{"text":"it has ebbed and flowed a little bit but its been pretty consistent feeling of deeper stillness at the points where one would expect you know you were describing things around the fullness or just stuff like that versus the body per se versus like sinuses and mhm or even in this part of the conversation you know like it seems like the stillness is ebbed a little bit from the depth that it was a moment ago","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so its its subtle but theres definitely a distinct difference between those two experiences um of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"things that sense of joy is very often more associated with layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i can play such a good game of a location two layer three but it doesnt it doesnt necessarily feel like its authentic i can model it i can get people there i can like give them their little charmed life and like","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"feel really like reality is like this thick fluid like substance that you can like just sort of pushing through like viscerally like a thick substance in some sense","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"no i think its a different thing than its related to location two layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"like disapproval like i noticed that i kind of had a lot of these disapproval patterns of myself and so i started noticing them more and kind of like just kind of letting them go so maybe that was a big shift and now more recently ive been noticing that there is a lot of this anxiety kind of pattern that feels like a its like a performance type anxiety or like approval type of thing and that comes up like really a lot every day yeah so yeah so thats like thats dropping me down to layer one often","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"layer three standpoint","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"access to layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"liveness beingness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so you know im not its not a bad thing that you shift into layer one or anything like that its not something to be avoided","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"it could also relate to your identity really shifting into the spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"you know dont bring in any mental analysis in any layer one type stuff","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"self is that yeah the reflection on experience which itself produces experience and all the qualities of experience which is why you know when you sense into whats beyond layer three it feels like its unknowable or a mystery or without qualities","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the layer one is getting more pulled back into the story and the sort of feeling of the the thoughts that put me into the past or the future or something like that","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"consciousness as a field","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"like initially you cant see anything its just an unknowable","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"like that state of like everything is just great everything is just perfect like how they say before enlightenment","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"seems individualized","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"layer three is still and peaceful","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer two is a great place to hide out","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"but theres no sense of like i see myself because the self is just not seeming real anymore","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"am just the space","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"experience of senselessness might","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"location one of layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"charmed life maybe sounded interesting obviously those would all involve coming back from where youre headed","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer four experience","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"it feels beyond states and experiences","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"negative feelings","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer one from a more persistent higher place as well","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"layer two quality","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"promote motivation","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"encased in gelatin","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so you said that you werent sure whether at times your you were viewing layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"spaciousness emptiness presence fullness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so when that when you feel that you are that thats really near the deepest reaches of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"joy and deep peace","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"meta experience","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"so think of layer two as that sense of space spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"eucharist","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"shifted to that deeper","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"whats out there is out there","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer three and location two","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"watch the thinking occur but you really are not an active participant in the thinking process","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"i could i could fortunately i could stay clued into the to what they said and then id say something you know oh tell me more about that or you know that was all i could do i couldnt work out what i need to do with this client","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"false assumption","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"should i just focus like only on layer two for like a week or two or and then its like trying to because maybe im trying to do too many things sometimes","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"that stillness is then next sort of felt as a fullness","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"emptiness is two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer two its more like i dont have that kind of feeling at all","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"it feels more pleasant than the senselessness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"density fullness aliveness is","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i said was the crushing loneliness of the divine that was beautiful in his stark simplicity","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"about layer three idea of fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"spaciousness and the emptiness being accessible and then you know","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"you know thats cool keep in mind charmed life is a locking in of location two layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so possibly in that direction thats one of our qualities that we look for for a very deep experience of layer three yeah its clearly somewhere deeper than what youre usually access in terms of having the greater sense of serenity or stillness and feeling just generally more like present theres","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"it wasnt empty its all of a sudden full","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i think it feels more like the fullness right now at this moment","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its probably like a layer like a layer two kind of thing","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"deconditioned neutral emotional relatively emotionally neutral or whatever kind of deeper layer one type experience","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"embedded in layer one because theres a you experiencing this not necessarily its still nondual there wouldnt be like a separate looker or something but theres still a sense of an individualized sense of self that is recognizing and experiencing this all present all containing awareness","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"however if i dont really have to i can sink in pretty deep but i think i can reach into layer three of location two","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"true thats a tricky name yeah yeah okay well um yeah all that all that comes up to say would be related to that um self dropping away which i think because of your experience with helping people shift out of the personal sense of self um and seeing that from the other side um you can probably um sense into in some way uh so theres the personal sense of self which is really constructed conceptually and what youre experiencing is what one could consider an impersonal sense of self in that there is beingness or presence you wouldnt say that theres you know that you dont exist or something um but its not personal in nature its universal in nature it is you know in union with all being with the essence of all being um and when that disappears theres obviously a disappearance of even the quality of being or beingness theres like just existence without that condition because being is then perceived to be a condition that would imply that you know what what existence is subject to a condition of being and it feels just more fundamental or absolute than that but the the self is essentially what remains is that which reflects on experience so im not talking about the mind having an interpretation of experience but simply that which kind of reflects on experience and has therefore got the sense of i exist i am but also produces relationship and so thats this is really","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i would have to say probably not its just that i think that the mind gets so active in trying to kind of like very quickly come up with things to say or stuff like that that it can feel like","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"centreless quality of aliveness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer three of location four you know as you experience them there you know with that amazing richness and because its emotional the richness is emotional","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so in the fullness just feels really full","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i want to say infinite completeness","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"yeah thats where the fear comes up if i can get over to location two layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer three seems more real than anything else","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the fullness feels bigger","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i would say not divine because i think i have a past experiences with divine that really the way i describe that is like almost something pulling me up from the sky like trying to pull me towards it like whether its outstretched hands or just that presence but this was not that this was im sort of on the same in the same field on the same level as everything and the love is sort of just all around","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"like glimpsing into layer four by doing like unprovoked happiness but and then the fact that it didnt last too long which is thats indicative of just the layer four but not location four thing","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"probably youre already doing all of that intuitively it would be my guess and then the other thing is there was you mentioned temporary glimpses when deeper of a shift of your identity into spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"it just collapses","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"youre sort of still in the mind","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"layer one is interesting because theres like the active thought with the words the narrative in the head","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"vibrancy","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and then the mind comes in with resistance at that point or deepening in that direction just kind of trying to keep your identity somewhat centered around layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"spacious perception","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"location three its like they sink more into some aspect of the qualities that hold them in location three at at layer three you know and they dont quite get to you know the the progression from layer four and then location four kind of standpoint","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i would just try to make layer three a home base by sinking in more and more and more to you know every aspect that you have access to relating to it","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i would say play to your strengths for the moment write what you have access to that is further than layer one location one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"in location three there was a certain clarity that i dont have now because it was like less commotion or deadness because like the love would infuse every thought so a thought would come up and instead of me where i am right now i dont want to deal with it it would just be like oh its okay its lets lets just sit with it and the loving feeling would just infuse every thought and then certain judgments that id have oh well i dont really need to look at it that way i can well i can just put love in this or i can just love it so that that id say that was like the most stark contrast","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"im more on the layer three since the feeling is really really sunny right now","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"if you were at layer three before that or something","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"a sense of of presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its the latter its become the spacious emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"thats who knows some portion of layer three or some afterglow from layer three or some thread to layer three or whatever it is but then you know youre really going to want to spend time dedicated time sinking in and really clearly communicating to your system and to the habit formation in your attention that no no no its these things you know its not the spaciousness its not the emptiness its not the spacious emptiness its not the spacious emptiness combined with the fullness its the fullness its the presence its the infinite field thing its whatever","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"sense of container","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"sense of self shift all the way into layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"just that your your descriptions of location three layer three and of deepening into the the divine and into the celestial beyond that or through that in that direction and the devotion and reverence and all that its its extraordinarily well put into words amazing and its i recognize it you know its its ive never heard someone else put it into words like that and it was just phenomenal to read you know so cool um wow and yeah i agree with the same of what i used to call the divine turned out to be the celestial that deeper you know its its very difficult to define it but yes like the the divine that is initially experienced in location three if it shows up that way that people are referring to is more like a construct than you know as as that falls away with the celestial orientation there is this way more i dont know what to do what lens to use at this fine but much more foundational and deep and profound vast kind of infinite sense of divinity","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"a feeling that you are the thinker im not sure whether what youre describing is really shifting your identity or whether youre just shifting the focus of your attention to be you know almost entirely occupied with thought or with you know speaking personality aspects and so on so that shift that were looking for if its you know true fluidity to layer one that would mean not only is your attention occupied with the contents of layer one but also the sense of self has moved into layer one like you are the personality you are the thinker you are the one speaking you know generating those","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"feels transparent","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"infinite emptiness or spaciousness and everything just shows up within it and disappears within it","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i found an exemplar of someone who i found inspiring and how theyre navigating the world and it was only one week so who knows if the rest of his life is a mess but somehow energetically and his stability and his ability to pretty much be in grounded in the situation with a great deal of palpable presence and peace so again if i was kind of trying to reverse engineer it i was thinking well that s potentially like location three with access to one or location to layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"pervading presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"nonduality thing","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i think because it felt like theres this like almost cold empty space and a kind of clearness to it by just like a lot of like it empty empty is what it feels like empty","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"that you had mentioned that location two layer four is like not that likely to happen um and this this sense of like just what is or just you know everything is just the way it is or whatever um that doesnt seem to go in and out um but you know theres theres no perceptual difference to it its just you know its just like not an understanding but its just like it feels like once thats there why would you think otherwise you know","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"its very possible that youve had some glimpses of that so as you you know work with layer three and sinking in in that direction you might have memories come up like that","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"love compassion you know joy those were such a live motions","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"you know in your experience you may not be experiencing those as strongly as you otherwise would without being in layer three and having you know sort of the experience of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"a divine experience","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"which pulls you all the way back to layer one and location one basically as those as those experiences fade","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"it kind of flushes me with warmth you know its wonderful i wish i had that in winter","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"deeper stillness infused within the spacious emptiness","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"when you say luminosity what experience","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i think the centralist thing might not relate to deep and layer three center lessness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"everything arises","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"thats generally your sense of what you are except when your attention gets very pulled into layer one at which point we dont know for sure whether your identity shifts there or whether just all of your attention is occupied with it and youre not noticing the the space around things","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"there was just one thing i wanted to say its interesting listening to the way youre speaking because youll the way youre phrasing your experience by saying theres no me or i disappear or you know theres no self there is actually relative to the reference point of your ordinary sense of self so if you stabilize in layer three and really have that be your sense of self its theres more of a tendency to just say well am you know this kind of all pervading field of presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer three is going to add so much more freedom","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its for everybody its like that experience i had on mount sinai when i encountered jesus","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"shifting into layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and but there s this is like one very positive feeling where that in a very strong connectedness to other people i so there is a sense of self but it s not  it s not important so it s but i can feel the difference","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"then you get increasing distance from that starting at layer two and working your way up through the layers","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"feels like a big space","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"presence i","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i remember then i can sense the presence as initially as one of the objects that is in and then i have to sort of relax","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer one isnt in the mix as much and that can feel just so much more encompassing as an experience of nonduality","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"layer three sort of presence thing then that would suggest that you are fluidly moving at least some of the time","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"location two layer three because thats a really good place to talk to people","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so in like a watcher kind of way","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"layer three that really resonates","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":" theres not theres nothing centered on you perceiving those sounds either as a hearer or as a more localized but different from the rest of it sense of spaciousness or something like that you know as well","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"but in layer three it does become infused with more like again this bubbling energy with this joy and more softness its also a kind of openness but its more communicative with the environment its like more sensitivity and more energy and it can turn into joy also and gratitude things like that","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"spaciousness or presence","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"love is impersonal","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"it was pretty noticeable when we jeffrey did the sinking into layer two meditation that was more like distinct than my usual state","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"somehow to convince their system to go dual again so that they can take advantage of probably by that point where theyre at in layer three of location two to allow a switch","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"kind of a sense of the divine","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"first transition","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"more diffuse stillness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i have my doubts about that one because sometimes i feel like maybe a more like a layer four but because i dont feel theres a container per se but i do describe it as sort of a bubble of perception which is a container but i cannot find really a boundary to that so it doesnt really feel like a container to me","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"you know youre past the sense point obviously of layer two youre to the direct perceiving of layer two at various amounts of depth of layer two and even to the point where youre starting to get occasional periods of identity shifting into it and so thats you know a really good progression into layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so you might be more in that direction in the sense that you get that profound sense of peace and very little affect in that deeper place in layer three in location two then then you know and thats thats fine but if you want the love joy version of it um you may need to either try to bias your system in that direction by you know seeing if you can call up the love joy sort of qualities that tends to be a little bit shallower in layer","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"location three layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"to be really functional as opposed to location two layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"when you access layer one when youre triggered","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"theres been a lot of stillness and almost since even very early on when i asked you about fullness i started to be a stillness that came on almost like the stillness was providing you access to introspect on the fullness or something like that","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"sometimes yeah sometimes i certainly had it as i go a little bit deeper like as im kind of like more like with time space the time just space sort of yeah like maybe slightly different from all the other space but sort of space","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"would mean a loss of self loss of the center loss of beingness um loss of ones own existence so um so yeah its its natural that your system would kind of pull back to even if its just the upper reaches of layer three where there is awareness","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"like that joy is always there","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"kind of calm stillness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":" i think thats maybe why layer two seems less familiar","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"no thought feels true or important","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"and you can use that period to work on exploring and deepening into layer three where youre already at but you could also start seeing if you can develop some fluidity or access to layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"mind is much more quiet","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"theres a flatness","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"intensely present","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i do notice that when i do some deep work or i really go into that layer three experience that feeling will come up","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"when i do come into that spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"the body can relax and the blocks can relax as well and a feeling of being of being connected to my environment feeling that around me and through me and more through through through the center of the of the of the heart area and feeling like it it is looking back at me and and yeah feeling a sense of of emptiness or loneliness or loneliness but but then it can change and it feels quite quite full and and that arises also within within the center of my heart or my space when my heart is and if i sort of feel feel feel into my heart theres a sense of sacredness or our maternal beingness there like a like a feeling of of of purity of purity of timelessness like like a sense of a sense of perfection um expression or play and um yeah sort of so thats when i do the exercises where i stop and look and thats what i tend to find but i guess sort of in my day to day life i feel as though me and i still have i still feel like im a self ive got a body but but i can just take a moment and i can i can feel that spaciousness around me and and often like ill work quite a lot so often ill be quite tired and i do that energy that really changes i feel much more energized and relaxed when i do that","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and then you talked about a joy and deep peace spreading throughout you when you receive the eucharist","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"fullness as a is an attribute of layer three and so you know focusing on sort of a core attribute of layer three is no guarantee that its going to just continue to sort of deepen you further into layer three to the point where that will fall away the safest thing to sort of focus on is a sense of silence or stillness whichever one of those is most relevant to you and that in your experience is sort of thats the thread that sort of runs you know to the deepest point in this particular you know sequence um and so if i were to focus on anything it would probably be um you know to focus on that the other thing that i would focus on is trying to perceive whats on the other side of that boundary","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"disinterest and lack of affinity with others","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"it doesnt feel differentiated but like it doesnt feel like theres too much of a differentiation between me and the room and so the aliveness that i feel inside of me and my energy i guess is yeah i dont i dont see a clear distinction between that and whats going on around me","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"continual expansion","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"like when i met when i meditate or if i do someone noting im always saying im being being a lot","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer one level","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"but i think one thing that your layer one could do it would be nice your mind could do that would be nice and that you could do maybe in terms of reminding your mind would be to just be okay accepting more of your experience without all of this second guessing","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"seeing you as this magical being","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer one that you have greatly reduced selfreflexive thought story and past future","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"and so thats a deeper experience of both or of layer two than just directly experiencing it","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and then goes up to layer two in location one","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"also have experience of emptiness and mean did","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so id say for this weekend you know you can watch the layer two stuff play around with it if you want but probably or have more of an affinity to the layer three stuff","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"happy","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"how there is this experience as i go a little bit deeper how things are sort of like like they are frozen you know like in in toys i think thats the movie theyre the toys are all alive but then the kid looks at them they are like they are not moving so it sort of feels like that like everything is alive but its not moving because im looking at it and so as soon as i stop looking at it it will you know things will start moving","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer one through","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"yeah i would think probably not too it can really feel like a return to layer one if youve become more established","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"universal i would say that there was that guess i saw that fear wasnt necessary and that it was conditioned","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"theres a very spaciousness quality to that moment","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"god without it feeling divine","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"presence would generally be more layer three but can absolutely be layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"clear openness never goes away","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"do you feel like its the fullness thats perceiving the spaciousness as in is your sense of what you are remaining kind of rooted in layer three and sort of becoming aware of the spaciousness or emptiness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"regarding layer three right but id say its a minority of people that are going to experience either one of those i never experienced anything involving luminosity for instance i did experience sort of the viscous fluid thing heard a lot of other people describing the luminosity thing","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"sounds and colors and everything just becomes enjoyable","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"theres spaciousness there theres emptiness there","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"mystery","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"so you really want to be using your access to layer two you want to be trying to spend as much time as you can sinking into being the spaciousness when that occurs trying to get that to happen as much as you can trying to just sink into it you know put your attention on it sink into it communicate to your nervous system this is what we want this is what we want this is what we want","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer three is more like it feels like its this you know field of presence thats still and pervades everything infuses everything um rather than necessarily being the things you can get that type of experience but it certainly doesnt feel like its around things or its containing them it feels you know very clearly like its sort of yeah pervading everything","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i am my thoughts and emotions","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"accepting the stillness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer three with the help of the descriptions","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"sense that there is this sort of space within which the universe shows up or you can feel that you are that space","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"covarying with the active qualities of layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"clear openness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"certain qualities of layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"if you were in layer three of location two and you were in a spot that had you something like joy or love or whatever arising then that would be your experience and so it s gotten a lot more nuanced as weve released more and more information and detail and just sort of had time to do that","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"im immediately noticing that im the witness um and then its obvious its easy to notice then that things have an emptiness about them and that theres","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"its like its got its own gravitational pull","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"because at that point its like the light cant turn towards it and light up inequalities and thats the only way you know that knowing has happened you know its always been relational even though its in union or it can be nondual but theres still that which knows like awareness that which lights up experience and when that entirely disappears into existence itself or into reality its only that unto itself which is entirely without those qualities","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so then then i realized after reading the book like one and a half times so im like oh well maybe that spaciousness is whats referred to when im in meditation and theres this part of it where we call the ring space and i go there and its just just all space and it feels happy to be there um but the thing that confused me was that i couldnt say in that experience that everything was arising from that space its like someplace i go to so that thats why well maybe thats the beginning of layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"because location two layer four can sound so much like","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"deeper stillness pervading and coexisting with the spaciousness and emptiness","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"maybe ive just been telling myself presence equals layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"yeah so that definitely seems like a good direction for this this the next two weeks or whatever since were working on layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i definitely i definitely feel so when im one one thing thats shifted recently is that is that like in the last probably six months is that i used to whenever i would get bug reports i would react to them pretty negatively um sort of in a fear response kind of way like oh i fucked up and like im going to lose my job and you know not that i was really seriously entertaining that but just kind of like there was a gut feeling like that and um a while ago i noticed that if i just treated them as scientific investigations um that i could do i could do all of my debugging from layer two instead of from layer one and that was so much more pleasant and also so much more effective because im not wasting any time like oh this is going to be bad theres going to be you know like all of this like reflective thought about like you know whats going wrong and what the implications of this is gone like forget it dont worry about it just do the debugging and so yeah i mean but you know i also feel like i mean ive had experiences of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"nothing like not much emotion going on","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer one is going to percolate you know to an active state in that situation","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"presence made of the space","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so in layer two i think sometimes im affected by my sister has also taken this course and her descriptions of that sense of unity","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"ill drift back out to usually like layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"silence is really big","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer two is sometimes more effective for that","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"dont notice the stillness and the spaciousness anymore","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"even the visual field itself kind of like um narrows so theres like this huge feeling of relaxation and freeness that i feel in what im calling layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"but i felt like there was a very distinguishable sort of feeling that you know everything was just arising and that everything was that spacious container that rang with me so much i used that to kind of deepen into layer two and it was really nice like what a fantastic space sensation","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"with layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"blister action more like what is the very foundational stillness within it and the senselessness of it um so those are kind of the qualities of the really the deepest reaches of of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"you start to get a sense or an awareness of a level of pure existence that is the deepest silence the deepest stillness thats within awareness","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"the energy","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"might say aliveness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"yeah it is so this this stillness is a bit more still like the presence sort of is like it was like a like you know with it wasnt quite still but it was a bit more still in fullness or much more still in fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"when youre in layer one its mostly rooted in a higher layer whether its layer two or layer three or even layer four","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"it might be a deeper a deeper experience of layer three and location two where its all the divine and your individual sense of self has further fallen away um because if there was just from the way you describe it you can correct me if im wrong but in location three you would feel like the self is dissolving into the divine um or sort of coming into union with it it wouldnt feel like it just gone and theres only the divine functioning through you","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"but if youre rooted more in layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"merged with experience","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i was going to i was just thinking about i was just going to say it feels like there feels like expansion within the fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the one that were really talking about in the slides is at the end of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"openness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"yeah its definitely not going to reach your level but that doesnt mean its not impacting your actions and the decision making lower down at layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"layer two and how much i really dont like it i like i really dont like it when i get into layer two but thats thats where i was pulled from my home and my friends and my school and my life like my clothes everything i mean from an eight year old point of view it was like my life ended im recognizing now that i probably have some deconditioning to do there specifically at layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"location two also combination layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"it mean like it does feel like theres a kind of contraction here right so im like okay this is obviously the listener i get it but it also at the same time feels spacious","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"a place of like a deep safety","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"spaciousness is coming i dont know how to describe it","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"yeah yeah i think so yeah","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its aliveness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"pure layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i can get in touch with spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"then do the same thing with layer three you know sink into layer three as much as you can while you have that sort of worst case type imagination happening and all of the conditioning up around it and let layer three to work its magic just you know hold it hold it active in your mind as much as you can in your experience as much as you can in terms of whatever that worst case scenario type thing would be or variations of it or whatever","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"but it sounds to me like youre at least in experiencing layer two with the classic descriptors of spaciousness and emptiness and that kind of thing","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so i can feel for example centreless untouchable and presence i do not feel joy but i can i can feel a lot of stillness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"beingness or presence or knowingness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"sensing of fullness coexisting with the emptiness","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"spaciousness is usually when im trying to hit layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"yeah so the class or the session following the layer two session will be layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"all of my thoughts went away my mind is so still whatever else compared to the buzzing noise that was before and your normal egoic narrative sense of self","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
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{"text":"you know your thoughts and emotions that are sort of seeing a glimpse of spaciousness or something from where theyre at it sounds more like youre rooted in a stillness and a silence and a peacefulness a silence and a peacefulness are the words that you use that has you know more spaciousness from thoughts and emotions and like maybe your you know accessing layer one more","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"i didnt really experience it much at all it did talk a lot last year and i had no idea what it was like and in that course we experienced that and it was really nice","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so did it have a sense of senselessness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"even if you were to go to a you know a more heavy layer three experience in location four you know the definitions and feel and sense and what youve abided and up to this point its like a night and day difference from a layer three perspective","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"you talk about having space around the motions watching them come and go","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"emptiness doesnt resonate at all","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"there is not being nor is there not being right","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"just everything and this happened to me like every time im sinking like deep","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"default is more silence and more peace and more distance from thoughts and emotions you might be rooted in layer two during those times","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"piece moves more to the foreground","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i looked into a bit of attachment theory and then i so i sat down the first of the month you know to do the exercise you know i literally got an airbnb in the forest for a week and said i would just go through the finders book go through the wheres the locations book and just start writing stuff down so i started writing stuff down and then i kept just getting super triggered so i just took a pillow and i just like hugged a pillow for like ten hours a day for the whole week and i think it was must have been an attachment theory thing because when i started feeling safe certain triggers started coming up and then boom instead of the trigger you know me like going into safety mode it just ended up releasing and then i must have been a week ago found myself in location three four and you know not for a few minutes but for a more consistent period of time a couple of days so now i think im a little further back down in location two later three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"looking out at the space","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"will there be a is there when theres a when theres a trigger and you go down","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"like a weighted blanket kind of pressure so guess it feels a little heavy but in a in a desirable kind of way","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i have consistent access to joy and equanimity at minimum but im always like its fantastic","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"you know you never quite know how these things are going to play out when the jumps occur for the first you know times um but yeah theres theres heading in the direction of layer four and through it to location four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"the emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"seer","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer one i can the thoughts and emotions seems very impersonal","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"layer two it relates to the sense of the spaciousness being everywhere being everything","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"the fullness does still feel like its here again um","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"it would still feel like everythings just showing up you would just have most of your attention centered on the mind and there would be some individual sense of self associated with that but not that felt sense of this thing","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"go for the joy","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"deconditioning","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"theres very little layer two in it have you ever had an experience that was solely layer two you know like really just emptiness without a sense of fullness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"then theres the fullness is accompanied by","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"being beingness or presence or the divine","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"that makes sense because remember like the first ever transition had into fundamental wellbeing and then a second transition when i went probably to a deeper layer i think those two transitions felt very strong and noticeable quite dramatic mean they were not like you know catastrophe dramatic like some people have but you know they were unmissable right whereas this feels this shifting between what might be layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"that sense of being presence being presence and being everywhere","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its a shallow sort of layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"qualities of the joy","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"targeting the location two layer three sort of charmed life type of sweet spot in part to get a sense of sort of the magic that can really be in life","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its more like 21 so mostly layer one as i am still very much in the world and not so out there doing stuff","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"seems like its just sort of showing up","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer one when im talking with people","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"space perceiving","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
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{"text":"experience of awareness becoming aware of itself","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and so if youre deeper in just the spaciousness and youre really sunk into it and whatnot","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"fullness of presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"spaciousness is coming from that side from your left side","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i think its predominantly a location two layer three im just thinking of like recent glimpses i think of being in union where like im just driving and and i just completely","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"im that layer three some aspect of the layer three type experiences","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"full related space or a more emptiness related space or something like that","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"yeah let me describe some things that could be happening for you and you can tell me whether it resonates or whether parts of it do or you know what your sense is around that so that deeper layer you know beyond layer four um what it makes possible is a very a great degree of fluidity in a certain sense but even a kind of almost as if youre in a greater like more a greater dimension than the matrix and you can kind of see all of it","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"it just feels like the words become simple","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"that means youve got quite a lot of range in terms of different qualities of layer two that youre able to experience um the spaciousness the all containing nature of it","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"when something is very beautiful there is still this sense of im noticing its very beautiful","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"layer three of location two because youll be experiencing some sort of separation some sort of union","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"you could be a dominant experience when your mind when youre when your system is just relaxing right it can just be zoomed out into its default location that might be like location two layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"what might be thought of as a beingness type of beingness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"no separation","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"  and and to that point so what i mentioned earlier with the teachers ive been working with and really working with one of my buddhist teachers thats the person i was referring to really made a huge difference and also my ability to access nonduality but a big emphasis there was feeling emotions","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i feel like nothing there","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"not the nothingness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"increase things like the motivation problem","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"centralis and connected","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"in that moment do you think that youre just moving deeper into layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"not a divine type of love","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and then when you realize your all of your attention is on layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"which would still mean that the mind is quite dominant in your experience","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"its more like spaciousness and yeah when im deep in there its like im this space im just this space and everything is arising in it even me","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"difference between revelation and illumination versus selfexperience","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"im whats interesting you know you ask some questions that i listened to earlier ones about emotion and its an interesting one because i mean all those questions are great things to reflect on because emotion you know when you talk about love and ive really noticed when you ask that question because love is an emotion um its tricky because its so deeply ingrained of what it is that it clearly not that i can but its a totality of what is showing up and so theres just you know i think one of the words i heard is love is just what is and i didnt understand it and now thats all there is theres just the love of what is and since i dont know what this is or this is theres a love for that too and i think you know maybe im talking to one of the biggest ones was knowing about emotion and how its not here and they extend it whether its here or not and only knows when it shows up as i said i separated from my wife and thats not been easy but its now pretty solid here but still she resents very deeply what happened and you know theres no forgiveness there so when it was interactions she usually ends up with some type of unpleasantness toward me and there was the last time its just i just felt this exuding sense of love and compassion for what was being expressed and it had nothing to do with ear and it was just no feeling of emotion arising it was just an openness of saying yes that too and you know that just kind of blew me away i hadnt felt that before","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"pervading all experience","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"the mind content that buzzing is you know been pulled away from even more","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"but it certainly sounds like youre predominant location is location to layer three it sounds like you probably can get pulled down to layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"you mentioned that it feels like the presence is equally present everywhere","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"full sense of aliveness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"bubble of my being it feels in a way more pleasant","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"no distinct sense of an eye that is thinking","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
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{"text":"it seems pretty clear that im in location three layer three and its just theres just this strong overriding sense of joy and contentment","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"can seem like a gift","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"it feels like my bodys included in it like its much larger than my body","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"all pervading quality","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"infusion of energy","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"thats certainly possible i can understand you know a sense of aliveness in the body right being comingled with an aliveness with sort of the aliveness as one of the words or one of the one of the aspects of the sense of presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer three in a sense theres i was just having a friend dinner with a friend last night and i said the one thing even layer four i said i which is where i investigate i still have a thing of i care about what people think about me and i say that theres no self well thats just silly but the conditioning and ive looked at it and done spend time with it and its almost laughable in a certain way the way it arises i can see it and i kind of laugh at it but it still shows up so in some sense theres some sense of emotion around that you know so i say yeah so theres what it is for me is freedom um thats why i even say low layer four early location four yeah all of that you know it just continue to deepen and free this to be just whats here","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"deep sense of joy quiet joy appears and it feels like this joy is almost at the heart of everything that i perceive","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"richness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i was going to say that the stillness feels like home","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"empty spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"that i dont know how we deserve it and its not even a deserved thing but its there for all of us and its so its so astonishing that im just in awe and in humbleness and thats so thats part of that echo of that experience on mt sinai comes through thats what im thats whats coming through when i receive the eucharist and its not even an echo its pretty strong sometimes","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"diminishing access to layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"something into this experience of two so my experience of this has you know its just now releasing a lot of the as of a couple of days ago thought it might be wise to look at this yeah so um so ive been experiencing you know this very strange weird nonduality type","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"sensory experience","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its all still that layer three that fullness that bliss that aliveness its all there always","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"fullness and richness with presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"listener is in your head","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"but again that is if i choose to focus in that way and i dont have a sense of emptiness rather i would say when i you know when if i just feel its more of a sense of fullness that im experiencing and i feel like i experienced that in the world as well so not just in myself and but then when i relate to people for example that is still going to be you know im still going to default back into seeing us as two separate individuals right and you know very much in that way","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"richness of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"coming from somewhere maybe its moving in um mhm it feels more like a place where i can exist with the headache at the same time","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"wanted to see if we could use that to maybe get you fluid between location one and location two because were not really worried about you not popping back for anybody thats listening to this dont do that dont do what i just had to do just as like a default normal exercise i have an enormous amount of faith in where ted is anchored and the fact that he would pull back there its possible if you reconstitute the looker that you get stuck back in location one and then thats that and whatever else right i wasnt worried about that with ted for those of you listening and so you know you wont hear me do that very often this is one of those rare times when i felt like it would be okay to do it yeah so in this case i think what youre experiencing are sort of those remaining remnants down at layer one and location two","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"theres a awareness thing through well its not even that its less than that its just whats seen and i dont even know what that is because when thought is taken out of it theres no no location theres certainly no me in here and there and theres no attributes theres no colour theres no shapes i mean they are there because we can describe them as that but when i come back into really question what is there oh theres just this and the same thing goes with the center of the body which fall into the spaciousness it becomes even seen ive just noticed how in itself is a is a vibration i never knew a character is seen i always thought seen was vision but is vision but theres a sense the way it comes through has nothing to do with anything except its kind of a vibration happening and thats what it feels like to me anyway and thats open up seeing because in that is the emptiness in a certain way theres nothing here enter the void and yet when its infused with awareness it opens up to oh well this is it this this this and theres a fullness there so i dont know if thats helpful in","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"of layer four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"does the joy feel personal","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"youre identifying more youre identifying at layer two essentially which is the classic description spaciousness emptiness mystery as well","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer two with a whole bunch of other people who are immersing themselves in layer two at the same time","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"awesome um so probably it would still be good if you feel up to to spend the next two weeks working on layer two just for its deconditioning benefits and increased flexibility in your system","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"the fullness and the and the presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"distinct consciousness thats its own","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"it feels like its around and in everything like for example the easiest thing like with like when i close my eyes and and i look at that buzzing and tingling then every individual tingle theres awareness of it and the awareness is sort of in the experiencing but also sort of around it around everything at the same time in and around i dont know if thats pervading","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"at the shallower part of layer three just a kind of warm benevolent container","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"layer three type of glimpse a sweet spot glimpse really of location three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"the fullness and so on um what happens in both cases both with the fullness and when i reach the more of a peaceful emptiness is um theres still a sense of an underlying field again like the self","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the thing about all the things that youre mentioning is that they really you know for someone else could be something that might you know trigger them going to a lower location or something like that but theyre not necessarily things that would hold someone in a location you know like you can be in location one layer two as your dominant experience and still have you know triggers that pull you down to layer one or something but nonetheless be anchored you know at a higher layer than that or even over in location two","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
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{"text":"sometimes its emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and then i just realized thats just because i kind of default to layer three at the moment so presumably if i moved further up i would be like maybe i can just i think thats thats just the gravity but yeah","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i was just like deliberately going into you know the experience of of location three or of layer three because thats what ive been obsessing about lately","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"when i was in layer four then this dreamy thing is all gone and its just a reality","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"im still in awareness immersed in awareness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"i still feel like im very much a location in location one and it s just going to layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"that distance is the way something can show up in layer two when people are especially screws with people who are like athletic and like you know play baseball or basketball or whatever else suddenly they sort of suck for a period of time because they you know their spatial perceptions","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"distant from layer one in terms of where your perception is centered","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"quality of clear openness","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"definitely a noticeable shift but if its if its gradual it can just slowly fade in in terms of those deepest reaches of layer three already feeling like theres no possible separation like theres no self even though theres a subtle sense of self in terms of there being being or beingness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"fullness and more presence and stuff","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"changing more into space itself","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
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{"text":"i almost cant feel the emptiness its too full","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"empty or full like the layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"these watcher lookers","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"  not really it feels pretty full it feels more full","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"joy","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"from layer 3 when one deepens into it","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"less personal drama","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"transition","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"love my family","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"when youre describing like a deeper nonduality is the absence of layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"layer three its like you go there and its just immediately gone","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":" so like i tend to function at location one in the mind i think but with the exercise that we did with the introspection exercise um i could sort of feel space around my body um and and or behind my body really like i guess ive got it written down here some of the notes i took um so im feeling of of existing beyond my body um especially the back of my body like the back of my body doesnt exist and this can change so it feels like my my body doesnt exist um can feel like the body this way and and our space im moving through the world","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"weve got certainly have experiences of layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":" how nonduality is experienced it doesnt feel like you see yourself in everything or that type of thing at all","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer three presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"paradox for people","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"another type of presence","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so if ive been in my own space not engaging with people for a few hours or maybe even a couple hours","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so stillness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer two of that spacious beingness that feels like your real nature is always there","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"both empty and full","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so its always functioning from a kind of separate perspective if youre paying attention to it","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"so ive been working on that for decades anyway um but there are some things i dont have access to like dont have access to i cant see or hear or feel the effects of of the energy transmission but that people tell me about later after the concerts over um so i dont have a sense of where exactly its going other people have been able to see that observe that process happening but um for me im just aware of it all radiating out and very very centered and very spacious","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"think the same could be true for you like you literally transitioned to location three in the finals course probably your system would have has no actual limitation in being in location three layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so in layer two i dont have any positive nor negative emotion is like very neutral","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"just whatever is noticing","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"loss of all separation","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"in layer three that youre able to access now and really sinking into those as much as you can um do you have like can you sink into the direction of that meta emotion like are there qualities of love joy compassion that are accessible to you in layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"up through that location im sorry layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"theres a smear of the mind in there too and even maybe how i experienced layer three as well","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"thats kind of i suppose you could think of it as a very shallow experience of layer two certainly because you have sense of spaciousness as well sort of crossing over into layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i am that i am that fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and then theres the the implication or the intimation of a of a kind of sparkling a shimmering and energy aliveness to stuff um its almost like a its almost like a mischievousness like a laughter","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"in some aspects of it its individual and some aspects of these locations we could have very granular you know type of changes we find its almost impossible to communicate those to people you know that it just sounds like a smear and so we cluster things at the at the boundary of what is a smear able sounding thing for the most part yeah yeah and so thats what allows me to listen to an experience like yours and think you know dont think that was so much a location three experience probably as maybe something more in location two layer three yeah all right","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"because were talking talking about earlier about this peripheral and can be like a big peripheral sometimes where its where its a sense of almost like world mind body like a whole or universe mind body","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"the losing of that illusion nothing is gained","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"impersonal joy love compassion is often described as being sort of a quality of of what is or quality of the presence or quality of the field or the knowingness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so that that would that sounds in the direction of the experience of something that is like a center but entirely impersonal quality of that without any personal attributes at this point um yeah its interesting there are other ways you describe things like not not relating to the phrase theres only this but youll say things like theres all arising or even theres all this all this and so a lot of those phrases or even just saying like everything is its not separate its all interdependent or its all showing up um all of that is still making reference and placing attention or emphasis on all or everything as if theres still a subtle perception of multiplicity which in that very pure experience of layer four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"space that youre experiencing as kind of the locus of the seeing","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"from layer three most of the time","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i noticed like i was a little concerned when you said it might be location one im like oh no i want location two so there is this kind of things that come up all the time and even though ive become like really aware of them its just it just still comes up and i still experience it and there is like there is some a little bit of a feedback loop if there is some frustration with that oh again so thats that feels like layer one at layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so when you say the word resonance for layer two you feel like you have a resonance with layer one but not with layer two","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"its a just the awareness whether its it seems to be really full these days like and then i can see theres emptiness there but then i dont i dont think i stay in the like layer two emptiness for long","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"presence feels kind of special","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"but it a get deeper version of layer three its definitely been i guess enhanced or like shown what is possible and really just me seeing how much me being in location two later three is just kind of i mean the word id say is zombified like almost its easy for me to just sort of escape in that way and feel okay about it and then suddenly going into three three same thoughts same thoughts that would come up in vacation two that i would just escape from suddenly oh wow i have this extra feeling of love i dont have to leave i can just be here and oh they dont you know it doesnt get worse it actually just releases then i think what brought me down a bit the last few days has just been working and you know the casino environment is not even though ive been used to it its not exactly the best for deepening yeah so i think im literally like 29 like im just below the three and you know now i got the next week off so i think ill um go back into it i got this interesting thing called um a hug sleep so its basically an adult swaddle like um i dont know whatever they use it compresses you so you just sleep in it and it just feels like somebodys hugging you so that seems to be working on the attachment theory stuff","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"joy and the fullness and all of that","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"heavily divine or pan psychic or massive amounts of joy or love","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"sounds like you know layer three of location two","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so like a sense of just being more present with the body","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"experience spaciousness first sometimes emptiness first","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"you have phenomenologically you have a more reports around fullness and stuff like that um","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so that does sound like you know youre able to touch upon some aspects of layer three that begin to infuse the spaciousness of layer two having a very deep experience of layer two where you arent even getting that sense of a container like its already feeling more like a field","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"if theyre coming out of layer three location three um you know then so theres always this mix i think youre in a situation where even fairly recently this is you know deepening and developing more in the direction from sort of the top part of location to over into increasingly rooting itself in layer four and for you","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"if you think about divinity as sort of a lower vibrational form of the celestial and you think about the celestial as a potential onramp for a for a very flexible system like yours but not in its lower form not in its mid range form i mean just in its highest most pure most transcendent form and so thats what you would really want to try to find and sink into and the experience of the divine if you wanted to play around with going to the to the celestial yeah be careful of the celestial you know from a relationship standpoint and stuff though of course because like your sex drive will drop off if that matters to your husband or something","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and it also sounds like youre able to shift your sense of self into layer two with some focus on layer two and really sinking into it","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so the love side felt a little the love facet sort of felt a little blocked did it feel like it was it feel like all of these these things were sort of present as one unified kind of meta emotion at one time with just different facets forward like a joy facet forward at some times a love facet forward at another time","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"most of the time curious and open rather than fearful","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"delight","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"although a soulless version of a dark night of the soul word doesnt make a lot of sense to them and so there are these there are such significant changes identity wise for you in that leap from layer three to layer four location four","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i think if you have a some kind of feeling drawn to that and to exploring that i think it is aligned with your um yeah your your feeling called to be a benevolent presence in the world and thats its aligned with that very much and it could produce enough of an identity shift that it would loosen the fixity in layer two of location two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"first layer of depth","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"dual","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"its kind of experienced as the joys for everything or all of everything","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"separation","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"emptiness or got quite emotional","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so so the joy is infusing the knowingness or its coming to the foreground in the knowingness its","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer two potentially","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"location two layer three you might find openings especially through that joy over to location three and you can see if that makes sense","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"they were clearly layer three qualities in addition like a feeling or like a rich experience and the fullness of aliveness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"sort of got confounded with the descriptions of aliveness and so on and layer three but you might","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"field like presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"um but then your second point was getting some fluidity to layer two which given that deconditioning is something that is important to you and that youre working on thats probably a good idea","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"if it was in layer two it would be you moving up to that boundary between layer two and layer three and starting to experience that which is totally possible","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer three of location","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"space or that sometimes full sometimes less full","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i guess sort of like a flowing","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"any sense of stillness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"doesnt feel empty or in the beginning it can feel like the emptiness is sort of infused with presence or beingness or fullness um some people might describe it as an aliveness but it doesnt feel empty any longer","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"youre just like seeing it from you know outside of its space time or something","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and from there you can also see layer one theres a very good connection between layer three and one and location two","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the self falls away","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"m starting to play around with the space between objects so that just to see how if i can move the perceptions it seems like this is all it seems like its all new to me","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"actually made up of that spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"only location one layer two seemed to get a graphic and the bird looks a little confused","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer three is nice but it doesnt beat netflix and cheetos","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its all just there","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"contains everything is everything is just here","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"mostly youre viewing layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"then the fullness that you mentioned from experiences of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the space is always here","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and then goes over to location two and layer two and so on and so forth from there","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so if i do if i meditate in a certain way i have meditated and it happens and i drop into more of a kind of equalized more still flat perception i would say or just not not perhaps not maybe not flat but its like dropping into a different dimension if you could say that like thats not really its not about the physical that much anymore as much as its a different its like residing in a different field that is more quiet and peaceful and if i sink in in my day to day life i can also go go pretty quickly to that straight away actually but i again i guess i choose not to because again somewhere along the way i think one of my teachers emphasized also feeling the fullness but thats analysis for something else but yeah ive experienced that quite a few times","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"from layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"does it go beyond your body","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"help us sort of get a general context of where youre at and i think in some cases youre probably getting glimpses of layer three in location one","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"it feels quite a bit more spacious now","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"perceive the world","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"unless theres some crazy conditioning or something that pulls someone down or which is which often has to be like some significant trauma in the system that just locks them into like layer two of location four you know at which point theyd probably rather not be in fundamental wellbeing","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"the only thing that you havent had happen in layer two is there is something that can happen where the where the center sort of falls away you do have a very centered system still and you can sort of progress yourself through layer two to a degree of detail where the center can fall away there thats like a layer two center just like a center can fall away","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"whereas layer three can be a lot easier to live life from so if that experience was something you loved its cool","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"if i pay attention i can i can go back to layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"theres still spaciousness on one side and fullness on the other","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"we want to think about it that i think part of it is always with someone that we have to you know really come to grips with that really give our systems permission for that really communicate that were okay with that youve spent a long time now telling your system this is what i want experience wise something like this it doesnt have to be exactly like this im open to some variation but you know within these boundaries right and now youre more or less saying something very different than that to go to location four layer four and location three","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"vastness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
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{"text":"a lot of love and compassion present","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"theres a lot of spaciousness and a feeling of a space of awareness in which thoughts emotions sensations perceptions arise and its very very much a default for me you know i dont identify necessarily purely with just the contracted sort of psychological inner being and a physical body i do feel more expanded and feel like all of the the whole the entire bubble of perception is sort of me or im made up of that same whatever that is","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i have so much energy","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i dont remember specifically targeting layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer three thats like more of a layer three center","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":" but there can be a sense of that also without the medicine like this is my this is my universe view so this is my universe view and there are a whole lot of other universe views that im overlapping with so i feel a bit like a venn diagram where were creating some sort of joint reality the there can be a kind of a sense like that so i dont know whether thats more location to layer to sorry","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"it s really a direct experience and i think you are having even from location one the sense of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"there are moments when i tend to sit out on my lookout and i tend to sing a lot and i just love singing and just creating that energy","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its a perspective of you know sort of having seen through the stuff at layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"joy bliss and sometimes just expansion like really just limitless expansion and letting go of","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the magical sense is arising and becoming more foreground and its starting to feel like theres a miraculous quality to everything","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"aware of everything youre related to it as the likeness of existence which is the aliveness is a layer three kind of quality","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"so you might even have conditioned your system to perceive it that way because youve used it as an access point for layer two by paying attention to the space rather than the content of the space","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"generate theyre generating thoughts and and feelings according to the environment and and kind of can not believe them or can just ignore them or study them if they want so so so thats the thats the good days so i think when i when i can do that thats my layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
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{"text":"normal enhanced functioning of the mind","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"space is one thing and then presence is another thing and dont it doesnt feel like presence is made of space though i wouldnt be opposed to them being made of the same stuff","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"an emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer two also to some degree is a good match for your internal psychology","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"when i got triggered i got pulled back to layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"layer three this sense of like you know a field of something or some substance to stuff seems not at all there","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":" i have very little emotion now apart from you know just a lightness dont really get angry even if something upsets me its over almost before it starts i dont really get attached to anything ive lost a lot of sense of memory or worrying about the past or think about the future im much more in the moment um and id be tempted to say location too except i dont have that nondual aspect i dont feel like ive got that i dont feel that theres someone here really i know that theres no one here like an individual entity watching but it still seems like theres a center here so if i look back i cant say yeah its its difficult to and i can step away from that as well so i can see it myself arising and i can see whatever else is arising as well so for example when i wake up in the morning there is no me at all its just quite nice very pleasant just sort of feel myself sinking into the body feeling the sensations and then it might be a little while it might be i dont know its probably only minutes but you know then a thought will pop up and then it kind of another thought and it might be about yesterday or tomorrow","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"whole experience is center less","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"thinker or the thoughts","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"so when you arent in moments where you arent the layer three version","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"having consciousness at layer three liveliness and emotion can be felt in both living and nonliving things","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"very fluid and integrated across layers 1","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
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{"text":"and its still kind of have that aliveness or that awareness quality is still being differentiated from existence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"its interesting i dont really feel like theres a big sense of self happening at that point when i when i think about it because like really whats going on is that im just like you know absorbed in this thing like and when i say im absorbed in this thing i just mean its occupying all of my all of my conscious awareness um and its not uh its not like im you know to use buddhist terms i dont really feel like im grasping to a self at that point its just like im in that place where the self grasping would have been","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"very rich and full","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and then you can start you know when we start the layer three session","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"stillness or silence that you can possibly sense in in layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"when you remember and theres presence which of which of these two things feels more like the case","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"dont have to expect to have like some kind of great observational or analytical type of capacity","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"layer two standpoint","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"okay so thats a good one for you to sink into to kind of get your system to realize you know this is a nondual experience","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"presence permeates the space","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"layer two just feels kind of out of phase with that","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"a sense of pervading fullness fullness that permeates everything you say you often have a subtle sense of this sometimes so subtle that you wonder if youre imagining it","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"senseless","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"responsibilities in my life","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
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{"text":"is your body located in the fullness and the hows that hows it spatially","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"aliveness centered in your body","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"emptiness seems to come further down the line and so if spaciousness is there a little bit more present in the experience and you can remember instances where you shifted into and would have said","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"freedom is really big for me and i have thought when when im at layer four or whatever i could see that i would want to go on easily i could easily see that i would the path of freedom seemed like","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"deeper stillness which is in the direction of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"showing up or constriction in the body","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"um and then when you were talking about like think layer four in your presentation in the six hour class and you were talking about","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"this is nonduality","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"if its layer three then uh it feels it feels like if i go beneath the spaciousness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"like even right now im feeling a little bit the gosh its like a warmth right here in my in my you know kind of chest and just torso you kind of stomach area and just i wouldnt its in the family of joy but i wouldnt call it joy necessarily its also the related to this idea that just and you know that everything is going to be okay but its somehow stronger than that well theres a few things","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so what about a sense of spaciousness or emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"no time no space no sense of self","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"how deep you might be in layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"love for everything","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"really explore layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"like just at that crossing point of layer two where theres still enough of association with layer one for it to react to the experience of layer two that youre having and kind of produce that negative reaction","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"nothing is gained","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"it sounds more like containing","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
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{"text":"layer three of location two is where i want to be","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"s im not im not you know concluding this yet but it does look like that that description is more layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"but if not like the usual like in my daily life its more like layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"looker or a seer","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"you say the sense of presence that is calm vibrant and alive can be like a loud silence theres a sense of electricity in the air for some reason its much easier to notice in a natural setting outdoors outdoors with your eyes open it seems to hang in the air with my eyes closed its very hard to describe theres a scintillating energy that is in my body but not defined by the edges of my body no boundary has a sense of aliveness it feels like an energy field its like a constant hum like the hum you hear an electrical station its a metaphor of course it doesnt literally hum when i focus on it i start to notice a feeling tone it has a joy and a positivity a contentment warmth glow","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"all pervading field or beingness or a type of business or life","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"youve seen me present it where someone lands in location one layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"im going through all this is like in my mind to get me there is all is god is everywhere all is love is everywhere there is only this right so thats my mental loop to try to get me there and get me into feeling into that space um uh and then so thats three three and two three its more of taking the spaciousness of layer two and then feeling into the presence that shows up into layer two and not quite filling the space wouldnt be quite accurate but shifting the space from feeling the emptiness to feeling the presence","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
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{"text":"you know a depth of layer three that just releases something thats","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i can remain in layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and then i watch the mind do its tricks for example itll put me asleep or zone out or these are all tricks that i recognize and but it still manages at times to catch me up but i can sink in it almost immediately into that feeling of silence","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
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{"text":"in layer three there can also be that emotion that shows up thats like a combination of joy and love and compassion with any one of them forward at any given time and often theyre perceived as the same or qualities of the same something you know field or whatever and so you know when asked people generally wouldnt say well no those those emotions are different from the presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"what about the the the stuff in layer four like a sense of flatness of perception the sense that theres sort of just this","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"fluidity","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"aliveness yeah the aliveness sensation wouldnt be layer three you know strictly you know it may correlate to layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and hows the stillness high or low","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
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{"text":"if you wanted to see if you could go in the direction of the celestial one thing to do especially sort of from location three which is kind of an ideal spot is to really put your attention on sinking into just that divine aspect and sort of an increasingly transcendent part of the divine and so if you imagined some sort of more in the direction of layer four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"but i think i probably got good access to to layer three and lie three ive always felt alive three im fairly easily never really felt lied to but through this exercise i could i could feel i could feel lied to a bit more","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"layer one more accessible strangely","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"itll move as you as you sink in but just what you can do is is sink into that experience and really let your system recognize that theres an entirely different experience of what you are or of being than there normally is and while the personal self is you know temporarily either in the background or dissolved there is still beingness you know its not like youve ceased to exist and so you can just let your system kind of recognize that what you are is more foundational than the the personal sense of self that can just fall away because that is already what youre experiencing its just that the recognition of it isnt necessarily happening at the deepest level that it can","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"layer one as arising as part of a singular field of experience","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
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{"text":"but like the distances between things dont seem any bigger than usual the space itself feels very big and infinite and","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"location two layer three the charmed life kind of thing is to have things come to you if that can be used as a phrase or at least using the agency to kind of make that happen","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so as you continue to work in with and sink into stillness and just trying to get to the sort of the maximum of that that is possible stillness silence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"sense of an all pervading field of presence or fullness or silence pervading everything field of silent presence whatever um it can be a field of aliveness but its a nonphysical experience or non sensory kind of perception","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"then maybe glimpsing the layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"it all is just there","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"shift into layer three as a sense of what you are and into the fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and so were going to start on the 29th going into layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"im in location one layer one at this moment","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"full sense of self and a personality","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and your spiritual system happens to end at a certain point of layer three in location two","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"subjective sense that you are the thinker and you are the agent of the thoughts rather than what youre probably experiencing","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"other stuff is very clearly out there somewhere","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"location three layer three maybe you experience again that you feel like you have a soul kind of thing or something","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"emotionless track","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"youre getting a glimpse of layer three and location one","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"or layer two and have an immense amount of activity at layer one","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"there there is like a distinct sense of self there when youre in it","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"it sounds a little bit like you might in a way you sound like almost locked in to layer to","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"fullness and the energy","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"feels like a sense of fullness and energy the warmth those types of things","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"rarely there when youre in location when youre in what you think is location two layer two that s just the default experience that s rarely the default experience that type of thing as well","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"theres an awareness that is awareness of everything happening inside my body and outside my body and expanding way out which encompasses all the people in the space that im singing for um so its inclusive its an inclusive awareness um thats the way i have understood it in the past thats a thats actually a term used just in music performance","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so full","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"when i do think in i spend more time focusing on the fact that there is space and that something is further away rather than focusing on the space","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and we dont know its just one quick observation you know in one moment um so see if you can sink more deeply into the stillness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"only reality just unfolding","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"very attached to my mind","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
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{"text":"im being more passive and you know and i think itll be important for me to recognize that a lot of what i do is really passive","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"but you talk about boundlessness you often talk about things like boundaryless boundaryless field of awareness you know awareness is a term that is more associated from our perspective with layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"strong sense of presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"less concerned about being functional in the world","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"how does anything happen at all","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"deepening into that stillness","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"everythings right here","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"probably  and then you can always of course remember that right um and so you know if if right now what feels like is happening is that union you know dissolving however we want to think about it kind of thing right um it doesnt mean that you cant remember the other thing","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"if that makes sense and what happens is sometimes its fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"just kind of just is its it has a sense of awareness like it knows everything its theres nothing that can its outside of time and space and yet okay its in everything it sees everything it knows everything it theres nothing where it isnt yeah it doesnt fit thats why it doesnt feel like a container to me when i look at that way","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its kind of like a shallow experience of nonduality","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"location two layer four is an easier traverse between going between the layers and to then when you flip into four it","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"maybe primary silence and presence would be the two","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"fullness to it and feeling a presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"suppression of peace","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"you can just go straight from layer one to like a deep layer of you know location two in a very brief period","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"perceiving the fullness less","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"kind of isolated experience of what sounds layer four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"and so perhaps stillness or silence is one direction spaciousness or that sense of it containing everything everything just arising spontaneously within it whatever it is","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"sense of spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer one is temporarily absent","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"theres a sort of draw towards it for myself feels kind of like a natural place for me just like compassion and love feel very inherent to my being in some way","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the body can relax and and the blocks can can relax as well and a feeling of being of being connected to my environment feeling that around me and through me and more through through through the center of the of the of the heart area and feeling like it it is looking back at me and and yeah feeling a sense of of emptiness or loneliness or loneliness but but then it can change and it feels quite quite full and and that arises also within within the center of my heart or my space when my heart is and if i sort of feel feel feel into my heart theres a sense of sacredness or our maternal beingness there like a like a feeling of of of purity of purity of timelessness like like a sense of a sense of perfection um expression or play and um yeah sort of so thats when i do the exercises where i stop and look and thats what i tend to find but i guess sort of in my day to day life i feel as though me and i still have i still feel like im a self ive got a body but but i can just take a moment and i can i can feel that spaciousness around me and and often like ill work quite a lot so often ill be quite tired and i do that energy that really changes i feel much more energized and relaxed when i do that","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"can imagine that as you are rooting and layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"i think having introspect is a bit more i had some i was getting married in may this year so i had some resistance to the idea of progressing beyond layer two or maybe layer three because i felt that it would be doing a disservice to my partner to go into marriage without experiencing love","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"mathematically inclined minds","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its very different than layer four location four layer four type of stuff which is more freedom","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
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{"text":"the all pervading aliveness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"god takes the last step and thats relevant for layer four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"its all showing up out there and youre still here and its out there and youre separate from","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"awareness field like presence stillness the vibrancy so theres just the fullness of course so","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"um i feel like layer three is really natural for me um theres lots of love lots of all those things um aliveness and but yeah","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":" but what it suggests is that its possible that youre having shallower experiences of layer three that youre not recognizing as layer three or not paying attention to because its not the thick liquid um experience that was probably more powerful um because even that sense of presence getting heightened the sense of aliveness pervading the spaciousness is in the direction of layer three beginning to be experienced as simultaneous with layer two","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"while im deepening into layer three i think like the liveness thing but the sense of causality losing meaning and flatness its more like deepening into the raw experience thats available like really leaving all the concepts behind and diving for whats actually here kind of thing yeah","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"something is just revealed in a moment","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"only pure existence","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
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{"text":"location two layer three to me","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"it becomes the emptiness the empty spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer one like i can use the mind","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"theres virtually no fear about the future which is not really good because i think i was motivated by fear and driven by fear","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"you could do that possibly um maybe not you know maybe theres a sense maybe you stay in the shallow range of layer three and just start moving in that direction letting that stuff start to come up","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"feels like full","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"looking at the screen at this distance","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"beneath that field of existence which is something like the universe or just reality that you may be having glimpses of or experiences of layer four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
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{"text":"fullness with the presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"spacious and emptiness","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"cosmos appears or its just that eternal existence","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"and so thats another practice that you can just keep doing you know see exactly how deep you can get into stillness on the times when youre sick and tired of trying to widen out the aperture or look at what else might be happening just sink into stillness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"feeling full of joy","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"theres spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"youve got another direction you can use to sink into nonduality","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"the space size of the spaciousness so that in a silence comes first","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"but the vibrancy and the richness and the aliveness and fullness and all of that are qualities of layer three those really fall away layer four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"think with pure peace just the calmness there would be more spacious calm stillness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"what you what youre describing by stepping back may be placing more attention on the layer two qualities that are also in your experience or it might be some shift in terms of where your sense of self is centered","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"aloneness thing is gone","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"love a yes so its just that yeah i guess the word just has so many different connotations much more than what i have now i think it just kept trying to go more and then it kept being a little blocked so like i guess probably just the beginning stages of location three or just i dont know i dont like maybe it was really deep location two layer three i just dont know how like magical","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"its more about spatial spaciousness than emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"joy and love and stuff like that when it arises","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"and in layer two um theres more spaciousness theres less of when you look through your eyes theres not a sense of identity anymore more of a sense of spaciousness yeah","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"deep","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"senselessness or sort of centered fullness or just the body","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its looking from here out","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"was getting ready to say that then it felt a little more centered so so its either both or neither um feels like theres some fullness happening","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and a sense of separation possibly creeps in you know in the middle of the city its hard to say its not as intense i still do feel connected but not to the intensity as when im with the trees","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so the sensorless quality of nonduality is very deep","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"sense of expansion rapid expansion","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its that all pervading beingness its that mist its the field","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer three of location three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"like even right now im feeling a little bit its like a warmth right here in my in my you know kind of chest and just torso you kind of stomach area and just i wouldnt its in the family of joy but i wouldnt call it joy necessarily its also the related to this idea that just and you know that everything is going to be okay but its somehow stronger than that well theres a few things","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"it might be some way that your system kind of translates or resonates with layer three or sinking into layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i think what im calling the emotional experience of pure peace would have more spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"id have to be quiet still and not doing anything and take some time to just bring my attention to it you know and it might take at least ten 15 minutes just sitting still just to get that get more to drop more into that sense that this is me","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its kind of an imperceptible type of subtle dualities that remain that you only really recognize after theyve dropped away","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"revelation","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"normal person just talking in normal way and then can function very well","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"kind of back to there still kind of this watcher looker","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"boredom thing","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"sense of emptiness in that spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and i liked your suggestion of start doing mini as youre walking around or driving or parked at the lights or something just do mini in and out too because with a strong layer one which i had for a long time i can see how i really need to be on the ball with this","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"mean that when i was looking at the leaves they were of colors that id never seen and everything was a brightness and there was a everything was sparkling and shining and and this was another thing","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer three in location two","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and then it seems like then my awareness is able to just be aware of whats whats there and notice details and all that kind of stuff","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"all of these types of distinctions go","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"can totally happen um and when youre deep in that sense of fullness and presence does it feel like you are the presence you are awareness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and i can if i want to i can play with layer one more be more active with","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"then youll be viewing layer three more","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"background field of presence","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"i remember in 2020 it definitely felt like i was absorbed in the layer three experience that that might have been a clear location three um and at some point that sensation of energy like rising energy currents and bliss and the pervasive magic","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"maybe something youve done its great its really great and when you and you know if you do just want to keep going further and further and further and further layer wise","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"spaciousness of layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"you can look at that in moments where you really feel very triggered whether there is a real sense of self associated with thoughts and emotions that are arising or whether youre just feeling your attention being very absorbed into layer one because that can also happen","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"the more im in layer three the more distracted i am","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"out instead of feeling and presence feels no quieter or calmer","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"youve already won the lottery your system is wired for it youre deep in it you can go to you can experience layer one and","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"sometimes if im in or doing awareness it can be just empty the idea of a container doesnt really i can kind of manufacture the idea of a container but even the container has something outside of it um and its not like its not like distinct for me so i could be doing a guy and like have experiences of both a container and no container but its almost like the container isnt complete containing everything its like almost if you imagine the universe is in a container and theres endless something outside of that","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"oddness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"aloneness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"you know its really sort of in a way using location two layer three in a very specific way","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"agree absolutely and it looks like youve had great progress","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer three seems to come up only after ive like relaxed enough to let go of that conditioning so like i would sit for ten 15 minutes and then i feel that all these sensations in my hands my head my legs usually are they just dissolve and theres nothing left and then there is just like oh there is this peace and everything is just perfect and i dont really get that fullness experience but maybe thats just a semantic thing but there is a feeling of joy and just a flow and everything is just amazing and nothing really bothers me","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
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{"text":"fullness or that beingness from a layer three standpoint","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"well those qualities that youre describing are more qualities of layer three um youre describing you know a quality of a live aware beingness or presence that pervades everything everywhere um within everything so thats thats very much a layer three type description","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the first change well the two main changes as you notice is a more awareness of my thoughts and sensations so the more awareness of thoughts and just everything and also just being deeply connected to the body its like it feels like im shifting from being connected to the thoughts to being connected to the body","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and so for that reason you might be interested in restoring some fluidity to layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"its also possible that its just your attention getting very very dominantly occupied with layer one and maybe a bit shallower","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"if its something that shows up when you deepen into layer three and showed up initially for the first time when you started getting access to layer three then you could probably say you know safely say that its some you know aspect of your experience that correlates with layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"im very joyful like everything is like dreamy joyful and warm and loving","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"just this like sense of energy thats aliveness and aliveness tingly aliveness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"you now see the spaciousness and its even more spacious and even more just infinite","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"youll feel crowded","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"doesnt feel like it has an ending feels bigger than the house","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"deeper into layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i call it the exuberance of the universe like laughter that its a flavor in layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and layer two of location one","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
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{"text":"mean was the anger","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"so when we were just by the way when we refer to the godhead its usually used in the context of layer four of location three right its just a term that a lot of people seem to use to refer to that experience i think because you know theres such a prominent experience of the divine for those people who get a divine experience in location three that you know when they go beyond that to sort of layer four where beyond all distinction just like beyond the divine beyond god whatever you called the god","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"centralist again","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"because that home layer of perception is still you know layer one right and so its exactly you said exactly what i would expect you to say in terms of what pulls you out of it its just basically a snap back to layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"peace and bliss","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"first we are coming into layer two and so starting on the 29th","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"everything is just kind of arising on its own","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer one i can absolutely work out that theres not it cant be like if you go from your own direct experience there just isnt and sometimes its totally gone so listening to music can just be the music is and im not","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"sense of an all pervading presence","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"fullness wise","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"it feels very much like layer one because of the storytelling you know the the analyzing mind and probably im thinking location to because because of you know the the me is very hard to locate you know or there is no me but currently there feels like kind of a collapse of the universal order right into this system right now which you know is very layer one you know","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"i would say im in layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and so the more you experience that in the context of layer two just as you go throughout your life the more you know youre sort of communicating you know lets drive the car half on the curb half on the road kind of thing and so as you go through your day to day life its probably going to remain fairly well rooted in location and location to layer two with that sort of additional stillness being accessible that you can put your attention on","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"of feel feel a bit more emotional for some reason like like when you say that when you know","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
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{"text":"i feel like i have pretty good access to layer one when i work","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
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{"text":"everyone enjoys the being alive","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"of joy or is it the aliveness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"feeling of something here that is perceiving","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"which may be useful as an access point in your during your day because you describe the stillness as pervading everything so and having a quality of sort of aliveness and that type of thing where youre describing the presence as well so thats all kind of heading in the direction of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"but not as regularly accessible as potentially layer three fullness i would say lets talk about the fullness for a minute","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i think im in location one primarily still layer one with some access to other layers","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"more through layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"sometimes theres a sensation where theres like no head or like the visual perception field is significantly wider","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"for you that happens to be layer two which is a lot nicer and probably more aligned with with your beliefs and so on","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer three um but yeah like the the spatial the spaciousness was replaced by the fullness and everything was kind of linked together in a way","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and everything arises is objects and the subject is this space which is me so it is the","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so i guess im bringing a little more layer one into it","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
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{"text":"you get fullness sometimes get emptiness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"do you stay at sort of more of a dominant place of layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"guess its very interesting because the very act of me looking at it shifts what the perception of it mm if i if im just in it it doesnt really feel like its part of the field but if i step out of it maybe my system is slightly informed by deeper states so then it can it can just sense that sense of self that is there but when im in it i guess what im really in it where one is an active enough to really say oh there is that sense of self but so i dont feel it in the moment but i can still feel it when im investigating it or looking at it its like a more subtle sense of the entire experience is a sense of self because their deeper experiences that dont even have that element of that subtle self","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"it but it was very vibrant it was very impactful you know it wasnt and it was very serene it was much more a sense of deep serenity","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so when you say its in everything what qualities of it are you perceiving in everything","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the layer three content or materials are in the courtroom as well","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"being having being so tied up in a belief that you are effectively your intelligence","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"spacious emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"the spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"kind of benevolent existence that pervades the spaciousness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer three is to try and pay attention to what is actually perceiving the space perceiving layer two or what is making the experience or awareness of it possible","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"if you went in the direction of location for fire location layer three of location two um youd sort of avoid those and really sink into the center looseness stillness silence really dissolution of any sense of self","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and even i even hesitate to say me but theres definitely a space between the trigger and whatever is reacting i would say the spaciousness between it","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"the qualities of spaciousness emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"coordinated with itself where the axioms are satisfied","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"well so when i sing sink in um and theres more of a sensation of just energy uh not so much of physicality anymore just just energy and it kind of merges with everything around me just theres a sense of oneness it does feel light it does feel yeah light um and perhaps even luminous much more of a sensation than something very physical if i if i bring up some visuals around that it feels like and it looks","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"by sinking into the qualities of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"anxiety","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"you know the mind and it operating in the mind is essentially operating from the perspective of there being a body you know or a system that is individualized that needs to function in an individualized way to operate in the world","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"i just am or you know whatever people however they kind of put words to that but youre describing it as well the self is just gone because your reference point for the term self is your ordinary sense of kind of individual or personal self at layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"qualities of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"not too aware of other things and and yeah the thoughts also carry a different nature again this happened again after like ten 15 years ago after i read eckhart tolles book the power of now and then after a few years something changed also in how my thoughts were it changed from being a narrative self inside myself to being very subtle thoughts that are quicker and this actually bothered me a lot during my meditation retreats and so on because i found it harder to kind of deal with the mind because thoughts could just come up really rapid pace it still happens and doesnt feel the thoughts have kind of not much substance to it and it feels like a different quality and i would say i couldnt even call it like inspiration it just emerges disappears relevant to to what im doing","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"words that kind of overlap with with layer two i can resonate resonate very well","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer two once where you felt you are the space","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"or get to layer three or location three thank you pardon and uh just to experience this sensation of joy and love connection with the divine um location four i i dont know i dont know about that just because i have a little boy and and i want to be able to be there and engage with him and feel something for him um but id like to see and id like to sink into the deeper deeper layers","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"coincides with the fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"spaciousness standpoint","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"super joyous and love","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"flatness absolute","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"so theres the sort of presence and the emptiness and the spaciousness presence and the spaciousness at the same time um and thats really great","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"space","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"literally nothing else exists","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"everything seems to be arising from and within it","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"expansiveness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"can can kind of manufacture emptiness if i say this is a so this may be maybe this is going back to layer two um emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"maybe aliveness um presence beingness thats showing up","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"maybe a sense of stillness or beingness if that makes sense","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so layer one you know if your attention is centered there its going to be primarily focused on thoughts and emotion if theyre around","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"youve mentioned that lets assume that sort of that spaciousness type of thing is in the direction of layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"looker","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer three thing and say thats you know colors are very vibrant and its just its very intense like perceptual","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"it feels more like presence there is this sort of buzzing energy thats pretty much always happening its quite strong now um thats something that i associate with aliveness but it doesnt have the sort of intelligence that awareness has presence has uh so im not really sure thats one of the questions im not so yeah that buzzing did sort of i do associated with layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"location two layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"that would be my advice not to not for fluidity at the moment or anything like that but just try to get yourself into layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"radiance","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"location three that comes from personal emotions at layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"problems are really creating triggers and triggers are really increasing the volume so to speak or the energy that layer one has in the system","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"bit later i might notice the stillness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"you would want to minimize sort of those proclivities in your experience that relate to location three and maybe try to make it on to layer four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"more empathy","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i feel like im still maybe seeing spaciousness from layer one where i can be aware of it but maybe not purely i feel like when i try to experience it more purely that kind of contraction actually disappears","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"is everything","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"ground of all being","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so that field of existence relates to sort of deeper aspects of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"field of presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":" so like i tend to function at location one in the mind i think but but with the exercise that we did with the introspection exercise i could sort of feel space around my body and or behind my body really like i guess ive got it written down here some of the notes i took um so im feeling of of existing beyond my body um especially the back of my body like the back of my body doesnt exist and this can change so it feels like my my body doesnt exist um can feel like the body this way and and our space im moving through the world","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"all pervading presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"feels untouched","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its a deeper quality of layer three that you were you were experiencing where it really can feel deathless eternal untouchable no sense of an individual self youre deep in it so theres nothing to die its obviously extraordinarily present at that point and","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"centerless or boldness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"sort of the presence and the fullness of place","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"not adding your own noise to that already existing stillness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"realizing the ultimate truth","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"they acclimatize more quality or dimensionality kind of is discernible so something like the qualities of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"im there is just a much stronger sense of awareness and its much easier to get distance from from thoughts when im when im not really doing anything like i would like i would go sit and chat with a friend","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"um of course if youre fully in layer two where youre sensing that all containing awareness and you are that they wouldnt be a sense of something to be alone","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"kept having to just do what was in front of me","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"packets of energy","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"little lower than it was a minute or two ago","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"it freaked it literally freaked her out and so we had this conversation about this type of thing and so shes shes a christian for sure but not a location three christian you know shes a high sort of location you know layer three type of christian","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"but life kept unfolding","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"awareness layer or in the in layer two were just going to well call it layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"they would be viewing layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"four that shifting feels very subtle and i was expecting something a bit more a bit stronger and so that maybe explains why thats the case","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"fullness versus the emptiness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"you experience layer two what is it that makes you say oh no im pretty sure i experienced at least some of layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"stillness or spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so the fullness it feels like its flowing flowing flowing out of me and it feels really full","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"feels very layer two ish which is you know even though mines thinking but i still have the feeling of whiteness and im not so zoomed out would be the best way um okay so that shows up without being under duress and then under duress go back into layer one and start fixing things","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"planning and taking action mostly rely on external stimuli to initiate them as there is no internal drive or energy to do so","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"feel like its kind","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so layer two is is expansiveness emptiness and um zooming out wide field of vision um less mind chatter you know i wont say no mind chatter chatter but what shows up is just kind of like clouds passing um and just i guess expansiveness is the word id use yeah yeah great yeah and really when im driving theres no demands your your present looking to the blue sky and the roads going by and youre just very present in letting it in","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":" something like just stillness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"nothingness always there","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"now i forgot a few years back when i got into nonduality i simply forgot that i had noticed this person what i would call a personal presence","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and if you really deepen into layer four in location two your system will sooner or later be unable to really stabilize that in location two and it will shift into location four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"like even more zoomed out watch your looker","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"fullness awareness and aliveness and just all pervading and pervasive","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"conditioning around my family","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"quality of spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and when you have that shimmer is that happening in a state where youve got more access to layer three type qualities yeah like the warmth you described","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and should i try to sink into layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"spacious awareness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"love and joy and compassion parts of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"beingness that pervades everything","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"but that is probably aspects of layer two that youre sensing into um and you are able to when i asked you the question to you know briefly shift into a sense of identity as layer two as the presence","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer three infused experience where theres a sense of fullness within the emptiness or presence of emptiness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"relying on lists and notes","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"presence you know all pervasive presence a fullness um one could say sort of an all pervasive field","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"going about my day and suddenly ill be in layer one without ever having made a decision","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"it is fantastic","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"those are those are such subjective qualities that dont necessarily apply to layer four and so but lets go back lets go to lets go earlier here and make sure that you know you really are switching between location one and location two yeah thats a little unusual so lets make sure thats happening you actually feel like youre at times when youre in the world your system is literally going from our our nondual perception tests right which involve like a looker in here","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":" like the actual visual field itself is bigger","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i wasnt the emptiness or the spaciousness","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"temporary experiences","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"stillness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"yes if youre more rooted in layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer one i will feel that my thoughts are very real my problems are very real and theres a lot of dangers in the future","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"stable","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"i think spend as much time in layer two as you possibly can regardless of where at","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"expanding in all directions","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"more pervading","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"you still have of course the habits the habit pattern and your attention system that is pulling you back to layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"mindful","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"stillness for you is a good way of accessing layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"remain aware of the fullness of the bliss of the expanded ness and simultaneously exercise the mind to be lucid and articulate and rational and logical and effective without leaving the bliss and the expansion and the and so forth","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"everything that theyve ever heard or read or seen or whatever its all been about union with the divine or union with god or union with whatever deity or whatever","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":" layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"a sense of stillness is always deeper as you deepen in that direction","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"happy to be aliveness kind of a that","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer four of location four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"agency","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"from from layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"like everything is like liquid type","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i noticed you said in some moments the center of a hair seems to fall away and a pervading boundaryless field is weakly present everywhere so it does sound like youre having a centerless layer three deeper layer three experience sometimes","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its this sense of aliveness its kind of weird to say but theres just like a towel hanging in front of it on the chair like in front of me and it seems like it is becoming alive in a way im sure you heard a lot of things but its kind of like this towel is alive like in a real sense like smiling at me i dont want to sound too crazy but there is like a communication going on and not with words and not like something here and something there but just this sense of everything becoming more present a strong sense of presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its obviously influencing the range of fluidity that you have ease of access to because you can access deep experience of layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"but its almost like it has no interface to the conditioning at layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"youve talked about how the layer four is the most primitive part of the brain and and just the other day when i was i think having kind of a glimpse of it i felt more like a crocodile you know like like im just here like ready to you know eat whatever comes across my path and and thats about it you know im not im not like pondering this question im having right now about the human the purpose of my existence as a crocodile","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"peace and silence","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"nervousness and the spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"four felt normalized in location four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"empty","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"like you are entering layer two its completely missing and user interface but so there was like a real like shit kind of movement or shift from i am the thinker of my thoughts to seeing","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"that fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i think the emptiness is a different one","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"sense of self at layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"more analytical type capacities","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer one might be in a more of a foreground on top of that but its within the container essentially of layer three in that circumstance","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"and we still oftentimes shorthand that were trying to train ourselves not to so that well get better at using the labels publicly when were not thinking about it but we still internally will often use you know those old labels and stuff like that so yeah theres a lot of what looks like you know layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer one from a layer one standpoint","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"fullness and whatnot of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"everything just shows up","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"yeah i guess i on my scale was relating the depth of emotion and feeling you know that unpleasant feeling to layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"complete simplicity","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"spaciousness or im seeing this mistiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"youre the presence as the identity has a strong connection to layer one where youd be writing from and see what your voice looks like there","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"sense of self i feel the sense of self is pretty steadily rooted in layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"one thing that i think to pay attention to is when you are triggered next does it seem like will it seem like in that moment that if youre introspecting that theres been a shift of identity","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"now in this moment","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"thats layer three stuff","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"deeper stillness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"charmed life nature of the experience in location two layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and then theres like kind of cross into layer three it feels like it feels like its like like instead of silence things become a little bit more joyful","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"a joy","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"separating away from the individualized sense of self","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i mean its just the simplicity of it i mean layer four whats so interesting about it the deeper one goes the simpler gets","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"location four layer four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"theres just this senseless or present awareness which is deep in layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the silence and stillness stuff that you talk about that runs through everything which it should im just talking about sort of the more distinctive qualities so spaciousness and then emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"showing up in the layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"especially the parts where it mixes in with layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"an all pervading field of presence or beingness that feels profoundly rich complete full alive","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and theres some more notes here like the deepest part of this is the back of my heart feels really sort of timeless spaciousness or or like like like a like a grand dimension um i feel like im behind myself im watching myself im feeling like im a field of awareness the body is still here and it still has sensations and pain but its happening within a field sometimes when im driving it feels like everything is moving through me and again feeling im not having a back or a heart or a head so that so so more the back the back of the body the back of the head im feeling emptiness and when i notice this this then fills up the room um and i feel im in in the rooms um so to speak and so this can have like an emptiness feeling but then the body is still there but then when i when i when i go into this sort of spaciousness feeling behind myself im the body","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"existence","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"so spaciousness is probably the most accessible thing aside from silence","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"that that seems to draw me into the present moment to stillness a sense of presence","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"that makes sense still this feels really comforting so i wasnt really feeling it when i was feeling nervous and im not feeling nervous anymore but i think some nervousness kind of blocks me from feeling this really deep stillness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"individualized self","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"kind of spacious in terms of space","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"a shallow location to with access to layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"it feels like its everywhere","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"perceiver is not right there","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the idea of spaciousness or is there an analog in your system in terms of the idea of silence","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"its accessible when im in a deeper silence and stillness its accessible","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"sometimes i think maybe that is like a layer four glimpse","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"layer four and sort of more primed and ready when we make it to that content","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"i think it s and i think it s more because i feel more connected to other people as well","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"transparent nothingness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"expansiveness to relate","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"even my thoughts","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"  and so for something like an aliveness that you feel in the room","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"most people will never make it there","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"and then i usually become aware of some some sort of tension somewhere in the body and then as i keep my attention it just starts releasing and thats and so that experience makes me think that its its assuming that this experience of relaxing releasing conditioning thats so so i think thats the conditioning that keeps me in that layer one and","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"vast space","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"being like a container for whats arising and the stuff thats arising","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i think its further and i also think there are way more layers than four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"the joy is is always there and you actually just bring your attention to it","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i was mostly in what i would describe based on your terminology as layer one right i was like there was a lot of negative emotion arising","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"dont have a lot to say about it it that that feels like a bunch of conceptual overlay that i want to get away from it just feels good it feels well spaciousness im coming at it from the layer three it just feels very full and beautiful and and its just good okay","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"an all pervading field of presence or easiness that feels profoundly rich complete full alive","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"you know youre being triggered down or it could be down to layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"is there still the fullness and are you still the fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"even if you were to go to a more heavy layer three experience in location four you know the definitions and feel and sense and what youve abided and up to this point its like a night and day difference from a layer three perspective","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"no aloneness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"senselessness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"um whats your experience with with layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"sense of fullness and presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and then if i can and then and then im often able to then kind of like say well you know whats seeing or or who am i and kind of get in touch with actually my awareness of being aware and and so","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"fullness have a quality of beingness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i was trying to generate a little bit of it in my body","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer two more spacious more distance more space around thoughts and emotions type of thing um","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"communicating more directly with reality","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"certainly that doesnt preclude you working on layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"experiencing that presence or fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i am just used to like a more dead version of layer three in location two","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"thats blending out into spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so this is a great opportunity in your case because that s a big difference being going between layer two of location two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"more in the forefront of experience","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"the spaciousness of it sounds spacious or feels spacious yeah it just feels stupid i guess we need to like wire me up to some kind of in some neuroscience lab and see if i have if im showing the right activity and inactivity in the right brain regions that would actually be interesting corroborating evidence i dont know how i would match up and maybe this is all totally diluted and ive never been in fundamental wellbeing and have you know this ambition thats expressing through my fabricated experience anyway","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so the relocation to layer three um it would feel like that presence is pervading everything and you are it or you are a part of it youre inseparable from it um it is what you are essentially um will be a nondual experience of the divine","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and then a release of that to layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and so it can start to feel you know its really still but then its generating bliss in the body here so thats what made me think maybe thats a deeper layer three experience","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its just showing up","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"non sensory perception of layer three that youre calling an aliveness or or vibratory quality in everything thats not localized in the body then that can be an experience of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"reasonably calm and present","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"you have a very undifferentiated experience of presence and of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"stillness does it feel like the spaciousness contains everything or where is the spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"into layer three and location two","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"it just feels like its here","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"probably layer two is going to be inaccessible","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"youve got the spaciousness in layer two which is a very different experience sense of spaciousness or emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"perceiving or aware at its most foundational level can kind of emerge from layer four to varying degrees or collapse","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"so if layer four there would be no sense of a container its not happening in anything theres nothing within anything so theres no sense of like that all pervading presence thats not there theres literally just this","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"i think if you can get that sense of self a bit looser from layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"pervasiveness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"spaciousness beingness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"i would say location one with layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"actually discovered this because i was following a teacher who was saying that awareness is limitless infinite and so forth and if you extend your attention to the limits of your consciousness you cant find the limit but i can find the limit and uh its actually just this i have a sense that initially when i transitioned i had the sense that the world ended where my perceptions ended so there was nothing beyond these walls and so forth and when i explore that when i initially explored that i had the sense that there was this kind of curved limit like a sphere or like a like a disc and i also feel that if i try to go with my attention to to the limit like try to to sense the end of my consciousness or awareness or whatever","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so many people will get to like layer two or something of location two and theyll think oh","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"yeah um its also when when the mind really quietens down or essentially layer one is out of subjective perception","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"sense of spaciousness or emptiness or spacious emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"rather than layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"im the energy","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"fullness in the spaciousness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"felt like it was something that i was observing or looking at now im being a little bit i dont know it just feels yeah im sort of you know im sort of sort of losing a little bit but yeah so maybe theres a bit more separation again now like its something im observing","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so the the sensations of energy rising gets really strong like a bliss rising that starts to happen again and it gets really strong","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer one you can get a feel for is this a useful thing or would i prefer to have you know access to something like layer one from somewhere else whether a more awareness","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"it isnt heavily invested in protecting the narrative sense of self","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"youre experiencing layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"nature or you know","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i think it just be like a little easier to just to stay in location two and just go to the layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"the layer three stuff seems a lot less accessible than the layer two triggers","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"it was sort of everything like a lot of colored spots in my eyes sense of things moving at the edge of my field a ringing tone in the ears and a lot of twitching of the arms and the legs constantly","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"would you say that a quality of aliveness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"healing and feels amazing","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so lets look at what in your mind and your assessment or your analysis is or your observation however you want to think about it is layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"the thinker","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"so that would mean you know any qualities of joy or love compassion anything that feels sort of sacred or divine if you are prone to that experience and location three or otherwise that sense of presence pervading everything especially if you can get a sense of it being somehow conscious or intelligent those are sort of location three type layer three experiences","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its more like the self just falls away and theres just this one thing um theres just one you priority what is is indivisible","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer two level and that your explorations are sort of going out from those directions","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i havent i dont really understand how it could be full right now so i dont know what that means and so that really doesnt make sense when i look","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"it doesnt seem like the fullness at layer three can ever go away","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"there is awareness and things are arising","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"which you can get where theres sort of a sense of ones self seeing ones self","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"really busy with the mind","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"cant have the look or see without without going into the mind","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"its a mystery","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"i would say youre somewhere deeper in location two layer three with that access to layer one","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"normal functioning and activity of the mind","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":" there still is a sense of more of a solid identity","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"the love is infusing every object but its not i am not fully the love but everything i would look at would have an infusion of this love feeling","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"agent of whatevers happening in terms of your system what youre doing what youre thinking what youre feeling","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"i think im more prone to experiencing layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"it would seem the moments that the centre and falls away and the self comes more less and less that","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"layer two that thats spaciousness of that distance","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so i was tripping over the definition of i think its location three layer three around one singular emotion so the word emotion was tripping me because dont feel that as something localized to this form but theres a theres a tonal quality to that space or a i dont know how to maybe a frequency sensation","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"this thing is almost analogous to effective prayer when used in temporary ways and so its not even a situation necessarily where one would have to go to stay there for six months or some period of time it can its i think its very i think its probably what most people are referring to as effective really hyper effective prayer you know people that get people that really get to an experience like i think my mom is probably there for instance she really believes that like her prayers are always answered and occasionally one doesnt come true and it kind of freaks her out like you know maybe her relationship with god is having some issues or something like that right","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so this and i think most christians have a more temporary experience of that theyre not as rooted in to location two layer three and you know their prayers occasionally work i think when they work theyre closer sort of in that type of direction or whatever and so you can you can maintain fluidity use location to layer three like that and not you know not have to lock that in for any period of time","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"  it feels like a battle between my mind and the fullness right now","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"other stuff is sort of showing up in the nothingness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and when youre kind of in that in that sense of self it obviously feels like its kind of what you are or like youre looking from that perspective","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"most of europe around the barrio in the room or if im at home theres you know theres theres trees in the garden i look outside the windows and and it goes a bit further yeah","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"something connected with maybe a feeling of settling in","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and layer three is like has a fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"you know i think i would ask myself what would happen if you know in a random interruption exercise um i was going to sink into that joy and try to sink into you know layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"guess with the eyes closed there is there is a sensation of emptiness dont get it when my eyes are open","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"the totality that was the experience","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so and then in addition to you know other more percent changes in perception and a very deep layer four type experiences that youre reporting","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"sense you know given your background and what youve traditionally gravitated from you know force towards system wise rooted into for decades um you know all of that stuff for sure i mean its all so classically layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the senselessness at layer three and","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"im more on layer two feeling the spaciousness i think this was for sure the main place i was at and also looking to get to where when i was like in layer one mode and this is what i was looking for","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"no agency","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"i think youve got good access to layer two already and you can be fluid to it if you want to","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":" i have very little emotion now apart from you know just a lightness um dont really get angry even if i if something upsets me its over almost before it starts um i dont really get attached to anything ive lost a lot of sense of memory or worrying about the past or think about the future im much more in the moment um and id be tempted to say location too except i dont have that nondual aspect i dont feel like ive got that i dont feel that theres someone here really i know that theres no one here like an individual entity watching but it still seems like theres a center here so if i look back i cant say yeah its its difficult to and i can step away from that as well so i can see it myself arising and i can see whatever else is arising as well so for example when i wake up in the morning there is no me at all its just quite nice very pleasant just sort of feel myself sinking into the body feeling the sensations and then it might be a little while it might be i dont know its probably only minutes but you know then a thought will pop up and then it kind of another thought and it might be about yesterday or tomorrow","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"im describing is layer three okay so theres the experience of for you you know that all pervading sense of presence of the divine but it remains an experience of it um and therefore relational even though theres a union its relational and um its if you compare you know the idea of what we experience say the sun we experience the sun in a certain way um but the experience of the sun as it is unto itself is entirely different to our experience of the sun and the same goes for the divine or you know the the ground of being while it remains relational its an entirely different experience than when that relationship falls away or collapses and theres nothing to experience it and theres only it as it is unto itself um which means the qualities as we experience them the qualities of it whether thats divinity or presence or beingness um those can no longer be perceived because theyre only perceived in in relation to it you know as it is known to the self um but when that reflection on experience ceases its just as it is unto itself its its you know without um go ahead","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"deeper and deeper into stillness and layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"awareness of some something that was aware of what was arising","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"being complete","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"location two layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"transparent","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer two type of description you know its spacious its empty","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"what im wondering about your description there is whether or not one couldnt describe that as still some spaciousness that youre rooted in in terms of maybe not as deep as other spaciousness that youre experiencing but it doesnt sound to me like youre you know very deeply embedded in thoughts and emotions","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"because it feels it doesnt feel exactly like what i would call pure peace because sometimes i feel that too where its just you know inner peace and it doesnt feel like pure joy and it feels really good and and it feels in the family of happiness as far as my experience of emotions and what i term kind of the general family of happiness and good feelings and yeah just just just pleasurable and which is good so it seems to me like what you know quote unquote bliss is or should be it does have more im trying to like like right now it has more energy in it theres almost more it seems like theres more energy in it than really kind of just pure bliss","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"in layer three that its you wouldnt notice it unless youre really comparing it to something","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"im spaciousness spaciousness and sort of focus on that sensation","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and thats makes perfect sense to me because the gravity is really to those elements of layer three and location three you know right","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"including your focus on location to layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"everything is presented as this or simply existence","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"presence ever there without the spaciousness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"my goal is to get to be fluent between layer two or location two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i would describe myself now as a presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i dont know that it was a rising in a way that you would have answered the questions that way during this interview per se but you clearly have a penchant for you know fluidity in general you know and you were able to detect oh wait a minute im getting a little too close in the direction of location four we dont want that you know it sort of you have enough sort of presence to be able to sense that kind of thing and generally thats the kind of thing that comes from someone who is used to having some fluidity you know its kind of a situational awareness if you will within fundamental well being in the same way that ordinary people have a situational awareness in life among different circumstances and stuff like that right and so im sure that theres fluidity here for sure but at least during this interview the way you described things the way you talked about things you know id pin it mostly at location two layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"boring","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"location two layer three standpoint","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer one of course are all visible that","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"i think that there is some deconditioning that needs to happen in layer two because i was in layer two when that traumatic event happened","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"youre having glimpses of other places and thats usable","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"with the ability to sort of perceive into some parts of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"up through layer three and that location three experience which is where you get such ready access","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"pervasive love for some people","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer four is virtually impossible to get to","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"spaciousness is always trying to get peoples attention and pull them back","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"memory is definitely worse at this point","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"less emotion expression and layer three of location two","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and then maybe if you get very strongly triggered it can pull you down to layer one but it sounds like you are relatively capable","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"and if weve asked things and youve been like oh it is actually everywhere and it is actually quite centerless so its heading in that direction","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and layer three when your eyes are closed","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"that sounds great okay so based on what i am hearing i would say that you absolutely have an experience of location two layer three cool im trying or not that also now whether or not you are and you know that already all right otherwise you would have had to skip this interview to be digging a trench somewhere to run some water lines you know because or youll never be running water lines without paying a few thousand dollars to get the thing fixed and then it breaks down two minutes later and costs you another couple thousand dollars or whatever right right um and so theres a but that doesnt preclude the possibility that some that you have fluidity over to you know location three layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"it sounds a lot to me like youre rooted primarily in layer three as your dominant layer","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"divine","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"perceive sounds","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"pervasive field","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"but theres never an experience of that self being like removed from or distinct from you know what youre experiencing as though you know like a like a duality where like that self is whats looking out your eyes and the stuff is out there and the self is in here","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"richness thats missing","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"creation reality the dream whatever is the stuff of the spaciousness is the stuff of the emptiness is the stuff of the spacious emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer three or even location three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"beyond all opposites","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"but its definitely in the direction of layer four and in the direction of location four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"and layer four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"i think i probably zoom in a little bit too far or zoom in back down to like layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"transcend","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"it may still feel like you have a lot of individualness and you know thoughts and emotions and things like that and thats perfectly fine because all of that can continue to exist at layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"really bright sensation wise","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"terms of spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"it yeah it feels its like the space between objects between main objects and the that that things objects are thing that space yeah and if i go a bit deeper when ive been doing like a deeper meditation i get to a point where its there is the center that im like the center","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"youve got space from thoughts and emotions","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"because at least theres some action now and im kind of like since transitioning a bit detached about you know my career who gives a shit you know and you know family just you know an idea like im more detached and i dont really care about a lot of things achievements you know and of course if i would just like to sit on my couch and you know i dont know become a mommy you know its i see why the system can be fearful about that you know yeah but yeah bringing it in into life more i think and and spending more time thinking deeper and see then where it takes me i think its a very good point","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"root into layer three um","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i was so astonished at that feeling of love which was personal for me but i also understood its for everybody","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"because i feel like i should probably you know because i noticed the the other day when i was like oh i should this is not going to work i need to come out of this location four thing it was to location to layer three that i popped down to","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"emptiness and that spacious container","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"loss of affinity","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"centerless field","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its very quiet","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer three location three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"yeah things feel very still whatever this thing is and i really enjoy being in this stillness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so its localized to your body","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"meditation or you know when i kind of settle into stillness not","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"ive still probably because of you know heavy conditioning with with that ive prioritized you know as of the past couple of years you know so im you know have conditioned in addition to this you know a lot of fear based layer early layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"love and compassion","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"emptiness or spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"it feels like i am this empty space or openness i like openness just this openness kind of thing","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"feels like everything is just here","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i used to be very very reactive i think i have some like you know neuroticism in my personality because i used to be very reactive before and thats still there if i get you know annoyed at work or you know have too much to do i get stressed out so i think theres like a reactivity and that also pushes me down even though its much less than it used to be","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"its lovely and comforting and it feels like theres a pleasant weight to it theres some sense of weight and pressure but its totally pleasant","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"aliveness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer one is probably just trying to hold them back with what its doing","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"so it comes on immediately i can sink straight into it but its subtle and faint at first and then it begins to to deepen um it starts off as a stillness but just a gentle superficial stillness and and then the then the the feeling of well theres a theres a feeling of presence which is there all the time anyway","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"in a direction stillness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the more im noticing the unpleasantness of being verbal logical rational the more im noticing but not minding the egoic activity of other people you know violent communication and projection of anxiety and those kinds of things","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"theres lots of things that should bring it to the fore and they just dont","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":" its kind of operating from","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"layer three thing","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"freedom and exploration or whether its around a sense of really getting to a place where it doesnt matter where im at um or to a place where its like okay this is the sense of fluidity","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"location four layer two when youre really locked into it just feels like some intense dark night of the soul you know maybe the most intense dark night of the soul experience that you could possibly imagine","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"spaciousness never really resonated even in jazz emptiness well just theres silence","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and theres some more notes here like the deepest part of this is is the back of my heart feels really sort of timeless spaciousness or or like like like a like a grand dimension um i feel like im behind myself im watching myself im feeling like im a field of awareness the body is still here and it still has sensations and pain but its happening within a field sometimes when im driving it feels like everything is moving through me and again feeling im not having a back or a heart or a head so that so so more the back the back of the body the back of the head im feeling emptiness and when i notice this this then fills up the room um and i feel im in in the rooms um so to speak and so this can have like an emptiness feeling but then the body is still there but then when i when i when i go into this sort of spaciousness feeling behind myself im the body","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i am that","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"how to sort of break the gravity of layer three to have it be less of a to go beyond it being a sense you know for many people","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its like a its a way it can be a way of pulling your attention almost back into that more foundational layer of of awareness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"location one layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"and what you would be what would really indicate that shift is that duality returning to your experience where there really is a sense of something that is dissolving into or merging with the divine presence and everything and in addition to that meta emotion of love joy compassion um but you can also begin to experience in location two layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"infinite field of pure potentiality","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i am that fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"but sometimes it feels so real because my layer one mind was was screaming well im losing my safety net and i mean the my savings reached me and that would be bad for my family","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"location one experience of layer two and so that more or less just fits in with the rest of your selfassessment regarding you know where you might be at what you might actually be experiencing um and whatever else yeah","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"spacious beingness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"emptier","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"to me when i see luminosity its not so much when with with physical eyes if that makes sense its more like a seeing within mhm","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer three experience","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"nothing coming in my mind so im just being quiet unless im asked something","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"location four layer four is great if youre already independently wealthy and you can just you know go and be location four without a worry in the world","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"it does actually go back to layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"if there is none present that maybe my default is layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"little blandness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"self","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"pervasive","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"simply because youve you possibly had a lot of experiences of layer three in location two that are already quite location three like and what you want to somehow get is a glimpse of that sense of union","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"basically you know some people systems inclined towards it some people systems dont inclined towards it um but its sort of smack on you know location two layer three type of experience","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"thats sort of everywhere another thing that made me ask that is because your your description of layer three in your document relates to a very specific and quite deep experience of layer three where it does feel like a liquid or like this thick quality thats that is a absolutely layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"intelligence behind it","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"emptiness or the qualities of layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer three type of experience","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"glimpse a more pure form of layer four in location four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"thats a little bit of a difficult place to stick persistently and so its probably more of like a very high layer three","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"happy things are great","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i just dont feel love like the way that it used to be its just this kind of its there all the time for everybody and everything and its you know it does intensify when you know my husband comes into the room lets say for example and theres you know a theres a like an impulse to smile right or when i see a close friend you know theres an impulse to smile um so theres a reaction there um but does it qualify as love the way that we used to define it i dont know","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"active mind","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"impersonal joy","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"m less concerned about you continuing to go deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper i dont have any issue with you playing around with that and you know i mean if anything it might be like maybe 10 to 20 of time on layer one methods","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"so if layer three hasnt been doing it for you if its its almost too far away","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"because when i focus on the qualities of space i mainly sense fullness and a substance like presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"you can start with with layer two which youve already got great access to","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"to layer one function","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"and then while youre in layer one you know youre able to produce a memory of layer three if thats what it is","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"i do but its but its very sort of quick and quick and its","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"the transition to layer four often will pull someone over to layer four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"it certainly sounds like most of your experience of the deeper layer stuff is layer three everything you described is sort of layer three qualities and it sounds like you can actually sink into that very easily and you know a highly fluid to that place and in addition it shifts you to location two from having a more dual sort of perception and so thats really just awesome","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so you can still have your sense of identity or a sense of what you are be you know the associated with layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"sounds like a good direction to sink into","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"if you were going dual when you were into layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"so that just kind of gently recedes into the background it feels like its still there period but its just not noticeable anymore and then its just completely present moment and its just the stuff around me theres things to look at there are sounds none of them are particularly none of them have any kind of pull or any kind of permanency things in the visual field dont feel particularly substantial they just theyre there and they can vanish again at any moment and sounds dont really seem to be anywhere theyre just appearing they dont sound like theyre coming from a particular direction um and it all feels kind of ordinary its just very um its just very routine and normal","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"but didnt really have too much time to dig into that whole agency thing you might already be getting glimpses or have had glimpses of location four my guess is youll get temporary experiences of it doing this you know it wont just like be some jump over in you know tomorrow morning and some locking into location four so you can probably you know get some temporary experiences of it get some more experiences of it and start to get a feel for it and at least its more shallow form before it really sort of deepens and locks in","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"all of that is is much more likely to show up with layer three than it wouldnt be","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"the layer four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"think of spaciousness all the time","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"others like ones of layer one tend to be dissolved very rapidly by layer two","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"well right now the conversation is happening in the presence the presence is the bigger thing so now im trying to remember like i think its the opposite way around so theres more sort of like i am the whatever that personality is or i sort of believe it more","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer three can be a passive background to the activity of layer one","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"fullness right","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"aliveness or sense of beingness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"emotion kind of the mind","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"yeah it feels full","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"a center in the spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"spaciousness and emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"focused","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"so theres been plenty of time for for a lot of deconditioning and reconditioning to happen even at layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"that fullness is basically permeating and infusing the experience","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"almost like a place of belonging","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its there and location two layer three and then the personal side drops off and location three and then emotion itself drops off and location four and thats whats providing that richness you know of that experience and so its although there can still be you know a sense of presence found in the experience and stuff like that its like an alien type of presence compared to you know what someone experienced up to that and its going to you know youre typically speaking youre going to lose access to it in a matter of weeks and root more into just layer four and location four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"layer two which is really you know the that is the classical endpoint for so many systems and traditions that is identifying as the you know spacious empty presence of awareness um and feeling that you are that and are untouched by all experience and everything you describe is is really that kind of classical enlightenment in many systems","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer two or and i have had like particularly in gis like a feeling of fullness almost like something thats about to burst or an excited anticipation or potential","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"spaciousness emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"there isnt a distinction between you and it","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer one id say is more in the head theres more thoughts a little more noise too is more in the flow","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"like layer three is sort of you know fluid but its sort of like i dont know lounging around its like sort of there but in more of the location three state it was like it was almost dancing","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"sense of presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"but the shift into layer four is you know it can be an intense one and it really is very different than everything that comes before it and so you know lots of strange things can happen on the way to it in the direction of it you know sort of associated with it um and its possible that when you felt like you had made progress in that direction and then you had this other sort of experience come in that it was you know just one of those types of things in that direction","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"rich experience","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"it feels like like one little point one little point trying to poke into all the fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer three has fullness associated with it","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"through layer one as an example","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"fullness or awareness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"like the qualities of layer two is just you know spaciousness or emptiness a sense of everything arising within it as it if your universe view feels like kind of this um all containing sense of this one thing thats just arising that is um i suppose if its layer two in essence it would feel somehow like it is the space within which the universe arises or that the universe is somehow composed of a spacious emptiness or that type of quality","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"its just like quiet everythings quiet its like a quiet acceptance","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"personal sense of self","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"you have a sense of perception arising from spaciousness in terms of the thoughts in terms of the vision and auditory based exercises in terms of whats noticing it","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"listener","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its not necessarily because its temporary and because the reference point is remaining at layer one um its kind of its not necessarily reflecting on and deepening into the sense of actually being that all pervading presence even though that is your subjective experience if i ask you about it yeah","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"i dont know if id call it resonance i would call it like i i can be there","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"your is getting a lot more freedom some of those types of things are bubbling up more than they would otherwise","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"dont feel a sense of boundaries but guess i keep identifying the center still as an eye because i guess there are times when i feel like more real nondual by which i mean like um","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"theres much more flow now than there used to be","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"mentally quieter","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"when i take the eucharist and its in my mouth and im swallowing and then i go back to the pew and then i sit down and then all of a sudden theres just even even when im there at the rail it can start that i just feel its like joy coming from","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"massive landscape in layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"contains everything","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and it sounds to me like its a classic case of going to layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"location one layer two right now because im feeling that im seeing from the body um but at the same time its like completely different from before because im like the peace and the stillness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so spaciousness and stuff layer too","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"you describe it as a joy a positivity a contentment a warmth a glow","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"emptiness of layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"fullness element","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and maybe the way to get at that a little bit more is to go on to what happens when you do actually sink in and when you have the thing in your sternum in the center of your chest or whatever basically happening that that sense of a void i mean a void is one of those things that you hear you know thats a term thats very strongly associated with layer two and certainly especially at a nondual type of location like location two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"could kind of find this vibrating quality to perception","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"what about the qualities that are associated with layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"bunch of separate objects out there that its looking at","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"thats probably maybe what your mind is thinking of might that shift might involve","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"do you have a sense of your identity being centered in layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"so do you notice any other changes weve talked about layer two and spaciousness and","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"yeah it makes me wonder if like some part of the layer one identity has discovered that this is a way that it can","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"new level of stillness and silence","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"with layer four","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"layer one sort of sense of self type of stuff that youre paying attention to there","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"when its when presence is filling the whole space as its still radiating from you","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"fullness this","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"theres a quietness theres a vividness to the visual field things look more beautiful theres more appreciation was kind of a question that kind of had for you is it feels like for me beauty is a little bit of a gateway when i notice and im not talking about something that has to be you know prototypically beautiful but just like the pot sitting in the kitchen that suddenly look beautiful and","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"funny","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"really good feeling","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i just see things as thing nonliving material","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"it just is","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"feeling of spaciousness or just layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"you know the it can be worth thinking into for some people if they get that sense of aliveness in the body that if you just really sink into it for some people that can open up deeper aspects of layer three stillness the silence beneath that aliveness kind of has a depth to it","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"how deep you are in layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"clear light of awareness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"war zones that occur in the spiritual and religious communities","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"were just looking mostly at how the fullness is showing up","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i would just be continuing to move in the direction of presence you know continuing to sink in in that direction of presence and seeing you know if you can pull yourself into more of a persistent experience of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so it kind of felt like that after enlightenment that everything is just perfect nothing bothers me and everything is easy and i can do anything and","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"perception of the spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"nothingness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so when i get triggered so the sort of the triggers where im like pleading with reality to be different than it is that kind of trigger that when its happening so when were at the house up in emerald hills one of the people that was there was talking about contracting around things and expanding outside of that which was a term that i hadnt really heard used before and that really kind of mapped well to what im doing right like when thats happening i feel like im just like shrink wrapped around whatever problem is happening and then exactly and then the relief comes when i notice that im shrink wrapped around the problem which obviously is going to be happening from a perspective of layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"presence in","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"increasingly permeating and infusing things","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so when im in layer three definitely its full","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"maybe be the layer one experience on location two","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":" i think just like two times maybe um like exactly as described in the book just the spaciousness emptiness at one point became just fullness and but it only happened to me after like deep deep yoga and meditation like for a long time","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"and also layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"it was just this experience of all inclusive love like there was no separation between anything and um it was incredible","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"stillness and silence","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"but now if i feel into the spaciousness it doesnt have boundaries it doesnt have it doesnt really end no so the space seems endless","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"im suspecting that its layer three from location two its my guess","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"like i just look at the tree and i feel joy and i feel i dont know what im looking for here","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer four is less than optimal for a lot of functioning","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"beingness so beingness when you say that and when i when i tune into that i feel like for me that feels like more of a layer two thing","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"presence all pervading kind of thing","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i think you have a lot more you can trust your deeper intuitions as you referred to them if you can if you can resist the temptation or the inclination to doubt everything it would help you deepen because the thing thats doubting it is layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"you have a very quiet nothingness and layer two for you and location two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"switch into layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"greater neutrality and observation of what is it can be more reasonable and balanced and relating to others","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"all right um so you mentioned your goal is first uh location two layer three so it sounds like youve got that already of course theres always more to explore","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"all pervading","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer two of location two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"ive been in layer one for so long","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"so thats sort of after layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"but the identity has a sort of inertia to it and the longer i stay with that layer three experience the more like slowly that identity starts maybe to move a little bit","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"alternating presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"space spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"if that really drops away completely um that may be more noticeable but even then because of the lack of self reflection its very possible for finders to just not even notice that right um but yeah thats thats a significant kind of shift when layer three really disappears from perception along with any remaining sense of even the most impersonal form of self or beingness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its got an impersonal quality to it","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"that that aloneness quality that seems to come up sometimes in association with layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer twos primary properties are things like spaciousness and emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"i dont think a lot of people would necessarily use those words okay some people use them and sure think if you if you have the experience in a very complete way which means identity has shifted into being that all pervading field of presence um then probably if you read that you could be like okay i could describe it this way um but awareness is a very its a very general term and some people will use that to describe layer two or so","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"experiencing all of that is nothingness","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"this is a stillness for","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"when there was stress there was a lot of stress stuff like that that still arises but now it feels like less of a default so so now because of that whatever happened after that like i feel like im more in layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"primarily joy","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"what about a sense of being in union with something either the divine or you know like an all conscious presence of sorts but not being one with it not being it right yeah but being you know sort of increasingly merging in with it","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so it sounds um definitely you know interject if this doesnt sound right to you um were just trying to make sense of your way of interpreting your experience and and languaging it but it does sound like your attention is much more on the space essentially or on the the emptiness surrounding objects of perception or the space between them and because your attention is much more on that the spaciousness is almost like more in the foreground or more what your attention is centering on than the things and so the things kind of are in the background you could think of or more backgrounded than the spaciousness which produces you know this focus on the spaciousness or the emptiness in which everything is arising","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":" you know almost made me pee my pants when it first happened to me in india 25 years ago it was like it wasnt just there was this amazing fullness it was like i was i was sitting next to the ganges river late at night with this huge rapids right next to me and suddenly i was the rock that i was leaning on and then i was the rapids and then i was the entire ganges and then i was the entire planet and then it just kept going to way beyond what my mind could kind of keep up so that was the flavor of my of my initial awakening","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"do feel like there still is fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer one in terms of your sense of self and your dominant perspective then there would be","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"feel less tired and way more excited about the natural world","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"so see what see if you can really deepen your access to layer to be able to shift their fluidly at least to a very you know complete experience of it if not to an identity shift and see what that does you know when when theres a trigger or something even if its a very subtle trigger just really sink into that layer two experience and see what that does","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"not a static expansion","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"sense of emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"isolated there or kind of not really aware of layer one um and you you are still aware of layer one then it would show up","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"you know have a center so to speak of increasing layers of dense feeling in the spaciousness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"sometimes emptiness","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer one is going to be very present and subjective experience and you know the quality","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"layer two experience","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"and we try to see where where youve come back to or whether theres some fluidity in the system thats producing sort of the more layer three type experiences that youve regained access to","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"like its holding everything like everythings appearing in it i cant see the edges of it though its a bit its a bit like um guess the ocean would be a good metaphor mean although you kind of he know that the ocean has limits you cant see them but i dont i dont know theres any limits to this because i cant see them and i dont you dont have that reference point to know theres any limits to it so i suppose im probably not using the word container correctly","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer four is difficult to get to","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"so that makes a lot of sense okay so lets then think about location three lets see if we can find a location three type experience in layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"comfort and the fullness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"layer one can have that sort of individual sense of self arising as part of that one field of experience","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"but it does sort of have a permeating quality in the space as well","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"steadily and then i descend into layer one and thats unpleasant","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"location three combination layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"awareness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"its there and then i feel a sense of fullness really","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"which is why i dont think that you should just keep inching your way deeper into layer two that youre already deeply rooted in when youre getting really solid access to layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":" its it sounds like what youre experiencing there is is a is an awareness or an ability to perceive layer one and the sense of self that it generates from wherever youre at","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"fullness presence","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"it just feels like everything is just here","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"so it feels like its outside the fullness trying to poke into it or does it feel like its in the fullness somehow","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"environment under trigger its more like 11 and then kind of off on my own doing my thing","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"lets say its just an open space to me like its theres just if i step back so if im stepping back and just um saying if theres no thought if im if im not putting thought into it it just its kind of just is so theres not really a sea without thought","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"boundary or maybe even sometimes a little over into that experience","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"flat","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"either location one with some shallow access to layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"capable of great focus and efficiency","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"hearer or a listener","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"less identification with thoughts","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"okayness the beingness","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"it sounds to me more like youve got some space youve got some distance from thoughts and emotions and","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"theyre in the direction of something you want to deepen into and so it doesnt really matter whether that turns out to be a vocation deeper in location to layer three or whether its location three layer three it gives you a direction that you can work with to sink into and deepen your experience of layer three","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"rich and the sensory experience","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"pulled back to probably layer one","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"field of awareness","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"joy is always my weak spot","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"only more illusion is lost","label":3,"label_text":"LAY4"}
{"text":"it feels too small","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"life is full it goes fast","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"so would it be accurate to say that when youre there your sense of what you are is that presence of fullness pervading everything","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"i feel like really just im in layer one i think when im busy","label":0,"label_text":"LAY1"}
{"text":"felt nice i was kind of surprised surprised at that point","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"you can have a lot change in your state of consciousness in terms of your sense of self in terms of a lot of things related to fundamental wellbeing without realizing it you can even have emotions fall away and suddenly at some point you realize oh theyre all gone you know when that happened and it can have been you know some weeks sometimes um so yes and you know any of these changes can happen without them appearing dramatic or sudden or even being noticed immediately so definitely dont discard your experience or expect you know if theres some significant deepening that has to happen in that way it usually doesnt um okay yeah thank you okay well your experience sounds sounds like layer two","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"theres spaciousness at another point theres the body at another point","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}
{"text":"layer three of location two and still be very much personally in love with someone","label":2,"label_text":"LAY3"}
{"text":"make that whole spacious thing show up in one way","label":1,"label_text":"LAY2"}