours that President Trump didn't deploy the National Guard to round them up. And they only did cease after Trump finally came out to tell them to go home.

He wanted them to disrupt things so that he could hold on to power. He's scum. And if he truly didn't know, then he's weak. Manipulated by his administration and too cowardly to protect our representatives in the capital. Because all he had to do was call in the National Guard. He doesn't deserve a speck of consideration for President.
And timely too! I got a feeling the scale and scope of all the interference will be unravelled over a long time if we see a Democrat govt.
Trump tried to overthrow our government with a coup. What the fuck does her positions matter?
Great find! Now they should seize all their assets in the banking system that have been frozen.

But they won't.
They're only going after the source.

They should also go after the traitors who spewed this vile bullshit as innocent Ukrainian citizens were being brutally raped, tortured, kidnapped and murdered.",2024-09-05 09:00:14,"anger, surprise, disgust, anger, anger, anger, anger, disgust, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger,"
My prediction for the 2024 US election: Democrats 308 Republicans 230,1f9ox49,1192,"Title: My prediction for the 2024 US election: Democrats 308 Republicans 230

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It needs to be decisive to overcome the MAGA deniers. 

For this to become a reality, people need to VOTE.
Not ready to concede AZ despite what this map suggests.

 Dem Governor, one Dem Senator and a US Senate race where The Hill and 538 polls have Gallegos leading by at least 6% over that nutjob Lake. And that lead has been grown for over the prior three months. 

Harris and her team need to invest money and time there. The Lincoln Project should be airing their stinging ads out there on network TV/MSM. 

AZ is winnable I say.
See I think we’ll get NC. The GOP gubernatorial candidate is so unpopular I think his presence alone will discourage Republican turnout. Plus so many unpolled and newly registered voters in that state favor Harris. Arizona too has the abortion initiative on the ballot (which influences higher turnout) and Kari Lake, noted crazy person and also so unpopular I have trouble believing Harris is as far behind Trump as the polls suggest.
AZ also has abortion rights on the ballot this year and that has been a strong indication for high democract turnout. Unless things are really close I feel good about AZ going blue this year.
It’s not a bad map. Let’s make it happen by voting blue y’all!
I think that is impossible. MAGA will deny any Harris victory. Best to prepare for that eventuality rather than hope to prevent it.
IMHO flip GA for AZ. I was just in AZ last week and I saw MORE anti-Trump signs and only 2 anti-Democrat signs. (Note I said Anti-Trump and not Pro-Harris and Anti-Democrat and not Pro-Trump.)

Also do not underestimate Alaska, the new ranked choice voting is gonna give us a surprise.
I live in AZ. The AZ GOP is run by a bunch of morons who couldn’t win their way out of a wet paper bag. 

Meanwhile the AZ Dems are actually pretty smart. Trump isn’t gonna win this state
You need Arizona. It has abortion referendum.
Look no further than the last presidential election for how that plays out. If GA had been a matter of 200 votes instead of 11,000? What if GA was enough to change the outcome by itself? A narrow election is extremely easy to steal. A landslide with multiple swing states makes it extremely difficult to steal. They will of course try no matter what. They're fascists and traitors, that's what they do. But there's no reason to make it easy on them. You're free to prep however else you like,but putting in the work to ensure a Democratic landslide is the best way to not need any other remedies.

tl;dr: voting IS preparing for that eventuality, and even more so doing volunteer work and donating to various Democratic candidates as well.
Very optimistic here. I think we’ll have AZ, not NC
Yea Kari Lake is polling a good amount below Gallego. I can't see them splitting the ticket enough for Trump to win especially with abortion on the ballot
I'd love Texas or Florida to go blue as well as a final kick in the balls to MAGA, but that is most likely wishful thinking... :/
For the record, I want a landslide more than anything. If I had to chop off my right hand for a landslide Harris victory, I would be a lefty in more ways than one.

But MAGA will absolutely still dispute it. They’ll claim that a landslide shows obvious cheating, that there was no way Harris was that popular, etc. I read an article (I think Politico, please someone check me) that some Trumpists expect him to win 80-20! 

Part of their delusions is that they represent the majority of Americans. That’s why calling them weird hurts them; because it shakes that belief.

We can’t expect them to break out of their delusions. Best we can do is put in the legwork, vote in a blue wave, and prepare for their backlash.
Yes but if it’s a landslide MAGA will have no argument. Fight the fight!  Tell all your friends to vote blue. He cannot be elected if we want to preserve our fragile democracy.
She could get all 538 and they’ll still say she cheated.
We have one here too in FL. Also weed! We went for Obama twice. Just sayin.
North Carolina is honestly looking more likely than Arizona with recent polling. Then there’s the down ballot voting too which is big.
If any swing state is flipping, it would be GA. They have no other races to draw out further turnout, nor any candidates to drag down the GOP ticket like Kari Lake is in Arizona.

Gallego is running a pretty reliable campaign that polling shows has little chance of losing, with Kari Lake being an unpopular candidate.

The unfortunate shooting yesterday may sway people in GA a bit with how badly Kemp and the GA GOP have been responding, but based on circumstances prior to yesterday GA seems like the only state that might not go blue.
But those complacent MF's need to put down their remotes, Xbox controllers or crackpipe and vote!",2024-09-05 15:15:49,"optimism, hope, determination, concern, frustration, urgency, defiance, skepticism, determination, enthusiasm, doubt, worry, determination, frustration, anticipation, determination, worry, determination, frustration, determination, frustration, determination, frustration, determination, frustration"
Trump announces plan for Elon Musk-led ‘government efficiency commission’ | US elections 2024,1f9zbfd,1506,"Title: Trump announces plan for Elon Musk-led ‘government efficiency commission’ | US elections 2024

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Judging by how ‘efficient’ twitter and tesla are doing, I’m not sure that’s a good idea
So in other words, replacing civil servants who are Republican, Democrat, or independent with Nazis and yes-men.
If it's as high quality as the CyberTruck, then pieces will fall off, and repairs will take a minimum of 2 weeks due to parts not being available.
Trump’s Ministry of Propaganda.
Trump thanks Elon Musk for the donation.

Elon Musk thanks russia for its donation and for partly buying X.

But no russian interference on US politics of course :)
As has been demonstrated in previous presidency.
By efficiency he means cutting any rules and regulations that affect his companies
Fill your cabinet with people who most of us despise. Brilliant.
The party of small government will always be the party of steal everything that ain't nailed down.
The same Elon who holds massive government contracts? I doubt that’s even legal. 

And frankly his companies are usually always on fire. And he treats his workers like slaves. So yeah no.
Trump loves a good yes-man.
Yup. Efficiency to fuck everyone else over.
American Apartheid
It’ll match trumps wall or slats??? lol
My head hurts from the sheer stupidity of the both of them.
Govt will be “up to spec” just like Tesla car defects and problems.
Musk is as a big loser as Trump.
Oh yeah, can't wait until he gets America to run like the fine swiss watch that has become **x.**
Look how bad Truth Social has gone...in the dumpster. Trunt turns everything to shite!
Legailty has never stopped Trump from trying anything.",2024-09-05 22:24:00,"anger, disgust, sarcasm, contempt, frustration, skepticism, disdain, disappointment, cynicism"
A historian who's correctly predicted 9 out of 10 elections says Kamala Harris will win in 2024,1fafoie,13452,"Title: A historian who's correctly predicted 9 out of 10 elections says Kamala Harris will win in 2024

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Let's put the Trump cult down for good this November.....VOTE.
If the SCOTUS had stayed out of it. Gore may have won. I still have a bad taste in my mouth the way that went. They should have counted all the votes!
Exactly!  Each vote is a statement. Even if the polls showed a landslide (which they don’t!!!), you want to ratio that MF to oblivion!
Remember remember that Roger Stone was in Florida in 2000 explicitly threatening physical violence on poll workers so that ballots wouldn't be counted. 

Roger Stone. The guy that Trump pardoned.
Just f**k’n VOTE BLUE!

Forget the pundits.  Ignore the headlines.  Tune out the bullshit.

Get registered.
Double check your registration.
VOTE!
This! Even in a red state, your state may still be red but I want to see DT absolutely obliterated in the popular vote to crush his ego and that of the maggots even further.
Doesn’t matter. Vote for her if you want to make it happen. No complacency.
The Brooks brothers riot, I remember it well, his goons rushed the room where the recount was taking place, effectively ending the recount. That was the trial run for what happened on Jan6th
According to Jack Smith, Trump staffers allegedly reused the same play in Detroit in 2020. 

[“Federal prosecutors alleged in a court filing Tuesday that a campaign employee of former President Donald Trump ""encouraged rioting"" to obstruct the counting of votes in Detroit after the November 2020 election.” - Detroit News 12/6/2023](https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2023/12/06/trump-staffer-allegedly-urged-rioting-obstruct-detroit-absentee-vote-count-tcf-center-2020-election/71828795007/)
I vote in Idaho but my (D) presidential vote counts more in Colorado than it does here.

Please Google the National Popular Vote Compact. It is very exciting.
1. Register to Vote
2. Sign up for an absentee ballot
3. The week before Election Day, double check that you are registered
4. FUCKING VOTE
I wish it was for good, but they'll shove his ass out there again in 4 years if hes still breathing, they'll weekend at bernies his ass if they have to
They failed really hard in that attempt. Thankfully.
If they had done the recount, Gore did win. Scalia and gis fellow Republicans gave it to Bush. Thomas, Alito and the other Republican four will hand it to Trump if they get the opportunity.
💙💙🌊🌊🌊VOTE BLUE🌊🌊🌊💙💙
Seriously, vote like your state election is Floridas 2000 election all over again. States can come down to less than 1,000 votes.
Thanks for sharing about the Compact. I had no idea this is a thing and it’s heartening. Still going to vote no matter what.
That's good but we still have to show up and vote blue to save America from Donald Trump and his minions.
She obviously will and they’re all sore losers
I encourage them to do so. Should be a super easy victory. ",2024-09-06 13:50:14,"anger, disgust, fear, joy"
MMW Orange 45 will lose the 2024 Election in a Landslide,1fb1d10,1131,"Title: MMW Orange 45 will lose the 2024 Election in a Landslide

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That would be nice.  I wish I had your confidence.
Yep.

He's done.

Polls are showing Harris has all the key leads. By a long shot. Outets have an interest in portraying a tight race, so the leads are probably even greater than reported.

Just look at all the ammount of Republican officials that have ditched him. 10/11 members of his own government won't endorse him. Now imagine the electorate.

He cultivated a base of conspiracy nuts that he can't court while also appealing to the middle. There's a non-zero amount of people that think the vaccine that he developed was a literal holocaust. That'll matter.

Too much of his campaign funds are going to his pockets and his legal fees. Harris is out raising him, and out spending him by 70-90% margins.

He's just not the guy he was in 2015. He's older than Biden was when he started calling Biden too old. He looks extra old next to Harris.

He can't undo his first term. He's not the outsider anymore. His first term didn't shake up the system like his voters wanted. It was blah. 

No promises kept. No wall paid for by Mexico, no new health care plan, no manufacturing jobs back, etc. etc. What kinda sucker would believe him again?

Weed and abortion will drive turn out. High turn out = bad for Repuicans. Abortion will switch voters. Lots.

He'll get less votes than he did in 2016. ~58-60m Maybe less. 

Harris will get on par with Biden in 2020. ~80m. Maybe more.



He's cooked. MMW.
You gotta vote to make this happen.

Trump is gonna try a lot of fuckery.
This 100% this. Vote every single person go vote.
Women will come out in droves to help destroy MAGA and the traitor
Vote!
Tell your friends. Better yet, have a party and everyone goes to the polls together.
The boomer generation and their worldview, that  woman do not count are dying off in droves.  Sorry grandpa, time to put you in a box in the name of progress.  VOTE HARRIS
I’m voting. I live in NY though. I can’t really control what PA does.
Does anyone remember the red wave last time? No, me either because it didn't happen. What I do see is a lot less Trump flags in rural North carolina. I see Trump with his same tired bullshit. I believe he will be destroyed in this election, and we can move past him finally. I do think they will find a worse candidate next time someone who is smart. Can you imagine if Trump had any intelligence at all. We would no longer live in an America that we would recognize he would be king. That is the scary part to me.
The electoral college heavily favors republicans.   It's pretty fucked.   Kamala could win by 10 Million votes and still lose this election.

I believe she has a slight advantage, but am worried about Pennsylvania, which could throw the whole thing to Trump.

Election reform is badly needed, and I hope that it will be a priority of the Harris administration (if it exists) to have the Presidential election winner be the person who gets the most votes nationally.

It's the right thing to do.   Every voter's voice should have equal weight whether they live in Los Angeles or Missoula.  

Currently, empty land has a stronger voice than Californians or New Yorkers.
Are you underestimating our United States of stupidity again? I am afraid I will need to see to believe on this one.
Call your local DNC and volunteer to drive people to the polls. There's never enough drivers.
Us GenX people don’t have landlines either. It’s just the boomers now.
Yep, I answered a poll recently.  First, I don’t pick up random numbers but was waiting on a contractor so thought it was him.  Turned out to be a pollster.  Asked me a lot of questions but I noticed one thing for sure, they ask questions in such a way that you’re thinking about both candidates’ vision as somewhat ambiguous and feasible for the country.  Some questions were on a likert scale and worded with double negatives - essentially asking “do you not, not like Trump?”  Long story short, if you’re not in the know about all of his shenanigans, the polls make Trump seem like any other normal candidate.  They are made to fool the shit outta most people.  Makes sense since the media needs to make this seem like some sort of back and forth NFL playoff game.  

But like I mentioned I don’t pick up random numbers.  I think it’s normal in millennials and gen Z not to so you know the polls are largely sampling Gen x and boomers who lean more towards the republicans.  It’s gonna be a landslide.  I think even Florida might be in play this time around.
I've been polled twice. Lied about who I'm voting for just to help Trump's campaign have a false sense of security.
I'm in PA.  I'm registered to help the Harris Campaign and do phone / text banks.  

Also, not only has trump disenfranchised women, women of color especially, there has been a [surge of new registrations to vote](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/kamala-harris-voter-registration-pennsylvania-b2608493.html) in PA.
No, but you can ensure your down ballot democrats win as well. I too live in NY and many of the areas near me have democrats and republicans on the ticket, so you can ensure you vote the whole ticket.
Trump turned out to be the “swamp” he vowed to drain. His support now is limited to the half-wit mouth breathing dead enders.
People in other states can volunteer to phone bank call to people in swing states.  If you are like me living next to a swing state, I volunteer during election day to shuttle people to polling stations. If nothing else, you can give to various groups that are funding candidates in swing states.",2024-09-07 07:19:40,"joy, anger, sadness, fear, disgust, neutral, surprise, anger, joy, anger, joy, sadness, anger, joy, anger, joy, sadness, anger, joy, sadness, anger, joy, sadness, anger, joy,"
[OC] What if the 2024 UK General Election was held under the German electoral system?,1fcuj3l,2592,"Title: [OC] What if the 2024 UK General Election was held under the German electoral system?

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No criticism of your post but with a different electoral system, many voters would have voted differently.
Wouldn’t a bunch of those parties not meet the German minimum threshold? This looks more like what would happen in a Dutch style straight up proportional system.
It would have had an enormous impact on a range of things from whether voters voted or not, how voters voted, how parties campaigned, if they campaigned together or not, if those same parties would even continue to exist, etc. Basically, whenever these sorts of things are done, it is always done ceretis paribus.
Depends if you count plaid cymru (and the other parties from scotland and northern ireland) as a Party of a national minority. There is no minimum threshold for them in germany. We have one MdB (MP) from the danish minority Party SSW 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Schleswig_Voters%27_Association?wprov=sfla1
What about if the last German election were held under the UK electoral system?
There are exceptions for parties that get 3 (6 in this case) constituencies and parties for minority ethnic groups.
Absolutely! People often use displays like this to argue that PR would be really dangerous because extreme parties like reform UK would do much better. However, I believe they stood a candidate in every seat many of who had no inclination or expectation of being and MP.  There were questions about whether some of them even existed. That would massively inflate their vote.

Meanwhile the liberal democrats focused their campaign on a number of target seats and possibly even had an agreement not to compete with labour, if that would mean the Tories getting in, which obviously would depress their national vote share.
Germany is already split into districts with equal population. Out of the 299 constituency seats, the SPD won 121, CDU/CSU won 143, the Greens won 16, AfD won 16, the Left won 3, and the FDP won 0.

Of course, Germans would also vote differently in a FPTP system.
I believe the BVerfG struck that down recently, IIRC
Hard to simulate that because you would need to split Germany into districts with equal population
You're right. 30th of July. The rule stays in effect.

https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2024/bvg24-064.html
Almost exclusively SPD and CDU/CSU, with minimal representation for the greens and the AfD, 3 or 4 seats for The Left and like literally no FDP.
Ya, Mat Parker, stand up maths, basically pointed out that if you arrange districts by  Lib Dems voting percentage and compare that to the same thing for Reform, they both are hyperbole but Lib Dems seem to have this bonus relatively straight section where they did best. It likely came from them playing the system.
True but it shows just how fucked FPtP is as an electoral system.
It would help the non-Brita reading this if you put the delta from the current results somewhere.
> Fptp is designed to produce clear, strong governments that appeal to a broad cross-section of the overall electorate

Works so well that FPTP based system have led to situation like 2017 UK, 2022/2024 France, or even 2022 USA. It just is demonstrably false it creates strong government with strong majorities.
Yes, the Lib Dems are a lot better at concentrating their vote in regions where they can realistically win, whereas Reform UK just throws the kitchen sink and just votes everywhere, but very few places is it sufficiently concentrated to win a seat. This problem also hurt UKIP, and they knew it, but they were unable to overcome it as they are not professionals who know how to direct resources properly. The political vehicles of Nigel Farage have all lacked proper organisation.
Though interesting nevertheless I think a disclaimer to emphasise that voters’ knowledge of the electoral system directly affects how they vote. If the 2024 UK General Election was held under the German electoral system, the results would likely have been substantially different.




The 2024 election was almost a ""task failed successfully"" of accurate votes.

On the right, people largely voted either Tory or Reform based off preference. Neither party had a chance to form a government, so voting Tory was a sign of support while Reform was the rightwing protest vote.

On the left, the Greens served as the protest vote against Labour, a consequence of them drifting too close to the centre. The Labour and LibDem vote had a **lot** of tactical voting, however it was in a pretty balance for where the two parties probably didn't lose much overall vote support due to it.

Unlike pretty much every previous election, there wasn't much overall incentive to vote for Labour and the Tories because they were the major party. While that came from a sense on inevitable victory/loss, the result is pretty similar to what a truer picture likely would have looked at.

For the many reasons I've discussed that's far from perfect. Tactical voting in one election happening to line somewhat closely in one election means nothing, but I still find that the popular vote of this election gives us a pretty could view of would PR might look like in the UK.

The results do look incredibly like a PR system. The two major parties got 34% and 24%, while the major parties trickled from 14%, to 12%, to 7%.
That rule was removed with the Wahlrechtsreform 2023.",2024-09-09 17:03:46,"confusion, interest, skepticism, neutrality"
"[Wojnarowski] In a letter sent to the NBA’s Board of Governors and obtained by ESPN, Knicks owner James Dolan continues to take issue with the league office and tells teams that he’ll vote no on the league’s proposed operating budget for 2024-2025 and the election of a new BOG chair.",1fd1w9z,1777,"Title: [Wojnarowski] In a letter sent to the NBA’s Board of Governors and obtained by ESPN, Knicks owner James Dolan continues to take issue with the league office and tells teams that he’ll vote no on the league’s proposed operating budget for 2024-2025 and the election of a new BOG chair.

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He doesn't like the league's revenue sharing model because he wants more money for himself
This is why Jerry Reinsdorf operates the Bulls and White Sox the way he does. Cause of revenue sharing. He feels that he can just suck or be .500 and make just as much as a team that spends and tries to win
Anyone know what this means?
He doesn’t actually advocate or “want” anything

This particular structure he’s opposing would make him less profitable than an alternative, nothing else matters

It’s James Dolan

He doesn’t care about the league lol
He wants the small market teams to take a smaller cut in favour of large market teams, like NYK?
And the bulls fans too.  They sell out all the games anyway so the bulls are hitting some real key metrics
“Knicks are finally good, I want more money dammit!”
Americans be hating on socialism until it comes to sports 😂
I was visiting a friend in Chicago last season and wanted to go to a game and thought I could just buy a last minute ticket. The only thing they had available was standing room only for like a hundred bucks a ticket. It was insane. It was against the Knicks
Of course a Knicks game is going to be expensive in a city that has a lot of new York transplants. It won't be nearly as much when they play the Jazz or Hornets
I have always found this to be down right hilarious. A country where people are willing to let others die rather than socialize Healthcare, but when it comes to their sport, they want everything socialized
 From revenue sharing, to salary caps, to rookie scale contracts, to calling for athletes to take less, just to build a better team, its just f**king hilarious 😂 😃 😄
Generally owners in the league are looking to expand the league and grow the game 

They make their money elsewhere and although this is profitable it’s not the main source of their income
More or less. Revenue sharing means the bigger market teams are essentially bankrolling the smaller ones and giving away more money they earned. 

He also had an issue with the local broadcasting stuff I think.
Dolan doesn't like revenue sharing.  Basically, all the money each team makes is put together in a pot and split evenly amongst everyone.  For smaller market teams it's a way to match up financially against bigger market teams.  Dolan thinks ""my money should be my money.""  For Dolan's argument, revenue sharing causes teams to be complacent and not caring about putting in a good product.  Why field a competitive team which will in turn cause costs to go up, when they can fuck around and have the revenue sharing to fall upon?  Against Dolan's argument, he's just being a petty asshole.

There's also Dolan's issue with the league moving on from local broadcasting networks.  Why does Dolan care?  It's probably because he's the owner of the Knicks' local broadcasting station, MSG Network.  More national broadcasted games for the Knicks means less for his network costing him money.  It's pretty ironic.  The most the team succeeds, the less he gets.
Didn't this clown step down from the NBA board of governors last year in a hissy fit?
But without revenue sharing it becomes harder for the small-market teams to continue operating at the level necessary of an NBA team
Dolan:  *""This ain't no commie basketball, this is good ol' capitalist with a capital C of the USA!""*
I'll give you 3 guesses which team owner is the current chair.
what happened with his dispute with the raptors? is he still in the not agreeing to arb phase
That’s not true because the Bulls have some of the highest revenue numbers in the NBA so revenue sharing actually cuts into their profits",2024-09-09 22:03:26,"anger, disgust, amusement, surprise, neutral"
How the 2024 Election Coverage Feels to Me,1fdixgs,5758,"Title: How the 2024 Election Coverage Feels to Me

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Top Comments:
""Ms. Harris, please accurately describe the economic policies of the last 10 Democrat presidents.""

""President Trump, if you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?""
""Mz. Harris can you tell us more about the fiscal strategies you will use to further reduce inflation while ensuring that modest wage rises can be achieved, and taxation levels can be optimized to allow for growth in small businesses.""

""Mr Trump, how many legs has an elephant? And it's more than three but less than five.""
Blue
I'd be a hotdog,   hey Colin, if you were a hot dog, would you eat yourself?
That’s correct there are the same amount of letters in the word Blue as there are legs on an elephant.
Also, “what an incredibly rude question, not even an, how are you? Going straight to fake news dishonesty” 🤬
Trump is graded on a curve.

Harris is expected to be perfect and if she isn’t, she is criticized. Trump is expected to be as knowledgeable as a 1st grader and if he is, he is praised
I’m dreading this debate. 

Harris will have to be the personification of excellence for the media to not completely shit on her. And they’ll still try to pick something out. 

Trump will turn up, shit himself, talk absolute rubbish. And the media will just focus on how Kamala laughed too loudly, or coughed too much. 

As a non-American watching this all unfold, I am in complete disbelief.
Harris could be blackout drunk and high on so much blow she can cover the Rocky Mountains with it, and she'd still be more coherent and professional than Trump on his best days.
HOLY COW

So wild how I haven’t thought about that in years but I immediately read your comment in will ferrel’s harry caray once I saw “hey Colin”
“You look familiar, have I sexually assaulted you before?”
Lmao
Conversely, also, Trump could be blackout drunk and high on a ton of blow while Harris is stone-cold sober, but the cult will still say that Harris was the drunk and high one and that Trump annihilated her
I’m not really dreading it. Peoples minds are made up. My mind is made up. I am frustrated I’ve never heard a good reason for voting for Trump. Never been given evidence. Never been given substantial policies. I am asked to “buy in.” 

The best argument (read: not a good argument) is that the economy was doing well under Trump. But of course, you have to make sure you don’t count the last 25% of his tenure.
It’s Leslie Knope and Bobby Newport 3.0.
Let’s be honest he probably would have said I blew up my toilet not say the word blues. And they’d say good enough.
>the economy was doing well under Trump.

Not because of any policies he put in place, it was the tailwinds of the Obama administration. Remember how he claimed that Obama was rigging the unemployment numbers but they were suddenly accurate the moment he was elected. People want to claim he lowered gas prices, but that was a byproduct of his failure to properly address the pandemic. He added more to the deficit in four years than any other administration, even ones that served two terms.
Woman, man, camera, tv
HEY! What's your favorite planet?!

Mine's the SUN. It's like the KING OF PLANETS!
Elephants have so many beautiful legs, and it's a disgrace what the elephants are doing to our country. You used to never hear about elephants and now they're - and by the way, they have trunks and they suck up all the water. Nobody knew elephants had trunks, but my uncle was a professor at MIT, very smart. But they have trunks. And the water was record clean under my administration. Now you can't drink water because of the sharks, and it's just terrible what Joe Biden has done to let all the sharks in.",2024-09-10 14:15:33,"anger, disgust, surprise, neutral"
"/r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 19",1fdjna2,480,"Title: /r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 19

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Ashli Babbit was a domestic terrorist.
“I have concepts of a plan”.

There’s your soundbite. He has no actual plan.
""I know Putin very well...""

Yeah, we all know.
https://x.com/marceelias/status/1833541181948760323?s=46&t=mj7JH76xzlbFPm3DaKApRQ

NEW: State court DISMISSES Republican member of Fulton County Board of Elections lawsuit challenging her duty to certify election results. 

A win for Georgia voters and a big loss for election deniers looking to upend accurate election certification.
Holy shit, he is getting absolutely roasted. You can tell it's getting to him.
I can’t believe someone had to say “there is no state where it is legal to execute a baby“
Lmao, on PBS fact check, everything just says

Trump makes FALSE CLAIM

Trump makes EXAGGERATED CLAIM

FALSE

FALSE

FALSE

Fuckin CLOWN FEST this guy
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Her expressions are giving auntie vibes, like ""oh honey"" haha
Kamala pressing some of Donny's buttons

_His rallies are boring, sad!_
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And THIS f …..ormer president
“I have a concept of a plan.”

It will be coming out after infrastructure week. 
Turn off his fucking mic
[Jill Stein kicked off the Nevada ballot. ](https://news3lv.com/news/instagram/supreme-court-orders-green-party-nominee-removed-from-nevada-ballot-jill-stein-presidential-campaign-election-voting-carson-city-las-vegas-reno) Pretty sure that helps Harris lock Nevada up.
Ashlee Babs shouldn't have broken a window and climbed in the capitol
Eating pets, transgender operations on immigrants lol
She MADE HIM shake her hand 😂
Why are they letting him talk so much ? Can’t they turn his mic off ?
Saw this yard sign today, flanked by a couple of American flags:

I AM A VETERAN

NOT A SUCKER OR A LOSER",2024-09-10 14:46:27,"anger, disgust, joy, neutral"
Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump,1fdtubw,4767,"Title: Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump

Body: Tonight's debate is being hosted on ABC in the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, and will be moderated by anchors David Muir and Linsey Davis.  It is scheduled to begin at 9 p.m. Eastern and last for 90 minutes.  The candidates' microphones will, under rules negotiated between the Biden and Trump campaigns, be muted in the absence of ""significant crosstalk"".  The [full rules for tonight's debate can be found here on ABC's site](https://abc.com/news/5e38600c-4732-4cd2-a99c-3dedfa81beb0/category/1138628).  Per [a recent NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/10/nx-s1-5106660/election-poll-harris-trump-debate), ""Seven-in-10 Americans say they are going to watch the first presidential debate between Vice President Harris and former President Donald Trump on Tuesday, and 3-in-10 say it will help decide their vote"".

Tonight's debate is the only remaining presidential-level debate scheduled for this cycle; the Vice Presidential debate between Minnesota governor Tim Walz and Ohio senator J.D. Vance is scheduled for October 1st.

**News and Analysis**

- AP: [The Harris-Trump debate becomes the 2024 election’s latest landmark event](https://apnews.com/article/harris-trump-debate-tuesday-6ad8c03f6bf1ae88870b7db26276236e)

- ABC: [5 things to watch for in the high-stakes Harris-Trump faceoff](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/debate-day-5-things-watch-high-stakes-harris/story?id=113523064)

- CBS: [Harris v. Trump CBS News poll: Ahead of debate, here's what voters are saying about the candidates](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harris-trump-poll-before-first-debate/)

**Live Updates**

Those wishing to follow along with the debate through text-based updates can find them at any of the following outlets: [AP](https://apnews.com/live/harris-trump-debate-election-2024-updates), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-harris-2024-presidential-debate/?id=113525682), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-harris-first-debate-2024/), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna169722), [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/live/2024-presidential-debate-analysis-donald-trump-kamala-harris) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/10/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-live-updates-trump-harris.html), [WHYY](https://whyy.org/live/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump-philadelphia-constitution-center-delaware-primary-live-updates/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna170176), [The Independent](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-time-tonight-b2609991.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/presidential-debate-september-2024), [The Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024) (paywall), [The Huffington Post](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1), [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/watch-debate-online-00178409), and [the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wjn8py59jt).  Additionally, [NPR will be streaming live audio coverage of the debate at this link](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106053/debate-harris-trump-listen-live-watch).

**Fact Checking**

- AP: [Fact Focus: A look at false and misleading claims as Trump and Harris meet for their first debate](https://apnews.com/article/debate-harris-trump-fact-focus-abortion-crime-0e368102d38d87d708a8a497a38f4fb2)

- PolitiFact: [Do you know Trump and Harris’ talking points? Prep for the presidential debate with fact-checks](https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/sep/06/fact-checking-the-trump-harris-talking-points-befo/)

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)

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**Edit: Second debate discussion thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new**

Top Comments:
Kamala with RECEIPTS
Trump complains ""we hardly make chips anymore"" despite Biden passing the CHIPS act.
Three out of ten people say this debate will influence their vote? How the hell is anyone still on the fence at this point?
I can not stand how the Media is going into how important it is for Harris tonight to deliver detailed policy and how it Will be paid for. While at the same time they give Trump a complete pass on detailed policies. The double standard is glaring
LIAR! We all know you were on the plane with the idiot who wrote project 2025!
Trump's getting triggered lol
She’s getting more comfortable here
he is just straight up lying now
Not post birth abortions omfg
Trump can't talk 5 seconds without lying
I love when Kamala looks at Trump like ""bitch you for real?""
Kamala, just ask him straight up to define a tariff.
The pandemic was so bad… the pandemic you kept insisting wasn’t happening and would just poof away by Easter?
Take a shot every time Trump says ""nobody has ever seen something like this"" or other similar statements lol
So, what I get from the pundits is that a win for Kamala only happens if she's perfect and a win for Trump happens as long as he doesn't drop trou and take a literal dump on the podium.
Everything Trump says, Kamala is just like: ""this fuckin' guy""

I love it haha
Everybody hold on to your asses, because VP Kamala Harris has the most thankless job in the world right now: trying to convince 133 million people that she's the better candidate for POTUS than a criminal sleazeball with a fascist cult following and the entire national press behind him.
How does it feel knowing that we have not seen a presidential debate without Donald Trump in 12 years?
In true American fashion, to be successful tonight the woman of color needs to be perfectly flawless, while the old, white man need only show up.

Here's to hoping she hits the glass ceiling like a rocket 🤞
She’s getting going now. Seemed a bit nervous in the beginning",2024-09-10 21:45:56,"joy, anger, disgust, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger,"
Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump,1fduc9x,992,"Title: Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump

Body: Greetings and welcome to the first debate. I know everybody is extremely excited, so I'm gonna put together a thread!

Remember, be polite and civil. No personal attacks towards each other, period. 

Due to the nature of the debate, expect heavy trolling tonight.

Top Comments:
My husband just got so pissed he donated $275 to Harris/Walz, I asked if he was okay with donating that much and he said, ""What's the price of democracy?"" And uffdah, he got me there 🫡🇺🇸

- from the 'burned down ruins' of the Twin Cities
Holy. Fucking. Shit. 

Our woman is on FIRE.
He’s getting louder. Can yall tell?? She’s getting to him already. And he didn’t appreciate the ABC fact check.
Woah a moderator actually asking a meaningful follow up question. It's been at least three elections since we have seen that!
Ok I am significantly less nauseous now. Harris is doing damn well so far. 
https://preview.redd.it/0qvc9igtz2od1.png?width=485&format=png&auto=webp&s=ebd1f67f74f1cf3a88fed3b7f4e5cef8ac649307

Holy fuck that 'You are such an idiot and I'm dying inside' from him calling her a Marxist. I about died from her reaction.
[Taylor Swift endorses Harris/Walz.](https://x.com/abbydphillip/status/1833703421360198026?s=61&t=yw_lcb_6-5U7Y1u5EZ-OLw)
FACT CHECKED IMMEDIATELY. There is no state where abortion is legal in the 9th month! BAM!
https://preview.redd.it/ux7ro9wac3od1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a759e957b67f3dc32ebd403c198d32acc54e36ca

Mic drop 🎤
https://preview.redd.it/dfyzobwyj3od1.jpeg?width=840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a27e3e02f53c879138bb4990f847d776fcddf88

🤣🤣🤣
The after-birth abortions he's referring to are the kids being aborted in 65th trimester in schools across the country.
“He exchanged love letters with Kim Jong Un”
She signed “Childless cat lady” 🥲🥹🥹💜
I love her response here.  Dictators can manipulate him with flattery and favors.  She used his own words against him.

She was so damn prepared for this.
GUYS TAYLOR SWIFT JUST ENDORSED KAMALA!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES BRO!!!! SHE FUCKING COOKED HIS ASS! SHE IS SO GOOD! I CAN'T WAIT TO VOTE FOR THIS WOMAN
I will just say, what a relief. I knew VP Harris was the right person for the job, but I wasn't sure about her debating skills against the World's Single Worst Bully (tm). 

And she KILLED it. She trounced him. She made the choice so very clear: One (imperfect but) exceedingly qualified candidate vs. one utterly unqualified, dumb guy who gets by on  big attitude, big talk, and plain old luck.
Conservatives are freaking out about how “unfair” the debate was. 

Aka She kicked his ass
Loved how she said, *""Putin, would eat you for Lunch""*

Again. Bars!!!
What was the most insane thing Trump said tonight? 

My vote is for accusing Harris of wanting to perform gender reassignment surgery on aliens in prison",2024-09-10 22:07:38,"joy, anger, surprise, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy,"
"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 2",1fdy9k3,15606,"Title: Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 2

Body: This post is the second discussion thread for tonight's debate.  The first thread was locked and refreshed when it gathered too many comments, and [can be accessed here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence).

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- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)

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**We're now on [the seventh discussion thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzwy5/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new) for tonight's debate.  The first through sixth threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [the first](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the second](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the third](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the fourth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the fifth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdz7kl/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [the sixth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzlp3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence) threads.**

Top Comments:
THANK YOU FOR FUCKING FACT CHECKING HIM.  HOLY SHIT WHY DID IT TAKE 8 YEARS
""There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born"". Yes, thank you!
“There is no state where it’s legal to kill a baby after it’s born.” 😂 

Having to tell the dumb dumb the most basic facts is embarrassing 
Trump: They're executing babies at 9 months after they're born

ABC Host: let's make it clear, there is no state where it's legal to abort a baby after its birth 

💀
What the fuck is he even talking about?  How can *anyone* listen to *anything* he has to say and think, ""yep, that's my guy""?
Yo this dude is fucking insane lmao
Welcome to $5 underground punk night, our band is called Transgender Operations On Illegal Aliens
Post birth executions?? I saw a ton of trucks lining up toddlers by he hospital just this morning! 

Who in the undercooked potato bumpkins believe this shit?
Post birth abortion is called a school shooting
Trans gender operation on aliens in jail
Headlines better damn we’ll be a ranting Trump picture w/“THEY’RE EATING THEIR PETS!”
He's really sticking with the whole ""executing the baby"" narrative. Lmao
Why is Trump constantly handled with kid gloves? Every fucking time.
I fucking lost it. Hardest I’ve laughed in years
It's very cathartic to see someone finally, in person, look at him like he's the dumb ass as he is.
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Transgender operations on illegal aliens who are in prison? Holy shit.
Man, he's getting pissed lmao
She's boiling him from the inside. He's being sous vide on live television.
She is walking him like a fucking dog

Holy shit.",2024-09-11 01:17:06,"anger, surprise, disgust, joy, neutral, sadness, fear, joy, anger, disgust, joy, surprise, anger, joy, disgust, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger,"
"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 3",1fdypmd,2564,"Title: Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 3

Body: This post is the third discussion thread for tonight's debate.  The first and second threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [can be accessed here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), respectively.

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- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)

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**Edit: thread 4: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new**

Top Comments:
Yes quote some POS authoritarian. Idk if the head of Hungary is who I would want to quote loving me haha
So Trump says he's endorsed by Orbán &  Russia?

He's obsessed with dictators.
What the fuck is he even talking about.
Transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison?

BINGO
Victor?! The most respected?😟
Lol he does not look like he wants to talk about indictments or January 6th.
Trump inherited $413 Million Dollars. That is public record. [https://qz.com/1411006/trumps-413-million-inheritance-doesnt-explain-his-mysterious-cash-spending](https://qz.com/1411006/trumps-413-million-inheritance-doesnt-explain-his-mysterious-cash-spending)
Check any conservative subreddit and they’re so angry that trump is being fact checked lol
“Why aren’t they fact checking Kamala!!!” 


Uh cause she isn’t lying. I can’t stand conservatives
Pretty sure police officers did die after the fact
She needs to interrupt here and stay Orban is a fascist Putin loving stooge
She kinda eviscerated him huh
Him even being on this stage is a national embarrassment.
Transgender operations on illiegal aliens in prison.  That's like the full Trump bingo card right there.
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I'd vote for the corpse of Joe Biden before I'd vote for Trump so I try to be unbias...

But I really struggle to think he is gaining a single independent from this performance. Trump looks insane. He came out timid but he's back to himself.
he really told a woman to be quiet on live television and asked if it sounded familiar lmao dude is cooked
He falls for it EVERY time.

She's playing him like a fucking fiddle.

Even if you're the biggest baby on Earth, you can't fall for it EVERY. TIME!
Isn’t Hungary allies with Belarus 🇧🇾
Don ain’t nobody scared of you 😭 we’re TIRED OF YOU",2024-09-11 01:41:58,"anger, disgust, surprise, joy, neutral, sadness, anger, disgust, joy, sadness, joy, anger, surprise, joy, anger, disgust, joy, anger, sadness, joy, anger, disgust, joy, anger, sadness,"
"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 4",1fdyytn,1515,"Title: Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 4

Body: This post is the fourth discussion thread for tonight's debate.  The first through third threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [can be accessed here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), respectively.

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**Fact Checking**

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)

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**Edit: thread 5: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdz7kl/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new**

Top Comments:
*I know Putin very well.* go on......
“I know Putin very well”
Not the flex you think it is bro
Thanks Donald, your incoherent ramblings have convinced my conservative family to say that they aren’t going to vote rather than vote at all.

A no vote is a win I guess
""This is a simple question.""


Trump: *rambles*
And he doesn’t answer the question.
He is refusing to say he wants ukraine to win
VIKTOR ORBAN

ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED LEADERS

THEY CALL HIM A STRONGMAN

Fuck me does half of this country actually done with democracy? Do we really want a strongman dictator?
Can't say he wants Ukraine to win because that'll hurt his best pal Putin's feelings.
Oh no. He mixed up Gaza and Ukraine.
So even the Ukraine death numbers are fake now? What a putz
Real fake numbers
Kamala claims she’s against killing babies after birth but she’s currently murdering a 78 year old baby on live television
Trump is burying himself. The mods I think were given instructions on basic fact checking and corrections, but his pathological lying has run so wild he is getting hit with live community notes every time he opens his mouth. Feels like Kamala is hardly even talking. She’s doing good at taking her opportunities to dunk on him further but she is still lowkey dodging specific policy positions
""I want to ask you a simple question.""

Imagine thinking he can answer a simple question LOL

That and Putin's cock is six inches deep in his throat.
I hope Biden is watching and enjoying every minute of Trump getting owned
Trump won't commit to Ukraine's victory. Figures
I just checked on the other sub, and they're mad that the moderators are only fact checking one side lol. You know why??? Because Trump is spouting things that are literally, objectively, 100% false. Like post-birth abortions. Or saying that he didn't say things that we have recordings of him saying.
Why is NBC having Lindsey Davis be the one to try to quite/control donOLD? And why isn't she asking more questions...
Literally quoting dictators in a presidential debate in a democracy
Two-state solution.

Rebuilding Gaza.

Ensuring security guarantees for Israel, especially from Iran.

Can't really complain about the answer Harris gave.",2024-09-11 01:55:57,"anger, disgust, surprise, neutral, joy, sadness, anger, disgust, surprise, joy, anger, disgust, joy, anger, disgust, sadness, anger, disgust, joy, anger, disgust, joy, anger, disgust, joy,"
"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 5",1fdz7kl,7069,"Title: Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 5

Body: This post is the fifth discussion thread for tonight's debate.  The first through fourth threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [can be accessed here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), respectively.


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**Edit: Thread 6, post-debate thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzlp3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new**

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**Fact Checking**

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)

Top Comments:
This…………..former president
Gonna tell my boss ""I have concepts of a plan"" and see how that lands
Bro has no plan lol
Omggg 

""I have concepts of a plan""


My brother in Christ you have no plans.
Is dementia don thinking this debate is againt biden?
There was a moment when she paused looked at him and I swear she was holding back on referring to him as a 'shit stain'.
Oh she wanted to say something more than former president
He won’t say he wants Ukraine to win.
Ah yeah he's allowed to interrupt and shout even though they want to move on but if Harris wants to respond they definitely need to move on. 

Great shit, coward moderators.
""I have concepts of a plan.  I'm not president right now""

As opposed to the 4 years that he was and never had a plan. 

Also loved the vp's laugh at him.
He can’t address any question without circling back to the same well of talking points.
Stop letting this mutherfuker interrupt
Zero questions answered so far. He’s incapable
She wanted to call him a Motherfucker so bad
lmfao Kamala just pointed out that he's running against her, not Biden.
The fact a former US president can’t directly state they want Ukraine to win the war is fucking scary.
And this…”former president…”
Kamala is killing a 78 year old baby on live tv.
YASSSS inviting Taliban to Camp David. Say it again, Kamala. Trump invited the Taliban to Camp David.
Fuck it, call that mf old and stinky",2024-09-11 02:08:34,"anger, disgust, joy, surprise, neutral"
"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 6 (Post-Debate Thread)",1fdzlp3,2143,"Title: Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 6 (Post-Debate Thread)

Body: **We're now on [the seventh discussion thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzwy5/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new) for tonight's debate.  The first through sixth threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [the first](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the second](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the third](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the fourth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the fifth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdz7kl/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [the sixth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzlp3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence) threads.**

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Top Comments:
Dude has ZERO PLAN
""So, to be clear, you still do not have a plan?""
UAW autoworker here - a bunch of plants closed under trump. Under Biden/Harris my 401k has skyrocketed, unlimited overtime if I want it, democrat majority in michigan got rid of right-to-work  laws that previously made my union weaker.
I have concepts of a plan.
So to reiterate Trump’s position is:

* Obamacare works

* It’s better than any plan he could make

* Kamala wants to kill it

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Republican nominee 🫡
Do you think Trump knows how badly he was slapped down or is he too stupid and conceited to realize it?
Anecdotally: my undecided father now says he’s gonna vote for Kamala 🥳🥳🥳
“…uh, a concept of a plan?”
Trump did try and kill Obama care. John McCain saved it
Guys, that's it... that's the headline

""I have a concepts of a plan.""

That should be the front page all day tomorrow.
“I have concepts of a plan”
Her closing statement was brilliant.   His: No plan.  Just Bitchin and moaning
She tries to get the last word - they adamantly cut her off. Trump tries to get the last word, they half heartedly try to cut him off and let him rock.

Wow.
So Trump has been in the world of politics since 2015, served for 4 years, tried to repeal Obamacare 60 times and today, in the year 2024, he only has a ""concept"" for healthcare that he will reveal ""very soon""

Who fucking buys this?
Harris smartly mentioned that she and Walz were gun owners on the gun debate.

Adding it to something that i didn't know... and stuff like this are important to bring out in a debate, rather than rehashing stuff people have already heard
lol straight up told Trump to f off with the lies on guns
My favorite line so far was: Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people
Tweet of the night:

Trump campaign officials are upset at ABC News for fact-checking that migrants are not eating dogs in Ohio.

[source](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1833694212329779371)
Somewhere there's a trump campaign staffer who wrote a closing statement for him to use and wondering why they even bothered.
If you don't care about politics, please do me a solid and vote for Harris so I don't have to hear Trump ramble on.",2024-09-11 02:29:17,neutral
"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 7 (Post-Debate Thread)",1fdzwy5,2263,"Title: Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 7 (Post-Debate Thread)

Body: This post is the seventh and hopefully-final discussion thread for tonight's debate.  The first through sixth threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [the first](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the second](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the third](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [the fourth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [the fifth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdz7kl/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [the sixth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzlp3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence) threads are available at the preceding, embedded links.

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**Fact Checking**

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream scheduled to begin shortly after the debate concludes)

Top Comments:
So dumbest line:

She hates Israel 

She hates Arabs

Transgendered criminal sex changes in prison 

Immigrants eating dogs

They are doing after birth abortion

I have the concept of a plan <--- this has my vote. 


Highest level of criminality


I hate solar, but I am a fan of it.

Biden hates her

I got involved with the Taliban. 

Run spot run

I saw it on TV

I am leader on fertilization

Venezuela on steroids
""Why didn't she do it?""

Why didn't Trump do any of what he said while he was president?
This was a massacre. Worse than the June debate.

Trump spent almost 70% of his talk time defending himself rather than talking about what he can do for the American people.      
  
Even basic bait like ""people leave his rallies early"" had him so rattled that he wasted the entire segment on immigration, which ironically is the one thing he can't stop talking about.    

Harris had an answer for everything he said. She consistently referenced facts and it was clear she had done her research.

You can tell she's a lawyer because she had a number of ""gotcha"" moments where she backed him into a corner and made her punches land hard.

Trump has a lot of room to work in these types of debates because most of what he says are lies. It's pretty easy to have a rebuttal when you can just make stuff up. Despite that, he lost. Badly.

He was simply outclassed. What a performance by Harris.
“I have a concept of a plan” - great soundbite from the debate there Donnie
That was his closing statement?
Anecdotally my undecided dad is now saying he’ll vote for Kamala!!! 🥳🥳🥳
Harris absolutely fucking dominated Trump. She is completely in a different dimension than him. Her poll performance is about to skyrocket after this.
We live in a timeline in which the former President claimed that immigrants were eating peoples dogs and then when presented with a fact check he just said he saw it on TV.
I'll add:

Joe biden hates her 

She is joe biden

The president doesn't know he's alive
He had concepts of a closing statement
Why haven't they done anything about the border, asks person who sabotaged the border bill.
Jake Tapper just called Trump’s debate performance “a 4chan post come to life” on CNN. Damn
I don't know about you guys but this seems pretty bad for Biden.
> “I’m not Joe Biden and I’m not Donald Trump. I offer a new generation of leadership”

The quote of the debate.
That closing statement from Trump was really something.
Talking about Germany in a closure statement, Kamala is living rent free hahaha.
The way his voice dropped down when she criticized his crowd size was remarkable. She struck the nerve perfectly.
Oh god Walz just dropped the ""Old man yells at cloud"" meme
What a dark and sick ending from Trump.
This………… former president 

Actually made me LOL",2024-09-11 02:45:51,"joy, anger, surprise, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, disgust, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy,"
"Taylor Swift endorses Kamala Harris: ""I will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in the 2024 Presidential Election. I’m voting for @kamalaharris because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them.""",1fe0ccl,5935,"Title: Taylor Swift endorses Kamala Harris: ""I will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in the 2024 Presidential Election. I’m voting for @kamalaharris because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them.""

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https://preview.redd.it/84l9ftn1k3od1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ef3d21b62335771af62969683b1f90ab2af647b

The childless cat lady send off omg
I KNEW she would do it after the debate... after Kamala kicked Trump's ass on national TV.
If someone asked me what would’ve needed to happen for Taylor Swift and Dick Cheney to make the news for doing the exact same thing, I’d be wondering who apologized to Taylor Swift after she shot them in the face.
In under 30 mins, over 2 mil likes. Crazy
This is the September surprise. We knew it would happen eventually, but right after the debate? Really nightmare night for Trump.
I just donated a 100 dollars to Kamala and I’ve never donated to a political campaign before.
This has to be the worst night Trump has ever had. Got crushed in the debates.... all the betting odds have flipped to Kamala and Taylor Swift with almost 300M followers have endorsed Kamala. Ouch!
As a metalhead that doesn’t listen to Taylor Swift, I’m super excited that she’s endorsing Kamala. Locking in that Swiftie vote 🤘🏼
I love how she adds “Childless Cat Lady” in her signature.  Also love her recommendation for other to do their research and come to their own conclusions.  Swifty for life!  😻
Oh thank fucking _God,_ now maybe we will have fewer hot takes about how she clearly wants Trump to win now she's a billionaire and/or is polite to her boyfriend's coworkers.
Trump’s camp f-d around and found out. That AI post forced her hand.
A strong and eloquent endorsement… and, like her or not, an important one.
Never doubted she would for a second. I’m glad she addressed the AI thing as well.
The funny and satisfying thing about this is that she may not have even said anything if it weren't for the people trying to use her for their own gain.  Instead, now she has a matter-of-fact statement that ultimately helps Harris more than the fake endorsement would have helped Trump.
We are NOT going back. 🇺🇸
IS IT MY BIRTHDAY TODAY?!?!?? I’m sooooooooo excited and so proud of Kamala in the debate and now THIS ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ I’m so fucking happy today
The most famous 'childless cat lady' twisting the knife in on JD Vance and trump. Love it!
Let’s go!! This is the perfect timing she endorsed Kamala! And super glad she addressed the AI pics as well! The way she signed off as “childless cat lady” is so so good

![gif](giphy|ej1WNA2G75DfUai7NR|downsized)
2.2 Million likes in 25 minutes. What a huge endorsement
It really amplifies the damage this debate did to Trump. If she timed it that way on purpose, kudos",2024-09-11 03:08:52,"joy, surprise, excitement, pride, satisfaction, love, admiration"
Taylor Swift Brings 283 Million Fans to Razor-Thin 2024 Election,1fehfg7,7175,"Title: Taylor Swift Brings 283 Million Fans to Razor-Thin 2024 Election

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I love when Republicans dismiss her followers as ""kids who can't vote.""

Millennials are in their **30s and 40s** now.
Hold on now.

I think you folks are severely underestimating the 73 fans Hulk Hogan brings to Trump's side.
Bloomberg must be using global stats here bc that number is close to the entire population of the US. Regardless, she’s got to have tens of millions of US fans. Nice
This article estimates 58.3 million adult fans in the US

https://metro.co.uk/2024/06/06/many-fans-taylor-swift-20986907/

EDIT: Clarifying that it's 58.3 million adult fans, so all voting age.
Elon joking about raping/impregnating Taylor also means the Swifties will be even more locked in.
Repubs are in the \~80 range, so anyone in their 30's 40's is a kid.
Mike Huckabee tweeted in 2018 that Taylor Swift couldn’t change an election because 13-year-old girls can’t vote.

First grade math shows they can register to vote now
a boomer coworker of my wife was over for dinner and he made a backhanded comment about must be nice being able to afford our house at our age.  I genuinely don’t even understand what he’s talking about.  i have had two decade long careers. I have a 15 year old and a widows peak lmao
You're gonna hear a lot of shrieking from the right about how this doesn't matter because it isn't going to get someone who was voting for trump to vote for harris - and they are probably correct about this.

What this WILL do is get (some) people who weren't going to vote, who weren't engaged, who were going to stay home, etc, out to the polls.

Whether or not it ""moves the needle"" remains to be seen, but just be on the lookout for conservative spin. Nobody thinks this is going to change minds from trump to harris, but this probably will change peoples minds from ""i'm not going to vote"" to ""I will vote for harris.""
Here. Space Karen is fucking gross and beyond weird. 

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/story/elon-musk-tweet-sexual-comment-apparently-taylor-swift-2024-election-debate
Don’t forget Kid Pebble.
Musk just motivated a ton more Swifties to vote with this disgusting, rapey comment; 

>”Fine Taylor… you win.. I will give you a child and guard your cats with my life.” 

https://twitter.com/armanddoma/status/1833732839181103195?s=46&t=bhAmRD3pitwC4kOR8KpM8g
I’m a millennial, and I voted for Al Gore. We’ve been voting for nearly a quarter century now
She's been around so long that her music career could vote. 
also she's been around long enough that her early career fans can *definitely* vote.
The few of us millennials who actually managed to get a house have done so later in life than most generations before us too.
Reminder that Taylor's fans are not all 14-year old girls. Taylor has been in the industry longer than theyve been alive. Shes 34, and the core of her fans are pushing 30. Millenials is her core base, and they feel the childless cat slander hard. Taylor clearly took offense to it herself.

She has been able to retain her fans better than basically any artist, they have aged up with her. Her fans definitely can vote, and will vote. Saying all of them is little girls is just copium.
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Um... what?
I had to double check. 

Her first single (Tim McGraw) was 18 years and 3 months ago lol",2024-09-11 18:30:44,"joy, anger, disgust, surprise, neutral"
Taylor Swift Brings 283 Million Fans to Razor-Thin 2024 Election,1fehlsw,5284,"Title: Taylor Swift Brings 283 Million Fans to Razor-Thin 2024 Election

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It's frankly pathetic that it's *still* ""razor-thin"" somehow.
It really comes down to how all states are winner takes all other than Maine and Nebraska. So a state like Tennessee is usually around a 60/40 split, all 11 electoral votes will go to the Republican nominee rather than 7/4.
But the 60/40 split is already ridiculous given the candidates. Like people vote red for the sake of voting red.
How can it be razor-thin when that clown is talking about people eating cats? Host even had to step in and told him CHECKED.....NOPE!?
It’s embarrassing that even 2% of this country would even consider that rambling lunatic with the temperament of a 3 year old to be remotely qualified to be the leader of the free world let alone actually vote for him to be.
I liked the statement she released.  It didn’t say “Vote for Harris”.  Instead it encouraged people to do their own research and vote for who best represented their own values.  It just so happened that when she did it, it brought her to the conclusion that Harris best matched her own values.
Especially after Jan 6th, the Hearing that laid out testimony and evidence, and the recent admission that he lost the election.
We really won’t know until Election Day. But it’s telling to me that my GOP parents are voting and donating to Harris and my childhood best friend (lifelong conservative) is not voting because he thinks Trump “is ass”
Yeah but it's easier to fix an imperfect system than fixing stupid people who are driven by their prejudices.
dream come true would be if she showed up on stage at a few Harris rallies in swing states, do a ""tiny desk"" thing, couple songs, just her, a mic, and guitar. . . then introduce Harris/Walz . . . .

(you may say i'm a dreamer . . . but i'm not the only one . . .and sometimes dreams do come true)
I’ve seen a lot of republicans lose their enthusiasm to vote for trump. I doubt many will vote for Harris. But I honestly expect historically low turnout from registered republicans in this election.
Exactly. If its an 80:20 thing, ok...would still mean a fifth of the US is believing that monster every single word. Way too much. If its 50/50, I wanna switch planets.
I’m a teacher of Junior High. These are kids who are beginning to understand the importance of politics, but only know what their parents have taught them. Swift in her Tweet said to research things and make an informed opinion themselves. Today, I overheard kids in a very conservative area that they want to start researching politics and make a decision themself. It was Swift’s challenge that inspired this group to go and begin forming their own opinion apart from their parents. 

I’m 100% against celebrity worship, but Swift’s Tweet seems to actually be inspiring youth to get informed. Mad props to her. Sad she felt forced into it.
The fact that the Trump people were posting fake comments about her endorsing Trump either forced the issue or gave her an excuse to do this (or both). I'm really wondering what they were thinking was going to happen? They poked the bear and got mauled. That's how things work in real life.
That's the thing. I highly doubt that over half the population of any state is stupid enough to actually think Trump is in their best interest. I believe it's more so that they will prevent any democrat from taking office at any cost.
*From Bloomberg News reporters* [Claire Ballentine](https://www.bloomberg.com/authors/ATR8P7ZTClE/claire-ballentine) *and* [Francesca Maglione](https://www.bloomberg.com/authors/AVRjz3URK_Q/francesca-maglione)*:*

Taylor Swift has proven herself to be a cultural and economic force. As the US presidential race enters its final sprint, all eyes are on whether she can become a political one as well.

Mere minutes after a [high-stakes debate](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-09-11/harris-bet-debate-on-baiting-trump-on-abortion-project-2025-it-mostly-worked?srnd=homepage-americas) in which Kamala Harris successfully baited former president Donald Trump time and again, Swift told her [283 million](https://www.instagram.com/p/C_wtAOKOW1z/) Instagram followers she'd be voting for the vice president. And in signing off ""Childless Cat Lady"" — a callback to a remark from Trump's running mate, JD Vance — she even joined in on the night of trolling.

Swift's decision to enter the fray brings a level of star power virtually unmatched across the globe. Her social-media reach eclipses that of Elon Musk, the world's richest person and the owner of the platform formerly known as Twitter. The first indication of her influence may come from those who registered to vote at her urging. Last year, [Vote.org](http://vote.org/) [reported](https://www.vote.org/blog/NVRD_2023/) a 1,226% jump in participation in the hour after she pointed her followers to the site.

In a cutthroat race that will likely come down to a few key states, experts are watching for signs that Swift’s endorsement could be a factor. The pop singer’s massively successful global tour created its own economy, made her a [billionaire](https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-taylor-swift-net-worth-billionaire/) and gave her huge sway over millions of fans who follow her every move.
Everyone knows the EC is bullshit but Republicans benefit from it, so they would fight it every step of the way. It would take a Democrat super majority and preassure from the public to even consider doing away with the EC and having the presidential election be popular vote. It's hard for them to achieve a super majority when almost half the nation backs Republicans blindly.
An old deranged rapist felon vs a competent jovial minority woman. 

Truly the hardest decision Americans have ever faced.
No didnt you hear? He was being sarcastic! ***Sarcastic!!!***
I don’t think it’s razor thin, in fact, I think it’s gonna be a Harris and Walz landslide **as long as people vote**. The news media always wants to make it seem like a close race to get views and clicks bc drama. Same thing with all those “polls”.",2024-09-11 18:38:03,"anger, sadness, surprise, joy, neutral, disgust, fear, joy, anger, surprise, joy, sadness, anger, neutral, joy, surprise, sadness, anger, disgust, joy, joy, anger, disgust, joy, sadness,"
Stranded astronauts plan to vote in the 2024 election from space,1fg3r3j,4505,"Title: Stranded astronauts plan to vote in the 2024 election from space

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US Navy ex sub sailor here. My boat (USS Parche, SSN-683) always left on ""deployment"" around Labor Day and returned sometime after Thanksgiving. While out there, we were pretty much totally incommunicado. Usually, they had absentee ballots prepared for us and we voted before we left.

But one year (I think it was 1986) someone screwed something up on the absentee ballots and there wasn't time to re-do them before we left. So we didn't get to vote that year.

Sailors being sailors, we were always looking for something to complain about, so we whined bitterly about the Navy taking away our right to vote. It kept us entertained for the first week or so on the deployment...

If that happened today, we'd be parties to a lawsuit alleging voter suppression, I guess.
I feel like the distinction between ""gets to"" and ""has to"" might sour the experience a little bit.
Sunita Williams gets to have her birthday on the station, I have to imagine that’s pretty cool.
As you should entitled to as a citizen denied the right to vote
Sure, but at the same time they’re astronauts.  They know what they want.  There’s an element of “Oh no, Mr. Boeing, don’t throw us back in the briar patch!”.
Don’t ask Boeing to deliver the absentee ballots!
I knew Kamala was putting money into mobilizing citizens outside of the country but this is a lot further then I thought.
Reminds me about the part in Apollo 13 when they told Bacon they filed an exception for him to file his taxes.
“As he is, most definitely, ‘out of the country’.”
I would assume anybody willing to go though the hoopfest needed to actually get to ISS would be glad to extend their stay as much as possible 

Nobody is ever forced to go to space.
Cue GOP complaint about electronic voting in 5...4...3...2...1...
And they vote for opposing candidates in the Same State....
Yea, that’s what you would like to think, but they have families, and if you don’t think it’s hard, you should watch some of those shows about ppl being alone, or in this case with an extra person, and see how long they last. Even ppl who trained and planned for stuff like this break and decide to leave early for many reasons. Being up there for months will play a mental toll on anyone, especially if you weren’t planning on staying this long. Thankfully they can still have contact with ppl, but I’m still nervous for their mental health.

This is extra messed up since astronaut frank rubio was sent on a 6 month trip in 2022 and ended up staying a year because a leak, he got back in 2023.
That's a deep cut. You just brought back memories of my dad reading me that when i was 3 or 4
How is this news?

Do they think that astronauts working on the ISS never voted before?  Every election cycle, US Astronauts get to vote from space if they either left before mail in voting or return after voting ends.  I forgot how they do it, though.
Actual thing that happened, by the way! Swigert remembered he didn't file his taxes while in space: 

>Approximately 24 hours and 18 minutes into the mission \[...\], Swigert asked Mission Control:

>""Uh oh; have you guys completed your income tax?""

>Commander [Jim Lovell](https://www.space.com/20320-astronaut-jim-lovell-apollo-13-biography.html), laughing, followed that up with: ""How do I apply for an extension?"" 

>Mission Control burst into laughter. Swigert replied: ""It ain't too funny; things kind of happened real fast down there, and I do need an extension."" And, again, he was met with raucous laughter. 

>Swigert tried again to explain his position: ""I didn't get mine filed. And this is serious; would you."" But Mission Control was still reeling, ""you're breaking up the room down here.""

>The teasing went on a bit longer (and started to get more creative). The crew was, at this point, still planning on landing on the moon so, in jokingly suggesting that Swigert's misstep could interfere with the mission, someone chimed in to ask, ""Is it true that Jack's income tax return was going to be used to buy the ascent fuel for the \[lunar module\]?"" 

>Despite the ribbing, Mission Control assured Swigert that they would help him get his taxes filed on time. While Swigert was not in a different country, he was still considered a U.S. citizen abroad, which qualified him for an extension to file his taxes late but penalty-free. 
They go into the process in the full article - Houston's election officials have come up with a secure fillable PDF system for them that is then printed on the ground and filed with all the other ballots.
This is the dumbest thing I have read this week. 

While deployed, certain liberties may be limited for operational reasons -- e.g. sailors are not free to leave their ship without authorization -- but citizen rights/duties are not given up",2024-09-13 19:50:24,"joy, anger, surprise, fear, sadness, neutral"
BREAKING: Pennsylvania Supreme Court rules that mail-in ballots that are undated and misdated will NOT be counted in the 2024 election.,1fg5bdd,1745,"Title: BREAKING: Pennsylvania Supreme Court rules that mail-in ballots that are undated and misdated will NOT be counted in the 2024 election.

Body: The development, which is a huge win for Republicans, is expected to impact thousands of votes in November.

The PA Supreme Court vacated a Commonwealth Court ruling, saying they ""lacked subject matter jurisdiction to review the matter.""

""The Commonwealth Court lacked subject matter jurisdiction to review the matter given the failure to name the county boards of elections of all 67 counties,"" the court wrote.

""This is a huge win to protect the vote in Pennsylvania that will protect commonsense mail ballot safeguards and help voters cast their ballots with confidence. The Keystone State will be absolutely critical in this election, and the Supreme Court has decided a major victory for election integrity,"" RNC Chairman Michael Whatley said.

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Very good.

It was such a failure of leadership that ANY ballots with no chain of custody are allowed to begin with.
False claims of racism in 3… 2… 
It’s VoTer sUPprESIoN!
Democrats here will ignore the ruling and the State Republicans will do nothing about it.

It's a trend here in PA.
If you aren't smart enough to put the correct date on there, or  date it at all, I'm not sure I want you voting
Doesn't the post office date all mail?  Seems like the most official chain
Did you know that the modern day calendar was intended to subjugate minorities? By having to date my ballot, you are oppressing me - The person who said math is racist.
Oh boy, the incel brigade is fucking SEETHING. Look at those downvotes pouring in lol
https://protectthevote.com/volunteer/

Make sure they don’t :)
There’s nothing more miserable than a liberal
Great, this should be standard for all states. 
Why is it a huge win for Republicans?   Shouldn't you say it is a win for Democracy?
Democrats will claim black people don’t know what date it is.
I've never understood why it's not racist to think black people are too dumb or too poor to figure out how to get a state issued ID or a passport. Just absurdly racist, but guess what? (To quote a great demented philosopher) That's what Democrats do all the time, they project their own flaws onto the opposing party.
Calendars are a tool of the white patriarchy!
Remember in 2020 Democrats literally ignored court orders telling them to separate ballots without signatures and that came late. The Democrats in Pittsburg and Philadelphia just said, ""oopsie!"" and got away with it. They knew \*exactly\* what they were doing. Trump was winning the state until magically a half million ballots flooded the system days later, many of which had NO signatures. 

Pennsylvania was stolen from us. Never forget.
Liberal here. This seems like a common sense victory not a Republican one. Please explain to me how this in any way is a bad thing?
The courts refused to see any evidence because they claimed they lacked standing to even present the cases. Complete bull
I didn’t write the tweet, bring it up with him
Ask yourself, which party is fighting implementation of election safeguards, and which one prefers transparency, ID, and verification?",2024-09-13 20:57:47,"anger, joy, disgust, neutral"
To get a tattoo to support your favorite candidate in the 2024 election,1fg8qh7,3861,"Title: To get a tattoo to support your favorite candidate in the 2024 election

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To be fair the wrong year is the least of her problems with a tattoo like that!!!
I wish all Trump supporters would do this.. I’d instantly know to avoid them and judge them for the idiot sheep they are without having to talk to them

![gif](giphy|pVAMI8QYM42n6|downsized)
Tattoo artist: IDGAF, I'm getting paid to ruin this dipshits life.
![gif](giphy|oEhW18AXiPoyY)
Even if she got the year right… hell, even if Trump does win the election… the tattoo is still permanent. Imagine that still being on her face when she’s 70. Not to mention the fact that this disqualifies her from getting a job in most places.

How and why could she have ever thought getting this tattoo would be a good idea?
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She looks *vaguely* Latina but I doubt that's much of a basis to assume she must be an illegal immigrant.
And that isn't even the dumbest thing she did today.
Nah, that’s not real
I haven't moved past the *not white* part. Is this an American thing where anyone who doesn't outwardly present as an Aryan Pureblood™ is of questionable heritage?
Not the wrong date. She's referencing Project 2025.
The one drop rule was/is a legal principle that says if you are not 100% white, you are not white. Notice how Obama has a white mother, but he is never referred to as white.
Side note: technically, if he did win, the year would be correct as he wouldn’t technically be sworn into office until 2025,
Mark of the beast
I'm shocked so many people here are unable to tell that's not real.
Um... isn't she?
Depends on semantics. Because whoever wins this election will be the president elect this year. That’s why every sign says 24 by the nominees names on signs. Because typically that’s the sort of stuff you use to get people to go out and vote for the person you want. lol
![gif](giphy|1r91ZwKcE2J7WhUqrh)

Never going to regret that one.
Thats why I like it when they have signs in their yard and on their car… then u know who the morons are!",2024-09-13 23:33:24,"disgust, anger, surprise, neutral, joy, sadness, neutral, anger, disgust, surprise, neutral, joy, anger, disgust, neutral, joy"
Half dozen House Republicans break with Trump in vow to accept 2024 election results,1fhe1zf,5768,"Title: Half dozen House Republicans break with Trump in vow to accept 2024 election results

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How have we gotten to a point in this country where accepting the results of a democratically held election is ""news""?
AND ONLY 6 OF THEM
It's worse than that... It's considered newsworthy to declare that they're going to do their job.
I read that as 214 cowards refuse to put country over party.


220 republicans and 6 have said they will accept the results
So 6!? 6 house republicans say they still believe in democracy
Yeah, it's pretty fucking sad.
I checked and it’s not even all the republicans who represent Biden districts. Their Dem opponents need to campaign on this (there are currently 10 seats where the incumbent is running, definitely enough to flip the house).
But it's a start. Let's praise them and get more.
It’s closer to 95%.
How brave of them
If each of those 6 can convince 2 of their colleagues to join in, and each of those 12 can convince 2 more colleagues each, then it'd be praise-worthy.
214 cowards refuse to 1) recognize the rule of law, and 2) adhere to their own oath of office. 

That makes them criminals, as well as cowards.
But...what's their house majority? Like 4 people? 6 pushes us to a state where fuckery is much less likely. It prevents the House from causing problems.


It's shameful it's only 6, but it's still important.
The worst part is that the article writes it as""half dozen"" to make it seem like more than just 6 out of TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY
Um isn’t the news here that 50% of house GOP will NOT vote to certify election results?!?
It’s worse than that. Out of 220 Republicans in the House only a half dozen are willing to accept a Harris win.
And 5 are from PA, NJ, and/or NY.

It's just pandering.
More so it should be news that 214 members will not accept the election
I'm not asking folks to praise the GOP, just the individuals who have made the statement.
Technically speaking: combined with all current House Democrats, if all incumbents win their elections... It's enough to ensure that the actual results survive any shenanigans that other House Republicans may try to pull.",2024-09-15 14:40:24,"sadness, anger, disgust, neutral, surprise"
JD Vance admits he is willing to ‘create stories’ to get media attention | US elections 2024,1fhptv0,4928,"Title: JD Vance admits he is willing to ‘create stories’ to get media attention | US elections 2024

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Just say lie
And suddenly something happened at the golf course. 🤷‍♂️
She was born in the US and this is not the city of Springfield. You’re lying and you know it.
JD Vance admits he’s willing to drop his drawers and twerk in the middle of any street in small town America to get media attention. For extra sensationalism and more coverage he’s willing to demonstrate his superb wrist action. What a turd.
That would be refreshing. 
He is a US Senator. He and his running mate shared a story on national television and on social media that is not true. They didn’t check it. They didn’t do any investigation. They don’t condemn the bomb threats. And they did so in a way that included lies by them. The Haitians are legally there. They aren’t illegals. There isn’t any epidemic of pet eating. 

I appreciate you trying to sugar coat it but it doesn’t really compute. He lied. He didn’t do it to draw attention to a legitimate issue. He is amplifying it now to divert attention from the fact that Trump lost really badly to Kamala Harris in the debate. And your react proves he is succeeding. 

If he has legitimate gripes there are ways to draw attention to it that doesn’t involve lying.
Kamala is not afraid to use the word liar in reference to Trump. I don't understand why most of the media are so gutless and sanewash Trump and JD Fake Stance.
Just to be clear, your defense of a US Senator and former President deliberately spreading lies on the media is that other people have lied too? Thanks for admitting that Vance and Trump are deliberately spreading misinformation 
.
Changing your mind isn't the best as a bold face lie.
Russian collusion was real and is still happening. But you know that.

Your justvtryingbto be a loud idiot on the internet so you can feel like big man.

Your life must be truly sad.
Crypto bro bought by an anti-democracy billionaire. That should be getting him plenty of media attention if our media wasn't owned by billionaires.
I think that's lying, not creating, and they don't care who they impact.
Yeah we know -we see it.Lying garbage.What thinking American would want to give power to someone who thinks and operates like this.
This is nothing new. They have been spewing alternative facts for years.
Right out of the Trump playbook!
I’ve “heard” from “trusted” “sources” that he uses vibrating butt plugs while doing interviews; Trump and Loomer use the controls from “behind” the scenes
Stop making excuses for these assholes.
Except it was all a lie and he's been called an it

Theres no story to being forth for the media cuz it was . Say it again with me ALL A LIE!

it's absolutely creation because it didn't happen at all. Never. Absolutely based in fiction. A BALD FACE RACIST LIE MENT TO SPARK VIOLENCE AGAINST MINORITIES.
Did the Italians speak English who arrived in New York in the early 1900s? The Germans? The Jews fleeing the Nazis? The slaves? Get over your sense of cultural superiority. The entire US is a product of immigration and the culture is a blend of dozens of others.
So how do *you* know better than the guys who pled guilty to collusion,  since *they* were the ones who were there?",2024-09-15 23:02:38,"anger, disgust, sadness, anger, anger, disgust, anger, anger, anger, disgust, anger, anger, anger, disgust, anger, anger, anger, anger, disgust, anger, anger, anger, disgust, anger, anger,"
"Peter Thiel: ""if the 2024 election is close, Kamala will cheat to steal it.""",1fhzz8j,3731,"Title: Peter Thiel: ""if the 2024 election is close, Kamala will cheat to steal it.""

Body: Can we be done with these tech oligarchs already? We have Elon Musk picking fights with other countries and blasting the US with his pro-Trump nonsense, we have Peter Thiel outright saying that a close election will be ""stolen"", and so on. https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/1835049489545281565

Some of these people have vested interests in organizations with significant government contracts, and yet they say a close election must be one that is stolen - NO THANK YOU. Those are MY TAXES. I'll be contacting my Senator/Congressmen about this. I'm not living through another Jan. 6 without doing something about it first. 

Link below for those interested. 

Congressmen: https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

Senator: https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm?Class=1

I honestly don't know. Doesn't Theil have a meaningful interest in Palantir? And doesn't Palantir do a meaningful amount of business from government contracts?

""Pentagon awards $480 million deal to Palantir for 'Maven' prototype"" https://www.reuters.com/technology/palantir-wins-480-million-us-army-deal-maven-prototype-2024-05-29/

""Pentagon’s AI office awards Palantir a contract to create a data-sharing ecosystem"" https://www.nextgov.com/defense/2024/06/pentagons-ai-office-awards-palantir-contract-create-data-sharing-ecosystem/397104/

""Palantir lands $99.6 mln deal with U.S. State Department"" https://www.reuters.com/technology/palantir-lands-996-mln-deal-with-us-state-department-2023-03-08/

Novice game theory: If you’re wealthy enough and engrained within America’s welfare enough – say like a major government contractor, there’s no meaningful downside. This means you can bet AGAINST America all of the time. If your bet is bad, your downside is a great government contract. If your bet is good, you have access to the money spout. It’s all upside or major upside. So your smartest bet is always against America. And thus, Mr. Theil? 

What a gut punch. These are all within the top 5 search results for ""Palantir government contracts,"" I hope I'm really wrong. :(

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These American Oligarchs have nothing but absolute loathing for average Americans - we are literally peasants to them. Welcome to the new era of the ""Divine Right of Kings"". If people don't use the only power (voting) that we have against these MFers, then we get what we deserve.
OP, I know you showed thiel’s government contract connections.  But you completely ignored the bigger issue - Thiel effectively owns JD Vance.  He got jd every job he ever had and supported his run for senate.    Thiel wants Trump and Vance to win for his own personal goals.
To add on to your comment, Peter Thiel has publicly expressed disdain for democracy as a system. 

Why people are not more suspicious of him and JD blows my mind because they are just going to manipulate DT.
White, male immigrants who spent formative years in apartheid South Africa seem not to be the best people to admit to the USA. I can do stereotypes as well as they can.
I've contacted my Congressman and Senators. I encourage others to do the same. This is absolutely unacceptable.

Congressmen: https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

Senator: https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm?Class=1
Justice Alito and his wife visited a hereditary German Princess last year for a concert at her home (St Emmeran Castle/Palace, largest private home in Germany) she’s an extreme far-right what I would call patron of political agitation and literally advocates for a return to Monarchy. They all say they’re very good friends of each other. All he noted on his financial disclosure was the value of the concert tickets but they were hosted in the 500+ room palace 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/13/alito-supreme-court-far-right-ties

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-justice-samuel-alito-german-princess-900-concert-tickets-rcna170019
This man 100% knows that’s not true. MAGA knows it’s not true. Trump knows it’s not true. The left would absolutely reject anyone who tried to do something like that.
Pure projection. 

We know that he's packed corrupt maga loyalists into election boards and swing states. They're just laying the groundworks for trickery and lying and attempting to steal the election.
It is in their interest to undermine democracy. 

The plebs are the enemy.
Thiel has also been funding men like Curtis Yarvin who push an anti-democracy worldview based in genetics and IQ where they literally believe that Black individuals have inferior genes that will pollute the genes of white individuals. His funding of these guys is documented and evidence even shows up in easy to access wikis. I don’t know why the press doesn’t bring up his agendas here whenever he’s brought up, especially when he’s disparaging the integrity of a Black woman.
They're immigrants, to boot. Make the USA apartheid South Africa again.
Vance is also in tight with the president of the Heritage Foundation, Kevin Roberts. He even wrote the foreword to Roberts' upcoming book (delayed until after the election) where he talks about circling the wagons and loading the muskets. He's like this dark intersection between anti-democratic billionaires and Christian nationalists (not dissimilar from SCOTUS, in fact).

I think it is important to understand that our democracy is being attacked by powerful forces from several directions right now, all at once. This could be the most consequential election in American history.
There was obviously a reason the wealth used to be taxed exponentially higher. They think they are gods because they hold so many cards. He must be livid that he can’t buy this election.
I had an SA boss who was a former Recce (Commando). Tank of a man.

If you want to get him riled up, ask him about Musk. He cannot wrap his head around why Musk has a cult following.

Imagine this spoken in Afrikaans-accented English: “Four languages and I cannot find a single derogatory word sufficient for him.""
The Murdochs, Musk---none of them from the U S. but doing a whole lot of damage to consumers who have enriched them. Who is this Thiel who hates our country too?
It’s not nothing that Thiel and and Musk are naturalized citizens. 

My guess Thiel left Germany because he couldn’t vent his fascist beliefs in Germany. And Elmo is a product of aparthied who left to find greener pastures to spread his white supremacist vision of oligarch paradise.
Voting isn’t the only power we have to do something about this, but it is by far the most civilized…

This problem will need to be dealt with one way or another, it’s their choice if they want that choice made peacefully or forcibly
Every accusation is a confession.
Check out u/backcountrydrifter.  He's connected a lot of dots.
And he knows that even though he's gay, being a billionaire insulates him from any outcomes of policies pushed by these nutjobs. Truly despicable human",2024-09-16 09:02:57,"anger, disgust, fear, sadness"
CMV: Voting for Donald Trump in the 2024 election means you're either ill informed or actively opposed to democracy.,1fi41o4,6252,"Title: CMV: Voting for Donald Trump in the 2024 election means you're either ill informed or actively opposed to democracy.

Body: If you're voting for Trump in the 2024 election, it suggests that you either have a lack of understanding about what has happened over the last decade and have been subject to misinformation, or are actively against democracy. 

There is a minority of Trump-voters who would like to see another system in place than the current system of democratic values, because they think their values and ideals are more important than democracy. Those who would rather live in a tyranny or other aristocratic system, as long as their needs and values are met. 

The vast part of the republican voters does not want to get rid of democracy - nor is it in their best interest - and are just un- or misinformed about current events. Even if your opinions are generally in line with most of the things Trump stands for, and you're actively opposed to everything Harris stands for, it should not matter since one side does not adhere to democratic values and the other does. I understand that a lot of information that people in the US get is heavily colored in favour of one candidate or the other

All of this has been made especially clear since January 6th; if you support a candidate that attempted to commit a coup d'était, you want to subvert democracy, or you don't have the correct information to make an informed choice.

I'm open to discussion and reconsidering my views if presented with new insights, as ""they're all misinformed or authoritarian"" feels overly simplistic. My perspective comes from observing recent events, but I'm curious to see whether my view is shaped by the news I receive or if there’s a more nuanced explanation.

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A lot of us see both sides as undemocratic but trust the constitutions and system to keep them in check. 

>There is a minority of Trump-voters who would like to see another system in place than the current system of democratic values, because they think their values and ideals are more important than democracy. Those who would rather live in a tyranny or other aristocratic system, as long as their needs and values are met. 

Just go to the politics sub, or any other left leaning sub and you will see a minority of Harris voters calling for the same thing. They were seen with Joe Biden and them saying ""Biden needs to change the rules so we never get Republicans in again, or if Harris gets in, she needs to do that""

> it should not matter since one side does not adhere to democratic values and the other does

Democrats don't stand for Democratic values. The DNC in 2016 actively worked against Bernie Sanders. The head of the DNC got caught giving Hillary debate questions ahead of time to help her prepare and win the debate. More recently they propped up Biden and once he dropped out, they could have had a very quick primary season but decided against letting their party members vote and undemocratically anoint Harris as the nominee.  

In addition, off the top of my head, It's been Democrat administrations who tried to institute soviet style snitching. Obama made an official notification page and e-mail address where people could report their neighbors and family for saying ""misinformation"" about Obamacare. Biden tried to institute a 1984 style ""Truth commission"" to fight against ""misinformation"". 

Just in the last month we have multiple Democratic Secretaries of States trying to remove 3rd party candidates who hurt Harris's chances by drawing votes away from her and fight to keep on 3rd party candidates who hurt Trump's chances by drawing votes away from him. Courts have overturned some of these decisions because they weren't based in the law.

**EDIT: To all those with the whataboutisms and ""The Democratic Party can do what they want since they are a private organization"". I'm not saying Republicans are better. I'm showing OP that his statement of "" it should not matter since one side does not adhere to democratic values and the other does."" is wrong. They already made the case for Republicans, I'm making the case for Democrats too**
You're always treading on dangerous ground when you try to claim that you're more informed than someone else.  Humans are not very good at judging how much they know compared to other people.  

The most engaged Trump voters that are posting on Trump media sites etc are extremely informed.  They're consuming all the same information you are, and then some more on top of that from right wing sources.  They simply interpret the information differently from you.

Claiming that 40-50% of the country believes differently from you because they are misinformed is something that can only come from naivety and a lack of self reflection.
>""Biden needs to change the rules so we never get Republicans in again, or if Harris gets in, she needs to do that""


Except Democrats are not saying that in an undemocratic matter. They are saying that, if the will of the people were adequately reflected, we would not have seen a single Republican president in the 21st century without the electoral college, which also is why Republicans have captured the supreme Court. Literally 5 out of the 9 supreme Court Justices were appointed by Republicans who lost the popular vote.


>In addition, off the top of my head, It's been Democrat administrations who tried to institute soviet style snitching.


This part should make you reconsider your news sources. Funny how, in a long comment about how ""acktually both sides are the same"", you took something where both parties are actually the same and blamed it only on the democrats.
Your bit about Democrats wanting Biden or Harris to change the rules that Republicans never win is just wrong or misinformed. The rules they want changed are things like ranked choice voting and automatic voter registration. Those policies should increase democracy. The reason people think Republicans will never win again is because they haven't won the popular vote in 30 years. So by increasing democracy and a true representative vote, Republicans can't win.
The Democratic Party, and the Republican Party, are not government bodies. They are free to pick their representative however they wish. Even if the Hillary conspiracy was true ( it’s not ), that has nothing to do with anything.

If Hillary, right now, went on national TV and said “Actually, Nancy Pelosi and I are going to be running. We fired everyone who disagreed.” then 0 laws would have been broken.

Compare this to Trump’s false slate of electors.

His legal argument was NOT that be didn’t do it,  nor that his actions were legal, but that he needed complete CRIMINAL IMMUNITY.

Then, shockingly, the Supreme Court from which he appointed three members (after Republicans blocked Obama’s rightful appointment during his term), decided to ignore the Constitution when deciding whether or not the argument was Constitutional.

Now the Supreme Court has ruled that the President cannot be held investigated for criminal actions done while in office through “official acts,” the definition of which is so vague that they don’t specify because to do so would likely mean creating a definition that wouldn’t cover Trump’s many attempts to seize power.

Also fighting misinformation, i.e. lies, is not the same as “fighting democracy.” Public figures should not be allowed to willfully lie to the public, especially in ways that undermine the public’s trust in its government.

Lies are not the same thing as opinions.
The way you have the CMV worded, any view in favor of Trump, whether held by the replier or not, can be dismissed with ""you are misinformed.""
He’s pointing out the flaws in the democrats because op is already against republicans and knows their flaws.
There are so many topics that are debated in politics that are really not debated at all among people who are experts on those topics (People with PhD's in the subject, who have read and discussed the topics everyday for the last 30 years), and there are so many people that disagree with these experts on the basis that they just have a different opinion. They are misinformed, their different opinion doesn't matter to me because they didn't form it based on any knowledge out there, most of the time all they did was ruminate about it.   
  
Only 58% of America believes that climate change is mostly caused by human activity. Only 62% of Americans, and only 30% of republicans accept human evolution. These numbers were worse 10, 20 years ago even though the scientific community has almost unanimously accepted it for a long time. These people believe differently from me because they are misinformed, it's not out of naivity or a lack of self reflection.

There are many other issues like this, that might only 20-30% among the general public, but almost unanimous support among those that can tell almost everything about subject. In this case 70-80% of the population is misinformed.

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But perhaps I'm living in a world of propaganda as strong as the Truman show where everyone is trying to keep me in the dark, and that my family, all my teachers/professors and everyone I've met is in on it. How would I know I guess
Please can we just pin this as a megathread for the daily “Trump Supporters are Fascists” conversation?
There are many more options than the two you've presented.

For instance, and for the sake of critical thinking, you must at least consider that it is you who is misinformed. I can not know the breakdown, but it must be true that a portion of Trump voters believe that the current regime controls the media representation of all facts related to Trump (biased news is propaganda after all). Many of those probably believe that the Department of Justice has been politically weaponized. Given that it has been in the past (War on Drugs), why not now? 

What information do you have that you can be sure is untainted by bias? 

How do you know, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that a Democrat-run DoJ isn't being pointed at Trump in a concerted effort to take him out of the race?

I should note that I am no conspiracy theorist. I do not like Trump. I would not vote for him. I also do not believe the things I noted above are happening. But I can not dismiss them out of hand. In the same vein, I can not simply swallow the narrative being fed me.

So there are more options than the two you propose. The narrative you believe simply isn't the narrative they believe. Whether that be due to ignorance, malice, or misinformation.

Some points to consider:

When it really comes down to it, 10 news networks running the same story doesn't mean that 10 independent stories all reach the same conclusion. It is usually that one source supplied the same story to 10 different outlets.

Nobody who found themselves on the wrong side of history ever thought they were wrong. They were judged wrong after the fact.

If you are certain you are right to the point that it simply doesn't make sense why anyone would think differently, you are not thinking critically. The definition of indoctrinated. 

It is entirely possible you are right and have all the facts you need to make a correct and principled decision. But what if you don't?
This falls under “uninformed.”

Trump absolutely could have accomplished an auto coup.

Pence is the only thing that stopped him, ironically. If he had refused to certify the vote, there’s no real precedence for what comes next. And Trump was directly pressuring him, even ordering him, to not certify the vote.

Without Pence’s adherence to democracy, if Pence had submitted to Trump’s demands and refused to certify the vote- we would have a constitutional crisis.

There have been many opinions written that nothing explicitly gives Pence that power. All of those opinions hold no legal weight. The reality is- if Pence refused, Trump would have immediately filed suit with SCOTUS.

And their opinion would be the only one that mattered. If they ruled for Trump, he would have successfully executed an auto coup via presidential and judicial corruption.
Is this not being ill informed? It requires being unaware of Trump's previous attempts to immensely undermine democracy with the fake electors and pressuring the DOJ to call the election fraudulent so on and so on, it that his new campaign is based entirely on not making the same mistakes the next time.

Including replacing career government workers within the doj with political appointees and loyalist. A thing that's already happening all over the country.
I’m not Not a trump supporter. Answering for the sake of CMV. 

What if you’re neither - you like a republican president, and you don’t believe Trump (or anyone) has the ability to do any of the draconian things they all say?

He tried once to subvert an election/vote - and was not successful. He was impeached for it. 

It’s possible a voter would feel that Trump will grumble about not winning, but won’t be able to change anything - especially those elements that are written into the constitutions

Tl:dr: another possibility is a voter prefers GOP and doesn’t think Trump can actually do terrible things (or that the constitution will prevail).
For the second of those two categories, I don't necessarily disagree but think you should broaden it to include not merely people who are actively opposed to democracy, but also a group that I suspect is bigger in America today: people who are *indifferent* to democracy, who do not have any strong feeling that non-democratic government would be good but also don't care about or have sufficient faith in democracy (at least not the model practiced in the USA) either.


I doubt that very many Americans believe that abolishing elections, removing votes from certain people or attempting to violently overthrow elected governments is the ideal way a country should be run and that America would improve simply by these things supplanting the current system. But I think a bigger number of Americans possibly believe that their form of representative democracy at the very least isn't any *better* than non-democracy, or have little enough confidence in democracy to deliver improvements in their lives that they are willing to vote for a candidate like Trump who attacks and undermines democracy if they agree with some of his other policies.
""but what if the dictator is good actually"" is one hell of a take...
During the Democratic primary debates, there was an exchange between Harris and Biden. Harris talked about the things she would do using executive orders to restrict gun rights. 

Biden countered that the office doesn't constitutionally have the power to do everything she just said. 

She said she'd still do it, you only need the will. 

He explained that there are limits to executive power, and that she must be restrained by them. 

She **literally laughed at him** for defending democracy this way. 

I don't know about you, but to me that sounds like someone who is actively opposed to democracy. She would be more at home in an absolute monarchy. 

Biden was the guy defending democracy from Harris. Crazy world, huh?
that is indeed the rational thing to do. if the pro-democracy pro-murder candidate wins, you get more murders now, but you can vote them out in 4 years and bring back murder laws. if the anti-democracy candidate wins, they can do whatever the fuck they want, including things like killing their own civilians, and you can never do anything about it.
yeah, and as mentioned, I think that this commenter was wrong on some things (like claiming that only democrats are proposing surveillance laws), and did a poor job defending his views elsewhere.

  
Believe it or not, a party making rules in a primary to reward actual cardholding democrats over an independent who only ran on the democratic ticket in 2016 as an exception, while shitty, is not remotely similar to literally wanting to overthrow a democratic election where you lost.
Why do you claim ill informed? Not everyone is on both sides of the spectrum and to claim that one side is and not the other is a gross generalization. Just like there are a lot of right wing absolutists there are also many left leaning absolutists, that don't understand that there is nuance to political opinions and views.   

I am a registered Democrat and have voted Democrat up until 2020. I voted for Trump in 2020 and will vote again for him this year. I am a history buff and actually have an above average understanding in civics and how our government works. With that said, I let myself get washed away by the media and left leaning influencers that shouted to the winds that Trump was/is a fascist dictator back in 2016, when the checks and balances are there to prevent that. 4 years passed without issue and a bunch of things changed my mind.   

By the time the January Capitol protests happened in 2021, I had already disassociated myself from the media after 4 years of the Boy who cried Wolf from them and left leaning influencers, plus the disaster that was 2020 with disinformation and biased news reporting from the left leaning media covering Covid and the George Floyd riots. So while I was a bit shocked at the Capitol protests, reading about it from both sides and looking at the videos and stuff, I was convinced that the protests were indeed peaceful and people were let in to the Capitol by security. Plus historically, a fascist takeover/coup is not one done by the people to the government but by a leader with the backing of the armed forces; the former is more of a revolution more than anything but since the protestors didn't take anyone hostage nor claim to take over the country but were contesting a controversial election, that's why I see it as a protest.   

Anyway, the more I started to see videos of Trump's 2016 campaign, I saw that his comments were taken out of context. He is crass and definitely not professional but he is not necessarily saying lies but exaggerating the truth. What turned me over was videos of him admitting to using the system in his favor when accused of rigging it by Hilary or Jeb, but then throwing it back at them of spending decades in power but not doing anything to stop those loopholes and benefiting from them as well. Then the fact that he is fact checked but when you read those fact checked articles, like mentioned before, they show that he was exaggerating but still right.   

Then in a personal level, I am tired of the left screaming racism, mysoginy, bigots, Nazis, etc., for things such as disagreeing on issues. That if you are a Democrat or liberal, you have to agree 100% on all issues or else you are a right wing bigot. That I can't escape leftist politics anymore because they are invading movies, video games, work, and others. Things that the left has always criticized of the right bleeding into non political things, are now things they are doing. The fact that these leftist groups are full of contradictions and can't get anything done because everything has to be inclusive when that is impossible to do. Seeing my home state of California and home of Los Angeles become this shithole due to disastrous policies that I voted for (like higher taxes to help the homeless) only to see the percentage of homeless go up and hear about $20 billion go unaccounted for. Seeing a push for gender laws go into effect, seeing universities lower their standards of admission, seeing a push to go all electric when our grid infrastructure is not even ready for it....like it's all going so fast to show that they are doing something when in reality they don't see the long term consequences of the policies they are doing.   

So how does it relate to Trump, since local government is separate from the federal? Well my disatisfaction with how the Democrats have run things in my state stretches to how they run the country. Blaming the right for things they also do, like insider trading (like Nancy Pelosi's husband). Things like higher gas prices (which does beg the question of whether the oil companies responded to it because of Biden stopping the pipeline and/or because they are greedy), the war in Ukraine and sending billions there when our citizens are homeless.   

Now, I'm no neocon. I still consider myself a liberal and support freedom of speech, of choice, and stuff but not the intolerant left that wants to get rid of it to avoid offending others or of people who they disagree with them. I want a government that wants to compromise to get things done but no one wants to give in. Just like how I don't want religion taught in the schools, I don't want gender stuff taught there. I don't want a political party doing things and then turning around and saying that they didn't do that but the other party did. A political party that has no campaign issues other than ""at least they are not Trump"". As that one saying goes, I didn't leave the Democratic Party but was left behind.
This is my father. He's a (relatively) reasonable, educated man and has voted for Trump twice, and will do so again. He's religious and a lawyer, and has indicated the single issue of the supreme court as the reason he's going to continue to vote for (but not support) him. He doesn't believe he's smart/savvy enough to do anything drastic due to the checks and balances that exist in our system.  While I disagree, it's a sound argument and has nothing to do with the fall of democracy, jingoistic flag waving, or owning the libs. He just wants a republican at the helm. Edit: there are a lot of child comments disagreeing with the substance of the argument in this comment. The point that I was ultimately trying to make is that some people don't believe Trump has really don't anything, on his own, to erode democracy. Per the argument, he's tried and failed on many occasions. He did not single handedly lead a coup, ban abortion, or [insert terrible thing here]. According to the argument, he was simply the figurehead. And having a republican figurehead, no matter who, is better than a Democrat.


Edit 2: if you have a personal problem with my father's reasoning, I suggest you relay that in another sub. Despite the fact that his opinion isn't one which I share, I would still like to point the majority of the commenters to the sub's purpose and rules. Emotions run high around Trump, I get it, but this is a sub for argumentation and reasoning, not insults and airing grievances.",2024-09-16 13:02:20,"anger, disgust, fear, surprise, neutral"
7 Illinois counties consider leaving state in 2024 election,1fjxrsf,1089,"Title: 7 Illinois counties consider leaving state in 2024 election

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""central Illinois received $2.02 back for every tax dollar given to state, with southern Illinois receiving $3.02 per dollar. By contrast, Cook County got 88 cents back for every tax dollar, while the outlying suburban counties got back 54 cents.""


Downstate needs the suburbs. Kentucky doesn't have enough in their coffers to pay those bills and I highly doubt Missouri would want to bring in more St. Louis and all the other issues surrounding it. Taxes in either state would go up significantly, which would defeat the purpose of splitting. Plus, Missouri has fairly strong trade unions that pay damn close to what northern illinois trades get. Aren't these people anti-union?


Lastly, I'd hate to see illinois lose one of the greatest parks in the nation. 


In the end, these people are free to move to their ""lower taxed"" paradise.  They'll find out quickly how important taxes really are. 
Oh look, it’s the weekly Illiexit post.
Yeah as soon as those Chicago tax dollars stop flowing they’ll come crying. What a waste of time and energy to try to make this happen. Kentucky can have em
*move for lower taxes*

*complains that town is failing, no small businesses or large companies coming in, roads unrepaired, fewer public services*

*moves to new location with higher taxes for the better QoL*

*complains about higher taxes*

Rinse and repeat...
If you don’t like that the biggest city in your state has such a huge impact, all you need to do is build another large city, create infrastructure to make it viable, have jobs to bring in residents, etc etc.

I mean, free market right? That’s what everybody wants isn’t it? Nobody is stopping you from making Jerseyville the next Chicago.
Step one: Leave Illinois

Step two: Declare independent Moronistan.

Step three: Apply for foreign aid.
If they split to a new state they wouldn't even be part of KY. I can't see any city in the south end of IL providing enough to sustain a reasonable state budget. They'd be more Kansas than Kentucky, if even that well off. As long as a Puerto Rico or DC was added as a state to balance the senate it would be a net win for the Chicago and suburbs financially.

Edit: yes I know that this is not a viable thing that could happen, the last time that a state split was WV/virginia during the civil war. 
Casey’s gas station is the largest “industry” in a lot of there So Il towns. That, 2 bars, a tattoo parlor, and a non Catholic Church. Great tax base!
And here I am in Indiana plotting my move to IL in a year. Thanks for letting me know which counties to avoid.
Step three: why would Obama do this!!
Are these the welfare counties?
Good luck downstate 😂 you'll soon realize Chicago money is needed.
Same thing just happened in Baton Rouge. A wealthy enclave of mostly white neighborhoods split from the main city... They're in for a rude awakening when those bills start piling up.
Also, it’d put part of the Mississippi River entirely within MO, and thats and idea that the federal government, historically, hasn’t liked very much
Yes, and as someone from Kane county, I can say I wouldn’t miss paying for them anymore lol
Bye hicks. Don’t let the door hit you.
Those 2 bars have 10 slots machines though!
If you’re looking outside the Chicago suburbs, then the metro east (IL side of St. Louis suburbs) is good, as are the places with public universities, and the few other cities mostly.
Because (Step Four:) Sleepy Joe let Obama get away with it!
It’s a technicality, but the Mississippi exists entirely in Illinois near Kaskaskia and has for over 140 years. The river diverted 5 miles eastward after a 1881 flood.",2024-09-18 16:57:41,"anger, disgust, neutral, joy, surprise, sadness, neutral, joy, neutral, anger, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy,"
Sean O’Brien announcing the Teamsters won’t be endorsing anyone for President in the 2024 election.,1fk4h67,1914,"Title: Sean O’Brien announcing the Teamsters won’t be endorsing anyone for President in the 2024 election.

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12/8/2022 , TEAMSTER RETIREES, CENTRAL STATES PENSION FUND AWARDED $36 BILLION
The grant was made possible by the American Rescue Plan (ARP) that was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Joe Biden on March 11, 2021. What has Trump done for you? Would he sign that bill? A good leader has to make tough decisions and persuade his members to get on board with the right candidate. O’Brien’s inability to open the members eyes shows weak leadership. Good luck. (By the way, this information is taken straight from the Teamsters press release from 12/8/2022. Feel free to look it up.
The fact that so many dipshit teamsters would vote for trump just goes to show how uneducated we are on the whole
A vote for Trump is a vote saying “My problems aren’t of my own making, my troubles are because of ________”

1. Brown people
2. Immigrants
3. Democrats 
4. LQBTQ
5. Library books
Etc etc.

Trump gives weak people who can’t admit all their ails are 95% their own choices and 5% the randomness of life an excuse and community of peers
Yeah, Biden gave 86 billion to the UA in 2021. No idea how the majority of a major union is endorsing Trump
We endorsed Harris. How any union could endorse Trump is beyond me.
These Trump judges out here trying to end the NLRB and you don't know who to back? Pls.
whatever little I can do and ship via USPO.
I didn’t down vote, I genuinely want to know what you think it means. 

I also want to know why you feel that someone who’s openly hostile towards unions would be a better option. 

Joe has been the most union supportive president in forever, why wouldn’t Harris keep that going? (Especially when Walz is super pro union)
I would really like to know when they did these polls because I’m pretty sure no one from my local was asked
Yes we’re a bunch of morons and now everyone knows. 
This is stupid.  They took a pole that shows Teamster's members overwhelmingly support the person who has when he was president, and wants to again if elected, to destroy their worker's rights.  This should not effect the Union's stance.  The Union should endorse the candidate who best represents worker's rights and union's rights, regardless of whatever other bullshit beliefs their members have.
They should be mailed a copy of the Project 2025 plan where it outlines what they want to do to unions.
It makes things a lot easier for them, 

“it’s not MY fault I’ve gone no where and my life is bad, it’s not my fault, it’s X, Y and Z, that way I can feel arrogant in my position and blame everyone else.”

Trump appealed to their victim complex
You’re gonna be forever waiting on that answer.
O’Brien tomorrow, probably: “60% of our members voted to eat corporate asshole, so I guess the union eats corporate ass now.” 

What a dickhead.
I’m more than aware that they’re being disingenuous, there’s never an actual reason.
Scab
It's the strangle hold the right has on blue collar labor man. The rank and file in trade unions are so right it's genuinely worrying. Every equipment operator, sparky, pipe fitter, and even elevator union brother or sister has been a republican.
We are our choices - Satre

I deny all responsibility - Trump
They're not. Somebody explained it to me.

This is about Union elections. It's mostly retirees who vote in them because actual working Unions guys are, well, busy working. 

So it's just a bunch of bitter, angry old men who no longer work for a living and don't really care about anything. And they decide who the union leaders will be. 

So the union leadership is appeasing those guys because otherwise the leadership loses the next election. 

All that said the younger guys have noticed the leadership kinda sucks right now, and they're waking up.",2024-09-18 21:41:46,"anger, disgust, surprise, neutral"
"Emails expose Election Officials’ plot to 'unleash chaos:' so-called ""Georgia Election Integrity Coalition"" including election officials from at least 5 counties show efforts by the group to portray ""fraud"" in the upcoming 2024 elections, despite no vote yet having been cast.",1fkauj7,3393,"Title: Emails expose Election Officials’ plot to 'unleash chaos:' so-called ""Georgia Election Integrity Coalition"" including election officials from at least 5 counties show efforts by the group to portray ""fraud"" in the upcoming 2024 elections, despite no vote yet having been cast.

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Them:  ""We know there's fraud!""

Everyone else:  ""the election hasnt happened yet""

Them:  ""it was in all these places there's more people than cows""
Perhaps they need to be reminded that it’s a felony to even conspire to commit fraud in the election process? And now that the feds have names… they can watch the plan unfold in realtime.
Yeah...

This isnt going to work.  

We know they are going to try this.  Independent election watchers know they are going to try this.  The DOJ knows they are going to try this.  Joe Biden and Kamala Harris know they are going to try this.  Everyone knows.

This isnt the first time someone has tried to get the people in charge of running the elections to manipulate them.  And we are not dealing with the best and brightest group of people here.  If the emails are already leaked you can guarantee that texts / messages / phone calls will be easily leaked and/or discovered as well.

Billy Bob and Mary Sue can claim fraud all they want and refuse to sign the papers but at the end of the day those papers will be signed by someone and they will be in a court room.
Yes, but SCOTUS will make themselves the trier of facts.
Could you imagine if you were married to one of these election officials or if they were your parent?  You’d be like, “Dad’s going to lose his pension and take out loans against the house to pay the legal bills.”
Is election interference a RICO eligible charge?
The only rational explanation is that cows offer some form of election security.
It terrifies me that all they need is dumb shit like this to spin the news for weeks. Haitians eating cats? Gonna run with it no matter how wrong it is proven to be. Massive election fraud? Just need some yokel in trump gear to claim illegal cat eating migrants are stuffing ballot boxes to tie up the courts in bullshit. 

When is our ""have you no shame"" moment?
See... what i tell ya! THE US SHOULD NOT LET HIM RUN EVER AGAIN. The time he's not being held accountable for ALL the wrong he's ever done gives him time to work out the 2020 mistakes. Im so glad people see this and know what he's trying to do!
Yes it is
SCOTUS would have to be ignored
Merrick Garland already had names, they were at his Federalist Society Meetings with him
Yeah. But he's doing it for a good person /s
Didn’t try hard enough.
Shh... just let it happen... *grabs popcorn*
The media needs to cover this non-stop so people don't forget it was planned when they start this shit. 

They really dropped the ball in 2020, the ""Red Mirage"" and Roger Stone's audio of their plan to falsey declare victory were known weeks in advance. 

It was covered, forgotten and then the media treated it as a surprise when it happened.
We won't have one precisely because they have no shame.
Because all people who have dads are five years old?
The issue is we KNOW the Supreme Court is in their pocket so it won’t matter how untrue it is.
Remember they own the supreme court, so they can say  to promote a potential president this is an official act so they can not be prosecuted.",2024-09-19 02:49:40,"anger, fear, disgust, sadness"
"I dreamt that Teddy Roosevelt came back to life as a zombie, and said, “It’s Bull-Moose time, baby!” Before winning the 2024 election in a landslide.",1fln3tm,3536,"Title: I dreamt that Teddy Roosevelt came back to life as a zombie, and said, “It’s Bull-Moose time, baby!” Before winning the 2024 election in a landslide.

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This is the exact thing he'd do if he came back to life.
Based I'd vote for him
He would run on the most aggressive green campaign the world has ever seen, just so he could hunt lions again.
I hope this is a prophecy
User flair award ""It’s Bull-Moose time, baby!""
Jeb!: Finally a Worthy Opponent our Battle will be Legendary!!!!
I dreamt that I beat Trump in the Presidential race because I demonstrated how well I could ride a roller-coaster, while Trump was unable to demonstrate his roller-coaster riding prowess, despite telling everyone he was the greatest roller-coaster rider to ever roller-coaster.

I'm not even American.
Easily the most qualified candidate in the last decade
WHAT'S UP, BITCHES?
this post feels like a Smiling Friends episode
he bull-moosed all over the mountainsides
I mean at this point in the election it's possible
Shit I’d vote Bull Moose in a heartbeat if this happened
I keep my rhymes pure, like my food and drugs!
I'm an American stud, and you're the British Elmer Fudd
Counterargument: someone can only be president for two terms in their lifetime, doesn’t mention what happens if they die and come back
Based
Honestly, a stale bag of potato chips could run the country better than he could.
Any necromancers reading, you know what to do.
I mean for Christ's sake look at that mug!",2024-09-20 21:29:04,"joy, surprise, excitement, humor, admiration, anticipation, neutral, disgust"
"If Harris wins the 2024 US Presidential Election, what happens to Project 2025?",1flu849,1168,"Title: If Harris wins the 2024 US Presidential Election, what happens to Project 2025?

Body: So much of Project 2025 relies on another Trump presidency that it makes me wonder what happens to it if (or hopefully when) he loses. If Harris wins, would it just be pushed out another four to eight years, depending on a potential second term for Harris? Is Trump the only one that could make it happen if he were elected or could a future republican serve the same purpose? Could it and it's creators come under investigation and be levied fines or punishment if not entirely dismantled?

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It becomes Project 2029.
Eventually one of these fascists is going to take the white house. Best we can hope for is to push it off until more old religious people die.
The Heritage foundation is well funded and it isn't going anywhere. 


They will not stop anytime soon.
This right here ☝️
This isn’t the panacea solution. What we know as “conservatism” is a cancer that will continue to spread in the US, at least, until it is eradicated through extermination of the core beliefs. Part of that is religion so I’m truly afraid that this will just be another chapter in the never-ending discourse of humanity.
It gets retooled.  Liberals need to learn it’s not like fairy tales, where we all live happily ever after, but more like superhero comics, where the villains always slink away for the sequel.
Look on the bright side, religion in all Western developed countries (including the US) is on the decline. More and more folks identify as non-religious and hopefully in a few generations only the most orthdox will believe in fairy tales..
I can't think of a more Orwellian name than Heritage Foundation. Exactly what kind of heritage are we making for daughters, granddaughters, and other-than straight male descendants?!
sounds even more terrifying
Well they do find a way to become worse every election cycle, so yes.
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This may be what is happening, but being non-religious doesn't automatically mean that you become a rational and liberal thinker. And this is why the religious and the conservatives are fighting so hard, they see their possible downfall and are kicking and screaming the whole way.
The heritage foundation does indeed seem to get worse with every election cycle
Yep. This is why Republicans are so desperate to fund religious schools via taxpayer money. They want unchallenged obedience over discourse and democracy. The threat of hellfire does a great job keeping “obedient” people in line.
I have read their stuff for years just to remind me how vile they are.


Their target audience is extremely gullible btw. They are some of the people behind putting Prager U content in public schools (has only been successful in the south), and also side funding moms for liberty etc.


They are quite literally anti American evil. We are lucky they are such clowns and that they don't understand the population.  


If they get smart we are going to be going through some things ....
This is what I always thought (Boomers dying off) but unfortunately there are alot of fascists in their 30s (Vance).  We need to stay vigilant
As an outsider and Aussie, I don't think it would ever be wise to let your guard down in future. Those religious extremists aren't going anywhere any time soon. Hopefully your younger generation of people won't be as fanatical as your present ones.


In Australia we kicked out our extremely religious politicians and our Evangelical Prime Minister at our last Federal election, and they have virtually disappeared off the scene, but you have soooo many religious extremists in America I say it'll take you a few election cycles to get rid of the majority of them. Keep them out and vote Blue 💙!!!
Liberals know
But they’re throwing out whatever they can to cling to power: mostly through cheating decisions made by their constituents. We see it with all of the denouncement of religion in anything legislative, abortion and marijuana referendums - they’re not accepting the will of the people if it does t align to their agendas and it’s amplifying.
They should be classified as a hate group",2024-09-21 03:42:24,"fear, anger, disgust, sadness, neutral"
Why is the 2024 election so much closer than 2020?,1fohvca,490,"Title: Why is the 2024 election so much closer than 2020?

Body: In 2020 I didn't pay much attention to the election; I was stressed about it so I did my part as a citizen and voted, but at no point was I invested in checking the polls or watching the debates or keeping up in general.

I was looking today at some of the historical polling from 2020 and it seems like at every point leading up to the election, it was pretty much a given that Biden had it in the bag.

Why now, even with Kamala leading the helm, does it seem like things are so much closer than they were four years ago? I'm 28, and in my entire memory, I've never seen the people around me so excited to vote. Hell, even my Mississippi parents are THRILLED to vote for Kamala. Why isn't that energy reflecting in the numbers?

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The raw polling is closer in '24 than it was in '20, and that has a lot to do with Democrats being the incumbent party this time out, in an economy that a lot of people are dissatisfied with (whatever the ""numbers"" suggest about it). 

So there are ""headwinds"" that a Democrat has to overcome. 

Also, Democrats changed their candidate very late in the campaign, and there was a *huge shift in enthusiasm* between the two candidates. Enthusiasm shift often means a voter turnout shift, but that's hard to track in polling.   Dems have a much stronger ""ground game"" than Republicans do this year, and *that's* hard to track.

But this country is always going to be very close in Presidential elections, because of how the electoral college works.
The 2020 presidential election was decided by only 43,000 votes spread over 3 states. I don't know how much closer you can get:

>When you look at the smallest popular vote shift needed to give Trump a victory, the 2020 election was close. Indeed, it was even closer than 2016. **If Trump picked up the right mix of 42,921 votes in Arizona (10,457), Georgia (11,779), and Wisconsin (20,682), the Electoral College would have been tied at 269 all. The House would have then decided the election.** Republicans will hold the majority of state delegations in the new Congress, and they undoubtedly would have chosen Trump. If Trump had also picked up the one electoral vote in Nebraska’s Second Congressional District, which he lost to Biden by 22,091 votes, he would have won the Electoral College outright.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/2020-election-numbers
Just to reinforce, we didn't even know the projected winner until 3.5 days after polls closed. 

2020 was a narrow, narrow win.
The fact that only 43,000 votes can make up the difference of 7,000,000 vote differential will never not be infuriating.
Or maybe the polling is closer this time because the polls are more accurate. The polling in 2020 underestimated Trump. The polls this time are close to the actual outcome in 2020. 

Of course, there's no way to know until we get the actual outcome.

All pollsters have to weigh their results based on the electorate they expect will show up. But that's mostly guesswork.
One thing to remember (that may or may not be relevant) is that Trump greatly overperformed his polling in 2020 (only the GA polls were accurate).

One interpretation of the closer polling this year could be that the pollsters have learned their lessons from 2016 and 2020 and have rebalanced their methodology to correct for Trump's tendency to overperform. Meaning the polls now may show a closer race only because the 2020 polling was so flawed. The final results certainly imply the race was far closer than polls indicated.

Alternatively, the polls could still be underestimating Trump - which would mean he's on track for a narrow win. It seems unimaginable - but then so was 2016. And the fact that he came so close in 2020 also defies logic. Clearly there is a very large percentage of the population to which he appeals - and we can't ignore that just because we don't understand it.

The best course of action is to assume the race is neck and neck regardless of the polling and continue to fight for every last vote.
I remember a headline (possibly from the onion) in those days after - Nation waits anxiously to see if candidate with 8 million more votes will win the election
God so much this. It's *so goddamned insane* that a tiny percentage of Americans basically decide the president *just because they live in sparsely populated areas.* The fact that  my vote counts way, way less than the votes of people in Iowa is enraging.
>Or maybe the polling is closer this time because the polls are more accurate. The polling in 2020 underestimated Trump. The polls this time are close to the actual outcome in 2020. 


We obviously won't know this for certain, but I think this answer hits close to the heart of OP's question.

2024 **seems** closer than 2020 seemed prior to the election, but that's because polls in 2020 underestimated  Trump's support, turning what looked like a comfortable Biden with into a nailbiter.

We do know that pollsters are **attempting** to correct for biases that resulted in the underestimation of Trump in 2020.  Whether they overcorrected, undercorrected, or got it right will only be known after election day.
They're unbelievably smug about it, convinced that it's proof the system 'works.' Yet anyone living in the 21st century with even a bit of common sense can see that the Electoral College is a relic designed to appease slave states, and it serves no meaningful purpose today.
In phone banking for Harris I have brought up the ""peer country"" comparison with several undecided voters. Nobody has any idea that of the G7 countries, our recovery has been the fastest and most robust. It has swayed some people when I remind them that Biden took over in the middle of a Pandemic and has spent the better part of his presidency trying to put things back together. That time was a blur I think. One guy just the other day was blaming Biden for the ""riots"" after George Floyd's murder. I politely reminded him Trump was president during that and the guy was like ""ohhh yeah I guess that's true."" People are very uninformed...
> in an economy that a lot of people are dissatisfied with 

Which is so stupid. None of them can articulate what exactly is so bad about it that is the fault of Harris, or Biden. And they CERTAINLY can’t explain how Trump would be better. Especially with his idiotic tariff plan. 
>One guy just the other day was blaming Biden for the ""riots"" after George Floyd's murder. I politely reminded him Trump was president during that and the guy was like ""ohhh yeah I guess that's true.""

Reminds me of people blaming Obama for the bailouts W gave to the banks.
That's a little off. Nobody officially called it until Saturday morning, but by early Wednesday morning it was very clear that Biden was on pace to win.  It would take a while to count and make sure, but the outstanding vote was pretty clearly enough to win it.  Nobody who tracks elections was all that confused about the winner on Wednesday.
Every sentence in this post is based on a version of reality I am not familiar with.
Polling was way, way off in 2020. Polls would have had you believe Biden would win by 5+ points in all the swing states. He was also polling ahead in Florida
I know, fricking ridiculous.  Abolish the electoral college!
OP is clearly referring to the pre-election polling, not the election results. Polling in 2020 was far better for Biden than the final results. It was also better for him at this point in the election that it currently is for Harris - which is alarming.

I SUSPECT that this year's polling will be more accurate than 2020. I'm guessing they've adjusted their methods to account for Trump's previous overperformance. Also, polls are pretty bad at estimating turnout - so if Harris can maintain enthusiasm and we can reach those problematic low propensity voters it's plausible she'll overperform expectations.  But we can't count on that. 

We really need to assume the election is neck and neck and resist the temptation to relax just because Harris is slightly ahead. Election forecasts seem to be converging on a 60% chance of victory - which is WAY too close for comfort, IMO. We need to keep donating, volunteering, and engaging with less politically active voters at every opportunity.
After the polling done since 2016, it feels like this year they're in a put up or shut up position. If they flub this one no one's going to bother with polls anymore.
My hot take is that polling is just as far off in the other direction and we’re going to be surprised by how poorly he does. 

In November 2020, he hadn’t done a coup, or been convicted of anything, or been indicted, and he was *drastically* more coherent than he is now.",2024-09-24 17:16:48,"confusion, stress, excitement, frustration, alarm, anticipation, skepticism, determination, surprise, concern, doubt, anger, hope"
Why is the 2024 Presidential Election so close?,1fp9ery,56,"Title: Why is the 2024 Presidential Election so close?

Body: Biden defeated Trump four years ago. But somehow now there’s a ~50% chance Trump comes back. How did this happen?

Away from the idea that this is incredibly rare in US politics, the Biden administration was supposed to be a “return to normalcy” after Trump. And it seemed like 2020 was a referendum on Trump which booted him out. Today, Kamala maintains a narrow lead over Trump, but if the polls are as off as they were in 2020, Trump wins decisively 



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Because conservatives do not have a red line for not supporting Trump. Liberals didn’t support Biden because he was too old, but Trump trying to overturn the 2020 election and saying migrants are eating cats and dogs is fine to conservatives. 

Who are you voting for this election? 
>...somehow now there’s a ~50% chance Trump comes back. How did this happen?

This seems to be a consistent pattern:

1. A Democrat wins the presidency.
2. Right-wing media manages to convince everyone that things would be better under a Republican.
3. A Republican wins the presidency.
4. Things go *absolutely terribly*.
5. Right-wing media *tries* to convince everyone that things would be better under a Republican; the people don't buy it, because they see how awful everything is.

...then loop back to 1 and repeat.
And if Trump wins, the next day we’ll suddenly have the greatest economy ever, though nothing has changed.
>Why is the 2024 Presidential Election so close?

>Biden defeated Trump four years ago. 

Narrowly. ""Biden defeated Trump"" narrowly.

Biden won Georgia, Arizona, & Wisconsin by [less than 1%](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Results_by_state); if the national popular vote had shifted 1% toward Trump, Trump would have won.
Honestly, if Trump had just done the basic - even if it was just putting his own stupid name on masks and sent them to everyone across the country and didn't go for the whole crazy conspiracy crap and had leaned into what should have been a ""RALLY AROUND THE FLAG"" moment... he would have won in a landslide. 

  
The fact Trump didn't win with such a golden opportunity to look like a halfway competent leader is just mind boggling.   
  
The fact so many Republicans keep staying with him is pathetically awful.
Historically, inflation is death for the incumbent part. Realistically, if Republicans were running a normal candidate and/or they acted somewhat normal the past few years, there would probably be no contest
Why do people think Trump actually has any policy besides reelection?
> Because conservatives do not have a red line for not supporting Trump.

Many college-educated whites who traditionally voted Republican are grossed out by Trump and have refused to support him. However, at the same time, many uneducated, blue collar whites see Trump as a brash, tough-talking outsider who'll upend the Washington elites and tear down the system that has screwed them over (spoiler alert: he didn't and won't.)

Many of these formerly Democratic Trump constituents are concentrated in the industrial Midwest states of Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, etc. All states that Obama won when he ran as an outsider.

So yes, Trump has lost the GOP much of its support, but he's also made up for it in other places.
Because we use a system designed for slave owners to override the will of the people aka the electoral college. 

Kamala will win by 5-10 million votes but can still lose the election cause 1500 people in a rural PA county voted for Trump.
Honestly crazy we almost got Trump 2.0 after COVID. Winning reelection during a recession is insane.
>Because conservatives do not have a red line for not supporting Trump.

Yes they do, and Trump has had to change his messaging a few times after realizing he said something they didn't want to hear (on issues like transgender people, abortion, gun control, and the vaccine).

If Trump started making sense, he'd cross conservatives' red line.
> And if Trump wins, the next day we’ll suddenly have the greatest economy ever, though nothing has changed.

...and Republican voters will back them up:

>The polling data doesn’t show that Americans think the economy stinks so much as it shows that *Republicans* say it stinks.

>It’s hard to know whether Republicans actually believe this. But it’s beyond doubt that partisanship plays a key role in what people tell pollsters about the economy.

>Some partisanship has always existed in polling about the economy: When there’s a Democrat in the White House, Democrats are more likely to say the economy is good than Republicans, and both sides change their opinions when the White House changes hands. But this difference has grown in recent years — and grown unequally. A pair of economists who examined decades of polling data concluded, “While both Republicans and Democrats view the economy more favorably when their party controls the White House, the magnitude of this partisan bias is roughly *two and a half times larger* for Republicans than for Democrats.”

>We can see how that is playing out right now. In the latest edition of the University of Michigan’s [Index of Consumer Sentiment](https://data.sca.isr.umich.edu/fetchdoc.php?docid=74201), the average Democratic score is over twice as high as the Republican score. But **what is most striking is just how awful Republicans say the economy is. Their index score for this month is significantly lower than the score they gave the economy in the depths of the Great Recession in 2008 and 2009, when the economy was bleeding hundreds of thousands of jobs every month.**

[[Source]](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/opinion/republican-economy-voters-bias-partisan-2024-rcna126194)
So if you think he has no ideology aside from his own ego, what issues to you agree with him on over Harris?
That furthers my point. They love the red lines he will cross that other politicians will not. 

Who are you voting for this election? 
My theory on that is that Democrats are naturally more inclined to think the economy stinks because we empathize with those who are getting the fuzzy end of the lollipop, and that’s always *somebody*.  It’s therefore easier for Republicans to be cheerleaders when their guy is in the White House.
The inflation problem is mostly due to Trump. Right now he’s running on tariffs, which would increase inflation and increase the costs for the consumers. Why should people vote to make inflation worse? 
Trump has no ideology aside from his own ego. He's also susceptible to flattery. Congressional Republicans know this about him, which is why they're always kissing his butt. They privately dislike Trump, but also know that publicly rendering obeisance will make him more amenable to supporting their legislative agenda.
Nothing is “close” unless the election officially starts in November.

Polls are not a definite indicator of exactly how the country will vote, there’s even been reports about oversampling Republicans in many polls (possibly to compensate for how inaccurate polls in 2016 were).

I’m not saying the polls are completely untrustworthy, but you need to take them with a grain of salt.
This is such a great point. Trump really could've been his best self and this country would love him. All these polls show me that people are just itching for a reason to vote for him. And yet here we are.
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Jennifer Lawrence shares reason behind endorsement for 2024 presidential election,1fqcdw0,1198,"Title: Jennifer Lawrence shares reason behind endorsement for 2024 presidential election

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Same reason you don’t want Dr. Nick Riviera operating on you, or elect the Tiger King to office.  Common fucking sense.
“I’m voting for Kamala Harris because I think she’s an amazing candidate and I know that she will do whatever she can to protect reproductive rights,” Lawrence said. “That’s the most important thing, is to not let somebody into the White House who is going to ban abortion.”
To be clear, I don’t think Biden/Harris is any way shape or form responsible for “genocide”. 

But why would voting for Trump be better in this case? He’s declared he’d support Israel even more.
What's the tl;dr on this?
Did you go to upstairs Hollywood medical school too?
Did she just say “duh”?
The red thing’s connected to the, blue thing! The blue thing’s connected to my wristwatch…uh oh.
To the general public endorsing and voting for a candidate are effectively the same thing. If she just said she was voting for Harris from the start i don't think it would have come up again
This just sounds like you’ve been fooled with a line to sink voter enthusiasm. The reality is that one of them will win. Trump will be worse for Palestinians. He’s said so himself.

You’re not just voting for one issue either. You have to also consider abortion, climate change, social program spending, Ukraine, gun control, the Supreme Court, if we really want a felon and literal rapist as our President, someone who tried to overthrow democracy. Someone whose former Vice President said should never be president again and that asked him to put himself above the Constitution.
I'm criticizing Roan for pissing and moaning about genocide when the options are ""person who advocates for a cease-fire"", and ""person who has said 'Israel should finish the job'"", and acts like it is some sort of hard choice to make.
I am so impressed and pleased by Jennifer's, and so many other artist's classy public endorsements of Harris.


Vote Blue for Me and You!
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I mean that's all that needs to be said.  The choice is that obvious, IMO.
So what’s the solution? Voting for nobody and then complain when trump gets elected?
“Well at least I didn’t vote for him” (as Trump quadruples Israel’s budget to destroy Palestine) /s
Trump wants to wipe them off the map. Get some perspective.
Respectfully your comment is pointless. 

""settled decades ago"" .... what? what planet are you living in? Abortion rights have been a point of contention and a goal for republicans since roe v wade was established. Please go and read local news. Please go and read about the effects of taking away the roe v wade safety net for women.

wth does climate change have to do with one's concerns, for their lives (especially after miscarriage when the fetus has to be aborted), when the same candidate that supports abortion is the most likely to enact climate  change. What does your comment add to the conversation when the other candidate (that rolled back abortion rights) is also the one that pulled back from the paris agreement and took the US a few steps back in their previously set carbon emmission/sustainable energy goals.
I am not disagreeing with you, but two people can extrapolate the same set of facts very differently. It's fine that she didn't want to endorse anyone, but like I said the general public doesn't distinguish a difference between enforcing and voting for. Endorsing is just the term famous people use to tell us plebes who they are voting for.
No the concern is that what she was saying sounds exactly like what caused 2016 to happen. People not voting for trump, but not committing to voting for Hillary. Voter apathy will make or break this election.
[removed]",2024-09-27 01:25:38,"anger, disgust, joy, neutral, anger, anger, neutral, anger, neutral, anger, anger, neutral, joy, anger, neutral, anger, anger, neutral, anger, anger, neutral, anger, anger, neutral, anger,"
Mueller investigator says Russia interfered in 2016 -- and in the 2024 election too,1fssf07,5922,"Title: Mueller investigator says Russia interfered in 2016 -- and in the 2024 election too

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There was a Russian asset in the FBI who was working on the investigation and ran interference for Trump. 

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/former-fbi-official-charles-mcgonigal-arrested-ties-russian/story?id=96609658
THAT'S WHAT THE MUELLER REPORT WAS ABOUT.

How many times do these people have to go back back to the press and say this?
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Bill Barr said it didn’t happen. We know it did. Barr said it first and loudest. People believed him
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Isn’t that disgusting and disturbing?
And Merrick Garland ignored it.  10 counts of Obstruction of Justice... and Garland let it all slide.
""Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instability and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke ""Afro-American racists"" to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should ""introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics"".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
Conservatives reading your comment and scrolling past.  No argument, no counter-point, no correction.  Nothing to say.

They all know.  You're reading this you know.  And you don't give a shit because you know you're part of the sickness.
Make treason punishable again
The only ones who deny that are MAGAts.
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If you're an American yes, if you're a Republican... not so much.
The only ones who didn’t “believe it” was Bill Barr & the Drumpies.
Why Mueller wasn’t more forceful in his conclusions and calling Barr the liar that he is, is beyond me.
That's because conservatives wholeheartedly embrace the, ""ends justify the means,"" winner-take-all mentality. If you can lie, cheat, and steal — all the while holding your opposition to higher standard — then you should. To them, they are at war and anything goes.

They don't care about ethics or truth. All they care about is power and winning that power.

If they had critical-thinking skills; if they had moral standards; if they did not engage in full-throated cognitive dissonance, then they wouldn't be conservative.
Because the press let Bill Barr get away with covering it up.
They literally throw around ""Russian collusion"" as a gotcha to show Trump has never done anything wrong. Then, won't even acknowledge the fact that election interference in 2020 was disproven over and over again. 

Completely detached from reality.
No shit, Captain Obvious. 
Literally won the election for Trump in 2016, along with help from Comey.  Comey threw his big last minute press conference and said he had no choice because he had no control over the  New York field office and they'd leak it if he didn't get in front of it.  Now we know the guy in the NY field office holding Comey's balls is literally a Russian agent.

I wonder if history will ultimately recognize the election of Trump as the most extensive and successful intelligence operation ever performed.
From a recent New Yorker on Russia interferring in subtle, but constant, ways with life/safety in Norway: (my bolding of the key sentence I wish GOP enabling Americans would wake up and understand)

""Most Western governments do not appear to think of themselves as being at war with Russia. Russia, however, is at war with the West. **“That’s for sure—we are saying that openly,” the Russian representative to the United Nations recently declared.** Most attacks are deliberately murky, and difficult to attribute. They are acts of so-called hybrid warfare, designed to subdue the enemy without fighting. The strategy appears to be to push the limits of what Russia can get away with—to subvert, to sabotage, to hack, to destabilize, to instill fear—and to paralyze Western governments by hinting at even more aggressive tactics. “They do it because they can do it,” an air-traffic controller told me, of an electronic-warfare attack that imperils civilian aviation. “Then they deny everything, and they threaten you, saying that, if you don’t stop accusing them of what you know they’re doing, bad things will happen to you.'""

[https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/09/16/russias-espionage-war-in-the-arctic](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/09/16/russias-espionage-war-in-the-arctic)",2024-09-30 10:37:02,"anger, disgust, fear, sadness"
CMV: Kamala Harris is going to lose the 2024 election,1ft325t,0,"Title: CMV: Kamala Harris is going to lose the 2024 election

Body: Earlier this year [I made a post](https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/18eg1a4/cmv_trump_is_going_to_win_in_2024/) to this same effect, but that was under the assumption that Joe Biden would remain the Presidential candidate. Needless to say, the fact that he withdrew from the race confirmed my belief that he was a weak candidate and would have lost against Donald Trump. And for a while-- up until early September-- I saw Kamala Harris as a much stronger candidate with a better chance of winning than Biden ever had. However, I now have extreme doubts that Harris is going to win, for a number of reasons listed below.

1.  Despite being allegedly more popular than Biden, Harris is polling within the margin of error of Biden in all of the swing states. Even a small polling error, which there is almost certain to be, would put Trump over the edge enough to win.
2. Harris is losing support compared to Biden in ""sun belt"" states such as Arizona and Georgia, meaning that any victory she does achieve would be much narrower than Biden's, with fewer backup options.
3. There are rumors of an upcoming Israeli offensive in Lebanon in the coming weeks, and if that happens, it could cause American public opinion to swing strongly against the Biden administration, and by extension Harris. 
4. The leader of a dock-worker's union in New York has announced his intention to go on strike in October, potentially sending the American economy into a tailspin and once again damaging the Biden administration's image at a crucial time. 

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> Despite being allegedly more popular than Biden, Harris is polling within the margin of error of Biden in all of the swing states. Even a small polling error, which there is almost certain to be, would put Trump over the edge enough to win.

Polling errors can go both ways. We have to work on the indicators that we have. Polling was off in 2016, 2020, and 2022. Are we going to see a hidden blue wave like two years ago? Are we going to see a Trump surge like 2016? Who knows. As I see it right now, Harris looks poised to win WI, MI, with tossups for GA, NC, and PA. Any one of those toss-up states and that's ballgame.

> Harris is losing support compared to Biden in ""sun belt"" states such as Arizona and Georgia, meaning that any victory she does achieve would be much narrower than Biden's, with fewer backup options.

True but she's polling far better in North Carolina which I think could be the key. Right now, for obvious reasons [Mark Robinson is polling ABYSMALLY in the governor's race in NC](https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/27/politics/mark-robinson-north-carolina-governor-poll/index.html), and trying to use Trump as his life raft. With the environmental turmoil happening in that state right now, what happens next is anyone's guess, but a flipped NC gives Kamala a path while still losing Arizona and Pennsylvania.

> There are rumors of an upcoming Israeli offensive in Lebanon in the coming weeks, and if that happens, it could cause American public opinion to swing strongly against the Biden administration, and by extension Harris.

I'm not sure about this. I don't know how many people would be swayed by this who haven't already been swayed by a full year of carnage in Palestine.

> The leader of a dock-worker's union in New York has announced his intention to go on strike in October, potentially sending the American economy into a tailspin and once again damaging the Biden administration's image at a crucial time.

Yeah this could fucking suck, and is the most compelling point on this list. Biden needs to get his ass on this. I think it would behoove Harris to subtly distance herself from Biden as much as possible without ruffling feathers on some of these things. He is clearly asleep at the wheel here. 

Also - i just filled up my tank for less than $3 a gallon yesterday. That fucking ruled!
For your first two points, I don't understand how a slight advantage to Harris that is within the margin of error would lead you to believe that Harris is definitely going to lose.  Can you explain your logic there?  Because to me the logical conclusion would be that the election could go either way, and Harris winning is well within the realm of possibility.

For your second two points, I don't think either of these issues are going to significantly alter Harris' base of support.  

Pro-Palestine folks are mostly very young people that are not high turn-out voters, whereas most older high turn-out voters are very pro-Israel.  

I also don't understand how you would spin a potential dock-worker's union strike to be blamed on the Biden administration.  Especially when everyone knows that the Democrats are far more pro-union than the Republicans, this has literally always been the case.
Here's the problem with your statement: you present no odds, you give an absolute.  I can tell you with 100% confidence that Harris DOES NOT have a 100% chance of losing.  Right now, any reasonable pollster/modeler/etc. is calling the election a tossup, which is about right.

There is a false narrative that ""the polls underestimate Trump"", which is nonsense.  In 2016, he slightly overperformed compared to the polls and eeked out a win with less than 100k votes in just the right states.  In 2020, he slightly underperformed in the polls, with a lot of prognosticators believing it's because he spent so much time telling people mail-in voter was a scam.

So let's check off your points for a good ole CMV :)

1. You say ""Harris is within the margin of error"" and then say ""there will surely be an error"" (and there will be), but you discount that ""what if the error is in Harris's favor?""  Harris right now is a very slight favorite everywhere that matters.  She also has more paths to victory than Trump.  Because of that, she is a slight favorite.
2. AZ and GA were a bit of a surprise for Biden (again, proving that Trump can/does underperform).  Harris does NOT HAVE TO win these.  Trump MUST win these or upset ""the blue wall"" again.  At the same time, Harris is threatening NC, which again is a state that Trump must win.
3. The impact of this is unclear along with the likelihood of it happening.
4. Same with 3.

The bottom line is we have a deeply polarized electorate and this election is going to come down to 1 thing: turn out of the party faithful.  To say ""Harris is going to lose"" is just as incorrect as saying ""Trump is going to lose"".

It's a coin toss that right now slightly favors Harris.  The most likely outcome is Harris inches in with a few key swing state votes while Democrats lose the senate, creating a gridlocked government.
I mean ultimately this is a view that can only be truly proven right or wrong by what people do in 34 days, all the rest is debating tea leaves. 

That said, what is your data supporting she is losing support in AZ and GA? Five thirty eight still showing tied. Been showing tied for awhile. 

Why would another Israeli offensive change anything in the political landscape in the US? Leftists are pissed about Israel already, they can get doubly pissed I guess but their vote is already baked into polling. Why would another offensive going to change the dynamics of people that care a lot already vs people that haven't really cared so far?

Otherwise an economy crippling strike, if that happens, would be a black swan event. Not much I can do about it. Last month it was going to be a government shutdown that would cripple her chances, now that is resolved past the elections.
In normal circumstances, maybe that could be significant.  These are not normal circumstances.  Much of Harris' base are never-Trumpers that don't want to re-elect the man that tried to fraudulently overturn an election.  That's why people accepted Harris taking the nomination in the first place, making very little fuss over the lack of a primary.  There is a strong feeling that literally any Democrat warm-body is preferable to Trump's madness.
1) polls dont vote

2) where? For what? I haven’t seen any lost support, Ive seen her gaining

3) it would be INSANE to me if people chose trump over Kamala on this issue. He would be 1000000% worse than her on this issue 

4) there’s gonna be lots of political games happening now til the finish line. It’s just games. Just like Trump killing the border bill. They’re desperate, they’ll do whatever they can to try to tarnish her
Pretty obvious to me that Trump will lose. He lost in 2020. He's only hemorrhaged supporters since then. People iffy on Biden are ready to vote for Kamala and are more energized. Trump doesn't have the 2016 energy he used to.
Polling was actually pretty much spot on in 2022. People like OP just doubted that the polls were that good for Democrats and so the narrative was that they would surely lose in a landslide despite good polls.  

The thought process being that of course the polls may look close but when you factor in the automatic -5 Democrats alway underperform by then its a GOP landslide! When in reality it really was just a close election. 

2012 is a better analog for the Democrats overperforming. Romney was tied/leading Obama at this point in the election and Obama blew his back out on the night. The election was called at like 10pm. 
>Why would another offensive going to change the dynamics of people that care a lot already vs people that haven't really cared so far?

Exactly this. No one who cares about this kind of stuff is like ""I can overlook the Palestine stuff, but Lebanon is a bridge too far!""
Plenty of stuff gets artificially fucked with around election season. Do you think the dock workers are striking now because they want to go leaf peeping?
Pollsters constantly adjust their methodologies. In 2016 they were way off. In 2020 they were off. Who's to say they aren't off again, but in a different direction?
**Δ**, on the Israel point at least. You're right that most Americans have already decided what they think of Israel and a new offensive wouldn't necessarily change anyone's minds.
Thats my thought as well. Trump seems to gain some support among people who are very upset with the current economic status quo but everytime he opens his mouth, he distances supporters. 
Your entire point number one boils down to ""if the polls are wrong then the polls show her losing."" If you're using polling data at all, then your view should be in favor of the candidate leading in the polls.
Kamala will win in a landslide. Since Donald Trump has lost and since January 6th polls have been SO off that i don’t even know why people pay them any mind. There was no red wave and Democrats have been over performing the polls EVERYWHERE since just look at the midterms, so the polls are literally shit. Every special election seems to be a D win, and they’ve taken back multiple state houses and senates and even formed trifectas in one or two states. Click bait media tossed headlines to make it seem close. I’m not getting complacent but you gotta look at the facts we’ve been presented so far. 

I think people are severely underestimating Roe V Wade. Women have fought their entire lives for the freedoms the Republican Party are now trying to strip. Women have dedicated their LIVES to making sure they have rights, i don’t see them just throwing in the towel, if anything i see them more angry and energized than ever and their bringing their husbands and girl dads. 

There’s been an influx of new registered voters among gen Z and young black females. Up like 165% compared to 2020. 

Twitter is not the real world. 

Combine just these points I’ve made and I don’t see how it’s possible that Trump comes back from a loss in 2020 and wins, especially after Jan 6. Just look at all the prominent Republicans voting for Harris. I think the majority of people are done with the bullshit and redneck MAGA and just want a sense of normalcy. I think it’s gonna be a shocking historical night for Democrats and I hope I’m right. 

My prediction is Texas goes blue, Harris wins NC, WI, AZ, GA, MI and PA.
The national generic vote was mostly on point, but the republicans mildly outperformed the polling average. It was an underperformance from the massive outperformance expected after 2016 and 2020, but democrats didn’t outrun polls meaningfully in 2022. 

Assuming that we use RCP average as a baseline. And if Trump matches RCP averages perfectly, he wins.
Fair point, and admittedly one I had not considered. **Δ**
It's important to note his voters had a greater death toll among Covid deaths, and he's relied on significantly the votes of Baby Boomers, who are hitting a demographic cliff. Based on SSA actuarial tables, about 25% of men Trump's age who were alive in 2016 have since died. Another 25% are expected to die between now and 2028.
Ultimately, this election is going to be unpredictable. After covid, we had massive migration amongst various states, and many states that go red may actually swing into purple territory. Polling data can be bonkers. We'll have to wait and see, but I think Harris has a pretty decent chance of winning.
Not a swiftie fan, but if Taylor swift and her millions of loyal fans vote for Kamala because their leader did and she wins- I will buy every single one of her albums 😅😅",2024-09-30 18:40:34,"doubt, confidence, anger, surprise, neutral, hope, uncertainty, frustration, anticipation, excitement, skepticism, determination, concern, optimism, confusion, relief, disbelief, annoyance, amusement, agreement, agreement, agreement, agreement, agreement,"
Trump demands 'equal opportunity' to answer Jack Smith's immunity brief — after 2024 election,1fvbagc,3386,"Title: Trump demands 'equal opportunity' to answer Jack Smith's immunity brief — after 2024 election

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I take that to mean they have no response they think is substantive enough to undo the pr damage.   best they've got is another vapourware pretence that ""we'll reveal it ... later"".  
Not only that, it’s precisely what Smith’s filing says Trump and co did over and over in November and December 2020.

The filing sets out the evidence of how Trump’s people - usually Giuliani, sometimes with Trump - and met with election officials, governors etc and demanded that they throw the election result for Trump based on one or more of their wild conspiracy theories.  When asked if they can back up their claims, they’d say “we’ll get it to you”.  They never did.
You'd think he'd want to get a rebuttal out there before people voted...
You can do that.  AT TRIAL
This mode of argument is what was used in just about every court case regarding the 2020 election. Trump and his cohorts screamed fraud then sent his lawyers to plead before judges. However, when the judge would ask the attorney who was obviously under oath if he was alleging fraud or had evidence for it, in every single case the lawyer(s) admitted they had found no evidence of fraud. In fact, I think Giuliani and possibly other attorneys were fined by at least one judge for essentially wasting his time with frivolous lawsuits.
Under oath
His voters are 110% ok with committing crimes to reach their goals. It’s part of the maga platform.
He had the opportunity to not crime, he declined.
and a few disbarments.  It's crazy how many people threw away their careers and reputations for this guy.
It’s so gross that they call him “President Trump” in these filings. Literally the first word of the motion is a lie.
Or in Trumps words, a *”refuttal”*
Numerous fines for numerous attorneys to include sanctions on some of the lawyers.
[7-page filing](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.253.0_1.pdf)
They also held ""evidenciery"" hearings in numerous states that were televised and included only republican lawmakers, where they presented their crazy conspiracy theory's as fact without allowing anyone to refute anything.  At least 1 of these was held in a hotel.  Somehow, people don't realise that's not how the government or the law works.
They have the concept of a response.
You just know that's been a top priority instruction from **Former** PINO 🍄rump, that he must be addressed as such. 

Passed down the line from his fake Oval Office at Mar-a-Lardo.
jon stewart did a whole bit on that, how what they said in rallies was opposite of what was said in court, and somehow all of his voters still repeat what's said at rallies and don't acknowledge anything else.
Seems a bit unfair to make lying a criminal offense, as it will severely limit his defense options.
As long as there will be no fact checking.
Or a “refartal”, if you will.",2024-10-03 16:02:42,"anger, disgust, surprise, neutral"
This might be the dumbest reason I have EVER heard of in the 2024 election season for voting for former president and current candidate Donald Trump....,1fwo4vw,3003,"Title: This might be the dumbest reason I have EVER heard of in the 2024 election season for voting for former president and current candidate Donald Trump....

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They can’t just say it’s their skin tone, it’s current year.
What??
So in other words, they can't explain why they're voting Trump because they don't have a good reason
So did I. Had to mow my parents’ big ass double lot twice-a-week in the humid Ohio summer, sometimes _after_ football practice. This person can suck my dick and balls.
Sure they do. It’s cuz they’re white. They just can’t say that part out loud.
It's supposed to be a dig at Harris' ""I was raised in a middle class family"" story. Right wing Facebook is full of this shit. It's exhausting.
I would rather vote for a candidate with a natural skin tone. Orange skin is weird af.
At the debate Kamala was asked a question about the current state of the economy, she started by saying she was born into a middle class family, so she has past experience with the economy. But they never include that part. 

trump was asked about job security in America and he responded with ""I won man of the year and the fake news said it never happened!""
Sounds like something Vance would say in response to a completely unrelated question.
What kind of donuts do you want?

Well my grandma, who raised me because my mother was a drug addict, always made me mow the lawn in our middle class home before I could have donuts.
I'm as white as a ghost, also a registered voter who is NOT voting Trump and never would!
It's white identity politics.
That still doesnt lower the ""I'm dumb as fuck"" scale to anyone.
Kamala was asked ""what are you going to do about the economy"" in an interview and she went on for about a minute about how she was born into a middle class family and how big of a deal it was when her family was able to afford a house for her family to move into.  She then went on to explain how she will be providing 25k for first time homebuyers and 50k for businesses and whatnot, but the right wing media bubble didn't finish her answer.  They just showed her talking about her upbringing and called it a ""non answer"" and use it like a gotcha that she has no plan.  That's why it became a talking point.  It's ""she has no plan, she just dodges questions"" while actively not finishing the quote
but why are conservative repeating ""I was born into a middle class family"". Are they saying she isn't? 

Wasn't she born into a middle class family? A middle class we don't see today because wealth has been soaked up by the rich and ""middle class"" is now considered upper class in comparison? 

I say all of this because I FUCKING SEE this ""I was born in a middle class family"" EVERY-FUCKING-WHERE on my conservative family facebook. I am absolutely tired of it and wonder what greater point they are making when you compare Trump's rich ass
Same friend, but they're using coded language indicating that middle class whites should be voting for Trump because it's in their best interests. Even if they were right (they're not) it's pretty messed up to want to marginalize other people in order to make your life better.
Vance literally started the VP debate with ""i was raised in a working class family.."" then proceeded to talk about himself for half of his answering time..
They must have missed the VP debate where every question Vance answered started with talking about being from a middle class family with a drug addicted mother
As someone who is literally ghost white, this is just so bizarre to me.
As someone who is literally mocha black and raised in a middle class family with a pristine lawn, I’m equally as confused.",2024-10-05 11:20:25,"anger, disgust, confusion, exhaustion"
"You woke up in November 2024 and saw these election results, what are your thoughts?",1fxsr4k,1034,"Title: You woke up in November 2024 and saw these election results, what are your thoughts?

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“What just happened”
Rew Rork and Blorida absolutely fucking with everyone's minds.
“Yeah but NEW YORK? NEW YORK!? ONE OF THE MOST BLUE STATES OUT THERE!?!?
Giant meteor hit New York City, Tsunami sinks Long Island, Niagara Falls expands and engulfs Buffalo, Rochester overtaken by kaiju, aliens invade and destroy Albany, Syracuse frozen into brittle ice by blizzards and shattered
I’d assume I woke up in a parallel universe, if Alaska and TEXAS went blue and NEW YORK went red?
Idk.  Blorids isn’t as weird as Blexas.
At least Kamala Harris won
Rochestarian here - realistic enough
“Who would win this hypothetical war”
I'd ask to see the manager....

Texas blue and new york red? Something is rotten in the state of denmark
Latinos tend to be to the economic left and social right of Caucasians. (Except for the Cuban exiles, they basically think that public fire departments are literally communism).
Latinos are largely more conservative than caucasians, and texas being a border state  doesn’t help that al all
How many lawsuits will come out of Texas alone. Biggest crying and bitching about Texas going blue.
Alaskan here, can confirm this would be VERY confusing to see
Lol i do wonder is there would be a similar reaction for NY going red though
Texas is a Latino state now. There must be a possibility of it flipping.
A perpetual state of confusion that New York voted for Trump.
Wait--  So you actually put real thought into that map?!

  
Why the hell would Texas go blue in a national environment where Trump would win New York?!
I'd move to Canada, because whatever made New York go red, and Texas go blue, is obviously a danger to me and my dog.
if it happened like this... I would question some things.   
No way in hell is texas or florida flipping blue.",2024-10-06 22:30:08,"surprise, confusion, disbelief, humor, frustration, curiosity, concern, skepticism"
The 2024 US election if states with recreational weed voted blue and everyone else voted red,1fynu1d,4353,"Title: The 2024 US election if states with recreational weed voted blue and everyone else voted red

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This election map actually seems plausible ngl
The only big outlier is Missouri. Frankly not sure how they ended up legalizing it.
hawaii being red is a big outlier
Wait how did Missouri of all states get legal weed?
statewide ballot initiative
iirc Hawai’i, which is almost always blue, will not ever legalize weed because the Japanese tourist industry is a huge part of their economy and Japan would likely dissuade it’s citizens from vacationing there is something like weed is easily accessible. On a similar note, gun ranges are a huge hit among foreigners.
Oklahoma has medical but not recreational weed legalized. The state voted recreational down in the last election.
My impression is a lot would be different in red states if issues were actually put to voters
Oklahoma should be blue right?
I live in Hawaii, there is a large amount of Japanese tourists, but a massive majority is still domestic tourism. Also most people who want to either smoke weed anyways(from what I’ve seen) or use the medical use card(which is also common apparently). I’ve also heard of some people smuggling edibles from other states or even amazon.
Ballot initiative. Tbh i think Montana is the bigger outlier.
Very true, abortion ballot initiative in Kansas is another example.
Place is crazy. There is a weed shop on every corner.
Reasonable take, however, it's a fucking map sub. Also, you're bri\*ish
Seriously what in Earth is “live free or die” New Hampshire doing?!?!
MO resident here. Because we all want the same things, it's just that a bunch of morons keep voting for Republicans despite them constantly voting against their best interests
Best indicator of election results.
My uncle actually ran a tour guide group for Japanese folks coming to New Orleans and their biggest draw was shooting ranges for crazy weapons and helicopter rides. 


They love that stuff.
Not from Missouri but I live next door. From what I've seen, the people of Missouri *love* voting *for* progressive policies but would probably put Hitler in office if you put an R next to his name on the ballot. See: minimum wage, weed legalization, maybe abortion too this fall.
idk, montana from what i understand has something of a libertarian streak",2024-10-08 01:03:46,"neutral, surprise, anger, joy, neutral, neutral, joy, neutral, neutral, joy, neutral, anger, joy, joy, neutral, joy, joy, neutral, joy, neutral, joy, neutral, joy, joy, joy,"
X overtakes WeChat in spreading Chinese disinformation about the 2024 US presidential elections ,1fz3or2,3303,"Title: X overtakes WeChat in spreading Chinese disinformation about the 2024 US presidential elections 

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The five main talking points of Chinese disinformation:

1. Trump is the only savior of the US, and today’s problems are because he is not in charge

2. The “extreme left” policies of Biden, Harris, and the Democratic Party are destroying the US and bringing it closer to communism

3. The Biden administration opened the border to allow undocumented immigrants to vote for Democrats in the 2024 election

4. Leftists are masterminds behind various world events and natural disasters and are playing a long game to control everything

5. The 2020 election was stolen from Trump and widespread voter fraud, especially involving noncitizens, may lead to another stolen election in 2024.

Mix in these talking points with some AI-generated images, classic racism and misogyny, and you've got yourself a nice disruption campaign.

Thanks Elon, for making the world an objectively worse place, this is the legacy that'll outlive you.
Because Trump can be bought. Look at the patents granted to Ivanka and Trumps Chinese bank account. Flatter the fat man and pretend like hes a genius to his face and you'll get way more than any normal kind of diplomacy will get you.
Yes. Both China and Russia have an openly vested interest in diminishing the United State's power and influence on a global scale. An administration full of corrupt narcissists all simultaneously trying to figure out how to skim your political process for as much cash as possible leads directly to that. See Russia spending the last 40 years being so hollowed out by corruption that they can't even properly invade Ukraine for a topical real world example. 

If things get worse here, things get better for Russia and China. That's how adversarial relationships work. It's why they've been investing in bot farms since before the public even knew that was a thing. It's not new, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's what the Cold War turned into.
I’m confused why Chinese disinformation is so pro-Trump — is the goal just to make the US’s government fail and collapse or something?
Ahhh no wonder Elon is openly supporting Trump.

He's got to keep those foreign funds rolling in.

What better way than keeping Trump in power indefinitely?
> 2 is funny considering China is actually a communist country

its not the CCP that's spreading those narratives. redditors are conflating chinese language disinfo from right wing outlets like the falun gong with the narratives that the CCP officially endorses.
And trump has noteably withdrawn or stated he's wanted to withdraw from global alliances supported by Democrats that combat Russia and China strategically and economically.
All the talking points my conservative friends bitch and moan about... It’s working 🤦🏻
Trump's ""10 to 20 percent terrifs"" are going to wreck our economy. We import all of our shit. The stuff we do manufacturer here, they get their raw materials elsewhere. It'll make us an incredibly uncompetitive place to do business
#2 is funny considering China is actually a communist country
This is a really misleading headline. The article is talking about propaganda in the Chinese language that targets Chinese Americans, not propaganda from the Chinese government.
Chinese language media ≠ CCP media. There is definitely overlap obviously, but there's also a large diaspora of Chinese speakers throughout the US, many of whom aren't associated with Mainland China and/or aligned with the CCP.

My family is from mainland China and are very anti-CCP for our own reasons, but we noticed a lot of pro-TW/HK/Falun-gong groups (which are also anti-CCP obviously) we get exposed to via social media algorithms also end up having media that is very pro-Trump ultra-rightwing Chinese language Fox News-like, and parrot a lot of the associated talking points when it comes to US politics.
“I’m fucked if Trump loses. *awkward forced laugh*”

- Elon during Tucker interview
The Chinese absolutely will spread those narratives if it means it gets easily-bought-out Trump into power.
They can drive this country into chaos. Have Trump start a trade war that reignites out of control inflation, steal state secrets that reveal all sorts of national security secrets (spy networks, nuclear and other military plans, etc), have Trump fire vast swaths of competent federal workers, judges, and military leaders and install his incompetent cronies. 

It’s honestly winning a war against us without firing a single shot. 

Of course Trump would pull us out of Ukraine and ignore the Middle East. We’d abandon Taiwan and Europe would be isolated from its strongest ally. 

Technology, advanced research, AI advances, and advanced military technologies are all at risk of being given away to our mortal enemies. 

Add to that the Christo-Fascist, anti-woman, racist police state that’s a real possibility and you have a fucking nightmare future hanging in the balance.
Happened last time, remember when trump drove up prices and ruined small businesses because he taxed basic supplies like steel and groceries?
New research indicates that X, formerly Twitter, has overtaken WeChat, the most popular Chinese social media platform, in spreading disinformation about the US presidential elections and policies. 

The group Chinese for Affirmative Action (CAA), a US-based non-profit organization, released a report on August 26, 2024, called “Conspiracy Theories, Lies, & A.I.” which explored how right-wing disinformation in the Chinese American community is amplifying hate speech ahead of the November 2024 election. Researchers found much of the disinformation released over the past year is meant to stoke fears of communism, cast doubt on the integrity of the US elections, and laud former US President Donald Trump, the 2024 Republican presidential candidate. 

The 2024 US Presidential Elections will be held on November 5th. Ahead of the elections, news has consistently emerged about foreign political influence in American politics, in particular Russia, Iran, and China, through disinformation operations. Last month, the US government accused Russia of running a disinformation campaign to mislead US voters and interfere in the elections. Researchers from Human Rights Watch also observed that communities of color are more vulnerable to disinformation operations due to their shared traumatic experiences. In addition, as many immigrants obtain information in languages other than English, they are often subjected to mistranslations of news.
Because it's not actually Chinese disinformation/conspiracy theories but rather Chinese American disinformation/conspiracy theories. Go read the report the article cites yourself. It's the same talking points used by right wing outlets but just translated into Chinese to lobby for the immigrant vote.
They have even less to gain from someone who can't be paid in exchange for classified documents or favors. I would trust the Kamala administration to defend Taiwan over Trump's backstabbing ass any day, and I'm sure Taiwan at large feels the same way regarding the man who already betrayed the Kurds.

Trump has already had damning interaction with Chinese businessmen and has proven that he sells himself to the highest bidder and the greatest flatterer, and propelling him to the forefront has the added benefit of creating even more political instability and civil unrest in the US. The choice for China is quite clear, and boy do they like to play god.
Biden is also waging a trade war, he's just doing it competently. Instead of trying to 1v1 China in a world economy, he's bringing friends.",2024-10-08 16:15:14,"anger, fear, disgust, surprise, neutral"
More than 100M people of faith could sit out 2024 election: study.,1g0kxln,1737,"Title: More than 100M people of faith could sit out 2024 election: study.

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If we have learned nothing else from 2016, this should be the takeaway. Never get complacent. Always keep fighting.
158.4M people voted in 2020. Are they seriously suggesting 100M of those won’t vote and only 58.4M will vote? Unless a lot of them didn’t vote in 2020 either. Seems off…
That is exactly what it sounds like. I live in the bible belt and I can assure everyone that the bible thumpers WILL vote and vote republican. We can win IF we turn out and vote.
Yeah, I regret not voting in all the previous elections. Granted, I was a resident of CA and typically it always aligned with who I wanted. Now I live in Idaho and it will probably stay red but I want Kamala Harris to have as many votes as possible to make a point.
Awesome! And don't forget to vote Yes on Idaho's Proposition 1 that will allow ranked choice voting!
>It's low hanging fruit for pastors as they try to motivate those congregants to carry out their civic duty and honor God through their influence for things that matter in our culture.

Sounds like an establishment clause violation...
Just check out Fox or Newsmax.

These people honestly believe they are on a holy crusade.  They will literally cut themselves and vote with their blood if required to do so.

Anything implying otherwise is 100% - in the inimitable words of Alex Jones - a false flag op.
Yep. The evangelical right has an over 90% voter turnout rate. If liberals voted like that we'd never see a Republican majority again.
Bull. Shit. Christians bearing false witness. Again.
Yeah, they're just talking about all the people who didn't vote in 2020 either.  If 158.4M people voted in 2020, then approximately 180M people didn't vote.  Some of those are children or atheists, so that leaves about 100M ""people of faith"" who could have voted but didn't.

This article is just doing the same thing that we always do when we say that if all young people voted, we'd win in a landslide.  It's true but useless information.
I just saw a sign about it in Mountain Home, along with all the Trump signs everywhere. It said something like ranked choice is confusing and expensive and to vote no… its crazy how easy it is to get people to vote against their own interests.
Religious people may be gullible, but they are the worst kind of gullible: Gullible and MOTIVATED BY THE PROMISE OF MYTHOLOGICAL ETERNAL REWARD. 


This is terrible, propagandist clickbait.
VOTE VOTE VOTE
I just saw a billboard in Post Falls that reads ""Don't Californicate Idaho! Vote No on Prop 1!""

Morons.
Yeah, what? Sure, they *could* sit it out. They *could* all be struck by lightning, or be taken up by the rapture. Doesn’t change a thing what they could do. Only thing that matters is what *we* do.
you mean the evangelical wrong lol
And you just know if it passes, Republicans will block it anyway.
It's probably true, though it is definitely misleading, and is based on the sliding definition of ""people of faith"".


When they need big numbers (""America is a Christian nation""), they count everyone who is even nominally Christian. When they need small numbers (""Christians are oppressed""), they count everyone who shares their religious-political agenda.


So there probably are millions of ""Christians"" (i.e. people who show up to church occasionally, and say they go a lot more often, and claim they don't sleep through it) who aren't voting, and those people are the mainstream American disinterested voters who ""forget"" to vote every election cycle.
Depends how they word it. Going out and voting, fine. Going out and voting for the orange god king instead of the baby-eating crazy woman who's spitting in the face of god by daring to try leading a country instead of being in the kitchen where god intended her to be, less fine.",2024-10-10 15:05:24,"anger, disgust, fear, neutral"
Democrats in Pa. approach 2024 election with slimmest voter registration advantage in decades,1g2cpwh,1612,"Title: Democrats in Pa. approach 2024 election with slimmest voter registration advantage in decades

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I’m a PA Republican and I voted for Harris!
Not from PA but found this interesting about the comments:

The person claiming to be a Republican voting for Harris has recent comment history defending McCormick and getting heavily down voted for it leading me to believe that they genuinely are a Republican voting for Harris. 

Of the two people I found in the comments claiming to be dems voting for Trump, I went through their comment history and found no evidence of them agreeing with any dem policies. Both have transphobic comments. One called Michelle Obama “big mike” and the other has comments bullying young trans people. Both are active in a Jordan Peterson memes sub, both talk about leftists in a negative manner and both have pro Trump comments pre dating Harris joining the race. Really, both are indistinguishable from a hardcore maga account leading me to believe they are not genuinely dems voting for Trump.

Also, both have comments rating barely legal girls on attractiveness and one commented on a post about rating a 16 year old based on attractiveness.
I know a lot of people in my family (registered republican) who aren’t even voting so the number of registered doesn’t matter, and democrats I know are DEF voting bc we don’t want another Hillary situation to happen. Here’s hoping they stick to not voting 🤞
Thank you for your service to democracy! 🫡
I'm an AZ republican and I voted straight blue. I mean, Keri Lake? Foooooooooook no.
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I’m a newly registered democrat and first time voter. I wish I had voted sooner I already voted entirely blue.
Conservative against Trump checking in here too

May we rid Trump from the GOP by giving him a big L
Thank you for your service to authoritarianism! 🫡
Thanks for investigatory diligence
It's much more about voter turnout which so far is showing really good signs in early mail especially since we aren't in the middle of a pandemic and there is a noticeable shift back to in person election day voting expected. If the numbers continue we might get a larger turnout than 2020 which would favor democrats. That stands on a lot of ifs but turnout always matters more than registration.
Hillary Clinton is the reason we have Donald Trump. Hillary was the antichrist to Republicans and she was a greasy candidate for a lot of democrats. People were sick and tired of the same old 'guaranteed' candidate.   Donald Trump was the brick thru the window candidate in 2016.  He's still riding on that unhinged, no rules candidate.   Except he barely won in 2016, was soundly defeated in 2020 (facts don't care about your feelings on this), and is highly unpopular in 2024.  The only reason this race seems close is because the media wants it to be.
I don't know many people from PA, but the ones I do know who previously voted for Trump are sitting this election out. PA is gonna be blue again
Thank you for choosing country before party. I hope your party cleans house in the next few years. 
Yeah, there was a guy in another chat saying he was a Democrat and met Erin McClelland at a wedding and that she's a snob, and despite being a life long dem he'll vote for Garrity. 

He was upvoted by 20

The entirety of his comment history was defending Jan 6th and trump. 

People lie on the internet.
it flabbergasts me the amount of times I've seen right wing nut jobs and just the most racist, degenerate misogynistic people cross streams on social media. I know Hate is their forte... and it saddens me
Is that what he said?
Can confirm. Both husband and I are Libertarians voting for Kamala et al...
Only if he appeals to independents and pulls a few Democrats. 

This independent will not be voting for the guy who spreads lies when he loses elections, steals/hides classified documents, bribes foreign powers to dig dirt on US citizens, insults half our population, mocks military service, and borrows rhetorical devices from Hitler.
I can also imagine being stupid enough not to vote for Hillary Clinton.",2024-10-12 23:31:14,"anger, disgust, surprise, joy, neutral, sadness"
Why is the 2024 Election so close?,1g2tw6u,599,"Title: Why is the 2024 Election so close?

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I have no idea if I’m posting here correctly or if you’re even allowed to post about the 2024 election. I’m sure this may even get posted here every day?

But I’m genuinely asking: how is it possible that the USA election is so close? 

To me, the situation could not be more clear that Americans must vote for Kamala Harris in order to ensure America remains a democracy and people have a say in who their leaders are, and it doesn’t even feel like that’s an opinion anymore, it feels like it’s a fact. 

Trump tried to overturn the 2020 election. He led a violent mob of his supporters on January 6th 2021 to the Capitol to stop the certification of the 2020 election. Both him and JD Vance refuse to admit that Joe Biden clearly, concisely, and legally won the 2020 election. These are undeniable facts. Do the American people not know this??

I am even willing to admit that the Democrats may not even have the best policy positions for the American people and and Republicans might be better for America and the world on foreign policy. But when you conflate that with who is leading the Republican Party, shouldn’t it not even matter whose policy positions are better?? 

What prompted this was watching Meet the Press this morning and seeing them talk about how this election is basically tied, and I just do not understand how that is!!

So with all of this being said, why is the US election close? How is it that every American has not seen the overwhelming facts and evidence that I have seen? 

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The majority, that is. Don't forget all of us blues in red state cities.
It's not.

Pollsters are still weighting their surveys using the data from the last election, which was pre-January 6th and obviously, pre-Kamala as the nominee.

Democrats have defied election predictions for the last few cycles (thank you, Dobbs decision) and will continue to do so. Even before Dobbs, when Democrats turn out (and they will), they win.

(Yay! I triggered a Trumper and got a downvote!)
We appreciate you! Holding up your states while surrounded by crazies!
Trump's voters believe his presidency will be good for them.  That's it.  They don't feel that the Democrats have their best interest at heart, and Trump and the Republicans have convinced them they would do better.  Threatening democracy doesn't matter to them because they don't feel they've done well under it.
I learned that during COVID.  I’m literally surrounded by really really stupid people who have no clue how stupid they are.   Didn’t anyone pay attention in their high school health and biology classes? I attribute their stupidity to teenage use of weed and alcohol while their brains were still being formed.
This.

Plus pollsters have talked about being wrong on Trump  multiple times now. Most traditional polls were always under what he actually got.

Ive read that some have actually added in a Trump weight just to try and make it closer.

So hes basically tied in polls that are designed to give him an advantage.
Russia - ""smoke and mirrors"" - No, it wasn't. Trump's Attorney General fundamentally mischaracterised the conclusions of the report and refused to make the full text public. The writers of the report have said very, very clearly that the official conclusion does not reflect their findings.

Vaccine - ""Sold as a surefire fix"" - No, it wasn't. It was sold as a desperate solution to stop tens of millions of people dropping dead in the street. It was never billed as being 100% effective, not by **anyone** with the right to make such claims, and it was **always** presented as something for which boosters would likely be needed. **Nobody** said Covid would totally die out. I can find you interviews and press conferences from Feb 2020 with prominent scientists saying the most likely outcome would be that Covid weakens and enters the primary human disease pool with other coronavirus strains, which is exactly what has happened.

Biden - Yup

Trump - Trump _does_ have those moments. It's just that where Biden was like your grandpa with dementia who nods off halfway through a conversation and wanders off to the shops without is pants on, Trump is like your grandpa who thinks that it's 1947 and spouts a continuous stream of unceasing senseless utter bullshit. The reaction has been predictable. Sleepy grandpa was put to bed, and we politely smile and nod along with stupid insane grandpa while we wait for him to die.

Border - ""she was in charge"" - Nope, wrong again! It was never executive policy or vice presidential policy. The responsibility of figuring out **how** to control the border was given to her, and she oversaw that planning inside the appropriate departments. The executive branch then asked Congress for approval for the necessary changes. **Republicans** voted against the legislation, while **Demcorats** voted for it. In spite of this, deportations were higher in 2021, 2022, and 2023 than they had been since 2004 under Bush. More than double that of Trump's highest year.

Riots - ""Cities were burning for months"" - No. They weren't. This is a complete fabrication invented by a Russian troll farm, leaning into the unrest from 48 hours of BLM, and eaten up by the right wing sphere on social media, then expanded by Infowars, then finally presented on Fox. The impression you have of that time period in those cities is a **complete fabrication**. Your impression of life in those cities today is likely to be utterly false if you believe the first lie. Between May and August there were more than 10,600 protests for BLM. Over 10,100 were entirely and completely peaceful. Only 570 involved **any** form of violence. In 290 of those, later court proceedings found false flag operations by right wing militia had set off the violence. Of the remaining 280, less than 50 saw property destruction, and most were confined to one or two city blocks. Less than 20 saw fires and arson. 6 of those were false flag, with 4 being confirmed as set by members of the Proud Boys (now in jail for arson).

End of democracy - ""End of democracy as we know it"" - Yeah. It was. Since Jan 6th (and before), roughly 70% of the population no longer has confidence that their vote will be properly counted, on one side or the other. That represents a fundamental breakdown in faith in democracy, and the end to democracy as we know it. **As we know it**. From Jan 6th forwards, it has been less about policy discussion and more about personal grievance. Less about votes and more about finding excuses to exclude people from voting. Less about people with opinions finding a mutual future and more about people viewing one another as enemies to be destroyed. Democracy as we knew it _is gone_. Democracy going forwards will be very, very different, or dead entirely if certain sectors of power get their way (Project 2025).

Media Trust - ""They don't trust the media"" - Well... Yeah. Half the media exaggerates and ignores, the other half makes shit up entirely and broadcasts flat out party political propaganda, and the half doing the bullshit is telling its audience that everyone else is making up bullshit while firehosing them with bullshit.

You are the _perfect_ example. In a tirade based around distrust of the media, you spouted not one but _six_ beliefs which you hold which are either entirely false, or severely mischaracterised, and they are _all_ mischaracterisations presented by _one_ media company. So... You are here complaining about distrust, while being a person who only believes one source! The only way a person comes to hold those six particular false beliefs is by watching a very specific tuned media source.

If it weren't so dangerous, it would be funny. Democracy requires an _informed population_, and right now the media and politicians are free to lie as much as they want.

Not talking about exaggeration or false promises of a rosy future. Not talking about dodging questions about how to pay for policy decisions.

Talking about a presidential candidate claiming immigrants are eating pets. A prominent elected official claiming the government are creating hurricanes. Claiming FEMA are ignoring communities damaged by storms. Claiming, claiming, claiming. Never any evidence, because there can't be, because **it's just bullshit they make up to make you angry**.
Truly happens every election, the media really wants a horse race, clicks and drama so the polls always ""tighten up"" before the election.
It makes sense why this election is close, especially when you look at how the media’s been handling things. People aren’t just thinking about January 6th or Trump’s 2020 election stuff. They’re seeing an economy with rising prices, worrying about national security, and getting frustrated with the way issues have been covered by the media.

Take Russia Gate, for instance. The media ran with that story for years, pushing the idea that Trump was in bed with Russia, but after all the investigations, it turned out to be mostly smoke and mirrors. And then there’s the vaccine efficacy story: they sold the vaccine as a surefire fix, but now we’re on boosters and people are still catching COVID.

Joe Biden’s mental health is another one—he’s had plenty of slip-ups and times where he seemed totally out of it, but the media hardly touches it. If Trump had done half of that, it would’ve been front-page news nonstop. Or look at the Afghanistan withdrawal—that was a disaster. We left behind Americans, billions in equipment, and soldiers were killed. But after a little coverage, it just disappeared from the headlines.

Then there’s Kamala Harris and the border. First, she was in charge; then, she wasn’t. The media barely held her accountable for that mess. And the one-sided coverage of the riots—in 2020, cities were burning for months, and it was called “mostly peaceful.” January 6th happened in a few hours, and it’s painted as the end of democracy as we know it. It’s this kind of inconsistency that makes people tune out and not trust what they’re being told.

The bottom line is, people vote on what they care about, and for a lot of Americans, they’ve got bigger issues on their minds than the latest headline. They don’t trust the media to tell them the full story, so they’re focused on the economy, national security, and protecting their rights. That’s why this election is close—everyone’s got their own perspective, and they’re not all buying the same narrative.
Who would have guessed there are literally 10s of millions of crazies in the USA! 
Interesting, I have an Ivy League PhD and assumed their stupidity was fueled by a lack of weed and psychedelics in adolescence.

I generally feel much stupider after having to interact with a lifelong teetotaler with zero perspective or experience. I think crackheads are more knowledgeable.
I agree.  My gut tells me Democrats are going to do well due to the last few cycles. I really hope I’m not delusional
The Trump campaign *did* enthusiastically engage with Russian agents—this is all clearly laid out in the Mueller report, which was unable to exonerate Trump.  Nobody should be OK with this.

The complaint about the COVID vaccine is a decades-old anti-vaxxer trope, relying on a Nirvana fallacy, falsely assuming that if a solution is not flawless, it is entirely worthless. The vaccines helped save millions of lives and prevented far worse outcomes. It's dishonest to paint it as a failure because it wasn’t 100% perfect.  No vaccine is 100% effective, for that matter.

As for Biden, yes, he has moments of cognitive slip-ups, but Trump has shown himself to be erratic, impulsive, and completely incapable of handling criticism or making decisions without personal vendettas. Trump’s behavior is symptomatic of more than just aging—it’s a personality disorder with a side of declining mental faculties.

On Kamala and the border, they said, ""First, she was in charge; then, she wasn’t,"" but no—that’s completely inaccurate. She was tasked with addressing the root causes of migration from Central America, not “in charge” of border enforcement. The border crisis is complex and predates this administration, but simplifying it into a hit job on Kamala is just disingenuous.

The Afghanistan withdrawal was a tragedy, no doubt, but let's be clear: Trump set the stage for that disaster with his reckless negotiation with the Taliban. He made a deal that set unrealistic deadlines for the U.S. to withdraw and sidelined the Afghan government entirely. By the time Biden came into office, the options were severely limited—Trump had essentially handed the country over to the Taliban on a silver platter. Biden was left to manage the fallout of that poorly crafted agreement. It was far from an ideal situation, but to act as if Trump had no part in it is just wrong.

And finally, this statement: ""Cities were burning for months, and it was called ‘mostly peaceful.’ January 6th happened in a few hours, and it’s painted as the end of democracy as we know it."" This is an incredible distortion. The protests in 2020 were largely peaceful, despite isolated cases of rioting. But January 6th was a violent attempt to overthrow the results of a democratic election—a direct attack on the seat of government. It wasn’t just another protest. It was an assault on democracy itself -- *a violation of millions of voters* -- and downplaying that fact is reckless.
But they sure do like ""socialist"" FEMA and other bailouts when the SHTF. Doesn't keep them from making up all sorts of stories about ""those"" people controlling the weather, and FEMA giving out checks to illegal immigrants, blah, fucking blah.
Everyone cares about all those things. Its not just Republicans.

They just seem very shallow about their reasoning. Why are the prices rising? Is it because our federal treasury printed funny money for years?

We needed a stimulus, that much is true. Did they go to far? Its a tough question for both sides.

But just blaming inflation on Biden like Trump didn't have a single hand in it is just dumb. Like head in the sand, la la la dumb.

How do you debate willful ignorance?
Sounds similar to ""vote blue no matter who"" fandom
Trump won in 2016, narrowly lost in 2020 and now in 2024 we're wondering why, the same guy, has a shot at winning? 

>He led a violent mob of his supporters on January 6th 2021 to the Capitol

That's called a lot of enthusiastic voters.
Well and the idea of sports competition. It’s their team and they will cheer for it as long as the competitor is a rival.
I'm very much counting on women coming out in large numbers to make this happen.",2024-10-13 16:43:17,"anger, frustration, disbelief, concern, skepticism, confusion, hope"
I would absolutely love for this moment to go down in history as the moment Donald Trump lost the 2024 election.,1g45j1t,5574,"Title: I would absolutely love for this moment to go down in history as the moment Donald Trump lost the 2024 election.

Body: There's plenty of other reasons. But just the thought of opening the history books and seeing this would be priceless. 

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I would also like it as the day Elon lost all ""LEFT"" buyers of his Tesla cars, stock and users of X.
Yes, exactly.  Let's see how many ""RIGHT"" buyers there are for Teslas. Lol.  X has become nothing more than TruthSocial 2.0.
Which is so wild bc 5 years ago no right winger would have considered a tesla
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He hasn't lost anything yet. They will sink to any depths to steal this election. We must not be complacent, and we must push for as many blue voters as possible.
![gif](giphy|iwmuEXy2cgsTuRue7i|downsized)
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Elon's picture for the history books.
This looks like the ! on the Jeb! campaign in 2016
They are buying $80k vehicles which insurers are refusing to insure. I love right wingers setting their money on fire.
Elon's 'manager': okay Leln, I mean Elon. Just go out there and don't be socially awkward and for the love of God, don't make your creepy face.

Elon: okay, bet.
It's definitely in the top five, but he lost the election in Chicago when he said, Harris turned black
lol is the cyber truck going to be the new lifted Chevy, specially outfitted to roll coal, and proudly flying a traitor’s flag?
Trump makes billionaires jump for joy.
He’s on something….his movements are awkward, even for him….
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Reminded me of Tom Cruise on Oprah. [https://youtu.be/9ZDAnKafr6c?si=YWcCNIdv2ziwPZeZ](https://youtu.be/9ZDAnKafr6c?si=YWcCNIdv2ziwPZeZ)
He hasn’t lost anything yet, VOTE!!!!
Right. The moment corporate America finally opted out of the Elon myth.
Oh Donald, you're so fine You're so fine You blow my mind Hey, Donald! Hey Donald!

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Elon musk has turned into the king of cringe
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The moderators at r/trans endorse Kamala Harris for President of the United States (2024 US Election Megathread),1g4x6px,1900,"Title: The moderators at r/trans endorse Kamala Harris for President of the United States (2024 US Election Megathread)

Body: TW: Links to bigoted and/or upsetting statements and policies

After lengthy discussion, the moderation team here has decided this election is too important to stand by without making a statement.

As the moderators for a global community of a marginalized group of people, we are acutely aware of the political situation in the US. One of two major parties will win in this next election and one of those two parties is [actively](https://apnews.com/article/lgbtq-transgender-republicans-trump-christian-conservatives-election-83becc009d8123d96a75c2e4940ab339) [attacking](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/rnc-speakers-lean-homophobic-transphobic-rhetoric-rcna162505) [us](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/) and our community and [actively rolling back our rights](https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/anti-trans-legislative-risk-assessment-3dc), while the other is working to [enact protections for us](https://www.hrc.org/resources/president-bidens-pro-lgbtq-timeline).

This election will be incredibly important to the safety and future of not only ourselves and all other minority groups, but also anyone else who wants to leave a livable planet for future generations. If you aren't in-tune with the plans for [Project 2025](https://www.aclu.org/project-2025-explained), then now is the time to learn about it. And for those saying Trump has denounced it, here's some info on what his replacement plan [Agenda 47](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/17/trumps-agenda-47-project-2025/74439445007/) is, as well as info on [who he picked to be in his cabinet](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-says-project-2025-author-coming-onboard-if-elected-1966334).

Please don't think any of this is hypothetical either. Trump did [a lot of work](https://www.hrc.org/news/the-list-of-trumps-unprecedented-steps-for-the-lgbtq-community) to position the party to [act on all of this](https://www.axios.com/2022/06/24/obergefell-supreme-courts-roe-wade-ruling-privacy) if he takes office again. And the party is [already working](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-jan-6-committee-chair-rep-bennie-thompson-calls-capitol-riot-the-culmination-of-an-attempted-coup) to [delegitimize](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/11/roger-stone-election-polling-stations) [this election](https://www.vox.com/2020/3/21/21188152/trump-cancel-november-election-constitution-coronavirus-vote-by-mail), and [likely future ones](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-suggests-hell-use-the-military-on-the-enemy-from-within-the-u-s-if-hes-reelected) in the process.

For those planning to just sit out entirely, that's actually what Republicans are hoping for. They know they can't win you over, so instead they need you to not vote Democrat. Remember that this is all a numbers game. An undecided voter is worth a +2 point swing to a candidate they vote for, and -2 if they vote for the opposing party, but only a +/-1 vote swing if they don't vote or vote 3rd party. This is why [Jill Stein’s](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/10/09/abandon-harris-stein-michigan-arab-american-voters/75561456007/) and [RFK Jr’s](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-ballot-battleground-states/) campaigns both want your vote.

With all of this in mind, we wholly endorse Kamala Harris for President of the United States. [Here is her platform on LGBTQ+ rights](https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbtq-rights/why-a-harris-presidency-promises-hope-for-lgbtq-rights), so you may read up on her more.

If you haven't registered to vote, please go to [vote.org](https://www.vote.org/) to do so for your state. Additionally, if you haven't checked this year, please go there and verify your registration, as many people have been removed from the voter roster in many states. You can also use this site to help request a mail-in ballot for those who might have difficulty getting to their assigned polling stations. 

As a reminder, our subreddit rules do still apply here. We will not tolerate bigotry or major arguments in the comments, and election discussion is to stay within this thread. Discussion of political or election topics that are not trans or LGBTQ+ related are not appropriate here.

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I’m super scared for this election. I can’t vote yet (I’m only 16) so I’m putting all my trust in people to vote for her and give me a shot at life since if trump wins I won’t be able to transition and I don’t know what’ll happen to me.
Yep. Voted for her last week. I'm just terrified of what happened with Labour in the UK happening here.

We're already seeing signs of some democrats (Allred, Brown) being willing to throw us under the bus. It's giving me bad omen vibes. Harris and Walz at some point need to come out unequivocally for trans rights and push for the updated Equality Act. It can be after the election is done, but it needs to happen.
We all are. Hugs. We're stronger together!
Mods, thank you so much for this. I’m so worried about the state of the discourse in the queer community, and moreso in the trans community. It feels like far too many people are willing to stand by and watch the hate engulf this country and don’t realise just what is at stake.

Yes, both positions on Gaza aren’t satisfactory. But the GOP’s is worse. Much, much worse; even the Uncommitted Movement acknowledges that. Add onto that Trump saying he’ll “force Ukraine to make a deal” and the Project 2025 agenda on Queer people and it’s a clear choice.

Vote for Kamala Harris, everyone. I know I will.
They went full TERF and took up the Cass review recommendations that call for a ban on transition.
Yeah I agree that the Democrats aren't perfect but compared to the pure evil on the Republican side it's such an easy choice. I feel hope that Tim Walz will help guide through some of trans policies. I feel hope for Kamala Harris winning 🤞 

There are no viable 3rd party candidates this election. This is not the year of the 3rd party. This is the year to defeat Republicans. Vote!
Same. I keep getting into arguments with people on reddit (who are SOOO PROGRESSIVE) that claim there's no trans genocide and Trump won't do anything.

I know reddit is a cesspool but it feels two faced to see people talking about how progressive they are snub us first chance they get.

I'm scared for the election, but I'm hoping the universe rights itself and we get the good ending.
This is a valid question the mods brought up during our discussion of whether or not to post this. At the moment, we haven't decided if we are going to take a stand on other candidates and elections around the world. We made an exception this time because of how impactful this particular election is going to be to not just the trans people in the United States, but also how the next president can and will affect things around the world.   
  
Whether or not it is right, the United States has the power to lead the world in the direction it wants by being a representative of what it thinks human rights should look like, and if Project 2025 goes into action, it could be as potentially world-changing for the queer community around the world as the Cass Review was for the UK. If one superpower says our human rights don't matter, it gives other countries leverage to use us against our allies.
i’m not from the US, so i can’t vote, but if you’re trans and you don’t vote for Kamala you are a dumbass
Worse yet is the self-proclaimed progressives who refuse to vote because both the candidates are bad (in spite of the fact that Trump is obviously much worse than Harris).

I'd come up with some exaggerated metaphor to poke fun at the situation, but I can't - the real situation is already too bloody stupid.
3rd parties are never viable. They don't have electors who can actually vote for them if they win. They're just spoilers. Always have been.

And again, I voted last week blue up and down the ticket.

I guess we'll see. I'm not particularly feeling it with Harris' comments on appointing republicans in her cabinet and showing up on stage with Liz Cheney of all people considering Cheney voted 90% of the time in lockstep with Nazi MAGA. It's making me extremely nervous actually.
And RFK Jr belongs to the worm that ate part of his brain.
Sending love and good luck to all our friends in the US
I’m proud y’all said something. Kamala 2024
There are a number of things I don't like about Harris, but there is too much at stake to not vote for her. Trump must be stopped
Blaire white, buck angel, Caitlin Jenner, unfortunately they do exist
Realistically, is there any other possible choice? Stein belongs to Russia and isn't a serious candidate. Trump belongs to Russia and also wants to kill us. 
I saw one of those shorts where one person acts out multiple roles about that.

Basically pointing out that Gaza will not get better with republicans in control, and likely get even worse, while domestically so many minority groups, queer specifically, are left to rot meaning there's even less people working to pressure on Gaza because there are problems *here* that effect *us*.

For that matter, what republicans have been doing in red states, and calling for doing nationally, also fits the definition for genocide when it comes to trans people. I care about what is happening to the Palestinians, but I can't ignore the target on my own back, and the backs of my friends and the rest of the community, for them.

Like, pressuring is fine, but this kind of tactic where you vote for another candidate or whatever is only useful in the primary. I get this time around was odd with Biden dropping out, but refusing to vote. voting third party, or anything but a vote for the democrats in a general is support for literal fascism at this point.
Genuine question since I'm in the USA, what happened with Labour Party in the UK?
To try and alleviate that worry a little (since I know how crushing these concerns can be), her website's policy page has an endorsement of the Equality Act on it, and her record suggests she probably will not pivot after being elected.

From her website (https://kamalaharris.com/issues/) under the heading ""Protect Civil Rights and Freedoms"":

>Her Administration will also continue to protect Americans from discrimination, building on her work to secure $2 billion in funding for Offices of Civil Rights across the federal government. And as President, she’ll always defend the freedom to love who you love openly and with pride.  In 2004, she officiated some of the nation’s first same-sex marriages and as Attorney General, she refused to defend California’s anti-marriage equality statewide referendum. As President, she’ll fight to pass the Equality Act to enshrine anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQI+ Americans in health care, housing, education, and more into law. 

Plus here is GLAAD's accountability tracker on Harris's record: [https://glaad.org/harris-accountability-tracker/](https://glaad.org/harris-accountability-tracker/)  
As well as GLAAD's accountability tracker on Walz's record: [https://glaad.org/releases/glaad-responds-to-kamala-harris-choice-of-minnesota-governor-tim-walz-for-vice-president/](https://glaad.org/releases/glaad-responds-to-kamala-harris-choice-of-minnesota-governor-tim-walz-for-vice-president/)",2024-10-16 11:33:58,"fear, sadness, hope, anger, neutral, joy"
Lewis Black Has a Message For Undecided Voters in the 2024 Election,1g55233,2023,"Title: Lewis Black Has a Message For Undecided Voters in the 2024 Election

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There are no undecided voters at this point just people that don’t want to admit that they are voting for trump. You can vote for a “dictator on day one” that has stated multiple times he will use the military to persecute Americans that oppose him or you can vote to not have that. Pretty easy choice whether you like Kamala or not, a vote for trump is a vote against freedom and he has in no short terms told people that directly to their faces for the last 4 years and he has the immunity to do it now and he will, the only truth he is telling. A vote for trump installs supreme leader Vance to the communist party of the former USA.
I feel like the term “undecided” is misleading. It’s always portrayed as people intending to vote but haven’t decided for whom yet. However there are also people who normally would go out and vote but are undecided whether they’re motivated enough to do it…

For example, hearing reports that certain groups that voted reliably for Democratic candidates in the past being lukewarm about supporting Harris is a way scarier groups of “undecided” to me and what the Harris campaign should focus 100% on.
Great segment, and he’s right
That man got to 60 years old and said: ""let's keep it right here"". He looks good!
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I'm undecided.  I can't decide if I want to fight another 8 years and vote for Harris or give up and vote for Trump in some strange national suicide pack. 
Thank you Lewis for saying the quiet thing out loud. Everyone, please listen to the old yeller.
There’s validity in this observation and assessment, but I would even extend it to some not wanting to admit they are voting for Harris either. I believe there are probably a few true “undecided” voters, but probably much less than may be advertised at the moment. For a good portion of them (not all), it’s more of a type of self-preservation action as opposed to being undecided. They don’t want to deal with comments, interactions, etc. with others they know and may have voiced support for the opposite candidate.
That's Trump's goal: wear you down until you give up. We can't stop defending our country from people like him.
Oh, so America is just another one of his sexual assault victims.
\*pact
You are absolutely right, I live in the south, I don’t even want to think about talking politics but just by the way I cringe when I hear anything about trump tells people who I’m voting for but when asked I just shrug and say they are both crazy
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I think my spelling says a lot about me. 
They most certainly have the right to sit it out, but they better keep that shit to themselves if they don’t like the outcome.
To feel special with their ignorant and paste eating lives.
Undecided voters at this point are just attention seekers.
No, there are legitimately undecided voters who are likely to vote and are independents as well. They are baffling people.
They aren’t undecided they are voting for Trump and don’t want anyone to know
Fun fact:  they're not undecided, they're proTrump but still haven't completely embraced overt  racism and still choose to quietly vote to harm the most vulnerable among us.",2024-10-16 17:31:21,"anger, disgust, fear, sadness, neutral, surprise, joy, disgust, sadness, anger, neutral, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, anger, neutral, anger, disgust, anger, disgust, neutral, anger, disgust, anger,"
"Kamala Harris agrees that Donald Trump is a fascist: ‘Yes, we can say that’ | US elections 2024",1g55bap,8124,"Title: Kamala Harris agrees that Donald Trump is a fascist: ‘Yes, we can say that’ | US elections 2024

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Kamala is a smart woman.
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It is the first time Harris has publicly endorsed using the word fascist to describe Trump and his plan for governance, although it has been raised repeatedly by some observers as his campaign rhetoric and threats to jail his political opponents have grown more ominous.

Her explicit approval of the word to describe Trump breaks new ground in a presidential campaign in which she has already criticised his warm relationship with the Russian leader, Vladimir Putin, and stated admiration for other foreign autocrats.
-	[Here’s Republican strategist and former Bush administration member David Frum’s explanation of why Trumpism is American fascism](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/theres-word-what-trumpism-becoming/619418/). (And [here](https://web.archive.org/web/20220614164430/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/theres-word-what-trumpism-becoming/619418/) is an archive link.)

-	[Here’s Republican strategist and former Bush administration member Michael Gerson’s explanation of same](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumpism-is-american-fascism/2021/02/01/c410f662-64b2-11eb-8c64-9595888caa15_story.html). (And [here](https://web.archive.org/web/20220330231836/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumpism-is-american-fascism/2021/02/01/c410f662-64b2-11eb-8c64-9595888caa15_story.html) is an archive link.)

-	[Here is a *literal expert on fascism* writing in Haaretz to explain the same](https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-trump-legacy-fascism-far-right-biden-1.9463419). (And [here](https://web.archive.org/web/20221225201346/https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2021-01-21/ty-article-opinion/.premium/trump-legacy-fascism-far-right-biden/0000017f-df2b-df9c-a17f-ff3b20380000) is an archive link.)


-	[Here is a whole goddamn playlist of funny-style videos about it](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkJemc4T5NYaTJVphMh1oGT5uYoKdFYzO), if reading isn’t your thing.

-	[Here is Umberto Eco's essay ""Ur-Fascism""](https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/); here it is [as a PDF](https://archive.org/details/umberto-eco-ur-fascism/) if you hit a paywall. Here is [a brief summary](https://interglacial.com/pub/text/Umberto_Eco_-_Eternal_Fascism.html). I dare anyone to read that and *honestly* say it doesn't remind you almost entirely of MAGA.
Yup. Anyone who disagrees needs to just look at the attempt at a fake electoral college. That alone is game over for anyone who thinks he isn't a fascist.
It's very fitting

If it walks like a duck, acts like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
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Give them space. You've got to remember that these are just simple people. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know . . . morons.
I could use a laugh. Define Marxism and communism and explain the differences between the two.
Republicans are already wearing fascism like a badge, like they do with racism and sexism.
This is pretty big news. If a centrist liberal candidate, the most mild-mannered of all of God's creatures, is calling their opponent a fascist, then that's going to light a fire under every liberal in the country. They're all well-aware of what fascism is but they all thought it's something that happens *over there* or *in the past*, not *right here, right now*.
Marxism and communism are two differing and opposing political movements.
Why the fuck, after 8 years of these troglodytes burying their heads in the sand at every juncture, would you bother putting together sources for this moron?   

They come in these threads and bait people into arguing with them because they know damn well you’re gonna put in 50x the effort they will and waste your time. This dude, like every other Trump cultist, couldn’t give the slightest inkling of a fuck about facts and there is literally nothing you can do to change their mind. You could show them video evidence of Trump admitting he is a fascist and they would either keep denying it anyway or do mental gymnastics to suddenly make it a misunderstood ideology demonized by communists. Anyone still subscribing to or “on the fence about” the grift in 2024 is beyond saving.   

Stop feeding the trolls. Downvote them and ignore their existence until they crawl back into the holes they came out of. Doing anything else is akin to expecting something productive to come from talking to a 3 year old about calculus.
I know it's bait: That's *exactly why* I cobbled that together long, *long* ago, and have it saved to a note in my phone.

It saves time, *and* it means that the trolls aren't the only voices low-information social media users hear.


> ignore their existence

If *everyone* did that, you'd be right on the money. Sadly, though, they only *benefit* when people who know better ignore them, since there are plenty of people who *don't*.
>a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime that **exalts nation** **and often race** above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by **forcible suppression of opposition**

[https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-fascist-talk-bloodbath-vermin-dictator-1234992957/](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-fascist-talk-bloodbath-vermin-dictator-1234992957/)

>At a recent rally in Pennsylvania, Trump accused the Haitian arrivals of having “destroyed” Springfield, and vowed to “get them the hell out!,” causing the MAGA crowd at to erupt in chilling chants of, “[Send them back](https://x.com/atrupar/status/1838377945431196106)!”

Your turn!  Define Communism and Marxism and show us why it applies to Harris.
I always ask people like them to define those words and for some reason they never reply. It's amazing how much they overuse buzzwords that they have no idea what they actually mean
He *loves* the poorly educated. And they love him!
You cannot be serious in posting this link. Please say sike, I’m absolutely begging you.
Dude your boy had a mental fudgepacking moment as he just swayed to music for nearly an hour as onlookers observed confused like a day ago
The whole maga movement relies on one sided rhetoric. When one side is talking policy and the other is making up nonsense about eating pets and weather control, it's not possible to actually have a conversation. Maga needs to be engaged with at it's own level. Kamala is making a small move here, but we can lean into it a bit more.

Here's an example: the Maga movement is a terrorist organization. Any politician that has materially supported this movement should be removed from office at all levels of government. Criminal charges should be brought against Maga politicians for making terroristic threats and promoting violence. Anyone associated with maga should be investigated for child trafficking and pedophilia. All funding to Maga political infrastructure should be frozen and investigated for foreign influence.
> Setting out the electoral options in the hourlong phone-in interview, Harris was initially cautious, telling her host that voters in the 5 November election “have two choices … and it’s two very different visions for our nation” before giving a vague definition of her vision.


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> Charlamagne then in effect goaded her into making a leap, saying: “The other is about fascism. Why can’t we just say it?”


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> Harris immediately replied: “Yes, we can say that.”",2024-10-16 17:42:10,"anger, surprise, disgust"
Election Subversion 2024: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO),1g5o8cc,3812,"Title: Election Subversion 2024: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

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I felt the same way watching this as I did when they covered Project 2025 a few months ago. I knew things were bad, but when you hear the details and the mechanisms already underway, it's kind of terrifying. I still can't believe this country has reached this point.
Believe it. No matter the outcome this November, the next few months are going to be hell.
What’s crazy is Harris can steamroll her way to winning the popular vote by 20 million and the senile turd could still be crowned the presidency
Winning the election is the bare minimum. 

You need enough votes to gain control of the House and the Senate, and actually enact reform, primarily on the out of control Supreme Court and the Judicial Branch. 

This is going to be a very painful three months and I don't expect things to calm down until March. The right's objective is to sow as much chaos as possible, even if they are losing badly, in the hopes that violence breaks out and at least some people die during the chaos. 

The best defense is to *vote*. Check your registration, make a plan, encourage others, turn up, cast your ballot, even if it takes 16 hours to do it. This is by far your most effective, efficient and *peaceful* option. 

The 2020 election couldn't be stolen not just because the guard rails held up, but we had record turnouts which made trying to cheat much much much harder. Even in locked down districts or completely hopeless districts, *your single vote matters*, especially in account of the collective.

Election disinformation is going to be at a record high, **including advice to not vote**. Don't fall for propaganda designed to prey on cynicism and high mindedness.
Everyone involved in trying to subvert the election should be tried and imprisoned.
John Oliver is the GOAT. I watched the nyt podcast where he talks about his research team. They vet everything
I think the GA courts struck down these rules, thankfully.
Yea, thank fucking God. Having 3 people count 100,000+ ballots by hand (and reaching the exact same totals) in *one night* is absolute insanity.

There's definitely a party trying to subvert and steal the election this year, and it's not the DNC.
And what's also crazy is that senile turd could win by 180 million votes and scream that the election was rigged because he ""obviously"" won by over 200 million.
Also, right now many states are already open for early voting. NC just started TODAY. So many of these polling stations are empty. Get in and get out. No lines. No waits. You could do it before work or during lunch or after work. 

Just vote. You have time.
One of the best investigative teams in the business. And half of the research they do is all just for a punchline. It’s fabulous
The thing that trips me up is how do they believe the results for the other elected positions (like representatives and Congress people) that are voted on using the same ballot, but they don't accept the results for the president? 

You cannot accept MKG was elected into her position while saying Democrats cheated to get Biden elected.
> I still can't believe this country has reached this point.

After 2016, and especially after January 6, I've been operating on the assumption that there is no bottom.
Of course he's leftist. He has one of the best investigative teams in the business.
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I really don’t understand how people could vote for a pedophile. Republicans could’ve picked any other candidate. Trump is a sexual predator. A pedophile, racist. fascist. He doesn’t care about anyone who’s voting for him. All he cares about is money and feeling powerful. He looks up to people like Putin because he thinks that they’re powerful and they can get away with whatever they want. That’s who that man strives to be. He doesn’t give a shit about anybody but himself.
And especially after all the GOP congresspeople who ran scared for their lives during January 6 came back and said it was actually a good thing
That’s actually as unlikely an outcome as her winning by 20 million, unfortunately. 

But, let’s stick with it….winning by 20 million votes would change a lot. That is far too many votes to legitimately challenge. No doubt they would do it, but the chance they could throw out so many is not feasible. Such a landslide would be a mandate that could hold through all the BS. 

And that’s why turnout is utterly key. Don’t just make a plan to vote. Just vote. Get out and record your pick. That turnout could create the acceptable margin that can survive all this BS, most especially in those battleground states.
We all agree with you in this echo chamber. We need to get out of our bubble and into the bubble of Trump supporters with these words.
It's only been temporarily delayed. It wasn't fully shut down. They can try again next year because the reason it's been struck down is because it was implemented too close to the election to change. It wasn't taken off the board entirely.",2024-10-17 11:00:53,"fear, anger, sadness, disgust, neutral, joy"
"Trump's legal team tried to keep Stormy Daniels quiet ahead of 2024 election, MSNBC reports",1g5q15r,5393,"Title: Trump's legal team tried to keep Stormy Daniels quiet ahead of 2024 election, MSNBC reports

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Clearly this is election interference.

Something something Hunters Laptop
Why would he pay her to keep quiet about commenting he said never happened? That seems weird.
He doesn't want people reminded he cheated on his pregnant wife with a porn star.
This is some weird deju vu going on here.... next thing you know I'll be hearing about golden showers and an email server
He coincidentally offered her almost the same amount she owes for the recent defamation case against her. I think she should just crowd fund that and go out and make as much noise about this as possible.
This is hard to understand ... until you remember Trump is a narcissist. He wants his win in 2016 to be down to his political, tactical decisions. And he's losing now, so he's trying to make the same ones again. Why did he win in 2016? Because of his personal orders to his team. How can he win again? With the same orders.
Trump is the perfect Floridian, who can’t seem to escape from the storm.
She already crowdfunded roughly the amount needed to pay him, during the normal back and forth on the exact amount, Trump's lawyers offered to settle for like $30,000 less than they claimed she owed, if Stormy would sign an NDA. They met in the middle and she signed nothing, but it's crazy that they tried to buy her silence again and in writing.
Barbara Streisand has something to say about that
Opleaseopleaseoplease.
It seems like Trump's team is really trying to control the narrative before the election, but keeping things quiet like that just raises more questions.
The chances that Trump has never paid for an abortion (with a side of an ironclad NDA) are statistically close to zero.
Hunter's Laptop?

Wait, are you saying that the real affair was between Hunter's Laptop and Stormy? Trump was completely faithful to Melania and this is just a frame up?

We need to tell everyone!

Quick, to the MAGA Mobile!  🚗💨

Wait...my brand new Bigly Trump Edition MAGA Mobile didnt come with seats...or an engine...who did this?

Gasp! *Hunter's Laptop!*
More like bastard abortion.
Let Stormy speak! Let Stormy speak!
Well put. It’s why he’s so easily baited and manipulated.
Yeah just Laura Loomer…
Nopuppetnopuppetyourethepuppet
Same crime twice. 

Can’t even make this shit up. 

Let’s pummel this motherfucker once and for all. GO VOTE!
I think it’s more than that. 

My bet is there’s a bastard child with Stormy out there that he’s hiding. ",2024-10-17 12:46:21,"anger, disgust, surprise, fear, neutral, joy"
Trump pleads with judge to stop Jan. 6 evidence from coming out before 2024 election,1g5splw,13711,"Title: Trump pleads with judge to stop Jan. 6 evidence from coming out before 2024 election

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His delay tactics caused it to be so close to an election,release the kraken
I agree on a personal level, but that's not why the judge should release the information. Kind of the opposite.

She should release it because it's procedure, her schedule now calls for it, and politics and the election *aren't* relevant here, which Trump's lawyers are arguing.
People need to be informed on who they are voting for to not release it is undemocratic.
I may have some details wrong so feel free to correct me, but this is my loose understanding of this whole saga:

>SMITH:  I would like to release this document explaining why the indictment withstands *Trump v. US*.

>CHUTKAN:  Fair enough.  Does the defendant have any objections to the proposed redactions?

>TRUMP:  This is election interference!!

>CHUTKAN:  Okay, um, not really a legal argument, so I guess no objections to the redactions noted; released with Smith's redactions.

>SMITH:  We also have this massive appendix of evidence we would like to release.

>CHUTKAN:  Fair eno--

>TRUMP:  Give me 7 days to figure out how to stop this.

>---7 days later---

>TRUMP:  This is election interference!!
Somebody sounds scared... as if the initial evidence was bad enough, there must be something terrible in this next set of documents.
Yet my whole family will vote for him and treat me like I’m the dummy because I won’t.
If the evidence is NOT released it will alter the election.

We all want to know as much as possible about our candidates, no?
If it helps, a stranger on the internet thinks you're the only sane one in that family.
Fair point, just seems crazy to have someone running in a democracy when there is evidence that hasn't been released where he tried to destroy that democracy.
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It's my understanding from other legal sources that if Trump had made this objection sooner within the 7 day window, it might have had some effect, but now it would be extraordinary for the district court to stay Chutkan's current order, and even SCOTUS wouldn't likely touch it.
The fact that he was more or less successful in running out the clock on his crimes - of which there were four *long* years leading up to - is absolute proof that the justice system has failed its society.

No one is changing their mind with two weeks left on the clock. 

Garland needs to be replaced on **day one** of the Harris administration.
Meanwhile, what are Kamala's thoughts on smoked vs non-smoked provolone, it's all hanging on that for me /s
Stay tuned, SCOTUS may very well touch it.
""The common sense of mankind demands that law shall not stop with the punishment of petty crimes by little people. It must also reach men who possess themselves of great power and make deliberate and concerted use of it to set in motion evils which leave no home in the world untouched.""

- Robert H. Jackson - Opening Statement before the International Military Tribunal - Nuremberg 1945
For sure, I do agree with the broader problem (SCOTUS) which is why it's so absurd Chutkan and Smith are even in this position and there wasn't a trial ~6 months ago.
The whole Trump running thing shouldn't even happen. SCOTUS gutted the 14th Amendment to protect Trump.
No one talks about that at all.
My mom is on her death bed, literally (one less Trump vote—okay that was mean.) and I have to endure my siblings all day while waiting.  I know today, my brother is going to corner me and I’m desperately trying to come up with something that puts him in his place without being too mean.
And publicity was EVERYWHERE on Hillary, even though it ultimately led to absolutely nothing. 


Meanwhile, actual conspiracy and election interference is swept under the rug because of the R next to his name on the ballot.
I don't understand why he cares so much. There is nothing that could possibly come out of this that would turn away the people already voting for him. If anything it helps him because the non-Fox news media will give it wall to wall coverage and let him suck all the oxygen out of the room.",2024-10-17 14:51:51,"anger, fear, disgust, sadness, neutral"
‘The public has been poisoned’: Trump tries one more time to stop Jack Smith’s Jan. 6 evidence from coming out ahead of 2024 election,1g5szua,4221,"Title: ‘The public has been poisoned’: Trump tries one more time to stop Jack Smith’s Jan. 6 evidence from coming out ahead of 2024 election

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Trump is the poison.
I don't know why he bothers. His supporters are impervious to reality. This won't cost him any votes.
What's more interesting is how fast Chutkan will give a ruling on this. She has been amazingly fast so far.
>“If, as here, a prosecutor, during a highly contested political   
campaign, is granted leave to submit enormous filings publicly examining  
 a President’s decision-making while in office, future Presidents will   
be far more reluctant to take the ‘bold and unhesitating action’   
required of them,” the defense said.

We have a president, not a dictator. I *want* the president to be reluctant to take bold and unhesitating action. We need more transparency from the president, we need the president to work for the people, and we need the president to be accountable to the people.
Right?  Lies not working?  We’ll then lie harder. 

Deny, deny and deny some more and then accuse your accuser of the the thing you did. Evidence?  Don’t need it if you scream loud enough. 
Pretty easy and quick to deny what is essentially a reconsideration motion when there’s no new law or facts.
> His supporters are impervious to reality.

Yes, to the extent his devoted voters are concerned, nothing will detract them. He is more concerned about a handful of independents  who can be swayed with further exposure. Alternatively, Trump hopes a win for him will bring a stop to all of this.
I would be amazed if anyone who would vote for trump would be swayed by anything. People have made up their mind absolutely nothing the news says is going to change it.
He is. He said some shit about how divided the country is now. I thinking, motherfucker, you did the dividing. 
Her move thus far has been to ignore that an election exists.
That’s the thing. 

I can’t even talk to trump believers anymore bc they have literally been poisoned. 

Nothing trump does is bad. Everything Kamala (pronounced incorrectly, obvs) is evil and bad. 


Like, you can’t even have a conversation anymore because they are completely detached from reality. 

Fuck Donald Trump and everything he has done to this nation.
This was the same argument they used with SCOTUS.
IANAL but if there anything to preventing Trump’s lawyers from releasing all their evidence defending Trump to the public? They all act as though he’s stone cold guilty all the time.
But... The radical left wing is out to get him! They are making him look bad! It's political retaliation! 

/s
She sees it like any other job a criminal defendant might have.
They don’t have any, smoke screens and delays is the only tactic they have to get to an election and then leverage a JD pardon
   “but polls keep changing almost daily beyond the margin of errors; so, something is going on”

The polls are currently being flooded with right wing polls formulated deliberately to make it seem that the GOP is doing better than they are.  They also did this in 2020 and 22 where a red wave prediction completely collapsed. 

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/09/political-strategist-heres-how-gops-phony-polls-will-help-trump-with-the-big-lie.html?outputType=amp

Having said this, the more nefarious intention behind this strategy is to allow plausibility when Trump lies about the rigged election.  Infuriating!
If someone hasn't been swayed by everything that's already out there, I doubt this will make a difference. He'll just deny it all and play the victim for the 11,287,944th time.

If he wins, all the federal charges go away. He need not hope. He will make it happen. The DOJ will drop all the charges.
Motions for reconsideration are not appealable.
Thats how I feel about him saying he'll be ""the protector"" of women, motherfucker, you and your cronies are the ones women need protecting from.",2024-10-17 15:03:51,"anger, disgust, neutral, anger, anger, anger, disgust, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger,"
Texas Newspaper Endorsements for the 2024 election (Early voting begins 10/21),1g83tlx,4140,"Title: Texas Newspaper Endorsements for the 2024 election (Early voting begins 10/21)

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Statesman Rep: *The Austin American Statesman prefers not to endorse anyone in this 2024 election…*

What about Ted Cruz?

***Yo, F&€K TED CRUZ!!!!***

Telegram Rep: *humming a angelic Hymnal*
Not a single large paper in Texas will endorse the Convict.
Hey y’all! You might remember me from when I made a post for the [2022 Texas Newspaper Endorsements.](https://old.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/ybh0qr/texas_newspaper_endorsements_for_the_2022_midterm/) And yes, just like in 2022 I tried to look for small town Texas newspaper endorsements and could not find any.

These are just the endorsements for statewide races that will be on everyone’s ballot in Texas. Each of these newspapers has many, MANY endorsements for down-ballot races which are just as important. You can view their other endorsements below.

[Austin American Statesman endorsements](https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/editorials/2024/10/20/austin-american-statesman-editorial-board-endorsements-austin-texas-election-2024/75679130007/?itm_campaign=confirmation&itm_content=news&itm_medium=onsite&itm_source=onsite)

[Austin Chronicle endorsements](https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2024-10-18/endorsements-for-the-november-2024-general-election/)

[Dallas Morning News endorsements](https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/we-recommend/)

[Fort Worth Star-Telegram endorsements](https://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/election-recommendations/)

[Houston Chronicle endorsements](https://www.houstonchronicle.com/projects/2024/texas-election-endorsements/)

[San Antonio Express-News endorsements](https://www.expressnews.com/projects/2024/san-antonio-general-election-endorsements-2024/)

I don’t agree with all of their endorsements and you don’t have to either. But READING these endorsements is a great first step at researching the candidates. Here are some other things to look at to help determine who deserves your vote.

[Full Presidential debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdSDngmDLmY)

[Full Texas Senate debate between Colin Allred and Ted Cruz](https://www.youtube.com/live/Lqauw4t0u2s?si=rqjS3DnNIb_N2ogO&t=16173)

[League of Women Voters of Texas](https://lwvtexas.org/#gsc.tab=0)

Voting info:

**Early voting is from Oct 21st-Nov 1st. VOTE EARLY.** The lines are MUCH shorter (potentially even non-existent if you go during the middle of the week) and if you wait until election day (**Nov 5th**) you might forget or something could come up that causes you to miss your chance to vote.

You are NOT allowed to use your phone while voting. You CAN use a written down or printed-out voting “cheat sheet” to help you remember who/what to vote for. [Source](https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/laws/advisory2024-06.shtml)


Voting by mail is very restricted in Texas. [Find out if you’re eligible to vote by mail and how to vote by mail here.](https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/voter/reqabbm.shtml) The last day to apply for a ballot by mail (received, NOT postmarked) is Oct 25th.

Voting tools:

[Vote411.org](https://www.vote411.org/ballot) - See what races will be on your ballot

[Iwillvote.com](https://iwillvote.com/locate/?state=TX) - Find your nearest polling location

[VoteTexas.gov](https://www.votetexas.gov/voting/need-id.html) - List of acceptable forms of photo ID you **MUST** present at the polls when voting in person

[Rideshare2vote.com](https://rideshare2voteaware.org/awarevote-rides/) - Request a FREE ride to and from a polling location
In before the MAGA supporters show up crying that newspapers are full of left-wing socialists.

r/texas full of left-wingers, newspapers full of left-wingers, Texas full of left-wingers but somehow conservatives still represent what the majority of people really want.
Seriously, if there's one thing that can bring us all together in these divided times it's that Ted Cruz is a piece of shit.
gee, the Statesman is noping out of almost everything, but even they can't stand Ted Cruz.
For Worth Star Telegram as well.
So NO endorsement from some? Sheesh.
Good lord, no endorsement on the Presidential ticket is absolute cowardice.
I find it odd that Ted Cruz refused to respond to the nonpartisan League of Women Voters.
The endorsement of Allred is pretty interesting, for exactly the reasons you mentioned. They didn't just, not endorse anyone; like they did with every other office. They actively endorsed the Democrat and effectively told Cruz to go fuck himself. lol
DMN, you cowards.
I love that day by day Texas is more willing to admit that Ted Cruz is an absolute PoS.
Victim crybabies even when they are outnumbered and still cram their medieval bullshit down everyone else's throats.
Honestly it's impressive that Allred got the endorsement for a paper that otherwise doesn't endorse anyone.
I wish the state's voting population felt the same way. Guess we'll see in a couple of weeks.
Or the Craven Canadian
Real Texan here. 

Vote all Dems until the MAGA lunatics are off the ballot.
Real folks from Texas live in those ""liberal cities.""

And liberals live in the smaller communities as well.
""Don't trust them. They're such globalist, child eating, liberals that they won't even give me a voice.",2024-10-20 17:19:21,"anger, disgust, joy, neutral, surprise"
I want to emigrate to Russia if Harris wins the 2024 election.,1g93l83,5073,"Title: I want to emigrate to Russia if Harris wins the 2024 election.

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Typically all the weird American conservatives flood the Swiss subreddits around election time with their plans to move to the land of mountains and machine guns. In their minds we are some sort of libertarian utopia. They are always surprised to learn that they cannot just decide to move to a place without things like visas, residence permits, a work contract and so on.
At least he speaks the language
But they’re American! Surely that fact alone should mean nations are tripping over themselves to welcome them! 👀
Or so he states… I’ve had conversations with Americans that claimed to be fluent in German. They generally didn’t get much further than danke or bitte.
Emigrating to a country with a language you already speak because it is more affordable seems reasonable. But leaving because you don't like a president(not a tyrant) to another country with a tyrant as president is beyond stupid.
And don’t you dare try to apply words like “foreigner” and “immigrant” to them when they move abroad!
They really don’t know what fluent means. My German is OK. It’s enough to order food, ask for directions and have simple conversations, but I’m also aware that my grammar is probably terrible, I frequently forget the words for things, and I never get the gendered nouns right. I’m working on it, but I can at least make myself understood. 

I would NEVER refer to myself as “fluent in German”, and I’d wager that my German, limited as it is, is considerably better than most of those people.

Edit: the responses to this are brilliant. I’m reminded of a sketch I watched which was titled “when your German friend first gets good at English but translates too literally” or something. It had a guy walking into a room full of people and saying “Hello together! We are having a good time, or?”
I'M A EXXXXPATTTT!!
>Would it have been a good idea for them to learn Russian before they went? Yes, yes it would. Did they do that? No, they did not. “We were naive on that,” said Anneesa Feenstra, matriarch and former beet farmer. “I needed to use the washroom, and on the doors said male and female, but I didn’t know which was which!”

>“In America, that wouldn’t be a problem, it’s free-for-all in the bathrooms, but now in our world it matters!” her husband added.

This part of the article is pure gold!
An entire family did this same thing earlier this year. It didn't go well for them. 🤣

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/02/21/canadian-family-moved-to-russia-to-escape-wokeness/
Ah yes, the special word for white immigrants.
Sometimes you think you’ve seen it all. And then an American comes around and says: hold my beer
So your german is not the yellow from the egg?
The irony of this people… i hate immigrants so i become an immigrant
I was pleasantly surprised that OP actually knew Russian.
In their minds everything is probably cheaper in Switzerland too, because ""europoor."" They'd get a very rude awakening if they ever bothered to get a passport and travel there.
Learning the nuances of German phrases is no pony farm.
As a Russian, I'm laughing my ass off. Oh boy, this would've been fun if those guys actually tried to move to Russia and see what it's like to live there. Frankly, some do. It always ends up hilarious
Oh my god that reads like the onion
> says that cost of living in US is unbearable 


> plans to live in Sochi

Huh!?",2024-10-21 23:06:59,"surprise, disgust, joy, neutral, anger, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy"
N.B. votes 2024: Higgs loses own riding as PCs take devastating election blow  | Globalnews.ca,1g958nj,1448,"Title: N.B. votes 2024: Higgs loses own riding as PCs take devastating election blow  | Globalnews.ca

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Finally some decent political news in Canada.
As a BC resident, I really needed a win
I love that a hateful bigot lost!!!!! 

🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️
As an Ontarian, I’m hoping we can get rid of Daddy’s favorite sticker salesman in the next election.
Proud NBer here. This absolute jackass bragged about running massive budget surpluses fueled by a huge influx of new residents from Ontario/Quebec, while our healthcare and basic support services have been absolutely gutted, and we face the worst nurse burnout in the entire country and our rent/housing costs began to sore. Then, when people realized all this shit was happening despite record surpluses (and our industrial oligarch overlord Irving being allowed to operate rent free in the province), he tried to pivot into wedge culture war issues like PaReNtAl RiGhTs and gave all the oxygen in the room to bozos like Faytene Grassechi.

HAPPY TO REPORT East Coasters aren't that fucking stupid (at least not yet). Goodbye grampy Higgs, I hope the nurses in your long term care home forget to respond to your call button
He definitely wants to call a snap election before the federal election because as long as Trudeau is still PM Ford is basically guaranteed to win. Our populace is so fucking braindead.
As a Manitoban, I would like to be the first to welcome New Brunswick to the Cool Provinces Club
So glad the racist fuck is gone.
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May the door swing wide, that it might not hit him on the way out.


May this be the last we hear from him until fate tallies up the ledger and we read his obituary announcement sometime between next week and 2050.


May similar crushing personal rejections be visited on every last one of his fellow Conservative leaders across this country in years to come.
Always good time when hateful bigots go away
Good riddance to that conservative shitstain.
As ""hot"" as Conservative politics might be right now polling-wise, they're floundering badly in key battlegrounds across the country. Even a SaskParty victory is not a given at this juncture.
As a queer guy and a trans ally, I also love when bigots lose! 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️
The proud maritime PC tradition (that PC parties are socially liberal and fiscally conservative) is maintained. Get lost Higgs, and take your divisive rhetoric and policies with you.

May the NBPC take a hard look in the mirror and return to being a proper maritime PC party instead of larping as republicans.
Here's to NS following suit but with the NDP instead of the liberals taking power!
Fantastic. Canada is waking up.
The fuck we are. We are just ditching the incumbents. No matter what stripe they are.
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Did Faytene make it in?  I’m really hoping she doesn’t gain any sort of power in politics.  That would be legitimately terrifying.

Edit:  Whoohoo!!!  Well done NB:).",2024-10-22 00:26:53,"joy, anger, joy, disgust, joy, anger, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy,"
One day into early voting and they are already claiming the 2024 election is rigged.,1g9hq4j,25513,"Title: One day into early voting and they are already claiming the 2024 election is rigged.

Body: Misinformation campaign has begun. 
  
Trump has stated multiple times he won’t accept the results if he loses, MTG started complaining about voting machines three days ago and twitter is full of people now claiming that the voting machines are flipping their votes from Trump to Kamala in Texas.  
  
Infowars and other websites like it are pushing this same misinformation, sadly a lot of conservatives believe these reports are real and no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise.

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What the crap is that piece of paper even supposed to show?  It has several names on it and it's from 2019.  

I've done the poll worker job before.  Everyone is supposed to check their ballots before they turn them in to make sure that their votes are registered correctly.  Our training informed us that a shockingly low amount of people during controlled testing checked their ballots and noticed if there was a discrepancy.
I don’t know about your machines but here in Georgia they added a step at the end where it will NOT let you submit your vote until you preview it to make sure you voted the way you meant to. Then it prints the ballot and you can check it again before it goes to a tally box. How in the world would flipping votes occur
Yes, TARRANT COUNTY is part of the grand conspiracy to elect Kamala.

Dude... say Bexar or Harris or something... at least TRY to make your fake news sound plausible.
It's always the same pattern. Big swagger and claims about voter fraud on social media, press interviews and youtube videos. Get that 15min of fame. Then the feds and home land security roll up to investigate. Where lying to them will carry with it consequences like up to 5 years in jail and/or $250k level fine.

Oh surprise....... suddenly the story is different. Hum.. how strange.
It's the exact same here.
Doesn’t take much to convince people of something they already want to believe, the account that posted this has been retweeted by Paxton before so I assume that gives them credibility in MAGAs eyes
It's just propaganda being spit out by people panicking about record levels of early voting. At the location I went to yesterday, one of the poll workers came out and apologized to us for the wait because their machines were slow, and they weren't used to dealing with over 700 people showing up on the first day when they usually see less than 200 during early voting.

Guess I'm being downvoted by people that also don't want people to get out and vote lol
Yup, can confirm.  I early voted yesterday.  Was warned to double check my choices before printing, had to double check prior to printing, got to triple check printed ballot prior to submission.   

This is foreign interference attempting to sow domestic discord by undermining our elections.
If you listen to Trump and crew at all, Democrats are dumb and so inept they are ruining the country.........but also somehow are able to change votes in real time on individual ballots. The logical leaps that need to be made.
Okay so Trumpers should vote for Harris and that way the machine will flip it the other way right?
Not the mention, the photo used clearly isn’t Tarrant County because, though it is conveniently cut off, the county’s name ends with an e.
The people at the top know it’s a lie, the followers just believe the conspiracy runs so deep that nobody can be trusted and will turn on anyone who shows doubt. 
  
They turned on Ted Cruz during January 6th because  a piece of paper they found on his desk, they’ll even turn on their family, the only person they truly believe is Trump who is constantly lying to them
And the date is 2019
Sounds like people aren’t using the machines correctly. 

Also, you’re supposed to check your ballot before turning it in anyway. The poll workers will even tell you this. 
Same thing with lazy immigrants living on welfare but also taking all of our jobs
I literally just voted an hour ago. They had a man going through the line yelling ""CHECK YOUR VOTES ON THE BALLOT BEFORE YOU SUBMIT IT"". And to print it out, you have to confirm everything is right on the screen. If you got through that and still managed to vote for the wrong candidate, then I don't know what to tell you.
Yup, you have to check and confirm before it even prints it in the ballot. Then you’re encouraged to check it before feeding it into the machine. And I also wait for the final machine to confirm that it accepted my ballot before I walk away. There is usually an election worker right by that machine too, so if there is any discrepancy, it isn’t hard to flag someone down to report it. These people are bonkers.
This is probably husbands checking their wives ballots and the wives having to make something up when they voted D
I like your comment… and I so like seeing how many people have gotten out to vote…. The GOP in general is worried… they know they are on the losing side and supporting a mad man and his crazed supporters that have taken over their party…. And all in the name of their job… they kiss the ring and worship the false idol..
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What are you the most worried about happening if Donald Trump wins the 2024 Election?,1g9vri8,966,"Title: What are you the most worried about happening if Donald Trump wins the 2024 Election?

Body: There a lot of terrible things that will go down if Trump wins the upcoming election like Banning abortion nationwide, Pardoning all the January 6th Rioters, appoint two new conservative justices to replace Clarance Thomas and Samual Alito and Repealing the constitution. Which action are you the most worried about happening?

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His followers will become the equivalent of Hitler's Brown Shirts or Mao's Red Guards.
Donald Trump would be freshly armed with a Supreme Court ruling that gives the President near total immunity from prosecution.
Yes, the historic precedents are there. 
Fascism will be ratified as a viable electoral / campaign strategy forever-more. Even if the best-case scenario happens during the administration that will have happened on election day.
This and the JDV will be President before the first term is up. JDV is a puppet and will absolutely let Project 2025 happen.
Nazism 2.0, except this time with the strongest military in history and with nukes. There will be no one to stop them this time.
If you ever get a chance to watch a documentary on Hitler, please do.  The similarities are frightening.
I'm mostly worried about Project 2025 and Trump putting in enough people who coukd make the Seven Mountain Mandate a thing -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate
All of it. Every last thing. 

I’m a Canadian. Please USA. I don’t even know how this can be close.
Vance doesn't plan on being VP past the 48-hour mark on Inauguration Day. Trust. 

It's the reason he still has no idea of what the actual job of VP is. 

It's gotta be a shutout. The Electoral Count must be so damn clear that there's no actual feasible question as to its validity. 
Even then, the MAGAts are going to cry foul. 
Ugh.
Anyone who could have voted and didn’t is at fault you mean. I voted. I went door to door. I donated my time and money. The fuck else was I supposed to do?
""Don't worry about whether I'm informed; I am very informed."" That's the summary of the comment. There's very much reason to worry about a second Trump presidency.
I'm 55, have a military family, and have advanced degrees in the social sciences. Don't worry, I have read and watched a lot of history in my lifetime. 
The historic precedents are there *from five years ago*

""Proud Boys, stand back and stand by""
That he will try to abolish the 2 term limit and never leave.
Don't underestimate the damage even an out of shape person could cause with an AR-15 and a brain fried by divisive rhetoric and misinformation.
That Vance will invoke the 25th Amendment to replace tRump.
There won't be any more elections.  And we deserve it for letting it happen.
The end of the Constitution
I'll have to move away from my family when Trump starts rewarding MAGA for tips about disloyalty. My Dad would turn me in n a second for his Orange Lord.",2024-10-22 23:04:22,"fear, sadness, anger, disgust, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, anger, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear"
'This election is different': Bill Gates leaps into 2024 race with massive donation,1g9ymm8,4686,"Title: 'This election is different': Bill Gates leaps into 2024 race with massive donation

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Oooh, the antivax Trumpets are going to lose their minds over this.
MSFT vs TSLA

Begun, the megacap wars have
I don't want to hear any Republicans complain that Bill Gates is part of an evil conspiracy, when their billionaire guy has more money and is interfering in the election in unprecedented ways. 

Just massive, massive hypocrisy
As much as this seems a generous amount, one has to ask why the H*** did Mr. Gates wait until now - two weeks before the election - to offer support? Why wasn't he pouring in money months ago?
Probably because he, like the rest of us, is in shocked disbelief that Trump is still a viable candidate and in contention at this late stage.
Weird they aren't suspicious of the man putting actual chips in people
TSLA is a bug compared to MSFT.
Indeed. Evil Bill just got ultra super evil now. 
Cool, cancels out $50m of Elon Musk's shitmoney, much of which has been wasted by the looks of things.
and that is paying people to register/vote whatever it was (I'm not american, didn't understand exactly what he said he's paying for with those sweepstakes).

Like they have an actual immigrant trying to interfere with the elections and they don't bat an eye because he's on their side.
If only Leon were just a bug. At this point, he's a feature.
The conservative subreddits are already complaining. Its insane
Goooood goood. This pleases us Jewish space laser wielding alien lizard people big little brain hacker election riggers (aka leftists).
They always complain.
I feel like the last few weeks are most critical and he felt his donation was most impactful now.

Or maybe he finally got to the fundraising emails that Outlook's spam filters caught.
Bill vs Elon ohmygosh.
If anything MSFT's products work at least somewhat more reliably.
I thought we already made this mistake in 2016
Right On, Gates!

Own the vote.

VOTE!

Defeat these motherfuckers.
They're always massive hypocrites.",2024-10-23 01:22:43,"anger, surprise, disgust, neutral, joy, fear, sadness, neutral, joy, anger, surprise, disgust, joy, neutral, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy, anger, joy,"
I Don't Trust the Supreme Court With the 2024 Election,1ga7gc3,10342,"Title: I Don't Trust the Supreme Court With the 2024 Election

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I used to love reading SCOTUS decisions. The thinking and the rationale behind them could be both educating and enlightening. Now, they make me sick.
I know it sounds overdramatic but it really does feel like ""fall of the empire"" kind of stuff.  

When the highest point of the system that protects against corruption is corrupted, the credibility of the court will never return.  It will always *always* be subject to a political bias that can't be washed out.

It takes a lot of time to build what America was trying to be.  And just a few short years, a few evil minds, and *very* stupid, willing participants to tear it all down.
I wouldn't trust 6 out of 9 of the current SCOTUS Justices to correctly spell ""election"" without help
Yep.  When Thurgood Marshall had an opinion everyone shut the hell up.  You were about to learn something.
FFS. Can we all not admit at this point that the court has been corrupted? Between Thomas, his wife, his payoffs, Gorsuch and his million dollar home in Colorado? His wife? Alito? His wife? Opus Dei? Leonard Leo? 

And pretty much every decision they’ve made in the last 4 years? Trusting the Supreme Court is not a thing anymore. 

Of course they’ll decide for Trump. That’s the plan. It has been all along.
I don’t trust the Supreme Court. The GOP Justices are bought and paid for.
Right, and to think we are living through it. It's mind-boggling and depressing as hell. I mean, my children have fewer rights than I did growing up. Abortion access was a right. The GOP took that away. I've been debating what to do if Trump does win or steals power. Fight it or get the fuck out. I'm at get the fuck out, with my wife, and if they want, my five grown children. Start over somewhere else. After 50 years of living in the US, 35 years of working my butt off cause I was told if I did that I'd have a great life, I'm fucking pissed as hell. At my parents for always voting republican. At society for hiding the truth about our country. At people here who just don't seem to care. I've had my fill of this crap.
Alright, Mr. Thomas. Lets try a simple word. President. Spell ""PRESIDENT""

K-I-N-

Alright, I think we've got a problem here.
You want to see a revolution? That's how you'll get one. They'll fall in line because they know the repercussions of disenfranchising millions of Americans. Even myself, I'm a rather tame individual but if they try to fuck us over then I'd be taking to the streets. The civil unrest would be unfathomable.
I hear you.  It's so depressing.  I used to believe in people.  I thought everyone was inherently good and ignorance was the problem.  That we could just educate ourselves to a better world.  Covid quickly disabused me of that.

What's frustrating is that without anyone staying to fight, America doesn't stand a chance.  When evil stays and good flees, what hope is left?  On the other hand, I don't blame you one iota.  I'd leave too.  A nation of utter fucking imbeciles.  A literal rapist on the supreme court.  Hundreds of years of the stupidest, ignorant race politics and conspiracies.  Literally resurfaced nazism.  Anti-intellectuallism and book burnings.  Religious zealots funded by slaver billionaires.  Literal goons and mob bosses at the helm.

It feels like fighting the tide with a paper cup.  It makes me think that humanity just can't have good things.  

I'm Canadian but I'm very nervous for your election in two weeks.  I feel like it's a pivotal point in human history.
Same. Alito quoting pre-enlightenment political theory was chilling.
It would seem the federalist society and those pulling the strings want exactly this. To reset the clock, abandon law, incite chaos while the wealthiest amount use rob us blind both civilly and financially.

Help us all if a terrorist attack occurs up until inauguration day and they blame it on either side of the isle or both.
Wasn't Scalia preparing all these current justices with his opinions?
You're so right, and it's a very good point.  

I feel like the 2000's and handing the country to Bush was a swinging moment in global history where the future of the world went from an inevitable advancement to an inevitable decline.  Socially, politically, economically, culturally.  We went from a people who responded to the Ozone crisis by listening to experts...to responding to the climate crisis by screaming at experts.

The SC has made some atrocious decisions and interfered terribly in the past.  I guess it just feels so extreme now given how brazen it is.  They literally took away rights from women based on exactly the kind of religious bile that the founding fathers warned was America's enemy from the beginning.

It feels particularly profane since it's so antithetical to what America was meant to be.  It feels now more perverse than ever.
Remember: 
  
Gifting High-end Motor homes = free speech.
> When the highest point of the system that protects against corruption is corrupted, the credibility of the court will never return. It will always always be subject to a bias that can't be washed out.

You say that as if SCOTUS making choices based blatantly on politics/bias over facts of law is just a recent thing. That has been going on my whole life and well before my life as well. 

I agree that it ""feels worse"" right now with the obvious bad faith rulings we have had since 2016. But the USA SCOTUS has mired in the muck many times before now.
I wouldn’t trust SCOTUS to pick up my mail while I was on vacation.
Do not assume these people are dumb. They are all very smart. The problem is they are evil and them being smart makes them dangerous.
If you hop over to r_Louisiana sub there is a photo of the Louisiana Supreme Court with Louisiana spelled wrong (“Louisana”) in massive letters projected on curtains behind the Justices.
> Gifting High-end Motor homes 

""AcTuALlY, It's a MotOR CoacH""

-Clarence Thomas",2024-10-23 10:43:21,"anger, disgust, fear, sadness, neutral"
Will Women Decide the 2024 Election?,1gabaxh,1288,"Title: Will Women Decide the 2024 Election?

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Women had better and get their men in the voting line too you can not have a United States with fewer reproductive rights than some third world countries
When will men realize if P2025 takes away birth control, they’ll have to pay for many more babies or not get laid???   After 7 children my grandfather lived in a different bedroom!  That was reality in the 40s and 50s and a lot of the 60s and 70s. Then we couldn’t prove whose baby it was though and a lot of women just didn’t receive child support.  Bunch of idiots.
You think these guys will be ok if their porn gets taken away? Because P2025 will also ban porn.
After the Dobbs decision was handed down in 2022, anti-abortion referendums in Kansas, California, Vermont, Michigan, Kentucky, and Montana were soundly defeated by huge female voter turnout.

No reason to think that their rage over having their reproductive rights ripped away has diminished during the past 2-1/2 years. They will 100% be determining the outcome of this election.
If the young female voters actually turn out to vote, maybe. The problem seems to be getting them to vote, even with their rights on the line, and I say this as a millennial.
Clearly! Men have messed this country up long enough.
It will also completely destroy the gaming industry. Games like *Baldur’s Gate 3* or *World of Warcraft* would probably just be taken offline. Not to mention that a lot of developers, programmers, ect. are LGBT.

Not even sure what’s left then. Aren’t violent videogames also on the P2025 shitlist?
I told my husband if Trump wins, we aren’t having any kids (I can’t imagine having complications and being turned away because of the barbaric laws) . He came to vote with me day 1.
If they show up in large numbers. 
What?
Lol don't worry, they're projecting. Every accusation is a confession
I’m preparing for the worst, while hoping for the best. 

We’ve allowed misogyny and misogyny based beliefs to run amuck in  this country  masking them as other peoples freedoms for far too long. Our constitution supports this belief of mine. Our freedoms stop at the point it hurts others, and misogyny hurts others. It should be rooted out and burned to the ground and every institution that supports its. We are humans, we are capable
We’re On the cusp of Boomers/Gen X, and I already voted early and my wife’s absentee ballot is still sitting on her counter!! I did all the work to request it as well as will take it to the mailbox. But she’s dragging her feet on it. But she KNOWS we can’t have Trump in office! So fill out the form and let’s get this done more for her rights than mine! I don’t understand why this wouldn’t be the biggest 10 minute priority in her life right now!
Women are deciding the election. Because zero women, and ALL girls that have been raped by their daddy, uncle or some rando on the street abhor being Forced-birth raped by the government. 

This sort of dehumanization is intolerable and worth of any and all resistance and subsequent blowback. 

The wrath of women, 50.5, percent of the population scorned is real. 
 ♀️✊🏿✊🏽✊🏻
Right, I forget about the Planned Parenthood flight division—quick ladies, scramble! We’re gonna GO SAVE THE WOMEN OF GAZA!!!

The fuck you expect Planned Parenthood to do, bud? 😂
Guns would get stripped from anyone that’s not the most loyal boot licker. They’re planning an authoritarian styled takeover after all.
I think a lot of women will be voting in the US elections this year. Many are pissed about the loss of abortion access.
Dobbs didn't happen until 2022, Cletus.

Far more women are voting in this election than in 2020. Ignore them at your own peril.

Trump lost 2024 the second the Dobbs decision was handed down.
I expect us to;. but guys, you need to stand with your women ... your wives, your SOs, your sisters, your sisters in law, your daughters. 

Medical care isn't a female/male issue ... our very lives depend on it.

Vote Blue top down, nationally, state, county, municipal, and judiciary.
I’m none of those and I’m voting for kamala.",2024-10-23 14:01:48,"anger, fear, disgust, joy, sadness, surprise, neutral"
I Don’t Trust the Supreme Court With the 2024 Election,1gaf40x,10010,"Title: I Don’t Trust the Supreme Court With the 2024 Election

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Thats why dems have to get out and vote in such huge numbers, that there isn't any wiggle room for them to even make a challenge.
Wiggle room or not, they will challenge everything and make as many problems as they can.
Only 2024? You guys trusted SCOTUS after Bush v Gore? They literally said ""This one time, we get to ignore the will of the people to decide the president"" for the 2000 election.
Of course. But those challenges will be much less successful if she wins by a massive margin. We MUST VOTE in historic numbers.
>You guys trusted SCOTUS after Bush v Gore?

That was the inflection point where we broke off from the better timeline
If Trump gets into office the Supreme Court will likely move almost entirely to the far right. This is the same Supreme Court that took away women's reproductive rights. Are you willing to risk it going further to the right? 

I suggest you read up on Weimar Germany and what happened after Hitler took power.
Damn that is depressing but true. Imagine 8 years of Al Gore pushing the green initiative hard.
Agreed! My county has a Republican following for Kamala because Trump lost them.
So January 6th and Dobbs meant nothing? Because in order to believe that Harris at best will only match Biden in 2020, you also have to believe January 6th and Dobbs had no electoral impact.
He gave a talk on climate science and DSCOVR at work a week or two ago, and holy shit I really wish that guy could have been president
No one should trust Leonard Leo's judges, especially after the multiple times this year that they've gone out of their way to help trump. trump isn't even campaigning\* because he knows he has an ace in the hole.

It's absurd that judges are supposed to be impartial while all Republican-nominated federal judges come from Leonard Leo's bullpen.

\*Whining is not campaigning. Politicians campaign to grow their support; trump isn't even trying in that regard.
Especially considering the alternative. People seem to forget that Bush Jr was easily the worst modern POTUS, until Trump came along.
They matter a lot; they're just offset somewhat by people that don't understand what inflation is, and young men scared by the political power of young women.
FFS. Can we all not admit at this point that the court has been corrupted? Between Thomas, his wife, his payoffs, Gorsuch and his million dollar home in Colorado? His wife? Alito? His wife? Opus Dei? Leonard Leo?

And pretty much every decision they’ve made in the last 4 years? Trusting the Supreme Court is not a thing anymore.

Of course they’ll decide for Trump. That’s the plan. It has been all along.
I don’t trust the Supreme Court. The GOP Justices are bought and paid for.
I don’t trust this Supreme Court with a parking ticket.
I do not trust the current SCOTUS - period. 3-members seated by a treasonous convicted felon should all be impeached.
But there will not be a landslide. We can count ourselves lucky if Harris gets a similar result to Biden in 2020; and we‘d have cause for huge celebrations if the Dems manage to keep the Senate. Though that’s highly unlikely.

What there won’t be is some sort of massive blue wave.

I hope I‘m wrong.
I really think it’s possible I have never seen so many people interested in politics for the right reasons and most of them are fed up with Trump. Kamala’s campaign is also huge and non stop.
Yep, this really is the most surefire way to avoid anything ridiculous.

Some things that might help ease minds, at least a little bit:

- Trump is not the current President, and the executive branch will not be manipulated by him. Kamala Harris will certify the election. That alone is a massive difference between 4 years ago in terms of interference.  
- Many legal efforts will happen at the state level, and most of the swing states have Democratic Governors, AGs, Secretaries of State, and faithless elector laws.
- In GA, where there aren't Dem top officials, there's at least Brad Raffensperger and Kemp who aren't going to bend the knee to Trump. The GA courts have also stayed the ridiculous board rules.
- A contingent election is extremely unlikely.
- The same Supreme Court shut down the ridiculous Trump-backed Texas lawsuit in 2020, and his own hand-picked lower court justices laughed his frivolous lawsuits out of court.

But.. I'm still wary and we're bound to see something. The most worrying scenario IMO is still a Bush v Gore repeat scenario, where one deciding state is shockingly close and a dispute over a recount or valid ballots works its way up the courts.

Like you said - as long as there's a sound victory, hopefully in multiple states, that'll make it much much harder for these efforts to work.",2024-10-23 16:41:17,"fear, anger, sadness, distrust, hope"
Michelle Obama votes by mail in Election 2024,1gbd2t9,67779,"Title: Michelle Obama votes by mail in Election 2024

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She looks 50 and 25 at the same time.
Apparently Michelle Obama has gotten younger since leaving the White House
Given that she's 60 years old, those are both pretty big compliments.
She absorbed the years from Barack 
If I ran across this lady on the street, there’s no way I would think she’s 60 years old. Tim Walz is 60 years old, and he looks like he’s ready for his early bird dinner.
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Well it's working because she looks great!!
God I miss the Obamas, what a sh*tshow it has become since they left
She looks completely unrecognizable to me with that hairstyle. I had to check her instagram to believe this was her.
I thought this was her daughter for a second
Being a high school teacher is going to age you like a pair of Tattooinian suns
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my whole household sent our votes in days ago. in WA mail in is the standard. you automatically get sent a ballot.  it's fantastic. you get a pamphlet on the issues a week or so before the ballot. you have time to read about them and look up the people you are voting for. voting doesn't have to be hard.
I was gonna say *thats* Michelle Obama *now*???

She must be draining poor Barack’s life force somehow because she hasn’t changed.
Obligatory, black don’t crack comment.
I love Obama but the presidency definitely cracked his black, it's a damn rough job.
God, yes. Merely pushing for healthier foods was tyrannical government to them. Such fucking clowns
I wonder who she voted for.
Barack honestly looks good. The presidency aged him really fast but since 2016 he has barely changed
Meanwhile Stephen Miller has looked like a 50 year old serial killer since he was 30. 

It’s the Dark Side of the Force. It rots you from the inside.",2024-10-24 20:52:08,"joy, surprise, neutral, disgust, sadness, anger, neutral, surprise, neutral, joy, neutral, anger, disgust, neutral, surprise, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral, neutral,"
2024 Election SpongeBob Edition,1gd1onf,1625,"Title: 2024 Election SpongeBob Edition

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This post will definitely be used by Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert on their awesome relevant TV shows.
I feel like Squidward should be in ""No, why would I vote""
wait till this gets took down, its interesting, but political
I will never look at Stephen Colbert the same way after Skibidi Biden, not that I was a fan in the first place tbh
Sandy is a scientist that’s employed through university research grants. She’d definitely vote for Harris.
I somehow doubt Sandy would vote for Harris. She's a country girl Texan through and through. She'd probably vote for the Libertarian party.
Squidward would totally not attend work to vote.
Fair enough but I feel if she had to pick she might lean more towards Harris, since she seems to value science a lot and other important issues
It’s just for fun
Wasn’t that made specifically to make fun of Biden’s out-of-touch marketing team?
Plenty if you consider the total number but statistics and election day to show that most scientists vote Democrat.
Yeah could be
Fair but this one is actually fun and not really controversial
Then ignore the political posts
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36254166/#:~:text=To%20learn%20more%20about%20scientists,to%20Republicans%20in%20recent%20years.

Only about 6% of scientists in the United States are members of the Republican Party. 55% of members of the Democrats.

And scientists is a job title so it's probably people who have that job title
Mr. Krabs wouldn't vote or let his employees go vote because that'd mean losing money
And then not vote either -eheh heh heh hehhh
This is for fun and ya’ll treat this like it’s a big deal
That's just not even true and also professors aren't scientists? Who the hell do you think is doing the research at universities? What was Albert Einstein's actual occupation? He was a university lecturer. Robert Oppenheimer was a university lecturer. Isaac Newton was in university lecturer. Most of the great scientific minds of the past 300 years have been University professors. Yes there are plenty of Darwin's and Gregor Mendel's who were not University professors but they're the exception to the rule.

Professorships are literally won and lost, based on Research.


It's comments like that to show you have no idea what you're talking about.

Seriously imagine thinking grad students and University professors aren't core fundamental elements to the American Scientific industrial complex. And that they're not scientists

Also the paper literally says that scientists are overwhelmingly Democratic supporters so I don't even know what you're lying about
Fuck off then",2024-10-27 03:03:40,"joy, anger, surprise, neutral, disgust, anger, neutral, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger,"
Presidential predictor Allan Lichtman stands by call that Harris will win 2024 election ,1ge9woo,20074,"Title: Presidential predictor Allan Lichtman stands by call that Harris will win 2024 election 

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I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face:

Legalized political gambling ruined the reliability of polling.  You can trade future odds now, which means every outlier is a payday for somebody.

The final ruling legalizing political markets just happened this month.

EDIT: I’m not saying this is election interference.  I’m saying these markets created a grift that turns hot takes and outliers into paydays.
My belief is that Trump has done very little to pick up votes since last election, except for some extreme Christian ideas.  He has not opened his tent much, if not lost a good chunk of old school Republicans.  Every week Trump calls a new part of America a trash place.  He has vile rhetoric towards immigrants, in a country full of immigrants and children of immigrants that are eligible to vote.

Meanwhile Harris has pulled in endorsement from dozens of high profile candidates, has had a very optimistic campaign slogan (We Vote, We Win or A New Way Forward), and has been centrist enough to pull in a lot of independents and undecideds.  

All logic says Harris will win.  But the big IF is IF the country isn’t as vile as Trump’s rhetoric.  If we are a society dominated by hatred, Trump will win.
i got even my nuts crossed.
I cant believe how I forgot about this with the people saying the betting markets keep favoring Trump. The only idiots that are gonna bet money on an election are people that Trump caters too. You know what moves the odds in betting markets? EVERYONE BETTING ONE SIDE. It's why Spreads on Monday before a NFL Sunday move 1-2 points by game time.
I seriously think the media is trying to make it sound closer than it is so they still get their views and clicks. It can’t be close. It just can’t.

To be clear, VOTE. I voted the very first day early voting was available in my state. But I still don’t think it’s close.
It’s close. Your vote matters more than it ever has.

We could all use a reminder of some of the things Trump has done:

1.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Lost the election and lied about it.
2.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sent an armed angry mob to Congress and told them they need to fight like hell.
3.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Approved of the mob saying “hang Mike Pence”.
4.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A court of law found that he committed sexual assault.
5.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A court of law found that he defrauding his university students.
6.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A court of law found that he fraudulently inflated his assets to get favorable loans.
7.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Admitted to walking in on pageant contestants’ dressing rooms to see them nude.
8.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Raped and beat Ivana Trump.
9.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Stole from a kids’ cancer charity.
10.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Received $413 million inheritance despite claims that he’s a self made man.
11.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Blocked his chronically ill infant nephew from getting any of that inheritance.
12.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Is the first president to receive votes against him from his own party during impeachment.
13.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Led us into being one of the worst hit during Covid despite our head start and resources, leading to high inflation.
14.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Said the Democrats do better with the economy.
15.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Was ranked as the worst president in history by bipartisan presidential historians.
16.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Pushed a plot to have fake votes created and then used to make him President despite losing the election.
17.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ordered republicans to block a bipartisan immigration bill so Biden would not get a win before the election.
18.	⁠⁠Implemented a policy to separate kids from their parents at the border.
19.	⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Is a convicted felon guilty of falsifying records to influence an election.
20.	⁠⁠⁠Told the Department of Justice to “just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.”
21.	⁠⁠⁠His VP, Mike Pence said Trump should never be president again, and that Trump asked him to put himself “above the Constitution”.

Sources:

1.	⁠⁠https://apnews.com/article/trump-2020-election-lies-debunked-4fc26546b07962fdbf9d66e739fbb50d
2.	⁠⁠https://www.npr.org/2022/06/28/1108387054/trump-said-he-knew-jan-6-crowd-members-had-weapons-ex-white-house-aide-testified
3.	⁠⁠https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/us/politics/trump-pence-jan-6.html
4.	⁠⁠https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a4b98bb3947d42af9ec83d7db
5.	⁠⁠https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/judge-finalizes-25-million-settlement-victims-donald-trumps/story?id=54347237
6.	⁠⁠https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-letitia-james-new-york-engoron-38bc3a7f2ccb22555c026e9bf70fd5bb
7.	⁠⁠https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/former-miss-arizona-trump-came-strolling-right-in-to-miss-usa-dressing-room/
8.	⁠⁠https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/24/documenting-trumps-abuse-of-women
9.	⁠⁠https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/12/23/best-stories-of-the-decade-how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/
10.	⁠⁠https://apnews.com/article/0452d29cd2564eaf97605ab90acc3a67
11.	⁠⁠https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trumps-spiteful-attack-on-nephews-chronically_b_57a249d1e4b0456cb7e14fbc/amp
12.	⁠⁠https://www.vox.com/2020/2/5/21125118/mitt-romney-impeachment-vote-history
13.	⁠⁠https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-maps-and-cases/
14.	⁠⁠https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/11/07/trump-is-right-about-one-thing-the-economy-does-better-under-the-democrats/
15.	⁠⁠https://www.axios.com/2024/02/19/presidents-survey-trump-ranks-last-biden-14th
16.	⁠⁠https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-jan-6-investigation-fake-electors-608932d4771f6e2e3c5efb3fdcd8fcce
17.	⁠⁠https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/27/trump-border-biden/
18.	⁠⁠https://www.foxnews.com/politics/more-than-900-children-separated-at-border-since-judge-ordered-practice-curtailed-aclu.amp
19.	⁠⁠https://apnews.com/article/trump-trial-deliberations-jury-testimony-verdict-85558c6d08efb434d05b694364470aa0
20.	⁠⁠https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-elections-donald-trump-campaigns-presidential-4e7e68e2ff57aadd96d09c873a43a317
21.	⁠⁠https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/06/07/pence-says-trump-should-never-be-president-again-launching-2024-bid-with-potent-attacks/

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With a race this tight, we must also acknowledge many of the people who refused covid vaccinations and died as a result since November 2020 were the most rabid republicans/conservatives.
So he was actually correct, because Gore did win in 2000, but SCOTUS stole it from him and gave it to Bush.

Gore got more votes in Florida but they stopped the count.

So when they try the same thing this year don't be shocked.
To be clear though, the biggest market a lot of GOP are paying attention to is Polymarket, which people in the United States are not able to use. So they're taking skewed information from foreigners wasting a lot of money.
He's one of the most accurate election data interpreters around. And interestingly, none of that data is from polls. Instead, he has a whole system that estimates the impact of different types of events and even types of candidates. His process seems pretty subjective, but he gets results either way.
Important thing to note, I’m pretty sure the only one he failed to call is 2000, but even then he called Gore winning the popular vote
Exactly. What Biden voter in 2020 is going to flip to Trump in 2024? There was a higher risk of not voting if Biden stayed in the race but Harris has lit a fire under the democrats to donate and vote! 

Look at all the state level elections in swing states. Polls show Democrats are leading.
I’ve read up a little bit on how he pulls the data and uses key factor def interesting. The only one he’s gotten wrong was bush v gore which many would argue he got it right.
Polymarket makes it worse.

They unlike other books have no limit on how much you can bet. So someone if they wanted to (and they did) could spend millions on betting for Trump and that will move the line on all books.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.fox5dc.com/news/presidential-predictor-allan-lichtman-stands-call-harris-will-win-2024-election.amp) reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)
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> Expert historian and American University professor Allan Lichtman has called the winner of nearly every presidential election since the 1980s and made his final prediction saying Vice President Kamala Harris will win the 2024 election back in September.

> WASHINGTON - Allan Lichtman, a historian and professor at American University known for accurately predicting presidential elections, is standing by his call that Vice President Kamala Harris will win the 2024 election.

> Just over one week out from the election, Lichtman says barring a &quot;Catastrophic&quot; incident, he&#039;s sticking with his call and continues to believe Harris will take the White House.


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He got it right.  The SC got it wrong.  Objectively.
People who think the president controls egg prices or hate immigrants
IMO there are three major issues with using gambling as a meaningful indicator of what is happening with this election cycle. I write this as someone that gambles on football but not politics. 

-Gambling is predominantly done by men. Men are also the group more likely to vote for Trump. Gambling on politics is mostly a reactive gut feeling instead of rational. So it stands to reason you have more male Trump voters thinking that they know better than polling or other bettors that are putting their money into gambling. Additionally, on the fence bettors often jump in when odds are shifting a lot. 

-Book makers have no side in this. They are strictly trying to balance payouts on either side and pocket the money in the middle. The book I use currently has the MNF as Giants +6 at -110 and the Steelers as -6 at -110. The -110 means for a $110 bet you win $100. Therefore the odds makers want to have equal potential payouts do they can keep the 10% in the middle. Their role is facilitator and not taking a side. Taking a side opens you up to risk. While poly markets are taking less vig than a typical book they are still bound by the fundamental rules of normal book makers. 

-Lastly, there have been very large money bets on Trump that caused the market to shift. From articles I’ve read one unknown bettor has placed at least 7.5M in bets on Trump and potentially up to 20M. Elon Musk will spend that 7.5M in a week giving money away in his lottery scheme. Why wouldn’t he or someone like him spend the same amount to vastly move the betting market (as I’ve laid out above) and then have articles written about how Trump is destroying in betting markets? We assume that all bettors are making a rational bet they hope to win, but what if someone was spending money in betting markets with the intention of that being an advertising spend?
Assuming Harris wins... And it will be by a sliver, it would be interesting to see how many Republican/Trump voters died from covid after vaccines were available in Penn, Wis, Michigan etc and see if it was more than her margin.
Cross em one more time for extra luck",2024-10-28 18:50:47,"anger, disgust, fear, neutral"
Selena Gomez has cast her vote for the 2024 election before attending the ‘Wizards Beyond Waverly Place’ premiere. ,1geimze,14933,"Title: Selena Gomez has cast her vote for the 2024 election before attending the ‘Wizards Beyond Waverly Place’ premiere. 

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Man that is a STUNNING dress. Kind of wish she’d saved it for the globes or something.
Are American ballot boxes just chilling unguarded like trash cans?
I literally just got off the phone with mom five mins ago who told me someone lit some on fire in Oregon and I was like how could that even happen? Now I know.
I always like having something to do/a little treat after voting as well. My things are usually a bit more lowkey, though 😞
I want to look that hot when I vote
Washington AND Oregon, as of half an hour ago :|
Right?? That dress is perfect for awards season
That’s so crazy to me. Even pre poll in my country is done in a building with multiple officials around to help and to make sure people put the right ballots in the right box.
The way I’m doing another 180 on her in the best way 👏🏾👏🏾
I mean the rest of our nation is, why NOT the ballot boxes too? 🚮
WEAR RED. VOTE BLUE.

Stunning dress-- can't wait to see the pics on the fashion subs!!!
And Arizona a few days ago.
Agreed! We vote at the library and after I voted I checked out a stack of books and then got a fancy coffee
But you guys have security theatre coming out of the yingyang. Metal detectors at concerts. Metal detectors at schools! I can’t go to so much as a baseball game in the US without having to buy a special very specifically-sized see-through bag. How the hell is this the thing you decide doesn’t need protection?  
Kinda depends but yeah some of the drop boxes are like this. Where I live the only one I know of is in the city near the board of elections so not really guarded but also in a fairly trafficked area. 

Prior to recent elections though I don't think the concept of dropping off your mail in ballot was politicized so nobody was going after them really.
Nobody is stopping you, I just ordered a classy outfit to wear to my next dropoff!

I may not be Selena, but dammit, I'm beautiful!
No, she’s wearing it for the Wizards Beyond Waverly Place premiere

It’s right in the title
In Australia, we have a thing called a democracy sausage at some of our polling places. So basically a BBQ and you can buy a sausage in bread after voting
It is a sequel/spin-off series, it revolves around Justin's family and his new protege. Alex Russo in this series just a recurring character.
There's a Wizard sequel movie? I wonder if anyone else remembers the *intense* Justin/Alex shipping that went on during that show's run.",2024-10-29 01:07:27,"joy, surprise, sadness, anger, neutral, disgust, joy, surprise, joy, neutral, joy, joy, joy, joy, neutral, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, surprise, joy, joy,"
2024 elections if Destiny had released his J6 video,1gfe5dp,3247,"Title: 2024 elections if Destiny had released his J6 video

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This is honestly a pretty big fuck up. I’m disappointed. Destiny needs a better manager, that video was important.
Is it not coming
He said on stream today (yesterday now) that he thinks the only way it’s get out before Election Day is if they cut out a lot of important stuff. He’s considering making it a two part video to get some of it out before then, but obviously I assume most of us just want the one singular video as an easy citation to use.
It's fucking embarrassing. Destiny is a media professional, understands how long turn-around takes, and still didn't get this done. *Perfect* being the enemy of *good enough*.

People don't know about the elector scheme. That's all it had to cover.

EDIT: I got permabanned for this.
Yep, it was one of his most important projects, nobody fucking cares about the video after the election, it's too late.

Edit: my first ban, based
Too bad he’s too fucking busy with Python coding
He needs to put out one that says what happened in a succinct even surface level manner, stating just the facts and preferably the most egregious ones. Get a good narrator and some cute simple infographics.

 Cite all sources in the description. Then he needs to put out a part 2 that goes further in depth, like way further in depth and gets into all of the meat cites all the details etc. 

That way the regards can just watch the simple one with the pretty infographic, and anyone that wants to know facts can find the sources and cross check and then watch the second video when It drops. 

I also think having the script or text document with his massive timeline accessible would be a good idea. (Effectively a way to dumb down all the citations and make the entire story more digesable)

I also agree with turkey tom 🦃 and think at least the first video needs to be completely divorced from destiny and his brand as so many people have destiny derangement syndrome.
I’m sure he’ll get it right by the next presidential election for that coup video, come on. It was a one time, big opportunity, and it’s disappointing that he missed it.
Flip it red and this would be the outcome if women didn't vote.
https://preview.redd.it/gfkpqwf27vxd1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=642d5b003eaae0fffc50db2f583a803d782cd014
You don't understand. It's not like he had 4 years to do this, and also wasted hours upon hours doing useless dailies.

Edit: Based perma ban for light criticism
Bro, I actually feel bad for him. So many hours of research, so many debates, so many resources pumped into this thing, so much time... And it won't be out for the MOST IMPORTANT EVENT ?

Sad that things turned out this way. Sad that he even needed to do this much research to understand/digest everything in an easy enough manner for the layman who won't be able to watch it on time to be convinced who to vote.
It is unprofessional. He looks regarded, the election is less than a week away and all i’ve seen from him is Hasan stuff. Cringe

edit: Perma’d omegalul
I like where your head's at but sadly I don't expect that much production value out of Destiny... I mean cmon this really shoulda been pulled together before the election with how long hes been working on it

Edit: r/destiny has permabanned me for some constructive criticism i guess
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When you see what an obvious shitshow the podcast studio continues to be after god knows how many episodes, this isn’t at all surprising.

EDIT: also appear to be perma banned for this!
He wasted so many hours doing the dailies. Rip video!
The clip crew were equally saddened by the news. And remain ready to help behind the scenes however we can. 

Destiny still did a lot of good work going over J6 and that still had a large effect on this election. 

I hope I can have the honor of calling in tomorrow sometime and share heavy opposition rescearch on Trump that dwarfs most things out there. As well as touching on the powerful narratives he's woven to appear as the ""President of peace"" etc

I almost died in a cult and my work was designed specifically for his dire supporters. 

Hold your heads up, lads, and do whatever you can in these final days. Regardless of the results of this election, we will press on. 

Urah

u/neodestiny
With all due respect you have too much faith in streamers/youtubers. The fact that Destiny is organized and disciplined enough to due research and regularly go around and debate/discuss with people is already impressive and extreme outlier. With no disrespect to anyone people in this job aren't used to deadlines and time management and many are incredibly lazy. Look at Vaush he used to go out more but lately he just sits at home, does zero research, and just goes on rants about topics he barely understands and fights with his chat. 

Realistically it should have been ready two weeks ago. Especially because with projects like these Destiny would need to watch it and probably make some tweaks and send it back to be refined one way or the other. We also have not seen or heard anything about the Israel trip documentary. 

With channels that often make high level documentary styled content regularly Abroad in Japan, BEFRS, and even Johnny Harris they have dedicated teams who know what to do, slowly built up over time, and don't expect things to work with such little leeway.
This is the first time he's tackled something in this format, so it's perfectly understandable for the time frame to be misjudged. Chill.",2024-10-30 04:06:44,"disappointment, anger, frustration, sadness, empathy, hope"
"In the 2024 Election, the Green Party Is Not the Green Choice",1gflwc2,7041,"Title: In the 2024 Election, the Green Party Is Not the Green Choice

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Green Party is the biggest disappointment of the decade.
More than a decade; some of us haven't forgotten the Ralph Nader debacle in 2000. Imagine what we could have accomplished with Al freakin Gore, aka Mr. Inconvenient Truth, leading the country in 2001-2004--and especially without the quagmire in Iraq. We'd be in a much stronger position now. 97000 votes for Nader in Florida, and only a 537-vote margin between Bush and Gore.
A vote for Green Party is a vote for trump, who has a plan for environmental destruction
In Arizona we have an extremely pivotal race that’s going to determine whether we hit net zero or don’t. Our public utility board is elected, the majority of the board are up for reelection in 2024 (3/5 members). It currently has a republican majority (4/5) who voted to gut energy efficiency rules, eliminate our renewable energy standard, and raise prices for consumers on rooftop solar. 

We have three candidates, if elected, who would reverse the trend, foster more renewable energy, phase out coal, and give ratepayers relief from rate increases. They have been campaigning hard, building connections across communities in our state, and stand a reasonable chance of getting elected. We need all three elected. If we just get one or two, there will be no climate change mitigation for Arizona. 

And then we have the greens… 

The Green Party, despite having a race with three open seats, fielded two candidates. Their campaigns have been absolutely non-serious. They have not had campaign events, they did not provide candidate statements through Arizona Clean Elections mailers, they did not provide cover photos, they did not set up a website. What they did do is set up a Facebook page one month before the election. The content mentions climate change as an important issue, then talks about Gaza and Israel’s occupation of Palestine, issues that resonate with progressives, but have nothing to do with public utility regulation. 

My fear is that all the get out the vote efforts will lead to more green votes, causing republicans to get the plurality and win the election. People will see a Facebook post with nice statements, and vote for a choice designed to redirect them from supporting serious candidates who will make meaningful contributions if elected. 

Do not vote green. No politician ever acted the way you wanted because you made a protest vote. A vote for green is a vote for big oil, fracking, and indefinite coal use. They are an absolute mess, run completely non-serious campaigns designed to tip elections in favor of fossil fuel candidates, and a complete disaster for climate. 
Bush stole the election and more Democrat voters flopped to Republicans than Nader voters existed, the lengths y’all go to direct anger AWAY from the powerful is astonishing! 

Complete historical revisionism.
They never really finished counting Florida, but if they had then Gore likely would have won anyway.
You don't understand how US elections work... It is either Harris or Trump. I think it is a bad system, but whining about it doesn't change the fact.
Everyone should ask themselves this question during Election Month:

  
""What does the US Green Party do the other 11 Months of the year"".

  
The answer, as you state so eloquently: Not a damn thing.
Jill Stein is literally receiving support from Republicans PACs and the Kremlin. Unreal.
No, Bush lost Florida they just refused to accept the recount
It's not the green choice because that's not one of the options on the table. 
Biden/Harris and the Democratic congress of 2021-2022 got the IRA done--the biggest ever investment into clean energy and energy efficiency! As VP, Kamala Harris cast the deciding vote to pass it. And as a result, the country has vastly stepped up its progress in abandoning fossil fuels. 

Trump has vowed to kill the IRA, the core of America's climate-change agenda. If he can't kill it, he'll use the power of the presidency to undermine it. And if his first term is any guide, he will sabotage plenty of other environmental protections, and do everything he can to promote fossil fuels.

The only way these environmental protections stay in place is if Kamala Harris is elected. Staying home or voting for any other candidate is effectively a vote for a hotter planet.
> Tell that to the 300,000 Democrats and 190,000 ""self-identified Liberals"" who voted for Bush.

They didn't pretend to care for the climate.
> Bush stole the election and more Democrat voters flopped to Republicans than Nader voters existed,


Bush won Florida by 530 votes, while Ralph Nader got 97,500 votes in Florida. 


But please, accuse us of historical revisionism. 
Jill Stein is a Russian asset.
That's a very USA centric take. Please add that to the title. There are many green parties all over the world
They don't even show up outside of the presidential elections, have no idea what they're doing the other three years besides collecting checks from Russia.
Yeah, the Supreme Court was. In all likelihood Gore won the vote.
> Gore lost, because he wasn’t as popular.

He was more popular. He literally won the popular vote.
It’s been Green as in the slang term for money  (Greenbacks) for quite some time now.",2024-10-30 12:58:25,"anger, fear, disgust, anger, anger, fear, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, disgust, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger,"
"Susan B. Anthony, Rochester, N.Y., October 30, 2024. Don't worry, both her and her sister Mary S. Anthony's stone one over are encased in plexiglass during elections for this reason.",1gg8u4v,16056,"Title: Susan B. Anthony, Rochester, N.Y., October 30, 2024. Don't worry, both her and her sister Mary S. Anthony's stone one over are encased in plexiglass during elections for this reason.

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For those outside the US or otherwise unaware, Susan B. Anthony and her sister Mary S. Anthony were foundational in the fight for womens' rights in the US, most notably in voting rights and the establishment of the 19th Amendment to the Constitution: ""The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.""

Edit to include a quick [local news story](https://youtu.be/KuCr31DvrIo?si=xDBNHxuxnEXfQ4e5).
She also leaned hard into her racism in order to garnish so much support. She’s my aunt, and I put her on a pedestal for a long time before I learned exactly how many women she was willing to throw under the bus.
Her house is also an early voting location for our county. I’m so proud of our place in history. Don’t get me wrong, we have some serious problems in our past but Rochester has contributed some serious good as well.
Thanks for the info. This is a beautiful post.
I love this cemetery. I went to RIT and my boyfriend (now my husband of 28 years) and I used to take my cat for walks here. We are very far away now or I would bring my sticker to Susan.
>As the movement progressed, others spoke loudly, including Susan B. Anthony, who stated, “I will cut off this right arm of mine before I will ever work or demand the ballot for the Negro and not the woman.”

https://www.wesleyan.edu/mlk/posters/suffrage.html
Susan Be Aunt, honey.
This was in response to male abolitionists who said that she should stop advocating for women's rights and focus on suffrage for Black men. She did not listen and continued to advocate for a constitutional amendment to guarantee both. Using this quote to say she opposed Black voting rights is misleading.
A great tradition. It was only a few years ago when the cemetery had to keep asking visitors to not put their voting stickers directly on the grave 😬. I'm super glad that there was a quick compromise between the cemetery and public!
You're very welcome, I'm glad you appreciated it!
My mom did not consider herself a racist, I did consider her a bit racist.  

I did not consider myself racist, my kids thought I was.  

Bit of a dejavú moment.  

Anyways it’s important to try to always evolve, and change for better.  

Always give respect if you expect respect.  

But yeah internet always wants everything black and white, there is a lot of gray.
That is spectacular!
Cat walks in a cemetery? She’s a witch!
Yes. Four greats by marriage.
John Brown would not have shot Susan B. Anthony lol

Her brother fought against slavery supporters with Brown in Kansas. Her family were all abolitionists which is how she became friends with Frederick Douglass, and how she became an organizer with the American Anti-Slavery Society, William Lloyd Garrison's radical abolitionist group. She worked with Harriet Tubman on the Underground Railroad and raised funds for John Brown's family after his execution. And she openly advocated full racial integration at a time when many northern Americans opposed emancipation, let alone social equality.

John Brown waged war against slavery and its defenders. Whatever racist views Anthony held, Brown probably shared them because they were white abolitionists from similar backgrounds who moved in the same circles. Holding up John Brown as the perfect white antiracist is not a useful way to look at US history in that era.
Unless you were a Black woman..
And they are one of the reasons why I was so excited to turn 18 many years ago--because I could vote!  I vote for them and other folks that fought for the right for women to vote, I vote for all minorities who couldn't, and I vote to be heard to for a better society.  How can I waste my my easily accessible right to vote when others fought so hard for it?
Obligatory *John Brown did nothing wrong*, lol.

But i do want to ask something - My understanding is that SBA prioritized white women's rights because it was strategically pertinent to do so. I see the reference to the ""cut my arm off"" statement often, but given the context of the political climate and ""understandings"" of the time, intersectionality was difficult, if not impossible, to apply irl. - is this not true? It seems to me that it is, but I'm open to and interested in hearing another take.
Susan B Anthony is your aunt??
I love Rochester, I really do. It's such a historically rich city, and I truly believe that it will step out from under the shadow of the 20th century industrialism that failed it so brutally. I just hope it's sooner rather than later!",2024-10-31 07:20:46,"joy, sadness, anger, surprise, neutral"
Not here to debate…..but I am very stressed about the 2024 election and how it could affect my next pregnancy…,1ggd1kz,1202,"Title: Not here to debate…..but I am very stressed about the 2024 election and how it could affect my next pregnancy…

Body: It’s so utterly insane that this is even a worry in a massive country like the US. In a perfect world I’m planning to be having my second baby sometime between 2026-2027. However, if a national abortion ban takes place I am not risking my life and risking my son growing up without his mother. I am not here to debate, just here to vent that it’s ridiculous that if Trump wins and does do a federal abortion ban, it could possibly make it so my son is an only child. I know I am beyond lucky to have my son, but I really wanted him to have a sibling. 

Overall, it’s just very ridiculous that this is even a possibility. Anyone else feel the same or worry the same?

EDIT: I clearly stated that I am not debating. I am also minding my own business and not spreading hate. I am creating a space for women who are scared or worried about this topic. If you do not fit that category this post isn’t for you. If you do want to debate then I am sure there is a political Reddit page for that. The fact you can’t just give us this space speaks volumes to your character. 

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Any time I start to think about this election my anxiety goes through the roof.... I'm right there with you Mama. Hugs!!
I totally get how you feel.  I had a chemical pregnancy and realized it was getting close to now or never time and I live in a red state.  It took me six months to get pregnant and shortly after my state successfully enshrined reproductive rights in the state constitution.  It was such a weight of worry off my shoulders during a really challenging time.  I hate that we could still end up back there again.
I’m pregnant now and the abortion laws in FL changed during my pregnancy. I distinctly remember sitting in my OBs office and realizing that at this point, if something went wrong or if I needed to get an abortion for whatever reason - I’d  have to leave the state to get care. 

Vote, if you haven’t already. I’ve never been a single issue voter but for women there’s not much you could argue as more important than this.
As someone who went through the horror of having an ectopic pregnancy right after he killed Roe v Wade I 100% sympathize with you. I'm in a purple state, but thankfully the governor said he wasn't going to make it illegal or I wouldn't be here right now.
100% a national ban is coming if Congress goes red. It’ll be the first line of business. They also have talked about banning birth control in some states. I don’t think that’ll happen immediately. But definitely they will make it no longer free.

I heard somewhere “rapists are now free to choose the mother of their children.”
My state has a 6 week abortion ban. I didn’t even have my appointment to get my pregnancy confirmed until after the 6 week mark. Leaving it to the states is getting women killed because of the laws they’re enacting.

We are 1 and done. My husband got a vasectomy. I refuse to leave my daughter motherless because a bunch of ill-minded politicians decided they knew what was best for women. 

We’re dying. Women are dying because of this. And they don’t care.
I am so lucky to be due in January and plan to be one and done. I live in a left-leaning state, but we have a republican governor. I'm shocked they haven't taken away abortion here yet.  I feel for all those who want a kid/another kid in the future but are scared of what it will be like.

Pregnancy is already scary enough; we shouldn't have to be terrified of not being able to receive lifesaving medical care.
Sending hugs. 
I lived in Texas when I unexpectedly became pregnant with my second - I was told there was a cyst in my uterus that if it popped would end the pregnancy. Well, unfortunately I ended up having a miscarriage and we rushed to the OBGYN only to be treated awfully - the woman confirmed I was miscarrying and then asked me to leave because I was getting blood everywhere. I think she was just scared of any negative implications to her due to the recent announcement, but it was one of the worse moments of my life amplified. I was at home miscarrying with no medical intervention and too scared to go anywhere/let anyone know. 
You are not alone. ❤️❤️

VOTEEEEEEEEE PEOPLE! FOR THE LOVE OF GOODNESS, VOTE!!!!
Your concerns are valid. Hugs.
Your last sentence is the best worst single line horror story ever.
I’m the same way. My life is very full with my one daughter and while I believe I would like one more I am waiting to try a few more months to see. I don’t want to be another news story and I don’t want to leave my daughter without a mother. People say he put it to the states and our state is not going to ban but I think they underestimate the probability of a national ban. I also don’t want to see resources spread so thin that my doctors are unavailable with those coming here from out of state. It’s problematic even for people who want a child and if someone doesn’t understand that I don’t have anything nice to say about their ignorance at all.
Nope, there was literally a story on the news two days ago about a woman who went to the hospital because she was having a miscarriage. They said they couldn’t help her because anything they did would be considered an abortion, which is illegal in her state. She ended up dying. 2024 and a woman died at a hospital because they were too scared of the law to treat her.
I’m in Ohio.  I’m glad we passed the amendment and I am happy that the courts keep upholding it but I know the Republicans in charge of this state are going to keep fighting it for the rest of my life. I’ll just have to keep voting and organizing against them forever for my daughter’s sake.
My friend’s sister had one right around that same time but thankfully she was on vacation when it happened, so she received care in that state and it is a blue state. Otherwise, who knows what would have happened if she was in Georgia at that time. It’s scary and men don’t think or realize all the things that can go wrong in a pregnancy unless they have experienced it with their partner. Women are worried about these things and read about all the complications, so they are much more aware and it is unsettling what life might look like here soon.
i’m OAD and terrified to get pregnant again. i’m already 41 and in perimenopause and do not want a change of life baby. i started birth control recently for the first time. i was too afraid of the pain of an IUD or else i’d have done that. would have taken me through menopause.

i was pro-life until i had a baby. now i’m keenly aware of reproductive healthcare and the repercussions of removing those rights.

my son will need to/will be strongly encouraged to do IVF with his future partner and i’m worried laws will go into place limiting genetic testing on IVF embryos. i’ve spoken at length with his geneticist about this and no one wants his children to have to suffer what he’s suffered. plus we recently found out he’s a carrier for another genetic syndrome as well.
I already voted. 🗳️ 💙 I work late on Tuesday and am glad that I won’t get to doom watch the TV.
For those saying Trump wouldn't institute a national ban: it's not like he'd veto if Congress passed one. And, I'd suspect they'd use the 25th Amendment on him ASAP so there'd be a President Vance instead.

I'm on the fence about having another anyway. I'm almost 38, and my hands are full with my almost six month old. If Trump gets back in, I'm definitely not having one. Currently, I live in a red state, but I have the means to go to a blue state if necessary for medical treatment, if necessary. I don't want even that taken away from me. Also, my baby is a middle class white male, so he would be okay, but I wouldn't want to bring a daughter into that.

It's really tough! I'm trying not to worry about it or I'll go insane!
Yes I feel you! Roe v wade was overturned the day we met with our doctor to discuss IVF. I remember being terrified and asking the nurses if I needed to stock up on the abortion pill because I had just gone through two miscarriages where my body wouldn’t expel the fetuses on their own. I’m still terrified because we have a few embryos on ice that we aren’t quite ready to get rid of, but worried about the government viewing them as “children”. The whole thing is so ridiculous.
Which state do you live in? 

I'm trying to get out of Texas!
This is how I feel. The fact that Trump laid the foundation to overrun Row vs Wade that has now led to the death of so many women shows exactly why women should have the right to choose and make their own healthcare decisions codified into federal law. The states can be ass backwards about a lot of things bc it's easier for special interest money, religion, and other factors to influence what happens at a local level. Some states wanted slavery and fought over it - should we allow states to have spaces again too? Should everything be decided by the states and just do away with regulation altogether, including food, safety, drugs and healthcare? Folks just aren't thinking about the ramifications of where we are, what project 2025 wants to do, and where we are headed under another trump presidency. Body autonomy and the ability to make your own decision about your own health should be a human right. Don't want to have an abortion? Don't get one. But for women that need lifesaving care, they deserve full access to medical care. 

I just had my second kid under the Biden admin, and am done after this one bc I have no idea where things are going to go and I'm terrified of losing access to healthcare. I feel op's worries and concerns 100%.",2024-10-31 12:15:00,"stress, worry, anxiety, fear, sadness, frustration, anger, concern, uncertainty, horror, empathy, sympathy, urgency, determination, relief, gratitude, hope, overwhelm, disbelief, shock, skepticism, doubt, compassion, solidarity, caution,"
Rigged election 2024 ,1ggufrx,3174,"Title: Rigged election 2024 

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Ok. So for this to be the case, either:

1) Every employee of every news station in America has to be in ion this. 

And not a single one of them - from the CEO down to the guy who takes out the trash - has leaked a single word about it. It's an entire industry that's somehow without a single MAGA or any hardcore Dems.

Or 2) somebody just fucked up and ran test testing graphics, the thing that happens every election.
Didn’t this happen in some channel last time too?? I seem to remember something like this happening. It didn’t turn out to be the same numbers election night, but I think so.
Ahhhhhhh, reasoning and logic…
Yeah.... how stupid would they have to be to leak it then it turn out to be EXACTLY like the leak?
Someone at ABC is seeing this post and thinking, huh I probably did use those numbers as my test display data
Sadly, there would be nothing we could do about it if they showed the exact same numbers. They think we’re stupid, and most people would go along with it.
This sub is kinda trash now.
Haven’t seen them around here for years 
People are so dumb. This was an accidentally aired test graphic. Obviously they prepare extensively for such important broadcasts. Do you think they're just going to slap all that together as it's happening? Quick, get the graphic designer to work up a chart for the US Presidential election -- oh why oh didn't we think to do this last week?! Burdur.
""Very precise numbers"".

***ACCORDING TO WHAT!??***
As a computer scientist, I'm sure Elon Musk has heard of test data.
I think it's the 100th time I've seen a screenshot of a random Twitter post talking about it without evidence of anything. 

Also, it's conspiracy sub, but it's being used by Trump supporters to try to stir people up before the election even happens. Like every other post. And it's all the same shit.
yes, they do this every election to test the system and every year people think it's a conspiracy.
Just playing devils advocate here; why would a rigged election require every single employee of every single news station in the country to be in on it?
No! Logic bad! This evidence Trump win. Election rigged! Hunter Biden laptop.
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The counterpoint to that is the Manhattan Project where something like 100,000 people knew some part of it.
I was thinking something similar. This is one of the biggest things they’ll air this year. They are definitely prepping graphics and scripts ahead of time for both candidates. It’s not always malicious.
That's a good question! The answer is that it's a local station, which means that the rigged numbers have already have been distributed nationally. 

Which means dozens of thousands of people all operating in absolute perfect secrecy, buttoned up tighter than a SCIF. No outside vendors, and background checks, and impossible levels of trust.

Otherwise, one email left on a printer, one overheard phonecall, or finding the wrong envelope blows the entire operation. 

And that level of secrecy doesn't end at the election, or ever. In reality, people with access have leaked military secrets to win video game arguments.

Everyone at every station, newspaper, and news site has to exercise better information security than the three-letter agencies. 

 And what's the payoff? The powerful stayed powerful under Trump just like they stayed powerful under Biden.  Just like they'll stay powerful under Harris or Trump again.

Any entity powerful enough to execute this wouldn't be afraid of presidents.
I think they do it on purpose to get a laugh every four years. You know there’s a group of nerds absolutely laughing their asses off that people think their test is an actual mistake releasing a rigged election. 

Ngl it’s kinda of an epic troll. I like their sense of humor…",2024-11-01 01:29:00,"anger, disbelief, skepticism, amusement"
Is the 2024 U.S election actually as important as both sides are saying?,1gh0spc,1447,"Title: Is the 2024 U.S election actually as important as both sides are saying?

Body: I'm English so I don't know much about America nor it's politics but i've seen so much hype around the election this year compared to any other, both sides acting like this is the most important election ever and that if their side doesn't win it would be a travesty for America.

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At least as important as any since the Civil War. It's two very different roads for this country and the rest of the planet depending on who wins this one election.
Trump tried to overthrow the country, has utter disregard for the courts and rule of law, is losing his cognitive ability, wants to be a dictator, if he appoints more justices we’ll be locked into creepy Christian conservatives law for 50+ years with no appreciation for separation of church and state, reproductive rights, LGBT rights, etc

On the other hand, even if he gets elected - we showed how strong we are in blocking his nonsense and preserving the rule of law and blocking him in the Courts. In fact, it strengthened the left before and will likely do the same again. There are great people in both parties that will fight for freedom and democracy so I’m confident things will be okay in the end.
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For all the shit left leaning media catches about making a big deal of Russian interference in the 2016 election, the Mueller report makes it totally clear that there was copious and obvious coordination between Russian actors and the Trump campaign.  Nobody should be surprised if it’s happening again.
He literally talks about his calls with Putin. I think he might be working with Russia...
I don't even think he's necessarily working with Russia. There's plenty of Americans that want to undermine our Democracy who are backing Trump, such as Leonard Leo, Peter Thiel and the whole of the ""New Right"". Theil has openly said that he doesn't believe in democracy
Well yes but half the country has stopped reading and using logic so that Mueller report doesn't matter to them
 Trump already tried to steal the last election and he’s openly talking about his various authoritarian plans, from arresting political opponents (including election officials, lawyers, donors, and voters he thinks cheated, while he’s claiming 75% of the country is his base), sending the military against opposition, shutting down media organizations whose reporting he doesn’t like, and rounding up millions of people before sticking them in concentration camps. Yeah, it is extremely important. If Trump wins he will set out to destroy our democracy and civil rights, he’s said as much openly. The US as a dictatorship wouldn’t just be bad for us but for the entire world.
Last time Trump made 3 mistakes due to inexperience.  He won't make them again:

1) He left in place all the career government workers who work to keep the government normally.  These were the main source of pushback against his policies.  At the very end of his term he enacted a policy that made all government employees At-Will(as in can be fired without cause), and while Biden immediately reversed that, Trump will implement it immediately this time and they will remove any government employee that is ""disloyal""

2) He appointed a lot of people who had done a great job of sucking up to him, but didn't necessarily agree with his goals of being a dictator.  That won't happen again.  His team has a whole stable of people lined up who are ideologically pure to put in place.

3) He picked a VP who was basically a more normal republican.  Which was kind of the point to picking him, but Pence had at least a shred of appreciation for our democratic system.  JD Vance is a follower of Curtis Yarvin and Peter Thiel, who want to dissolve the federal government and turn the US into a bunch of small technocratic city states.
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Romney and... okay I got one.
He’s not MAGA at the moment. It seems like 95% of them kiss the ring eventually. Quick reminder that JD Vance claimed to be a never trumper just a few years ago.
It's an important election for ALL western Democracies, because MAGA IS aligned with Putin and Orban and  would certainly pull out of NATO. Authoritarian movements worldwide would be emboldened and grow in power as America would favor them over traditional Democratic governments, who would now have to kiss Trumps @$$ or risk punitive financial measures.
Project 2025 is the plan. It will remove anyone who is not a yes man and replace with a yes man. If Trump wins, we are screwed.
….and Romney is quitting.
Because no previous candidate had a plan to destroy democracy and a Supreme Court ready to enable it.
Trump said he wouldn’t come to the aid of NATO members if Russia attacked them, which was the whole point of the alliance in the first place. Trump literally said, “No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want.”
Just last night he said he wanted to [put her in front of a firing squad](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-fantasizes-liz-cheney-firing-squad-1235149792/). Fuck that guy.
Mitt Romney retires next year. His support dropped like a rock after voting to find Trump guilty in his impeachment trial. He recognizes that he'd likely get primaried like Liz Cheney was.

The ""good ones"" all got primaried already. The only reason Romney is still there is because senators have six-year terms.
Just look at what happened to Cheney. She was removed from her committee positions, censured, and removed from the GOP all because she spoke out against Trump.",2024-11-01 08:38:43,"confusion, fear, anger, disgust, hope"
How BG3 Characters would vote in the 2024 United States Presidential Election,1ghbdb6,1806,"Title: How BG3 Characters would vote in the 2024 United States Presidential Election

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I agree with most of these but I can't really see Minthara voting for Trump or Voss voting for Harris. Minthara would agree with some of Trump's policies but she would never vote for some she doesn't respect, and taking into account the fact that Trump is a man and his numerous shenanigans... I'd say she just doesn't vote lol
In retrospect I think Minthy would abstain because she rejects any government that’s not an autocratic Drowish matriarchy.
I think Minthara would probably go third party, or abstain from voting completely.
IDK that either drow would vote for a man over a woman. Don't get me wrong. Minthara would \*really\* like Trump's policies and rhetoric but like...vote for a man?

Minsc would definitely find some way to vote for Joe Biden, though. Not sure how, as I'm pretty sure he didn't write it in as he can't spell either Joe or Biden. But he \*would\*.
No way Raphael doesn't write his own name. It checks out with how pathetic he already is.
Finally one of these that puts Astarion in the just won't vote category 
Mithara would write her own name in
Astarion doesn’t give a shit. Even if he remembers there’s an election, which he probably doesn’t, he doesn’t really care how it turns out.
Scratch - disenfranchised felon
Nah, she'd just try to storm the capitol building and the White House and take the government over
That was my thought. ""I could never vote for HIM. He's a man after all. I'm more interested in this Margery Taylor Greene. I'm intrigued by these orbital lasers and weather magic she's concerned with.""
Minthara would just do a coup
I wonder if Minthara would vote for a man at all, period... and might even question the wisdom of having a male VP on any ticket.


She seems more likely to rally the remnants of her loyalists and some Lolth-haters and January 6th *herself* into office tbh
Strong disagree on Minthara. The drow are obsessed with gender dynamics and her dialogue makes it very clear she fully supports those policies. I can’t see her ever supporting a man over a woman for power.
Mknthara would not vote for trump because man being in power is disgusting in her eyes
Pretty good, but I think Gale is smart enough to know that in First Past the Post voting for a third party is throwing your vote away, so he would be pro Ranked Choice.
The man used to be a magistrate so he should be into politics, and yet it's so in character for him to not give a shit. 😂
TBH, while I can see Minthara totally believing that \*certain people\* control space lasers and the weather, I'm pretty sure this would only make her want to join them. She'd be like, ""Well, if NOAA controls the weather, clearly I must join and dominate NOAA.""

Although how that would translate to voting, I'm not sure.
Dammon is voting for the Green Party because the VP said Trans women shouldn't play in womens sports
Nah, Dammon is fine, it's just his VA that's a problem.",2024-11-01 17:47:39,"disgust, neutral, joy, surprise, anger, fear, sadness, neutral, anger, joy, neutral, joy, anger, disgust, anger, surprise, joy, disgust, joy, joy, anger, joy, neutral, joy,"
Harrison Ford Endorses Kamala Harris-Tim Walz Days Before 2024 Election,1gi4b0r,14631,"Title: Harrison Ford Endorses Kamala Harris-Tim Walz Days Before 2024 Election

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""Nazis. I hate these guys""
Luke and Han are now both against the Empire. Leia would too if she were still here.
You gotta be doing something right if the arguably grumpiest guy in hollywood is coming out of his shell to endorse you.
And yet if we had Chris Evans - Captain America himself - promoting Harris, it still wouldn't sink in for the Trumpers.
The Avengers and Batman all endorsed Harris, meanwhile Hulk Hogan practices his shirt rip move for the next klan rally. 
It’s funny because since Mark Hamill came out in support of Joe Biden (and later Kamala Harris) - his social media comments are filled with people who venomously disagree with him.

As in comments like “You were supposed to destroy the Sith! Not join them!”.

I have also seen people compare Trump to the original trilogy.

“A New Hope” for 2016 when he won.

“The Empire Strikes Back” for 2020 when he lost.

“Return of the Jedi” for 2024 for his potential victory in 2024.

Did these people miss the point of Star Wars?

They must be losing their minds now that Harrison Ford has endorsed Harris.
Harrison's got a grumpy persona, but he's also genuinely one of the funniest people in Hollywood in part because of that. He also just seems like a genuine, common sense driven person who has a long history of using his self and his resources to help others. So I'm not surprised by his endorsement.
Jar Jar was a low information voter if there ever was one.
He did
And that is why it is such a double edged sword for the Star Wars writing team to listen to fans -- because a lot of Star Wars fans are fucking stupid. I would know, I've been in the fandom since I was a kid.
Yeah, I think “gruff” is a better descriptor than “grumpy”. By most accounts, he seems like a good dude.
I almost felt pity watching Hogan feebly try and rip his shirt off, then I remembered where he was, and just laughed. It was pathetic.
Meesa propose that the Senate immediately give emergency powers to the Supreme Chancellor.
We got Luke. We got Han.
He and the Avengers just had a stream where they endorsed Kamala.
Kamala Harrison Ford 



Had to do it.
I also think the whole ""gruff"" or ""grumpy"" persona is all an act anyway. It's a way to entertain himself and have fun doing the one part of his career - selling - that he hates. He's developed a persona he has fun ""putting on"" in order to get through it. At least that's my read of him.
last time i noticed Chris Evans was a progressive, he did endorse Biden
Glad I watched Air Force One last night
It was so funny to me that after Levi came out for Trump, people on r/ conservative said ""well now there will be no Shazam 3 because of this"" and I'm like, there will be no Shazam 3 because Shazam 2 (sadly) bombed",2024-11-02 19:29:24,"disgust, joy, anger, surprise, neutral, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy, joy,"
2024 Pre-Election Cold Open - SNL,1giezq3,24788,"Title: 2024 Pre-Election Cold Open - SNL

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""I can open doors.""

Perfect.
Maya was so happy
""I just wanted Liz Cheney to go hunting with her dad"" is hilariously savage lol.
Hearing them at the same time… damn. Her impression was so fucking good.
Look, I know it's not the reason to vote for someone, but I am repeatedly caught off guard by how wonderful Kamala Harris' smile is.
Falalala
The whole trump portion was some of the best SNL writing I've seen in awhile. ""The last time I got this mad at a mic I tried to have him killed""
The cold open, the Tim Kaine sketch that actually has Tim Kaine, the musical number, Chappell Roan 

They are going the fuck off tonight. I swear SNL is on fire this season
https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1852902858284314720  I don't think SNL has ever had their jokes reflect reality so accurately and so quickly, he literally sounds done tonight irl just like in the skit, it's uncanny
This was insanely well executed. From the strong hold during the applause to nailing every single line. I know this bit will fall on deaf ears and won’t change the election, but damn it feels good to vote for someone with that level of competence and confidence. God speed, Kamala!
I was caught off guard by Trump demonstrating fellatio
She has the mannerisms down perfectly, it’s crazy
[Mirror.](https://streamable.com/k8ehwg)

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Biggest surprise of the night was Tim Kaine being better at reading his lines in the sketch than most of the cast members
This may be the craziest thing of all. Despite all of the chaos we have had, maybe chaos to come, and he just... says it out loud? In a lucid moment? And they still cheer!?!
They were **phenomenalalala**
Let’s watch a Rom-com-ala
“The last time I hated a mike this much I almost had him killed”  got me so good.

I will say beyond the policy and not actively harming my LGBTQ loved ones, how happy she seems makes my heart melt. Trump always seems miserable and like he’d rather be doing anything else.
Kamala with the Shade-ala!
Even just his exasperated exhale was a perfect expression of how he seems like he’s just trying to somehow at least get to the finish line at this point but he’s losing his stamina and his temper in the process",2024-11-03 04:24:05,"joy, surprise, admiration, humor, satisfaction, neutral, disgust, admiration, joy, surprise, admiration, joy, surprise, joy, humor, admiration, joy, surprise, admiration, joy, surprise, joy, surprise, joy, surprise,"
"Two years ago, my wife became a US Citizen. This week she voted in her first election. Trump 2024.",1giyaqg,1532,"Title: Two years ago, my wife became a US Citizen. This week she voted in her first election. Trump 2024.

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God bless her! Most immigrants flee here for better lives and opportunity.  They know whassup!  Welcome new citizen!
A REAL immigrant!  Please accept my heartiest (albeit somewhat delayed!) welcome and congratulations!
My wife came to America from Cuba in 2004, became a citizen in 2010. She also voted for the first time last Saturday. We both voted for Trump and we live in NY.
America held lotteries back then. They allowed so many Cubans to come into the country if they won the lottery. My wife won. Do you always come to conclusions without collecting data? You sound like a dick.
Neither do I. Trump 2024. My wife isn't illegal. You need to work on your personality skills dude.
You're aware that there is a thing called a 'visa', right?

ETA: There's also a thing called 'green cards'.
Second this☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💯🇺🇸
I am a legal immigrant, my whole family came in the early 60’s as legal immigrants, why? Opportunity, freedom and quality of life, we are self sufficient and financially self supported. I don’t support what Pres Biden and his cohort have done to immigration to gain political support. I don’t support what has happened with my freedom of speech due to the sexual orientation laws. I live in CA were almost everything is illegal with dictatorial laws like property laws, restrictions of the 2nd amendment. I understand and support people like President Trump, why because he is a successful businessman and I know from his past performance he will do great for our country. I hope after his presidential term, he tries for the California governorship, true uphill battle but if anyone can do it, he can.
The best news ever I heard. My wife is in the same process as this and she says she will vote at next election as her first. Proud! MAGA!
Congratulations and a happy late welcome! Thank you for voting Trump, he is protecting the US and the world.
What Kamala and Newscum did to CA is sad.
Most legal immigrants hate Democrats’ open border policies.
I became a US Citizen in 2021 (pregnant with my son) less than a month to his birth. I LEGALLY migrated to the US in the 90s. Today he voted with me!
Trump doesn't hate her because she came here legally and isn't committing crimes in our country.
Congrats!
You love to see it. So glad to hear she made it home.
Trump only hates Child Molesters and those who enable them like sex traffickers and easy on those criminal voters...
Big congrats!
Oh? Every woman I know of, including myself, debunks that claim. Even online, I've seen far more support for the other side. Some were quite amazing to me. It would be stupid to ""secretly"" vote Harris. Why would anyone ""secretly"" vote for the popular liberal candidate?
You're uninformed about the immigration and naturalization process. 

I held a green card for at least 10 years and became a citizen so that I could legally vote.",2024-11-03 21:52:05,"joy, pride, gratitude, support, anger, surprise, neutral"
Election 2024: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO),1gj8vqk,4064,"Title: Election 2024: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

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Hold the phone…..HBO is abandoning the Thursday model (Max-to-YouTube pipeline) for this show right now?
I'm guessing it's a 1 time exception.
Wild it's this close again. Hope you are ready for January 6th - Foliex a Deux. Maybe you are lucky and this one will only be lame ass musical numbers as well this time.
Glad they uploaded this one right away. Would have been fucking insane to hold it till Thursday.
Is that t-shirt about to blow up??
Could be a strategic move for increased viewership during the election season.
Bully him and find out
Please don’t give me hope.
I don’t think it’s gonna be this close at the end. Pools just tying to be more cautious this time plus it gets more people out to vote.  
John Oliver said he hated the format in an interview; he might have negotiated for this one to be available in full.
Do you remember when Trump promised to solve the Palestinian - Israeli conflicts and sent his sociopath son in law there to broker a deal ?
No one will care about an election segment after tomorrow anyway
Yea especially with the Iowa poll yesterday, if it’s true get ready for an early night
Something tells me John demanded it
Tomorrow. OMFG I can't wait for this American election to be over. I'm in Ireland and lke the rest of the world, we're all just holding our breath. If I was American I'd probably be just popping xanax by the sheet at this stage.
Forget 2016, 2020 was ridiculous. You had 4 years of Trump and the initial east coast results looked like Trump had won.

Biden only got in thanks to a few votes in Penn and Michigan, and they only finalized a few days after (remember STOP THE COUNT)? I don't think we are likely to get an early call at all unless Florida somehow flips, Penn won't call until at least Wed or Thu unless it's an unexpected blowout and it all hinges on them
2020 was hilariously stupid. Trump supporters in one state chanting ""STOP THE COUNT"" and then Trump supporters in another state chanting ""COUNT THE VOTES"" at basically the same time as each other.
To quote someone on ""X"":

>There is not a vote you can cast that will save Palestinian lives. There just isn’t. We will have to use other means for that.  
There IS a vote that will save Black, immigrant, woman, and LGBTQ lives in America. I still believe that vote is worth casting.  
This is not about whether Harris or the Democrats “deserve” power. It’s about whether marginalized Americans deserve a Trump autocracy. Despite our flaws, I truly believe we don’t [deserve that].
They went to Jared
that's always been the case. They've always had a main story and a side story, and only post the main story to youtube.",2024-11-04 07:31:50,"joy, anger, fear, disgust, neutral, surprise, sadness, neutral, anger, fear, neutral, sadness, anger, disgust, joy, anger, sadness, joy, anger, disgust, sadness, anger, neutral, sadness, anger,"
How would Europeans vote in the 2024 U.S. presidential election if they had a chance?,1gjjmjt,29814,"Title: How would Europeans vote in the 2024 U.S. presidential election if they had a chance?

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Who is the “Other” that 8% of Swiss think they would vote for?
Sweden, Denmark, Finland,  Norway and the Netherlands all consistently place at the top of places to live, quality of life rankings together with New Zeeland and Canada. 


I wonder how they would have voted. 
Interesting choice of colors.

EDIT: 1.6 K upvotes? I've never ever had that happen before, crazy! Thank you!

Just to reply to all:  
Yes, I've read the key.   
Yes, I know the colors symbolize European political views, not American. I just think that when you're talking about how Europeans would vote in a US election, it would make more sense to let the colors represent the American parties. Example: ""A majority of Europeans would vote blue in the American Elections"". Clearly, that sentence would mean they'd be voting Dems.
Serbian here, all my friends think highly of Trump, in reality they don't know shit about politics, NOTHING
DJT would be un-electable here in Denmark, based on his personality alone. He political career would have been over the minute he made fun of that disabled journalist.
Seing Russia results should tell something to americans… no? NO?
This confirms that I live in the Louisiana of the EU.
YouGov has the UK voter base at 61% for Harris and only 16% for Trump just FYI.
Jill Stein perhaps
Well in Europe, blue is generally color of right wing parties, while orange of center parties.

But yeah, they probably should have used classic American red and blue.
I wonder if they just included ""Green"" so Swiss Greens chose that option. American Greens are bloody dreadful.
What does the 6 bottom countries excluding russia have in common? Heavy russian propaganda efforts.
legendary swiss neutrality strikes again
Neutral ballot
In fact, European Greens are just center-left with a focus on green politics. American Greens are kooks with many weird ideas.
Especially with everyone referring to Trump as orange, it's really confusing.
Maybe 2-3% of Americans have a chance of ever seeing this data, of which 30-40% will have a reaction that is “Who cares what the Europeans think.” Hoping for good news tomorrow…
I'm from Hungary, and I'd say that people here are politically illiterate, so I wouldn't count their votes, to be honest. Government brainwashing has done its work here.
Makes sense, it’s what happens with lots of his voters…
Because Biden is extremely pro Kosovo, and Kamala is/was his VP. It's literally just that.",2024-11-04 17:17:33,"interest, confusion, surprise, anger, disgust, neutral, joy"
Place your bets! Who do you think will win? US Election 2024 🇺🇸,1gk5cmc,527,"Title: Place your bets! Who do you think will win? US Election 2024 🇺🇸

Body: Sa mga Pinoy na nasa US, ano ang political climate sa states nyo esp sa swing states? 

Sabi nga nila, whoever is elected in the US, affects the geo-politics in the Indo-Pacific region. Sino gusto nyo manalo and why? 

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By popular vote, Harris. Pero by electoral college, ewan. Rooting for Harris na lang for continuity sa policy nila sa WPS.
Sorry wala akong magandang ambag sa thread na ito pero gusto ko lang din sabihin na mas okay and mas aligned sa moral beliefs ko si Kamala Harris sa iba nyang platform

Ang dagdag ko lang is that okay na pinapagusapan natin ang US Elections kasi buong mundo damay nito tbh
As someone na sinubaybayan yung campaign nila Kamala since the coconut memes — i would say na they really gave their all AND they executed perfectly from start to finish. Pag di pa sila nanalo it would 100% reflect on the people, not on the campaign. Good luck
Very simplified: per state may electoral votes based sa population nya, isipin mo points sya. California has 54, Texas has 40, Pennsylvania has 19, etc. Total ng lahat is 538, para manalo ang isang kandidato, kelangan ng majority = 270.

Kung sino ang panalo sa boto sa isang state, sa kanya na yung points nun, winner take all kumbaga. So kung si Kamala ang panalo sa CA, sa kanya yung 54. Kung si Trump ang panalo sa TX, sa kanya yung 40, etc. May exceptions sa Maine and Nebraska, but we'll ignore that for sake of discussion.

Now, bakit hindi kunin ng isang kandidato yung lahat ng malalaking points na state? Halimbawa, kunin ni Trump yung CA, TX, Florida, etc. para mabuo agad yung 270? Kasi, yung ibang states baluarte na ng kada partido. Sa CA laging Democrats ang nananalo, sa TX lagi Republicans. Kaya kada partido at most mga 200+ points sa mga baluarte nilang states.

Dito ngayon pumapasok yung mga battleground or swing states. Kaya sila nagiging battleground is ndi nila parehas baluarte tong mga state na to, so yung resulta nila ang nagti-tip or swing towards the eventual winner. Hindi kalakihan yung points nila (Pennsylvania has 19, Georgia has 16, Michigan has 16, etc) pero pag inipon mo sila, sapat na para ipush to 270+ at manalo sa eleksyon. 

Then kaya din sinasabi na may specific state na nagiging tipping point (nung 2020 it was Georgia, but most often it's Pennsylvania) is nakaipon na both ng ~260 points each, so nakasalalay na lang sa iisang state yung resulta. Kaya pag election cycle sobrang laki ng pinopondo ng mga kampanya sa pagbisita sa mga battleground states, especially Pennsylvania.

Lastly, the term ""Electoral College"" is the name of the entire system, ndi sya school na pinapasukan 🤭 the ""college"" refers to ""collegiality"" ie. yung equal individual power ng states working towards a single output: determining the president.
I feel like it’s the same with Leni and BBM. During the campaign period Leni voters are the most active but BBM ended up winning. Might end up with a similar situation in the US.
I'm hoping Harris would win but from what I see, Trump has the edge. Yung mga [polling nung 2016 elections](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election), ang laki ng lamang ni Clinton kay Trump pero we all know what happened. Ngayon, dikit sila sa polls kaya mataas ang chance ni Trump manalo dahil sa electoral college. I hope I'm wrong.
As much as we want Harris, malakas ang chance ni Trump
30v60% si Leni at BBM, 50-50% si Kamala at Trump so definitely not similar at all.
The world is doomed
I trust in Prof. [Allan Lichtman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Lichtman?wprov=sfla1), who recently predicted that Kamala would win this time. He uses a different method (13 Keys) to predict the outcome of US Presidential elections from that of major polls. So far he has correctly predicted 9 out of 10 since 1984.

*If you're curious as to that one time he got it wrong, he actually has some merit in claiming that Al Gore should have won.*
I have a sickening mental image of DDS supporters wholeheartedly supporting Donald Trump, only for him to deport their OFW relatives and snatching their income bald
Most whites are conservative. Sa totoo lang marami pa rin sa kanila ang ayaw sa babae o mixed race.
Sana manalo si Kamala Harris. Hindi tayo pinalad magkaroon ng Presidente na dating Bise. Sana huwag matulad ang U.S sa atin.
Grabe ‘no, their election will still have great effect on other countries in terms of policy. Hindi lang USA ang maaapektuhan.
the philippines is doomed pag nanalo si trump.
Kamala sana pero ewan…pag si Trump nanalo bka ibibigay na lang nya Pinas sa Chaaaiina kasi ayaw nya ng wars parang Ukraine sa Russia…
Over here, it’s leaning towards Trump… like sure ball Trump. It is what it is i guess 🤷🏻‍♀️
Agree. Maraming trump supportet kasi na silent supporter. I have an aunt who's a doctor in a known hospital in TX, sabi nya mostly mga professional pro-trump. Nun panahon daw kasi ni Obama grabe yun tax nila tapos  napupunta mostly sa mga di naman qualified ang tulong. Tinotolerate daw pagiging unemployed. Si trump daw kasi pro-economy, pro-worker, pro-american. Kaya mas ramdam nila yung return ng binabayaran nilang tax during trump.
Trump kasi tingin ng mga kano lalo lumala yung amerika nung panahon ni biden na vice si kamala.
I'd love it to be Kamala pero parang Trump ang maingay. I honestly don't understand why a lot of Americans hate Kamala and would rather vote for Trump. I'm not from there so obviously I don't know but I just hate Trump or what I know about him at least. Anyway, good luck America! Hoping all the best for your country 🙏",2024-11-05 12:19:22,"neutral, joy, fear, sadness, disgust, fear, sadness, joy, sadness, fear, joy, fear, sadness, joy, sadness, joy, fear, sadness, joy, sadness, joy, fear, sadness, joy, sadness,"
[Megathread] 2024 USA Elections,1gk63he,742,"Title: [Megathread] 2024 USA Elections

Body: Welcome to the endgame everyone! Today’s the day America chooses its numerous state and local level leaders, the entire House of Representatives, a third of its Senate, and the President of the United States.

Not much of a flavor text up here since everyone has probably figured out what’s going on by now. If you’d like something added please ping myself or another mod.

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If Kamala wins I’m going to spend the next four years tormenting every MAGA I’ve had the slightest disagreement with. If Kamala loses I hope my enemies can win with grace and maybe show a little maturity for once
>Hello any MAGA morons in this thread. I just want you to know that I’m going to drop 40 ballots for Harris in Michigan unless you cash app me 70,000 USD. YOU HAVE TWO HOURS OR YOU LOSE MICHIGAN

I wish arrrconservative had a mega thread so I can spam this 50 times 😢
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I still can't believe how close it is. 

- [Fake Elector Scheme](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot)
- Jan. 6 Capitol Riots
- Serial Sexual Assaulter
- Horrible Trade and Economic Policies
- Foreign Policy Laughing Stock 
- Former Staffers and Cabinet Members Hate Him
- Surrounded by Sycophants and Evil People
It's not a real poll, it's not scientific in any way, and it's pretty vibes based at best--but I demanded the sign report from my friend Steve. 

For context, Steve has a job where he drives all over Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana. In 2016 he was the person who alerted me to there being a degree of Trump enthusiasm that simply wasn't being captured in polling. Even during the pandemic he was driving, and he reported even higher levels of Trump enthusiasm based on observed signage. 

This time h's reporting a much more mellow sense of Trump support in the places he drives through. It's not gone, but he's seeing reduced prevalence.  

Fingers crossed the Steve-o-Meter is accurate.
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never forget what they took from you

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TRVST THE PLAN

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just voted for harris in PA 🫡
Last New York Times insight : 
There are 4 different possible scenarios :

-Harris wins by a lot

-Harris wins by a little

-Trump wins by a little

-Trump wins by a lot

Wow thank you, newspaper of records.
nate silver taking $300,000 a month in subscriptions to show a website which just says “50-50”
If I keep scrolling I will eventually find information that proves Kamala Harris is going to win tonight
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holy shit
>Recent polling suggests women “repulsed” by JD Vance

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Keep calm and secure the steal guys
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Based",2024-11-05 13:00:01,"joy, anger, sadness, disgust, neutral"
Jimmy Kimmel Makes “Closing Argument” Ahead of 2024 Election: “Imagine a World in Which No One Says ‘Donald’ or ‘Trump'”,1gk8xwn,8232,"Title: Jimmy Kimmel Makes “Closing Argument” Ahead of 2024 Election: “Imagine a World in Which No One Says ‘Donald’ or ‘Trump'”

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I've been imagining this for about 8 years now.
The only Donald I want to hear from is a duck.
Trump is like a fairy tale monster. If you dont believe in him, he wil disapear quickly.
And Glover
29ish here. 
One more election people! If he loses he’s done. The Republican Party won’t lose 3 straight elections running the same candidate
Let’s put a pause on celebrities running for president…
This is exactly what we want. No mentions, no pics, no memes of him, just gone.
It's not the Republican Party anymore, though. They're so thirsty for his cult's support they'll follow him to the grave.
Sad reality is when he loses, they will still bring him up.
Freddy pooguer
I’ve never believed in him. But here we are.
I wish it were so easy, but this skid stain of a human being has done irreparable damage to the country. His cult following seep hatred, crave violence, and want everyone that’s not them, gone. They will continue to idolize him, and fight for their agenda for the rest of their lives.
Not to mention the slew of rednecks shilling fuck Kamala merch
What if we like to play Euchre with our buddy Donald?
Ducks Not Dicks!
It’ll be a decade. At least.
Then what would Jimmy talk about all night?
This dude makes his living off Donald Trump.
Yes and he’s already too old/signs of dementia",2024-11-05 15:13:21,"anger, disgust, sadness, neutral, surprise"
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There’s this dude being interviewed on NBC right now, who got on the “Trump Train” campaign bus for the free snacks and transportation, then voted Kamala. LOOOOOL
just watching interviews from the poll lines and stuff on the news

One decided on Harris yesterday after seeing some ads

another was an Arab American thought Trump was a good businessman and if he runs the country like a business it should be good

Both are unexplainable to me.
https://xcancel.com/DavidShuster/status/1853877237239496720

>Philly says #LFG.  ""Voter turnout is extremely high,” said Philadelphia Democratic Party Chairman Robert Brady, the former congressman. “I’ve been doing elections for 50 years chair and I’ve been chairman for 40 years and now it’s the highest we’ve ever seen for this point.""
Ok I know Elon posts a lot of stupid stuff, but one of his last tweets is complaining that you can look up where to vote for Harris in TX but not trump...

The results show voting locations for Harris *county*

>[Potentially big development: If the Philly turnout tracker is accurate, Puerto Rican turnout, which is traditionally very low, may already be reaching total 2020-level turnout... at 11:30am](https://x.com/zachp_25/status/1853838690474135671?s=46&t=WNLA6iNiOKasdgX6gq6QGw)

Puerto Ricans: Fuck around and find out
I doomscrolled with you guys a lot in 2020 and honestly I didn't think I'd be back but I just can't help myself
My dog keeps bringing my toys as I doom scroll, she knows I am stressed. She is a good girl!!
“🚨 News: I checked in with @UnidosUSAF on the ground they tell me ‘most of the Latino precincts we are monitoring in Philadelphia have ALREADY surpassed their total E Day turnout from 2020.’

They report extremely high Latino support for Harris. Will monitor.”

https://x.com/carrasquillo/status/1853882603704856997?s=46&t=ybtfi8Urdi-1ZG9fTxJdzg
+2 for Harris in PA!  My Republican dad voted dem for the first time ever today!
>[110-year old Viola Ford Fletcher, the oldest survivor of the Tulsa Race Massacre voted today in Oklahoma. I’m told she voted for Vice President Harris.](https://x.com/abbydphillip/status/1853881971966976178?s=46&t=WNLA6iNiOKasdgX6gq6QGw)

💙💙
Last election day I had a surgically repaired foot when I voted, biden won.  Today when I went to vote I slipped and injured the same foot, hurt like hell as I was voting, confirmed via my injured foot Harris is winning.
Some MAGA nut just tried to light himself on fire outside of the Capitol. It’s going to get very interesting the further into the week we get.

Edit: [link to article](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/capitol-hill/man-who-smelled-like-fuel-arrested-with-torch-flare-gun-at-us-capitol-visitors-center-smelled-like-fuel-uscp-election-day-security-dc/65-6d2d1647-6b1e-483e-bb5d-03f060eb05f3)

Edit 2: the story has been updated - he wasn’t doused in fuel as originally reported and he’s not confirmed MAGA (even though they do have a type). I’m aware, don’t @ me.
Convinced my boss to let me use our 15 passenger work van to team up with Montana Women Vote and offer rides to folks checked into all the homeless shelters in town today. 

Turnout has been awesome all day—it’s helping to ease my panic a bit.
>[Philly is on pace to beat their 2020 vote totals by 1 PM.](https://x.com/angry_staffer/status/1853853244205715608?s=46&t=WNLA6iNiOKasdgX6gq6QGw)

This is good.
Roy Cooper (Governor of NC) is saying suburban and female turnout is higher than he expected.

https://xcancel.com/thepoliticalhq/status/1853890925505790006?s=46
> Lexi Harder, 30, paid more than $1,100 for a round-trip flight to ensure she could cast her vote in Montgomery County, Pa., on Tuesday. Harder, who is enrolled in a graduate program in Berlin, said she was “devastated” when her completed absentee ballot was returned to her in the mail on Saturday. On Sunday, she traveled 15 hours on a connecting flight to surrender her absentee ballot and cast her vote for Kamala Harris in person.

[Source: NYT's Election Day live blog 
](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/11/05/us/trump-harris-election/aa67b146-46b5-5a4f-b4e2-8ab953df068d?smid=url-share)
I think the bottom line with turnout is that if both sides are enthusiastic like we saw in 2020, there are frankly just more democratic voters in the country, and high turnout everywhere favors Harris. Trump got 74 million votes in 2020, which is more than any other Republican candidate has ever gotten, and he still lost by 7 million votes. 

Aaand if Ann Selzer is to be believed, not only will Harris get all those enthusiastic Dems, she’ll probably also get a significant % of enthusiastic Republican women who have finally had enough of Trump. (At least this is my hopium).
Okay, time for me to go vote and help Harris win GA!
If you're voting for Trump due to the economy, you're either extremely wealthy or you're uneducated and should go back to school.",2024-11-05 19:03:12,neutral
⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️ 2024 US ELECTION THUNDERDOME⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️,1gkjymq,729,"Title: ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️ 2024 US ELECTION THUNDERDOME⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️

Body: NO: MODS/GODS

YES: SHITPOSTS/RESULTS/COCONUTS

WELCOME TO THE DOME, SHITLIBS

Top Comments:
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Everyone show your respect to a true patriot 🫡😎
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OFFICIAL RESULTS RELEASED
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[WELCOME TO HELL](https://media1.tenor.com/m/_jODXMcJX8kAAAAC/elmo-burning.gif)
REAL PATRIOT ALERT 🚨

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My final prediction
From NBC, some guy in Milwaukee didn't know who he was voting for. So he did two laps around the polling station, and then he decided to vote for Kamala. 

What a chad, median voter personified
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God forgives, Joe doesn’t.
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\> %44 Trump

Wtf is wrong with American voters?
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With 37.2% of votes counted, Sullivan County Indiana is currently 7 points to the left of where it was in 2020. 

In 2020 Trump led Biden 74.3%-23.9%

**so far** in 2024 Trump leads Harris 70.5%-26.3%

Fingers crossed we see similar in states that actually matter in the electoral college!!
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Hold me Ann
Debarrow Exit Poll just now:

* **Kamala: 48.6%**

* **Trump: 48.2%**

*Source: Fred Debarrow, a guy I met on the train who counts lawn signs*
\> Lexi Harder, 30, paid more than $1,100 for a round-trip flight to ensure she could cast her vote in Montgomery County, Pa., on Tuesday. Harder, who is enrolled in a graduate program in Berlin, said she was “devastated” when her completed absentee ballot was returned to her in the mail on Saturday. On Sunday, she traveled 15 hours on a connecting flight to surrender her absentee ballot and cast her vote for Kamala Harris in person.



NO 👏 EXCUSES 👏
>> On X Spaces, Elon Musk just confirmed our reporting that he is heading to Mar-a-Lago tonight for the Trump watch party. “I just voted, and now I’m headed to Florida. And I’ll be there with President Trump and JD and a bunch of other cool people.”

literally writes like my 8th grade Facebook statuses
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It's afraid!
Some trust Trump to outlaw abortion.
HERE WE GO

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Look, fat, look, here’s the deal

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https://preview.redd.it/u9k61jc926zd1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c081f2e1ee7e4cd467ecf014801936514ffadf7",2024-11-05 23:00:02,"anger, disgust, neutral"