diff --git "a/askengineers/validation.json" "b/askengineers/validation.json" new file mode 100644--- /dev/null +++ "b/askengineers/validation.json" @@ -0,0 +1,3154 @@ +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4hv54e","c_root_id_B":"g4hkmbs","created_at_utc_A":1599609385,"created_at_utc_B":1599603786,"score_A":208,"score_B":101,"human_ref_A":"Peruse McMaster Carr catalogue until I find something that looks like the thing","human_ref_B":"Research papers, engineering documents, engineering articles are good for key words, diagrams graphs ect, but also knowing how to use Google efficiently. Look up Google search parameters. For example. Google searching: \"valve\" will only show results that include the word valve. Google searching: -rocket will remove results including the word rocket, also works for sites. Google searching: valve :Reddit.com will only show results from Reddit There are tons of these you can use to search efficiently","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5599.0,"score_ratio":2.0594059406} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4hv54e","c_root_id_B":"g4hrdaj","created_at_utc_A":1599609385,"created_at_utc_B":1599607281,"score_A":208,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"Peruse McMaster Carr catalogue until I find something that looks like the thing","human_ref_B":"It's called google-fu and it is definitely something that I have seen a full range of skills from engineers over the years. Some people just seem to struggle finding things. I would suggest asking for help from peers as you struggle with things and observe how they are finding answers or what wording they use.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2104.0,"score_ratio":4.4255319149} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4hv54e","c_root_id_B":"g4hqpzt","created_at_utc_A":1599609385,"created_at_utc_B":1599606915,"score_A":208,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Peruse McMaster Carr catalogue until I find something that looks like the thing","human_ref_B":"One technique I use is google a device \/ thing that uses \/ has the thing you want to learn more about. You might get lucky and find some description or discussion that includes technical language to give you leverage to narrow down exactly what to google.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2470.0,"score_ratio":13.8666666667} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4hsn1p","c_root_id_B":"g4hv54e","created_at_utc_A":1599607998,"created_at_utc_B":1599609385,"score_A":7,"score_B":208,"human_ref_A":"Pay a slight amount of attention to things you might need, when you don't need them Watching a YouTube blog about painting. Might be boring but at least you might learn oil based paint has a specific use case You don't need to pay a lot of attention. You don't need a sixth sense. You just need to recognise what information isn't entirely useless (like a friends story or simply \"there's a reddit sub for this I reckon\") and give it more than nothing in terms of attention","human_ref_B":"Peruse McMaster Carr catalogue until I find something that looks like the thing","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1387.0,"score_ratio":29.7142857143} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4hqpzt","c_root_id_B":"g4hrdaj","created_at_utc_A":1599606915,"created_at_utc_B":1599607281,"score_A":15,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"One technique I use is google a device \/ thing that uses \/ has the thing you want to learn more about. You might get lucky and find some description or discussion that includes technical language to give you leverage to narrow down exactly what to google.","human_ref_B":"It's called google-fu and it is definitely something that I have seen a full range of skills from engineers over the years. Some people just seem to struggle finding things. I would suggest asking for help from peers as you struggle with things and observe how they are finding answers or what wording they use.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":366.0,"score_ratio":3.1333333333} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4hy62g","c_root_id_B":"g4hqpzt","created_at_utc_A":1599611100,"created_at_utc_B":1599606915,"score_A":26,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I know exactly what you are talking about, that happens to me too (essentially knowing the answer is out there only not knowing what to ask google, cause you don't know the terminology, keywords, famous suppliers etc.)...here's something that helped me sometimes. Google image! Just search whatever comes to your mind at the moment in google images, result might be some random stuff and some pictures that are not exactly what you were hiping for but somehow related, click on those that you think are more relevant. From here, it usually gets better; when you click a picture, google shows a series of image related to that one in the right side of screen, I'm sure you've seen it, now you have a bunch of more related items, keep going from there, lots of times I was able to find great results using this method ...that being said, if im pretty sure what I'm looking for (meaning what keywords, phrases to look for) I just use web search.","human_ref_B":"One technique I use is google a device \/ thing that uses \/ has the thing you want to learn more about. You might get lucky and find some description or discussion that includes technical language to give you leverage to narrow down exactly what to google.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4185.0,"score_ratio":1.7333333333} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4hwa02","c_root_id_B":"g4hy62g","created_at_utc_A":1599610035,"created_at_utc_B":1599611100,"score_A":10,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Befriend a Tradie. I know a Fitter & Turner with decades of experience that I turn to advice for these types of things. It's so much easier to be able to ask an expert and then once you have the Part Name, google it (research it) and procure it yourself. This goes for other fields too. Networking isn't just for getting a better job, it's also for building collective knowledge and helping each other out.","human_ref_B":"I know exactly what you are talking about, that happens to me too (essentially knowing the answer is out there only not knowing what to ask google, cause you don't know the terminology, keywords, famous suppliers etc.)...here's something that helped me sometimes. Google image! Just search whatever comes to your mind at the moment in google images, result might be some random stuff and some pictures that are not exactly what you were hiping for but somehow related, click on those that you think are more relevant. From here, it usually gets better; when you click a picture, google shows a series of image related to that one in the right side of screen, I'm sure you've seen it, now you have a bunch of more related items, keep going from there, lots of times I was able to find great results using this method ...that being said, if im pretty sure what I'm looking for (meaning what keywords, phrases to look for) I just use web search.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1065.0,"score_ratio":2.6} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4hsn1p","c_root_id_B":"g4hy62g","created_at_utc_A":1599607998,"created_at_utc_B":1599611100,"score_A":7,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Pay a slight amount of attention to things you might need, when you don't need them Watching a YouTube blog about painting. Might be boring but at least you might learn oil based paint has a specific use case You don't need to pay a lot of attention. You don't need a sixth sense. You just need to recognise what information isn't entirely useless (like a friends story or simply \"there's a reddit sub for this I reckon\") and give it more than nothing in terms of attention","human_ref_B":"I know exactly what you are talking about, that happens to me too (essentially knowing the answer is out there only not knowing what to ask google, cause you don't know the terminology, keywords, famous suppliers etc.)...here's something that helped me sometimes. Google image! Just search whatever comes to your mind at the moment in google images, result might be some random stuff and some pictures that are not exactly what you were hiping for but somehow related, click on those that you think are more relevant. From here, it usually gets better; when you click a picture, google shows a series of image related to that one in the right side of screen, I'm sure you've seen it, now you have a bunch of more related items, keep going from there, lots of times I was able to find great results using this method ...that being said, if im pretty sure what I'm looking for (meaning what keywords, phrases to look for) I just use web search.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3102.0,"score_ratio":3.7142857143} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4hqpzt","c_root_id_B":"g4hykda","created_at_utc_A":1599606915,"created_at_utc_B":1599611324,"score_A":15,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"One technique I use is google a device \/ thing that uses \/ has the thing you want to learn more about. You might get lucky and find some description or discussion that includes technical language to give you leverage to narrow down exactly what to google.","human_ref_B":"For the first example, you're looking for a 3-way valve.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4409.0,"score_ratio":1.7333333333} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4hwa02","c_root_id_B":"g4hykda","created_at_utc_A":1599610035,"created_at_utc_B":1599611324,"score_A":10,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Befriend a Tradie. I know a Fitter & Turner with decades of experience that I turn to advice for these types of things. It's so much easier to be able to ask an expert and then once you have the Part Name, google it (research it) and procure it yourself. This goes for other fields too. Networking isn't just for getting a better job, it's also for building collective knowledge and helping each other out.","human_ref_B":"For the first example, you're looking for a 3-way valve.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1289.0,"score_ratio":2.6} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4hykda","c_root_id_B":"g4hsn1p","created_at_utc_A":1599611324,"created_at_utc_B":1599607998,"score_A":26,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"For the first example, you're looking for a 3-way valve.","human_ref_B":"Pay a slight amount of attention to things you might need, when you don't need them Watching a YouTube blog about painting. Might be boring but at least you might learn oil based paint has a specific use case You don't need to pay a lot of attention. You don't need a sixth sense. You just need to recognise what information isn't entirely useless (like a friends story or simply \"there's a reddit sub for this I reckon\") and give it more than nothing in terms of attention","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3326.0,"score_ratio":3.7142857143} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4hwa02","c_root_id_B":"g4hsn1p","created_at_utc_A":1599610035,"created_at_utc_B":1599607998,"score_A":10,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Befriend a Tradie. I know a Fitter & Turner with decades of experience that I turn to advice for these types of things. It's so much easier to be able to ask an expert and then once you have the Part Name, google it (research it) and procure it yourself. This goes for other fields too. Networking isn't just for getting a better job, it's also for building collective knowledge and helping each other out.","human_ref_B":"Pay a slight amount of attention to things you might need, when you don't need them Watching a YouTube blog about painting. Might be boring but at least you might learn oil based paint has a specific use case You don't need to pay a lot of attention. You don't need a sixth sense. You just need to recognise what information isn't entirely useless (like a friends story or simply \"there's a reddit sub for this I reckon\") and give it more than nothing in terms of attention","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2037.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4hz06i","c_root_id_B":"g4i0tqy","created_at_utc_A":1599611570,"created_at_utc_B":1599612598,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Just keep reading up from your first keyword, then when you see a similar keyword shows up in 1 of those articles\/documents then keep searching. Or search with a description of what you are looking for... That will lead you to some articles that will lead you to the right keyword as well","human_ref_B":"As a reliability engineer for heavy equipment, some terms just don\u2019t mean the same as what google looks for. Meetings where someone wants to look up \u201clack of lube\u201d to have examples of how it effects components, well... I am sure you can figure it out. Sometimes you may know what you are looking for, but you have to make it search engine and HR \u201cfriendly\u201d.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1028.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4i1tk2","c_root_id_B":"g4hz06i","created_at_utc_A":1599613157,"created_at_utc_B":1599611570,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Like anything, it just comes from experience. A big part is simply just exposure to the industry and learning the language. One thing that's helped me pick up language quickly is to spend some time bullshitting with whoever works in the blue collar wing of your industry. The grey hairs there usually like to pick on baby engineers by asking questions you could probably answer if you could translate their intentionally specific jargon. Take the abuse with a smile, encourage them to test you like that when you do. That's how you learn how things 'really work' while also being force fed some new vocabulary.","human_ref_B":"Just keep reading up from your first keyword, then when you see a similar keyword shows up in 1 of those articles\/documents then keep searching. Or search with a description of what you are looking for... That will lead you to some articles that will lead you to the right keyword as well","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1587.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4hz06i","c_root_id_B":"g4i23og","created_at_utc_A":1599611570,"created_at_utc_B":1599613316,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Just keep reading up from your first keyword, then when you see a similar keyword shows up in 1 of those articles\/documents then keep searching. Or search with a description of what you are looking for... That will lead you to some articles that will lead you to the right keyword as well","human_ref_B":"My suggestion is to generalize. You kept trying to find exataxly what you wanted, but if that's not out there you still need to do your job, find what's closest and work from there for example. What you could do is search valve. Now say, okay that didn't work but I found these valves say from home depot. Now you know home depot makes valves, so use that resource: look though their catalog, the way they filter their results and what's popular. That will give you little hints. Big hints come from looking through the entire catalog. Sometimes it comes down to that. Sometimes you need to go to lows. But you want to go up the pyramid of generalization until you find what you understand then go back down where you find what you need. None of this just know it, or it takes time to know Google fu. Like anything, there is a process that works and many that don't.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1746.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4hz06i","c_root_id_B":"g4ir4gx","created_at_utc_A":1599611570,"created_at_utc_B":1599629049,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Just keep reading up from your first keyword, then when you see a similar keyword shows up in 1 of those articles\/documents then keep searching. Or search with a description of what you are looking for... That will lead you to some articles that will lead you to the right keyword as well","human_ref_B":"Essentially, this question pertains to information organization, a subject in library and information science. There are two general approaches to problem of not knowing how to find what you have in mind, and these two approaches extend from library science into internet applications, i.e. keyword searches and hierarchical subject indexes. Almost all search engines today use the former approach, including Google. The approach of browsing a catalog is basically the same as the latter approach, and it was even still an option in the old Yahoo! subject index before the keyword search approach became ubiquitous for search engines. Sometimes you may know one word for a part or process but not the synonyms of that word that are commonly used. For this you could use a controlled vocabulary, such as a thesaurus, taxonomy or ontology. For instance, the IEEE Thesaurus is \u201ca controlled vocabulary of about 10,644 descriptive engineering, technical, and scientific terms\u201d (from their website). There are other tools like this that you could be using. A librarian who specializes in engineering would know exactly what tools are out there for finding what you have in mind, and once you have these tools and know how to use them, you should be able to search much more effectively than your current approach to Google. So my recommendation is to find an engineering librarian and contact them with your question. Librarians love questions like this.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17479.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4iadn0","c_root_id_B":"g4ir4gx","created_at_utc_A":1599617955,"created_at_utc_B":1599629049,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Out of curiosity, were you looking for something similar to a gated y-valve? They're widely used in the fire service.","human_ref_B":"Essentially, this question pertains to information organization, a subject in library and information science. There are two general approaches to problem of not knowing how to find what you have in mind, and these two approaches extend from library science into internet applications, i.e. keyword searches and hierarchical subject indexes. Almost all search engines today use the former approach, including Google. The approach of browsing a catalog is basically the same as the latter approach, and it was even still an option in the old Yahoo! subject index before the keyword search approach became ubiquitous for search engines. Sometimes you may know one word for a part or process but not the synonyms of that word that are commonly used. For this you could use a controlled vocabulary, such as a thesaurus, taxonomy or ontology. For instance, the IEEE Thesaurus is \u201ca controlled vocabulary of about 10,644 descriptive engineering, technical, and scientific terms\u201d (from their website). There are other tools like this that you could be using. A librarian who specializes in engineering would know exactly what tools are out there for finding what you have in mind, and once you have these tools and know how to use them, you should be able to search much more effectively than your current approach to Google. So my recommendation is to find an engineering librarian and contact them with your question. Librarians love questions like this.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11094.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"ip3cqa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The hardest part of learning anything, is knowing what to words to use in google. How do you quickly learn what you need to know in order to effectively google and get answers? Whenever I start to expand my knowledge into new areas, I often find myself googling a phrases with super generic terms, learning a new word, putting that word back into google and repeating this process for several hours\/days. Since I don't know the proper names of different things are, how to specify the requirements I'm looking for, or the parameters of the project when I'm looking stuff up on google, it makes everything take much longer than needed, and often leads me down several dead-ends because I misunderstood something. ​ For example, I was looking for a solution to having one stream of water be directed down a path, so I googled \"valve with two outputs\" then read for a while and learned about ball valves, so I googled \"ball valve, two outputs\" and found a bunch of 90 degree ball valves that allowed for one or both paths to be open, but that wasn't what I wanted since I wanted the paths to be mutually exclusive, so I googled \"valve with two outputs, but can't have both open at the same time\" and did more reading, learned nothing, so I pivoted to trying to find out the proper name for \"Y shaped valve with control similar to a rocker switch\" and so on... I never did find what I wanted, so I just decided to shelve\/abandon that part of the project. ​ Then today, I hit a similar issue trying to find a specific set up for PVC fittings, I had a reddit post all drafted in my head about how I'd try to explain what it was I was looking for, then I remembered tinkercad, so I spent 30-60 minutes in that to draw out what I was looking for, took a screenshot and readied myself to post it and go \"Hey, I'm looking for a thing that does this or something similar, my goal is to drill a hole in a thing, then attach things to either side of the hole that are airtight\/watertight and attach hoses to each of the things.\" However, the engineer in me quickly noticed that this was definitely not a scale-able approach to learning, because for each new project\/subject, I'd end up making like 15 posts asking \"Hey, wut dis?\" and just generally being a nuisance. ​ All of this frustration has led me to the question I really need answered which is: If I have little-to-zero knowledge about some facet of engineering, and I want to build something related to that aspect of engineering, what resources or methods do you use to help you learn what questions to ask and get answers faster? Another phrasing would be, if I want to build a cabinet with drawers, but I've never seen one and don't know the words \"cabinet\" or \"drawer\", how do I go from \"diy big box with smaller open boxs that slide in and out,\" to \"DIY cabinet with drawers\" ? ​ Apologies if this was kind of ramble-y, if I knew how to ask these questions in a more succinct way I would.","c_root_id_A":"g4iqsua","c_root_id_B":"g4ir4gx","created_at_utc_A":1599628785,"created_at_utc_B":1599629049,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Well, I find that writing google questions in complete sentences sucks. Only include the most important words.","human_ref_B":"Essentially, this question pertains to information organization, a subject in library and information science. There are two general approaches to problem of not knowing how to find what you have in mind, and these two approaches extend from library science into internet applications, i.e. keyword searches and hierarchical subject indexes. Almost all search engines today use the former approach, including Google. The approach of browsing a catalog is basically the same as the latter approach, and it was even still an option in the old Yahoo! subject index before the keyword search approach became ubiquitous for search engines. Sometimes you may know one word for a part or process but not the synonyms of that word that are commonly used. For this you could use a controlled vocabulary, such as a thesaurus, taxonomy or ontology. For instance, the IEEE Thesaurus is \u201ca controlled vocabulary of about 10,644 descriptive engineering, technical, and scientific terms\u201d (from their website). There are other tools like this that you could be using. A librarian who specializes in engineering would know exactly what tools are out there for finding what you have in mind, and once you have these tools and know how to use them, you should be able to search much more effectively than your current approach to Google. So my recommendation is to find an engineering librarian and contact them with your question. Librarians love questions like this.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":264.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0n76vo","c_root_id_B":"h0n6vut","created_at_utc_A":1622861094,"created_at_utc_B":1622860921,"score_A":288,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Government\/government contracting, especially defense. Edit: Spelling","human_ref_B":"a time clock tester","labels":1,"seconds_difference":173.0,"score_ratio":13.7142857143} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0n6vut","c_root_id_B":"h0n802g","created_at_utc_A":1622860921,"created_at_utc_B":1622861540,"score_A":21,"score_B":218,"human_ref_A":"a time clock tester","human_ref_B":"I can really relate to this. I clock in I clock out and I am done doing engineering. I really like being an engineer for work but not for hobbies. My passion outside of work is cooking and hiking so once work is over I am not spending my time to improve my work related skills. My best advice is any engineering industry can be like this. It is more about how the companies value your time. From my experience EU based companies value your time more and will put more effort into training you during work hours. My current position is in manufacturing for a safety company based out of the EU. We are not supposed to work beyond 40 hours, get X dollars per year for training and can use up to 10 working days for it, and 4 weeks vacation start. The insurance is mediocre though at best. This applies to a lot of benefits but our EU counter parts will not take calls outside of work hours and this has driven the US employees to do the same (well demand the same).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":619.0,"score_ratio":10.380952381} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nb48r","c_root_id_B":"h0nbdxy","created_at_utc_A":1622863309,"created_at_utc_B":1622863459,"score_A":28,"score_B":199,"human_ref_A":"I found this to be the case when working in industrial machinery design, where the machinists and other shop workers work closely with the Engineers. The union ethos of \"I work hard, but for exactly 8 hours\" leaks into other rolls in the building. I am personally very passionate about Engineering, and still enjoyed it quite a lot. They were not bad Engineers, actually very good Engineers, but there was a strong culture to not take work home with you. Be careful, though, because some places have a strong disconnect between the shop and the Engineers, and take advantage of the different mentality. A friend of mine works as a plant supervisor (not sure if that's the correct term) and this is NOT the case at all. They are \"above\" the shop workers, not working \"along side\" them, and their expectations are different accordingly. They regularly get calls outside their hours with questions and are often asked to come in early\/late or cover shifts.","human_ref_B":"Good post. I think many younger engineers are in the same boat - and hopefully we can collectively end the overtime culture.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":150.0,"score_ratio":7.1071428571} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nbdxy","c_root_id_B":"h0n6vut","created_at_utc_A":1622863459,"created_at_utc_B":1622860921,"score_A":199,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Good post. I think many younger engineers are in the same boat - and hopefully we can collectively end the overtime culture.","human_ref_B":"a time clock tester","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2538.0,"score_ratio":9.4761904762} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nb48r","c_root_id_B":"h0nccfb","created_at_utc_A":1622863309,"created_at_utc_B":1622864003,"score_A":28,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"I found this to be the case when working in industrial machinery design, where the machinists and other shop workers work closely with the Engineers. The union ethos of \"I work hard, but for exactly 8 hours\" leaks into other rolls in the building. I am personally very passionate about Engineering, and still enjoyed it quite a lot. They were not bad Engineers, actually very good Engineers, but there was a strong culture to not take work home with you. Be careful, though, because some places have a strong disconnect between the shop and the Engineers, and take advantage of the different mentality. A friend of mine works as a plant supervisor (not sure if that's the correct term) and this is NOT the case at all. They are \"above\" the shop workers, not working \"along side\" them, and their expectations are different accordingly. They regularly get calls outside their hours with questions and are often asked to come in early\/late or cover shifts.","human_ref_B":"Classified work is likely unparalleled. Otherwise, defense is mostly good for this too. The trick isn\u2019t about sticking to 40hrs, that\u2019s easy. The trick is never thinking about it again until you clock back in.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":694.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0n6vut","c_root_id_B":"h0nccfb","created_at_utc_A":1622860921,"created_at_utc_B":1622864003,"score_A":21,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"a time clock tester","human_ref_B":"Classified work is likely unparalleled. Otherwise, defense is mostly good for this too. The trick isn\u2019t about sticking to 40hrs, that\u2019s easy. The trick is never thinking about it again until you clock back in.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3082.0,"score_ratio":1.5238095238} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nz39l","c_root_id_B":"h0n6vut","created_at_utc_A":1622881317,"created_at_utc_B":1622860921,"score_A":27,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Honestly it sounds like more a problem with the working culture rather than the job, I think you would love it here in Europe, we have a very different working culture. Here in the UK we get 30 days minimum paid holiday, paid paternity, paid maternity and no company can legally force you to work more than 48 hours in a week (most jobs generally don't go past 40 hours anyway). An engineering degree will get you into pretty much any country you want to move to, if you are open to the idea I think you could be very happy in somewhere like Spain, Germany, the UK etc...","human_ref_B":"a time clock tester","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20396.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0ncncv","c_root_id_B":"h0nz39l","created_at_utc_A":1622864171,"created_at_utc_B":1622881317,"score_A":19,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m the same way. I don\u2019t have the passion for my work the way my coworkers do. You won\u2019t catch me checking email on the weekends. But my industry doesn\u2019t really require reading articles or \u201ckeeping up\u201d with a changing industry because I do mostly machine design \/ structures. I apply the same physics principles to every problem I come across. I would expect most industrial equipment manufacturers are that way. You may need to just change jobs every 2 or 3 years until you find something that is a good fit. It\u2019s pretty hard to know before taking a job if it\u2019s going to be a good fit for you. ESPECIALLY right out of college.","human_ref_B":"Honestly it sounds like more a problem with the working culture rather than the job, I think you would love it here in Europe, we have a very different working culture. Here in the UK we get 30 days minimum paid holiday, paid paternity, paid maternity and no company can legally force you to work more than 48 hours in a week (most jobs generally don't go past 40 hours anyway). An engineering degree will get you into pretty much any country you want to move to, if you are open to the idea I think you could be very happy in somewhere like Spain, Germany, the UK etc...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17146.0,"score_ratio":1.4210526316} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nz39l","c_root_id_B":"h0nd5yg","created_at_utc_A":1622881317,"created_at_utc_B":1622864467,"score_A":27,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Honestly it sounds like more a problem with the working culture rather than the job, I think you would love it here in Europe, we have a very different working culture. Here in the UK we get 30 days minimum paid holiday, paid paternity, paid maternity and no company can legally force you to work more than 48 hours in a week (most jobs generally don't go past 40 hours anyway). An engineering degree will get you into pretty much any country you want to move to, if you are open to the idea I think you could be very happy in somewhere like Spain, Germany, the UK etc...","human_ref_B":"I worked at a HVAC manufacturer, and it was relatively laid back. They'd be interested in someone with your background, I'm sure.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16850.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nz39l","c_root_id_B":"h0nnyb7","created_at_utc_A":1622881317,"created_at_utc_B":1622871696,"score_A":27,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Honestly it sounds like more a problem with the working culture rather than the job, I think you would love it here in Europe, we have a very different working culture. Here in the UK we get 30 days minimum paid holiday, paid paternity, paid maternity and no company can legally force you to work more than 48 hours in a week (most jobs generally don't go past 40 hours anyway). An engineering degree will get you into pretty much any country you want to move to, if you are open to the idea I think you could be very happy in somewhere like Spain, Germany, the UK etc...","human_ref_B":"You're good dude. Defense if you wanna just consistently do task has lots of jobs like that. I'm the opposite of you. I have passion for everything. I also like working with people like you. You come in, you do your job. Done is done. Passionate as I am. I put in 40 unless there's a real good reason. I get asked for more every week. Other peoples poor planning is not my problem.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9621.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nz39l","c_root_id_B":"h0nh1b2","created_at_utc_A":1622881317,"created_at_utc_B":1622866846,"score_A":27,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Honestly it sounds like more a problem with the working culture rather than the job, I think you would love it here in Europe, we have a very different working culture. Here in the UK we get 30 days minimum paid holiday, paid paternity, paid maternity and no company can legally force you to work more than 48 hours in a week (most jobs generally don't go past 40 hours anyway). An engineering degree will get you into pretty much any country you want to move to, if you are open to the idea I think you could be very happy in somewhere like Spain, Germany, the UK etc...","human_ref_B":"Project Engineering. There will someone's be times that you have to come in on weekends if your project is being installed, but for the most part you get your 40 and you are done. I'm not sure if all project Engineering is like this, but if you only work on in house stuff and not things for customers, you often have to do research into topics typically covered in other fields, bit you only need a basic understanding. You also get to use problem solving skills to try and design around already existing stuff that is often not documented or poorly documented. The only major downside for me is that there is a bit of paperwork for the project management side of it, but I don't mind it too much. Someone's people just suck to work with.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14471.0,"score_ratio":3.375} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0ndqzl","c_root_id_B":"h0nz39l","created_at_utc_A":1622864804,"created_at_utc_B":1622881317,"score_A":6,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Utilities seem to be less intensive than other fields. Worked at a utility during my internship and found it less stressful than my coursework","human_ref_B":"Honestly it sounds like more a problem with the working culture rather than the job, I think you would love it here in Europe, we have a very different working culture. Here in the UK we get 30 days minimum paid holiday, paid paternity, paid maternity and no company can legally force you to work more than 48 hours in a week (most jobs generally don't go past 40 hours anyway). An engineering degree will get you into pretty much any country you want to move to, if you are open to the idea I think you could be very happy in somewhere like Spain, Germany, the UK etc...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16513.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nz39l","c_root_id_B":"h0nm88a","created_at_utc_A":1622881317,"created_at_utc_B":1622870404,"score_A":27,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Honestly it sounds like more a problem with the working culture rather than the job, I think you would love it here in Europe, we have a very different working culture. Here in the UK we get 30 days minimum paid holiday, paid paternity, paid maternity and no company can legally force you to work more than 48 hours in a week (most jobs generally don't go past 40 hours anyway). An engineering degree will get you into pretty much any country you want to move to, if you are open to the idea I think you could be very happy in somewhere like Spain, Germany, the UK etc...","human_ref_B":"Usajobs.gov Just find one you like and do 40 hours a week.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10913.0,"score_ratio":3.8571428571} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nz39l","c_root_id_B":"h0nqtu2","created_at_utc_A":1622881317,"created_at_utc_B":1622873977,"score_A":27,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Honestly it sounds like more a problem with the working culture rather than the job, I think you would love it here in Europe, we have a very different working culture. Here in the UK we get 30 days minimum paid holiday, paid paternity, paid maternity and no company can legally force you to work more than 48 hours in a week (most jobs generally don't go past 40 hours anyway). An engineering degree will get you into pretty much any country you want to move to, if you are open to the idea I think you could be very happy in somewhere like Spain, Germany, the UK etc...","human_ref_B":"For what it's worth I don't think you should feel bad about what you feel. It's mainly a cultural thing and imo it's good that you want to work less and do life more.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7340.0,"score_ratio":5.4} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nz39l","c_root_id_B":"h0nt07r","created_at_utc_A":1622881317,"created_at_utc_B":1622875780,"score_A":27,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Honestly it sounds like more a problem with the working culture rather than the job, I think you would love it here in Europe, we have a very different working culture. Here in the UK we get 30 days minimum paid holiday, paid paternity, paid maternity and no company can legally force you to work more than 48 hours in a week (most jobs generally don't go past 40 hours anyway). An engineering degree will get you into pretty much any country you want to move to, if you are open to the idea I think you could be very happy in somewhere like Spain, Germany, the UK etc...","human_ref_B":"Sorry to hear it hasn't been as big a passion as you were hoping. But I can relate somewhat. Especially in my last job that had me doing tech support, which was drudgery until they could find something to do with me. But being able to clock out of work and leave it *at* work is still a good thing to look for, regardless. In my experience, you're looking for a more corporate setup. With a small business, there is a lot riding on you as an individual, and timelines are tight, so there are lots of overtime hours and the expectation that it be a \"lifestyle\" and not just a career. But if you go for big corporations, such as defense contractors like Raytheon or others, the pace is way slower, and the immense size and resources available allow these entities to afford things like long training periods, or sending employees down long tasks that may or may not pan out. Or most relavent to you, they have enough buffer that the ebbs and flows of day to day life are not a big deal. I work for a big company, myself, after working for a few startups. Working in startups, if I'm having a down day or down week, it could affect schedules that depend on me. One company had me doing tech support which depended on very consistent day-to-day productivity that held me in a constant state of burnout. But at this new company, I have weeks or even months where I'm not productive and then suddenly extremely productive all at once in the last few days. Especially with the distractions of working from home. But the schedules are planned out in terms of years. So an unproductive slump followed by intense productivity isn't a big deal. You can still clock in and clock out at the same times each day. In fact, some of the employees have opted to work in the office despite the fact that we are still working from home. They prefer having the commute in order to separate work life from home life. This won't be the case for all big businesses or small businesses, but it's what I generally hear. The smaller the company, the more dependent on you they are. The bigger the company, they more they can afford ebbs and flows. Hope this helps!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5537.0,"score_ratio":6.75} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nb48r","c_root_id_B":"h0n6vut","created_at_utc_A":1622863309,"created_at_utc_B":1622860921,"score_A":28,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"I found this to be the case when working in industrial machinery design, where the machinists and other shop workers work closely with the Engineers. The union ethos of \"I work hard, but for exactly 8 hours\" leaks into other rolls in the building. I am personally very passionate about Engineering, and still enjoyed it quite a lot. They were not bad Engineers, actually very good Engineers, but there was a strong culture to not take work home with you. Be careful, though, because some places have a strong disconnect between the shop and the Engineers, and take advantage of the different mentality. A friend of mine works as a plant supervisor (not sure if that's the correct term) and this is NOT the case at all. They are \"above\" the shop workers, not working \"along side\" them, and their expectations are different accordingly. They regularly get calls outside their hours with questions and are often asked to come in early\/late or cover shifts.","human_ref_B":"a time clock tester","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2388.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nh1b2","c_root_id_B":"h0nnyb7","created_at_utc_A":1622866846,"created_at_utc_B":1622871696,"score_A":8,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Project Engineering. There will someone's be times that you have to come in on weekends if your project is being installed, but for the most part you get your 40 and you are done. I'm not sure if all project Engineering is like this, but if you only work on in house stuff and not things for customers, you often have to do research into topics typically covered in other fields, bit you only need a basic understanding. You also get to use problem solving skills to try and design around already existing stuff that is often not documented or poorly documented. The only major downside for me is that there is a bit of paperwork for the project management side of it, but I don't mind it too much. Someone's people just suck to work with.","human_ref_B":"You're good dude. Defense if you wanna just consistently do task has lots of jobs like that. I'm the opposite of you. I have passion for everything. I also like working with people like you. You come in, you do your job. Done is done. Passionate as I am. I put in 40 unless there's a real good reason. I get asked for more every week. Other peoples poor planning is not my problem.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4850.0,"score_ratio":1.125} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nnyb7","c_root_id_B":"h0ndqzl","created_at_utc_A":1622871696,"created_at_utc_B":1622864804,"score_A":9,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"You're good dude. Defense if you wanna just consistently do task has lots of jobs like that. I'm the opposite of you. I have passion for everything. I also like working with people like you. You come in, you do your job. Done is done. Passionate as I am. I put in 40 unless there's a real good reason. I get asked for more every week. Other peoples poor planning is not my problem.","human_ref_B":"Utilities seem to be less intensive than other fields. Worked at a utility during my internship and found it less stressful than my coursework","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6892.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nnyb7","c_root_id_B":"h0nm88a","created_at_utc_A":1622871696,"created_at_utc_B":1622870404,"score_A":9,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"You're good dude. Defense if you wanna just consistently do task has lots of jobs like that. I'm the opposite of you. I have passion for everything. I also like working with people like you. You come in, you do your job. Done is done. Passionate as I am. I put in 40 unless there's a real good reason. I get asked for more every week. Other peoples poor planning is not my problem.","human_ref_B":"Usajobs.gov Just find one you like and do 40 hours a week.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1292.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0ndqzl","c_root_id_B":"h0nh1b2","created_at_utc_A":1622864804,"created_at_utc_B":1622866846,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Utilities seem to be less intensive than other fields. Worked at a utility during my internship and found it less stressful than my coursework","human_ref_B":"Project Engineering. There will someone's be times that you have to come in on weekends if your project is being installed, but for the most part you get your 40 and you are done. I'm not sure if all project Engineering is like this, but if you only work on in house stuff and not things for customers, you often have to do research into topics typically covered in other fields, bit you only need a basic understanding. You also get to use problem solving skills to try and design around already existing stuff that is often not documented or poorly documented. The only major downside for me is that there is a bit of paperwork for the project management side of it, but I don't mind it too much. Someone's people just suck to work with.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2042.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nm88a","c_root_id_B":"h0ndqzl","created_at_utc_A":1622870404,"created_at_utc_B":1622864804,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Usajobs.gov Just find one you like and do 40 hours a week.","human_ref_B":"Utilities seem to be less intensive than other fields. Worked at a utility during my internship and found it less stressful than my coursework","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5600.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nqtu2","c_root_id_B":"h0otrj8","created_at_utc_A":1622873977,"created_at_utc_B":1622903458,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"For what it's worth I don't think you should feel bad about what you feel. It's mainly a cultural thing and imo it's good that you want to work less and do life more.","human_ref_B":"This passion means over 40 hours a week thing is ridiculous. If I told you I had a hobby of volunteering at an animal shelter, you wouldn't act like I'm not passionate about it just because I only do it for 10 hours a week. 40 hours a week is a long time to devote for anything, passion or no passion. To answer your question though, I would look into a government entity. Building permits, public water.. The work will probably feel worse tbh, but no one will say anything about you putting in 40 and leaving.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29481.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"nsljf1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What engineering industries are good for those who want to clock in and clock out? I graduated a year ago with a ME degree and began my career in the MEP\/HVAC design industry. Recently I realized the industry was not for me and I left my job. I didn't very passionate about the work performed and I hated the long hours and never-ending deadlines. The past few months have involved a lot soul searching regarding my career - I've realized that I am not passionate about any particular engineering industry. I feel like most engineers are expected to be very passionate and driven to become technical experts in their field. At my job, I was (understandably) pushed to become an expert in all things MEP systems - and I had no interest to put in the effort outside of the minimum that was required to complete the tasks I was assigned. My coworkers would read articles related to work on their own time and seemed to have a much higher interest in the field than I did, I felt like a bit of an outcast in that way. Many of you may respond that engineering is not for me, and I realize that may be true. But I did really enjoy getting my engineering degree - I enjoy the problem-solving involved in engineering and the way engineers are trained to think. I also really enjoy learning the \"basics\" of engineering fields, but once you get past that and really dive into the nitty gritty, I have very little motivation to keep learning. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not exactly ready to give up engineering as a career. I enjoy the problem-solving aspect and the role engineers play in society, but I don't feel inspired to deep dive and dedicate my life to one particular field of engineering. I think I could enjoy (or maybe tolerate) an engineering career where I'm able to clock in for 40 hours a week and complete my tasks before going home and leaving it all at work, are there any engineering industries like this?","c_root_id_A":"h0nt07r","c_root_id_B":"h0otrj8","created_at_utc_A":1622875780,"created_at_utc_B":1622903458,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Sorry to hear it hasn't been as big a passion as you were hoping. But I can relate somewhat. Especially in my last job that had me doing tech support, which was drudgery until they could find something to do with me. But being able to clock out of work and leave it *at* work is still a good thing to look for, regardless. In my experience, you're looking for a more corporate setup. With a small business, there is a lot riding on you as an individual, and timelines are tight, so there are lots of overtime hours and the expectation that it be a \"lifestyle\" and not just a career. But if you go for big corporations, such as defense contractors like Raytheon or others, the pace is way slower, and the immense size and resources available allow these entities to afford things like long training periods, or sending employees down long tasks that may or may not pan out. Or most relavent to you, they have enough buffer that the ebbs and flows of day to day life are not a big deal. I work for a big company, myself, after working for a few startups. Working in startups, if I'm having a down day or down week, it could affect schedules that depend on me. One company had me doing tech support which depended on very consistent day-to-day productivity that held me in a constant state of burnout. But at this new company, I have weeks or even months where I'm not productive and then suddenly extremely productive all at once in the last few days. Especially with the distractions of working from home. But the schedules are planned out in terms of years. So an unproductive slump followed by intense productivity isn't a big deal. You can still clock in and clock out at the same times each day. In fact, some of the employees have opted to work in the office despite the fact that we are still working from home. They prefer having the commute in order to separate work life from home life. This won't be the case for all big businesses or small businesses, but it's what I generally hear. The smaller the company, the more dependent on you they are. The bigger the company, they more they can afford ebbs and flows. Hope this helps!","human_ref_B":"This passion means over 40 hours a week thing is ridiculous. If I told you I had a hobby of volunteering at an animal shelter, you wouldn't act like I'm not passionate about it just because I only do it for 10 hours a week. 40 hours a week is a long time to devote for anything, passion or no passion. To answer your question though, I would look into a government entity. Building permits, public water.. The work will probably feel worse tbh, but no one will say anything about you putting in 40 and leaving.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27678.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpsl0xg","c_root_id_B":"fpsolm0","created_at_utc_A":1588875258,"created_at_utc_B":1588876981,"score_A":111,"score_B":426,"human_ref_A":"We are not doing this today, it's not worth what ensues.","human_ref_B":"It's a whole thing... \"Chemical or food engineers work in their labs to develop a formula with good consistency within the limits of the legal description of an ice cream. In order to call a frozen desert, ice cream, it has to contain a certain amount of fat and dairy. The legal description changes from country to country and needs to be followed according to the country where the ice cream will be sold and distributed.\" Link","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1723.0,"score_ratio":3.8378378378} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpsktcf","c_root_id_B":"fpsolm0","created_at_utc_A":1588875155,"created_at_utc_B":1588876981,"score_A":10,"score_B":426,"human_ref_A":"It seems pretty straight forward","human_ref_B":"It's a whole thing... \"Chemical or food engineers work in their labs to develop a formula with good consistency within the limits of the legal description of an ice cream. In order to call a frozen desert, ice cream, it has to contain a certain amount of fat and dairy. The legal description changes from country to country and needs to be followed according to the country where the ice cream will be sold and distributed.\" Link","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1826.0,"score_ratio":42.6} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpslupd","c_root_id_B":"fpsolm0","created_at_utc_A":1588875659,"created_at_utc_B":1588876981,"score_A":9,"score_B":426,"human_ref_A":"More please...yeah, what is it?","human_ref_B":"It's a whole thing... \"Chemical or food engineers work in their labs to develop a formula with good consistency within the limits of the legal description of an ice cream. In order to call a frozen desert, ice cream, it has to contain a certain amount of fat and dairy. The legal description changes from country to country and needs to be followed according to the country where the ice cream will be sold and distributed.\" Link","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1322.0,"score_ratio":47.3333333333} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpsktcf","c_root_id_B":"fpsl0xg","created_at_utc_A":1588875155,"created_at_utc_B":1588875258,"score_A":10,"score_B":111,"human_ref_A":"It seems pretty straight forward","human_ref_B":"We are not doing this today, it's not worth what ensues.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":103.0,"score_ratio":11.1} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpsp4pj","c_root_id_B":"fpsktcf","created_at_utc_A":1588877231,"created_at_utc_B":1588875155,"score_A":83,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Their department probably does a lot of work with local ice cream manufacturers. The CHE department where I went had a lot of senior projects working with breweries and large scale beer production. Besides, who doesn't love ice cream?","human_ref_B":"It seems pretty straight forward","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2076.0,"score_ratio":8.3} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpslupd","c_root_id_B":"fpsp4pj","created_at_utc_A":1588875659,"created_at_utc_B":1588877231,"score_A":9,"score_B":83,"human_ref_A":"More please...yeah, what is it?","human_ref_B":"Their department probably does a lot of work with local ice cream manufacturers. The CHE department where I went had a lot of senior projects working with breweries and large scale beer production. Besides, who doesn't love ice cream?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1572.0,"score_ratio":9.2222222222} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpsktcf","c_root_id_B":"fpsrh1l","created_at_utc_A":1588875155,"created_at_utc_B":1588878367,"score_A":10,"score_B":78,"human_ref_A":"It seems pretty straight forward","human_ref_B":"Could be multiple things: 1) Food science can be complicated. It's important to understand how all the chemicals (food ingredients) interact and how the freezing process can impact those interactions. 2) If it's an agricultural University, then your school likely makes it's own ice cream, and could be leveraging the ChemE department to further that work. 3) You could probably find massive texts like that on nearly any topic with more details than you ever thought possible, especially those so popular\/well liked such as ice cream.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3212.0,"score_ratio":7.8} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpslupd","c_root_id_B":"fpsrh1l","created_at_utc_A":1588875659,"created_at_utc_B":1588878367,"score_A":9,"score_B":78,"human_ref_A":"More please...yeah, what is it?","human_ref_B":"Could be multiple things: 1) Food science can be complicated. It's important to understand how all the chemicals (food ingredients) interact and how the freezing process can impact those interactions. 2) If it's an agricultural University, then your school likely makes it's own ice cream, and could be leveraging the ChemE department to further that work. 3) You could probably find massive texts like that on nearly any topic with more details than you ever thought possible, especially those so popular\/well liked such as ice cream.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2708.0,"score_ratio":8.6666666667} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpsxf7v","c_root_id_B":"fpteikd","created_at_utc_A":1588881245,"created_at_utc_B":1588889789,"score_A":22,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"As a fellow Mechie, I can't comment on ice-cream, but just wait for all the discussions you'll have about the design of the aluminum beverage can.","human_ref_B":"Chemical engineer here. All I can say is that it is sexual in nature. Can't really tell you more than that.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8544.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpteikd","c_root_id_B":"fpsuds7","created_at_utc_A":1588889789,"created_at_utc_B":1588879775,"score_A":33,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Chemical engineer here. All I can say is that it is sexual in nature. Can't really tell you more than that.","human_ref_B":"Making batches of ice cream at home is straight forward but easy to screw up: you have a boiling\/baking process followed up by a freezing process where you have to mix it to prevent ice crystals from forming up. And doing that in a gallon batch is easy enough to not get perfect, doing it in hundred ballon or thousand gallon batches is much much harder.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10014.0,"score_ratio":1.9411764706} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpszyhl","c_root_id_B":"fpteikd","created_at_utc_A":1588882486,"created_at_utc_B":1588889789,"score_A":15,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"This post is one of my favorites. I\u2019ve never learned so much about ice cream so quickly","human_ref_B":"Chemical engineer here. All I can say is that it is sexual in nature. Can't really tell you more than that.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7303.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpteikd","c_root_id_B":"fpt5yn2","created_at_utc_A":1588889789,"created_at_utc_B":1588885439,"score_A":33,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Chemical engineer here. All I can say is that it is sexual in nature. Can't really tell you more than that.","human_ref_B":"Try this one out at r\/FoodScience. Foods are some of the most complicated chemical and biological systems known. Dairy, in particular, is arguably of similar complexity to petroleum. Cheese rinds are as complicated as a tropical rainforest. The food industry is rich with interesting problems and poor in high quality engineering talent.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4350.0,"score_ratio":3.3} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpteikd","c_root_id_B":"fpsktcf","created_at_utc_A":1588889789,"created_at_utc_B":1588875155,"score_A":33,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Chemical engineer here. All I can say is that it is sexual in nature. Can't really tell you more than that.","human_ref_B":"It seems pretty straight forward","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14634.0,"score_ratio":3.3} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpteikd","c_root_id_B":"fpslupd","created_at_utc_A":1588889789,"created_at_utc_B":1588875659,"score_A":33,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Chemical engineer here. All I can say is that it is sexual in nature. Can't really tell you more than that.","human_ref_B":"More please...yeah, what is it?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14130.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpteikd","c_root_id_B":"fpt4ggc","created_at_utc_A":1588889789,"created_at_utc_B":1588884695,"score_A":33,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Chemical engineer here. All I can say is that it is sexual in nature. Can't really tell you more than that.","human_ref_B":"Fun fact: Before Margaret Thatcher became PM she was a chemical engineer that played a pivitol role in devopling soft scoop ice cream.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5094.0,"score_ratio":5.5} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fptboyj","c_root_id_B":"fpteikd","created_at_utc_A":1588888331,"created_at_utc_B":1588889789,"score_A":6,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"For what it's worth, a text description of a chemical engineer's work regarding exploding packets of ketchup singlehandedly dissuaded me from chemical engineering as a degree. Thank you, writer.","human_ref_B":"Chemical engineer here. All I can say is that it is sexual in nature. Can't really tell you more than that.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1458.0,"score_ratio":5.5} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpsxf7v","c_root_id_B":"fpsuds7","created_at_utc_A":1588881245,"created_at_utc_B":1588879775,"score_A":22,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"As a fellow Mechie, I can't comment on ice-cream, but just wait for all the discussions you'll have about the design of the aluminum beverage can.","human_ref_B":"Making batches of ice cream at home is straight forward but easy to screw up: you have a boiling\/baking process followed up by a freezing process where you have to mix it to prevent ice crystals from forming up. And doing that in a gallon batch is easy enough to not get perfect, doing it in hundred ballon or thousand gallon batches is much much harder.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1470.0,"score_ratio":1.2941176471} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpsktcf","c_root_id_B":"fpsxf7v","created_at_utc_A":1588875155,"created_at_utc_B":1588881245,"score_A":10,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"It seems pretty straight forward","human_ref_B":"As a fellow Mechie, I can't comment on ice-cream, but just wait for all the discussions you'll have about the design of the aluminum beverage can.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6090.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpslupd","c_root_id_B":"fpsxf7v","created_at_utc_A":1588875659,"created_at_utc_B":1588881245,"score_A":9,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"More please...yeah, what is it?","human_ref_B":"As a fellow Mechie, I can't comment on ice-cream, but just wait for all the discussions you'll have about the design of the aluminum beverage can.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5586.0,"score_ratio":2.4444444444} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpsuds7","c_root_id_B":"fpsktcf","created_at_utc_A":1588879775,"created_at_utc_B":1588875155,"score_A":17,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Making batches of ice cream at home is straight forward but easy to screw up: you have a boiling\/baking process followed up by a freezing process where you have to mix it to prevent ice crystals from forming up. And doing that in a gallon batch is easy enough to not get perfect, doing it in hundred ballon or thousand gallon batches is much much harder.","human_ref_B":"It seems pretty straight forward","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4620.0,"score_ratio":1.7} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpslupd","c_root_id_B":"fpsuds7","created_at_utc_A":1588875659,"created_at_utc_B":1588879775,"score_A":9,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"More please...yeah, what is it?","human_ref_B":"Making batches of ice cream at home is straight forward but easy to screw up: you have a boiling\/baking process followed up by a freezing process where you have to mix it to prevent ice crystals from forming up. And doing that in a gallon batch is easy enough to not get perfect, doing it in hundred ballon or thousand gallon batches is much much harder.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4116.0,"score_ratio":1.8888888889} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpsktcf","c_root_id_B":"fpszyhl","created_at_utc_A":1588875155,"created_at_utc_B":1588882486,"score_A":10,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"It seems pretty straight forward","human_ref_B":"This post is one of my favorites. I\u2019ve never learned so much about ice cream so quickly","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7331.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpszyhl","c_root_id_B":"fpslupd","created_at_utc_A":1588882486,"created_at_utc_B":1588875659,"score_A":15,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"This post is one of my favorites. I\u2019ve never learned so much about ice cream so quickly","human_ref_B":"More please...yeah, what is it?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6827.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpt5yn2","c_root_id_B":"fpslupd","created_at_utc_A":1588885439,"created_at_utc_B":1588875659,"score_A":10,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Try this one out at r\/FoodScience. Foods are some of the most complicated chemical and biological systems known. Dairy, in particular, is arguably of similar complexity to petroleum. Cheese rinds are as complicated as a tropical rainforest. The food industry is rich with interesting problems and poor in high quality engineering talent.","human_ref_B":"More please...yeah, what is it?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9780.0,"score_ratio":1.1111111111} +{"post_id":"gf9jrm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Chemical Engineers of reddit, what the heck is the deal with ice cream? I\u2019m studying Mechanical Engineering right now and I\u2019m finishing my 3rd year. The mech, aero, and chemical eng departments share an office space and I went to see a professor one day. As I was sitting in the waiting area, I noticed a bookshelf labeled \u201cessentials of professional chemical engineers\u201d. There were well over 50 books thicker than novels on the topic of ice cream. Please, I\u2019m so confused. I tried to ask my chem eng friends and all they said was \u201cif only you knew\u201d.","c_root_id_A":"fpt5yn2","c_root_id_B":"fpt4ggc","created_at_utc_A":1588885439,"created_at_utc_B":1588884695,"score_A":10,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Try this one out at r\/FoodScience. Foods are some of the most complicated chemical and biological systems known. Dairy, in particular, is arguably of similar complexity to petroleum. Cheese rinds are as complicated as a tropical rainforest. The food industry is rich with interesting problems and poor in high quality engineering talent.","human_ref_B":"Fun fact: Before Margaret Thatcher became PM she was a chemical engineer that played a pivitol role in devopling soft scoop ice cream.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":744.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8swtao","c_root_id_B":"e8sv5ok","created_at_utc_A":1541010044,"created_at_utc_B":1541008684,"score_A":146,"score_B":105,"human_ref_A":"I believe you may need to schedule routine plant shutdowns. Then find second sources for childcare and meal preparation.","human_ref_B":"Unconventional scheduling: go hookie from work and have a date day\/lunch\/afternoon. Works best if the small children are under care elsewhere during the day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1360.0,"score_ratio":1.3904761905} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8swel1","c_root_id_B":"e8swtao","created_at_utc_A":1541009709,"created_at_utc_B":1541010044,"score_A":54,"score_B":146,"human_ref_A":"Contract out the childrearing responsibilities on a short-term basis while local assets are realigned to a management focus.","human_ref_B":"I believe you may need to schedule routine plant shutdowns. Then find second sources for childcare and meal preparation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":335.0,"score_ratio":2.7037037037} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8swtao","c_root_id_B":"e8svd53","created_at_utc_A":1541010044,"created_at_utc_B":1541008854,"score_A":146,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"I believe you may need to schedule routine plant shutdowns. Then find second sources for childcare and meal preparation.","human_ref_B":"Perhaps you need to add a third manager to the team to share... the work load.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1190.0,"score_ratio":3.1739130435} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8swtao","c_root_id_B":"e8stfdy","created_at_utc_A":1541010044,"created_at_utc_B":1541007283,"score_A":146,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"I believe you may need to schedule routine plant shutdowns. Then find second sources for childcare and meal preparation.","human_ref_B":"build legos together for halloween, watch sci fi horror\/thrillers like Alien, Sunshine, etc my engineering SO became an MD SO shortly afterwards so it became harder to do engineering things...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2761.0,"score_ratio":6.347826087} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8sw8sv","c_root_id_B":"e8swtao","created_at_utc_A":1541009577,"created_at_utc_B":1541010044,"score_A":13,"score_B":146,"human_ref_A":"The formula for a good work life balance is: y=-x\\^2+80x Where Y is the quality of your life and X the hours worked. Do the math! :)","human_ref_B":"I believe you may need to schedule routine plant shutdowns. Then find second sources for childcare and meal preparation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":467.0,"score_ratio":11.2307692308} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8sv5ok","c_root_id_B":"e8stfdy","created_at_utc_A":1541008684,"created_at_utc_B":1541007283,"score_A":105,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"Unconventional scheduling: go hookie from work and have a date day\/lunch\/afternoon. Works best if the small children are under care elsewhere during the day","human_ref_B":"build legos together for halloween, watch sci fi horror\/thrillers like Alien, Sunshine, etc my engineering SO became an MD SO shortly afterwards so it became harder to do engineering things...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1401.0,"score_ratio":4.5652173913} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8swel1","c_root_id_B":"e8szk6n","created_at_utc_A":1541009709,"created_at_utc_B":1541012157,"score_A":54,"score_B":76,"human_ref_A":"Contract out the childrearing responsibilities on a short-term basis while local assets are realigned to a management focus.","human_ref_B":"We have a babysitter weekly for two hours. Wednesday nights. Not really date night, but sometimes a nice dinner is attended. Mostly, it's for errands that our three kids make unfun. We also talk to each other - get this - without being interrupted. It's crazy. Sometimes the babysitter can't make it. With it being every week, it's not a big deal to miss one or two. This has really done wonders for our relationship. Sometimes I remember why we started a family. 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With it being every week, it's not a big deal to miss one or two. This has really done wonders for our relationship. Sometimes I remember why we started a family. Then we go home.","human_ref_B":"Perhaps you need to add a third manager to the team to share... the work load.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3303.0,"score_ratio":1.652173913} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8szk6n","c_root_id_B":"e8sxx28","created_at_utc_A":1541012157,"created_at_utc_B":1541010904,"score_A":76,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"We have a babysitter weekly for two hours. Wednesday nights. 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Since you lack a clear goal to spec out for this project you must just dive in try the first you think of at the first available time. Following scrum principles will allow the two primary stakeholders to build the process as they go. Per the previous poster, outsourcing childcare is critical. Establish a recurring task with said resource to create hard deadlines for yourselves. Better is always the enemy of good enough. The first date will be easy as you have no requirements to benchmark against. Good luck. Edit:typo","human_ref_B":"The floggings will continue until morale improves. Reserve a family night every week or every other week. My GF and I go to the theater every Tuesday. As an AMC Stubs Insider (free membership) movie tickets are $5\/each on Tuesday. $10 (plus tax) movie night, doesn't get more affordable than that. Plus, movies sometimes play late into the night so we can make time if we both happen to work late. Within reason of course, you don't want to start a 2.5-hour movie at 9pm on a school night.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1004.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8t4msk","c_root_id_B":"e8t5jsl","created_at_utc_A":1541016215,"created_at_utc_B":1541016943,"score_A":8,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Sleep, sex, schedule. You get to pick two. Try cycling through different pairs on a regular interval. Also I'd start fostering self-management in the younger employees. It won't take right away, but at some point they'll become self-sufficient. You won't be able to micromanage, but you will gain some time for strategic growth and development meetings.","human_ref_B":"Must shift from waterfall scheduling to agile. Since you lack a clear goal to spec out for this project you must just dive in try the first you think of at the first available time. Following scrum principles will allow the two primary stakeholders to build the process as they go. Per the previous poster, outsourcing childcare is critical. Establish a recurring task with said resource to create hard deadlines for yourselves. Better is always the enemy of good enough. The first date will be easy as you have no requirements to benchmark against. Good luck. Edit:typo","labels":0,"seconds_difference":728.0,"score_ratio":3.375} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8t5jsl","c_root_id_B":"e8sxqx0","created_at_utc_A":1541016943,"created_at_utc_B":1541010775,"score_A":27,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Must shift from waterfall scheduling to agile. Since you lack a clear goal to spec out for this project you must just dive in try the first you think of at the first available time. Following scrum principles will allow the two primary stakeholders to build the process as they go. Per the previous poster, outsourcing childcare is critical. Establish a recurring task with said resource to create hard deadlines for yourselves. Better is always the enemy of good enough. The first date will be easy as you have no requirements to benchmark against. Good luck. Edit:typo","human_ref_B":"Would suggest getting locked in a room together and trying to escape.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6168.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8sw8sv","c_root_id_B":"e8szeu2","created_at_utc_A":1541009577,"created_at_utc_B":1541012046,"score_A":13,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"The formula for a good work life balance is: y=-x\\^2+80x Where Y is the quality of your life and X the hours worked. Do the math! :)","human_ref_B":"Have you tried turning off the module that is giving you trouble, loading a known-good firmware version and turning it back on?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2469.0,"score_ratio":1.6923076923} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8sxqx0","c_root_id_B":"e8szeu2","created_at_utc_A":1541010775,"created_at_utc_B":1541012046,"score_A":6,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"Would suggest getting locked in a room together and trying to escape.","human_ref_B":"Have you tried turning off the module that is giving you trouble, loading a known-good firmware version and turning it back on?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1271.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8szg5q","c_root_id_B":"e8sw8sv","created_at_utc_A":1541012072,"created_at_utc_B":1541009577,"score_A":14,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Somewhat off topic, but if you run your household like an engineer would run a company, do you expect your kids will grow up liking or hating engineering, or engineering styles of organization?","human_ref_B":"The formula for a good work life balance is: y=-x\\^2+80x Where Y is the quality of your life and X the hours worked. Do the math! :)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2495.0,"score_ratio":1.0769230769} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8sxqx0","c_root_id_B":"e8szg5q","created_at_utc_A":1541010775,"created_at_utc_B":1541012072,"score_A":6,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Would suggest getting locked in a room together and trying to escape.","human_ref_B":"Somewhat off topic, but if you run your household like an engineer would run a company, do you expect your kids will grow up liking or hating engineering, or engineering styles of organization?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1297.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8sxqx0","c_root_id_B":"e8t0epa","created_at_utc_A":1541010775,"created_at_utc_B":1541012803,"score_A":6,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Would suggest getting locked in a room together and trying to escape.","human_ref_B":"Schedule a frequent PM program making sure all parts are lubricated and inspections satisfied to highest performance.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2028.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8t4abz","c_root_id_B":"e8sxqx0","created_at_utc_A":1541015939,"created_at_utc_B":1541010775,"score_A":9,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"The floggings will continue until morale improves. Reserve a family night every week or every other week. My GF and I go to the theater every Tuesday. As an AMC Stubs Insider (free membership) movie tickets are $5\/each on Tuesday. $10 (plus tax) movie night, doesn't get more affordable than that. Plus, movies sometimes play late into the night so we can make time if we both happen to work late. Within reason of course, you don't want to start a 2.5-hour movie at 9pm on a school night.","human_ref_B":"Would suggest getting locked in a room together and trying to escape.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5164.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8sxqx0","c_root_id_B":"e8t4msk","created_at_utc_A":1541010775,"created_at_utc_B":1541016215,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Would suggest getting locked in a room together and trying to escape.","human_ref_B":"Sleep, sex, schedule. You get to pick two. Try cycling through different pairs on a regular interval. Also I'd start fostering self-management in the younger employees. It won't take right away, but at some point they'll become self-sufficient. You won't be able to micromanage, but you will gain some time for strategic growth and development meetings.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5440.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"9t0uh3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineering & Date Night? We\u2019ve had some success running our household of two adults and two small children by implementing tools of industrial efficiency and effective management. We have thus far failed to figure out how to include regular team-building exercises for the two-person management team. Morale is suffering. Suggestions welcome.","c_root_id_A":"e8sxqx0","c_root_id_B":"e8tfju6","created_at_utc_A":1541010775,"created_at_utc_B":1541025545,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Would suggest getting locked in a room together and trying to escape.","human_ref_B":"Some first principles to keep in mind is that while a lot of downtime for some big upkeep is necessary from time to time, some stuff can be handled without downtime. Sterilizing the food prep area, chilling ethanol based potables ahead of time, and cleaning debris from the factory floor doesnt require huge commitments, and these little things over time greatly improve morale. So even if there are long periods between your downtime, you wont need to worry that the furnace will go out. Then have regularly scheduled downtime. Have a contractor on retainer to come in during PM so you can focus on morale activities. Typically team building exercises work best in a non-plant setting. From time to time our management rents out a part of a hotel to handle to travel to.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14770.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu94axu","c_root_id_B":"gu950uy","created_at_utc_A":1618234824,"created_at_utc_B":1618235199,"score_A":123,"score_B":384,"human_ref_A":"I'm using a simple to do list in Excel. Everything that comes in gets a priority from 1 to 3 and a timestamp. It also gets a status - in progress, open or finished - with further infos on where the loop is stuck right then, mainly when I am waiting for informations from a third party.","human_ref_B":"* To-do list that I keep track of * Clear communication (and agreement) with my supervisor on what priorities are * Regular communication with my supervisor and the rest of my group on my progress","labels":0,"seconds_difference":375.0,"score_ratio":3.1219512195} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu971nr","c_root_id_B":"gu9a26c","created_at_utc_A":1618236187,"created_at_utc_B":1618237649,"score_A":45,"score_B":77,"human_ref_A":"I recommend reading Getting Things Done by David Allen. Some of the specific methods he proposes are a bit dated (eg filing cabinets and physical inboxes), but the general guidance for how to build a system and use it to manage tasks is very good. I've taken some of the recommendations there and built them on top of tools I use in my day to day work (slack, email, etc).","human_ref_B":"Don\u2019t keep things in your head. You need a system for writing things down and keeping things organized then just prioritize your list every now and then and refer back to it when you need to do something. If you are trying to remember everything and keeping a mental priority list, like after this I go here, when I\u2019m back at my desk message X, then I should be able to get to blank. That is basically what I would call stress. Every time you recall that list you use energy and mental capacity. When you max you mental capacity, your brain starts dropping things or overclocking making you feel stressed and tired and irritable and making you struggle to focus on the task at hand.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1462.0,"score_ratio":1.7111111111} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9a26c","c_root_id_B":"gu96g82","created_at_utc_A":1618237649,"created_at_utc_B":1618235905,"score_A":77,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"Don\u2019t keep things in your head. You need a system for writing things down and keeping things organized then just prioritize your list every now and then and refer back to it when you need to do something. If you are trying to remember everything and keeping a mental priority list, like after this I go here, when I\u2019m back at my desk message X, then I should be able to get to blank. That is basically what I would call stress. Every time you recall that list you use energy and mental capacity. When you max you mental capacity, your brain starts dropping things or overclocking making you feel stressed and tired and irritable and making you struggle to focus on the task at hand.","human_ref_B":"I flag on Outlook emails that need my response (requires some brain time more than 5 minutes). So it\u2019s always visible at the sidebar. For other tasks not tracked on outlook, I keep a paper planner and write down tasks I need to do. If there are tasks that don\u2019t get completed, then I rewrite them for the next day. If it\u2019s time sensitive then I denote with a \u201c!\u201d or write the due date in a different color pen. The thought is if I\u2019m tired of rewriting the same thing over and over, then I better get them done.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1744.0,"score_ratio":2.2647058824} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu971nr","c_root_id_B":"gu96g82","created_at_utc_A":1618236187,"created_at_utc_B":1618235905,"score_A":45,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"I recommend reading Getting Things Done by David Allen. Some of the specific methods he proposes are a bit dated (eg filing cabinets and physical inboxes), but the general guidance for how to build a system and use it to manage tasks is very good. I've taken some of the recommendations there and built them on top of tools I use in my day to day work (slack, email, etc).","human_ref_B":"I flag on Outlook emails that need my response (requires some brain time more than 5 minutes). So it\u2019s always visible at the sidebar. For other tasks not tracked on outlook, I keep a paper planner and write down tasks I need to do. If there are tasks that don\u2019t get completed, then I rewrite them for the next day. If it\u2019s time sensitive then I denote with a \u201c!\u201d or write the due date in a different color pen. The thought is if I\u2019m tired of rewriting the same thing over and over, then I better get them done.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":282.0,"score_ratio":1.3235294118} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9e82f","c_root_id_B":"gu9c709","created_at_utc_A":1618239584,"created_at_utc_B":1618238651,"score_A":18,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"My company uses Jira to track any and all projects and tasks. My previous employer used it as well. When used properly, it is a great tool for tracking anything from long term projects to small, one-off tasks. The primary piece I use is a three column view of all tasks\/projects assigned to me. The columns are \"To Do\", \"In Progress\", and \"Done\". I try to be very diligent about keeping this up to date. As I start to work on something, I pull it out of \"To do\" and into \"In progress\". When I'm done, it goes to \"Done\". Most items I put there myself, based on emails and messages I get. On rare occasions, my team lead will assign something to me. Each task has it's own internal tracking, so I can make notes as I go, attach files, links, etc. The upshot is, I don't have to constantly report in what I'm working on. Other people can look and see exactly what I'm doing. When we have a team stand up, I can just go through my notes and give more detail at that time. I try and get a sense of priority from the requester, but mostly it is left to me. If I hit a road block, I can quickly make a note in the item, then pull something else to work on. If someone asked why I'm not working on their request, I can go to my notes immediately. That usually gets the road block moved for me. There's a psychological reward in seeing that *massive* \"Done\" column, compared to just a few open tasks. I've found that managers *love* that, as they can go to other managers and brag about how much we are churning out.","human_ref_B":"Lots of good suggestions. Another thing you can try is asking people who are sending you requests to unify or limit how they send those. For example, I'll often IM one of the customer service reps on our team with a question about an order. Sometimes, they have the answer and can clarify immediately, sometimes they have to dig into their emails or just reach out to the customer for clarification. Often times, they'll say \"Yeah, I'll take a look at this. Can you shoot me an email so I remember to do it?\" That way, you can flag it in Outlook or Gmail or whatever, and you can have most of your tasks in one place. This isn't a universal solution, I probably wouldn't make this ask of an exec or senior manager if they called me directly; in that case, I'd write it down myself, assuming that they're quite busy. If you deal with folks in production, they might not have access to email or use it regularly enough for that to be reasonable. But for a lot of people, this should be a small lift, especially since you're telling them that it'll help ensure they get what they need from you.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":933.0,"score_ratio":3.6} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9e82f","c_root_id_B":"gu9dl53","created_at_utc_A":1618239584,"created_at_utc_B":1618239290,"score_A":18,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"My company uses Jira to track any and all projects and tasks. My previous employer used it as well. When used properly, it is a great tool for tracking anything from long term projects to small, one-off tasks. The primary piece I use is a three column view of all tasks\/projects assigned to me. The columns are \"To Do\", \"In Progress\", and \"Done\". I try to be very diligent about keeping this up to date. As I start to work on something, I pull it out of \"To do\" and into \"In progress\". When I'm done, it goes to \"Done\". Most items I put there myself, based on emails and messages I get. On rare occasions, my team lead will assign something to me. Each task has it's own internal tracking, so I can make notes as I go, attach files, links, etc. The upshot is, I don't have to constantly report in what I'm working on. Other people can look and see exactly what I'm doing. When we have a team stand up, I can just go through my notes and give more detail at that time. I try and get a sense of priority from the requester, but mostly it is left to me. If I hit a road block, I can quickly make a note in the item, then pull something else to work on. If someone asked why I'm not working on their request, I can go to my notes immediately. That usually gets the road block moved for me. There's a psychological reward in seeing that *massive* \"Done\" column, compared to just a few open tasks. I've found that managers *love* that, as they can go to other managers and brag about how much we are churning out.","human_ref_B":"OneNote saves my ass on a regular basis","labels":1,"seconds_difference":294.0,"score_ratio":3.6} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9gnzs","c_root_id_B":"gu9c709","created_at_utc_A":1618240688,"created_at_utc_B":1618238651,"score_A":18,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Trello is super easy to use. It\u2019s an online platform that lets you organise your workspace into cards, lists and checklists. You can add due dates, attachments, descriptions - anything! If your colleagues\/team members also use the platform, you can tag them\/leave comments for them. These notifications are then emailed to you, and you can easily open the card from the email. I love it because it is easy to track your progress and projects as well as to communicate.","human_ref_B":"Lots of good suggestions. Another thing you can try is asking people who are sending you requests to unify or limit how they send those. For example, I'll often IM one of the customer service reps on our team with a question about an order. Sometimes, they have the answer and can clarify immediately, sometimes they have to dig into their emails or just reach out to the customer for clarification. Often times, they'll say \"Yeah, I'll take a look at this. Can you shoot me an email so I remember to do it?\" That way, you can flag it in Outlook or Gmail or whatever, and you can have most of your tasks in one place. This isn't a universal solution, I probably wouldn't make this ask of an exec or senior manager if they called me directly; in that case, I'd write it down myself, assuming that they're quite busy. If you deal with folks in production, they might not have access to email or use it regularly enough for that to be reasonable. But for a lot of people, this should be a small lift, especially since you're telling them that it'll help ensure they get what they need from you.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2037.0,"score_ratio":3.6} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9gnzs","c_root_id_B":"gu9efkc","created_at_utc_A":1618240688,"created_at_utc_B":1618239678,"score_A":18,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Trello is super easy to use. It\u2019s an online platform that lets you organise your workspace into cards, lists and checklists. You can add due dates, attachments, descriptions - anything! If your colleagues\/team members also use the platform, you can tag them\/leave comments for them. These notifications are then emailed to you, and you can easily open the card from the email. I love it because it is easy to track your progress and projects as well as to communicate.","human_ref_B":"Todoist app","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1010.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9gnzs","c_root_id_B":"gu9epdy","created_at_utc_A":1618240688,"created_at_utc_B":1618239802,"score_A":18,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Trello is super easy to use. It\u2019s an online platform that lets you organise your workspace into cards, lists and checklists. You can add due dates, attachments, descriptions - anything! If your colleagues\/team members also use the platform, you can tag them\/leave comments for them. These notifications are then emailed to you, and you can easily open the card from the email. I love it because it is easy to track your progress and projects as well as to communicate.","human_ref_B":"Although there are some techniques you can (and should) employ to get things done more effectively I would caution that it sounds like the only backstop on how much you get assigned is however much you can reasonably get done + some extra. If you make yourself more effective you might find yourself just getting more stuff dumped on you until you're overloaded again. This is not sustainable for a career. Part of your strategy needs to be being honest with yourself about what you can reasonably accomplish and be direct with your supervisor(s) and coworkers when someone is expecting you to do more than this and that other things will suffer. It's super easy to tell someone else to do something, that doesn't mean it's actually possible for them to get that (and everything else someone told them to do) done.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":886.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9fxsc","c_root_id_B":"gu9gnzs","created_at_utc_A":1618240358,"created_at_utc_B":1618240688,"score_A":6,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"If you use Office at work, then Outlook has a \"Tasks\" feature that you can share with your boss.","human_ref_B":"Trello is super easy to use. It\u2019s an online platform that lets you organise your workspace into cards, lists and checklists. You can add due dates, attachments, descriptions - anything! If your colleagues\/team members also use the platform, you can tag them\/leave comments for them. These notifications are then emailed to you, and you can easily open the card from the email. I love it because it is easy to track your progress and projects as well as to communicate.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":330.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9dl53","c_root_id_B":"gu9gnzs","created_at_utc_A":1618239290,"created_at_utc_B":1618240688,"score_A":5,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"OneNote saves my ass on a regular basis","human_ref_B":"Trello is super easy to use. It\u2019s an online platform that lets you organise your workspace into cards, lists and checklists. You can add due dates, attachments, descriptions - anything! If your colleagues\/team members also use the platform, you can tag them\/leave comments for them. These notifications are then emailed to you, and you can easily open the card from the email. I love it because it is easy to track your progress and projects as well as to communicate.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1398.0,"score_ratio":3.6} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9c709","c_root_id_B":"gu9lehq","created_at_utc_A":1618238651,"created_at_utc_B":1618242784,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Lots of good suggestions. Another thing you can try is asking people who are sending you requests to unify or limit how they send those. For example, I'll often IM one of the customer service reps on our team with a question about an order. Sometimes, they have the answer and can clarify immediately, sometimes they have to dig into their emails or just reach out to the customer for clarification. Often times, they'll say \"Yeah, I'll take a look at this. Can you shoot me an email so I remember to do it?\" That way, you can flag it in Outlook or Gmail or whatever, and you can have most of your tasks in one place. This isn't a universal solution, I probably wouldn't make this ask of an exec or senior manager if they called me directly; in that case, I'd write it down myself, assuming that they're quite busy. If you deal with folks in production, they might not have access to email or use it regularly enough for that to be reasonable. But for a lot of people, this should be a small lift, especially since you're telling them that it'll help ensure they get what they need from you.","human_ref_B":"I use OneNote in a shared folder that my PM started for his team. That way we can all have our own tabs and pages for each week so he can see who might need help. This will come in handy when I go into labor (can be anytime now) that way I won't have to get anyone up to speed on where I am at and what is left. They would be able to just look at my to-do list in OneNote and pick up from there.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4133.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9lehq","c_root_id_B":"gu9efkc","created_at_utc_A":1618242784,"created_at_utc_B":1618239678,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I use OneNote in a shared folder that my PM started for his team. That way we can all have our own tabs and pages for each week so he can see who might need help. This will come in handy when I go into labor (can be anytime now) that way I won't have to get anyone up to speed on where I am at and what is left. They would be able to just look at my to-do list in OneNote and pick up from there.","human_ref_B":"Todoist app","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3106.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9epdy","c_root_id_B":"gu9lehq","created_at_utc_A":1618239802,"created_at_utc_B":1618242784,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Although there are some techniques you can (and should) employ to get things done more effectively I would caution that it sounds like the only backstop on how much you get assigned is however much you can reasonably get done + some extra. If you make yourself more effective you might find yourself just getting more stuff dumped on you until you're overloaded again. This is not sustainable for a career. Part of your strategy needs to be being honest with yourself about what you can reasonably accomplish and be direct with your supervisor(s) and coworkers when someone is expecting you to do more than this and that other things will suffer. It's super easy to tell someone else to do something, that doesn't mean it's actually possible for them to get that (and everything else someone told them to do) done.","human_ref_B":"I use OneNote in a shared folder that my PM started for his team. That way we can all have our own tabs and pages for each week so he can see who might need help. This will come in handy when I go into labor (can be anytime now) that way I won't have to get anyone up to speed on where I am at and what is left. They would be able to just look at my to-do list in OneNote and pick up from there.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2982.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9fxsc","c_root_id_B":"gu9lehq","created_at_utc_A":1618240358,"created_at_utc_B":1618242784,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"If you use Office at work, then Outlook has a \"Tasks\" feature that you can share with your boss.","human_ref_B":"I use OneNote in a shared folder that my PM started for his team. That way we can all have our own tabs and pages for each week so he can see who might need help. This will come in handy when I go into labor (can be anytime now) that way I won't have to get anyone up to speed on where I am at and what is left. They would be able to just look at my to-do list in OneNote and pick up from there.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2426.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9kja0","c_root_id_B":"gu9lehq","created_at_utc_A":1618242404,"created_at_utc_B":1618242784,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I keep a single spiral-bound composition book and refresh my to-do list each week. All my meeting notes, sketches, etc. go into that book, and each entry gets a date. Being able to flip back to a certain day has saved me many times. When I reach the end of the book it goes in the bottom drawer of my desk and I grab a new one.","human_ref_B":"I use OneNote in a shared folder that my PM started for his team. That way we can all have our own tabs and pages for each week so he can see who might need help. This will come in handy when I go into labor (can be anytime now) that way I won't have to get anyone up to speed on where I am at and what is left. They would be able to just look at my to-do list in OneNote and pick up from there.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":380.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9lehq","c_root_id_B":"gu9dl53","created_at_utc_A":1618242784,"created_at_utc_B":1618239290,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I use OneNote in a shared folder that my PM started for his team. That way we can all have our own tabs and pages for each week so he can see who might need help. This will come in handy when I go into labor (can be anytime now) that way I won't have to get anyone up to speed on where I am at and what is left. They would be able to just look at my to-do list in OneNote and pick up from there.","human_ref_B":"OneNote saves my ass on a regular basis","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3494.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9c709","c_root_id_B":"gu9efkc","created_at_utc_A":1618238651,"created_at_utc_B":1618239678,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Lots of good suggestions. Another thing you can try is asking people who are sending you requests to unify or limit how they send those. For example, I'll often IM one of the customer service reps on our team with a question about an order. Sometimes, they have the answer and can clarify immediately, sometimes they have to dig into their emails or just reach out to the customer for clarification. Often times, they'll say \"Yeah, I'll take a look at this. Can you shoot me an email so I remember to do it?\" That way, you can flag it in Outlook or Gmail or whatever, and you can have most of your tasks in one place. This isn't a universal solution, I probably wouldn't make this ask of an exec or senior manager if they called me directly; in that case, I'd write it down myself, assuming that they're quite busy. If you deal with folks in production, they might not have access to email or use it regularly enough for that to be reasonable. But for a lot of people, this should be a small lift, especially since you're telling them that it'll help ensure they get what they need from you.","human_ref_B":"Todoist app","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1027.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9c709","c_root_id_B":"gu9epdy","created_at_utc_A":1618238651,"created_at_utc_B":1618239802,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Lots of good suggestions. Another thing you can try is asking people who are sending you requests to unify or limit how they send those. For example, I'll often IM one of the customer service reps on our team with a question about an order. Sometimes, they have the answer and can clarify immediately, sometimes they have to dig into their emails or just reach out to the customer for clarification. Often times, they'll say \"Yeah, I'll take a look at this. Can you shoot me an email so I remember to do it?\" That way, you can flag it in Outlook or Gmail or whatever, and you can have most of your tasks in one place. This isn't a universal solution, I probably wouldn't make this ask of an exec or senior manager if they called me directly; in that case, I'd write it down myself, assuming that they're quite busy. If you deal with folks in production, they might not have access to email or use it regularly enough for that to be reasonable. But for a lot of people, this should be a small lift, especially since you're telling them that it'll help ensure they get what they need from you.","human_ref_B":"Although there are some techniques you can (and should) employ to get things done more effectively I would caution that it sounds like the only backstop on how much you get assigned is however much you can reasonably get done + some extra. If you make yourself more effective you might find yourself just getting more stuff dumped on you until you're overloaded again. This is not sustainable for a career. Part of your strategy needs to be being honest with yourself about what you can reasonably accomplish and be direct with your supervisor(s) and coworkers when someone is expecting you to do more than this and that other things will suffer. It's super easy to tell someone else to do something, that doesn't mean it's actually possible for them to get that (and everything else someone told them to do) done.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1151.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9fxsc","c_root_id_B":"gu9c709","created_at_utc_A":1618240358,"created_at_utc_B":1618238651,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"If you use Office at work, then Outlook has a \"Tasks\" feature that you can share with your boss.","human_ref_B":"Lots of good suggestions. Another thing you can try is asking people who are sending you requests to unify or limit how they send those. For example, I'll often IM one of the customer service reps on our team with a question about an order. Sometimes, they have the answer and can clarify immediately, sometimes they have to dig into their emails or just reach out to the customer for clarification. Often times, they'll say \"Yeah, I'll take a look at this. Can you shoot me an email so I remember to do it?\" That way, you can flag it in Outlook or Gmail or whatever, and you can have most of your tasks in one place. This isn't a universal solution, I probably wouldn't make this ask of an exec or senior manager if they called me directly; in that case, I'd write it down myself, assuming that they're quite busy. If you deal with folks in production, they might not have access to email or use it regularly enough for that to be reasonable. But for a lot of people, this should be a small lift, especially since you're telling them that it'll help ensure they get what they need from you.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1707.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9dl53","c_root_id_B":"gu9efkc","created_at_utc_A":1618239290,"created_at_utc_B":1618239678,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"OneNote saves my ass on a regular basis","human_ref_B":"Todoist app","labels":0,"seconds_difference":388.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9epdy","c_root_id_B":"gu9dl53","created_at_utc_A":1618239802,"created_at_utc_B":1618239290,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Although there are some techniques you can (and should) employ to get things done more effectively I would caution that it sounds like the only backstop on how much you get assigned is however much you can reasonably get done + some extra. If you make yourself more effective you might find yourself just getting more stuff dumped on you until you're overloaded again. This is not sustainable for a career. Part of your strategy needs to be being honest with yourself about what you can reasonably accomplish and be direct with your supervisor(s) and coworkers when someone is expecting you to do more than this and that other things will suffer. It's super easy to tell someone else to do something, that doesn't mean it's actually possible for them to get that (and everything else someone told them to do) done.","human_ref_B":"OneNote saves my ass on a regular basis","labels":1,"seconds_difference":512.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"mpdzfl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Engineers who are on top of things, how do you keep track of and continue succeeding on a growing list of tasks that comes through multiple channels? Throughout any given day I may receive 0 to 3 tasks via phone, email, IM, and conversation each and typically they can't all be completed in time for the next day. I'm having trouble tracking anything that I've made progress on or am yet to make progress on when the the next day comes around. Do you have any tips to help me be more effective?","c_root_id_A":"gu9dl53","c_root_id_B":"gu9fxsc","created_at_utc_A":1618239290,"created_at_utc_B":1618240358,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"OneNote saves my ass on a regular basis","human_ref_B":"If you use Office at work, then Outlook has a \"Tasks\" feature that you can share with your boss.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1068.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"9tdtli","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"UPDATE - Young Female Engineer Dealing with Misogynistic Clients Hello again all! After receiving some incredible advice (and a couple snarky comments), I sat down and talked with my boss about some of the issues I've been dealing with regarding clients and their interactions with me. For one of the clients I specifically mentioned, he wasn't surprised with the actions of the client (i.e. the client somewhat regularly calls people pet names like sunshine), but said he would discuss what is and is not appropriate with them. I don't have any issues with confrontation, and if the client continues to behave inappropriately I feel as if I have the tools and resources necessary to talk to him myself now! Something I didn't mention last time is that my boss has known me since I was an intern (his first intern ever) and thinks highly of my capabilities and would absolutely do what it takes to make sure the office is a comfortable place to be. During our meeting I also discussed some of the other workplace stressors and hindrances that will soon be resolved! I feel so much better after talking to him, thank you so much r\/AskEngineers for all the help!! ​ Original Post: Young Female Engineer Dealing with Misogynistic Clients","c_root_id_A":"e8vl1qr","c_root_id_B":"e8vkuwt","created_at_utc_A":1541110561,"created_at_utc_B":1541110395,"score_A":69,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m glad things seem to be working out for you. It sounds like you have a good boss. I wanted to respond to your original post, but honestly these kinds of stories just make me angry. I needed to think about what I wanted to say, but every time I started to type something up, it just sounded like a rant from a crazy old man. There\u2019s no excuse for treating someone that way. It\u2019s hard to even buy the old excuse of ignorance.","human_ref_B":"Very good to hear. Don't hesitate to report to him again if things aren't notably improving within a month.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":166.0,"score_ratio":2.3793103448} +{"post_id":"9tdtli","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"UPDATE - Young Female Engineer Dealing with Misogynistic Clients Hello again all! After receiving some incredible advice (and a couple snarky comments), I sat down and talked with my boss about some of the issues I've been dealing with regarding clients and their interactions with me. For one of the clients I specifically mentioned, he wasn't surprised with the actions of the client (i.e. the client somewhat regularly calls people pet names like sunshine), but said he would discuss what is and is not appropriate with them. I don't have any issues with confrontation, and if the client continues to behave inappropriately I feel as if I have the tools and resources necessary to talk to him myself now! Something I didn't mention last time is that my boss has known me since I was an intern (his first intern ever) and thinks highly of my capabilities and would absolutely do what it takes to make sure the office is a comfortable place to be. During our meeting I also discussed some of the other workplace stressors and hindrances that will soon be resolved! I feel so much better after talking to him, thank you so much r\/AskEngineers for all the help!! ​ Original Post: Young Female Engineer Dealing with Misogynistic Clients","c_root_id_A":"e8vkzwg","c_root_id_B":"e8vl1qr","created_at_utc_A":1541110516,"created_at_utc_B":1541110561,"score_A":13,"score_B":69,"human_ref_A":"Great to hear, its a nice feeling when your boss has your back!","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m glad things seem to be working out for you. It sounds like you have a good boss. I wanted to respond to your original post, but honestly these kinds of stories just make me angry. I needed to think about what I wanted to say, but every time I started to type something up, it just sounded like a rant from a crazy old man. There\u2019s no excuse for treating someone that way. It\u2019s hard to even buy the old excuse of ignorance.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":45.0,"score_ratio":5.3076923077} +{"post_id":"9tdtli","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"UPDATE - Young Female Engineer Dealing with Misogynistic Clients Hello again all! After receiving some incredible advice (and a couple snarky comments), I sat down and talked with my boss about some of the issues I've been dealing with regarding clients and their interactions with me. For one of the clients I specifically mentioned, he wasn't surprised with the actions of the client (i.e. the client somewhat regularly calls people pet names like sunshine), but said he would discuss what is and is not appropriate with them. I don't have any issues with confrontation, and if the client continues to behave inappropriately I feel as if I have the tools and resources necessary to talk to him myself now! Something I didn't mention last time is that my boss has known me since I was an intern (his first intern ever) and thinks highly of my capabilities and would absolutely do what it takes to make sure the office is a comfortable place to be. During our meeting I also discussed some of the other workplace stressors and hindrances that will soon be resolved! I feel so much better after talking to him, thank you so much r\/AskEngineers for all the help!! ​ Original Post: Young Female Engineer Dealing with Misogynistic Clients","c_root_id_A":"e8vouc4","c_root_id_B":"e8vt75x","created_at_utc_A":1541113952,"created_at_utc_B":1541117946,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Thanks for update.","human_ref_B":"Awesome!! Glad it turned okay","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3994.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr6lzme","c_root_id_B":"gr6i8in","created_at_utc_A":1615939527,"created_at_utc_B":1615937564,"score_A":249,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"Its a bit of both. I'm in the same job struggle. I'm used to just searching job types and salaries now to determine what my worth would be for a given job. The issue I am seeing is that companies are having 0-3 years experience jobs getting applications from people with 5+ years because they need the work. So it behooves the company to take the same job, increase the minimum experience, and keep the same pay. They still get a role filled for a lower cost, but gain a worker that has the experience. I say this as a fresh grad with limited experience getting beat out in multiple 2nd interviews with the HR manager telling me it was only experience difference. So take my experience\/opinion with a grain of salt.","human_ref_B":"My rates have gone up, not down. I cant speak for others.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1963.0,"score_ratio":8.3} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr6lzme","c_root_id_B":"gr6jswi","created_at_utc_A":1615939527,"created_at_utc_B":1615938382,"score_A":249,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Its a bit of both. I'm in the same job struggle. I'm used to just searching job types and salaries now to determine what my worth would be for a given job. The issue I am seeing is that companies are having 0-3 years experience jobs getting applications from people with 5+ years because they need the work. So it behooves the company to take the same job, increase the minimum experience, and keep the same pay. They still get a role filled for a lower cost, but gain a worker that has the experience. I say this as a fresh grad with limited experience getting beat out in multiple 2nd interviews with the HR manager telling me it was only experience difference. So take my experience\/opinion with a grain of salt.","human_ref_B":"Probably a little of both. Honestly, depending on where you are in Florida, I imagine 70K to be around the median for a process engineer with 5 years experience. That would be in line, maybe a little low for the national average. I think it is not uncommon for those roles to be filled by a technical degree instead of a standard mechanical engineer or manufacturing engineer, which would equate to less pay. Personally when a job posts salaries I think they tend to pay less, and I also believe most companies looking for 5-10 years of experience will take someone with 2! Salary is always negotiable. If you like the job it is always worth applying interviewing and then negotiating what you think you are worth.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1145.0,"score_ratio":15.5625} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr71b7e","c_root_id_B":"gr6i8in","created_at_utc_A":1615947660,"created_at_utc_B":1615937564,"score_A":81,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"Yeah its weird out there now. There are many companies who are hurting, no doubt about that, but then a few industries are balls-to-the-wall busy. And even those who are indeed busy and trying to hire people, they are still using the excuse that the economy overall is down to lowball offers. One thing to do is still apply to jobs that are offering at least reasonable pay but then negotiate up from there. You're obviously not going to go from $50k to $100k, but for the right candidate they might be willing to go from an advertised $80k to offering 90k or something similar.","human_ref_B":"My rates have gone up, not down. I cant speak for others.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10096.0,"score_ratio":2.7} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr6uekk","c_root_id_B":"gr71b7e","created_at_utc_A":1615943968,"created_at_utc_B":1615947660,"score_A":29,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"Same thing happened after 08 supply of work exceeds demand","human_ref_B":"Yeah its weird out there now. There are many companies who are hurting, no doubt about that, but then a few industries are balls-to-the-wall busy. And even those who are indeed busy and trying to hire people, they are still using the excuse that the economy overall is down to lowball offers. One thing to do is still apply to jobs that are offering at least reasonable pay but then negotiate up from there. You're obviously not going to go from $50k to $100k, but for the right candidate they might be willing to go from an advertised $80k to offering 90k or something similar.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3692.0,"score_ratio":2.7931034483} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr6jswi","c_root_id_B":"gr71b7e","created_at_utc_A":1615938382,"created_at_utc_B":1615947660,"score_A":16,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"Probably a little of both. Honestly, depending on where you are in Florida, I imagine 70K to be around the median for a process engineer with 5 years experience. That would be in line, maybe a little low for the national average. I think it is not uncommon for those roles to be filled by a technical degree instead of a standard mechanical engineer or manufacturing engineer, which would equate to less pay. Personally when a job posts salaries I think they tend to pay less, and I also believe most companies looking for 5-10 years of experience will take someone with 2! Salary is always negotiable. If you like the job it is always worth applying interviewing and then negotiating what you think you are worth.","human_ref_B":"Yeah its weird out there now. There are many companies who are hurting, no doubt about that, but then a few industries are balls-to-the-wall busy. And even those who are indeed busy and trying to hire people, they are still using the excuse that the economy overall is down to lowball offers. One thing to do is still apply to jobs that are offering at least reasonable pay but then negotiate up from there. You're obviously not going to go from $50k to $100k, but for the right candidate they might be willing to go from an advertised $80k to offering 90k or something similar.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9278.0,"score_ratio":5.0625} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr71b7e","c_root_id_B":"gr6wdqf","created_at_utc_A":1615947660,"created_at_utc_B":1615945030,"score_A":81,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Yeah its weird out there now. There are many companies who are hurting, no doubt about that, but then a few industries are balls-to-the-wall busy. And even those who are indeed busy and trying to hire people, they are still using the excuse that the economy overall is down to lowball offers. One thing to do is still apply to jobs that are offering at least reasonable pay but then negotiate up from there. You're obviously not going to go from $50k to $100k, but for the right candidate they might be willing to go from an advertised $80k to offering 90k or something similar.","human_ref_B":"I was recently looking\/interviewing and thought Florida was horribly paying","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2630.0,"score_ratio":9.0} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr6i8in","c_root_id_B":"gr72lqp","created_at_utc_A":1615937564,"created_at_utc_B":1615948371,"score_A":30,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"My rates have gone up, not down. I cant speak for others.","human_ref_B":"FL is a low pay state","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10807.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr6uekk","c_root_id_B":"gr72lqp","created_at_utc_A":1615943968,"created_at_utc_B":1615948371,"score_A":29,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"Same thing happened after 08 supply of work exceeds demand","human_ref_B":"FL is a low pay state","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4403.0,"score_ratio":1.2413793103} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr72lqp","c_root_id_B":"gr6jswi","created_at_utc_A":1615948371,"created_at_utc_B":1615938382,"score_A":36,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"FL is a low pay state","human_ref_B":"Probably a little of both. Honestly, depending on where you are in Florida, I imagine 70K to be around the median for a process engineer with 5 years experience. That would be in line, maybe a little low for the national average. I think it is not uncommon for those roles to be filled by a technical degree instead of a standard mechanical engineer or manufacturing engineer, which would equate to less pay. Personally when a job posts salaries I think they tend to pay less, and I also believe most companies looking for 5-10 years of experience will take someone with 2! Salary is always negotiable. If you like the job it is always worth applying interviewing and then negotiating what you think you are worth.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9989.0,"score_ratio":2.25} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr72lqp","c_root_id_B":"gr6wdqf","created_at_utc_A":1615948371,"created_at_utc_B":1615945030,"score_A":36,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"FL is a low pay state","human_ref_B":"I was recently looking\/interviewing and thought Florida was horribly paying","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3341.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr7bojz","c_root_id_B":"gr6uekk","created_at_utc_A":1615953749,"created_at_utc_B":1615943968,"score_A":30,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Yep. Entry level jobs requiring 5 years of experience at least ... like come on","human_ref_B":"Same thing happened after 08 supply of work exceeds demand","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9781.0,"score_ratio":1.0344827586} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr79isc","c_root_id_B":"gr7bojz","created_at_utc_A":1615952400,"created_at_utc_B":1615953749,"score_A":23,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"I have no idea if this is broadly applicable but I've had luck with stealth mode startups (https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Stealth_startup). I don't know if these are a common thing or something you can specifically look for but as wikipedia notes they often find it hard to hire because they don't tell people what they're doing, people want to gravitate to the cool names like Tesla over mystery job at mystery company. I joined one and they asked me how much I wanted and I said the glassdoor average for the location, experience, field, etc and they just gave it to me without negotiation, I almost feel like I've accidentally lowballed it. I guess I'd just keep an eye out for any listing that looks like it might be trying to keep secret exactly what it's trying to do","human_ref_B":"Yep. Entry level jobs requiring 5 years of experience at least ... like come on","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1349.0,"score_ratio":1.3043478261} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr7bojz","c_root_id_B":"gr6jswi","created_at_utc_A":1615953749,"created_at_utc_B":1615938382,"score_A":30,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Yep. Entry level jobs requiring 5 years of experience at least ... like come on","human_ref_B":"Probably a little of both. Honestly, depending on where you are in Florida, I imagine 70K to be around the median for a process engineer with 5 years experience. That would be in line, maybe a little low for the national average. I think it is not uncommon for those roles to be filled by a technical degree instead of a standard mechanical engineer or manufacturing engineer, which would equate to less pay. Personally when a job posts salaries I think they tend to pay less, and I also believe most companies looking for 5-10 years of experience will take someone with 2! Salary is always negotiable. If you like the job it is always worth applying interviewing and then negotiating what you think you are worth.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15367.0,"score_ratio":1.875} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr78lqd","c_root_id_B":"gr7bojz","created_at_utc_A":1615951839,"created_at_utc_B":1615953749,"score_A":13,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"No matter how excellent your hard skills or soft skills are, experience will triumph. There are people with 5+ years experience or 8+ years military experience applying for your job for less than $50k\/yr. More experience, diversity quota matching and lower salary individuals win over anyone else. I'm doing the same in florida. My specialty is manufacturing design. Of the interviews I've gotten, I've been told I basically have the job, soft skills on point and resume is sharp. EVERY FUCKING TIME, the hiring manager has a meeting the week later and hires someone more experienced. Soft skills and hard skills be damned, if you have worked at a similar job for more months, you win. The hiring manager meetings have several people who don't know who you are. The people with more experience will never be unhirable assholes. I've come to the point that maybe lying on a resume is the answer.","human_ref_B":"Yep. Entry level jobs requiring 5 years of experience at least ... like come on","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1910.0,"score_ratio":2.3076923077} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr6wdqf","c_root_id_B":"gr7bojz","created_at_utc_A":1615945030,"created_at_utc_B":1615953749,"score_A":9,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"I was recently looking\/interviewing and thought Florida was horribly paying","human_ref_B":"Yep. Entry level jobs requiring 5 years of experience at least ... like come on","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8719.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr6uekk","c_root_id_B":"gr6jswi","created_at_utc_A":1615943968,"created_at_utc_B":1615938382,"score_A":29,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Same thing happened after 08 supply of work exceeds demand","human_ref_B":"Probably a little of both. Honestly, depending on where you are in Florida, I imagine 70K to be around the median for a process engineer with 5 years experience. That would be in line, maybe a little low for the national average. I think it is not uncommon for those roles to be filled by a technical degree instead of a standard mechanical engineer or manufacturing engineer, which would equate to less pay. Personally when a job posts salaries I think they tend to pay less, and I also believe most companies looking for 5-10 years of experience will take someone with 2! Salary is always negotiable. If you like the job it is always worth applying interviewing and then negotiating what you think you are worth.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5586.0,"score_ratio":1.8125} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr79isc","c_root_id_B":"gr6jswi","created_at_utc_A":1615952400,"created_at_utc_B":1615938382,"score_A":23,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"I have no idea if this is broadly applicable but I've had luck with stealth mode startups (https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Stealth_startup). I don't know if these are a common thing or something you can specifically look for but as wikipedia notes they often find it hard to hire because they don't tell people what they're doing, people want to gravitate to the cool names like Tesla over mystery job at mystery company. I joined one and they asked me how much I wanted and I said the glassdoor average for the location, experience, field, etc and they just gave it to me without negotiation, I almost feel like I've accidentally lowballed it. I guess I'd just keep an eye out for any listing that looks like it might be trying to keep secret exactly what it's trying to do","human_ref_B":"Probably a little of both. Honestly, depending on where you are in Florida, I imagine 70K to be around the median for a process engineer with 5 years experience. That would be in line, maybe a little low for the national average. I think it is not uncommon for those roles to be filled by a technical degree instead of a standard mechanical engineer or manufacturing engineer, which would equate to less pay. Personally when a job posts salaries I think they tend to pay less, and I also believe most companies looking for 5-10 years of experience will take someone with 2! Salary is always negotiable. If you like the job it is always worth applying interviewing and then negotiating what you think you are worth.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14018.0,"score_ratio":1.4375} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr78lqd","c_root_id_B":"gr79isc","created_at_utc_A":1615951839,"created_at_utc_B":1615952400,"score_A":13,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"No matter how excellent your hard skills or soft skills are, experience will triumph. There are people with 5+ years experience or 8+ years military experience applying for your job for less than $50k\/yr. More experience, diversity quota matching and lower salary individuals win over anyone else. I'm doing the same in florida. My specialty is manufacturing design. Of the interviews I've gotten, I've been told I basically have the job, soft skills on point and resume is sharp. EVERY FUCKING TIME, the hiring manager has a meeting the week later and hires someone more experienced. Soft skills and hard skills be damned, if you have worked at a similar job for more months, you win. The hiring manager meetings have several people who don't know who you are. The people with more experience will never be unhirable assholes. I've come to the point that maybe lying on a resume is the answer.","human_ref_B":"I have no idea if this is broadly applicable but I've had luck with stealth mode startups (https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Stealth_startup). I don't know if these are a common thing or something you can specifically look for but as wikipedia notes they often find it hard to hire because they don't tell people what they're doing, people want to gravitate to the cool names like Tesla over mystery job at mystery company. I joined one and they asked me how much I wanted and I said the glassdoor average for the location, experience, field, etc and they just gave it to me without negotiation, I almost feel like I've accidentally lowballed it. I guess I'd just keep an eye out for any listing that looks like it might be trying to keep secret exactly what it's trying to do","labels":0,"seconds_difference":561.0,"score_ratio":1.7692307692} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr79isc","c_root_id_B":"gr6wdqf","created_at_utc_A":1615952400,"created_at_utc_B":1615945030,"score_A":23,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I have no idea if this is broadly applicable but I've had luck with stealth mode startups (https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Stealth_startup). I don't know if these are a common thing or something you can specifically look for but as wikipedia notes they often find it hard to hire because they don't tell people what they're doing, people want to gravitate to the cool names like Tesla over mystery job at mystery company. I joined one and they asked me how much I wanted and I said the glassdoor average for the location, experience, field, etc and they just gave it to me without negotiation, I almost feel like I've accidentally lowballed it. I guess I'd just keep an eye out for any listing that looks like it might be trying to keep secret exactly what it's trying to do","human_ref_B":"I was recently looking\/interviewing and thought Florida was horribly paying","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7370.0,"score_ratio":2.5555555556} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr7kt2s","c_root_id_B":"gr6jswi","created_at_utc_A":1615960453,"created_at_utc_B":1615938382,"score_A":23,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Two things I haven't seen mentioned yet. At my company we have satalite offices in Bangalore and Kuala Lumpur. If we want to move a job out there we usually have to show that its more expensive to do it locally. So if I have a job I want to send to Bangalore I'll put out an ad looking for someone to do that job but I'll pay nothing for it. If someone applies then great we get cheap labor if not then we ship the work to India where we can get it done for 1\/5, conservatively, the cost of doing it in the US. The second is if we want too bring someone in from another country we have to prove that the job can't be done by an American at the prevailing wage for the position. So we low ball the hell out of the job posting and use the low response rate and poor interview candidates as evidence when justifying the foreign worker visa to the state department. We do this for phd, masters, and on occasion bachelor's degree roles. For a bachelor degree candidate with 5 years experience I can hire someone from Bangalore for $50k easily. And i can be relatively certain that he won't jump ship for at least 5 years or so while he works to get his green card. Mind you I don't support these practices, it's just something that I see my company doing and that I see other similar companies doing as well.","human_ref_B":"Probably a little of both. Honestly, depending on where you are in Florida, I imagine 70K to be around the median for a process engineer with 5 years experience. That would be in line, maybe a little low for the national average. I think it is not uncommon for those roles to be filled by a technical degree instead of a standard mechanical engineer or manufacturing engineer, which would equate to less pay. Personally when a job posts salaries I think they tend to pay less, and I also believe most companies looking for 5-10 years of experience will take someone with 2! Salary is always negotiable. If you like the job it is always worth applying interviewing and then negotiating what you think you are worth.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22071.0,"score_ratio":1.4375} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr7kt2s","c_root_id_B":"gr78lqd","created_at_utc_A":1615960453,"created_at_utc_B":1615951839,"score_A":23,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Two things I haven't seen mentioned yet. At my company we have satalite offices in Bangalore and Kuala Lumpur. If we want to move a job out there we usually have to show that its more expensive to do it locally. So if I have a job I want to send to Bangalore I'll put out an ad looking for someone to do that job but I'll pay nothing for it. If someone applies then great we get cheap labor if not then we ship the work to India where we can get it done for 1\/5, conservatively, the cost of doing it in the US. The second is if we want too bring someone in from another country we have to prove that the job can't be done by an American at the prevailing wage for the position. So we low ball the hell out of the job posting and use the low response rate and poor interview candidates as evidence when justifying the foreign worker visa to the state department. We do this for phd, masters, and on occasion bachelor's degree roles. For a bachelor degree candidate with 5 years experience I can hire someone from Bangalore for $50k easily. And i can be relatively certain that he won't jump ship for at least 5 years or so while he works to get his green card. Mind you I don't support these practices, it's just something that I see my company doing and that I see other similar companies doing as well.","human_ref_B":"No matter how excellent your hard skills or soft skills are, experience will triumph. There are people with 5+ years experience or 8+ years military experience applying for your job for less than $50k\/yr. More experience, diversity quota matching and lower salary individuals win over anyone else. I'm doing the same in florida. My specialty is manufacturing design. Of the interviews I've gotten, I've been told I basically have the job, soft skills on point and resume is sharp. EVERY FUCKING TIME, the hiring manager has a meeting the week later and hires someone more experienced. Soft skills and hard skills be damned, if you have worked at a similar job for more months, you win. The hiring manager meetings have several people who don't know who you are. The people with more experience will never be unhirable assholes. I've come to the point that maybe lying on a resume is the answer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8614.0,"score_ratio":1.7692307692} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr6wdqf","c_root_id_B":"gr7kt2s","created_at_utc_A":1615945030,"created_at_utc_B":1615960453,"score_A":9,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"I was recently looking\/interviewing and thought Florida was horribly paying","human_ref_B":"Two things I haven't seen mentioned yet. At my company we have satalite offices in Bangalore and Kuala Lumpur. If we want to move a job out there we usually have to show that its more expensive to do it locally. So if I have a job I want to send to Bangalore I'll put out an ad looking for someone to do that job but I'll pay nothing for it. If someone applies then great we get cheap labor if not then we ship the work to India where we can get it done for 1\/5, conservatively, the cost of doing it in the US. The second is if we want too bring someone in from another country we have to prove that the job can't be done by an American at the prevailing wage for the position. So we low ball the hell out of the job posting and use the low response rate and poor interview candidates as evidence when justifying the foreign worker visa to the state department. We do this for phd, masters, and on occasion bachelor's degree roles. For a bachelor degree candidate with 5 years experience I can hire someone from Bangalore for $50k easily. And i can be relatively certain that he won't jump ship for at least 5 years or so while he works to get his green card. Mind you I don't support these practices, it's just something that I see my company doing and that I see other similar companies doing as well.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15423.0,"score_ratio":2.5555555556} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr7i0zn","c_root_id_B":"gr6jswi","created_at_utc_A":1615958164,"created_at_utc_B":1615938382,"score_A":23,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"100+ upvotes 25 comments. Guys. Here\u2019s the real tip. It\u2019s a negotiation. If you want to pay someone $100 for an item when it\u2019s value is $200 do you offer 100?? NO!! You offer them $50. Hoping they will meet you in the middle. The demand for engineers is HIGH HIGH HIGH maybe not at your f500 companies but fuck them!! You guys all know more theoretical information that is ever will to care to know!! Likewise my first year out of my TWO YEAR TECHNICAL DEFREE (not even technically completed!!) I held out and AGGRESSIVELY ! Applied for jobs. I did not accept the first, second or even third offer. I was rejected from two companies for control engineering positions I was way under qualified for but they were*desperate for good help*. You WILL PROBABLY NOT get lucky for your first job. But solid experience and relevant industry knowledge goes so far man. Further than a degree honestly. Rather than textbook knowledge I presented myself with practical knowledge. For your resume and interview you have to be your own personal hypeman. APPPLY APPLY APPLY APPLY AND FUCKKIN APPLY TO JOBS. CALL TO FOLLOW UP. ENTERTAIN RECRUITERS OFFERS. CONTINUE TO A FIELD THEIR PHONE CALLS **EVEN IF YOU HAVE A JOB**. My first job out of almost a 2 year degree (3 years ago) I made 88,000 American dollars. On $62,000 salaried non exempt working as a field service \u2018engineer\u2019. Don\u2019t sell yourself short. If you don\u2019t have a solid linked in.. make one!! If you don\u2019t have anything valuable like a video of a capstone project to show them... make one!!! It single handidly landed me two amazing jobs! Also bring a thick ass heavy paper resume to pass out during interviews. Screw what the job posting says the salary is. Ask what you want. Know your worth. DO NOT COMPROMISE your value. TELL THEM they\u2019re being ludicrous. What do you have to lose??? I am being your hype man today. Tomorrow be your own hypeman!!! Good luck.","human_ref_B":"Probably a little of both. Honestly, depending on where you are in Florida, I imagine 70K to be around the median for a process engineer with 5 years experience. That would be in line, maybe a little low for the national average. I think it is not uncommon for those roles to be filled by a technical degree instead of a standard mechanical engineer or manufacturing engineer, which would equate to less pay. Personally when a job posts salaries I think they tend to pay less, and I also believe most companies looking for 5-10 years of experience will take someone with 2! Salary is always negotiable. If you like the job it is always worth applying interviewing and then negotiating what you think you are worth.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19782.0,"score_ratio":1.4375} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr78lqd","c_root_id_B":"gr7i0zn","created_at_utc_A":1615951839,"created_at_utc_B":1615958164,"score_A":13,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"No matter how excellent your hard skills or soft skills are, experience will triumph. There are people with 5+ years experience or 8+ years military experience applying for your job for less than $50k\/yr. More experience, diversity quota matching and lower salary individuals win over anyone else. I'm doing the same in florida. My specialty is manufacturing design. Of the interviews I've gotten, I've been told I basically have the job, soft skills on point and resume is sharp. EVERY FUCKING TIME, the hiring manager has a meeting the week later and hires someone more experienced. Soft skills and hard skills be damned, if you have worked at a similar job for more months, you win. The hiring manager meetings have several people who don't know who you are. The people with more experience will never be unhirable assholes. I've come to the point that maybe lying on a resume is the answer.","human_ref_B":"100+ upvotes 25 comments. Guys. Here\u2019s the real tip. It\u2019s a negotiation. If you want to pay someone $100 for an item when it\u2019s value is $200 do you offer 100?? NO!! You offer them $50. Hoping they will meet you in the middle. The demand for engineers is HIGH HIGH HIGH maybe not at your f500 companies but fuck them!! You guys all know more theoretical information that is ever will to care to know!! Likewise my first year out of my TWO YEAR TECHNICAL DEFREE (not even technically completed!!) I held out and AGGRESSIVELY ! Applied for jobs. I did not accept the first, second or even third offer. I was rejected from two companies for control engineering positions I was way under qualified for but they were*desperate for good help*. You WILL PROBABLY NOT get lucky for your first job. But solid experience and relevant industry knowledge goes so far man. Further than a degree honestly. Rather than textbook knowledge I presented myself with practical knowledge. For your resume and interview you have to be your own personal hypeman. APPPLY APPLY APPLY APPLY AND FUCKKIN APPLY TO JOBS. CALL TO FOLLOW UP. ENTERTAIN RECRUITERS OFFERS. CONTINUE TO A FIELD THEIR PHONE CALLS **EVEN IF YOU HAVE A JOB**. My first job out of almost a 2 year degree (3 years ago) I made 88,000 American dollars. On $62,000 salaried non exempt working as a field service \u2018engineer\u2019. Don\u2019t sell yourself short. If you don\u2019t have a solid linked in.. make one!! If you don\u2019t have anything valuable like a video of a capstone project to show them... make one!!! It single handidly landed me two amazing jobs! Also bring a thick ass heavy paper resume to pass out during interviews. Screw what the job posting says the salary is. Ask what you want. Know your worth. DO NOT COMPROMISE your value. TELL THEM they\u2019re being ludicrous. What do you have to lose??? I am being your hype man today. Tomorrow be your own hypeman!!! Good luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6325.0,"score_ratio":1.7692307692} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr6wdqf","c_root_id_B":"gr7i0zn","created_at_utc_A":1615945030,"created_at_utc_B":1615958164,"score_A":9,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"I was recently looking\/interviewing and thought Florida was horribly paying","human_ref_B":"100+ upvotes 25 comments. Guys. Here\u2019s the real tip. It\u2019s a negotiation. If you want to pay someone $100 for an item when it\u2019s value is $200 do you offer 100?? NO!! You offer them $50. Hoping they will meet you in the middle. The demand for engineers is HIGH HIGH HIGH maybe not at your f500 companies but fuck them!! You guys all know more theoretical information that is ever will to care to know!! Likewise my first year out of my TWO YEAR TECHNICAL DEFREE (not even technically completed!!) I held out and AGGRESSIVELY ! Applied for jobs. I did not accept the first, second or even third offer. I was rejected from two companies for control engineering positions I was way under qualified for but they were*desperate for good help*. You WILL PROBABLY NOT get lucky for your first job. But solid experience and relevant industry knowledge goes so far man. Further than a degree honestly. Rather than textbook knowledge I presented myself with practical knowledge. For your resume and interview you have to be your own personal hypeman. APPPLY APPLY APPLY APPLY AND FUCKKIN APPLY TO JOBS. CALL TO FOLLOW UP. ENTERTAIN RECRUITERS OFFERS. CONTINUE TO A FIELD THEIR PHONE CALLS **EVEN IF YOU HAVE A JOB**. My first job out of almost a 2 year degree (3 years ago) I made 88,000 American dollars. On $62,000 salaried non exempt working as a field service \u2018engineer\u2019. Don\u2019t sell yourself short. If you don\u2019t have a solid linked in.. make one!! If you don\u2019t have anything valuable like a video of a capstone project to show them... make one!!! It single handidly landed me two amazing jobs! Also bring a thick ass heavy paper resume to pass out during interviews. Screw what the job posting says the salary is. Ask what you want. Know your worth. DO NOT COMPROMISE your value. TELL THEM they\u2019re being ludicrous. What do you have to lose??? I am being your hype man today. Tomorrow be your own hypeman!!! Good luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13134.0,"score_ratio":2.5555555556} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr78lqd","c_root_id_B":"gr6wdqf","created_at_utc_A":1615951839,"created_at_utc_B":1615945030,"score_A":13,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"No matter how excellent your hard skills or soft skills are, experience will triumph. There are people with 5+ years experience or 8+ years military experience applying for your job for less than $50k\/yr. More experience, diversity quota matching and lower salary individuals win over anyone else. I'm doing the same in florida. My specialty is manufacturing design. Of the interviews I've gotten, I've been told I basically have the job, soft skills on point and resume is sharp. EVERY FUCKING TIME, the hiring manager has a meeting the week later and hires someone more experienced. Soft skills and hard skills be damned, if you have worked at a similar job for more months, you win. The hiring manager meetings have several people who don't know who you are. The people with more experience will never be unhirable assholes. I've come to the point that maybe lying on a resume is the answer.","human_ref_B":"I was recently looking\/interviewing and thought Florida was horribly paying","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6809.0,"score_ratio":1.4444444444} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr7z4it","c_root_id_B":"gr85zjm","created_at_utc_A":1615974518,"created_at_utc_B":1615980886,"score_A":10,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I have now seen my friends get their second job and I haven't had my first job yet. My confidence is so shot since I get the same \"You don't have enough experience.\" Currently my most recent interviews that I have had were for mid-senior to senior level engineering positions which I could not do. I don't know what the hell is going on with that not sure how a recent BS comp engineer is even qualified for those. When I got my very first interview after graduating with Google. I felt so pumped and excited for the future even if I didn't land the job I felt like I had the skills to get something. Then it just kept getting worse and worse for me. My next interview is for an IT company since I wasn't qualified for any other positions there but, they want to interview me for a field tech who drives to and helps people with troubleshooting phones and printers. I thought my degree would be worth more than 3 bucks an hour more than what I was making at Best Buy. I guess I was wrong. OR: A. I actually got an honorary degree and it is worthless. B. I was cursed by a witch or I am unlucky. C. I am on a TV show like the Truman Show. D. All the rest of you recent grads started your own companies. After it was so successful you wanted to cool off from that world and decided to begin anew with an entry level job. Right now I'm thinking it's C or D but, I am really leaning on D. ​ ^(I think I am going crazy.)","human_ref_B":"Side note (not a direct answer, but tangential)... Even when I was in school for my engineering degree, multiple professors, staff, leadership, and guest speakers throughout my college years said the same thing..... if you want to make money and advance in your career, don\u2019t plan on being an engineer forever. You will only ever get so far as a technical engineer unless you want to be some sort of SME in a very specific or specialized field, or in a research capacity perhaps. After I got my degree, I\u2019ve never worked a day as a design or technical engineer. I went straight to the project management path, and I\u2019m very thankful I did. Engineers are progressively being treated as easily replaceable, interchangeable, and consumable. Some are in higher demand than others, but it\u2019s become a commodity market, and people are so desperate they will take a job for less than the next guy in line just to get something.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6368.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr85zjm","c_root_id_B":"gr6wdqf","created_at_utc_A":1615980886,"created_at_utc_B":1615945030,"score_A":12,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Side note (not a direct answer, but tangential)... Even when I was in school for my engineering degree, multiple professors, staff, leadership, and guest speakers throughout my college years said the same thing..... if you want to make money and advance in your career, don\u2019t plan on being an engineer forever. You will only ever get so far as a technical engineer unless you want to be some sort of SME in a very specific or specialized field, or in a research capacity perhaps. After I got my degree, I\u2019ve never worked a day as a design or technical engineer. I went straight to the project management path, and I\u2019m very thankful I did. Engineers are progressively being treated as easily replaceable, interchangeable, and consumable. Some are in higher demand than others, but it\u2019s become a commodity market, and people are so desperate they will take a job for less than the next guy in line just to get something.","human_ref_B":"I was recently looking\/interviewing and thought Florida was horribly paying","labels":1,"seconds_difference":35856.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"m6m4j4","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Has anyone noticed that job postings are lowballing the hell out of the position they are hiring for? I am helping my gf look for a new job, in the process\/manufacturing engineer realm in Florida. There are almost entirely no entry level or 1-2 year experience jobs out there. And the ones that want like 5-10 years of experience have the salary at like 60-70k. Some even lower than that if they are contract hourly. Is this mainly due to pandemic or do companies always do this to positions requiring a little more experience in hopes they can pay less for someone willing?","c_root_id_A":"gr6wdqf","c_root_id_B":"gr7z4it","created_at_utc_A":1615945030,"created_at_utc_B":1615974518,"score_A":9,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I was recently looking\/interviewing and thought Florida was horribly paying","human_ref_B":"I have now seen my friends get their second job and I haven't had my first job yet. My confidence is so shot since I get the same \"You don't have enough experience.\" Currently my most recent interviews that I have had were for mid-senior to senior level engineering positions which I could not do. I don't know what the hell is going on with that not sure how a recent BS comp engineer is even qualified for those. When I got my very first interview after graduating with Google. I felt so pumped and excited for the future even if I didn't land the job I felt like I had the skills to get something. Then it just kept getting worse and worse for me. My next interview is for an IT company since I wasn't qualified for any other positions there but, they want to interview me for a field tech who drives to and helps people with troubleshooting phones and printers. I thought my degree would be worth more than 3 bucks an hour more than what I was making at Best Buy. I guess I was wrong. OR: A. I actually got an honorary degree and it is worthless. B. I was cursed by a witch or I am unlucky. C. I am on a TV show like the Truman Show. D. All the rest of you recent grads started your own companies. After it was so successful you wanted to cool off from that world and decided to begin anew with an entry level job. Right now I'm thinking it's C or D but, I am really leaning on D. ​ ^(I think I am going crazy.)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29488.0,"score_ratio":1.1111111111} +{"post_id":"t806o1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, how was your inflation raise this year? Mine was 3%. Curious who is keeping up with inflation and who is falling behind the curve (like me!)","c_root_id_A":"hzl0l0h","c_root_id_B":"hzkxzvm","created_at_utc_A":1646580036,"created_at_utc_B":1646578822,"score_A":708,"score_B":153,"human_ref_A":"We won't know for a bit but they've already threatened to eliminate raises due to company finances. Keep in mind they just had their best year ever. They're going to lose so many people","human_ref_B":"My \"merit\" raise was 3.3 %. Meaning I only took a 5.7% percent cut this year, yay!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1214.0,"score_ratio":4.6274509804} +{"post_id":"t806o1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, how was your inflation raise this year? Mine was 3%. Curious who is keeping up with inflation and who is falling behind the curve (like me!)","c_root_id_A":"hzky00l","c_root_id_B":"hzl0l0h","created_at_utc_A":1646578824,"created_at_utc_B":1646580036,"score_A":121,"score_B":708,"human_ref_A":"3.5%, but also $30k bonus.","human_ref_B":"We won't know for a bit but they've already threatened to eliminate raises due to company finances. Keep in mind they just had their best year ever. They're going to lose so many people","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1212.0,"score_ratio":5.8512396694} +{"post_id":"t806o1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, how was your inflation raise this year? Mine was 3%. 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You can sort of work anywhere and everywhere. The challenge in this is actually getting enough experience in the broad sense to be competent in this format. It requires a lot of time doing a lot of things specifically because you're so spread out. It requires working for certain types of employers that place that broad scope upon you, give you broad opportunities to work on, and allow you to gain experience in a wide array of stuff. You need to get your foot in the door and then gain the experience, so this can often be rather hard to accomplish. A jack of all trades is broadly applicable, and if you can get decent experience broadly, you are highly desirable and highly functional for a broad swath of employers. The biggest thing this rewards you with is flexibility of career. You can move about as you desire and function decently just about anywhere. I do think specialization can be an easier achievement. You can focus more specifically in college to a smaller sub set. You can be employed doing just that sub set, and you can learn a lot from both. It doesn't take a lot of time to become highly knowledgeable on one thing. It might be incredibly hard to become employed though if the market is over saturated though. But the question really becomes, what value does one path versus the other really provide? And I'm talking long term, full career kind of stuff. Does it provide a financial advantage? Does it get you into cool career opportunities that most folks are otherwise locked out of? Is that type of work fun and fulfilling? Does it provide job stability? Will you ever get bored of it or feel trapped in something that feels like a dead end? Do you want to be owner of that scope or technical expertise as an asset to others?","human_ref_B":"You can be a Jack of all trades and a master of ONE. 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None is better, just different tasks","human_ref_B":"It depends on what you want to do. If you specifically want to work with a certain tech, software, materials, process, etc. and want to be exceptionally good at that thing AND if there's a viable market space for that specialization, then yeah, specialize. Now specialization isn't uncommon. Heck, the degree itself is already a specialization to some extent because it's already tailored towards a specific market space. Generalization gives you flexibility. If you prefer to have a lot of opportunities open to you, it can help. You can sort of work anywhere and everywhere. The challenge in this is actually getting enough experience in the broad sense to be competent in this format. It requires a lot of time doing a lot of things specifically because you're so spread out. It requires working for certain types of employers that place that broad scope upon you, give you broad opportunities to work on, and allow you to gain experience in a wide array of stuff. You need to get your foot in the door and then gain the experience, so this can often be rather hard to accomplish. A jack of all trades is broadly applicable, and if you can get decent experience broadly, you are highly desirable and highly functional for a broad swath of employers. The biggest thing this rewards you with is flexibility of career. You can move about as you desire and function decently just about anywhere. I do think specialization can be an easier achievement. You can focus more specifically in college to a smaller sub set. You can be employed doing just that sub set, and you can learn a lot from both. It doesn't take a lot of time to become highly knowledgeable on one thing. It might be incredibly hard to become employed though if the market is over saturated though. But the question really becomes, what value does one path versus the other really provide? And I'm talking long term, full career kind of stuff. Does it provide a financial advantage? Does it get you into cool career opportunities that most folks are otherwise locked out of? Is that type of work fun and fulfilling? Does it provide job stability? Will you ever get bored of it or feel trapped in something that feels like a dead end? Do you want to be owner of that scope or technical expertise as an asset to others?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":186.0,"score_ratio":4.1666666667} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic78tlm","c_root_id_B":"ic78sn0","created_at_utc_A":1655126552,"created_at_utc_B":1655126538,"score_A":75,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Both are needed. None is better, just different tasks","human_ref_B":"Both are fine choices. It just depends what you want for your career. Do you want to work in industry, academia, or government? How specific is the area of specialization?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14.0,"score_ratio":18.75} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7c6d2","c_root_id_B":"ic78ga3","created_at_utc_A":1655128241,"created_at_utc_B":1655126366,"score_A":31,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"Depends what you want to do with your life. If you want a position that is relatively low stress, secure, and eventually becomes routine, you want to become and expert. If you hate yourself and your unique mix of ADD, anxiety, and depression makes it impossible to focus on one thing too long, become a jack of all trades. Both have the ability to go into business on their own and both have the ability to work into management roles if they like. Albeit the business model will look very different. I am an extreme jack of all trades.","human_ref_B":"It depends on what you want to do. If you specifically want to work with a certain tech, software, materials, process, etc. and want to be exceptionally good at that thing AND if there's a viable market space for that specialization, then yeah, specialize. Now specialization isn't uncommon. Heck, the degree itself is already a specialization to some extent because it's already tailored towards a specific market space. Generalization gives you flexibility. If you prefer to have a lot of opportunities open to you, it can help. You can sort of work anywhere and everywhere. The challenge in this is actually getting enough experience in the broad sense to be competent in this format. It requires a lot of time doing a lot of things specifically because you're so spread out. It requires working for certain types of employers that place that broad scope upon you, give you broad opportunities to work on, and allow you to gain experience in a wide array of stuff. You need to get your foot in the door and then gain the experience, so this can often be rather hard to accomplish. A jack of all trades is broadly applicable, and if you can get decent experience broadly, you are highly desirable and highly functional for a broad swath of employers. The biggest thing this rewards you with is flexibility of career. You can move about as you desire and function decently just about anywhere. I do think specialization can be an easier achievement. You can focus more specifically in college to a smaller sub set. You can be employed doing just that sub set, and you can learn a lot from both. It doesn't take a lot of time to become highly knowledgeable on one thing. It might be incredibly hard to become employed though if the market is over saturated though. But the question really becomes, what value does one path versus the other really provide? And I'm talking long term, full career kind of stuff. Does it provide a financial advantage? Does it get you into cool career opportunities that most folks are otherwise locked out of? Is that type of work fun and fulfilling? Does it provide job stability? Will you ever get bored of it or feel trapped in something that feels like a dead end? Do you want to be owner of that scope or technical expertise as an asset to others?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1875.0,"score_ratio":1.7222222222} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? 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I am an extreme jack of all trades.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1703.0,"score_ratio":7.75} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7e1a0","c_root_id_B":"ic7ia8z","created_at_utc_A":1655129141,"created_at_utc_B":1655131095,"score_A":13,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"If it helps, the full saying is \u201ca jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.\u201d It was a compliment, attributed to Shakespeare, for those who have a broad knowledge.","human_ref_B":"Define BETTER. Like... seriously, what does BETTER mean? I think Jack of All Trades are more likely to: - Be placed in lead roles - Mentor people on the \"doing\" like the project delivery vs. something deeply technical; different kind of mentoring - NOT be treated like an \"easy button\"; like \"Ohh good news, we have a SME here... he can now do our program design for us that we haven't even looked at in a week with just this 11x17 and a red pencil.\" Whereas a SME: - Probably was more likely exposed to deeper technical aspects along their career and LESS exposed to the project delivery\/doing - Mentorship interaction will be different. More mentorship to mid-level folks than junior folks. - Less likely to be placed in \"gate your project or your thing\" roles; e.g. less likely to be the \"single point of accountability\" on why something did or did not get done. People are MORE likely to say, \"Well, Jack of All Trades lead didn't do it and get staff, so the project went nowhere...\" and NOT \"Well the SME didn't organize the project, so the project went no where.\" - MIGHT be teflon... it depends on your org. See at my Org, SME's are TARGETS and NOT teflon. SME's are perceived as an easy button (I need to make a career post about it this week) that counteracts junior engineers and lack of planning As to who makes more money per hour worked, I would say it goes like this: bad jack of all trades < bad SME << good jack of all trades < good SME; with the latter sometimes being ~=. Another interesting question to ask is: Take two brand new equivalent E1's, and put them on a career path at your company. One towards a jack of all trades role, and one towards a SME role. What is the relative success chances that either gets there? My vote, SME's are VERY unlikely to be home grown. Usually they need to leave and get that experience elsewhere and come back. Whereas, a VERY effective jack of all trades can be home grown. Edit: I see a lot of people quoting the full \"often better than a master of one\" and I think it is important as well to examine the \"Jack of all trades\" portion. Being a jack of all trades literally means that you have competence in many things, recognize when you are playing outside of that competence, and seek assistance\/coordination\/etc. I think a lot of people erroneously assume that because they are not a SME, they are automatically a jack of all trades; a generalist if you will. When in fact, they may or may not have that generalist aptitude. It sucks to hear... but sometimes, if you are NOT a SME... you might also NOT be a jack of all trades. Instead, you might just be a 10 year experienced person who got 2 years of experience 5 times in the wrong things and has only progressed to competency in a few things, few aspects. That issue... our 10 year junior\/mid-level engineers having 2 years of experience 5 times and being unable to develop a deeper consistent competency, is the biggest fear I have for our new hires.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1954.0,"score_ratio":1.0769230769} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7e1a0","c_root_id_B":"ic7cbar","created_at_utc_A":1655129141,"created_at_utc_B":1655128308,"score_A":13,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"If it helps, the full saying is \u201ca jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.\u201d It was a compliment, attributed to Shakespeare, for those who have a broad knowledge.","human_ref_B":"First 10 years of my career I chose to concentrate on being an SME. Then the second ten years concentrated on being jack of all trades because I knew I wanted to be a business owner and know just enough to recruit SMEs onto the team. A group of hand picked SMEs lead by a jack of all trades will often beat the opposite. Pretty much how different positions of sports teams are specialized.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":833.0,"score_ratio":1.4444444444} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7dl39","c_root_id_B":"ic7e1a0","created_at_utc_A":1655128928,"created_at_utc_B":1655129141,"score_A":5,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Why not both? The most valuable people are those that can contribute a wide range of skills and also contribute deeper capabilities in more abstruse areas central to core competencies. It's not a mutually exclusive proposition. And it would seem to me to be terribly boring to only be one or the other.","human_ref_B":"If it helps, the full saying is \u201ca jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.\u201d It was a compliment, attributed to Shakespeare, for those who have a broad knowledge.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":213.0,"score_ratio":2.6} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7e1a0","c_root_id_B":"ic7dhyc","created_at_utc_A":1655129141,"created_at_utc_B":1655128886,"score_A":13,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"If it helps, the full saying is \u201ca jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.\u201d It was a compliment, attributed to Shakespeare, for those who have a broad knowledge.","human_ref_B":"I am a jack of all trades. It depends on you mostly, but there is one major advantage of versatility. I can (and have) go into any industry. I feel like I can pick up pretty much any task and be successful at it. I design (multiple CAD packages), run CAE analysis, build prototypes, debug equipment, manage projects, there isn't too much off limits. When you are a subject matter expert - your job pool can be fairly limited.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":255.0,"score_ratio":2.6} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic78sn0","c_root_id_B":"ic7e1a0","created_at_utc_A":1655126538,"created_at_utc_B":1655129141,"score_A":4,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Both are fine choices. It just depends what you want for your career. Do you want to work in industry, academia, or government? How specific is the area of specialization?","human_ref_B":"If it helps, the full saying is \u201ca jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.\u201d It was a compliment, attributed to Shakespeare, for those who have a broad knowledge.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2603.0,"score_ratio":3.25} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7ia8z","c_root_id_B":"ic7cbar","created_at_utc_A":1655131095,"created_at_utc_B":1655128308,"score_A":14,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Define BETTER. Like... seriously, what does BETTER mean? I think Jack of All Trades are more likely to: - Be placed in lead roles - Mentor people on the \"doing\" like the project delivery vs. something deeply technical; different kind of mentoring - NOT be treated like an \"easy button\"; like \"Ohh good news, we have a SME here... he can now do our program design for us that we haven't even looked at in a week with just this 11x17 and a red pencil.\" Whereas a SME: - Probably was more likely exposed to deeper technical aspects along their career and LESS exposed to the project delivery\/doing - Mentorship interaction will be different. More mentorship to mid-level folks than junior folks. - Less likely to be placed in \"gate your project or your thing\" roles; e.g. less likely to be the \"single point of accountability\" on why something did or did not get done. People are MORE likely to say, \"Well, Jack of All Trades lead didn't do it and get staff, so the project went nowhere...\" and NOT \"Well the SME didn't organize the project, so the project went no where.\" - MIGHT be teflon... it depends on your org. See at my Org, SME's are TARGETS and NOT teflon. SME's are perceived as an easy button (I need to make a career post about it this week) that counteracts junior engineers and lack of planning As to who makes more money per hour worked, I would say it goes like this: bad jack of all trades < bad SME << good jack of all trades < good SME; with the latter sometimes being ~=. Another interesting question to ask is: Take two brand new equivalent E1's, and put them on a career path at your company. One towards a jack of all trades role, and one towards a SME role. What is the relative success chances that either gets there? My vote, SME's are VERY unlikely to be home grown. Usually they need to leave and get that experience elsewhere and come back. Whereas, a VERY effective jack of all trades can be home grown. Edit: I see a lot of people quoting the full \"often better than a master of one\" and I think it is important as well to examine the \"Jack of all trades\" portion. Being a jack of all trades literally means that you have competence in many things, recognize when you are playing outside of that competence, and seek assistance\/coordination\/etc. I think a lot of people erroneously assume that because they are not a SME, they are automatically a jack of all trades; a generalist if you will. When in fact, they may or may not have that generalist aptitude. It sucks to hear... but sometimes, if you are NOT a SME... you might also NOT be a jack of all trades. Instead, you might just be a 10 year experienced person who got 2 years of experience 5 times in the wrong things and has only progressed to competency in a few things, few aspects. That issue... our 10 year junior\/mid-level engineers having 2 years of experience 5 times and being unable to develop a deeper consistent competency, is the biggest fear I have for our new hires.","human_ref_B":"First 10 years of my career I chose to concentrate on being an SME. Then the second ten years concentrated on being jack of all trades because I knew I wanted to be a business owner and know just enough to recruit SMEs onto the team. A group of hand picked SMEs lead by a jack of all trades will often beat the opposite. Pretty much how different positions of sports teams are specialized.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2787.0,"score_ratio":1.5555555556} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? 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I think Jack of All Trades are more likely to: - Be placed in lead roles - Mentor people on the \"doing\" like the project delivery vs. something deeply technical; different kind of mentoring - NOT be treated like an \"easy button\"; like \"Ohh good news, we have a SME here... he can now do our program design for us that we haven't even looked at in a week with just this 11x17 and a red pencil.\" Whereas a SME: - Probably was more likely exposed to deeper technical aspects along their career and LESS exposed to the project delivery\/doing - Mentorship interaction will be different. More mentorship to mid-level folks than junior folks. - Less likely to be placed in \"gate your project or your thing\" roles; e.g. less likely to be the \"single point of accountability\" on why something did or did not get done. People are MORE likely to say, \"Well, Jack of All Trades lead didn't do it and get staff, so the project went nowhere...\" and NOT \"Well the SME didn't organize the project, so the project went no where.\" - MIGHT be teflon... it depends on your org. See at my Org, SME's are TARGETS and NOT teflon. SME's are perceived as an easy button (I need to make a career post about it this week) that counteracts junior engineers and lack of planning As to who makes more money per hour worked, I would say it goes like this: bad jack of all trades < bad SME << good jack of all trades < good SME; with the latter sometimes being ~=. Another interesting question to ask is: Take two brand new equivalent E1's, and put them on a career path at your company. One towards a jack of all trades role, and one towards a SME role. What is the relative success chances that either gets there? My vote, SME's are VERY unlikely to be home grown. Usually they need to leave and get that experience elsewhere and come back. Whereas, a VERY effective jack of all trades can be home grown. Edit: I see a lot of people quoting the full \"often better than a master of one\" and I think it is important as well to examine the \"Jack of all trades\" portion. Being a jack of all trades literally means that you have competence in many things, recognize when you are playing outside of that competence, and seek assistance\/coordination\/etc. I think a lot of people erroneously assume that because they are not a SME, they are automatically a jack of all trades; a generalist if you will. When in fact, they may or may not have that generalist aptitude. It sucks to hear... but sometimes, if you are NOT a SME... you might also NOT be a jack of all trades. Instead, you might just be a 10 year experienced person who got 2 years of experience 5 times in the wrong things and has only progressed to competency in a few things, few aspects. That issue... our 10 year junior\/mid-level engineers having 2 years of experience 5 times and being unable to develop a deeper consistent competency, is the biggest fear I have for our new hires.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2167.0,"score_ratio":2.8} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7ia8z","c_root_id_B":"ic7dhyc","created_at_utc_A":1655131095,"created_at_utc_B":1655128886,"score_A":14,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Define BETTER. Like... seriously, what does BETTER mean? I think Jack of All Trades are more likely to: - Be placed in lead roles - Mentor people on the \"doing\" like the project delivery vs. something deeply technical; different kind of mentoring - NOT be treated like an \"easy button\"; like \"Ohh good news, we have a SME here... he can now do our program design for us that we haven't even looked at in a week with just this 11x17 and a red pencil.\" Whereas a SME: - Probably was more likely exposed to deeper technical aspects along their career and LESS exposed to the project delivery\/doing - Mentorship interaction will be different. More mentorship to mid-level folks than junior folks. - Less likely to be placed in \"gate your project or your thing\" roles; e.g. less likely to be the \"single point of accountability\" on why something did or did not get done. People are MORE likely to say, \"Well, Jack of All Trades lead didn't do it and get staff, so the project went nowhere...\" and NOT \"Well the SME didn't organize the project, so the project went no where.\" - MIGHT be teflon... it depends on your org. See at my Org, SME's are TARGETS and NOT teflon. SME's are perceived as an easy button (I need to make a career post about it this week) that counteracts junior engineers and lack of planning As to who makes more money per hour worked, I would say it goes like this: bad jack of all trades < bad SME << good jack of all trades < good SME; with the latter sometimes being ~=. Another interesting question to ask is: Take two brand new equivalent E1's, and put them on a career path at your company. One towards a jack of all trades role, and one towards a SME role. What is the relative success chances that either gets there? My vote, SME's are VERY unlikely to be home grown. Usually they need to leave and get that experience elsewhere and come back. Whereas, a VERY effective jack of all trades can be home grown. Edit: I see a lot of people quoting the full \"often better than a master of one\" and I think it is important as well to examine the \"Jack of all trades\" portion. Being a jack of all trades literally means that you have competence in many things, recognize when you are playing outside of that competence, and seek assistance\/coordination\/etc. I think a lot of people erroneously assume that because they are not a SME, they are automatically a jack of all trades; a generalist if you will. When in fact, they may or may not have that generalist aptitude. It sucks to hear... but sometimes, if you are NOT a SME... you might also NOT be a jack of all trades. Instead, you might just be a 10 year experienced person who got 2 years of experience 5 times in the wrong things and has only progressed to competency in a few things, few aspects. That issue... our 10 year junior\/mid-level engineers having 2 years of experience 5 times and being unable to develop a deeper consistent competency, is the biggest fear I have for our new hires.","human_ref_B":"I am a jack of all trades. It depends on you mostly, but there is one major advantage of versatility. I can (and have) go into any industry. I feel like I can pick up pretty much any task and be successful at it. I design (multiple CAD packages), run CAE analysis, build prototypes, debug equipment, manage projects, there isn't too much off limits. When you are a subject matter expert - your job pool can be fairly limited.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2209.0,"score_ratio":2.8} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7ia8z","c_root_id_B":"ic78sn0","created_at_utc_A":1655131095,"created_at_utc_B":1655126538,"score_A":14,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Define BETTER. Like... seriously, what does BETTER mean? I think Jack of All Trades are more likely to: - Be placed in lead roles - Mentor people on the \"doing\" like the project delivery vs. something deeply technical; different kind of mentoring - NOT be treated like an \"easy button\"; like \"Ohh good news, we have a SME here... he can now do our program design for us that we haven't even looked at in a week with just this 11x17 and a red pencil.\" Whereas a SME: - Probably was more likely exposed to deeper technical aspects along their career and LESS exposed to the project delivery\/doing - Mentorship interaction will be different. More mentorship to mid-level folks than junior folks. - Less likely to be placed in \"gate your project or your thing\" roles; e.g. less likely to be the \"single point of accountability\" on why something did or did not get done. People are MORE likely to say, \"Well, Jack of All Trades lead didn't do it and get staff, so the project went nowhere...\" and NOT \"Well the SME didn't organize the project, so the project went no where.\" - MIGHT be teflon... it depends on your org. See at my Org, SME's are TARGETS and NOT teflon. SME's are perceived as an easy button (I need to make a career post about it this week) that counteracts junior engineers and lack of planning As to who makes more money per hour worked, I would say it goes like this: bad jack of all trades < bad SME << good jack of all trades < good SME; with the latter sometimes being ~=. Another interesting question to ask is: Take two brand new equivalent E1's, and put them on a career path at your company. One towards a jack of all trades role, and one towards a SME role. What is the relative success chances that either gets there? My vote, SME's are VERY unlikely to be home grown. Usually they need to leave and get that experience elsewhere and come back. Whereas, a VERY effective jack of all trades can be home grown. Edit: I see a lot of people quoting the full \"often better than a master of one\" and I think it is important as well to examine the \"Jack of all trades\" portion. Being a jack of all trades literally means that you have competence in many things, recognize when you are playing outside of that competence, and seek assistance\/coordination\/etc. I think a lot of people erroneously assume that because they are not a SME, they are automatically a jack of all trades; a generalist if you will. When in fact, they may or may not have that generalist aptitude. It sucks to hear... but sometimes, if you are NOT a SME... you might also NOT be a jack of all trades. Instead, you might just be a 10 year experienced person who got 2 years of experience 5 times in the wrong things and has only progressed to competency in a few things, few aspects. That issue... our 10 year junior\/mid-level engineers having 2 years of experience 5 times and being unable to develop a deeper consistent competency, is the biggest fear I have for our new hires.","human_ref_B":"Both are fine choices. It just depends what you want for your career. Do you want to work in industry, academia, or government? How specific is the area of specialization?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4557.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7v8jh","c_root_id_B":"ic7cbar","created_at_utc_A":1655136713,"created_at_utc_B":1655128308,"score_A":11,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Everything. Everywhere. All at Once. I know a guy, used to shoot the hoops with me. He had a massive chart in his room: at the centre was his Specialty: and around were Venns of everything that was residual, emergent, or dying. He would work 8 months, then disappear somewhere with water, and study what he needed to. Jump across the circles and still gravitate around the centre one. He LOVED the centre circle stuff. Gave him goose bumps. Awareness of where it's all headed and you don't have to think along those lines. At times one feels like a SME and at times a cog. Hope that helps.","human_ref_B":"First 10 years of my career I chose to concentrate on being an SME. Then the second ten years concentrated on being jack of all trades because I knew I wanted to be a business owner and know just enough to recruit SMEs onto the team. A group of hand picked SMEs lead by a jack of all trades will often beat the opposite. Pretty much how different positions of sports teams are specialized.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8405.0,"score_ratio":1.2222222222} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7v8jh","c_root_id_B":"ic7tr6w","created_at_utc_A":1655136713,"created_at_utc_B":1655136090,"score_A":11,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Everything. Everywhere. All at Once. I know a guy, used to shoot the hoops with me. He had a massive chart in his room: at the centre was his Specialty: and around were Venns of everything that was residual, emergent, or dying. He would work 8 months, then disappear somewhere with water, and study what he needed to. Jump across the circles and still gravitate around the centre one. He LOVED the centre circle stuff. Gave him goose bumps. Awareness of where it's all headed and you don't have to think along those lines. At times one feels like a SME and at times a cog. Hope that helps.","human_ref_B":"If you want to be highly compensated and have good job security you should be jack of all trades, master of many. The best career advice I ever got was a manager who told me, \"Whatever technology you work on, make sure you become the undisputed deep skilled expert in it.\" That was probably 25 years ago and it served me well.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":623.0,"score_ratio":1.2222222222} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7v8jh","c_root_id_B":"ic7dl39","created_at_utc_A":1655136713,"created_at_utc_B":1655128928,"score_A":11,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Everything. Everywhere. All at Once. I know a guy, used to shoot the hoops with me. He had a massive chart in his room: at the centre was his Specialty: and around were Venns of everything that was residual, emergent, or dying. He would work 8 months, then disappear somewhere with water, and study what he needed to. Jump across the circles and still gravitate around the centre one. He LOVED the centre circle stuff. Gave him goose bumps. Awareness of where it's all headed and you don't have to think along those lines. At times one feels like a SME and at times a cog. Hope that helps.","human_ref_B":"Why not both? The most valuable people are those that can contribute a wide range of skills and also contribute deeper capabilities in more abstruse areas central to core competencies. It's not a mutually exclusive proposition. And it would seem to me to be terribly boring to only be one or the other.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7785.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7dhyc","c_root_id_B":"ic7v8jh","created_at_utc_A":1655128886,"created_at_utc_B":1655136713,"score_A":5,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"I am a jack of all trades. It depends on you mostly, but there is one major advantage of versatility. I can (and have) go into any industry. I feel like I can pick up pretty much any task and be successful at it. I design (multiple CAD packages), run CAE analysis, build prototypes, debug equipment, manage projects, there isn't too much off limits. When you are a subject matter expert - your job pool can be fairly limited.","human_ref_B":"Everything. Everywhere. All at Once. I know a guy, used to shoot the hoops with me. He had a massive chart in his room: at the centre was his Specialty: and around were Venns of everything that was residual, emergent, or dying. He would work 8 months, then disappear somewhere with water, and study what he needed to. Jump across the circles and still gravitate around the centre one. He LOVED the centre circle stuff. Gave him goose bumps. Awareness of where it's all headed and you don't have to think along those lines. At times one feels like a SME and at times a cog. Hope that helps.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7827.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic78sn0","c_root_id_B":"ic7v8jh","created_at_utc_A":1655126538,"created_at_utc_B":1655136713,"score_A":4,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Both are fine choices. It just depends what you want for your career. Do you want to work in industry, academia, or government? How specific is the area of specialization?","human_ref_B":"Everything. Everywhere. All at Once. I know a guy, used to shoot the hoops with me. He had a massive chart in his room: at the centre was his Specialty: and around were Venns of everything that was residual, emergent, or dying. He would work 8 months, then disappear somewhere with water, and study what he needed to. Jump across the circles and still gravitate around the centre one. He LOVED the centre circle stuff. Gave him goose bumps. Awareness of where it's all headed and you don't have to think along those lines. At times one feels like a SME and at times a cog. Hope that helps.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10175.0,"score_ratio":2.75} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7cbar","c_root_id_B":"ic78sn0","created_at_utc_A":1655128308,"created_at_utc_B":1655126538,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"First 10 years of my career I chose to concentrate on being an SME. Then the second ten years concentrated on being jack of all trades because I knew I wanted to be a business owner and know just enough to recruit SMEs onto the team. A group of hand picked SMEs lead by a jack of all trades will often beat the opposite. Pretty much how different positions of sports teams are specialized.","human_ref_B":"Both are fine choices. It just depends what you want for your career. Do you want to work in industry, academia, or government? How specific is the area of specialization?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1770.0,"score_ratio":2.25} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7tr6w","c_root_id_B":"ic7dl39","created_at_utc_A":1655136090,"created_at_utc_B":1655128928,"score_A":9,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"If you want to be highly compensated and have good job security you should be jack of all trades, master of many. The best career advice I ever got was a manager who told me, \"Whatever technology you work on, make sure you become the undisputed deep skilled expert in it.\" That was probably 25 years ago and it served me well.","human_ref_B":"Why not both? The most valuable people are those that can contribute a wide range of skills and also contribute deeper capabilities in more abstruse areas central to core competencies. It's not a mutually exclusive proposition. And it would seem to me to be terribly boring to only be one or the other.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7162.0,"score_ratio":1.8} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7tr6w","c_root_id_B":"ic7dhyc","created_at_utc_A":1655136090,"created_at_utc_B":1655128886,"score_A":9,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"If you want to be highly compensated and have good job security you should be jack of all trades, master of many. The best career advice I ever got was a manager who told me, \"Whatever technology you work on, make sure you become the undisputed deep skilled expert in it.\" That was probably 25 years ago and it served me well.","human_ref_B":"I am a jack of all trades. It depends on you mostly, but there is one major advantage of versatility. I can (and have) go into any industry. I feel like I can pick up pretty much any task and be successful at it. I design (multiple CAD packages), run CAE analysis, build prototypes, debug equipment, manage projects, there isn't too much off limits. When you are a subject matter expert - your job pool can be fairly limited.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7204.0,"score_ratio":1.8} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic78sn0","c_root_id_B":"ic7tr6w","created_at_utc_A":1655126538,"created_at_utc_B":1655136090,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Both are fine choices. It just depends what you want for your career. Do you want to work in industry, academia, or government? How specific is the area of specialization?","human_ref_B":"If you want to be highly compensated and have good job security you should be jack of all trades, master of many. The best career advice I ever got was a manager who told me, \"Whatever technology you work on, make sure you become the undisputed deep skilled expert in it.\" That was probably 25 years ago and it served me well.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9552.0,"score_ratio":2.25} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7dl39","c_root_id_B":"ic78sn0","created_at_utc_A":1655128928,"created_at_utc_B":1655126538,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Why not both? The most valuable people are those that can contribute a wide range of skills and also contribute deeper capabilities in more abstruse areas central to core competencies. It's not a mutually exclusive proposition. And it would seem to me to be terribly boring to only be one or the other.","human_ref_B":"Both are fine choices. It just depends what you want for your career. Do you want to work in industry, academia, or government? How specific is the area of specialization?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2390.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"vbbj1c","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In engineering, is it better to be a jack of all trades but master of none, or a subject matter expert? See title","c_root_id_A":"ic7dhyc","c_root_id_B":"ic78sn0","created_at_utc_A":1655128886,"created_at_utc_B":1655126538,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I am a jack of all trades. It depends on you mostly, but there is one major advantage of versatility. I can (and have) go into any industry. I feel like I can pick up pretty much any task and be successful at it. I design (multiple CAD packages), run CAE analysis, build prototypes, debug equipment, manage projects, there isn't too much off limits. When you are a subject matter expert - your job pool can be fairly limited.","human_ref_B":"Both are fine choices. It just depends what you want for your career. Do you want to work in industry, academia, or government? How specific is the area of specialization?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2348.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"i44reb","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Mechanical engineers have done a considerable amount of work to make cars not only more reliable, faster, and more fuel efficient, but also a whole lot safer and quieter. My question is to civil engineers: why have changes in speed limits been so hesitant to show these advances in technology?","c_root_id_A":"g0gb2fc","c_root_id_B":"g0g0mfd","created_at_utc_A":1596640514,"created_at_utc_B":1596635593,"score_A":69,"score_B":58,"human_ref_A":"The weakest link in the system is still human errors. Most drivers already drive above the speed limit, no point in giving reckless drivers more fire power.","human_ref_B":"Advances in automotive safety and reliability doesn't change the physics associated with speed in regards to horizontal and vertical geometry or the traffic capacity of existing roads. Some interstates in certain regions have 80mph, so one could argue that the speed limits have changed, but it's a function of the road geometry and level of service and requires a lot of documentation. Just because newer cars can safely go faster, doesn't mean it's safe for everyone. It's actually a theory that one of my old college professors studied - the amount of safety features a person has plays a role in how fast or reckless they're willing to drive. Hope this helps.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4921.0,"score_ratio":1.1896551724} +{"post_id":"i44reb","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Mechanical engineers have done a considerable amount of work to make cars not only more reliable, faster, and more fuel efficient, but also a whole lot safer and quieter. My question is to civil engineers: why have changes in speed limits been so hesitant to show these advances in technology?","c_root_id_A":"g0gb2fc","c_root_id_B":"g0fy0y5","created_at_utc_A":1596640514,"created_at_utc_B":1596634397,"score_A":69,"score_B":55,"human_ref_A":"The weakest link in the system is still human errors. Most drivers already drive above the speed limit, no point in giving reckless drivers more fire power.","human_ref_B":"The civil engineers don't have the final say on the speed limit. The speed limit is ultimately decided by the government, and as such groups complain that the speed limit is too high with no proof and get the speed limit reduced.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6117.0,"score_ratio":1.2545454545} +{"post_id":"i44reb","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Mechanical engineers have done a considerable amount of work to make cars not only more reliable, faster, and more fuel efficient, but also a whole lot safer and quieter. My question is to civil engineers: why have changes in speed limits been so hesitant to show these advances in technology?","c_root_id_A":"g0gb2fc","c_root_id_B":"g0fzqja","created_at_utc_A":1596640514,"created_at_utc_B":1596635185,"score_A":69,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"The weakest link in the system is still human errors. Most drivers already drive above the speed limit, no point in giving reckless drivers more fire power.","human_ref_B":"Setting speed limits is a political question, not an engineering question. In the old days - before the gas crisis - states set their own speed limits and chose what they thought was reasonable for their state. Then the gas crisis hit and speed limits got politicized when the federal government coerced the states to lower the limit to 55, and that made things more politicized. Any discussion of raising speed limits involves economic, ecological, and safety concerns. I've been lucky enough to drive the Autobahn at around 110 mph on a couple of vacations. The Germans have roads that are designed for it, mandatory vehicle inspection, and excellent driver training. I don't think most drivers in the US have the skills to drive at those sorts of speeds.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5329.0,"score_ratio":2.3} +{"post_id":"i44reb","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Mechanical engineers have done a considerable amount of work to make cars not only more reliable, faster, and more fuel efficient, but also a whole lot safer and quieter. My question is to civil engineers: why have changes in speed limits been so hesitant to show these advances in technology?","c_root_id_A":"g0gb2fc","c_root_id_B":"g0g5tbg","created_at_utc_A":1596640514,"created_at_utc_B":1596638176,"score_A":69,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"The weakest link in the system is still human errors. Most drivers already drive above the speed limit, no point in giving reckless drivers more fire power.","human_ref_B":"Ultimately, the tradeoff is traffic deaths vs speed. Speed kills and not just because the energy in a moving vehicle increases with the square of the velocity, but also because human reaction times are limited. The faster people drive, the less time they have to react.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2338.0,"score_ratio":3.2857142857} +{"post_id":"i44reb","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Mechanical engineers have done a considerable amount of work to make cars not only more reliable, faster, and more fuel efficient, but also a whole lot safer and quieter. My question is to civil engineers: why have changes in speed limits been so hesitant to show these advances in technology?","c_root_id_A":"g0gb2fc","c_root_id_B":"g0fxe2g","created_at_utc_A":1596640514,"created_at_utc_B":1596634097,"score_A":69,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"The weakest link in the system is still human errors. Most drivers already drive above the speed limit, no point in giving reckless drivers more fire power.","human_ref_B":"In Germany they want to reintroduce speedlimits on the autobahn","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6417.0,"score_ratio":6.9} +{"post_id":"i44reb","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Mechanical engineers have done a considerable amount of work to make cars not only more reliable, faster, and more fuel efficient, but also a whole lot safer and quieter. My question is to civil engineers: why have changes in speed limits been so hesitant to show these advances in technology?","c_root_id_A":"g0fy0y5","c_root_id_B":"g0g0mfd","created_at_utc_A":1596634397,"created_at_utc_B":1596635593,"score_A":55,"score_B":58,"human_ref_A":"The civil engineers don't have the final say on the speed limit. The speed limit is ultimately decided by the government, and as such groups complain that the speed limit is too high with no proof and get the speed limit reduced.","human_ref_B":"Advances in automotive safety and reliability doesn't change the physics associated with speed in regards to horizontal and vertical geometry or the traffic capacity of existing roads. Some interstates in certain regions have 80mph, so one could argue that the speed limits have changed, but it's a function of the road geometry and level of service and requires a lot of documentation. Just because newer cars can safely go faster, doesn't mean it's safe for everyone. It's actually a theory that one of my old college professors studied - the amount of safety features a person has plays a role in how fast or reckless they're willing to drive. Hope this helps.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1196.0,"score_ratio":1.0545454545} +{"post_id":"i44reb","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Mechanical engineers have done a considerable amount of work to make cars not only more reliable, faster, and more fuel efficient, but also a whole lot safer and quieter. My question is to civil engineers: why have changes in speed limits been so hesitant to show these advances in technology?","c_root_id_A":"g0fzqja","c_root_id_B":"g0g0mfd","created_at_utc_A":1596635185,"created_at_utc_B":1596635593,"score_A":30,"score_B":58,"human_ref_A":"Setting speed limits is a political question, not an engineering question. In the old days - before the gas crisis - states set their own speed limits and chose what they thought was reasonable for their state. Then the gas crisis hit and speed limits got politicized when the federal government coerced the states to lower the limit to 55, and that made things more politicized. Any discussion of raising speed limits involves economic, ecological, and safety concerns. I've been lucky enough to drive the Autobahn at around 110 mph on a couple of vacations. The Germans have roads that are designed for it, mandatory vehicle inspection, and excellent driver training. I don't think most drivers in the US have the skills to drive at those sorts of speeds.","human_ref_B":"Advances in automotive safety and reliability doesn't change the physics associated with speed in regards to horizontal and vertical geometry or the traffic capacity of existing roads. Some interstates in certain regions have 80mph, so one could argue that the speed limits have changed, but it's a function of the road geometry and level of service and requires a lot of documentation. Just because newer cars can safely go faster, doesn't mean it's safe for everyone. It's actually a theory that one of my old college professors studied - the amount of safety features a person has plays a role in how fast or reckless they're willing to drive. Hope this helps.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":408.0,"score_ratio":1.9333333333} +{"post_id":"i44reb","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Mechanical engineers have done a considerable amount of work to make cars not only more reliable, faster, and more fuel efficient, but also a whole lot safer and quieter. My question is to civil engineers: why have changes in speed limits been so hesitant to show these advances in technology?","c_root_id_A":"g0fxe2g","c_root_id_B":"g0g0mfd","created_at_utc_A":1596634097,"created_at_utc_B":1596635593,"score_A":10,"score_B":58,"human_ref_A":"In Germany they want to reintroduce speedlimits on the autobahn","human_ref_B":"Advances in automotive safety and reliability doesn't change the physics associated with speed in regards to horizontal and vertical geometry or the traffic capacity of existing roads. Some interstates in certain regions have 80mph, so one could argue that the speed limits have changed, but it's a function of the road geometry and level of service and requires a lot of documentation. Just because newer cars can safely go faster, doesn't mean it's safe for everyone. It's actually a theory that one of my old college professors studied - the amount of safety features a person has plays a role in how fast or reckless they're willing to drive. Hope this helps.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1496.0,"score_ratio":5.8} +{"post_id":"i44reb","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Mechanical engineers have done a considerable amount of work to make cars not only more reliable, faster, and more fuel efficient, but also a whole lot safer and quieter. My question is to civil engineers: why have changes in speed limits been so hesitant to show these advances in technology?","c_root_id_A":"g0fy0y5","c_root_id_B":"g0fxe2g","created_at_utc_A":1596634397,"created_at_utc_B":1596634097,"score_A":55,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"The civil engineers don't have the final say on the speed limit. The speed limit is ultimately decided by the government, and as such groups complain that the speed limit is too high with no proof and get the speed limit reduced.","human_ref_B":"In Germany they want to reintroduce speedlimits on the autobahn","labels":1,"seconds_difference":300.0,"score_ratio":5.5} +{"post_id":"i44reb","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Mechanical engineers have done a considerable amount of work to make cars not only more reliable, faster, and more fuel efficient, but also a whole lot safer and quieter. My question is to civil engineers: why have changes in speed limits been so hesitant to show these advances in technology?","c_root_id_A":"g0fxe2g","c_root_id_B":"g0fzqja","created_at_utc_A":1596634097,"created_at_utc_B":1596635185,"score_A":10,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"In Germany they want to reintroduce speedlimits on the autobahn","human_ref_B":"Setting speed limits is a political question, not an engineering question. In the old days - before the gas crisis - states set their own speed limits and chose what they thought was reasonable for their state. Then the gas crisis hit and speed limits got politicized when the federal government coerced the states to lower the limit to 55, and that made things more politicized. Any discussion of raising speed limits involves economic, ecological, and safety concerns. I've been lucky enough to drive the Autobahn at around 110 mph on a couple of vacations. The Germans have roads that are designed for it, mandatory vehicle inspection, and excellent driver training. I don't think most drivers in the US have the skills to drive at those sorts of speeds.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1088.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"i44reb","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Mechanical engineers have done a considerable amount of work to make cars not only more reliable, faster, and more fuel efficient, but also a whole lot safer and quieter. My question is to civil engineers: why have changes in speed limits been so hesitant to show these advances in technology?","c_root_id_A":"g0fxe2g","c_root_id_B":"g0g5tbg","created_at_utc_A":1596634097,"created_at_utc_B":1596638176,"score_A":10,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"In Germany they want to reintroduce speedlimits on the autobahn","human_ref_B":"Ultimately, the tradeoff is traffic deaths vs speed. Speed kills and not just because the energy in a moving vehicle increases with the square of the velocity, but also because human reaction times are limited. The faster people drive, the less time they have to react.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4079.0,"score_ratio":2.1} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnurbcf","c_root_id_B":"hnur4uu","created_at_utc_A":1639059703,"created_at_utc_B":1639059617,"score_A":422,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"There is only a labor shortage for companies with shitty values who underpay and overwork their employees.","human_ref_B":"There is a labor shortage for jobs that don\u2019t require an education such as working as a technician, working in fast food, etc","labels":1,"seconds_difference":86.0,"score_ratio":10.8205128205} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnuscug","c_root_id_B":"hnurggz","created_at_utc_A":1639060191,"created_at_utc_B":1639059771,"score_A":248,"score_B":60,"human_ref_A":"You'd have to dive into the numbers. An aggregate labor shortage nationwide doesn't mean there is one for your specific industry. Last year, the most layoffs were people in the service industry, so that is the industry that's doing the most hiring now. Also, the comparison should be relative. What was the typical number of applications for half decent jobs before the labor shortage? When I was job hunting in 2016 in civil, 300 to 500 was normal.","human_ref_B":"There is and there isn\u2019t. In the engineering world there is a shortage of experienced engineers (in the US). There is no shortage of entry level or < 5 ye. No, I don\u2019t have a source, it is anecdotal based on my current predicament. On the one hand I cannot find a qualified engineer to bring into the team. On the other hand, I help my alma matter with entry level job search and there are very few openings for a huge amount of graduating engineers.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":420.0,"score_ratio":4.1333333333} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnur4uu","c_root_id_B":"hnuscug","created_at_utc_A":1639059617,"created_at_utc_B":1639060191,"score_A":39,"score_B":248,"human_ref_A":"There is a labor shortage for jobs that don\u2019t require an education such as working as a technician, working in fast food, etc","human_ref_B":"You'd have to dive into the numbers. An aggregate labor shortage nationwide doesn't mean there is one for your specific industry. Last year, the most layoffs were people in the service industry, so that is the industry that's doing the most hiring now. Also, the comparison should be relative. What was the typical number of applications for half decent jobs before the labor shortage? When I was job hunting in 2016 in civil, 300 to 500 was normal.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":574.0,"score_ratio":6.358974359} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnurggz","c_root_id_B":"hnuuhko","created_at_utc_A":1639059771,"created_at_utc_B":1639061158,"score_A":60,"score_B":173,"human_ref_A":"There is and there isn\u2019t. In the engineering world there is a shortage of experienced engineers (in the US). There is no shortage of entry level or < 5 ye. No, I don\u2019t have a source, it is anecdotal based on my current predicament. On the one hand I cannot find a qualified engineer to bring into the team. On the other hand, I help my alma matter with entry level job search and there are very few openings for a huge amount of graduating engineers.","human_ref_B":"It\u2019s a labor shortage for experienced engineers. Us entry\/junior level engineers will be told to fuck off.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1387.0,"score_ratio":2.8833333333} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnuuhko","c_root_id_B":"hnur4uu","created_at_utc_A":1639061158,"created_at_utc_B":1639059617,"score_A":173,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"It\u2019s a labor shortage for experienced engineers. Us entry\/junior level engineers will be told to fuck off.","human_ref_B":"There is a labor shortage for jobs that don\u2019t require an education such as working as a technician, working in fast food, etc","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1541.0,"score_ratio":4.4358974359} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnvf5ji","c_root_id_B":"hnuxnu6","created_at_utc_A":1639069507,"created_at_utc_B":1639062552,"score_A":119,"score_B":69,"human_ref_A":"It all depends on the type of engineer, sector & field. Currently, the average age of city\/muni workers, in the USA, is ~55. We\u2019re going to have a \u201cdonut\u201d age gap in many industries. It happened in oil & gas not too long ago. In manufacturing, there is a high demand for skilled workers, such as welders, solderers, etc. I\u2019ve seen hiring bonuses for those skills around $5K. Retention is also a problem, but this is nothing new. Gen X & especially millennials, have moved all over the country significantly more than older gens, thus the idea of leaving a mediocre job is nothing to balk at. Add in the way employers treat + manage employees, leaving a job isn\u2019t as life changing as before if you\u2019re a skilled\/educated worker.","human_ref_B":"Labor shortage is also a marketing point used by purveyors of automation equipment. Before believing anything ask what the other party has to gain if its true.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6955.0,"score_ratio":1.7246376812} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnurggz","c_root_id_B":"hnvf5ji","created_at_utc_A":1639059771,"created_at_utc_B":1639069507,"score_A":60,"score_B":119,"human_ref_A":"There is and there isn\u2019t. In the engineering world there is a shortage of experienced engineers (in the US). There is no shortage of entry level or < 5 ye. No, I don\u2019t have a source, it is anecdotal based on my current predicament. On the one hand I cannot find a qualified engineer to bring into the team. On the other hand, I help my alma matter with entry level job search and there are very few openings for a huge amount of graduating engineers.","human_ref_B":"It all depends on the type of engineer, sector & field. Currently, the average age of city\/muni workers, in the USA, is ~55. We\u2019re going to have a \u201cdonut\u201d age gap in many industries. It happened in oil & gas not too long ago. In manufacturing, there is a high demand for skilled workers, such as welders, solderers, etc. I\u2019ve seen hiring bonuses for those skills around $5K. Retention is also a problem, but this is nothing new. Gen X & especially millennials, have moved all over the country significantly more than older gens, thus the idea of leaving a mediocre job is nothing to balk at. Add in the way employers treat + manage employees, leaving a job isn\u2019t as life changing as before if you\u2019re a skilled\/educated worker.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9736.0,"score_ratio":1.9833333333} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnvf5ji","c_root_id_B":"hnur4uu","created_at_utc_A":1639069507,"created_at_utc_B":1639059617,"score_A":119,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"It all depends on the type of engineer, sector & field. Currently, the average age of city\/muni workers, in the USA, is ~55. We\u2019re going to have a \u201cdonut\u201d age gap in many industries. It happened in oil & gas not too long ago. In manufacturing, there is a high demand for skilled workers, such as welders, solderers, etc. I\u2019ve seen hiring bonuses for those skills around $5K. Retention is also a problem, but this is nothing new. Gen X & especially millennials, have moved all over the country significantly more than older gens, thus the idea of leaving a mediocre job is nothing to balk at. Add in the way employers treat + manage employees, leaving a job isn\u2019t as life changing as before if you\u2019re a skilled\/educated worker.","human_ref_B":"There is a labor shortage for jobs that don\u2019t require an education such as working as a technician, working in fast food, etc","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9890.0,"score_ratio":3.0512820513} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnuwuqh","c_root_id_B":"hnvf5ji","created_at_utc_A":1639062199,"created_at_utc_B":1639069507,"score_A":29,"score_B":119,"human_ref_A":"There's a bunch of companies failing to retain staff but no I don't think there's a shortage in available staff. If a company complains about a labor shortage on their front door. Boycott that business, they don't care about their staff enough to treat them properly The \"people just don't want to work no more\" crowd are also the \"let's prevent millions of immigrants and refugees from comming into the country who might work lower paying jobs\" crowd and also the \" flipping burgers deserves $7 an hour\" crowd. They can be discounted out of hand.","human_ref_B":"It all depends on the type of engineer, sector & field. Currently, the average age of city\/muni workers, in the USA, is ~55. We\u2019re going to have a \u201cdonut\u201d age gap in many industries. It happened in oil & gas not too long ago. In manufacturing, there is a high demand for skilled workers, such as welders, solderers, etc. I\u2019ve seen hiring bonuses for those skills around $5K. Retention is also a problem, but this is nothing new. Gen X & especially millennials, have moved all over the country significantly more than older gens, thus the idea of leaving a mediocre job is nothing to balk at. Add in the way employers treat + manage employees, leaving a job isn\u2019t as life changing as before if you\u2019re a skilled\/educated worker.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7308.0,"score_ratio":4.1034482759} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnvf5ji","c_root_id_B":"hnuzx7l","created_at_utc_A":1639069507,"created_at_utc_B":1639063510,"score_A":119,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"It all depends on the type of engineer, sector & field. Currently, the average age of city\/muni workers, in the USA, is ~55. We\u2019re going to have a \u201cdonut\u201d age gap in many industries. It happened in oil & gas not too long ago. In manufacturing, there is a high demand for skilled workers, such as welders, solderers, etc. I\u2019ve seen hiring bonuses for those skills around $5K. Retention is also a problem, but this is nothing new. Gen X & especially millennials, have moved all over the country significantly more than older gens, thus the idea of leaving a mediocre job is nothing to balk at. Add in the way employers treat + manage employees, leaving a job isn\u2019t as life changing as before if you\u2019re a skilled\/educated worker.","human_ref_B":"It is industry specific. And it is hard to measure. But for mech, there\u2019s a surplus.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5997.0,"score_ratio":4.4074074074} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnvf5ji","c_root_id_B":"hnvce0k","created_at_utc_A":1639069507,"created_at_utc_B":1639068447,"score_A":119,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"It all depends on the type of engineer, sector & field. Currently, the average age of city\/muni workers, in the USA, is ~55. We\u2019re going to have a \u201cdonut\u201d age gap in many industries. It happened in oil & gas not too long ago. In manufacturing, there is a high demand for skilled workers, such as welders, solderers, etc. I\u2019ve seen hiring bonuses for those skills around $5K. Retention is also a problem, but this is nothing new. Gen X & especially millennials, have moved all over the country significantly more than older gens, thus the idea of leaving a mediocre job is nothing to balk at. Add in the way employers treat + manage employees, leaving a job isn\u2019t as life changing as before if you\u2019re a skilled\/educated worker.","human_ref_B":"The top two comments are correct. The only labor shortages are from employers underpaying and not respecting their employees and in the senior engineer department because of early retirements from Covid.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1060.0,"score_ratio":7.9333333333} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnurggz","c_root_id_B":"hnuxnu6","created_at_utc_A":1639059771,"created_at_utc_B":1639062552,"score_A":60,"score_B":69,"human_ref_A":"There is and there isn\u2019t. In the engineering world there is a shortage of experienced engineers (in the US). There is no shortage of entry level or < 5 ye. No, I don\u2019t have a source, it is anecdotal based on my current predicament. On the one hand I cannot find a qualified engineer to bring into the team. On the other hand, I help my alma matter with entry level job search and there are very few openings for a huge amount of graduating engineers.","human_ref_B":"Labor shortage is also a marketing point used by purveyors of automation equipment. Before believing anything ask what the other party has to gain if its true.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2781.0,"score_ratio":1.15} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnuxnu6","c_root_id_B":"hnur4uu","created_at_utc_A":1639062552,"created_at_utc_B":1639059617,"score_A":69,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"Labor shortage is also a marketing point used by purveyors of automation equipment. Before believing anything ask what the other party has to gain if its true.","human_ref_B":"There is a labor shortage for jobs that don\u2019t require an education such as working as a technician, working in fast food, etc","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2935.0,"score_ratio":1.7692307692} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnuwuqh","c_root_id_B":"hnuxnu6","created_at_utc_A":1639062199,"created_at_utc_B":1639062552,"score_A":29,"score_B":69,"human_ref_A":"There's a bunch of companies failing to retain staff but no I don't think there's a shortage in available staff. If a company complains about a labor shortage on their front door. Boycott that business, they don't care about their staff enough to treat them properly The \"people just don't want to work no more\" crowd are also the \"let's prevent millions of immigrants and refugees from comming into the country who might work lower paying jobs\" crowd and also the \" flipping burgers deserves $7 an hour\" crowd. They can be discounted out of hand.","human_ref_B":"Labor shortage is also a marketing point used by purveyors of automation equipment. Before believing anything ask what the other party has to gain if its true.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":353.0,"score_ratio":2.3793103448} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnvm43k","c_root_id_B":"hnurggz","created_at_utc_A":1639072184,"created_at_utc_B":1639059771,"score_A":67,"score_B":60,"human_ref_A":"There is only a shortage of engineers who have 2-5 yrs of experience willing to take entry level jobs. The shortage is self-induced by industry not hiring fresh college grads as entry level, and asking for ridiculously unrealistic work experience without the complementary compensation.","human_ref_B":"There is and there isn\u2019t. In the engineering world there is a shortage of experienced engineers (in the US). There is no shortage of entry level or < 5 ye. No, I don\u2019t have a source, it is anecdotal based on my current predicament. On the one hand I cannot find a qualified engineer to bring into the team. On the other hand, I help my alma matter with entry level job search and there are very few openings for a huge amount of graduating engineers.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12413.0,"score_ratio":1.1166666667} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnvm43k","c_root_id_B":"hnvlt11","created_at_utc_A":1639072184,"created_at_utc_B":1639072068,"score_A":67,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"There is only a shortage of engineers who have 2-5 yrs of experience willing to take entry level jobs. The shortage is self-induced by industry not hiring fresh college grads as entry level, and asking for ridiculously unrealistic work experience without the complementary compensation.","human_ref_B":"I'll echo the general sentiment the shortage you're hearing about is in the 5-10 year experience range and that COVID is causing this but its only part of the story. COVID has sped up the retirement of the older engineers, but I think the lack of experienced engineers to start replacing them (5-10 year range) has more to do with events like the 2009 recession and the oil crash between 2014-2015 cleaning out the new hires\/younger inexperienced engineers. When those crashes happened the new hires were first on the list to go and now the industry is paying for it with a sizable experience level gap.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":116.0,"score_ratio":1.4565217391} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnur4uu","c_root_id_B":"hnvm43k","created_at_utc_A":1639059617,"created_at_utc_B":1639072184,"score_A":39,"score_B":67,"human_ref_A":"There is a labor shortage for jobs that don\u2019t require an education such as working as a technician, working in fast food, etc","human_ref_B":"There is only a shortage of engineers who have 2-5 yrs of experience willing to take entry level jobs. The shortage is self-induced by industry not hiring fresh college grads as entry level, and asking for ridiculously unrealistic work experience without the complementary compensation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12567.0,"score_ratio":1.7179487179} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnuwuqh","c_root_id_B":"hnvm43k","created_at_utc_A":1639062199,"created_at_utc_B":1639072184,"score_A":29,"score_B":67,"human_ref_A":"There's a bunch of companies failing to retain staff but no I don't think there's a shortage in available staff. If a company complains about a labor shortage on their front door. Boycott that business, they don't care about their staff enough to treat them properly The \"people just don't want to work no more\" crowd are also the \"let's prevent millions of immigrants and refugees from comming into the country who might work lower paying jobs\" crowd and also the \" flipping burgers deserves $7 an hour\" crowd. They can be discounted out of hand.","human_ref_B":"There is only a shortage of engineers who have 2-5 yrs of experience willing to take entry level jobs. The shortage is self-induced by industry not hiring fresh college grads as entry level, and asking for ridiculously unrealistic work experience without the complementary compensation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9985.0,"score_ratio":2.3103448276} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnvm43k","c_root_id_B":"hnuzx7l","created_at_utc_A":1639072184,"created_at_utc_B":1639063510,"score_A":67,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"There is only a shortage of engineers who have 2-5 yrs of experience willing to take entry level jobs. The shortage is self-induced by industry not hiring fresh college grads as entry level, and asking for ridiculously unrealistic work experience without the complementary compensation.","human_ref_B":"It is industry specific. And it is hard to measure. But for mech, there\u2019s a surplus.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8674.0,"score_ratio":2.4814814815} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnvm43k","c_root_id_B":"hnvfdfv","created_at_utc_A":1639072184,"created_at_utc_B":1639069592,"score_A":67,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"There is only a shortage of engineers who have 2-5 yrs of experience willing to take entry level jobs. The shortage is self-induced by industry not hiring fresh college grads as entry level, and asking for ridiculously unrealistic work experience without the complementary compensation.","human_ref_B":"For specific, experienced people? Absolutely. We've had job postings up for a year with 1 or 2 bites...and when I interview them, it's clear their resume is full of lies and embellishments. I've had people who claim they are RF experts in cellular technologies and couldn't tell me what RX Sensitivity is, or why Wi-Fi speeds decrease as you move farther from the router. ​ I've had people who claim to be computer networking \"experts\" and not be able to explain what DHCP is...or what the acronym stands for. Or describe, even at a high level, the difference between UDP and TCP. Or even fundamentally understand how a computer network works, at all. Far too many people just accept every day technological accomplishments as \"magic\" and never question it, even one bit. ​ ​ Far too many \"experienced\" engineers sit in a lab and perform technician work. Someone else has written them a test plan, and written test scripts\/automation, and the person just clicks \"Go' and has no idea what they are doing, or why. ​ Even this wouldn't be terrible except most of these people show absolutely no desire to actually understand anything. They never ask questions so they would never be able to be even remotely independent. We don't need to hire a warm body, we want creative problem solvers...and yes, we pay accordingly. ​ If I have to interview one more person whose resume states \"Python Expert\" only to have them sheepishly admit in their interview that \"no, actually, I've never written python on my own, but I use the scripts someone else wrote, so isn't that the same thing?\" I might jump out the window. ​ EDIT: fixed typo","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2592.0,"score_ratio":3.35} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnvce0k","c_root_id_B":"hnvm43k","created_at_utc_A":1639068447,"created_at_utc_B":1639072184,"score_A":15,"score_B":67,"human_ref_A":"The top two comments are correct. The only labor shortages are from employers underpaying and not respecting their employees and in the senior engineer department because of early retirements from Covid.","human_ref_B":"There is only a shortage of engineers who have 2-5 yrs of experience willing to take entry level jobs. The shortage is self-induced by industry not hiring fresh college grads as entry level, and asking for ridiculously unrealistic work experience without the complementary compensation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3737.0,"score_ratio":4.4666666667} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnurggz","c_root_id_B":"hnur4uu","created_at_utc_A":1639059771,"created_at_utc_B":1639059617,"score_A":60,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"There is and there isn\u2019t. In the engineering world there is a shortage of experienced engineers (in the US). There is no shortage of entry level or < 5 ye. No, I don\u2019t have a source, it is anecdotal based on my current predicament. On the one hand I cannot find a qualified engineer to bring into the team. On the other hand, I help my alma matter with entry level job search and there are very few openings for a huge amount of graduating engineers.","human_ref_B":"There is a labor shortage for jobs that don\u2019t require an education such as working as a technician, working in fast food, etc","labels":1,"seconds_difference":154.0,"score_ratio":1.5384615385} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnvlt11","c_root_id_B":"hnur4uu","created_at_utc_A":1639072068,"created_at_utc_B":1639059617,"score_A":46,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"I'll echo the general sentiment the shortage you're hearing about is in the 5-10 year experience range and that COVID is causing this but its only part of the story. COVID has sped up the retirement of the older engineers, but I think the lack of experienced engineers to start replacing them (5-10 year range) has more to do with events like the 2009 recession and the oil crash between 2014-2015 cleaning out the new hires\/younger inexperienced engineers. When those crashes happened the new hires were first on the list to go and now the industry is paying for it with a sizable experience level gap.","human_ref_B":"There is a labor shortage for jobs that don\u2019t require an education such as working as a technician, working in fast food, etc","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12451.0,"score_ratio":1.1794871795} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnuwuqh","c_root_id_B":"hnvlt11","created_at_utc_A":1639062199,"created_at_utc_B":1639072068,"score_A":29,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"There's a bunch of companies failing to retain staff but no I don't think there's a shortage in available staff. If a company complains about a labor shortage on their front door. Boycott that business, they don't care about their staff enough to treat them properly The \"people just don't want to work no more\" crowd are also the \"let's prevent millions of immigrants and refugees from comming into the country who might work lower paying jobs\" crowd and also the \" flipping burgers deserves $7 an hour\" crowd. They can be discounted out of hand.","human_ref_B":"I'll echo the general sentiment the shortage you're hearing about is in the 5-10 year experience range and that COVID is causing this but its only part of the story. COVID has sped up the retirement of the older engineers, but I think the lack of experienced engineers to start replacing them (5-10 year range) has more to do with events like the 2009 recession and the oil crash between 2014-2015 cleaning out the new hires\/younger inexperienced engineers. When those crashes happened the new hires were first on the list to go and now the industry is paying for it with a sizable experience level gap.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9869.0,"score_ratio":1.5862068966} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnvlt11","c_root_id_B":"hnuzx7l","created_at_utc_A":1639072068,"created_at_utc_B":1639063510,"score_A":46,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"I'll echo the general sentiment the shortage you're hearing about is in the 5-10 year experience range and that COVID is causing this but its only part of the story. COVID has sped up the retirement of the older engineers, but I think the lack of experienced engineers to start replacing them (5-10 year range) has more to do with events like the 2009 recession and the oil crash between 2014-2015 cleaning out the new hires\/younger inexperienced engineers. When those crashes happened the new hires were first on the list to go and now the industry is paying for it with a sizable experience level gap.","human_ref_B":"It is industry specific. And it is hard to measure. But for mech, there\u2019s a surplus.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8558.0,"score_ratio":1.7037037037} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnvlt11","c_root_id_B":"hnvfdfv","created_at_utc_A":1639072068,"created_at_utc_B":1639069592,"score_A":46,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"I'll echo the general sentiment the shortage you're hearing about is in the 5-10 year experience range and that COVID is causing this but its only part of the story. COVID has sped up the retirement of the older engineers, but I think the lack of experienced engineers to start replacing them (5-10 year range) has more to do with events like the 2009 recession and the oil crash between 2014-2015 cleaning out the new hires\/younger inexperienced engineers. When those crashes happened the new hires were first on the list to go and now the industry is paying for it with a sizable experience level gap.","human_ref_B":"For specific, experienced people? Absolutely. We've had job postings up for a year with 1 or 2 bites...and when I interview them, it's clear their resume is full of lies and embellishments. I've had people who claim they are RF experts in cellular technologies and couldn't tell me what RX Sensitivity is, or why Wi-Fi speeds decrease as you move farther from the router. ​ I've had people who claim to be computer networking \"experts\" and not be able to explain what DHCP is...or what the acronym stands for. Or describe, even at a high level, the difference between UDP and TCP. Or even fundamentally understand how a computer network works, at all. Far too many people just accept every day technological accomplishments as \"magic\" and never question it, even one bit. ​ ​ Far too many \"experienced\" engineers sit in a lab and perform technician work. Someone else has written them a test plan, and written test scripts\/automation, and the person just clicks \"Go' and has no idea what they are doing, or why. ​ Even this wouldn't be terrible except most of these people show absolutely no desire to actually understand anything. They never ask questions so they would never be able to be even remotely independent. We don't need to hire a warm body, we want creative problem solvers...and yes, we pay accordingly. ​ If I have to interview one more person whose resume states \"Python Expert\" only to have them sheepishly admit in their interview that \"no, actually, I've never written python on my own, but I use the scripts someone else wrote, so isn't that the same thing?\" I might jump out the window. ​ EDIT: fixed typo","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2476.0,"score_ratio":2.3} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnvce0k","c_root_id_B":"hnvlt11","created_at_utc_A":1639068447,"created_at_utc_B":1639072068,"score_A":15,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"The top two comments are correct. The only labor shortages are from employers underpaying and not respecting their employees and in the senior engineer department because of early retirements from Covid.","human_ref_B":"I'll echo the general sentiment the shortage you're hearing about is in the 5-10 year experience range and that COVID is causing this but its only part of the story. COVID has sped up the retirement of the older engineers, but I think the lack of experienced engineers to start replacing them (5-10 year range) has more to do with events like the 2009 recession and the oil crash between 2014-2015 cleaning out the new hires\/younger inexperienced engineers. When those crashes happened the new hires were first on the list to go and now the industry is paying for it with a sizable experience level gap.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3621.0,"score_ratio":3.0666666667} +{"post_id":"rcijnq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is there REALLY a labor shortage? I've been hearing about how there is a labor shortage for at least 6 months now. Whether it's the news, discussions with a friend who is a technical recruiter, etc. With that I decided it might not be a bad time to send out some applications and see if I get any bites. I've probably applied to about 30 positions in the last six months and no real interest. Well the other day after applying to a position listed on Indeed I pull up my applied job to read my wife the job description and I noticed the amount of applications was listed. 160-170 TOTAL. I start scrolling through and looking at a few other jobs and every position had over 100 applicants. So is there a labor shortage? If so why are all these positions drawing 100+ applicants? I'm not really buying that there is a shortage at all.","c_root_id_A":"hnvce0k","c_root_id_B":"hnvfdfv","created_at_utc_A":1639068447,"created_at_utc_B":1639069592,"score_A":15,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"The top two comments are correct. The only labor shortages are from employers underpaying and not respecting their employees and in the senior engineer department because of early retirements from Covid.","human_ref_B":"For specific, experienced people? Absolutely. We've had job postings up for a year with 1 or 2 bites...and when I interview them, it's clear their resume is full of lies and embellishments. I've had people who claim they are RF experts in cellular technologies and couldn't tell me what RX Sensitivity is, or why Wi-Fi speeds decrease as you move farther from the router. ​ I've had people who claim to be computer networking \"experts\" and not be able to explain what DHCP is...or what the acronym stands for. Or describe, even at a high level, the difference between UDP and TCP. Or even fundamentally understand how a computer network works, at all. Far too many people just accept every day technological accomplishments as \"magic\" and never question it, even one bit. ​ ​ Far too many \"experienced\" engineers sit in a lab and perform technician work. Someone else has written them a test plan, and written test scripts\/automation, and the person just clicks \"Go' and has no idea what they are doing, or why. ​ Even this wouldn't be terrible except most of these people show absolutely no desire to actually understand anything. They never ask questions so they would never be able to be even remotely independent. We don't need to hire a warm body, we want creative problem solvers...and yes, we pay accordingly. ​ If I have to interview one more person whose resume states \"Python Expert\" only to have them sheepishly admit in their interview that \"no, actually, I've never written python on my own, but I use the scripts someone else wrote, so isn't that the same thing?\" I might jump out the window. ​ EDIT: fixed typo","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1145.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqsif7","c_root_id_B":"fzqdi7w","created_at_utc_A":1596126883,"created_at_utc_B":1596119694,"score_A":98,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"No matter where you go in engineering, know this - nobody knows anything, and it\u2019s a miracle anything gets done.","human_ref_B":"To be completely honest, I didn\u2019t see the application in what I studied during undergrad. I felt like I was going through the motion of taking classes and studying for exams just for a degree. It wasn\u2019t until I started my MS program and started working in the automotive industry that I saw how important the stuff we learn is. Just keep your eyes peeled for any opportunity to do technical design work. That is what got me excited to relearn what was taught in school so I can apply it to a real world project. I am now working in R&D as an EE doing ground up prototyping design. It\u2019s a mix of analog circuits, power electronics, photonics, and firmware.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7189.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqsif7","c_root_id_B":"fzqpgyv","created_at_utc_A":1596126883,"created_at_utc_B":1596125427,"score_A":98,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"No matter where you go in engineering, know this - nobody knows anything, and it\u2019s a miracle anything gets done.","human_ref_B":"I'm roughly half a year into my first engineering job. I still know absolutely nothing. Steady on.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1456.0,"score_ratio":4.6666666667} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqf8xh","c_root_id_B":"fzqsif7","created_at_utc_A":1596120574,"created_at_utc_B":1596126883,"score_A":11,"score_B":98,"human_ref_A":"Yes, everything will work out. Check out \"imposter syndrome\". You made it this far and you will cross the next hurdle just fine as well. Trust yourself!!!! As others have said work will be very diffrent than school with regards to what you need to know. However, and it's something I personally struggled with as well, the stress levels typically elevate as your career progresses. You didn't mention what caused your stress but if your \"triggers\" are something that you will experience in the working world (deadlines for eample). Try to be proactive on the stress relief front and find what works for you. Personally for me I have to remind my self that as an engineer (now project manager) I'm paid to solve THEIR problems, they know I didn't cause them and they trust me enough to solve them. I have to remind my self that at the end of the day all of the issues I deal with at work aren't my problem. They are the companies problem and I'm tasked with solving it.","human_ref_B":"No matter where you go in engineering, know this - nobody knows anything, and it\u2019s a miracle anything gets done.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6309.0,"score_ratio":8.9090909091} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqsif7","c_root_id_B":"fzqkhsl","created_at_utc_A":1596126883,"created_at_utc_B":1596123145,"score_A":98,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"No matter where you go in engineering, know this - nobody knows anything, and it\u2019s a miracle anything gets done.","human_ref_B":"You're not supposed to feel knowledgeable. Just be in a state of always learning and review the basics. If you learned how to learn about electrical engineering concepts that's good enough. Employment training and experience takes care of the rest.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3738.0,"score_ratio":16.3333333333} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqsif7","c_root_id_B":"fzqgyva","created_at_utc_A":1596126883,"created_at_utc_B":1596121434,"score_A":98,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"No matter where you go in engineering, know this - nobody knows anything, and it\u2019s a miracle anything gets done.","human_ref_B":"I'm an undergrad in EE and I just started working too, so we're alike. I still have this feel of \"knowing nothing at all\" but it's all a matter of finding the right employer, really. I've tried a couple of interns to just understand what would I like to do first. I now know what I like to do (...as for me, I like more office-based jobs than, let's say, maintenance jobs), but you'll need to try it first. Right now I'm attending courses to become an hse manager\/consultant (which is like... not really related to coding or hw designing positions). It's totally fine if you don't like your first job, you still have time to make the right choice. Try to find what you think you wish to do, and the knowlegde will come with time. The only advice I can give you is to be careful about job descriptions and interviews. Once you'll get called for an interview, just ask if you'll be with someone with experience to learn from him. If they're competent and decent people, they'll say yes and you'll be proficient, given time for experience of course. Hope this helps, good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5449.0,"score_ratio":19.6} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqsif7","c_root_id_B":"fzql1po","created_at_utc_A":1596126883,"created_at_utc_B":1596123417,"score_A":98,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"No matter where you go in engineering, know this - nobody knows anything, and it\u2019s a miracle anything gets done.","human_ref_B":"I'm from the same major and I completely understand you. Now I'm down to my last subject (Intro to Microelectronics), which I failed before whilst finishing all my major courses and thesis (power systems) just last June. There were a lot of times wherein the academic load requirements were too much but the learning is too minimal. For my case, I changed my perspective on \"how to learn\" right before I started my power system majors and it paid off. I became interested in lectures by doing how I enjoyed learning when I was a kid: by trivia shows. I imagined every class as a trivia show and it effectively worked for me (not all classes tho, some really require deeper understanding but it's a good starter). At first, I have the same thinking as you wherein lessons just flew by and became concerned on how it will translate to my career beyond undergrad. I learnt to convince myself that I should invest on my attitude towards learning instead of being anxious if I remember something from school or not. I want to have an attitude of being humble enough to acknowledge if I remember\/know a concept and I think it'll pay off in the long run. My wish is for you to find the way to help ease learning in engineering school. It's always been hard but I hope that you'll make it. From one future EE to another. Cheers.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3466.0,"score_ratio":19.6} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqsif7","c_root_id_B":"fzqpgb3","created_at_utc_A":1596126883,"created_at_utc_B":1596125418,"score_A":98,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"No matter where you go in engineering, know this - nobody knows anything, and it\u2019s a miracle anything gets done.","human_ref_B":"Yeah walking out of college I don\u2019t think I retained even 10% of the material I studied. I\u2019m looking to take my FE (Fundamentals of Engineering Exam) soon and Im struggling because I forgot a lot of the material. But I also have a engineering job. I don\u2019t think most engineering jobs right out of school expect you to walk in knowing everything. A lot of things are taught on the job and are perfected with practice. I feel like when you walk out of university, you should know more of how to think and attack problems rather than knowing abstract concepts and stuff.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1465.0,"score_ratio":32.6666666667} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqq4oi","c_root_id_B":"fzqsif7","created_at_utc_A":1596125745,"created_at_utc_B":1596126883,"score_A":3,"score_B":98,"human_ref_A":"It for sure can feel that way until you get experience. I found my internship gave me a lot of confidence. Granted I'm now a software developer getting a masters in artificial intelligence. In the end just keep working at school and get an internship. Never expected my path but it seems to be working.","human_ref_B":"No matter where you go in engineering, know this - nobody knows anything, and it\u2019s a miracle anything gets done.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1138.0,"score_ratio":32.6666666667} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqf8xh","c_root_id_B":"fzqpgyv","created_at_utc_A":1596120574,"created_at_utc_B":1596125427,"score_A":11,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Yes, everything will work out. Check out \"imposter syndrome\". You made it this far and you will cross the next hurdle just fine as well. Trust yourself!!!! As others have said work will be very diffrent than school with regards to what you need to know. However, and it's something I personally struggled with as well, the stress levels typically elevate as your career progresses. You didn't mention what caused your stress but if your \"triggers\" are something that you will experience in the working world (deadlines for eample). Try to be proactive on the stress relief front and find what works for you. Personally for me I have to remind my self that as an engineer (now project manager) I'm paid to solve THEIR problems, they know I didn't cause them and they trust me enough to solve them. I have to remind my self that at the end of the day all of the issues I deal with at work aren't my problem. They are the companies problem and I'm tasked with solving it.","human_ref_B":"I'm roughly half a year into my first engineering job. I still know absolutely nothing. Steady on.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4853.0,"score_ratio":1.9090909091} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqpgyv","c_root_id_B":"fzqkhsl","created_at_utc_A":1596125427,"created_at_utc_B":1596123145,"score_A":21,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I'm roughly half a year into my first engineering job. I still know absolutely nothing. Steady on.","human_ref_B":"You're not supposed to feel knowledgeable. Just be in a state of always learning and review the basics. If you learned how to learn about electrical engineering concepts that's good enough. Employment training and experience takes care of the rest.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2282.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqpgyv","c_root_id_B":"fzqgyva","created_at_utc_A":1596125427,"created_at_utc_B":1596121434,"score_A":21,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I'm roughly half a year into my first engineering job. I still know absolutely nothing. Steady on.","human_ref_B":"I'm an undergrad in EE and I just started working too, so we're alike. I still have this feel of \"knowing nothing at all\" but it's all a matter of finding the right employer, really. I've tried a couple of interns to just understand what would I like to do first. I now know what I like to do (...as for me, I like more office-based jobs than, let's say, maintenance jobs), but you'll need to try it first. Right now I'm attending courses to become an hse manager\/consultant (which is like... not really related to coding or hw designing positions). It's totally fine if you don't like your first job, you still have time to make the right choice. Try to find what you think you wish to do, and the knowlegde will come with time. The only advice I can give you is to be careful about job descriptions and interviews. Once you'll get called for an interview, just ask if you'll be with someone with experience to learn from him. If they're competent and decent people, they'll say yes and you'll be proficient, given time for experience of course. Hope this helps, good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3993.0,"score_ratio":4.2} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzql1po","c_root_id_B":"fzqpgyv","created_at_utc_A":1596123417,"created_at_utc_B":1596125427,"score_A":5,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"I'm from the same major and I completely understand you. Now I'm down to my last subject (Intro to Microelectronics), which I failed before whilst finishing all my major courses and thesis (power systems) just last June. There were a lot of times wherein the academic load requirements were too much but the learning is too minimal. For my case, I changed my perspective on \"how to learn\" right before I started my power system majors and it paid off. I became interested in lectures by doing how I enjoyed learning when I was a kid: by trivia shows. I imagined every class as a trivia show and it effectively worked for me (not all classes tho, some really require deeper understanding but it's a good starter). At first, I have the same thinking as you wherein lessons just flew by and became concerned on how it will translate to my career beyond undergrad. I learnt to convince myself that I should invest on my attitude towards learning instead of being anxious if I remember something from school or not. I want to have an attitude of being humble enough to acknowledge if I remember\/know a concept and I think it'll pay off in the long run. My wish is for you to find the way to help ease learning in engineering school. It's always been hard but I hope that you'll make it. From one future EE to another. Cheers.","human_ref_B":"I'm roughly half a year into my first engineering job. I still know absolutely nothing. Steady on.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2010.0,"score_ratio":4.2} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqpgyv","c_root_id_B":"fzqpgb3","created_at_utc_A":1596125427,"created_at_utc_B":1596125418,"score_A":21,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I'm roughly half a year into my first engineering job. I still know absolutely nothing. Steady on.","human_ref_B":"Yeah walking out of college I don\u2019t think I retained even 10% of the material I studied. I\u2019m looking to take my FE (Fundamentals of Engineering Exam) soon and Im struggling because I forgot a lot of the material. But I also have a engineering job. I don\u2019t think most engineering jobs right out of school expect you to walk in knowing everything. A lot of things are taught on the job and are perfected with practice. I feel like when you walk out of university, you should know more of how to think and attack problems rather than knowing abstract concepts and stuff.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9.0,"score_ratio":7.0} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqv3u1","c_root_id_B":"fzqkhsl","created_at_utc_A":1596128115,"created_at_utc_B":1596123145,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"That's probably because they don't teach diddly squat in college. Enough to see what various roles are like, but not really enough to do anything in any of them. Everything is super simplified in school. At least for mechanical. I learned just as much with my angle grinder in my garage as I did in school. If you really want to feel like you have some idea of what you're doing, go make some stuff on your own. Eventually someone else will not know something and ask you about it (or you'll see a problem around you or online), and you'll go, \"Huh, all you have to do is superglue a popsicle stick to a tiger's butthole while hanging a disco ball around its neck and problem solved!\" That's when you start to feel like you have some idea of what you're doing. It's perfectly normal to feel like you don't have the slightest clue what's going on when you start a new type of project you haven't done before. What matters is that you can track down those clues about what's going on and get an idea. The most memorable lessons come from failure. The only thing to watch out for is identifying when it is unsafe to do so without a bit of oversight.","human_ref_B":"You're not supposed to feel knowledgeable. Just be in a state of always learning and review the basics. If you learned how to learn about electrical engineering concepts that's good enough. Employment training and experience takes care of the rest.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4970.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqv3u1","c_root_id_B":"fzqgyva","created_at_utc_A":1596128115,"created_at_utc_B":1596121434,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"That's probably because they don't teach diddly squat in college. Enough to see what various roles are like, but not really enough to do anything in any of them. Everything is super simplified in school. At least for mechanical. I learned just as much with my angle grinder in my garage as I did in school. If you really want to feel like you have some idea of what you're doing, go make some stuff on your own. Eventually someone else will not know something and ask you about it (or you'll see a problem around you or online), and you'll go, \"Huh, all you have to do is superglue a popsicle stick to a tiger's butthole while hanging a disco ball around its neck and problem solved!\" That's when you start to feel like you have some idea of what you're doing. It's perfectly normal to feel like you don't have the slightest clue what's going on when you start a new type of project you haven't done before. What matters is that you can track down those clues about what's going on and get an idea. The most memorable lessons come from failure. The only thing to watch out for is identifying when it is unsafe to do so without a bit of oversight.","human_ref_B":"I'm an undergrad in EE and I just started working too, so we're alike. I still have this feel of \"knowing nothing at all\" but it's all a matter of finding the right employer, really. I've tried a couple of interns to just understand what would I like to do first. I now know what I like to do (...as for me, I like more office-based jobs than, let's say, maintenance jobs), but you'll need to try it first. Right now I'm attending courses to become an hse manager\/consultant (which is like... not really related to coding or hw designing positions). It's totally fine if you don't like your first job, you still have time to make the right choice. Try to find what you think you wish to do, and the knowlegde will come with time. The only advice I can give you is to be careful about job descriptions and interviews. Once you'll get called for an interview, just ask if you'll be with someone with experience to learn from him. If they're competent and decent people, they'll say yes and you'll be proficient, given time for experience of course. Hope this helps, good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6681.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqv3u1","c_root_id_B":"fzql1po","created_at_utc_A":1596128115,"created_at_utc_B":1596123417,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"That's probably because they don't teach diddly squat in college. Enough to see what various roles are like, but not really enough to do anything in any of them. Everything is super simplified in school. At least for mechanical. I learned just as much with my angle grinder in my garage as I did in school. If you really want to feel like you have some idea of what you're doing, go make some stuff on your own. Eventually someone else will not know something and ask you about it (or you'll see a problem around you or online), and you'll go, \"Huh, all you have to do is superglue a popsicle stick to a tiger's butthole while hanging a disco ball around its neck and problem solved!\" That's when you start to feel like you have some idea of what you're doing. It's perfectly normal to feel like you don't have the slightest clue what's going on when you start a new type of project you haven't done before. What matters is that you can track down those clues about what's going on and get an idea. The most memorable lessons come from failure. The only thing to watch out for is identifying when it is unsafe to do so without a bit of oversight.","human_ref_B":"I'm from the same major and I completely understand you. Now I'm down to my last subject (Intro to Microelectronics), which I failed before whilst finishing all my major courses and thesis (power systems) just last June. There were a lot of times wherein the academic load requirements were too much but the learning is too minimal. For my case, I changed my perspective on \"how to learn\" right before I started my power system majors and it paid off. I became interested in lectures by doing how I enjoyed learning when I was a kid: by trivia shows. I imagined every class as a trivia show and it effectively worked for me (not all classes tho, some really require deeper understanding but it's a good starter). At first, I have the same thinking as you wherein lessons just flew by and became concerned on how it will translate to my career beyond undergrad. I learnt to convince myself that I should invest on my attitude towards learning instead of being anxious if I remember something from school or not. I want to have an attitude of being humble enough to acknowledge if I remember\/know a concept and I think it'll pay off in the long run. My wish is for you to find the way to help ease learning in engineering school. It's always been hard but I hope that you'll make it. From one future EE to another. Cheers.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4698.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqpgb3","c_root_id_B":"fzqv3u1","created_at_utc_A":1596125418,"created_at_utc_B":1596128115,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Yeah walking out of college I don\u2019t think I retained even 10% of the material I studied. I\u2019m looking to take my FE (Fundamentals of Engineering Exam) soon and Im struggling because I forgot a lot of the material. But I also have a engineering job. I don\u2019t think most engineering jobs right out of school expect you to walk in knowing everything. A lot of things are taught on the job and are perfected with practice. I feel like when you walk out of university, you should know more of how to think and attack problems rather than knowing abstract concepts and stuff.","human_ref_B":"That's probably because they don't teach diddly squat in college. Enough to see what various roles are like, but not really enough to do anything in any of them. Everything is super simplified in school. At least for mechanical. I learned just as much with my angle grinder in my garage as I did in school. If you really want to feel like you have some idea of what you're doing, go make some stuff on your own. Eventually someone else will not know something and ask you about it (or you'll see a problem around you or online), and you'll go, \"Huh, all you have to do is superglue a popsicle stick to a tiger's butthole while hanging a disco ball around its neck and problem solved!\" That's when you start to feel like you have some idea of what you're doing. It's perfectly normal to feel like you don't have the slightest clue what's going on when you start a new type of project you haven't done before. What matters is that you can track down those clues about what's going on and get an idea. The most memorable lessons come from failure. The only thing to watch out for is identifying when it is unsafe to do so without a bit of oversight.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2697.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqv3u1","c_root_id_B":"fzqq4oi","created_at_utc_A":1596128115,"created_at_utc_B":1596125745,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"That's probably because they don't teach diddly squat in college. Enough to see what various roles are like, but not really enough to do anything in any of them. Everything is super simplified in school. At least for mechanical. I learned just as much with my angle grinder in my garage as I did in school. If you really want to feel like you have some idea of what you're doing, go make some stuff on your own. Eventually someone else will not know something and ask you about it (or you'll see a problem around you or online), and you'll go, \"Huh, all you have to do is superglue a popsicle stick to a tiger's butthole while hanging a disco ball around its neck and problem solved!\" That's when you start to feel like you have some idea of what you're doing. It's perfectly normal to feel like you don't have the slightest clue what's going on when you start a new type of project you haven't done before. What matters is that you can track down those clues about what's going on and get an idea. The most memorable lessons come from failure. The only thing to watch out for is identifying when it is unsafe to do so without a bit of oversight.","human_ref_B":"It for sure can feel that way until you get experience. I found my internship gave me a lot of confidence. Granted I'm now a software developer getting a masters in artificial intelligence. In the end just keep working at school and get an internship. Never expected my path but it seems to be working.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2370.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqtijj","c_root_id_B":"fzqv3u1","created_at_utc_A":1596127356,"created_at_utc_B":1596128115,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Everything worked out - but yeah, the feeling of knowing nothing will stick with you. Depending on the field you end up in, one of the consistent engineering problems is that everything changes and you'll never always have the answer. But that's part of the job, being able to take the right steps to figure it out.","human_ref_B":"That's probably because they don't teach diddly squat in college. Enough to see what various roles are like, but not really enough to do anything in any of them. Everything is super simplified in school. At least for mechanical. I learned just as much with my angle grinder in my garage as I did in school. If you really want to feel like you have some idea of what you're doing, go make some stuff on your own. Eventually someone else will not know something and ask you about it (or you'll see a problem around you or online), and you'll go, \"Huh, all you have to do is superglue a popsicle stick to a tiger's butthole while hanging a disco ball around its neck and problem solved!\" That's when you start to feel like you have some idea of what you're doing. It's perfectly normal to feel like you don't have the slightest clue what's going on when you start a new type of project you haven't done before. What matters is that you can track down those clues about what's going on and get an idea. The most memorable lessons come from failure. The only thing to watch out for is identifying when it is unsafe to do so without a bit of oversight.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":759.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqv3u1","c_root_id_B":"fzqtmwc","created_at_utc_A":1596128115,"created_at_utc_B":1596127413,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"That's probably because they don't teach diddly squat in college. Enough to see what various roles are like, but not really enough to do anything in any of them. Everything is super simplified in school. At least for mechanical. I learned just as much with my angle grinder in my garage as I did in school. If you really want to feel like you have some idea of what you're doing, go make some stuff on your own. Eventually someone else will not know something and ask you about it (or you'll see a problem around you or online), and you'll go, \"Huh, all you have to do is superglue a popsicle stick to a tiger's butthole while hanging a disco ball around its neck and problem solved!\" That's when you start to feel like you have some idea of what you're doing. It's perfectly normal to feel like you don't have the slightest clue what's going on when you start a new type of project you haven't done before. What matters is that you can track down those clues about what's going on and get an idea. The most memorable lessons come from failure. The only thing to watch out for is identifying when it is unsafe to do so without a bit of oversight.","human_ref_B":"I've been working as a mech engineer for almost a year now. I felt the same way when I graduated college, but don't worry! Employers are generally really understanding and they don't expect you to hit the ground running as soon as you walk in the door. Keep in mind your managers were once in your shoes too. The best thing you can do is be punctual, be curious, and show that even if you don't know something you're willing to learn it. Best of luck OP!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":702.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqkhsl","c_root_id_B":"fzqgyva","created_at_utc_A":1596123145,"created_at_utc_B":1596121434,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"You're not supposed to feel knowledgeable. Just be in a state of always learning and review the basics. If you learned how to learn about electrical engineering concepts that's good enough. Employment training and experience takes care of the rest.","human_ref_B":"I'm an undergrad in EE and I just started working too, so we're alike. I still have this feel of \"knowing nothing at all\" but it's all a matter of finding the right employer, really. I've tried a couple of interns to just understand what would I like to do first. I now know what I like to do (...as for me, I like more office-based jobs than, let's say, maintenance jobs), but you'll need to try it first. Right now I'm attending courses to become an hse manager\/consultant (which is like... not really related to coding or hw designing positions). It's totally fine if you don't like your first job, you still have time to make the right choice. Try to find what you think you wish to do, and the knowlegde will come with time. The only advice I can give you is to be careful about job descriptions and interviews. Once you'll get called for an interview, just ask if you'll be with someone with experience to learn from him. If they're competent and decent people, they'll say yes and you'll be proficient, given time for experience of course. Hope this helps, good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1711.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqpgb3","c_root_id_B":"fzqygh6","created_at_utc_A":1596125418,"created_at_utc_B":1596129614,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Yeah walking out of college I don\u2019t think I retained even 10% of the material I studied. I\u2019m looking to take my FE (Fundamentals of Engineering Exam) soon and Im struggling because I forgot a lot of the material. But I also have a engineering job. I don\u2019t think most engineering jobs right out of school expect you to walk in knowing everything. A lot of things are taught on the job and are perfected with practice. I feel like when you walk out of university, you should know more of how to think and attack problems rather than knowing abstract concepts and stuff.","human_ref_B":"Ironically that means you know more than nothing. Only a fool thinks they know it all. The first step to wisdom is to accept you know nothing. Good job!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4196.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqq4oi","c_root_id_B":"fzqygh6","created_at_utc_A":1596125745,"created_at_utc_B":1596129614,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"It for sure can feel that way until you get experience. I found my internship gave me a lot of confidence. Granted I'm now a software developer getting a masters in artificial intelligence. In the end just keep working at school and get an internship. Never expected my path but it seems to be working.","human_ref_B":"Ironically that means you know more than nothing. Only a fool thinks they know it all. The first step to wisdom is to accept you know nothing. Good job!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3869.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqygh6","c_root_id_B":"fzqtijj","created_at_utc_A":1596129614,"created_at_utc_B":1596127356,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Ironically that means you know more than nothing. Only a fool thinks they know it all. The first step to wisdom is to accept you know nothing. Good job!","human_ref_B":"Everything worked out - but yeah, the feeling of knowing nothing will stick with you. Depending on the field you end up in, one of the consistent engineering problems is that everything changes and you'll never always have the answer. But that's part of the job, being able to take the right steps to figure it out.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2258.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqtmwc","c_root_id_B":"fzqygh6","created_at_utc_A":1596127413,"created_at_utc_B":1596129614,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I've been working as a mech engineer for almost a year now. I felt the same way when I graduated college, but don't worry! Employers are generally really understanding and they don't expect you to hit the ground running as soon as you walk in the door. Keep in mind your managers were once in your shoes too. The best thing you can do is be punctual, be curious, and show that even if you don't know something you're willing to learn it. Best of luck OP!","human_ref_B":"Ironically that means you know more than nothing. Only a fool thinks they know it all. The first step to wisdom is to accept you know nothing. Good job!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2201.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqxexb","c_root_id_B":"fzqpgb3","created_at_utc_A":1596129187,"created_at_utc_B":1596125418,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I can relate to this, all the way through my degree I felt like I knew nothing. But you know more than you realise. Also, the soft skills you develop matter a lot too nearly just as much as the content. What you shouldn\u2019t think is that having a degree is a sign of being all knowing, it is not. The knowledge you will have at the end of your degree will be a drop in the ocean compared to what you learn as you progress in your job. You may have heard this already but a large part of your degree is learning how to learn. Don\u2019t take that aspect for granted. My individual project was on DC protection systems, I didn\u2019t have a clue about it. But you aren\u2019t expected to have a clue about it, you are expected to go out and learn about it and be proactive. My group projective was developing a beach cleaning robot that incorporated, power, control, mechanical systems, image processing, and even more. Now you don\u2019t get a class in how to build a beach cleaning robot, that\u2019s where your ability to learn comes in. The mark of a good engineer is being able to face a challenge you may not know much about and approach it systematically using your experience. At the moment your experience may not have made you rich in knowledge and that\u2019s likely why you feel like you don\u2019t know a lot. But it will have given you the know how around approaching a problem and breaking it down. I have always been told that going into a project you will probably know\/be familiar with around 30% of the stuff, the other 70% you will likely have to learn\/work on. One thing I will say is a job puts your knowledge in context. You will realise you know a lot more when you actually understand how your knowledge relates to real world engineering. Lastly, the best advice I can give is be proactive in your learning. Take an interest in more than you are taught. If you are curious about something, don\u2019t brush it under the rug, pursue that curiosity. You don\u2019t have to know things inside out but it is a great habit to learn proactively (not just in engineering).","human_ref_B":"Yeah walking out of college I don\u2019t think I retained even 10% of the material I studied. I\u2019m looking to take my FE (Fundamentals of Engineering Exam) soon and Im struggling because I forgot a lot of the material. But I also have a engineering job. I don\u2019t think most engineering jobs right out of school expect you to walk in knowing everything. A lot of things are taught on the job and are perfected with practice. I feel like when you walk out of university, you should know more of how to think and attack problems rather than knowing abstract concepts and stuff.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3769.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqq4oi","c_root_id_B":"fzqxexb","created_at_utc_A":1596125745,"created_at_utc_B":1596129187,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"It for sure can feel that way until you get experience. I found my internship gave me a lot of confidence. Granted I'm now a software developer getting a masters in artificial intelligence. In the end just keep working at school and get an internship. Never expected my path but it seems to be working.","human_ref_B":"I can relate to this, all the way through my degree I felt like I knew nothing. But you know more than you realise. Also, the soft skills you develop matter a lot too nearly just as much as the content. What you shouldn\u2019t think is that having a degree is a sign of being all knowing, it is not. The knowledge you will have at the end of your degree will be a drop in the ocean compared to what you learn as you progress in your job. You may have heard this already but a large part of your degree is learning how to learn. Don\u2019t take that aspect for granted. My individual project was on DC protection systems, I didn\u2019t have a clue about it. But you aren\u2019t expected to have a clue about it, you are expected to go out and learn about it and be proactive. My group projective was developing a beach cleaning robot that incorporated, power, control, mechanical systems, image processing, and even more. Now you don\u2019t get a class in how to build a beach cleaning robot, that\u2019s where your ability to learn comes in. The mark of a good engineer is being able to face a challenge you may not know much about and approach it systematically using your experience. At the moment your experience may not have made you rich in knowledge and that\u2019s likely why you feel like you don\u2019t know a lot. But it will have given you the know how around approaching a problem and breaking it down. I have always been told that going into a project you will probably know\/be familiar with around 30% of the stuff, the other 70% you will likely have to learn\/work on. One thing I will say is a job puts your knowledge in context. You will realise you know a lot more when you actually understand how your knowledge relates to real world engineering. Lastly, the best advice I can give is be proactive in your learning. Take an interest in more than you are taught. If you are curious about something, don\u2019t brush it under the rug, pursue that curiosity. You don\u2019t have to know things inside out but it is a great habit to learn proactively (not just in engineering).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3442.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqtijj","c_root_id_B":"fzqxexb","created_at_utc_A":1596127356,"created_at_utc_B":1596129187,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Everything worked out - but yeah, the feeling of knowing nothing will stick with you. Depending on the field you end up in, one of the consistent engineering problems is that everything changes and you'll never always have the answer. But that's part of the job, being able to take the right steps to figure it out.","human_ref_B":"I can relate to this, all the way through my degree I felt like I knew nothing. But you know more than you realise. Also, the soft skills you develop matter a lot too nearly just as much as the content. What you shouldn\u2019t think is that having a degree is a sign of being all knowing, it is not. The knowledge you will have at the end of your degree will be a drop in the ocean compared to what you learn as you progress in your job. You may have heard this already but a large part of your degree is learning how to learn. Don\u2019t take that aspect for granted. My individual project was on DC protection systems, I didn\u2019t have a clue about it. But you aren\u2019t expected to have a clue about it, you are expected to go out and learn about it and be proactive. My group projective was developing a beach cleaning robot that incorporated, power, control, mechanical systems, image processing, and even more. Now you don\u2019t get a class in how to build a beach cleaning robot, that\u2019s where your ability to learn comes in. The mark of a good engineer is being able to face a challenge you may not know much about and approach it systematically using your experience. At the moment your experience may not have made you rich in knowledge and that\u2019s likely why you feel like you don\u2019t know a lot. But it will have given you the know how around approaching a problem and breaking it down. I have always been told that going into a project you will probably know\/be familiar with around 30% of the stuff, the other 70% you will likely have to learn\/work on. One thing I will say is a job puts your knowledge in context. You will realise you know a lot more when you actually understand how your knowledge relates to real world engineering. Lastly, the best advice I can give is be proactive in your learning. Take an interest in more than you are taught. If you are curious about something, don\u2019t brush it under the rug, pursue that curiosity. You don\u2019t have to know things inside out but it is a great habit to learn proactively (not just in engineering).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1831.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqxexb","c_root_id_B":"fzqtmwc","created_at_utc_A":1596129187,"created_at_utc_B":1596127413,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I can relate to this, all the way through my degree I felt like I knew nothing. But you know more than you realise. Also, the soft skills you develop matter a lot too nearly just as much as the content. What you shouldn\u2019t think is that having a degree is a sign of being all knowing, it is not. The knowledge you will have at the end of your degree will be a drop in the ocean compared to what you learn as you progress in your job. You may have heard this already but a large part of your degree is learning how to learn. Don\u2019t take that aspect for granted. My individual project was on DC protection systems, I didn\u2019t have a clue about it. But you aren\u2019t expected to have a clue about it, you are expected to go out and learn about it and be proactive. My group projective was developing a beach cleaning robot that incorporated, power, control, mechanical systems, image processing, and even more. Now you don\u2019t get a class in how to build a beach cleaning robot, that\u2019s where your ability to learn comes in. The mark of a good engineer is being able to face a challenge you may not know much about and approach it systematically using your experience. At the moment your experience may not have made you rich in knowledge and that\u2019s likely why you feel like you don\u2019t know a lot. But it will have given you the know how around approaching a problem and breaking it down. I have always been told that going into a project you will probably know\/be familiar with around 30% of the stuff, the other 70% you will likely have to learn\/work on. One thing I will say is a job puts your knowledge in context. You will realise you know a lot more when you actually understand how your knowledge relates to real world engineering. Lastly, the best advice I can give is be proactive in your learning. Take an interest in more than you are taught. If you are curious about something, don\u2019t brush it under the rug, pursue that curiosity. You don\u2019t have to know things inside out but it is a great habit to learn proactively (not just in engineering).","human_ref_B":"I've been working as a mech engineer for almost a year now. I felt the same way when I graduated college, but don't worry! Employers are generally really understanding and they don't expect you to hit the ground running as soon as you walk in the door. Keep in mind your managers were once in your shoes too. The best thing you can do is be punctual, be curious, and show that even if you don't know something you're willing to learn it. Best of luck OP!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1774.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzr05ir","c_root_id_B":"fzqtijj","created_at_utc_A":1596130342,"created_at_utc_B":1596127356,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If you think you know nothing now, just wait until you get a job... In all seriousness, it helps that you are self-aware. You go to nursing school they teach you how to become a nurse. You go to engineering school and they throw math at you for four years and expect you to know how to design and install a tertiary rejects system at a paper mill from the ground up and by the way the previous guy working on this project bought a water pump when he needs to pump 5% paper stock so now that\u2019s your problem and we are way behind on the schedule which is why the previous guy got replaced by a 22 year old intern and ... anyway, all that companies care about is experience. I was having trouble finding an internship, so I volunteered helping a local junior high with an after school program where they did engineering projects. This springboarded in to good stuff. Talk to professors about openings and places that need help. You will strike out with some, but I almost guarantee that some professor will need a lab assistant or know a company who needs someone who could use undergrad help. There is a lot of work out there. Some of it sucks. The biggest mistake you can make is thinking you\u2019re too good for a job (not saying you think like this, it\u2019s just advice). I would wish you good luck, but I believe that we (mostly) make our own luck.","human_ref_B":"Everything worked out - but yeah, the feeling of knowing nothing will stick with you. Depending on the field you end up in, one of the consistent engineering problems is that everything changes and you'll never always have the answer. But that's part of the job, being able to take the right steps to figure it out.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2986.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqtmwc","c_root_id_B":"fzr05ir","created_at_utc_A":1596127413,"created_at_utc_B":1596130342,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I've been working as a mech engineer for almost a year now. I felt the same way when I graduated college, but don't worry! Employers are generally really understanding and they don't expect you to hit the ground running as soon as you walk in the door. Keep in mind your managers were once in your shoes too. The best thing you can do is be punctual, be curious, and show that even if you don't know something you're willing to learn it. Best of luck OP!","human_ref_B":"If you think you know nothing now, just wait until you get a job... In all seriousness, it helps that you are self-aware. You go to nursing school they teach you how to become a nurse. You go to engineering school and they throw math at you for four years and expect you to know how to design and install a tertiary rejects system at a paper mill from the ground up and by the way the previous guy working on this project bought a water pump when he needs to pump 5% paper stock so now that\u2019s your problem and we are way behind on the schedule which is why the previous guy got replaced by a 22 year old intern and ... anyway, all that companies care about is experience. I was having trouble finding an internship, so I volunteered helping a local junior high with an after school program where they did engineering projects. This springboarded in to good stuff. Talk to professors about openings and places that need help. You will strike out with some, but I almost guarantee that some professor will need a lab assistant or know a company who needs someone who could use undergrad help. There is a lot of work out there. Some of it sucks. The biggest mistake you can make is thinking you\u2019re too good for a job (not saying you think like this, it\u2019s just advice). I would wish you good luck, but I believe that we (mostly) make our own luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2929.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzqyt3m","c_root_id_B":"fzr05ir","created_at_utc_A":1596129761,"created_at_utc_B":1596130342,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I graduated in 2013 and I still feel like I know nothing.","human_ref_B":"If you think you know nothing now, just wait until you get a job... In all seriousness, it helps that you are self-aware. You go to nursing school they teach you how to become a nurse. You go to engineering school and they throw math at you for four years and expect you to know how to design and install a tertiary rejects system at a paper mill from the ground up and by the way the previous guy working on this project bought a water pump when he needs to pump 5% paper stock so now that\u2019s your problem and we are way behind on the schedule which is why the previous guy got replaced by a 22 year old intern and ... anyway, all that companies care about is experience. I was having trouble finding an internship, so I volunteered helping a local junior high with an after school program where they did engineering projects. This springboarded in to good stuff. Talk to professors about openings and places that need help. You will strike out with some, but I almost guarantee that some professor will need a lab assistant or know a company who needs someone who could use undergrad help. There is a lot of work out there. Some of it sucks. The biggest mistake you can make is thinking you\u2019re too good for a job (not saying you think like this, it\u2019s just advice). I would wish you good luck, but I believe that we (mostly) make our own luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":581.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"i0ma80","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I'm still in my undergraduate studies for Electrical Engineering, but I feel like I know absolutely nothing. How did you feel when you graduated? Did everything work out? As the title states, I feel like I know nothing. I've had some trouble with my classes (mainly with my response to the stress, not the actual material) and I feel like I'm woefully unprepared for the job market. Did you feel the same way when you started looking for jobs? What helped you the most? Maybe I just want to hear success stories from people who've walked the same path. Something to alleviate the anxiety I have about not being good enough for the industry. It's a big fear I have.","c_root_id_A":"fzr05ir","c_root_id_B":"fzqzf7u","created_at_utc_A":1596130342,"created_at_utc_B":1596130016,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If you think you know nothing now, just wait until you get a job... In all seriousness, it helps that you are self-aware. You go to nursing school they teach you how to become a nurse. You go to engineering school and they throw math at you for four years and expect you to know how to design and install a tertiary rejects system at a paper mill from the ground up and by the way the previous guy working on this project bought a water pump when he needs to pump 5% paper stock so now that\u2019s your problem and we are way behind on the schedule which is why the previous guy got replaced by a 22 year old intern and ... anyway, all that companies care about is experience. I was having trouble finding an internship, so I volunteered helping a local junior high with an after school program where they did engineering projects. This springboarded in to good stuff. Talk to professors about openings and places that need help. You will strike out with some, but I almost guarantee that some professor will need a lab assistant or know a company who needs someone who could use undergrad help. There is a lot of work out there. Some of it sucks. The biggest mistake you can make is thinking you\u2019re too good for a job (not saying you think like this, it\u2019s just advice). I would wish you good luck, but I believe that we (mostly) make our own luck.","human_ref_B":"You are learning how to speak a language. You are learning what to Google when you have a problem. If that's all you get out of it, you're doing fine.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":326.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"gij9y7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"My GitHub Pages website went viral. 120,000 page views in 24h. Where do I go from here? So I built nesteggly.com. Literally an MVP I cooked up over the past couple of months to help my gf plan her retirement. Being a 100% static website and not thinking many people would find it very interesting I decided to host it on GitHub Pages. Fast forward to the last 24 hours. I've had over 120,000 page views and 6 gigs of bandwidth used. Fortunately I'd just set up Cloudflare and GitHub only delivered about 2 gigs of that. I haven't received a call from them yet and my site seems to still be up and responsive. My questions for the engineers: 1. Is this an appropriate usage of GitHub Pages? Should I be concerned they'll shut me down? 2. Is there a way to configure Cloudflare to cache 100% of the traffic so that I don't have to switch hosts? 3. If I should switch hosts, what's the best way to host a 100% static site?","c_root_id_A":"fqg6f68","c_root_id_B":"fqg3kd5","created_at_utc_A":1589338971,"created_at_utc_B":1589337232,"score_A":14,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m surprised 1\/3 of the traffic got through cloudflare. > GitHub Pages sites have a *soft* bandwidth limit of 100GB per month.","human_ref_B":"Azure data storage or blob storage.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1739.0,"score_ratio":4.6666666667} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxdyejf","c_root_id_B":"hxdxxkj","created_at_utc_A":1645146839,"created_at_utc_B":1645146627,"score_A":777,"score_B":119,"human_ref_A":"I like to ask \"are there any skills important to the role that I haven't spoken to yet?\" This version comes across neutral rather than negative. Your version paints you as apprehensive and potentially aware of a strong weakness you may have. My version gets a direct, specific answer easy to speak to wheras yours may not. Edit: just got my first job in my 3th interview opportunity where I asked this question.","human_ref_B":"Something I've noticed after being on a hiring team for a while is that sometimes the margins between candidates can be pretty narrow. I don't know that this question impresses necessarily, but it gives you a chance to address any concerns they have and that may help elevate you just enough.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":212.0,"score_ratio":6.5294117647} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxdwspt","c_root_id_B":"hxdyejf","created_at_utc_A":1645146118,"created_at_utc_B":1645146839,"score_A":4,"score_B":777,"human_ref_A":"It's important to be upfront about what you can bring to the company you're interviewing at. It is okay to mention you're interested in learning more in this situation, and if they're unsure of your skills showing real enthusiasm will help.","human_ref_B":"I like to ask \"are there any skills important to the role that I haven't spoken to yet?\" This version comes across neutral rather than negative. Your version paints you as apprehensive and potentially aware of a strong weakness you may have. My version gets a direct, specific answer easy to speak to wheras yours may not. Edit: just got my first job in my 3th interview opportunity where I asked this question.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":721.0,"score_ratio":194.25} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxdxxkj","c_root_id_B":"hxdwspt","created_at_utc_A":1645146627,"created_at_utc_B":1645146118,"score_A":119,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Something I've noticed after being on a hiring team for a while is that sometimes the margins between candidates can be pretty narrow. I don't know that this question impresses necessarily, but it gives you a chance to address any concerns they have and that may help elevate you just enough.","human_ref_B":"It's important to be upfront about what you can bring to the company you're interviewing at. It is okay to mention you're interested in learning more in this situation, and if they're unsure of your skills showing real enthusiasm will help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":509.0,"score_ratio":29.75} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxdwspt","c_root_id_B":"hxe08rj","created_at_utc_A":1645146118,"created_at_utc_B":1645147677,"score_A":4,"score_B":62,"human_ref_A":"It's important to be upfront about what you can bring to the company you're interviewing at. It is okay to mention you're interested in learning more in this situation, and if they're unsure of your skills showing real enthusiasm will help.","human_ref_B":"Pff I always make sure I get feedback from the panel at the end of the interviews. It's hilarious because they always say \"do you have any questions for us?\" And you can tell nobody ever does because they start packing up. Well actually, yes. Insert shocked Pikachu face. Getting feedback is great for you so you can improve either your qualifications or interview skills to be a better fit, plus that action alone makes you look like a significantly better candidate. If it's something technical I usually fall back on the ol' \"Well I've made it this far in engineering, and proven myself effective. I don't think it would take me long to get up to speed on your projects and change your mind.\" Also I'm an engineer, if I don't have a reference book in front of me with the answer I'm not going to tell you anything with 100% certainty. The human brain is a piece of garbage and I'm not stamping shit without a source to cite.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1559.0,"score_ratio":15.5} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxe6bih","c_root_id_B":"hxe1evp","created_at_utc_A":1645150433,"created_at_utc_B":1645148207,"score_A":45,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Something like: Could you tell me about one or two specific projects I'd be working on? This does two things. 1. It visually paints a picture in the interviewer's mind that you are doing the job. 2. It shows the interviewer you are interested in project specifics and details.","human_ref_B":"Career counselors are not in your field. Take what they say as a grain of salt. Ask you question in a neutral positive manner and work in why you\u2019re a great candidate naturally","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2226.0,"score_ratio":1.5517241379} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxe6bih","c_root_id_B":"hxe2sti","created_at_utc_A":1645150433,"created_at_utc_B":1645148837,"score_A":45,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Something like: Could you tell me about one or two specific projects I'd be working on? This does two things. 1. It visually paints a picture in the interviewer's mind that you are doing the job. 2. It shows the interviewer you are interested in project specifics and details.","human_ref_B":"When I\u2019m doing the technical interview I\u2019ll always asked, \u201cWhat are you looking for in a good candidate for this position\u201d they\u2019ll usually mention something about being good working with others along with technical requirements, so I\u2019ll try to start up conversation related to tram dynamics and try to slip in details that suggest how I would fit in well with the team and experience directly related to whatever they mentioned. It is painfully obvious what I\u2019m doing, but I\u2019ve been told it impressed people that I actually made an effort to get a sense of company culture during the interview. Also, they have a hard time hiding red flags if you start an actual conversation about the team than just asking simple questions about it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1596.0,"score_ratio":2.1428571429} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxe6bih","c_root_id_B":"hxdwspt","created_at_utc_A":1645150433,"created_at_utc_B":1645146118,"score_A":45,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Something like: Could you tell me about one or two specific projects I'd be working on? This does two things. 1. It visually paints a picture in the interviewer's mind that you are doing the job. 2. It shows the interviewer you are interested in project specifics and details.","human_ref_B":"It's important to be upfront about what you can bring to the company you're interviewing at. It is okay to mention you're interested in learning more in this situation, and if they're unsure of your skills showing real enthusiasm will help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4315.0,"score_ratio":11.25} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxdwspt","c_root_id_B":"hxe1evp","created_at_utc_A":1645146118,"created_at_utc_B":1645148207,"score_A":4,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"It's important to be upfront about what you can bring to the company you're interviewing at. It is okay to mention you're interested in learning more in this situation, and if they're unsure of your skills showing real enthusiasm will help.","human_ref_B":"Career counselors are not in your field. Take what they say as a grain of salt. Ask you question in a neutral positive manner and work in why you\u2019re a great candidate naturally","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2089.0,"score_ratio":7.25} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxe2sti","c_root_id_B":"hxedy8w","created_at_utc_A":1645148837,"created_at_utc_B":1645153883,"score_A":21,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"When I\u2019m doing the technical interview I\u2019ll always asked, \u201cWhat are you looking for in a good candidate for this position\u201d they\u2019ll usually mention something about being good working with others along with technical requirements, so I\u2019ll try to start up conversation related to tram dynamics and try to slip in details that suggest how I would fit in well with the team and experience directly related to whatever they mentioned. It is painfully obvious what I\u2019m doing, but I\u2019ve been told it impressed people that I actually made an effort to get a sense of company culture during the interview. Also, they have a hard time hiding red flags if you start an actual conversation about the team than just asking simple questions about it.","human_ref_B":">\"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" this is not something I would answer at the end of an interview. First, whatever reservation I might have goes in a big pot with comments from other interviewers, so it wouldn't be right to express it right then. Some times, a small thing that is confirmed by others become a big thing. Sometimes we realize a candidate has repeated the same error he was corrected in a prior slot. Second, I need to review notes and rethink the entire interview. Only when writing my report I have a fair assessment of the interview. I normally allocate time for this just after the interview, so that it is still fresh in my mind. And last, most of the things I might say wouldn't be useful to you: you said you know C++ on your resume and you showed you didn't in the interview, no point in saying. You stayed silent instead of reasoning aloud? potentially useful, but I probably would already told that to you during the interview and you ignored it. You rushed into a solution instead of understanding the problem, same thing. I have no reservations? no point in saying that either. It might generate expectation while the truth is that we still have to sit with the entire panel and reach a decision.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5046.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxedy8w","c_root_id_B":"hxeafea","created_at_utc_A":1645153883,"created_at_utc_B":1645152283,"score_A":28,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":">\"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" this is not something I would answer at the end of an interview. First, whatever reservation I might have goes in a big pot with comments from other interviewers, so it wouldn't be right to express it right then. Some times, a small thing that is confirmed by others become a big thing. Sometimes we realize a candidate has repeated the same error he was corrected in a prior slot. Second, I need to review notes and rethink the entire interview. Only when writing my report I have a fair assessment of the interview. I normally allocate time for this just after the interview, so that it is still fresh in my mind. And last, most of the things I might say wouldn't be useful to you: you said you know C++ on your resume and you showed you didn't in the interview, no point in saying. You stayed silent instead of reasoning aloud? potentially useful, but I probably would already told that to you during the interview and you ignored it. You rushed into a solution instead of understanding the problem, same thing. I have no reservations? no point in saying that either. It might generate expectation while the truth is that we still have to sit with the entire panel and reach a decision.","human_ref_B":"In my last search, I tried questions like that. I'd say something like, \"do you have any reservations about me as a candidate that I could address directly, so you don't have to speculate about it?\" Not to impress them with the question, but to actually have an opportunity to respond to any perceived weaknesses. In some cases, they'd say something that was a true weakness in my experience, and I'd say yeah, I'm weak on that but I'll pick it up fast. Usually I didn't get any substantive feedback. I did get the job, though.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1600.0,"score_ratio":2.1538461538} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxedy8w","c_root_id_B":"hxeb6cn","created_at_utc_A":1645153883,"created_at_utc_B":1645152613,"score_A":28,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":">\"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" this is not something I would answer at the end of an interview. First, whatever reservation I might have goes in a big pot with comments from other interviewers, so it wouldn't be right to express it right then. Some times, a small thing that is confirmed by others become a big thing. Sometimes we realize a candidate has repeated the same error he was corrected in a prior slot. Second, I need to review notes and rethink the entire interview. Only when writing my report I have a fair assessment of the interview. I normally allocate time for this just after the interview, so that it is still fresh in my mind. And last, most of the things I might say wouldn't be useful to you: you said you know C++ on your resume and you showed you didn't in the interview, no point in saying. You stayed silent instead of reasoning aloud? potentially useful, but I probably would already told that to you during the interview and you ignored it. You rushed into a solution instead of understanding the problem, same thing. I have no reservations? no point in saying that either. It might generate expectation while the truth is that we still have to sit with the entire panel and reach a decision.","human_ref_B":"One of the ones I've asked that has had the best responses from the interviewer was \"What do you wish you had asked when you were in my position\" If they are honest it can give some pretty insightful information that you might not have even been aware of. And if they are dishonest it's normally possible to pick up on when people are sugar coating a response.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1270.0,"score_ratio":9.3333333333} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxdwspt","c_root_id_B":"hxedy8w","created_at_utc_A":1645146118,"created_at_utc_B":1645153883,"score_A":4,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"It's important to be upfront about what you can bring to the company you're interviewing at. It is okay to mention you're interested in learning more in this situation, and if they're unsure of your skills showing real enthusiasm will help.","human_ref_B":">\"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" this is not something I would answer at the end of an interview. First, whatever reservation I might have goes in a big pot with comments from other interviewers, so it wouldn't be right to express it right then. Some times, a small thing that is confirmed by others become a big thing. Sometimes we realize a candidate has repeated the same error he was corrected in a prior slot. Second, I need to review notes and rethink the entire interview. Only when writing my report I have a fair assessment of the interview. I normally allocate time for this just after the interview, so that it is still fresh in my mind. And last, most of the things I might say wouldn't be useful to you: you said you know C++ on your resume and you showed you didn't in the interview, no point in saying. You stayed silent instead of reasoning aloud? potentially useful, but I probably would already told that to you during the interview and you ignored it. You rushed into a solution instead of understanding the problem, same thing. I have no reservations? no point in saying that either. It might generate expectation while the truth is that we still have to sit with the entire panel and reach a decision.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7765.0,"score_ratio":7.0} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxdwspt","c_root_id_B":"hxe2sti","created_at_utc_A":1645146118,"created_at_utc_B":1645148837,"score_A":4,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"It's important to be upfront about what you can bring to the company you're interviewing at. It is okay to mention you're interested in learning more in this situation, and if they're unsure of your skills showing real enthusiasm will help.","human_ref_B":"When I\u2019m doing the technical interview I\u2019ll always asked, \u201cWhat are you looking for in a good candidate for this position\u201d they\u2019ll usually mention something about being good working with others along with technical requirements, so I\u2019ll try to start up conversation related to tram dynamics and try to slip in details that suggest how I would fit in well with the team and experience directly related to whatever they mentioned. It is painfully obvious what I\u2019m doing, but I\u2019ve been told it impressed people that I actually made an effort to get a sense of company culture during the interview. Also, they have a hard time hiding red flags if you start an actual conversation about the team than just asking simple questions about it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2719.0,"score_ratio":5.25} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxeafea","c_root_id_B":"hxdwspt","created_at_utc_A":1645152283,"created_at_utc_B":1645146118,"score_A":13,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"In my last search, I tried questions like that. I'd say something like, \"do you have any reservations about me as a candidate that I could address directly, so you don't have to speculate about it?\" Not to impress them with the question, but to actually have an opportunity to respond to any perceived weaknesses. In some cases, they'd say something that was a true weakness in my experience, and I'd say yeah, I'm weak on that but I'll pick it up fast. Usually I didn't get any substantive feedback. I did get the job, though.","human_ref_B":"It's important to be upfront about what you can bring to the company you're interviewing at. It is okay to mention you're interested in learning more in this situation, and if they're unsure of your skills showing real enthusiasm will help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6165.0,"score_ratio":3.25} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxeb6cn","c_root_id_B":"hxehgwz","created_at_utc_A":1645152613,"created_at_utc_B":1645155563,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"One of the ones I've asked that has had the best responses from the interviewer was \"What do you wish you had asked when you were in my position\" If they are honest it can give some pretty insightful information that you might not have even been aware of. And if they are dishonest it's normally possible to pick up on when people are sugar coating a response.","human_ref_B":"Can you think of a person who did well in this role and what made them be successful?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2950.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxehgwz","c_root_id_B":"hxdwspt","created_at_utc_A":1645155563,"created_at_utc_B":1645146118,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Can you think of a person who did well in this role and what made them be successful?","human_ref_B":"It's important to be upfront about what you can bring to the company you're interviewing at. It is okay to mention you're interested in learning more in this situation, and if they're unsure of your skills showing real enthusiasm will help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9445.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxem2ql","c_root_id_B":"hxeb6cn","created_at_utc_A":1645157828,"created_at_utc_B":1645152613,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Idk if it is the right word but it seems slightly \u201cpretentious\u201d to ask. Seems like a question someone asked only cause they read that it\u2019s a good question to ask lol","human_ref_B":"One of the ones I've asked that has had the best responses from the interviewer was \"What do you wish you had asked when you were in my position\" If they are honest it can give some pretty insightful information that you might not have even been aware of. And if they are dishonest it's normally possible to pick up on when people are sugar coating a response.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5215.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxem2ql","c_root_id_B":"hxdwspt","created_at_utc_A":1645157828,"created_at_utc_B":1645146118,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Idk if it is the right word but it seems slightly \u201cpretentious\u201d to ask. Seems like a question someone asked only cause they read that it\u2019s a good question to ask lol","human_ref_B":"It's important to be upfront about what you can bring to the company you're interviewing at. It is okay to mention you're interested in learning more in this situation, and if they're unsure of your skills showing real enthusiasm will help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11710.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxeu3b8","c_root_id_B":"hxeb6cn","created_at_utc_A":1645162203,"created_at_utc_B":1645152613,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I think it's very bad advice. This question (and some milder versions of it suggested in some replies) is a lost opportunity to ask a meaningful question at best and comes across as needy at worst. It shows the candidate is focused on passing the interview first and foremost RATHER THAN thinking about the position. My answer to this question would be an honest one: \"I don't have a full picture yet. After the interview all the interviewers will get together for a debrief and only then we will know\". This is indeed what happens. I might have formed an opinion at this point, but more often than not I'm on the fence -- I'm concentrating on collecting all the datapoints and coming up with meaningful follow-ups. The team will make the decision after reading and discussing all the feedback. Much better questions would be: * give me an example of a problem solved recently by a star engineer on the team * what is the team's biggest goal? Is the team equipped to achieve it? If not, what's missing? * give me an example of an achievement(s) by team members that led to a promotion * give me an example of cases where team members had a chance to wear multiple hats (plug your other skills that didn't come up during the interview yet <- here)","human_ref_B":"One of the ones I've asked that has had the best responses from the interviewer was \"What do you wish you had asked when you were in my position\" If they are honest it can give some pretty insightful information that you might not have even been aware of. And if they are dishonest it's normally possible to pick up on when people are sugar coating a response.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9590.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"sv4huh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"The question that supposedly impresses an interviewer Some career counselors suggest that during an interview, you should ask the interviewer \"Do you have any reservations about my candidacy?\" and then address any reservations they have. This strategy supposedly works for non-technical interviews, but I'm not sure it would work in engineering interviews. Would you recommend asking such a question during an engineering interview? ​ If the interviewer mentions a reservation, how would you recommend addressing it? ​ If the interviewer mentions something big, like \"We think your physics knowledge is lacking\" or \"We don't think your programming skills are good enough\", how would you respond? ​ Have you ever asked such a question during an interview? What happened?","c_root_id_A":"hxeu3b8","c_root_id_B":"hxdwspt","created_at_utc_A":1645162203,"created_at_utc_B":1645146118,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I think it's very bad advice. This question (and some milder versions of it suggested in some replies) is a lost opportunity to ask a meaningful question at best and comes across as needy at worst. It shows the candidate is focused on passing the interview first and foremost RATHER THAN thinking about the position. My answer to this question would be an honest one: \"I don't have a full picture yet. After the interview all the interviewers will get together for a debrief and only then we will know\". This is indeed what happens. I might have formed an opinion at this point, but more often than not I'm on the fence -- I'm concentrating on collecting all the datapoints and coming up with meaningful follow-ups. The team will make the decision after reading and discussing all the feedback. Much better questions would be: * give me an example of a problem solved recently by a star engineer on the team * what is the team's biggest goal? Is the team equipped to achieve it? If not, what's missing? * give me an example of an achievement(s) by team members that led to a promotion * give me an example of cases where team members had a chance to wear multiple hats (plug your other skills that didn't come up during the interview yet <- here)","human_ref_B":"It's important to be upfront about what you can bring to the company you're interviewing at. It is okay to mention you're interested in learning more in this situation, and if they're unsure of your skills showing real enthusiasm will help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16085.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gas12h2","c_root_id_B":"gas14zc","created_at_utc_A":1604223679,"created_at_utc_B":1604223740,"score_A":13,"score_B":105,"human_ref_A":"Some industries allow remote work, some allow remote work around the country. My firm (MEP engineering) has a handful of semi-part time folks working in different countries. Might be rare, but options are out there. Might have to get a few years of experience first tho so those hiring have confidence you can do the job.","human_ref_B":"I worked with a guy who would do six months of contracting, then six months exploring. He did work lots of hours when he was working, and lived a very frugal lifestyle. He was also exceptionally talented and had lots of domain experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":61.0,"score_ratio":8.0769230769} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gas14zc","c_root_id_B":"gas0ssb","created_at_utc_A":1604223740,"created_at_utc_B":1604223448,"score_A":105,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I worked with a guy who would do six months of contracting, then six months exploring. He did work lots of hours when he was working, and lived a very frugal lifestyle. He was also exceptionally talented and had lots of domain experience.","human_ref_B":"Independent Contractor But you need to establish a reputation first.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":292.0,"score_ratio":15.0} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gasb120","c_root_id_B":"gasd8mr","created_at_utc_A":1604232618,"created_at_utc_B":1604234572,"score_A":73,"score_B":84,"human_ref_A":"I recall when I first started work - just a normal job, nothing unusual - I found that all of a sudden I had much more time to enjoy life, simply because the work was around 40 hours with no homework or studying required. No weekend studies etc. plus you can just take a vacation day here and there. Depending on how much time you feel like you need, you might find that you can get plenty of adventure and fun in on evenings, weekends and vacation days. The hobbies you mention, some might require travel and some not, but if you emphasize location in your job search it might kinda take care of it self.","human_ref_B":"Here's how one guy did it. He wasn't a super high paid project manager or anything, but he was one of the best electrical designers I have met. Works in Houston where there are a lot of mega-projects. Stadiums and refineries and such. He works for a while, and does a fantastic job. I send him out to take some field notes, and the next morning he hands in his field data already on CAD. On these giant projects, they hire dozens of engineers, then lay them off as the project winds down. He's got a spidey sense when this is going to happen, and quits proactively. Then he spends six months playing his guitar. During that period, nobody can hire him for any amount of money. He plays, does a few gigs, maybe makes a few bucks but mostly does whatever the hell he wants. Then he hires on again. Same guys always on one project after another. They all know him. They hire him, he works like mad, then quits when his spidey sense goes off and plays guitar for another six months.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1954.0,"score_ratio":1.1506849315} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gasd63w","c_root_id_B":"gasd8mr","created_at_utc_A":1604234513,"created_at_utc_B":1604234572,"score_A":27,"score_B":84,"human_ref_A":"Work internationally. Before you have a family you can work 50 hours a week M-F with incredible weekends exploring. I spent my 30\u2019s outside the US more often than in it, and sitting on my couch with my kid right now, in a suburb near where I grew up, getting excited about the safety features of the station wagon I\u2019m picking up Monday, is fantastic in a way it never could have been had I not put thousands of miles on single cylinder motorcycles in southern\/eastern Africa and Southeast Asia, riding night trains through mountains, dodgy ferries to islands with phenomenal surf, sleeping places where the spiders knock things off shelves. Note: as a MechE I spent those long workdays with bad fluorescent lighting and bad AC in factories. Civil engineering seems to provide the possibility of a more interesting work environment.","human_ref_B":"Here's how one guy did it. He wasn't a super high paid project manager or anything, but he was one of the best electrical designers I have met. Works in Houston where there are a lot of mega-projects. Stadiums and refineries and such. He works for a while, and does a fantastic job. I send him out to take some field notes, and the next morning he hands in his field data already on CAD. On these giant projects, they hire dozens of engineers, then lay them off as the project winds down. He's got a spidey sense when this is going to happen, and quits proactively. Then he spends six months playing his guitar. During that period, nobody can hire him for any amount of money. He plays, does a few gigs, maybe makes a few bucks but mostly does whatever the hell he wants. Then he hires on again. Same guys always on one project after another. They all know him. They hire him, he works like mad, then quits when his spidey sense goes off and plays guitar for another six months.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":59.0,"score_ratio":3.1111111111} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gasd8mr","c_root_id_B":"gas12h2","created_at_utc_A":1604234572,"created_at_utc_B":1604223679,"score_A":84,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Here's how one guy did it. He wasn't a super high paid project manager or anything, but he was one of the best electrical designers I have met. Works in Houston where there are a lot of mega-projects. Stadiums and refineries and such. He works for a while, and does a fantastic job. I send him out to take some field notes, and the next morning he hands in his field data already on CAD. On these giant projects, they hire dozens of engineers, then lay them off as the project winds down. He's got a spidey sense when this is going to happen, and quits proactively. Then he spends six months playing his guitar. During that period, nobody can hire him for any amount of money. He plays, does a few gigs, maybe makes a few bucks but mostly does whatever the hell he wants. Then he hires on again. Same guys always on one project after another. They all know him. They hire him, he works like mad, then quits when his spidey sense goes off and plays guitar for another six months.","human_ref_B":"Some industries allow remote work, some allow remote work around the country. My firm (MEP engineering) has a handful of semi-part time folks working in different countries. Might be rare, but options are out there. Might have to get a few years of experience first tho so those hiring have confidence you can do the job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10893.0,"score_ratio":6.4615384615} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gas0ssb","c_root_id_B":"gasd8mr","created_at_utc_A":1604223448,"created_at_utc_B":1604234572,"score_A":7,"score_B":84,"human_ref_A":"Independent Contractor But you need to establish a reputation first.","human_ref_B":"Here's how one guy did it. He wasn't a super high paid project manager or anything, but he was one of the best electrical designers I have met. Works in Houston where there are a lot of mega-projects. Stadiums and refineries and such. He works for a while, and does a fantastic job. I send him out to take some field notes, and the next morning he hands in his field data already on CAD. On these giant projects, they hire dozens of engineers, then lay them off as the project winds down. He's got a spidey sense when this is going to happen, and quits proactively. Then he spends six months playing his guitar. During that period, nobody can hire him for any amount of money. He plays, does a few gigs, maybe makes a few bucks but mostly does whatever the hell he wants. Then he hires on again. Same guys always on one project after another. They all know him. They hire him, he works like mad, then quits when his spidey sense goes off and plays guitar for another six months.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11124.0,"score_ratio":12.0} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gasb120","c_root_id_B":"gas12h2","created_at_utc_A":1604232618,"created_at_utc_B":1604223679,"score_A":73,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I recall when I first started work - just a normal job, nothing unusual - I found that all of a sudden I had much more time to enjoy life, simply because the work was around 40 hours with no homework or studying required. No weekend studies etc. plus you can just take a vacation day here and there. Depending on how much time you feel like you need, you might find that you can get plenty of adventure and fun in on evenings, weekends and vacation days. The hobbies you mention, some might require travel and some not, but if you emphasize location in your job search it might kinda take care of it self.","human_ref_B":"Some industries allow remote work, some allow remote work around the country. My firm (MEP engineering) has a handful of semi-part time folks working in different countries. Might be rare, but options are out there. Might have to get a few years of experience first tho so those hiring have confidence you can do the job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8939.0,"score_ratio":5.6153846154} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gas0ssb","c_root_id_B":"gasb120","created_at_utc_A":1604223448,"created_at_utc_B":1604232618,"score_A":7,"score_B":73,"human_ref_A":"Independent Contractor But you need to establish a reputation first.","human_ref_B":"I recall when I first started work - just a normal job, nothing unusual - I found that all of a sudden I had much more time to enjoy life, simply because the work was around 40 hours with no homework or studying required. No weekend studies etc. plus you can just take a vacation day here and there. Depending on how much time you feel like you need, you might find that you can get plenty of adventure and fun in on evenings, weekends and vacation days. The hobbies you mention, some might require travel and some not, but if you emphasize location in your job search it might kinda take care of it self.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9170.0,"score_ratio":10.4285714286} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gasd63w","c_root_id_B":"gas12h2","created_at_utc_A":1604234513,"created_at_utc_B":1604223679,"score_A":27,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Work internationally. Before you have a family you can work 50 hours a week M-F with incredible weekends exploring. I spent my 30\u2019s outside the US more often than in it, and sitting on my couch with my kid right now, in a suburb near where I grew up, getting excited about the safety features of the station wagon I\u2019m picking up Monday, is fantastic in a way it never could have been had I not put thousands of miles on single cylinder motorcycles in southern\/eastern Africa and Southeast Asia, riding night trains through mountains, dodgy ferries to islands with phenomenal surf, sleeping places where the spiders knock things off shelves. Note: as a MechE I spent those long workdays with bad fluorescent lighting and bad AC in factories. Civil engineering seems to provide the possibility of a more interesting work environment.","human_ref_B":"Some industries allow remote work, some allow remote work around the country. My firm (MEP engineering) has a handful of semi-part time folks working in different countries. Might be rare, but options are out there. Might have to get a few years of experience first tho so those hiring have confidence you can do the job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10834.0,"score_ratio":2.0769230769} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gas0ssb","c_root_id_B":"gasd63w","created_at_utc_A":1604223448,"created_at_utc_B":1604234513,"score_A":7,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Independent Contractor But you need to establish a reputation first.","human_ref_B":"Work internationally. Before you have a family you can work 50 hours a week M-F with incredible weekends exploring. I spent my 30\u2019s outside the US more often than in it, and sitting on my couch with my kid right now, in a suburb near where I grew up, getting excited about the safety features of the station wagon I\u2019m picking up Monday, is fantastic in a way it never could have been had I not put thousands of miles on single cylinder motorcycles in southern\/eastern Africa and Southeast Asia, riding night trains through mountains, dodgy ferries to islands with phenomenal surf, sleeping places where the spiders knock things off shelves. Note: as a MechE I spent those long workdays with bad fluorescent lighting and bad AC in factories. Civil engineering seems to provide the possibility of a more interesting work environment.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11065.0,"score_ratio":3.8571428571} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gasdfem","c_root_id_B":"gas12h2","created_at_utc_A":1604234727,"created_at_utc_B":1604223679,"score_A":25,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"You are overthinking this. Enjoying life and tackling projects, adventures, etc is a choice. The key is to create a more efficient lifestyle so you don't waste time doing things that don't align with your goals (like responding to posts on reddit. :-) ). Make goals and stay hyper focused on them to stay in track. Don't let yourself get sucked into other hobbies, side projects, etc that don't fit that goal. (This also helps you stay on budget) One thing I learned this summer, was how to leverage my meager 2 weeks of vacation. I have found that taking 3 or 4 day weekends is actually more beneficial than taking the whole week (which I can only do 2 times). By taking the long weekends, I can take MORE mini vacations and be less stressed about how much work is waiting for me when I get back. Obviously, some trips require 5+ days, but you get the idea.","human_ref_B":"Some industries allow remote work, some allow remote work around the country. My firm (MEP engineering) has a handful of semi-part time folks working in different countries. Might be rare, but options are out there. Might have to get a few years of experience first tho so those hiring have confidence you can do the job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11048.0,"score_ratio":1.9230769231} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gasdfem","c_root_id_B":"gas0ssb","created_at_utc_A":1604234727,"created_at_utc_B":1604223448,"score_A":25,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"You are overthinking this. Enjoying life and tackling projects, adventures, etc is a choice. The key is to create a more efficient lifestyle so you don't waste time doing things that don't align with your goals (like responding to posts on reddit. :-) ). Make goals and stay hyper focused on them to stay in track. Don't let yourself get sucked into other hobbies, side projects, etc that don't fit that goal. (This also helps you stay on budget) One thing I learned this summer, was how to leverage my meager 2 weeks of vacation. I have found that taking 3 or 4 day weekends is actually more beneficial than taking the whole week (which I can only do 2 times). By taking the long weekends, I can take MORE mini vacations and be less stressed about how much work is waiting for me when I get back. Obviously, some trips require 5+ days, but you get the idea.","human_ref_B":"Independent Contractor But you need to establish a reputation first.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11279.0,"score_ratio":3.5714285714} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gasem1g","c_root_id_B":"gas12h2","created_at_utc_A":1604235615,"created_at_utc_B":1604223679,"score_A":21,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I did some traveling after college with an art degree, and didn't make more than $20k for many years. I went back to school for engineering in my 30s. It's up to you to decide whether money and stability or fun and adventure are more important. You have a much better basis for taking risks than most people (you're pretty employable and can expect a good salary when you work). You're not going to starve. But you also can't go do whatever you want without any consequences. You're right about the timeline. I think a lot of young engineers get trapped by the money. You get an apartment and a car that you like, then you need to keep making that much money. It's hard to give up your standard of living. You're better off having some adventures before you settle in.","human_ref_B":"Some industries allow remote work, some allow remote work around the country. My firm (MEP engineering) has a handful of semi-part time folks working in different countries. Might be rare, but options are out there. Might have to get a few years of experience first tho so those hiring have confidence you can do the job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11936.0,"score_ratio":1.6153846154} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gasem1g","c_root_id_B":"gas0ssb","created_at_utc_A":1604235615,"created_at_utc_B":1604223448,"score_A":21,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I did some traveling after college with an art degree, and didn't make more than $20k for many years. I went back to school for engineering in my 30s. It's up to you to decide whether money and stability or fun and adventure are more important. You have a much better basis for taking risks than most people (you're pretty employable and can expect a good salary when you work). You're not going to starve. But you also can't go do whatever you want without any consequences. You're right about the timeline. I think a lot of young engineers get trapped by the money. You get an apartment and a car that you like, then you need to keep making that much money. It's hard to give up your standard of living. You're better off having some adventures before you settle in.","human_ref_B":"Independent Contractor But you need to establish a reputation first.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12167.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gasgcym","c_root_id_B":"gas12h2","created_at_utc_A":1604236877,"created_at_utc_B":1604223679,"score_A":18,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Save your money, save your PTO. I\u2019m a young engineer 3 years in and pretty focused on my career. Just got back from a two week backpacking trip in the western national parks. Work hard, play hard is definitely possible as an engineer. You just have to make it a priority. Cut out time wasted during the weeknights so that you\u2019re on top of your work and decently rested by the time the weekend hits. There are contracting - time on\/time off kind of jobs. But more realistically you can just be a weekend warrior. This is a concept I still find myself debating though (work vs life experience). Feel free to dm if you want to talk about it.","human_ref_B":"Some industries allow remote work, some allow remote work around the country. My firm (MEP engineering) has a handful of semi-part time folks working in different countries. Might be rare, but options are out there. Might have to get a few years of experience first tho so those hiring have confidence you can do the job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13198.0,"score_ratio":1.3846153846} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gas0ssb","c_root_id_B":"gasgcym","created_at_utc_A":1604223448,"created_at_utc_B":1604236877,"score_A":7,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"Independent Contractor But you need to establish a reputation first.","human_ref_B":"Save your money, save your PTO. I\u2019m a young engineer 3 years in and pretty focused on my career. Just got back from a two week backpacking trip in the western national parks. Work hard, play hard is definitely possible as an engineer. You just have to make it a priority. Cut out time wasted during the weeknights so that you\u2019re on top of your work and decently rested by the time the weekend hits. There are contracting - time on\/time off kind of jobs. But more realistically you can just be a weekend warrior. This is a concept I still find myself debating though (work vs life experience). Feel free to dm if you want to talk about it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13429.0,"score_ratio":2.5714285714} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gas12h2","c_root_id_B":"gash1ni","created_at_utc_A":1604223679,"created_at_utc_B":1604237331,"score_A":13,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Some industries allow remote work, some allow remote work around the country. My firm (MEP engineering) has a handful of semi-part time folks working in different countries. Might be rare, but options are out there. Might have to get a few years of experience first tho so those hiring have confidence you can do the job.","human_ref_B":"I had a friend from school that took a job in oil (with Schlumberger), and it was all field work. He worked 28 days on, 28 off. He worked in Siberia, Nigeria and on some rigs in the Gulf. From what he said, the 28 days on were absolutely brutal. But the company provided all the meals and housing, which was actually pretty decent because they needed to keep morale up. Since he was single, he didn't keep a place to live (no apartment, no car, no strings). Once his 28 days was up, he just headed straight to the airport and spent 28 days traveling the world. He definitely ended up with some amazing stories and adventures. But it took it's toll, too. He burned out after about 2.5 years and quit (which was pretty common). And in that time he had lost contact with all his friends, but hadn't established any new relationships because of his nomadic lifestyle. And the skills\/experience he gained didn't translate well into a normal job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13652.0,"score_ratio":1.3076923077} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gash1ni","c_root_id_B":"gasgpjf","created_at_utc_A":1604237331,"created_at_utc_B":1604237115,"score_A":17,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I had a friend from school that took a job in oil (with Schlumberger), and it was all field work. He worked 28 days on, 28 off. He worked in Siberia, Nigeria and on some rigs in the Gulf. From what he said, the 28 days on were absolutely brutal. But the company provided all the meals and housing, which was actually pretty decent because they needed to keep morale up. Since he was single, he didn't keep a place to live (no apartment, no car, no strings). Once his 28 days was up, he just headed straight to the airport and spent 28 days traveling the world. He definitely ended up with some amazing stories and adventures. But it took it's toll, too. He burned out after about 2.5 years and quit (which was pretty common). And in that time he had lost contact with all his friends, but hadn't established any new relationships because of his nomadic lifestyle. And the skills\/experience he gained didn't translate well into a normal job.","human_ref_B":"I graduated at 26 without having much adventure prior in my life. The amount of money you make after college really opens the possibilities. I'm 34 now and I have a wife and kid. There was a period of about 1-2 years where I really had a blast, but it was mostly weekend warrior stuff. It was about having the right friends, which it took a while for me to find. Now that I have a kid, its tough to travel.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":216.0,"score_ratio":1.8888888889} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gas0ssb","c_root_id_B":"gash1ni","created_at_utc_A":1604223448,"created_at_utc_B":1604237331,"score_A":7,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Independent Contractor But you need to establish a reputation first.","human_ref_B":"I had a friend from school that took a job in oil (with Schlumberger), and it was all field work. He worked 28 days on, 28 off. He worked in Siberia, Nigeria and on some rigs in the Gulf. From what he said, the 28 days on were absolutely brutal. But the company provided all the meals and housing, which was actually pretty decent because they needed to keep morale up. Since he was single, he didn't keep a place to live (no apartment, no car, no strings). Once his 28 days was up, he just headed straight to the airport and spent 28 days traveling the world. He definitely ended up with some amazing stories and adventures. But it took it's toll, too. He burned out after about 2.5 years and quit (which was pretty common). And in that time he had lost contact with all his friends, but hadn't established any new relationships because of his nomadic lifestyle. And the skills\/experience he gained didn't translate well into a normal job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13883.0,"score_ratio":2.4285714286} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gas0ssb","c_root_id_B":"gas12h2","created_at_utc_A":1604223448,"created_at_utc_B":1604223679,"score_A":7,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Independent Contractor But you need to establish a reputation first.","human_ref_B":"Some industries allow remote work, some allow remote work around the country. My firm (MEP engineering) has a handful of semi-part time folks working in different countries. Might be rare, but options are out there. Might have to get a few years of experience first tho so those hiring have confidence you can do the job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":231.0,"score_ratio":1.8571428571} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gas0ssb","c_root_id_B":"gasgpjf","created_at_utc_A":1604223448,"created_at_utc_B":1604237115,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Independent Contractor But you need to establish a reputation first.","human_ref_B":"I graduated at 26 without having much adventure prior in my life. The amount of money you make after college really opens the possibilities. I'm 34 now and I have a wife and kid. There was a period of about 1-2 years where I really had a blast, but it was mostly weekend warrior stuff. It was about having the right friends, which it took a while for me to find. Now that I have a kid, its tough to travel.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13667.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gas0ssb","c_root_id_B":"gasl4d1","created_at_utc_A":1604223448,"created_at_utc_B":1604240040,"score_A":7,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Independent Contractor But you need to establish a reputation first.","human_ref_B":"Uninterrupted adventure is a first World luxury that 99% of people never sniff. If you can pull it off, more power to you. I've had some adventure doing engineering in the jungles of Brazil and India. If you are willing to travel, adventure can be had.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16592.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gasnc4o","c_root_id_B":"gasuky9","created_at_utc_A":1604241449,"created_at_utc_B":1604245778,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You can see a lot of stuff in 10 years. Leave on the Friday of a holiday weekend return the subsequent Sunday. This uses up 4 vacation days. I\u2019ve gone from the east coast of the US to kunming China and tiger leaping gorge using this method. Just learn to get past the exhaustion on day 1. Eat on the schedule of the arrival country. And, this is important, don\u2019t brag at work that you\u2019re doing this! People will question how you can do your job and be able to pull off things like this even if you\u2019re as productive as you normally are. Work might take you places. But traveling for work sucks most of the time. You\u2019re in a awesome place with co workers. If you respect them you can\u2019t really enjoy yourself. Or the other side of the coin where they want to live vicariously through you. But that shit follows you back to the office and your career suffers.","human_ref_B":"I had a coworker who would work for 2-3 years as a design engineer, saving every penny he could, then take 1-2 years off and travel somewhere to write a local guide for paragliders. China, Chile, Peru, Morocco, etc. He'd come home and find a new job or step back into his previous company when he was down to a few thousand dollars left. He was a very valuable engineer, great work ethic. This meant he could usually come back to a company or at least have a good reference for another job. Totally laid back dude, too. Got along with everyone and could mediate personnel issues between engineers just by being around. I also worked with a group of engineers in Wales who were from Australia, New Zealand and spain. They would all travel together, and when they ran low on money, they would rent a flat where there were large scale aerospace projects that needed engineering contractors and they would all work like crazy for a year or so and bank most of their pay. I ran into these guys in Wales, then again in Seattle, and friends worked with them in France, Texas and South Carolina. Seemed like a pretty damned good life to me for 25-30 year old single guys. The trick seemed to be to have great work ethic and throw yourself into the work when you were working, taking overtime, doing the drudge jobs no one else wanted, etc. Then giving a months notice before going off to have fun.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4329.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gat02co","c_root_id_B":"gasuky9","created_at_utc_A":1604248788,"created_at_utc_B":1604245778,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Decisions after school that may seem tempting, but are going to tie you down: 1. Nice car - Don't do it. Drive some shit box that does what you need it to do and doesn't break down. 2. Minimum payment on loans - Honestly, any loans you have are going to be the number one thing to pin you to a job. Student loans are the big ones out the gate, but see #1. 3. Expensive Rent- It's cool to be in the nice part of town with no roommates. However, with #1, it's hard not to commit #2. 4. Nice furniture - I have a friend that wants to hike the continental divide. She has no loans. She has a honda civic. She sleeps in a hammock. The side of the street is your oyster for thrown out end tables and coffee tables. There are futons you can get for $200. 5. Pets - Controversial, but in all reality a cat isn't going to work and its going to be suboptimal if you are on a trip where no one can watch your dog. Avoid things that will pin you down. You can have adventure dogs, but privelaged situations need to happen. Vet bills are also surprise $1000 bills. Beyond that, I'd do 1-2 years after college just to get something on your resume and build up some cash. Experience is also something you can tuck away into a hypothetical bank. It's harder to find \"experienced\" engineers, but entry level engineers are a dime a dozen. ​ All the listed are the sins I've committed. In the words of the animals song, Mother tell your children not to do what I have done.","human_ref_B":"I had a coworker who would work for 2-3 years as a design engineer, saving every penny he could, then take 1-2 years off and travel somewhere to write a local guide for paragliders. China, Chile, Peru, Morocco, etc. He'd come home and find a new job or step back into his previous company when he was down to a few thousand dollars left. He was a very valuable engineer, great work ethic. This meant he could usually come back to a company or at least have a good reference for another job. Totally laid back dude, too. Got along with everyone and could mediate personnel issues between engineers just by being around. I also worked with a group of engineers in Wales who were from Australia, New Zealand and spain. They would all travel together, and when they ran low on money, they would rent a flat where there were large scale aerospace projects that needed engineering contractors and they would all work like crazy for a year or so and bank most of their pay. I ran into these guys in Wales, then again in Seattle, and friends worked with them in France, Texas and South Carolina. Seemed like a pretty damned good life to me for 25-30 year old single guys. The trick seemed to be to have great work ethic and throw yourself into the work when you were working, taking overtime, doing the drudge jobs no one else wanted, etc. Then giving a months notice before going off to have fun.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3010.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gasyfcj","c_root_id_B":"gasnc4o","created_at_utc_A":1604247896,"created_at_utc_B":1604241449,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I think the better question is, how do engineers that have doggos & other responsibilities travel often? I love to visit new places, but having a super cute doggo makes it very hard for me to leave often.","human_ref_B":"You can see a lot of stuff in 10 years. Leave on the Friday of a holiday weekend return the subsequent Sunday. This uses up 4 vacation days. I\u2019ve gone from the east coast of the US to kunming China and tiger leaping gorge using this method. Just learn to get past the exhaustion on day 1. Eat on the schedule of the arrival country. And, this is important, don\u2019t brag at work that you\u2019re doing this! People will question how you can do your job and be able to pull off things like this even if you\u2019re as productive as you normally are. Work might take you places. But traveling for work sucks most of the time. You\u2019re in a awesome place with co workers. If you respect them you can\u2019t really enjoy yourself. Or the other side of the coin where they want to live vicariously through you. But that shit follows you back to the office and your career suffers.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6447.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gasnc4o","c_root_id_B":"gat02co","created_at_utc_A":1604241449,"created_at_utc_B":1604248788,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"You can see a lot of stuff in 10 years. Leave on the Friday of a holiday weekend return the subsequent Sunday. This uses up 4 vacation days. I\u2019ve gone from the east coast of the US to kunming China and tiger leaping gorge using this method. Just learn to get past the exhaustion on day 1. Eat on the schedule of the arrival country. And, this is important, don\u2019t brag at work that you\u2019re doing this! People will question how you can do your job and be able to pull off things like this even if you\u2019re as productive as you normally are. Work might take you places. But traveling for work sucks most of the time. You\u2019re in a awesome place with co workers. If you respect them you can\u2019t really enjoy yourself. Or the other side of the coin where they want to live vicariously through you. But that shit follows you back to the office and your career suffers.","human_ref_B":"Decisions after school that may seem tempting, but are going to tie you down: 1. Nice car - Don't do it. Drive some shit box that does what you need it to do and doesn't break down. 2. Minimum payment on loans - Honestly, any loans you have are going to be the number one thing to pin you to a job. Student loans are the big ones out the gate, but see #1. 3. Expensive Rent- It's cool to be in the nice part of town with no roommates. However, with #1, it's hard not to commit #2. 4. Nice furniture - I have a friend that wants to hike the continental divide. She has no loans. She has a honda civic. She sleeps in a hammock. The side of the street is your oyster for thrown out end tables and coffee tables. There are futons you can get for $200. 5. Pets - Controversial, but in all reality a cat isn't going to work and its going to be suboptimal if you are on a trip where no one can watch your dog. Avoid things that will pin you down. You can have adventure dogs, but privelaged situations need to happen. Vet bills are also surprise $1000 bills. Beyond that, I'd do 1-2 years after college just to get something on your resume and build up some cash. Experience is also something you can tuck away into a hypothetical bank. It's harder to find \"experienced\" engineers, but entry level engineers are a dime a dozen. ​ All the listed are the sins I've committed. In the words of the animals song, Mother tell your children not to do what I have done.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7339.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gat52gn","c_root_id_B":"gasnc4o","created_at_utc_A":1604251457,"created_at_utc_B":1604241449,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I spent my life wandering, I dropped out of HS and moved out of my home when I was 16, moved to another state to live on the couch of a sister I had never met, worked a slew of meaningless jobs while embracing every experience I could get my hands on, joined the military because I needed structure in my life (the multiple attempts to go to college on my own failed). I found a passion for being an electronics technician in the military, got out and worked in a technical job for a couple years until I saw my advancement ceiling because I don't have a degree, left that good job, cashed out my 401, moved home to remodel my mothers house and then I started going to school for the first time in earnest. I Dean's listed my first year during general studies and then transferred to a larger school to pursue an engineering degree. After I graduated, I thought getting a job would be a cake walk since I'm a vet with technical experience background AND now I have a BSME... 4 years now after graduating, I'm working at a company I used to work for (only place I could find a job after >1yr of job searching), I hate where I live, I don't care about my job, I can't afford the house I would want at this stage in my life (early 40s), I don't see how I will ever be happy again. I use to do whatever I wanted, when you're poor and you don't have anything, doing whatever you want is easy. Now that I'm recently married, trying to settle down in my early 40's made me realize how I easily wasted 10-15 years of my life dicking around, not having a goal, going where the wind takes me. Sure I've had some good experiences, but it turns out non of that translates into a better life. Growing up I thought it was dumb that people retire when they are old, who wants to do fun stuff when you're at the end of your life? I've lived in 5 different states, and worked more jobs than an entire Mormon family. I now work 50-60hr\/week and don't know where my life really went to. I use to have hobbies and pursuits I enjoyed. Now I just pay bills in an expensive area I don't want to life. Lesson here is that you need balance in everything you do. We pine away for what we do not have. You are in the prime time to setup your career goals and even lifelong investments (god I wish someone would have given me direction on what to do with money I had in my 20's, why did I sell off my 401 to fund nearly a decade of going to school and not working?). I don't know what the right answer for you will be, but look for the balance, don't just seek the dirty hippy life (unless you want a lifelong commitment to it, and I have friends who have done that and are now just getting real jobs and apartments in their 50s!)","human_ref_B":"You can see a lot of stuff in 10 years. Leave on the Friday of a holiday weekend return the subsequent Sunday. This uses up 4 vacation days. I\u2019ve gone from the east coast of the US to kunming China and tiger leaping gorge using this method. Just learn to get past the exhaustion on day 1. Eat on the schedule of the arrival country. And, this is important, don\u2019t brag at work that you\u2019re doing this! People will question how you can do your job and be able to pull off things like this even if you\u2019re as productive as you normally are. Work might take you places. But traveling for work sucks most of the time. You\u2019re in a awesome place with co workers. If you respect them you can\u2019t really enjoy yourself. Or the other side of the coin where they want to live vicariously through you. But that shit follows you back to the office and your career suffers.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10008.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"jlylgu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Anyone know how to balance engineering with wanting to have uninterrupted periods of adventure in there life? I\u2019m currently in mechanical engineering school and on course to graduate at approximately 25 years of age, I want to be able to live a fairly standard life path of kids and marriage in mid 30s however this leaves very little time to have fun since it takes a while to ramp up a career so if I took the career path I could easily see being 26 or even 27 till I find a job I want to stay in and then having to stay there till I\u2019m 32ish before I\u2019ve ramped up my experience enough to consider supporting a family. This is a problem because I haven\u2019t had very much fun in life so far and have essentially spent the last 4 years commuting to school or work and then doing homework when I get home. I want to have an actual good life that I could tell stories about, I have the skills to do it all, I rock climb at a potentially competitive level, I am pretty good at surfing, I have some mountaineering skills, I teach sailing lessons and I can blacksmith all self taught without anyone friends to have fun with on the way (old ones moved away haven\u2019t had time to make new ones) I feel like I am just gonna go right from college into the 9-5 and I want to have a solid 6-7 year period where instead I go on adventures and have fun for at least a bit before I am a slave to my own responsibilities again for the rest of my life. So what should I do, should I say fuck it and live out of a van climbing in the mountains all day or should I go for career only only ever taste freedom the weekend warrior way?","c_root_id_A":"gat02co","c_root_id_B":"gasyfcj","created_at_utc_A":1604248788,"created_at_utc_B":1604247896,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Decisions after school that may seem tempting, but are going to tie you down: 1. Nice car - Don't do it. Drive some shit box that does what you need it to do and doesn't break down. 2. Minimum payment on loans - Honestly, any loans you have are going to be the number one thing to pin you to a job. Student loans are the big ones out the gate, but see #1. 3. Expensive Rent- It's cool to be in the nice part of town with no roommates. However, with #1, it's hard not to commit #2. 4. Nice furniture - I have a friend that wants to hike the continental divide. She has no loans. She has a honda civic. She sleeps in a hammock. The side of the street is your oyster for thrown out end tables and coffee tables. There are futons you can get for $200. 5. Pets - Controversial, but in all reality a cat isn't going to work and its going to be suboptimal if you are on a trip where no one can watch your dog. Avoid things that will pin you down. You can have adventure dogs, but privelaged situations need to happen. Vet bills are also surprise $1000 bills. Beyond that, I'd do 1-2 years after college just to get something on your resume and build up some cash. Experience is also something you can tuck away into a hypothetical bank. It's harder to find \"experienced\" engineers, but entry level engineers are a dime a dozen. ​ All the listed are the sins I've committed. In the words of the animals song, Mother tell your children not to do what I have done.","human_ref_B":"I think the better question is, how do engineers that have doggos & other responsibilities travel often? I love to visit new places, but having a super cute doggo makes it very hard for me to leave often.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":892.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"em336a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"What calibrates the calibraters? At work we have a company come in that calibrates our lab equipment. They use equipment that is more precise than ours to do so. But how is their equipment calibrated? And so on?","c_root_id_A":"fdm0x1h","c_root_id_B":"fdm1c68","created_at_utc_A":1578537180,"created_at_utc_B":1578537465,"score_A":22,"score_B":386,"human_ref_A":"Calibrator calibrators. Typically there is a different process to perform this calibration. It will vary from device to device. What type of device are you using?","human_ref_B":"This is one of the topics that makes me go squee. In general, this is the notion of \"calibration traceability\". If something has a calibration sticker, this means that there is a chain of successively more accurate instruments connecting it to a standards body's measurement of the appropriate physical constant. In practice in the US, this results in traceability chain that is at most 3 hops between your instrument and the NIST standard. If you really want to nerd out about this kind of thing this book tells you the methods of creating arbitrarily accurate standards of flatness and straightness from nothing. https:\/\/pearl-hifi.com\/06_Lit_Archive\/15_Mfrs_Publications\/Moore_Tools\/Foundations_of_Mechanical_Accuracy.pdf","labels":0,"seconds_difference":285.0,"score_ratio":17.5454545455} +{"post_id":"em336a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"What calibrates the calibraters? At work we have a company come in that calibrates our lab equipment. They use equipment that is more precise than ours to do so. But how is their equipment calibrated? And so on?","c_root_id_A":"fdm6too","c_root_id_B":"fdmbk2h","created_at_utc_A":1578541220,"created_at_utc_B":1578544770,"score_A":25,"score_B":68,"human_ref_A":"In the United States, the National Bureau of Standards got renamed to the National Institute of Standards and Technology, (nist.gov) they are the agency tasked with setting and maintaining the standards we use for everything. They work with all the other standards bodies to coordinate things world wide.","human_ref_B":"I work in the calibration field. We use what\u2019s called a calibration chain to trace all measurement devices back to its ultimate standard. The tire pressure monitor in your car was calibrated by a higher accuracy pressure device at the factory, which was in turn calibrated by a higher accuracy device at some lab and so on and so forth. For each sovereign government, they generally have their own definition of certain units. In the US, the goal is to bring all measurements back to an empirically defined standards - which form the units of the SI. For example, a meter is the distance light travels in a vacuum in 1 3-millionth of a second. Anyone who can build a device that can adequately discern the measurements required to see light at those time scales can build a master length calibrator. As another example: time is based on counts of oscillation of particular atoms (see atomic clocks). The primary units are time, mass, quantity, length, luminescence, temperature, and current. Anything else should be derived from these. So the highest level calibrators are about finding devices that uses the principles of physics to establish these units. Essentially, devices are built to the lowest uncertainty (calibration-speak equivalent of \u201chighest accuracy\u201d) using these fundamental definitions for units to establish the standard for that unit wherein every other measurement in that country or economic area must be governed by. Anyway, hope that helped. edit: messed up the base SI units.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3550.0,"score_ratio":2.72} +{"post_id":"em336a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"What calibrates the calibraters? At work we have a company come in that calibrates our lab equipment. They use equipment that is more precise than ours to do so. But how is their equipment calibrated? And so on?","c_root_id_A":"fdm0x1h","c_root_id_B":"fdmbk2h","created_at_utc_A":1578537180,"created_at_utc_B":1578544770,"score_A":22,"score_B":68,"human_ref_A":"Calibrator calibrators. Typically there is a different process to perform this calibration. It will vary from device to device. What type of device are you using?","human_ref_B":"I work in the calibration field. We use what\u2019s called a calibration chain to trace all measurement devices back to its ultimate standard. The tire pressure monitor in your car was calibrated by a higher accuracy pressure device at the factory, which was in turn calibrated by a higher accuracy device at some lab and so on and so forth. For each sovereign government, they generally have their own definition of certain units. In the US, the goal is to bring all measurements back to an empirically defined standards - which form the units of the SI. For example, a meter is the distance light travels in a vacuum in 1 3-millionth of a second. Anyone who can build a device that can adequately discern the measurements required to see light at those time scales can build a master length calibrator. As another example: time is based on counts of oscillation of particular atoms (see atomic clocks). The primary units are time, mass, quantity, length, luminescence, temperature, and current. Anything else should be derived from these. So the highest level calibrators are about finding devices that uses the principles of physics to establish these units. Essentially, devices are built to the lowest uncertainty (calibration-speak equivalent of \u201chighest accuracy\u201d) using these fundamental definitions for units to establish the standard for that unit wherein every other measurement in that country or economic area must be governed by. Anyway, hope that helped. edit: messed up the base SI units.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7590.0,"score_ratio":3.0909090909} +{"post_id":"em336a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"What calibrates the calibraters? At work we have a company come in that calibrates our lab equipment. They use equipment that is more precise than ours to do so. But how is their equipment calibrated? And so on?","c_root_id_A":"fdmbk2h","c_root_id_B":"fdm1yy3","created_at_utc_A":1578544770,"created_at_utc_B":1578537891,"score_A":68,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I work in the calibration field. We use what\u2019s called a calibration chain to trace all measurement devices back to its ultimate standard. The tire pressure monitor in your car was calibrated by a higher accuracy pressure device at the factory, which was in turn calibrated by a higher accuracy device at some lab and so on and so forth. For each sovereign government, they generally have their own definition of certain units. In the US, the goal is to bring all measurements back to an empirically defined standards - which form the units of the SI. For example, a meter is the distance light travels in a vacuum in 1 3-millionth of a second. Anyone who can build a device that can adequately discern the measurements required to see light at those time scales can build a master length calibrator. As another example: time is based on counts of oscillation of particular atoms (see atomic clocks). The primary units are time, mass, quantity, length, luminescence, temperature, and current. Anything else should be derived from these. So the highest level calibrators are about finding devices that uses the principles of physics to establish these units. Essentially, devices are built to the lowest uncertainty (calibration-speak equivalent of \u201chighest accuracy\u201d) using these fundamental definitions for units to establish the standard for that unit wherein every other measurement in that country or economic area must be governed by. Anyway, hope that helped. edit: messed up the base SI units.","human_ref_B":"I have only watched a few videos, but what I think they would use to calibrate their equipment would be something like Gauge Block which are just blocks that are fabricated to have a very set size. They are usually used to calibrate measuring equipment in machine shops","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6879.0,"score_ratio":13.6} +{"post_id":"em336a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"What calibrates the calibraters? At work we have a company come in that calibrates our lab equipment. They use equipment that is more precise than ours to do so. But how is their equipment calibrated? And so on?","c_root_id_A":"fdm8xby","c_root_id_B":"fdmbk2h","created_at_utc_A":1578542739,"created_at_utc_B":1578544770,"score_A":2,"score_B":68,"human_ref_A":"As many of the comments say we use calibration calibrators. General rule of tumb is you use equipment 10 times more accurate than the device you are calibrating. We have gas meters that we use in test benches and we calibrate them with quality controls gas calibration rig and they calibrate the rig with national institute calibration bech which is the size of a small room.","human_ref_B":"I work in the calibration field. We use what\u2019s called a calibration chain to trace all measurement devices back to its ultimate standard. The tire pressure monitor in your car was calibrated by a higher accuracy pressure device at the factory, which was in turn calibrated by a higher accuracy device at some lab and so on and so forth. For each sovereign government, they generally have their own definition of certain units. In the US, the goal is to bring all measurements back to an empirically defined standards - which form the units of the SI. For example, a meter is the distance light travels in a vacuum in 1 3-millionth of a second. Anyone who can build a device that can adequately discern the measurements required to see light at those time scales can build a master length calibrator. As another example: time is based on counts of oscillation of particular atoms (see atomic clocks). The primary units are time, mass, quantity, length, luminescence, temperature, and current. Anything else should be derived from these. So the highest level calibrators are about finding devices that uses the principles of physics to establish these units. Essentially, devices are built to the lowest uncertainty (calibration-speak equivalent of \u201chighest accuracy\u201d) using these fundamental definitions for units to establish the standard for that unit wherein every other measurement in that country or economic area must be governed by. Anyway, hope that helped. edit: messed up the base SI units.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2031.0,"score_ratio":34.0} +{"post_id":"em336a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"What calibrates the calibraters? At work we have a company come in that calibrates our lab equipment. They use equipment that is more precise than ours to do so. But how is their equipment calibrated? And so on?","c_root_id_A":"fdm957b","c_root_id_B":"fdmbk2h","created_at_utc_A":1578542904,"created_at_utc_B":1578544770,"score_A":2,"score_B":68,"human_ref_A":"'Calibrators' perhaps? The ultimate arbiters of magnitude are the various national standards laboratories . They compare devices measuring fundamental units to the SI standards, in a process known as primary calibration, andthe equipment so proven, along with the table of errors, is known as a secondary standard. see https:\/\/www.npl.co.uk\/calibration for example Those secondary standards can then be taken away and used to calibrate tertiary standards, which is about the best you can hope for as commercial sources, though quaternary ones are more common. The results from tertiary or quaternary standards can carry the label 'traceable to national standards'. It is fundamental to the science of metrology (not meteorology, which is something else) that anything you use as a standard, at any level, must have higher accuracy and resolution than the thing being calibrated. At least twice, though ten times ('an order of magnitude') is preferred. see * https:\/\/www.omega.co.uk\/prodinfo\/calibrators.html","human_ref_B":"I work in the calibration field. We use what\u2019s called a calibration chain to trace all measurement devices back to its ultimate standard. The tire pressure monitor in your car was calibrated by a higher accuracy pressure device at the factory, which was in turn calibrated by a higher accuracy device at some lab and so on and so forth. For each sovereign government, they generally have their own definition of certain units. In the US, the goal is to bring all measurements back to an empirically defined standards - which form the units of the SI. For example, a meter is the distance light travels in a vacuum in 1 3-millionth of a second. Anyone who can build a device that can adequately discern the measurements required to see light at those time scales can build a master length calibrator. As another example: time is based on counts of oscillation of particular atoms (see atomic clocks). The primary units are time, mass, quantity, length, luminescence, temperature, and current. Anything else should be derived from these. So the highest level calibrators are about finding devices that uses the principles of physics to establish these units. Essentially, devices are built to the lowest uncertainty (calibration-speak equivalent of \u201chighest accuracy\u201d) using these fundamental definitions for units to establish the standard for that unit wherein every other measurement in that country or economic area must be governed by. Anyway, hope that helped. edit: messed up the base SI units.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1866.0,"score_ratio":34.0} +{"post_id":"em336a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"What calibrates the calibraters? At work we have a company come in that calibrates our lab equipment. They use equipment that is more precise than ours to do so. But how is their equipment calibrated? And so on?","c_root_id_A":"fdm6too","c_root_id_B":"fdm0x1h","created_at_utc_A":1578541220,"created_at_utc_B":1578537180,"score_A":25,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"In the United States, the National Bureau of Standards got renamed to the National Institute of Standards and Technology, (nist.gov) they are the agency tasked with setting and maintaining the standards we use for everything. They work with all the other standards bodies to coordinate things world wide.","human_ref_B":"Calibrator calibrators. Typically there is a different process to perform this calibration. It will vary from device to device. What type of device are you using?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4040.0,"score_ratio":1.1363636364} +{"post_id":"em336a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"What calibrates the calibraters? At work we have a company come in that calibrates our lab equipment. They use equipment that is more precise than ours to do so. But how is their equipment calibrated? And so on?","c_root_id_A":"fdm1yy3","c_root_id_B":"fdm6too","created_at_utc_A":1578537891,"created_at_utc_B":1578541220,"score_A":5,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"I have only watched a few videos, but what I think they would use to calibrate their equipment would be something like Gauge Block which are just blocks that are fabricated to have a very set size. They are usually used to calibrate measuring equipment in machine shops","human_ref_B":"In the United States, the National Bureau of Standards got renamed to the National Institute of Standards and Technology, (nist.gov) they are the agency tasked with setting and maintaining the standards we use for everything. They work with all the other standards bodies to coordinate things world wide.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3329.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"em336a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"What calibrates the calibraters? At work we have a company come in that calibrates our lab equipment. They use equipment that is more precise than ours to do so. But how is their equipment calibrated? And so on?","c_root_id_A":"fdng644","c_root_id_B":"fdm8xby","created_at_utc_A":1578585109,"created_at_utc_B":1578542739,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"For frequency, it comes from atomic clocks. Which is further used for precise voltage calculation. Look it up, it's fascinating science.","human_ref_B":"As many of the comments say we use calibration calibrators. General rule of tumb is you use equipment 10 times more accurate than the device you are calibrating. We have gas meters that we use in test benches and we calibrate them with quality controls gas calibration rig and they calibrate the rig with national institute calibration bech which is the size of a small room.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":42370.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"em336a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"What calibrates the calibraters? At work we have a company come in that calibrates our lab equipment. They use equipment that is more precise than ours to do so. But how is their equipment calibrated? And so on?","c_root_id_A":"fdng644","c_root_id_B":"fdm957b","created_at_utc_A":1578585109,"created_at_utc_B":1578542904,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"For frequency, it comes from atomic clocks. Which is further used for precise voltage calculation. Look it up, it's fascinating science.","human_ref_B":"'Calibrators' perhaps? The ultimate arbiters of magnitude are the various national standards laboratories . They compare devices measuring fundamental units to the SI standards, in a process known as primary calibration, andthe equipment so proven, along with the table of errors, is known as a secondary standard. see https:\/\/www.npl.co.uk\/calibration for example Those secondary standards can then be taken away and used to calibrate tertiary standards, which is about the best you can hope for as commercial sources, though quaternary ones are more common. The results from tertiary or quaternary standards can carry the label 'traceable to national standards'. It is fundamental to the science of metrology (not meteorology, which is something else) that anything you use as a standard, at any level, must have higher accuracy and resolution than the thing being calibrated. At least twice, though ten times ('an order of magnitude') is preferred. see * https:\/\/www.omega.co.uk\/prodinfo\/calibrators.html","labels":1,"seconds_difference":42205.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"em336a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"What calibrates the calibraters? At work we have a company come in that calibrates our lab equipment. They use equipment that is more precise than ours to do so. But how is their equipment calibrated? And so on?","c_root_id_A":"fdmdy7e","c_root_id_B":"fdng644","created_at_utc_A":1578546785,"created_at_utc_B":1578585109,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The original Calibration machine has a small sample size used to set itself before every testing. This is tested in house after every shift using a CMM (- Computerized measurement machine.) it has a Probe that does the testing. We are not required by law to test it but we do. If there is a major deviation in the result we replace the sample with a new one. ( usually Glass \/ fiber plates ) We order and receive these plates from the Manufacturer of these equipments. Who inturn calibrate our equipment every 6 months. They are tested by some national university. The CMM is calibrated at the start of every shift. Using a it's own calibration tool. It's all done as a part of multi checks. If the new sample is also showing the deviation then there's a problem with the CMM calibration tool. And it has to be replaced. I work at a Precision Measurement Service center. I've just joined them. From my knowledge this is what happens. In my country.","human_ref_B":"For frequency, it comes from atomic clocks. Which is further used for precise voltage calculation. Look it up, it's fascinating science.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":38324.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"em336a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"What calibrates the calibraters? At work we have a company come in that calibrates our lab equipment. They use equipment that is more precise than ours to do so. But how is their equipment calibrated? And so on?","c_root_id_A":"fdmeglz","c_root_id_B":"fdng644","created_at_utc_A":1578547234,"created_at_utc_B":1578585109,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Another related thing I've always wondered is how the definitions for the units and physical standards were chosen in the first place. Like, how do you know that an atomic clock is the most accurate when everything else you've got is worse? How do you even know that the frequency of cesium transitions corresponds to our concept of time? And how do you quantify its accuracy without a known more accurate reference?","human_ref_B":"For frequency, it comes from atomic clocks. Which is further used for precise voltage calculation. Look it up, it's fascinating science.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":37875.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"em336a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"What calibrates the calibraters? At work we have a company come in that calibrates our lab equipment. They use equipment that is more precise than ours to do so. But how is their equipment calibrated? And so on?","c_root_id_A":"fdng644","c_root_id_B":"fdmsnc3","created_at_utc_A":1578585109,"created_at_utc_B":1578563800,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"For frequency, it comes from atomic clocks. Which is further used for precise voltage calculation. Look it up, it's fascinating science.","human_ref_B":"Not technical but along the same topic - I really really enjoyed this book if you're interested: https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Perfectionists-Precision-Engineers-CreatedModern\/dp\/0062652559","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21309.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"em336a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"What calibrates the calibraters? At work we have a company come in that calibrates our lab equipment. They use equipment that is more precise than ours to do so. But how is their equipment calibrated? And so on?","c_root_id_A":"fdng644","c_root_id_B":"fdnf1o2","created_at_utc_A":1578585109,"created_at_utc_B":1578584424,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"For frequency, it comes from atomic clocks. Which is further used for precise voltage calculation. Look it up, it's fascinating science.","human_ref_B":"You have a big lump of metal (platinum I think) and everyone agrees that's a kilogram. The whole world agrees that this is the definition of a kilogram. So you weigh that thing on a scale and adjust until it says a kilogram and your scale is accurate now. This is super Explain like I'm five years old but you get the idea. It's all related to standard definitions of units of measurements","labels":1,"seconds_difference":685.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmf0da","c_root_id_B":"ghmijbp","created_at_utc_A":1609435370,"created_at_utc_B":1609437168,"score_A":39,"score_B":125,"human_ref_A":"Plenty of ergonomic chairs on amazon for under 200 that are decent quality.","human_ref_B":"I strongly recommend checking an office furniture liquidator \/ reseller if you have some local to you. You can often find name brand chairs from Herman Miller, Steelcase, Haworth for a fraction of their street price - plus they're already assembled. If you can stretch up to $250-300 you can often find used examples from the above brands in decent shape and they'll hold up for a long time, replacement parts are cheap and easy to get. If you spend less on something from a big box store its probably a lot more cheaply constructed and won't hold up as long, won't keep your posture as well, and not have easily replacement parts like arm rests, seat cushions, etc. Like others in the comments, I got a loaded Haworth Very Task chair for $250 still in plastic wrap, plus I was able to contact a Haworth service provider and get a replacement arm pad for free after 3 years and the chair is still covered under warranty for years to come.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1798.0,"score_ratio":3.2051282051} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmijbp","c_root_id_B":"ghm8krn","created_at_utc_A":1609437168,"created_at_utc_B":1609432057,"score_A":125,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"I strongly recommend checking an office furniture liquidator \/ reseller if you have some local to you. You can often find name brand chairs from Herman Miller, Steelcase, Haworth for a fraction of their street price - plus they're already assembled. If you can stretch up to $250-300 you can often find used examples from the above brands in decent shape and they'll hold up for a long time, replacement parts are cheap and easy to get. If you spend less on something from a big box store its probably a lot more cheaply constructed and won't hold up as long, won't keep your posture as well, and not have easily replacement parts like arm rests, seat cushions, etc. Like others in the comments, I got a loaded Haworth Very Task chair for $250 still in plastic wrap, plus I was able to contact a Haworth service provider and get a replacement arm pad for free after 3 years and the chair is still covered under warranty for years to come.","human_ref_B":"I use the Markus from Ikea, it gets recommended a fair amount on the PC building subreddits. I've had it for a few years, no real complaints, and I've been working in it full-time since March. It is a pretty tall back, I'm 6' and my head sits pretty squarely on the headrest, but that's not really an issue, just an FYI that it's quite tall.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5111.0,"score_ratio":4.8076923077} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmijbp","c_root_id_B":"ghm819v","created_at_utc_A":1609437168,"created_at_utc_B":1609431769,"score_A":125,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"I strongly recommend checking an office furniture liquidator \/ reseller if you have some local to you. You can often find name brand chairs from Herman Miller, Steelcase, Haworth for a fraction of their street price - plus they're already assembled. If you can stretch up to $250-300 you can often find used examples from the above brands in decent shape and they'll hold up for a long time, replacement parts are cheap and easy to get. If you spend less on something from a big box store its probably a lot more cheaply constructed and won't hold up as long, won't keep your posture as well, and not have easily replacement parts like arm rests, seat cushions, etc. Like others in the comments, I got a loaded Haworth Very Task chair for $250 still in plastic wrap, plus I was able to contact a Haworth service provider and get a replacement arm pad for free after 3 years and the chair is still covered under warranty for years to come.","human_ref_B":"Contrarian perhaps, but I prefer to sit on the edge of a hard stool. Keeps my back and core engaged instead of sinking into a chair.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5399.0,"score_ratio":7.8125} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmijbp","c_root_id_B":"ghme2uw","created_at_utc_A":1609437168,"created_at_utc_B":1609434899,"score_A":125,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I strongly recommend checking an office furniture liquidator \/ reseller if you have some local to you. You can often find name brand chairs from Herman Miller, Steelcase, Haworth for a fraction of their street price - plus they're already assembled. If you can stretch up to $250-300 you can often find used examples from the above brands in decent shape and they'll hold up for a long time, replacement parts are cheap and easy to get. If you spend less on something from a big box store its probably a lot more cheaply constructed and won't hold up as long, won't keep your posture as well, and not have easily replacement parts like arm rests, seat cushions, etc. Like others in the comments, I got a loaded Haworth Very Task chair for $250 still in plastic wrap, plus I was able to contact a Haworth service provider and get a replacement arm pad for free after 3 years and the chair is still covered under warranty for years to come.","human_ref_B":"Hyken from Staples.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2269.0,"score_ratio":41.6666666667} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghm8krn","c_root_id_B":"ghmf0da","created_at_utc_A":1609432057,"created_at_utc_B":1609435370,"score_A":26,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"I use the Markus from Ikea, it gets recommended a fair amount on the PC building subreddits. I've had it for a few years, no real complaints, and I've been working in it full-time since March. It is a pretty tall back, I'm 6' and my head sits pretty squarely on the headrest, but that's not really an issue, just an FYI that it's quite tall.","human_ref_B":"Plenty of ergonomic chairs on amazon for under 200 that are decent quality.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3313.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghm819v","c_root_id_B":"ghmf0da","created_at_utc_A":1609431769,"created_at_utc_B":1609435370,"score_A":16,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"Contrarian perhaps, but I prefer to sit on the edge of a hard stool. Keeps my back and core engaged instead of sinking into a chair.","human_ref_B":"Plenty of ergonomic chairs on amazon for under 200 that are decent quality.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3601.0,"score_ratio":2.4375} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghme2uw","c_root_id_B":"ghmf0da","created_at_utc_A":1609434899,"created_at_utc_B":1609435370,"score_A":3,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"Hyken from Staples.","human_ref_B":"Plenty of ergonomic chairs on amazon for under 200 that are decent quality.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":471.0,"score_ratio":13.0} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmp714","c_root_id_B":"ghmo2m0","created_at_utc_A":1609440597,"created_at_utc_B":1609440017,"score_A":36,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"Herman Miller Aeron. I had been having headaches for months before I realized it was probably my $60 Staples home office chair. I snagged my Herman Miller from work and my back\/neck pains have gone away. To anyone who needs to hear it: don't underestimate the importance of a good office chair!","human_ref_B":"Working at a standing desk at home has been amazing, so for about 90% of the time I don\u2019t use any chairs. 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Consider mesh if you're in a hot environment vs. leather (butt sweat), but don't buy cheap mesh bc it turns to goop after 6 months as does cheap foam padding. At the beginning of the fall I bought a gaming style chair for $150. It's been great for me, very comfy, 'leather' seems like it'll last a while, and I really need a full head-rest (not a stick on top one).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmsuyg","c_root_id_B":"ghmtgvj","created_at_utc_A":1609442530,"created_at_utc_B":1609442853,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Have you asked your company about expensing some or most of the cost? I bought a Steel case Leap V2 and my company paid for it. To be fair, I found a big furniture liquidation store locally that had them in stock. They buy them out of big companies who close down and resell them. It is a $1000 chair that I got for $600 the was virtually brand new. I know that is still pricey but I spend 10+ hours a day seated so it's really a no brainer. 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Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmtgvj","c_root_id_B":"ghme2uw","created_at_utc_A":1609442853,"created_at_utc_B":1609434899,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Steelcase Leap V2","human_ref_B":"Hyken from Staples.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7954.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmtgvj","c_root_id_B":"ghmpoun","created_at_utc_A":1609442853,"created_at_utc_B":1609440857,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Steelcase Leap V2","human_ref_B":"I use a standing desk I made from a folding ladder and two boards.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1996.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmtgvj","c_root_id_B":"ghms95z","created_at_utc_A":1609442853,"created_at_utc_B":1609442208,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Steelcase Leap V2","human_ref_B":"Most office chairs are trash unless you invest big bucks or slightly less big bucks if you buy used. Unless you pay $400-$500+ you won\u2019t have all of the adjustments that are actually needed to be ergonomic. When you looks through chairs everyone is missing 1-2 unless you get the quality office chairs. Unfortunately buying used is not that easy right now because seems like most of the stock was bought up. The Miller Aeron is the best chair hands down","labels":1,"seconds_difference":645.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmphr8","c_root_id_B":"ghmth0y","created_at_utc_A":1609440754,"created_at_utc_B":1609442855,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Herman Miller Embody *adjusts monocle* (I got a good deal on it)","human_ref_B":"GamersNexus on youtube just released a huge and informative video comparing traditional office chairs to 'gaming' chairs: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=9Yhc6mmdJC4 Their main takeaway is that you need to find a chair that fits you well, check the dimensions of your body and the chair and make sure they're compatible. Consider mesh if you're in a hot environment vs. leather (butt sweat), but don't buy cheap mesh bc it turns to goop after 6 months as does cheap foam padding. At the beginning of the fall I bought a gaming style chair for $150. It's been great for me, very comfy, 'leather' seems like it'll last a while, and I really need a full head-rest (not a stick on top one).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2101.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghme2uw","c_root_id_B":"ghmphr8","created_at_utc_A":1609434899,"created_at_utc_B":1609440754,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Hyken from Staples.","human_ref_B":"Herman Miller Embody *adjusts monocle* (I got a good deal on it)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5855.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmsuyg","c_root_id_B":"ghmth0y","created_at_utc_A":1609442530,"created_at_utc_B":1609442855,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Have you asked your company about expensing some or most of the cost? I bought a Steel case Leap V2 and my company paid for it. To be fair, I found a big furniture liquidation store locally that had them in stock. They buy them out of big companies who close down and resell them. It is a $1000 chair that I got for $600 the was virtually brand new. I know that is still pricey but I spend 10+ hours a day seated so it's really a no brainer. It's the most comfortable chair I've ever used and I can sit in it all day.","human_ref_B":"GamersNexus on youtube just released a huge and informative video comparing traditional office chairs to 'gaming' chairs: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=9Yhc6mmdJC4 Their main takeaway is that you need to find a chair that fits you well, check the dimensions of your body and the chair and make sure they're compatible. Consider mesh if you're in a hot environment vs. leather (butt sweat), but don't buy cheap mesh bc it turns to goop after 6 months as does cheap foam padding. At the beginning of the fall I bought a gaming style chair for $150. 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Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghme2uw","c_root_id_B":"ghmth0y","created_at_utc_A":1609434899,"created_at_utc_B":1609442855,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Hyken from Staples.","human_ref_B":"GamersNexus on youtube just released a huge and informative video comparing traditional office chairs to 'gaming' chairs: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=9Yhc6mmdJC4 Their main takeaway is that you need to find a chair that fits you well, check the dimensions of your body and the chair and make sure they're compatible. Consider mesh if you're in a hot environment vs. leather (butt sweat), but don't buy cheap mesh bc it turns to goop after 6 months as does cheap foam padding. At the beginning of the fall I bought a gaming style chair for $150. 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Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmth0y","c_root_id_B":"ghmpoun","created_at_utc_A":1609442855,"created_at_utc_B":1609440857,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"GamersNexus on youtube just released a huge and informative video comparing traditional office chairs to 'gaming' chairs: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=9Yhc6mmdJC4 Their main takeaway is that you need to find a chair that fits you well, check the dimensions of your body and the chair and make sure they're compatible. Consider mesh if you're in a hot environment vs. leather (butt sweat), but don't buy cheap mesh bc it turns to goop after 6 months as does cheap foam padding. At the beginning of the fall I bought a gaming style chair for $150. 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Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmth0y","c_root_id_B":"ghms95z","created_at_utc_A":1609442855,"created_at_utc_B":1609442208,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"GamersNexus on youtube just released a huge and informative video comparing traditional office chairs to 'gaming' chairs: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=9Yhc6mmdJC4 Their main takeaway is that you need to find a chair that fits you well, check the dimensions of your body and the chair and make sure they're compatible. Consider mesh if you're in a hot environment vs. leather (butt sweat), but don't buy cheap mesh bc it turns to goop after 6 months as does cheap foam padding. At the beginning of the fall I bought a gaming style chair for $150. 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I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmsuyg","c_root_id_B":"ghn0l4k","created_at_utc_A":1609442530,"created_at_utc_B":1609446671,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Have you asked your company about expensing some or most of the cost? I bought a Steel case Leap V2 and my company paid for it. To be fair, I found a big furniture liquidation store locally that had them in stock. They buy them out of big companies who close down and resell them. It is a $1000 chair that I got for $600 the was virtually brand new. I know that is still pricey but I spend 10+ hours a day seated so it's really a no brainer. It's the most comfortable chair I've ever used and I can sit in it all day.","human_ref_B":"Its twice what you asked for... But get a used Aeron chair (Herman Miller). After spending a decade sitting in them at work, I finally got one for my home PC, and its totally worth the money. Normally like $1200, you can find used one son craigslist everywhere for about $400. Love my chair. No sweaty\/stinky\/hot fake leather of fabric that collects your farts for years.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4141.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghn0l4k","c_root_id_B":"ghme2uw","created_at_utc_A":1609446671,"created_at_utc_B":1609434899,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Its twice what you asked for... But get a used Aeron chair (Herman Miller). After spending a decade sitting in them at work, I finally got one for my home PC, and its totally worth the money. Normally like $1200, you can find used one son craigslist everywhere for about $400. Love my chair. 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Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmsuyg","c_root_id_B":"ghmwf0o","created_at_utc_A":1609442530,"created_at_utc_B":1609444429,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Have you asked your company about expensing some or most of the cost? I bought a Steel case Leap V2 and my company paid for it. To be fair, I found a big furniture liquidation store locally that had them in stock. They buy them out of big companies who close down and resell them. It is a $1000 chair that I got for $600 the was virtually brand new. I know that is still pricey but I spend 10+ hours a day seated so it's really a no brainer. It's the most comfortable chair I've ever used and I can sit in it all day.","human_ref_B":"Do NOT go to Staples. Do NOT go to Walmart. Do NOT go on Amazon. Do NOT go to IKEA. Go to a used office furniture store and buy a used office chair. The key word in this is *office furniture*, not the cheap Chinese shit you find at regular retailers. This is professional-grade stuff. And I suggest you actually go sit in one in real life because even a nice, high quality unit might not fit your particular body type as well as another one. I know we live in the time of COVID so in-person shopping is more difficult. Office furniture costs a good bit of money, but it costs that because there has been a good deal of thought was put into the ergonomics and it is well built, lasts and offers support that you won't find in the stuff that costs $100. You can buy new, of course, but a good new office chair could easily be north of $500. Some well into 4-figures. Used ones are a lot less. One feature everyone should look for is one where the chair structure moves with you when you move around and lean forward. Some companies call it \"anti-gravity\" or \"free float\" or other funky names, but in essence the chair is spring loaded against your weight so when you are sitting in it, its counteracting your weight. If you lean forward the chair actually moves forward with you and still supports your back. It is a little disconcerting at first because you think you will be catapulted off the chair, but is an amazing feature when it comes to posture. Now I fully understand that most people will not do what I suggest and instead will buy some cheapo $150 chair from Staples, they'll keep it for a few years, it will wear away prematurely, and then in 3, 4 or 5 years they will replace it and do this process all over again. What they aren't seeing is that in that timeframe, they are probably negatively affecting their posture. Think of chairs like a nice set of headphones. You can keep on buying shitty $20 units and replace them every 6 or 12 months, or spend the money and get something with actual quality. That first pair of nice headphones is usually a revelation to those who have used shitty ones all their life. And in the end, a pair of nice headphones will actually save you money in the end even if initially they cost a lot more.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1899.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmwf0o","c_root_id_B":"ghme2uw","created_at_utc_A":1609444429,"created_at_utc_B":1609434899,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Do NOT go to Staples. Do NOT go to Walmart. Do NOT go on Amazon. Do NOT go to IKEA. Go to a used office furniture store and buy a used office chair. The key word in this is *office furniture*, not the cheap Chinese shit you find at regular retailers. This is professional-grade stuff. And I suggest you actually go sit in one in real life because even a nice, high quality unit might not fit your particular body type as well as another one. I know we live in the time of COVID so in-person shopping is more difficult. Office furniture costs a good bit of money, but it costs that because there has been a good deal of thought was put into the ergonomics and it is well built, lasts and offers support that you won't find in the stuff that costs $100. You can buy new, of course, but a good new office chair could easily be north of $500. Some well into 4-figures. Used ones are a lot less. One feature everyone should look for is one where the chair structure moves with you when you move around and lean forward. Some companies call it \"anti-gravity\" or \"free float\" or other funky names, but in essence the chair is spring loaded against your weight so when you are sitting in it, its counteracting your weight. If you lean forward the chair actually moves forward with you and still supports your back. It is a little disconcerting at first because you think you will be catapulted off the chair, but is an amazing feature when it comes to posture. Now I fully understand that most people will not do what I suggest and instead will buy some cheapo $150 chair from Staples, they'll keep it for a few years, it will wear away prematurely, and then in 3, 4 or 5 years they will replace it and do this process all over again. What they aren't seeing is that in that timeframe, they are probably negatively affecting their posture. Think of chairs like a nice set of headphones. You can keep on buying shitty $20 units and replace them every 6 or 12 months, or spend the money and get something with actual quality. That first pair of nice headphones is usually a revelation to those who have used shitty ones all their life. And in the end, a pair of nice headphones will actually save you money in the end even if initially they cost a lot more.","human_ref_B":"Hyken from Staples.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9530.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghmpoun","c_root_id_B":"ghmwf0o","created_at_utc_A":1609440857,"created_at_utc_B":1609444429,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I use a standing desk I made from a folding ladder and two boards.","human_ref_B":"Do NOT go to Staples. Do NOT go to Walmart. Do NOT go on Amazon. Do NOT go to IKEA. Go to a used office furniture store and buy a used office chair. The key word in this is *office furniture*, not the cheap Chinese shit you find at regular retailers. This is professional-grade stuff. And I suggest you actually go sit in one in real life because even a nice, high quality unit might not fit your particular body type as well as another one. I know we live in the time of COVID so in-person shopping is more difficult. Office furniture costs a good bit of money, but it costs that because there has been a good deal of thought was put into the ergonomics and it is well built, lasts and offers support that you won't find in the stuff that costs $100. You can buy new, of course, but a good new office chair could easily be north of $500. Some well into 4-figures. Used ones are a lot less. One feature everyone should look for is one where the chair structure moves with you when you move around and lean forward. Some companies call it \"anti-gravity\" or \"free float\" or other funky names, but in essence the chair is spring loaded against your weight so when you are sitting in it, its counteracting your weight. If you lean forward the chair actually moves forward with you and still supports your back. It is a little disconcerting at first because you think you will be catapulted off the chair, but is an amazing feature when it comes to posture. Now I fully understand that most people will not do what I suggest and instead will buy some cheapo $150 chair from Staples, they'll keep it for a few years, it will wear away prematurely, and then in 3, 4 or 5 years they will replace it and do this process all over again. What they aren't seeing is that in that timeframe, they are probably negatively affecting their posture. Think of chairs like a nice set of headphones. You can keep on buying shitty $20 units and replace them every 6 or 12 months, or spend the money and get something with actual quality. That first pair of nice headphones is usually a revelation to those who have used shitty ones all their life. And in the end, a pair of nice headphones will actually save you money in the end even if initially they cost a lot more.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3572.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"knsoje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I wanted to ask my fellow engineers what kind of office chairs they use while working from home? I was laid off from April until October when I started my new job remotely. I never realized how horrible my home office chair was until I started putting 8 hours a day on it. I\u2019m looking to spend sub 200 on a new home office chair. I was curious if any of you had good recommendations for chairs that are inexpensive but also ergonomic to get the job done every day. Some other info, I\u2019m 5\u20197\u201d and weigh 160lbs.","c_root_id_A":"ghms95z","c_root_id_B":"ghmwf0o","created_at_utc_A":1609442208,"created_at_utc_B":1609444429,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Most office chairs are trash unless you invest big bucks or slightly less big bucks if you buy used. Unless you pay $400-$500+ you won\u2019t have all of the adjustments that are actually needed to be ergonomic. When you looks through chairs everyone is missing 1-2 unless you get the quality office chairs. Unfortunately buying used is not that easy right now because seems like most of the stock was bought up. The Miller Aeron is the best chair hands down","human_ref_B":"Do NOT go to Staples. Do NOT go to Walmart. Do NOT go on Amazon. Do NOT go to IKEA. Go to a used office furniture store and buy a used office chair. The key word in this is *office furniture*, not the cheap Chinese shit you find at regular retailers. This is professional-grade stuff. And I suggest you actually go sit in one in real life because even a nice, high quality unit might not fit your particular body type as well as another one. I know we live in the time of COVID so in-person shopping is more difficult. Office furniture costs a good bit of money, but it costs that because there has been a good deal of thought was put into the ergonomics and it is well built, lasts and offers support that you won't find in the stuff that costs $100. You can buy new, of course, but a good new office chair could easily be north of $500. Some well into 4-figures. Used ones are a lot less. One feature everyone should look for is one where the chair structure moves with you when you move around and lean forward. Some companies call it \"anti-gravity\" or \"free float\" or other funky names, but in essence the chair is spring loaded against your weight so when you are sitting in it, its counteracting your weight. If you lean forward the chair actually moves forward with you and still supports your back. It is a little disconcerting at first because you think you will be catapulted off the chair, but is an amazing feature when it comes to posture. Now I fully understand that most people will not do what I suggest and instead will buy some cheapo $150 chair from Staples, they'll keep it for a few years, it will wear away prematurely, and then in 3, 4 or 5 years they will replace it and do this process all over again. What they aren't seeing is that in that timeframe, they are probably negatively affecting their posture. Think of chairs like a nice set of headphones. You can keep on buying shitty $20 units and replace them every 6 or 12 months, or spend the money and get something with actual quality. That first pair of nice headphones is usually a revelation to those who have used shitty ones all their life. And in the end, a pair of nice headphones will actually save you money in the end even if initially they cost a lot more.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2221.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyygv8w","c_root_id_B":"dyyh26h","created_at_utc_A":1526303589,"created_at_utc_B":1526303830,"score_A":21,"score_B":270,"human_ref_A":"Thinking in Systems: A Primer by Donella H. Meadows","human_ref_B":"On Food and Cooking by Harold McGee, because I have to eat and I want it to taste good too. It isn\u2019t a recipe book, it explains what the process of cooking is and how it applies to different types of foods.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":241.0,"score_ratio":12.8571428571} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyyhkbx","c_root_id_B":"dyygv8w","created_at_utc_A":1526304431,"created_at_utc_B":1526303589,"score_A":119,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"How things Work: a Universal Encyclopedia of Machines (might have a slightly different title in US) Layman's descriptions and diagrams of dozens of different machines and processes, from washing machines to rubber manufacture to rockets. Written in the 70s, so some stuff is out of date.","human_ref_B":"Thinking in Systems: A Primer by Donella H. Meadows","labels":1,"seconds_difference":842.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyygv8w","c_root_id_B":"dyykegg","created_at_utc_A":1526303589,"created_at_utc_B":1526307526,"score_A":21,"score_B":104,"human_ref_A":"Thinking in Systems: A Primer by Donella H. Meadows","human_ref_B":"*The Design of Everyday Things*, probably for how to design things for humans to interact with.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3937.0,"score_ratio":4.9523809524} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? 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Outsiders are definitely not allowed to play.\"-Michael Crichton, AIRFRAME Great fiction book the explores ethicality of engineering and other aspects of technology production.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":628.0,"score_ratio":2.5294117647} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyymi1c","c_root_id_B":"dyylhtq","created_at_utc_A":1526309578,"created_at_utc_B":1526308626,"score_A":43,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"\"They're engineers, emotionally, they're all thirteen year old, stuck at the age just before boys stop playing with toys, because they've discovered girls. They're all still playing with toys. They have poor social skills, dress badly but they're extremely intelligent and well trained, and they are arrogant in their way. Outsiders are definitely not allowed to play.\"-Michael Crichton, AIRFRAME Great fiction book the explores ethicality of engineering and other aspects of technology production.","human_ref_B":"I'm not really a big reader when it comes to books in general, but, I would recommend reading pretty much anything in the military leadership section from an officer that commanded a ship. They typically teach you how to listen to folks around you who know more about a specific situation than you do, so you can ask the right questions, and make a decision, or even just make the decision to defer to them. They typically also teach you how to look at a decision as more than just a decision, and try and foresee anything that might go wrong with the decision that you are making, as any decision they make could end up costing those under you, their lives. Follow that up with a book on the Ford Pinto. Everyone wants to make a decision, or go with the flow, a good engineer will sit there and tell someone above them \"No, this is dangerous.\" or \"We (I) have made a mistake and we need to get this resolved as quickly as possible.\" Lastly any book that deals with economy\/business practices so you can work better with Project Management at both your future company and the other companies you will end up working with. Often times you'll end up in situations where an issue doesn't get fixed for months because folks are squabbling over who is going to pay for this one issue, while other issues amass behind it, cascading the issues. I can't tell you the number of times I've been in that situation where I have solved an issue for 2 other vendors, and then in the follow up meeting it ends up being a \"I took care of xyz for you, please go ahead and address problem \"A\".\" and it works.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":952.0,"score_ratio":3.5833333333} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyynw6v","c_root_id_B":"dyygv8w","created_at_utc_A":1526310896,"created_at_utc_B":1526303589,"score_A":39,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Steven Covey: The 7 habits of highly effective people. Mostly about interpersonal skills. Most engineers are really smart. 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If only they understood the social context of their role in an office or organization, and knew how to understand other people\/managers, they could be a lot more successful in ascending management.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":528.0,"score_ratio":2.6} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyylhtq","c_root_id_B":"dyynw6v","created_at_utc_A":1526308626,"created_at_utc_B":1526310896,"score_A":12,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"I'm not really a big reader when it comes to books in general, but, I would recommend reading pretty much anything in the military leadership section from an officer that commanded a ship. They typically teach you how to listen to folks around you who know more about a specific situation than you do, so you can ask the right questions, and make a decision, or even just make the decision to defer to them. They typically also teach you how to look at a decision as more than just a decision, and try and foresee anything that might go wrong with the decision that you are making, as any decision they make could end up costing those under you, their lives. Follow that up with a book on the Ford Pinto. Everyone wants to make a decision, or go with the flow, a good engineer will sit there and tell someone above them \"No, this is dangerous.\" or \"We (I) have made a mistake and we need to get this resolved as quickly as possible.\" Lastly any book that deals with economy\/business practices so you can work better with Project Management at both your future company and the other companies you will end up working with. Often times you'll end up in situations where an issue doesn't get fixed for months because folks are squabbling over who is going to pay for this one issue, while other issues amass behind it, cascading the issues. I can't tell you the number of times I've been in that situation where I have solved an issue for 2 other vendors, and then in the follow up meeting it ends up being a \"I took care of xyz for you, please go ahead and address problem \"A\".\" and it works.","human_ref_B":"Steven Covey: The 7 habits of highly effective people. Mostly about interpersonal skills. Most engineers are really smart. 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Everyone wants to make a decision, or go with the flow, a good engineer will sit there and tell someone above them \"No, this is dangerous.\" or \"We (I) have made a mistake and we need to get this resolved as quickly as possible.\" Lastly any book that deals with economy\/business practices so you can work better with Project Management at both your future company and the other companies you will end up working with. Often times you'll end up in situations where an issue doesn't get fixed for months because folks are squabbling over who is going to pay for this one issue, while other issues amass behind it, cascading the issues. I can't tell you the number of times I've been in that situation where I have solved an issue for 2 other vendors, and then in the follow up meeting it ends up being a \"I took care of xyz for you, please go ahead and address problem \"A\".\" and it works.","human_ref_B":"Crane technical manual #410....flow thru pipe, valves, and fittings. Have used this for 15yrs for basic fluids problem or design.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2370.0,"score_ratio":2.75} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyyo02u","c_root_id_B":"dyynbdw","created_at_utc_A":1526310996,"created_at_utc_B":1526310351,"score_A":33,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Crane technical manual #410....flow thru pipe, valves, and fittings. Have used this for 15yrs for basic fluids problem or design.","human_ref_B":"Bosch Automotive Handbook 48 Laws of Power","labels":1,"seconds_difference":645.0,"score_ratio":3.3} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? 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Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","human_ref_B":"Space Vehicle Mechanisms By Peter L. Conley Machinery\u2019s Handbook By Erik Oberg","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27915.0,"score_ratio":1.1333333333} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? 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Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","human_ref_B":"How to talk to anyone, by Lowndes. Great tips for breaking the ice and generally playing the social game in a work setting.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25481.0,"score_ratio":1.2142857143} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyylhtq","c_root_id_B":"dyzhouy","created_at_utc_A":1526308626,"created_at_utc_B":1526338283,"score_A":12,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"I'm not really a big reader when it comes to books in general, but, I would recommend reading pretty much anything in the military leadership section from an officer that commanded a ship. They typically teach you how to listen to folks around you who know more about a specific situation than you do, so you can ask the right questions, and make a decision, or even just make the decision to defer to them. They typically also teach you how to look at a decision as more than just a decision, and try and foresee anything that might go wrong with the decision that you are making, as any decision they make could end up costing those under you, their lives. Follow that up with a book on the Ford Pinto. Everyone wants to make a decision, or go with the flow, a good engineer will sit there and tell someone above them \"No, this is dangerous.\" or \"We (I) have made a mistake and we need to get this resolved as quickly as possible.\" Lastly any book that deals with economy\/business practices so you can work better with Project Management at both your future company and the other companies you will end up working with. Often times you'll end up in situations where an issue doesn't get fixed for months because folks are squabbling over who is going to pay for this one issue, while other issues amass behind it, cascading the issues. I can't tell you the number of times I've been in that situation where I have solved an issue for 2 other vendors, and then in the follow up meeting it ends up being a \"I took care of xyz for you, please go ahead and address problem \"A\".\" and it works.","human_ref_B":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29657.0,"score_ratio":1.4166666667} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyzhouy","c_root_id_B":"dyynbdw","created_at_utc_A":1526338283,"created_at_utc_B":1526310351,"score_A":17,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","human_ref_B":"Bosch Automotive Handbook 48 Laws of Power","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27932.0,"score_ratio":1.7} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyzhouy","c_root_id_B":"dyyv54o","created_at_utc_A":1526338283,"created_at_utc_B":1526317498,"score_A":17,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","human_ref_B":"Kuhn's *The Structure of Scientific Revolutions*, Feyerabend's *Against Method*, and Lakoff and Nu\u00f1ez's *Where Mathematics Comes From* all helped me understand the work on which engineering is built. When you stand on the shoulders of giants, so to speak, it's important to know about the occasional sciatica or slipped disc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20785.0,"score_ratio":1.7} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyynsu3","c_root_id_B":"dyzhouy","created_at_utc_A":1526310808,"created_at_utc_B":1526338283,"score_A":8,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"\"Internal Combustion Engine Fundamentals\" by John B Heywood. It is my bible, and I study it religiously :)","human_ref_B":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27475.0,"score_ratio":2.125} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyz37gv","c_root_id_B":"dyzhouy","created_at_utc_A":1526324697,"created_at_utc_B":1526338283,"score_A":7,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Perry\u2019s Chemical Engineers\u2019 Handbook - it may seem massive and indigestible, but while it may not solve ever problem, each section is a great primer on understanding a topic.","human_ref_B":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13586.0,"score_ratio":2.4285714286} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyz5psm","c_root_id_B":"dyzhouy","created_at_utc_A":1526326939,"created_at_utc_B":1526338283,"score_A":6,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"\"cradle to cradle: remaking the way we make things\". great book, questions and redesigns the fundamental aspects of our commercial supply system. ie its inefficient to dig stuff up, make complicated things out of that stuff then bury it again.","human_ref_B":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11344.0,"score_ratio":2.8333333333} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyywtmh","c_root_id_B":"dyzhouy","created_at_utc_A":1526318989,"created_at_utc_B":1526338283,"score_A":5,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Similar to \/u\/StrawberryLarry's suggestion, read any book by Richard Feynman. His philosophy of seeing for yourself and intellectual rigor and amazing. His writings probably influenced the way I approach engineering more than any other factor.","human_ref_B":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19294.0,"score_ratio":3.4} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyzhouy","c_root_id_B":"dyyx1j6","created_at_utc_A":1526338283,"created_at_utc_B":1526319182,"score_A":17,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","human_ref_B":"Miracle of Mindfulness for when shit gets heckin stressful. Still have a bunch of quotes in there that I try to live by. My favorite is \"wash the dishes to wash the dishes. Don't wash the dishes to drink your tea\". EDIT: Also the Mechanisms and Mechanical Devices Sourcebook has a ton of really neat mechanisms to see how things work. I've used it many times when I know what I want something to do, but don't know how to do it (like a quick release, toggle clamp, fast retract, or rotary-to-linear motion)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19101.0,"score_ratio":2.8333333333} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyyxdgi","c_root_id_B":"dyzhouy","created_at_utc_A":1526319473,"created_at_utc_B":1526338283,"score_A":5,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"The little book of calm","human_ref_B":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18810.0,"score_ratio":3.4} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyzhouy","c_root_id_B":"dyytgf9","created_at_utc_A":1526338283,"created_at_utc_B":1526315995,"score_A":17,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","human_ref_B":"Mover Of Men and Mountains by R. G. LeTourneau","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22288.0,"score_ratio":4.25} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyzhouy","c_root_id_B":"dyywl7g","created_at_utc_A":1526338283,"created_at_utc_B":1526318781,"score_A":17,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","human_ref_B":"Essential scrum was pretty useful for project management.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19502.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyywoah","c_root_id_B":"dyzhouy","created_at_utc_A":1526318857,"created_at_utc_B":1526338283,"score_A":3,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"A Beer A Day","human_ref_B":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19426.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyzhouy","c_root_id_B":"dyz8i0x","created_at_utc_A":1526338283,"created_at_utc_B":1526329435,"score_A":17,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","human_ref_B":"Google \"The Unwritten Laws of Engineering\". It's a short read and gets to the point of some non-technical aspects of being a good engineer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8848.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyzcek4","c_root_id_B":"dyzhouy","created_at_utc_A":1526333047,"created_at_utc_B":1526338283,"score_A":3,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"*Set phasers to stun* An anthology of engineering mishaps many stemmed from ethics, but some with interface design. It stick in my head whenever I make a screen for a project.","human_ref_B":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5236.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyzdkii","c_root_id_B":"dyzhouy","created_at_utc_A":1526334141,"created_at_utc_B":1526338283,"score_A":3,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie, hands\\-down. Surprised this wasn't posted already","human_ref_B":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4142.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyzf02q","c_root_id_B":"dyzhouy","created_at_utc_A":1526335535,"created_at_utc_B":1526338283,"score_A":3,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"I'm going to break from the trend here. Engineer to Win by Carroll Smith. Easy to read, practical, well illustrated, and SHORT.","human_ref_B":"Calculus by James Stewart, odds are if you are an engineer you will have to deal with this on a daily basis or a weekly basis, regardless of that calculus is a great instrument for life. Please learn it yourself and don't rely on online calculators until you are fully pro\\-efficient at it \\(advice I wish i gave myself when I learnt it\\). Introduction to Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Again with any engineering you are likely to need systems of equations, whether it be for machine learning, multiple systems at work, or just about anything that requires many components. Note for this book there is the MIT OpenCourseWare that you can check out for free. This comes with hw problems, due dates, chapters to read, and online videos. Truly helpful. Introduction to algorithms, the mit press, cambridge massachusetts, by Thomas H. Cormen. This book will be something to live by if you are a computer science major \\(apart from the previous two\\) because it will teach you about algorithms, the logic behind them. How to find the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, the average case scenario and just about everything about an algorithm. Apart from this it will teach you about data structures, optimization, searching, sorting, binary trees, trees, hashing, etc... just about anything that comes with the logic behind a computer algorithm and how they work. This also has some code so you can replicate it and test it yourself or implement it on something you are working on. Field and Wave Electromagnetics by David K. Cheng. This book is pretty much for electrical engineering but it helps you understand calculus in a whole new way for real world scenarios, apart from that you will have never known \"real\" calculus until you saw this. Its great because it will get your brain to do more complex things, it will push you to new boundaries of thinking and get you to understand how magnets, electricity, dipoles, waves, eddy currents, inductors, capacitors, etc, work in a physical level with real math and physics to back them up. If you are a mechanical or aerospace engineer I would highly recommend anything with statics and dynamics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics\/fluid dynamics. Finally I would also cover something with statistics and probabilities. This will take a while to cover but let me tell you, you will be the best engineer if you are able to just cover the first 4 books and some classical physics with dynamics. But if you fully understand calculus, linear algebra, algorithm logic, and statistics \\(I would also see the electromagnetics book to see examples of harder math and everything worked out symbolically rather than your average plug and chug and find the answer through working with numbers\\), then you will be a top tier Engineer. Remember, YOU GOT THIS!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2748.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyylhtq","c_root_id_B":"dyylua8","created_at_utc_A":1526308626,"created_at_utc_B":1526308950,"score_A":12,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"I'm not really a big reader when it comes to books in general, but, I would recommend reading pretty much anything in the military leadership section from an officer that commanded a ship. They typically teach you how to listen to folks around you who know more about a specific situation than you do, so you can ask the right questions, and make a decision, or even just make the decision to defer to them. They typically also teach you how to look at a decision as more than just a decision, and try and foresee anything that might go wrong with the decision that you are making, as any decision they make could end up costing those under you, their lives. Follow that up with a book on the Ford Pinto. Everyone wants to make a decision, or go with the flow, a good engineer will sit there and tell someone above them \"No, this is dangerous.\" or \"We (I) have made a mistake and we need to get this resolved as quickly as possible.\" Lastly any book that deals with economy\/business practices so you can work better with Project Management at both your future company and the other companies you will end up working with. Often times you'll end up in situations where an issue doesn't get fixed for months because folks are squabbling over who is going to pay for this one issue, while other issues amass behind it, cascading the issues. I can't tell you the number of times I've been in that situation where I have solved an issue for 2 other vendors, and then in the follow up meeting it ends up being a \"I took care of xyz for you, please go ahead and address problem \"A\".\" and it works.","human_ref_B":"Mechanical and Metal Trades Handbook It`s just perfect for every mechanical work you have to do. Plus it has some neat formulas too ;D","labels":0,"seconds_difference":324.0,"score_ratio":1.4166666667} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyylhtq","c_root_id_B":"dyync14","created_at_utc_A":1526308626,"created_at_utc_B":1526310368,"score_A":12,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I'm not really a big reader when it comes to books in general, but, I would recommend reading pretty much anything in the military leadership section from an officer that commanded a ship. They typically teach you how to listen to folks around you who know more about a specific situation than you do, so you can ask the right questions, and make a decision, or even just make the decision to defer to them. They typically also teach you how to look at a decision as more than just a decision, and try and foresee anything that might go wrong with the decision that you are making, as any decision they make could end up costing those under you, their lives. Follow that up with a book on the Ford Pinto. Everyone wants to make a decision, or go with the flow, a good engineer will sit there and tell someone above them \"No, this is dangerous.\" or \"We (I) have made a mistake and we need to get this resolved as quickly as possible.\" Lastly any book that deals with economy\/business practices so you can work better with Project Management at both your future company and the other companies you will end up working with. Often times you'll end up in situations where an issue doesn't get fixed for months because folks are squabbling over who is going to pay for this one issue, while other issues amass behind it, cascading the issues. I can't tell you the number of times I've been in that situation where I have solved an issue for 2 other vendors, and then in the follow up meeting it ends up being a \"I took care of xyz for you, please go ahead and address problem \"A\".\" and it works.","human_ref_B":"Space Vehicle Mechanisms By Peter L. Conley Machinery\u2019s Handbook By Erik Oberg","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1742.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyynbdw","c_root_id_B":"dyync14","created_at_utc_A":1526310351,"created_at_utc_B":1526310368,"score_A":10,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Bosch Automotive Handbook 48 Laws of Power","human_ref_B":"Space Vehicle Mechanisms By Peter L. Conley Machinery\u2019s Handbook By Erik Oberg","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"8jc0hp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are some books that helped you as an Engineer? They don't necessarily have to be engineering related","c_root_id_A":"dyylhtq","c_root_id_B":"dyypxb3","created_at_utc_A":1526308626,"created_at_utc_B":1526312802,"score_A":12,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I'm not really a big reader when it comes to books in general, but, I would recommend reading pretty much anything in the military leadership section from an officer that commanded a ship. They typically teach you how to listen to folks around you who know more about a specific situation than you do, so you can ask the right questions, and make a decision, or even just make the decision to defer to them. They typically also teach you how to look at a decision as more than just a decision, and try and foresee anything that might go wrong with the decision that you are making, as any decision they make could end up costing those under you, their lives. Follow that up with a book on the Ford Pinto. Everyone wants to make a decision, or go with the flow, a good engineer will sit there and tell someone above them \"No, this is dangerous.\" or \"We (I) have made a mistake and we need to get this resolved as quickly as possible.\" Lastly any book that deals with economy\/business practices so you can work better with Project Management at both your future company and the other companies you will end up working with. Often times you'll end up in situations where an issue doesn't get fixed for months because folks are squabbling over who is going to pay for this one issue, while other issues amass behind it, cascading the issues. I can't tell you the number of times I've been in that situation where I have solved an issue for 2 other vendors, and then in the follow up meeting it ends up being a \"I took care of xyz for you, please go ahead and address problem \"A\".\" and it works.","human_ref_B":"How to talk to anyone, by Lowndes. 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Sit on chair and make money","human_ref_B":"I automate all kinds of things like generating drawing files or exporting CAD to step. Lots of people don\u2019t even know our cad software (solidworks) has that capability. I don\u2019t say anything about I just let them be amazed at the productivity.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":660.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"jjnuvk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My boss hates automation, so I do it in secret. Advice? As the title states, the leaders in my team are against automation of tasks and have told me not to waste my time. They don't want mistakes to be made and I understand, but I think it also stems from a lack of programming knowledge. You don't know what's possible if you can't code and some tasks just have a low risk for error. I've already automated many things on my own because I don't want to do mindless work and this has resulted in it looking like I have amazing turn times. Does anyone else have a similar situation? How can I ease the team into being more comfortable with handing our simple tasks to software? I don't want to drop the news that my quick responsiveness is because I've disregarded their wishes, but I'd like to help us become a bit more progressive on the topic openly.","c_root_id_A":"gaey7nz","c_root_id_B":"gaf2if1","created_at_utc_A":1603914646,"created_at_utc_B":1603916685,"score_A":5,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I automate all kinds of things like generating drawing files or exporting CAD to step. Lots of people don\u2019t even know our cad software (solidworks) has that capability. I don\u2019t say anything about I just let them be amazed at the productivity.","human_ref_B":"As someone who just automated a bunch of tasks for their entire department and then proceeded to not receive any kind of promotion or raise resultant from that, don't tell anyone. If they want to pay you for the time taken to do it manually, just automate it and take the remainder for your own interests. Never forget that you're selling the work you do - if you can do the work faster than what they're willing to pay for, that's just your profit, it doesn't have to be theirs. Especially if they're too ignorant to want it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2039.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"jjnuvk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My boss hates automation, so I do it in secret. Advice? As the title states, the leaders in my team are against automation of tasks and have told me not to waste my time. They don't want mistakes to be made and I understand, but I think it also stems from a lack of programming knowledge. You don't know what's possible if you can't code and some tasks just have a low risk for error. I've already automated many things on my own because I don't want to do mindless work and this has resulted in it looking like I have amazing turn times. Does anyone else have a similar situation? How can I ease the team into being more comfortable with handing our simple tasks to software? I don't want to drop the news that my quick responsiveness is because I've disregarded their wishes, but I'd like to help us become a bit more progressive on the topic openly.","c_root_id_A":"gag93c4","c_root_id_B":"gag970l","created_at_utc_A":1603937956,"created_at_utc_B":1603938015,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"We're engineers, we optimise things, we can't help it. That ability to optimise and be more efficient is your \"profit margin\". I have a current side gig that if anyone did manually would be a nightmare, take hours. I have enough savvy and determination to automate it, and automate it robustly, and know when the automation fails. I turn a big, slow job into one I can do in a few minutes in the evening. Client gets the value of it being a bit cheaper than them handballing everything, I don't need to employ anyone and give an ideal result, and everyone is happy. Automate away, it makes your results repeatable. Don't let anyone else use your automations - only YOU know how they work and can recognise when they fail. If word gets out, you end up with an enthusiast-grade automation supporting a whole department of people who then stop checking their work and blaming you when they fuck it up. That's when it becomes a \"skunk tool\" and becomes the bane of all companies IT departments as after you leave, they start getting support calls for something hacked together that they've never heard of and shouldn't be being used. It can have disastrous consequences - Access is often used by people who have no idea about referential integrity, for instance, and so their views are all inner, and they lose important data without ever realising it. I've seen a department use unsupported homebrew and complain when we discovered it and made a Y2K compliant version. The replacement version \"gave the wrong numbers\". Turned out it gave the right numbers, and they had been under-billing for 5 years by enough to employ a whole extra person. Another user system broke production by pulling the entire database over for a query which was then run on a local machine. And it would pull the whole of production (all tables, all data) every single calculation. And even got the wrong answer. The right way to do that would be a server-optimised view\/API under the control of the DBA team, returning just the needed data. The huge traffic surges on the network would break the company's production servers periodically, we had no idea what was going on until we tracked every packet down! It's not even unusual, so don't be that guy, if you automate, keep quiet. Don't share your toys.","human_ref_B":"If you are given 8 hours to do a task that will only take 1 hour because you automated it. Make sure you use at least 7 hours.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":59.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijiomfc","c_root_id_B":"ijioh4t","created_at_utc_A":1660006713,"created_at_utc_B":1660006650,"score_A":490,"score_B":132,"human_ref_A":"Worked with an engineer who was wholly uninterested with sharing their knowledge. They had decades of experience and hoarded it over everyone, making it a commodity....until we all started to learn elsewhere and that person's value wasn't quite as high after that, because the rest of us started to change how our team performed the work and that person suddenly needed to catch up. I do not work with that person anymore and I advise folks to stay light years away from that kind of person.","human_ref_B":"The only time I ever had this happen was in college. Every profesional setting has been \"let me help you\" or \"show me your thought process\". When I interview I look for a good culture more than $ and I've been happy with every job I've accepted.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":63.0,"score_ratio":3.7121212121} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijiqu5i","c_root_id_B":"ijioh4t","created_at_utc_A":1660007654,"created_at_utc_B":1660006650,"score_A":290,"score_B":132,"human_ref_A":"The more people who are caught up, the less work I have to do","human_ref_B":"The only time I ever had this happen was in college. Every profesional setting has been \"let me help you\" or \"show me your thought process\". When I interview I look for a good culture more than $ and I've been happy with every job I've accepted.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1004.0,"score_ratio":2.196969697} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijiqu5i","c_root_id_B":"ijipsy9","created_at_utc_A":1660007654,"created_at_utc_B":1660007213,"score_A":290,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"The more people who are caught up, the less work I have to do","human_ref_B":"I have never consciously done this. I believe the sharing of knowledge is more important than pettiness between people.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":441.0,"score_ratio":10.7407407407} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijiwlej","c_root_id_B":"ijioh4t","created_at_utc_A":1660010106,"created_at_utc_B":1660006650,"score_A":167,"score_B":132,"human_ref_A":"Refused: no But I have often fallen into the trap of \u201clet me just do it so I don\u2019t have to train you cause that\u2019s gonna take a whole lot longer.\u201d Working to get rid of that mentality in myself and trying to always make time to teach and guide folks.","human_ref_B":"The only time I ever had this happen was in college. Every profesional setting has been \"let me help you\" or \"show me your thought process\". When I interview I look for a good culture more than $ and I've been happy with every job I've accepted.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3456.0,"score_ratio":1.2651515152} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijiw5tb","c_root_id_B":"ijiwlej","created_at_utc_A":1660009924,"created_at_utc_B":1660010106,"score_A":100,"score_B":167,"human_ref_A":"I've never done it, but I have encountered it. Actually made a pretty serious enemy once by exposing the sham that was one knowledge gatekeeper. He wrote some software that was seen as key in a very, very niche field. He refused to teach anyone else how to use the software under the guise of, \"It's too complicated.\" I got my hands on the source code. It was a few lines of basic algebra. A total nothing. In one week I wrote a replacement package that was easier to use, integrated it into our hardware, and wrote a user's manual. Suddenly Dr. Vital was Mr. YourServicesAreNoLongerRequired. Not that he was fired, he was just no longer in a position to call the shots since he was no longer in a position of power.","human_ref_B":"Refused: no But I have often fallen into the trap of \u201clet me just do it so I don\u2019t have to train you cause that\u2019s gonna take a whole lot longer.\u201d Working to get rid of that mentality in myself and trying to always make time to teach and guide folks.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":182.0,"score_ratio":1.67} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijiwlej","c_root_id_B":"ijit3a1","created_at_utc_A":1660010106,"created_at_utc_B":1660008604,"score_A":167,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"Refused: no But I have often fallen into the trap of \u201clet me just do it so I don\u2019t have to train you cause that\u2019s gonna take a whole lot longer.\u201d Working to get rid of that mentality in myself and trying to always make time to teach and guide folks.","human_ref_B":"So that no one else can catch up? Never. Because I'm tired of explaining basic concepts for the 7th f'ing time to people who should know better and frankly should have been fired years ago? Sure","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1502.0,"score_ratio":2.0617283951} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijiwlej","c_root_id_B":"ijipsy9","created_at_utc_A":1660010106,"created_at_utc_B":1660007213,"score_A":167,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Refused: no But I have often fallen into the trap of \u201clet me just do it so I don\u2019t have to train you cause that\u2019s gonna take a whole lot longer.\u201d Working to get rid of that mentality in myself and trying to always make time to teach and guide folks.","human_ref_B":"I have never consciously done this. I believe the sharing of knowledge is more important than pettiness between people.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2893.0,"score_ratio":6.1851851852} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijirqwv","c_root_id_B":"ijiwlej","created_at_utc_A":1660008036,"created_at_utc_B":1660010106,"score_A":17,"score_B":167,"human_ref_A":"Kind of? One of the techs I work with has decades more experience with CNC programming than of the rest of us, and is the only one who can program the mills (while the rest of us program all the lathes). Until recently, he has been somewhat unwilling to teach anyone how to program them. I think recently, he's been humbled, because all of us new engineers are able to pick up lathe programming fairly easily (a lot of it is automated), using 3D solid based programming, while he is mostly using 2D 2007 edgecam. Recently he's been more open to showing me how to program the mills, in return for me showing him how to 3D model. I think it helped that my boss told him my modeling skills are probably on par with his, and that I'm probably the best lathe programmer out of any of the new-ish people. For the other side of the question: The only times I've held back knowledge from other engineers is when I've been instructed to by my boss (to prevent them from messing up stuff they haven't shown they're ready for). Not long after I got hired, two of the other engineers left, and I was the one to pick up all the stuff only they knew\/dealt with - so I became the designated trainer for a lot of stuff. I've been trying to offload as much of that workload to the newer hires as I can, as fast as I can, to even out the workload.","human_ref_B":"Refused: no But I have often fallen into the trap of \u201clet me just do it so I don\u2019t have to train you cause that\u2019s gonna take a whole lot longer.\u201d Working to get rid of that mentality in myself and trying to always make time to teach and guide folks.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2070.0,"score_ratio":9.8235294118} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijiubp1","c_root_id_B":"ijiwlej","created_at_utc_A":1660009136,"created_at_utc_B":1660010106,"score_A":14,"score_B":167,"human_ref_A":"No. The closest I\u2019ve come is when I know that an Engineer knows the answer and just isn\u2019t confident enough to give it or put out the product. In those cases, I\u2019ll gently urge with a \u201cyou got this, you don\u2019t need me\u201d Sometimes people need to feel confident in the fact that they already know. Otherwise, always share knowledge.","human_ref_B":"Refused: no But I have often fallen into the trap of \u201clet me just do it so I don\u2019t have to train you cause that\u2019s gonna take a whole lot longer.\u201d Working to get rid of that mentality in myself and trying to always make time to teach and guide folks.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":970.0,"score_ratio":11.9285714286} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijiw5tb","c_root_id_B":"ijit3a1","created_at_utc_A":1660009924,"created_at_utc_B":1660008604,"score_A":100,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"I've never done it, but I have encountered it. Actually made a pretty serious enemy once by exposing the sham that was one knowledge gatekeeper. He wrote some software that was seen as key in a very, very niche field. He refused to teach anyone else how to use the software under the guise of, \"It's too complicated.\" I got my hands on the source code. It was a few lines of basic algebra. A total nothing. In one week I wrote a replacement package that was easier to use, integrated it into our hardware, and wrote a user's manual. Suddenly Dr. Vital was Mr. YourServicesAreNoLongerRequired. Not that he was fired, he was just no longer in a position to call the shots since he was no longer in a position of power.","human_ref_B":"So that no one else can catch up? Never. Because I'm tired of explaining basic concepts for the 7th f'ing time to people who should know better and frankly should have been fired years ago? Sure","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1320.0,"score_ratio":1.2345679012} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijiw5tb","c_root_id_B":"ijipsy9","created_at_utc_A":1660009924,"created_at_utc_B":1660007213,"score_A":100,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"I've never done it, but I have encountered it. Actually made a pretty serious enemy once by exposing the sham that was one knowledge gatekeeper. He wrote some software that was seen as key in a very, very niche field. He refused to teach anyone else how to use the software under the guise of, \"It's too complicated.\" I got my hands on the source code. It was a few lines of basic algebra. A total nothing. In one week I wrote a replacement package that was easier to use, integrated it into our hardware, and wrote a user's manual. Suddenly Dr. Vital was Mr. YourServicesAreNoLongerRequired. Not that he was fired, he was just no longer in a position to call the shots since he was no longer in a position of power.","human_ref_B":"I have never consciously done this. I believe the sharing of knowledge is more important than pettiness between people.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2711.0,"score_ratio":3.7037037037} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijiw5tb","c_root_id_B":"ijirqwv","created_at_utc_A":1660009924,"created_at_utc_B":1660008036,"score_A":100,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"I've never done it, but I have encountered it. Actually made a pretty serious enemy once by exposing the sham that was one knowledge gatekeeper. He wrote some software that was seen as key in a very, very niche field. He refused to teach anyone else how to use the software under the guise of, \"It's too complicated.\" I got my hands on the source code. It was a few lines of basic algebra. A total nothing. In one week I wrote a replacement package that was easier to use, integrated it into our hardware, and wrote a user's manual. Suddenly Dr. Vital was Mr. YourServicesAreNoLongerRequired. Not that he was fired, he was just no longer in a position to call the shots since he was no longer in a position of power.","human_ref_B":"Kind of? One of the techs I work with has decades more experience with CNC programming than of the rest of us, and is the only one who can program the mills (while the rest of us program all the lathes). Until recently, he has been somewhat unwilling to teach anyone how to program them. I think recently, he's been humbled, because all of us new engineers are able to pick up lathe programming fairly easily (a lot of it is automated), using 3D solid based programming, while he is mostly using 2D 2007 edgecam. Recently he's been more open to showing me how to program the mills, in return for me showing him how to 3D model. I think it helped that my boss told him my modeling skills are probably on par with his, and that I'm probably the best lathe programmer out of any of the new-ish people. For the other side of the question: The only times I've held back knowledge from other engineers is when I've been instructed to by my boss (to prevent them from messing up stuff they haven't shown they're ready for). Not long after I got hired, two of the other engineers left, and I was the one to pick up all the stuff only they knew\/dealt with - so I became the designated trainer for a lot of stuff. I've been trying to offload as much of that workload to the newer hires as I can, as fast as I can, to even out the workload.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1888.0,"score_ratio":5.8823529412} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijiw5tb","c_root_id_B":"ijiubp1","created_at_utc_A":1660009924,"created_at_utc_B":1660009136,"score_A":100,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I've never done it, but I have encountered it. Actually made a pretty serious enemy once by exposing the sham that was one knowledge gatekeeper. He wrote some software that was seen as key in a very, very niche field. He refused to teach anyone else how to use the software under the guise of, \"It's too complicated.\" I got my hands on the source code. It was a few lines of basic algebra. A total nothing. In one week I wrote a replacement package that was easier to use, integrated it into our hardware, and wrote a user's manual. Suddenly Dr. Vital was Mr. YourServicesAreNoLongerRequired. Not that he was fired, he was just no longer in a position to call the shots since he was no longer in a position of power.","human_ref_B":"No. The closest I\u2019ve come is when I know that an Engineer knows the answer and just isn\u2019t confident enough to give it or put out the product. In those cases, I\u2019ll gently urge with a \u201cyou got this, you don\u2019t need me\u201d Sometimes people need to feel confident in the fact that they already know. Otherwise, always share knowledge.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":788.0,"score_ratio":7.1428571429} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijit3a1","c_root_id_B":"ijipsy9","created_at_utc_A":1660008604,"created_at_utc_B":1660007213,"score_A":81,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"So that no one else can catch up? Never. Because I'm tired of explaining basic concepts for the 7th f'ing time to people who should know better and frankly should have been fired years ago? Sure","human_ref_B":"I have never consciously done this. I believe the sharing of knowledge is more important than pettiness between people.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1391.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijirqwv","c_root_id_B":"ijit3a1","created_at_utc_A":1660008036,"created_at_utc_B":1660008604,"score_A":17,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"Kind of? One of the techs I work with has decades more experience with CNC programming than of the rest of us, and is the only one who can program the mills (while the rest of us program all the lathes). Until recently, he has been somewhat unwilling to teach anyone how to program them. I think recently, he's been humbled, because all of us new engineers are able to pick up lathe programming fairly easily (a lot of it is automated), using 3D solid based programming, while he is mostly using 2D 2007 edgecam. Recently he's been more open to showing me how to program the mills, in return for me showing him how to 3D model. I think it helped that my boss told him my modeling skills are probably on par with his, and that I'm probably the best lathe programmer out of any of the new-ish people. For the other side of the question: The only times I've held back knowledge from other engineers is when I've been instructed to by my boss (to prevent them from messing up stuff they haven't shown they're ready for). Not long after I got hired, two of the other engineers left, and I was the one to pick up all the stuff only they knew\/dealt with - so I became the designated trainer for a lot of stuff. I've been trying to offload as much of that workload to the newer hires as I can, as fast as I can, to even out the workload.","human_ref_B":"So that no one else can catch up? Never. Because I'm tired of explaining basic concepts for the 7th f'ing time to people who should know better and frankly should have been fired years ago? Sure","labels":0,"seconds_difference":568.0,"score_ratio":4.7647058824} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijiwyrm","c_root_id_B":"ijj0z2n","created_at_utc_A":1660010267,"created_at_utc_B":1660011985,"score_A":12,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Yes the majority of my engineering college professors.","human_ref_B":"Yes. When in uni, I vividly remember a housemate of mine in 2nd year inviting a few (3-4) of his friends over so he could help them with a comp-sci assignment. I forget exactly why but he had to leave for a bit and suggested I may be able to help them. I went over to them and all they had done was create a new program page... not a single letter of code was written. This was the night the assignment was due (11:59pm) and it was already like 7:00pm or 8:00pm. I just turned around and went to my room to watch Netflix. Similar things have happened in other courses. However I will say I had a tight-knit group of friends (we were in a capstone group together) and if any of them needed help (whether they had done any work or not) I would help\/give them the answers and vice versa. We had all paid eachothers \"price of admission\" if you will, because we all knew everyone worked hard and didn't just slack off. There were others that I would spend time with and help, but not necessarily just send my solutions page to. Idk if this makes me a twat but I thought it was fair.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1718.0,"score_ratio":1.0833333333} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? Be honest.","c_root_id_A":"ijj0z2n","c_root_id_B":"ijj0bkv","created_at_utc_A":1660011985,"created_at_utc_B":1660011701,"score_A":13,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Yes. When in uni, I vividly remember a housemate of mine in 2nd year inviting a few (3-4) of his friends over so he could help them with a comp-sci assignment. I forget exactly why but he had to leave for a bit and suggested I may be able to help them. I went over to them and all they had done was create a new program page... not a single letter of code was written. This was the night the assignment was due (11:59pm) and it was already like 7:00pm or 8:00pm. I just turned around and went to my room to watch Netflix. Similar things have happened in other courses. However I will say I had a tight-knit group of friends (we were in a capstone group together) and if any of them needed help (whether they had done any work or not) I would help\/give them the answers and vice versa. We had all paid eachothers \"price of admission\" if you will, because we all knew everyone worked hard and didn't just slack off. There were others that I would spend time with and help, but not necessarily just send my solutions page to. Idk if this makes me a twat but I thought it was fair.","human_ref_B":"OTOH Anyone that has some engineering experience knows and hates to work with \"that guy\" because he will plagiarize your work and badmouth you to management. Don't be that guy. Engineers, like anyone that spends most of their time inside their own head, can be a strange lot.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":284.0,"score_ratio":1.0833333333} +{"post_id":"wjpd61","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Have you ever refused to share your engineering knowledge\/skills or met someone who did so that no one else can catch up? 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I like those days better than the emo engineering days to be honest.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6737.0,"score_ratio":2.5294117647} +{"post_id":"skdtwy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Hardcore engineers, that work in hardcore engineering jobs, on a really hardcore day how much of your time is spent doing hardcore calculations like hardcore calculus?","c_root_id_A":"hvkszw6","c_root_id_B":"hvkurrf","created_at_utc_A":1643991680,"created_at_utc_B":1643992330,"score_A":16,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"I'm more of a softcore engineer myself","human_ref_B":"Only about 15-20% and our manager lets us know which days will be hardcore days so we can make sure to wear our leather jackets and doc martins. I like those days better than the emo engineering days to be honest.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":650.0,"score_ratio":2.6875} +{"post_id":"skdtwy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Hardcore engineers, that work in hardcore engineering jobs, on a really hardcore day how much of your time is spent doing hardcore calculations like hardcore calculus?","c_root_id_A":"hvkurrf","c_root_id_B":"hvktwkv","created_at_utc_A":1643992330,"created_at_utc_B":1643992014,"score_A":43,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Only about 15-20% and our manager lets us know which days will be hardcore days so we can make sure to wear our leather jackets and doc martins. I like those days better than the emo engineering days to be honest.","human_ref_B":"Is Q=CIA considered hardcore calculus? I also divide by 43,560 a lot. That\u2019s pretty hardcore\u2026","labels":1,"seconds_difference":316.0,"score_ratio":4.7777777778} +{"post_id":"skdtwy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Hardcore engineers, that work in hardcore engineering jobs, on a really hardcore day how much of your time is spent doing hardcore calculations like hardcore calculus?","c_root_id_A":"hvkkavx","c_root_id_B":"hvkddxf","created_at_utc_A":1643988401,"created_at_utc_B":1643985593,"score_A":38,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Lol at the people not getting the joke Is it time we open an \/r\/engineeringcirclejerk ? Edit: gfuckingdamnit","human_ref_B":"\ud83e\udd18all\ud83e\udd18the\ud83e\udd18time\ud83e\udd18","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2808.0,"score_ratio":2.2352941176} +{"post_id":"skdtwy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Hardcore engineers, that work in hardcore engineering jobs, on a really hardcore day how much of your time is spent doing hardcore calculations like hardcore calculus?","c_root_id_A":"hvkzah7","c_root_id_B":"hvkddxf","created_at_utc_A":1643993985,"created_at_utc_B":1643985593,"score_A":23,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"I know you're joking, bit I actually get to some \"hardcore\" calculus for my research job and it is great. Mostly some PDEs, some differential geometry to figure out the curvature\/volume\/surface area of an inclusion, derive some stuff from variational calculus. It is pretty great. I use a combination of hand-derivation, Mathematica, Maple, finite element, and janky python code I wrote. The rest of the time I'm using MS office (word, Excel, outlook) doing non technical stuff.","human_ref_B":"\ud83e\udd18all\ud83e\udd18the\ud83e\udd18time\ud83e\udd18","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8392.0,"score_ratio":1.3529411765} +{"post_id":"skdtwy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Hardcore engineers, that work in hardcore engineering jobs, on a really hardcore day how much of your time is spent doing hardcore calculations like hardcore calculus?","c_root_id_A":"hvkzah7","c_root_id_B":"hvkszw6","created_at_utc_A":1643993985,"created_at_utc_B":1643991680,"score_A":23,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"I know you're joking, bit I actually get to some \"hardcore\" calculus for my research job and it is great. Mostly some PDEs, some differential geometry to figure out the curvature\/volume\/surface area of an inclusion, derive some stuff from variational calculus. It is pretty great. I use a combination of hand-derivation, Mathematica, Maple, finite element, and janky python code I wrote. The rest of the time I'm using MS office (word, Excel, outlook) doing non technical stuff.","human_ref_B":"I'm more of a softcore engineer myself","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2305.0,"score_ratio":1.4375} +{"post_id":"skdtwy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Hardcore engineers, that work in hardcore engineering jobs, on a really hardcore day how much of your time is spent doing hardcore calculations like hardcore calculus?","c_root_id_A":"hvktwkv","c_root_id_B":"hvkzah7","created_at_utc_A":1643992014,"created_at_utc_B":1643993985,"score_A":9,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"Is Q=CIA considered hardcore calculus? I also divide by 43,560 a lot. That\u2019s pretty hardcore\u2026","human_ref_B":"I know you're joking, bit I actually get to some \"hardcore\" calculus for my research job and it is great. Mostly some PDEs, some differential geometry to figure out the curvature\/volume\/surface area of an inclusion, derive some stuff from variational calculus. It is pretty great. I use a combination of hand-derivation, Mathematica, Maple, finite element, and janky python code I wrote. The rest of the time I'm using MS office (word, Excel, outlook) doing non technical stuff.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1971.0,"score_ratio":2.5555555556} +{"post_id":"skdtwy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Hardcore engineers, that work in hardcore engineering jobs, on a really hardcore day how much of your time is spent doing hardcore calculations like hardcore calculus?","c_root_id_A":"hvlfq19","c_root_id_B":"hvktwkv","created_at_utc_A":1643999998,"created_at_utc_B":1643992014,"score_A":14,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I do CFD in my head and sketch the results in crayon for my design reports. About as hardcore as it gets.","human_ref_B":"Is Q=CIA considered hardcore calculus? I also divide by 43,560 a lot. That\u2019s pretty hardcore\u2026","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7984.0,"score_ratio":1.5555555556} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7dxu4","c_root_id_B":"hv7c6m0","created_at_utc_A":1643759599,"created_at_utc_B":1643758869,"score_A":575,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Union does not protect them from sexually harassing you. Fuck. I am in a union and even I know I have to behave or I\u2019ll get fired. They are not above the law. Please advocate for yourself too because other cowards will tell you to do nothing and allow the harassment to continue. Write their names down, who their supervisor is. Get dates and times of when it happened and what was said and start voice recording or video recording and talk to a lawyer. They wont say shit anymore about them being union. You can contact their union rep too. In fact get their lawyer to contact them. And whoever told you that you can\u2019t do anything because they are union. It\u2019s bullshit how they behave thinking they are untouchable.","human_ref_B":"I think you can go after the company for something like this. Especially if their r other witnesses. Nobody should have to deal with that. I apologize and hope things get better.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":730.0,"score_ratio":82.1428571429} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7dxu4","c_root_id_B":"hv7clcr","created_at_utc_A":1643759599,"created_at_utc_B":1643759039,"score_A":575,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Union does not protect them from sexually harassing you. Fuck. I am in a union and even I know I have to behave or I\u2019ll get fired. They are not above the law. Please advocate for yourself too because other cowards will tell you to do nothing and allow the harassment to continue. Write their names down, who their supervisor is. Get dates and times of when it happened and what was said and start voice recording or video recording and talk to a lawyer. They wont say shit anymore about them being union. You can contact their union rep too. In fact get their lawyer to contact them. And whoever told you that you can\u2019t do anything because they are union. It\u2019s bullshit how they behave thinking they are untouchable.","human_ref_B":"Harrass them back.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":560.0,"score_ratio":82.1428571429} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7c6m0","c_root_id_B":"hv7f3zn","created_at_utc_A":1643758869,"created_at_utc_B":1643760084,"score_A":7,"score_B":99,"human_ref_A":"I think you can go after the company for something like this. Especially if their r other witnesses. Nobody should have to deal with that. I apologize and hope things get better.","human_ref_B":"Seems like your management have the same attitude as the operators. I had an issue with racism that was taken lightly and I was told there was nothing that could be done. I sent a note a few days later informing them that I had spoke to the council for racial equality or some thing I found in line and they asked me to go meet them and bring the company handbook , so please could they provide me with a copy so they could advise me how to proceed. As soon as I mentioned I was taking it outside things got resolved in a day! Can\u2019t even remember the org .. just looked it u online and sent a bs note to hr!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1215.0,"score_ratio":14.1428571429} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7clcr","c_root_id_B":"hv7f3zn","created_at_utc_A":1643759039,"created_at_utc_B":1643760084,"score_A":7,"score_B":99,"human_ref_A":"Harrass them back.","human_ref_B":"Seems like your management have the same attitude as the operators. I had an issue with racism that was taken lightly and I was told there was nothing that could be done. I sent a note a few days later informing them that I had spoke to the council for racial equality or some thing I found in line and they asked me to go meet them and bring the company handbook , so please could they provide me with a copy so they could advise me how to proceed. As soon as I mentioned I was taking it outside things got resolved in a day! Can\u2019t even remember the org .. just looked it u online and sent a bs note to hr!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1045.0,"score_ratio":14.1428571429} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7if9o","c_root_id_B":"hv7h1by","created_at_utc_A":1643761464,"created_at_utc_B":1643760887,"score_A":64,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I am sorry to hear this, you do not deserve to be treated this way. Sexual harassment is completely unprofessional in any environment. I understand you were discouraged from filing a complaint with HR, but I think you should insist that it is filed anyway. Management can push aside some verbal commentary, an officially filed complaint is more difficult to dismiss.","human_ref_B":"If your local HR and manager won\u2019t help advocate, go higher. Companies are trying to achieve inclusion and diversity, anyone with half a brain will see the legal jeopardy that allowing such behavior brings. You have a legal right to a harassment free workplace. If you are not prepared to escalate at this time, keep detailed notes. Who, what, where, when and who else was present.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":577.0,"score_ratio":7.1111111111} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7if9o","c_root_id_B":"hv7c6m0","created_at_utc_A":1643761464,"created_at_utc_B":1643758869,"score_A":64,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I am sorry to hear this, you do not deserve to be treated this way. Sexual harassment is completely unprofessional in any environment. I understand you were discouraged from filing a complaint with HR, but I think you should insist that it is filed anyway. Management can push aside some verbal commentary, an officially filed complaint is more difficult to dismiss.","human_ref_B":"I think you can go after the company for something like this. Especially if their r other witnesses. Nobody should have to deal with that. I apologize and hope things get better.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2595.0,"score_ratio":9.1428571429} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7if9o","c_root_id_B":"hv7clcr","created_at_utc_A":1643761464,"created_at_utc_B":1643759039,"score_A":64,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I am sorry to hear this, you do not deserve to be treated this way. Sexual harassment is completely unprofessional in any environment. I understand you were discouraged from filing a complaint with HR, but I think you should insist that it is filed anyway. Management can push aside some verbal commentary, an officially filed complaint is more difficult to dismiss.","human_ref_B":"Harrass them back.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2425.0,"score_ratio":9.1428571429} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7rfy8","c_root_id_B":"hv7maof","created_at_utc_A":1643765234,"created_at_utc_B":1643763087,"score_A":39,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"> my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. 1 - Get a log book. Every time someone steps over the line, call them on it (<-- necessary step as the first thing a lawyer will ask is, \"How were they supposed to know you didn't enjoy it?\") and DOCUMENT IT in your log book. Record not only the obvious (time\/place\/event\/asshole's name), but also record your response and the names of any witnesses to the behavior. 2 - After you've a bit of evidence, go to your supervisor. Present them with copies of your log book. Inform them that you are documenting that you are documenting the fact that have brought it to them. Unless they're idiots, this will get their attention (but there are a lot of idiots in 1st level management). 3a - If the problem ceases? Great! 3b - If the problem persists? Continue gathering evidence. 4 - After you've a fair amount of evidence, go to HR. Present them with copies of your log book. Inform them that you are documenting that you are documenting the fact that have brought it to them after your supervisor did nothing. Be like, \"Could you spell your name for me? I want to make sure it's in the log book correctly.\" I guarantee this will get their attention. 5a - If the problem is addressed? Cool! 5b - If the problem is not addressed? Lawyer up, but know that you absolutely have the company by the proverbial balls.","human_ref_B":"Don't let this shit fly, fuck those Neanderthals. Raise hell with HR, and reach out to civil rights orgs. Unionized or not, no one should get a pass to harass others at work. As your fellow woman engineer who has been harassed at work, I'm rooting for you.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2147.0,"score_ratio":3.25} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7rfy8","c_root_id_B":"hv7h1by","created_at_utc_A":1643765234,"created_at_utc_B":1643760887,"score_A":39,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"> my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. 1 - Get a log book. Every time someone steps over the line, call them on it (<-- necessary step as the first thing a lawyer will ask is, \"How were they supposed to know you didn't enjoy it?\") and DOCUMENT IT in your log book. Record not only the obvious (time\/place\/event\/asshole's name), but also record your response and the names of any witnesses to the behavior. 2 - After you've a bit of evidence, go to your supervisor. Present them with copies of your log book. Inform them that you are documenting that you are documenting the fact that have brought it to them. Unless they're idiots, this will get their attention (but there are a lot of idiots in 1st level management). 3a - If the problem ceases? Great! 3b - If the problem persists? Continue gathering evidence. 4 - After you've a fair amount of evidence, go to HR. Present them with copies of your log book. Inform them that you are documenting that you are documenting the fact that have brought it to them after your supervisor did nothing. Be like, \"Could you spell your name for me? I want to make sure it's in the log book correctly.\" I guarantee this will get their attention. 5a - If the problem is addressed? Cool! 5b - If the problem is not addressed? Lawyer up, but know that you absolutely have the company by the proverbial balls.","human_ref_B":"If your local HR and manager won\u2019t help advocate, go higher. Companies are trying to achieve inclusion and diversity, anyone with half a brain will see the legal jeopardy that allowing such behavior brings. You have a legal right to a harassment free workplace. If you are not prepared to escalate at this time, keep detailed notes. Who, what, where, when and who else was present.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4347.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7c6m0","c_root_id_B":"hv7rfy8","created_at_utc_A":1643758869,"created_at_utc_B":1643765234,"score_A":7,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"I think you can go after the company for something like this. Especially if their r other witnesses. Nobody should have to deal with that. I apologize and hope things get better.","human_ref_B":"> my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. 1 - Get a log book. Every time someone steps over the line, call them on it (<-- necessary step as the first thing a lawyer will ask is, \"How were they supposed to know you didn't enjoy it?\") and DOCUMENT IT in your log book. Record not only the obvious (time\/place\/event\/asshole's name), but also record your response and the names of any witnesses to the behavior. 2 - After you've a bit of evidence, go to your supervisor. Present them with copies of your log book. Inform them that you are documenting that you are documenting the fact that have brought it to them. Unless they're idiots, this will get their attention (but there are a lot of idiots in 1st level management). 3a - If the problem ceases? Great! 3b - If the problem persists? Continue gathering evidence. 4 - After you've a fair amount of evidence, go to HR. Present them with copies of your log book. Inform them that you are documenting that you are documenting the fact that have brought it to them after your supervisor did nothing. Be like, \"Could you spell your name for me? I want to make sure it's in the log book correctly.\" I guarantee this will get their attention. 5a - If the problem is addressed? Cool! 5b - If the problem is not addressed? Lawyer up, but know that you absolutely have the company by the proverbial balls.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6365.0,"score_ratio":5.5714285714} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7rfy8","c_root_id_B":"hv7clcr","created_at_utc_A":1643765234,"created_at_utc_B":1643759039,"score_A":39,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"> my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. 1 - Get a log book. Every time someone steps over the line, call them on it (<-- necessary step as the first thing a lawyer will ask is, \"How were they supposed to know you didn't enjoy it?\") and DOCUMENT IT in your log book. Record not only the obvious (time\/place\/event\/asshole's name), but also record your response and the names of any witnesses to the behavior. 2 - After you've a bit of evidence, go to your supervisor. Present them with copies of your log book. Inform them that you are documenting that you are documenting the fact that have brought it to them. Unless they're idiots, this will get their attention (but there are a lot of idiots in 1st level management). 3a - If the problem ceases? Great! 3b - If the problem persists? Continue gathering evidence. 4 - After you've a fair amount of evidence, go to HR. Present them with copies of your log book. Inform them that you are documenting that you are documenting the fact that have brought it to them after your supervisor did nothing. Be like, \"Could you spell your name for me? I want to make sure it's in the log book correctly.\" I guarantee this will get their attention. 5a - If the problem is addressed? Cool! 5b - If the problem is not addressed? Lawyer up, but know that you absolutely have the company by the proverbial balls.","human_ref_B":"Harrass them back.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6195.0,"score_ratio":5.5714285714} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7njof","c_root_id_B":"hv7rfy8","created_at_utc_A":1643763618,"created_at_utc_B":1643765234,"score_A":7,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a male engineer. I do not have any of these issues. I wish I had on point advice. I know how I would act but my personally wasn\u2019t grown the way yours was so my advice would sound dumb and placating. Please let me know how this works out. I certainly need this education. Many of my favorite coworkers (heck most of my friends) are female. We jibe, collaborate, attack problems together, and we make fun of the \u2018well, it\u2019s better when you say it\u2019 as if saying it in a higher or lower voice makes a difference because the real difference is merely that we don\u2019t listen. I am sorry you have to put up with this bullshit. I\u2019m in Ohio. I \/think\/ in all the factories I\u2019ve worked in this wouldn\u2019t fly for a moment. Don\u2019t get me wrong, I am a dog and I talk to the men as if I was raised by wolves and I will prison shank them, but that\u2019s punch up on only individuals who find that acceptable banter. I do not say that to subordinates, or people who would be offended or harmed in their authority to do their jobs. Factory talk is disgusting. I\u2019m a part of that problem. Hopefully I\u2019m on the funny Bill Burr end and not the creepy bad comedian end. Please let me know what you learn here or on the job.","human_ref_B":"> my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. 1 - Get a log book. Every time someone steps over the line, call them on it (<-- necessary step as the first thing a lawyer will ask is, \"How were they supposed to know you didn't enjoy it?\") and DOCUMENT IT in your log book. Record not only the obvious (time\/place\/event\/asshole's name), but also record your response and the names of any witnesses to the behavior. 2 - After you've a bit of evidence, go to your supervisor. Present them with copies of your log book. Inform them that you are documenting that you are documenting the fact that have brought it to them. Unless they're idiots, this will get their attention (but there are a lot of idiots in 1st level management). 3a - If the problem ceases? Great! 3b - If the problem persists? Continue gathering evidence. 4 - After you've a fair amount of evidence, go to HR. Present them with copies of your log book. Inform them that you are documenting that you are documenting the fact that have brought it to them after your supervisor did nothing. Be like, \"Could you spell your name for me? I want to make sure it's in the log book correctly.\" I guarantee this will get their attention. 5a - If the problem is addressed? Cool! 5b - If the problem is not addressed? Lawyer up, but know that you absolutely have the company by the proverbial balls.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1616.0,"score_ratio":5.5714285714} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7px7c","c_root_id_B":"hv7rfy8","created_at_utc_A":1643764610,"created_at_utc_B":1643765234,"score_A":6,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve worked many thousand hours in assembly plants both as engineer and production supervision. I guess from assembly and union you might be automotive. There are absolutely scum out there but there are good leaders too. First line supervisors and even the production super intendants can be just as bad as the line team. Area managers and above were almost always more responsive or going through plant and launch engineering hierarchy. I don\u2019t know if it was because they were actually better or afraid of consequences of not responding. I wouldn\u2019t worry about trying to record evidence as much as trying to find the line where rough around the edges meets violation and when it is crossed making a federal case if needed, in particular with the male leaders that have daughters if you can figure that out. Should it be that way? No. But I\u2019ve seen it work as an effective shortcut. Otherwise use the reporting tools that are there. This is a case where HR is there to protect the company can actually help you because they will best know consequences of not addressing.","human_ref_B":"> my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. 1 - Get a log book. Every time someone steps over the line, call them on it (<-- necessary step as the first thing a lawyer will ask is, \"How were they supposed to know you didn't enjoy it?\") and DOCUMENT IT in your log book. Record not only the obvious (time\/place\/event\/asshole's name), but also record your response and the names of any witnesses to the behavior. 2 - After you've a bit of evidence, go to your supervisor. Present them with copies of your log book. Inform them that you are documenting that you are documenting the fact that have brought it to them. Unless they're idiots, this will get their attention (but there are a lot of idiots in 1st level management). 3a - If the problem ceases? Great! 3b - If the problem persists? Continue gathering evidence. 4 - After you've a fair amount of evidence, go to HR. Present them with copies of your log book. Inform them that you are documenting that you are documenting the fact that have brought it to them after your supervisor did nothing. Be like, \"Could you spell your name for me? I want to make sure it's in the log book correctly.\" I guarantee this will get their attention. 5a - If the problem is addressed? Cool! 5b - If the problem is not addressed? Lawyer up, but know that you absolutely have the company by the proverbial balls.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":624.0,"score_ratio":6.5} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7s25z","c_root_id_B":"hv7maof","created_at_utc_A":1643765492,"created_at_utc_B":1643763087,"score_A":30,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"What industry do you work in? People in these kinds of work environments like to argue that sexism and general toxicity are just natural, unavoidable parts of working in manufacturing, with the implication that if you can\u2019t put up with harassment, then you\u2019re not \u201ccut out\u201d for manufacturing. This is absolutely not true. There are companies out there that genuinely prioritize diversity and inclusion, even in production roles. I\u2019ve worked at companies with female manufacturing engineering managers and mostly-female manufacturing engineering teams. Don\u2019t think that you have to tolerate shitty work environments if you want to pursue a career in manufacturing.","human_ref_B":"Don't let this shit fly, fuck those Neanderthals. Raise hell with HR, and reach out to civil rights orgs. Unionized or not, no one should get a pass to harass others at work. As your fellow woman engineer who has been harassed at work, I'm rooting for you.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2405.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7h1by","c_root_id_B":"hv7s25z","created_at_utc_A":1643760887,"created_at_utc_B":1643765492,"score_A":9,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"If your local HR and manager won\u2019t help advocate, go higher. Companies are trying to achieve inclusion and diversity, anyone with half a brain will see the legal jeopardy that allowing such behavior brings. You have a legal right to a harassment free workplace. If you are not prepared to escalate at this time, keep detailed notes. Who, what, where, when and who else was present.","human_ref_B":"What industry do you work in? People in these kinds of work environments like to argue that sexism and general toxicity are just natural, unavoidable parts of working in manufacturing, with the implication that if you can\u2019t put up with harassment, then you\u2019re not \u201ccut out\u201d for manufacturing. This is absolutely not true. There are companies out there that genuinely prioritize diversity and inclusion, even in production roles. I\u2019ve worked at companies with female manufacturing engineering managers and mostly-female manufacturing engineering teams. Don\u2019t think that you have to tolerate shitty work environments if you want to pursue a career in manufacturing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4605.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7c6m0","c_root_id_B":"hv7s25z","created_at_utc_A":1643758869,"created_at_utc_B":1643765492,"score_A":7,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"I think you can go after the company for something like this. Especially if their r other witnesses. Nobody should have to deal with that. I apologize and hope things get better.","human_ref_B":"What industry do you work in? People in these kinds of work environments like to argue that sexism and general toxicity are just natural, unavoidable parts of working in manufacturing, with the implication that if you can\u2019t put up with harassment, then you\u2019re not \u201ccut out\u201d for manufacturing. This is absolutely not true. There are companies out there that genuinely prioritize diversity and inclusion, even in production roles. I\u2019ve worked at companies with female manufacturing engineering managers and mostly-female manufacturing engineering teams. Don\u2019t think that you have to tolerate shitty work environments if you want to pursue a career in manufacturing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6623.0,"score_ratio":4.2857142857} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7s25z","c_root_id_B":"hv7clcr","created_at_utc_A":1643765492,"created_at_utc_B":1643759039,"score_A":30,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"What industry do you work in? People in these kinds of work environments like to argue that sexism and general toxicity are just natural, unavoidable parts of working in manufacturing, with the implication that if you can\u2019t put up with harassment, then you\u2019re not \u201ccut out\u201d for manufacturing. This is absolutely not true. There are companies out there that genuinely prioritize diversity and inclusion, even in production roles. I\u2019ve worked at companies with female manufacturing engineering managers and mostly-female manufacturing engineering teams. Don\u2019t think that you have to tolerate shitty work environments if you want to pursue a career in manufacturing.","human_ref_B":"Harrass them back.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6453.0,"score_ratio":4.2857142857} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7s25z","c_root_id_B":"hv7njof","created_at_utc_A":1643765492,"created_at_utc_B":1643763618,"score_A":30,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"What industry do you work in? People in these kinds of work environments like to argue that sexism and general toxicity are just natural, unavoidable parts of working in manufacturing, with the implication that if you can\u2019t put up with harassment, then you\u2019re not \u201ccut out\u201d for manufacturing. This is absolutely not true. There are companies out there that genuinely prioritize diversity and inclusion, even in production roles. I\u2019ve worked at companies with female manufacturing engineering managers and mostly-female manufacturing engineering teams. Don\u2019t think that you have to tolerate shitty work environments if you want to pursue a career in manufacturing.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a male engineer. I do not have any of these issues. I wish I had on point advice. I know how I would act but my personally wasn\u2019t grown the way yours was so my advice would sound dumb and placating. Please let me know how this works out. I certainly need this education. Many of my favorite coworkers (heck most of my friends) are female. We jibe, collaborate, attack problems together, and we make fun of the \u2018well, it\u2019s better when you say it\u2019 as if saying it in a higher or lower voice makes a difference because the real difference is merely that we don\u2019t listen. I am sorry you have to put up with this bullshit. I\u2019m in Ohio. I \/think\/ in all the factories I\u2019ve worked in this wouldn\u2019t fly for a moment. Don\u2019t get me wrong, I am a dog and I talk to the men as if I was raised by wolves and I will prison shank them, but that\u2019s punch up on only individuals who find that acceptable banter. I do not say that to subordinates, or people who would be offended or harmed in their authority to do their jobs. Factory talk is disgusting. I\u2019m a part of that problem. Hopefully I\u2019m on the funny Bill Burr end and not the creepy bad comedian end. Please let me know what you learn here or on the job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1874.0,"score_ratio":4.2857142857} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7s25z","c_root_id_B":"hv7px7c","created_at_utc_A":1643765492,"created_at_utc_B":1643764610,"score_A":30,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"What industry do you work in? People in these kinds of work environments like to argue that sexism and general toxicity are just natural, unavoidable parts of working in manufacturing, with the implication that if you can\u2019t put up with harassment, then you\u2019re not \u201ccut out\u201d for manufacturing. This is absolutely not true. There are companies out there that genuinely prioritize diversity and inclusion, even in production roles. I\u2019ve worked at companies with female manufacturing engineering managers and mostly-female manufacturing engineering teams. Don\u2019t think that you have to tolerate shitty work environments if you want to pursue a career in manufacturing.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019ve worked many thousand hours in assembly plants both as engineer and production supervision. I guess from assembly and union you might be automotive. There are absolutely scum out there but there are good leaders too. First line supervisors and even the production super intendants can be just as bad as the line team. Area managers and above were almost always more responsive or going through plant and launch engineering hierarchy. I don\u2019t know if it was because they were actually better or afraid of consequences of not responding. I wouldn\u2019t worry about trying to record evidence as much as trying to find the line where rough around the edges meets violation and when it is crossed making a federal case if needed, in particular with the male leaders that have daughters if you can figure that out. Should it be that way? No. But I\u2019ve seen it work as an effective shortcut. Otherwise use the reporting tools that are there. This is a case where HR is there to protect the company can actually help you because they will best know consequences of not addressing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":882.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7yq65","c_root_id_B":"hv83o50","created_at_utc_A":1643768251,"created_at_utc_B":1643770301,"score_A":18,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"I read all the comments. I had a job like you about 40 years ago - production engineer in a strong union environment. You're getting a lot of advice from young idealists to damn the torpedos and barge ahead with formal complaints. If you decide to do that, you should realize that once you start the ball rolling, things will be out of your control. The malfeasors may or may not get punished, but you can expect that you will be treated differently - in some ways better, in some ways worse. I was assaulted by a union guy who just couldn't stand being told what to do and not to do by a 25 year old regarding operation of a complicated chemical process. He got six weeks off, and I got the cold shoulder from the other operators - it didn't matter that I was doing my job and the operator was a known asshat. I solved my problems at that plant by leaving the company for another. BTW I never had problems with operators after that first experience in a union plant. But anyway, you asked so here's my advice. Don't suck up to the assholes, but don't threaten either. To the extent you can ignore the jerks, do so, but if you figure that if you ignore a behavior that is tantamount to condoning it, then go ahead and fight (within HR channels) for your dignity. And then start looking for another job.","human_ref_B":"I am an engineering manager in Michigan working in mostly unionized auto plants. I have two women working for me and if they experienced anything like you\u2019re experiencing I would be livid. It\u2019s not acceptable anymore. It was for a long time (not condoning it). Document your conversation with HR in an email. I\u2019ll bet they will be much less likely to try to talk you out of filing a complaint.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2050.0,"score_ratio":1.1111111111} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7vemf","c_root_id_B":"hv83o50","created_at_utc_A":1643766872,"created_at_utc_B":1643770301,"score_A":14,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Hello, I am also an engineer(F) in a manufacturing setting, for about 5 years now in 3 different companies. It is uncomfortable. But the easiest way to get them to stop is to be extra vocal when they do it. Really. It's uncomfortable because you seem like you're...difficult. But do it anyway. \"Stop with the comments, they're not welcomed, and I will do something about it if I hear them again.\" I had some comments made at my current company. \"I don't roll that way. I \\*am\\* that person, so I suggest you watch what you say.\" I said it calmly, and as \"nicely\" as I could, which is total bullshit. But now, people are...normal at least.","human_ref_B":"I am an engineering manager in Michigan working in mostly unionized auto plants. I have two women working for me and if they experienced anything like you\u2019re experiencing I would be livid. It\u2019s not acceptable anymore. It was for a long time (not condoning it). Document your conversation with HR in an email. I\u2019ll bet they will be much less likely to try to talk you out of filing a complaint.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3429.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7maof","c_root_id_B":"hv83o50","created_at_utc_A":1643763087,"created_at_utc_B":1643770301,"score_A":12,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Don't let this shit fly, fuck those Neanderthals. Raise hell with HR, and reach out to civil rights orgs. Unionized or not, no one should get a pass to harass others at work. As your fellow woman engineer who has been harassed at work, I'm rooting for you.","human_ref_B":"I am an engineering manager in Michigan working in mostly unionized auto plants. I have two women working for me and if they experienced anything like you\u2019re experiencing I would be livid. It\u2019s not acceptable anymore. It was for a long time (not condoning it). Document your conversation with HR in an email. I\u2019ll bet they will be much less likely to try to talk you out of filing a complaint.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7214.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7h1by","c_root_id_B":"hv83o50","created_at_utc_A":1643760887,"created_at_utc_B":1643770301,"score_A":9,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"If your local HR and manager won\u2019t help advocate, go higher. Companies are trying to achieve inclusion and diversity, anyone with half a brain will see the legal jeopardy that allowing such behavior brings. You have a legal right to a harassment free workplace. If you are not prepared to escalate at this time, keep detailed notes. Who, what, where, when and who else was present.","human_ref_B":"I am an engineering manager in Michigan working in mostly unionized auto plants. I have two women working for me and if they experienced anything like you\u2019re experiencing I would be livid. It\u2019s not acceptable anymore. It was for a long time (not condoning it). Document your conversation with HR in an email. I\u2019ll bet they will be much less likely to try to talk you out of filing a complaint.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9414.0,"score_ratio":2.2222222222} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7c6m0","c_root_id_B":"hv83o50","created_at_utc_A":1643758869,"created_at_utc_B":1643770301,"score_A":7,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"I think you can go after the company for something like this. Especially if their r other witnesses. Nobody should have to deal with that. I apologize and hope things get better.","human_ref_B":"I am an engineering manager in Michigan working in mostly unionized auto plants. I have two women working for me and if they experienced anything like you\u2019re experiencing I would be livid. It\u2019s not acceptable anymore. It was for a long time (not condoning it). Document your conversation with HR in an email. I\u2019ll bet they will be much less likely to try to talk you out of filing a complaint.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11432.0,"score_ratio":2.8571428571} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7clcr","c_root_id_B":"hv83o50","created_at_utc_A":1643759039,"created_at_utc_B":1643770301,"score_A":7,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Harrass them back.","human_ref_B":"I am an engineering manager in Michigan working in mostly unionized auto plants. I have two women working for me and if they experienced anything like you\u2019re experiencing I would be livid. It\u2019s not acceptable anymore. It was for a long time (not condoning it). Document your conversation with HR in an email. I\u2019ll bet they will be much less likely to try to talk you out of filing a complaint.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11262.0,"score_ratio":2.8571428571} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv83o50","c_root_id_B":"hv7njof","created_at_utc_A":1643770301,"created_at_utc_B":1643763618,"score_A":20,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I am an engineering manager in Michigan working in mostly unionized auto plants. I have two women working for me and if they experienced anything like you\u2019re experiencing I would be livid. It\u2019s not acceptable anymore. It was for a long time (not condoning it). Document your conversation with HR in an email. I\u2019ll bet they will be much less likely to try to talk you out of filing a complaint.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a male engineer. I do not have any of these issues. I wish I had on point advice. I know how I would act but my personally wasn\u2019t grown the way yours was so my advice would sound dumb and placating. Please let me know how this works out. I certainly need this education. Many of my favorite coworkers (heck most of my friends) are female. We jibe, collaborate, attack problems together, and we make fun of the \u2018well, it\u2019s better when you say it\u2019 as if saying it in a higher or lower voice makes a difference because the real difference is merely that we don\u2019t listen. I am sorry you have to put up with this bullshit. I\u2019m in Ohio. I \/think\/ in all the factories I\u2019ve worked in this wouldn\u2019t fly for a moment. Don\u2019t get me wrong, I am a dog and I talk to the men as if I was raised by wolves and I will prison shank them, but that\u2019s punch up on only individuals who find that acceptable banter. I do not say that to subordinates, or people who would be offended or harmed in their authority to do their jobs. Factory talk is disgusting. I\u2019m a part of that problem. Hopefully I\u2019m on the funny Bill Burr end and not the creepy bad comedian end. Please let me know what you learn here or on the job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6683.0,"score_ratio":2.8571428571} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7px7c","c_root_id_B":"hv83o50","created_at_utc_A":1643764610,"created_at_utc_B":1643770301,"score_A":6,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve worked many thousand hours in assembly plants both as engineer and production supervision. I guess from assembly and union you might be automotive. There are absolutely scum out there but there are good leaders too. First line supervisors and even the production super intendants can be just as bad as the line team. Area managers and above were almost always more responsive or going through plant and launch engineering hierarchy. I don\u2019t know if it was because they were actually better or afraid of consequences of not responding. I wouldn\u2019t worry about trying to record evidence as much as trying to find the line where rough around the edges meets violation and when it is crossed making a federal case if needed, in particular with the male leaders that have daughters if you can figure that out. Should it be that way? No. But I\u2019ve seen it work as an effective shortcut. Otherwise use the reporting tools that are there. This is a case where HR is there to protect the company can actually help you because they will best know consequences of not addressing.","human_ref_B":"I am an engineering manager in Michigan working in mostly unionized auto plants. I have two women working for me and if they experienced anything like you\u2019re experiencing I would be livid. It\u2019s not acceptable anymore. It was for a long time (not condoning it). Document your conversation with HR in an email. I\u2019ll bet they will be much less likely to try to talk you out of filing a complaint.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5691.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv8326d","c_root_id_B":"hv83o50","created_at_utc_A":1643770045,"created_at_utc_B":1643770301,"score_A":6,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"I HATE HATE HATE scums of the earth that sexually harass women.","human_ref_B":"I am an engineering manager in Michigan working in mostly unionized auto plants. I have two women working for me and if they experienced anything like you\u2019re experiencing I would be livid. It\u2019s not acceptable anymore. It was for a long time (not condoning it). Document your conversation with HR in an email. I\u2019ll bet they will be much less likely to try to talk you out of filing a complaint.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":256.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7wnqq","c_root_id_B":"hv83o50","created_at_utc_A":1643767389,"created_at_utc_B":1643770301,"score_A":4,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"\"As to be expected in any plant\". No. Do not accept this. They are grownups who should be expected to behave like grownups. You are a person deserving of equal respect and consideration as any of your peers. One option that might work well for you and HR would be to requesting sexual harassment training for the company that lays out the consequences for ignoring the law or at least company policy. With that fresh in their minds, it should give you more support\u2013and, perhaps, direction and agency\u2013in responding. In the meantime, filing a report with HR is absolutely the right course of action. If they don't do anything about it, the local government probably wants to know about that.","human_ref_B":"I am an engineering manager in Michigan working in mostly unionized auto plants. I have two women working for me and if they experienced anything like you\u2019re experiencing I would be livid. It\u2019s not acceptable anymore. It was for a long time (not condoning it). Document your conversation with HR in an email. I\u2019ll bet they will be much less likely to try to talk you out of filing a complaint.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2912.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7skm5","c_root_id_B":"hv83o50","created_at_utc_A":1643765703,"created_at_utc_B":1643770301,"score_A":3,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Start carrying a recorder. This is not acceptable. I worked as a machinist and I've never seen any employer tolerate such behavior","human_ref_B":"I am an engineering manager in Michigan working in mostly unionized auto plants. I have two women working for me and if they experienced anything like you\u2019re experiencing I would be livid. It\u2019s not acceptable anymore. It was for a long time (not condoning it). Document your conversation with HR in an email. I\u2019ll bet they will be much less likely to try to talk you out of filing a complaint.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4598.0,"score_ratio":6.6666666667} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7vemf","c_root_id_B":"hv7yq65","created_at_utc_A":1643766872,"created_at_utc_B":1643768251,"score_A":14,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"Hello, I am also an engineer(F) in a manufacturing setting, for about 5 years now in 3 different companies. It is uncomfortable. But the easiest way to get them to stop is to be extra vocal when they do it. Really. It's uncomfortable because you seem like you're...difficult. But do it anyway. \"Stop with the comments, they're not welcomed, and I will do something about it if I hear them again.\" I had some comments made at my current company. \"I don't roll that way. I \\*am\\* that person, so I suggest you watch what you say.\" I said it calmly, and as \"nicely\" as I could, which is total bullshit. But now, people are...normal at least.","human_ref_B":"I read all the comments. I had a job like you about 40 years ago - production engineer in a strong union environment. You're getting a lot of advice from young idealists to damn the torpedos and barge ahead with formal complaints. If you decide to do that, you should realize that once you start the ball rolling, things will be out of your control. The malfeasors may or may not get punished, but you can expect that you will be treated differently - in some ways better, in some ways worse. I was assaulted by a union guy who just couldn't stand being told what to do and not to do by a 25 year old regarding operation of a complicated chemical process. He got six weeks off, and I got the cold shoulder from the other operators - it didn't matter that I was doing my job and the operator was a known asshat. I solved my problems at that plant by leaving the company for another. BTW I never had problems with operators after that first experience in a union plant. But anyway, you asked so here's my advice. Don't suck up to the assholes, but don't threaten either. To the extent you can ignore the jerks, do so, but if you figure that if you ignore a behavior that is tantamount to condoning it, then go ahead and fight (within HR channels) for your dignity. And then start looking for another job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1379.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7maof","c_root_id_B":"hv7yq65","created_at_utc_A":1643763087,"created_at_utc_B":1643768251,"score_A":12,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"Don't let this shit fly, fuck those Neanderthals. Raise hell with HR, and reach out to civil rights orgs. Unionized or not, no one should get a pass to harass others at work. As your fellow woman engineer who has been harassed at work, I'm rooting for you.","human_ref_B":"I read all the comments. I had a job like you about 40 years ago - production engineer in a strong union environment. You're getting a lot of advice from young idealists to damn the torpedos and barge ahead with formal complaints. If you decide to do that, you should realize that once you start the ball rolling, things will be out of your control. The malfeasors may or may not get punished, but you can expect that you will be treated differently - in some ways better, in some ways worse. I was assaulted by a union guy who just couldn't stand being told what to do and not to do by a 25 year old regarding operation of a complicated chemical process. He got six weeks off, and I got the cold shoulder from the other operators - it didn't matter that I was doing my job and the operator was a known asshat. I solved my problems at that plant by leaving the company for another. BTW I never had problems with operators after that first experience in a union plant. But anyway, you asked so here's my advice. Don't suck up to the assholes, but don't threaten either. To the extent you can ignore the jerks, do so, but if you figure that if you ignore a behavior that is tantamount to condoning it, then go ahead and fight (within HR channels) for your dignity. And then start looking for another job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5164.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7yq65","c_root_id_B":"hv7h1by","created_at_utc_A":1643768251,"created_at_utc_B":1643760887,"score_A":18,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I read all the comments. I had a job like you about 40 years ago - production engineer in a strong union environment. You're getting a lot of advice from young idealists to damn the torpedos and barge ahead with formal complaints. If you decide to do that, you should realize that once you start the ball rolling, things will be out of your control. The malfeasors may or may not get punished, but you can expect that you will be treated differently - in some ways better, in some ways worse. I was assaulted by a union guy who just couldn't stand being told what to do and not to do by a 25 year old regarding operation of a complicated chemical process. He got six weeks off, and I got the cold shoulder from the other operators - it didn't matter that I was doing my job and the operator was a known asshat. I solved my problems at that plant by leaving the company for another. BTW I never had problems with operators after that first experience in a union plant. But anyway, you asked so here's my advice. Don't suck up to the assholes, but don't threaten either. To the extent you can ignore the jerks, do so, but if you figure that if you ignore a behavior that is tantamount to condoning it, then go ahead and fight (within HR channels) for your dignity. And then start looking for another job.","human_ref_B":"If your local HR and manager won\u2019t help advocate, go higher. Companies are trying to achieve inclusion and diversity, anyone with half a brain will see the legal jeopardy that allowing such behavior brings. You have a legal right to a harassment free workplace. If you are not prepared to escalate at this time, keep detailed notes. Who, what, where, when and who else was present.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7364.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7yq65","c_root_id_B":"hv7c6m0","created_at_utc_A":1643768251,"created_at_utc_B":1643758869,"score_A":18,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I read all the comments. I had a job like you about 40 years ago - production engineer in a strong union environment. You're getting a lot of advice from young idealists to damn the torpedos and barge ahead with formal complaints. If you decide to do that, you should realize that once you start the ball rolling, things will be out of your control. The malfeasors may or may not get punished, but you can expect that you will be treated differently - in some ways better, in some ways worse. I was assaulted by a union guy who just couldn't stand being told what to do and not to do by a 25 year old regarding operation of a complicated chemical process. He got six weeks off, and I got the cold shoulder from the other operators - it didn't matter that I was doing my job and the operator was a known asshat. I solved my problems at that plant by leaving the company for another. BTW I never had problems with operators after that first experience in a union plant. But anyway, you asked so here's my advice. Don't suck up to the assholes, but don't threaten either. To the extent you can ignore the jerks, do so, but if you figure that if you ignore a behavior that is tantamount to condoning it, then go ahead and fight (within HR channels) for your dignity. And then start looking for another job.","human_ref_B":"I think you can go after the company for something like this. Especially if their r other witnesses. Nobody should have to deal with that. I apologize and hope things get better.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9382.0,"score_ratio":2.5714285714} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7yq65","c_root_id_B":"hv7clcr","created_at_utc_A":1643768251,"created_at_utc_B":1643759039,"score_A":18,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I read all the comments. I had a job like you about 40 years ago - production engineer in a strong union environment. You're getting a lot of advice from young idealists to damn the torpedos and barge ahead with formal complaints. If you decide to do that, you should realize that once you start the ball rolling, things will be out of your control. The malfeasors may or may not get punished, but you can expect that you will be treated differently - in some ways better, in some ways worse. I was assaulted by a union guy who just couldn't stand being told what to do and not to do by a 25 year old regarding operation of a complicated chemical process. He got six weeks off, and I got the cold shoulder from the other operators - it didn't matter that I was doing my job and the operator was a known asshat. I solved my problems at that plant by leaving the company for another. BTW I never had problems with operators after that first experience in a union plant. But anyway, you asked so here's my advice. Don't suck up to the assholes, but don't threaten either. To the extent you can ignore the jerks, do so, but if you figure that if you ignore a behavior that is tantamount to condoning it, then go ahead and fight (within HR channels) for your dignity. And then start looking for another job.","human_ref_B":"Harrass them back.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9212.0,"score_ratio":2.5714285714} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7njof","c_root_id_B":"hv7yq65","created_at_utc_A":1643763618,"created_at_utc_B":1643768251,"score_A":7,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a male engineer. I do not have any of these issues. I wish I had on point advice. I know how I would act but my personally wasn\u2019t grown the way yours was so my advice would sound dumb and placating. Please let me know how this works out. I certainly need this education. Many of my favorite coworkers (heck most of my friends) are female. We jibe, collaborate, attack problems together, and we make fun of the \u2018well, it\u2019s better when you say it\u2019 as if saying it in a higher or lower voice makes a difference because the real difference is merely that we don\u2019t listen. I am sorry you have to put up with this bullshit. I\u2019m in Ohio. I \/think\/ in all the factories I\u2019ve worked in this wouldn\u2019t fly for a moment. Don\u2019t get me wrong, I am a dog and I talk to the men as if I was raised by wolves and I will prison shank them, but that\u2019s punch up on only individuals who find that acceptable banter. I do not say that to subordinates, or people who would be offended or harmed in their authority to do their jobs. Factory talk is disgusting. I\u2019m a part of that problem. Hopefully I\u2019m on the funny Bill Burr end and not the creepy bad comedian end. Please let me know what you learn here or on the job.","human_ref_B":"I read all the comments. I had a job like you about 40 years ago - production engineer in a strong union environment. You're getting a lot of advice from young idealists to damn the torpedos and barge ahead with formal complaints. If you decide to do that, you should realize that once you start the ball rolling, things will be out of your control. The malfeasors may or may not get punished, but you can expect that you will be treated differently - in some ways better, in some ways worse. I was assaulted by a union guy who just couldn't stand being told what to do and not to do by a 25 year old regarding operation of a complicated chemical process. He got six weeks off, and I got the cold shoulder from the other operators - it didn't matter that I was doing my job and the operator was a known asshat. I solved my problems at that plant by leaving the company for another. BTW I never had problems with operators after that first experience in a union plant. But anyway, you asked so here's my advice. Don't suck up to the assholes, but don't threaten either. To the extent you can ignore the jerks, do so, but if you figure that if you ignore a behavior that is tantamount to condoning it, then go ahead and fight (within HR channels) for your dignity. And then start looking for another job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4633.0,"score_ratio":2.5714285714} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7yq65","c_root_id_B":"hv7px7c","created_at_utc_A":1643768251,"created_at_utc_B":1643764610,"score_A":18,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I read all the comments. I had a job like you about 40 years ago - production engineer in a strong union environment. You're getting a lot of advice from young idealists to damn the torpedos and barge ahead with formal complaints. If you decide to do that, you should realize that once you start the ball rolling, things will be out of your control. The malfeasors may or may not get punished, but you can expect that you will be treated differently - in some ways better, in some ways worse. I was assaulted by a union guy who just couldn't stand being told what to do and not to do by a 25 year old regarding operation of a complicated chemical process. He got six weeks off, and I got the cold shoulder from the other operators - it didn't matter that I was doing my job and the operator was a known asshat. I solved my problems at that plant by leaving the company for another. BTW I never had problems with operators after that first experience in a union plant. But anyway, you asked so here's my advice. Don't suck up to the assholes, but don't threaten either. To the extent you can ignore the jerks, do so, but if you figure that if you ignore a behavior that is tantamount to condoning it, then go ahead and fight (within HR channels) for your dignity. And then start looking for another job.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019ve worked many thousand hours in assembly plants both as engineer and production supervision. I guess from assembly and union you might be automotive. There are absolutely scum out there but there are good leaders too. First line supervisors and even the production super intendants can be just as bad as the line team. Area managers and above were almost always more responsive or going through plant and launch engineering hierarchy. I don\u2019t know if it was because they were actually better or afraid of consequences of not responding. I wouldn\u2019t worry about trying to record evidence as much as trying to find the line where rough around the edges meets violation and when it is crossed making a federal case if needed, in particular with the male leaders that have daughters if you can figure that out. Should it be that way? No. But I\u2019ve seen it work as an effective shortcut. Otherwise use the reporting tools that are there. This is a case where HR is there to protect the company can actually help you because they will best know consequences of not addressing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3641.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7wnqq","c_root_id_B":"hv7yq65","created_at_utc_A":1643767389,"created_at_utc_B":1643768251,"score_A":4,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"\"As to be expected in any plant\". No. Do not accept this. They are grownups who should be expected to behave like grownups. You are a person deserving of equal respect and consideration as any of your peers. One option that might work well for you and HR would be to requesting sexual harassment training for the company that lays out the consequences for ignoring the law or at least company policy. With that fresh in their minds, it should give you more support\u2013and, perhaps, direction and agency\u2013in responding. In the meantime, filing a report with HR is absolutely the right course of action. If they don't do anything about it, the local government probably wants to know about that.","human_ref_B":"I read all the comments. I had a job like you about 40 years ago - production engineer in a strong union environment. You're getting a lot of advice from young idealists to damn the torpedos and barge ahead with formal complaints. If you decide to do that, you should realize that once you start the ball rolling, things will be out of your control. The malfeasors may or may not get punished, but you can expect that you will be treated differently - in some ways better, in some ways worse. I was assaulted by a union guy who just couldn't stand being told what to do and not to do by a 25 year old regarding operation of a complicated chemical process. He got six weeks off, and I got the cold shoulder from the other operators - it didn't matter that I was doing my job and the operator was a known asshat. I solved my problems at that plant by leaving the company for another. BTW I never had problems with operators after that first experience in a union plant. But anyway, you asked so here's my advice. Don't suck up to the assholes, but don't threaten either. To the extent you can ignore the jerks, do so, but if you figure that if you ignore a behavior that is tantamount to condoning it, then go ahead and fight (within HR channels) for your dignity. And then start looking for another job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":862.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7skm5","c_root_id_B":"hv7yq65","created_at_utc_A":1643765703,"created_at_utc_B":1643768251,"score_A":3,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"Start carrying a recorder. This is not acceptable. I worked as a machinist and I've never seen any employer tolerate such behavior","human_ref_B":"I read all the comments. I had a job like you about 40 years ago - production engineer in a strong union environment. You're getting a lot of advice from young idealists to damn the torpedos and barge ahead with formal complaints. If you decide to do that, you should realize that once you start the ball rolling, things will be out of your control. The malfeasors may or may not get punished, but you can expect that you will be treated differently - in some ways better, in some ways worse. I was assaulted by a union guy who just couldn't stand being told what to do and not to do by a 25 year old regarding operation of a complicated chemical process. He got six weeks off, and I got the cold shoulder from the other operators - it didn't matter that I was doing my job and the operator was a known asshat. I solved my problems at that plant by leaving the company for another. BTW I never had problems with operators after that first experience in a union plant. But anyway, you asked so here's my advice. Don't suck up to the assholes, but don't threaten either. To the extent you can ignore the jerks, do so, but if you figure that if you ignore a behavior that is tantamount to condoning it, then go ahead and fight (within HR channels) for your dignity. And then start looking for another job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2548.0,"score_ratio":6.0} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7maof","c_root_id_B":"hv7vemf","created_at_utc_A":1643763087,"created_at_utc_B":1643766872,"score_A":12,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Don't let this shit fly, fuck those Neanderthals. Raise hell with HR, and reach out to civil rights orgs. Unionized or not, no one should get a pass to harass others at work. As your fellow woman engineer who has been harassed at work, I'm rooting for you.","human_ref_B":"Hello, I am also an engineer(F) in a manufacturing setting, for about 5 years now in 3 different companies. It is uncomfortable. But the easiest way to get them to stop is to be extra vocal when they do it. Really. It's uncomfortable because you seem like you're...difficult. But do it anyway. \"Stop with the comments, they're not welcomed, and I will do something about it if I hear them again.\" I had some comments made at my current company. \"I don't roll that way. I \\*am\\* that person, so I suggest you watch what you say.\" I said it calmly, and as \"nicely\" as I could, which is total bullshit. But now, people are...normal at least.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3785.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7vemf","c_root_id_B":"hv7h1by","created_at_utc_A":1643766872,"created_at_utc_B":1643760887,"score_A":14,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Hello, I am also an engineer(F) in a manufacturing setting, for about 5 years now in 3 different companies. It is uncomfortable. But the easiest way to get them to stop is to be extra vocal when they do it. Really. It's uncomfortable because you seem like you're...difficult. But do it anyway. \"Stop with the comments, they're not welcomed, and I will do something about it if I hear them again.\" I had some comments made at my current company. \"I don't roll that way. I \\*am\\* that person, so I suggest you watch what you say.\" I said it calmly, and as \"nicely\" as I could, which is total bullshit. But now, people are...normal at least.","human_ref_B":"If your local HR and manager won\u2019t help advocate, go higher. Companies are trying to achieve inclusion and diversity, anyone with half a brain will see the legal jeopardy that allowing such behavior brings. You have a legal right to a harassment free workplace. If you are not prepared to escalate at this time, keep detailed notes. Who, what, where, when and who else was present.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5985.0,"score_ratio":1.5555555556} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7c6m0","c_root_id_B":"hv7vemf","created_at_utc_A":1643758869,"created_at_utc_B":1643766872,"score_A":7,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I think you can go after the company for something like this. Especially if their r other witnesses. Nobody should have to deal with that. I apologize and hope things get better.","human_ref_B":"Hello, I am also an engineer(F) in a manufacturing setting, for about 5 years now in 3 different companies. It is uncomfortable. But the easiest way to get them to stop is to be extra vocal when they do it. Really. It's uncomfortable because you seem like you're...difficult. But do it anyway. \"Stop with the comments, they're not welcomed, and I will do something about it if I hear them again.\" I had some comments made at my current company. \"I don't roll that way. I \\*am\\* that person, so I suggest you watch what you say.\" I said it calmly, and as \"nicely\" as I could, which is total bullshit. But now, people are...normal at least.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8003.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7clcr","c_root_id_B":"hv7vemf","created_at_utc_A":1643759039,"created_at_utc_B":1643766872,"score_A":7,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Harrass them back.","human_ref_B":"Hello, I am also an engineer(F) in a manufacturing setting, for about 5 years now in 3 different companies. It is uncomfortable. But the easiest way to get them to stop is to be extra vocal when they do it. Really. It's uncomfortable because you seem like you're...difficult. But do it anyway. \"Stop with the comments, they're not welcomed, and I will do something about it if I hear them again.\" I had some comments made at my current company. \"I don't roll that way. I \\*am\\* that person, so I suggest you watch what you say.\" I said it calmly, and as \"nicely\" as I could, which is total bullshit. But now, people are...normal at least.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7833.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7njof","c_root_id_B":"hv7vemf","created_at_utc_A":1643763618,"created_at_utc_B":1643766872,"score_A":7,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a male engineer. I do not have any of these issues. I wish I had on point advice. I know how I would act but my personally wasn\u2019t grown the way yours was so my advice would sound dumb and placating. Please let me know how this works out. I certainly need this education. Many of my favorite coworkers (heck most of my friends) are female. We jibe, collaborate, attack problems together, and we make fun of the \u2018well, it\u2019s better when you say it\u2019 as if saying it in a higher or lower voice makes a difference because the real difference is merely that we don\u2019t listen. I am sorry you have to put up with this bullshit. I\u2019m in Ohio. I \/think\/ in all the factories I\u2019ve worked in this wouldn\u2019t fly for a moment. Don\u2019t get me wrong, I am a dog and I talk to the men as if I was raised by wolves and I will prison shank them, but that\u2019s punch up on only individuals who find that acceptable banter. I do not say that to subordinates, or people who would be offended or harmed in their authority to do their jobs. Factory talk is disgusting. I\u2019m a part of that problem. Hopefully I\u2019m on the funny Bill Burr end and not the creepy bad comedian end. Please let me know what you learn here or on the job.","human_ref_B":"Hello, I am also an engineer(F) in a manufacturing setting, for about 5 years now in 3 different companies. It is uncomfortable. But the easiest way to get them to stop is to be extra vocal when they do it. Really. It's uncomfortable because you seem like you're...difficult. But do it anyway. \"Stop with the comments, they're not welcomed, and I will do something about it if I hear them again.\" I had some comments made at my current company. \"I don't roll that way. I \\*am\\* that person, so I suggest you watch what you say.\" I said it calmly, and as \"nicely\" as I could, which is total bullshit. But now, people are...normal at least.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3254.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7vemf","c_root_id_B":"hv7px7c","created_at_utc_A":1643766872,"created_at_utc_B":1643764610,"score_A":14,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Hello, I am also an engineer(F) in a manufacturing setting, for about 5 years now in 3 different companies. It is uncomfortable. But the easiest way to get them to stop is to be extra vocal when they do it. Really. It's uncomfortable because you seem like you're...difficult. But do it anyway. \"Stop with the comments, they're not welcomed, and I will do something about it if I hear them again.\" I had some comments made at my current company. \"I don't roll that way. I \\*am\\* that person, so I suggest you watch what you say.\" I said it calmly, and as \"nicely\" as I could, which is total bullshit. But now, people are...normal at least.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019ve worked many thousand hours in assembly plants both as engineer and production supervision. I guess from assembly and union you might be automotive. There are absolutely scum out there but there are good leaders too. First line supervisors and even the production super intendants can be just as bad as the line team. Area managers and above were almost always more responsive or going through plant and launch engineering hierarchy. I don\u2019t know if it was because they were actually better or afraid of consequences of not responding. I wouldn\u2019t worry about trying to record evidence as much as trying to find the line where rough around the edges meets violation and when it is crossed making a federal case if needed, in particular with the male leaders that have daughters if you can figure that out. Should it be that way? No. But I\u2019ve seen it work as an effective shortcut. Otherwise use the reporting tools that are there. This is a case where HR is there to protect the company can actually help you because they will best know consequences of not addressing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2262.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7vemf","c_root_id_B":"hv7skm5","created_at_utc_A":1643766872,"created_at_utc_B":1643765703,"score_A":14,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Hello, I am also an engineer(F) in a manufacturing setting, for about 5 years now in 3 different companies. It is uncomfortable. But the easiest way to get them to stop is to be extra vocal when they do it. Really. It's uncomfortable because you seem like you're...difficult. But do it anyway. \"Stop with the comments, they're not welcomed, and I will do something about it if I hear them again.\" I had some comments made at my current company. \"I don't roll that way. I \\*am\\* that person, so I suggest you watch what you say.\" I said it calmly, and as \"nicely\" as I could, which is total bullshit. But now, people are...normal at least.","human_ref_B":"Start carrying a recorder. This is not acceptable. I worked as a machinist and I've never seen any employer tolerate such behavior","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1169.0,"score_ratio":4.6666666667} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7maof","c_root_id_B":"hv7h1by","created_at_utc_A":1643763087,"created_at_utc_B":1643760887,"score_A":12,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Don't let this shit fly, fuck those Neanderthals. Raise hell with HR, and reach out to civil rights orgs. Unionized or not, no one should get a pass to harass others at work. As your fellow woman engineer who has been harassed at work, I'm rooting for you.","human_ref_B":"If your local HR and manager won\u2019t help advocate, go higher. Companies are trying to achieve inclusion and diversity, anyone with half a brain will see the legal jeopardy that allowing such behavior brings. You have a legal right to a harassment free workplace. If you are not prepared to escalate at this time, keep detailed notes. Who, what, where, when and who else was present.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2200.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7c6m0","c_root_id_B":"hv7maof","created_at_utc_A":1643758869,"created_at_utc_B":1643763087,"score_A":7,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I think you can go after the company for something like this. Especially if their r other witnesses. Nobody should have to deal with that. I apologize and hope things get better.","human_ref_B":"Don't let this shit fly, fuck those Neanderthals. Raise hell with HR, and reach out to civil rights orgs. Unionized or not, no one should get a pass to harass others at work. As your fellow woman engineer who has been harassed at work, I'm rooting for you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4218.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7maof","c_root_id_B":"hv7clcr","created_at_utc_A":1643763087,"created_at_utc_B":1643759039,"score_A":12,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Don't let this shit fly, fuck those Neanderthals. Raise hell with HR, and reach out to civil rights orgs. Unionized or not, no one should get a pass to harass others at work. As your fellow woman engineer who has been harassed at work, I'm rooting for you.","human_ref_B":"Harrass them back.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4048.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7c6m0","c_root_id_B":"hv7h1by","created_at_utc_A":1643758869,"created_at_utc_B":1643760887,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I think you can go after the company for something like this. Especially if their r other witnesses. Nobody should have to deal with that. I apologize and hope things get better.","human_ref_B":"If your local HR and manager won\u2019t help advocate, go higher. Companies are trying to achieve inclusion and diversity, anyone with half a brain will see the legal jeopardy that allowing such behavior brings. You have a legal right to a harassment free workplace. If you are not prepared to escalate at this time, keep detailed notes. Who, what, where, when and who else was present.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2018.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7clcr","c_root_id_B":"hv7h1by","created_at_utc_A":1643759039,"created_at_utc_B":1643760887,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Harrass them back.","human_ref_B":"If your local HR and manager won\u2019t help advocate, go higher. Companies are trying to achieve inclusion and diversity, anyone with half a brain will see the legal jeopardy that allowing such behavior brings. You have a legal right to a harassment free workplace. If you are not prepared to escalate at this time, keep detailed notes. Who, what, where, when and who else was present.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1848.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv8326d","c_root_id_B":"hv7wnqq","created_at_utc_A":1643770045,"created_at_utc_B":1643767389,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I HATE HATE HATE scums of the earth that sexually harass women.","human_ref_B":"\"As to be expected in any plant\". No. Do not accept this. They are grownups who should be expected to behave like grownups. You are a person deserving of equal respect and consideration as any of your peers. One option that might work well for you and HR would be to requesting sexual harassment training for the company that lays out the consequences for ignoring the law or at least company policy. With that fresh in their minds, it should give you more support\u2013and, perhaps, direction and agency\u2013in responding. In the meantime, filing a report with HR is absolutely the right course of action. If they don't do anything about it, the local government probably wants to know about that.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2656.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv8326d","c_root_id_B":"hv7skm5","created_at_utc_A":1643770045,"created_at_utc_B":1643765703,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I HATE HATE HATE scums of the earth that sexually harass women.","human_ref_B":"Start carrying a recorder. This is not acceptable. I worked as a machinist and I've never seen any employer tolerate such behavior","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4342.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv861pi","c_root_id_B":"hv7wnqq","created_at_utc_A":1643771312,"created_at_utc_B":1643767389,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Just going to guess you work at an automotive plant. The UAW acts like they own the place out there and get away with all kinds of shit. My advice is to say something to the Superintendant or process coach on the production side about it. They are required to formally report it and the line workers are ultimately their responsibility. Plus some of them would love nothing more than to have some ammo to take to the union for some problem employees.","human_ref_B":"\"As to be expected in any plant\". No. Do not accept this. They are grownups who should be expected to behave like grownups. You are a person deserving of equal respect and consideration as any of your peers. One option that might work well for you and HR would be to requesting sexual harassment training for the company that lays out the consequences for ignoring the law or at least company policy. With that fresh in their minds, it should give you more support\u2013and, perhaps, direction and agency\u2013in responding. In the meantime, filing a report with HR is absolutely the right course of action. If they don't do anything about it, the local government probably wants to know about that.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3923.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv861pi","c_root_id_B":"hv7skm5","created_at_utc_A":1643771312,"created_at_utc_B":1643765703,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Just going to guess you work at an automotive plant. The UAW acts like they own the place out there and get away with all kinds of shit. My advice is to say something to the Superintendant or process coach on the production side about it. They are required to formally report it and the line workers are ultimately their responsibility. Plus some of them would love nothing more than to have some ammo to take to the union for some problem employees.","human_ref_B":"Start carrying a recorder. This is not acceptable. I worked as a machinist and I've never seen any employer tolerate such behavior","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5609.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"si97t7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Woman engineer working in a factory setting I have been working as an engineer in an assembly plant for the past year now. There's a lot that I enjoy about it, like the pace and the ability to go down to the line and trial things as necessary, however as is to be expected with any plant, as a woman I have a very different experience walking around the line than my coworkers who are predominantly men. Recently I have been on the plant floor more often and the comments and blatant sexual harassment are becoming more frequent. I have asked some people for advice or if I could potentially go to HR to file a complaint or have certain employees moved or disciplined. The employees on the line are union employees and I have been discouraged from doing so for this reason. For several reasons I would not be able to join a union in my current role, and my HR department will not even approach the union department when it comes to complaints like this because it is looked at as a loosing battle. Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so do you have any advice?","c_root_id_A":"hv7skm5","c_root_id_B":"hv7wnqq","created_at_utc_A":1643765703,"created_at_utc_B":1643767389,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Start carrying a recorder. This is not acceptable. I worked as a machinist and I've never seen any employer tolerate such behavior","human_ref_B":"\"As to be expected in any plant\". No. Do not accept this. They are grownups who should be expected to behave like grownups. You are a person deserving of equal respect and consideration as any of your peers. One option that might work well for you and HR would be to requesting sexual harassment training for the company that lays out the consequences for ignoring the law or at least company policy. With that fresh in their minds, it should give you more support\u2013and, perhaps, direction and agency\u2013in responding. In the meantime, filing a report with HR is absolutely the right course of action. If they don't do anything about it, the local government probably wants to know about that.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1686.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxqm5n","c_root_id_B":"duxrrtv","created_at_utc_A":1519780158,"created_at_utc_B":1519781381,"score_A":129,"score_B":135,"human_ref_A":"You could see if there is a local section of the \"Society Of Women Engineers\" \"SWE\"] by using their [\"at a store near you\" finder. They could help you out.","human_ref_B":"1. You absolutely can be an engineer. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. 2. Engineering, at a glance, is people solving real world problems using principles of Math, Science, and Physics. Once you start to learn more you'll see that engineering as a field is incredible diverse. 3. You could be designing bridges, roads, sewers, apartment buildings, schools, high rises, cars, aircraft, boats, computers, cameras, refrigerators, microwaves, radios, microphones, televisions, street lights, semi truck, oil tanker trailers, oil and gas pipelines, fertilizer production facilities, plastic production facilities, open pit copper mines, underground salt mines, hairspray manufacturing lines, cell phone assembly lines, automated bottle filling lines, and so much more. And that's just Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Chemical Engineering, and Mining Engineering. 4. If you'd like additional resources on how things, like computer monitors, aluminum cans, etc. are made and also some commentary of why certain engineering decisions are made, have a look at The Engineer Guy on youtube. https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/engineerguyvideo\/videos?flow=grid&view=0&sort=p There are many principles that he explains that apply to pretty much every field of engineering.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1223.0,"score_ratio":1.0465116279} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxpr39","c_root_id_B":"duxrrtv","created_at_utc_A":1519779201,"created_at_utc_B":1519781381,"score_A":29,"score_B":135,"human_ref_A":"In the most generic terms engineers need a strong understanding of physics and mathematics to solve problems. All engineering careers need a bachelors degree of with the specific degree depending on the desired career. Engineering is quite literally in every field you can think of, so you need to decide what aspect you want to be apart of design, manufacturing, etc. I recommend google different careers and seeing what peaks your interest and see if you can shadow a local company.","human_ref_B":"1. You absolutely can be an engineer. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. 2. Engineering, at a glance, is people solving real world problems using principles of Math, Science, and Physics. Once you start to learn more you'll see that engineering as a field is incredible diverse. 3. You could be designing bridges, roads, sewers, apartment buildings, schools, high rises, cars, aircraft, boats, computers, cameras, refrigerators, microwaves, radios, microphones, televisions, street lights, semi truck, oil tanker trailers, oil and gas pipelines, fertilizer production facilities, plastic production facilities, open pit copper mines, underground salt mines, hairspray manufacturing lines, cell phone assembly lines, automated bottle filling lines, and so much more. And that's just Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Chemical Engineering, and Mining Engineering. 4. If you'd like additional resources on how things, like computer monitors, aluminum cans, etc. are made and also some commentary of why certain engineering decisions are made, have a look at The Engineer Guy on youtube. https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/engineerguyvideo\/videos?flow=grid&view=0&sort=p There are many principles that he explains that apply to pretty much every field of engineering.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2180.0,"score_ratio":4.6551724138} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxqe4n","c_root_id_B":"duxrrtv","created_at_utc_A":1519779909,"created_at_utc_B":1519781381,"score_A":23,"score_B":135,"human_ref_A":"It's a hard one really. Because there is so many subsets. For instance, I'm an Electrical Engineer. But within EE you can be a researcher, a designer, a construction engineer, or maintenance engineer. You could also be in power generation, instrumentation, control systems, plc programming, power distribution, combustion, communication & signals and many more. There's no one size fits all and where you think you'll go may not be where you end up. I always suggest one of the 4 main. Civil Mechanical, Electrical or Chemical. Women generally tend towards Chemical then Electrical from what I have noticed. I think Electrical is the best but I am biased :)","human_ref_B":"1. You absolutely can be an engineer. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. 2. Engineering, at a glance, is people solving real world problems using principles of Math, Science, and Physics. Once you start to learn more you'll see that engineering as a field is incredible diverse. 3. You could be designing bridges, roads, sewers, apartment buildings, schools, high rises, cars, aircraft, boats, computers, cameras, refrigerators, microwaves, radios, microphones, televisions, street lights, semi truck, oil tanker trailers, oil and gas pipelines, fertilizer production facilities, plastic production facilities, open pit copper mines, underground salt mines, hairspray manufacturing lines, cell phone assembly lines, automated bottle filling lines, and so much more. And that's just Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Chemical Engineering, and Mining Engineering. 4. If you'd like additional resources on how things, like computer monitors, aluminum cans, etc. are made and also some commentary of why certain engineering decisions are made, have a look at The Engineer Guy on youtube. https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/engineerguyvideo\/videos?flow=grid&view=0&sort=p There are many principles that he explains that apply to pretty much every field of engineering.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1472.0,"score_ratio":5.8695652174} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxrrtv","c_root_id_B":"duxqpgq","created_at_utc_A":1519781381,"created_at_utc_B":1519780258,"score_A":135,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"1. You absolutely can be an engineer. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. 2. Engineering, at a glance, is people solving real world problems using principles of Math, Science, and Physics. Once you start to learn more you'll see that engineering as a field is incredible diverse. 3. You could be designing bridges, roads, sewers, apartment buildings, schools, high rises, cars, aircraft, boats, computers, cameras, refrigerators, microwaves, radios, microphones, televisions, street lights, semi truck, oil tanker trailers, oil and gas pipelines, fertilizer production facilities, plastic production facilities, open pit copper mines, underground salt mines, hairspray manufacturing lines, cell phone assembly lines, automated bottle filling lines, and so much more. And that's just Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Chemical Engineering, and Mining Engineering. 4. If you'd like additional resources on how things, like computer monitors, aluminum cans, etc. are made and also some commentary of why certain engineering decisions are made, have a look at The Engineer Guy on youtube. https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/engineerguyvideo\/videos?flow=grid&view=0&sort=p There are many principles that he explains that apply to pretty much every field of engineering.","human_ref_B":"In your travels, see if you can visit a meeting of your local Society of Women Engineers chapter, and also say hi over at \/r\/womenEngineers\/. You got this. Here's a quick run-down of several (but not all) different types of engineering to get you started on the search: https:\/\/www.engineergirl.org\/33.aspx **Edit**: P.S., since your interest is psychology, take a look at Human Factors Engineering and see if that looks like an interesting field: * https:\/\/psnet.ahrq.gov\/primers\/primer\/20\/human-factors-engineering * http:\/\/www.apa.org\/action\/science\/human-factors\/index.aspx","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1123.0,"score_ratio":9.6428571429} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxr9yc","c_root_id_B":"duxrrtv","created_at_utc_A":1519780861,"created_at_utc_B":1519781381,"score_A":14,"score_B":135,"human_ref_A":"Can you math? Do you like to make? Do you love solving problems? Then you should engineer. *Horrible English is intentional* On a serious level it's not hard to go from engineering to psychology major but not the reverse when it's early in your college career. And you should know if it's not your thing by then. FYI studying to be an engineer is different from being an engineer. Same probably goes to other majors as well so look more into what engineers do rather than do you enjoy being an engineer student. Sound advise is to see what jobs people do with X undergraduate degree out of college. It's not as common as you may think that you'll be doing what you study in school as your job out of school. Even in engineering this is true but not as extreme as a sociology major managing a car rental store manager. True story the biggest employer of sociology majors at my school was Hertz rental cars. Pretty sure no freshman pick that major because they wanted that job. I went to school for civil\/construction engineering and got a job in an environmental department of a state's department of transportation. Wasn't expecting that as a freshman, especially since I started off as a mechanical engineer in college. But that's a different story. Point being I'm actually doing engineer work with my engineering degree. Make sure you love your job, not necessarily the major. Also helps if the job can pay for the degree that you needed to get the job \ud83d\ude09","human_ref_B":"1. You absolutely can be an engineer. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. 2. Engineering, at a glance, is people solving real world problems using principles of Math, Science, and Physics. Once you start to learn more you'll see that engineering as a field is incredible diverse. 3. You could be designing bridges, roads, sewers, apartment buildings, schools, high rises, cars, aircraft, boats, computers, cameras, refrigerators, microwaves, radios, microphones, televisions, street lights, semi truck, oil tanker trailers, oil and gas pipelines, fertilizer production facilities, plastic production facilities, open pit copper mines, underground salt mines, hairspray manufacturing lines, cell phone assembly lines, automated bottle filling lines, and so much more. And that's just Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Chemical Engineering, and Mining Engineering. 4. If you'd like additional resources on how things, like computer monitors, aluminum cans, etc. are made and also some commentary of why certain engineering decisions are made, have a look at The Engineer Guy on youtube. https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/engineerguyvideo\/videos?flow=grid&view=0&sort=p There are many principles that he explains that apply to pretty much every field of engineering.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":520.0,"score_ratio":9.6428571429} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxrrtv","c_root_id_B":"duxqcqk","created_at_utc_A":1519781381,"created_at_utc_B":1519779868,"score_A":135,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"1. You absolutely can be an engineer. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. 2. Engineering, at a glance, is people solving real world problems using principles of Math, Science, and Physics. Once you start to learn more you'll see that engineering as a field is incredible diverse. 3. You could be designing bridges, roads, sewers, apartment buildings, schools, high rises, cars, aircraft, boats, computers, cameras, refrigerators, microwaves, radios, microphones, televisions, street lights, semi truck, oil tanker trailers, oil and gas pipelines, fertilizer production facilities, plastic production facilities, open pit copper mines, underground salt mines, hairspray manufacturing lines, cell phone assembly lines, automated bottle filling lines, and so much more. And that's just Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Chemical Engineering, and Mining Engineering. 4. If you'd like additional resources on how things, like computer monitors, aluminum cans, etc. are made and also some commentary of why certain engineering decisions are made, have a look at The Engineer Guy on youtube. https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/engineerguyvideo\/videos?flow=grid&view=0&sort=p There are many principles that he explains that apply to pretty much every field of engineering.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like you've got math covered, so you're good to go there. What sort of science do you enjoy most? Chemistry? Physics? Mechanics? Biology? Depending on which of those you like most, and what you'd like to do, that should help you decide. The good news is your freshman year will likely be the same no matter what, so you do have a little time to decide. Also good news, engineers generally have pretty good income and job prospects, and nothing against social work, but you'll make a lot more money in engineering. So...what kind of stuff do you like and what jobs sound interesting?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1513.0,"score_ratio":19.2857142857} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxrdzv","c_root_id_B":"duxrrtv","created_at_utc_A":1519780978,"created_at_utc_B":1519781381,"score_A":5,"score_B":135,"human_ref_A":"I mean, engineering in general is perfect for anyone like yourself who likes solving problems, analysing everything, and preparing\/verifying work with data and maths. The spectrum is absolutely huge. Almost everything you see around you has at some point required an engineers input. Take a simple piece of moulded plastic for example- for that to exist, it needed a design engineer, a chemical engineer, industrial eng, oil & gas eng, a machinist, maintenance eng\/technician (mechanical and\/or electrical)... you get the picture. The point is, they all have different jobs and roles to play but they all work from the same deck of cards. For me, every day is a school day, and there are always issues to be fixed, and that's what keeps me ticking through rather than being stuck at an office desk all day every day, or being in a routine job. If you can, try get on board with some work experience or something down that route. Do some research on different roles and see what suits your fancy. Engineers are typically split into the eggheads who do all the paperwork and science, and the squads in the field\/shop floor who deal with the implementation and maintenance, and I feel from my experience like this is a point that is missed by a lot of the younger generation. People hear the word 'engineer' and seem to automatically assume that you work all day at a computer figuring out how to launch a rocket into space. A fair amount of interns and uni grads who I've spoken with have mentioned that they didn't expect to be doing the job that they're doing, and they more or less stumbled upon it. Which is fair enough, it's a job, but it makes the difference between standing all day in the freezing cold on the middle of a hill somewhere watching a wind turbine, and being cosy in a comfy chair somewhere else- just my 2 cents on something to bear in mind.","human_ref_B":"1. You absolutely can be an engineer. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. 2. Engineering, at a glance, is people solving real world problems using principles of Math, Science, and Physics. Once you start to learn more you'll see that engineering as a field is incredible diverse. 3. You could be designing bridges, roads, sewers, apartment buildings, schools, high rises, cars, aircraft, boats, computers, cameras, refrigerators, microwaves, radios, microphones, televisions, street lights, semi truck, oil tanker trailers, oil and gas pipelines, fertilizer production facilities, plastic production facilities, open pit copper mines, underground salt mines, hairspray manufacturing lines, cell phone assembly lines, automated bottle filling lines, and so much more. And that's just Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Chemical Engineering, and Mining Engineering. 4. If you'd like additional resources on how things, like computer monitors, aluminum cans, etc. are made and also some commentary of why certain engineering decisions are made, have a look at The Engineer Guy on youtube. https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/engineerguyvideo\/videos?flow=grid&view=0&sort=p There are many principles that he explains that apply to pretty much every field of engineering.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":403.0,"score_ratio":27.0} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxqm5n","c_root_id_B":"duxpr39","created_at_utc_A":1519780158,"created_at_utc_B":1519779201,"score_A":129,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"You could see if there is a local section of the \"Society Of Women Engineers\" \"SWE\"] by using their [\"at a store near you\" finder. They could help you out.","human_ref_B":"In the most generic terms engineers need a strong understanding of physics and mathematics to solve problems. All engineering careers need a bachelors degree of with the specific degree depending on the desired career. Engineering is quite literally in every field you can think of, so you need to decide what aspect you want to be apart of design, manufacturing, etc. I recommend google different careers and seeing what peaks your interest and see if you can shadow a local company.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":957.0,"score_ratio":4.4482758621} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxqe4n","c_root_id_B":"duxqm5n","created_at_utc_A":1519779909,"created_at_utc_B":1519780158,"score_A":23,"score_B":129,"human_ref_A":"It's a hard one really. Because there is so many subsets. For instance, I'm an Electrical Engineer. But within EE you can be a researcher, a designer, a construction engineer, or maintenance engineer. You could also be in power generation, instrumentation, control systems, plc programming, power distribution, combustion, communication & signals and many more. There's no one size fits all and where you think you'll go may not be where you end up. I always suggest one of the 4 main. Civil Mechanical, Electrical or Chemical. Women generally tend towards Chemical then Electrical from what I have noticed. I think Electrical is the best but I am biased :)","human_ref_B":"You could see if there is a local section of the \"Society Of Women Engineers\" \"SWE\"] by using their [\"at a store near you\" finder. They could help you out.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":249.0,"score_ratio":5.6086956522} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxqm5n","c_root_id_B":"duxqcqk","created_at_utc_A":1519780158,"created_at_utc_B":1519779868,"score_A":129,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"You could see if there is a local section of the \"Society Of Women Engineers\" \"SWE\"] by using their [\"at a store near you\" finder. They could help you out.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like you've got math covered, so you're good to go there. What sort of science do you enjoy most? Chemistry? Physics? Mechanics? Biology? Depending on which of those you like most, and what you'd like to do, that should help you decide. The good news is your freshman year will likely be the same no matter what, so you do have a little time to decide. Also good news, engineers generally have pretty good income and job prospects, and nothing against social work, but you'll make a lot more money in engineering. So...what kind of stuff do you like and what jobs sound interesting?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":290.0,"score_ratio":18.4285714286} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxqcqk","c_root_id_B":"duxqe4n","created_at_utc_A":1519779868,"created_at_utc_B":1519779909,"score_A":7,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like you've got math covered, so you're good to go there. What sort of science do you enjoy most? Chemistry? Physics? Mechanics? Biology? Depending on which of those you like most, and what you'd like to do, that should help you decide. The good news is your freshman year will likely be the same no matter what, so you do have a little time to decide. Also good news, engineers generally have pretty good income and job prospects, and nothing against social work, but you'll make a lot more money in engineering. So...what kind of stuff do you like and what jobs sound interesting?","human_ref_B":"It's a hard one really. Because there is so many subsets. For instance, I'm an Electrical Engineer. But within EE you can be a researcher, a designer, a construction engineer, or maintenance engineer. You could also be in power generation, instrumentation, control systems, plc programming, power distribution, combustion, communication & signals and many more. There's no one size fits all and where you think you'll go may not be where you end up. I always suggest one of the 4 main. Civil Mechanical, Electrical or Chemical. Women generally tend towards Chemical then Electrical from what I have noticed. I think Electrical is the best but I am biased :)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":41.0,"score_ratio":3.2857142857} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxt9pd","c_root_id_B":"duxqpgq","created_at_utc_A":1519782969,"created_at_utc_B":1519780258,"score_A":18,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Maybe not relevant for you but I want to say it anyways. If you don't know what field you want to work in. I always ask them, how do you want to work? Do you want be in a lab, field or behind a computer or maybe a desk? Then I ask what do you want to do in [answer from previous question]? Find a problem, inspect a problem, or solve a problem? Want to R&D? Or just improve what already exists? Ask yourself questions and with the answers you will find what you want. You can solve problems in an all disciplines of engineering, what type of problems do you want to solve? Ask yourself.","human_ref_B":"In your travels, see if you can visit a meeting of your local Society of Women Engineers chapter, and also say hi over at \/r\/womenEngineers\/. You got this. Here's a quick run-down of several (but not all) different types of engineering to get you started on the search: https:\/\/www.engineergirl.org\/33.aspx **Edit**: P.S., since your interest is psychology, take a look at Human Factors Engineering and see if that looks like an interesting field: * https:\/\/psnet.ahrq.gov\/primers\/primer\/20\/human-factors-engineering * http:\/\/www.apa.org\/action\/science\/human-factors\/index.aspx","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2711.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxr9yc","c_root_id_B":"duxt9pd","created_at_utc_A":1519780861,"created_at_utc_B":1519782969,"score_A":14,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"Can you math? Do you like to make? Do you love solving problems? Then you should engineer. *Horrible English is intentional* On a serious level it's not hard to go from engineering to psychology major but not the reverse when it's early in your college career. And you should know if it's not your thing by then. FYI studying to be an engineer is different from being an engineer. Same probably goes to other majors as well so look more into what engineers do rather than do you enjoy being an engineer student. Sound advise is to see what jobs people do with X undergraduate degree out of college. It's not as common as you may think that you'll be doing what you study in school as your job out of school. Even in engineering this is true but not as extreme as a sociology major managing a car rental store manager. True story the biggest employer of sociology majors at my school was Hertz rental cars. Pretty sure no freshman pick that major because they wanted that job. I went to school for civil\/construction engineering and got a job in an environmental department of a state's department of transportation. Wasn't expecting that as a freshman, especially since I started off as a mechanical engineer in college. But that's a different story. Point being I'm actually doing engineer work with my engineering degree. Make sure you love your job, not necessarily the major. Also helps if the job can pay for the degree that you needed to get the job \ud83d\ude09","human_ref_B":"Maybe not relevant for you but I want to say it anyways. If you don't know what field you want to work in. I always ask them, how do you want to work? Do you want be in a lab, field or behind a computer or maybe a desk? Then I ask what do you want to do in [answer from previous question]? Find a problem, inspect a problem, or solve a problem? Want to R&D? Or just improve what already exists? Ask yourself questions and with the answers you will find what you want. You can solve problems in an all disciplines of engineering, what type of problems do you want to solve? Ask yourself.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2108.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxsha6","c_root_id_B":"duxt9pd","created_at_utc_A":1519782126,"created_at_utc_B":1519782969,"score_A":8,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"My advice: follow your passion and go to school in the basics. There are a hierarchy of majors in college. First line majors are older. You mention psychology. If you want to go into psychology, major in psychology, not \"social work\" which is a newer major, more specialized and thus more limited. A psychologist can be a social worker, but a degree in social work can't necessarily do everything a psychologist can. Go into a broad field. If you want to specialize in something, do that as a post-secondary degree (masters or doctorate). Engineering follows this same pattern: mechanical, electrical, and civil are the basics and are the broadest engineering majors. Computer science and computer engineering are their own thing from the traditional engineering schools but still in what I'd call the \"front line\" majors. They are just newer and different universities treat these differently (some differentiate between computer \"science\" and computer \"engineering\", some don't really). Choose the broadest field to study for your bachelors degree. About engineering: You should know the history of the field to make sense of the school\/professional progression. A good book to read is *To Engineer Is Human: The Role of Failure in Successful Design* by Henry Petroski. Going back in history, the American school is a combination of the English engineering school, which was run more as an apprenticeship trade, and the French engineering school, which was run more like the sciences. From the English side, there's the \"hands on\" aspect. From the French side, there's the math and applied physics aspect. The university aspect combines these. The first two years, the second year in particular is hugely math\/applied physics based. The second two years, at least in my school, was \"pro\" school. The first year took deep dives into subjects introduced in the first two years. The second year of pro-school was elective based where you study a specific corner of your engineering field in depth. And that's school. Then there's professional life. In our system, the first couple years out of college are kind of special in that it kind of looks like an apprenticeship. You typically work under a more experienced engineer, sometimes you do \"grunt work\", i.e. the work that takes time but not much talent. Then you are trusted to take on your own projects. It's a huge effort, engineering school and early professional life is. You have to really want it. Like an M&M. A hard shell to crack into, but once you are established, hugely rewarding. You do a job few people in the world can do: create the \"things\" in this world that people use in everyday life from whole-cloth. At the leading edge, it is a hugely creative field. As creative as fine-art, but rather than working in medium to express ideas or emotions, you are working in constraints to express utility, function, or form. And you can use engineering skill and knowledge in innumerable ways. Tying back to social work, for instance, engineers are perfectly positioned to analyze and fix social issues created by one of our American sins: red-lining of black people from certain neighborhoods; creating slums, ghettos, and structural racism. Rather than patching the damage, as psychologists or social workers do, you can fix the root causes. And this is just one example. No TL;DR. If you want to be an engineer, you have to want it.","human_ref_B":"Maybe not relevant for you but I want to say it anyways. If you don't know what field you want to work in. I always ask them, how do you want to work? Do you want be in a lab, field or behind a computer or maybe a desk? Then I ask what do you want to do in [answer from previous question]? Find a problem, inspect a problem, or solve a problem? Want to R&D? Or just improve what already exists? Ask yourself questions and with the answers you will find what you want. You can solve problems in an all disciplines of engineering, what type of problems do you want to solve? Ask yourself.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":843.0,"score_ratio":2.25} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxqcqk","c_root_id_B":"duxt9pd","created_at_utc_A":1519779868,"created_at_utc_B":1519782969,"score_A":7,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like you've got math covered, so you're good to go there. What sort of science do you enjoy most? Chemistry? Physics? Mechanics? Biology? Depending on which of those you like most, and what you'd like to do, that should help you decide. The good news is your freshman year will likely be the same no matter what, so you do have a little time to decide. Also good news, engineers generally have pretty good income and job prospects, and nothing against social work, but you'll make a lot more money in engineering. So...what kind of stuff do you like and what jobs sound interesting?","human_ref_B":"Maybe not relevant for you but I want to say it anyways. If you don't know what field you want to work in. I always ask them, how do you want to work? Do you want be in a lab, field or behind a computer or maybe a desk? Then I ask what do you want to do in [answer from previous question]? Find a problem, inspect a problem, or solve a problem? Want to R&D? Or just improve what already exists? Ask yourself questions and with the answers you will find what you want. You can solve problems in an all disciplines of engineering, what type of problems do you want to solve? Ask yourself.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3101.0,"score_ratio":2.5714285714} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxt9pd","c_root_id_B":"duxrdzv","created_at_utc_A":1519782969,"created_at_utc_B":1519780978,"score_A":18,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Maybe not relevant for you but I want to say it anyways. If you don't know what field you want to work in. I always ask them, how do you want to work? Do you want be in a lab, field or behind a computer or maybe a desk? Then I ask what do you want to do in [answer from previous question]? Find a problem, inspect a problem, or solve a problem? Want to R&D? Or just improve what already exists? Ask yourself questions and with the answers you will find what you want. You can solve problems in an all disciplines of engineering, what type of problems do you want to solve? Ask yourself.","human_ref_B":"I mean, engineering in general is perfect for anyone like yourself who likes solving problems, analysing everything, and preparing\/verifying work with data and maths. The spectrum is absolutely huge. Almost everything you see around you has at some point required an engineers input. Take a simple piece of moulded plastic for example- for that to exist, it needed a design engineer, a chemical engineer, industrial eng, oil & gas eng, a machinist, maintenance eng\/technician (mechanical and\/or electrical)... you get the picture. The point is, they all have different jobs and roles to play but they all work from the same deck of cards. For me, every day is a school day, and there are always issues to be fixed, and that's what keeps me ticking through rather than being stuck at an office desk all day every day, or being in a routine job. If you can, try get on board with some work experience or something down that route. Do some research on different roles and see what suits your fancy. Engineers are typically split into the eggheads who do all the paperwork and science, and the squads in the field\/shop floor who deal with the implementation and maintenance, and I feel from my experience like this is a point that is missed by a lot of the younger generation. People hear the word 'engineer' and seem to automatically assume that you work all day at a computer figuring out how to launch a rocket into space. A fair amount of interns and uni grads who I've spoken with have mentioned that they didn't expect to be doing the job that they're doing, and they more or less stumbled upon it. Which is fair enough, it's a job, but it makes the difference between standing all day in the freezing cold on the middle of a hill somewhere watching a wind turbine, and being cosy in a comfy chair somewhere else- just my 2 cents on something to bear in mind.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1991.0,"score_ratio":3.6} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxqcqk","c_root_id_B":"duxqpgq","created_at_utc_A":1519779868,"created_at_utc_B":1519780258,"score_A":7,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like you've got math covered, so you're good to go there. What sort of science do you enjoy most? Chemistry? Physics? Mechanics? Biology? Depending on which of those you like most, and what you'd like to do, that should help you decide. The good news is your freshman year will likely be the same no matter what, so you do have a little time to decide. Also good news, engineers generally have pretty good income and job prospects, and nothing against social work, but you'll make a lot more money in engineering. So...what kind of stuff do you like and what jobs sound interesting?","human_ref_B":"In your travels, see if you can visit a meeting of your local Society of Women Engineers chapter, and also say hi over at \/r\/womenEngineers\/. You got this. Here's a quick run-down of several (but not all) different types of engineering to get you started on the search: https:\/\/www.engineergirl.org\/33.aspx **Edit**: P.S., since your interest is psychology, take a look at Human Factors Engineering and see if that looks like an interesting field: * https:\/\/psnet.ahrq.gov\/primers\/primer\/20\/human-factors-engineering * http:\/\/www.apa.org\/action\/science\/human-factors\/index.aspx","labels":0,"seconds_difference":390.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxqcqk","c_root_id_B":"duxr9yc","created_at_utc_A":1519779868,"created_at_utc_B":1519780861,"score_A":7,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like you've got math covered, so you're good to go there. What sort of science do you enjoy most? Chemistry? Physics? Mechanics? Biology? Depending on which of those you like most, and what you'd like to do, that should help you decide. The good news is your freshman year will likely be the same no matter what, so you do have a little time to decide. Also good news, engineers generally have pretty good income and job prospects, and nothing against social work, but you'll make a lot more money in engineering. So...what kind of stuff do you like and what jobs sound interesting?","human_ref_B":"Can you math? Do you like to make? Do you love solving problems? Then you should engineer. *Horrible English is intentional* On a serious level it's not hard to go from engineering to psychology major but not the reverse when it's early in your college career. And you should know if it's not your thing by then. FYI studying to be an engineer is different from being an engineer. Same probably goes to other majors as well so look more into what engineers do rather than do you enjoy being an engineer student. Sound advise is to see what jobs people do with X undergraduate degree out of college. It's not as common as you may think that you'll be doing what you study in school as your job out of school. Even in engineering this is true but not as extreme as a sociology major managing a car rental store manager. True story the biggest employer of sociology majors at my school was Hertz rental cars. Pretty sure no freshman pick that major because they wanted that job. I went to school for civil\/construction engineering and got a job in an environmental department of a state's department of transportation. Wasn't expecting that as a freshman, especially since I started off as a mechanical engineer in college. But that's a different story. Point being I'm actually doing engineer work with my engineering degree. Make sure you love your job, not necessarily the major. Also helps if the job can pay for the degree that you needed to get the job \ud83d\ude09","labels":0,"seconds_difference":993.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxqcqk","c_root_id_B":"duxsha6","created_at_utc_A":1519779868,"created_at_utc_B":1519782126,"score_A":7,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like you've got math covered, so you're good to go there. What sort of science do you enjoy most? Chemistry? Physics? Mechanics? Biology? Depending on which of those you like most, and what you'd like to do, that should help you decide. The good news is your freshman year will likely be the same no matter what, so you do have a little time to decide. Also good news, engineers generally have pretty good income and job prospects, and nothing against social work, but you'll make a lot more money in engineering. So...what kind of stuff do you like and what jobs sound interesting?","human_ref_B":"My advice: follow your passion and go to school in the basics. There are a hierarchy of majors in college. First line majors are older. You mention psychology. If you want to go into psychology, major in psychology, not \"social work\" which is a newer major, more specialized and thus more limited. A psychologist can be a social worker, but a degree in social work can't necessarily do everything a psychologist can. Go into a broad field. If you want to specialize in something, do that as a post-secondary degree (masters or doctorate). Engineering follows this same pattern: mechanical, electrical, and civil are the basics and are the broadest engineering majors. Computer science and computer engineering are their own thing from the traditional engineering schools but still in what I'd call the \"front line\" majors. They are just newer and different universities treat these differently (some differentiate between computer \"science\" and computer \"engineering\", some don't really). Choose the broadest field to study for your bachelors degree. About engineering: You should know the history of the field to make sense of the school\/professional progression. A good book to read is *To Engineer Is Human: The Role of Failure in Successful Design* by Henry Petroski. Going back in history, the American school is a combination of the English engineering school, which was run more as an apprenticeship trade, and the French engineering school, which was run more like the sciences. From the English side, there's the \"hands on\" aspect. From the French side, there's the math and applied physics aspect. The university aspect combines these. The first two years, the second year in particular is hugely math\/applied physics based. The second two years, at least in my school, was \"pro\" school. The first year took deep dives into subjects introduced in the first two years. The second year of pro-school was elective based where you study a specific corner of your engineering field in depth. And that's school. Then there's professional life. In our system, the first couple years out of college are kind of special in that it kind of looks like an apprenticeship. You typically work under a more experienced engineer, sometimes you do \"grunt work\", i.e. the work that takes time but not much talent. Then you are trusted to take on your own projects. It's a huge effort, engineering school and early professional life is. You have to really want it. Like an M&M. A hard shell to crack into, but once you are established, hugely rewarding. You do a job few people in the world can do: create the \"things\" in this world that people use in everyday life from whole-cloth. At the leading edge, it is a hugely creative field. As creative as fine-art, but rather than working in medium to express ideas or emotions, you are working in constraints to express utility, function, or form. And you can use engineering skill and knowledge in innumerable ways. Tying back to social work, for instance, engineers are perfectly positioned to analyze and fix social issues created by one of our American sins: red-lining of black people from certain neighborhoods; creating slums, ghettos, and structural racism. Rather than patching the damage, as psychologists or social workers do, you can fix the root causes. And this is just one example. No TL;DR. If you want to be an engineer, you have to want it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2258.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxrdzv","c_root_id_B":"duxsha6","created_at_utc_A":1519780978,"created_at_utc_B":1519782126,"score_A":5,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I mean, engineering in general is perfect for anyone like yourself who likes solving problems, analysing everything, and preparing\/verifying work with data and maths. The spectrum is absolutely huge. Almost everything you see around you has at some point required an engineers input. Take a simple piece of moulded plastic for example- for that to exist, it needed a design engineer, a chemical engineer, industrial eng, oil & gas eng, a machinist, maintenance eng\/technician (mechanical and\/or electrical)... you get the picture. The point is, they all have different jobs and roles to play but they all work from the same deck of cards. For me, every day is a school day, and there are always issues to be fixed, and that's what keeps me ticking through rather than being stuck at an office desk all day every day, or being in a routine job. If you can, try get on board with some work experience or something down that route. Do some research on different roles and see what suits your fancy. Engineers are typically split into the eggheads who do all the paperwork and science, and the squads in the field\/shop floor who deal with the implementation and maintenance, and I feel from my experience like this is a point that is missed by a lot of the younger generation. People hear the word 'engineer' and seem to automatically assume that you work all day at a computer figuring out how to launch a rocket into space. A fair amount of interns and uni grads who I've spoken with have mentioned that they didn't expect to be doing the job that they're doing, and they more or less stumbled upon it. Which is fair enough, it's a job, but it makes the difference between standing all day in the freezing cold on the middle of a hill somewhere watching a wind turbine, and being cosy in a comfy chair somewhere else- just my 2 cents on something to bear in mind.","human_ref_B":"My advice: follow your passion and go to school in the basics. There are a hierarchy of majors in college. First line majors are older. You mention psychology. If you want to go into psychology, major in psychology, not \"social work\" which is a newer major, more specialized and thus more limited. A psychologist can be a social worker, but a degree in social work can't necessarily do everything a psychologist can. Go into a broad field. If you want to specialize in something, do that as a post-secondary degree (masters or doctorate). Engineering follows this same pattern: mechanical, electrical, and civil are the basics and are the broadest engineering majors. Computer science and computer engineering are their own thing from the traditional engineering schools but still in what I'd call the \"front line\" majors. They are just newer and different universities treat these differently (some differentiate between computer \"science\" and computer \"engineering\", some don't really). Choose the broadest field to study for your bachelors degree. About engineering: You should know the history of the field to make sense of the school\/professional progression. A good book to read is *To Engineer Is Human: The Role of Failure in Successful Design* by Henry Petroski. Going back in history, the American school is a combination of the English engineering school, which was run more as an apprenticeship trade, and the French engineering school, which was run more like the sciences. From the English side, there's the \"hands on\" aspect. From the French side, there's the math and applied physics aspect. The university aspect combines these. The first two years, the second year in particular is hugely math\/applied physics based. The second two years, at least in my school, was \"pro\" school. The first year took deep dives into subjects introduced in the first two years. The second year of pro-school was elective based where you study a specific corner of your engineering field in depth. And that's school. Then there's professional life. In our system, the first couple years out of college are kind of special in that it kind of looks like an apprenticeship. You typically work under a more experienced engineer, sometimes you do \"grunt work\", i.e. the work that takes time but not much talent. Then you are trusted to take on your own projects. It's a huge effort, engineering school and early professional life is. You have to really want it. Like an M&M. A hard shell to crack into, but once you are established, hugely rewarding. You do a job few people in the world can do: create the \"things\" in this world that people use in everyday life from whole-cloth. At the leading edge, it is a hugely creative field. As creative as fine-art, but rather than working in medium to express ideas or emotions, you are working in constraints to express utility, function, or form. And you can use engineering skill and knowledge in innumerable ways. Tying back to social work, for instance, engineers are perfectly positioned to analyze and fix social issues created by one of our American sins: red-lining of black people from certain neighborhoods; creating slums, ghettos, and structural racism. Rather than patching the damage, as psychologists or social workers do, you can fix the root causes. And this is just one example. No TL;DR. If you want to be an engineer, you have to want it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1148.0,"score_ratio":1.6} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duxrdzv","c_root_id_B":"duy2zqn","created_at_utc_A":1519780978,"created_at_utc_B":1519793857,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I mean, engineering in general is perfect for anyone like yourself who likes solving problems, analysing everything, and preparing\/verifying work with data and maths. The spectrum is absolutely huge. Almost everything you see around you has at some point required an engineers input. Take a simple piece of moulded plastic for example- for that to exist, it needed a design engineer, a chemical engineer, industrial eng, oil & gas eng, a machinist, maintenance eng\/technician (mechanical and\/or electrical)... you get the picture. The point is, they all have different jobs and roles to play but they all work from the same deck of cards. For me, every day is a school day, and there are always issues to be fixed, and that's what keeps me ticking through rather than being stuck at an office desk all day every day, or being in a routine job. If you can, try get on board with some work experience or something down that route. Do some research on different roles and see what suits your fancy. Engineers are typically split into the eggheads who do all the paperwork and science, and the squads in the field\/shop floor who deal with the implementation and maintenance, and I feel from my experience like this is a point that is missed by a lot of the younger generation. People hear the word 'engineer' and seem to automatically assume that you work all day at a computer figuring out how to launch a rocket into space. A fair amount of interns and uni grads who I've spoken with have mentioned that they didn't expect to be doing the job that they're doing, and they more or less stumbled upon it. Which is fair enough, it's a job, but it makes the difference between standing all day in the freezing cold on the middle of a hill somewhere watching a wind turbine, and being cosy in a comfy chair somewhere else- just my 2 cents on something to bear in mind.","human_ref_B":"I echo most of the positive sentiments above, if you absolutely want to do it then I say go for it, I work with plenty of female engineers and they\u2019re all brilliant. I do want to add some things for you to think about though: - engineering is hard. Much harder than social work, and in my opinion much harder than being a doctor or lawyer, where once you\u2019re done with school it\u2019s kinda just cashing checks. School will be stressful, and you\u2019ll be studying 2-3x as much as your peers if you want to do well and finish in 4 years. But if you\u2019re meant to be an engineer, the challenge should pose no problem - you WILL experience sexism, throughout your education and in industry. It\u2019s getting better and better all the time, but i think any of the female engineers in this sub can attest times that they were not taken seriously by their male counterparts. By the end of my senior year, there were like 5 female engineering students, and all the guys knew who they were and had plenty of sexist and\/or objectifying things to say about them. Just be prepared to always be proving yourself, it\u2019s just a reality of a field that has been male-dominated for hundreds of years - BUT. One thing i notice is that the female engineers at my company are mostly star employees, who quickly rise through the ranks and often become technical leads and managers quickly. The reason is simple, they\u2019ve had to work hard their whole lives, and the bottom line is that women have different ways of thinking and approaching difficult problems than men do, and their perspective is invaluable in an engineering office. They\u2019re often better with the soft skills you can\u2019t learn in college that are very important in a workplace, like communication, diplomacy, teamwork, patience, etc. So while you may have to work harder initially, you also have an arsenal of tools at your disposal that are rare and valuable in most engineering offices, and they WILL be noticed and appreciated, provided you prove your technical ability. Best of luck!!! It\u2019s a very challenging but highly rewarding career","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12879.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"80rnqn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"I\u2019m a 17 year old girl. How do I make this my career? I\u2019m a 17 year old girl about to graduate high school early. My whole life I\u2019ve had a passion for psychology and up until today I\u2019ve had my mind set on on getting my Bachelors in Social Work. I\u2019m in a statistics math class right now and in class we were analyzing the probability of high school females versus males attending college. We began discussing how girls were more likely to attend college and my teacher brought up how lawyers and doctors have become a female dominated field, but engineering is still male dominated. I asked him what careers could be attainable in engineering and he described all sorts of jobs that I had never considered a possibility. I don\u2019t know how to describe it, but I feel like a spark has been lit within me. I\u2019m beyond interested in engineering now and I haven\u2019t been able to stop thinking about it since second period. I know this sounds impulsive but I seriously can\u2019t recall the last time I\u2019ve been this fascinated in a subject. I know there must be tons more that goes into it, but I\u2019m really good at math. I\u2019m the best at my school and I regularly tutor other kids, I think it\u2019s really fun. I love the satisfaction of solving a problem. I know next to nothing about the different fields of engineering, what extent of college they require, and what the job out look is. Engineers of reddit, please help me understand more about this field and if I could potentially be in it. (Ps, while I browse reddit often, I\u2019ve never actually posted before. I\u2019m sorry if I did this wrong!)","c_root_id_A":"duy2zqn","c_root_id_B":"duxvdrp","created_at_utc_A":1519793857,"created_at_utc_B":1519785216,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I echo most of the positive sentiments above, if you absolutely want to do it then I say go for it, I work with plenty of female engineers and they\u2019re all brilliant. I do want to add some things for you to think about though: - engineering is hard. Much harder than social work, and in my opinion much harder than being a doctor or lawyer, where once you\u2019re done with school it\u2019s kinda just cashing checks. School will be stressful, and you\u2019ll be studying 2-3x as much as your peers if you want to do well and finish in 4 years. But if you\u2019re meant to be an engineer, the challenge should pose no problem - you WILL experience sexism, throughout your education and in industry. It\u2019s getting better and better all the time, but i think any of the female engineers in this sub can attest times that they were not taken seriously by their male counterparts. By the end of my senior year, there were like 5 female engineering students, and all the guys knew who they were and had plenty of sexist and\/or objectifying things to say about them. Just be prepared to always be proving yourself, it\u2019s just a reality of a field that has been male-dominated for hundreds of years - BUT. One thing i notice is that the female engineers at my company are mostly star employees, who quickly rise through the ranks and often become technical leads and managers quickly. The reason is simple, they\u2019ve had to work hard their whole lives, and the bottom line is that women have different ways of thinking and approaching difficult problems than men do, and their perspective is invaluable in an engineering office. They\u2019re often better with the soft skills you can\u2019t learn in college that are very important in a workplace, like communication, diplomacy, teamwork, patience, etc. So while you may have to work harder initially, you also have an arsenal of tools at your disposal that are rare and valuable in most engineering offices, and they WILL be noticed and appreciated, provided you prove your technical ability. Best of luck!!! It\u2019s a very challenging but highly rewarding career","human_ref_B":"This is difficult to answer, as there are so many different engineering disciplines and sub-disciplines, each have different requirements. In a broad sense, the main ones are electrical, mechanical, civil, software, and chemical. Since I'm an ME, I guess I can speak on that. Under ME I'm also including manufacturing, aerospace, and biomechanical engineer. Of course there are a lot of specialities within these like materials, HVAC, control systems, etc., but the undergrad is fairly similar. Being good at math is good, but be sure to be good at Calculus. You'll take every Calculus course, including Differential Equations (and maybe even Linear Algebra depending on the college). This doesn't include any pre-requisites. Some high schools will allow you to test right into Calc 1, but, if you're like me, you'll take 3 years of math: Trig, Pre-Cal, Calc 1, Calc 2, Calc 3, Diff EQ, and Linear (the last two can be taken concurrently). You'll most likely take three Physics courses and accompanying labs: Mechanical, Electricity & Magnetism, and Wave & Optics. The core engineering courses you'll need before specializing are: Statics (you need Calc 1 and Mechanical Physics), Dynamics, Mechanics of Materials, and Thermodynamics 1. Some might also require Material Science and Fluid Dynamics. As an ME, you'll also need at least one College Chemistry course (may have a General Chemistry pre-requisite), a course on the Fundamentals of Electrical Engineering (or other electricity and circuits equivalent), a programming course (e.g. Matlab, C+, etc.), and at least one CAD course. After that, your upper division should be a breeze. A few more Thermal courses, maybe some Turbomachinery, some more Fluids, Vibrations, Control Systems, and a lot of labs. Be sure to secure a seat on an accompanying lab and don't be fooled by the fact that they are only worth 1 credit (including the report,they take hours to accomplish). After 3 to 3.5 years (if you're on the 4-year plan...which quite a feat in and of itself), after constant stress over your GPA, after constantly searching for internship positions (hopefully you'll have at least one), after late nights in the library while your art friends are partying, when only one cup of coffee is the difference between keeping it together and burning out, you'll need to complete a capstone project. You'll be given a real-world assignment, with a real company (sometimes), and treated like a real engineer. Then you'll get your diploma, get an entry level position at a company, and wonder why you needed all that education to do the job you're assigned. Really, engineering is great. Make sure you pick the discipline which best suits your interest. Be open to a variety of roles within that discipline. Don't be afraid to make mistakes and break shit every once in a while. The goal of any engineering program is not to make you memorize equations and facts, but to instill concepts and teach you how to solve problems. You won't be rich, you won't be poor either, but you're time will be compensated nicely (above average). Whether or not you choose engineering, work to live, don't live to work. Hope that helps.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8641.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j15jqso","c_root_id_B":"j15k2da","created_at_utc_A":1671655494,"created_at_utc_B":1671655621,"score_A":109,"score_B":350,"human_ref_A":"Things took longer. More people were required. Draftsmen were a thing.... ...And the Thomas Register[1] was your life's blood. [1] Think of the TR as google before google. It was basically an encyclopedia set that a company would buy every few years that was an A-Z listing of every company in America and what it made. So if you wanted to buy a condom testing machine, you looked it up in the TR and it would give you contact information for every manufacturer of condom testing machines in America (IIRC, there were only two).","human_ref_B":"EE here... When I started my career right out of college in the early 80s, we didn't have computers. Electrical design was on paper and we looked up parts and components in printed data books. There were books for various types of parts... Discretes, transistors, op amps, CPU & peripherals, etc. We also relief on manufacturer reps and sales folks, and small on FAEs (field application engineers) to help us find the right component for our design problem. There were no simulations on pcs, so we'd do own and paper calculations and analysis to figure out how to make things work. Then, we'd wire things up manually to test them out. Now realize that components weren't as miniaturized as they are now. Components were huge in comparison. Digital circuits were in DIPs where pins are 0.1\" on center, easy enough for hand soldering. Pcb design was also totally manual. the pcb designer would layout the components and run the traces using colored tape (like pin striping tape). The board was layed out at 4x size so that it was workable, and they'd use a sheet of clear mylar for each layer so that they could stack them on top of each other to verify connections thru the vias. It was truly a skill and art to do pcb layout. We'd verify the layout manually with one person calling out the connections of the traces on the 4x layout and the other person checking it against the schematic. It was very manual and alot of it was tedious, but it got the job done. The designs were alot less complex, so it was feasible. Good times? Dunno, but we certainly had a lot closer relationships because collaboration was key.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":127.0,"score_ratio":3.2110091743} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j15k2da","c_root_id_B":"j15jqcu","created_at_utc_A":1671655621,"created_at_utc_B":1671655489,"score_A":350,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"EE here... When I started my career right out of college in the early 80s, we didn't have computers. Electrical design was on paper and we looked up parts and components in printed data books. There were books for various types of parts... Discretes, transistors, op amps, CPU & peripherals, etc. We also relief on manufacturer reps and sales folks, and small on FAEs (field application engineers) to help us find the right component for our design problem. There were no simulations on pcs, so we'd do own and paper calculations and analysis to figure out how to make things work. Then, we'd wire things up manually to test them out. Now realize that components weren't as miniaturized as they are now. Components were huge in comparison. Digital circuits were in DIPs where pins are 0.1\" on center, easy enough for hand soldering. Pcb design was also totally manual. the pcb designer would layout the components and run the traces using colored tape (like pin striping tape). The board was layed out at 4x size so that it was workable, and they'd use a sheet of clear mylar for each layer so that they could stack them on top of each other to verify connections thru the vias. It was truly a skill and art to do pcb layout. We'd verify the layout manually with one person calling out the connections of the traces on the 4x layout and the other person checking it against the schematic. It was very manual and alot of it was tedious, but it got the job done. The designs were alot less complex, so it was feasible. Good times? Dunno, but we certainly had a lot closer relationships because collaboration was key.","human_ref_B":"I'm not really sure, but I think paper cuts were a bigger hazard than they are now","labels":1,"seconds_difference":132.0,"score_ratio":26.9230769231} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j15jqcu","c_root_id_B":"j15jqso","created_at_utc_A":1671655489,"created_at_utc_B":1671655494,"score_A":13,"score_B":109,"human_ref_A":"I'm not really sure, but I think paper cuts were a bigger hazard than they are now","human_ref_B":"Things took longer. More people were required. Draftsmen were a thing.... ...And the Thomas Register[1] was your life's blood. [1] Think of the TR as google before google. It was basically an encyclopedia set that a company would buy every few years that was an A-Z listing of every company in America and what it made. So if you wanted to buy a condom testing machine, you looked it up in the TR and it would give you contact information for every manufacturer of condom testing machines in America (IIRC, there were only two).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5.0,"score_ratio":8.3846153846} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j15mytb","c_root_id_B":"j15x88m","created_at_utc_A":1671656764,"created_at_utc_B":1671660914,"score_A":32,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"Circuit layout was done with transparent films and opaque tapes. The tapes were cut and applied by hand on an enlarged scale. Back in the day most\/all components were through-hole leaded types. The resolution required was crude at best. Circuit design was done with manual calculations using \"simple\" analytical models of device performance. Much of the input data for the models came from small graphs in data books. People guarded their data books with a passion. Calculations could be long and tedious, so each engineer had their favorite suppliers, even specific devices. Reusing the same stuff made the process easier. All that said, very few could design a moderately-difficult circuit without considerable lab testing and refinement. That allowed people to develop considerable intuition about what worked, and what to avoid. There was lots of trial and error in both analytical and experimental approaches- heavy on the errors! There are some great books that discuss \"vintage\" engineering. One is \"Soul of a New Machine\" by Tracy Kidder. There are also many about the Mercury-Gemini-Apollo space program. I've read too many to remember specific titles.","human_ref_B":"Biggest difference to me is how easy it is to have absolute reams of information at your finger tips in a fraction of a second nowadays. Back then, if you needed an answer on something, you either found someone else who already knew and talked to them, or you had to find it written down somewhere. Or you had to figure it out yourself using some combination of the three. When I went out on a startup I would have a car trunk packed with boxes of manuals. Back when scanners 1st became a thing, we spent a pile of money on one and paid a summer intern to spend the entire summer scanning manuals. You still had to look it up manually, because OCR wasn't really a thing yet, and you were dealing with multi-page TIFFs. But you could have all the manuals for all the equipment you were working with right there on your PC during a startup. It was Amazing! Now I get annoyed if it takes more than a couple clicks on a manufacturers website to download the PDF of the manual I need.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4150.0,"score_ratio":1.03125} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j15rkyj","c_root_id_B":"j15x88m","created_at_utc_A":1671658610,"created_at_utc_B":1671660914,"score_A":29,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"Drafting table, slide rule. *Machinery's Handbook* and *Mark's Handbook.* *Crane Valve Manual* for flow nomograms and piping flow calculations. *Boston Gear Works* catalog for gear stuff. *Parker O Ring Catalog* for O ring dimensions and materials. *CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics* for esoteric stuff. Tribal wisdom for information you can't find by yourself, like specific heat of ethylene glycol solutions.","human_ref_B":"Biggest difference to me is how easy it is to have absolute reams of information at your finger tips in a fraction of a second nowadays. Back then, if you needed an answer on something, you either found someone else who already knew and talked to them, or you had to find it written down somewhere. Or you had to figure it out yourself using some combination of the three. When I went out on a startup I would have a car trunk packed with boxes of manuals. Back when scanners 1st became a thing, we spent a pile of money on one and paid a summer intern to spend the entire summer scanning manuals. You still had to look it up manually, because OCR wasn't really a thing yet, and you were dealing with multi-page TIFFs. But you could have all the manuals for all the equipment you were working with right there on your PC during a startup. It was Amazing! Now I get annoyed if it takes more than a couple clicks on a manufacturers website to download the PDF of the manual I need.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2304.0,"score_ratio":1.1379310345} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j15jqcu","c_root_id_B":"j15x88m","created_at_utc_A":1671655489,"created_at_utc_B":1671660914,"score_A":13,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"I'm not really sure, but I think paper cuts were a bigger hazard than they are now","human_ref_B":"Biggest difference to me is how easy it is to have absolute reams of information at your finger tips in a fraction of a second nowadays. Back then, if you needed an answer on something, you either found someone else who already knew and talked to them, or you had to find it written down somewhere. Or you had to figure it out yourself using some combination of the three. When I went out on a startup I would have a car trunk packed with boxes of manuals. Back when scanners 1st became a thing, we spent a pile of money on one and paid a summer intern to spend the entire summer scanning manuals. You still had to look it up manually, because OCR wasn't really a thing yet, and you were dealing with multi-page TIFFs. But you could have all the manuals for all the equipment you were working with right there on your PC during a startup. It was Amazing! Now I get annoyed if it takes more than a couple clicks on a manufacturers website to download the PDF of the manual I need.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5425.0,"score_ratio":2.5384615385} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j15x88m","c_root_id_B":"j15lope","created_at_utc_A":1671660914,"created_at_utc_B":1671656256,"score_A":33,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Biggest difference to me is how easy it is to have absolute reams of information at your finger tips in a fraction of a second nowadays. Back then, if you needed an answer on something, you either found someone else who already knew and talked to them, or you had to find it written down somewhere. Or you had to figure it out yourself using some combination of the three. When I went out on a startup I would have a car trunk packed with boxes of manuals. Back when scanners 1st became a thing, we spent a pile of money on one and paid a summer intern to spend the entire summer scanning manuals. You still had to look it up manually, because OCR wasn't really a thing yet, and you were dealing with multi-page TIFFs. But you could have all the manuals for all the equipment you were working with right there on your PC during a startup. It was Amazing! Now I get annoyed if it takes more than a couple clicks on a manufacturers website to download the PDF of the manual I need.","human_ref_B":"Same same but slower","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4658.0,"score_ratio":11.0} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j15mytb","c_root_id_B":"j15jqcu","created_at_utc_A":1671656764,"created_at_utc_B":1671655489,"score_A":32,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Circuit layout was done with transparent films and opaque tapes. The tapes were cut and applied by hand on an enlarged scale. Back in the day most\/all components were through-hole leaded types. The resolution required was crude at best. Circuit design was done with manual calculations using \"simple\" analytical models of device performance. Much of the input data for the models came from small graphs in data books. People guarded their data books with a passion. Calculations could be long and tedious, so each engineer had their favorite suppliers, even specific devices. Reusing the same stuff made the process easier. All that said, very few could design a moderately-difficult circuit without considerable lab testing and refinement. That allowed people to develop considerable intuition about what worked, and what to avoid. There was lots of trial and error in both analytical and experimental approaches- heavy on the errors! There are some great books that discuss \"vintage\" engineering. One is \"Soul of a New Machine\" by Tracy Kidder. There are also many about the Mercury-Gemini-Apollo space program. I've read too many to remember specific titles.","human_ref_B":"I'm not really sure, but I think paper cuts were a bigger hazard than they are now","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1275.0,"score_ratio":2.4615384615} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j15lope","c_root_id_B":"j15mytb","created_at_utc_A":1671656256,"created_at_utc_B":1671656764,"score_A":3,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"Same same but slower","human_ref_B":"Circuit layout was done with transparent films and opaque tapes. The tapes were cut and applied by hand on an enlarged scale. Back in the day most\/all components were through-hole leaded types. The resolution required was crude at best. Circuit design was done with manual calculations using \"simple\" analytical models of device performance. Much of the input data for the models came from small graphs in data books. People guarded their data books with a passion. Calculations could be long and tedious, so each engineer had their favorite suppliers, even specific devices. Reusing the same stuff made the process easier. All that said, very few could design a moderately-difficult circuit without considerable lab testing and refinement. That allowed people to develop considerable intuition about what worked, and what to avoid. There was lots of trial and error in both analytical and experimental approaches- heavy on the errors! There are some great books that discuss \"vintage\" engineering. One is \"Soul of a New Machine\" by Tracy Kidder. There are also many about the Mercury-Gemini-Apollo space program. I've read too many to remember specific titles.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":508.0,"score_ratio":10.6666666667} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j15rkyj","c_root_id_B":"j15jqcu","created_at_utc_A":1671658610,"created_at_utc_B":1671655489,"score_A":29,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Drafting table, slide rule. *Machinery's Handbook* and *Mark's Handbook.* *Crane Valve Manual* for flow nomograms and piping flow calculations. *Boston Gear Works* catalog for gear stuff. *Parker O Ring Catalog* for O ring dimensions and materials. *CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics* for esoteric stuff. Tribal wisdom for information you can't find by yourself, like specific heat of ethylene glycol solutions.","human_ref_B":"I'm not really sure, but I think paper cuts were a bigger hazard than they are now","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3121.0,"score_ratio":2.2307692308} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j15lope","c_root_id_B":"j15rkyj","created_at_utc_A":1671656256,"created_at_utc_B":1671658610,"score_A":3,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Same same but slower","human_ref_B":"Drafting table, slide rule. *Machinery's Handbook* and *Mark's Handbook.* *Crane Valve Manual* for flow nomograms and piping flow calculations. *Boston Gear Works* catalog for gear stuff. *Parker O Ring Catalog* for O ring dimensions and materials. *CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics* for esoteric stuff. Tribal wisdom for information you can't find by yourself, like specific heat of ethylene glycol solutions.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2354.0,"score_ratio":9.6666666667} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j15jqcu","c_root_id_B":"j169eqh","created_at_utc_A":1671655489,"created_at_utc_B":1671666101,"score_A":13,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I'm not really sure, but I think paper cuts were a bigger hazard than they are now","human_ref_B":"Mechanical and aeronautical engineering had draftsmen tasked with maintaining and updating all the design drawings. A whole section of people designated with versioning, making copies and archiving the drawings. Aru some point, some offices got one terminal for feeding in punch cards for computation, but before that most calculations were done using manual computers (see movie Hidden Figures). There was also a lot of trial and error on designs, with a lot of conservatism built into them. So things were more redundant than they needed to be. But, the understanding was simplified. Complex non-linearities were either ignored or over estimated. However, people got far more opportunities to get their hands dirty on the product, and had a good engineering judgement RR RRR free free I was told that when Fax came along, it was a game changer since they didn't have to physically carry around documents and data from site to site. Email started showing up in the 90s with a PC on every desk, and they came with spreadsheets and powerpoint - two things that fundamentally changed what working in an office meant.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10612.0,"score_ratio":1.1538461538} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j169eqh","c_root_id_B":"j15xuwe","created_at_utc_A":1671666101,"created_at_utc_B":1671661176,"score_A":15,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Mechanical and aeronautical engineering had draftsmen tasked with maintaining and updating all the design drawings. A whole section of people designated with versioning, making copies and archiving the drawings. Aru some point, some offices got one terminal for feeding in punch cards for computation, but before that most calculations were done using manual computers (see movie Hidden Figures). There was also a lot of trial and error on designs, with a lot of conservatism built into them. So things were more redundant than they needed to be. But, the understanding was simplified. Complex non-linearities were either ignored or over estimated. However, people got far more opportunities to get their hands dirty on the product, and had a good engineering judgement RR RRR free free I was told that when Fax came along, it was a game changer since they didn't have to physically carry around documents and data from site to site. Email started showing up in the 90s with a PC on every desk, and they came with spreadsheets and powerpoint - two things that fundamentally changed what working in an office meant.","human_ref_B":"I remember walking through the offices of a large aircraft engine manufacturer and being amazed at the piles of large drawings on drafting tables. I'm sure they had started digitizing all that about then, but those systems were pretty clunky too. In the '90s, we had a workstation with a screen that could display a drawing and then order it printed full-size. Had to walk 1\/4 mile to go get them. I usually tried not to do that, but if it was something I was going to have to make a change order for I would get them printed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4925.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j169eqh","c_root_id_B":"j15lope","created_at_utc_A":1671666101,"created_at_utc_B":1671656256,"score_A":15,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Mechanical and aeronautical engineering had draftsmen tasked with maintaining and updating all the design drawings. A whole section of people designated with versioning, making copies and archiving the drawings. Aru some point, some offices got one terminal for feeding in punch cards for computation, but before that most calculations were done using manual computers (see movie Hidden Figures). There was also a lot of trial and error on designs, with a lot of conservatism built into them. So things were more redundant than they needed to be. But, the understanding was simplified. Complex non-linearities were either ignored or over estimated. However, people got far more opportunities to get their hands dirty on the product, and had a good engineering judgement RR RRR free free I was told that when Fax came along, it was a game changer since they didn't have to physically carry around documents and data from site to site. Email started showing up in the 90s with a PC on every desk, and they came with spreadsheets and powerpoint - two things that fundamentally changed what working in an office meant.","human_ref_B":"Same same but slower","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9845.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j169eqh","c_root_id_B":"j162lr8","created_at_utc_A":1671666101,"created_at_utc_B":1671663148,"score_A":15,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Mechanical and aeronautical engineering had draftsmen tasked with maintaining and updating all the design drawings. A whole section of people designated with versioning, making copies and archiving the drawings. Aru some point, some offices got one terminal for feeding in punch cards for computation, but before that most calculations were done using manual computers (see movie Hidden Figures). There was also a lot of trial and error on designs, with a lot of conservatism built into them. So things were more redundant than they needed to be. But, the understanding was simplified. Complex non-linearities were either ignored or over estimated. However, people got far more opportunities to get their hands dirty on the product, and had a good engineering judgement RR RRR free free I was told that when Fax came along, it was a game changer since they didn't have to physically carry around documents and data from site to site. Email started showing up in the 90s with a PC on every desk, and they came with spreadsheets and powerpoint - two things that fundamentally changed what working in an office meant.","human_ref_B":"PC boards were designed and laid out using vellum, colored pencils, rolls of stickers of component pad layouts, and rolls of black crepe tape of various widths. Parts placement was done based on schematics and experience then trial interconnects were done in pencil. Finally, the pencil tracks were covered in tape of various widths. A trace 0.02\" wide was about the narrowest practical. Layout was done on 4:1 scale and each layer was a sheet. Two layers were about all you saw. Schematics were done in pencil on 0.1\" grid paper and components symbols drawn with plastic templates. After breadboarding and testing, drafters made them production-ready, still in pencil. When the electric erasers went cordless it was a great day! Ant there were bookcases full of data books for components. The National Semiconductor databook for 7400 series TTL logic was about 5\"x8\"x3\" thick. And an engineering library nearby for research on parts.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2953.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j15xuwe","c_root_id_B":"j17f3k0","created_at_utc_A":1671661176,"created_at_utc_B":1671686603,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I remember walking through the offices of a large aircraft engine manufacturer and being amazed at the piles of large drawings on drafting tables. I'm sure they had started digitizing all that about then, but those systems were pretty clunky too. In the '90s, we had a workstation with a screen that could display a drawing and then order it printed full-size. Had to walk 1\/4 mile to go get them. I usually tried not to do that, but if it was something I was going to have to make a change order for I would get them printed.","human_ref_B":"I started in an EE shop in 1978. EE's and technicians would work by using breadboards, which were able to accept standard components of the day in a grid of sockets that were in electrically connected blocks and columns. Connections were made by using lightweight jumper wires, which were available in pre-cut and tinned lengths with color-coded insulation. Circuits were prototyped this way, and debugged with oscilloscopes and logic analyzers and plain VOM's. Bench power supplies were usually used. As a design progressed, each engineer would maintain circuit diagrams on D-sized grid-lined drafting paper, in erasable drafting pencil, and usually using stencils. Once a design was ready to start producing in test quantities, the circuit diagrams would be cleaned up and usually copied by a draftsperson, often the engineer themselves, to a new, final quality drawing. We had a layout person who had a large (E-sized IIRC) drafting table and would lay out the stencil for a printed circuit board on transparent acetate. Her setup could do 4-layer boards by superimposing films, and she consulted with the design engineer on aspects of the circuit, such as current requirements for run widths, and electronic reactivity and crosstalk characteristics. Usually first test article boards would need a skilled technician and hand modifications to boards, such as drilling runs to cut them, and adding jumper wires to make new circuits. Test boards often had spare 'parking' areas for standard sized components like 10, 12, and 14 pin DIP chips, and might have test connectors and posts added for easier hardware debugging, and many components were socketed for quick, solder less replacement when they let their magic smoke escape and stopped working, as they often did. Early boards often were good for making smoke the first few times they were powered on. By the late 1980's, circuit drafting and PCB layout was happening on PC's and mini's like VAXboxes. AutoCAD was on Intel\/DOS PC's almost from their beginning. Circuit simulation programs were still in their infancy but rapidly gaining capability. My side was software. Production software archives, usually assembly, were often source code text dumps to dot-matrix printouts and paper tape. Another place I knew of was using microfiche to archive. Electronic media like floppies were quite expensive and not considered sufficiently 'archival', unlike plain old paper media. Circuit drawings, mechanical drawings for chassis were all done of D and E sized paper and carefully archived in a fire-resistant cabinet. PCB stencils similar. Paper-bound component references were on every EE and tech's shelves in their office. Manufacturer's reps would bring as many copies of their yearly component catalog and spec sheets as you wanted, for free. Big vendors like T.I., Intel, Motorola, and Fairchild all had a literal shipping pallet sized set of docs. Most EE's and techs would have a set of design references handy, with application specific formulas and reference tables. Edited to reflect more on the software process: We made computer controlled medical equipment, on a small scale. Company was maybe 150 people, including all the in-house manufacturing, accounting, etc. There were maybe 15 engineers, 5 hardware techs in development, and the lines were much blurrier in those days between software and hardware. Most people would have considered themselves \"hardware\" but part of hardware was writing your own software, usually in assembly. There were maybe 5 of us dedicated software people, but such was the environment, we had oscilloscopes and had to know enough electronics to at least operate breadboarded prototypes, finding short circuits, that kind of thing. Plus, programming at the bare metal level as we all did on those days, you kind of had to have a sense of what the primitive DAC's and ADC's we were using, or how memory accesses worked in DRAM with RAS and CAS visible to software processes, which, along with instruction clock cycle counting as our flavor of performance optimization all made a thin veil between software and hardware. Almost all software was 8-bit assembly. Our company actually used the earlier Intel 4004 in our previous generation, a bit before my time there, but the Intel development systems for it were still in the labs. You'd write your code, then save to floppy and walk it over to the EPROM burning station everyone shared, and burn you some ROM's. Etiquette in the shop was you were to take your older EPROM's back to the burner area, and run a batch in the UV eraser box when it was full. Kind of like sharing a dishwasher. You'd poke your EPROMS into your prototype, which would have ZIF sockets since you might swap them out hourly during intensive development. The CPU had a tiny, simple little ROM monitor on it and an RS-232 port that ran at 9600 baud. We'd use a 'dumb' glass TTY, usually 80x25 characters, and we could debug in the ROM monitor that could set a breakpoint, read and set registers and memory. You'd make a paper printout (on a dot-matrix, tractor-fed printer) of your assembly source after it was assembled, the assembler would produce an annotated source with all the hex values alongside the text, and use that in your debugging, along with tons of scribbles on a ruled notepad of hex addresses and symbol names as you worked with them.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25427.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j15lope","c_root_id_B":"j17f3k0","created_at_utc_A":1671656256,"created_at_utc_B":1671686603,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Same same but slower","human_ref_B":"I started in an EE shop in 1978. EE's and technicians would work by using breadboards, which were able to accept standard components of the day in a grid of sockets that were in electrically connected blocks and columns. Connections were made by using lightweight jumper wires, which were available in pre-cut and tinned lengths with color-coded insulation. Circuits were prototyped this way, and debugged with oscilloscopes and logic analyzers and plain VOM's. Bench power supplies were usually used. As a design progressed, each engineer would maintain circuit diagrams on D-sized grid-lined drafting paper, in erasable drafting pencil, and usually using stencils. Once a design was ready to start producing in test quantities, the circuit diagrams would be cleaned up and usually copied by a draftsperson, often the engineer themselves, to a new, final quality drawing. We had a layout person who had a large (E-sized IIRC) drafting table and would lay out the stencil for a printed circuit board on transparent acetate. Her setup could do 4-layer boards by superimposing films, and she consulted with the design engineer on aspects of the circuit, such as current requirements for run widths, and electronic reactivity and crosstalk characteristics. Usually first test article boards would need a skilled technician and hand modifications to boards, such as drilling runs to cut them, and adding jumper wires to make new circuits. Test boards often had spare 'parking' areas for standard sized components like 10, 12, and 14 pin DIP chips, and might have test connectors and posts added for easier hardware debugging, and many components were socketed for quick, solder less replacement when they let their magic smoke escape and stopped working, as they often did. Early boards often were good for making smoke the first few times they were powered on. By the late 1980's, circuit drafting and PCB layout was happening on PC's and mini's like VAXboxes. AutoCAD was on Intel\/DOS PC's almost from their beginning. Circuit simulation programs were still in their infancy but rapidly gaining capability. My side was software. Production software archives, usually assembly, were often source code text dumps to dot-matrix printouts and paper tape. Another place I knew of was using microfiche to archive. Electronic media like floppies were quite expensive and not considered sufficiently 'archival', unlike plain old paper media. Circuit drawings, mechanical drawings for chassis were all done of D and E sized paper and carefully archived in a fire-resistant cabinet. PCB stencils similar. Paper-bound component references were on every EE and tech's shelves in their office. Manufacturer's reps would bring as many copies of their yearly component catalog and spec sheets as you wanted, for free. Big vendors like T.I., Intel, Motorola, and Fairchild all had a literal shipping pallet sized set of docs. Most EE's and techs would have a set of design references handy, with application specific formulas and reference tables. Edited to reflect more on the software process: We made computer controlled medical equipment, on a small scale. Company was maybe 150 people, including all the in-house manufacturing, accounting, etc. There were maybe 15 engineers, 5 hardware techs in development, and the lines were much blurrier in those days between software and hardware. Most people would have considered themselves \"hardware\" but part of hardware was writing your own software, usually in assembly. There were maybe 5 of us dedicated software people, but such was the environment, we had oscilloscopes and had to know enough electronics to at least operate breadboarded prototypes, finding short circuits, that kind of thing. Plus, programming at the bare metal level as we all did on those days, you kind of had to have a sense of what the primitive DAC's and ADC's we were using, or how memory accesses worked in DRAM with RAS and CAS visible to software processes, which, along with instruction clock cycle counting as our flavor of performance optimization all made a thin veil between software and hardware. Almost all software was 8-bit assembly. Our company actually used the earlier Intel 4004 in our previous generation, a bit before my time there, but the Intel development systems for it were still in the labs. You'd write your code, then save to floppy and walk it over to the EPROM burning station everyone shared, and burn you some ROM's. Etiquette in the shop was you were to take your older EPROM's back to the burner area, and run a batch in the UV eraser box when it was full. Kind of like sharing a dishwasher. You'd poke your EPROMS into your prototype, which would have ZIF sockets since you might swap them out hourly during intensive development. The CPU had a tiny, simple little ROM monitor on it and an RS-232 port that ran at 9600 baud. We'd use a 'dumb' glass TTY, usually 80x25 characters, and we could debug in the ROM monitor that could set a breakpoint, read and set registers and memory. You'd make a paper printout (on a dot-matrix, tractor-fed printer) of your assembly source after it was assembled, the assembler would produce an annotated source with all the hex values alongside the text, and use that in your debugging, along with tons of scribbles on a ruled notepad of hex addresses and symbol names as you worked with them.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30347.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j162lr8","c_root_id_B":"j17f3k0","created_at_utc_A":1671663148,"created_at_utc_B":1671686603,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"PC boards were designed and laid out using vellum, colored pencils, rolls of stickers of component pad layouts, and rolls of black crepe tape of various widths. Parts placement was done based on schematics and experience then trial interconnects were done in pencil. Finally, the pencil tracks were covered in tape of various widths. A trace 0.02\" wide was about the narrowest practical. Layout was done on 4:1 scale and each layer was a sheet. Two layers were about all you saw. Schematics were done in pencil on 0.1\" grid paper and components symbols drawn with plastic templates. After breadboarding and testing, drafters made them production-ready, still in pencil. When the electric erasers went cordless it was a great day! Ant there were bookcases full of data books for components. The National Semiconductor databook for 7400 series TTL logic was about 5\"x8\"x3\" thick. And an engineering library nearby for research on parts.","human_ref_B":"I started in an EE shop in 1978. EE's and technicians would work by using breadboards, which were able to accept standard components of the day in a grid of sockets that were in electrically connected blocks and columns. Connections were made by using lightweight jumper wires, which were available in pre-cut and tinned lengths with color-coded insulation. Circuits were prototyped this way, and debugged with oscilloscopes and logic analyzers and plain VOM's. Bench power supplies were usually used. As a design progressed, each engineer would maintain circuit diagrams on D-sized grid-lined drafting paper, in erasable drafting pencil, and usually using stencils. Once a design was ready to start producing in test quantities, the circuit diagrams would be cleaned up and usually copied by a draftsperson, often the engineer themselves, to a new, final quality drawing. We had a layout person who had a large (E-sized IIRC) drafting table and would lay out the stencil for a printed circuit board on transparent acetate. Her setup could do 4-layer boards by superimposing films, and she consulted with the design engineer on aspects of the circuit, such as current requirements for run widths, and electronic reactivity and crosstalk characteristics. Usually first test article boards would need a skilled technician and hand modifications to boards, such as drilling runs to cut them, and adding jumper wires to make new circuits. Test boards often had spare 'parking' areas for standard sized components like 10, 12, and 14 pin DIP chips, and might have test connectors and posts added for easier hardware debugging, and many components were socketed for quick, solder less replacement when they let their magic smoke escape and stopped working, as they often did. Early boards often were good for making smoke the first few times they were powered on. By the late 1980's, circuit drafting and PCB layout was happening on PC's and mini's like VAXboxes. AutoCAD was on Intel\/DOS PC's almost from their beginning. Circuit simulation programs were still in their infancy but rapidly gaining capability. My side was software. Production software archives, usually assembly, were often source code text dumps to dot-matrix printouts and paper tape. Another place I knew of was using microfiche to archive. Electronic media like floppies were quite expensive and not considered sufficiently 'archival', unlike plain old paper media. Circuit drawings, mechanical drawings for chassis were all done of D and E sized paper and carefully archived in a fire-resistant cabinet. PCB stencils similar. Paper-bound component references were on every EE and tech's shelves in their office. Manufacturer's reps would bring as many copies of their yearly component catalog and spec sheets as you wanted, for free. Big vendors like T.I., Intel, Motorola, and Fairchild all had a literal shipping pallet sized set of docs. Most EE's and techs would have a set of design references handy, with application specific formulas and reference tables. Edited to reflect more on the software process: We made computer controlled medical equipment, on a small scale. Company was maybe 150 people, including all the in-house manufacturing, accounting, etc. There were maybe 15 engineers, 5 hardware techs in development, and the lines were much blurrier in those days between software and hardware. Most people would have considered themselves \"hardware\" but part of hardware was writing your own software, usually in assembly. There were maybe 5 of us dedicated software people, but such was the environment, we had oscilloscopes and had to know enough electronics to at least operate breadboarded prototypes, finding short circuits, that kind of thing. Plus, programming at the bare metal level as we all did on those days, you kind of had to have a sense of what the primitive DAC's and ADC's we were using, or how memory accesses worked in DRAM with RAS and CAS visible to software processes, which, along with instruction clock cycle counting as our flavor of performance optimization all made a thin veil between software and hardware. Almost all software was 8-bit assembly. Our company actually used the earlier Intel 4004 in our previous generation, a bit before my time there, but the Intel development systems for it were still in the labs. You'd write your code, then save to floppy and walk it over to the EPROM burning station everyone shared, and burn you some ROM's. Etiquette in the shop was you were to take your older EPROM's back to the burner area, and run a batch in the UV eraser box when it was full. Kind of like sharing a dishwasher. You'd poke your EPROMS into your prototype, which would have ZIF sockets since you might swap them out hourly during intensive development. The CPU had a tiny, simple little ROM monitor on it and an RS-232 port that ran at 9600 baud. We'd use a 'dumb' glass TTY, usually 80x25 characters, and we could debug in the ROM monitor that could set a breakpoint, read and set registers and memory. You'd make a paper printout (on a dot-matrix, tractor-fed printer) of your assembly source after it was assembled, the assembler would produce an annotated source with all the hex values alongside the text, and use that in your debugging, along with tons of scribbles on a ruled notepad of hex addresses and symbol names as you worked with them.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":23455.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j17f3k0","c_root_id_B":"j16clty","created_at_utc_A":1671686603,"created_at_utc_B":1671667547,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I started in an EE shop in 1978. EE's and technicians would work by using breadboards, which were able to accept standard components of the day in a grid of sockets that were in electrically connected blocks and columns. Connections were made by using lightweight jumper wires, which were available in pre-cut and tinned lengths with color-coded insulation. Circuits were prototyped this way, and debugged with oscilloscopes and logic analyzers and plain VOM's. Bench power supplies were usually used. As a design progressed, each engineer would maintain circuit diagrams on D-sized grid-lined drafting paper, in erasable drafting pencil, and usually using stencils. Once a design was ready to start producing in test quantities, the circuit diagrams would be cleaned up and usually copied by a draftsperson, often the engineer themselves, to a new, final quality drawing. We had a layout person who had a large (E-sized IIRC) drafting table and would lay out the stencil for a printed circuit board on transparent acetate. Her setup could do 4-layer boards by superimposing films, and she consulted with the design engineer on aspects of the circuit, such as current requirements for run widths, and electronic reactivity and crosstalk characteristics. Usually first test article boards would need a skilled technician and hand modifications to boards, such as drilling runs to cut them, and adding jumper wires to make new circuits. Test boards often had spare 'parking' areas for standard sized components like 10, 12, and 14 pin DIP chips, and might have test connectors and posts added for easier hardware debugging, and many components were socketed for quick, solder less replacement when they let their magic smoke escape and stopped working, as they often did. Early boards often were good for making smoke the first few times they were powered on. By the late 1980's, circuit drafting and PCB layout was happening on PC's and mini's like VAXboxes. AutoCAD was on Intel\/DOS PC's almost from their beginning. Circuit simulation programs were still in their infancy but rapidly gaining capability. My side was software. Production software archives, usually assembly, were often source code text dumps to dot-matrix printouts and paper tape. Another place I knew of was using microfiche to archive. Electronic media like floppies were quite expensive and not considered sufficiently 'archival', unlike plain old paper media. Circuit drawings, mechanical drawings for chassis were all done of D and E sized paper and carefully archived in a fire-resistant cabinet. PCB stencils similar. Paper-bound component references were on every EE and tech's shelves in their office. Manufacturer's reps would bring as many copies of their yearly component catalog and spec sheets as you wanted, for free. Big vendors like T.I., Intel, Motorola, and Fairchild all had a literal shipping pallet sized set of docs. Most EE's and techs would have a set of design references handy, with application specific formulas and reference tables. Edited to reflect more on the software process: We made computer controlled medical equipment, on a small scale. Company was maybe 150 people, including all the in-house manufacturing, accounting, etc. There were maybe 15 engineers, 5 hardware techs in development, and the lines were much blurrier in those days between software and hardware. Most people would have considered themselves \"hardware\" but part of hardware was writing your own software, usually in assembly. There were maybe 5 of us dedicated software people, but such was the environment, we had oscilloscopes and had to know enough electronics to at least operate breadboarded prototypes, finding short circuits, that kind of thing. Plus, programming at the bare metal level as we all did on those days, you kind of had to have a sense of what the primitive DAC's and ADC's we were using, or how memory accesses worked in DRAM with RAS and CAS visible to software processes, which, along with instruction clock cycle counting as our flavor of performance optimization all made a thin veil between software and hardware. Almost all software was 8-bit assembly. Our company actually used the earlier Intel 4004 in our previous generation, a bit before my time there, but the Intel development systems for it were still in the labs. You'd write your code, then save to floppy and walk it over to the EPROM burning station everyone shared, and burn you some ROM's. Etiquette in the shop was you were to take your older EPROM's back to the burner area, and run a batch in the UV eraser box when it was full. Kind of like sharing a dishwasher. You'd poke your EPROMS into your prototype, which would have ZIF sockets since you might swap them out hourly during intensive development. The CPU had a tiny, simple little ROM monitor on it and an RS-232 port that ran at 9600 baud. We'd use a 'dumb' glass TTY, usually 80x25 characters, and we could debug in the ROM monitor that could set a breakpoint, read and set registers and memory. You'd make a paper printout (on a dot-matrix, tractor-fed printer) of your assembly source after it was assembled, the assembler would produce an annotated source with all the hex values alongside the text, and use that in your debugging, along with tons of scribbles on a ruled notepad of hex addresses and symbol names as you worked with them.","human_ref_B":"I'm part of the upgrades team at my job. We regularly assess and design improvements for equipment that may have been in service for decades. Some of these jobs require me to look at scans of old hand drawn drawings. If I had to guess, everyone was either much more knowledgeable, or tribal knowledge was much more intense. Some of those drawings are seriously difficult to decipher.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19056.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j16nb6s","c_root_id_B":"j17f3k0","created_at_utc_A":1671672510,"created_at_utc_B":1671686603,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"There was a McMaster Carr catalog on every desk. If you didn't have one, you found a way to 'borrow' one.","human_ref_B":"I started in an EE shop in 1978. EE's and technicians would work by using breadboards, which were able to accept standard components of the day in a grid of sockets that were in electrically connected blocks and columns. Connections were made by using lightweight jumper wires, which were available in pre-cut and tinned lengths with color-coded insulation. Circuits were prototyped this way, and debugged with oscilloscopes and logic analyzers and plain VOM's. Bench power supplies were usually used. As a design progressed, each engineer would maintain circuit diagrams on D-sized grid-lined drafting paper, in erasable drafting pencil, and usually using stencils. Once a design was ready to start producing in test quantities, the circuit diagrams would be cleaned up and usually copied by a draftsperson, often the engineer themselves, to a new, final quality drawing. We had a layout person who had a large (E-sized IIRC) drafting table and would lay out the stencil for a printed circuit board on transparent acetate. Her setup could do 4-layer boards by superimposing films, and she consulted with the design engineer on aspects of the circuit, such as current requirements for run widths, and electronic reactivity and crosstalk characteristics. Usually first test article boards would need a skilled technician and hand modifications to boards, such as drilling runs to cut them, and adding jumper wires to make new circuits. Test boards often had spare 'parking' areas for standard sized components like 10, 12, and 14 pin DIP chips, and might have test connectors and posts added for easier hardware debugging, and many components were socketed for quick, solder less replacement when they let their magic smoke escape and stopped working, as they often did. Early boards often were good for making smoke the first few times they were powered on. By the late 1980's, circuit drafting and PCB layout was happening on PC's and mini's like VAXboxes. AutoCAD was on Intel\/DOS PC's almost from their beginning. Circuit simulation programs were still in their infancy but rapidly gaining capability. My side was software. Production software archives, usually assembly, were often source code text dumps to dot-matrix printouts and paper tape. Another place I knew of was using microfiche to archive. Electronic media like floppies were quite expensive and not considered sufficiently 'archival', unlike plain old paper media. Circuit drawings, mechanical drawings for chassis were all done of D and E sized paper and carefully archived in a fire-resistant cabinet. PCB stencils similar. Paper-bound component references were on every EE and tech's shelves in their office. Manufacturer's reps would bring as many copies of their yearly component catalog and spec sheets as you wanted, for free. Big vendors like T.I., Intel, Motorola, and Fairchild all had a literal shipping pallet sized set of docs. Most EE's and techs would have a set of design references handy, with application specific formulas and reference tables. Edited to reflect more on the software process: We made computer controlled medical equipment, on a small scale. Company was maybe 150 people, including all the in-house manufacturing, accounting, etc. There were maybe 15 engineers, 5 hardware techs in development, and the lines were much blurrier in those days between software and hardware. Most people would have considered themselves \"hardware\" but part of hardware was writing your own software, usually in assembly. There were maybe 5 of us dedicated software people, but such was the environment, we had oscilloscopes and had to know enough electronics to at least operate breadboarded prototypes, finding short circuits, that kind of thing. Plus, programming at the bare metal level as we all did on those days, you kind of had to have a sense of what the primitive DAC's and ADC's we were using, or how memory accesses worked in DRAM with RAS and CAS visible to software processes, which, along with instruction clock cycle counting as our flavor of performance optimization all made a thin veil between software and hardware. Almost all software was 8-bit assembly. Our company actually used the earlier Intel 4004 in our previous generation, a bit before my time there, but the Intel development systems for it were still in the labs. You'd write your code, then save to floppy and walk it over to the EPROM burning station everyone shared, and burn you some ROM's. Etiquette in the shop was you were to take your older EPROM's back to the burner area, and run a batch in the UV eraser box when it was full. Kind of like sharing a dishwasher. You'd poke your EPROMS into your prototype, which would have ZIF sockets since you might swap them out hourly during intensive development. The CPU had a tiny, simple little ROM monitor on it and an RS-232 port that ran at 9600 baud. We'd use a 'dumb' glass TTY, usually 80x25 characters, and we could debug in the ROM monitor that could set a breakpoint, read and set registers and memory. You'd make a paper printout (on a dot-matrix, tractor-fed printer) of your assembly source after it was assembled, the assembler would produce an annotated source with all the hex values alongside the text, and use that in your debugging, along with tons of scribbles on a ruled notepad of hex addresses and symbol names as you worked with them.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14093.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j15lope","c_root_id_B":"j15xuwe","created_at_utc_A":1671656256,"created_at_utc_B":1671661176,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Same same but slower","human_ref_B":"I remember walking through the offices of a large aircraft engine manufacturer and being amazed at the piles of large drawings on drafting tables. I'm sure they had started digitizing all that about then, but those systems were pretty clunky too. In the '90s, we had a workstation with a screen that could display a drawing and then order it printed full-size. Had to walk 1\/4 mile to go get them. I usually tried not to do that, but if it was something I was going to have to make a change order for I would get them printed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4920.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j17wg2n","c_root_id_B":"j15lope","created_at_utc_A":1671699334,"created_at_utc_B":1671656256,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I see a lot of mentions of paper, but not many of some of the cool time saving tricks of the time. Remember cleaning out a lab once and dumping piles of old records of \"integrated\" measurements that were taken by sticking rolls of readout traces onto card stock, to cut out and *physically weigh.* But I'm your age, I just work with a lot of old guys, or end up cleaning up their messes after they die somehow I guess. Bad engineers and bad engineering are damn near universal constants, but modern knowledge and technology still keeps making good engineers better.","human_ref_B":"Same same but slower","labels":1,"seconds_difference":43078.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j17wg2n","c_root_id_B":"j162lr8","created_at_utc_A":1671699334,"created_at_utc_B":1671663148,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I see a lot of mentions of paper, but not many of some of the cool time saving tricks of the time. Remember cleaning out a lab once and dumping piles of old records of \"integrated\" measurements that were taken by sticking rolls of readout traces onto card stock, to cut out and *physically weigh.* But I'm your age, I just work with a lot of old guys, or end up cleaning up their messes after they die somehow I guess. Bad engineers and bad engineering are damn near universal constants, but modern knowledge and technology still keeps making good engineers better.","human_ref_B":"PC boards were designed and laid out using vellum, colored pencils, rolls of stickers of component pad layouts, and rolls of black crepe tape of various widths. Parts placement was done based on schematics and experience then trial interconnects were done in pencil. Finally, the pencil tracks were covered in tape of various widths. A trace 0.02\" wide was about the narrowest practical. Layout was done on 4:1 scale and each layer was a sheet. Two layers were about all you saw. Schematics were done in pencil on 0.1\" grid paper and components symbols drawn with plastic templates. After breadboarding and testing, drafters made them production-ready, still in pencil. When the electric erasers went cordless it was a great day! Ant there were bookcases full of data books for components. The National Semiconductor databook for 7400 series TTL logic was about 5\"x8\"x3\" thick. And an engineering library nearby for research on parts.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":36186.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j16clty","c_root_id_B":"j17wg2n","created_at_utc_A":1671667547,"created_at_utc_B":1671699334,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I'm part of the upgrades team at my job. We regularly assess and design improvements for equipment that may have been in service for decades. Some of these jobs require me to look at scans of old hand drawn drawings. If I had to guess, everyone was either much more knowledgeable, or tribal knowledge was much more intense. Some of those drawings are seriously difficult to decipher.","human_ref_B":"I see a lot of mentions of paper, but not many of some of the cool time saving tricks of the time. Remember cleaning out a lab once and dumping piles of old records of \"integrated\" measurements that were taken by sticking rolls of readout traces onto card stock, to cut out and *physically weigh.* But I'm your age, I just work with a lot of old guys, or end up cleaning up their messes after they die somehow I guess. Bad engineers and bad engineering are damn near universal constants, but modern knowledge and technology still keeps making good engineers better.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":31787.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"zrzwwa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What was the engineering day to day like before computers and the internet took over? One thing that amazes me as a 34 yo electrical engineer is that people used to do this stuff without computers and internet. I was just reminded of this when seeing someone holding an \"electric eraser\" on another reddit post picture from the desk of a drafter in 1984. So, I am curious to the engineers that started their careers before engineering became more computerized. What was it like? What were the details of designing schematics and PCB layouts before all of the CAD software? Did things just take longer, or have I been spoiled with new technology and just have it much easier in my day to day activities? I am also thankful that I have digikey as a webpage and not as a physical catalog when searching new parts. Extra points to fellow EE's, just because I'm curious. Enjoy the holidays, everyone!","c_root_id_A":"j16nb6s","c_root_id_B":"j17wg2n","created_at_utc_A":1671672510,"created_at_utc_B":1671699334,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"There was a McMaster Carr catalog on every desk. If you didn't have one, you found a way to 'borrow' one.","human_ref_B":"I see a lot of mentions of paper, but not many of some of the cool time saving tricks of the time. Remember cleaning out a lab once and dumping piles of old records of \"integrated\" measurements that were taken by sticking rolls of readout traces onto card stock, to cut out and *physically weigh.* But I'm your age, I just work with a lot of old guys, or end up cleaning up their messes after they die somehow I guess. Bad engineers and bad engineering are damn near universal constants, but modern knowledge and technology still keeps making good engineers better.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":26824.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io3p9zq","c_root_id_B":"io3plj0","created_at_utc_A":1662974538,"created_at_utc_B":1662974826,"score_A":43,"score_B":324,"human_ref_A":"I think the why did car dependency become so prevalent is better covered by historians but here is my quick take which ignores important factors like lobby and planning\/zoning: car dependant design took off in the 1950s and 60s in the US and much of Europe. In short this was a time of massive social change, economic prosperity (in the US) and rebuilding (in Europe). Building infrastructure (roads) is generally more politically popular than funding or subsidising public transport. A lot of what we now see as huge mistakes and problems at the time was seen as huge progress. The world of the late 1940s and 1950s was a very different place. As to whether you can fix it. The answer is categorically yes but there needs to be politics will to do so backed by the money to implement it. Amsterdam is perhaps the best example of this. Amsterdam was at one point in the 1970s and 80s hostile to anyone who didn\u2019t drive. Now it\u2019s the gold standard for a walkable, bikable city. Amsterdam does benefit from originally being designed at a human scale with high density even while it was car dependant. A lot of sprawling US cities with low density would be challenging to make not car dependant in a cost effective way. It\u2019s not impossible but it\u2019s certainly not easy. A good compromise is often to invest in public transport infrastructure even in car dependant places and make it cost and time competitive with driving to get some portion of people out of their cars. Building denser housing in city centres and near train stations can help. Allow for mixed use zoning so places people want to go are near where they want to live so they can walk. Very low density areas lend themselves to car dependency in a way that public transport cannot easily solve. As a lot of US cities are low density because of the car the problem is much more police fly difficult to solve without major redevelopment and investment.","human_ref_B":"It's more a politics\/history question than an engineering one. Not everywhere developed in the same way. Why did North America in particular go down this route? Huge amounts of cheap land made low-density living possible. Post-WWII industrial capacity, economic strength and cheap oil made motor vehicle ownership widely accessible. Suburban development offers big, cheap houses away from the noise, pollution and crime of cities. The dream is that you can get anywhere you want quickly and comfortably without having to wait or deal with the weather or other people. Sometimes it works OK, sometimes it doesn't. Most other places have less land, less oil and less money so the problems of financial cost, congestion and pollution become limiting earlier. You get different kinds of social problems with different levels of population density and these are often culture\/country-specific.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":288.0,"score_ratio":7.5348837209} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io3qa3r","c_root_id_B":"io3roul","created_at_utc_A":1662975423,"created_at_utc_B":1662976647,"score_A":6,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"How does being car centric limit your 'freedom'?","human_ref_B":"The majority wants to drive. It's as simple as that. I went car free in my 20's, but now in my late 30's with a kid we couldn't function without two cars. But that is also because we live 16km outside the city(30km to work). I'd much rather live downtown but my wife insist on living near her family and she also works for the family business, so she has a walkable commute(well her job takes her all over the city at times). As much as cities are \"planned\", they are more of an evolution. The goals of the planners evolve and they some how need to keep with the past. In Europe the cities are very old, so the past is long before cars. Here in North America, the cities are somewhat young and the bulk of the growth came in the post war boom. Just when the \"American dream\" was all about owning your own car and cruising the open highway, having your own detached home. So infrastructure and our society has heavily invested driving. Changing that is very difficult. The thought of living in an apartment building feels like a punishment to many. It's untenable. I have a coworker who commutes 70 min each way everyday to have a large house in the country. He has a massive drafty old house that cost a fortune to heat, he spends another fortune on fuel and vehicles. His kids are all grown up and moved out. His family, friend and church are all on the far side of the city. So even on his days off he is making the crazy commute. He won't even consider moving into an apartment even though it would cut his cost of living to like 1\/2 if not a 1\/4 of what it is now. This guy also complains that he can't afford to retire. His wife also works in the city just a few blocks away. Personally I'd love to live a 10 to 15min walk from work. But that would mean my wife has the 35min commute and we would be driving back and forth in the evenings and weekends. It's a whole different ballgame when your single. As for stress, generally driving is not stressful. I find riding the busses more stressful in this city. Missed connections and missing the last bus of the day... I don't miss those days at all. I very much enjoyed biking to work but right now I live too far away to consider that. Driving is much more peaceful than being on the noisy bus with so many other people. I'm not even a car person, I'd much rather walk or bike. I drive a 17year old Toyota. Thankfully I can hybrid work now. I do 2-3 days in office a week and work the rest of the week from home. As for shopping, we mostly do that online now. Groceries are a stop on the way home from work. Once every month or two my wife will go into the hell hole that is the big block shopping center. Where you have to get into your car and drive between two buildings side by side. There isn't even a crosswalk if you wanted to try and walk. Even with a car those places are terrible. Yet the people flock there. The parking lots are always full of cars. People come from all over the city to shop. It's profitable to build these big hell holes. More people go to these places than go to the malls that have the same shops.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1224.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io4bslb","c_root_id_B":"io3whke","created_at_utc_A":1662989091,"created_at_utc_B":1662980386,"score_A":29,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"I've watched a few of those videos. While they make a few good points they are incredibly biased. From an engineering standpoint, they are giving an answer without asking, \"What's the real problem here?\". Those videos all ask the question from the standpoint of the ideal living being \"Walkable city with mass transit\". If you look back at some of the classic pre-automobile cities in the US, a lot of those cities became uncompetitive. The middle class flight of the 1950's was real and it was for a reason. They were turning into shit holes and people left in droves for a reason. Many cities like Detroit and NYC instituted income taxes. Crime was up and jobs were leaving. Why would you stay? Meanwhile you could move out somewhere like Long Island or NJ and get an actual house and your kids could go to school in relative safety. I live in the burbs. I've spent plenty of time in NYC and other places (San Francisco, Chicago, Rome, among others). No fucking way would I want to raise a kid there. I spent an evening in NYC once with a stroller and my wife, and that \"Walkable\" city was a complete cluster fuck. Meanwhile we have dogs, a yard, my kids all play sports, etc. We're minutes from the school, groceries, and a bunch of other things. If you're a 20 something, or even an empty nester, walkable cities are convenient for sure. But I can't think of a more special hell than trying to raise kids without a car and easy access to places. Those videos are trying to solve problems for people that frankly many people just don't want solved.","human_ref_B":"Car-centric design of communities was a social\/political\/cultural decision, and a result of the surburbanization of post-war America. It definitely was not an engineering decision.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8705.0,"score_ratio":1.2083333333} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io4bslb","c_root_id_B":"io4860p","created_at_utc_A":1662989091,"created_at_utc_B":1662987334,"score_A":29,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"I've watched a few of those videos. While they make a few good points they are incredibly biased. From an engineering standpoint, they are giving an answer without asking, \"What's the real problem here?\". Those videos all ask the question from the standpoint of the ideal living being \"Walkable city with mass transit\". If you look back at some of the classic pre-automobile cities in the US, a lot of those cities became uncompetitive. The middle class flight of the 1950's was real and it was for a reason. They were turning into shit holes and people left in droves for a reason. Many cities like Detroit and NYC instituted income taxes. Crime was up and jobs were leaving. Why would you stay? Meanwhile you could move out somewhere like Long Island or NJ and get an actual house and your kids could go to school in relative safety. I live in the burbs. I've spent plenty of time in NYC and other places (San Francisco, Chicago, Rome, among others). No fucking way would I want to raise a kid there. I spent an evening in NYC once with a stroller and my wife, and that \"Walkable\" city was a complete cluster fuck. Meanwhile we have dogs, a yard, my kids all play sports, etc. We're minutes from the school, groceries, and a bunch of other things. If you're a 20 something, or even an empty nester, walkable cities are convenient for sure. But I can't think of a more special hell than trying to raise kids without a car and easy access to places. Those videos are trying to solve problems for people that frankly many people just don't want solved.","human_ref_B":"Basically people wanted cheap houses in the suburbs, which don\u2019t have though density to ever realistically support transit.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1757.0,"score_ratio":1.7058823529} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io3qa3r","c_root_id_B":"io4bslb","created_at_utc_A":1662975423,"created_at_utc_B":1662989091,"score_A":6,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"How does being car centric limit your 'freedom'?","human_ref_B":"I've watched a few of those videos. While they make a few good points they are incredibly biased. From an engineering standpoint, they are giving an answer without asking, \"What's the real problem here?\". Those videos all ask the question from the standpoint of the ideal living being \"Walkable city with mass transit\". If you look back at some of the classic pre-automobile cities in the US, a lot of those cities became uncompetitive. The middle class flight of the 1950's was real and it was for a reason. They were turning into shit holes and people left in droves for a reason. Many cities like Detroit and NYC instituted income taxes. Crime was up and jobs were leaving. Why would you stay? Meanwhile you could move out somewhere like Long Island or NJ and get an actual house and your kids could go to school in relative safety. I live in the burbs. I've spent plenty of time in NYC and other places (San Francisco, Chicago, Rome, among others). No fucking way would I want to raise a kid there. I spent an evening in NYC once with a stroller and my wife, and that \"Walkable\" city was a complete cluster fuck. Meanwhile we have dogs, a yard, my kids all play sports, etc. We're minutes from the school, groceries, and a bunch of other things. If you're a 20 something, or even an empty nester, walkable cities are convenient for sure. But I can't think of a more special hell than trying to raise kids without a car and easy access to places. Those videos are trying to solve problems for people that frankly many people just don't want solved.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13668.0,"score_ratio":4.8333333333} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io464ox","c_root_id_B":"io4bslb","created_at_utc_A":1662986294,"created_at_utc_B":1662989091,"score_A":6,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Your typical suburban sprawl does not have high enough population density to earn enough taxes to cover the road infrastructure it encompasses. This means suburban areas are a negative sum game. If it was up to an engineer, it wouldn't be this way.","human_ref_B":"I've watched a few of those videos. While they make a few good points they are incredibly biased. From an engineering standpoint, they are giving an answer without asking, \"What's the real problem here?\". Those videos all ask the question from the standpoint of the ideal living being \"Walkable city with mass transit\". If you look back at some of the classic pre-automobile cities in the US, a lot of those cities became uncompetitive. The middle class flight of the 1950's was real and it was for a reason. They were turning into shit holes and people left in droves for a reason. Many cities like Detroit and NYC instituted income taxes. Crime was up and jobs were leaving. Why would you stay? Meanwhile you could move out somewhere like Long Island or NJ and get an actual house and your kids could go to school in relative safety. I live in the burbs. I've spent plenty of time in NYC and other places (San Francisco, Chicago, Rome, among others). No fucking way would I want to raise a kid there. I spent an evening in NYC once with a stroller and my wife, and that \"Walkable\" city was a complete cluster fuck. Meanwhile we have dogs, a yard, my kids all play sports, etc. We're minutes from the school, groceries, and a bunch of other things. If you're a 20 something, or even an empty nester, walkable cities are convenient for sure. But I can't think of a more special hell than trying to raise kids without a car and easy access to places. Those videos are trying to solve problems for people that frankly many people just don't want solved.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2797.0,"score_ratio":4.8333333333} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io3whke","c_root_id_B":"io3qa3r","created_at_utc_A":1662980386,"created_at_utc_B":1662975423,"score_A":24,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Car-centric design of communities was a social\/political\/cultural decision, and a result of the surburbanization of post-war America. It definitely was not an engineering decision.","human_ref_B":"How does being car centric limit your 'freedom'?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4963.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io4860p","c_root_id_B":"io4e67s","created_at_utc_A":1662987334,"created_at_utc_B":1662990198,"score_A":17,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Basically people wanted cheap houses in the suburbs, which don\u2019t have though density to ever realistically support transit.","human_ref_B":"In guessing the channel you found Is \"not just bikes\"?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2864.0,"score_ratio":1.2352941176} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io3qa3r","c_root_id_B":"io4e67s","created_at_utc_A":1662975423,"created_at_utc_B":1662990198,"score_A":6,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"How does being car centric limit your 'freedom'?","human_ref_B":"In guessing the channel you found Is \"not just bikes\"?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14775.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io464ox","c_root_id_B":"io4e67s","created_at_utc_A":1662986294,"created_at_utc_B":1662990198,"score_A":6,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Your typical suburban sprawl does not have high enough population density to earn enough taxes to cover the road infrastructure it encompasses. This means suburban areas are a negative sum game. If it was up to an engineer, it wouldn't be this way.","human_ref_B":"In guessing the channel you found Is \"not just bikes\"?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3904.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io5kb2e","c_root_id_B":"io4860p","created_at_utc_A":1663007212,"created_at_utc_B":1662987334,"score_A":18,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Zoning. As others have mentioned, this is more of a politics question than an engineering one. But single-use zoning is the primary cause of car dependent suburbia in the US, Canada, and Australia. Before the rise of the automobile, cities were built for human-scale traffic with some exceptions for horses or trams. Since most large cities predate the automobile, this meant that cities had a dense core to build off of. Euclid, Ohio used police power to prevent industrial Cleveland from expanding into their village and transforming its character. This was justified in *Euclid v. Ambler* (1926), which coined the term 'Euclidean zoning' for local governments determining which properties or zones in towns are most suitable for specific uses. The issue with this is that: * a zone only has one permitted use; most notably single family residents * all other uses (including denser residential structures) are prohibited * Single family residential structures are fundamentally less dense (about 1 household per acre or 2,000 people per square mile) * Public transportation requires densities of over 3,000 per square mile * Office space naturally arises near the urban core (71% located near that area), while people live increasing further away in suburban sprawl * With public transportation not viable, car-centric design is a necessity to traverse the distance between home and work * More people crunching into the same space for work creates traffic; each lane can only handle about ~1300 people at 60 MPH * With each passing year, further investment in the system created sunk-cost issues and made it harder to move away from This is why Anglosphere cities with single-use exclusionary zoning all generally have the urban core + suburban sprawl city structure and the a lack of workable public transportation. Even areas 'without zoning' typically replace it with a similar blueprint of restrictions that prevent denser architecture in all but name (e.g., Houston). Cities with non-exclusionary zoning, like those found in many European countries or Japan, did not give rise to similar issues at the same rate. With more building types permitted, cities stayed denser and public transportation continued to be viable. When car-centric planning started to become popular, it was still early enough in its infancy that widespread public opposition was often enough to move away from it, such as in the Netherlands. TL;DR: It was forbidden by law in virtually every US, Canadian, and Australian city to build anything **but** suburban sprawl, and this was true for much of the 20th century. There was literally no legal alternative, and cities naturally evolved to have infrastructure supporting what was legal.","human_ref_B":"Basically people wanted cheap houses in the suburbs, which don\u2019t have though density to ever realistically support transit.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19878.0,"score_ratio":1.0588235294} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io5kb2e","c_root_id_B":"io3qa3r","created_at_utc_A":1663007212,"created_at_utc_B":1662975423,"score_A":18,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Zoning. As others have mentioned, this is more of a politics question than an engineering one. But single-use zoning is the primary cause of car dependent suburbia in the US, Canada, and Australia. Before the rise of the automobile, cities were built for human-scale traffic with some exceptions for horses or trams. Since most large cities predate the automobile, this meant that cities had a dense core to build off of. Euclid, Ohio used police power to prevent industrial Cleveland from expanding into their village and transforming its character. This was justified in *Euclid v. Ambler* (1926), which coined the term 'Euclidean zoning' for local governments determining which properties or zones in towns are most suitable for specific uses. The issue with this is that: * a zone only has one permitted use; most notably single family residents * all other uses (including denser residential structures) are prohibited * Single family residential structures are fundamentally less dense (about 1 household per acre or 2,000 people per square mile) * Public transportation requires densities of over 3,000 per square mile * Office space naturally arises near the urban core (71% located near that area), while people live increasing further away in suburban sprawl * With public transportation not viable, car-centric design is a necessity to traverse the distance between home and work * More people crunching into the same space for work creates traffic; each lane can only handle about ~1300 people at 60 MPH * With each passing year, further investment in the system created sunk-cost issues and made it harder to move away from This is why Anglosphere cities with single-use exclusionary zoning all generally have the urban core + suburban sprawl city structure and the a lack of workable public transportation. Even areas 'without zoning' typically replace it with a similar blueprint of restrictions that prevent denser architecture in all but name (e.g., Houston). Cities with non-exclusionary zoning, like those found in many European countries or Japan, did not give rise to similar issues at the same rate. With more building types permitted, cities stayed denser and public transportation continued to be viable. When car-centric planning started to become popular, it was still early enough in its infancy that widespread public opposition was often enough to move away from it, such as in the Netherlands. TL;DR: It was forbidden by law in virtually every US, Canadian, and Australian city to build anything **but** suburban sprawl, and this was true for much of the 20th century. There was literally no legal alternative, and cities naturally evolved to have infrastructure supporting what was legal.","human_ref_B":"How does being car centric limit your 'freedom'?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":31789.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io5kb2e","c_root_id_B":"io4lihk","created_at_utc_A":1663007212,"created_at_utc_B":1662993369,"score_A":18,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Zoning. As others have mentioned, this is more of a politics question than an engineering one. But single-use zoning is the primary cause of car dependent suburbia in the US, Canada, and Australia. Before the rise of the automobile, cities were built for human-scale traffic with some exceptions for horses or trams. Since most large cities predate the automobile, this meant that cities had a dense core to build off of. Euclid, Ohio used police power to prevent industrial Cleveland from expanding into their village and transforming its character. This was justified in *Euclid v. Ambler* (1926), which coined the term 'Euclidean zoning' for local governments determining which properties or zones in towns are most suitable for specific uses. The issue with this is that: * a zone only has one permitted use; most notably single family residents * all other uses (including denser residential structures) are prohibited * Single family residential structures are fundamentally less dense (about 1 household per acre or 2,000 people per square mile) * Public transportation requires densities of over 3,000 per square mile * Office space naturally arises near the urban core (71% located near that area), while people live increasing further away in suburban sprawl * With public transportation not viable, car-centric design is a necessity to traverse the distance between home and work * More people crunching into the same space for work creates traffic; each lane can only handle about ~1300 people at 60 MPH * With each passing year, further investment in the system created sunk-cost issues and made it harder to move away from This is why Anglosphere cities with single-use exclusionary zoning all generally have the urban core + suburban sprawl city structure and the a lack of workable public transportation. Even areas 'without zoning' typically replace it with a similar blueprint of restrictions that prevent denser architecture in all but name (e.g., Houston). Cities with non-exclusionary zoning, like those found in many European countries or Japan, did not give rise to similar issues at the same rate. With more building types permitted, cities stayed denser and public transportation continued to be viable. When car-centric planning started to become popular, it was still early enough in its infancy that widespread public opposition was often enough to move away from it, such as in the Netherlands. TL;DR: It was forbidden by law in virtually every US, Canadian, and Australian city to build anything **but** suburban sprawl, and this was true for much of the 20th century. There was literally no legal alternative, and cities naturally evolved to have infrastructure supporting what was legal.","human_ref_B":"I see several people sidelining this kind of question as a history rather than engineering problem. I disagree: the history, politics, and ethics of civil engineering are a critical part of our practice. We must be a part of that conversation. To pretend these questions are best left to others is to resign yourself to instrumentality. This is your society too; care about why things happen, not just how they're done.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13843.0,"score_ratio":2.25} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io5kb2e","c_root_id_B":"io4yuc9","created_at_utc_A":1663007212,"created_at_utc_B":1662998779,"score_A":18,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Zoning. As others have mentioned, this is more of a politics question than an engineering one. But single-use zoning is the primary cause of car dependent suburbia in the US, Canada, and Australia. Before the rise of the automobile, cities were built for human-scale traffic with some exceptions for horses or trams. Since most large cities predate the automobile, this meant that cities had a dense core to build off of. Euclid, Ohio used police power to prevent industrial Cleveland from expanding into their village and transforming its character. This was justified in *Euclid v. Ambler* (1926), which coined the term 'Euclidean zoning' for local governments determining which properties or zones in towns are most suitable for specific uses. The issue with this is that: * a zone only has one permitted use; most notably single family residents * all other uses (including denser residential structures) are prohibited * Single family residential structures are fundamentally less dense (about 1 household per acre or 2,000 people per square mile) * Public transportation requires densities of over 3,000 per square mile * Office space naturally arises near the urban core (71% located near that area), while people live increasing further away in suburban sprawl * With public transportation not viable, car-centric design is a necessity to traverse the distance between home and work * More people crunching into the same space for work creates traffic; each lane can only handle about ~1300 people at 60 MPH * With each passing year, further investment in the system created sunk-cost issues and made it harder to move away from This is why Anglosphere cities with single-use exclusionary zoning all generally have the urban core + suburban sprawl city structure and the a lack of workable public transportation. Even areas 'without zoning' typically replace it with a similar blueprint of restrictions that prevent denser architecture in all but name (e.g., Houston). Cities with non-exclusionary zoning, like those found in many European countries or Japan, did not give rise to similar issues at the same rate. With more building types permitted, cities stayed denser and public transportation continued to be viable. When car-centric planning started to become popular, it was still early enough in its infancy that widespread public opposition was often enough to move away from it, such as in the Netherlands. TL;DR: It was forbidden by law in virtually every US, Canadian, and Australian city to build anything **but** suburban sprawl, and this was true for much of the 20th century. There was literally no legal alternative, and cities naturally evolved to have infrastructure supporting what was legal.","human_ref_B":"I think the simple reason is most European cities developed before cars were a thing. US cities developed right along with the huge uprising of cars.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8433.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io5kb2e","c_root_id_B":"io4udlf","created_at_utc_A":1663007212,"created_at_utc_B":1662997011,"score_A":18,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Zoning. As others have mentioned, this is more of a politics question than an engineering one. But single-use zoning is the primary cause of car dependent suburbia in the US, Canada, and Australia. Before the rise of the automobile, cities were built for human-scale traffic with some exceptions for horses or trams. Since most large cities predate the automobile, this meant that cities had a dense core to build off of. Euclid, Ohio used police power to prevent industrial Cleveland from expanding into their village and transforming its character. This was justified in *Euclid v. Ambler* (1926), which coined the term 'Euclidean zoning' for local governments determining which properties or zones in towns are most suitable for specific uses. The issue with this is that: * a zone only has one permitted use; most notably single family residents * all other uses (including denser residential structures) are prohibited * Single family residential structures are fundamentally less dense (about 1 household per acre or 2,000 people per square mile) * Public transportation requires densities of over 3,000 per square mile * Office space naturally arises near the urban core (71% located near that area), while people live increasing further away in suburban sprawl * With public transportation not viable, car-centric design is a necessity to traverse the distance between home and work * More people crunching into the same space for work creates traffic; each lane can only handle about ~1300 people at 60 MPH * With each passing year, further investment in the system created sunk-cost issues and made it harder to move away from This is why Anglosphere cities with single-use exclusionary zoning all generally have the urban core + suburban sprawl city structure and the a lack of workable public transportation. Even areas 'without zoning' typically replace it with a similar blueprint of restrictions that prevent denser architecture in all but name (e.g., Houston). Cities with non-exclusionary zoning, like those found in many European countries or Japan, did not give rise to similar issues at the same rate. With more building types permitted, cities stayed denser and public transportation continued to be viable. When car-centric planning started to become popular, it was still early enough in its infancy that widespread public opposition was often enough to move away from it, such as in the Netherlands. TL;DR: It was forbidden by law in virtually every US, Canadian, and Australian city to build anything **but** suburban sprawl, and this was true for much of the 20th century. There was literally no legal alternative, and cities naturally evolved to have infrastructure supporting what was legal.","human_ref_B":"There are a lot of advantages to it too.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10201.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io5kb2e","c_root_id_B":"io464ox","created_at_utc_A":1663007212,"created_at_utc_B":1662986294,"score_A":18,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Zoning. As others have mentioned, this is more of a politics question than an engineering one. But single-use zoning is the primary cause of car dependent suburbia in the US, Canada, and Australia. Before the rise of the automobile, cities were built for human-scale traffic with some exceptions for horses or trams. Since most large cities predate the automobile, this meant that cities had a dense core to build off of. Euclid, Ohio used police power to prevent industrial Cleveland from expanding into their village and transforming its character. This was justified in *Euclid v. Ambler* (1926), which coined the term 'Euclidean zoning' for local governments determining which properties or zones in towns are most suitable for specific uses. The issue with this is that: * a zone only has one permitted use; most notably single family residents * all other uses (including denser residential structures) are prohibited * Single family residential structures are fundamentally less dense (about 1 household per acre or 2,000 people per square mile) * Public transportation requires densities of over 3,000 per square mile * Office space naturally arises near the urban core (71% located near that area), while people live increasing further away in suburban sprawl * With public transportation not viable, car-centric design is a necessity to traverse the distance between home and work * More people crunching into the same space for work creates traffic; each lane can only handle about ~1300 people at 60 MPH * With each passing year, further investment in the system created sunk-cost issues and made it harder to move away from This is why Anglosphere cities with single-use exclusionary zoning all generally have the urban core + suburban sprawl city structure and the a lack of workable public transportation. Even areas 'without zoning' typically replace it with a similar blueprint of restrictions that prevent denser architecture in all but name (e.g., Houston). Cities with non-exclusionary zoning, like those found in many European countries or Japan, did not give rise to similar issues at the same rate. With more building types permitted, cities stayed denser and public transportation continued to be viable. When car-centric planning started to become popular, it was still early enough in its infancy that widespread public opposition was often enough to move away from it, such as in the Netherlands. TL;DR: It was forbidden by law in virtually every US, Canadian, and Australian city to build anything **but** suburban sprawl, and this was true for much of the 20th century. There was literally no legal alternative, and cities naturally evolved to have infrastructure supporting what was legal.","human_ref_B":"Your typical suburban sprawl does not have high enough population density to earn enough taxes to cover the road infrastructure it encompasses. This means suburban areas are a negative sum game. If it was up to an engineer, it wouldn't be this way.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20918.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io5kb2e","c_root_id_B":"io4le8q","created_at_utc_A":1663007212,"created_at_utc_B":1662993318,"score_A":18,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Zoning. As others have mentioned, this is more of a politics question than an engineering one. But single-use zoning is the primary cause of car dependent suburbia in the US, Canada, and Australia. Before the rise of the automobile, cities were built for human-scale traffic with some exceptions for horses or trams. Since most large cities predate the automobile, this meant that cities had a dense core to build off of. Euclid, Ohio used police power to prevent industrial Cleveland from expanding into their village and transforming its character. This was justified in *Euclid v. Ambler* (1926), which coined the term 'Euclidean zoning' for local governments determining which properties or zones in towns are most suitable for specific uses. The issue with this is that: * a zone only has one permitted use; most notably single family residents * all other uses (including denser residential structures) are prohibited * Single family residential structures are fundamentally less dense (about 1 household per acre or 2,000 people per square mile) * Public transportation requires densities of over 3,000 per square mile * Office space naturally arises near the urban core (71% located near that area), while people live increasing further away in suburban sprawl * With public transportation not viable, car-centric design is a necessity to traverse the distance between home and work * More people crunching into the same space for work creates traffic; each lane can only handle about ~1300 people at 60 MPH * With each passing year, further investment in the system created sunk-cost issues and made it harder to move away from This is why Anglosphere cities with single-use exclusionary zoning all generally have the urban core + suburban sprawl city structure and the a lack of workable public transportation. Even areas 'without zoning' typically replace it with a similar blueprint of restrictions that prevent denser architecture in all but name (e.g., Houston). Cities with non-exclusionary zoning, like those found in many European countries or Japan, did not give rise to similar issues at the same rate. With more building types permitted, cities stayed denser and public transportation continued to be viable. When car-centric planning started to become popular, it was still early enough in its infancy that widespread public opposition was often enough to move away from it, such as in the Netherlands. TL;DR: It was forbidden by law in virtually every US, Canadian, and Australian city to build anything **but** suburban sprawl, and this was true for much of the 20th century. There was literally no legal alternative, and cities naturally evolved to have infrastructure supporting what was legal.","human_ref_B":"Oh, I think I disagree with most of the folk here. I've spent some time in planning and looking at the success (or lack thereof) or medium to large transport infrastructure projects. If you can provide reasonably efficient and flexible transport options your economy thrives, particularly as a modern city moves to becoming a service-based economy. That many-to-many routes that you can only get with cars (or some theoretical super well planned PT and freight combo maybe) is what drives your economy. It has to also deal with the bumps of peak hour but mostly the road network keeps your city alive and flourishing financially during off-peak. Having said that moving more folk to better quality public transport should be number 1 priority.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13894.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io51gej","c_root_id_B":"io5kb2e","created_at_utc_A":1662999804,"created_at_utc_B":1663007212,"score_A":4,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"Let me guess, NotJustBikes? Or whatever that guy\u2019s name is that pretends to be PracticalEngineering but without any of the academic accreditation and or work experience. \u201cCar centric design\u201d has become so prevalent because roads are useful for things other than cars. There\u2019s a reason why roads have signs with posted weight and height limits, sometimes even length and width limits, and it is rare there is a car large enough to hit any of those.","human_ref_B":"Zoning. As others have mentioned, this is more of a politics question than an engineering one. But single-use zoning is the primary cause of car dependent suburbia in the US, Canada, and Australia. Before the rise of the automobile, cities were built for human-scale traffic with some exceptions for horses or trams. Since most large cities predate the automobile, this meant that cities had a dense core to build off of. Euclid, Ohio used police power to prevent industrial Cleveland from expanding into their village and transforming its character. This was justified in *Euclid v. Ambler* (1926), which coined the term 'Euclidean zoning' for local governments determining which properties or zones in towns are most suitable for specific uses. The issue with this is that: * a zone only has one permitted use; most notably single family residents * all other uses (including denser residential structures) are prohibited * Single family residential structures are fundamentally less dense (about 1 household per acre or 2,000 people per square mile) * Public transportation requires densities of over 3,000 per square mile * Office space naturally arises near the urban core (71% located near that area), while people live increasing further away in suburban sprawl * With public transportation not viable, car-centric design is a necessity to traverse the distance between home and work * More people crunching into the same space for work creates traffic; each lane can only handle about ~1300 people at 60 MPH * With each passing year, further investment in the system created sunk-cost issues and made it harder to move away from This is why Anglosphere cities with single-use exclusionary zoning all generally have the urban core + suburban sprawl city structure and the a lack of workable public transportation. Even areas 'without zoning' typically replace it with a similar blueprint of restrictions that prevent denser architecture in all but name (e.g., Houston). Cities with non-exclusionary zoning, like those found in many European countries or Japan, did not give rise to similar issues at the same rate. With more building types permitted, cities stayed denser and public transportation continued to be viable. When car-centric planning started to become popular, it was still early enough in its infancy that widespread public opposition was often enough to move away from it, such as in the Netherlands. TL;DR: It was forbidden by law in virtually every US, Canadian, and Australian city to build anything **but** suburban sprawl, and this was true for much of the 20th century. There was literally no legal alternative, and cities naturally evolved to have infrastructure supporting what was legal.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7408.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io5kb2e","c_root_id_B":"io4xl5g","created_at_utc_A":1663007212,"created_at_utc_B":1662998284,"score_A":18,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Zoning. As others have mentioned, this is more of a politics question than an engineering one. But single-use zoning is the primary cause of car dependent suburbia in the US, Canada, and Australia. Before the rise of the automobile, cities were built for human-scale traffic with some exceptions for horses or trams. Since most large cities predate the automobile, this meant that cities had a dense core to build off of. Euclid, Ohio used police power to prevent industrial Cleveland from expanding into their village and transforming its character. This was justified in *Euclid v. Ambler* (1926), which coined the term 'Euclidean zoning' for local governments determining which properties or zones in towns are most suitable for specific uses. The issue with this is that: * a zone only has one permitted use; most notably single family residents * all other uses (including denser residential structures) are prohibited * Single family residential structures are fundamentally less dense (about 1 household per acre or 2,000 people per square mile) * Public transportation requires densities of over 3,000 per square mile * Office space naturally arises near the urban core (71% located near that area), while people live increasing further away in suburban sprawl * With public transportation not viable, car-centric design is a necessity to traverse the distance between home and work * More people crunching into the same space for work creates traffic; each lane can only handle about ~1300 people at 60 MPH * With each passing year, further investment in the system created sunk-cost issues and made it harder to move away from This is why Anglosphere cities with single-use exclusionary zoning all generally have the urban core + suburban sprawl city structure and the a lack of workable public transportation. Even areas 'without zoning' typically replace it with a similar blueprint of restrictions that prevent denser architecture in all but name (e.g., Houston). Cities with non-exclusionary zoning, like those found in many European countries or Japan, did not give rise to similar issues at the same rate. With more building types permitted, cities stayed denser and public transportation continued to be viable. When car-centric planning started to become popular, it was still early enough in its infancy that widespread public opposition was often enough to move away from it, such as in the Netherlands. TL;DR: It was forbidden by law in virtually every US, Canadian, and Australian city to build anything **but** suburban sprawl, and this was true for much of the 20th century. There was literally no legal alternative, and cities naturally evolved to have infrastructure supporting what was legal.","human_ref_B":"You've already made a simple mistake, i.e., equating your personal desires and beliefs to those of society at-large. Anyways, to answer your question, yes, if you have enough money, time, and motivation, it's possible to convert urban regions into more walkable areas, but lets be realistic, support for mass transit is entirely predicated upon the region, demographics, and cultural norms of each area. For example, in most of the US, there's no-way in hell that you're getting rid of the automobile and\/or generating massive support for public transportation; whereas, in Europe and NE Asia, that's not the case, etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8928.0,"score_ratio":6.0} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io3qa3r","c_root_id_B":"io4860p","created_at_utc_A":1662975423,"created_at_utc_B":1662987334,"score_A":6,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"How does being car centric limit your 'freedom'?","human_ref_B":"Basically people wanted cheap houses in the suburbs, which don\u2019t have though density to ever realistically support transit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11911.0,"score_ratio":2.8333333333} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io464ox","c_root_id_B":"io4860p","created_at_utc_A":1662986294,"created_at_utc_B":1662987334,"score_A":6,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Your typical suburban sprawl does not have high enough population density to earn enough taxes to cover the road infrastructure it encompasses. This means suburban areas are a negative sum game. If it was up to an engineer, it wouldn't be this way.","human_ref_B":"Basically people wanted cheap houses in the suburbs, which don\u2019t have though density to ever realistically support transit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1040.0,"score_ratio":2.8333333333} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io3qa3r","c_root_id_B":"io4lihk","created_at_utc_A":1662975423,"created_at_utc_B":1662993369,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"How does being car centric limit your 'freedom'?","human_ref_B":"I see several people sidelining this kind of question as a history rather than engineering problem. I disagree: the history, politics, and ethics of civil engineering are a critical part of our practice. We must be a part of that conversation. To pretend these questions are best left to others is to resign yourself to instrumentality. This is your society too; care about why things happen, not just how they're done.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17946.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io4lihk","c_root_id_B":"io464ox","created_at_utc_A":1662993369,"created_at_utc_B":1662986294,"score_A":8,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I see several people sidelining this kind of question as a history rather than engineering problem. I disagree: the history, politics, and ethics of civil engineering are a critical part of our practice. We must be a part of that conversation. To pretend these questions are best left to others is to resign yourself to instrumentality. This is your society too; care about why things happen, not just how they're done.","human_ref_B":"Your typical suburban sprawl does not have high enough population density to earn enough taxes to cover the road infrastructure it encompasses. This means suburban areas are a negative sum game. If it was up to an engineer, it wouldn't be this way.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7075.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io4le8q","c_root_id_B":"io4lihk","created_at_utc_A":1662993318,"created_at_utc_B":1662993369,"score_A":4,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Oh, I think I disagree with most of the folk here. I've spent some time in planning and looking at the success (or lack thereof) or medium to large transport infrastructure projects. If you can provide reasonably efficient and flexible transport options your economy thrives, particularly as a modern city moves to becoming a service-based economy. That many-to-many routes that you can only get with cars (or some theoretical super well planned PT and freight combo maybe) is what drives your economy. It has to also deal with the bumps of peak hour but mostly the road network keeps your city alive and flourishing financially during off-peak. Having said that moving more folk to better quality public transport should be number 1 priority.","human_ref_B":"I see several people sidelining this kind of question as a history rather than engineering problem. I disagree: the history, politics, and ethics of civil engineering are a critical part of our practice. We must be a part of that conversation. To pretend these questions are best left to others is to resign yourself to instrumentality. This is your society too; care about why things happen, not just how they're done.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":51.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io4le8q","c_root_id_B":"io4yuc9","created_at_utc_A":1662993318,"created_at_utc_B":1662998779,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Oh, I think I disagree with most of the folk here. I've spent some time in planning and looking at the success (or lack thereof) or medium to large transport infrastructure projects. If you can provide reasonably efficient and flexible transport options your economy thrives, particularly as a modern city moves to becoming a service-based economy. That many-to-many routes that you can only get with cars (or some theoretical super well planned PT and freight combo maybe) is what drives your economy. It has to also deal with the bumps of peak hour but mostly the road network keeps your city alive and flourishing financially during off-peak. Having said that moving more folk to better quality public transport should be number 1 priority.","human_ref_B":"I think the simple reason is most European cities developed before cars were a thing. US cities developed right along with the huge uprising of cars.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5461.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io4yuc9","c_root_id_B":"io4xl5g","created_at_utc_A":1662998779,"created_at_utc_B":1662998284,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I think the simple reason is most European cities developed before cars were a thing. US cities developed right along with the huge uprising of cars.","human_ref_B":"You've already made a simple mistake, i.e., equating your personal desires and beliefs to those of society at-large. Anyways, to answer your question, yes, if you have enough money, time, and motivation, it's possible to convert urban regions into more walkable areas, but lets be realistic, support for mass transit is entirely predicated upon the region, demographics, and cultural norms of each area. For example, in most of the US, there's no-way in hell that you're getting rid of the automobile and\/or generating massive support for public transportation; whereas, in Europe and NE Asia, that's not the case, etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":495.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io4le8q","c_root_id_B":"io4udlf","created_at_utc_A":1662993318,"created_at_utc_B":1662997011,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Oh, I think I disagree with most of the folk here. I've spent some time in planning and looking at the success (or lack thereof) or medium to large transport infrastructure projects. If you can provide reasonably efficient and flexible transport options your economy thrives, particularly as a modern city moves to becoming a service-based economy. That many-to-many routes that you can only get with cars (or some theoretical super well planned PT and freight combo maybe) is what drives your economy. It has to also deal with the bumps of peak hour but mostly the road network keeps your city alive and flourishing financially during off-peak. Having said that moving more folk to better quality public transport should be number 1 priority.","human_ref_B":"There are a lot of advantages to it too.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3693.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io4le8q","c_root_id_B":"io64ay5","created_at_utc_A":1662993318,"created_at_utc_B":1663015375,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Oh, I think I disagree with most of the folk here. I've spent some time in planning and looking at the success (or lack thereof) or medium to large transport infrastructure projects. If you can provide reasonably efficient and flexible transport options your economy thrives, particularly as a modern city moves to becoming a service-based economy. That many-to-many routes that you can only get with cars (or some theoretical super well planned PT and freight combo maybe) is what drives your economy. It has to also deal with the bumps of peak hour but mostly the road network keeps your city alive and flourishing financially during off-peak. Having said that moving more folk to better quality public transport should be number 1 priority.","human_ref_B":"I highly recommend looking into an organization called \"Strong Towns\" and Chuck Marohn's work in general. He is a retired Civil Engineer\/Planner who writes all about the abomination of traffic engineering in the US. All of your questions will be answered and so much more. It was extremely eye opening to me! https:\/\/www.strongtowns.org\/","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22057.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io51gej","c_root_id_B":"io64ay5","created_at_utc_A":1662999804,"created_at_utc_B":1663015375,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Let me guess, NotJustBikes? Or whatever that guy\u2019s name is that pretends to be PracticalEngineering but without any of the academic accreditation and or work experience. \u201cCar centric design\u201d has become so prevalent because roads are useful for things other than cars. There\u2019s a reason why roads have signs with posted weight and height limits, sometimes even length and width limits, and it is rare there is a car large enough to hit any of those.","human_ref_B":"I highly recommend looking into an organization called \"Strong Towns\" and Chuck Marohn's work in general. He is a retired Civil Engineer\/Planner who writes all about the abomination of traffic engineering in the US. All of your questions will be answered and so much more. It was extremely eye opening to me! https:\/\/www.strongtowns.org\/","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15571.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io4xl5g","c_root_id_B":"io64ay5","created_at_utc_A":1662998284,"created_at_utc_B":1663015375,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"You've already made a simple mistake, i.e., equating your personal desires and beliefs to those of society at-large. Anyways, to answer your question, yes, if you have enough money, time, and motivation, it's possible to convert urban regions into more walkable areas, but lets be realistic, support for mass transit is entirely predicated upon the region, demographics, and cultural norms of each area. For example, in most of the US, there's no-way in hell that you're getting rid of the automobile and\/or generating massive support for public transportation; whereas, in Europe and NE Asia, that's not the case, etc.","human_ref_B":"I highly recommend looking into an organization called \"Strong Towns\" and Chuck Marohn's work in general. He is a retired Civil Engineer\/Planner who writes all about the abomination of traffic engineering in the US. All of your questions will be answered and so much more. It was extremely eye opening to me! https:\/\/www.strongtowns.org\/","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17091.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"xc7n52","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Just WHY has car-centric design become so prevalent in major cities, despite its disadvantages? And is it possible to transition a car-centric region to be more walkable\/ more friendly to public transport? I recently came across some analysis videos on YT highlighting everything that sucks about car-dependent urban areas. And I suddenly realized how much it has affected my life negatively. As a young person without a personal vehicle, it has put so much restrictions on my freedom. Why did such a design become so prevalent, when it causes jams on a daily basis, limits freedom of movement, increases pollution, increases stress, and so on ? Is it possible to convert such regions to more walkable areas?","c_root_id_A":"io4xl5g","c_root_id_B":"io51gej","created_at_utc_A":1662998284,"created_at_utc_B":1662999804,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You've already made a simple mistake, i.e., equating your personal desires and beliefs to those of society at-large. Anyways, to answer your question, yes, if you have enough money, time, and motivation, it's possible to convert urban regions into more walkable areas, but lets be realistic, support for mass transit is entirely predicated upon the region, demographics, and cultural norms of each area. For example, in most of the US, there's no-way in hell that you're getting rid of the automobile and\/or generating massive support for public transportation; whereas, in Europe and NE Asia, that's not the case, etc.","human_ref_B":"Let me guess, NotJustBikes? Or whatever that guy\u2019s name is that pretends to be PracticalEngineering but without any of the academic accreditation and or work experience. \u201cCar centric design\u201d has become so prevalent because roads are useful for things other than cars. There\u2019s a reason why roads have signs with posted weight and height limits, sometimes even length and width limits, and it is rare there is a car large enough to hit any of those.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1520.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4dtrlx","c_root_id_B":"g4dhhga","created_at_utc_A":1599516742,"created_at_utc_B":1599510827,"score_A":21,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"The ground wire is there to conduct fault current and trip a breaker or blow a fuse. Back in the last century (damn, I'm feeling old saying that), most appliances were 2 wire and had a metal enclosure. Think electric drill, kitchen mixer, electric heater. If a fault in the device shorted the hot wire to the case of the appliance, the only path to ground would be through you. And this happened a lot. Adding the ground wire to the case gives a path for the fault current back to the fuses or breakers and opens the circuit. So, you might ask, why didn't they just connect the neutral wire to the case of the appliance back then? Well, even though the outlet *should* be polarized, with the narrow slot hot and the wide slot neutral, there was always the danger of someone getting it backwards and making the metal case of the appliance 120 volts above ground. It also bears mentioning that two later developments pretty much solved the same problem. \"Double Insulated\" appliances put two insulating barriers between the hot conductors and the users. They generally only have two conductor plugs. Likewise, ground fault interrupters sense a difference between the current into an appliance and the current out. If the difference is more than a few milliamperes, a fault current to ground is assumed and the circuit is opened. As to why the ground and neutral are separate in a subpanel, the pedantic answer is \"because they are only tied together at one place\" and that's the main breaker box, That said, imagine they were tied together at the subpanel. Now the ground wire is carrying part of the neutral current and it's potential might be elevated a few volts above earth ground.","human_ref_B":"Neutral and ground are separate wiring but should be connected in the panel box. The ground is supposed to be connected to a rod or pipe going into the ground at your house. The neutral is part of the electrical system. The way a typical US house is wired from the final transformer in the power system outdoors is that there are three wires coming to your house: a +120 V leg, neutral, and -120 V leg. At the transformer itself the low side is actually wired for 0 to 240 V with the \"neutral\" connected in the middle which splits the 240 V into positive and negative 120 V legs. Half your house is wired neutral to one of the 120 legs and the other half of your house is on the other leg-neutral. If you have a big power appliance like a stove or dryer, that appliance is 240 V and instead of hot to ground, it's wired between the two 120 legs making 240 V. By the way, the transformer your house is connected to may serve up to 5 other houses. That means the electricity in your house is on the same exact circuit as up to 4 of your neighbors. That means you share your neutral with your neighbors. Or, if one of your neighbors has a malfunctioning appliance, they could be shorting to neutral and you could get shocked from touching it. (Or if they have a generator or solar panels or something like that, and it isn't wired correctly, when the generator kicks on it could backfeed into the system and really start messing stuff up.) The neutral leg is the return path for the current. Technically it's not at 0 V, but something small. Current is flowing electrons and current\/electron flow doesn't occur without a voltage difference. Your appliances might actually be running with 120 V on the hot leg and 0-2 V on \"neutral\". The purpose of the ground is that the case or exterior of the appliance is \"grounded\" separately from the \"neutral\". If something goes wrong in the appliance, like a wire frays and makes contact with the case, the ground is there to intercept the stray electricity by creating an easier path to ground than your body preventing you from being electrocuted. GFCI outlets (in kitchens and bathrooms) trip when the the current between the hot leg and neutral aren't balanced. That means either the ground is carrying current or someone is being shocked and current is flowing through them to the floor. A way something could go wrong is if the \"neutral\" wire fails, then the voltage on the neutral leg will start to drift somewhere in the span of 240 V. If you've ever been in a house or business and half the lights start flicking on and off and getting weird, or appliances make weird noises, what it could be is that the voltage on neutral is drifting between the 120 V legs and what the voltage is of the disconnected-neutral depends on what appliances are plugged in and connected. It turns into the 2 resistors in series problem. Edit: updated first sentence","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5915.0,"score_ratio":1.3125} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4dbvo1","c_root_id_B":"g4dtrlx","created_at_utc_A":1599508488,"created_at_utc_B":1599516742,"score_A":5,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"The angry pixies in the USA go to work on the black* bus route and go home on the other black bus route or the white bus route. If an angry pixie is found in dereliction of duty or sleeping on the job, they get sent home on the green or copper color bus route. *bus routes around here use colors. This is not racist. Edit to change \"pixie\" to \"angry pixie\"","human_ref_B":"The ground wire is there to conduct fault current and trip a breaker or blow a fuse. Back in the last century (damn, I'm feeling old saying that), most appliances were 2 wire and had a metal enclosure. Think electric drill, kitchen mixer, electric heater. If a fault in the device shorted the hot wire to the case of the appliance, the only path to ground would be through you. And this happened a lot. Adding the ground wire to the case gives a path for the fault current back to the fuses or breakers and opens the circuit. So, you might ask, why didn't they just connect the neutral wire to the case of the appliance back then? Well, even though the outlet *should* be polarized, with the narrow slot hot and the wide slot neutral, there was always the danger of someone getting it backwards and making the metal case of the appliance 120 volts above ground. It also bears mentioning that two later developments pretty much solved the same problem. \"Double Insulated\" appliances put two insulating barriers between the hot conductors and the users. They generally only have two conductor plugs. Likewise, ground fault interrupters sense a difference between the current into an appliance and the current out. If the difference is more than a few milliamperes, a fault current to ground is assumed and the circuit is opened. As to why the ground and neutral are separate in a subpanel, the pedantic answer is \"because they are only tied together at one place\" and that's the main breaker box, That said, imagine they were tied together at the subpanel. Now the ground wire is carrying part of the neutral current and it's potential might be elevated a few volts above earth ground.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8254.0,"score_ratio":4.2} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4d1r6d","c_root_id_B":"g4dtrlx","created_at_utc_A":1599504135,"created_at_utc_B":1599516742,"score_A":5,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Not only in US, its the same in all the world, the ground is conected to a metal bar in the ground, and it is NOT conected to any braker, that is because you shouldnt desactivate the protection It is used for save lifes when an electrical gadgets fails. When they fails, they drop electricity to the ground and the diferencial braker actuates. (Sorry for my bad english)","human_ref_B":"The ground wire is there to conduct fault current and trip a breaker or blow a fuse. Back in the last century (damn, I'm feeling old saying that), most appliances were 2 wire and had a metal enclosure. Think electric drill, kitchen mixer, electric heater. If a fault in the device shorted the hot wire to the case of the appliance, the only path to ground would be through you. And this happened a lot. Adding the ground wire to the case gives a path for the fault current back to the fuses or breakers and opens the circuit. So, you might ask, why didn't they just connect the neutral wire to the case of the appliance back then? Well, even though the outlet *should* be polarized, with the narrow slot hot and the wide slot neutral, there was always the danger of someone getting it backwards and making the metal case of the appliance 120 volts above ground. It also bears mentioning that two later developments pretty much solved the same problem. \"Double Insulated\" appliances put two insulating barriers between the hot conductors and the users. They generally only have two conductor plugs. Likewise, ground fault interrupters sense a difference between the current into an appliance and the current out. If the difference is more than a few milliamperes, a fault current to ground is assumed and the circuit is opened. As to why the ground and neutral are separate in a subpanel, the pedantic answer is \"because they are only tied together at one place\" and that's the main breaker box, That said, imagine they were tied together at the subpanel. Now the ground wire is carrying part of the neutral current and it's potential might be elevated a few volts above earth ground.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12607.0,"score_ratio":4.2} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4di5xd","c_root_id_B":"g4dtrlx","created_at_utc_A":1599511109,"created_at_utc_B":1599516742,"score_A":2,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"the discussion about neutral and ground being the same might be confusing. a similar case you have with your car.... the power comes from combustion, the return gasses go outsile via the exhaust. the fresh air intake into your airconditioner\/ventilation also comes from the outside. They are essetially the same, but nobody would change them over.","human_ref_B":"The ground wire is there to conduct fault current and trip a breaker or blow a fuse. Back in the last century (damn, I'm feeling old saying that), most appliances were 2 wire and had a metal enclosure. Think electric drill, kitchen mixer, electric heater. If a fault in the device shorted the hot wire to the case of the appliance, the only path to ground would be through you. And this happened a lot. Adding the ground wire to the case gives a path for the fault current back to the fuses or breakers and opens the circuit. So, you might ask, why didn't they just connect the neutral wire to the case of the appliance back then? Well, even though the outlet *should* be polarized, with the narrow slot hot and the wide slot neutral, there was always the danger of someone getting it backwards and making the metal case of the appliance 120 volts above ground. It also bears mentioning that two later developments pretty much solved the same problem. \"Double Insulated\" appliances put two insulating barriers between the hot conductors and the users. They generally only have two conductor plugs. Likewise, ground fault interrupters sense a difference between the current into an appliance and the current out. If the difference is more than a few milliamperes, a fault current to ground is assumed and the circuit is opened. As to why the ground and neutral are separate in a subpanel, the pedantic answer is \"because they are only tied together at one place\" and that's the main breaker box, That said, imagine they were tied together at the subpanel. Now the ground wire is carrying part of the neutral current and it's potential might be elevated a few volts above earth ground.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5633.0,"score_ratio":10.5} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4dhhga","c_root_id_B":"g4dbvo1","created_at_utc_A":1599510827,"created_at_utc_B":1599508488,"score_A":16,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Neutral and ground are separate wiring but should be connected in the panel box. The ground is supposed to be connected to a rod or pipe going into the ground at your house. The neutral is part of the electrical system. The way a typical US house is wired from the final transformer in the power system outdoors is that there are three wires coming to your house: a +120 V leg, neutral, and -120 V leg. At the transformer itself the low side is actually wired for 0 to 240 V with the \"neutral\" connected in the middle which splits the 240 V into positive and negative 120 V legs. Half your house is wired neutral to one of the 120 legs and the other half of your house is on the other leg-neutral. If you have a big power appliance like a stove or dryer, that appliance is 240 V and instead of hot to ground, it's wired between the two 120 legs making 240 V. By the way, the transformer your house is connected to may serve up to 5 other houses. That means the electricity in your house is on the same exact circuit as up to 4 of your neighbors. That means you share your neutral with your neighbors. Or, if one of your neighbors has a malfunctioning appliance, they could be shorting to neutral and you could get shocked from touching it. (Or if they have a generator or solar panels or something like that, and it isn't wired correctly, when the generator kicks on it could backfeed into the system and really start messing stuff up.) The neutral leg is the return path for the current. Technically it's not at 0 V, but something small. Current is flowing electrons and current\/electron flow doesn't occur without a voltage difference. Your appliances might actually be running with 120 V on the hot leg and 0-2 V on \"neutral\". The purpose of the ground is that the case or exterior of the appliance is \"grounded\" separately from the \"neutral\". If something goes wrong in the appliance, like a wire frays and makes contact with the case, the ground is there to intercept the stray electricity by creating an easier path to ground than your body preventing you from being electrocuted. GFCI outlets (in kitchens and bathrooms) trip when the the current between the hot leg and neutral aren't balanced. That means either the ground is carrying current or someone is being shocked and current is flowing through them to the floor. A way something could go wrong is if the \"neutral\" wire fails, then the voltage on the neutral leg will start to drift somewhere in the span of 240 V. If you've ever been in a house or business and half the lights start flicking on and off and getting weird, or appliances make weird noises, what it could be is that the voltage on neutral is drifting between the 120 V legs and what the voltage is of the disconnected-neutral depends on what appliances are plugged in and connected. It turns into the 2 resistors in series problem. Edit: updated first sentence","human_ref_B":"The angry pixies in the USA go to work on the black* bus route and go home on the other black bus route or the white bus route. If an angry pixie is found in dereliction of duty or sleeping on the job, they get sent home on the green or copper color bus route. *bus routes around here use colors. This is not racist. Edit to change \"pixie\" to \"angry pixie\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2339.0,"score_ratio":3.2} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4dhhga","c_root_id_B":"g4d1r6d","created_at_utc_A":1599510827,"created_at_utc_B":1599504135,"score_A":16,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Neutral and ground are separate wiring but should be connected in the panel box. The ground is supposed to be connected to a rod or pipe going into the ground at your house. The neutral is part of the electrical system. The way a typical US house is wired from the final transformer in the power system outdoors is that there are three wires coming to your house: a +120 V leg, neutral, and -120 V leg. At the transformer itself the low side is actually wired for 0 to 240 V with the \"neutral\" connected in the middle which splits the 240 V into positive and negative 120 V legs. Half your house is wired neutral to one of the 120 legs and the other half of your house is on the other leg-neutral. If you have a big power appliance like a stove or dryer, that appliance is 240 V and instead of hot to ground, it's wired between the two 120 legs making 240 V. By the way, the transformer your house is connected to may serve up to 5 other houses. That means the electricity in your house is on the same exact circuit as up to 4 of your neighbors. That means you share your neutral with your neighbors. Or, if one of your neighbors has a malfunctioning appliance, they could be shorting to neutral and you could get shocked from touching it. (Or if they have a generator or solar panels or something like that, and it isn't wired correctly, when the generator kicks on it could backfeed into the system and really start messing stuff up.) The neutral leg is the return path for the current. Technically it's not at 0 V, but something small. Current is flowing electrons and current\/electron flow doesn't occur without a voltage difference. Your appliances might actually be running with 120 V on the hot leg and 0-2 V on \"neutral\". The purpose of the ground is that the case or exterior of the appliance is \"grounded\" separately from the \"neutral\". If something goes wrong in the appliance, like a wire frays and makes contact with the case, the ground is there to intercept the stray electricity by creating an easier path to ground than your body preventing you from being electrocuted. GFCI outlets (in kitchens and bathrooms) trip when the the current between the hot leg and neutral aren't balanced. That means either the ground is carrying current or someone is being shocked and current is flowing through them to the floor. A way something could go wrong is if the \"neutral\" wire fails, then the voltage on the neutral leg will start to drift somewhere in the span of 240 V. If you've ever been in a house or business and half the lights start flicking on and off and getting weird, or appliances make weird noises, what it could be is that the voltage on neutral is drifting between the 120 V legs and what the voltage is of the disconnected-neutral depends on what appliances are plugged in and connected. It turns into the 2 resistors in series problem. Edit: updated first sentence","human_ref_B":"Not only in US, its the same in all the world, the ground is conected to a metal bar in the ground, and it is NOT conected to any braker, that is because you shouldnt desactivate the protection It is used for save lifes when an electrical gadgets fails. When they fails, they drop electricity to the ground and the diferencial braker actuates. (Sorry for my bad english)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6692.0,"score_ratio":3.2} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4di5xd","c_root_id_B":"g4dyi2w","created_at_utc_A":1599511109,"created_at_utc_B":1599519562,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"the discussion about neutral and ground being the same might be confusing. a similar case you have with your car.... the power comes from combustion, the return gasses go outsile via the exhaust. the fresh air intake into your airconditioner\/ventilation also comes from the outside. They are essetially the same, but nobody would change them over.","human_ref_B":"I'm a mechanical engineer but I think I understand why. Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong. Current flowing through household loads can flow back to the transformer through one of two pipes, neutral or ground. Neutral is the pipe that normally carries flowing current, and this is reflected in its design. Ground is a pipe that should only really carry current in a fault condition. Its purpose is to provide electricity a route with low resistance to again complete the circuit, just like neutral, however only in a fault condition. Importantly it is normally in open circuit with Live in household appliances. If an appliance has a metallic case e.g. many household goods, there may be a failure which results in the Live being in continuity with the case. If this happens and the case is not grounded, it would end up at line voltage without anyone knowing. If instead the metal case was connected to ground, the resulting large current short circuit will either blow a fuse at the distribution board, or the differing currents flowing through live and neutral will trip the RCD. The case will have been live for mere seconds, saving someone from a shock. Of course there's more to it than that, but I hope this gives you the gist.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8453.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4di5xd","c_root_id_B":"g4ek0l3","created_at_utc_A":1599511109,"created_at_utc_B":1599532221,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"the discussion about neutral and ground being the same might be confusing. a similar case you have with your car.... the power comes from combustion, the return gasses go outsile via the exhaust. the fresh air intake into your airconditioner\/ventilation also comes from the outside. They are essetially the same, but nobody would change them over.","human_ref_B":"The ground wire is designed as a safety feature for electrical appliances and the electrical system in your house. I'll use a specific example to explain the concept. Imagine I have a toaster. In normal use, the current flows from the live wire, through the heating coils, and completes the circuit through the neutral wire. This is great, until I go fishing for a stuck toaster strudel with a metal knife. If I accidentally turn on the toaster and connect the knife to the coils, I've created an alternative circuit through myself and into the ground, or the countertop, or whatever else. Because the neutral wire is carrying current from other appliances, like my lights or my coffee pot, it might have a higher resistance than I do. If it does, the electricity will flow through the path of least resistance (me), and I'll be electrocuted. The ground wire is there to prevent something like that from happening. It doesn't carry any current, and it's pure copper, so it has less resistance than I do and the current will flow through it instead. The reason it's connected with the neutral is so that it makes a complete circuit. If it just went into the ground, the dirt it's in could be more resistant than me and I'd be electrocuted anyway. The reason it can't be connected to the neutral anywhere but the main box is twofold. First, if it's connected as though it were the neutral, it could have more resistance, like the neutral wire does, and not keep me from being shocked. Second, if it's connected elsewhere, it could itself be carrying current. Then it's not really a ground anymore, and you could get shocked just from contacting it. This is, of course, an imperfect example. If you're fully connected to a 120v main, you're probably going to be shocked even with a grounded circuit, because there's plenty of current to go around. If you stick a knife in a plugged in toaster, ground or not, you'll probably die, and definitely deserve it. The ground is really for less extreme examples, like if a live wire frays inside an appliance and connects to the metal case. Without a ground, touching the case could cause you to get shocked. Modern appliances are grounded at the case, so if the wire frayed it would connect directly back to the mains and trip the circuit breaker.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21112.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4e1usw","c_root_id_B":"g4ek0l3","created_at_utc_A":1599521569,"created_at_utc_B":1599532221,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The short version is that \"ground\" should be the same voltage potential as the home and everything in it, whereas \"neutral\" is intended to provide a return path for current supplied by the hot wire. This means that ground is used for safety purposes (ensuring that none of your appliances' cases are energized, etc.), electrostatic discharge protection, and a stable reference point for all other voltage measurements; neutral, on the other hand, typically has at least some electricity flowing through it whenever the hot wire is in use, and will consequently have both a voltage potential and current flow present. Additionally, GFCI circuits work by comparing the amount of current flowing from the hot wire with the amount flowing back into the neutral wire with the ground as a stable voltage reference point; if you wire an appliance between hot and ground instead of hot and neutral, the GFCI will interpret this as a fault and trip.","human_ref_B":"The ground wire is designed as a safety feature for electrical appliances and the electrical system in your house. I'll use a specific example to explain the concept. Imagine I have a toaster. In normal use, the current flows from the live wire, through the heating coils, and completes the circuit through the neutral wire. This is great, until I go fishing for a stuck toaster strudel with a metal knife. If I accidentally turn on the toaster and connect the knife to the coils, I've created an alternative circuit through myself and into the ground, or the countertop, or whatever else. Because the neutral wire is carrying current from other appliances, like my lights or my coffee pot, it might have a higher resistance than I do. If it does, the electricity will flow through the path of least resistance (me), and I'll be electrocuted. The ground wire is there to prevent something like that from happening. It doesn't carry any current, and it's pure copper, so it has less resistance than I do and the current will flow through it instead. The reason it's connected with the neutral is so that it makes a complete circuit. If it just went into the ground, the dirt it's in could be more resistant than me and I'd be electrocuted anyway. The reason it can't be connected to the neutral anywhere but the main box is twofold. First, if it's connected as though it were the neutral, it could have more resistance, like the neutral wire does, and not keep me from being shocked. Second, if it's connected elsewhere, it could itself be carrying current. Then it's not really a ground anymore, and you could get shocked just from contacting it. This is, of course, an imperfect example. If you're fully connected to a 120v main, you're probably going to be shocked even with a grounded circuit, because there's plenty of current to go around. If you stick a knife in a plugged in toaster, ground or not, you'll probably die, and definitely deserve it. The ground is really for less extreme examples, like if a live wire frays inside an appliance and connects to the metal case. Without a ground, touching the case could cause you to get shocked. Modern appliances are grounded at the case, so if the wire frayed it would connect directly back to the mains and trip the circuit breaker.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10652.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4e7dff","c_root_id_B":"g4ek0l3","created_at_utc_A":1599524586,"created_at_utc_B":1599532221,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You've received a lot of good advice on safety and how the ground shouldn't be used for normal operation to conduct current. I'll give you a technical reason too that crops up rarely: some devices are designed to inject a communication signal onto the AC 50\/60Hz wave. An example is an internet range extender where you can basically connect an ethernet cable from your modem through a conversion device that passes the signal into your house wiring, then you can pull the signal back out at another location using another converter to plug ethernet into your computer or a wifi router. This way you can get high-speed ethernet-esque connection quality anywhere you have an outlet without having to run CAT5\/6 cables everywhere. This system won't work properly if neutral and ground are mixed up at a few outlets around your house. Similarly, there are some systems that can turn your house wiring into AM\/FM broadcasters so that you can pick up a radio signal whenever you're within a few feet of a wire in the wall. IIRC, these also won't work if ground and neutral are connected elsewhere besides the junction box.","human_ref_B":"The ground wire is designed as a safety feature for electrical appliances and the electrical system in your house. I'll use a specific example to explain the concept. Imagine I have a toaster. In normal use, the current flows from the live wire, through the heating coils, and completes the circuit through the neutral wire. This is great, until I go fishing for a stuck toaster strudel with a metal knife. If I accidentally turn on the toaster and connect the knife to the coils, I've created an alternative circuit through myself and into the ground, or the countertop, or whatever else. Because the neutral wire is carrying current from other appliances, like my lights or my coffee pot, it might have a higher resistance than I do. If it does, the electricity will flow through the path of least resistance (me), and I'll be electrocuted. The ground wire is there to prevent something like that from happening. It doesn't carry any current, and it's pure copper, so it has less resistance than I do and the current will flow through it instead. The reason it's connected with the neutral is so that it makes a complete circuit. If it just went into the ground, the dirt it's in could be more resistant than me and I'd be electrocuted anyway. The reason it can't be connected to the neutral anywhere but the main box is twofold. First, if it's connected as though it were the neutral, it could have more resistance, like the neutral wire does, and not keep me from being shocked. Second, if it's connected elsewhere, it could itself be carrying current. Then it's not really a ground anymore, and you could get shocked just from contacting it. This is, of course, an imperfect example. If you're fully connected to a 120v main, you're probably going to be shocked even with a grounded circuit, because there's plenty of current to go around. If you stick a knife in a plugged in toaster, ground or not, you'll probably die, and definitely deserve it. The ground is really for less extreme examples, like if a live wire frays inside an appliance and connects to the metal case. Without a ground, touching the case could cause you to get shocked. Modern appliances are grounded at the case, so if the wire frayed it would connect directly back to the mains and trip the circuit breaker.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7635.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4ek0l3","c_root_id_B":"g4ealep","created_at_utc_A":1599532221,"created_at_utc_B":1599526527,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"The ground wire is designed as a safety feature for electrical appliances and the electrical system in your house. I'll use a specific example to explain the concept. Imagine I have a toaster. In normal use, the current flows from the live wire, through the heating coils, and completes the circuit through the neutral wire. This is great, until I go fishing for a stuck toaster strudel with a metal knife. If I accidentally turn on the toaster and connect the knife to the coils, I've created an alternative circuit through myself and into the ground, or the countertop, or whatever else. Because the neutral wire is carrying current from other appliances, like my lights or my coffee pot, it might have a higher resistance than I do. If it does, the electricity will flow through the path of least resistance (me), and I'll be electrocuted. The ground wire is there to prevent something like that from happening. It doesn't carry any current, and it's pure copper, so it has less resistance than I do and the current will flow through it instead. The reason it's connected with the neutral is so that it makes a complete circuit. If it just went into the ground, the dirt it's in could be more resistant than me and I'd be electrocuted anyway. The reason it can't be connected to the neutral anywhere but the main box is twofold. First, if it's connected as though it were the neutral, it could have more resistance, like the neutral wire does, and not keep me from being shocked. Second, if it's connected elsewhere, it could itself be carrying current. Then it's not really a ground anymore, and you could get shocked just from contacting it. This is, of course, an imperfect example. If you're fully connected to a 120v main, you're probably going to be shocked even with a grounded circuit, because there's plenty of current to go around. If you stick a knife in a plugged in toaster, ground or not, you'll probably die, and definitely deserve it. The ground is really for less extreme examples, like if a live wire frays inside an appliance and connects to the metal case. Without a ground, touching the case could cause you to get shocked. Modern appliances are grounded at the case, so if the wire frayed it would connect directly back to the mains and trip the circuit breaker.","human_ref_B":"Am mechanical engineer. So bear with my explanation.. If your netural wire to the property is broken the voltages on each leg will go wonky because they have lost their reference from the substation. To the house you have two voltage legs. Both are on the same single phase 220 volts (or 230 or 240 depending lon location) . But this 220 volt is split in two by the neutral wire to make two legs of 110volts each. Normal 110V appliances can use any of these two legs with the netural wire. The ground wire is also connected to the neutral wire to ground (edit: only at main panel as said by others) but does not go back on the light post. The neutral makes sure each leg has a reference to \"half way\" all the time. If this neutral line is dirty.. The voltage to one leg might swing to 150 Volts and simultaneously the other leg drops to say 80 volts becuase the reference to midway of 220V is not good. 220V appliances use the both legs of the 220V line and thus dont need to know the \"mid-way point \" to find 110V. The ground wire now... Is return current to power station.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5694.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4di5xd","c_root_id_B":"g4elrwp","created_at_utc_A":1599511109,"created_at_utc_B":1599533301,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"the discussion about neutral and ground being the same might be confusing. a similar case you have with your car.... the power comes from combustion, the return gasses go outsile via the exhaust. the fresh air intake into your airconditioner\/ventilation also comes from the outside. They are essetially the same, but nobody would change them over.","human_ref_B":"I worked at a utility and can help with this some. The ground wire and the neutral theoretically should have the same voltage (0V). This is achieved by bonding them together once; having multiple bonds introduces issues circulating currents to the system and can provide all sorts of issues. The neutral is intended as a regular current carrying conductor that provides a reference for the \u201chot\u201d wire so you have a potential difference available for use. The ground is able to carry current since it\u2019s basically just wire, but it\u2019s intention is to bleed a fault to ground. Hope this helps.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22192.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4elrwp","c_root_id_B":"g4e1usw","created_at_utc_A":1599533301,"created_at_utc_B":1599521569,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I worked at a utility and can help with this some. The ground wire and the neutral theoretically should have the same voltage (0V). This is achieved by bonding them together once; having multiple bonds introduces issues circulating currents to the system and can provide all sorts of issues. The neutral is intended as a regular current carrying conductor that provides a reference for the \u201chot\u201d wire so you have a potential difference available for use. The ground is able to carry current since it\u2019s basically just wire, but it\u2019s intention is to bleed a fault to ground. Hope this helps.","human_ref_B":"The short version is that \"ground\" should be the same voltage potential as the home and everything in it, whereas \"neutral\" is intended to provide a return path for current supplied by the hot wire. This means that ground is used for safety purposes (ensuring that none of your appliances' cases are energized, etc.), electrostatic discharge protection, and a stable reference point for all other voltage measurements; neutral, on the other hand, typically has at least some electricity flowing through it whenever the hot wire is in use, and will consequently have both a voltage potential and current flow present. Additionally, GFCI circuits work by comparing the amount of current flowing from the hot wire with the amount flowing back into the neutral wire with the ground as a stable voltage reference point; if you wire an appliance between hot and ground instead of hot and neutral, the GFCI will interpret this as a fault and trip.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11732.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4e7dff","c_root_id_B":"g4elrwp","created_at_utc_A":1599524586,"created_at_utc_B":1599533301,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You've received a lot of good advice on safety and how the ground shouldn't be used for normal operation to conduct current. I'll give you a technical reason too that crops up rarely: some devices are designed to inject a communication signal onto the AC 50\/60Hz wave. An example is an internet range extender where you can basically connect an ethernet cable from your modem through a conversion device that passes the signal into your house wiring, then you can pull the signal back out at another location using another converter to plug ethernet into your computer or a wifi router. This way you can get high-speed ethernet-esque connection quality anywhere you have an outlet without having to run CAT5\/6 cables everywhere. This system won't work properly if neutral and ground are mixed up at a few outlets around your house. Similarly, there are some systems that can turn your house wiring into AM\/FM broadcasters so that you can pick up a radio signal whenever you're within a few feet of a wire in the wall. IIRC, these also won't work if ground and neutral are connected elsewhere besides the junction box.","human_ref_B":"I worked at a utility and can help with this some. The ground wire and the neutral theoretically should have the same voltage (0V). This is achieved by bonding them together once; having multiple bonds introduces issues circulating currents to the system and can provide all sorts of issues. The neutral is intended as a regular current carrying conductor that provides a reference for the \u201chot\u201d wire so you have a potential difference available for use. The ground is able to carry current since it\u2019s basically just wire, but it\u2019s intention is to bleed a fault to ground. Hope this helps.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8715.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4ealep","c_root_id_B":"g4elrwp","created_at_utc_A":1599526527,"created_at_utc_B":1599533301,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Am mechanical engineer. So bear with my explanation.. If your netural wire to the property is broken the voltages on each leg will go wonky because they have lost their reference from the substation. To the house you have two voltage legs. Both are on the same single phase 220 volts (or 230 or 240 depending lon location) . But this 220 volt is split in two by the neutral wire to make two legs of 110volts each. Normal 110V appliances can use any of these two legs with the netural wire. The ground wire is also connected to the neutral wire to ground (edit: only at main panel as said by others) but does not go back on the light post. The neutral makes sure each leg has a reference to \"half way\" all the time. If this neutral line is dirty.. The voltage to one leg might swing to 150 Volts and simultaneously the other leg drops to say 80 volts becuase the reference to midway of 220V is not good. 220V appliances use the both legs of the 220V line and thus dont need to know the \"mid-way point \" to find 110V. The ground wire now... Is return current to power station.","human_ref_B":"I worked at a utility and can help with this some. The ground wire and the neutral theoretically should have the same voltage (0V). This is achieved by bonding them together once; having multiple bonds introduces issues circulating currents to the system and can provide all sorts of issues. The neutral is intended as a regular current carrying conductor that provides a reference for the \u201chot\u201d wire so you have a potential difference available for use. The ground is able to carry current since it\u2019s basically just wire, but it\u2019s intention is to bleed a fault to ground. Hope this helps.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6774.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4en4tg","c_root_id_B":"g4di5xd","created_at_utc_A":1599534158,"created_at_utc_B":1599511109,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"https:\/\/youtu.be\/jMmUoZh3Hq4 Great basic explanation of weird home power things.","human_ref_B":"the discussion about neutral and ground being the same might be confusing. a similar case you have with your car.... the power comes from combustion, the return gasses go outsile via the exhaust. the fresh air intake into your airconditioner\/ventilation also comes from the outside. They are essetially the same, but nobody would change them over.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23049.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4e1usw","c_root_id_B":"g4en4tg","created_at_utc_A":1599521569,"created_at_utc_B":1599534158,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The short version is that \"ground\" should be the same voltage potential as the home and everything in it, whereas \"neutral\" is intended to provide a return path for current supplied by the hot wire. This means that ground is used for safety purposes (ensuring that none of your appliances' cases are energized, etc.), electrostatic discharge protection, and a stable reference point for all other voltage measurements; neutral, on the other hand, typically has at least some electricity flowing through it whenever the hot wire is in use, and will consequently have both a voltage potential and current flow present. Additionally, GFCI circuits work by comparing the amount of current flowing from the hot wire with the amount flowing back into the neutral wire with the ground as a stable voltage reference point; if you wire an appliance between hot and ground instead of hot and neutral, the GFCI will interpret this as a fault and trip.","human_ref_B":"https:\/\/youtu.be\/jMmUoZh3Hq4 Great basic explanation of weird home power things.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12589.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4en4tg","c_root_id_B":"g4e7dff","created_at_utc_A":1599534158,"created_at_utc_B":1599524586,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"https:\/\/youtu.be\/jMmUoZh3Hq4 Great basic explanation of weird home power things.","human_ref_B":"You've received a lot of good advice on safety and how the ground shouldn't be used for normal operation to conduct current. I'll give you a technical reason too that crops up rarely: some devices are designed to inject a communication signal onto the AC 50\/60Hz wave. An example is an internet range extender where you can basically connect an ethernet cable from your modem through a conversion device that passes the signal into your house wiring, then you can pull the signal back out at another location using another converter to plug ethernet into your computer or a wifi router. This way you can get high-speed ethernet-esque connection quality anywhere you have an outlet without having to run CAT5\/6 cables everywhere. This system won't work properly if neutral and ground are mixed up at a few outlets around your house. Similarly, there are some systems that can turn your house wiring into AM\/FM broadcasters so that you can pick up a radio signal whenever you're within a few feet of a wire in the wall. IIRC, these also won't work if ground and neutral are connected elsewhere besides the junction box.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9572.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"iocpbl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"In US home electrical systems, what is the difference between neutral and ground, or more specifically, WHY is there a difference, since they're actually connected at the breaker? I've had to fix incorrectly wired outlets that had neutral and ground mixed up, or even substituting each other. I always thought this was a big problem because they are different wires with different purposes... Yet as I'm learning about the main breaker box, I discover that neutral and ground are *CONNECTED*! This blew my mind. If they're connected, then doesn't that make them electrically identical? Aren't they just two grounds? The answer to this, obviously, must be that they are different, or else we wouldn't pay for the extra cable. So what *is* the difference? How can they be different seeing as they're connected? Lastly, since they're connected at the breaker box, would it be bad if there was a short-circuit (or even an intentional wiring) that also connected them in other places, e.g. near the outlet? Edit: why do sub-panels need to have the neutral separated from ground?","c_root_id_A":"g4en4tg","c_root_id_B":"g4ealep","created_at_utc_A":1599534158,"created_at_utc_B":1599526527,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"https:\/\/youtu.be\/jMmUoZh3Hq4 Great basic explanation of weird home power things.","human_ref_B":"Am mechanical engineer. So bear with my explanation.. If your netural wire to the property is broken the voltages on each leg will go wonky because they have lost their reference from the substation. To the house you have two voltage legs. Both are on the same single phase 220 volts (or 230 or 240 depending lon location) . But this 220 volt is split in two by the neutral wire to make two legs of 110volts each. Normal 110V appliances can use any of these two legs with the netural wire. The ground wire is also connected to the neutral wire to ground (edit: only at main panel as said by others) but does not go back on the light post. The neutral makes sure each leg has a reference to \"half way\" all the time. If this neutral line is dirty.. The voltage to one leg might swing to 150 Volts and simultaneously the other leg drops to say 80 volts becuase the reference to midway of 220V is not good. 220V appliances use the both legs of the 220V line and thus dont need to know the \"mid-way point \" to find 110V. The ground wire now... Is return current to power station.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7631.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhfdzs3","c_root_id_B":"hhfrouh","created_at_utc_A":1634773078,"created_at_utc_B":1634779365,"score_A":245,"score_B":280,"human_ref_A":"A lack of creativity, inability to communicate effectively, unwillingness to compromise or change direction, can\u2019t distinguish between the important and the trivial, doesn\u2019t follow through on tasks, doesn\u2019t ask for help, doesn\u2019t take initiative.","human_ref_B":"They are someone who is just smart enough and motivated enough to be able to use the softwares, and make the drawings, and complete tasks up to the minimum requirements... but they really have no idea what they are doing in the abstract sense. They don't actually understand the concepts on a fundamental level, and therefore they will often submit results that make no sense or use bad assumptions or what have you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6287.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhfexsc","c_root_id_B":"hhfrouh","created_at_utc_A":1634773519,"created_at_utc_B":1634779365,"score_A":81,"score_B":280,"human_ref_A":"General lack of drive. I\u2019ll take engineer who is half as smart but twice as hardworking then the opposite any day of the week. One guy I worked with was extremely smart, but he\u2026 never\u2026 did\u2026 anything. He eventually quit because he felt he was never recognized for his \u201cbrilliance\u201d, I asked him what his genius had accomplished. He listed off academic credentials, PE, etc\u2026. No patents, no large scale projects, nothing of any material value.","human_ref_B":"They are someone who is just smart enough and motivated enough to be able to use the softwares, and make the drawings, and complete tasks up to the minimum requirements... but they really have no idea what they are doing in the abstract sense. They don't actually understand the concepts on a fundamental level, and therefore they will often submit results that make no sense or use bad assumptions or what have you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5846.0,"score_ratio":3.4567901235} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhfrouh","c_root_id_B":"hhfeh3j","created_at_utc_A":1634779365,"created_at_utc_B":1634773300,"score_A":280,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"They are someone who is just smart enough and motivated enough to be able to use the softwares, and make the drawings, and complete tasks up to the minimum requirements... but they really have no idea what they are doing in the abstract sense. They don't actually understand the concepts on a fundamental level, and therefore they will often submit results that make no sense or use bad assumptions or what have you.","human_ref_B":"Any and all of the above. It depends. I\u2019ve known intellectually brilliant engineers that were horrible at their jobs. Lack of professionalism, close minded, generally assholes. I have no need for them, I don\u2019t care how brilliant. Now, a brilliant arrogant engineer, I\u2019ll take every day. The arrogant ones are trainable. They learn quickly that there is better cooperation if you\u2019re \u201cnice\u201d. And I\u2019m smart, do the brilliants tolerate me, they know I\u2019m a means to an end, and I\u2019m good with that. And then there are the stupid incompetent. They don\u2019t know, they don\u2019t understand and they don\u2019t know they cannot understand. Sad, but they are there.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6065.0,"score_ratio":13.3333333333} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhfrouh","c_root_id_B":"hhfh0u9","created_at_utc_A":1634779365,"created_at_utc_B":1634774493,"score_A":280,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"They are someone who is just smart enough and motivated enough to be able to use the softwares, and make the drawings, and complete tasks up to the minimum requirements... but they really have no idea what they are doing in the abstract sense. They don't actually understand the concepts on a fundamental level, and therefore they will often submit results that make no sense or use bad assumptions or what have you.","human_ref_B":"Lack of self awareness is one. \"I put in a lot of overtime, and I feel like no one cares\" You've put in 60 hours of overtime this year, and we had to get others to cover for you. \"Why is x getting promoted ahead of me? We have the same experience\" You graduated the same year, and they used to do a related trade, you don't have the same experience \"I can't stand when people do [the thing that I do more than anyone]\" The lack of awareness isn't the problem, but it limits self assessment and growth and really hinders careers","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4872.0,"score_ratio":13.3333333333} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhfh637","c_root_id_B":"hhfrouh","created_at_utc_A":1634774560,"created_at_utc_B":1634779365,"score_A":19,"score_B":280,"human_ref_A":"Lack of desire to learn anything new. And any engineer who says, \"that's not my job\". A good engineer says, \"I don't know, but I'll figure it out\".","human_ref_B":"They are someone who is just smart enough and motivated enough to be able to use the softwares, and make the drawings, and complete tasks up to the minimum requirements... but they really have no idea what they are doing in the abstract sense. They don't actually understand the concepts on a fundamental level, and therefore they will often submit results that make no sense or use bad assumptions or what have you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4805.0,"score_ratio":14.7368421053} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhfr876","c_root_id_B":"hhfrouh","created_at_utc_A":1634779151,"created_at_utc_B":1634779365,"score_A":13,"score_B":280,"human_ref_A":"Not taking responsibility for mistakes\/blaming others, repeatedly asking the same questions due to lack of taking notes, not doing any due diligence when designing, not taking 3 seconds to think about a problem before asking someone for the answer are just a few I come across in a daily basis with my newer folks.","human_ref_B":"They are someone who is just smart enough and motivated enough to be able to use the softwares, and make the drawings, and complete tasks up to the minimum requirements... but they really have no idea what they are doing in the abstract sense. They don't actually understand the concepts on a fundamental level, and therefore they will often submit results that make no sense or use bad assumptions or what have you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":214.0,"score_ratio":21.5384615385} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhfexsc","c_root_id_B":"hhfeh3j","created_at_utc_A":1634773519,"created_at_utc_B":1634773300,"score_A":81,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"General lack of drive. I\u2019ll take engineer who is half as smart but twice as hardworking then the opposite any day of the week. One guy I worked with was extremely smart, but he\u2026 never\u2026 did\u2026 anything. He eventually quit because he felt he was never recognized for his \u201cbrilliance\u201d, I asked him what his genius had accomplished. He listed off academic credentials, PE, etc\u2026. No patents, no large scale projects, nothing of any material value.","human_ref_B":"Any and all of the above. It depends. I\u2019ve known intellectually brilliant engineers that were horrible at their jobs. Lack of professionalism, close minded, generally assholes. I have no need for them, I don\u2019t care how brilliant. Now, a brilliant arrogant engineer, I\u2019ll take every day. The arrogant ones are trainable. They learn quickly that there is better cooperation if you\u2019re \u201cnice\u201d. And I\u2019m smart, do the brilliants tolerate me, they know I\u2019m a means to an end, and I\u2019m good with that. And then there are the stupid incompetent. They don\u2019t know, they don\u2019t understand and they don\u2019t know they cannot understand. Sad, but they are there.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":219.0,"score_ratio":3.8571428571} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhg33qb","c_root_id_B":"hhfeh3j","created_at_utc_A":1634784730,"created_at_utc_B":1634773300,"score_A":76,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"As a licensed engineer reading this thread, I can\u2019t help but wonder if desire for a coworker to be like-able\/amiable is prioritized a bit too much. There are many standoffish\/introverted people who make great engineers and collaborators. There is an ocean of sociable engineers who use persuasion and likability as a means to doing the bare minimum, hiding mistakes, or other core deficits acknowledged here already. In other words OP - this is a great question but definitely keep in mind personality bias\u2019s inherent to office\/corporate cultures.","human_ref_B":"Any and all of the above. It depends. I\u2019ve known intellectually brilliant engineers that were horrible at their jobs. Lack of professionalism, close minded, generally assholes. I have no need for them, I don\u2019t care how brilliant. Now, a brilliant arrogant engineer, I\u2019ll take every day. The arrogant ones are trainable. They learn quickly that there is better cooperation if you\u2019re \u201cnice\u201d. And I\u2019m smart, do the brilliants tolerate me, they know I\u2019m a means to an end, and I\u2019m good with that. And then there are the stupid incompetent. They don\u2019t know, they don\u2019t understand and they don\u2019t know they cannot understand. Sad, but they are there.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11430.0,"score_ratio":3.619047619} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhfh0u9","c_root_id_B":"hhg33qb","created_at_utc_A":1634774493,"created_at_utc_B":1634784730,"score_A":21,"score_B":76,"human_ref_A":"Lack of self awareness is one. \"I put in a lot of overtime, and I feel like no one cares\" You've put in 60 hours of overtime this year, and we had to get others to cover for you. \"Why is x getting promoted ahead of me? We have the same experience\" You graduated the same year, and they used to do a related trade, you don't have the same experience \"I can't stand when people do [the thing that I do more than anyone]\" The lack of awareness isn't the problem, but it limits self assessment and growth and really hinders careers","human_ref_B":"As a licensed engineer reading this thread, I can\u2019t help but wonder if desire for a coworker to be like-able\/amiable is prioritized a bit too much. There are many standoffish\/introverted people who make great engineers and collaborators. There is an ocean of sociable engineers who use persuasion and likability as a means to doing the bare minimum, hiding mistakes, or other core deficits acknowledged here already. In other words OP - this is a great question but definitely keep in mind personality bias\u2019s inherent to office\/corporate cultures.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10237.0,"score_ratio":3.619047619} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhg33qb","c_root_id_B":"hhfh637","created_at_utc_A":1634784730,"created_at_utc_B":1634774560,"score_A":76,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"As a licensed engineer reading this thread, I can\u2019t help but wonder if desire for a coworker to be like-able\/amiable is prioritized a bit too much. There are many standoffish\/introverted people who make great engineers and collaborators. There is an ocean of sociable engineers who use persuasion and likability as a means to doing the bare minimum, hiding mistakes, or other core deficits acknowledged here already. In other words OP - this is a great question but definitely keep in mind personality bias\u2019s inherent to office\/corporate cultures.","human_ref_B":"Lack of desire to learn anything new. And any engineer who says, \"that's not my job\". A good engineer says, \"I don't know, but I'll figure it out\".","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10170.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhg33qb","c_root_id_B":"hhfxrls","created_at_utc_A":1634784730,"created_at_utc_B":1634782182,"score_A":76,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"As a licensed engineer reading this thread, I can\u2019t help but wonder if desire for a coworker to be like-able\/amiable is prioritized a bit too much. There are many standoffish\/introverted people who make great engineers and collaborators. There is an ocean of sociable engineers who use persuasion and likability as a means to doing the bare minimum, hiding mistakes, or other core deficits acknowledged here already. In other words OP - this is a great question but definitely keep in mind personality bias\u2019s inherent to office\/corporate cultures.","human_ref_B":"Refuses to learn anything new. Will not spend the time to get it right forcing everyone around them to guess what they they really want.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2548.0,"score_ratio":5.0666666667} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhg33qb","c_root_id_B":"hhfr876","created_at_utc_A":1634784730,"created_at_utc_B":1634779151,"score_A":76,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"As a licensed engineer reading this thread, I can\u2019t help but wonder if desire for a coworker to be like-able\/amiable is prioritized a bit too much. There are many standoffish\/introverted people who make great engineers and collaborators. There is an ocean of sociable engineers who use persuasion and likability as a means to doing the bare minimum, hiding mistakes, or other core deficits acknowledged here already. In other words OP - this is a great question but definitely keep in mind personality bias\u2019s inherent to office\/corporate cultures.","human_ref_B":"Not taking responsibility for mistakes\/blaming others, repeatedly asking the same questions due to lack of taking notes, not doing any due diligence when designing, not taking 3 seconds to think about a problem before asking someone for the answer are just a few I come across in a daily basis with my newer folks.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5579.0,"score_ratio":5.8461538462} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhfeh3j","c_root_id_B":"hhg9d1f","created_at_utc_A":1634773300,"created_at_utc_B":1634787984,"score_A":21,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Any and all of the above. It depends. I\u2019ve known intellectually brilliant engineers that were horrible at their jobs. Lack of professionalism, close minded, generally assholes. I have no need for them, I don\u2019t care how brilliant. Now, a brilliant arrogant engineer, I\u2019ll take every day. The arrogant ones are trainable. They learn quickly that there is better cooperation if you\u2019re \u201cnice\u201d. And I\u2019m smart, do the brilliants tolerate me, they know I\u2019m a means to an end, and I\u2019m good with that. And then there are the stupid incompetent. They don\u2019t know, they don\u2019t understand and they don\u2019t know they cannot understand. Sad, but they are there.","human_ref_B":"The ability to solve 100% of a problem, instead of tasks that a lead hand-crafts for you. The engineers that excel at any level of experience are the ones that can take responsibility for the entirety of a problem and figure it out, and provide a complete solution for \"the business\". Small problems for people earlier in their career, large scope problem for people with many skills. This comes in many forms: the ability to understand the bigger context in which a feature or bug exists, understanding how to work with people\/org\/delivery\/debt\/testing and not get blocked. Don't understand X? Figure out who to talk to, what to learn, how to root-cause, etc. Have dependency on another team? Figure out how to coordinate with them, align schedules, set expectations, set\/acquire commitments, track with your team, etc. ​ Context: I'm in software Edit: I answered the inverse of your question. So the answer is \"not what I typed above\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14684.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhfh0u9","c_root_id_B":"hhg9d1f","created_at_utc_A":1634774493,"created_at_utc_B":1634787984,"score_A":21,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Lack of self awareness is one. \"I put in a lot of overtime, and I feel like no one cares\" You've put in 60 hours of overtime this year, and we had to get others to cover for you. \"Why is x getting promoted ahead of me? We have the same experience\" You graduated the same year, and they used to do a related trade, you don't have the same experience \"I can't stand when people do [the thing that I do more than anyone]\" The lack of awareness isn't the problem, but it limits self assessment and growth and really hinders careers","human_ref_B":"The ability to solve 100% of a problem, instead of tasks that a lead hand-crafts for you. The engineers that excel at any level of experience are the ones that can take responsibility for the entirety of a problem and figure it out, and provide a complete solution for \"the business\". Small problems for people earlier in their career, large scope problem for people with many skills. This comes in many forms: the ability to understand the bigger context in which a feature or bug exists, understanding how to work with people\/org\/delivery\/debt\/testing and not get blocked. Don't understand X? Figure out who to talk to, what to learn, how to root-cause, etc. Have dependency on another team? Figure out how to coordinate with them, align schedules, set expectations, set\/acquire commitments, track with your team, etc. ​ Context: I'm in software Edit: I answered the inverse of your question. So the answer is \"not what I typed above\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13491.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhg9d1f","c_root_id_B":"hhfh637","created_at_utc_A":1634787984,"created_at_utc_B":1634774560,"score_A":24,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"The ability to solve 100% of a problem, instead of tasks that a lead hand-crafts for you. The engineers that excel at any level of experience are the ones that can take responsibility for the entirety of a problem and figure it out, and provide a complete solution for \"the business\". Small problems for people earlier in their career, large scope problem for people with many skills. This comes in many forms: the ability to understand the bigger context in which a feature or bug exists, understanding how to work with people\/org\/delivery\/debt\/testing and not get blocked. Don't understand X? Figure out who to talk to, what to learn, how to root-cause, etc. Have dependency on another team? Figure out how to coordinate with them, align schedules, set expectations, set\/acquire commitments, track with your team, etc. ​ Context: I'm in software Edit: I answered the inverse of your question. So the answer is \"not what I typed above\"","human_ref_B":"Lack of desire to learn anything new. And any engineer who says, \"that's not my job\". A good engineer says, \"I don't know, but I'll figure it out\".","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13424.0,"score_ratio":1.2631578947} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhfxrls","c_root_id_B":"hhg9d1f","created_at_utc_A":1634782182,"created_at_utc_B":1634787984,"score_A":15,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Refuses to learn anything new. Will not spend the time to get it right forcing everyone around them to guess what they they really want.","human_ref_B":"The ability to solve 100% of a problem, instead of tasks that a lead hand-crafts for you. The engineers that excel at any level of experience are the ones that can take responsibility for the entirety of a problem and figure it out, and provide a complete solution for \"the business\". Small problems for people earlier in their career, large scope problem for people with many skills. This comes in many forms: the ability to understand the bigger context in which a feature or bug exists, understanding how to work with people\/org\/delivery\/debt\/testing and not get blocked. Don't understand X? Figure out who to talk to, what to learn, how to root-cause, etc. Have dependency on another team? Figure out how to coordinate with them, align schedules, set expectations, set\/acquire commitments, track with your team, etc. ​ Context: I'm in software Edit: I answered the inverse of your question. So the answer is \"not what I typed above\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5802.0,"score_ratio":1.6} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhfr876","c_root_id_B":"hhg9d1f","created_at_utc_A":1634779151,"created_at_utc_B":1634787984,"score_A":13,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Not taking responsibility for mistakes\/blaming others, repeatedly asking the same questions due to lack of taking notes, not doing any due diligence when designing, not taking 3 seconds to think about a problem before asking someone for the answer are just a few I come across in a daily basis with my newer folks.","human_ref_B":"The ability to solve 100% of a problem, instead of tasks that a lead hand-crafts for you. The engineers that excel at any level of experience are the ones that can take responsibility for the entirety of a problem and figure it out, and provide a complete solution for \"the business\". Small problems for people earlier in their career, large scope problem for people with many skills. This comes in many forms: the ability to understand the bigger context in which a feature or bug exists, understanding how to work with people\/org\/delivery\/debt\/testing and not get blocked. Don't understand X? Figure out who to talk to, what to learn, how to root-cause, etc. Have dependency on another team? Figure out how to coordinate with them, align schedules, set expectations, set\/acquire commitments, track with your team, etc. ​ Context: I'm in software Edit: I answered the inverse of your question. So the answer is \"not what I typed above\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8833.0,"score_ratio":1.8461538462} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhg6bnr","c_root_id_B":"hhg9d1f","created_at_utc_A":1634786372,"created_at_utc_B":1634787984,"score_A":11,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Someone who isnt actually a problem solver. They cant or wont make continuous improvements on their own. They have no practical knowledge of what they are working on","human_ref_B":"The ability to solve 100% of a problem, instead of tasks that a lead hand-crafts for you. The engineers that excel at any level of experience are the ones that can take responsibility for the entirety of a problem and figure it out, and provide a complete solution for \"the business\". Small problems for people earlier in their career, large scope problem for people with many skills. This comes in many forms: the ability to understand the bigger context in which a feature or bug exists, understanding how to work with people\/org\/delivery\/debt\/testing and not get blocked. Don't understand X? Figure out who to talk to, what to learn, how to root-cause, etc. Have dependency on another team? Figure out how to coordinate with them, align schedules, set expectations, set\/acquire commitments, track with your team, etc. ​ Context: I'm in software Edit: I answered the inverse of your question. So the answer is \"not what I typed above\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1612.0,"score_ratio":2.1818181818} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhg9d1f","c_root_id_B":"hhg6d6x","created_at_utc_A":1634787984,"created_at_utc_B":1634786394,"score_A":24,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"The ability to solve 100% of a problem, instead of tasks that a lead hand-crafts for you. The engineers that excel at any level of experience are the ones that can take responsibility for the entirety of a problem and figure it out, and provide a complete solution for \"the business\". Small problems for people earlier in their career, large scope problem for people with many skills. This comes in many forms: the ability to understand the bigger context in which a feature or bug exists, understanding how to work with people\/org\/delivery\/debt\/testing and not get blocked. Don't understand X? Figure out who to talk to, what to learn, how to root-cause, etc. Have dependency on another team? Figure out how to coordinate with them, align schedules, set expectations, set\/acquire commitments, track with your team, etc. ​ Context: I'm in software Edit: I answered the inverse of your question. So the answer is \"not what I typed above\"","human_ref_B":"not giving a shit makes for poor engineers. you have to give a shit to get to the root of problems.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1590.0,"score_ratio":2.4} +{"post_id":"qce1ma","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What makes a mediocre engineer mediocre? Was it lack of professionalism, incompetence with engineering fundamentals, etc.? How common are they? Could you provide some examples.","c_root_id_A":"hhfxrls","c_root_id_B":"hhfr876","created_at_utc_A":1634782182,"created_at_utc_B":1634779151,"score_A":15,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Refuses to learn anything new. Will not spend the time to get it right forcing everyone around them to guess what they they really want.","human_ref_B":"Not taking responsibility for mistakes\/blaming others, repeatedly asking the same questions due to lack of taking notes, not doing any due diligence when designing, not taking 3 seconds to think about a problem before asking someone for the answer are just a few I come across in a daily basis with my newer folks.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3031.0,"score_ratio":1.1538461538} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcssw8","c_root_id_B":"hdcoxc6","created_at_utc_A":1631986549,"created_at_utc_B":1631984958,"score_A":467,"score_B":219,"human_ref_A":"The right word would be \u201cless complex\u201d not less advanced","human_ref_B":"Your examples may be simpler in terms of moving parts, but there's a lot of extra complexity on the electronic side. The complexity is just hidden from the human eye.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1591.0,"score_ratio":2.1324200913} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcn5a9","c_root_id_B":"hdcssw8","created_at_utc_A":1631984222,"created_at_utc_B":1631986549,"score_A":125,"score_B":467,"human_ref_A":"More\/Less advanced is a very subjective term. There is no single objective meaning. A mechanical watch is more advanced in that they can be more difficult to make, in effect they are viewed a bit like works of art. Not for thier usefulness, but for the elegance of making it work, and often a nod to past designs. A quarts watch is a bad status symbol for example. A painting is objectively inferior to a picture in many ways. But paintings can convey other details, or highlight something barely visible, or simply lie about what was there. Electric cars are simpler in many ways, but also more complex in others. Refilling a cars gas tank is simpler than recharging batteries. A two stroke with a simple carburetor and fixed gear ratios is also simpler than a modern combustion engine. Try not to conflate number of parts with simplicity. An electric car has many parts if you count each cell, or few if it is one battery pack.","human_ref_B":"The right word would be \u201cless complex\u201d not less advanced","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2327.0,"score_ratio":3.736} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcssw8","c_root_id_B":"hdck727","created_at_utc_A":1631986549,"created_at_utc_B":1631982998,"score_A":467,"score_B":79,"human_ref_A":"The right word would be \u201cless complex\u201d not less advanced","human_ref_B":"Jet engines are simpler than ICE.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3551.0,"score_ratio":5.9113924051} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcmas9","c_root_id_B":"hdcssw8","created_at_utc_A":1631983869,"created_at_utc_B":1631986549,"score_A":81,"score_B":467,"human_ref_A":"> Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, They're not, though. The \"counter\" that turns 32.768 kHz into seconds is analogous to the geartrain, the crystal oscillator is analogous to the spring \"motor\" and escapement, and the hands are analogous to a simple 7-segment display. Each of those is slightly more complex in a quartz watch (has a larger number of subcomponents). Then there are additional things that a auartz watch needs that a mechanical watch doesn't: individual digit counters, binary to decimal decoders, decimal to 7-segment decoders, and a complex logic circuit to set the time, instead of the simple clutch mechanism in a mechanical one. It's not simpler, it just looks that way when you open it.","human_ref_B":"The right word would be \u201cless complex\u201d not less advanced","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2680.0,"score_ratio":5.7654320988} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcssw8","c_root_id_B":"hdck8zd","created_at_utc_A":1631986549,"created_at_utc_B":1631983019,"score_A":467,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"The right word would be \u201cless complex\u201d not less advanced","human_ref_B":"Solar panels are simpler than coal fired power stations.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3530.0,"score_ratio":9.5306122449} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcj7vm","c_root_id_B":"hdcssw8","created_at_utc_A":1631982599,"created_at_utc_B":1631986549,"score_A":31,"score_B":467,"human_ref_A":"I'd argue a mechanical watch is simpler than a quartz watch. The technology and manufacturing skill needed for a quartz watch is a lot harder than making small gears. Similarly for a combustion engine vs an electric motor.","human_ref_B":"The right word would be \u201cless complex\u201d not less advanced","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3950.0,"score_ratio":15.064516129} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcoxc6","c_root_id_B":"hdcn5a9","created_at_utc_A":1631984958,"created_at_utc_B":1631984222,"score_A":219,"score_B":125,"human_ref_A":"Your examples may be simpler in terms of moving parts, but there's a lot of extra complexity on the electronic side. The complexity is just hidden from the human eye.","human_ref_B":"More\/Less advanced is a very subjective term. There is no single objective meaning. A mechanical watch is more advanced in that they can be more difficult to make, in effect they are viewed a bit like works of art. Not for thier usefulness, but for the elegance of making it work, and often a nod to past designs. A quarts watch is a bad status symbol for example. A painting is objectively inferior to a picture in many ways. But paintings can convey other details, or highlight something barely visible, or simply lie about what was there. Electric cars are simpler in many ways, but also more complex in others. Refilling a cars gas tank is simpler than recharging batteries. A two stroke with a simple carburetor and fixed gear ratios is also simpler than a modern combustion engine. Try not to conflate number of parts with simplicity. An electric car has many parts if you count each cell, or few if it is one battery pack.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":736.0,"score_ratio":1.752} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdck727","c_root_id_B":"hdcoxc6","created_at_utc_A":1631982998,"created_at_utc_B":1631984958,"score_A":79,"score_B":219,"human_ref_A":"Jet engines are simpler than ICE.","human_ref_B":"Your examples may be simpler in terms of moving parts, but there's a lot of extra complexity on the electronic side. The complexity is just hidden from the human eye.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1960.0,"score_ratio":2.7721518987} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcmas9","c_root_id_B":"hdcoxc6","created_at_utc_A":1631983869,"created_at_utc_B":1631984958,"score_A":81,"score_B":219,"human_ref_A":"> Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, They're not, though. The \"counter\" that turns 32.768 kHz into seconds is analogous to the geartrain, the crystal oscillator is analogous to the spring \"motor\" and escapement, and the hands are analogous to a simple 7-segment display. Each of those is slightly more complex in a quartz watch (has a larger number of subcomponents). Then there are additional things that a auartz watch needs that a mechanical watch doesn't: individual digit counters, binary to decimal decoders, decimal to 7-segment decoders, and a complex logic circuit to set the time, instead of the simple clutch mechanism in a mechanical one. It's not simpler, it just looks that way when you open it.","human_ref_B":"Your examples may be simpler in terms of moving parts, but there's a lot of extra complexity on the electronic side. The complexity is just hidden from the human eye.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1089.0,"score_ratio":2.7037037037} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcoxc6","c_root_id_B":"hdck8zd","created_at_utc_A":1631984958,"created_at_utc_B":1631983019,"score_A":219,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"Your examples may be simpler in terms of moving parts, but there's a lot of extra complexity on the electronic side. The complexity is just hidden from the human eye.","human_ref_B":"Solar panels are simpler than coal fired power stations.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1939.0,"score_ratio":4.4693877551} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcj7vm","c_root_id_B":"hdcoxc6","created_at_utc_A":1631982599,"created_at_utc_B":1631984958,"score_A":31,"score_B":219,"human_ref_A":"I'd argue a mechanical watch is simpler than a quartz watch. The technology and manufacturing skill needed for a quartz watch is a lot harder than making small gears. Similarly for a combustion engine vs an electric motor.","human_ref_B":"Your examples may be simpler in terms of moving parts, but there's a lot of extra complexity on the electronic side. The complexity is just hidden from the human eye.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2359.0,"score_ratio":7.064516129} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcn5a9","c_root_id_B":"hdck727","created_at_utc_A":1631984222,"created_at_utc_B":1631982998,"score_A":125,"score_B":79,"human_ref_A":"More\/Less advanced is a very subjective term. There is no single objective meaning. A mechanical watch is more advanced in that they can be more difficult to make, in effect they are viewed a bit like works of art. Not for thier usefulness, but for the elegance of making it work, and often a nod to past designs. A quarts watch is a bad status symbol for example. A painting is objectively inferior to a picture in many ways. But paintings can convey other details, or highlight something barely visible, or simply lie about what was there. Electric cars are simpler in many ways, but also more complex in others. Refilling a cars gas tank is simpler than recharging batteries. A two stroke with a simple carburetor and fixed gear ratios is also simpler than a modern combustion engine. Try not to conflate number of parts with simplicity. An electric car has many parts if you count each cell, or few if it is one battery pack.","human_ref_B":"Jet engines are simpler than ICE.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1224.0,"score_ratio":1.582278481} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcn5a9","c_root_id_B":"hdcmas9","created_at_utc_A":1631984222,"created_at_utc_B":1631983869,"score_A":125,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"More\/Less advanced is a very subjective term. There is no single objective meaning. A mechanical watch is more advanced in that they can be more difficult to make, in effect they are viewed a bit like works of art. Not for thier usefulness, but for the elegance of making it work, and often a nod to past designs. A quarts watch is a bad status symbol for example. A painting is objectively inferior to a picture in many ways. But paintings can convey other details, or highlight something barely visible, or simply lie about what was there. Electric cars are simpler in many ways, but also more complex in others. Refilling a cars gas tank is simpler than recharging batteries. A two stroke with a simple carburetor and fixed gear ratios is also simpler than a modern combustion engine. Try not to conflate number of parts with simplicity. An electric car has many parts if you count each cell, or few if it is one battery pack.","human_ref_B":"> Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, They're not, though. The \"counter\" that turns 32.768 kHz into seconds is analogous to the geartrain, the crystal oscillator is analogous to the spring \"motor\" and escapement, and the hands are analogous to a simple 7-segment display. Each of those is slightly more complex in a quartz watch (has a larger number of subcomponents). Then there are additional things that a auartz watch needs that a mechanical watch doesn't: individual digit counters, binary to decimal decoders, decimal to 7-segment decoders, and a complex logic circuit to set the time, instead of the simple clutch mechanism in a mechanical one. It's not simpler, it just looks that way when you open it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":353.0,"score_ratio":1.5432098765} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdck8zd","c_root_id_B":"hdcn5a9","created_at_utc_A":1631983019,"created_at_utc_B":1631984222,"score_A":49,"score_B":125,"human_ref_A":"Solar panels are simpler than coal fired power stations.","human_ref_B":"More\/Less advanced is a very subjective term. There is no single objective meaning. A mechanical watch is more advanced in that they can be more difficult to make, in effect they are viewed a bit like works of art. Not for thier usefulness, but for the elegance of making it work, and often a nod to past designs. A quarts watch is a bad status symbol for example. A painting is objectively inferior to a picture in many ways. But paintings can convey other details, or highlight something barely visible, or simply lie about what was there. Electric cars are simpler in many ways, but also more complex in others. Refilling a cars gas tank is simpler than recharging batteries. A two stroke with a simple carburetor and fixed gear ratios is also simpler than a modern combustion engine. Try not to conflate number of parts with simplicity. An electric car has many parts if you count each cell, or few if it is one battery pack.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1203.0,"score_ratio":2.5510204082} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcn5a9","c_root_id_B":"hdcj7vm","created_at_utc_A":1631984222,"created_at_utc_B":1631982599,"score_A":125,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"More\/Less advanced is a very subjective term. There is no single objective meaning. A mechanical watch is more advanced in that they can be more difficult to make, in effect they are viewed a bit like works of art. Not for thier usefulness, but for the elegance of making it work, and often a nod to past designs. A quarts watch is a bad status symbol for example. A painting is objectively inferior to a picture in many ways. But paintings can convey other details, or highlight something barely visible, or simply lie about what was there. Electric cars are simpler in many ways, but also more complex in others. Refilling a cars gas tank is simpler than recharging batteries. A two stroke with a simple carburetor and fixed gear ratios is also simpler than a modern combustion engine. Try not to conflate number of parts with simplicity. An electric car has many parts if you count each cell, or few if it is one battery pack.","human_ref_B":"I'd argue a mechanical watch is simpler than a quartz watch. The technology and manufacturing skill needed for a quartz watch is a lot harder than making small gears. Similarly for a combustion engine vs an electric motor.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1623.0,"score_ratio":4.0322580645} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcmas9","c_root_id_B":"hdck727","created_at_utc_A":1631983869,"created_at_utc_B":1631982998,"score_A":81,"score_B":79,"human_ref_A":"> Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, They're not, though. The \"counter\" that turns 32.768 kHz into seconds is analogous to the geartrain, the crystal oscillator is analogous to the spring \"motor\" and escapement, and the hands are analogous to a simple 7-segment display. Each of those is slightly more complex in a quartz watch (has a larger number of subcomponents). Then there are additional things that a auartz watch needs that a mechanical watch doesn't: individual digit counters, binary to decimal decoders, decimal to 7-segment decoders, and a complex logic circuit to set the time, instead of the simple clutch mechanism in a mechanical one. It's not simpler, it just looks that way when you open it.","human_ref_B":"Jet engines are simpler than ICE.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":871.0,"score_ratio":1.0253164557} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcj7vm","c_root_id_B":"hdck727","created_at_utc_A":1631982599,"created_at_utc_B":1631982998,"score_A":31,"score_B":79,"human_ref_A":"I'd argue a mechanical watch is simpler than a quartz watch. The technology and manufacturing skill needed for a quartz watch is a lot harder than making small gears. Similarly for a combustion engine vs an electric motor.","human_ref_B":"Jet engines are simpler than ICE.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":399.0,"score_ratio":2.5483870968} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdck8zd","c_root_id_B":"hdcmas9","created_at_utc_A":1631983019,"created_at_utc_B":1631983869,"score_A":49,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"Solar panels are simpler than coal fired power stations.","human_ref_B":"> Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, They're not, though. The \"counter\" that turns 32.768 kHz into seconds is analogous to the geartrain, the crystal oscillator is analogous to the spring \"motor\" and escapement, and the hands are analogous to a simple 7-segment display. Each of those is slightly more complex in a quartz watch (has a larger number of subcomponents). Then there are additional things that a auartz watch needs that a mechanical watch doesn't: individual digit counters, binary to decimal decoders, decimal to 7-segment decoders, and a complex logic circuit to set the time, instead of the simple clutch mechanism in a mechanical one. It's not simpler, it just looks that way when you open it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":850.0,"score_ratio":1.6530612245} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcj7vm","c_root_id_B":"hdcmas9","created_at_utc_A":1631982599,"created_at_utc_B":1631983869,"score_A":31,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"I'd argue a mechanical watch is simpler than a quartz watch. The technology and manufacturing skill needed for a quartz watch is a lot harder than making small gears. Similarly for a combustion engine vs an electric motor.","human_ref_B":"> Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, They're not, though. The \"counter\" that turns 32.768 kHz into seconds is analogous to the geartrain, the crystal oscillator is analogous to the spring \"motor\" and escapement, and the hands are analogous to a simple 7-segment display. Each of those is slightly more complex in a quartz watch (has a larger number of subcomponents). Then there are additional things that a auartz watch needs that a mechanical watch doesn't: individual digit counters, binary to decimal decoders, decimal to 7-segment decoders, and a complex logic circuit to set the time, instead of the simple clutch mechanism in a mechanical one. It's not simpler, it just looks that way when you open it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1270.0,"score_ratio":2.6129032258} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcj7vm","c_root_id_B":"hdck8zd","created_at_utc_A":1631982599,"created_at_utc_B":1631983019,"score_A":31,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"I'd argue a mechanical watch is simpler than a quartz watch. The technology and manufacturing skill needed for a quartz watch is a lot harder than making small gears. Similarly for a combustion engine vs an electric motor.","human_ref_B":"Solar panels are simpler than coal fired power stations.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":420.0,"score_ratio":1.5806451613} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcu3st","c_root_id_B":"hdcvqpr","created_at_utc_A":1631987078,"created_at_utc_B":1631987757,"score_A":8,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"Juicero.","human_ref_B":"\"Simple\" is subjective, but I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the simplicity of a field-effect transistor vs. a vacuum tube or relay. The former has no moving parts, contains only a slightly impure element and its oxide, and works essentially forever.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":679.0,"score_ratio":2.25} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcsynr","c_root_id_B":"hdcvqpr","created_at_utc_A":1631986615,"created_at_utc_B":1631987757,"score_A":4,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"The latest and greatest music format. We went from groves in vinyl to iron on tape to pits in aluminum to electrons that were probably transmitted as light.","human_ref_B":"\"Simple\" is subjective, but I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the simplicity of a field-effect transistor vs. a vacuum tube or relay. The former has no moving parts, contains only a slightly impure element and its oxide, and works essentially forever.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1142.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcu3st","c_root_id_B":"hdcxkdx","created_at_utc_A":1631987078,"created_at_utc_B":1631988507,"score_A":8,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Juicero.","human_ref_B":"A system made with highly integrated microchips instead of discrete transistors and small-scale integration. CPUs of the 60s and 70s were unbelievably complex to the eye. With microprocessors that complexity is hidden (much like an EV).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1429.0,"score_ratio":1.875} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcsynr","c_root_id_B":"hdcxkdx","created_at_utc_A":1631986615,"created_at_utc_B":1631988507,"score_A":4,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"The latest and greatest music format. We went from groves in vinyl to iron on tape to pits in aluminum to electrons that were probably transmitted as light.","human_ref_B":"A system made with highly integrated microchips instead of discrete transistors and small-scale integration. CPUs of the 60s and 70s were unbelievably complex to the eye. With microprocessors that complexity is hidden (much like an EV).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1892.0,"score_ratio":3.75} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcw7nb","c_root_id_B":"hdcxkdx","created_at_utc_A":1631987952,"created_at_utc_B":1631988507,"score_A":4,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"OP's question is very open to interpretation. Is the intention for fewer moving parts? Ease of manufacture? Robustness? Control systems for engines had more moving parts and linkages to translate one measure into another, like governors. Modern approach is often to add transducer sensors, software, and some sort of controllable actuator. One way to iterate on a design is to replace machined components with cast or forged ones for lower per unit cost as it scales. Does that count for comparing a CNC machined part with one made from a mold (which, of course is likely to be CNC as well).","human_ref_B":"A system made with highly integrated microchips instead of discrete transistors and small-scale integration. CPUs of the 60s and 70s were unbelievably complex to the eye. With microprocessors that complexity is hidden (much like an EV).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":555.0,"score_ratio":3.75} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcu3st","c_root_id_B":"hdcsynr","created_at_utc_A":1631987078,"created_at_utc_B":1631986615,"score_A":8,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Juicero.","human_ref_B":"The latest and greatest music format. We went from groves in vinyl to iron on tape to pits in aluminum to electrons that were probably transmitted as light.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":463.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdd3eat","c_root_id_B":"hddk2l4","created_at_utc_A":1631990876,"created_at_utc_B":1631997708,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"VCRs are ridiculously complex.","human_ref_B":"Here's the circuit of a basic digital watch. It requires 194 Transistors, 566 Diodes, 400 Resistors and 87 Capacitors. http:\/\/transistorclock.com\/index.html The mechanical equivalent uses a handful of parts. https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Galileo%27s_escapement There is no way you can argue the mechanical clock is more complex or more advanced. Not on mechanical precision, parts count, materials science or technological advancement. The technology, skill, knowledge and machinery required to make one single diode is far more advanced than anything used in any mechanical clock, no matter how precise or detailed it appears.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6832.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hddfae9","c_root_id_B":"hdd3eat","created_at_utc_A":1631995801,"created_at_utc_B":1631990876,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Vacuum tubes vs transistors and diodes. Transistors and diodes are smaller, have fewer parts, no heater circuit, and they operate at safe voltages. Transistors also come in both PNP and NPN varieties so you can build the exact same circuit with the polarities reversed by using complementary components, thus eliminating output transformers and other shenanigans. Diodes can be arranged in a bridge to create a DC power supply which requires a much simpler transformer than this (somewhat) equivalent tube circuit.","human_ref_B":"VCRs are ridiculously complex.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4925.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcsynr","c_root_id_B":"hdd3eat","created_at_utc_A":1631986615,"created_at_utc_B":1631990876,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"The latest and greatest music format. We went from groves in vinyl to iron on tape to pits in aluminum to electrons that were probably transmitted as light.","human_ref_B":"VCRs are ridiculously complex.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4261.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcw7nb","c_root_id_B":"hdd3eat","created_at_utc_A":1631987952,"created_at_utc_B":1631990876,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"OP's question is very open to interpretation. Is the intention for fewer moving parts? Ease of manufacture? Robustness? Control systems for engines had more moving parts and linkages to translate one measure into another, like governors. Modern approach is often to add transducer sensors, software, and some sort of controllable actuator. One way to iterate on a design is to replace machined components with cast or forged ones for lower per unit cost as it scales. Does that count for comparing a CNC machined part with one made from a mold (which, of course is likely to be CNC as well).","human_ref_B":"VCRs are ridiculously complex.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2924.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdd3eat","c_root_id_B":"hdd2vl7","created_at_utc_A":1631990876,"created_at_utc_B":1631990665,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"VCRs are ridiculously complex.","human_ref_B":"I would say those are more deceptively simple. With enough experimentation I'm pretty sure that I could make an internal combustion engine if I like traveled back in time to the 1800s or something, because I fully understand all the principles behind it. Making a lithium ion battery though...not so much. You do raise a good point though, that the more advanced technology becomes, the more streamlined and degradable it becomes, too. I fancy there were advanced civilizations in the distant past, and we wouldn't recognize their technology as such even if some of it had survived. In fact, I would say the most advanced technology is all around us, taken completely for granted. Reality itself could be argued to be a holographic projection of organized information. Every living thing possessing DNA could be said to be self replicating nano technology. Even the earth itself could be construed as an extremely advanced spacecraft. Well, the entire solar system in fact.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":211.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcsynr","c_root_id_B":"hddk2l4","created_at_utc_A":1631986615,"created_at_utc_B":1631997708,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"The latest and greatest music format. We went from groves in vinyl to iron on tape to pits in aluminum to electrons that were probably transmitted as light.","human_ref_B":"Here's the circuit of a basic digital watch. It requires 194 Transistors, 566 Diodes, 400 Resistors and 87 Capacitors. http:\/\/transistorclock.com\/index.html The mechanical equivalent uses a handful of parts. https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Galileo%27s_escapement There is no way you can argue the mechanical clock is more complex or more advanced. Not on mechanical precision, parts count, materials science or technological advancement. The technology, skill, knowledge and machinery required to make one single diode is far more advanced than anything used in any mechanical clock, no matter how precise or detailed it appears.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11093.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hddk2l4","c_root_id_B":"hdcw7nb","created_at_utc_A":1631997708,"created_at_utc_B":1631987952,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Here's the circuit of a basic digital watch. It requires 194 Transistors, 566 Diodes, 400 Resistors and 87 Capacitors. http:\/\/transistorclock.com\/index.html The mechanical equivalent uses a handful of parts. https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Galileo%27s_escapement There is no way you can argue the mechanical clock is more complex or more advanced. Not on mechanical precision, parts count, materials science or technological advancement. The technology, skill, knowledge and machinery required to make one single diode is far more advanced than anything used in any mechanical clock, no matter how precise or detailed it appears.","human_ref_B":"OP's question is very open to interpretation. Is the intention for fewer moving parts? Ease of manufacture? Robustness? Control systems for engines had more moving parts and linkages to translate one measure into another, like governors. Modern approach is often to add transducer sensors, software, and some sort of controllable actuator. One way to iterate on a design is to replace machined components with cast or forged ones for lower per unit cost as it scales. Does that count for comparing a CNC machined part with one made from a mold (which, of course is likely to be CNC as well).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9756.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdd2vl7","c_root_id_B":"hddk2l4","created_at_utc_A":1631990665,"created_at_utc_B":1631997708,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I would say those are more deceptively simple. With enough experimentation I'm pretty sure that I could make an internal combustion engine if I like traveled back in time to the 1800s or something, because I fully understand all the principles behind it. Making a lithium ion battery though...not so much. You do raise a good point though, that the more advanced technology becomes, the more streamlined and degradable it becomes, too. I fancy there were advanced civilizations in the distant past, and we wouldn't recognize their technology as such even if some of it had survived. In fact, I would say the most advanced technology is all around us, taken completely for granted. Reality itself could be argued to be a holographic projection of organized information. Every living thing possessing DNA could be said to be self replicating nano technology. Even the earth itself could be construed as an extremely advanced spacecraft. Well, the entire solar system in fact.","human_ref_B":"Here's the circuit of a basic digital watch. It requires 194 Transistors, 566 Diodes, 400 Resistors and 87 Capacitors. http:\/\/transistorclock.com\/index.html The mechanical equivalent uses a handful of parts. https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Galileo%27s_escapement There is no way you can argue the mechanical clock is more complex or more advanced. Not on mechanical precision, parts count, materials science or technological advancement. The technology, skill, knowledge and machinery required to make one single diode is far more advanced than anything used in any mechanical clock, no matter how precise or detailed it appears.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7043.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hdcsynr","c_root_id_B":"hddfae9","created_at_utc_A":1631986615,"created_at_utc_B":1631995801,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"The latest and greatest music format. We went from groves in vinyl to iron on tape to pits in aluminum to electrons that were probably transmitted as light.","human_ref_B":"Vacuum tubes vs transistors and diodes. Transistors and diodes are smaller, have fewer parts, no heater circuit, and they operate at safe voltages. Transistors also come in both PNP and NPN varieties so you can build the exact same circuit with the polarities reversed by using complementary components, thus eliminating output transformers and other shenanigans. Diodes can be arranged in a bridge to create a DC power supply which requires a much simpler transformer than this (somewhat) equivalent tube circuit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9186.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hddfae9","c_root_id_B":"hdcw7nb","created_at_utc_A":1631995801,"created_at_utc_B":1631987952,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Vacuum tubes vs transistors and diodes. Transistors and diodes are smaller, have fewer parts, no heater circuit, and they operate at safe voltages. Transistors also come in both PNP and NPN varieties so you can build the exact same circuit with the polarities reversed by using complementary components, thus eliminating output transformers and other shenanigans. Diodes can be arranged in a bridge to create a DC power supply which requires a much simpler transformer than this (somewhat) equivalent tube circuit.","human_ref_B":"OP's question is very open to interpretation. Is the intention for fewer moving parts? Ease of manufacture? Robustness? Control systems for engines had more moving parts and linkages to translate one measure into another, like governors. Modern approach is often to add transducer sensors, software, and some sort of controllable actuator. One way to iterate on a design is to replace machined components with cast or forged ones for lower per unit cost as it scales. Does that count for comparing a CNC machined part with one made from a mold (which, of course is likely to be CNC as well).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7849.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"pqpgmy","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Quartz watches are simpler than mechanical watches, electric cars are simpler than combustion engine cars. What are some other examples where newer technology is actually \"less advanced\" than the old one?","c_root_id_A":"hddfae9","c_root_id_B":"hdd2vl7","created_at_utc_A":1631995801,"created_at_utc_B":1631990665,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Vacuum tubes vs transistors and diodes. Transistors and diodes are smaller, have fewer parts, no heater circuit, and they operate at safe voltages. Transistors also come in both PNP and NPN varieties so you can build the exact same circuit with the polarities reversed by using complementary components, thus eliminating output transformers and other shenanigans. Diodes can be arranged in a bridge to create a DC power supply which requires a much simpler transformer than this (somewhat) equivalent tube circuit.","human_ref_B":"I would say those are more deceptively simple. With enough experimentation I'm pretty sure that I could make an internal combustion engine if I like traveled back in time to the 1800s or something, because I fully understand all the principles behind it. Making a lithium ion battery though...not so much. You do raise a good point though, that the more advanced technology becomes, the more streamlined and degradable it becomes, too. I fancy there were advanced civilizations in the distant past, and we wouldn't recognize their technology as such even if some of it had survived. In fact, I would say the most advanced technology is all around us, taken completely for granted. Reality itself could be argued to be a holographic projection of organized information. Every living thing possessing DNA could be said to be self replicating nano technology. Even the earth itself could be construed as an extremely advanced spacecraft. Well, the entire solar system in fact.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5136.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewj4pfu","c_root_id_B":"ewj4asd","created_at_utc_A":1565461284,"created_at_utc_B":1565461125,"score_A":297,"score_B":103,"human_ref_A":"No. I\u2019d very much rather do engineering at least 80% of the time than 5% engineering, and varying levels of project management, chasing quotes, negotiating contracts, financial management, people management, forecasts, milestone forecasts or quite simply buying stuff because I understand how computers work.","human_ref_B":"No. And I love my job, but they have to pay me to show up.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":159.0,"score_ratio":2.8834951456} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewjq6v5","c_root_id_B":"ewjfjm8","created_at_utc_A":1565470366,"created_at_utc_B":1565465896,"score_A":103,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"Kind of yes - I enjoy the puzzle solving aspects of my job but I would cut back my hours a bit and take more vacations.","human_ref_B":"Everyone would probably want to volunteer for the high profile, \"cool\" jobs. Just because you wanted to do a job doesn't mean you would get to do it, only so much labor is needed and you still need to be qualified to be able to do it. I'm reasonably happy with my job, I'd probably still do it rather than trying and failing to get one of the jobs everyone wants to do. EDIT: I'm an optical engineer working in aerospace.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4470.0,"score_ratio":3.0294117647} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewjq6v5","c_root_id_B":"ewjo0x0","created_at_utc_A":1565470366,"created_at_utc_B":1565469475,"score_A":103,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Kind of yes - I enjoy the puzzle solving aspects of my job but I would cut back my hours a bit and take more vacations.","human_ref_B":"Id volunteer to do something specialized and important. This moneyless society would,never last long \ud83d\ude1d","labels":1,"seconds_difference":891.0,"score_ratio":9.3636363636} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewjq6v5","c_root_id_B":"ewjc5qx","created_at_utc_A":1565470366,"created_at_utc_B":1565464448,"score_A":103,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Kind of yes - I enjoy the puzzle solving aspects of my job but I would cut back my hours a bit and take more vacations.","human_ref_B":"My job 100% wouldn't exist in a moneyless society. I'd probably teach kids to program robots if money was no object","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5918.0,"score_ratio":10.3} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewk6ykh","c_root_id_B":"ewjfjm8","created_at_utc_A":1565477377,"created_at_utc_B":1565465896,"score_A":51,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"Haha no. Parts of my job yes but the bulk of it no way no how. For example I would never volunteer to write and redraft the same email 9 times to get the wording \"the problem was caused because you are an idiot who should have listened to me\" exactly right.","human_ref_B":"Everyone would probably want to volunteer for the high profile, \"cool\" jobs. Just because you wanted to do a job doesn't mean you would get to do it, only so much labor is needed and you still need to be qualified to be able to do it. I'm reasonably happy with my job, I'd probably still do it rather than trying and failing to get one of the jobs everyone wants to do. EDIT: I'm an optical engineer working in aerospace.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11481.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewju137","c_root_id_B":"ewk6ykh","created_at_utc_A":1565471959,"created_at_utc_B":1565477377,"score_A":30,"score_B":51,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m an auto mechanic. If my life necessities were met, I would not work\/volunteer 50 hours a week like I am doing now. But I would want to do something with my hands and mind so I wouldn\u2019t go crazy. Perhaps I would volunteer 20 hours a week. Depending on the conditions.","human_ref_B":"Haha no. Parts of my job yes but the bulk of it no way no how. For example I would never volunteer to write and redraft the same email 9 times to get the wording \"the problem was caused because you are an idiot who should have listened to me\" exactly right.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5418.0,"score_ratio":1.7} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewk6ykh","c_root_id_B":"ewk6nyy","created_at_utc_A":1565477377,"created_at_utc_B":1565477254,"score_A":51,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Haha no. Parts of my job yes but the bulk of it no way no how. For example I would never volunteer to write and redraft the same email 9 times to get the wording \"the problem was caused because you are an idiot who should have listened to me\" exactly right.","human_ref_B":"Probably, because I chose engineering without even considering the money - though having moved out and living on my own, the money is the most important aspect of working to me now. But considering how much effort it took me to get here, maybe not. I'd probably like to work as food vlogger or something in my youth to be able to travel the world, and offer my thoughts on different cuisines.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":123.0,"score_ratio":2.6842105263} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? 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EDIT: I'm an optical engineer working in aerospace.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1448.0,"score_ratio":3.4} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewju137","c_root_id_B":"ewjo0x0","created_at_utc_A":1565471959,"created_at_utc_B":1565469475,"score_A":30,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m an auto mechanic. If my life necessities were met, I would not work\/volunteer 50 hours a week like I am doing now. But I would want to do something with my hands and mind so I wouldn\u2019t go crazy. Perhaps I would volunteer 20 hours a week. Depending on the conditions.","human_ref_B":"Id volunteer to do something specialized and important. This moneyless society would,never last long \ud83d\ude1d","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2484.0,"score_ratio":2.7272727273} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewjc5qx","c_root_id_B":"ewju137","created_at_utc_A":1565464448,"created_at_utc_B":1565471959,"score_A":10,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"My job 100% wouldn't exist in a moneyless society. I'd probably teach kids to program robots if money was no object","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m an auto mechanic. If my life necessities were met, I would not work\/volunteer 50 hours a week like I am doing now. But I would want to do something with my hands and mind so I wouldn\u2019t go crazy. Perhaps I would volunteer 20 hours a week. Depending on the conditions.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7511.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewk6nyy","c_root_id_B":"ewkayka","created_at_utc_A":1565477254,"created_at_utc_B":1565479729,"score_A":19,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Probably, because I chose engineering without even considering the money - though having moved out and living on my own, the money is the most important aspect of working to me now. But considering how much effort it took me to get here, maybe not. I'd probably like to work as food vlogger or something in my youth to be able to travel the world, and offer my thoughts on different cuisines.","human_ref_B":"Yes, but my hours would be cut drastically. Fuck that 60-80hr work week","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2475.0,"score_ratio":1.3684210526} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewjo0x0","c_root_id_B":"ewkayka","created_at_utc_A":1565469475,"created_at_utc_B":1565479729,"score_A":11,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Id volunteer to do something specialized and important. This moneyless society would,never last long \ud83d\ude1d","human_ref_B":"Yes, but my hours would be cut drastically. Fuck that 60-80hr work week","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10254.0,"score_ratio":2.3636363636} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewkayka","c_root_id_B":"ewk7ncr","created_at_utc_A":1565479729,"created_at_utc_B":1565477680,"score_A":26,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Yes, but my hours would be cut drastically. Fuck that 60-80hr work week","human_ref_B":"Engineering manager in aerospace. I've touched things that are now in space and on another planet. Heck yes I'd still do this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2049.0,"score_ratio":1.8571428571} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewjc5qx","c_root_id_B":"ewkayka","created_at_utc_A":1565464448,"created_at_utc_B":1565479729,"score_A":10,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"My job 100% wouldn't exist in a moneyless society. I'd probably teach kids to program robots if money was no object","human_ref_B":"Yes, but my hours would be cut drastically. Fuck that 60-80hr work week","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15281.0,"score_ratio":2.6} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewk6nyy","c_root_id_B":"ewknnod","created_at_utc_A":1565477254,"created_at_utc_B":1565489342,"score_A":19,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Probably, because I chose engineering without even considering the money - though having moved out and living on my own, the money is the most important aspect of working to me now. But considering how much effort it took me to get here, maybe not. I'd probably like to work as food vlogger or something in my youth to be able to travel the world, and offer my thoughts on different cuisines.","human_ref_B":"If my children didn't not depend on housing and food absolutely. I love to create. In fact being a professional engineer makes you less human, I'd argue. We don't get paid enough. Ideas are sold based off of value to wallet rather than society furthering, and most of the engineers I know grow to hate what they do because of this. Example, idea that would monitor medical life sustaining equipment cleanliness ( think mold or fungi) is patented but not used because illness=\ud83d\udcb0. Start your own company, make it people focused, not $$$ focused.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12088.0,"score_ratio":1.0526315789} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewknnod","c_root_id_B":"ewjo0x0","created_at_utc_A":1565489342,"created_at_utc_B":1565469475,"score_A":20,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"If my children didn't not depend on housing and food absolutely. I love to create. In fact being a professional engineer makes you less human, I'd argue. We don't get paid enough. Ideas are sold based off of value to wallet rather than society furthering, and most of the engineers I know grow to hate what they do because of this. Example, idea that would monitor medical life sustaining equipment cleanliness ( think mold or fungi) is patented but not used because illness=\ud83d\udcb0. Start your own company, make it people focused, not $$$ focused.","human_ref_B":"Id volunteer to do something specialized and important. 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Honestly, I have more fun on most weekdays than weekends.","human_ref_B":"Hell no.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3961.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewkgi2x","c_root_id_B":"ewktb2f","created_at_utc_A":1565483777,"created_at_utc_B":1565493988,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"God fucking damn hell no are you fucking kidding me?????","human_ref_B":"Yes. I do automation and systems integration. And since theres no self imposed limit on not taking jobs away, ill assume my final form and automate the shit out of everything.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10211.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"colgq0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If we lived in a money-less society, and all jobs had to be done on volunteer basis, would you volunteer to do your job? If the answer to this is yes, what do you do?","c_root_id_A":"ewkgi2x","c_root_id_B":"ewkgo28","created_at_utc_A":1565483777,"created_at_utc_B":1565483906,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"God fucking damn hell no are you fucking kidding me?????","human_ref_B":"Hell no.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":129.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3opymt","c_root_id_B":"e3oncm4","created_at_utc_A":1533532244,"created_at_utc_B":1533528864,"score_A":147,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"I have been doing this shit since 1982 and I am STILL terrified that someone will find me out for the fraud that I am. I own a small engineering company (15 people) and we do about 2.5 million in sales a year. I am licensed as a Civil Engineer in (this is no shit!!) 44 states, DC and (honest to god!) Guam. I have worked on six nuclear power plants, the Space Shuttle and lots of board plants and conventional power plants. I love being an engineer but it's just like jumping out of an airplane.....I love it but it scares the hair off of me. I live in horror of a catastrophic failure, collapse, man slaughter. You are right to experience a sense of a lack of knowledge and experience because it's very real and it gets worse. When you get to be an old son-of-a-bitch like me people believe that you know EVERYTHING! I don't know nothing! My approximations, estimates and flat out guesses have worked so far but for the past 25 years I have had to oversee junior engineers so my exposure to something going bat shit has doubled and tripled and quadrupled. But let's face it....engineering is not a very important profession it is the MOST important profession in all the world and you had better take it seriously because without us medicine, law, education, politics, religion would all have to do their schtick out in the woods, in the dark and in the cold without running water and toilet paper! Is it worth all that kinda pressure and crap? You bet it is - I would still do it for free - but it is not for everybody. My opinion is that your attitude is just about exactly right. Have a look here: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/William_Mulholland and here: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse That second one might encourage you to pay very close attention in your Statics lectures. You will do just fine, your attitude and thinking are right where they should be......just stay away from being cocky and complacent!","human_ref_B":"This has been me just about every day of my 11+ year career. It always seems like everyone else knows what they are doing. Only thing I can do to make myself feel better is be logical and realize that I have done well and have gotten good performance appraisals.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3380.0,"score_ratio":3.1276595745} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3onhx7","c_root_id_B":"e3opymt","created_at_utc_A":1533529049,"created_at_utc_B":1533532244,"score_A":25,"score_B":147,"human_ref_A":"It's far better to feel like a fraud than a know-it-all. You'll do fine long-term.","human_ref_B":"I have been doing this shit since 1982 and I am STILL terrified that someone will find me out for the fraud that I am. I own a small engineering company (15 people) and we do about 2.5 million in sales a year. I am licensed as a Civil Engineer in (this is no shit!!) 44 states, DC and (honest to god!) Guam. I have worked on six nuclear power plants, the Space Shuttle and lots of board plants and conventional power plants. I love being an engineer but it's just like jumping out of an airplane.....I love it but it scares the hair off of me. I live in horror of a catastrophic failure, collapse, man slaughter. You are right to experience a sense of a lack of knowledge and experience because it's very real and it gets worse. When you get to be an old son-of-a-bitch like me people believe that you know EVERYTHING! I don't know nothing! My approximations, estimates and flat out guesses have worked so far but for the past 25 years I have had to oversee junior engineers so my exposure to something going bat shit has doubled and tripled and quadrupled. But let's face it....engineering is not a very important profession it is the MOST important profession in all the world and you had better take it seriously because without us medicine, law, education, politics, religion would all have to do their schtick out in the woods, in the dark and in the cold without running water and toilet paper! Is it worth all that kinda pressure and crap? You bet it is - I would still do it for free - but it is not for everybody. My opinion is that your attitude is just about exactly right. Have a look here: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/William_Mulholland and here: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse That second one might encourage you to pay very close attention in your Statics lectures. You will do just fine, your attitude and thinking are right where they should be......just stay away from being cocky and complacent!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3195.0,"score_ratio":5.88} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3on7pu","c_root_id_B":"e3opymt","created_at_utc_A":1533528692,"created_at_utc_B":1533532244,"score_A":19,"score_B":147,"human_ref_A":"It's normal you'll be useless for the first year, and it's unlikely you can generate significant value for any business you work at early on. This affects a lot of professions, not just engineering grads which is why companies in general want to retain you as long as possible to offset this sunk cost of training you. Best advice - listen, learn, ask questions, ask for help, and don't be an obnoxious know it all. Communication and humility is key.","human_ref_B":"I have been doing this shit since 1982 and I am STILL terrified that someone will find me out for the fraud that I am. I own a small engineering company (15 people) and we do about 2.5 million in sales a year. I am licensed as a Civil Engineer in (this is no shit!!) 44 states, DC and (honest to god!) Guam. I have worked on six nuclear power plants, the Space Shuttle and lots of board plants and conventional power plants. I love being an engineer but it's just like jumping out of an airplane.....I love it but it scares the hair off of me. I live in horror of a catastrophic failure, collapse, man slaughter. You are right to experience a sense of a lack of knowledge and experience because it's very real and it gets worse. When you get to be an old son-of-a-bitch like me people believe that you know EVERYTHING! I don't know nothing! My approximations, estimates and flat out guesses have worked so far but for the past 25 years I have had to oversee junior engineers so my exposure to something going bat shit has doubled and tripled and quadrupled. But let's face it....engineering is not a very important profession it is the MOST important profession in all the world and you had better take it seriously because without us medicine, law, education, politics, religion would all have to do their schtick out in the woods, in the dark and in the cold without running water and toilet paper! Is it worth all that kinda pressure and crap? You bet it is - I would still do it for free - but it is not for everybody. My opinion is that your attitude is just about exactly right. Have a look here: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/William_Mulholland and here: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse That second one might encourage you to pay very close attention in your Statics lectures. You will do just fine, your attitude and thinking are right where they should be......just stay away from being cocky and complacent!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3552.0,"score_ratio":7.7368421053} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3oo87q","c_root_id_B":"e3opymt","created_at_utc_A":1533529954,"created_at_utc_B":1533532244,"score_A":4,"score_B":147,"human_ref_A":"It's normal, you are just starting to make your own criterion and getting hang of things, such a process drains a bit of confidence. But yeah, you have to confront those fears, engineering is not about memorising stuff, it's about your way of thinking and problem solving, both require hard work even if you don't feel like it. Go take that job and rock it, you will learn more about engineering and yourself in the process.","human_ref_B":"I have been doing this shit since 1982 and I am STILL terrified that someone will find me out for the fraud that I am. I own a small engineering company (15 people) and we do about 2.5 million in sales a year. I am licensed as a Civil Engineer in (this is no shit!!) 44 states, DC and (honest to god!) Guam. I have worked on six nuclear power plants, the Space Shuttle and lots of board plants and conventional power plants. I love being an engineer but it's just like jumping out of an airplane.....I love it but it scares the hair off of me. I live in horror of a catastrophic failure, collapse, man slaughter. You are right to experience a sense of a lack of knowledge and experience because it's very real and it gets worse. When you get to be an old son-of-a-bitch like me people believe that you know EVERYTHING! I don't know nothing! My approximations, estimates and flat out guesses have worked so far but for the past 25 years I have had to oversee junior engineers so my exposure to something going bat shit has doubled and tripled and quadrupled. But let's face it....engineering is not a very important profession it is the MOST important profession in all the world and you had better take it seriously because without us medicine, law, education, politics, religion would all have to do their schtick out in the woods, in the dark and in the cold without running water and toilet paper! Is it worth all that kinda pressure and crap? You bet it is - I would still do it for free - but it is not for everybody. My opinion is that your attitude is just about exactly right. Have a look here: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/William_Mulholland and here: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse That second one might encourage you to pay very close attention in your Statics lectures. You will do just fine, your attitude and thinking are right where they should be......just stay away from being cocky and complacent!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2290.0,"score_ratio":36.75} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3opax6","c_root_id_B":"e3opymt","created_at_utc_A":1533531343,"created_at_utc_B":1533532244,"score_A":5,"score_B":147,"human_ref_A":"It is normal to feel that way. Just from my observations but it seems like imposter syndrome is extremely common amongst engineering students so I wouldn't worry much.","human_ref_B":"I have been doing this shit since 1982 and I am STILL terrified that someone will find me out for the fraud that I am. I own a small engineering company (15 people) and we do about 2.5 million in sales a year. I am licensed as a Civil Engineer in (this is no shit!!) 44 states, DC and (honest to god!) Guam. I have worked on six nuclear power plants, the Space Shuttle and lots of board plants and conventional power plants. I love being an engineer but it's just like jumping out of an airplane.....I love it but it scares the hair off of me. I live in horror of a catastrophic failure, collapse, man slaughter. You are right to experience a sense of a lack of knowledge and experience because it's very real and it gets worse. When you get to be an old son-of-a-bitch like me people believe that you know EVERYTHING! I don't know nothing! My approximations, estimates and flat out guesses have worked so far but for the past 25 years I have had to oversee junior engineers so my exposure to something going bat shit has doubled and tripled and quadrupled. But let's face it....engineering is not a very important profession it is the MOST important profession in all the world and you had better take it seriously because without us medicine, law, education, politics, religion would all have to do their schtick out in the woods, in the dark and in the cold without running water and toilet paper! Is it worth all that kinda pressure and crap? You bet it is - I would still do it for free - but it is not for everybody. My opinion is that your attitude is just about exactly right. Have a look here: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/William_Mulholland and here: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse That second one might encourage you to pay very close attention in your Statics lectures. You will do just fine, your attitude and thinking are right where they should be......just stay away from being cocky and complacent!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":901.0,"score_ratio":29.4} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3opymt","c_root_id_B":"e3ooy8h","created_at_utc_A":1533532244,"created_at_utc_B":1533530893,"score_A":147,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I have been doing this shit since 1982 and I am STILL terrified that someone will find me out for the fraud that I am. I own a small engineering company (15 people) and we do about 2.5 million in sales a year. I am licensed as a Civil Engineer in (this is no shit!!) 44 states, DC and (honest to god!) Guam. I have worked on six nuclear power plants, the Space Shuttle and lots of board plants and conventional power plants. I love being an engineer but it's just like jumping out of an airplane.....I love it but it scares the hair off of me. I live in horror of a catastrophic failure, collapse, man slaughter. You are right to experience a sense of a lack of knowledge and experience because it's very real and it gets worse. When you get to be an old son-of-a-bitch like me people believe that you know EVERYTHING! I don't know nothing! My approximations, estimates and flat out guesses have worked so far but for the past 25 years I have had to oversee junior engineers so my exposure to something going bat shit has doubled and tripled and quadrupled. But let's face it....engineering is not a very important profession it is the MOST important profession in all the world and you had better take it seriously because without us medicine, law, education, politics, religion would all have to do their schtick out in the woods, in the dark and in the cold without running water and toilet paper! Is it worth all that kinda pressure and crap? You bet it is - I would still do it for free - but it is not for everybody. My opinion is that your attitude is just about exactly right. Have a look here: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/William_Mulholland and here: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse That second one might encourage you to pay very close attention in your Statics lectures. You will do just fine, your attitude and thinking are right where they should be......just stay away from being cocky and complacent!","human_ref_B":"Completely normal man. You're not expected to know anything.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1351.0,"score_ratio":49.0} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3on7pu","c_root_id_B":"e3oncm4","created_at_utc_A":1533528692,"created_at_utc_B":1533528864,"score_A":19,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"It's normal you'll be useless for the first year, and it's unlikely you can generate significant value for any business you work at early on. This affects a lot of professions, not just engineering grads which is why companies in general want to retain you as long as possible to offset this sunk cost of training you. Best advice - listen, learn, ask questions, ask for help, and don't be an obnoxious know it all. Communication and humility is key.","human_ref_B":"This has been me just about every day of my 11+ year career. It always seems like everyone else knows what they are doing. Only thing I can do to make myself feel better is be logical and realize that I have done well and have gotten good performance appraisals.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":172.0,"score_ratio":2.4736842105} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3on7pu","c_root_id_B":"e3onhx7","created_at_utc_A":1533528692,"created_at_utc_B":1533529049,"score_A":19,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"It's normal you'll be useless for the first year, and it's unlikely you can generate significant value for any business you work at early on. This affects a lot of professions, not just engineering grads which is why companies in general want to retain you as long as possible to offset this sunk cost of training you. Best advice - listen, learn, ask questions, ask for help, and don't be an obnoxious know it all. Communication and humility is key.","human_ref_B":"It's far better to feel like a fraud than a know-it-all. You'll do fine long-term.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":357.0,"score_ratio":1.3157894737} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3os26e","c_root_id_B":"e3oo87q","created_at_utc_A":1533535474,"created_at_utc_B":1533529954,"score_A":10,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Yes, this is normal. What's interesting is that at some point in your career, you will flip over to being more of an authority than an \"imposter\", but it is hard to pinpoint when that actually happens. There is always more to learn, but I have gotten to a point in my career where I am the guy in the company who everyone turns to for their technical advice. It is a good feeling to know that you have \"made it\" and become the apparent authority on your topic. I still find the need to reach out and discuss technical details with my colleagues, but I now have a level of complete comfort in my work and that my calculations are on target. BTW, I am 16+ years into my career, so you do have a bit of a way to reach this point. Best of luck, Sol Rosenbaum, PE, CEM, CPMP My Blog for Younger Engineers - The Engineering Mentor","human_ref_B":"It's normal, you are just starting to make your own criterion and getting hang of things, such a process drains a bit of confidence. But yeah, you have to confront those fears, engineering is not about memorising stuff, it's about your way of thinking and problem solving, both require hard work even if you don't feel like it. Go take that job and rock it, you will learn more about engineering and yourself in the process.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5520.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3os26e","c_root_id_B":"e3opax6","created_at_utc_A":1533535474,"created_at_utc_B":1533531343,"score_A":10,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Yes, this is normal. What's interesting is that at some point in your career, you will flip over to being more of an authority than an \"imposter\", but it is hard to pinpoint when that actually happens. There is always more to learn, but I have gotten to a point in my career where I am the guy in the company who everyone turns to for their technical advice. It is a good feeling to know that you have \"made it\" and become the apparent authority on your topic. I still find the need to reach out and discuss technical details with my colleagues, but I now have a level of complete comfort in my work and that my calculations are on target. BTW, I am 16+ years into my career, so you do have a bit of a way to reach this point. Best of luck, Sol Rosenbaum, PE, CEM, CPMP My Blog for Younger Engineers - The Engineering Mentor","human_ref_B":"It is normal to feel that way. Just from my observations but it seems like imposter syndrome is extremely common amongst engineering students so I wouldn't worry much.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4131.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3os26e","c_root_id_B":"e3ooy8h","created_at_utc_A":1533535474,"created_at_utc_B":1533530893,"score_A":10,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Yes, this is normal. What's interesting is that at some point in your career, you will flip over to being more of an authority than an \"imposter\", but it is hard to pinpoint when that actually happens. There is always more to learn, but I have gotten to a point in my career where I am the guy in the company who everyone turns to for their technical advice. It is a good feeling to know that you have \"made it\" and become the apparent authority on your topic. I still find the need to reach out and discuss technical details with my colleagues, but I now have a level of complete comfort in my work and that my calculations are on target. BTW, I am 16+ years into my career, so you do have a bit of a way to reach this point. Best of luck, Sol Rosenbaum, PE, CEM, CPMP My Blog for Younger Engineers - The Engineering Mentor","human_ref_B":"Completely normal man. You're not expected to know anything.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4581.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3p4r4l","c_root_id_B":"e3p0w8e","created_at_utc_A":1533558889,"created_at_utc_B":1533552921,"score_A":8,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I see a lot of people suggesting that imposter syndrome is normal, and it totally is, but not what to do about it. You need to find a mentor. The most toxic thing for imposter syndrome is feeling like you have nobody to ask the \"stupid questions\" to and give you honest feedback on your performance. Being able to ask dumb questions without being judged is absolutely critical to your development as an engineer. You also need someone to honestly validate our invalidate your thoughts about your own ability and performance. Some people truly aren't suited for this profession but I don't think those ones are introspective enough to ask Reddit a question like this. I have a feeling a mentor could help you improve in areas you truly lack in and gain the confidence you need right now.","human_ref_B":"I work in nuclear as a tooling engineer for 2 years. I thought that feeling would subside...it doesn't really! Lol. I walked into a room full of technicians who wanted me to find a solution to help them rebuild some cathodes. They've been here 15+ years, been working with these cathodes for 10+ years, and yet they all stood there waiting for me to come up with a solution like I'm some sort of authority. NEVERMIND I had only seen the thing a mere 10 minutes before! In the end i hired an outside engineer, told him what I thought he should do with a crude pencil sketch of what I thought it should look like, and let him take it from there. Ya, we're all faking it to a degree, lol.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5968.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3p4r4l","c_root_id_B":"e3oo87q","created_at_utc_A":1533558889,"created_at_utc_B":1533529954,"score_A":8,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I see a lot of people suggesting that imposter syndrome is normal, and it totally is, but not what to do about it. You need to find a mentor. The most toxic thing for imposter syndrome is feeling like you have nobody to ask the \"stupid questions\" to and give you honest feedback on your performance. Being able to ask dumb questions without being judged is absolutely critical to your development as an engineer. You also need someone to honestly validate our invalidate your thoughts about your own ability and performance. Some people truly aren't suited for this profession but I don't think those ones are introspective enough to ask Reddit a question like this. I have a feeling a mentor could help you improve in areas you truly lack in and gain the confidence you need right now.","human_ref_B":"It's normal, you are just starting to make your own criterion and getting hang of things, such a process drains a bit of confidence. But yeah, you have to confront those fears, engineering is not about memorising stuff, it's about your way of thinking and problem solving, both require hard work even if you don't feel like it. Go take that job and rock it, you will learn more about engineering and yourself in the process.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":28935.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3p4r4l","c_root_id_B":"e3opax6","created_at_utc_A":1533558889,"created_at_utc_B":1533531343,"score_A":8,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I see a lot of people suggesting that imposter syndrome is normal, and it totally is, but not what to do about it. You need to find a mentor. The most toxic thing for imposter syndrome is feeling like you have nobody to ask the \"stupid questions\" to and give you honest feedback on your performance. Being able to ask dumb questions without being judged is absolutely critical to your development as an engineer. You also need someone to honestly validate our invalidate your thoughts about your own ability and performance. Some people truly aren't suited for this profession but I don't think those ones are introspective enough to ask Reddit a question like this. I have a feeling a mentor could help you improve in areas you truly lack in and gain the confidence you need right now.","human_ref_B":"It is normal to feel that way. Just from my observations but it seems like imposter syndrome is extremely common amongst engineering students so I wouldn't worry much.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27546.0,"score_ratio":1.6} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3p4r4l","c_root_id_B":"e3ooy8h","created_at_utc_A":1533558889,"created_at_utc_B":1533530893,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I see a lot of people suggesting that imposter syndrome is normal, and it totally is, but not what to do about it. You need to find a mentor. The most toxic thing for imposter syndrome is feeling like you have nobody to ask the \"stupid questions\" to and give you honest feedback on your performance. Being able to ask dumb questions without being judged is absolutely critical to your development as an engineer. You also need someone to honestly validate our invalidate your thoughts about your own ability and performance. Some people truly aren't suited for this profession but I don't think those ones are introspective enough to ask Reddit a question like this. I have a feeling a mentor could help you improve in areas you truly lack in and gain the confidence you need right now.","human_ref_B":"Completely normal man. You're not expected to know anything.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27996.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3osc1e","c_root_id_B":"e3p4r4l","created_at_utc_A":1533535935,"created_at_utc_B":1533558889,"score_A":2,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"What you are describing is true... I have trained several engineering interns and what they learned is \\*not directly\\* useful or profitable for the company. What the interns learn at the university is only useful to companies in that it serves as the \\*foundation\\* to build upon at the job. You will likely be given grunt level engineering work to do, sort of like in Karate Kid training. But in doing those seemingly low level jobs, the company will teach you higher and higher levels of relevancy.","human_ref_B":"I see a lot of people suggesting that imposter syndrome is normal, and it totally is, but not what to do about it. You need to find a mentor. The most toxic thing for imposter syndrome is feeling like you have nobody to ask the \"stupid questions\" to and give you honest feedback on your performance. Being able to ask dumb questions without being judged is absolutely critical to your development as an engineer. You also need someone to honestly validate our invalidate your thoughts about your own ability and performance. Some people truly aren't suited for this profession but I don't think those ones are introspective enough to ask Reddit a question like this. I have a feeling a mentor could help you improve in areas you truly lack in and gain the confidence you need right now.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22954.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3p4r4l","c_root_id_B":"e3p31gg","created_at_utc_A":1533558889,"created_at_utc_B":1533556510,"score_A":8,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I see a lot of people suggesting that imposter syndrome is normal, and it totally is, but not what to do about it. You need to find a mentor. The most toxic thing for imposter syndrome is feeling like you have nobody to ask the \"stupid questions\" to and give you honest feedback on your performance. Being able to ask dumb questions without being judged is absolutely critical to your development as an engineer. You also need someone to honestly validate our invalidate your thoughts about your own ability and performance. Some people truly aren't suited for this profession but I don't think those ones are introspective enough to ask Reddit a question like this. I have a feeling a mentor could help you improve in areas you truly lack in and gain the confidence you need right now.","human_ref_B":"As per wikipedia, this is the definition of an intern: the position of a student or trainee who works in an organization, sometimes without pay, in order to gain work experience or satisfy requirements for a qualification. Under this definition, you should be considering what areas you\u2019d like to learn about in your internship and not how you\u2019ll give something back to the company. People in charge of interns will be aware they\u2019re not full blown engineers but will have basic knowledge that will allow them to be productive in certain areas whilst being trained in others. I would worry mostly on lining up my interests with an internship instead of freaking out about being productive.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2379.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3p4r4l","c_root_id_B":"e3p4otq","created_at_utc_A":1533558889,"created_at_utc_B":1533558805,"score_A":8,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I see a lot of people suggesting that imposter syndrome is normal, and it totally is, but not what to do about it. You need to find a mentor. The most toxic thing for imposter syndrome is feeling like you have nobody to ask the \"stupid questions\" to and give you honest feedback on your performance. Being able to ask dumb questions without being judged is absolutely critical to your development as an engineer. You also need someone to honestly validate our invalidate your thoughts about your own ability and performance. Some people truly aren't suited for this profession but I don't think those ones are introspective enough to ask Reddit a question like this. I have a feeling a mentor could help you improve in areas you truly lack in and gain the confidence you need right now.","human_ref_B":"Total normal paranoia. Everyone feels the same way all the time. 10 years experience as an HVAC tech here, I still get that feeling whenever I run into a machine I've never seen before. Just bury that feeling down deep and muddle through!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":84.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3oo87q","c_root_id_B":"e3p0w8e","created_at_utc_A":1533529954,"created_at_utc_B":1533552921,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"It's normal, you are just starting to make your own criterion and getting hang of things, such a process drains a bit of confidence. But yeah, you have to confront those fears, engineering is not about memorising stuff, it's about your way of thinking and problem solving, both require hard work even if you don't feel like it. Go take that job and rock it, you will learn more about engineering and yourself in the process.","human_ref_B":"I work in nuclear as a tooling engineer for 2 years. I thought that feeling would subside...it doesn't really! Lol. I walked into a room full of technicians who wanted me to find a solution to help them rebuild some cathodes. They've been here 15+ years, been working with these cathodes for 10+ years, and yet they all stood there waiting for me to come up with a solution like I'm some sort of authority. NEVERMIND I had only seen the thing a mere 10 minutes before! In the end i hired an outside engineer, told him what I thought he should do with a crude pencil sketch of what I thought it should look like, and let him take it from there. Ya, we're all faking it to a degree, lol.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22967.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3opax6","c_root_id_B":"e3p0w8e","created_at_utc_A":1533531343,"created_at_utc_B":1533552921,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"It is normal to feel that way. Just from my observations but it seems like imposter syndrome is extremely common amongst engineering students so I wouldn't worry much.","human_ref_B":"I work in nuclear as a tooling engineer for 2 years. I thought that feeling would subside...it doesn't really! Lol. I walked into a room full of technicians who wanted me to find a solution to help them rebuild some cathodes. They've been here 15+ years, been working with these cathodes for 10+ years, and yet they all stood there waiting for me to come up with a solution like I'm some sort of authority. NEVERMIND I had only seen the thing a mere 10 minutes before! In the end i hired an outside engineer, told him what I thought he should do with a crude pencil sketch of what I thought it should look like, and let him take it from there. Ya, we're all faking it to a degree, lol.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21578.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3p0w8e","c_root_id_B":"e3ooy8h","created_at_utc_A":1533552921,"created_at_utc_B":1533530893,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work in nuclear as a tooling engineer for 2 years. I thought that feeling would subside...it doesn't really! Lol. I walked into a room full of technicians who wanted me to find a solution to help them rebuild some cathodes. They've been here 15+ years, been working with these cathodes for 10+ years, and yet they all stood there waiting for me to come up with a solution like I'm some sort of authority. NEVERMIND I had only seen the thing a mere 10 minutes before! In the end i hired an outside engineer, told him what I thought he should do with a crude pencil sketch of what I thought it should look like, and let him take it from there. Ya, we're all faking it to a degree, lol.","human_ref_B":"Completely normal man. You're not expected to know anything.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22028.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3osc1e","c_root_id_B":"e3p0w8e","created_at_utc_A":1533535935,"created_at_utc_B":1533552921,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"What you are describing is true... I have trained several engineering interns and what they learned is \\*not directly\\* useful or profitable for the company. What the interns learn at the university is only useful to companies in that it serves as the \\*foundation\\* to build upon at the job. You will likely be given grunt level engineering work to do, sort of like in Karate Kid training. But in doing those seemingly low level jobs, the company will teach you higher and higher levels of relevancy.","human_ref_B":"I work in nuclear as a tooling engineer for 2 years. I thought that feeling would subside...it doesn't really! Lol. I walked into a room full of technicians who wanted me to find a solution to help them rebuild some cathodes. They've been here 15+ years, been working with these cathodes for 10+ years, and yet they all stood there waiting for me to come up with a solution like I'm some sort of authority. NEVERMIND I had only seen the thing a mere 10 minutes before! In the end i hired an outside engineer, told him what I thought he should do with a crude pencil sketch of what I thought it should look like, and let him take it from there. Ya, we're all faking it to a degree, lol.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16986.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3oo87q","c_root_id_B":"e3pcoce","created_at_utc_A":1533529954,"created_at_utc_B":1533567357,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"It's normal, you are just starting to make your own criterion and getting hang of things, such a process drains a bit of confidence. But yeah, you have to confront those fears, engineering is not about memorising stuff, it's about your way of thinking and problem solving, both require hard work even if you don't feel like it. Go take that job and rock it, you will learn more about engineering and yourself in the process.","human_ref_B":"I've been doing this 13 years. I still start every project by trying to figure out if someone can show me how to do it or if I'm supposed to be coming up with a method on my own. Ask how to do it. If they show you, then you learn from them. If they tell you to figure it out on your own, it's probably because they don't know either and one of you is going to have to spend some time figuring it out. That is what you are there for. To frame the problem, make necessary assumptions and define a method that leads to a solution. Usually that takes some research.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":37403.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3opax6","c_root_id_B":"e3pcoce","created_at_utc_A":1533531343,"created_at_utc_B":1533567357,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"It is normal to feel that way. Just from my observations but it seems like imposter syndrome is extremely common amongst engineering students so I wouldn't worry much.","human_ref_B":"I've been doing this 13 years. I still start every project by trying to figure out if someone can show me how to do it or if I'm supposed to be coming up with a method on my own. Ask how to do it. If they show you, then you learn from them. If they tell you to figure it out on your own, it's probably because they don't know either and one of you is going to have to spend some time figuring it out. That is what you are there for. To frame the problem, make necessary assumptions and define a method that leads to a solution. Usually that takes some research.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":36014.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3pcoce","c_root_id_B":"e3ooy8h","created_at_utc_A":1533567357,"created_at_utc_B":1533530893,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I've been doing this 13 years. I still start every project by trying to figure out if someone can show me how to do it or if I'm supposed to be coming up with a method on my own. Ask how to do it. If they show you, then you learn from them. If they tell you to figure it out on your own, it's probably because they don't know either and one of you is going to have to spend some time figuring it out. That is what you are there for. To frame the problem, make necessary assumptions and define a method that leads to a solution. Usually that takes some research.","human_ref_B":"Completely normal man. You're not expected to know anything.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":36464.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3pcoce","c_root_id_B":"e3osc1e","created_at_utc_A":1533567357,"created_at_utc_B":1533535935,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I've been doing this 13 years. I still start every project by trying to figure out if someone can show me how to do it or if I'm supposed to be coming up with a method on my own. Ask how to do it. If they show you, then you learn from them. If they tell you to figure it out on your own, it's probably because they don't know either and one of you is going to have to spend some time figuring it out. That is what you are there for. To frame the problem, make necessary assumptions and define a method that leads to a solution. Usually that takes some research.","human_ref_B":"What you are describing is true... I have trained several engineering interns and what they learned is \\*not directly\\* useful or profitable for the company. What the interns learn at the university is only useful to companies in that it serves as the \\*foundation\\* to build upon at the job. You will likely be given grunt level engineering work to do, sort of like in Karate Kid training. But in doing those seemingly low level jobs, the company will teach you higher and higher levels of relevancy.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":31422.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3pcoce","c_root_id_B":"e3p31gg","created_at_utc_A":1533567357,"created_at_utc_B":1533556510,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I've been doing this 13 years. I still start every project by trying to figure out if someone can show me how to do it or if I'm supposed to be coming up with a method on my own. Ask how to do it. If they show you, then you learn from them. If they tell you to figure it out on your own, it's probably because they don't know either and one of you is going to have to spend some time figuring it out. That is what you are there for. To frame the problem, make necessary assumptions and define a method that leads to a solution. Usually that takes some research.","human_ref_B":"As per wikipedia, this is the definition of an intern: the position of a student or trainee who works in an organization, sometimes without pay, in order to gain work experience or satisfy requirements for a qualification. Under this definition, you should be considering what areas you\u2019d like to learn about in your internship and not how you\u2019ll give something back to the company. People in charge of interns will be aware they\u2019re not full blown engineers but will have basic knowledge that will allow them to be productive in certain areas whilst being trained in others. I would worry mostly on lining up my interests with an internship instead of freaking out about being productive.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10847.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3p4otq","c_root_id_B":"e3pcoce","created_at_utc_A":1533558805,"created_at_utc_B":1533567357,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Total normal paranoia. Everyone feels the same way all the time. 10 years experience as an HVAC tech here, I still get that feeling whenever I run into a machine I've never seen before. Just bury that feeling down deep and muddle through!","human_ref_B":"I've been doing this 13 years. I still start every project by trying to figure out if someone can show me how to do it or if I'm supposed to be coming up with a method on my own. Ask how to do it. If they show you, then you learn from them. If they tell you to figure it out on your own, it's probably because they don't know either and one of you is going to have to spend some time figuring it out. That is what you are there for. To frame the problem, make necessary assumptions and define a method that leads to a solution. Usually that takes some research.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8552.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3pcoce","c_root_id_B":"e3p635z","created_at_utc_A":1533567357,"created_at_utc_B":1533560564,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I've been doing this 13 years. I still start every project by trying to figure out if someone can show me how to do it or if I'm supposed to be coming up with a method on my own. Ask how to do it. If they show you, then you learn from them. If they tell you to figure it out on your own, it's probably because they don't know either and one of you is going to have to spend some time figuring it out. That is what you are there for. To frame the problem, make necessary assumptions and define a method that leads to a solution. Usually that takes some research.","human_ref_B":"Get a notebook and write everything you think is important down. You arn't expected to know anything, but it sure looks good when people tell\/show you something once and don't have to ask again. Also, these notes may be useful in a few years if you find yourself in a similar role.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6793.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3pcoce","c_root_id_B":"e3p72mm","created_at_utc_A":1533567357,"created_at_utc_B":1533561718,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I've been doing this 13 years. I still start every project by trying to figure out if someone can show me how to do it or if I'm supposed to be coming up with a method on my own. Ask how to do it. If they show you, then you learn from them. If they tell you to figure it out on your own, it's probably because they don't know either and one of you is going to have to spend some time figuring it out. That is what you are there for. To frame the problem, make necessary assumptions and define a method that leads to a solution. Usually that takes some research.","human_ref_B":"The internship is for you to learn. You're not supposed to know everything at this point in your schooling. You're not alone. I've been working for 5 years and I still feel like I dont know what I'm doing sometimes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5639.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3opax6","c_root_id_B":"e3oo87q","created_at_utc_A":1533531343,"created_at_utc_B":1533529954,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"It is normal to feel that way. Just from my observations but it seems like imposter syndrome is extremely common amongst engineering students so I wouldn't worry much.","human_ref_B":"It's normal, you are just starting to make your own criterion and getting hang of things, such a process drains a bit of confidence. But yeah, you have to confront those fears, engineering is not about memorising stuff, it's about your way of thinking and problem solving, both require hard work even if you don't feel like it. Go take that job and rock it, you will learn more about engineering and yourself in the process.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1389.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3ooy8h","c_root_id_B":"e3opax6","created_at_utc_A":1533530893,"created_at_utc_B":1533531343,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Completely normal man. You're not expected to know anything.","human_ref_B":"It is normal to feel that way. Just from my observations but it seems like imposter syndrome is extremely common amongst engineering students so I wouldn't worry much.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":450.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3pd9ay","c_root_id_B":"e3osc1e","created_at_utc_A":1533567910,"created_at_utc_B":1533535935,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Dunning\u2013Kruger vs. Impostor Syndrome.","human_ref_B":"What you are describing is true... I have trained several engineering interns and what they learned is \\*not directly\\* useful or profitable for the company. What the interns learn at the university is only useful to companies in that it serves as the \\*foundation\\* to build upon at the job. You will likely be given grunt level engineering work to do, sort of like in Karate Kid training. But in doing those seemingly low level jobs, the company will teach you higher and higher levels of relevancy.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":31975.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3pd9ay","c_root_id_B":"e3p31gg","created_at_utc_A":1533567910,"created_at_utc_B":1533556510,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Dunning\u2013Kruger vs. Impostor Syndrome.","human_ref_B":"As per wikipedia, this is the definition of an intern: the position of a student or trainee who works in an organization, sometimes without pay, in order to gain work experience or satisfy requirements for a qualification. Under this definition, you should be considering what areas you\u2019d like to learn about in your internship and not how you\u2019ll give something back to the company. People in charge of interns will be aware they\u2019re not full blown engineers but will have basic knowledge that will allow them to be productive in certain areas whilst being trained in others. I would worry mostly on lining up my interests with an internship instead of freaking out about being productive.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11400.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3pd9ay","c_root_id_B":"e3p4otq","created_at_utc_A":1533567910,"created_at_utc_B":1533558805,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Dunning\u2013Kruger vs. Impostor Syndrome.","human_ref_B":"Total normal paranoia. Everyone feels the same way all the time. 10 years experience as an HVAC tech here, I still get that feeling whenever I run into a machine I've never seen before. Just bury that feeling down deep and muddle through!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9105.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3p635z","c_root_id_B":"e3pd9ay","created_at_utc_A":1533560564,"created_at_utc_B":1533567910,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Get a notebook and write everything you think is important down. You arn't expected to know anything, but it sure looks good when people tell\/show you something once and don't have to ask again. Also, these notes may be useful in a few years if you find yourself in a similar role.","human_ref_B":"Dunning\u2013Kruger vs. Impostor Syndrome.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7346.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3p72mm","c_root_id_B":"e3pd9ay","created_at_utc_A":1533561718,"created_at_utc_B":1533567910,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The internship is for you to learn. You're not supposed to know everything at this point in your schooling. You're not alone. I've been working for 5 years and I still feel like I dont know what I'm doing sometimes.","human_ref_B":"Dunning\u2013Kruger vs. Impostor Syndrome.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6192.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3osc1e","c_root_id_B":"e3qe45n","created_at_utc_A":1533535935,"created_at_utc_B":1533600046,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"What you are describing is true... I have trained several engineering interns and what they learned is \\*not directly\\* useful or profitable for the company. What the interns learn at the university is only useful to companies in that it serves as the \\*foundation\\* to build upon at the job. You will likely be given grunt level engineering work to do, sort of like in Karate Kid training. But in doing those seemingly low level jobs, the company will teach you higher and higher levels of relevancy.","human_ref_B":"The thing that academia doesn't want you to know is that a new grad (and especially intern) doesn't know how to do anything yet. You are expected to show up and do what you are told and try to learn everything you can. In a few years you'll learn enough to figure out how to apply what they taught you in school. I do try to find tasks that are closely related to school work when possible for interns and grads but those tasks are pretty far apart. Show up, ask questions, lean everything you can.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":64111.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3p31gg","c_root_id_B":"e3qe45n","created_at_utc_A":1533556510,"created_at_utc_B":1533600046,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"As per wikipedia, this is the definition of an intern: the position of a student or trainee who works in an organization, sometimes without pay, in order to gain work experience or satisfy requirements for a qualification. Under this definition, you should be considering what areas you\u2019d like to learn about in your internship and not how you\u2019ll give something back to the company. People in charge of interns will be aware they\u2019re not full blown engineers but will have basic knowledge that will allow them to be productive in certain areas whilst being trained in others. I would worry mostly on lining up my interests with an internship instead of freaking out about being productive.","human_ref_B":"The thing that academia doesn't want you to know is that a new grad (and especially intern) doesn't know how to do anything yet. You are expected to show up and do what you are told and try to learn everything you can. In a few years you'll learn enough to figure out how to apply what they taught you in school. I do try to find tasks that are closely related to school work when possible for interns and grads but those tasks are pretty far apart. Show up, ask questions, lean everything you can.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":43536.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3qe45n","c_root_id_B":"e3p4otq","created_at_utc_A":1533600046,"created_at_utc_B":1533558805,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"The thing that academia doesn't want you to know is that a new grad (and especially intern) doesn't know how to do anything yet. You are expected to show up and do what you are told and try to learn everything you can. In a few years you'll learn enough to figure out how to apply what they taught you in school. I do try to find tasks that are closely related to school work when possible for interns and grads but those tasks are pretty far apart. Show up, ask questions, lean everything you can.","human_ref_B":"Total normal paranoia. Everyone feels the same way all the time. 10 years experience as an HVAC tech here, I still get that feeling whenever I run into a machine I've never seen before. Just bury that feeling down deep and muddle through!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":41241.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3p635z","c_root_id_B":"e3qe45n","created_at_utc_A":1533560564,"created_at_utc_B":1533600046,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Get a notebook and write everything you think is important down. You arn't expected to know anything, but it sure looks good when people tell\/show you something once and don't have to ask again. Also, these notes may be useful in a few years if you find yourself in a similar role.","human_ref_B":"The thing that academia doesn't want you to know is that a new grad (and especially intern) doesn't know how to do anything yet. You are expected to show up and do what you are told and try to learn everything you can. In a few years you'll learn enough to figure out how to apply what they taught you in school. I do try to find tasks that are closely related to school work when possible for interns and grads but those tasks are pretty far apart. Show up, ask questions, lean everything you can.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":39482.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"94xwry","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is it normal to feel like a fraud? I'm going into my second year electrical engineering at university, and I plan to hopefully get an internship during the summer. But I feel like if I get one, I will have no idea what I'm doing. I've studied a lot and done well in my classes, and I know I know the material, but I can't fight off the thought that I will not be useful at a job or internship and have no clue how to do anything. Is this normal, or is there something wrong with me?","c_root_id_A":"e3qe45n","c_root_id_B":"e3p72mm","created_at_utc_A":1533600046,"created_at_utc_B":1533561718,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"The thing that academia doesn't want you to know is that a new grad (and especially intern) doesn't know how to do anything yet. You are expected to show up and do what you are told and try to learn everything you can. In a few years you'll learn enough to figure out how to apply what they taught you in school. I do try to find tasks that are closely related to school work when possible for interns and grads but those tasks are pretty far apart. Show up, ask questions, lean everything you can.","human_ref_B":"The internship is for you to learn. You're not supposed to know everything at this point in your schooling. You're not alone. I've been working for 5 years and I still feel like I dont know what I'm doing sometimes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":38328.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"rmumsr","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Two teams are trying to convince me to stay. What do I do. Hey guys. I\u2019m a graduate engineer. I have a masters in mech eng. Basically. I\u2019ve worked as a systems engineer in rail for 7 months. They\u2019ve stuck me on mundane asset management work which is literally just simple data entry. I\u2019ve become really irritated with it and I\u2019ve had conversations with another team in building services. They\u2019ve offered me the role. It\u2019ll be as a mechanical design engineer. My team have heard about this. They\u2019re now trying to get me to stay. They\u2019re offering me better work. Better roles. They\u2019ve said they \u2018want to give me a dilemma and a hard decision to make\u2019. I don\u2019t know what to do. I\u2019ve never experienced this kind of thing before. No one\u2019s ever wanted to keep me before. Any advice? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hpodnup","c_root_id_B":"hpoj6i7","created_at_utc_A":1640263488,"created_at_utc_B":1640266724,"score_A":28,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"If your team are trying to put you in a dilemma then move. That kinda bs shouldn't fly anywhere I've a masters in ME too and I'm at a similar point where the work is kinda boring and I've brought up moving in the next few months and was told there's more of the work I'm already doing (and not enjoying) coming in the next while and they want me to handle that... Started looking for new jobs not long after.","human_ref_B":"Swap. Just because they say they will give you better work doesn't mean they will. Ive seen that a dozen times and it rarely ends in your best interest. At best they will give you tidbits of different stuff in addition to your current responsibilities to try and keep you happy but at the end of the day they don't want to lose what you are currently doing. If they didn't they would have given you other tasks at day one.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3236.0,"score_ratio":1.5357142857} +{"post_id":"rmumsr","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Two teams are trying to convince me to stay. What do I do. Hey guys. I\u2019m a graduate engineer. I have a masters in mech eng. Basically. I\u2019ve worked as a systems engineer in rail for 7 months. They\u2019ve stuck me on mundane asset management work which is literally just simple data entry. I\u2019ve become really irritated with it and I\u2019ve had conversations with another team in building services. They\u2019ve offered me the role. It\u2019ll be as a mechanical design engineer. My team have heard about this. They\u2019re now trying to get me to stay. They\u2019re offering me better work. Better roles. They\u2019ve said they \u2018want to give me a dilemma and a hard decision to make\u2019. I don\u2019t know what to do. I\u2019ve never experienced this kind of thing before. No one\u2019s ever wanted to keep me before. Any advice? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hpoi3lt","c_root_id_B":"hpoj6i7","created_at_utc_A":1640266130,"created_at_utc_B":1640266724,"score_A":7,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"Which job offer pays more? Barring a burning passion for either field, I would go with that as money generally correlates with how well you're treated at work.","human_ref_B":"Swap. Just because they say they will give you better work doesn't mean they will. Ive seen that a dozen times and it rarely ends in your best interest. At best they will give you tidbits of different stuff in addition to your current responsibilities to try and keep you happy but at the end of the day they don't want to lose what you are currently doing. If they didn't they would have given you other tasks at day one.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":594.0,"score_ratio":6.1428571429} +{"post_id":"rmumsr","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Two teams are trying to convince me to stay. What do I do. Hey guys. I\u2019m a graduate engineer. I have a masters in mech eng. Basically. I\u2019ve worked as a systems engineer in rail for 7 months. They\u2019ve stuck me on mundane asset management work which is literally just simple data entry. I\u2019ve become really irritated with it and I\u2019ve had conversations with another team in building services. They\u2019ve offered me the role. It\u2019ll be as a mechanical design engineer. My team have heard about this. They\u2019re now trying to get me to stay. They\u2019re offering me better work. Better roles. They\u2019ve said they \u2018want to give me a dilemma and a hard decision to make\u2019. I don\u2019t know what to do. I\u2019ve never experienced this kind of thing before. No one\u2019s ever wanted to keep me before. Any advice? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hpoubwy","c_root_id_B":"hppa4ky","created_at_utc_A":1640272194,"created_at_utc_B":1640278975,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"They want to give you a dilemma and hard decision to make? That sounds like they deliberately tried to create more frustation for you. That means you should go with the other team. Also, they are lying. They never do that. They just say that to get you to stay.","human_ref_B":"Make the move. From a managers perspective, they don\u2019t care about engineers getting rewarding projects. Just that the work gets done. And most of the work is mundane crap. They won\u2019t find you something cool to do, because the job at its core is dumb data entry. It\u2019ll be a pet project that won\u2019t actually amount to anything. Source: in your exact scenario. Also have a BS and MS in Mech Eng.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6781.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"rmumsr","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Two teams are trying to convince me to stay. What do I do. Hey guys. I\u2019m a graduate engineer. I have a masters in mech eng. Basically. I\u2019ve worked as a systems engineer in rail for 7 months. They\u2019ve stuck me on mundane asset management work which is literally just simple data entry. I\u2019ve become really irritated with it and I\u2019ve had conversations with another team in building services. They\u2019ve offered me the role. It\u2019ll be as a mechanical design engineer. My team have heard about this. They\u2019re now trying to get me to stay. They\u2019re offering me better work. Better roles. They\u2019ve said they \u2018want to give me a dilemma and a hard decision to make\u2019. I don\u2019t know what to do. I\u2019ve never experienced this kind of thing before. No one\u2019s ever wanted to keep me before. Any advice? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hpoubwy","c_root_id_B":"hpons35","created_at_utc_A":1640272194,"created_at_utc_B":1640269123,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"They want to give you a dilemma and hard decision to make? That sounds like they deliberately tried to create more frustation for you. That means you should go with the other team. Also, they are lying. They never do that. They just say that to get you to stay.","human_ref_B":"MEng with 10 years exp over 7 companies. Kinda tough, because HVAC is a side of ME that you could find difficult to transfer out of. If it sounds like interesting work, then go for it. Your current manager has not done a good job reacting timely to your request. If you wanted to stay, I\u2019d suggest very directly asking to stop doing the asset management role immediately and make sure there is a plan, not a promise, to make this happen. Don\u2019t expect much growth from your manager, if they aren\u2019t doing a good job responding to your requests now, it wont get better. There are great managers and great projects, expect great for yourself.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3071.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"rmumsr","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Two teams are trying to convince me to stay. What do I do. Hey guys. I\u2019m a graduate engineer. I have a masters in mech eng. Basically. I\u2019ve worked as a systems engineer in rail for 7 months. They\u2019ve stuck me on mundane asset management work which is literally just simple data entry. I\u2019ve become really irritated with it and I\u2019ve had conversations with another team in building services. They\u2019ve offered me the role. It\u2019ll be as a mechanical design engineer. My team have heard about this. They\u2019re now trying to get me to stay. They\u2019re offering me better work. Better roles. They\u2019ve said they \u2018want to give me a dilemma and a hard decision to make\u2019. I don\u2019t know what to do. I\u2019ve never experienced this kind of thing before. No one\u2019s ever wanted to keep me before. Any advice? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hpoubwy","c_root_id_B":"hpoqs18","created_at_utc_A":1640272194,"created_at_utc_B":1640270554,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"They want to give you a dilemma and hard decision to make? That sounds like they deliberately tried to create more frustation for you. That means you should go with the other team. Also, they are lying. They never do that. They just say that to get you to stay.","human_ref_B":"Unless they birthed you, you birthed them or your trying to give birth to someone with them, they don't matter and their opinions don't matter. Do what you need for your own family.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1640.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"rmumsr","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Two teams are trying to convince me to stay. What do I do. Hey guys. I\u2019m a graduate engineer. I have a masters in mech eng. Basically. I\u2019ve worked as a systems engineer in rail for 7 months. They\u2019ve stuck me on mundane asset management work which is literally just simple data entry. I\u2019ve become really irritated with it and I\u2019ve had conversations with another team in building services. They\u2019ve offered me the role. It\u2019ll be as a mechanical design engineer. My team have heard about this. They\u2019re now trying to get me to stay. They\u2019re offering me better work. Better roles. They\u2019ve said they \u2018want to give me a dilemma and a hard decision to make\u2019. I don\u2019t know what to do. I\u2019ve never experienced this kind of thing before. No one\u2019s ever wanted to keep me before. Any advice? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hpp5uem","c_root_id_B":"hppa4ky","created_at_utc_A":1640277194,"created_at_utc_B":1640278975,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Just take both jobs. You can only come out on top that way. But seriously. Who's gonna do your current job once you stayed. I have a feeling it's probably gonna be you.","human_ref_B":"Make the move. From a managers perspective, they don\u2019t care about engineers getting rewarding projects. Just that the work gets done. And most of the work is mundane crap. They won\u2019t find you something cool to do, because the job at its core is dumb data entry. It\u2019ll be a pet project that won\u2019t actually amount to anything. Source: in your exact scenario. 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No one\u2019s ever wanted to keep me before. Any advice? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hpons35","c_root_id_B":"hppa4ky","created_at_utc_A":1640269123,"created_at_utc_B":1640278975,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"MEng with 10 years exp over 7 companies. Kinda tough, because HVAC is a side of ME that you could find difficult to transfer out of. If it sounds like interesting work, then go for it. Your current manager has not done a good job reacting timely to your request. If you wanted to stay, I\u2019d suggest very directly asking to stop doing the asset management role immediately and make sure there is a plan, not a promise, to make this happen. Don\u2019t expect much growth from your manager, if they aren\u2019t doing a good job responding to your requests now, it wont get better. There are great managers and great projects, expect great for yourself.","human_ref_B":"Make the move. From a managers perspective, they don\u2019t care about engineers getting rewarding projects. Just that the work gets done. And most of the work is mundane crap. They won\u2019t find you something cool to do, because the job at its core is dumb data entry. It\u2019ll be a pet project that won\u2019t actually amount to anything. Source: in your exact scenario. Also have a BS and MS in Mech Eng.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9852.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"rmumsr","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Two teams are trying to convince me to stay. What do I do. Hey guys. I\u2019m a graduate engineer. I have a masters in mech eng. Basically. I\u2019ve worked as a systems engineer in rail for 7 months. They\u2019ve stuck me on mundane asset management work which is literally just simple data entry. I\u2019ve become really irritated with it and I\u2019ve had conversations with another team in building services. They\u2019ve offered me the role. It\u2019ll be as a mechanical design engineer. My team have heard about this. They\u2019re now trying to get me to stay. They\u2019re offering me better work. Better roles. They\u2019ve said they \u2018want to give me a dilemma and a hard decision to make\u2019. I don\u2019t know what to do. I\u2019ve never experienced this kind of thing before. No one\u2019s ever wanted to keep me before. Any advice? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hppa4ky","c_root_id_B":"hpoqs18","created_at_utc_A":1640278975,"created_at_utc_B":1640270554,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Make the move. From a managers perspective, they don\u2019t care about engineers getting rewarding projects. Just that the work gets done. And most of the work is mundane crap. They won\u2019t find you something cool to do, because the job at its core is dumb data entry. It\u2019ll be a pet project that won\u2019t actually amount to anything. Source: in your exact scenario. Also have a BS and MS in Mech Eng.","human_ref_B":"Unless they birthed you, you birthed them or your trying to give birth to someone with them, they don't matter and their opinions don't matter. Do what you need for your own family.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8421.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"rmumsr","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Two teams are trying to convince me to stay. What do I do. Hey guys. I\u2019m a graduate engineer. I have a masters in mech eng. Basically. I\u2019ve worked as a systems engineer in rail for 7 months. They\u2019ve stuck me on mundane asset management work which is literally just simple data entry. I\u2019ve become really irritated with it and I\u2019ve had conversations with another team in building services. They\u2019ve offered me the role. It\u2019ll be as a mechanical design engineer. My team have heard about this. They\u2019re now trying to get me to stay. They\u2019re offering me better work. Better roles. They\u2019ve said they \u2018want to give me a dilemma and a hard decision to make\u2019. I don\u2019t know what to do. I\u2019ve never experienced this kind of thing before. No one\u2019s ever wanted to keep me before. Any advice? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hpons35","c_root_id_B":"hpp5uem","created_at_utc_A":1640269123,"created_at_utc_B":1640277194,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"MEng with 10 years exp over 7 companies. Kinda tough, because HVAC is a side of ME that you could find difficult to transfer out of. If it sounds like interesting work, then go for it. Your current manager has not done a good job reacting timely to your request. If you wanted to stay, I\u2019d suggest very directly asking to stop doing the asset management role immediately and make sure there is a plan, not a promise, to make this happen. Don\u2019t expect much growth from your manager, if they aren\u2019t doing a good job responding to your requests now, it wont get better. 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They\u2019re offering me better work. Better roles. They\u2019ve said they \u2018want to give me a dilemma and a hard decision to make\u2019. I don\u2019t know what to do. I\u2019ve never experienced this kind of thing before. No one\u2019s ever wanted to keep me before. Any advice? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hpp5uem","c_root_id_B":"hpoqs18","created_at_utc_A":1640277194,"created_at_utc_B":1640270554,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Just take both jobs. You can only come out on top that way. But seriously. Who's gonna do your current job once you stayed. I have a feeling it's probably gonna be you.","human_ref_B":"Unless they birthed you, you birthed them or your trying to give birth to someone with them, they don't matter and their opinions don't matter. Do what you need for your own family.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6640.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"rmumsr","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Two teams are trying to convince me to stay. 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But it helps to understand what solutions \"should\" look like from simulators in a general sense from the intuitive knowledge gained from repeated exercises in advanced math. Simulators get messed up pretty easily from mistaken inputs and you can catch when something doesn't look as expected better. So study up.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":259.0,"score_ratio":12.0} +{"post_id":"a85fkx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Engineers, what is the most \"advanced\" formula that you have used in a calculation at work? 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It is the basic building block for all finite element methods, which is thus the basis for developing all my solid mechanics, heat transfer, and some of my fluid mechanics codes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4406.0,"score_ratio":2.6296296296} +{"post_id":"a85fkx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Engineers, what is the most \"advanced\" formula that you have used in a calculation at work? What did you use it for?","c_root_id_A":"ec857ud","c_root_id_B":"ec89ypz","created_at_utc_A":1545361443,"created_at_utc_B":1545365892,"score_A":20,"score_B":71,"human_ref_A":"Simplified potential energy clock model to model structural relaxation in glass. Simplified is a misnomer. 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One boss was amazed when I calculated the cut material from a circular tank that was partially set into a hillside. Conic section, basically. On another project, my PM, my intern, and I worked out the relationship between length of sheet metal of a known thickness to the diameter of a coil, since that is how it is delivered and stored.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2005.0,"score_ratio":7.8888888889} +{"post_id":"a85fkx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Engineers, what is the most \"advanced\" formula that you have used in a calculation at work? 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Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9eqmo","c_root_id_B":"ek9axf3","created_at_utc_A":1554573284,"created_at_utc_B":1554570609,"score_A":35,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"We send engineers out for a weeks rotation once a year to do manufacturing floor work. Does wonders for communication and team building.","human_ref_B":"Why are the technicians being ignored by engineers? Do the engineers view themselves as superior and don't want to bother interacting? Or are the engineers so busy that they don't have time to answer questions because they know it will result in them falling behind their own tasks. The second is the reason why I ignore many people's requests. I'm not a bad person but I am a busy person. If I answer and help everyone I would never sleep or see my family. My solution for that is that management should hire more people.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2675.0,"score_ratio":1.5909090909} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9eqmo","c_root_id_B":"ek9beho","created_at_utc_A":1554573284,"created_at_utc_B":1554570930,"score_A":35,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"We send engineers out for a weeks rotation once a year to do manufacturing floor work. Does wonders for communication and team building.","human_ref_B":"I started out as a tech now I'm much closer to an engineer. In my experience, there needs to be a dedicated position that bridges the gap. Someone who can sit in the engineering and production meetings, order parts for the techs, supervise them, guide them, connect them with other resources, and act as a two way conduit of information between the techs and engineers. These are the the first responders and the guys actually turning the screws, they deserve respect. Where I interned that position was a lead technician, where I work now we have an engineering supervisor. The management\/technical split of the position can vary based on the number of techs that they would be managing, but it is necessary in my opinion.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2354.0,"score_ratio":2.0588235294} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9dl5g","c_root_id_B":"ek9eqmo","created_at_utc_A":1554572467,"created_at_utc_B":1554573284,"score_A":10,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"Graduated recently with marine engineering degree But working as a test tech on nuclear submarines and we have the issue you\u2019re describing to the Nth degree. -many mechanical engineers that do not understand the physical application (and sometimes location lol) of the equipment they\u2019re designing. E.g. designing a test equipment 74k that has valves that literally cannot fit space required to test the component or system. -a lot of engineers at my company have a very different work environment from the techs so they\u2019re pretty scared about interfacing directly or finding out who is the system expert and not just the supervisory point of contact (blue collar vs white collar issue). Really just the classic lack of interpersonal skills. This is the most important part. -Knowing who is the real expert is (e.g. 40+ year of HM&E work) is valuable vs who\u2019s the loudest about giving an opinion because I\u2019ve found the real value is determining who is the expert and then bouncing ideas off them directly because they will not only give you direct ideas but they\u2019ll give you a valuable perspective as in, \u201coh we tried that idea thirty years ago and it failed but reason x y z\u201d or \u201cwe used to do that until that vendor went out of business\u201d I realize the issue with some techs is they\u2019re experts that normally are not the best at extrapolating. But there is a real untapped value if you can take the time to find seasoned hands-on experts for the systems and annoy them with questions they usually genuinely love to be heard by the engineer and will go out of their way to show you examples. The two years I\u2019ve worked here has been WAY more valuable than the four years of college and if you take the time to listen to them it\u2019s humbling what the experts have to teach.","human_ref_B":"We send engineers out for a weeks rotation once a year to do manufacturing floor work. Does wonders for communication and team building.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":817.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9b90b","c_root_id_B":"ek9eqmo","created_at_utc_A":1554570829,"created_at_utc_B":1554573284,"score_A":9,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"As an engineer I make sure to buy my techs the tools they need. Even if it might not be the most cost effective way, it buys goodwill and gets them to give extra effort on my projects. It also makes it so they're willing to do a bit of design work with me since they know if there's anything easier way to do something, but it might need a little investment, in willing to do that, and they'll help me make that change.","human_ref_B":"We send engineers out for a weeks rotation once a year to do manufacturing floor work. Does wonders for communication and team building.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2455.0,"score_ratio":3.8888888889} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9attc","c_root_id_B":"ek9eqmo","created_at_utc_A":1554570541,"created_at_utc_B":1554573284,"score_A":6,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"We had a blurred culture where the chemists and engineers were stirred in with technicians with no recognizable delineation or hierarchical system. This seems to be at the other end of spectrum of your organizational example. The organization is now building layers to help add direct reports\/communication channels, succession planning, and reason for professional development goals. I\u2019m just at this post to listen to others\u2019 comments as I have a direct hand in affecting this change in my organization (an engineer).","human_ref_B":"We send engineers out for a weeks rotation once a year to do manufacturing floor work. Does wonders for communication and team building.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2743.0,"score_ratio":5.8333333333} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9c5tg","c_root_id_B":"ek9eqmo","created_at_utc_A":1554571465,"created_at_utc_B":1554573284,"score_A":2,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"Here the engineers (at least the ones that the ops\/maintenance claim to like) try to take the pain points from the operators and listen. Did we really need to take a 5 run ladder out and put in a staircase - not by any rules\/regulations, but it made it easier for the operator to climb down with a remote crane box, and made the safety department's circle jerk of eliminating ladders happy. Side note: Anyone else's safety department going apeshit with OSHA's change to ladders that doesn't go into effect until 2036? Some of it is just ensuring the chains we buy are the right size, or if they ask for a gauge to check something (<100$ for it) it gets bought correctly.","human_ref_B":"We send engineers out for a weeks rotation once a year to do manufacturing floor work. Does wonders for communication and team building.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1819.0,"score_ratio":17.5} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9ej7z","c_root_id_B":"ek9eqmo","created_at_utc_A":1554573140,"created_at_utc_B":1554573284,"score_A":2,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"We have Tech managers for each shift. They are another avenue for requests, complaints and recommendations.","human_ref_B":"We send engineers out for a weeks rotation once a year to do manufacturing floor work. Does wonders for communication and team building.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":144.0,"score_ratio":17.5} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9fv4b","c_root_id_B":"ek9axf3","created_at_utc_A":1554574096,"created_at_utc_B":1554570609,"score_A":25,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"OK, I think if you are meeting with Sr Management, you should have a plan put together; don't just make it a gripefest. Have 2-3 examples of the problem put onto slides, with a short and clear summary why they were problems, and what the negative results was (poorer quality\/late delivery\/increased costs\/...). You need to clearly show Management that the problem exists and needs to be addressed. Have a few proposals on how to fix the problems (maybe the techs need to be present in some status meetings?). Never go to Sr. Management without a plan, unless the company is really small.","human_ref_B":"Why are the technicians being ignored by engineers? Do the engineers view themselves as superior and don't want to bother interacting? Or are the engineers so busy that they don't have time to answer questions because they know it will result in them falling behind their own tasks. The second is the reason why I ignore many people's requests. I'm not a bad person but I am a busy person. If I answer and help everyone I would never sleep or see my family. My solution for that is that management should hire more people.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3487.0,"score_ratio":1.1363636364} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9beho","c_root_id_B":"ek9fv4b","created_at_utc_A":1554570930,"created_at_utc_B":1554574096,"score_A":17,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"I started out as a tech now I'm much closer to an engineer. In my experience, there needs to be a dedicated position that bridges the gap. Someone who can sit in the engineering and production meetings, order parts for the techs, supervise them, guide them, connect them with other resources, and act as a two way conduit of information between the techs and engineers. These are the the first responders and the guys actually turning the screws, they deserve respect. Where I interned that position was a lead technician, where I work now we have an engineering supervisor. The management\/technical split of the position can vary based on the number of techs that they would be managing, but it is necessary in my opinion.","human_ref_B":"OK, I think if you are meeting with Sr Management, you should have a plan put together; don't just make it a gripefest. Have 2-3 examples of the problem put onto slides, with a short and clear summary why they were problems, and what the negative results was (poorer quality\/late delivery\/increased costs\/...). You need to clearly show Management that the problem exists and needs to be addressed. Have a few proposals on how to fix the problems (maybe the techs need to be present in some status meetings?). Never go to Sr. Management without a plan, unless the company is really small.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3166.0,"score_ratio":1.4705882353} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9fv4b","c_root_id_B":"ek9dl5g","created_at_utc_A":1554574096,"created_at_utc_B":1554572467,"score_A":25,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"OK, I think if you are meeting with Sr Management, you should have a plan put together; don't just make it a gripefest. Have 2-3 examples of the problem put onto slides, with a short and clear summary why they were problems, and what the negative results was (poorer quality\/late delivery\/increased costs\/...). You need to clearly show Management that the problem exists and needs to be addressed. Have a few proposals on how to fix the problems (maybe the techs need to be present in some status meetings?). Never go to Sr. Management without a plan, unless the company is really small.","human_ref_B":"Graduated recently with marine engineering degree But working as a test tech on nuclear submarines and we have the issue you\u2019re describing to the Nth degree. -many mechanical engineers that do not understand the physical application (and sometimes location lol) of the equipment they\u2019re designing. E.g. designing a test equipment 74k that has valves that literally cannot fit space required to test the component or system. -a lot of engineers at my company have a very different work environment from the techs so they\u2019re pretty scared about interfacing directly or finding out who is the system expert and not just the supervisory point of contact (blue collar vs white collar issue). Really just the classic lack of interpersonal skills. This is the most important part. -Knowing who is the real expert is (e.g. 40+ year of HM&E work) is valuable vs who\u2019s the loudest about giving an opinion because I\u2019ve found the real value is determining who is the expert and then bouncing ideas off them directly because they will not only give you direct ideas but they\u2019ll give you a valuable perspective as in, \u201coh we tried that idea thirty years ago and it failed but reason x y z\u201d or \u201cwe used to do that until that vendor went out of business\u201d I realize the issue with some techs is they\u2019re experts that normally are not the best at extrapolating. But there is a real untapped value if you can take the time to find seasoned hands-on experts for the systems and annoy them with questions they usually genuinely love to be heard by the engineer and will go out of their way to show you examples. The two years I\u2019ve worked here has been WAY more valuable than the four years of college and if you take the time to listen to them it\u2019s humbling what the experts have to teach.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1629.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9b90b","c_root_id_B":"ek9fv4b","created_at_utc_A":1554570829,"created_at_utc_B":1554574096,"score_A":9,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"As an engineer I make sure to buy my techs the tools they need. Even if it might not be the most cost effective way, it buys goodwill and gets them to give extra effort on my projects. It also makes it so they're willing to do a bit of design work with me since they know if there's anything easier way to do something, but it might need a little investment, in willing to do that, and they'll help me make that change.","human_ref_B":"OK, I think if you are meeting with Sr Management, you should have a plan put together; don't just make it a gripefest. Have 2-3 examples of the problem put onto slides, with a short and clear summary why they were problems, and what the negative results was (poorer quality\/late delivery\/increased costs\/...). You need to clearly show Management that the problem exists and needs to be addressed. Have a few proposals on how to fix the problems (maybe the techs need to be present in some status meetings?). Never go to Sr. Management without a plan, unless the company is really small.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3267.0,"score_ratio":2.7777777778} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9fv4b","c_root_id_B":"ek9attc","created_at_utc_A":1554574096,"created_at_utc_B":1554570541,"score_A":25,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"OK, I think if you are meeting with Sr Management, you should have a plan put together; don't just make it a gripefest. Have 2-3 examples of the problem put onto slides, with a short and clear summary why they were problems, and what the negative results was (poorer quality\/late delivery\/increased costs\/...). You need to clearly show Management that the problem exists and needs to be addressed. Have a few proposals on how to fix the problems (maybe the techs need to be present in some status meetings?). Never go to Sr. Management without a plan, unless the company is really small.","human_ref_B":"We had a blurred culture where the chemists and engineers were stirred in with technicians with no recognizable delineation or hierarchical system. This seems to be at the other end of spectrum of your organizational example. The organization is now building layers to help add direct reports\/communication channels, succession planning, and reason for professional development goals. I\u2019m just at this post to listen to others\u2019 comments as I have a direct hand in affecting this change in my organization (an engineer).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3555.0,"score_ratio":4.1666666667} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9fv4b","c_root_id_B":"ek9f6wq","created_at_utc_A":1554574096,"created_at_utc_B":1554573610,"score_A":25,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"OK, I think if you are meeting with Sr Management, you should have a plan put together; don't just make it a gripefest. Have 2-3 examples of the problem put onto slides, with a short and clear summary why they were problems, and what the negative results was (poorer quality\/late delivery\/increased costs\/...). You need to clearly show Management that the problem exists and needs to be addressed. Have a few proposals on how to fix the problems (maybe the techs need to be present in some status meetings?). Never go to Sr. Management without a plan, unless the company is really small.","human_ref_B":"I work in a holdings company, we own a wastewater treatment contracting company. I've been recently assigned to handle their issues. I went straight to the people on the field. Daaamn their problems have been piling up! No one seemed to do anything about their problems before. We're somewhat in the process of attending to their concerns now. I'm a normal employee myself, but thankfully, I answer directly to the COO of the holdings company. Their word easily reaches top level management now.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":486.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9c5tg","c_root_id_B":"ek9fv4b","created_at_utc_A":1554571465,"created_at_utc_B":1554574096,"score_A":2,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"Here the engineers (at least the ones that the ops\/maintenance claim to like) try to take the pain points from the operators and listen. Did we really need to take a 5 run ladder out and put in a staircase - not by any rules\/regulations, but it made it easier for the operator to climb down with a remote crane box, and made the safety department's circle jerk of eliminating ladders happy. Side note: Anyone else's safety department going apeshit with OSHA's change to ladders that doesn't go into effect until 2036? Some of it is just ensuring the chains we buy are the right size, or if they ask for a gauge to check something (<100$ for it) it gets bought correctly.","human_ref_B":"OK, I think if you are meeting with Sr Management, you should have a plan put together; don't just make it a gripefest. Have 2-3 examples of the problem put onto slides, with a short and clear summary why they were problems, and what the negative results was (poorer quality\/late delivery\/increased costs\/...). You need to clearly show Management that the problem exists and needs to be addressed. Have a few proposals on how to fix the problems (maybe the techs need to be present in some status meetings?). Never go to Sr. Management without a plan, unless the company is really small.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2631.0,"score_ratio":12.5} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9ej7z","c_root_id_B":"ek9fv4b","created_at_utc_A":1554573140,"created_at_utc_B":1554574096,"score_A":2,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"We have Tech managers for each shift. They are another avenue for requests, complaints and recommendations.","human_ref_B":"OK, I think if you are meeting with Sr Management, you should have a plan put together; don't just make it a gripefest. Have 2-3 examples of the problem put onto slides, with a short and clear summary why they were problems, and what the negative results was (poorer quality\/late delivery\/increased costs\/...). You need to clearly show Management that the problem exists and needs to be addressed. Have a few proposals on how to fix the problems (maybe the techs need to be present in some status meetings?). Never go to Sr. Management without a plan, unless the company is really small.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":956.0,"score_ratio":12.5} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9attc","c_root_id_B":"ek9axf3","created_at_utc_A":1554570541,"created_at_utc_B":1554570609,"score_A":6,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"We had a blurred culture where the chemists and engineers were stirred in with technicians with no recognizable delineation or hierarchical system. This seems to be at the other end of spectrum of your organizational example. The organization is now building layers to help add direct reports\/communication channels, succession planning, and reason for professional development goals. I\u2019m just at this post to listen to others\u2019 comments as I have a direct hand in affecting this change in my organization (an engineer).","human_ref_B":"Why are the technicians being ignored by engineers? Do the engineers view themselves as superior and don't want to bother interacting? Or are the engineers so busy that they don't have time to answer questions because they know it will result in them falling behind their own tasks. The second is the reason why I ignore many people's requests. I'm not a bad person but I am a busy person. If I answer and help everyone I would never sleep or see my family. My solution for that is that management should hire more people.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":68.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9beho","c_root_id_B":"ek9b90b","created_at_utc_A":1554570930,"created_at_utc_B":1554570829,"score_A":17,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I started out as a tech now I'm much closer to an engineer. In my experience, there needs to be a dedicated position that bridges the gap. Someone who can sit in the engineering and production meetings, order parts for the techs, supervise them, guide them, connect them with other resources, and act as a two way conduit of information between the techs and engineers. These are the the first responders and the guys actually turning the screws, they deserve respect. Where I interned that position was a lead technician, where I work now we have an engineering supervisor. The management\/technical split of the position can vary based on the number of techs that they would be managing, but it is necessary in my opinion.","human_ref_B":"As an engineer I make sure to buy my techs the tools they need. Even if it might not be the most cost effective way, it buys goodwill and gets them to give extra effort on my projects. It also makes it so they're willing to do a bit of design work with me since they know if there's anything easier way to do something, but it might need a little investment, in willing to do that, and they'll help me make that change.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":101.0,"score_ratio":1.8888888889} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9attc","c_root_id_B":"ek9beho","created_at_utc_A":1554570541,"created_at_utc_B":1554570930,"score_A":6,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"We had a blurred culture where the chemists and engineers were stirred in with technicians with no recognizable delineation or hierarchical system. This seems to be at the other end of spectrum of your organizational example. The organization is now building layers to help add direct reports\/communication channels, succession planning, and reason for professional development goals. I\u2019m just at this post to listen to others\u2019 comments as I have a direct hand in affecting this change in my organization (an engineer).","human_ref_B":"I started out as a tech now I'm much closer to an engineer. In my experience, there needs to be a dedicated position that bridges the gap. Someone who can sit in the engineering and production meetings, order parts for the techs, supervise them, guide them, connect them with other resources, and act as a two way conduit of information between the techs and engineers. These are the the first responders and the guys actually turning the screws, they deserve respect. Where I interned that position was a lead technician, where I work now we have an engineering supervisor. The management\/technical split of the position can vary based on the number of techs that they would be managing, but it is necessary in my opinion.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":389.0,"score_ratio":2.8333333333} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9b90b","c_root_id_B":"ek9dl5g","created_at_utc_A":1554570829,"created_at_utc_B":1554572467,"score_A":9,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"As an engineer I make sure to buy my techs the tools they need. Even if it might not be the most cost effective way, it buys goodwill and gets them to give extra effort on my projects. It also makes it so they're willing to do a bit of design work with me since they know if there's anything easier way to do something, but it might need a little investment, in willing to do that, and they'll help me make that change.","human_ref_B":"Graduated recently with marine engineering degree But working as a test tech on nuclear submarines and we have the issue you\u2019re describing to the Nth degree. -many mechanical engineers that do not understand the physical application (and sometimes location lol) of the equipment they\u2019re designing. E.g. designing a test equipment 74k that has valves that literally cannot fit space required to test the component or system. -a lot of engineers at my company have a very different work environment from the techs so they\u2019re pretty scared about interfacing directly or finding out who is the system expert and not just the supervisory point of contact (blue collar vs white collar issue). Really just the classic lack of interpersonal skills. This is the most important part. -Knowing who is the real expert is (e.g. 40+ year of HM&E work) is valuable vs who\u2019s the loudest about giving an opinion because I\u2019ve found the real value is determining who is the expert and then bouncing ideas off them directly because they will not only give you direct ideas but they\u2019ll give you a valuable perspective as in, \u201coh we tried that idea thirty years ago and it failed but reason x y z\u201d or \u201cwe used to do that until that vendor went out of business\u201d I realize the issue with some techs is they\u2019re experts that normally are not the best at extrapolating. But there is a real untapped value if you can take the time to find seasoned hands-on experts for the systems and annoy them with questions they usually genuinely love to be heard by the engineer and will go out of their way to show you examples. The two years I\u2019ve worked here has been WAY more valuable than the four years of college and if you take the time to listen to them it\u2019s humbling what the experts have to teach.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1638.0,"score_ratio":1.1111111111} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9attc","c_root_id_B":"ek9dl5g","created_at_utc_A":1554570541,"created_at_utc_B":1554572467,"score_A":6,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"We had a blurred culture where the chemists and engineers were stirred in with technicians with no recognizable delineation or hierarchical system. This seems to be at the other end of spectrum of your organizational example. The organization is now building layers to help add direct reports\/communication channels, succession planning, and reason for professional development goals. I\u2019m just at this post to listen to others\u2019 comments as I have a direct hand in affecting this change in my organization (an engineer).","human_ref_B":"Graduated recently with marine engineering degree But working as a test tech on nuclear submarines and we have the issue you\u2019re describing to the Nth degree. -many mechanical engineers that do not understand the physical application (and sometimes location lol) of the equipment they\u2019re designing. E.g. designing a test equipment 74k that has valves that literally cannot fit space required to test the component or system. -a lot of engineers at my company have a very different work environment from the techs so they\u2019re pretty scared about interfacing directly or finding out who is the system expert and not just the supervisory point of contact (blue collar vs white collar issue). Really just the classic lack of interpersonal skills. This is the most important part. -Knowing who is the real expert is (e.g. 40+ year of HM&E work) is valuable vs who\u2019s the loudest about giving an opinion because I\u2019ve found the real value is determining who is the expert and then bouncing ideas off them directly because they will not only give you direct ideas but they\u2019ll give you a valuable perspective as in, \u201coh we tried that idea thirty years ago and it failed but reason x y z\u201d or \u201cwe used to do that until that vendor went out of business\u201d I realize the issue with some techs is they\u2019re experts that normally are not the best at extrapolating. But there is a real untapped value if you can take the time to find seasoned hands-on experts for the systems and annoy them with questions they usually genuinely love to be heard by the engineer and will go out of their way to show you examples. The two years I\u2019ve worked here has been WAY more valuable than the four years of college and if you take the time to listen to them it\u2019s humbling what the experts have to teach.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1926.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9dl5g","c_root_id_B":"ek9c5tg","created_at_utc_A":1554572467,"created_at_utc_B":1554571465,"score_A":10,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Graduated recently with marine engineering degree But working as a test tech on nuclear submarines and we have the issue you\u2019re describing to the Nth degree. -many mechanical engineers that do not understand the physical application (and sometimes location lol) of the equipment they\u2019re designing. E.g. designing a test equipment 74k that has valves that literally cannot fit space required to test the component or system. -a lot of engineers at my company have a very different work environment from the techs so they\u2019re pretty scared about interfacing directly or finding out who is the system expert and not just the supervisory point of contact (blue collar vs white collar issue). Really just the classic lack of interpersonal skills. This is the most important part. -Knowing who is the real expert is (e.g. 40+ year of HM&E work) is valuable vs who\u2019s the loudest about giving an opinion because I\u2019ve found the real value is determining who is the expert and then bouncing ideas off them directly because they will not only give you direct ideas but they\u2019ll give you a valuable perspective as in, \u201coh we tried that idea thirty years ago and it failed but reason x y z\u201d or \u201cwe used to do that until that vendor went out of business\u201d I realize the issue with some techs is they\u2019re experts that normally are not the best at extrapolating. But there is a real untapped value if you can take the time to find seasoned hands-on experts for the systems and annoy them with questions they usually genuinely love to be heard by the engineer and will go out of their way to show you examples. The two years I\u2019ve worked here has been WAY more valuable than the four years of college and if you take the time to listen to them it\u2019s humbling what the experts have to teach.","human_ref_B":"Here the engineers (at least the ones that the ops\/maintenance claim to like) try to take the pain points from the operators and listen. Did we really need to take a 5 run ladder out and put in a staircase - not by any rules\/regulations, but it made it easier for the operator to climb down with a remote crane box, and made the safety department's circle jerk of eliminating ladders happy. Side note: Anyone else's safety department going apeshit with OSHA's change to ladders that doesn't go into effect until 2036? Some of it is just ensuring the chains we buy are the right size, or if they ask for a gauge to check something (<100$ for it) it gets bought correctly.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1002.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9attc","c_root_id_B":"ek9b90b","created_at_utc_A":1554570541,"created_at_utc_B":1554570829,"score_A":6,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"We had a blurred culture where the chemists and engineers were stirred in with technicians with no recognizable delineation or hierarchical system. This seems to be at the other end of spectrum of your organizational example. The organization is now building layers to help add direct reports\/communication channels, succession planning, and reason for professional development goals. I\u2019m just at this post to listen to others\u2019 comments as I have a direct hand in affecting this change in my organization (an engineer).","human_ref_B":"As an engineer I make sure to buy my techs the tools they need. Even if it might not be the most cost effective way, it buys goodwill and gets them to give extra effort on my projects. It also makes it so they're willing to do a bit of design work with me since they know if there's anything easier way to do something, but it might need a little investment, in willing to do that, and they'll help me make that change.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":288.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9f6wq","c_root_id_B":"ek9kjkb","created_at_utc_A":1554573610,"created_at_utc_B":1554577683,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I work in a holdings company, we own a wastewater treatment contracting company. I've been recently assigned to handle their issues. I went straight to the people on the field. Daaamn their problems have been piling up! No one seemed to do anything about their problems before. We're somewhat in the process of attending to their concerns now. I'm a normal employee myself, but thankfully, I answer directly to the COO of the holdings company. Their word easily reaches top level management now.","human_ref_B":"I'm a somewhat young engineer so I listen very closely to techs. Sometimes I wonder why they don't have my job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4073.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9c5tg","c_root_id_B":"ek9kjkb","created_at_utc_A":1554571465,"created_at_utc_B":1554577683,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Here the engineers (at least the ones that the ops\/maintenance claim to like) try to take the pain points from the operators and listen. Did we really need to take a 5 run ladder out and put in a staircase - not by any rules\/regulations, but it made it easier for the operator to climb down with a remote crane box, and made the safety department's circle jerk of eliminating ladders happy. Side note: Anyone else's safety department going apeshit with OSHA's change to ladders that doesn't go into effect until 2036? Some of it is just ensuring the chains we buy are the right size, or if they ask for a gauge to check something (<100$ for it) it gets bought correctly.","human_ref_B":"I'm a somewhat young engineer so I listen very closely to techs. Sometimes I wonder why they don't have my job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6218.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9kjkb","c_root_id_B":"ek9ej7z","created_at_utc_A":1554577683,"created_at_utc_B":1554573140,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I'm a somewhat young engineer so I listen very closely to techs. Sometimes I wonder why they don't have my job.","human_ref_B":"We have Tech managers for each shift. They are another avenue for requests, complaints and recommendations.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4543.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9f6wq","c_root_id_B":"ek9c5tg","created_at_utc_A":1554573610,"created_at_utc_B":1554571465,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I work in a holdings company, we own a wastewater treatment contracting company. I've been recently assigned to handle their issues. I went straight to the people on the field. Daaamn their problems have been piling up! No one seemed to do anything about their problems before. We're somewhat in the process of attending to their concerns now. I'm a normal employee myself, but thankfully, I answer directly to the COO of the holdings company. Their word easily reaches top level management now.","human_ref_B":"Here the engineers (at least the ones that the ops\/maintenance claim to like) try to take the pain points from the operators and listen. Did we really need to take a 5 run ladder out and put in a staircase - not by any rules\/regulations, but it made it easier for the operator to climb down with a remote crane box, and made the safety department's circle jerk of eliminating ladders happy. Side note: Anyone else's safety department going apeshit with OSHA's change to ladders that doesn't go into effect until 2036? Some of it is just ensuring the chains we buy are the right size, or if they ask for a gauge to check something (<100$ for it) it gets bought correctly.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2145.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9ej7z","c_root_id_B":"ek9f6wq","created_at_utc_A":1554573140,"created_at_utc_B":1554573610,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"We have Tech managers for each shift. They are another avenue for requests, complaints and recommendations.","human_ref_B":"I work in a holdings company, we own a wastewater treatment contracting company. I've been recently assigned to handle their issues. I went straight to the people on the field. Daaamn their problems have been piling up! No one seemed to do anything about their problems before. We're somewhat in the process of attending to their concerns now. I'm a normal employee myself, but thankfully, I answer directly to the COO of the holdings company. Their word easily reaches top level management now.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":470.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9c5tg","c_root_id_B":"ek9owdy","created_at_utc_A":1554571465,"created_at_utc_B":1554581420,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Here the engineers (at least the ones that the ops\/maintenance claim to like) try to take the pain points from the operators and listen. Did we really need to take a 5 run ladder out and put in a staircase - not by any rules\/regulations, but it made it easier for the operator to climb down with a remote crane box, and made the safety department's circle jerk of eliminating ladders happy. Side note: Anyone else's safety department going apeshit with OSHA's change to ladders that doesn't go into effect until 2036? Some of it is just ensuring the chains we buy are the right size, or if they ask for a gauge to check something (<100$ for it) it gets bought correctly.","human_ref_B":"You\u2019re an engineer and you\u2019re hearing them. Be their advocate. Have them cc you on emails and then follow up with other engineers on their requests. If they\u2019re asking for tools and support because they can\u2019t do their jobs effectively, and you\u2019re bridging the gap and getting them what they need, then you\u2019re really facilitating a lot of productivity for the company. Your managers will see you as someone who gets shit done. And the designs you push out to the field will probably much more appreciated by the people you\u2019ve built a rapport with - they\u2019ll just end up working better than any alternatives. Seriously, think about it. Someone told you that his requests have been unheard and that you\u2019ve taking a hit for it. You\u2019ve been given a problem and the solution in the same breath. The system you\u2019re looking to build is socially aware engineers who listen to feedback from the field. If none of the other engineers follow your lead in listening to the techs, then that means that you are the sole person being handed low-hanging fruit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9955.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9ej7z","c_root_id_B":"ek9owdy","created_at_utc_A":1554573140,"created_at_utc_B":1554581420,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"We have Tech managers for each shift. They are another avenue for requests, complaints and recommendations.","human_ref_B":"You\u2019re an engineer and you\u2019re hearing them. Be their advocate. Have them cc you on emails and then follow up with other engineers on their requests. If they\u2019re asking for tools and support because they can\u2019t do their jobs effectively, and you\u2019re bridging the gap and getting them what they need, then you\u2019re really facilitating a lot of productivity for the company. Your managers will see you as someone who gets shit done. And the designs you push out to the field will probably much more appreciated by the people you\u2019ve built a rapport with - they\u2019ll just end up working better than any alternatives. Seriously, think about it. Someone told you that his requests have been unheard and that you\u2019ve taking a hit for it. You\u2019ve been given a problem and the solution in the same breath. The system you\u2019re looking to build is socially aware engineers who listen to feedback from the field. If none of the other engineers follow your lead in listening to the techs, then that means that you are the sole person being handed low-hanging fruit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8280.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9owdy","c_root_id_B":"ek9nicq","created_at_utc_A":1554581420,"created_at_utc_B":1554580217,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019re an engineer and you\u2019re hearing them. Be their advocate. Have them cc you on emails and then follow up with other engineers on their requests. If they\u2019re asking for tools and support because they can\u2019t do their jobs effectively, and you\u2019re bridging the gap and getting them what they need, then you\u2019re really facilitating a lot of productivity for the company. Your managers will see you as someone who gets shit done. And the designs you push out to the field will probably much more appreciated by the people you\u2019ve built a rapport with - they\u2019ll just end up working better than any alternatives. Seriously, think about it. Someone told you that his requests have been unheard and that you\u2019ve taking a hit for it. You\u2019ve been given a problem and the solution in the same breath. The system you\u2019re looking to build is socially aware engineers who listen to feedback from the field. If none of the other engineers follow your lead in listening to the techs, then that means that you are the sole person being handed low-hanging fruit.","human_ref_B":"I work as a mechanical engineer in a big plant (we have 9 different factories in this plant). All projects that er start, wether is service projects or new production lines we call in big meetings with the factory unit, where representatives from each group of workers are with us in engineering. So thats operatorers, welders\/maintenance crew, the process engineers for the factory and factory management. Everyone gets heard, and everyone gets a say. Now obviously the management and engineers voice matters the most, but in order to make money of a line we mere to be able to actually build it. So I as the guy doing the actual engineering spend a lot of time with the guys on the floor. It requires a willingness to listen to eachother. And usually the techs are the ones seeing the issues and problems long before the engineers in the controlroom. Call meetings with everyone. Thats what I have learned works best. English is not my first language :)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1203.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9c5tg","c_root_id_B":"ek9kl3m","created_at_utc_A":1554571465,"created_at_utc_B":1554577719,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Here the engineers (at least the ones that the ops\/maintenance claim to like) try to take the pain points from the operators and listen. Did we really need to take a 5 run ladder out and put in a staircase - not by any rules\/regulations, but it made it easier for the operator to climb down with a remote crane box, and made the safety department's circle jerk of eliminating ladders happy. Side note: Anyone else's safety department going apeshit with OSHA's change to ladders that doesn't go into effect until 2036? Some of it is just ensuring the chains we buy are the right size, or if they ask for a gauge to check something (<100$ for it) it gets bought correctly.","human_ref_B":"As an engineer I applaud you for this this. My advice for fixing things (without going in details on what to do) is be careful of how you do it. The secrets to implementing change in the workplace is to make sure you do 3 things 1) Before pointing out a solution or root cause, get people to admit there is a problem or at least an opportunity. This us where you going out things that can be improved. If you start with telling people how they operate is wrong, they get defensive and ignore you...if you start by getting to agree with you, they will not be as defensive nor can they-they just admitted theres things wrong! 2) Find 'champions' first. Aka find people who can help you with this, nd who you can present to first or discuss this first. You may find a senior engineer in the company who recognizes this same company. If you can get a few people like that on board it's much easier presenting ti everyone else, and if those people see them on board, they'll be more on board. This also boils down to how people see you too. 3) When you pitch solutions, make them straightforward, achievable, and limited in scope. Do not make them vague, make them things you could get graded against. It's much easier to implement change and report change if you have clear steps vs broad ones.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6254.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? I\u2019m an engineer and since I\u2019m very personable, have a good rapport with some technicians. One of the techs has been telling me that his emails continue to go ignored, and now we\u2019re taking a schedule hit because it\u2019s taking him longer than anticipated to build hardware. It\u2019s taking longer because nobody responded to him when he asked for the tools he needed. Nobody responded to him months ago when he asked if another tool that a mechanical engineer designed was going to be used; the tool was never built, so now he\u2019s using tape to hold things together during build. I\u2019ve seen all this happen first hand, he\u2019s not exaggerating. I\u2019m sick of it. I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? 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If you start with telling people how they operate is wrong, they get defensive and ignore you...if you start by getting to agree with you, they will not be as defensive nor can they-they just admitted theres things wrong! 2) Find 'champions' first. Aka find people who can help you with this, nd who you can present to first or discuss this first. You may find a senior engineer in the company who recognizes this same company. If you can get a few people like that on board it's much easier presenting ti everyone else, and if those people see them on board, they'll be more on board. This also boils down to how people see you too. 3) When you pitch solutions, make them straightforward, achievable, and limited in scope. Do not make them vague, make them things you could get graded against. 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I\u2019m sick of it for him, I\u2019m sick of it having such a negative impact, I\u2019m sick of all of it. As long as there have been technicians and engineers, there have been technicians being ignored by engineers. I\u2019m meeting with the Sr Mgr on Monday to talk about this. I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9qjln","c_root_id_B":"ek9c5tg","created_at_utc_A":1554582853,"created_at_utc_B":1554571465,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It's a mixed bag. If the technician is both good at his job and provides good feedback, they tend to be heard. If they're the type to just punch the clock and only provide feedback when they have something to complain about...not so much.","human_ref_B":"Here the engineers (at least the ones that the ops\/maintenance claim to like) try to take the pain points from the operators and listen. Did we really need to take a 5 run ladder out and put in a staircase - not by any rules\/regulations, but it made it easier for the operator to climb down with a remote crane box, and made the safety department's circle jerk of eliminating ladders happy. Side note: Anyone else's safety department going apeshit with OSHA's change to ladders that doesn't go into effect until 2036? Some of it is just ensuring the chains we buy are the right size, or if they ask for a gauge to check something (<100$ for it) it gets bought correctly.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11388.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"ba64ng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Do your technicians feel heard? 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I don\u2019t quite know what I\u2019m going to say or do, I just know I want to start putting together some kind of system that will help. What kinds of things do you \/ your company have to bridge the gap between technicians and engineers? Do your techs feel heard? Do they feel appreciated? Is their feedback valued? They\u2019re the ones BUILDING the equipment, for crying out loud, they are vital and should be treated as such. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ek9ej7z","c_root_id_B":"ek9qjln","created_at_utc_A":1554573140,"created_at_utc_B":1554582853,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"We have Tech managers for each shift. They are another avenue for requests, complaints and recommendations.","human_ref_B":"It's a mixed bag. If the technician is both good at his job and provides good feedback, they tend to be heard. 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All projects that er start, wether is service projects or new production lines we call in big meetings with the factory unit, where representatives from each group of workers are with us in engineering. So thats operatorers, welders\/maintenance crew, the process engineers for the factory and factory management. Everyone gets heard, and everyone gets a say. Now obviously the management and engineers voice matters the most, but in order to make money of a line we mere to be able to actually build it. So I as the guy doing the actual engineering spend a lot of time with the guys on the floor. It requires a willingness to listen to eachother. And usually the techs are the ones seeing the issues and problems long before the engineers in the controlroom. Call meetings with everyone. Thats what I have learned works best. English is not my first language :)","human_ref_B":"It's a mixed bag. If the technician is both good at his job and provides good feedback, they tend to be heard. 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They use math and physics to figure out how to control vehicles that have to use math and physics real time to get where they are going.","human_ref_B":"Aerospace\/Mechanical","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5789.0,"score_ratio":20.0} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsfangy","c_root_id_B":"hsh7l3n","created_at_utc_A":1642034837,"created_at_utc_B":1642076051,"score_A":18,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Modeling and Simulation (mod\/sim) jobs. This is also where the majority of my phd engineers work.","human_ref_B":"I work in defense aerospace. We don't do control surfaces etc so I couldn't tell you shit about aerodynamics, but I hear that's incredibly complicated and heavy on math. The people in my company who are like that are our thermal engineers. We had a box a while ago that was overheating in an area near a PCB. The box was already designed and would be expensive to make a big change to it, so we brought in one of the thermal guys and they analysed the space they were working with and designed a little oddly shaped bit of metal that would work with the boxes existing air flow system. It was nuts, the heat map of the thing just evened out as soon as they put this thing the size of a 50 cent coin but with weird dimples and holes on the back of a PCB. Didn't even take them that long to come up with it. Impressed the fuck out of me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":41214.0,"score_ratio":1.0555555556} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsh7l3n","c_root_id_B":"hsfdrjx","created_at_utc_A":1642076051,"created_at_utc_B":1642036428,"score_A":19,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I work in defense aerospace. We don't do control surfaces etc so I couldn't tell you shit about aerodynamics, but I hear that's incredibly complicated and heavy on math. The people in my company who are like that are our thermal engineers. We had a box a while ago that was overheating in an area near a PCB. The box was already designed and would be expensive to make a big change to it, so we brought in one of the thermal guys and they analysed the space they were working with and designed a little oddly shaped bit of metal that would work with the boxes existing air flow system. It was nuts, the heat map of the thing just evened out as soon as they put this thing the size of a 50 cent coin but with weird dimples and holes on the back of a PCB. Didn't even take them that long to come up with it. Impressed the fuck out of me.","human_ref_B":"Radar cross section analysis","labels":1,"seconds_difference":39623.0,"score_ratio":1.9} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsh7l3n","c_root_id_B":"hsg5hx0","created_at_utc_A":1642076051,"created_at_utc_B":1642049112,"score_A":19,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I work in defense aerospace. We don't do control surfaces etc so I couldn't tell you shit about aerodynamics, but I hear that's incredibly complicated and heavy on math. The people in my company who are like that are our thermal engineers. We had a box a while ago that was overheating in an area near a PCB. The box was already designed and would be expensive to make a big change to it, so we brought in one of the thermal guys and they analysed the space they were working with and designed a little oddly shaped bit of metal that would work with the boxes existing air flow system. It was nuts, the heat map of the thing just evened out as soon as they put this thing the size of a 50 cent coin but with weird dimples and holes on the back of a PCB. Didn't even take them that long to come up with it. Impressed the fuck out of me.","human_ref_B":"Antenna design.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":26939.0,"score_ratio":1.9} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsg8p21","c_root_id_B":"hsh7l3n","created_at_utc_A":1642050791,"created_at_utc_B":1642076051,"score_A":7,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"RF\/Microwave Engineering, Antenna Engineering, Digital Signal Processing, Communication Theory, and Power Electronics. Computer engineering has the least amount of math and especially no physics depending on what you do. CE mostly use verilog\/hdl and programming languages like C\/C#. Like most of the innovations with CPU and GPU are through software\/machine learning like DLSS for Nvidia GPU. But that\u2019s later on, in the beginning you will probably be mostly programming to test their hw and not designing their next generation DLSS or something.","human_ref_B":"I work in defense aerospace. We don't do control surfaces etc so I couldn't tell you shit about aerodynamics, but I hear that's incredibly complicated and heavy on math. The people in my company who are like that are our thermal engineers. We had a box a while ago that was overheating in an area near a PCB. The box was already designed and would be expensive to make a big change to it, so we brought in one of the thermal guys and they analysed the space they were working with and designed a little oddly shaped bit of metal that would work with the boxes existing air flow system. It was nuts, the heat map of the thing just evened out as soon as they put this thing the size of a 50 cent coin but with weird dimples and holes on the back of a PCB. Didn't even take them that long to come up with it. 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The box was already designed and would be expensive to make a big change to it, so we brought in one of the thermal guys and they analysed the space they were working with and designed a little oddly shaped bit of metal that would work with the boxes existing air flow system. It was nuts, the heat map of the thing just evened out as soon as they put this thing the size of a 50 cent coin but with weird dimples and holes on the back of a PCB. Didn't even take them that long to come up with it. Impressed the fuck out of me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30582.0,"score_ratio":3.8} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsh7l3n","c_root_id_B":"hsgp0oz","created_at_utc_A":1642076051,"created_at_utc_B":1642061612,"score_A":19,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I work in defense aerospace. 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Impressed the fuck out of me.","human_ref_B":"Software Engineer for ANSYS lol","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14439.0,"score_ratio":3.1666666667} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsftblp","c_root_id_B":"hsh7l3n","created_at_utc_A":1642043256,"created_at_utc_B":1642076051,"score_A":6,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"High level computer science, especially as an EE in chip design, lots of math","human_ref_B":"I work in defense aerospace. We don't do control surfaces etc so I couldn't tell you shit about aerodynamics, but I hear that's incredibly complicated and heavy on math. The people in my company who are like that are our thermal engineers. We had a box a while ago that was overheating in an area near a PCB. The box was already designed and would be expensive to make a big change to it, so we brought in one of the thermal guys and they analysed the space they were working with and designed a little oddly shaped bit of metal that would work with the boxes existing air flow system. It was nuts, the heat map of the thing just evened out as soon as they put this thing the size of a 50 cent coin but with weird dimples and holes on the back of a PCB. Didn't even take them that long to come up with it. Impressed the fuck out of me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":32795.0,"score_ratio":3.1666666667} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsh7l3n","c_root_id_B":"hsgosva","created_at_utc_A":1642076051,"created_at_utc_B":1642061440,"score_A":19,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I work in defense aerospace. We don't do control surfaces etc so I couldn't tell you shit about aerodynamics, but I hear that's incredibly complicated and heavy on math. The people in my company who are like that are our thermal engineers. We had a box a while ago that was overheating in an area near a PCB. The box was already designed and would be expensive to make a big change to it, so we brought in one of the thermal guys and they analysed the space they were working with and designed a little oddly shaped bit of metal that would work with the boxes existing air flow system. It was nuts, the heat map of the thing just evened out as soon as they put this thing the size of a 50 cent coin but with weird dimples and holes on the back of a PCB. Didn't even take them that long to come up with it. Impressed the fuck out of me.","human_ref_B":"R&D, simulation, control systems that interact with the real world.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14611.0,"score_ratio":3.8} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsh7l3n","c_root_id_B":"hsfi8se","created_at_utc_A":1642076051,"created_at_utc_B":1642038417,"score_A":19,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I work in defense aerospace. We don't do control surfaces etc so I couldn't tell you shit about aerodynamics, but I hear that's incredibly complicated and heavy on math. The people in my company who are like that are our thermal engineers. We had a box a while ago that was overheating in an area near a PCB. The box was already designed and would be expensive to make a big change to it, so we brought in one of the thermal guys and they analysed the space they were working with and designed a little oddly shaped bit of metal that would work with the boxes existing air flow system. It was nuts, the heat map of the thing just evened out as soon as they put this thing the size of a 50 cent coin but with weird dimples and holes on the back of a PCB. Didn't even take them that long to come up with it. Impressed the fuck out of me.","human_ref_B":"post-doc","labels":1,"seconds_difference":37634.0,"score_ratio":4.75} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsh7l3n","c_root_id_B":"hsgxii5","created_at_utc_A":1642076051,"created_at_utc_B":1642068507,"score_A":19,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I work in defense aerospace. We don't do control surfaces etc so I couldn't tell you shit about aerodynamics, but I hear that's incredibly complicated and heavy on math. The people in my company who are like that are our thermal engineers. We had a box a while ago that was overheating in an area near a PCB. The box was already designed and would be expensive to make a big change to it, so we brought in one of the thermal guys and they analysed the space they were working with and designed a little oddly shaped bit of metal that would work with the boxes existing air flow system. It was nuts, the heat map of the thing just evened out as soon as they put this thing the size of a 50 cent coin but with weird dimples and holes on the back of a PCB. Didn't even take them that long to come up with it. Impressed the fuck out of me.","human_ref_B":"Much of day to day engineering has been computerized; ie you work with an app, and it spits out answers. Now you Def need knowledge and experience to interpret the answer, but there's little or no novel in the weeds physics and math. What you're looking for is typically found somewhere doing research and development, or working close to or at the cutting edge. This also means you need at least a Masters and likely a PhD. Cutting edge implies you're trying to engineer something that is one or more of faster, lighter, stronger, hotter, colder, unique use cases, unusual materials, new production techniques. Almost every engineering field has these, but the number of projects and opportunities is obv small. Aerospace, military would be the two big industries for this. Almost any engineering discipline will apply, anything with EM waves \/optics will be at the front of the queue. If you want a challenge, look into the satellite industry, and the suppliers (large and boutique) associated with it. It's a relatively small community but with a surprisingly diverse range of companies. Reach out, explain what you're interested in, talk to as many folks as you can. If you have or will have the right creds, you should at least get an interview or two, and then who knows.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7544.0,"score_ratio":4.75} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsfxt6g","c_root_id_B":"hsh7l3n","created_at_utc_A":1642045326,"created_at_utc_B":1642076051,"score_A":2,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Civil engineer, working as a hydraulic engineer doing water and fuel distribution systems. It's a lot of math and hand calcs prior to modeling, if we model.","human_ref_B":"I work in defense aerospace. We don't do control surfaces etc so I couldn't tell you shit about aerodynamics, but I hear that's incredibly complicated and heavy on math. The people in my company who are like that are our thermal engineers. We had a box a while ago that was overheating in an area near a PCB. The box was already designed and would be expensive to make a big change to it, so we brought in one of the thermal guys and they analysed the space they were working with and designed a little oddly shaped bit of metal that would work with the boxes existing air flow system. It was nuts, the heat map of the thing just evened out as soon as they put this thing the size of a 50 cent coin but with weird dimples and holes on the back of a PCB. Didn't even take them that long to come up with it. Impressed the fuck out of me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30725.0,"score_ratio":9.5} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsghmwy","c_root_id_B":"hsh7l3n","created_at_utc_A":1642056205,"created_at_utc_B":1642076051,"score_A":3,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Whats up with people in this sub looking for advanced math in their jobs lol. I said it before, you want more math and physics, get a masters and phd then work in academia. What you are looking for in your normal engineering job is rare.","human_ref_B":"I work in defense aerospace. We don't do control surfaces etc so I couldn't tell you shit about aerodynamics, but I hear that's incredibly complicated and heavy on math. The people in my company who are like that are our thermal engineers. We had a box a while ago that was overheating in an area near a PCB. The box was already designed and would be expensive to make a big change to it, so we brought in one of the thermal guys and they analysed the space they were working with and designed a little oddly shaped bit of metal that would work with the boxes existing air flow system. It was nuts, the heat map of the thing just evened out as soon as they put this thing the size of a 50 cent coin but with weird dimples and holes on the back of a PCB. Didn't even take them that long to come up with it. Impressed the fuck out of me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19846.0,"score_ratio":6.3333333333} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsh7l3n","c_root_id_B":"hsglqmr","created_at_utc_A":1642076051,"created_at_utc_B":1642059106,"score_A":19,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work in defense aerospace. 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Especially if your position is more on the research side. Keep in mind that those jobs usually require a masters or PhD.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16945.0,"score_ratio":6.3333333333} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsh7l3n","c_root_id_B":"hsfmkcb","created_at_utc_A":1642076051,"created_at_utc_B":1642040296,"score_A":19,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I work in defense aerospace. We don't do control surfaces etc so I couldn't tell you shit about aerodynamics, but I hear that's incredibly complicated and heavy on math. The people in my company who are like that are our thermal engineers. We had a box a while ago that was overheating in an area near a PCB. The box was already designed and would be expensive to make a big change to it, so we brought in one of the thermal guys and they analysed the space they were working with and designed a little oddly shaped bit of metal that would work with the boxes existing air flow system. It was nuts, the heat map of the thing just evened out as soon as they put this thing the size of a 50 cent coin but with weird dimples and holes on the back of a PCB. Didn't even take them that long to come up with it. Impressed the fuck out of me.","human_ref_B":"Aerospace\/Mechanical","labels":1,"seconds_difference":35755.0,"score_ratio":9.5} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsh7l3n","c_root_id_B":"hsg2cio","created_at_utc_A":1642076051,"created_at_utc_B":1642047506,"score_A":19,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I work in defense aerospace. We don't do control surfaces etc so I couldn't tell you shit about aerodynamics, but I hear that's incredibly complicated and heavy on math. The people in my company who are like that are our thermal engineers. We had a box a while ago that was overheating in an area near a PCB. The box was already designed and would be expensive to make a big change to it, so we brought in one of the thermal guys and they analysed the space they were working with and designed a little oddly shaped bit of metal that would work with the boxes existing air flow system. It was nuts, the heat map of the thing just evened out as soon as they put this thing the size of a 50 cent coin but with weird dimples and holes on the back of a PCB. Didn't even take them that long to come up with it. Impressed the fuck out of me.","human_ref_B":"DSP engineer","labels":1,"seconds_difference":28545.0,"score_ratio":9.5} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsg5hx0","c_root_id_B":"hsfy4b7","created_at_utc_A":1642049112,"created_at_utc_B":1642045469,"score_A":10,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Antenna design.","human_ref_B":"Plasma hydrodynamics","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3643.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsg5hx0","c_root_id_B":"hsftblp","created_at_utc_A":1642049112,"created_at_utc_B":1642043256,"score_A":10,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Antenna design.","human_ref_B":"High level computer science, especially as an EE in chip design, lots of math","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5856.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsg5hx0","c_root_id_B":"hsfi8se","created_at_utc_A":1642049112,"created_at_utc_B":1642038417,"score_A":10,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Antenna design.","human_ref_B":"post-doc","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10695.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsfxt6g","c_root_id_B":"hsg5hx0","created_at_utc_A":1642045326,"created_at_utc_B":1642049112,"score_A":2,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Civil engineer, working as a hydraulic engineer doing water and fuel distribution systems. 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It's a lot of math and hand calcs prior to modeling, if we model.","human_ref_B":"Much of day to day engineering has been computerized; ie you work with an app, and it spits out answers. Now you Def need knowledge and experience to interpret the answer, but there's little or no novel in the weeds physics and math. What you're looking for is typically found somewhere doing research and development, or working close to or at the cutting edge. This also means you need at least a Masters and likely a PhD. Cutting edge implies you're trying to engineer something that is one or more of faster, lighter, stronger, hotter, colder, unique use cases, unusual materials, new production techniques. Almost every engineering field has these, but the number of projects and opportunities is obv small. Aerospace, military would be the two big industries for this. Almost any engineering discipline will apply, anything with EM waves \/optics will be at the front of the queue. If you want a challenge, look into the satellite industry, and the suppliers (large and boutique) associated with it. It's a relatively small community but with a surprisingly diverse range of companies. Reach out, explain what you're interested in, talk to as many folks as you can. If you have or will have the right creds, you should at least get an interview or two, and then who knows.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":23181.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsghmwy","c_root_id_B":"hsgxii5","created_at_utc_A":1642056205,"created_at_utc_B":1642068507,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Whats up with people in this sub looking for advanced math in their jobs lol. I said it before, you want more math and physics, get a masters and phd then work in academia. What you are looking for in your normal engineering job is rare.","human_ref_B":"Much of day to day engineering has been computerized; ie you work with an app, and it spits out answers. Now you Def need knowledge and experience to interpret the answer, but there's little or no novel in the weeds physics and math. What you're looking for is typically found somewhere doing research and development, or working close to or at the cutting edge. This also means you need at least a Masters and likely a PhD. Cutting edge implies you're trying to engineer something that is one or more of faster, lighter, stronger, hotter, colder, unique use cases, unusual materials, new production techniques. Almost every engineering field has these, but the number of projects and opportunities is obv small. Aerospace, military would be the two big industries for this. Almost any engineering discipline will apply, anything with EM waves \/optics will be at the front of the queue. If you want a challenge, look into the satellite industry, and the suppliers (large and boutique) associated with it. It's a relatively small community but with a surprisingly diverse range of companies. Reach out, explain what you're interested in, talk to as many folks as you can. If you have or will have the right creds, you should at least get an interview or two, and then who knows.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12302.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"s2k4is","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"what engineering jobs require the most physics and high level math?","c_root_id_A":"hsgxii5","c_root_id_B":"hsglqmr","created_at_utc_A":1642068507,"created_at_utc_B":1642059106,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Much of day to day engineering has been computerized; ie you work with an app, and it spits out answers. Now you Def need knowledge and experience to interpret the answer, but there's little or no novel in the weeds physics and math. 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I want to see if there is already some pre made version of what i am thinking of, with soft plastic instead of sharp hard plastic.","c_root_id_A":"h1g6ndw","c_root_id_B":"h1g64xm","created_at_utc_A":1623446161,"created_at_utc_B":1623445920,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I think you want a thin rubber sheet with a hole in it just a little smaller than the leg, so the rubber has to stretch to fit around the leg.","human_ref_B":"Why can't you wash the whole bunny? 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I want to see if there is already some pre made version of what i am thinking of, with soft plastic instead of sharp hard plastic.","c_root_id_A":"h1g64xm","c_root_id_B":"h1gtcmz","created_at_utc_A":1623445920,"created_at_utc_B":1623458434,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Why can't you wash the whole bunny? Washing one foot feels like it'd be potentially more harmful with a device rather than using some kind of \"hose\" and hand washing soap","human_ref_B":"Would something like the mud buster Be close to what you need? I use this with my dog sometimes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12514.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"twgimo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What are those things where several engineers design their own versions of the same idea, and then show each other their results so they can put all the good parts together? 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I Even caught someone who refactored one of my firmware releases without authority because they left the graffiti out.","human_ref_B":"Not a print or plan, but I worked at Ford ~15yrs ago doing steering column design. People under-estimate the importance of the steering column. It's part of the impact path for a body during an accident (the air bag is on the end of the column), all of the driver controls on the wheel need to pass through a clockspring into the dash, and on most vehicles the ignition switch is still part of the steering column. Anyways, I was part of an unlucky group tasked with generating DFMEA's for all existing products, including a steering column that had been in production in massive volumes for years. This was almost purely an exercise in legal defense since we'd been killed by the Firestone tire fiasco, and apparently the lack of DFMEA's came up as one reason the company didn't follow their own processes that could have prevented it. So the edict went out to perform a DFMEA on all critical systems and components, so basically everything. Nobody actually wanted to do DFMEA's or had training, so the project was delegated to a group of young engineers and interns. Our basic assignment was to come up with a comprehensive DFMEA, and anything with a high RPN we had to then list all of the mitigations and testing that had been done historically. If we had items with numbers still over 100 we had weekly meetings with the managers and old guy engineers where they found reasons our ratings were too high. It sort of sucked, but our group working on the project was all young and cool, and we would schedule a big conference room without windows and spend lots of time talking and hanging out. Anyhow, one of our identified failure modes with a very high severity was ignition switch shorts. (Shorts can causes the starter to turn uncontrollably, overheat, fire~, instant 10) We had been doing this thing for hours each day for weeks, and one of the many causes we came up with for ignition switch fires was \"Dog or small child climbs into the vehicle and urinates on the ignition switch.\" I probably doesn't seem funny now, but after 100+ hours of working on the same DFMEA it was hilarious to us. And we left it in there including the mitigation that we included a steering column shroud in the vehicle and performed extensive intern urination testing on a test vehicle with no detrimental effects. It was meant as a joke we expected our managers would find upon review, but they didn't, and the thing was published that way. I left the job shortly thereafter (we were spun off, the economy tanked, 9\/11, SUV sales had a cliff event, etc.) but I've always wondered how long it took for someone to actually find that cause and take it out. Part of me hopes it's still there to this day. **tl:dr - Included failure mode for dog urine causing electrical shorts in a Ford DFMEA. Claimed to have mitigated the failure mode with intern urination testing. Nobody caught it.** ~Also, we were told not to use the term \"fire\" in DMFEA's because that would prejudice juries. We were instead told to use the term \"rapid oxidation\". That didn't last long as someone with two braincells figured out that even juries aren't that stupid and in future revisions we were allowed to use the word fire.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12235.0,"score_ratio":1.0769230769} +{"post_id":"1icx26","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what are some funny things you've snuck into a set of plans?","c_root_id_A":"cb3d90s","c_root_id_B":"cb3iggs","created_at_utc_A":1373930148,"created_at_utc_B":1373945010,"score_A":12,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"This isn't anything related to design work, rather more \"support\" work per say. While I was on co-op, I had to organize a cabinet full of old prototypes that some of the engineers sometime use (for references, or parts, or whatever). My supervisor told me to make a list and stick it on the outside of the cabinet so anyone can see which cabinets hold which products. I thought it was pretty mundane work (and nothing serious if I mess up on) so I thought I'd put a small joke in there. See if you can catch it: http:\/\/imgur.com\/p3J8Eas","human_ref_B":"Not a print or plan, but I worked at Ford ~15yrs ago doing steering column design. People under-estimate the importance of the steering column. It's part of the impact path for a body during an accident (the air bag is on the end of the column), all of the driver controls on the wheel need to pass through a clockspring into the dash, and on most vehicles the ignition switch is still part of the steering column. Anyways, I was part of an unlucky group tasked with generating DFMEA's for all existing products, including a steering column that had been in production in massive volumes for years. This was almost purely an exercise in legal defense since we'd been killed by the Firestone tire fiasco, and apparently the lack of DFMEA's came up as one reason the company didn't follow their own processes that could have prevented it. So the edict went out to perform a DFMEA on all critical systems and components, so basically everything. Nobody actually wanted to do DFMEA's or had training, so the project was delegated to a group of young engineers and interns. Our basic assignment was to come up with a comprehensive DFMEA, and anything with a high RPN we had to then list all of the mitigations and testing that had been done historically. If we had items with numbers still over 100 we had weekly meetings with the managers and old guy engineers where they found reasons our ratings were too high. It sort of sucked, but our group working on the project was all young and cool, and we would schedule a big conference room without windows and spend lots of time talking and hanging out. Anyhow, one of our identified failure modes with a very high severity was ignition switch shorts. (Shorts can causes the starter to turn uncontrollably, overheat, fire~, instant 10) We had been doing this thing for hours each day for weeks, and one of the many causes we came up with for ignition switch fires was \"Dog or small child climbs into the vehicle and urinates on the ignition switch.\" I probably doesn't seem funny now, but after 100+ hours of working on the same DFMEA it was hilarious to us. And we left it in there including the mitigation that we included a steering column shroud in the vehicle and performed extensive intern urination testing on a test vehicle with no detrimental effects. It was meant as a joke we expected our managers would find upon review, but they didn't, and the thing was published that way. I left the job shortly thereafter (we were spun off, the economy tanked, 9\/11, SUV sales had a cliff event, etc.) but I've always wondered how long it took for someone to actually find that cause and take it out. Part of me hopes it's still there to this day. **tl:dr - Included failure mode for dog urine causing electrical shorts in a Ford DFMEA. Claimed to have mitigated the failure mode with intern urination testing. Nobody caught it.** ~Also, we were told not to use the term \"fire\" in DMFEA's because that would prejudice juries. We were instead told to use the term \"rapid oxidation\". That didn't last long as someone with two braincells figured out that even juries aren't that stupid and in future revisions we were allowed to use the word fire.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14862.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"1icx26","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what are some funny things you've snuck into a set of plans?","c_root_id_A":"cb3ftai","c_root_id_B":"cb3iggs","created_at_utc_A":1373937683,"created_at_utc_B":1373945010,"score_A":11,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I'm a Mech E but I mostly work in MATLAB, I've developed a few scripts that build complex, week long power profiles for battery testing and then process all of it. I typically liter my code with commented profanity and easter eggs depending on what you try to make the post processing software do.","human_ref_B":"Not a print or plan, but I worked at Ford ~15yrs ago doing steering column design. People under-estimate the importance of the steering column. It's part of the impact path for a body during an accident (the air bag is on the end of the column), all of the driver controls on the wheel need to pass through a clockspring into the dash, and on most vehicles the ignition switch is still part of the steering column. Anyways, I was part of an unlucky group tasked with generating DFMEA's for all existing products, including a steering column that had been in production in massive volumes for years. This was almost purely an exercise in legal defense since we'd been killed by the Firestone tire fiasco, and apparently the lack of DFMEA's came up as one reason the company didn't follow their own processes that could have prevented it. So the edict went out to perform a DFMEA on all critical systems and components, so basically everything. Nobody actually wanted to do DFMEA's or had training, so the project was delegated to a group of young engineers and interns. Our basic assignment was to come up with a comprehensive DFMEA, and anything with a high RPN we had to then list all of the mitigations and testing that had been done historically. If we had items with numbers still over 100 we had weekly meetings with the managers and old guy engineers where they found reasons our ratings were too high. It sort of sucked, but our group working on the project was all young and cool, and we would schedule a big conference room without windows and spend lots of time talking and hanging out. Anyhow, one of our identified failure modes with a very high severity was ignition switch shorts. (Shorts can causes the starter to turn uncontrollably, overheat, fire~, instant 10) We had been doing this thing for hours each day for weeks, and one of the many causes we came up with for ignition switch fires was \"Dog or small child climbs into the vehicle and urinates on the ignition switch.\" I probably doesn't seem funny now, but after 100+ hours of working on the same DFMEA it was hilarious to us. And we left it in there including the mitigation that we included a steering column shroud in the vehicle and performed extensive intern urination testing on a test vehicle with no detrimental effects. It was meant as a joke we expected our managers would find upon review, but they didn't, and the thing was published that way. I left the job shortly thereafter (we were spun off, the economy tanked, 9\/11, SUV sales had a cliff event, etc.) but I've always wondered how long it took for someone to actually find that cause and take it out. Part of me hopes it's still there to this day. **tl:dr - Included failure mode for dog urine causing electrical shorts in a Ford DFMEA. Claimed to have mitigated the failure mode with intern urination testing. Nobody caught it.** ~Also, we were told not to use the term \"fire\" in DMFEA's because that would prejudice juries. We were instead told to use the term \"rapid oxidation\". That didn't last long as someone with two braincells figured out that even juries aren't that stupid and in future revisions we were allowed to use the word fire.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7327.0,"score_ratio":1.2727272727} +{"post_id":"1icx26","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what are some funny things you've snuck into a set of plans?","c_root_id_A":"cb3cj1t","c_root_id_B":"cb3iggs","created_at_utc_A":1373928026,"created_at_utc_B":1373945010,"score_A":7,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"\/r\/ArcherFX occasionally has members submit drawings with things renamed DANGER ZONE.","human_ref_B":"Not a print or plan, but I worked at Ford ~15yrs ago doing steering column design. People under-estimate the importance of the steering column. It's part of the impact path for a body during an accident (the air bag is on the end of the column), all of the driver controls on the wheel need to pass through a clockspring into the dash, and on most vehicles the ignition switch is still part of the steering column. Anyways, I was part of an unlucky group tasked with generating DFMEA's for all existing products, including a steering column that had been in production in massive volumes for years. This was almost purely an exercise in legal defense since we'd been killed by the Firestone tire fiasco, and apparently the lack of DFMEA's came up as one reason the company didn't follow their own processes that could have prevented it. So the edict went out to perform a DFMEA on all critical systems and components, so basically everything. Nobody actually wanted to do DFMEA's or had training, so the project was delegated to a group of young engineers and interns. Our basic assignment was to come up with a comprehensive DFMEA, and anything with a high RPN we had to then list all of the mitigations and testing that had been done historically. If we had items with numbers still over 100 we had weekly meetings with the managers and old guy engineers where they found reasons our ratings were too high. It sort of sucked, but our group working on the project was all young and cool, and we would schedule a big conference room without windows and spend lots of time talking and hanging out. Anyhow, one of our identified failure modes with a very high severity was ignition switch shorts. (Shorts can causes the starter to turn uncontrollably, overheat, fire~, instant 10) We had been doing this thing for hours each day for weeks, and one of the many causes we came up with for ignition switch fires was \"Dog or small child climbs into the vehicle and urinates on the ignition switch.\" I probably doesn't seem funny now, but after 100+ hours of working on the same DFMEA it was hilarious to us. And we left it in there including the mitigation that we included a steering column shroud in the vehicle and performed extensive intern urination testing on a test vehicle with no detrimental effects. It was meant as a joke we expected our managers would find upon review, but they didn't, and the thing was published that way. I left the job shortly thereafter (we were spun off, the economy tanked, 9\/11, SUV sales had a cliff event, etc.) but I've always wondered how long it took for someone to actually find that cause and take it out. Part of me hopes it's still there to this day. **tl:dr - Included failure mode for dog urine causing electrical shorts in a Ford DFMEA. Claimed to have mitigated the failure mode with intern urination testing. Nobody caught it.** ~Also, we were told not to use the term \"fire\" in DMFEA's because that would prejudice juries. We were instead told to use the term \"rapid oxidation\". That didn't last long as someone with two braincells figured out that even juries aren't that stupid and in future revisions we were allowed to use the word fire.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16984.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"1icx26","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what are some funny things you've snuck into a set of plans?","c_root_id_A":"cb3d90s","c_root_id_B":"cb3e4cd","created_at_utc_A":1373930148,"created_at_utc_B":1373932775,"score_A":12,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"This isn't anything related to design work, rather more \"support\" work per say. While I was on co-op, I had to organize a cabinet full of old prototypes that some of the engineers sometime use (for references, or parts, or whatever). My supervisor told me to make a list and stick it on the outside of the cabinet so anyone can see which cabinets hold which products. I thought it was pretty mundane work (and nothing serious if I mess up on) so I thought I'd put a small joke in there. See if you can catch it: http:\/\/imgur.com\/p3J8Eas","human_ref_B":"If possible I put the Konami Code encoded using the ROT13 algorithm then padded right to the end of the block with exclamation points into the second lowest block of whitespace in firmware binaries that I release. `UUDDLRLRBA!!!!!!` -> `HHQQYEYEON!!!!!!` -> `48485151594559454f4e212121212121` You'd be surprised how often people catch it. I Even caught someone who refactored one of my firmware releases without authority because they left the graffiti out.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2627.0,"score_ratio":1.0833333333} +{"post_id":"1icx26","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what are some funny things you've snuck into a set of plans?","c_root_id_A":"cb3cj1t","c_root_id_B":"cb3e4cd","created_at_utc_A":1373928026,"created_at_utc_B":1373932775,"score_A":7,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"\/r\/ArcherFX occasionally has members submit drawings with things renamed DANGER ZONE.","human_ref_B":"If possible I put the Konami Code encoded using the ROT13 algorithm then padded right to the end of the block with exclamation points into the second lowest block of whitespace in firmware binaries that I release. `UUDDLRLRBA!!!!!!` -> `HHQQYEYEON!!!!!!` -> `48485151594559454f4e212121212121` You'd be surprised how often people catch it. I Even caught someone who refactored one of my firmware releases without authority because they left the graffiti out.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4749.0,"score_ratio":1.8571428571} +{"post_id":"1icx26","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what are some funny things you've snuck into a set of plans?","c_root_id_A":"cb3d90s","c_root_id_B":"cb3cj1t","created_at_utc_A":1373930148,"created_at_utc_B":1373928026,"score_A":12,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"This isn't anything related to design work, rather more \"support\" work per say. While I was on co-op, I had to organize a cabinet full of old prototypes that some of the engineers sometime use (for references, or parts, or whatever). My supervisor told me to make a list and stick it on the outside of the cabinet so anyone can see which cabinets hold which products. I thought it was pretty mundane work (and nothing serious if I mess up on) so I thought I'd put a small joke in there. See if you can catch it: http:\/\/imgur.com\/p3J8Eas","human_ref_B":"\/r\/ArcherFX occasionally has members submit drawings with things renamed DANGER ZONE.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2122.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143} +{"post_id":"1icx26","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what are some funny things you've snuck into a set of plans?","c_root_id_A":"cb3ftai","c_root_id_B":"cb3cj1t","created_at_utc_A":1373937683,"created_at_utc_B":1373928026,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I'm a Mech E but I mostly work in MATLAB, I've developed a few scripts that build complex, week long power profiles for battery testing and then process all of it. I typically liter my code with commented profanity and easter eggs depending on what you try to make the post processing software do.","human_ref_B":"\/r\/ArcherFX occasionally has members submit drawings with things renamed DANGER ZONE.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9657.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714} +{"post_id":"1icx26","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what are some funny things you've snuck into a set of plans?","c_root_id_A":"cb3cj1t","c_root_id_B":"cb3j2ci","created_at_utc_A":1373928026,"created_at_utc_B":1373946768,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"\/r\/ArcherFX occasionally has members submit drawings with things renamed DANGER ZONE.","human_ref_B":"Someone managed to get my house's letters onto Curiosity [image] (http:\/\/static.squarespace.com\/static\/512c17c8e4b0df88da7858c0\/513929ece4b0d066f23625c0\/513929ece4b04507fe7a6497\/1362778949503\/great-discovery-alumni_0000_blacker-marking3.jpg)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18742.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"1icx26","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what are some funny things you've snuck into a set of plans?","c_root_id_A":"cb3lrfp","c_root_id_B":"cb3cj1t","created_at_utc_A":1373955622,"created_at_utc_B":1373928026,"score_A":9,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"One of my coworkers slipped a picture of goats balls close up into a folder full of pdf drawings which were titled by part number. Apparently this part number took him forever to locate in the BOM, and upon finding no matching drawing, added it in order to restore his sanity. Year later, we deliver the TDP to the customer, and one of their techs prints out pdfs of drawings from a list that was emailed to him, but doesn't notice the picture till he was out on site making repairs.... I wish I could have seen his face, but the resulting phone call was worth it all the same","human_ref_B":"\/r\/ArcherFX occasionally has members submit drawings with things renamed DANGER ZONE.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27596.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"1icx26","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what are some funny things you've snuck into a set of plans?","c_root_id_A":"cb3lrfp","c_root_id_B":"cb3kwjx","created_at_utc_A":1373955622,"created_at_utc_B":1373952590,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"One of my coworkers slipped a picture of goats balls close up into a folder full of pdf drawings which were titled by part number. Apparently this part number took him forever to locate in the BOM, and upon finding no matching drawing, added it in order to restore his sanity. Year later, we deliver the TDP to the customer, and one of their techs prints out pdfs of drawings from a list that was emailed to him, but doesn't notice the picture till he was out on site making repairs.... I wish I could have seen his face, but the resulting phone call was worth it all the same","human_ref_B":"We have many MPIs, I always add fun comments into the saftey section. Lately it has been a Dexter's Lab reference about not running with scissors without proper scissor running equipment.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3032.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"1icx26","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what are some funny things you've snuck into a set of plans?","c_root_id_A":"cb3kwjx","c_root_id_B":"cb3o3b6","created_at_utc_A":1373952590,"created_at_utc_B":1373968561,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"We have many MPIs, I always add fun comments into the saftey section. Lately it has been a Dexter's Lab reference about not running with scissors without proper scissor running equipment.","human_ref_B":"More art than engineering, but a friend of mine used to be a graphic designer \/ re-touching artist working on images for huge billboards. He always used to work in the name of his girlfriend (now wife). Every now and then they would walk past a billboard together and he would he would point out her name on the advert.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15971.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"utw7i3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Your stories about excellent technical engineers who were \"forced\" to become leaders? Maybe it was you or maybe someone you work with or someone you promoted as a leader yourself. Do you have any stories about excellent technical engineers who were \"forced\" to become leaders? As an example, let's say one engineer is an average communicator but excellent technically, the other engineer is an excellent communicator but average technically. Often times, the excellent communicator but average technical engineer asks to become manager or leader, while the average communicator but excellent technical engineer stays silent. You chose the technically excellent but average communicator engineer to become the leader; did that turn out to be a good decision? What were the plusses and minuses? Any interesting stories?","c_root_id_A":"i9chkut","c_root_id_B":"i9by9e4","created_at_utc_A":1653063833,"created_at_utc_B":1653056140,"score_A":35,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Literally my boss. High school valedictorian, graduated top of his class at the air force academy. Registered PE & SE and then all our leaders quit so he became the manager since he was the best engineer on the team. He\u2019a always trying to be involved in technical discussions and manages time and emotions about as well as a toddler. He\u2019s brilliantly technically but so frustrating to work for because deadlines aren\u2019t communicated, he\u2019s as scatterbrained as can be when relaying tasks and delegating responsibilities.","human_ref_B":"It would be arrogant to call myself an excellent engineer. I like to think I'm such but that's a call for someone else to make. HOWEVER, when I went into management it wasn't because I thought management would be fun\/cool\/whatever. Rather, my boss had taken a promotion (good on her!) and there was an opening. Looking around, there were two people in the branch that had a resume suitable to take the slot. Myself and one other guy. OtherGuy was a complete douchebag. He was also one of those guys who measures his self-worth by where he is on the org chart. It didn't take a genius to know OtherGuy was going to apply for the open management slot. I knew that I would NOT work for OtherGuy. That meant that I would mostly likely be job hunting in the near future. As long as I was job hunting, I figured I would apply for the management slot myself. I didn't really want to be a manager but at least my background would dovetail nicely with the position. So I applied for - and got - the management slot. Management was an experience. No doubt. Dealing with drama was way worse than I'd imagined (bad). Similarly dealing with maintaining manpower\/skills pools and such was more challenging that I'd imagined (good). Overall... A very enlightening experience. I'm glad I did it but I'm also glad I'm no longer a manager. That job is just thankless. All the coworkers that you considered friends? Yeah, once you're the boss things go from \"Let's go camping this weekend!\" to \"I don't know you!\" It did give my resume the boost required for \"bigger\" things, however. These days I'm in a Chief Engineer slot. No way would have landed that slot without the management experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7693.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"utw7i3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Your stories about excellent technical engineers who were \"forced\" to become leaders? Maybe it was you or maybe someone you work with or someone you promoted as a leader yourself. Do you have any stories about excellent technical engineers who were \"forced\" to become leaders? As an example, let's say one engineer is an average communicator but excellent technically, the other engineer is an excellent communicator but average technically. Often times, the excellent communicator but average technical engineer asks to become manager or leader, while the average communicator but excellent technical engineer stays silent. You chose the technically excellent but average communicator engineer to become the leader; did that turn out to be a good decision? What were the plusses and minuses? Any interesting stories?","c_root_id_A":"i9c6zr2","c_root_id_B":"i9chkut","created_at_utc_A":1653059656,"created_at_utc_B":1653063833,"score_A":3,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"My department director was a shitty scientist and even worse people manager.","human_ref_B":"Literally my boss. High school valedictorian, graduated top of his class at the air force academy. Registered PE & SE and then all our leaders quit so he became the manager since he was the best engineer on the team. He\u2019a always trying to be involved in technical discussions and manages time and emotions about as well as a toddler. He\u2019s brilliantly technically but so frustrating to work for because deadlines aren\u2019t communicated, he\u2019s as scatterbrained as can be when relaying tasks and delegating responsibilities.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4177.0,"score_ratio":11.6666666667} +{"post_id":"utw7i3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Your stories about excellent technical engineers who were \"forced\" to become leaders? Maybe it was you or maybe someone you work with or someone you promoted as a leader yourself. Do you have any stories about excellent technical engineers who were \"forced\" to become leaders? As an example, let's say one engineer is an average communicator but excellent technically, the other engineer is an excellent communicator but average technically. Often times, the excellent communicator but average technical engineer asks to become manager or leader, while the average communicator but excellent technical engineer stays silent. You chose the technically excellent but average communicator engineer to become the leader; did that turn out to be a good decision? What were the plusses and minuses? Any interesting stories?","c_root_id_A":"i9c6zr2","c_root_id_B":"i9chtya","created_at_utc_A":1653059656,"created_at_utc_B":1653063933,"score_A":3,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"My department director was a shitty scientist and even worse people manager.","human_ref_B":"My mentor out of college when I first started working was an engineers, engineer. Super detail focused, and always had information at the tip of his fingertips prior to massive electronic records stores or google. He was an expert in chemistry and processing methodology. I learned quickly from him several axioms that I use to this day. Most importantly he used to preach, how we get there is just as important as getting there. He was a process engineer after all. But he wasn't a big picture guy. He would throw himself into every project with the same energy and focus, often spiraling away into detail oblivion. He was a relentless documenter. Spending hours writing reports that no one read, or updating a database that only he found valuable. He though of himself as an excellent communicator, because his emails and memos where often *pages long.* He got abused by other departments because they knew he'd couldn't let a mistake go, and always sought perfection even in the face of good enough. When I left the company for a promotion and greener pastures, they offered me his job. He was an excellent engineer, but a poor politician. I was once told by a superior that we can only juggle 10 things and it's our job to decide which things to drop. He tried to juggle everything and end up dropping all of it. A great example of someone that would have been very valuable in a non-management track with VP level salary. If you gave him a strategic project he was excellent and would deliver all the ins and outs. But managing day to day stuff? too much.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4277.0,"score_ratio":6.0} +{"post_id":"utw7i3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Your stories about excellent technical engineers who were \"forced\" to become leaders? Maybe it was you or maybe someone you work with or someone you promoted as a leader yourself. Do you have any stories about excellent technical engineers who were \"forced\" to become leaders? As an example, let's say one engineer is an average communicator but excellent technically, the other engineer is an excellent communicator but average technically. Often times, the excellent communicator but average technical engineer asks to become manager or leader, while the average communicator but excellent technical engineer stays silent. 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Often times, the excellent communicator but average technical engineer asks to become manager or leader, while the average communicator but excellent technical engineer stays silent. You chose the technically excellent but average communicator engineer to become the leader; did that turn out to be a good decision? What were the plusses and minuses? Any interesting stories?","c_root_id_A":"i9cv4do","c_root_id_B":"i9cwg9t","created_at_utc_A":1653069288,"created_at_utc_B":1653069887,"score_A":8,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"The head director\/leader who\u2019s basically running the company shouldn\u2019t be your best engineer. It needs to be your best manager, in my opinion having the following skills from most important to least important: 1. People\/social\/communication skills 2.project management 3. Engineering\/technical skills 4. 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A few months ago my boss called me into his office and basically told me that I was being promoted to team lead whether I liked it or not. I have absolutely no idea what I'm supposed to do all day. One of the project managers is sort of covering for me but I'm probably going to get let go soon. Almost 15 years as an individual contributor and I've never felt less effective.","human_ref_B":"My department director was a shitty scientist and even worse people manager.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10123.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333} +{"post_id":"utw7i3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Your stories about excellent technical engineers who were \"forced\" to become leaders? Maybe it was you or maybe someone you work with or someone you promoted as a leader yourself. Do you have any stories about excellent technical engineers who were \"forced\" to become leaders? As an example, let's say one engineer is an average communicator but excellent technically, the other engineer is an excellent communicator but average technically. Often times, the excellent communicator but average technical engineer asks to become manager or leader, while the average communicator but excellent technical engineer stays silent. You chose the technically excellent but average communicator engineer to become the leader; did that turn out to be a good decision? What were the plusses and minuses? Any interesting stories?","c_root_id_A":"i9c6zr2","c_root_id_B":"i9dvoov","created_at_utc_A":1653059656,"created_at_utc_B":1653086161,"score_A":3,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"My department director was a shitty scientist and even worse people manager.","human_ref_B":"We had a fantastic automation engineer who knew the plant inside and out, and would fix almost anything that ran on 1's and 0's. The automation team leader transferred to another plant, so the decision was made to promote Scott (without his input) so he could lead the team and transfer knowledge to them since the rest of the group was still in their 20's. It went exactly as you'd think. He alienated the entire controls group (because he was also arrogant and couldn't communicate for shit, which was well known but didn't seem to matter), 3 of his direct reports took transfers within 6 months, and then 2 more quit when they were denied transfers. And then he hit 55, took his pension and ran to a local integrator for a huge raise and far less misery. And we lost all that knowledge because he was so pissed that he refused to provide support to our plant (he stipulated that when he went to work for them).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":26505.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667} +{"post_id":"utw7i3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Your stories about excellent technical engineers who were \"forced\" to become leaders? Maybe it was you or maybe someone you work with or someone you promoted as a leader yourself. Do you have any stories about excellent technical engineers who were \"forced\" to become leaders? As an example, let's say one engineer is an average communicator but excellent technically, the other engineer is an excellent communicator but average technically. Often times, the excellent communicator but average technical engineer asks to become manager or leader, while the average communicator but excellent technical engineer stays silent. 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I was very reluctant to do it at first. I knew being a manager would have a lot of new challenges. The main one being: dealing with HR bullshit. Eventually, I accepted out of an acknowledgement that I was the only person in the group who could do it and that if I didn't, they'd go out and hire someone from outside to run the group. It's been a challenge, I'm not going to lie. Learning to me a manager (hopefully a good one) has been much harder than learning to be a good engineer. I've struggled with a lot of aspects of the job. * When you're an individual contributor, your success is only based on your performance, but when you're a manager, your success is based on the team. Managing even average performers after being a high performer is tough. You can't just go do the job yourself, but almost by definition a significant portion of your team's work won't meet your personal standard. * You've got to decide what projects go to the high performers because they need to get done right or done quickly, but you have to balance that against challenging less experienced team members so that they have opportunities to grow. Plus there's usually more 'important' work than the high performers can handle so some important things have to go to less reliable team members. All of that has to be balanced against keeping people happy; you can't overwork anyone, you have to challenge the people who want to be challenged, etc. * I think people who aren't managers really underestimate how much political crap there can be within company management, I know I did. * I think people also tend to overestimate how much power managers have. My engineering group is the highest performing group at our site every year and we are obviously critical to the smooth functioning of the site and the growth of the business. You'd think that would give me leverage to at least have input on how big my team is or what they're paid. My contributions to raises basically amounts to ranking my people. I don't even get to be the person who argues with other departments about who's people are better. * I'm a bad millennial because I do a lot of overtime above my 40. Mostly it has to do with my refusal to half-ass anything. I do feel like I've been rewarded for that work ethic, but I've had to accept that other people usually just don't have that attitude. * As a manager you have to make sure the job gets done with the resources you have, but I don't want any of my people to ever post about me on r\/antiwork. I try to accommodate everyone's personal lives without impacting the group's performance. People should and probably will choose their families over their jobs, but I don't want to put my people in a position where they feel like they have to. * At the same time, we can all claim that people work just as hard from home (or harder) than they do in the office, but as with all things in life, that's true for some people and not for others. It's a hard conversation to have with someone that you have to restrict your work from home policy for them because their productivity has fallen off a cliff. * Which creates a whole other problem of fairness. What can you do to reward high performers without making everyone else feel cheated? 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What is your favorite textbook and why?","c_root_id_A":"i0n6snz","c_root_id_B":"i0njf8u","created_at_utc_A":1647280351,"created_at_utc_B":1647285214,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Shoutout to my boy, the Lamarsh textbook.","human_ref_B":"Advanced Engineering Mathematics - Erwin Kreyszig if I had to pick one book.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4863.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"tdw1ht","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is your favorite textbook of all time? No requirements, it can be anything from an intro text to grad level, and from any area of engineering. What is your favorite textbook and why?","c_root_id_A":"i0nyq3m","c_root_id_B":"i0ms64a","created_at_utc_A":1647291257,"created_at_utc_B":1647274721,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Art of Electronics","human_ref_B":"Into to flight by Anderson. Thermo by Cengel.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16536.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"tdw1ht","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is your favorite textbook of all time? No requirements, it can be anything from an intro text to grad level, and from any area of engineering. What is your favorite textbook and why?","c_root_id_A":"i0mwo3h","c_root_id_B":"i0nyq3m","created_at_utc_A":1647276444,"created_at_utc_B":1647291257,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Ukraine: A History by Subtelny Turns out that was a worthwhile elective.... As far as eningeering textbooks, Garber & Hoel's Traffic and Highway Engineering has been most useful.","human_ref_B":"Art of Electronics","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14813.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"tdw1ht","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is your favorite textbook of all time? 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Generate part from a standard template by inserting a few key dimensions, and have it create the part and the drawing for me automatically 3. Change part number in the assembly and have the python macro change the outside name and assembly number 4. Have a program that automatically creates optimal views for the part drawings and even places some dimensions in place 5. Organize part and assembly drawings of same equipment under a single folder 6. Automatically batch download CAD files from a manufacturer. Think of downloading all Metric bolts with all the length variations from McMaster carr. 7. Run some calculations for bending moment, buckling, deflection etc. The tasks above are the ones coming to my mind so far. I am pretty sure users here are going to come up with more tasks. Please write down in comments if you have a suggestion. I also realize that some of the tasks above are more difficult than others. Such as finding optimal views of parts and placing certain lead dimensions. As the title suggests, I am trying to understand if investing time on python will be better for me as opposed to furthering my skills on conventional mechanical engineering skills. Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"hi19z2q","c_root_id_B":"hi0dz5s","created_at_utc_A":1635196682,"created_at_utc_B":1635183790,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"2 and 3 can be done with Design Tables and custom properties within SOLIDWORKS.","human_ref_B":"The current trend for task automation for mechanical engineering is not python. For your task list you can be better of learning a low-code automation. I used automation anywhere, it\u2019s great. I also heard alteryx and Microsoft is coming with it\u2019s own solution. However by all means learn Python. Eventually using it\u2019s libraries you can code any (most) automation task you want. But where it shines is data engineering, machine learning, etc..","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12892.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im4zug9","c_root_id_B":"im56m1o","created_at_utc_A":1661700883,"created_at_utc_B":1661703645,"score_A":58,"score_B":138,"human_ref_A":"I wouldnt worry if we still have oil in 2052, because we have to get rid of it a lot earlier or climate will be a much bigger problem than an oil shortage","human_ref_B":"If this kind of thing worries you, please read Vaclav Smil's work on the subject. His model consistently creates accurate predictions and has for a number of decades.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2762.0,"score_ratio":2.3793103448} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im56m1o","c_root_id_B":"im52aq6","created_at_utc_A":1661703645,"created_at_utc_B":1661701894,"score_A":138,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"If this kind of thing worries you, please read Vaclav Smil's work on the subject. His model consistently creates accurate predictions and has for a number of decades.","human_ref_B":"What did we do the other 5 times we were predicted to run out and the date passed without issue? Let's just do that again.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1751.0,"score_ratio":9.8571428571} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im548gf","c_root_id_B":"im56m1o","created_at_utc_A":1661702689,"created_at_utc_B":1661703645,"score_A":10,"score_B":138,"human_ref_A":"I think people on this subreddit are likely to be way too dismissive of the oil run out date prediction. There is always a chance that it will happen, and people are way too hubristic about it never happening even though there is still a non zero greater than 1% chance of it happening. The shift to renewable and alternative energy resources couldn\u2019t happen faster even if it is not the most cost effective path right now. The infrastructure required to prop up those alternative energy resources don\u2019t just happen overnight. It\u2019s easier to build on something than to build on nothing.","human_ref_B":"If this kind of thing worries you, please read Vaclav Smil's work on the subject. His model consistently creates accurate predictions and has for a number of decades.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":956.0,"score_ratio":13.8} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im52ra1","c_root_id_B":"im56m1o","created_at_utc_A":1661702082,"created_at_utc_B":1661703645,"score_A":5,"score_B":138,"human_ref_A":"In 1979 they were predicting the end of oil in 30 years. So these predictions by themselves are nearly irrelevant.","human_ref_B":"If this kind of thing worries you, please read Vaclav Smil's work on the subject. His model consistently creates accurate predictions and has for a number of decades.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1563.0,"score_ratio":27.6} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im4zug9","c_root_id_B":"im5h0p5","created_at_utc_A":1661700883,"created_at_utc_B":1661707830,"score_A":58,"score_B":116,"human_ref_A":"I wouldnt worry if we still have oil in 2052, because we have to get rid of it a lot earlier or climate will be a much bigger problem than an oil shortage","human_ref_B":"Estimates are estimates, but geological exploration methods have advanced a lot since then. Look at the general numbers though. Currently the world power consumption rate is about 17 terawatts (TW), of which 15.5 TW is fossil. Hydropower is roughly 1.3 TW, nuclear is roughly 0.4 TW, wind and solar approaching 0.4 TW. One terawatt is roughly 1,100 nuclear plants operating at 90% capacity (right now there are 440 running). It takes 5-10 years to construct a new plant (usually they do them two at a time). One terawatt is roughly 400,000 10 MW wind turbines operating at 25% capacity, and roughly 5 million acres of solar panels operating at 20% capacity (which is a stretch). So basically we need the equivalent of 16,500 nuclear reactors, 6,000,000 windmills, or 75 million acres of solar power. And that's for today's use, what happens when southeast Asia and Africa decide they need the same quality of life as the rest of the world? As much as I'm for removing fossil fuels from the power mix for environmental reasons, the real reason we need to replace them sooner rather than later is we won't have the time to replace them if we wait much longer. Edit: added more discussion to the total power needed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6947.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im52aq6","c_root_id_B":"im5h0p5","created_at_utc_A":1661701894,"created_at_utc_B":1661707830,"score_A":14,"score_B":116,"human_ref_A":"What did we do the other 5 times we were predicted to run out and the date passed without issue? Let's just do that again.","human_ref_B":"Estimates are estimates, but geological exploration methods have advanced a lot since then. Look at the general numbers though. Currently the world power consumption rate is about 17 terawatts (TW), of which 15.5 TW is fossil. Hydropower is roughly 1.3 TW, nuclear is roughly 0.4 TW, wind and solar approaching 0.4 TW. One terawatt is roughly 1,100 nuclear plants operating at 90% capacity (right now there are 440 running). It takes 5-10 years to construct a new plant (usually they do them two at a time). One terawatt is roughly 400,000 10 MW wind turbines operating at 25% capacity, and roughly 5 million acres of solar panels operating at 20% capacity (which is a stretch). So basically we need the equivalent of 16,500 nuclear reactors, 6,000,000 windmills, or 75 million acres of solar power. And that's for today's use, what happens when southeast Asia and Africa decide they need the same quality of life as the rest of the world? As much as I'm for removing fossil fuels from the power mix for environmental reasons, the real reason we need to replace them sooner rather than later is we won't have the time to replace them if we wait much longer. Edit: added more discussion to the total power needed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5936.0,"score_ratio":8.2857142857} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5h0p5","c_root_id_B":"im548gf","created_at_utc_A":1661707830,"created_at_utc_B":1661702689,"score_A":116,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Estimates are estimates, but geological exploration methods have advanced a lot since then. Look at the general numbers though. Currently the world power consumption rate is about 17 terawatts (TW), of which 15.5 TW is fossil. Hydropower is roughly 1.3 TW, nuclear is roughly 0.4 TW, wind and solar approaching 0.4 TW. One terawatt is roughly 1,100 nuclear plants operating at 90% capacity (right now there are 440 running). It takes 5-10 years to construct a new plant (usually they do them two at a time). One terawatt is roughly 400,000 10 MW wind turbines operating at 25% capacity, and roughly 5 million acres of solar panels operating at 20% capacity (which is a stretch). So basically we need the equivalent of 16,500 nuclear reactors, 6,000,000 windmills, or 75 million acres of solar power. And that's for today's use, what happens when southeast Asia and Africa decide they need the same quality of life as the rest of the world? As much as I'm for removing fossil fuels from the power mix for environmental reasons, the real reason we need to replace them sooner rather than later is we won't have the time to replace them if we wait much longer. Edit: added more discussion to the total power needed.","human_ref_B":"I think people on this subreddit are likely to be way too dismissive of the oil run out date prediction. There is always a chance that it will happen, and people are way too hubristic about it never happening even though there is still a non zero greater than 1% chance of it happening. The shift to renewable and alternative energy resources couldn\u2019t happen faster even if it is not the most cost effective path right now. The infrastructure required to prop up those alternative energy resources don\u2019t just happen overnight. It\u2019s easier to build on something than to build on nothing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5141.0,"score_ratio":11.6} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5h0p5","c_root_id_B":"im5bfqp","created_at_utc_A":1661707830,"created_at_utc_B":1661705560,"score_A":116,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Estimates are estimates, but geological exploration methods have advanced a lot since then. Look at the general numbers though. Currently the world power consumption rate is about 17 terawatts (TW), of which 15.5 TW is fossil. Hydropower is roughly 1.3 TW, nuclear is roughly 0.4 TW, wind and solar approaching 0.4 TW. One terawatt is roughly 1,100 nuclear plants operating at 90% capacity (right now there are 440 running). It takes 5-10 years to construct a new plant (usually they do them two at a time). One terawatt is roughly 400,000 10 MW wind turbines operating at 25% capacity, and roughly 5 million acres of solar panels operating at 20% capacity (which is a stretch). So basically we need the equivalent of 16,500 nuclear reactors, 6,000,000 windmills, or 75 million acres of solar power. And that's for today's use, what happens when southeast Asia and Africa decide they need the same quality of life as the rest of the world? As much as I'm for removing fossil fuels from the power mix for environmental reasons, the real reason we need to replace them sooner rather than later is we won't have the time to replace them if we wait much longer. Edit: added more discussion to the total power needed.","human_ref_B":"We are no where near running out of oil. The current discovered reserves can get us beyond 2050 at our current usage and there is still endless untapped\/undiscovered reservoirs Still, we\u2019re moving away from oil and gas and while we can\u2019t support hydrocarbon free energy atm, in 50 years I doubt it will be an issue\u2026 \u2026as we continue to develop alternate sources of energy production in conjunction with energy storage","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2270.0,"score_ratio":19.3333333333} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im52ra1","c_root_id_B":"im5h0p5","created_at_utc_A":1661702082,"created_at_utc_B":1661707830,"score_A":5,"score_B":116,"human_ref_A":"In 1979 they were predicting the end of oil in 30 years. So these predictions by themselves are nearly irrelevant.","human_ref_B":"Estimates are estimates, but geological exploration methods have advanced a lot since then. Look at the general numbers though. Currently the world power consumption rate is about 17 terawatts (TW), of which 15.5 TW is fossil. Hydropower is roughly 1.3 TW, nuclear is roughly 0.4 TW, wind and solar approaching 0.4 TW. One terawatt is roughly 1,100 nuclear plants operating at 90% capacity (right now there are 440 running). It takes 5-10 years to construct a new plant (usually they do them two at a time). One terawatt is roughly 400,000 10 MW wind turbines operating at 25% capacity, and roughly 5 million acres of solar panels operating at 20% capacity (which is a stretch). So basically we need the equivalent of 16,500 nuclear reactors, 6,000,000 windmills, or 75 million acres of solar power. And that's for today's use, what happens when southeast Asia and Africa decide they need the same quality of life as the rest of the world? As much as I'm for removing fossil fuels from the power mix for environmental reasons, the real reason we need to replace them sooner rather than later is we won't have the time to replace them if we wait much longer. Edit: added more discussion to the total power needed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5748.0,"score_ratio":23.2} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5b7v4","c_root_id_B":"im5h0p5","created_at_utc_A":1661705472,"created_at_utc_B":1661707830,"score_A":5,"score_B":116,"human_ref_A":"If all the currently availble fossil fuels are burned, we are fucked. The climate crisis is a real thing! https:\/\/www.ipcc.ch\/","human_ref_B":"Estimates are estimates, but geological exploration methods have advanced a lot since then. Look at the general numbers though. Currently the world power consumption rate is about 17 terawatts (TW), of which 15.5 TW is fossil. Hydropower is roughly 1.3 TW, nuclear is roughly 0.4 TW, wind and solar approaching 0.4 TW. One terawatt is roughly 1,100 nuclear plants operating at 90% capacity (right now there are 440 running). It takes 5-10 years to construct a new plant (usually they do them two at a time). One terawatt is roughly 400,000 10 MW wind turbines operating at 25% capacity, and roughly 5 million acres of solar panels operating at 20% capacity (which is a stretch). So basically we need the equivalent of 16,500 nuclear reactors, 6,000,000 windmills, or 75 million acres of solar power. And that's for today's use, what happens when southeast Asia and Africa decide they need the same quality of life as the rest of the world? As much as I'm for removing fossil fuels from the power mix for environmental reasons, the real reason we need to replace them sooner rather than later is we won't have the time to replace them if we wait much longer. Edit: added more discussion to the total power needed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2358.0,"score_ratio":23.2} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5gwo1","c_root_id_B":"im5h0p5","created_at_utc_A":1661707785,"created_at_utc_B":1661707830,"score_A":4,"score_B":116,"human_ref_A":"There is a finite amount of resources on this planet, yes. But it is unlikely that the earth will ran out of oil\/gas in our lifetimes. All reserves are not created equal and easier\/cheaper oil will get depleted and more costlier\/harder to get oil will remain. Technology has decreased costs and allowed for more costlier oil to be producers cheaper (Shale for example) . The thing is, the harder it gets to get it the more expensive it\u2019s going to be and therefore alternatives will now be comparable in economic terms as demand will decrease\/flatten. So will we run out of it? More than likely at some point. Will it be in a specific date? Unlikely in the next 20-30 years , and dependent on a plethora or factors and scenarios it is almost impossible to say when","human_ref_B":"Estimates are estimates, but geological exploration methods have advanced a lot since then. Look at the general numbers though. Currently the world power consumption rate is about 17 terawatts (TW), of which 15.5 TW is fossil. Hydropower is roughly 1.3 TW, nuclear is roughly 0.4 TW, wind and solar approaching 0.4 TW. One terawatt is roughly 1,100 nuclear plants operating at 90% capacity (right now there are 440 running). It takes 5-10 years to construct a new plant (usually they do them two at a time). One terawatt is roughly 400,000 10 MW wind turbines operating at 25% capacity, and roughly 5 million acres of solar panels operating at 20% capacity (which is a stretch). So basically we need the equivalent of 16,500 nuclear reactors, 6,000,000 windmills, or 75 million acres of solar power. And that's for today's use, what happens when southeast Asia and Africa decide they need the same quality of life as the rest of the world? As much as I'm for removing fossil fuels from the power mix for environmental reasons, the real reason we need to replace them sooner rather than later is we won't have the time to replace them if we wait much longer. Edit: added more discussion to the total power needed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":45.0,"score_ratio":29.0} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im52aq6","c_root_id_B":"im5h7l1","created_at_utc_A":1661701894,"created_at_utc_B":1661707910,"score_A":14,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"What did we do the other 5 times we were predicted to run out and the date passed without issue? Let's just do that again.","human_ref_B":"You might like a book called the Doomsday Myth. https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/2025941.The\\_Doomsday\\_Myth The gist is that throughout the ages, people have worried about running out of a key resource such as rubber, whale oil, etc. Each time the free market has worked to allow new substitutions that were once too expensive (such as renewable energy today) to take the place of the old resource.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6016.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5h7l1","c_root_id_B":"im548gf","created_at_utc_A":1661707910,"created_at_utc_B":1661702689,"score_A":24,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"You might like a book called the Doomsday Myth. https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/2025941.The\\_Doomsday\\_Myth The gist is that throughout the ages, people have worried about running out of a key resource such as rubber, whale oil, etc. Each time the free market has worked to allow new substitutions that were once too expensive (such as renewable energy today) to take the place of the old resource.","human_ref_B":"I think people on this subreddit are likely to be way too dismissive of the oil run out date prediction. There is always a chance that it will happen, and people are way too hubristic about it never happening even though there is still a non zero greater than 1% chance of it happening. The shift to renewable and alternative energy resources couldn\u2019t happen faster even if it is not the most cost effective path right now. The infrastructure required to prop up those alternative energy resources don\u2019t just happen overnight. It\u2019s easier to build on something than to build on nothing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5221.0,"score_ratio":2.4} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5bfqp","c_root_id_B":"im5h7l1","created_at_utc_A":1661705560,"created_at_utc_B":1661707910,"score_A":6,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"We are no where near running out of oil. The current discovered reserves can get us beyond 2050 at our current usage and there is still endless untapped\/undiscovered reservoirs Still, we\u2019re moving away from oil and gas and while we can\u2019t support hydrocarbon free energy atm, in 50 years I doubt it will be an issue\u2026 \u2026as we continue to develop alternate sources of energy production in conjunction with energy storage","human_ref_B":"You might like a book called the Doomsday Myth. https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/2025941.The\\_Doomsday\\_Myth The gist is that throughout the ages, people have worried about running out of a key resource such as rubber, whale oil, etc. Each time the free market has worked to allow new substitutions that were once too expensive (such as renewable energy today) to take the place of the old resource.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2350.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im52ra1","c_root_id_B":"im5h7l1","created_at_utc_A":1661702082,"created_at_utc_B":1661707910,"score_A":5,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"In 1979 they were predicting the end of oil in 30 years. So these predictions by themselves are nearly irrelevant.","human_ref_B":"You might like a book called the Doomsday Myth. https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/2025941.The\\_Doomsday\\_Myth The gist is that throughout the ages, people have worried about running out of a key resource such as rubber, whale oil, etc. Each time the free market has worked to allow new substitutions that were once too expensive (such as renewable energy today) to take the place of the old resource.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5828.0,"score_ratio":4.8} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5b7v4","c_root_id_B":"im5h7l1","created_at_utc_A":1661705472,"created_at_utc_B":1661707910,"score_A":5,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"If all the currently availble fossil fuels are burned, we are fucked. The climate crisis is a real thing! https:\/\/www.ipcc.ch\/","human_ref_B":"You might like a book called the Doomsday Myth. https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/2025941.The\\_Doomsday\\_Myth The gist is that throughout the ages, people have worried about running out of a key resource such as rubber, whale oil, etc. Each time the free market has worked to allow new substitutions that were once too expensive (such as renewable energy today) to take the place of the old resource.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2438.0,"score_ratio":4.8} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5h7l1","c_root_id_B":"im5gwo1","created_at_utc_A":1661707910,"created_at_utc_B":1661707785,"score_A":24,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You might like a book called the Doomsday Myth. https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/2025941.The\\_Doomsday\\_Myth The gist is that throughout the ages, people have worried about running out of a key resource such as rubber, whale oil, etc. Each time the free market has worked to allow new substitutions that were once too expensive (such as renewable energy today) to take the place of the old resource.","human_ref_B":"There is a finite amount of resources on this planet, yes. But it is unlikely that the earth will ran out of oil\/gas in our lifetimes. All reserves are not created equal and easier\/cheaper oil will get depleted and more costlier\/harder to get oil will remain. Technology has decreased costs and allowed for more costlier oil to be producers cheaper (Shale for example) . The thing is, the harder it gets to get it the more expensive it\u2019s going to be and therefore alternatives will now be comparable in economic terms as demand will decrease\/flatten. So will we run out of it? More than likely at some point. Will it be in a specific date? Unlikely in the next 20-30 years , and dependent on a plethora or factors and scenarios it is almost impossible to say when","labels":1,"seconds_difference":125.0,"score_ratio":6.0} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im52aq6","c_root_id_B":"im5uauv","created_at_utc_A":1661701894,"created_at_utc_B":1661713273,"score_A":14,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"What did we do the other 5 times we were predicted to run out and the date passed without issue? Let's just do that again.","human_ref_B":"There will never be a run out date. We don't run out of resources, that's not how it works. Resources become scare, as scarcity increases the cost of that resource goes up. That causes new methods of extraction to become viable while also cutting off segments of the market. Some people will find themselves at the forefront of new extraction and will benefit. Others will find themselves without a resource they depended on for survival and will suffer. If it happens slowly we might adapt and handle it well. If it happens quickly many people will suffer, and mass unrest will cause political upheaval and wars. Oil of course is a different beast because it's already political and we should be artificially curtailing it's use. \"Peak Oil\" and \"Oil run out by date\" are all predicated on us using oil on a purely economic feedback basis and don't consider existing environmental political action. Millions of billions of people are going to suffer. Our way of life is not sustainable, and when reality catches up with us it's going to be a mess. That is unfortunately not an engineering problem at this point, and if you're looking for insight into that we're going to need experts in the humanities, not STEM.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11379.0,"score_ratio":1.2142857143} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5uauv","c_root_id_B":"im548gf","created_at_utc_A":1661713273,"created_at_utc_B":1661702689,"score_A":17,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"There will never be a run out date. We don't run out of resources, that's not how it works. Resources become scare, as scarcity increases the cost of that resource goes up. That causes new methods of extraction to become viable while also cutting off segments of the market. Some people will find themselves at the forefront of new extraction and will benefit. Others will find themselves without a resource they depended on for survival and will suffer. If it happens slowly we might adapt and handle it well. If it happens quickly many people will suffer, and mass unrest will cause political upheaval and wars. Oil of course is a different beast because it's already political and we should be artificially curtailing it's use. \"Peak Oil\" and \"Oil run out by date\" are all predicated on us using oil on a purely economic feedback basis and don't consider existing environmental political action. Millions of billions of people are going to suffer. Our way of life is not sustainable, and when reality catches up with us it's going to be a mess. That is unfortunately not an engineering problem at this point, and if you're looking for insight into that we're going to need experts in the humanities, not STEM.","human_ref_B":"I think people on this subreddit are likely to be way too dismissive of the oil run out date prediction. There is always a chance that it will happen, and people are way too hubristic about it never happening even though there is still a non zero greater than 1% chance of it happening. The shift to renewable and alternative energy resources couldn\u2019t happen faster even if it is not the most cost effective path right now. The infrastructure required to prop up those alternative energy resources don\u2019t just happen overnight. It\u2019s easier to build on something than to build on nothing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10584.0,"score_ratio":1.7} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5nm7h","c_root_id_B":"im5uauv","created_at_utc_A":1661710519,"created_at_utc_B":1661713273,"score_A":7,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"We aren\u2019t going to hit peak oil by hitting reserve limits. Peak oil will be peak demand and that is coming faster than you think as we rapidly decarbonize. America even made more power from wind than from coal power this spring and every wind turbine manufacturer is booked out for years. It\u2019s simply cheaper and more profitable to build A new wind or solar farm than dump fuel into an existing power plant over 5-7 years. Now the economic model is to get a 5-7 year loan and go nuts building green power. This expensive natural gas has done nothing but cause green energy sources to rapidly ramp up. More consumers want an electric car than a gas car at their next vehicle purchase. And if you want to watch really rapid decarbonization, watch what the EU does over the next 24 months. This is their moon shot.","human_ref_B":"There will never be a run out date. We don't run out of resources, that's not how it works. Resources become scare, as scarcity increases the cost of that resource goes up. That causes new methods of extraction to become viable while also cutting off segments of the market. Some people will find themselves at the forefront of new extraction and will benefit. Others will find themselves without a resource they depended on for survival and will suffer. If it happens slowly we might adapt and handle it well. If it happens quickly many people will suffer, and mass unrest will cause political upheaval and wars. Oil of course is a different beast because it's already political and we should be artificially curtailing it's use. \"Peak Oil\" and \"Oil run out by date\" are all predicated on us using oil on a purely economic feedback basis and don't consider existing environmental political action. Millions of billions of people are going to suffer. Our way of life is not sustainable, and when reality catches up with us it's going to be a mess. That is unfortunately not an engineering problem at this point, and if you're looking for insight into that we're going to need experts in the humanities, not STEM.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2754.0,"score_ratio":2.4285714286} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5uauv","c_root_id_B":"im5bfqp","created_at_utc_A":1661713273,"created_at_utc_B":1661705560,"score_A":17,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"There will never be a run out date. We don't run out of resources, that's not how it works. Resources become scare, as scarcity increases the cost of that resource goes up. That causes new methods of extraction to become viable while also cutting off segments of the market. Some people will find themselves at the forefront of new extraction and will benefit. Others will find themselves without a resource they depended on for survival and will suffer. If it happens slowly we might adapt and handle it well. If it happens quickly many people will suffer, and mass unrest will cause political upheaval and wars. Oil of course is a different beast because it's already political and we should be artificially curtailing it's use. \"Peak Oil\" and \"Oil run out by date\" are all predicated on us using oil on a purely economic feedback basis and don't consider existing environmental political action. Millions of billions of people are going to suffer. Our way of life is not sustainable, and when reality catches up with us it's going to be a mess. That is unfortunately not an engineering problem at this point, and if you're looking for insight into that we're going to need experts in the humanities, not STEM.","human_ref_B":"We are no where near running out of oil. The current discovered reserves can get us beyond 2050 at our current usage and there is still endless untapped\/undiscovered reservoirs Still, we\u2019re moving away from oil and gas and while we can\u2019t support hydrocarbon free energy atm, in 50 years I doubt it will be an issue\u2026 \u2026as we continue to develop alternate sources of energy production in conjunction with energy storage","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7713.0,"score_ratio":2.8333333333} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im52ra1","c_root_id_B":"im5uauv","created_at_utc_A":1661702082,"created_at_utc_B":1661713273,"score_A":5,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"In 1979 they were predicting the end of oil in 30 years. So these predictions by themselves are nearly irrelevant.","human_ref_B":"There will never be a run out date. We don't run out of resources, that's not how it works. Resources become scare, as scarcity increases the cost of that resource goes up. That causes new methods of extraction to become viable while also cutting off segments of the market. Some people will find themselves at the forefront of new extraction and will benefit. Others will find themselves without a resource they depended on for survival and will suffer. If it happens slowly we might adapt and handle it well. If it happens quickly many people will suffer, and mass unrest will cause political upheaval and wars. Oil of course is a different beast because it's already political and we should be artificially curtailing it's use. \"Peak Oil\" and \"Oil run out by date\" are all predicated on us using oil on a purely economic feedback basis and don't consider existing environmental political action. Millions of billions of people are going to suffer. Our way of life is not sustainable, and when reality catches up with us it's going to be a mess. That is unfortunately not an engineering problem at this point, and if you're looking for insight into that we're going to need experts in the humanities, not STEM.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11191.0,"score_ratio":3.4} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5uauv","c_root_id_B":"im5b7v4","created_at_utc_A":1661713273,"created_at_utc_B":1661705472,"score_A":17,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"There will never be a run out date. We don't run out of resources, that's not how it works. Resources become scare, as scarcity increases the cost of that resource goes up. That causes new methods of extraction to become viable while also cutting off segments of the market. Some people will find themselves at the forefront of new extraction and will benefit. Others will find themselves without a resource they depended on for survival and will suffer. If it happens slowly we might adapt and handle it well. If it happens quickly many people will suffer, and mass unrest will cause political upheaval and wars. Oil of course is a different beast because it's already political and we should be artificially curtailing it's use. \"Peak Oil\" and \"Oil run out by date\" are all predicated on us using oil on a purely economic feedback basis and don't consider existing environmental political action. Millions of billions of people are going to suffer. Our way of life is not sustainable, and when reality catches up with us it's going to be a mess. That is unfortunately not an engineering problem at this point, and if you're looking for insight into that we're going to need experts in the humanities, not STEM.","human_ref_B":"If all the currently availble fossil fuels are burned, we are fucked. The climate crisis is a real thing! https:\/\/www.ipcc.ch\/","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7801.0,"score_ratio":3.4} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5uauv","c_root_id_B":"im5gwo1","created_at_utc_A":1661713273,"created_at_utc_B":1661707785,"score_A":17,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"There will never be a run out date. We don't run out of resources, that's not how it works. Resources become scare, as scarcity increases the cost of that resource goes up. That causes new methods of extraction to become viable while also cutting off segments of the market. Some people will find themselves at the forefront of new extraction and will benefit. Others will find themselves without a resource they depended on for survival and will suffer. If it happens slowly we might adapt and handle it well. If it happens quickly many people will suffer, and mass unrest will cause political upheaval and wars. Oil of course is a different beast because it's already political and we should be artificially curtailing it's use. \"Peak Oil\" and \"Oil run out by date\" are all predicated on us using oil on a purely economic feedback basis and don't consider existing environmental political action. Millions of billions of people are going to suffer. Our way of life is not sustainable, and when reality catches up with us it's going to be a mess. That is unfortunately not an engineering problem at this point, and if you're looking for insight into that we're going to need experts in the humanities, not STEM.","human_ref_B":"There is a finite amount of resources on this planet, yes. But it is unlikely that the earth will ran out of oil\/gas in our lifetimes. All reserves are not created equal and easier\/cheaper oil will get depleted and more costlier\/harder to get oil will remain. Technology has decreased costs and allowed for more costlier oil to be producers cheaper (Shale for example) . The thing is, the harder it gets to get it the more expensive it\u2019s going to be and therefore alternatives will now be comparable in economic terms as demand will decrease\/flatten. So will we run out of it? More than likely at some point. Will it be in a specific date? Unlikely in the next 20-30 years , and dependent on a plethora or factors and scenarios it is almost impossible to say when","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5488.0,"score_ratio":4.25} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im52ra1","c_root_id_B":"im548gf","created_at_utc_A":1661702082,"created_at_utc_B":1661702689,"score_A":5,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"In 1979 they were predicting the end of oil in 30 years. So these predictions by themselves are nearly irrelevant.","human_ref_B":"I think people on this subreddit are likely to be way too dismissive of the oil run out date prediction. There is always a chance that it will happen, and people are way too hubristic about it never happening even though there is still a non zero greater than 1% chance of it happening. The shift to renewable and alternative energy resources couldn\u2019t happen faster even if it is not the most cost effective path right now. The infrastructure required to prop up those alternative energy resources don\u2019t just happen overnight. It\u2019s easier to build on something than to build on nothing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":607.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5bfqp","c_root_id_B":"im5nm7h","created_at_utc_A":1661705560,"created_at_utc_B":1661710519,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"We are no where near running out of oil. The current discovered reserves can get us beyond 2050 at our current usage and there is still endless untapped\/undiscovered reservoirs Still, we\u2019re moving away from oil and gas and while we can\u2019t support hydrocarbon free energy atm, in 50 years I doubt it will be an issue\u2026 \u2026as we continue to develop alternate sources of energy production in conjunction with energy storage","human_ref_B":"We aren\u2019t going to hit peak oil by hitting reserve limits. Peak oil will be peak demand and that is coming faster than you think as we rapidly decarbonize. America even made more power from wind than from coal power this spring and every wind turbine manufacturer is booked out for years. It\u2019s simply cheaper and more profitable to build A new wind or solar farm than dump fuel into an existing power plant over 5-7 years. Now the economic model is to get a 5-7 year loan and go nuts building green power. This expensive natural gas has done nothing but cause green energy sources to rapidly ramp up. More consumers want an electric car than a gas car at their next vehicle purchase. And if you want to watch really rapid decarbonization, watch what the EU does over the next 24 months. This is their moon shot.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4959.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5nm7h","c_root_id_B":"im52ra1","created_at_utc_A":1661710519,"created_at_utc_B":1661702082,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"We aren\u2019t going to hit peak oil by hitting reserve limits. Peak oil will be peak demand and that is coming faster than you think as we rapidly decarbonize. America even made more power from wind than from coal power this spring and every wind turbine manufacturer is booked out for years. It\u2019s simply cheaper and more profitable to build A new wind or solar farm than dump fuel into an existing power plant over 5-7 years. Now the economic model is to get a 5-7 year loan and go nuts building green power. This expensive natural gas has done nothing but cause green energy sources to rapidly ramp up. More consumers want an electric car than a gas car at their next vehicle purchase. And if you want to watch really rapid decarbonization, watch what the EU does over the next 24 months. This is their moon shot.","human_ref_B":"In 1979 they were predicting the end of oil in 30 years. So these predictions by themselves are nearly irrelevant.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8437.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5nm7h","c_root_id_B":"im5b7v4","created_at_utc_A":1661710519,"created_at_utc_B":1661705472,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"We aren\u2019t going to hit peak oil by hitting reserve limits. Peak oil will be peak demand and that is coming faster than you think as we rapidly decarbonize. America even made more power from wind than from coal power this spring and every wind turbine manufacturer is booked out for years. It\u2019s simply cheaper and more profitable to build A new wind or solar farm than dump fuel into an existing power plant over 5-7 years. Now the economic model is to get a 5-7 year loan and go nuts building green power. This expensive natural gas has done nothing but cause green energy sources to rapidly ramp up. More consumers want an electric car than a gas car at their next vehicle purchase. And if you want to watch really rapid decarbonization, watch what the EU does over the next 24 months. This is their moon shot.","human_ref_B":"If all the currently availble fossil fuels are burned, we are fucked. The climate crisis is a real thing! https:\/\/www.ipcc.ch\/","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5047.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5gwo1","c_root_id_B":"im5nm7h","created_at_utc_A":1661707785,"created_at_utc_B":1661710519,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"There is a finite amount of resources on this planet, yes. But it is unlikely that the earth will ran out of oil\/gas in our lifetimes. All reserves are not created equal and easier\/cheaper oil will get depleted and more costlier\/harder to get oil will remain. Technology has decreased costs and allowed for more costlier oil to be producers cheaper (Shale for example) . The thing is, the harder it gets to get it the more expensive it\u2019s going to be and therefore alternatives will now be comparable in economic terms as demand will decrease\/flatten. So will we run out of it? More than likely at some point. Will it be in a specific date? Unlikely in the next 20-30 years , and dependent on a plethora or factors and scenarios it is almost impossible to say when","human_ref_B":"We aren\u2019t going to hit peak oil by hitting reserve limits. Peak oil will be peak demand and that is coming faster than you think as we rapidly decarbonize. America even made more power from wind than from coal power this spring and every wind turbine manufacturer is booked out for years. It\u2019s simply cheaper and more profitable to build A new wind or solar farm than dump fuel into an existing power plant over 5-7 years. Now the economic model is to get a 5-7 year loan and go nuts building green power. This expensive natural gas has done nothing but cause green energy sources to rapidly ramp up. More consumers want an electric car than a gas car at their next vehicle purchase. And if you want to watch really rapid decarbonization, watch what the EU does over the next 24 months. This is their moon shot.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2734.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im52ra1","c_root_id_B":"im70wwn","created_at_utc_A":1661702082,"created_at_utc_B":1661731827,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"In 1979 they were predicting the end of oil in 30 years. So these predictions by themselves are nearly irrelevant.","human_ref_B":"if we're still on a carbon-based energy economy by the time those fuels run out, running out will be the least of our problems. With all of that carbon in the atmosphere, climate change will have severely altered the climate.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29745.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im70wwn","c_root_id_B":"im5b7v4","created_at_utc_A":1661731827,"created_at_utc_B":1661705472,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"if we're still on a carbon-based energy economy by the time those fuels run out, running out will be the least of our problems. With all of that carbon in the atmosphere, climate change will have severely altered the climate.","human_ref_B":"If all the currently availble fossil fuels are burned, we are fucked. The climate crisis is a real thing! https:\/\/www.ipcc.ch\/","labels":1,"seconds_difference":26355.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5gwo1","c_root_id_B":"im70wwn","created_at_utc_A":1661707785,"created_at_utc_B":1661731827,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"There is a finite amount of resources on this planet, yes. But it is unlikely that the earth will ran out of oil\/gas in our lifetimes. All reserves are not created equal and easier\/cheaper oil will get depleted and more costlier\/harder to get oil will remain. Technology has decreased costs and allowed for more costlier oil to be producers cheaper (Shale for example) . The thing is, the harder it gets to get it the more expensive it\u2019s going to be and therefore alternatives will now be comparable in economic terms as demand will decrease\/flatten. So will we run out of it? More than likely at some point. Will it be in a specific date? Unlikely in the next 20-30 years , and dependent on a plethora or factors and scenarios it is almost impossible to say when","human_ref_B":"if we're still on a carbon-based energy economy by the time those fuels run out, running out will be the least of our problems. With all of that carbon in the atmosphere, climate change will have severely altered the climate.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24042.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im52ra1","c_root_id_B":"im5bfqp","created_at_utc_A":1661702082,"created_at_utc_B":1661705560,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"In 1979 they were predicting the end of oil in 30 years. So these predictions by themselves are nearly irrelevant.","human_ref_B":"We are no where near running out of oil. The current discovered reserves can get us beyond 2050 at our current usage and there is still endless untapped\/undiscovered reservoirs Still, we\u2019re moving away from oil and gas and while we can\u2019t support hydrocarbon free energy atm, in 50 years I doubt it will be an issue\u2026 \u2026as we continue to develop alternate sources of energy production in conjunction with energy storage","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3478.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"wzxpb5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"The current oil run out date is around 2052: Should we worry? According to the MAHB, the world\u2019s oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. Is this as alarming as it sounds? I don't want to sound like a doomsday truther, but it seems like nobody is worried in the public space, and this seems kinda big. *** I know 30-40 years is a bit away, but I don't think the world could genuinely transfer over enough infrastructure in time if those dates don't change due to new discoveries in other energy + increases in efficiency within oil\/natural gas. *** If we run out of oil in 2052 what would our action plan even be? I know we most likely have some oil that hasn't been found, but do we even have an estimate on how much that could even be? Are there alternatives we are working on? *** What about natural gas running out in 2060? Is this tied to oil reserves? Is it less or more worrying? *** Moving past everything using oil\/gas for power and to operate correctly, there are just so many industries that would be impacted. For example, how will we do any form of injection molding? Are there non-oil based plastics in the works? *** I just worry that millions, if not billions, of people are going to suffer when these dates creep closer. What are your thoughts from an engineering perspective?","c_root_id_A":"im5b7v4","c_root_id_B":"im5bfqp","created_at_utc_A":1661705472,"created_at_utc_B":1661705560,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"If all the currently availble fossil fuels are burned, we are fucked. The climate crisis is a real thing! https:\/\/www.ipcc.ch\/","human_ref_B":"We are no where near running out of oil. The current discovered reserves can get us beyond 2050 at our current usage and there is still endless untapped\/undiscovered reservoirs Still, we\u2019re moving away from oil and gas and while we can\u2019t support hydrocarbon free energy atm, in 50 years I doubt it will be an issue\u2026 \u2026as we continue to develop alternate sources of energy production in conjunction with energy storage","labels":0,"seconds_difference":88.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"oimb47","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"How do you go about knowing all the relevant clauses in an engineering standard that is hundreds of pages long that are scattered throughout the standard? Some engineering standards are hundreds of pages long and I've been caught out a number of times with not knowing about these small clauses buried deep in a standard that have design implications on my project. Short of asking a senior engineer and hoping and praying they know, how do you know make yourself aware that a relevant clause exists out there? Don't necessarily need to know exactly what it is but knowing it exists and where to find it has been my biggest challenge. I'm a Building Services electrical engineer so the local wiring rules standard is the holy bible for me. However, that's like 400 pages and so there's always going to be some clause tucked away that is like a sentence long and yet would have big design implications. I'm reading that cover to cover and bookmarking & highlighting everything that is relevant. However, there's going to be all these other standards out there that I won't have time to read cover to cover. How do I go about knowing what may be relevant in an engineering standard to each project I do?","c_root_id_A":"h4wsshm","c_root_id_B":"h4wpsmp","created_at_utc_A":1626090874,"created_at_utc_B":1626088701,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Ideally a systems engineer or architect should have done the work for you, \"do x in accordance with standard y section z\" but that is very rarely the case too often someone will have accepted this as a requirement \"build in accordance with all relevant standards and legislation\" For an actual tip: I find it's quite good to get the standards into a proper requirements tool (I use DOORS at work, other tools are available and probably better,) and create an applicability matrix of sections and clauses for the type of installation, essentially creating a design check list. Then when you are working you can look it up and work out what sections you need to follow.","human_ref_B":"I know, or knew, a few structural welding codes pretty well. It happened in from a combination of reading them multiple times, and more importantly, working with experienced PEs that would point out omissions. Fun fact... I am a new homeowner and this shit is why I hesitate to do a lot of DIY in my home. I dont have the first idea about building codes and TBH I just don't have the will or interest to read them in my free time. I have no idea how so many people DIY stuff in their house and claim it's all up to code. Especially since building codes are different for each CITY?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2173.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"oimb47","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"How do you go about knowing all the relevant clauses in an engineering standard that is hundreds of pages long that are scattered throughout the standard? Some engineering standards are hundreds of pages long and I've been caught out a number of times with not knowing about these small clauses buried deep in a standard that have design implications on my project. Short of asking a senior engineer and hoping and praying they know, how do you know make yourself aware that a relevant clause exists out there? Don't necessarily need to know exactly what it is but knowing it exists and where to find it has been my biggest challenge. I'm a Building Services electrical engineer so the local wiring rules standard is the holy bible for me. However, that's like 400 pages and so there's always going to be some clause tucked away that is like a sentence long and yet would have big design implications. I'm reading that cover to cover and bookmarking & highlighting everything that is relevant. However, there's going to be all these other standards out there that I won't have time to read cover to cover. How do I go about knowing what may be relevant in an engineering standard to each project I do?","c_root_id_A":"h4wsshm","c_root_id_B":"h4wniqm","created_at_utc_A":1626090874,"created_at_utc_B":1626086852,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Ideally a systems engineer or architect should have done the work for you, \"do x in accordance with standard y section z\" but that is very rarely the case too often someone will have accepted this as a requirement \"build in accordance with all relevant standards and legislation\" For an actual tip: I find it's quite good to get the standards into a proper requirements tool (I use DOORS at work, other tools are available and probably better,) and create an applicability matrix of sections and clauses for the type of installation, essentially creating a design check list. Then when you are working you can look it up and work out what sections you need to follow.","human_ref_B":"Go through it in detail a couple times creating a checklist for your self, copy out important tables of data, equations etc. noting down the page and clause number, that way you can simply follow the checklist but you can always refer to the specific clause when needed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4022.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"oimb47","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"How do you go about knowing all the relevant clauses in an engineering standard that is hundreds of pages long that are scattered throughout the standard? Some engineering standards are hundreds of pages long and I've been caught out a number of times with not knowing about these small clauses buried deep in a standard that have design implications on my project. Short of asking a senior engineer and hoping and praying they know, how do you know make yourself aware that a relevant clause exists out there? Don't necessarily need to know exactly what it is but knowing it exists and where to find it has been my biggest challenge. I'm a Building Services electrical engineer so the local wiring rules standard is the holy bible for me. However, that's like 400 pages and so there's always going to be some clause tucked away that is like a sentence long and yet would have big design implications. I'm reading that cover to cover and bookmarking & highlighting everything that is relevant. However, there's going to be all these other standards out there that I won't have time to read cover to cover. How do I go about knowing what may be relevant in an engineering standard to each project I do?","c_root_id_A":"h4wpsmp","c_root_id_B":"h4wy917","created_at_utc_A":1626088701,"created_at_utc_B":1626094374,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I know, or knew, a few structural welding codes pretty well. It happened in from a combination of reading them multiple times, and more importantly, working with experienced PEs that would point out omissions. Fun fact... I am a new homeowner and this shit is why I hesitate to do a lot of DIY in my home. I dont have the first idea about building codes and TBH I just don't have the will or interest to read them in my free time. I have no idea how so many people DIY stuff in their house and claim it's all up to code. Especially since building codes are different for each CITY?","human_ref_B":"In mechanical and had a very similar experience with the pressure vessel code recently. With that one at least, the truth seems to be that no one, or very few people anyway, actually know the entire code. We've had TSSA inspectors completely miss errors that I managed to catch when reviewing drawings against the code as I was trying to study it. To some degree, I think the focus is often on catching glaring errors more than the tiny details, with the tiny details likely becoming more important for more critical\/hazardous designs. And knowing what to focus on would come with experience. However, after having to delve into the BPVC a couple times now, I don't think I want to be the one getting that experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5673.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"oimb47","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"How do you go about knowing all the relevant clauses in an engineering standard that is hundreds of pages long that are scattered throughout the standard? Some engineering standards are hundreds of pages long and I've been caught out a number of times with not knowing about these small clauses buried deep in a standard that have design implications on my project. Short of asking a senior engineer and hoping and praying they know, how do you know make yourself aware that a relevant clause exists out there? Don't necessarily need to know exactly what it is but knowing it exists and where to find it has been my biggest challenge. I'm a Building Services electrical engineer so the local wiring rules standard is the holy bible for me. However, that's like 400 pages and so there's always going to be some clause tucked away that is like a sentence long and yet would have big design implications. I'm reading that cover to cover and bookmarking & highlighting everything that is relevant. However, there's going to be all these other standards out there that I won't have time to read cover to cover. How do I go about knowing what may be relevant in an engineering standard to each project I do?","c_root_id_A":"h4wtg8c","c_root_id_B":"h4wy917","created_at_utc_A":1626091331,"created_at_utc_B":1626094374,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"You build a compliance matrix. I would build them in excel, it would break down every req from the standard, page, section, type, the compliance, what teams responsibility it is, how it will be complied with. You build bassist a giant checklist, then you do the work, then you review the work. This is something a systems engineer would do for you, unless you are in a small team.","human_ref_B":"In mechanical and had a very similar experience with the pressure vessel code recently. With that one at least, the truth seems to be that no one, or very few people anyway, actually know the entire code. We've had TSSA inspectors completely miss errors that I managed to catch when reviewing drawings against the code as I was trying to study it. To some degree, I think the focus is often on catching glaring errors more than the tiny details, with the tiny details likely becoming more important for more critical\/hazardous designs. And knowing what to focus on would come with experience. However, after having to delve into the BPVC a couple times now, I don't think I want to be the one getting that experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3043.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"oimb47","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"How do you go about knowing all the relevant clauses in an engineering standard that is hundreds of pages long that are scattered throughout the standard? Some engineering standards are hundreds of pages long and I've been caught out a number of times with not knowing about these small clauses buried deep in a standard that have design implications on my project. Short of asking a senior engineer and hoping and praying they know, how do you know make yourself aware that a relevant clause exists out there? Don't necessarily need to know exactly what it is but knowing it exists and where to find it has been my biggest challenge. I'm a Building Services electrical engineer so the local wiring rules standard is the holy bible for me. However, that's like 400 pages and so there's always going to be some clause tucked away that is like a sentence long and yet would have big design implications. I'm reading that cover to cover and bookmarking & highlighting everything that is relevant. However, there's going to be all these other standards out there that I won't have time to read cover to cover. How do I go about knowing what may be relevant in an engineering standard to each project I do?","c_root_id_A":"h4wy917","c_root_id_B":"h4wxcc4","created_at_utc_A":1626094374,"created_at_utc_B":1626093836,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"In mechanical and had a very similar experience with the pressure vessel code recently. With that one at least, the truth seems to be that no one, or very few people anyway, actually know the entire code. We've had TSSA inspectors completely miss errors that I managed to catch when reviewing drawings against the code as I was trying to study it. To some degree, I think the focus is often on catching glaring errors more than the tiny details, with the tiny details likely becoming more important for more critical\/hazardous designs. And knowing what to focus on would come with experience. However, after having to delve into the BPVC a couple times now, I don't think I want to be the one getting that experience.","human_ref_B":"You\u2019re going to spend 95% of your career learning the 5% of the clauses that really matter. The rest is common sense or shitty research someone got voted-in on a Thursday afternoon committee meeting.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":538.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"oimb47","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"How do you go about knowing all the relevant clauses in an engineering standard that is hundreds of pages long that are scattered throughout the standard? Some engineering standards are hundreds of pages long and I've been caught out a number of times with not knowing about these small clauses buried deep in a standard that have design implications on my project. Short of asking a senior engineer and hoping and praying they know, how do you know make yourself aware that a relevant clause exists out there? Don't necessarily need to know exactly what it is but knowing it exists and where to find it has been my biggest challenge. I'm a Building Services electrical engineer so the local wiring rules standard is the holy bible for me. However, that's like 400 pages and so there's always going to be some clause tucked away that is like a sentence long and yet would have big design implications. I'm reading that cover to cover and bookmarking & highlighting everything that is relevant. However, there's going to be all these other standards out there that I won't have time to read cover to cover. How do I go about knowing what may be relevant in an engineering standard to each project I do?","c_root_id_A":"h4wniqm","c_root_id_B":"h4wy917","created_at_utc_A":1626086852,"created_at_utc_B":1626094374,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Go through it in detail a couple times creating a checklist for your self, copy out important tables of data, equations etc. noting down the page and clause number, that way you can simply follow the checklist but you can always refer to the specific clause when needed.","human_ref_B":"In mechanical and had a very similar experience with the pressure vessel code recently. With that one at least, the truth seems to be that no one, or very few people anyway, actually know the entire code. We've had TSSA inspectors completely miss errors that I managed to catch when reviewing drawings against the code as I was trying to study it. To some degree, I think the focus is often on catching glaring errors more than the tiny details, with the tiny details likely becoming more important for more critical\/hazardous designs. And knowing what to focus on would come with experience. However, after having to delve into the BPVC a couple times now, I don't think I want to be the one getting that experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7522.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"oimb47","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"How do you go about knowing all the relevant clauses in an engineering standard that is hundreds of pages long that are scattered throughout the standard? Some engineering standards are hundreds of pages long and I've been caught out a number of times with not knowing about these small clauses buried deep in a standard that have design implications on my project. Short of asking a senior engineer and hoping and praying they know, how do you know make yourself aware that a relevant clause exists out there? Don't necessarily need to know exactly what it is but knowing it exists and where to find it has been my biggest challenge. I'm a Building Services electrical engineer so the local wiring rules standard is the holy bible for me. However, that's like 400 pages and so there's always going to be some clause tucked away that is like a sentence long and yet would have big design implications. I'm reading that cover to cover and bookmarking & highlighting everything that is relevant. However, there's going to be all these other standards out there that I won't have time to read cover to cover. How do I go about knowing what may be relevant in an engineering standard to each project I do?","c_root_id_A":"h4wtg8c","c_root_id_B":"h4wpsmp","created_at_utc_A":1626091331,"created_at_utc_B":1626088701,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You build a compliance matrix. I would build them in excel, it would break down every req from the standard, page, section, type, the compliance, what teams responsibility it is, how it will be complied with. You build bassist a giant checklist, then you do the work, then you review the work. This is something a systems engineer would do for you, unless you are in a small team.","human_ref_B":"I know, or knew, a few structural welding codes pretty well. It happened in from a combination of reading them multiple times, and more importantly, working with experienced PEs that would point out omissions. Fun fact... I am a new homeowner and this shit is why I hesitate to do a lot of DIY in my home. I dont have the first idea about building codes and TBH I just don't have the will or interest to read them in my free time. I have no idea how so many people DIY stuff in their house and claim it's all up to code. Especially since building codes are different for each CITY?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2630.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"oimb47","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"How do you go about knowing all the relevant clauses in an engineering standard that is hundreds of pages long that are scattered throughout the standard? Some engineering standards are hundreds of pages long and I've been caught out a number of times with not knowing about these small clauses buried deep in a standard that have design implications on my project. Short of asking a senior engineer and hoping and praying they know, how do you know make yourself aware that a relevant clause exists out there? Don't necessarily need to know exactly what it is but knowing it exists and where to find it has been my biggest challenge. I'm a Building Services electrical engineer so the local wiring rules standard is the holy bible for me. However, that's like 400 pages and so there's always going to be some clause tucked away that is like a sentence long and yet would have big design implications. I'm reading that cover to cover and bookmarking & highlighting everything that is relevant. However, there's going to be all these other standards out there that I won't have time to read cover to cover. How do I go about knowing what may be relevant in an engineering standard to each project I do?","c_root_id_A":"h4wpsmp","c_root_id_B":"h4wxcc4","created_at_utc_A":1626088701,"created_at_utc_B":1626093836,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I know, or knew, a few structural welding codes pretty well. It happened in from a combination of reading them multiple times, and more importantly, working with experienced PEs that would point out omissions. Fun fact... I am a new homeowner and this shit is why I hesitate to do a lot of DIY in my home. I dont have the first idea about building codes and TBH I just don't have the will or interest to read them in my free time. I have no idea how so many people DIY stuff in their house and claim it's all up to code. Especially since building codes are different for each CITY?","human_ref_B":"You\u2019re going to spend 95% of your career learning the 5% of the clauses that really matter. The rest is common sense or shitty research someone got voted-in on a Thursday afternoon committee meeting.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5135.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"oimb47","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"How do you go about knowing all the relevant clauses in an engineering standard that is hundreds of pages long that are scattered throughout the standard? Some engineering standards are hundreds of pages long and I've been caught out a number of times with not knowing about these small clauses buried deep in a standard that have design implications on my project. Short of asking a senior engineer and hoping and praying they know, how do you know make yourself aware that a relevant clause exists out there? Don't necessarily need to know exactly what it is but knowing it exists and where to find it has been my biggest challenge. I'm a Building Services electrical engineer so the local wiring rules standard is the holy bible for me. However, that's like 400 pages and so there's always going to be some clause tucked away that is like a sentence long and yet would have big design implications. I'm reading that cover to cover and bookmarking & highlighting everything that is relevant. However, there's going to be all these other standards out there that I won't have time to read cover to cover. How do I go about knowing what may be relevant in an engineering standard to each project I do?","c_root_id_A":"h4wniqm","c_root_id_B":"h4wpsmp","created_at_utc_A":1626086852,"created_at_utc_B":1626088701,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Go through it in detail a couple times creating a checklist for your self, copy out important tables of data, equations etc. noting down the page and clause number, that way you can simply follow the checklist but you can always refer to the specific clause when needed.","human_ref_B":"I know, or knew, a few structural welding codes pretty well. It happened in from a combination of reading them multiple times, and more importantly, working with experienced PEs that would point out omissions. Fun fact... I am a new homeowner and this shit is why I hesitate to do a lot of DIY in my home. I dont have the first idea about building codes and TBH I just don't have the will or interest to read them in my free time. I have no idea how so many people DIY stuff in their house and claim it's all up to code. Especially since building codes are different for each CITY?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1849.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"oimb47","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"How do you go about knowing all the relevant clauses in an engineering standard that is hundreds of pages long that are scattered throughout the standard? Some engineering standards are hundreds of pages long and I've been caught out a number of times with not knowing about these small clauses buried deep in a standard that have design implications on my project. Short of asking a senior engineer and hoping and praying they know, how do you know make yourself aware that a relevant clause exists out there? Don't necessarily need to know exactly what it is but knowing it exists and where to find it has been my biggest challenge. I'm a Building Services electrical engineer so the local wiring rules standard is the holy bible for me. However, that's like 400 pages and so there's always going to be some clause tucked away that is like a sentence long and yet would have big design implications. I'm reading that cover to cover and bookmarking & highlighting everything that is relevant. However, there's going to be all these other standards out there that I won't have time to read cover to cover. How do I go about knowing what may be relevant in an engineering standard to each project I do?","c_root_id_A":"h4wtg8c","c_root_id_B":"h4wniqm","created_at_utc_A":1626091331,"created_at_utc_B":1626086852,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You build a compliance matrix. I would build them in excel, it would break down every req from the standard, page, section, type, the compliance, what teams responsibility it is, how it will be complied with. You build bassist a giant checklist, then you do the work, then you review the work. This is something a systems engineer would do for you, unless you are in a small team.","human_ref_B":"Go through it in detail a couple times creating a checklist for your self, copy out important tables of data, equations etc. noting down the page and clause number, that way you can simply follow the checklist but you can always refer to the specific clause when needed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4479.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"oimb47","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"How do you go about knowing all the relevant clauses in an engineering standard that is hundreds of pages long that are scattered throughout the standard? Some engineering standards are hundreds of pages long and I've been caught out a number of times with not knowing about these small clauses buried deep in a standard that have design implications on my project. Short of asking a senior engineer and hoping and praying they know, how do you know make yourself aware that a relevant clause exists out there? Don't necessarily need to know exactly what it is but knowing it exists and where to find it has been my biggest challenge. I'm a Building Services electrical engineer so the local wiring rules standard is the holy bible for me. However, that's like 400 pages and so there's always going to be some clause tucked away that is like a sentence long and yet would have big design implications. I'm reading that cover to cover and bookmarking & highlighting everything that is relevant. However, there's going to be all these other standards out there that I won't have time to read cover to cover. How do I go about knowing what may be relevant in an engineering standard to each project I do?","c_root_id_A":"h4wxcc4","c_root_id_B":"h4wniqm","created_at_utc_A":1626093836,"created_at_utc_B":1626086852,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019re going to spend 95% of your career learning the 5% of the clauses that really matter. The rest is common sense or shitty research someone got voted-in on a Thursday afternoon committee meeting.","human_ref_B":"Go through it in detail a couple times creating a checklist for your self, copy out important tables of data, equations etc. noting down the page and clause number, that way you can simply follow the checklist but you can always refer to the specific clause when needed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6984.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"pj5zvt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Hey! I am beginning my internship tomorrow at a mechanical engineering firm. Basically they will guide me around the factory and teach me how to run some equipment. Anything I should be aware of? Any tips to make the most of my time? Thanks \ud83d\ude0a","c_root_id_A":"hbus7ku","c_root_id_B":"hbuhpg2","created_at_utc_A":1630963058,"created_at_utc_B":1630958344,"score_A":15,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"PPE, all the time, every time. Like others have said, no baggy clothes, keep your hair up. Don't touch anything without being instructed to, especially if it's motorized or electrified. Listen twice as much as you talk. If you have a question: ASK. Don't proceed to do something you're unsure of in hopes you'll impress somebody. Keep a good attitude, but don't let people use you as a doormat. You'll get the hang of that later in your career.","human_ref_B":"Just listen and ask questions about anything you're unclear or curious about. Simple stuff.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4714.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"pj5zvt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Hey! I am beginning my internship tomorrow at a mechanical engineering firm. Basically they will guide me around the factory and teach me how to run some equipment. Anything I should be aware of? Any tips to make the most of my time? Thanks \ud83d\ude0a","c_root_id_A":"hbus7ku","c_root_id_B":"hbujm4w","created_at_utc_A":1630963058,"created_at_utc_B":1630959204,"score_A":15,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"PPE, all the time, every time. Like others have said, no baggy clothes, keep your hair up. Don't touch anything without being instructed to, especially if it's motorized or electrified. Listen twice as much as you talk. If you have a question: ASK. Don't proceed to do something you're unsure of in hopes you'll impress somebody. Keep a good attitude, but don't let people use you as a doormat. You'll get the hang of that later in your career.","human_ref_B":"Keep your hands behind your back and pay attention to light curtains. It's really easy to reach into something and stop a manufacturing process if you're not aware. It's not really a big deal, but an annoyance to operators.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3854.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"pj5zvt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Hey! I am beginning my internship tomorrow at a mechanical engineering firm. Basically they will guide me around the factory and teach me how to run some equipment. Anything I should be aware of? Any tips to make the most of my time? Thanks \ud83d\ude0a","c_root_id_A":"hburrqg","c_root_id_B":"hbus7ku","created_at_utc_A":1630962859,"created_at_utc_B":1630963058,"score_A":3,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Don't touch anything on the machinist's bench.","human_ref_B":"PPE, all the time, every time. Like others have said, no baggy clothes, keep your hair up. Don't touch anything without being instructed to, especially if it's motorized or electrified. Listen twice as much as you talk. If you have a question: ASK. Don't proceed to do something you're unsure of in hopes you'll impress somebody. Keep a good attitude, but don't let people use you as a doormat. You'll get the hang of that later in your career.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":199.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"pj5zvt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Hey! I am beginning my internship tomorrow at a mechanical engineering firm. Basically they will guide me around the factory and teach me how to run some equipment. Anything I should be aware of? Any tips to make the most of my time? Thanks \ud83d\ude0a","c_root_id_A":"hburrqg","c_root_id_B":"hbvppp6","created_at_utc_A":1630962859,"created_at_utc_B":1630979360,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Don't touch anything on the machinist's bench.","human_ref_B":"ask questions, there are no stupid questions, it is the only way to learn","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16501.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"pj5zvt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Hey! I am beginning my internship tomorrow at a mechanical engineering firm. Basically they will guide me around the factory and teach me how to run some equipment. Anything I should be aware of? Any tips to make the most of my time? Thanks \ud83d\ude0a","c_root_id_A":"hbvppp6","c_root_id_B":"hbv3cvj","created_at_utc_A":1630979360,"created_at_utc_B":1630968299,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"ask questions, there are no stupid questions, it is the only way to learn","human_ref_B":"The safety is the single most important thing that must be always in your mind. Be always aware of your surroundings. All accidents are preventable and must be prevented. I'm not telling you to be affraid, but to think always before you do anything. Your well being and the other's around you is always more important than any manufacturing process or piece of equipment. Besides of that, the single fact that you are asking what to expect, tells me you are gonna do a great job! I've always loved that feeling before going into the unknown. That feeling of jumping out of your comfort zone. Enjoy it!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11061.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"pj5zvt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Hey! I am beginning my internship tomorrow at a mechanical engineering firm. Basically they will guide me around the factory and teach me how to run some equipment. Anything I should be aware of? Any tips to make the most of my time? Thanks \ud83d\ude0a","c_root_id_A":"hbvppp6","c_root_id_B":"hbv95pb","created_at_utc_A":1630979360,"created_at_utc_B":1630971192,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"ask questions, there are no stupid questions, it is the only way to learn","human_ref_B":"Write everything down, ask if you do not understand something and have fun. Good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8168.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"kt270j","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"How does fire safety of buildings differ between EU and USA? Why are people in the EU so much less worried about fires than in the US, and why are smoke detectors not widespread here (CZ, but rest of EU probably too)?","c_root_id_A":"gijdzb5","c_root_id_B":"gijfick","created_at_utc_A":1610112257,"created_at_utc_B":1610113236,"score_A":93,"score_B":151,"human_ref_A":"A lot of houses in the US are timber framed, with timber siding. Whilst not applicable across the entire country, houses in many areas are physically bigger, but made of lighter, more potentially flammable material than the brick-and tile houses most common in Europe.","human_ref_B":"I really think you are talking about Czech Republic here (and maybe more). Here in the Netherlands and the same for Germany, Austria, Belgium, etc is that I see them everywhere! It's pretty much obliged in all public spaces, offices and such buildings as well as rental homes. For home owners it's ones own responsibility, but most people have them. Smoke detectors are widespread. CO detectors are often forgotten without people realizing that it's equally, if not more, important...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":979.0,"score_ratio":1.623655914} +{"post_id":"kt270j","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"How does fire safety of buildings differ between EU and USA? Why are people in the EU so much less worried about fires than in the US, and why are smoke detectors not widespread here (CZ, but rest of EU probably too)?","c_root_id_A":"gijo83w","c_root_id_B":"gijmoek","created_at_utc_A":1610118143,"created_at_utc_B":1610117330,"score_A":11,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"US building codes require sprinklers in one- and two-family dwellings, where most fire deaths occur. But a large fraction of jurisdictions delete the sprinkler requirement because of pressure from short-sighted contractors who want to build a cheap building. I'm not familiar with EU codes, but I'm guessing sprinklers are required in all residential. Everyone is talking on and on about smoke detectors, which prompt people to evacuate after a fire starts. But deaths from fires are an order of magnitude lower in buildings with sprinkler systems. If you don't wake up, or are not physically able to evacuate, smoke detectors don't save you from a fire. It used to be a common headline to see an entire city's downtown business district burned up, or 150 people killed when a hospital caught fire. Since the 1960's basically all new commercial buildings over a minimum size are required to have sprinklers, and hospitals had to put them in retroactively - no grandfather clause. The last major hospital fire with a lot of deaths I could find when researching this topic was in 1961. Today average annual deaths from hospital fires is 5, despite the fact that there are 1100 fires on average. Sprinklers work.","human_ref_B":"I can't speak to safety requirements, per se. But I can speak from the experience of having traveled all over the world. In the US, all of our fire safety codes are unfortunately born from death. Several high profile fires, The Triangle Shirtwaist fire, or the Winecoff Hotel Fire , amongst others spurred change to what you see today. Add to it, states and localities have their own codes (California has smoke doors over its elevator doors for example). I've stayed in hotels all over Europe and 48 of 50 States (Plus PR). I always check my egress options when I stay in a hotel and have never felt uncomfortable in an EU hotel, or frankly that it was any different than a US hotel. Signs for emergency exit, appropriate fire doors, etc. It's all there, just looks different.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":813.0,"score_ratio":1.2222222222} +{"post_id":"tj6sp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don't understand why aircraft speed is measured in Machs? There is a connection with the speed of sound in this dimension, but isn't the speed of sound different at each new point on the plane? Then why do we need Mach speed?","c_root_id_A":"i1ifhpj","c_root_id_B":"i1ifqzd","created_at_utc_A":1647855785,"created_at_utc_B":1647856001,"score_A":9,"score_B":235,"human_ref_A":"The mach number is just (object velocity \/ speed of sound). It\u2019s purely a ratio. Aerodynamics effects are very different in the regimes of sub-sonic, super-sonic, and hyper-sonic. Aircraft design and flight rules need to take this into account. Not clear why you think the speed of sound would be different for each point on a body. That is determined by the medium (air, water), pressure, and temperature. Edit: ok, so there can be local variations in the airflow around an object leading to differing mach numbers, mainly important for the transonic (0.8-1.2) region, when stability of the airframe is important","human_ref_B":"I think the concept of the \"speed of sound\" is sometimes confusing. Why is sound important for aerodynamics? The idea behind is that this is the speed in which pressure information is propagating. It is not about sound, but about the speed of pressure \"waves\" (more general pressure information). Of course sound is just that, a pressure wave. This might make the connection between speed of sound and the aerodynamic easier to see. Of course the local Ma number is different on different parts of the aircraft, but there are different effects that are too be expected in different \"regions\" of the Ma number. At low speed (Ma<0.3) the aircraft is much slower then the pressure waves in front of it. There are very little compressibility effects. Around Ma 0.3 to 0.7, the compressibility is influencing the aerodynamics. Imagine the waves in front of the aircraft being not much faster than the aircraft itself. Around 0.7-0.9, we have transonic regime. Now part of the local Ma number can go above Ma=1. This leads to all kinds of different effects, because the pressure can't move away fast enough and might become the \"shocks\". Above Ma=1 we have super sonic speeds, which again has different challenges with regards to aerodynamics.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":216.0,"score_ratio":26.1111111111} +{"post_id":"tj6sp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don't understand why aircraft speed is measured in Machs? There is a connection with the speed of sound in this dimension, but isn't the speed of sound different at each new point on the plane? Then why do we need Mach speed?","c_root_id_A":"i1jdjz1","c_root_id_B":"i1j3qfq","created_at_utc_A":1647875231,"created_at_utc_B":1647870970,"score_A":41,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Because the Mach number and Reynolds numbers are dimensionless numbers that dictate the characteristics of fluids. If you have a wind tunnel and a subscale model, as long as the Mach number and the Reynolds number match the intended real aircraft, the wind tunnel data can be scaled to match the real aircraft.","human_ref_B":"Kinda an AskPilots question as much as AskEngineers. Ignoring low performance aircraft (i.e., piston powered) for a moment, an aircraft's flight envelope - which measures its limits of performance - are typically measured in Mach numbers and air pressure. Mach number is a lot more important than absolute air speed once you start to approach (and exceed) the speed of sound, and other comments have explained why. At low altitudes and low speeds, absolute air speed and absolute altitude are more important for a variety of reasons. And at low altitudes and low speeds generally aircraft instruments report on airspeed and altitude (either with a radar altimeter or with a barometric altimeter adjusted to the local sea level air pressure). At high speeds most aircraft instruments will switch over to reporting Mach number, and at high altitudes aircraft switch their barometric altimeters to a standardized setting which really means they start measuring air pressure instead of altitude. So an aircraft flying at, e.g., 0.8mach at 30,000 feet is measuring its key flight envelope parameters directly. At low speeds aerodynamic performance is dictated more by absolute airspeed (really important for initial climb performance) and there are also regulatory controls around absolute airspeed as well (ATC clearances during departure, and the 10,000 foot 250 knot speed limit). And at low altitudes you want to make sure you don't hit anything attached to the actual ground. Low performance aircraft will typically only measure their airspeed in knots, since they never get fast enough for Mach to become more important. Ultimately you can use any set of figures in your calculations, so long as you're including all the appropriate factors. Aircraft instruments report numbers that are most useful to the pilots at any given time and require the least amount of mental arithmetic \/ conversion at critical points in the flight.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4261.0,"score_ratio":1.4137931034} +{"post_id":"tj6sp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don't understand why aircraft speed is measured in Machs? There is a connection with the speed of sound in this dimension, but isn't the speed of sound different at each new point on the plane? Then why do we need Mach speed?","c_root_id_A":"i1jdjz1","c_root_id_B":"i1j1kil","created_at_utc_A":1647875231,"created_at_utc_B":1647869938,"score_A":41,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Because the Mach number and Reynolds numbers are dimensionless numbers that dictate the characteristics of fluids. If you have a wind tunnel and a subscale model, as long as the Mach number and the Reynolds number match the intended real aircraft, the wind tunnel data can be scaled to match the real aircraft.","human_ref_B":"it gives a physical measure of how much compressibility effects matter","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5293.0,"score_ratio":2.7333333333} +{"post_id":"tj6sp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don't understand why aircraft speed is measured in Machs? There is a connection with the speed of sound in this dimension, but isn't the speed of sound different at each new point on the plane? Then why do we need Mach speed?","c_root_id_A":"i1jdjz1","c_root_id_B":"i1ifhpj","created_at_utc_A":1647875231,"created_at_utc_B":1647855785,"score_A":41,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Because the Mach number and Reynolds numbers are dimensionless numbers that dictate the characteristics of fluids. If you have a wind tunnel and a subscale model, as long as the Mach number and the Reynolds number match the intended real aircraft, the wind tunnel data can be scaled to match the real aircraft.","human_ref_B":"The mach number is just (object velocity \/ speed of sound). It\u2019s purely a ratio. Aerodynamics effects are very different in the regimes of sub-sonic, super-sonic, and hyper-sonic. Aircraft design and flight rules need to take this into account. Not clear why you think the speed of sound would be different for each point on a body. That is determined by the medium (air, water), pressure, and temperature. Edit: ok, so there can be local variations in the airflow around an object leading to differing mach numbers, mainly important for the transonic (0.8-1.2) region, when stability of the airframe is important","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19446.0,"score_ratio":4.5555555556} +{"post_id":"tj6sp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don't understand why aircraft speed is measured in Machs? There is a connection with the speed of sound in this dimension, but isn't the speed of sound different at each new point on the plane? Then why do we need Mach speed?","c_root_id_A":"i1jdjz1","c_root_id_B":"i1jalud","created_at_utc_A":1647875231,"created_at_utc_B":1647873994,"score_A":41,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Because the Mach number and Reynolds numbers are dimensionless numbers that dictate the characteristics of fluids. If you have a wind tunnel and a subscale model, as long as the Mach number and the Reynolds number match the intended real aircraft, the wind tunnel data can be scaled to match the real aircraft.","human_ref_B":"Because the aerodynamic effects you experience at a given Mach number (ratio of air speed to local speed of sound) will be the same independent of ground speed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1237.0,"score_ratio":10.25} +{"post_id":"tj6sp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don't understand why aircraft speed is measured in Machs? There is a connection with the speed of sound in this dimension, but isn't the speed of sound different at each new point on the plane? Then why do we need Mach speed?","c_root_id_A":"i1iy8tg","c_root_id_B":"i1jdjz1","created_at_utc_A":1647868288,"created_at_utc_B":1647875231,"score_A":2,"score_B":41,"human_ref_A":"Because the speed of sound is different depending on temperature.","human_ref_B":"Because the Mach number and Reynolds numbers are dimensionless numbers that dictate the characteristics of fluids. If you have a wind tunnel and a subscale model, as long as the Mach number and the Reynolds number match the intended real aircraft, the wind tunnel data can be scaled to match the real aircraft.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6943.0,"score_ratio":20.5} +{"post_id":"tj6sp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don't understand why aircraft speed is measured in Machs? There is a connection with the speed of sound in this dimension, but isn't the speed of sound different at each new point on the plane? Then why do we need Mach speed?","c_root_id_A":"i1j3qfq","c_root_id_B":"i1j1kil","created_at_utc_A":1647870970,"created_at_utc_B":1647869938,"score_A":29,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Kinda an AskPilots question as much as AskEngineers. Ignoring low performance aircraft (i.e., piston powered) for a moment, an aircraft's flight envelope - which measures its limits of performance - are typically measured in Mach numbers and air pressure. Mach number is a lot more important than absolute air speed once you start to approach (and exceed) the speed of sound, and other comments have explained why. At low altitudes and low speeds, absolute air speed and absolute altitude are more important for a variety of reasons. And at low altitudes and low speeds generally aircraft instruments report on airspeed and altitude (either with a radar altimeter or with a barometric altimeter adjusted to the local sea level air pressure). At high speeds most aircraft instruments will switch over to reporting Mach number, and at high altitudes aircraft switch their barometric altimeters to a standardized setting which really means they start measuring air pressure instead of altitude. So an aircraft flying at, e.g., 0.8mach at 30,000 feet is measuring its key flight envelope parameters directly. At low speeds aerodynamic performance is dictated more by absolute airspeed (really important for initial climb performance) and there are also regulatory controls around absolute airspeed as well (ATC clearances during departure, and the 10,000 foot 250 knot speed limit). And at low altitudes you want to make sure you don't hit anything attached to the actual ground. Low performance aircraft will typically only measure their airspeed in knots, since they never get fast enough for Mach to become more important. Ultimately you can use any set of figures in your calculations, so long as you're including all the appropriate factors. Aircraft instruments report numbers that are most useful to the pilots at any given time and require the least amount of mental arithmetic \/ conversion at critical points in the flight.","human_ref_B":"it gives a physical measure of how much compressibility effects matter","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1032.0,"score_ratio":1.9333333333} +{"post_id":"tj6sp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don't understand why aircraft speed is measured in Machs? There is a connection with the speed of sound in this dimension, but isn't the speed of sound different at each new point on the plane? Then why do we need Mach speed?","c_root_id_A":"i1j3qfq","c_root_id_B":"i1ifhpj","created_at_utc_A":1647870970,"created_at_utc_B":1647855785,"score_A":29,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Kinda an AskPilots question as much as AskEngineers. Ignoring low performance aircraft (i.e., piston powered) for a moment, an aircraft's flight envelope - which measures its limits of performance - are typically measured in Mach numbers and air pressure. Mach number is a lot more important than absolute air speed once you start to approach (and exceed) the speed of sound, and other comments have explained why. At low altitudes and low speeds, absolute air speed and absolute altitude are more important for a variety of reasons. And at low altitudes and low speeds generally aircraft instruments report on airspeed and altitude (either with a radar altimeter or with a barometric altimeter adjusted to the local sea level air pressure). At high speeds most aircraft instruments will switch over to reporting Mach number, and at high altitudes aircraft switch their barometric altimeters to a standardized setting which really means they start measuring air pressure instead of altitude. So an aircraft flying at, e.g., 0.8mach at 30,000 feet is measuring its key flight envelope parameters directly. At low speeds aerodynamic performance is dictated more by absolute airspeed (really important for initial climb performance) and there are also regulatory controls around absolute airspeed as well (ATC clearances during departure, and the 10,000 foot 250 knot speed limit). And at low altitudes you want to make sure you don't hit anything attached to the actual ground. Low performance aircraft will typically only measure their airspeed in knots, since they never get fast enough for Mach to become more important. Ultimately you can use any set of figures in your calculations, so long as you're including all the appropriate factors. Aircraft instruments report numbers that are most useful to the pilots at any given time and require the least amount of mental arithmetic \/ conversion at critical points in the flight.","human_ref_B":"The mach number is just (object velocity \/ speed of sound). It\u2019s purely a ratio. Aerodynamics effects are very different in the regimes of sub-sonic, super-sonic, and hyper-sonic. Aircraft design and flight rules need to take this into account. Not clear why you think the speed of sound would be different for each point on a body. That is determined by the medium (air, water), pressure, and temperature. Edit: ok, so there can be local variations in the airflow around an object leading to differing mach numbers, mainly important for the transonic (0.8-1.2) region, when stability of the airframe is important","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15185.0,"score_ratio":3.2222222222} +{"post_id":"tj6sp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don't understand why aircraft speed is measured in Machs? There is a connection with the speed of sound in this dimension, but isn't the speed of sound different at each new point on the plane? Then why do we need Mach speed?","c_root_id_A":"i1j3qfq","c_root_id_B":"i1iy8tg","created_at_utc_A":1647870970,"created_at_utc_B":1647868288,"score_A":29,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Kinda an AskPilots question as much as AskEngineers. Ignoring low performance aircraft (i.e., piston powered) for a moment, an aircraft's flight envelope - which measures its limits of performance - are typically measured in Mach numbers and air pressure. Mach number is a lot more important than absolute air speed once you start to approach (and exceed) the speed of sound, and other comments have explained why. At low altitudes and low speeds, absolute air speed and absolute altitude are more important for a variety of reasons. And at low altitudes and low speeds generally aircraft instruments report on airspeed and altitude (either with a radar altimeter or with a barometric altimeter adjusted to the local sea level air pressure). At high speeds most aircraft instruments will switch over to reporting Mach number, and at high altitudes aircraft switch their barometric altimeters to a standardized setting which really means they start measuring air pressure instead of altitude. So an aircraft flying at, e.g., 0.8mach at 30,000 feet is measuring its key flight envelope parameters directly. At low speeds aerodynamic performance is dictated more by absolute airspeed (really important for initial climb performance) and there are also regulatory controls around absolute airspeed as well (ATC clearances during departure, and the 10,000 foot 250 knot speed limit). And at low altitudes you want to make sure you don't hit anything attached to the actual ground. Low performance aircraft will typically only measure their airspeed in knots, since they never get fast enough for Mach to become more important. Ultimately you can use any set of figures in your calculations, so long as you're including all the appropriate factors. Aircraft instruments report numbers that are most useful to the pilots at any given time and require the least amount of mental arithmetic \/ conversion at critical points in the flight.","human_ref_B":"Because the speed of sound is different depending on temperature.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2682.0,"score_ratio":14.5} +{"post_id":"tj6sp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don't understand why aircraft speed is measured in Machs? There is a connection with the speed of sound in this dimension, but isn't the speed of sound different at each new point on the plane? Then why do we need Mach speed?","c_root_id_A":"i1ifhpj","c_root_id_B":"i1j1kil","created_at_utc_A":1647855785,"created_at_utc_B":1647869938,"score_A":9,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"The mach number is just (object velocity \/ speed of sound). It\u2019s purely a ratio. Aerodynamics effects are very different in the regimes of sub-sonic, super-sonic, and hyper-sonic. Aircraft design and flight rules need to take this into account. Not clear why you think the speed of sound would be different for each point on a body. That is determined by the medium (air, water), pressure, and temperature. Edit: ok, so there can be local variations in the airflow around an object leading to differing mach numbers, mainly important for the transonic (0.8-1.2) region, when stability of the airframe is important","human_ref_B":"it gives a physical measure of how much compressibility effects matter","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14153.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"tj6sp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don't understand why aircraft speed is measured in Machs? There is a connection with the speed of sound in this dimension, but isn't the speed of sound different at each new point on the plane? Then why do we need Mach speed?","c_root_id_A":"i1j1kil","c_root_id_B":"i1iy8tg","created_at_utc_A":1647869938,"created_at_utc_B":1647868288,"score_A":15,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"it gives a physical measure of how much compressibility effects matter","human_ref_B":"Because the speed of sound is different depending on temperature.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1650.0,"score_ratio":7.5} +{"post_id":"tj6sp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don't understand why aircraft speed is measured in Machs? There is a connection with the speed of sound in this dimension, but isn't the speed of sound different at each new point on the plane? Then why do we need Mach speed?","c_root_id_A":"i1jalud","c_root_id_B":"i1iy8tg","created_at_utc_A":1647873994,"created_at_utc_B":1647868288,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Because the aerodynamic effects you experience at a given Mach number (ratio of air speed to local speed of sound) will be the same independent of ground speed.","human_ref_B":"Because the speed of sound is different depending on temperature.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5706.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"tj6sp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don't understand why aircraft speed is measured in Machs? There is a connection with the speed of sound in this dimension, but isn't the speed of sound different at each new point on the plane? Then why do we need Mach speed?","c_root_id_A":"i1iy8tg","c_root_id_B":"i1jfjig","created_at_utc_A":1647868288,"created_at_utc_B":1647876062,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Because the speed of sound is different depending on temperature.","human_ref_B":"So aircraft speeds are actually measured in both knots and mach number. The mach number is displayed to show that relative difference in speed of sound at different altitudes while the knots readout is the proper air speed. For fighter jets especially this is important so they aren't breaking the sound barrier constantly as that change in the speed of sound takes place.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7774.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"tj6sp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don't understand why aircraft speed is measured in Machs? There is a connection with the speed of sound in this dimension, but isn't the speed of sound different at each new point on the plane? Then why do we need Mach speed?","c_root_id_A":"i1jox2f","c_root_id_B":"i1iy8tg","created_at_utc_A":1647879792,"created_at_utc_B":1647868288,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It's a useful shorthand that allows an educated person to conceptualize the issues that craft is facing. The difference between 575mph and 650mph might sound like it's not a lot, but the functional differences between Mach .75 and .85 are so different early aerodynamicists looked at the data and concluded that breaking the speed of sound was impossible.","human_ref_B":"Because the speed of sound is different depending on temperature.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11504.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"tj6sp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don't understand why aircraft speed is measured in Machs? There is a connection with the speed of sound in this dimension, but isn't the speed of sound different at each new point on the plane? Then why do we need Mach speed?","c_root_id_A":"i1jox2f","c_root_id_B":"i1jhvpq","created_at_utc_A":1647879792,"created_at_utc_B":1647877018,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It's a useful shorthand that allows an educated person to conceptualize the issues that craft is facing. The difference between 575mph and 650mph might sound like it's not a lot, but the functional differences between Mach .75 and .85 are so different early aerodynamicists looked at the data and concluded that breaking the speed of sound was impossible.","human_ref_B":"To add to this people like using units that result in numbers which are small .1-1000 and usually have so relevance to the subject matter. You could use jewels to describe the energy released for nuclear reactions but it's something like e-18 so we use electron volts instead or light-year instead of meter when talking about astronomical distances. There are only 4 dimensions length, time, mass, and temperature. Sixty symbols did a video on weird units which is kinda fun https:\/\/youtu.be\/hsEB65Q4kHI","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2774.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"l9gwby","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What would be the biggest problem to solve for U.S. electric utilities if half of drivers bought EVs and installed home charging by 2025? Would existing lines and infrastructure need to be updated to handle extra load? Would existing generation be up to the job, or would more generation plants be needed? Anything else I didn't think of? Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"glhzy4c","c_root_id_B":"gliedvj","created_at_utc_A":1612115047,"created_at_utc_B":1612121587,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Disclaimer. I have no idea but I think these questions might help you move forward. First, determine which cars are we talking about. New cars sales or all existing cars. Second determine if this includes trucks, buses, etc etc. Or just passenger cars. Next determine the average daily mileage of a car figure out the mpg efficiency and translate that to mp kWh. That should give you an idea of the extra energy consumed by cars. Compare that to current trends in energy production, capacity building and it should give you an idea if we'll need more generation or not. Follow the same thought process for the other questions.","human_ref_B":"they draw the power of a dryer for a few hours to recharge a days travel. ( 0.3 Kwhr-mile \\* 50 miles= 15 kW = 3 hours if 5 kWhr dryer assumed ) if you use your dryer for two loads a day... ur already aproxmiating the demand ( dial it up 3x maybe). \\+if its charging overnight.... that'l be met with nat gas\/ wind\/ nuclear\/ ~~coal~~.......+Elon Musk II's master flywheel ( Y... not) \\-BSEE student","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6540.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"l9gwby","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What would be the biggest problem to solve for U.S. electric utilities if half of drivers bought EVs and installed home charging by 2025? Would existing lines and infrastructure need to be updated to handle extra load? Would existing generation be up to the job, or would more generation plants be needed? Anything else I didn't think of? Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"glii95r","c_root_id_B":"glhzy4c","created_at_utc_A":1612123366,"created_at_utc_B":1612115047,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Charging infrastructure not at individual homes would need to be increased immensely (workplaces, parking garages, highways, etc.). Many smaller cities and suburban areas don't have the charging stations needed for that many drivers. Depending on if those EVs can put energy back on the grid that could be a lot of inverter load which is new territory for many utilities. Utilities would may also need to adjust rate structures time-of-day use. Also, utility infrastructure would need to be adjusted for increased capacity. Utilities plan for peak levels (usually summer loads) and that amount of EVs would increase those peaks. There'd be some overloading for sure on the older equipment out there.","human_ref_B":"Disclaimer. I have no idea but I think these questions might help you move forward. First, determine which cars are we talking about. New cars sales or all existing cars. Second determine if this includes trucks, buses, etc etc. Or just passenger cars. Next determine the average daily mileage of a car figure out the mpg efficiency and translate that to mp kWh. That should give you an idea of the extra energy consumed by cars. Compare that to current trends in energy production, capacity building and it should give you an idea if we'll need more generation or not. Follow the same thought process for the other questions.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8319.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"gx48mt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Do you have to be an engineer to join the army corps of engineers? I\u2019m a fresh grad from high school I am hoping to take Mechanical Engineering for college. Is being a mechanical engineer a requirement for the army corps of engineers or just an advantage?","c_root_id_A":"fszbb3y","c_root_id_B":"fszh526","created_at_utc_A":1591370562,"created_at_utc_B":1591373371,"score_A":22,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"Nope. They need people to dig ditches too. I met the head of the army Corp in 2008 and again in 2009 after he retired and became the head of the nba referee association. He was a lawyer.","human_ref_B":"Nope! We have technicians, admin assistants, geologists, architects, plumbers, you name it, we\u2019ve got it! I\u2019ve worked for USACE for 3 years now, AMA!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2809.0,"score_ratio":1.9545454545} +{"post_id":"gx48mt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Do you have to be an engineer to join the army corps of engineers? I\u2019m a fresh grad from high school I am hoping to take Mechanical Engineering for college. Is being a mechanical engineer a requirement for the army corps of engineers or just an advantage?","c_root_id_A":"fszx2zy","c_root_id_B":"ft03ge2","created_at_utc_A":1591380995,"created_at_utc_B":1591384033,"score_A":5,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"https:\/\/www.usace.army.mil\/Careers\/ Look at the careers page, it has openings for all types of jobs","human_ref_B":"I think you should specify. Are you wanting to work as a civilian employee of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE)? Or are you planning to commission into the army, and want to be an engineer officer (12A)? I didn't understand the difference when I was your age, and did the green-suiter route. And also applied to a few USACE jobs after leaving the military. The answer for each is the same, you don't need an engineering degree necessarily. But I can answer much more thoroughly if you could specify the first question.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3038.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"uf1tno","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Have you ever designed something, then had it used for something else and gone \"Huh, look at that\" Probably more a question for people making consumer stuff over bespoke stuff, but have you ever seen something you've designed used in a completely unintended purpose, and being likely good at it? Like \"Here's a Servo for a tractor\" Next minute some dude on YouTube is making himself a 3D printed prosthetic using your Servo's. Or you're like \"Here's a new filter process for cleaning water\" Next minute it's selected for a new chemical process, only discovered because if your water filter?","c_root_id_A":"i6qxfdf","c_root_id_B":"i6qyduz","created_at_utc_A":1651287250,"created_at_utc_B":1651287763,"score_A":59,"score_B":107,"human_ref_A":"I once ran a continuous stainless steel belt partially immersed in a tank of effluent water from a manufacturing plant. I noticed that oils were sticking to the belt surface. So I mounted wiper blades on the belt\u2019s inner and outer surfaces, channeled the oil into a barrel and presto a continuous, non chemical treatment for removing contaminated water was born.","human_ref_B":"A blender I worked on was being used to homogenize cremated pet remains. That wasn't really our first target market","labels":0,"seconds_difference":513.0,"score_ratio":1.813559322} +{"post_id":"uf1tno","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Have you ever designed something, then had it used for something else and gone \"Huh, look at that\" Probably more a question for people making consumer stuff over bespoke stuff, but have you ever seen something you've designed used in a completely unintended purpose, and being likely good at it? Like \"Here's a Servo for a tractor\" Next minute some dude on YouTube is making himself a 3D printed prosthetic using your Servo's. Or you're like \"Here's a new filter process for cleaning water\" Next minute it's selected for a new chemical process, only discovered because if your water filter?","c_root_id_A":"i6s29kf","c_root_id_B":"i6sgvy3","created_at_utc_A":1651318419,"created_at_utc_B":1651327175,"score_A":28,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"there are HMI displays floating around that I designed with clearly labeled JTAG, a clearly labeled UART, and some IO brought out to pads. Just need to play the waiting game for them to become obsolete and land on ebay and see what people do with them. One thing that was a bit surprising was one of our deeper XYZ CNC tables was used in a journal for capturing magnetic fields in 3D space... They stuck an array of magnetometers to the head and just ran a point grid. One application of the table is stick electrical discharge machining so the wires are buried along with the steppers that are also magnetically shielded on top of the use of very low noise silent steeper drivers. I see why they chose it and the plots were kinda cool.","human_ref_B":"It's often a sign of good engineering \"what already exists in other industries to do what we're trying to do?\". The advantage of this approach is that you can usually buy something retail for a fraction of the price of designing it from scratch. If someone already solved the problem 95% for you, it's a win! So I expect you see it all the time, just without necessarily noticing!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8756.0,"score_ratio":1.0714285714} +{"post_id":"uf1tno","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Have you ever designed something, then had it used for something else and gone \"Huh, look at that\" Probably more a question for people making consumer stuff over bespoke stuff, but have you ever seen something you've designed used in a completely unintended purpose, and being likely good at it? Like \"Here's a Servo for a tractor\" Next minute some dude on YouTube is making himself a 3D printed prosthetic using your Servo's. Or you're like \"Here's a new filter process for cleaning water\" Next minute it's selected for a new chemical process, only discovered because if your water filter?","c_root_id_A":"i6rzdkr","c_root_id_B":"i6sgvy3","created_at_utc_A":1651316170,"created_at_utc_B":1651327175,"score_A":13,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"Alot of inventions where a byproduct of trying to invent something else","human_ref_B":"It's often a sign of good engineering \"what already exists in other industries to do what we're trying to do?\". The advantage of this approach is that you can usually buy something retail for a fraction of the price of designing it from scratch. If someone already solved the problem 95% for you, it's a win! So I expect you see it all the time, just without necessarily noticing!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11005.0,"score_ratio":2.3076923077} +{"post_id":"uf1tno","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Have you ever designed something, then had it used for something else and gone \"Huh, look at that\" Probably more a question for people making consumer stuff over bespoke stuff, but have you ever seen something you've designed used in a completely unintended purpose, and being likely good at it? Like \"Here's a Servo for a tractor\" Next minute some dude on YouTube is making himself a 3D printed prosthetic using your Servo's. Or you're like \"Here's a new filter process for cleaning water\" Next minute it's selected for a new chemical process, only discovered because if your water filter?","c_root_id_A":"i6sd2mv","c_root_id_B":"i6sgvy3","created_at_utc_A":1651325177,"created_at_utc_B":1651327175,"score_A":7,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"I modulate the \"starting screen\" function for ICU patient monitor, to provide freedom of medical device distributor, to establish their brand on the product. It was used as a troll prank by field service engineers from distributor....","human_ref_B":"It's often a sign of good engineering \"what already exists in other industries to do what we're trying to do?\". The advantage of this approach is that you can usually buy something retail for a fraction of the price of designing it from scratch. If someone already solved the problem 95% for you, it's a win! So I expect you see it all the time, just without necessarily noticing!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1998.0,"score_ratio":4.2857142857} +{"post_id":"uf1tno","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Have you ever designed something, then had it used for something else and gone \"Huh, look at that\" Probably more a question for people making consumer stuff over bespoke stuff, but have you ever seen something you've designed used in a completely unintended purpose, and being likely good at it? Like \"Here's a Servo for a tractor\" Next minute some dude on YouTube is making himself a 3D printed prosthetic using your Servo's. Or you're like \"Here's a new filter process for cleaning water\" Next minute it's selected for a new chemical process, only discovered because if your water filter?","c_root_id_A":"i6s29kf","c_root_id_B":"i6rzdkr","created_at_utc_A":1651318419,"created_at_utc_B":1651316170,"score_A":28,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"there are HMI displays floating around that I designed with clearly labeled JTAG, a clearly labeled UART, and some IO brought out to pads. Just need to play the waiting game for them to become obsolete and land on ebay and see what people do with them. One thing that was a bit surprising was one of our deeper XYZ CNC tables was used in a journal for capturing magnetic fields in 3D space... They stuck an array of magnetometers to the head and just ran a point grid. One application of the table is stick electrical discharge machining so the wires are buried along with the steppers that are also magnetically shielded on top of the use of very low noise silent steeper drivers. I see why they chose it and the plots were kinda cool.","human_ref_B":"Alot of inventions where a byproduct of trying to invent something else","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2249.0,"score_ratio":2.1538461538} +{"post_id":"uf1tno","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Have you ever designed something, then had it used for something else and gone \"Huh, look at that\" Probably more a question for people making consumer stuff over bespoke stuff, but have you ever seen something you've designed used in a completely unintended purpose, and being likely good at it? Like \"Here's a Servo for a tractor\" Next minute some dude on YouTube is making himself a 3D printed prosthetic using your Servo's. Or you're like \"Here's a new filter process for cleaning water\" Next minute it's selected for a new chemical process, only discovered because if your water filter?","c_root_id_A":"i6tngql","c_root_id_B":"i6sd2mv","created_at_utc_A":1651346870,"created_at_utc_B":1651325177,"score_A":8,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I worked on a drone technology that was intended for long dwell time to provide internet services. It got bought by a defence company.","human_ref_B":"I modulate the \"starting screen\" function for ICU patient monitor, to provide freedom of medical device distributor, to establish their brand on the product. It was used as a troll prank by field service engineers from distributor....","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21693.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} +{"post_id":"uf1tno","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Have you ever designed something, then had it used for something else and gone \"Huh, look at that\" Probably more a question for people making consumer stuff over bespoke stuff, but have you ever seen something you've designed used in a completely unintended purpose, and being likely good at it? Like \"Here's a Servo for a tractor\" Next minute some dude on YouTube is making himself a 3D printed prosthetic using your Servo's. Or you're like \"Here's a new filter process for cleaning water\" Next minute it's selected for a new chemical process, only discovered because if your water filter?","c_root_id_A":"i6tngql","c_root_id_B":"i6sldzz","created_at_utc_A":1651346870,"created_at_utc_B":1651329407,"score_A":8,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I worked on a drone technology that was intended for long dwell time to provide internet services. It got bought by a defence company.","human_ref_B":"I mean, I end up with scrap pieces all the time that get used for pressing odd sized bushings\/bearings. 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I also, as others have said, plan time to get up for a short minute and walk around the court outside - in the office I am almost always moving throughout the plant, but at home the stagnation caught up with my lower back quickly.","human_ref_B":"Multiple monitors & not an object but limiting myself to only working in one area","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4918.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} +{"post_id":"sxbr0w","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What items have made your remote working life better? 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I realize that this question is completely hypothetical with no confirmable answer, but I'm curious as to your thoughts on the matter.","c_root_id_A":"gjfiz06","c_root_id_B":"gjfdwk4","created_at_utc_A":1610779383,"created_at_utc_B":1610775456,"score_A":44,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Additionally, if anyone reading this thread is wondering and asking themselves the question \"Why couldn't they copy the technology and start making their own microSD cards?\" it's because the technology and tooling for making chips with features that small was a long ways in the future and that tooling and process is super complicated and really about incremental steps. Part of that incremental improvement is directly tied to Moore's Law. Faster\/cheaper computers means better solid state device simulation, better optical engineering, better machine vision and automation, more accurate sensing, metering and measuring and so. But it's not just about Moore's Law. Even the clean room tech and standards of 1980 wasn't up to snuff for 2010-ish. The tools they have today to clean and filter the air and water used inside the fab are also much better than they had back then. As mentioned in this thread, they also didn't have the light sources and quality of optics needed to etch anything that small, much less all the secret sauce like what kind of photoresist masks they used, the masks with much finer details, the refined and more precise controls of the stepper system, or even the repeatability and tighter tolerances to do chips with that many steps or layers. Today's chips have a lot more structure and layers going on and this has to do with things like newer etching methods or chemical processes and so on. What would really blow their mind is sending back finFETs or anything using the newest way to etch and image chips, the Extreme Ultra Violet process that uses super short wavelengths of light to be able to image or etch even smaller features through the reticule or chip mask or stencil. They probably wouldn't be able to guess that EUV chip fabs used *water* as a lensing media in the exposure process, not to mention that the light source is vaporizing droplets of liquid tin in mid air and then not using any glass\/transmissive optics at all like a traditional lens and instead using reflective lenses because silica glass blocks UV light. An EUV chip fab line would blow their fucking minds. There's so much research to do to get from the 1980s to 2020. We're talking many, many breakthrough applications of science and physics, including a few that have won Nobel prizes in the last 30-40 years. Another way to think about it is that the 1980s are much closer to the dawn of the integrated circuit and computer on a chip in the 1960s and 1970s respectively than we are to the 1980s out here in the 2020s. So, yeah, there's a lot of intermediate steps between a chip fabrication plant that can make 1980s chips and one that can make 2010 era chips. You can't just go \"Oh, I get it. Let's copy this chip design and make our own masks and throw it on the line in an existing chip fab line.\" You'd have to retool the whole chip fabrication line. Actually you'd probably need to tear down the entire building and make a new one from scratch, because newer chip fabs have made radical improvements to the design of the fab ranging from air handling to cooling tech and even the work flow through the building in a quest to cut down on dust that destroys chips. But before that you'd also have to improve a whole bunch of other things in a hurry. It could possibly be done rapidly but it would be a project so large it would be like the Manhattan Project. It would take a very large organized effort backed by one or more industrialized nations, and even then it still might not work and might just take the same amount of time and even more money than how it actually happened with an industry-driven solution.","human_ref_B":"Depends on how far you go. They might have been able to look at the transistors using a good enough microscope and recognize the architecture. But they may have been unable to recreate it given the state of transistor technology. To give you an idea, CPUs in the 1970's and 1980's were measured in \u03bcm, while currently NAND flash uses transistors smaller than 20nm. Btw, NAND based memory already existed in the 80's. So the concept wouldn't have been something too crazy to imagine. You just wouldn't have been manufacture a device as small as an SD card.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3927.0,"score_ratio":4.4} +{"post_id":"ky6o8b","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If micro SD cards were brought back in time to the era of the Commodore and given to the most advanced research teams of the time, what do you think they would make of them? The title pretty much says it all. In addition, I'm curious as to whether you guys think they could reverse engineer them using the technology of the time. 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What would really blow their mind is sending back finFETs or anything using the newest way to etch and image chips, the Extreme Ultra Violet process that uses super short wavelengths of light to be able to image or etch even smaller features through the reticule or chip mask or stencil. They probably wouldn't be able to guess that EUV chip fabs used *water* as a lensing media in the exposure process, not to mention that the light source is vaporizing droplets of liquid tin in mid air and then not using any glass\/transmissive optics at all like a traditional lens and instead using reflective lenses because silica glass blocks UV light. An EUV chip fab line would blow their fucking minds. There's so much research to do to get from the 1980s to 2020. We're talking many, many breakthrough applications of science and physics, including a few that have won Nobel prizes in the last 30-40 years. Another way to think about it is that the 1980s are much closer to the dawn of the integrated circuit and computer on a chip in the 1960s and 1970s respectively than we are to the 1980s out here in the 2020s. So, yeah, there's a lot of intermediate steps between a chip fabrication plant that can make 1980s chips and one that can make 2010 era chips. You can't just go \"Oh, I get it. Let's copy this chip design and make our own masks and throw it on the line in an existing chip fab line.\" You'd have to retool the whole chip fabrication line. Actually you'd probably need to tear down the entire building and make a new one from scratch, because newer chip fabs have made radical improvements to the design of the fab ranging from air handling to cooling tech and even the work flow through the building in a quest to cut down on dust that destroys chips. But before that you'd also have to improve a whole bunch of other things in a hurry. It could possibly be done rapidly but it would be a project so large it would be like the Manhattan Project. It would take a very large organized effort backed by one or more industrialized nations, and even then it still might not work and might just take the same amount of time and even more money than how it actually happened with an industry-driven solution.","human_ref_B":"This brings to mind the 3rd of Clarke's Three Laws... \"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.\" Now technology folks would not really think it was magic, but they'd be utterly shocked, stunned, and amazed. They'd work like hell to figure out what was going on... It would be very literally unbelievable that you could put GBs of data on something the size of a postage stamp. They would definitely be able to determine the protocols, although it'd be hard because they'd be sooooo much faster than they'd be used to (Mbps vs kbps). The IC inside (the memory chip itself) they would be able to see under a microscope for sure but it would be impossible to replicate because the IC fab process of the time would not be able to do such fine geometry. (they were doing cmos and nmos gates in 16 pin thru hole DIPs and 8 bit CPUs in 40 pin DIPs.) they wouldnt even be able to desolder or solder those surface mount parts.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22027.0,"score_ratio":6.2857142857} +{"post_id":"ky6o8b","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If micro SD cards were brought back in time to the era of the Commodore and given to the most advanced research teams of the time, what do you think they would make of them? The title pretty much says it all. In addition, I'm curious as to whether you guys think they could reverse engineer them using the technology of the time. I realize that this question is completely hypothetical with no confirmable answer, but I'm curious as to your thoughts on the matter.","c_root_id_A":"gjejaqu","c_root_id_B":"gjfdwk4","created_at_utc_A":1610757356,"created_at_utc_B":1610775456,"score_A":7,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"This brings to mind the 3rd of Clarke's Three Laws... \"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.\" Now technology folks would not really think it was magic, but they'd be utterly shocked, stunned, and amazed. They'd work like hell to figure out what was going on... It would be very literally unbelievable that you could put GBs of data on something the size of a postage stamp. They would definitely be able to determine the protocols, although it'd be hard because they'd be sooooo much faster than they'd be used to (Mbps vs kbps). The IC inside (the memory chip itself) they would be able to see under a microscope for sure but it would be impossible to replicate because the IC fab process of the time would not be able to do such fine geometry. (they were doing cmos and nmos gates in 16 pin thru hole DIPs and 8 bit CPUs in 40 pin DIPs.) they wouldnt even be able to desolder or solder those surface mount parts.","human_ref_B":"Depends on how far you go. They might have been able to look at the transistors using a good enough microscope and recognize the architecture. But they may have been unable to recreate it given the state of transistor technology. To give you an idea, CPUs in the 1970's and 1980's were measured in \u03bcm, while currently NAND flash uses transistors smaller than 20nm. Btw, NAND based memory already existed in the 80's. So the concept wouldn't have been something too crazy to imagine. You just wouldn't have been manufacture a device as small as an SD card.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18100.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4xzh11","c_root_id_B":"i4y9kil","created_at_utc_A":1650106128,"created_at_utc_B":1650113172,"score_A":83,"score_B":260,"human_ref_A":"I had a dude in his 70s in some of my classes because he wanted to get a degree... ​ 30 wasn't uncommon.","human_ref_B":"Not too late. But, doing that degree while working full time sounds like absolute hell","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7044.0,"score_ratio":3.1325301205} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4xngjr","c_root_id_B":"i4y9kil","created_at_utc_A":1650095754,"created_at_utc_B":1650113172,"score_A":38,"score_B":260,"human_ref_A":"I don't see why not, plenty of other people do well from going (back) to university later in life. My mother had a complete career change at 45 and went into law. Having a background in electrics will certainly also help you get over the first hurdles that many of your younger peers might struggle with, and additionally make you much more employable after graduating.","human_ref_B":"Not too late. But, doing that degree while working full time sounds like absolute hell","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17418.0,"score_ratio":6.8421052632} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y2y0q","c_root_id_B":"i4y9kil","created_at_utc_A":1650108853,"created_at_utc_B":1650113172,"score_A":29,"score_B":260,"human_ref_A":"Nope, best decision I ever made. It was tough, but fun, and now I make six figures doing cool shit.","human_ref_B":"Not too late. But, doing that degree while working full time sounds like absolute hell","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4319.0,"score_ratio":8.9655172414} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y3tm5","c_root_id_B":"i4y9kil","created_at_utc_A":1650109488,"created_at_utc_B":1650113172,"score_A":22,"score_B":260,"human_ref_A":"I am 35 and just started my junior year for EE. I work nights and at least enroll half-time. I work full time as a CNC Technician so it\u2019s kinda related.","human_ref_B":"Not too late. But, doing that degree while working full time sounds like absolute hell","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3684.0,"score_ratio":11.8181818182} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y9kil","c_root_id_B":"i4y45th","created_at_utc_A":1650113172,"created_at_utc_B":1650109727,"score_A":260,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Not too late. But, doing that degree while working full time sounds like absolute hell","human_ref_B":"I'm 34 and have started studying for a change","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3445.0,"score_ratio":32.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y9kil","c_root_id_B":"i4xx4ux","created_at_utc_A":1650113172,"created_at_utc_B":1650104186,"score_A":260,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Not too late. But, doing that degree while working full time sounds like absolute hell","human_ref_B":"No, it is not to late. I know many who started later in life successfully. There are no set backs. Yes, many people work and go to school. It\u2019s tough but doable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8986.0,"score_ratio":43.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y9kil","c_root_id_B":"i4y5se7","created_at_utc_A":1650113172,"created_at_utc_B":1650110824,"score_A":260,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Not too late. But, doing that degree while working full time sounds like absolute hell","human_ref_B":"Engineering student here. I started my degree in my 20s and thought I would be out of place. Turns out there is a lot of people way older than me so don't worry, never too late to start \ud83d\ude42","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2348.0,"score_ratio":86.6666666667} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y6ewe","c_root_id_B":"i4y9kil","created_at_utc_A":1650111232,"created_at_utc_B":1650113172,"score_A":3,"score_B":260,"human_ref_A":"Not at all. Obviously the big difference as an adult is paying the bills. Most students live at home and pay nothing or a small % of their income to parents. If you need to work 20hrs a week to support yourself for example, it can make doing full time uni hard, especially if it normal Mon-Fri 9-5 hrs. But if that stuff isn\u2019t an issue go for it. Even if you make good money now and then I\u2019ll make great money after, great money afterbis better. If you have a trade that likely pays the same and you don\u2019t hate it, maybe not a good trade","human_ref_B":"Not too late. But, doing that degree while working full time sounds like absolute hell","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1940.0,"score_ratio":86.6666666667} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y9kil","c_root_id_B":"i4y6qoi","created_at_utc_A":1650113172,"created_at_utc_B":1650111442,"score_A":260,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Not too late. But, doing that degree while working full time sounds like absolute hell","human_ref_B":"I went back to get my Mech E degree when I was ~28, and graduated when I was 35. I was fortunate enough to work for two separate employers during this time that covered tuition costs - see if this is an option for you, and if not look for a place that does! I took a semester or two off here and there due to life (my wife and I had two kids during this time). It was difficult for sure, class schedules don't always align with work schedules so I had to be creative with working across multiple shifts, or getting in ridiculously early so I could leave for early afternoon classes. I was very fortunate that my management fully supported my plan (with an occasional exception). I was also fortunate that my school recognized that I was a full time worker - I kept close communication with the dean when they were setting the schedule and on 2 occasions they scheduled a class specifically so I could fit it in. In another instance I was able to take a different course to meet the requirements of my degree. My best advice is to set a plan, figure out how many semesters you need to complete your degree, and stick to it. Use summer and winter courses if you can and just keep moving. A break is nice relief in the short term, but it's a hell of a lot more difficult going back after taking a semester off.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1730.0,"score_ratio":86.6666666667} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y7isz","c_root_id_B":"i4y9kil","created_at_utc_A":1650111929,"created_at_utc_B":1650113172,"score_A":2,"score_B":260,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not too late. The senior engineer in my department got his degree in his late 40s. Best engineer I know.","human_ref_B":"Not too late. But, doing that degree while working full time sounds like absolute hell","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1243.0,"score_ratio":130.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y8fru","c_root_id_B":"i4y9kil","created_at_utc_A":1650112491,"created_at_utc_B":1650113172,"score_A":2,"score_B":260,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not. I went back at 28, I remember being really nervous about it at the time. I\u2019m now 32 and graduating in a couple of weeks. Easily one of the best decisions of my life. If you want to know more about my experience feel free to DM me.","human_ref_B":"Not too late. But, doing that degree while working full time sounds like absolute hell","labels":0,"seconds_difference":681.0,"score_ratio":130.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y9kil","c_root_id_B":"i4y903o","created_at_utc_A":1650113172,"created_at_utc_B":1650112834,"score_A":260,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Not too late. But, doing that degree while working full time sounds like absolute hell","human_ref_B":"I started when I was 29, about to turn 30. I worked full time while attending school and I\u2019m about to get my associates in Computer Science 4 years later. It\u2019s hard work but I know it\u2019ll pay off in the end. Go for it and work hard! Do not give up!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":338.0,"score_ratio":130.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4xngjr","c_root_id_B":"i4xzh11","created_at_utc_A":1650095754,"created_at_utc_B":1650106128,"score_A":38,"score_B":83,"human_ref_A":"I don't see why not, plenty of other people do well from going (back) to university later in life. My mother had a complete career change at 45 and went into law. Having a background in electrics will certainly also help you get over the first hurdles that many of your younger peers might struggle with, and additionally make you much more employable after graduating.","human_ref_B":"I had a dude in his 70s in some of my classes because he wanted to get a degree... ​ 30 wasn't uncommon.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10374.0,"score_ratio":2.1842105263} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4xzh11","c_root_id_B":"i4xx4ux","created_at_utc_A":1650106128,"created_at_utc_B":1650104186,"score_A":83,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I had a dude in his 70s in some of my classes because he wanted to get a degree... ​ 30 wasn't uncommon.","human_ref_B":"No, it is not to late. I know many who started later in life successfully. There are no set backs. Yes, many people work and go to school. It\u2019s tough but doable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1942.0,"score_ratio":13.8333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y2y0q","c_root_id_B":"i4xx4ux","created_at_utc_A":1650108853,"created_at_utc_B":1650104186,"score_A":29,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Nope, best decision I ever made. It was tough, but fun, and now I make six figures doing cool shit.","human_ref_B":"No, it is not to late. I know many who started later in life successfully. There are no set backs. Yes, many people work and go to school. It\u2019s tough but doable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4667.0,"score_ratio":4.8333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y3tm5","c_root_id_B":"i4xx4ux","created_at_utc_A":1650109488,"created_at_utc_B":1650104186,"score_A":22,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I am 35 and just started my junior year for EE. I work nights and at least enroll half-time. I work full time as a CNC Technician so it\u2019s kinda related.","human_ref_B":"No, it is not to late. I know many who started later in life successfully. There are no set backs. Yes, many people work and go to school. It\u2019s tough but doable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5302.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ycstb","c_root_id_B":"i4ykbpw","created_at_utc_A":1650114986,"created_at_utc_B":1650118756,"score_A":7,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"There is no such thing as being to late\/old to do anything. My highschool senior year chemistry professor (mid 40s with 3 kids) was in my mechanical engineering undergrad cohort. He now has a great career in ME","human_ref_B":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3770.0,"score_ratio":1.8571428571} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y45th","c_root_id_B":"i4ykbpw","created_at_utc_A":1650109727,"created_at_utc_B":1650118756,"score_A":8,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I'm 34 and have started studying for a change","human_ref_B":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9029.0,"score_ratio":1.625} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ykbpw","c_root_id_B":"i4xx4ux","created_at_utc_A":1650118756,"created_at_utc_B":1650104186,"score_A":13,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","human_ref_B":"No, it is not to late. I know many who started later in life successfully. There are no set backs. Yes, many people work and go to school. It\u2019s tough but doable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14570.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yd9xu","c_root_id_B":"i4ykbpw","created_at_utc_A":1650115230,"created_at_utc_B":1650118756,"score_A":4,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I graduated last May with my engineering degree at 32. If you do it commit 100%. School is a cost but it\u2019s also an opportunity cost. Make your time in school as short as possible. Don\u2019t drop a class that you can\u2019t replace with another. Take as many classes as you can. 18+ is possible and the advisers will let you because you are older. Don\u2019t start slow, jump right in with a high work load. See if any training you have will count towards your degree. There is a lot of \u201cfree\u201d money out there. Take advantage of it. Good luck.","human_ref_B":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3526.0,"score_ratio":3.25} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yen1l","c_root_id_B":"i4ykbpw","created_at_utc_A":1650115943,"created_at_utc_B":1650118756,"score_A":4,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Not at all. My boss spent 10 years in the military before enrolling in engineering school. When I was in college I was mostly taking night classes and more than half the class was people 30 and up. The hardest part might be if your math skills are rusty. But they\u2019ll have you take an admissions test. If you don\u2019t score high enough they\u2019ll have you take some trig or pre-calc first to get up to speed. You could spend the time that you are saving money to brush up on math with online or community college courses if you think a refresher would help.","human_ref_B":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2813.0,"score_ratio":3.25} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ykbpw","c_root_id_B":"i4y5se7","created_at_utc_A":1650118756,"created_at_utc_B":1650110824,"score_A":13,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","human_ref_B":"Engineering student here. I started my degree in my 20s and thought I would be out of place. Turns out there is a lot of people way older than me so don't worry, never too late to start \ud83d\ude42","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7932.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y6ewe","c_root_id_B":"i4ykbpw","created_at_utc_A":1650111232,"created_at_utc_B":1650118756,"score_A":3,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Not at all. Obviously the big difference as an adult is paying the bills. Most students live at home and pay nothing or a small % of their income to parents. If you need to work 20hrs a week to support yourself for example, it can make doing full time uni hard, especially if it normal Mon-Fri 9-5 hrs. But if that stuff isn\u2019t an issue go for it. Even if you make good money now and then I\u2019ll make great money after, great money afterbis better. If you have a trade that likely pays the same and you don\u2019t hate it, maybe not a good trade","human_ref_B":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7524.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ykbpw","c_root_id_B":"i4y6qoi","created_at_utc_A":1650118756,"created_at_utc_B":1650111442,"score_A":13,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","human_ref_B":"I went back to get my Mech E degree when I was ~28, and graduated when I was 35. I was fortunate enough to work for two separate employers during this time that covered tuition costs - see if this is an option for you, and if not look for a place that does! I took a semester or two off here and there due to life (my wife and I had two kids during this time). It was difficult for sure, class schedules don't always align with work schedules so I had to be creative with working across multiple shifts, or getting in ridiculously early so I could leave for early afternoon classes. I was very fortunate that my management fully supported my plan (with an occasional exception). I was also fortunate that my school recognized that I was a full time worker - I kept close communication with the dean when they were setting the schedule and on 2 occasions they scheduled a class specifically so I could fit it in. In another instance I was able to take a different course to meet the requirements of my degree. My best advice is to set a plan, figure out how many semesters you need to complete your degree, and stick to it. Use summer and winter courses if you can and just keep moving. A break is nice relief in the short term, but it's a hell of a lot more difficult going back after taking a semester off.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7314.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ykbpw","c_root_id_B":"i4yeuqj","created_at_utc_A":1650118756,"created_at_utc_B":1650116051,"score_A":13,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","human_ref_B":"I'm on a scholarship review board and almost half of the applicants are 40+ trying to change careers. If they can do it you can't too buddy, I say go for it","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2705.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yhrzl","c_root_id_B":"i4ykbpw","created_at_utc_A":1650117524,"created_at_utc_B":1650118756,"score_A":3,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"My dude, I'm 35 and just finished my Associates in math and enrolled for an ABET accredited EE program online. I have three kids and I want to have the kind of career that will help me be the dad I want to be for them as they get older which means trying to step up. I fully support going back at 30. If you need a pep talk hit me up.","human_ref_B":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1232.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y7isz","c_root_id_B":"i4ykbpw","created_at_utc_A":1650111929,"created_at_utc_B":1650118756,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not too late. The senior engineer in my department got his degree in his late 40s. Best engineer I know.","human_ref_B":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6827.0,"score_ratio":6.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y8fru","c_root_id_B":"i4ykbpw","created_at_utc_A":1650112491,"created_at_utc_B":1650118756,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not. I went back at 28, I remember being really nervous about it at the time. I\u2019m now 32 and graduating in a couple of weeks. Easily one of the best decisions of my life. If you want to know more about my experience feel free to DM me.","human_ref_B":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6265.0,"score_ratio":6.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y903o","c_root_id_B":"i4ykbpw","created_at_utc_A":1650112834,"created_at_utc_B":1650118756,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I started when I was 29, about to turn 30. I worked full time while attending school and I\u2019m about to get my associates in Computer Science 4 years later. It\u2019s hard work but I know it\u2019ll pay off in the end. Go for it and work hard! Do not give up!","human_ref_B":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5922.0,"score_ratio":6.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yfqc4","c_root_id_B":"i4ykbpw","created_at_utc_A":1650116502,"created_at_utc_B":1650118756,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"My mentor and best friend went to engineering school at age 40. Ended up retiring as a principal engineer. It's never too late.","human_ref_B":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2254.0,"score_ratio":6.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yhgae","c_root_id_B":"i4ykbpw","created_at_utc_A":1650117363,"created_at_utc_B":1650118756,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I graduated at 30 with a degree in computer engineering and then entered the workforce. Absolutely not too late man. Was it hard? Yes and no. Hard because of my life responsibilities, but easier because I had a way higher drive than my peers. Biggest setback - it's tough to relate to some of the other students. I did it while.working fulltime. If you have any questions feel free to ask.","human_ref_B":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1393.0,"score_ratio":6.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yhy9v","c_root_id_B":"i4ykbpw","created_at_utc_A":1650117610,"created_at_utc_B":1650118756,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"No","human_ref_B":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1146.0,"score_ratio":6.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yieci","c_root_id_B":"i4ykbpw","created_at_utc_A":1650117829,"created_at_utc_B":1650118756,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"It wasn't too late for me. I'm 36 with no regrets about it. Definitely in the top 5 decisions I've ever made in my life, top 2 if we're just talking career.","human_ref_B":"In four years you'll be 32 regardless. Do you want to be 32 with an EE degree or 32 without one?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":927.0,"score_ratio":6.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ycstb","c_root_id_B":"i4yoedd","created_at_utc_A":1650114986,"created_at_utc_B":1650120607,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"There is no such thing as being to late\/old to do anything. My highschool senior year chemistry professor (mid 40s with 3 kids) was in my mechanical engineering undergrad cohort. He now has a great career in ME","human_ref_B":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5621.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yoedd","c_root_id_B":"i4y45th","created_at_utc_A":1650120607,"created_at_utc_B":1650109727,"score_A":9,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","human_ref_B":"I'm 34 and have started studying for a change","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10880.0,"score_ratio":1.125} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yoedd","c_root_id_B":"i4xx4ux","created_at_utc_A":1650120607,"created_at_utc_B":1650104186,"score_A":9,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","human_ref_B":"No, it is not to late. I know many who started later in life successfully. There are no set backs. Yes, many people work and go to school. It\u2019s tough but doable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16421.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yoedd","c_root_id_B":"i4ylqq5","created_at_utc_A":1650120607,"created_at_utc_B":1650119430,"score_A":9,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","human_ref_B":"My wife is due to graduate with her Aerospace degree this fall.... She's 50.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1177.0,"score_ratio":1.8} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yd9xu","c_root_id_B":"i4yoedd","created_at_utc_A":1650115230,"created_at_utc_B":1650120607,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I graduated last May with my engineering degree at 32. If you do it commit 100%. School is a cost but it\u2019s also an opportunity cost. Make your time in school as short as possible. Don\u2019t drop a class that you can\u2019t replace with another. Take as many classes as you can. 18+ is possible and the advisers will let you because you are older. Don\u2019t start slow, jump right in with a high work load. See if any training you have will count towards your degree. There is a lot of \u201cfree\u201d money out there. Take advantage of it. Good luck.","human_ref_B":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5377.0,"score_ratio":2.25} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yen1l","c_root_id_B":"i4yoedd","created_at_utc_A":1650115943,"created_at_utc_B":1650120607,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Not at all. My boss spent 10 years in the military before enrolling in engineering school. When I was in college I was mostly taking night classes and more than half the class was people 30 and up. The hardest part might be if your math skills are rusty. But they\u2019ll have you take an admissions test. If you don\u2019t score high enough they\u2019ll have you take some trig or pre-calc first to get up to speed. You could spend the time that you are saving money to brush up on math with online or community college courses if you think a refresher would help.","human_ref_B":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4664.0,"score_ratio":2.25} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yoedd","c_root_id_B":"i4y5se7","created_at_utc_A":1650120607,"created_at_utc_B":1650110824,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","human_ref_B":"Engineering student here. I started my degree in my 20s and thought I would be out of place. Turns out there is a lot of people way older than me so don't worry, never too late to start \ud83d\ude42","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9783.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y6ewe","c_root_id_B":"i4yoedd","created_at_utc_A":1650111232,"created_at_utc_B":1650120607,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Not at all. Obviously the big difference as an adult is paying the bills. Most students live at home and pay nothing or a small % of their income to parents. If you need to work 20hrs a week to support yourself for example, it can make doing full time uni hard, especially if it normal Mon-Fri 9-5 hrs. But if that stuff isn\u2019t an issue go for it. Even if you make good money now and then I\u2019ll make great money after, great money afterbis better. If you have a trade that likely pays the same and you don\u2019t hate it, maybe not a good trade","human_ref_B":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9375.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yoedd","c_root_id_B":"i4y6qoi","created_at_utc_A":1650120607,"created_at_utc_B":1650111442,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","human_ref_B":"I went back to get my Mech E degree when I was ~28, and graduated when I was 35. I was fortunate enough to work for two separate employers during this time that covered tuition costs - see if this is an option for you, and if not look for a place that does! I took a semester or two off here and there due to life (my wife and I had two kids during this time). It was difficult for sure, class schedules don't always align with work schedules so I had to be creative with working across multiple shifts, or getting in ridiculously early so I could leave for early afternoon classes. I was very fortunate that my management fully supported my plan (with an occasional exception). I was also fortunate that my school recognized that I was a full time worker - I kept close communication with the dean when they were setting the schedule and on 2 occasions they scheduled a class specifically so I could fit it in. In another instance I was able to take a different course to meet the requirements of my degree. My best advice is to set a plan, figure out how many semesters you need to complete your degree, and stick to it. Use summer and winter courses if you can and just keep moving. A break is nice relief in the short term, but it's a hell of a lot more difficult going back after taking a semester off.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9165.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yoedd","c_root_id_B":"i4yeuqj","created_at_utc_A":1650120607,"created_at_utc_B":1650116051,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","human_ref_B":"I'm on a scholarship review board and almost half of the applicants are 40+ trying to change careers. If they can do it you can't too buddy, I say go for it","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4556.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yhrzl","c_root_id_B":"i4yoedd","created_at_utc_A":1650117524,"created_at_utc_B":1650120607,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"My dude, I'm 35 and just finished my Associates in math and enrolled for an ABET accredited EE program online. I have three kids and I want to have the kind of career that will help me be the dad I want to be for them as they get older which means trying to step up. I fully support going back at 30. If you need a pep talk hit me up.","human_ref_B":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3083.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yoedd","c_root_id_B":"i4y7isz","created_at_utc_A":1650120607,"created_at_utc_B":1650111929,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","human_ref_B":"Definitely not too late. The senior engineer in my department got his degree in his late 40s. Best engineer I know.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8678.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yoedd","c_root_id_B":"i4y8fru","created_at_utc_A":1650120607,"created_at_utc_B":1650112491,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","human_ref_B":"Definitely not. I went back at 28, I remember being really nervous about it at the time. I\u2019m now 32 and graduating in a couple of weeks. Easily one of the best decisions of my life. If you want to know more about my experience feel free to DM me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8116.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yoedd","c_root_id_B":"i4y903o","created_at_utc_A":1650120607,"created_at_utc_B":1650112834,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","human_ref_B":"I started when I was 29, about to turn 30. I worked full time while attending school and I\u2019m about to get my associates in Computer Science 4 years later. It\u2019s hard work but I know it\u2019ll pay off in the end. Go for it and work hard! Do not give up!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7773.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yfqc4","c_root_id_B":"i4yoedd","created_at_utc_A":1650116502,"created_at_utc_B":1650120607,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"My mentor and best friend went to engineering school at age 40. Ended up retiring as a principal engineer. It's never too late.","human_ref_B":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4105.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yhgae","c_root_id_B":"i4yoedd","created_at_utc_A":1650117363,"created_at_utc_B":1650120607,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I graduated at 30 with a degree in computer engineering and then entered the workforce. Absolutely not too late man. Was it hard? Yes and no. Hard because of my life responsibilities, but easier because I had a way higher drive than my peers. Biggest setback - it's tough to relate to some of the other students. I did it while.working fulltime. If you have any questions feel free to ask.","human_ref_B":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3244.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yoedd","c_root_id_B":"i4yhy9v","created_at_utc_A":1650120607,"created_at_utc_B":1650117610,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","human_ref_B":"No","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2997.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yieci","c_root_id_B":"i4yoedd","created_at_utc_A":1650117829,"created_at_utc_B":1650120607,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"It wasn't too late for me. I'm 36 with no regrets about it. Definitely in the top 5 decisions I've ever made in my life, top 2 if we're just talking career.","human_ref_B":"I started my software engineering degree at 30 working full time. It took me 7 years but the financial rewards were more than I expected. There is a tradeoff however. I had three kids during that time and I know I wasn't as present as I could have been. I trying to make up for that now, but I am just warning you there are real and severe consequences with whatever choice you make. All in all, I probably would do it again if given the choice. I learned a lot about myself while on that journey and my family and I are stronger for it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2778.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4xx4ux","c_root_id_B":"i4ycstb","created_at_utc_A":1650104186,"created_at_utc_B":1650114986,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"No, it is not to late. I know many who started later in life successfully. There are no set backs. Yes, many people work and go to school. It\u2019s tough but doable.","human_ref_B":"There is no such thing as being to late\/old to do anything. My highschool senior year chemistry professor (mid 40s with 3 kids) was in my mechanical engineering undergrad cohort. He now has a great career in ME","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10800.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y5se7","c_root_id_B":"i4ycstb","created_at_utc_A":1650110824,"created_at_utc_B":1650114986,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Engineering student here. I started my degree in my 20s and thought I would be out of place. Turns out there is a lot of people way older than me so don't worry, never too late to start \ud83d\ude42","human_ref_B":"There is no such thing as being to late\/old to do anything. My highschool senior year chemistry professor (mid 40s with 3 kids) was in my mechanical engineering undergrad cohort. He now has a great career in ME","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4162.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ycstb","c_root_id_B":"i4y6ewe","created_at_utc_A":1650114986,"created_at_utc_B":1650111232,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"There is no such thing as being to late\/old to do anything. My highschool senior year chemistry professor (mid 40s with 3 kids) was in my mechanical engineering undergrad cohort. He now has a great career in ME","human_ref_B":"Not at all. Obviously the big difference as an adult is paying the bills. Most students live at home and pay nothing or a small % of their income to parents. If you need to work 20hrs a week to support yourself for example, it can make doing full time uni hard, especially if it normal Mon-Fri 9-5 hrs. But if that stuff isn\u2019t an issue go for it. Even if you make good money now and then I\u2019ll make great money after, great money afterbis better. If you have a trade that likely pays the same and you don\u2019t hate it, maybe not a good trade","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3754.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ycstb","c_root_id_B":"i4y6qoi","created_at_utc_A":1650114986,"created_at_utc_B":1650111442,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"There is no such thing as being to late\/old to do anything. My highschool senior year chemistry professor (mid 40s with 3 kids) was in my mechanical engineering undergrad cohort. He now has a great career in ME","human_ref_B":"I went back to get my Mech E degree when I was ~28, and graduated when I was 35. I was fortunate enough to work for two separate employers during this time that covered tuition costs - see if this is an option for you, and if not look for a place that does! I took a semester or two off here and there due to life (my wife and I had two kids during this time). It was difficult for sure, class schedules don't always align with work schedules so I had to be creative with working across multiple shifts, or getting in ridiculously early so I could leave for early afternoon classes. I was very fortunate that my management fully supported my plan (with an occasional exception). I was also fortunate that my school recognized that I was a full time worker - I kept close communication with the dean when they were setting the schedule and on 2 occasions they scheduled a class specifically so I could fit it in. In another instance I was able to take a different course to meet the requirements of my degree. My best advice is to set a plan, figure out how many semesters you need to complete your degree, and stick to it. Use summer and winter courses if you can and just keep moving. A break is nice relief in the short term, but it's a hell of a lot more difficult going back after taking a semester off.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3544.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y7isz","c_root_id_B":"i4ycstb","created_at_utc_A":1650111929,"created_at_utc_B":1650114986,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not too late. The senior engineer in my department got his degree in his late 40s. Best engineer I know.","human_ref_B":"There is no such thing as being to late\/old to do anything. My highschool senior year chemistry professor (mid 40s with 3 kids) was in my mechanical engineering undergrad cohort. He now has a great career in ME","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3057.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ycstb","c_root_id_B":"i4y8fru","created_at_utc_A":1650114986,"created_at_utc_B":1650112491,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"There is no such thing as being to late\/old to do anything. My highschool senior year chemistry professor (mid 40s with 3 kids) was in my mechanical engineering undergrad cohort. He now has a great career in ME","human_ref_B":"Definitely not. I went back at 28, I remember being really nervous about it at the time. I\u2019m now 32 and graduating in a couple of weeks. Easily one of the best decisions of my life. If you want to know more about my experience feel free to DM me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2495.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ycstb","c_root_id_B":"i4y903o","created_at_utc_A":1650114986,"created_at_utc_B":1650112834,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"There is no such thing as being to late\/old to do anything. My highschool senior year chemistry professor (mid 40s with 3 kids) was in my mechanical engineering undergrad cohort. He now has a great career in ME","human_ref_B":"I started when I was 29, about to turn 30. I worked full time while attending school and I\u2019m about to get my associates in Computer Science 4 years later. It\u2019s hard work but I know it\u2019ll pay off in the end. Go for it and work hard! Do not give up!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2152.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4xx4ux","c_root_id_B":"i4y45th","created_at_utc_A":1650104186,"created_at_utc_B":1650109727,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"No, it is not to late. I know many who started later in life successfully. There are no set backs. Yes, many people work and go to school. It\u2019s tough but doable.","human_ref_B":"I'm 34 and have started studying for a change","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5541.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yd9xu","c_root_id_B":"i4ylqq5","created_at_utc_A":1650115230,"created_at_utc_B":1650119430,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I graduated last May with my engineering degree at 32. If you do it commit 100%. School is a cost but it\u2019s also an opportunity cost. Make your time in school as short as possible. Don\u2019t drop a class that you can\u2019t replace with another. Take as many classes as you can. 18+ is possible and the advisers will let you because you are older. Don\u2019t start slow, jump right in with a high work load. See if any training you have will count towards your degree. There is a lot of \u201cfree\u201d money out there. Take advantage of it. Good luck.","human_ref_B":"My wife is due to graduate with her Aerospace degree this fall.... She's 50.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4200.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ylqq5","c_root_id_B":"i4yen1l","created_at_utc_A":1650119430,"created_at_utc_B":1650115943,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"My wife is due to graduate with her Aerospace degree this fall.... She's 50.","human_ref_B":"Not at all. My boss spent 10 years in the military before enrolling in engineering school. When I was in college I was mostly taking night classes and more than half the class was people 30 and up. The hardest part might be if your math skills are rusty. But they\u2019ll have you take an admissions test. If you don\u2019t score high enough they\u2019ll have you take some trig or pre-calc first to get up to speed. You could spend the time that you are saving money to brush up on math with online or community college courses if you think a refresher would help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3487.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y5se7","c_root_id_B":"i4ylqq5","created_at_utc_A":1650110824,"created_at_utc_B":1650119430,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Engineering student here. I started my degree in my 20s and thought I would be out of place. Turns out there is a lot of people way older than me so don't worry, never too late to start \ud83d\ude42","human_ref_B":"My wife is due to graduate with her Aerospace degree this fall.... She's 50.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8606.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y6ewe","c_root_id_B":"i4ylqq5","created_at_utc_A":1650111232,"created_at_utc_B":1650119430,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Not at all. Obviously the big difference as an adult is paying the bills. Most students live at home and pay nothing or a small % of their income to parents. If you need to work 20hrs a week to support yourself for example, it can make doing full time uni hard, especially if it normal Mon-Fri 9-5 hrs. But if that stuff isn\u2019t an issue go for it. Even if you make good money now and then I\u2019ll make great money after, great money afterbis better. If you have a trade that likely pays the same and you don\u2019t hate it, maybe not a good trade","human_ref_B":"My wife is due to graduate with her Aerospace degree this fall.... She's 50.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8198.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y6qoi","c_root_id_B":"i4ylqq5","created_at_utc_A":1650111442,"created_at_utc_B":1650119430,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I went back to get my Mech E degree when I was ~28, and graduated when I was 35. I was fortunate enough to work for two separate employers during this time that covered tuition costs - see if this is an option for you, and if not look for a place that does! I took a semester or two off here and there due to life (my wife and I had two kids during this time). It was difficult for sure, class schedules don't always align with work schedules so I had to be creative with working across multiple shifts, or getting in ridiculously early so I could leave for early afternoon classes. I was very fortunate that my management fully supported my plan (with an occasional exception). I was also fortunate that my school recognized that I was a full time worker - I kept close communication with the dean when they were setting the schedule and on 2 occasions they scheduled a class specifically so I could fit it in. In another instance I was able to take a different course to meet the requirements of my degree. My best advice is to set a plan, figure out how many semesters you need to complete your degree, and stick to it. Use summer and winter courses if you can and just keep moving. A break is nice relief in the short term, but it's a hell of a lot more difficult going back after taking a semester off.","human_ref_B":"My wife is due to graduate with her Aerospace degree this fall.... She's 50.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7988.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ylqq5","c_root_id_B":"i4yeuqj","created_at_utc_A":1650119430,"created_at_utc_B":1650116051,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"My wife is due to graduate with her Aerospace degree this fall.... She's 50.","human_ref_B":"I'm on a scholarship review board and almost half of the applicants are 40+ trying to change careers. If they can do it you can't too buddy, I say go for it","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3379.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ylqq5","c_root_id_B":"i4yhrzl","created_at_utc_A":1650119430,"created_at_utc_B":1650117524,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"My wife is due to graduate with her Aerospace degree this fall.... She's 50.","human_ref_B":"My dude, I'm 35 and just finished my Associates in math and enrolled for an ABET accredited EE program online. I have three kids and I want to have the kind of career that will help me be the dad I want to be for them as they get older which means trying to step up. I fully support going back at 30. If you need a pep talk hit me up.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1906.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y7isz","c_root_id_B":"i4ylqq5","created_at_utc_A":1650111929,"created_at_utc_B":1650119430,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not too late. The senior engineer in my department got his degree in his late 40s. Best engineer I know.","human_ref_B":"My wife is due to graduate with her Aerospace degree this fall.... She's 50.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7501.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y8fru","c_root_id_B":"i4ylqq5","created_at_utc_A":1650112491,"created_at_utc_B":1650119430,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not. I went back at 28, I remember being really nervous about it at the time. I\u2019m now 32 and graduating in a couple of weeks. Easily one of the best decisions of my life. If you want to know more about my experience feel free to DM me.","human_ref_B":"My wife is due to graduate with her Aerospace degree this fall.... She's 50.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6939.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ylqq5","c_root_id_B":"i4y903o","created_at_utc_A":1650119430,"created_at_utc_B":1650112834,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My wife is due to graduate with her Aerospace degree this fall.... She's 50.","human_ref_B":"I started when I was 29, about to turn 30. I worked full time while attending school and I\u2019m about to get my associates in Computer Science 4 years later. It\u2019s hard work but I know it\u2019ll pay off in the end. Go for it and work hard! Do not give up!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6596.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ylqq5","c_root_id_B":"i4yfqc4","created_at_utc_A":1650119430,"created_at_utc_B":1650116502,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My wife is due to graduate with her Aerospace degree this fall.... She's 50.","human_ref_B":"My mentor and best friend went to engineering school at age 40. Ended up retiring as a principal engineer. It's never too late.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2928.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4ylqq5","c_root_id_B":"i4yhgae","created_at_utc_A":1650119430,"created_at_utc_B":1650117363,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My wife is due to graduate with her Aerospace degree this fall.... She's 50.","human_ref_B":"I graduated at 30 with a degree in computer engineering and then entered the workforce. Absolutely not too late man. Was it hard? Yes and no. Hard because of my life responsibilities, but easier because I had a way higher drive than my peers. Biggest setback - it's tough to relate to some of the other students. I did it while.working fulltime. If you have any questions feel free to ask.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2067.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yhy9v","c_root_id_B":"i4ylqq5","created_at_utc_A":1650117610,"created_at_utc_B":1650119430,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"No","human_ref_B":"My wife is due to graduate with her Aerospace degree this fall.... She's 50.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1820.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yieci","c_root_id_B":"i4ylqq5","created_at_utc_A":1650117829,"created_at_utc_B":1650119430,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"It wasn't too late for me. I'm 36 with no regrets about it. Definitely in the top 5 decisions I've ever made in my life, top 2 if we're just talking career.","human_ref_B":"My wife is due to graduate with her Aerospace degree this fall.... She's 50.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1601.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yd9xu","c_root_id_B":"i4y5se7","created_at_utc_A":1650115230,"created_at_utc_B":1650110824,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I graduated last May with my engineering degree at 32. If you do it commit 100%. School is a cost but it\u2019s also an opportunity cost. Make your time in school as short as possible. Don\u2019t drop a class that you can\u2019t replace with another. Take as many classes as you can. 18+ is possible and the advisers will let you because you are older. Don\u2019t start slow, jump right in with a high work load. See if any training you have will count towards your degree. There is a lot of \u201cfree\u201d money out there. Take advantage of it. Good luck.","human_ref_B":"Engineering student here. I started my degree in my 20s and thought I would be out of place. Turns out there is a lot of people way older than me so don't worry, never too late to start \ud83d\ude42","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4406.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yd9xu","c_root_id_B":"i4y6ewe","created_at_utc_A":1650115230,"created_at_utc_B":1650111232,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I graduated last May with my engineering degree at 32. If you do it commit 100%. School is a cost but it\u2019s also an opportunity cost. Make your time in school as short as possible. Don\u2019t drop a class that you can\u2019t replace with another. Take as many classes as you can. 18+ is possible and the advisers will let you because you are older. Don\u2019t start slow, jump right in with a high work load. See if any training you have will count towards your degree. There is a lot of \u201cfree\u201d money out there. Take advantage of it. Good luck.","human_ref_B":"Not at all. Obviously the big difference as an adult is paying the bills. Most students live at home and pay nothing or a small % of their income to parents. If you need to work 20hrs a week to support yourself for example, it can make doing full time uni hard, especially if it normal Mon-Fri 9-5 hrs. But if that stuff isn\u2019t an issue go for it. Even if you make good money now and then I\u2019ll make great money after, great money afterbis better. If you have a trade that likely pays the same and you don\u2019t hate it, maybe not a good trade","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3998.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yd9xu","c_root_id_B":"i4y6qoi","created_at_utc_A":1650115230,"created_at_utc_B":1650111442,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I graduated last May with my engineering degree at 32. If you do it commit 100%. School is a cost but it\u2019s also an opportunity cost. Make your time in school as short as possible. Don\u2019t drop a class that you can\u2019t replace with another. Take as many classes as you can. 18+ is possible and the advisers will let you because you are older. Don\u2019t start slow, jump right in with a high work load. See if any training you have will count towards your degree. There is a lot of \u201cfree\u201d money out there. Take advantage of it. Good luck.","human_ref_B":"I went back to get my Mech E degree when I was ~28, and graduated when I was 35. I was fortunate enough to work for two separate employers during this time that covered tuition costs - see if this is an option for you, and if not look for a place that does! I took a semester or two off here and there due to life (my wife and I had two kids during this time). It was difficult for sure, class schedules don't always align with work schedules so I had to be creative with working across multiple shifts, or getting in ridiculously early so I could leave for early afternoon classes. I was very fortunate that my management fully supported my plan (with an occasional exception). I was also fortunate that my school recognized that I was a full time worker - I kept close communication with the dean when they were setting the schedule and on 2 occasions they scheduled a class specifically so I could fit it in. In another instance I was able to take a different course to meet the requirements of my degree. My best advice is to set a plan, figure out how many semesters you need to complete your degree, and stick to it. Use summer and winter courses if you can and just keep moving. A break is nice relief in the short term, but it's a hell of a lot more difficult going back after taking a semester off.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3788.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y7isz","c_root_id_B":"i4yd9xu","created_at_utc_A":1650111929,"created_at_utc_B":1650115230,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not too late. The senior engineer in my department got his degree in his late 40s. Best engineer I know.","human_ref_B":"I graduated last May with my engineering degree at 32. If you do it commit 100%. School is a cost but it\u2019s also an opportunity cost. Make your time in school as short as possible. Don\u2019t drop a class that you can\u2019t replace with another. Take as many classes as you can. 18+ is possible and the advisers will let you because you are older. Don\u2019t start slow, jump right in with a high work load. See if any training you have will count towards your degree. There is a lot of \u201cfree\u201d money out there. Take advantage of it. Good luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3301.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y8fru","c_root_id_B":"i4yd9xu","created_at_utc_A":1650112491,"created_at_utc_B":1650115230,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not. I went back at 28, I remember being really nervous about it at the time. I\u2019m now 32 and graduating in a couple of weeks. Easily one of the best decisions of my life. If you want to know more about my experience feel free to DM me.","human_ref_B":"I graduated last May with my engineering degree at 32. If you do it commit 100%. School is a cost but it\u2019s also an opportunity cost. Make your time in school as short as possible. Don\u2019t drop a class that you can\u2019t replace with another. Take as many classes as you can. 18+ is possible and the advisers will let you because you are older. Don\u2019t start slow, jump right in with a high work load. See if any training you have will count towards your degree. There is a lot of \u201cfree\u201d money out there. Take advantage of it. Good luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2739.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y903o","c_root_id_B":"i4yd9xu","created_at_utc_A":1650112834,"created_at_utc_B":1650115230,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I started when I was 29, about to turn 30. I worked full time while attending school and I\u2019m about to get my associates in Computer Science 4 years later. It\u2019s hard work but I know it\u2019ll pay off in the end. Go for it and work hard! Do not give up!","human_ref_B":"I graduated last May with my engineering degree at 32. If you do it commit 100%. School is a cost but it\u2019s also an opportunity cost. Make your time in school as short as possible. Don\u2019t drop a class that you can\u2019t replace with another. Take as many classes as you can. 18+ is possible and the advisers will let you because you are older. Don\u2019t start slow, jump right in with a high work load. See if any training you have will count towards your degree. There is a lot of \u201cfree\u201d money out there. Take advantage of it. Good luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2396.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y5se7","c_root_id_B":"i4yen1l","created_at_utc_A":1650110824,"created_at_utc_B":1650115943,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Engineering student here. I started my degree in my 20s and thought I would be out of place. Turns out there is a lot of people way older than me so don't worry, never too late to start \ud83d\ude42","human_ref_B":"Not at all. My boss spent 10 years in the military before enrolling in engineering school. When I was in college I was mostly taking night classes and more than half the class was people 30 and up. The hardest part might be if your math skills are rusty. But they\u2019ll have you take an admissions test. If you don\u2019t score high enough they\u2019ll have you take some trig or pre-calc first to get up to speed. You could spend the time that you are saving money to brush up on math with online or community college courses if you think a refresher would help.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5119.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yen1l","c_root_id_B":"i4y6ewe","created_at_utc_A":1650115943,"created_at_utc_B":1650111232,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Not at all. My boss spent 10 years in the military before enrolling in engineering school. When I was in college I was mostly taking night classes and more than half the class was people 30 and up. The hardest part might be if your math skills are rusty. But they\u2019ll have you take an admissions test. If you don\u2019t score high enough they\u2019ll have you take some trig or pre-calc first to get up to speed. You could spend the time that you are saving money to brush up on math with online or community college courses if you think a refresher would help.","human_ref_B":"Not at all. Obviously the big difference as an adult is paying the bills. Most students live at home and pay nothing or a small % of their income to parents. If you need to work 20hrs a week to support yourself for example, it can make doing full time uni hard, especially if it normal Mon-Fri 9-5 hrs. But if that stuff isn\u2019t an issue go for it. Even if you make good money now and then I\u2019ll make great money after, great money afterbis better. If you have a trade that likely pays the same and you don\u2019t hate it, maybe not a good trade","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4711.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y6qoi","c_root_id_B":"i4yen1l","created_at_utc_A":1650111442,"created_at_utc_B":1650115943,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I went back to get my Mech E degree when I was ~28, and graduated when I was 35. I was fortunate enough to work for two separate employers during this time that covered tuition costs - see if this is an option for you, and if not look for a place that does! I took a semester or two off here and there due to life (my wife and I had two kids during this time). It was difficult for sure, class schedules don't always align with work schedules so I had to be creative with working across multiple shifts, or getting in ridiculously early so I could leave for early afternoon classes. I was very fortunate that my management fully supported my plan (with an occasional exception). I was also fortunate that my school recognized that I was a full time worker - I kept close communication with the dean when they were setting the schedule and on 2 occasions they scheduled a class specifically so I could fit it in. In another instance I was able to take a different course to meet the requirements of my degree. My best advice is to set a plan, figure out how many semesters you need to complete your degree, and stick to it. Use summer and winter courses if you can and just keep moving. A break is nice relief in the short term, but it's a hell of a lot more difficult going back after taking a semester off.","human_ref_B":"Not at all. My boss spent 10 years in the military before enrolling in engineering school. When I was in college I was mostly taking night classes and more than half the class was people 30 and up. The hardest part might be if your math skills are rusty. But they\u2019ll have you take an admissions test. If you don\u2019t score high enough they\u2019ll have you take some trig or pre-calc first to get up to speed. You could spend the time that you are saving money to brush up on math with online or community college courses if you think a refresher would help.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4501.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y7isz","c_root_id_B":"i4yen1l","created_at_utc_A":1650111929,"created_at_utc_B":1650115943,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not too late. The senior engineer in my department got his degree in his late 40s. Best engineer I know.","human_ref_B":"Not at all. My boss spent 10 years in the military before enrolling in engineering school. When I was in college I was mostly taking night classes and more than half the class was people 30 and up. The hardest part might be if your math skills are rusty. But they\u2019ll have you take an admissions test. If you don\u2019t score high enough they\u2019ll have you take some trig or pre-calc first to get up to speed. You could spend the time that you are saving money to brush up on math with online or community college courses if you think a refresher would help.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4014.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yen1l","c_root_id_B":"i4y8fru","created_at_utc_A":1650115943,"created_at_utc_B":1650112491,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Not at all. My boss spent 10 years in the military before enrolling in engineering school. When I was in college I was mostly taking night classes and more than half the class was people 30 and up. The hardest part might be if your math skills are rusty. But they\u2019ll have you take an admissions test. If you don\u2019t score high enough they\u2019ll have you take some trig or pre-calc first to get up to speed. You could spend the time that you are saving money to brush up on math with online or community college courses if you think a refresher would help.","human_ref_B":"Definitely not. I went back at 28, I remember being really nervous about it at the time. I\u2019m now 32 and graduating in a couple of weeks. Easily one of the best decisions of my life. If you want to know more about my experience feel free to DM me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3452.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yen1l","c_root_id_B":"i4y903o","created_at_utc_A":1650115943,"created_at_utc_B":1650112834,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Not at all. My boss spent 10 years in the military before enrolling in engineering school. When I was in college I was mostly taking night classes and more than half the class was people 30 and up. The hardest part might be if your math skills are rusty. But they\u2019ll have you take an admissions test. If you don\u2019t score high enough they\u2019ll have you take some trig or pre-calc first to get up to speed. You could spend the time that you are saving money to brush up on math with online or community college courses if you think a refresher would help.","human_ref_B":"I started when I was 29, about to turn 30. I worked full time while attending school and I\u2019m about to get my associates in Computer Science 4 years later. It\u2019s hard work but I know it\u2019ll pay off in the end. Go for it and work hard! Do not give up!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3109.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4zppha","c_root_id_B":"i4y5se7","created_at_utc_A":1650136604,"created_at_utc_B":1650110824,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I am graduating in a few weeks at 45, so yes. 28 is way too late to go back.","human_ref_B":"Engineering student here. I started my degree in my 20s and thought I would be out of place. Turns out there is a lot of people way older than me so don't worry, never too late to start \ud83d\ude42","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25780.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y6ewe","c_root_id_B":"i4zppha","created_at_utc_A":1650111232,"created_at_utc_B":1650136604,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Not at all. Obviously the big difference as an adult is paying the bills. Most students live at home and pay nothing or a small % of their income to parents. If you need to work 20hrs a week to support yourself for example, it can make doing full time uni hard, especially if it normal Mon-Fri 9-5 hrs. But if that stuff isn\u2019t an issue go for it. Even if you make good money now and then I\u2019ll make great money after, great money afterbis better. If you have a trade that likely pays the same and you don\u2019t hate it, maybe not a good trade","human_ref_B":"I am graduating in a few weeks at 45, so yes. 28 is way too late to go back.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25372.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y6qoi","c_root_id_B":"i4zppha","created_at_utc_A":1650111442,"created_at_utc_B":1650136604,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I went back to get my Mech E degree when I was ~28, and graduated when I was 35. I was fortunate enough to work for two separate employers during this time that covered tuition costs - see if this is an option for you, and if not look for a place that does! I took a semester or two off here and there due to life (my wife and I had two kids during this time). It was difficult for sure, class schedules don't always align with work schedules so I had to be creative with working across multiple shifts, or getting in ridiculously early so I could leave for early afternoon classes. I was very fortunate that my management fully supported my plan (with an occasional exception). I was also fortunate that my school recognized that I was a full time worker - I kept close communication with the dean when they were setting the schedule and on 2 occasions they scheduled a class specifically so I could fit it in. In another instance I was able to take a different course to meet the requirements of my degree. My best advice is to set a plan, figure out how many semesters you need to complete your degree, and stick to it. Use summer and winter courses if you can and just keep moving. A break is nice relief in the short term, but it's a hell of a lot more difficult going back after taking a semester off.","human_ref_B":"I am graduating in a few weeks at 45, so yes. 28 is way too late to go back.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25162.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4zppha","c_root_id_B":"i4yeuqj","created_at_utc_A":1650136604,"created_at_utc_B":1650116051,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I am graduating in a few weeks at 45, so yes. 28 is way too late to go back.","human_ref_B":"I'm on a scholarship review board and almost half of the applicants are 40+ trying to change careers. If they can do it you can't too buddy, I say go for it","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20553.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yhrzl","c_root_id_B":"i4zppha","created_at_utc_A":1650117524,"created_at_utc_B":1650136604,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"My dude, I'm 35 and just finished my Associates in math and enrolled for an ABET accredited EE program online. I have three kids and I want to have the kind of career that will help me be the dad I want to be for them as they get older which means trying to step up. I fully support going back at 30. If you need a pep talk hit me up.","human_ref_B":"I am graduating in a few weeks at 45, so yes. 28 is way too late to go back.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19080.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4zppha","c_root_id_B":"i4y7isz","created_at_utc_A":1650136604,"created_at_utc_B":1650111929,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I am graduating in a few weeks at 45, so yes. 28 is way too late to go back.","human_ref_B":"Definitely not too late. The senior engineer in my department got his degree in his late 40s. Best engineer I know.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24675.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y8fru","c_root_id_B":"i4zppha","created_at_utc_A":1650112491,"created_at_utc_B":1650136604,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not. I went back at 28, I remember being really nervous about it at the time. I\u2019m now 32 and graduating in a couple of weeks. Easily one of the best decisions of my life. If you want to know more about my experience feel free to DM me.","human_ref_B":"I am graduating in a few weeks at 45, so yes. 28 is way too late to go back.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24113.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4zppha","c_root_id_B":"i4y903o","created_at_utc_A":1650136604,"created_at_utc_B":1650112834,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I am graduating in a few weeks at 45, so yes. 28 is way too late to go back.","human_ref_B":"I started when I was 29, about to turn 30. I worked full time while attending school and I\u2019m about to get my associates in Computer Science 4 years later. It\u2019s hard work but I know it\u2019ll pay off in the end. Go for it and work hard! Do not give up!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23770.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yfqc4","c_root_id_B":"i4zppha","created_at_utc_A":1650116502,"created_at_utc_B":1650136604,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"My mentor and best friend went to engineering school at age 40. Ended up retiring as a principal engineer. It's never too late.","human_ref_B":"I am graduating in a few weeks at 45, so yes. 28 is way too late to go back.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20102.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4zppha","c_root_id_B":"i4yhgae","created_at_utc_A":1650136604,"created_at_utc_B":1650117363,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I am graduating in a few weeks at 45, so yes. 28 is way too late to go back.","human_ref_B":"I graduated at 30 with a degree in computer engineering and then entered the workforce. Absolutely not too late man. Was it hard? Yes and no. Hard because of my life responsibilities, but easier because I had a way higher drive than my peers. Biggest setback - it's tough to relate to some of the other students. I did it while.working fulltime. If you have any questions feel free to ask.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19241.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yhy9v","c_root_id_B":"i4zppha","created_at_utc_A":1650117610,"created_at_utc_B":1650136604,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"No","human_ref_B":"I am graduating in a few weeks at 45, so yes. 28 is way too late to go back.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18994.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4zppha","c_root_id_B":"i4yieci","created_at_utc_A":1650136604,"created_at_utc_B":1650117829,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I am graduating in a few weeks at 45, so yes. 28 is way too late to go back.","human_ref_B":"It wasn't too late for me. I'm 36 with no regrets about it. Definitely in the top 5 decisions I've ever made in my life, top 2 if we're just talking career.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18775.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yeuqj","c_root_id_B":"i4y7isz","created_at_utc_A":1650116051,"created_at_utc_B":1650111929,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I'm on a scholarship review board and almost half of the applicants are 40+ trying to change careers. If they can do it you can't too buddy, I say go for it","human_ref_B":"Definitely not too late. The senior engineer in my department got his degree in his late 40s. Best engineer I know.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4122.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y8fru","c_root_id_B":"i4yeuqj","created_at_utc_A":1650112491,"created_at_utc_B":1650116051,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not. I went back at 28, I remember being really nervous about it at the time. I\u2019m now 32 and graduating in a couple of weeks. Easily one of the best decisions of my life. If you want to know more about my experience feel free to DM me.","human_ref_B":"I'm on a scholarship review board and almost half of the applicants are 40+ trying to change careers. If they can do it you can't too buddy, I say go for it","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3560.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yeuqj","c_root_id_B":"i4y903o","created_at_utc_A":1650116051,"created_at_utc_B":1650112834,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I'm on a scholarship review board and almost half of the applicants are 40+ trying to change careers. If they can do it you can't too buddy, I say go for it","human_ref_B":"I started when I was 29, about to turn 30. I worked full time while attending school and I\u2019m about to get my associates in Computer Science 4 years later. It\u2019s hard work but I know it\u2019ll pay off in the end. Go for it and work hard! Do not give up!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3217.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yhrzl","c_root_id_B":"i4y7isz","created_at_utc_A":1650117524,"created_at_utc_B":1650111929,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My dude, I'm 35 and just finished my Associates in math and enrolled for an ABET accredited EE program online. I have three kids and I want to have the kind of career that will help me be the dad I want to be for them as they get older which means trying to step up. I fully support going back at 30. If you need a pep talk hit me up.","human_ref_B":"Definitely not too late. The senior engineer in my department got his degree in his late 40s. Best engineer I know.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5595.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y8fru","c_root_id_B":"i4yhrzl","created_at_utc_A":1650112491,"created_at_utc_B":1650117524,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not. I went back at 28, I remember being really nervous about it at the time. I\u2019m now 32 and graduating in a couple of weeks. Easily one of the best decisions of my life. If you want to know more about my experience feel free to DM me.","human_ref_B":"My dude, I'm 35 and just finished my Associates in math and enrolled for an ABET accredited EE program online. I have three kids and I want to have the kind of career that will help me be the dad I want to be for them as they get older which means trying to step up. I fully support going back at 30. If you need a pep talk hit me up.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5033.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yhrzl","c_root_id_B":"i4y903o","created_at_utc_A":1650117524,"created_at_utc_B":1650112834,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My dude, I'm 35 and just finished my Associates in math and enrolled for an ABET accredited EE program online. I have three kids and I want to have the kind of career that will help me be the dad I want to be for them as they get older which means trying to step up. I fully support going back at 30. If you need a pep talk hit me up.","human_ref_B":"I started when I was 29, about to turn 30. I worked full time while attending school and I\u2019m about to get my associates in Computer Science 4 years later. It\u2019s hard work but I know it\u2019ll pay off in the end. Go for it and work hard! Do not give up!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4690.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yfqc4","c_root_id_B":"i4yhrzl","created_at_utc_A":1650116502,"created_at_utc_B":1650117524,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"My mentor and best friend went to engineering school at age 40. Ended up retiring as a principal engineer. It's never too late.","human_ref_B":"My dude, I'm 35 and just finished my Associates in math and enrolled for an ABET accredited EE program online. I have three kids and I want to have the kind of career that will help me be the dad I want to be for them as they get older which means trying to step up. I fully support going back at 30. If you need a pep talk hit me up.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1022.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yhgae","c_root_id_B":"i4yhrzl","created_at_utc_A":1650117363,"created_at_utc_B":1650117524,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I graduated at 30 with a degree in computer engineering and then entered the workforce. Absolutely not too late man. Was it hard? Yes and no. Hard because of my life responsibilities, but easier because I had a way higher drive than my peers. Biggest setback - it's tough to relate to some of the other students. I did it while.working fulltime. If you have any questions feel free to ask.","human_ref_B":"My dude, I'm 35 and just finished my Associates in math and enrolled for an ABET accredited EE program online. I have three kids and I want to have the kind of career that will help me be the dad I want to be for them as they get older which means trying to step up. I fully support going back at 30. If you need a pep talk hit me up.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":161.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y7isz","c_root_id_B":"i51hxl8","created_at_utc_A":1650111929,"created_at_utc_B":1650166881,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not too late. The senior engineer in my department got his degree in his late 40s. Best engineer I know.","human_ref_B":"u\/Jheins3 gave a good description of some of the potential setbacks. I have experienced some of these, but maybe to a lesser degree. At 34 I have two years left before I graduate with my bachelor's in EE, and I am very optimistic about it. ​ My recommendations, if you want to go to school: \\- A good (reasonable!) budget is important. Save up some money from your current job - enough for at least a year, or two if you can, of broke living. \\- Go to a decent school, but don't go breaking the bank. You're already a third of the way through your working life, and an engineering degree from any accredited university carries weight. \\- At some point you're probably going to have to decide between keeping your job or finishing school. Already know what your priority is before you have to make that decision. Have a plan, and follow through, whatever you choose. \\- If you choose school, make friends with your professors, your advisor, and be sure you understand the hierarchy of staff in your college. The registrar's office, the bursar's office, your college, the dean, the chair, etc. Prepare to spend your free time on campus, in office hours, in labs, in study groups, with tutors, and budget accordingly. Learning is largely a process of failing and learning from your mistakes. \\- You will need to ask for help to succeed. \\- Prepare to eat a lot of cheap home-made meals. rice and beans, eggs and toast, etc. ​ Simple answers: Is it too late? No. Some setbacks? You're not another kid in school anymore. You're an adult working toward a goal. Take responsibility and work your way through the system. Possible while working full time? Yes, but I wouldn't recommend it. It will become a true hell faster than you can prepare for it. I have a friend doing just that. He is a beast. He's a couple years in, and I am genuinely concerned for his well-being. ​ It's a tough road to choose. But, I believe that if you can step up it's worth it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":54952.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y8fru","c_root_id_B":"i51hxl8","created_at_utc_A":1650112491,"created_at_utc_B":1650166881,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not. I went back at 28, I remember being really nervous about it at the time. I\u2019m now 32 and graduating in a couple of weeks. Easily one of the best decisions of my life. If you want to know more about my experience feel free to DM me.","human_ref_B":"u\/Jheins3 gave a good description of some of the potential setbacks. I have experienced some of these, but maybe to a lesser degree. At 34 I have two years left before I graduate with my bachelor's in EE, and I am very optimistic about it. ​ My recommendations, if you want to go to school: \\- A good (reasonable!) budget is important. Save up some money from your current job - enough for at least a year, or two if you can, of broke living. \\- Go to a decent school, but don't go breaking the bank. You're already a third of the way through your working life, and an engineering degree from any accredited university carries weight. \\- At some point you're probably going to have to decide between keeping your job or finishing school. Already know what your priority is before you have to make that decision. Have a plan, and follow through, whatever you choose. \\- If you choose school, make friends with your professors, your advisor, and be sure you understand the hierarchy of staff in your college. The registrar's office, the bursar's office, your college, the dean, the chair, etc. Prepare to spend your free time on campus, in office hours, in labs, in study groups, with tutors, and budget accordingly. Learning is largely a process of failing and learning from your mistakes. \\- You will need to ask for help to succeed. \\- Prepare to eat a lot of cheap home-made meals. rice and beans, eggs and toast, etc. ​ Simple answers: Is it too late? No. Some setbacks? You're not another kid in school anymore. You're an adult working toward a goal. Take responsibility and work your way through the system. Possible while working full time? Yes, but I wouldn't recommend it. It will become a true hell faster than you can prepare for it. I have a friend doing just that. He is a beast. He's a couple years in, and I am genuinely concerned for his well-being. ​ It's a tough road to choose. But, I believe that if you can step up it's worth it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":54390.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i51hxl8","c_root_id_B":"i4y903o","created_at_utc_A":1650166881,"created_at_utc_B":1650112834,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"u\/Jheins3 gave a good description of some of the potential setbacks. I have experienced some of these, but maybe to a lesser degree. At 34 I have two years left before I graduate with my bachelor's in EE, and I am very optimistic about it. ​ My recommendations, if you want to go to school: \\- A good (reasonable!) budget is important. Save up some money from your current job - enough for at least a year, or two if you can, of broke living. \\- Go to a decent school, but don't go breaking the bank. You're already a third of the way through your working life, and an engineering degree from any accredited university carries weight. \\- At some point you're probably going to have to decide between keeping your job or finishing school. Already know what your priority is before you have to make that decision. Have a plan, and follow through, whatever you choose. \\- If you choose school, make friends with your professors, your advisor, and be sure you understand the hierarchy of staff in your college. The registrar's office, the bursar's office, your college, the dean, the chair, etc. Prepare to spend your free time on campus, in office hours, in labs, in study groups, with tutors, and budget accordingly. Learning is largely a process of failing and learning from your mistakes. \\- You will need to ask for help to succeed. \\- Prepare to eat a lot of cheap home-made meals. rice and beans, eggs and toast, etc. ​ Simple answers: Is it too late? No. Some setbacks? You're not another kid in school anymore. You're an adult working toward a goal. Take responsibility and work your way through the system. Possible while working full time? Yes, but I wouldn't recommend it. It will become a true hell faster than you can prepare for it. I have a friend doing just that. He is a beast. He's a couple years in, and I am genuinely concerned for his well-being. ​ It's a tough road to choose. But, I believe that if you can step up it's worth it.","human_ref_B":"I started when I was 29, about to turn 30. I worked full time while attending school and I\u2019m about to get my associates in Computer Science 4 years later. It\u2019s hard work but I know it\u2019ll pay off in the end. Go for it and work hard! Do not give up!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":54047.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yfqc4","c_root_id_B":"i51hxl8","created_at_utc_A":1650116502,"created_at_utc_B":1650166881,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"My mentor and best friend went to engineering school at age 40. Ended up retiring as a principal engineer. It's never too late.","human_ref_B":"u\/Jheins3 gave a good description of some of the potential setbacks. I have experienced some of these, but maybe to a lesser degree. At 34 I have two years left before I graduate with my bachelor's in EE, and I am very optimistic about it. ​ My recommendations, if you want to go to school: \\- A good (reasonable!) budget is important. Save up some money from your current job - enough for at least a year, or two if you can, of broke living. \\- Go to a decent school, but don't go breaking the bank. You're already a third of the way through your working life, and an engineering degree from any accredited university carries weight. \\- At some point you're probably going to have to decide between keeping your job or finishing school. Already know what your priority is before you have to make that decision. Have a plan, and follow through, whatever you choose. \\- If you choose school, make friends with your professors, your advisor, and be sure you understand the hierarchy of staff in your college. The registrar's office, the bursar's office, your college, the dean, the chair, etc. Prepare to spend your free time on campus, in office hours, in labs, in study groups, with tutors, and budget accordingly. Learning is largely a process of failing and learning from your mistakes. \\- You will need to ask for help to succeed. \\- Prepare to eat a lot of cheap home-made meals. rice and beans, eggs and toast, etc. ​ Simple answers: Is it too late? No. Some setbacks? You're not another kid in school anymore. You're an adult working toward a goal. Take responsibility and work your way through the system. Possible while working full time? Yes, but I wouldn't recommend it. It will become a true hell faster than you can prepare for it. I have a friend doing just that. He is a beast. He's a couple years in, and I am genuinely concerned for his well-being. ​ It's a tough road to choose. But, I believe that if you can step up it's worth it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":50379.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i51hxl8","c_root_id_B":"i4yhgae","created_at_utc_A":1650166881,"created_at_utc_B":1650117363,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"u\/Jheins3 gave a good description of some of the potential setbacks. I have experienced some of these, but maybe to a lesser degree. At 34 I have two years left before I graduate with my bachelor's in EE, and I am very optimistic about it. ​ My recommendations, if you want to go to school: \\- A good (reasonable!) budget is important. Save up some money from your current job - enough for at least a year, or two if you can, of broke living. \\- Go to a decent school, but don't go breaking the bank. You're already a third of the way through your working life, and an engineering degree from any accredited university carries weight. \\- At some point you're probably going to have to decide between keeping your job or finishing school. Already know what your priority is before you have to make that decision. Have a plan, and follow through, whatever you choose. \\- If you choose school, make friends with your professors, your advisor, and be sure you understand the hierarchy of staff in your college. The registrar's office, the bursar's office, your college, the dean, the chair, etc. Prepare to spend your free time on campus, in office hours, in labs, in study groups, with tutors, and budget accordingly. Learning is largely a process of failing and learning from your mistakes. \\- You will need to ask for help to succeed. \\- Prepare to eat a lot of cheap home-made meals. rice and beans, eggs and toast, etc. ​ Simple answers: Is it too late? No. Some setbacks? You're not another kid in school anymore. You're an adult working toward a goal. Take responsibility and work your way through the system. Possible while working full time? Yes, but I wouldn't recommend it. It will become a true hell faster than you can prepare for it. I have a friend doing just that. He is a beast. He's a couple years in, and I am genuinely concerned for his well-being. ​ It's a tough road to choose. But, I believe that if you can step up it's worth it.","human_ref_B":"I graduated at 30 with a degree in computer engineering and then entered the workforce. Absolutely not too late man. Was it hard? Yes and no. Hard because of my life responsibilities, but easier because I had a way higher drive than my peers. Biggest setback - it's tough to relate to some of the other students. I did it while.working fulltime. If you have any questions feel free to ask.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":49518.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yhy9v","c_root_id_B":"i51hxl8","created_at_utc_A":1650117610,"created_at_utc_B":1650166881,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"No","human_ref_B":"u\/Jheins3 gave a good description of some of the potential setbacks. I have experienced some of these, but maybe to a lesser degree. At 34 I have two years left before I graduate with my bachelor's in EE, and I am very optimistic about it. ​ My recommendations, if you want to go to school: \\- A good (reasonable!) budget is important. Save up some money from your current job - enough for at least a year, or two if you can, of broke living. \\- Go to a decent school, but don't go breaking the bank. You're already a third of the way through your working life, and an engineering degree from any accredited university carries weight. \\- At some point you're probably going to have to decide between keeping your job or finishing school. Already know what your priority is before you have to make that decision. Have a plan, and follow through, whatever you choose. \\- If you choose school, make friends with your professors, your advisor, and be sure you understand the hierarchy of staff in your college. The registrar's office, the bursar's office, your college, the dean, the chair, etc. Prepare to spend your free time on campus, in office hours, in labs, in study groups, with tutors, and budget accordingly. Learning is largely a process of failing and learning from your mistakes. \\- You will need to ask for help to succeed. \\- Prepare to eat a lot of cheap home-made meals. rice and beans, eggs and toast, etc. ​ Simple answers: Is it too late? No. Some setbacks? You're not another kid in school anymore. You're an adult working toward a goal. Take responsibility and work your way through the system. Possible while working full time? Yes, but I wouldn't recommend it. It will become a true hell faster than you can prepare for it. I have a friend doing just that. He is a beast. He's a couple years in, and I am genuinely concerned for his well-being. ​ It's a tough road to choose. But, I believe that if you can step up it's worth it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":49271.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yieci","c_root_id_B":"i51hxl8","created_at_utc_A":1650117829,"created_at_utc_B":1650166881,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It wasn't too late for me. I'm 36 with no regrets about it. Definitely in the top 5 decisions I've ever made in my life, top 2 if we're just talking career.","human_ref_B":"u\/Jheins3 gave a good description of some of the potential setbacks. I have experienced some of these, but maybe to a lesser degree. At 34 I have two years left before I graduate with my bachelor's in EE, and I am very optimistic about it. ​ My recommendations, if you want to go to school: \\- A good (reasonable!) budget is important. Save up some money from your current job - enough for at least a year, or two if you can, of broke living. \\- Go to a decent school, but don't go breaking the bank. You're already a third of the way through your working life, and an engineering degree from any accredited university carries weight. \\- At some point you're probably going to have to decide between keeping your job or finishing school. Already know what your priority is before you have to make that decision. Have a plan, and follow through, whatever you choose. \\- If you choose school, make friends with your professors, your advisor, and be sure you understand the hierarchy of staff in your college. The registrar's office, the bursar's office, your college, the dean, the chair, etc. Prepare to spend your free time on campus, in office hours, in labs, in study groups, with tutors, and budget accordingly. Learning is largely a process of failing and learning from your mistakes. \\- You will need to ask for help to succeed. \\- Prepare to eat a lot of cheap home-made meals. rice and beans, eggs and toast, etc. ​ Simple answers: Is it too late? No. Some setbacks? You're not another kid in school anymore. You're an adult working toward a goal. Take responsibility and work your way through the system. Possible while working full time? Yes, but I wouldn't recommend it. It will become a true hell faster than you can prepare for it. I have a friend doing just that. He is a beast. He's a couple years in, and I am genuinely concerned for his well-being. ​ It's a tough road to choose. But, I believe that if you can step up it's worth it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":49052.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y7isz","c_root_id_B":"i51v499","created_at_utc_A":1650111929,"created_at_utc_B":1650175058,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not too late. The senior engineer in my department got his degree in his late 40s. Best engineer I know.","human_ref_B":"The best time to go to college was years ago, the second best time is right now","labels":0,"seconds_difference":63129.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4y8fru","c_root_id_B":"i51v499","created_at_utc_A":1650112491,"created_at_utc_B":1650175058,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Definitely not. I went back at 28, I remember being really nervous about it at the time. I\u2019m now 32 and graduating in a couple of weeks. Easily one of the best decisions of my life. If you want to know more about my experience feel free to DM me.","human_ref_B":"The best time to go to college was years ago, the second best time is right now","labels":0,"seconds_difference":62567.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i51v499","c_root_id_B":"i4y903o","created_at_utc_A":1650175058,"created_at_utc_B":1650112834,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"The best time to go to college was years ago, the second best time is right now","human_ref_B":"I started when I was 29, about to turn 30. I worked full time while attending school and I\u2019m about to get my associates in Computer Science 4 years later. It\u2019s hard work but I know it\u2019ll pay off in the end. Go for it and work hard! Do not give up!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":62224.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i51v499","c_root_id_B":"i4yfqc4","created_at_utc_A":1650175058,"created_at_utc_B":1650116502,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"The best time to go to college was years ago, the second best time is right now","human_ref_B":"My mentor and best friend went to engineering school at age 40. Ended up retiring as a principal engineer. It's never too late.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":58556.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yhgae","c_root_id_B":"i51v499","created_at_utc_A":1650117363,"created_at_utc_B":1650175058,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I graduated at 30 with a degree in computer engineering and then entered the workforce. Absolutely not too late man. Was it hard? Yes and no. Hard because of my life responsibilities, but easier because I had a way higher drive than my peers. Biggest setback - it's tough to relate to some of the other students. I did it while.working fulltime. If you have any questions feel free to ask.","human_ref_B":"The best time to go to college was years ago, the second best time is right now","labels":0,"seconds_difference":57695.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i51v499","c_root_id_B":"i4yhy9v","created_at_utc_A":1650175058,"created_at_utc_B":1650117610,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"The best time to go to college was years ago, the second best time is right now","human_ref_B":"No","labels":1,"seconds_difference":57448.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u4sk94","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is 30 too late to go back to college for Electrical Engineering? Hi! I'm a 28 year old, relatively new instrumentation and controls technician. I've thought for a long time about going back to college for Electrical Engineering. It would take me a while to get my finances in order. Is your 30s too late in life to go back for Electrical Engineering? What are some of the setbacks when you're older, and is it possible to do it while still working full-time?","c_root_id_A":"i4yieci","c_root_id_B":"i51v499","created_at_utc_A":1650117829,"created_at_utc_B":1650175058,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It wasn't too late for me. I'm 36 with no regrets about it. Definitely in the top 5 decisions I've ever made in my life, top 2 if we're just talking career.","human_ref_B":"The best time to go to college was years ago, the second best time is right now","labels":0,"seconds_difference":57229.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7593ke","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers who started their careers and then went back to complete their masters, how did you do it? Im currently a systems engineer (mechanical background) at a nuclear plant, Im thinking of going back to school to complete my masters in engineering. Those of you who started careers then went back to school (either full time or part time), how did you go about doing this? What were some of the challenges you faced, hurdles you did not forsee? Also, how did you pay for it? Just looking for some pros and cons. I graduated in 2015 with a bachelors.","c_root_id_A":"do4nvx3","c_root_id_B":"do4jxc4","created_at_utc_A":1507570273,"created_at_utc_B":1507566240,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I did my (ECE) master's part-time while working in the industry full time, it took me three years. > What were some of the challenges you faced, hurdles you did not forsee? Time was the obvious challenge. Cutting out from a demanding day job early to sit in a classroom until the dark hours of the evening two days a week and going into work early or staying late the other days wasn't great and pretty much guaranteed that homework\/projects ate into my weekends. For the most part I was able to manage the peak times at work and in school but the few times I screwed up (or got caught by surprise) were pretty rough. This also caused other issues, some professors really like to assign something on a Monday and have it due on a Wednesday. Or assign something due a week from Wednesday but not cover the necessary requirements until the following Monday. I had to be very proactive in establishing expectations with my instructors, and in some cases had to work blindly to ensure that I had time to actually work on assignments. Group work could also be challenging, though fortunately I was mostly able to work with other folks in the same situation so we were all on the same page. I will also note that this stunted my career growth a bit. While I was using my free time to continue my education some of my coworkers were using their free time to get ahead at work. And once I got my diploma it didn't really matter to my employer, I had to change jobs for it to make a difference (and waited way too long to do so). > Also, how did you pay for it? My employer had a program that covered the bulk of the cost which was fantastic, grad school wasn't super expensive but it allowed me to continue my education without putting other priorities on hold.","human_ref_B":"Took job right out of BSEE because $. 15 years later, company offers classes in video conf room. Took 1 class\/semester with a few years break because stress, a billion years later MSEE. No raise, but classes applied to job and helped me, so it was worth it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4033.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7593ke","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers who started their careers and then went back to complete their masters, how did you do it? Im currently a systems engineer (mechanical background) at a nuclear plant, Im thinking of going back to school to complete my masters in engineering. Those of you who started careers then went back to school (either full time or part time), how did you go about doing this? What were some of the challenges you faced, hurdles you did not forsee? Also, how did you pay for it? Just looking for some pros and cons. I graduated in 2015 with a bachelors.","c_root_id_A":"do4nvx3","c_root_id_B":"do4colo","created_at_utc_A":1507570273,"created_at_utc_B":1507557933,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I did my (ECE) master's part-time while working in the industry full time, it took me three years. > What were some of the challenges you faced, hurdles you did not forsee? Time was the obvious challenge. Cutting out from a demanding day job early to sit in a classroom until the dark hours of the evening two days a week and going into work early or staying late the other days wasn't great and pretty much guaranteed that homework\/projects ate into my weekends. For the most part I was able to manage the peak times at work and in school but the few times I screwed up (or got caught by surprise) were pretty rough. This also caused other issues, some professors really like to assign something on a Monday and have it due on a Wednesday. Or assign something due a week from Wednesday but not cover the necessary requirements until the following Monday. I had to be very proactive in establishing expectations with my instructors, and in some cases had to work blindly to ensure that I had time to actually work on assignments. Group work could also be challenging, though fortunately I was mostly able to work with other folks in the same situation so we were all on the same page. I will also note that this stunted my career growth a bit. While I was using my free time to continue my education some of my coworkers were using their free time to get ahead at work. And once I got my diploma it didn't really matter to my employer, I had to change jobs for it to make a difference (and waited way too long to do so). > Also, how did you pay for it? My employer had a program that covered the bulk of the cost which was fantastic, grad school wasn't super expensive but it allowed me to continue my education without putting other priorities on hold.","human_ref_B":"one of my coworkers just applied online with his GPA and GRE and got in. https:\/\/cvn.columbia.edu\/program\/columbia-university-mechanical-engineering-masters-degree-masters-science company pays for it since hes in rotation program (they dont have continuing edu budget limits) pros - masters from columbia, one of the top online engineering schools. cons - takes a lot of time (2-3 years part time or 1-2 years if youre really good), and you have to keep working full time i wouldnt leave work to do this, unless you can afford it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12340.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"7593ke","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers who started their careers and then went back to complete their masters, how did you do it? Im currently a systems engineer (mechanical background) at a nuclear plant, Im thinking of going back to school to complete my masters in engineering. Those of you who started careers then went back to school (either full time or part time), how did you go about doing this? What were some of the challenges you faced, hurdles you did not forsee? Also, how did you pay for it? Just looking for some pros and cons. I graduated in 2015 with a bachelors.","c_root_id_A":"do4jxc4","c_root_id_B":"do4colo","created_at_utc_A":1507566240,"created_at_utc_B":1507557933,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Took job right out of BSEE because $. 15 years later, company offers classes in video conf room. Took 1 class\/semester with a few years break because stress, a billion years later MSEE. No raise, but classes applied to job and helped me, so it was worth it.","human_ref_B":"one of my coworkers just applied online with his GPA and GRE and got in. https:\/\/cvn.columbia.edu\/program\/columbia-university-mechanical-engineering-masters-degree-masters-science company pays for it since hes in rotation program (they dont have continuing edu budget limits) pros - masters from columbia, one of the top online engineering schools. cons - takes a lot of time (2-3 years part time or 1-2 years if youre really good), and you have to keep working full time i wouldnt leave work to do this, unless you can afford it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8307.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"7593ke","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers who started their careers and then went back to complete their masters, how did you do it? Im currently a systems engineer (mechanical background) at a nuclear plant, Im thinking of going back to school to complete my masters in engineering. Those of you who started careers then went back to school (either full time or part time), how did you go about doing this? What were some of the challenges you faced, hurdles you did not forsee? Also, how did you pay for it? Just looking for some pros and cons. I graduated in 2015 with a bachelors.","c_root_id_A":"do5n60e","c_root_id_B":"do56nca","created_at_utc_A":1507609624,"created_at_utc_B":1507590144,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I quit my job and studied full time. I went to work (ME) after getting by BEng for 3.5 years. After the first year, the excitement had kind of worn off and I couldn't see myself there long term. When I got frustrated with my job and couldn't see other opportunities, I decided on going back and getting a masters to do what I wanted. I spoke with tons of people who had been doing masters+work or distance learning, but I wanted to do research and that isn't really compatible with a 9-5 job. I ended up deciding that if I was going to do it, it had to be full time, so I left my company (I got a damn good offer to stay) and became a full time graduate student. I found part-time students took double the amount of time to finish and often didn't since work is always the priority. I got a scholarship, so that helped to pay for tuition and I worked as a TA during the time I was there. Anything else I needed I could supplement with my savings, but something to keep in mind was that student life (roommates, walk to school, etc.) is waaay cheaper, so I didn't end up burning through all my savings. The challenges I faced were getting back into study mode while doing courses and remembering all the technical courses from BEng that others had completed the previous semester but had been four years ago for me (I cracked open my calculus book so often...). I made sure to introduce myself to my professors right away and explain my situation. They were more than happy for me to come to office hours and pick their brain, get extra help or just to chat about their work. Another challenge was that I had no network of friends or peers at the beginning. But this is the same if you transfer to another school for graduate studies, so it's not a big deal. Pros for me: Got to know my professors well since I saw them as colleagues. Had a good work ethic from my job, so worked hard, but knew when to take a break and relax. Got some good connections to industry that I would never have gotten by working on different projects. The full time work experience you have when you get out is super valuable and gets you noticed by recruiters. Ended up getting a fantastic job I really like that would not have been open to me with just a BEng. So much vacation possible. The academic environment is amazing and the people fantastic. Cons: the job market afterwards still sucks and finding a job isn't easy whether you have a masters or not (or PhD for that matter). Massive pay cut for several years while working on it. Change in lifestyle (both good and bad). I saw all my friends making huge strides in life (getting married, houses, etc) with all their money while I was stuck being a 'student' again. Ultimately, it paid off for me, and doing it full time was how I wanted to do it. I would suggest doing it only if you need it as a tool to achieve something you really want to do. It's a big commitment (time and otherwise), and it's definitely possible to get a great job and advance without one because (although I see lots of graduate degrees in the nuclear field).","human_ref_B":"One way to do it is to get a job at a university. I went to work for an R&D lab that's part of a university, so I was a university employee and got a tuition discount as a result. I was able to leave during the day to go to class and stay late to make up the time. With the discount, classes were cheap enough that I paid for them myself. My management was very supportive, but it does take a while if you're doing it part time. That and between work and classes you'd work 9-10 hours a day and then have to work on homework or projects after hours. I finished the coursework in just over 4 years (I didn't do summer classes,) and then took another year to wrap up my thesis. As long as you can keep pushing through it it's not so bad.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19480.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7593ke","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers who started their careers and then went back to complete their masters, how did you do it? Im currently a systems engineer (mechanical background) at a nuclear plant, Im thinking of going back to school to complete my masters in engineering. Those of you who started careers then went back to school (either full time or part time), how did you go about doing this? What were some of the challenges you faced, hurdles you did not forsee? Also, how did you pay for it? Just looking for some pros and cons. I graduated in 2015 with a bachelors.","c_root_id_A":"do5nje4","c_root_id_B":"do56nca","created_at_utc_A":1507610189,"created_at_utc_B":1507590144,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I graduated in 2011 with a BSME, and worked for a few years in energy efficiency consulting while knowing that I eventually wanted to go back and get a grad degree. Before my annual performance review in 2014, I mentioned to my boss that I was thinking about going back to school and doing a PhD, so I wanted to go through the review with the purpose of basically planning a long, slow exit from the company. To my astonishment, during there actual review, my boss's boss suggested that I consider completing a master's, and that if I did, maybe we could work something out despite the company not having a formal education benefit. I ended up completing my masters degree full time while working 3\/4 time during the school year and full time over breaks. I managed to stack my schedule so I had classes two days a week and worked ten hour days on the other three. I basically had no social life other than hanging out with my family. We also had a baby at the end of my first semester, which added further complications. It was an incredible amount of work and the lack of sleep probably shortened my life somewhat, but it feels good to be done! FWIW, I felt so goddamn efficient during grad school. Having some real world experience made a huge difference in my ability to handle the work load.","human_ref_B":"One way to do it is to get a job at a university. I went to work for an R&D lab that's part of a university, so I was a university employee and got a tuition discount as a result. I was able to leave during the day to go to class and stay late to make up the time. With the discount, classes were cheap enough that I paid for them myself. My management was very supportive, but it does take a while if you're doing it part time. That and between work and classes you'd work 9-10 hours a day and then have to work on homework or projects after hours. I finished the coursework in just over 4 years (I didn't do summer classes,) and then took another year to wrap up my thesis. As long as you can keep pushing through it it's not so bad.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20045.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7593ke","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers who started their careers and then went back to complete their masters, how did you do it? Im currently a systems engineer (mechanical background) at a nuclear plant, Im thinking of going back to school to complete my masters in engineering. Those of you who started careers then went back to school (either full time or part time), how did you go about doing this? What were some of the challenges you faced, hurdles you did not forsee? Also, how did you pay for it? Just looking for some pros and cons. I graduated in 2015 with a bachelors.","c_root_id_A":"do4colo","c_root_id_B":"do5n60e","created_at_utc_A":1507557933,"created_at_utc_B":1507609624,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"one of my coworkers just applied online with his GPA and GRE and got in. https:\/\/cvn.columbia.edu\/program\/columbia-university-mechanical-engineering-masters-degree-masters-science company pays for it since hes in rotation program (they dont have continuing edu budget limits) pros - masters from columbia, one of the top online engineering schools. cons - takes a lot of time (2-3 years part time or 1-2 years if youre really good), and you have to keep working full time i wouldnt leave work to do this, unless you can afford it.","human_ref_B":"I quit my job and studied full time. I went to work (ME) after getting by BEng for 3.5 years. After the first year, the excitement had kind of worn off and I couldn't see myself there long term. When I got frustrated with my job and couldn't see other opportunities, I decided on going back and getting a masters to do what I wanted. I spoke with tons of people who had been doing masters+work or distance learning, but I wanted to do research and that isn't really compatible with a 9-5 job. I ended up deciding that if I was going to do it, it had to be full time, so I left my company (I got a damn good offer to stay) and became a full time graduate student. I found part-time students took double the amount of time to finish and often didn't since work is always the priority. I got a scholarship, so that helped to pay for tuition and I worked as a TA during the time I was there. Anything else I needed I could supplement with my savings, but something to keep in mind was that student life (roommates, walk to school, etc.) is waaay cheaper, so I didn't end up burning through all my savings. The challenges I faced were getting back into study mode while doing courses and remembering all the technical courses from BEng that others had completed the previous semester but had been four years ago for me (I cracked open my calculus book so often...). I made sure to introduce myself to my professors right away and explain my situation. They were more than happy for me to come to office hours and pick their brain, get extra help or just to chat about their work. Another challenge was that I had no network of friends or peers at the beginning. But this is the same if you transfer to another school for graduate studies, so it's not a big deal. Pros for me: Got to know my professors well since I saw them as colleagues. Had a good work ethic from my job, so worked hard, but knew when to take a break and relax. Got some good connections to industry that I would never have gotten by working on different projects. The full time work experience you have when you get out is super valuable and gets you noticed by recruiters. Ended up getting a fantastic job I really like that would not have been open to me with just a BEng. So much vacation possible. The academic environment is amazing and the people fantastic. Cons: the job market afterwards still sucks and finding a job isn't easy whether you have a masters or not (or PhD for that matter). Massive pay cut for several years while working on it. Change in lifestyle (both good and bad). I saw all my friends making huge strides in life (getting married, houses, etc) with all their money while I was stuck being a 'student' again. Ultimately, it paid off for me, and doing it full time was how I wanted to do it. I would suggest doing it only if you need it as a tool to achieve something you really want to do. It's a big commitment (time and otherwise), and it's definitely possible to get a great job and advance without one because (although I see lots of graduate degrees in the nuclear field).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":51691.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7593ke","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers who started their careers and then went back to complete their masters, how did you do it? Im currently a systems engineer (mechanical background) at a nuclear plant, Im thinking of going back to school to complete my masters in engineering. Those of you who started careers then went back to school (either full time or part time), how did you go about doing this? What were some of the challenges you faced, hurdles you did not forsee? Also, how did you pay for it? Just looking for some pros and cons. I graduated in 2015 with a bachelors.","c_root_id_A":"do4colo","c_root_id_B":"do5nje4","created_at_utc_A":1507557933,"created_at_utc_B":1507610189,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"one of my coworkers just applied online with his GPA and GRE and got in. https:\/\/cvn.columbia.edu\/program\/columbia-university-mechanical-engineering-masters-degree-masters-science company pays for it since hes in rotation program (they dont have continuing edu budget limits) pros - masters from columbia, one of the top online engineering schools. cons - takes a lot of time (2-3 years part time or 1-2 years if youre really good), and you have to keep working full time i wouldnt leave work to do this, unless you can afford it.","human_ref_B":"I graduated in 2011 with a BSME, and worked for a few years in energy efficiency consulting while knowing that I eventually wanted to go back and get a grad degree. Before my annual performance review in 2014, I mentioned to my boss that I was thinking about going back to school and doing a PhD, so I wanted to go through the review with the purpose of basically planning a long, slow exit from the company. To my astonishment, during there actual review, my boss's boss suggested that I consider completing a master's, and that if I did, maybe we could work something out despite the company not having a formal education benefit. I ended up completing my masters degree full time while working 3\/4 time during the school year and full time over breaks. I managed to stack my schedule so I had classes two days a week and worked ten hour days on the other three. I basically had no social life other than hanging out with my family. We also had a baby at the end of my first semester, which added further complications. It was an incredible amount of work and the lack of sleep probably shortened my life somewhat, but it feels good to be done! FWIW, I felt so goddamn efficient during grad school. Having some real world experience made a huge difference in my ability to handle the work load.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":52256.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"goil07","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"do engineers still use their math problem solving skills in their actual job? Hi im a 2nd yr mechanical engineering student, im just anxious and im not that confident about my math skills. in my first year of schooling, i didnt have failing grades so far and I actually learned how to solve math probs (barely), but still passed. but im pretty sure to myself that i will just end up forgetting some of it which makes me anxious especially theres a board exam soon and maybe in the job the math skills is still needed? And which is harder? studying to become engineering or the actual engineering job?","c_root_id_A":"frg4btx","c_root_id_B":"frgfvbt","created_at_utc_A":1590155035,"created_at_utc_B":1590161310,"score_A":7,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"I have a BSME, although I work as a Tech Rep for a custom mobile equipment manufacturer and don\u2019t do any actual engineering work. But I do work closely with our engineering teams. We simply have no need for doing math by hand other than some basic algebra from time to time. Most calculations are done in excel and anything excel can\u2019t handle is done by specialized software. 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I'm still relatively new at my job (< 4 years) and as many others have said a lot of software will do the heavy stuff for you. But what will separate your skill from the rest is you really do have to understand the output and if it makes sense. I do end up doing some hand calcs for some MRB stuff, and my more experienced coworkers do much more complex hand calcs related to airframe structures. Chasing down the load, identifying the critical components and stresses etc If you go into academia or R&D you'll most likely need to recall all your math skills. Otherwise, it really depends on the career you choose (design vs manufacturing vs structures\/stress), college really gives you the tools for being able to solve a complex problem. In the real world you don't have to take a test and rely on your mind alone teamwork and communication is key. This might be silly but the most important skill you need to carry with you imo is problem solving in general, do I have enough data to solve this? 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Then looking at other companies and job listings and realizing that I was way overworked and way underpaid","human_ref_B":"Got tired of executing someone else\u2019s bad decisions and went somewhere where I could make my own.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11501.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"e3cuul","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What are some important fields to take note in for a career path in engineering? I'm starting to be more aware of my future career of electrical engineering and I had some queries about what subjects in school I should focus on and pay prime attention to. I have a general idea but I need the people of r\/AskEngineers to give me a professional opinion.","c_root_id_A":"f92ivrj","c_root_id_B":"f92it1y","created_at_utc_A":1575033030,"created_at_utc_B":1575032941,"score_A":61,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"Power. But not transmission and distribution. There is a huge need for power engineers who work on distribution in plant.","human_ref_B":"Do you have any ideas on what you would like to do when you graduate? That can significantly affect the answer. You don't have to have a very specific answer, it can be a particular industry, or even what you want to do on a daily basis. For example, maybe you want to work with your hands, or maybe you want to do lots of math, maybe you want to be involved in scientific research, or you want to make lots of money. Those priorities can shape your entire career.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":89.0,"score_ratio":2.652173913} +{"post_id":"e3cuul","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What are some important fields to take note in for a career path in engineering? I'm starting to be more aware of my future career of electrical engineering and I had some queries about what subjects in school I should focus on and pay prime attention to. I have a general idea but I need the people of r\/AskEngineers to give me a professional opinion.","c_root_id_A":"f92k3um","c_root_id_B":"f92iwwe","created_at_utc_A":1575034412,"created_at_utc_B":1575033066,"score_A":18,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Agricultural. Greater populations and with expanding cities less available land means better equipment, methods and efficiency is needed.","human_ref_B":"Renewable energies, solar and wind in particular.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1346.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"e3cuul","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What are some important fields to take note in for a career path in engineering? I'm starting to be more aware of my future career of electrical engineering and I had some queries about what subjects in school I should focus on and pay prime attention to. I have a general idea but I need the people of r\/AskEngineers to give me a professional opinion.","c_root_id_A":"f92ogwq","c_root_id_B":"f92uwvu","created_at_utc_A":1575038128,"created_at_utc_B":1575042444,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Semiconductors. With the surge in AI companies are planning and designing with those systems in mind. From the chip itself to the programming","human_ref_B":"Automation, plc-networks, scada, data aquisition.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4316.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"e3cuul","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What are some important fields to take note in for a career path in engineering? I'm starting to be more aware of my future career of electrical engineering and I had some queries about what subjects in school I should focus on and pay prime attention to. I have a general idea but I need the people of r\/AskEngineers to give me a professional opinion.","c_root_id_A":"f92veyx","c_root_id_B":"f92wccv","created_at_utc_A":1575042839,"created_at_utc_B":1575043562,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Geotechnical, it\u2019s fairly stress free compared to other engineering paths, it\u2019s always needed and becoming more and more prominent. Pays well too.","human_ref_B":"Absolutely programming. Even if it\u2019s just basics like if statements, while loops, etc. In just about any engineering job you get, it can be applied somehow. Whether it\u2019s required, or you just use it as a tool to help you on a project. Pick up something widely used and easier to understand like Python. Grab a raspberry pi off amazon and just start playing around with it. I\u2019ve worked full time at two different jobs so far since I graduated and both have not required programming, but programming has been pretty useful. It won\u2019t go unnoticed either. At my current company, I\u2019ve had the head of the electrical department pull me into his office a few times to very happily talk to me about my Python and Dynamo usage. Neither are required for my position, they are just kind of little projects of mine to help work flow of my department. Edit: I missed the EE portion of your comment. I was giving a mechanical perspective. Electrical I\u2019m sure programming is more of a hard requirement.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":723.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"el2fe8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"I graduated with an MS degree in Aerospace Engineering last month. Struggling to find a job. Looking for advice. I have gotten interviews over the last 6 months. I got 8 phone interviews from Lockheed and 2 in person interviews from Lockheed. 2 phone interviews from Raytheon. 2 phone interviews from NASA and 1 skype interview from NASA. But I bombed each interview. I did get my Bachelor's degree in Mechanical Engineering should look for jobs outside the Aerospace industry? Or should I keep trying?","c_root_id_A":"fdfclgs","c_root_id_B":"fdfcf98","created_at_utc_A":1578358521,"created_at_utc_B":1578358402,"score_A":61,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"If you bomb the interviews, work on that skill. Of you are pulling in quality leads, keep at it they obviously like something on your resume.","human_ref_B":"Keep at it and keep busy so as to fill in any blanks in employment - try volunteering with a local engineering institution perhaps, tutoring or something. At the interview, you are never desperate to find work; instead, you have taken some time to volunteer before diving into a long-term career. Sounds much better.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":119.0,"score_ratio":3.2105263158} +{"post_id":"el2fe8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"I graduated with an MS degree in Aerospace Engineering last month. Struggling to find a job. Looking for advice. I have gotten interviews over the last 6 months. I got 8 phone interviews from Lockheed and 2 in person interviews from Lockheed. 2 phone interviews from Raytheon. 2 phone interviews from NASA and 1 skype interview from NASA. But I bombed each interview. I did get my Bachelor's degree in Mechanical Engineering should look for jobs outside the Aerospace industry? Or should I keep trying?","c_root_id_A":"fdfod5k","c_root_id_B":"fdfqqil","created_at_utc_A":1578366349,"created_at_utc_B":1578367917,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Same advice I gave a guy yesterday. DoD is hiring. Start with the Navy. They operate engineering like a business and hire to need. Army, Air Force, NASA funds their engineering work the way the rest of the government works - by specific personnel numbers handed down via congress..","human_ref_B":"Honestly, I would reach out to the people you interviewed with and see if they're willing to give you feedback. Keep trying. Do you have experience, or did you go straight from a undergrad to grad school? I see a TON of hiring right now in defense (aerospace specifically), but a lot of it is for people with some time in the industry under their belt to act in a SETA role. But I did see some entry level EE jobs in our weekly hiring actions e-mail from HR this morning. There are a ton of contracts right now as we try and modernize our warfighting systems to keep pace with russia\/china. I know a lot of the sub-contractors within our projects are hiring also.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1568.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"rnkhfa","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"For a first job out of college as a mech eng, does it particularly matter which industry it\u2019s in? Hey guys. I\u2019ve been offered a role as a mech design engineer in building services at a large consulting firm. Due to covid and everything I\u2019ve struggled to find anything at all since graduating even though I have a good degree. I want to go in to mechanical design. I really like fluid dynamics and thermo etc. But. I don\u2019t think I want to stay in the construction industry for my entire career. I\u2019m seeing this as a good way to gain industry experience in engineering and specifically mechanical design, then transition later on. Is this a good idea? I see some people saying first job defines your entire career and others saying just get into an engineering job that\u2019s at least vaguely related. They\u2019re quite a prestigious firm so that would help too. I think I\u2019d enjoy the job. Just not what I want to do for my entire career. Any advice on this? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hpsz9wp","c_root_id_B":"hptodbn","created_at_utc_A":1640351516,"created_at_utc_B":1640364454,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Where do you want to be in 10 years? The last thing you want to do is put yourself in a pigeon hole. For me I wanted to get into a specific field involving heavy machinery. So what I did is start with a company as a design engineer in machinery. I had to jump a few times until I finally landed a job in the field I am most passionate about. When I stay in this industry for 5 years or so it will be nearly impossible for me to enter the semiconductor, medical, computer, etc. fields.","human_ref_B":"I don't think it matters as much as how you'd sell yourself in your resume later on. I worked in Automotive for 4 years as a Quality Engineer. Now I work as Mechanical Engineer in the defense industry. My resume had a lot of cost saving initiative at my previous employers so I was able to land interviews because of that.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12938.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"rqeprk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the best country to work in as an engineer I am 22, I live in Tunisia, and the next year I will have my engineering degree (general engineering). I m wondering what is the best country to work in as an engineer in terms of salary, life conditions and opportunities.","c_root_id_A":"hq9y4rk","c_root_id_B":"hq9qlnl","created_at_utc_A":1640699008,"created_at_utc_B":1640694414,"score_A":114,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"For the best work\/life balance, anywhere in the EU is probably your best choice. For pay, it is likely the US. General Engineering is generally a 2-year degree right? If that's the case, you will probably qualify for technician-level work, which is going to make it a lot more difficult to get a company to sponsor your visa. I would recommend looking into studying for a more traditional engineering degree in one of the countries you're considering moving to. School is usually the easiest way to get into a new country anyway.","human_ref_B":"General Engineering?!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4594.0,"score_ratio":19.0} +{"post_id":"rqeprk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the best country to work in as an engineer I am 22, I live in Tunisia, and the next year I will have my engineering degree (general engineering). I m wondering what is the best country to work in as an engineer in terms of salary, life conditions and opportunities.","c_root_id_A":"hq9y4rk","c_root_id_B":"hq9x2dy","created_at_utc_A":1640699008,"created_at_utc_B":1640698421,"score_A":114,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"For the best work\/life balance, anywhere in the EU is probably your best choice. For pay, it is likely the US. General Engineering is generally a 2-year degree right? If that's the case, you will probably qualify for technician-level work, which is going to make it a lot more difficult to get a company to sponsor your visa. I would recommend looking into studying for a more traditional engineering degree in one of the countries you're considering moving to. School is usually the easiest way to get into a new country anyway.","human_ref_B":"What is general engineering ?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":587.0,"score_ratio":22.8} +{"post_id":"rqeprk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the best country to work in as an engineer I am 22, I live in Tunisia, and the next year I will have my engineering degree (general engineering). I m wondering what is the best country to work in as an engineer in terms of salary, life conditions and opportunities.","c_root_id_A":"hqan304","c_root_id_B":"hqag9f7","created_at_utc_A":1640710138,"created_at_utc_B":1640707377,"score_A":22,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"As a us citizen. I was very happy in germany. The work life balance was incredible and my salary was great for the EU. I was saving half my salary and still traveling around the EU on the weekends. You do need German though, so get that knocked out. I was a little depressed when I didn't travel because the people are much more stoic than i am used to, nevertheless they are still very friendly. If I didn't have the opportunity to travel a lot, i would have hated it, but my schedule still allowed me so mich free time that it made up for the dry work week. The usa was horrible for me with the lack of time off, but the pay was amazing, I just couldn't spend any of my money because I was working too much. I prefer Germany for this reason.","human_ref_B":"The United States. With a 4 year ABET accredited degree or enough work experience as a technician you can normally expect to make more money here than other countries. Our work life balance truly depends on the company and climate. So for example Money: As an mechanical engineering intern for a automotive company I made more money than a mechanical engineer in the UK working for a major Aerospace Company. Most of the offers I have received nearing graduation have been 2.0x to 3.0x the average income in the United States. My German and Brazilian counterparts at this same internship made only a third of what I made for some reason. Their countries don't pay their engineers as well. Worklife Balance and Benefits: it all depends on where you want to work and the industry. Aerospace and Automotive can be or is nuts, my friends at Boeing and Space X respectively work 60+ hours a week. My other friends that took consulting out of college work sometimes 40 and sometimes 80. My smaller company friends and tours I've been on with local manufacturers easily work 40 constently. The only downside in the US is our Healthcare system is fucked but most places are going to cover your Healthcare, Dental etc. But it's really up to you to cover your own retirement and that's where it can be tricky.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2761.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714} +{"post_id":"rqeprk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the best country to work in as an engineer I am 22, I live in Tunisia, and the next year I will have my engineering degree (general engineering). I m wondering what is the best country to work in as an engineer in terms of salary, life conditions and opportunities.","c_root_id_A":"hqan304","c_root_id_B":"hq9qlnl","created_at_utc_A":1640710138,"created_at_utc_B":1640694414,"score_A":22,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"As a us citizen. I was very happy in germany. The work life balance was incredible and my salary was great for the EU. I was saving half my salary and still traveling around the EU on the weekends. You do need German though, so get that knocked out. I was a little depressed when I didn't travel because the people are much more stoic than i am used to, nevertheless they are still very friendly. If I didn't have the opportunity to travel a lot, i would have hated it, but my schedule still allowed me so mich free time that it made up for the dry work week. The usa was horrible for me with the lack of time off, but the pay was amazing, I just couldn't spend any of my money because I was working too much. I prefer Germany for this reason.","human_ref_B":"General Engineering?!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15724.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} +{"post_id":"rqeprk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the best country to work in as an engineer I am 22, I live in Tunisia, and the next year I will have my engineering degree (general engineering). I m wondering what is the best country to work in as an engineer in terms of salary, life conditions and opportunities.","c_root_id_A":"hq9x2dy","c_root_id_B":"hqan304","created_at_utc_A":1640698421,"created_at_utc_B":1640710138,"score_A":5,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"What is general engineering ?","human_ref_B":"As a us citizen. I was very happy in germany. The work life balance was incredible and my salary was great for the EU. I was saving half my salary and still traveling around the EU on the weekends. You do need German though, so get that knocked out. I was a little depressed when I didn't travel because the people are much more stoic than i am used to, nevertheless they are still very friendly. If I didn't have the opportunity to travel a lot, i would have hated it, but my schedule still allowed me so mich free time that it made up for the dry work week. The usa was horrible for me with the lack of time off, but the pay was amazing, I just couldn't spend any of my money because I was working too much. I prefer Germany for this reason.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11717.0,"score_ratio":4.4} +{"post_id":"rqeprk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the best country to work in as an engineer I am 22, I live in Tunisia, and the next year I will have my engineering degree (general engineering). I m wondering what is the best country to work in as an engineer in terms of salary, life conditions and opportunities.","c_root_id_A":"hqag9f7","c_root_id_B":"hqapa7b","created_at_utc_A":1640707377,"created_at_utc_B":1640711005,"score_A":14,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"The United States. With a 4 year ABET accredited degree or enough work experience as a technician you can normally expect to make more money here than other countries. Our work life balance truly depends on the company and climate. So for example Money: As an mechanical engineering intern for a automotive company I made more money than a mechanical engineer in the UK working for a major Aerospace Company. Most of the offers I have received nearing graduation have been 2.0x to 3.0x the average income in the United States. My German and Brazilian counterparts at this same internship made only a third of what I made for some reason. Their countries don't pay their engineers as well. Worklife Balance and Benefits: it all depends on where you want to work and the industry. Aerospace and Automotive can be or is nuts, my friends at Boeing and Space X respectively work 60+ hours a week. My other friends that took consulting out of college work sometimes 40 and sometimes 80. My smaller company friends and tours I've been on with local manufacturers easily work 40 constently. The only downside in the US is our Healthcare system is fucked but most places are going to cover your Healthcare, Dental etc. But it's really up to you to cover your own retirement and that's where it can be tricky.","human_ref_B":"I'm in the US in a robotics\/autonomous industry. ​ The last few years have been somewhat crazy but my overall compensation has gone up something like 50% since end of 2019. We have 16 week paid parental leave, a variety of health care plans (I use the Health Savings Account high deductible plan but my company chips in and I get another great retirement savings vehicle...thankfully my wife and I are both very healthy). ​ We have a stipend per month we can spend on health clubs\/fitness classes. Transit is fully subsidized. Company matches a very large amount for 401k\/retirement (and even contributes some if we don't ourselves). We get RSUs and stock options, annual bonus, and engineers are eligible for raises every six months. ​ It's pretty great to be an engineer in the US these days. Unlimited paid time off (I took 3.5 weeks off for my wedding\/honeymoon and now we have a full holiday shutdown on top of it) and extremely generous\/flexible work from home policy. ​ I hear my counterparts in the EU at a similar level of experience make less than half what I do. I'm sure the job security is nice, health care is great...but honestly I have so much more upside here in the USA. I'm a go-getter and love taking on new responsibility but honestly after 5pm I've shut everything off and I don't keep working most days, and I can count the weekends I've worked this year on one hand (one of those was me volunteering at a local outreach event for school children). ​ I'm not even doing as great as some. If you were hired in early\/mid 2021? You were getting a six figure sign-on bonus and jumped up at least once salary grade, probably two. People are making bank right now in certain industries.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3628.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} +{"post_id":"rqeprk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the best country to work in as an engineer I am 22, I live in Tunisia, and the next year I will have my engineering degree (general engineering). I m wondering what is the best country to work in as an engineer in terms of salary, life conditions and opportunities.","c_root_id_A":"hqapa7b","c_root_id_B":"hq9qlnl","created_at_utc_A":1640711005,"created_at_utc_B":1640694414,"score_A":16,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I'm in the US in a robotics\/autonomous industry. ​ The last few years have been somewhat crazy but my overall compensation has gone up something like 50% since end of 2019. We have 16 week paid parental leave, a variety of health care plans (I use the Health Savings Account high deductible plan but my company chips in and I get another great retirement savings vehicle...thankfully my wife and I are both very healthy). ​ We have a stipend per month we can spend on health clubs\/fitness classes. Transit is fully subsidized. Company matches a very large amount for 401k\/retirement (and even contributes some if we don't ourselves). We get RSUs and stock options, annual bonus, and engineers are eligible for raises every six months. ​ It's pretty great to be an engineer in the US these days. Unlimited paid time off (I took 3.5 weeks off for my wedding\/honeymoon and now we have a full holiday shutdown on top of it) and extremely generous\/flexible work from home policy. ​ I hear my counterparts in the EU at a similar level of experience make less than half what I do. I'm sure the job security is nice, health care is great...but honestly I have so much more upside here in the USA. I'm a go-getter and love taking on new responsibility but honestly after 5pm I've shut everything off and I don't keep working most days, and I can count the weekends I've worked this year on one hand (one of those was me volunteering at a local outreach event for school children). ​ I'm not even doing as great as some. If you were hired in early\/mid 2021? You were getting a six figure sign-on bonus and jumped up at least once salary grade, probably two. People are making bank right now in certain industries.","human_ref_B":"General Engineering?!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16591.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667} +{"post_id":"rqeprk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the best country to work in as an engineer I am 22, I live in Tunisia, and the next year I will have my engineering degree (general engineering). I m wondering what is the best country to work in as an engineer in terms of salary, life conditions and opportunities.","c_root_id_A":"hqapa7b","c_root_id_B":"hq9x2dy","created_at_utc_A":1640711005,"created_at_utc_B":1640698421,"score_A":16,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I'm in the US in a robotics\/autonomous industry. ​ The last few years have been somewhat crazy but my overall compensation has gone up something like 50% since end of 2019. We have 16 week paid parental leave, a variety of health care plans (I use the Health Savings Account high deductible plan but my company chips in and I get another great retirement savings vehicle...thankfully my wife and I are both very healthy). ​ We have a stipend per month we can spend on health clubs\/fitness classes. Transit is fully subsidized. Company matches a very large amount for 401k\/retirement (and even contributes some if we don't ourselves). We get RSUs and stock options, annual bonus, and engineers are eligible for raises every six months. ​ It's pretty great to be an engineer in the US these days. Unlimited paid time off (I took 3.5 weeks off for my wedding\/honeymoon and now we have a full holiday shutdown on top of it) and extremely generous\/flexible work from home policy. ​ I hear my counterparts in the EU at a similar level of experience make less than half what I do. I'm sure the job security is nice, health care is great...but honestly I have so much more upside here in the USA. I'm a go-getter and love taking on new responsibility but honestly after 5pm I've shut everything off and I don't keep working most days, and I can count the weekends I've worked this year on one hand (one of those was me volunteering at a local outreach event for school children). ​ I'm not even doing as great as some. If you were hired in early\/mid 2021? You were getting a six figure sign-on bonus and jumped up at least once salary grade, probably two. People are making bank right now in certain industries.","human_ref_B":"What is general engineering ?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12584.0,"score_ratio":3.2} +{"post_id":"rqeprk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the best country to work in as an engineer I am 22, I live in Tunisia, and the next year I will have my engineering degree (general engineering). I m wondering what is the best country to work in as an engineer in terms of salary, life conditions and opportunities.","c_root_id_A":"hqag9f7","c_root_id_B":"hq9qlnl","created_at_utc_A":1640707377,"created_at_utc_B":1640694414,"score_A":14,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"The United States. With a 4 year ABET accredited degree or enough work experience as a technician you can normally expect to make more money here than other countries. Our work life balance truly depends on the company and climate. So for example Money: As an mechanical engineering intern for a automotive company I made more money than a mechanical engineer in the UK working for a major Aerospace Company. Most of the offers I have received nearing graduation have been 2.0x to 3.0x the average income in the United States. My German and Brazilian counterparts at this same internship made only a third of what I made for some reason. Their countries don't pay their engineers as well. Worklife Balance and Benefits: it all depends on where you want to work and the industry. Aerospace and Automotive can be or is nuts, my friends at Boeing and Space X respectively work 60+ hours a week. My other friends that took consulting out of college work sometimes 40 and sometimes 80. My smaller company friends and tours I've been on with local manufacturers easily work 40 constently. The only downside in the US is our Healthcare system is fucked but most places are going to cover your Healthcare, Dental etc. But it's really up to you to cover your own retirement and that's where it can be tricky.","human_ref_B":"General Engineering?!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12963.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"rqeprk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the best country to work in as an engineer I am 22, I live in Tunisia, and the next year I will have my engineering degree (general engineering). I m wondering what is the best country to work in as an engineer in terms of salary, life conditions and opportunities.","c_root_id_A":"hqag9f7","c_root_id_B":"hq9x2dy","created_at_utc_A":1640707377,"created_at_utc_B":1640698421,"score_A":14,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"The United States. With a 4 year ABET accredited degree or enough work experience as a technician you can normally expect to make more money here than other countries. Our work life balance truly depends on the company and climate. So for example Money: As an mechanical engineering intern for a automotive company I made more money than a mechanical engineer in the UK working for a major Aerospace Company. Most of the offers I have received nearing graduation have been 2.0x to 3.0x the average income in the United States. My German and Brazilian counterparts at this same internship made only a third of what I made for some reason. Their countries don't pay their engineers as well. Worklife Balance and Benefits: it all depends on where you want to work and the industry. Aerospace and Automotive can be or is nuts, my friends at Boeing and Space X respectively work 60+ hours a week. My other friends that took consulting out of college work sometimes 40 and sometimes 80. My smaller company friends and tours I've been on with local manufacturers easily work 40 constently. The only downside in the US is our Healthcare system is fucked but most places are going to cover your Healthcare, Dental etc. But it's really up to you to cover your own retirement and that's where it can be tricky.","human_ref_B":"What is general engineering ?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8956.0,"score_ratio":2.8} +{"post_id":"rqeprk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the best country to work in as an engineer I am 22, I live in Tunisia, and the next year I will have my engineering degree (general engineering). I m wondering what is the best country to work in as an engineer in terms of salary, life conditions and opportunities.","c_root_id_A":"hqcegiy","c_root_id_B":"hq9qlnl","created_at_utc_A":1640735946,"created_at_utc_B":1640694414,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Belgium seems to always be trying to recruit for engineers. You've got French on your side. It's close to Germany if you are curious to learn it or move there, plus in Schengen. And it's not France. Win win win. Also as a young guy trying to start a new life having some fellow north africans around might help you not go crazy living abroad.","human_ref_B":"General Engineering?!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":41532.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"rqeprk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the best country to work in as an engineer I am 22, I live in Tunisia, and the next year I will have my engineering degree (general engineering). I m wondering what is the best country to work in as an engineer in terms of salary, life conditions and opportunities.","c_root_id_A":"hq9x2dy","c_root_id_B":"hqcegiy","created_at_utc_A":1640698421,"created_at_utc_B":1640735946,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"What is general engineering ?","human_ref_B":"Belgium seems to always be trying to recruit for engineers. You've got French on your side. It's close to Germany if you are curious to learn it or move there, plus in Schengen. And it's not France. Win win win. Also as a young guy trying to start a new life having some fellow north africans around might help you not go crazy living abroad.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":37525.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"rqeprk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the best country to work in as an engineer I am 22, I live in Tunisia, and the next year I will have my engineering degree (general engineering). I m wondering what is the best country to work in as an engineer in terms of salary, life conditions and opportunities.","c_root_id_A":"hqcaurz","c_root_id_B":"hqcegiy","created_at_utc_A":1640734382,"created_at_utc_B":1640735946,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"as a starting field engineer I make $5600 a month with full benefits but the company I work for is on the higher end of pay (in the US) edit: take home is 4400 a month in a state with no extra taxes","human_ref_B":"Belgium seems to always be trying to recruit for engineers. You've got French on your side. It's close to Germany if you are curious to learn it or move there, plus in Schengen. And it's not France. Win win win. Also as a young guy trying to start a new life having some fellow north africans around might help you not go crazy living abroad.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1564.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"hd3v36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I am a third year electrical engineering student researching electric vehicle Powertrains. I would like some material on how companies like Tesla, Toyota and other players actually design Powertrains. Can I get any good websites from where I can get sufficient knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"fvj41bs","c_root_id_B":"fvjfbwh","created_at_utc_A":1592739900,"created_at_utc_B":1592748799,"score_A":2,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Just wanted to add, there are hybrid heavy equipment as well (944K John Deere wheel loader).","human_ref_B":"SAE has some good books online, before you buy them see if you can get them free through your schools library onljne.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8899.0,"score_ratio":5.5} +{"post_id":"hd3v36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I am a third year electrical engineering student researching electric vehicle Powertrains. I would like some material on how companies like Tesla, Toyota and other players actually design Powertrains. Can I get any good websites from where I can get sufficient knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"fvjrgwl","c_root_id_B":"fvj41bs","created_at_utc_A":1592756078,"created_at_utc_B":1592739900,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"google search of: site:ornl.gov prius turns up a bunch of tear down evaluations by the national lab","human_ref_B":"Just wanted to add, there are hybrid heavy equipment as well (944K John Deere wheel loader).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16178.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"8aas1s","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Do any other city subway escalators use non-standard parts? (besides Chicago's subway) Is this a reasonable practice? When Chicago's subway escalators break down, they often have a very long lead time before they're back in service. The official explanation is: > The kinds of escalators and elevators in use on transit are custom-made, because they need to be specially designed and built for the unique (and sometimes extremely confined) spaces where they're installed. > > The range of weather we experience in Chicago can put extra stresses on these machines, too. Our escalators and elevators have to stand up to extreme cold and heat, wet conditions (including salty, gritty winter slush!), and do so under extremely heavy traffic. > > Unlike escalators in stores and office buildings, which are generally used only during opening hours and can be in temperature controlled environments, our escalators run 24\/7 and carry a lot more people\u2014often thousands of people an hour, adding up to millions of passengers a year for. Are other city subway escalators custom-made as well? Does this seem like a reasonable practice, given the cost to taxpayers and the long lead times for repair? (Refer to this ongoing thread in \\r\\Chicago. One poster is skeptical, suggesting that the custom parts are really used because of cronyism.)","c_root_id_A":"dwxf7zh","c_root_id_B":"dwxik73","created_at_utc_A":1523040473,"created_at_utc_B":1523043509,"score_A":5,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Someone should ask Toronto what they use... similar conditions in both cities. It\u2019s not impossible that Chicago needs some special pieces though. It sounds like this is more of a spares stocking issue than anything else.","human_ref_B":"A big part is when the escalators were originally built. I'm guessing most escalator companies have pretty standard designs for different applications, but that wasn't the case 60-80 years ago.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3036.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"8aas1s","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Do any other city subway escalators use non-standard parts? (besides Chicago's subway) Is this a reasonable practice? When Chicago's subway escalators break down, they often have a very long lead time before they're back in service. The official explanation is: > The kinds of escalators and elevators in use on transit are custom-made, because they need to be specially designed and built for the unique (and sometimes extremely confined) spaces where they're installed. > > The range of weather we experience in Chicago can put extra stresses on these machines, too. Our escalators and elevators have to stand up to extreme cold and heat, wet conditions (including salty, gritty winter slush!), and do so under extremely heavy traffic. > > Unlike escalators in stores and office buildings, which are generally used only during opening hours and can be in temperature controlled environments, our escalators run 24\/7 and carry a lot more people\u2014often thousands of people an hour, adding up to millions of passengers a year for. Are other city subway escalators custom-made as well? Does this seem like a reasonable practice, given the cost to taxpayers and the long lead times for repair? (Refer to this ongoing thread in \\r\\Chicago. One poster is skeptical, suggesting that the custom parts are really used because of cronyism.)","c_root_id_A":"dwxgl45","c_root_id_B":"dwxik73","created_at_utc_A":1523041695,"created_at_utc_B":1523043509,"score_A":6,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I work for the second largest hospital in my state...(we\u2019re busy) and we use Otis elevators which are pretty standard. Sometimes they are down for several weeks... Don\u2019t know what the deal is but every Otis tech I\u2019ve met is either a jerk, idiot or hybrid of the two.","human_ref_B":"A big part is when the escalators were originally built. I'm guessing most escalator companies have pretty standard designs for different applications, but that wasn't the case 60-80 years ago.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1814.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"8aas1s","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Do any other city subway escalators use non-standard parts? (besides Chicago's subway) Is this a reasonable practice? When Chicago's subway escalators break down, they often have a very long lead time before they're back in service. The official explanation is: > The kinds of escalators and elevators in use on transit are custom-made, because they need to be specially designed and built for the unique (and sometimes extremely confined) spaces where they're installed. > > The range of weather we experience in Chicago can put extra stresses on these machines, too. Our escalators and elevators have to stand up to extreme cold and heat, wet conditions (including salty, gritty winter slush!), and do so under extremely heavy traffic. > > Unlike escalators in stores and office buildings, which are generally used only during opening hours and can be in temperature controlled environments, our escalators run 24\/7 and carry a lot more people\u2014often thousands of people an hour, adding up to millions of passengers a year for. Are other city subway escalators custom-made as well? Does this seem like a reasonable practice, given the cost to taxpayers and the long lead times for repair? (Refer to this ongoing thread in \\r\\Chicago. One poster is skeptical, suggesting that the custom parts are really used because of cronyism.)","c_root_id_A":"dwxgl45","c_root_id_B":"dwxf7zh","created_at_utc_A":1523041695,"created_at_utc_B":1523040473,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I work for the second largest hospital in my state...(we\u2019re busy) and we use Otis elevators which are pretty standard. Sometimes they are down for several weeks... Don\u2019t know what the deal is but every Otis tech I\u2019ve met is either a jerk, idiot or hybrid of the two.","human_ref_B":"Someone should ask Toronto what they use... similar conditions in both cities. It\u2019s not impossible that Chicago needs some special pieces though. It sounds like this is more of a spares stocking issue than anything else.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1222.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix1zraj","c_root_id_B":"ix1yma6","created_at_utc_A":1668913823,"created_at_utc_B":1668913236,"score_A":55,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"Man the whole degree is difficult. The material doesn't get any easier but you get better at solving problems.","human_ref_B":"Depends on how smart you are. Some geniuses half-ass it. Some dumbasses work hard. I was medium smart and worked medium hard.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":587.0,"score_ratio":1.7741935484} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix1zraj","c_root_id_B":"ix1xs4j","created_at_utc_A":1668913823,"created_at_utc_B":1668912807,"score_A":55,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Man the whole degree is difficult. The material doesn't get any easier but you get better at solving problems.","human_ref_B":"My hard classes weren't calculus, differential equations or physics, but I'm sure you can can do it. Dynamics was the hardest. My junior year was brutal, but we all worked on the assignments and learned. My senior year wasn't any less hard and I stopped working so much with other classmates, but I had gotten to the point where I stopped wasting time stressing about how hard an assignment does. Alright...better get started. It's a mindset thing and a work thing, not a \"smart\" thing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1016.0,"score_ratio":3.4375} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix1wk4e","c_root_id_B":"ix1zraj","created_at_utc_A":1668912191,"created_at_utc_B":1668913823,"score_A":7,"score_B":55,"human_ref_A":"It gets easier in the upper level classes. You\u2019ve already learned all the math and physics, and everything else is built off of that foundation.","human_ref_B":"Man the whole degree is difficult. The material doesn't get any easier but you get better at solving problems.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1632.0,"score_ratio":7.8571428571} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix1xs4j","c_root_id_B":"ix29k75","created_at_utc_A":1668912807,"created_at_utc_B":1668919110,"score_A":16,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"My hard classes weren't calculus, differential equations or physics, but I'm sure you can can do it. Dynamics was the hardest. My junior year was brutal, but we all worked on the assignments and learned. My senior year wasn't any less hard and I stopped working so much with other classmates, but I had gotten to the point where I stopped wasting time stressing about how hard an assignment does. Alright...better get started. It's a mindset thing and a work thing, not a \"smart\" thing.","human_ref_B":"As an EE it doesn't get easier, the work load is the same if not more but frankly if you actually want to be an engineer then you can definitely do it. Something to keep in mind though as far as the future is concerned Engineers are always in demand and you will most likely always have a job and options.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6303.0,"score_ratio":1.9375} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix29k75","c_root_id_B":"ix1wk4e","created_at_utc_A":1668919110,"created_at_utc_B":1668912191,"score_A":31,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"As an EE it doesn't get easier, the work load is the same if not more but frankly if you actually want to be an engineer then you can definitely do it. Something to keep in mind though as far as the future is concerned Engineers are always in demand and you will most likely always have a job and options.","human_ref_B":"It gets easier in the upper level classes. You\u2019ve already learned all the math and physics, and everything else is built off of that foundation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6919.0,"score_ratio":4.4285714286} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix29k75","c_root_id_B":"ix257mc","created_at_utc_A":1668919110,"created_at_utc_B":1668916673,"score_A":31,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"As an EE it doesn't get easier, the work load is the same if not more but frankly if you actually want to be an engineer then you can definitely do it. Something to keep in mind though as far as the future is concerned Engineers are always in demand and you will most likely always have a job and options.","human_ref_B":"If you struggled with those classes prepare to continue struggling. Just like everyone said, if you passed them you\u2019re capable of finishing the degree, but DO NOT by any means expect a walk in the park. They will be just as hard if not a little harder. However, don\u2019t give up. If you finished those other core courses you can do it!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2437.0,"score_ratio":3.875} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix20vrp","c_root_id_B":"ix29k75","created_at_utc_A":1668914395,"created_at_utc_B":1668919110,"score_A":5,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"First and second year are fundamental courses. Second year was the hardest, from a technical standpoint. Third and fourth year were more application based and built on the foundations. They were far more interesting and easier. It was more of a 'now you know how to math, let's explain how math can make things explode' framework.","human_ref_B":"As an EE it doesn't get easier, the work load is the same if not more but frankly if you actually want to be an engineer then you can definitely do it. Something to keep in mind though as far as the future is concerned Engineers are always in demand and you will most likely always have a job and options.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4715.0,"score_ratio":6.2} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix26q5o","c_root_id_B":"ix29k75","created_at_utc_A":1668917497,"created_at_utc_B":1668919110,"score_A":2,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"The degree is doable. It\u2019s just a matter of how much effort are you willing to put in? After graduating I had to relearn how to have hobbies again.","human_ref_B":"As an EE it doesn't get easier, the work load is the same if not more but frankly if you actually want to be an engineer then you can definitely do it. Something to keep in mind though as far as the future is concerned Engineers are always in demand and you will most likely always have a job and options.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1613.0,"score_ratio":15.5} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix1xs4j","c_root_id_B":"ix1yma6","created_at_utc_A":1668912807,"created_at_utc_B":1668913236,"score_A":16,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"My hard classes weren't calculus, differential equations or physics, but I'm sure you can can do it. Dynamics was the hardest. My junior year was brutal, but we all worked on the assignments and learned. My senior year wasn't any less hard and I stopped working so much with other classmates, but I had gotten to the point where I stopped wasting time stressing about how hard an assignment does. Alright...better get started. It's a mindset thing and a work thing, not a \"smart\" thing.","human_ref_B":"Depends on how smart you are. Some geniuses half-ass it. Some dumbasses work hard. I was medium smart and worked medium hard.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":429.0,"score_ratio":1.9375} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix1yma6","c_root_id_B":"ix1wk4e","created_at_utc_A":1668913236,"created_at_utc_B":1668912191,"score_A":31,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Depends on how smart you are. Some geniuses half-ass it. Some dumbasses work hard. I was medium smart and worked medium hard.","human_ref_B":"It gets easier in the upper level classes. You\u2019ve already learned all the math and physics, and everything else is built off of that foundation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1045.0,"score_ratio":4.4285714286} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix1xs4j","c_root_id_B":"ix1wk4e","created_at_utc_A":1668912807,"created_at_utc_B":1668912191,"score_A":16,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"My hard classes weren't calculus, differential equations or physics, but I'm sure you can can do it. Dynamics was the hardest. My junior year was brutal, but we all worked on the assignments and learned. My senior year wasn't any less hard and I stopped working so much with other classmates, but I had gotten to the point where I stopped wasting time stressing about how hard an assignment does. Alright...better get started. It's a mindset thing and a work thing, not a \"smart\" thing.","human_ref_B":"It gets easier in the upper level classes. You\u2019ve already learned all the math and physics, and everything else is built off of that foundation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":616.0,"score_ratio":2.2857142857} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix257mc","c_root_id_B":"ix1wk4e","created_at_utc_A":1668916673,"created_at_utc_B":1668912191,"score_A":8,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"If you struggled with those classes prepare to continue struggling. Just like everyone said, if you passed them you\u2019re capable of finishing the degree, but DO NOT by any means expect a walk in the park. They will be just as hard if not a little harder. However, don\u2019t give up. If you finished those other core courses you can do it!","human_ref_B":"It gets easier in the upper level classes. You\u2019ve already learned all the math and physics, and everything else is built off of that foundation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4482.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix20vrp","c_root_id_B":"ix257mc","created_at_utc_A":1668914395,"created_at_utc_B":1668916673,"score_A":5,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"First and second year are fundamental courses. Second year was the hardest, from a technical standpoint. Third and fourth year were more application based and built on the foundations. They were far more interesting and easier. It was more of a 'now you know how to math, let's explain how math can make things explode' framework.","human_ref_B":"If you struggled with those classes prepare to continue struggling. Just like everyone said, if you passed them you\u2019re capable of finishing the degree, but DO NOT by any means expect a walk in the park. They will be just as hard if not a little harder. However, don\u2019t give up. If you finished those other core courses you can do it!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2278.0,"score_ratio":1.6} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix2llkn","c_root_id_B":"ix20vrp","created_at_utc_A":1668927126,"created_at_utc_B":1668914395,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Not to be rude but sounds to me like youre going in with the wrong mindset. It\u2019s not easy for anyone but YOU CAN DO IT if you put in the effort. That means you treat school like the kind of full time job where you want to get promoted quickly vs a job where you\u2019re counting down the hours to go home. that means being on campus mon-fri 8-5 regardless of whether you have class or not. It means doing the readings BEFORE lecture and starting homework immediately after if possible. That means actually using office hours. If you\u2019re typically a below average student, then you have to make up for it with DISCIPLINE. otherwise yeah it\u2019s easy to fail out. Good luck bro","human_ref_B":"First and second year are fundamental courses. Second year was the hardest, from a technical standpoint. Third and fourth year were more application based and built on the foundations. They were far more interesting and easier. It was more of a 'now you know how to math, let's explain how math can make things explode' framework.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12731.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix2llkn","c_root_id_B":"ix2ctfm","created_at_utc_A":1668927126,"created_at_utc_B":1668921038,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Not to be rude but sounds to me like youre going in with the wrong mindset. It\u2019s not easy for anyone but YOU CAN DO IT if you put in the effort. That means you treat school like the kind of full time job where you want to get promoted quickly vs a job where you\u2019re counting down the hours to go home. that means being on campus mon-fri 8-5 regardless of whether you have class or not. It means doing the readings BEFORE lecture and starting homework immediately after if possible. That means actually using office hours. If you\u2019re typically a below average student, then you have to make up for it with DISCIPLINE. otherwise yeah it\u2019s easy to fail out. Good luck bro","human_ref_B":"I think it depends on the specific degree and how passionate\/interested you are in the core material. For example, I thought Organic Chem was 2x harder than Physical Chem, but I've heard the opposite. ​ For me personally (3.5 GPA chemE) the difficulty went Freshman Year: 2\/10 (Did my homework but had a nice healthy social life, rarely had to work more than 30 hours a week) Sophomore Year: 5\/10 (didn't have a lot of free time but only had to stay up past midnight when I procrastinated, stuff made sense when I worked through it alone) Junior Year: 8.5\/10 (Doing assignments out of office hours resulted in me wasting time, I had to do multiple all nighters and long weekends were the only time I felt like my head was comfortably above water) Senior Year 5.5\/10 (A couple rough assignments require late nights, but it feels more like sophomore year)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6088.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix2llkn","c_root_id_B":"ix2hxme","created_at_utc_A":1668927126,"created_at_utc_B":1668924421,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Not to be rude but sounds to me like youre going in with the wrong mindset. It\u2019s not easy for anyone but YOU CAN DO IT if you put in the effort. That means you treat school like the kind of full time job where you want to get promoted quickly vs a job where you\u2019re counting down the hours to go home. that means being on campus mon-fri 8-5 regardless of whether you have class or not. It means doing the readings BEFORE lecture and starting homework immediately after if possible. That means actually using office hours. If you\u2019re typically a below average student, then you have to make up for it with DISCIPLINE. otherwise yeah it\u2019s easy to fail out. Good luck bro","human_ref_B":"None of it is easy, but if you made it through your core corses you can make it through the rest. I definitely preferred the engineering courses because calculus made way more sense to me with actual applications. Everything builds on the thing before it. I had a tough time grasping fluid mechanics for some reason but once I got to heat transfer, which is a pretty similar concept but with heat, I found it to be super easy. A lot of it depends on the professors you have. In some classes I basically had to teach myself from the book because the prof was so confusing to follow.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2705.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix26q5o","c_root_id_B":"ix2llkn","created_at_utc_A":1668917497,"created_at_utc_B":1668927126,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"The degree is doable. It\u2019s just a matter of how much effort are you willing to put in? After graduating I had to relearn how to have hobbies again.","human_ref_B":"Not to be rude but sounds to me like youre going in with the wrong mindset. It\u2019s not easy for anyone but YOU CAN DO IT if you put in the effort. That means you treat school like the kind of full time job where you want to get promoted quickly vs a job where you\u2019re counting down the hours to go home. that means being on campus mon-fri 8-5 regardless of whether you have class or not. It means doing the readings BEFORE lecture and starting homework immediately after if possible. That means actually using office hours. If you\u2019re typically a below average student, then you have to make up for it with DISCIPLINE. otherwise yeah it\u2019s easy to fail out. Good luck bro","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9629.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix26q5o","c_root_id_B":"ix2ctfm","created_at_utc_A":1668917497,"created_at_utc_B":1668921038,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"The degree is doable. It\u2019s just a matter of how much effort are you willing to put in? After graduating I had to relearn how to have hobbies again.","human_ref_B":"I think it depends on the specific degree and how passionate\/interested you are in the core material. For example, I thought Organic Chem was 2x harder than Physical Chem, but I've heard the opposite. ​ For me personally (3.5 GPA chemE) the difficulty went Freshman Year: 2\/10 (Did my homework but had a nice healthy social life, rarely had to work more than 30 hours a week) Sophomore Year: 5\/10 (didn't have a lot of free time but only had to stay up past midnight when I procrastinated, stuff made sense when I worked through it alone) Junior Year: 8.5\/10 (Doing assignments out of office hours resulted in me wasting time, I had to do multiple all nighters and long weekends were the only time I felt like my head was comfortably above water) Senior Year 5.5\/10 (A couple rough assignments require late nights, but it feels more like sophomore year)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3541.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix26q5o","c_root_id_B":"ix2hxme","created_at_utc_A":1668917497,"created_at_utc_B":1668924421,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The degree is doable. It\u2019s just a matter of how much effort are you willing to put in? After graduating I had to relearn how to have hobbies again.","human_ref_B":"None of it is easy, but if you made it through your core corses you can make it through the rest. I definitely preferred the engineering courses because calculus made way more sense to me with actual applications. Everything builds on the thing before it. I had a tough time grasping fluid mechanics for some reason but once I got to heat transfer, which is a pretty similar concept but with heat, I found it to be super easy. A lot of it depends on the professors you have. In some classes I basically had to teach myself from the book because the prof was so confusing to follow.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6924.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix26q5o","c_root_id_B":"ix4xfhz","created_at_utc_A":1668917497,"created_at_utc_B":1668974206,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The degree is doable. It\u2019s just a matter of how much effort are you willing to put in? After graduating I had to relearn how to have hobbies again.","human_ref_B":"You'll make it! Those are the prerequisites. After those classes, your brain creates a new definition of what hard means. After a while, it is pointless to think if something is hard or not and you just have to decide mentally that you can do it and can\/will put in the work. Kind of a mental shift is required.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":56709.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix4xfhz","c_root_id_B":"ix2qt4r","created_at_utc_A":1668974206,"created_at_utc_B":1668931360,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You'll make it! Those are the prerequisites. After those classes, your brain creates a new definition of what hard means. After a while, it is pointless to think if something is hard or not and you just have to decide mentally that you can do it and can\/will put in the work. Kind of a mental shift is required.","human_ref_B":"Not to deter you from pursuing engineering but differential equations is the hardest course i've taken and i finished my bachelors, two masters and a phd. Basically what i am trying to say there isn't anything harder from there, but focus on the course it's challenging. If possible have low work courses with that course so you can focus more on it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":42846.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix4xfhz","c_root_id_B":"ix2wd7t","created_at_utc_A":1668974206,"created_at_utc_B":1668936142,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You'll make it! Those are the prerequisites. After those classes, your brain creates a new definition of what hard means. After a while, it is pointless to think if something is hard or not and you just have to decide mentally that you can do it and can\/will put in the work. Kind of a mental shift is required.","human_ref_B":"EE here, it doesn\u2019t get any easier from here.. You have to give it your all to get through what\u2019s left after those warm up courses. Though, if you were capable of getting through them, no doubt you will finish if you are a motivated hard worker with a clear goal in sight.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":38064.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix3n7di","c_root_id_B":"ix4xfhz","created_at_utc_A":1668955041,"created_at_utc_B":1668974206,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The core maths stuff can be hard to get your head around because you are also learning a new skill, rather than just absorbing knowledge. It does become easier the more you use it and the more you practice however. Personally I enjoyed learning the maths, but it was certainly very intense because of the sheer amount there was to get through. The later modules were more advanced, in that they built on previous knowledge but they were less intense so were enjoyable in a different way. I don't think anyone who gets an engineering degree does so without struggling with at least one subject, but what that is will vary from individual to individual. It's as much an exercise in perseverance and hard work as it is in ability. If you are doing ok with calculus, linear algebra and differential equations, then you should be OK with the rest.","human_ref_B":"You'll make it! Those are the prerequisites. After those classes, your brain creates a new definition of what hard means. After a while, it is pointless to think if something is hard or not and you just have to decide mentally that you can do it and can\/will put in the work. Kind of a mental shift is required.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19165.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix4xfhz","c_root_id_B":"ix41emx","created_at_utc_A":1668974206,"created_at_utc_B":1668961345,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You'll make it! Those are the prerequisites. After those classes, your brain creates a new definition of what hard means. After a while, it is pointless to think if something is hard or not and you just have to decide mentally that you can do it and can\/will put in the work. Kind of a mental shift is required.","human_ref_B":"At that point you have the ability to learn the engineering material. It's just about putting in the time and effort.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12861.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"yzsslp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How difficult is an engineering degree after completing core courses? I am a second year community college student and my original plan was to study engineering. I\u2019m taking first semester physics and second semester calculus. After the calculus, differential equations, and physics courses, how challenging is it to complete the degree? I feel like I would be able to pass these classes but it would feel like a waste in my opinion if I were to take them and then be overwhelmed by upper division courses once I transfer and drop out or change majors.","c_root_id_A":"ix4by80","c_root_id_B":"ix4xfhz","created_at_utc_A":1668965688,"created_at_utc_B":1668974206,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Third year was the roughest for me. Control systems Fluid mechanics Advanced solid mechanics Plus I became a dad! GPA took a dive. 4th year was easyyyy","human_ref_B":"You'll make it! Those are the prerequisites. After those classes, your brain creates a new definition of what hard means. After a while, it is pointless to think if something is hard or not and you just have to decide mentally that you can do it and can\/will put in the work. Kind of a mental shift is required.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8518.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"pfcjnm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"How many of you have worked on products you knew were bound to fail because of bad assumptions, nobody listened to your input, and you stuck around because the money was good and employment is tenuous? I worked on a Bluetooth-connected $350 jean jacket aimed at bicycle commuters that could be washed a maximum of 10 times before it failed. Because every cyclist knows that cotton is absolutely the best material to wear when you\u2019re sweating. Nobody wanted to hear my input on how misguided the idea was, even though I\u2019m a very experienced triathlete. Best money I ever made. One of the worst jobs I ever had. But the snacks were good.","c_root_id_A":"hb3sqlo","c_root_id_B":"hb3gjmw","created_at_utc_A":1630443552,"created_at_utc_B":1630438586,"score_A":85,"score_B":55,"human_ref_A":"It makes me wonder how many people at Theranos were in this position....","human_ref_B":"I was in a situation where I knew their assumptions were completely wrong. I presented the case, showed them empirical evidence and they still didn\u2019t listen. I started to look for a new job immediately and left very soon after. Within the month my immediate boss was fired, the person leading the task with the wrong assumption was put into a different role and lasted about a month or so. Within the year, they folded.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4966.0,"score_ratio":1.5454545455} +{"post_id":"pfcjnm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"How many of you have worked on products you knew were bound to fail because of bad assumptions, nobody listened to your input, and you stuck around because the money was good and employment is tenuous? I worked on a Bluetooth-connected $350 jean jacket aimed at bicycle commuters that could be washed a maximum of 10 times before it failed. Because every cyclist knows that cotton is absolutely the best material to wear when you\u2019re sweating. Nobody wanted to hear my input on how misguided the idea was, even though I\u2019m a very experienced triathlete. Best money I ever made. One of the worst jobs I ever had. But the snacks were good.","c_root_id_A":"hb3x1d5","c_root_id_B":"hb3v144","created_at_utc_A":1630445351,"created_at_utc_B":1630444511,"score_A":47,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"I've been forced to work on a few projects destined for doom from the beginning. I'm so nice (or dumb) that it's taken me too long to figure out \"the game.\" It usually happens when engineers are forced to work for non-engineers (but not always). Non-engineers sometimes think they're visionaries who don't have time for nonsense like a feasibility assessment. They just think engineers are there to make their wild dreams come true. The worst situation happened to be at a place where the pay was the best I'd had so far in my career. I was the new guy. The new guy gets the project that everyone else won't touch with a ten foot pole (because hey, let's face it - it's stupid and doomed from the get go - and everyone knows it - that's why no one else wants it). But you can't turn it down, right? What kind of idiot is a new guy who exhibits push back from the get go (even though it's legit)? No win either way. Give logical push back and you're labeled \"difficult to work with\" or worse (insubordinate) and get fired ....OR... off you go, engineering a disaster that eventually makes you look stupid. I left immediately. Life pro tips for when you're interviewing for the next job: (1.) Ask for specifics about the goals of what will be your first few projects. (2.) Ask why other engineers aren't already working on these projects. (3.) Ask what happens to people who refuse to work on projects that engineers deem to be infeasible. Then, after they lie to you and you accept the job, be on guard for that first project because BINGO BANGO..... you just might be the fall guy they're looking for for that stupid thing that sales has been demanding.","human_ref_B":"Bad ideas \/ assumptions seem more prevalent than good ones. I just drink my $5 coffee and continue on doing what they pay me to do. Maybe someday I'll be in charge and be the guy with the bad idea.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":840.0,"score_ratio":1.2702702703} +{"post_id":"pfcjnm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"How many of you have worked on products you knew were bound to fail because of bad assumptions, nobody listened to your input, and you stuck around because the money was good and employment is tenuous? I worked on a Bluetooth-connected $350 jean jacket aimed at bicycle commuters that could be washed a maximum of 10 times before it failed. Because every cyclist knows that cotton is absolutely the best material to wear when you\u2019re sweating. Nobody wanted to hear my input on how misguided the idea was, even though I\u2019m a very experienced triathlete. Best money I ever made. One of the worst jobs I ever had. But the snacks were good.","c_root_id_A":"hb42dcj","c_root_id_B":"hb48097","created_at_utc_A":1630447610,"created_at_utc_B":1630450090,"score_A":25,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"My first job out of college. I actively tried to get them to kill the product, almost succeeded. The VP called our partner company that built the backend software to kill the partnership, and their CEO basically begged him to not walk away. Caved to ever demand our leadership could think of. The product still never was a success. I did the math and they paid me more than we ever made in revenue, let alone profit. And I was not the only one that worked on it. Lol but it kept me paid.","human_ref_B":"Professor in university out of all places. He thought he was the smartest guy in the room and micromanaged his team of students and PhD hopefuls. Apparently this is common, when I took a part down to the machine shop for fabrication they warned me it wouldn't work and told me why. They said they get a few of the same design every year and none of them work. The professor didn't want to hear it and told me to do it anyway so I did and it failed. He had poor management philosophy. He always pushed us to work harder and faster, which meant that nobody took notes or documented anything because it took up too much time. The large turnover of students meant that everyone had to start each project almost from scratch. All problems were caused by not working hard enough and nobody was allowed to give any other input. I worked for less than minimum wage for him for a year (unpaid overtime) until I found something else and tripled my paycheck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2480.0,"score_ratio":1.16} +{"post_id":"pfcjnm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"How many of you have worked on products you knew were bound to fail because of bad assumptions, nobody listened to your input, and you stuck around because the money was good and employment is tenuous? I worked on a Bluetooth-connected $350 jean jacket aimed at bicycle commuters that could be washed a maximum of 10 times before it failed. Because every cyclist knows that cotton is absolutely the best material to wear when you\u2019re sweating. Nobody wanted to hear my input on how misguided the idea was, even though I\u2019m a very experienced triathlete. Best money I ever made. One of the worst jobs I ever had. But the snacks were good.","c_root_id_A":"hb4zv3u","c_root_id_B":"hb5wxip","created_at_utc_A":1630462948,"created_at_utc_B":1630484602,"score_A":10,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"On bad projects where we were hamstrung by fundamental engineering flaws that were not able to be fixed by average or great field engineers I tended to focus on client relations and clear, documented communication with the office and engineering. It maintained my reputation with my then employer and our clients. Good luck.","human_ref_B":"It was a digital video recorder for CCTV. It was about three months from production. It wasn\u2019t my project, but my boss asked for failure analysis on it. I was the new guy. My analysis? Products would start failing due to heat stress in about 1.5 years, increasing to a peak at about 3.5 years. Only the outliers would make it to our 5-year warranty limit. Our CTO bitched at my report and said I didn\u2019t know what I was talking about. My boss shielded me from any actions, and I still managed to get along with the CTO. The company started shipping the project, and my CTO took a victory lap. I kept my report. Right on time, my friend in our repairs department started bitching about this product return. Every return needed the main board replaced. At the three year mark, I took a walk through the repair department, and found returns stacked everywhere, 5 & 6 high. That day I innocently asked the CTO how these returns were impacting our financials. And caught him unaware. He flatly denied that there were a lot of returns. Then my friend in repairs described the CTO rushing in and demanding to know what happened. He seemed a bit flabbergasted. Over the next three weeks, a team of crack mechanical and electrical engineers determined that airflow was insufficient for the heat sinks for standard usage. Their temporary fix was to add a small computer fan. More long term, they redesigned the main board to use a more robust heat sink. I printed out a copy of the CTO failure analysis report, and a copy of my own report, and dropped them on my boss\u2019s desk. He got a great laugh out of that, and I saw a very nice pay bump on my next review. My boss would use my report to tease the CTO. I\u2019d like to say he became a better person from this, but unfortunately the CTO died relatively young, at 58, due to heart failure and diabetes. A couple of years after that, the company reorganized and I got a golden parachute.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21654.0,"score_ratio":1.6} +{"post_id":"pfcjnm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"How many of you have worked on products you knew were bound to fail because of bad assumptions, nobody listened to your input, and you stuck around because the money was good and employment is tenuous? I worked on a Bluetooth-connected $350 jean jacket aimed at bicycle commuters that could be washed a maximum of 10 times before it failed. Because every cyclist knows that cotton is absolutely the best material to wear when you\u2019re sweating. Nobody wanted to hear my input on how misguided the idea was, even though I\u2019m a very experienced triathlete. Best money I ever made. One of the worst jobs I ever had. But the snacks were good.","c_root_id_A":"hb59275","c_root_id_B":"hb5wxip","created_at_utc_A":1630467617,"created_at_utc_B":1630484602,"score_A":8,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"\"We've always done it this way\" (On not having acceptable QC practice and always being behind machining due to fixing errors) \"But we're so much better\" \"We can't afford that\" (On testing before it leaves)","human_ref_B":"It was a digital video recorder for CCTV. It was about three months from production. It wasn\u2019t my project, but my boss asked for failure analysis on it. I was the new guy. My analysis? Products would start failing due to heat stress in about 1.5 years, increasing to a peak at about 3.5 years. Only the outliers would make it to our 5-year warranty limit. Our CTO bitched at my report and said I didn\u2019t know what I was talking about. My boss shielded me from any actions, and I still managed to get along with the CTO. The company started shipping the project, and my CTO took a victory lap. I kept my report. Right on time, my friend in our repairs department started bitching about this product return. Every return needed the main board replaced. At the three year mark, I took a walk through the repair department, and found returns stacked everywhere, 5 & 6 high. That day I innocently asked the CTO how these returns were impacting our financials. And caught him unaware. He flatly denied that there were a lot of returns. Then my friend in repairs described the CTO rushing in and demanding to know what happened. He seemed a bit flabbergasted. Over the next three weeks, a team of crack mechanical and electrical engineers determined that airflow was insufficient for the heat sinks for standard usage. Their temporary fix was to add a small computer fan. More long term, they redesigned the main board to use a more robust heat sink. I printed out a copy of the CTO failure analysis report, and a copy of my own report, and dropped them on my boss\u2019s desk. He got a great laugh out of that, and I saw a very nice pay bump on my next review. My boss would use my report to tease the CTO. I\u2019d like to say he became a better person from this, but unfortunately the CTO died relatively young, at 58, due to heart failure and diabetes. A couple of years after that, the company reorganized and I got a golden parachute.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16985.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"pfcjnm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"How many of you have worked on products you knew were bound to fail because of bad assumptions, nobody listened to your input, and you stuck around because the money was good and employment is tenuous? I worked on a Bluetooth-connected $350 jean jacket aimed at bicycle commuters that could be washed a maximum of 10 times before it failed. Because every cyclist knows that cotton is absolutely the best material to wear when you\u2019re sweating. Nobody wanted to hear my input on how misguided the idea was, even though I\u2019m a very experienced triathlete. Best money I ever made. One of the worst jobs I ever had. But the snacks were good.","c_root_id_A":"hb6fjpl","c_root_id_B":"hb6ef9f","created_at_utc_A":1630498645,"created_at_utc_B":1630498008,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Me and a colleague got hired in a new company in a totally different field then where we came from, to replace an engineer with more than a decade of experience in that position which they fired. First project we got was reducing the cost of one of the main products we have been making for over 40 years by 50%. While implementing more features at the same time. Which is pretty much an impossible goal for a new hire for a product they have been making for 40 years. Obviously we didnt agree. But whatever plan we came up with for 20-30% reduction without new features was shot down by management. And they would not budge until we signed a project plan which stated 50% reduction and the new features. So we did.... and proceeded to do a complete ground up redesign which was doomed to not get to the desired results from the start. Now the first one is being build, its not even close to 50% reduction and we get complaints that it looks cheaper than the previous models while also not being flawless on the first go. Silver lining is that the Sales and procurements managers left recently and we instantly dumped all the new features required by sales and the overly expensive suppliers required by procurement. By doing that, we could rework the design to actually be able to possibly save 50%. Second machine will start getting build next week according to this new design. Keeping my fingers crossed.","human_ref_B":"It took me 7 years to finally find a job I could jump to. But it was good experience to learn how NOT to run a business. I use that experience often in my new role. I was a lead scientist, so I didn't have to make decisions or lead the company; but it was small enough that I was able to see how the leaders were screwing up.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":637.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"pfcjnm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"How many of you have worked on products you knew were bound to fail because of bad assumptions, nobody listened to your input, and you stuck around because the money was good and employment is tenuous? I worked on a Bluetooth-connected $350 jean jacket aimed at bicycle commuters that could be washed a maximum of 10 times before it failed. Because every cyclist knows that cotton is absolutely the best material to wear when you\u2019re sweating. Nobody wanted to hear my input on how misguided the idea was, even though I\u2019m a very experienced triathlete. Best money I ever made. One of the worst jobs I ever had. But the snacks were good.","c_root_id_A":"hb6ef9f","c_root_id_B":"hb6ybqj","created_at_utc_A":1630498008,"created_at_utc_B":1630507458,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"It took me 7 years to finally find a job I could jump to. But it was good experience to learn how NOT to run a business. I use that experience often in my new role. I was a lead scientist, so I didn't have to make decisions or lead the company; but it was small enough that I was able to see how the leaders were screwing up.","human_ref_B":"Reminds me of a project I was on. This was at a F500 company. It had a huge kickoff. It had buy-in from upper level management. C-level execs were very interested. It was a \"Top 10\" R&D effort, meaning that the C-level execs got regular briefings about its status. It was going to be a challenging project, but one with big returns. Then we had some problems with turnover. (Not related to the project as far as I could tell.) In the span of a year, year and a half, we had several different product managers, project managers, marketing managers, design consultants, and department managers. The net effect of all that turnover meant that the majority of the project team wasn't there from the beginning and had no 'skin in the game'. None of the folks in charge could explain why it was a good idea. The project was killed after 2 years with nothing to show for it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9450.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"pfcjnm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"How many of you have worked on products you knew were bound to fail because of bad assumptions, nobody listened to your input, and you stuck around because the money was good and employment is tenuous? I worked on a Bluetooth-connected $350 jean jacket aimed at bicycle commuters that could be washed a maximum of 10 times before it failed. Because every cyclist knows that cotton is absolutely the best material to wear when you\u2019re sweating. Nobody wanted to hear my input on how misguided the idea was, even though I\u2019m a very experienced triathlete. Best money I ever made. One of the worst jobs I ever had. But the snacks were good.","c_root_id_A":"hb6tt4s","c_root_id_B":"hb6ybqj","created_at_utc_A":1630505547,"created_at_utc_B":1630507458,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I worked on a personal radiation defector for mine workers. The idea was great, the thing worked, but the owner insisted on using a $400 3D printer with a terrible resolution to make the cases. It was for a batch of three hundred, I told him to get the cases injection moulded. Would have cost $2200 to get the tooling set up and 300 cases, plus future cases would have cost pennies. Anyway he proceeded to spend weeks 3D printing the cases. It would take 12 hours to print one case. Once he realized how long it took to make a case he doubled down and bought a second 3D printer to speed things along. Couple weeks after delivery the first detectors started coming back with broken cases, the 3D printing material that was used was stupid cheap so in the hot mines it would become quite brittle and we had a huge breakage rate, about half of the detectors came back in the first couple weeks. In the end he broke down recalled the lot and got them proper cases.","human_ref_B":"Reminds me of a project I was on. This was at a F500 company. It had a huge kickoff. It had buy-in from upper level management. C-level execs were very interested. It was a \"Top 10\" R&D effort, meaning that the C-level execs got regular briefings about its status. It was going to be a challenging project, but one with big returns. Then we had some problems with turnover. (Not related to the project as far as I could tell.) In the span of a year, year and a half, we had several different product managers, project managers, marketing managers, design consultants, and department managers. The net effect of all that turnover meant that the majority of the project team wasn't there from the beginning and had no 'skin in the game'. None of the folks in charge could explain why it was a good idea. The project was killed after 2 years with nothing to show for it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1911.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"pfcjnm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"How many of you have worked on products you knew were bound to fail because of bad assumptions, nobody listened to your input, and you stuck around because the money was good and employment is tenuous? I worked on a Bluetooth-connected $350 jean jacket aimed at bicycle commuters that could be washed a maximum of 10 times before it failed. Because every cyclist knows that cotton is absolutely the best material to wear when you\u2019re sweating. Nobody wanted to hear my input on how misguided the idea was, even though I\u2019m a very experienced triathlete. Best money I ever made. One of the worst jobs I ever had. But the snacks were good.","c_root_id_A":"hb6veri","c_root_id_B":"hb6ybqj","created_at_utc_A":1630506228,"created_at_utc_B":1630507458,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I think I consulted on that same project. Yeah, I tried to tell them that too. I've been building prototypes for tech startups and companies for a long time, most make this same mistake, if they didn't then we wouldn't see 90% of startups\/projects fail. I have a bunch of friends\/colleges in tech and \"weird stuff\" happens when ever I tell anyone about a personal project I have going on. They mostly try to convince me to start a company and sell it. I tell them no way, they ask me why not and I tell them it only took me 30 seconds to figure out this wasn't commercially viable as a product, I just something cool I wanted. People are just flat out unwilling to use their minds to think critically about their own idea\/ a project they are hired for when they feel it's against their best interest but they are just lying to themselves and end up hurt. That jacket would have been a fantastic personal project....but...this is why we can't have nice things.","human_ref_B":"Reminds me of a project I was on. This was at a F500 company. It had a huge kickoff. It had buy-in from upper level management. C-level execs were very interested. It was a \"Top 10\" R&D effort, meaning that the C-level execs got regular briefings about its status. It was going to be a challenging project, but one with big returns. Then we had some problems with turnover. (Not related to the project as far as I could tell.) In the span of a year, year and a half, we had several different product managers, project managers, marketing managers, design consultants, and department managers. The net effect of all that turnover meant that the majority of the project team wasn't there from the beginning and had no 'skin in the game'. None of the folks in charge could explain why it was a good idea. The project was killed after 2 years with nothing to show for it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1230.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"3wyef3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I'm a mechanical engineer, and I'm going to be tackling an undergrad computer science degree. What are some programming projects that would help you guys out (that are reasonably done by one person)? Title. My experience is in pressure vessels and heat exchangers, so mechanical design stuff is more within my realm of expertise. I'm looking for a something I can use as a senior design project, but make it useful to engineers. Problem is, I suck at ideas. Any suggestion?","c_root_id_A":"cxzxam4","c_root_id_B":"cxzzciq","created_at_utc_A":1450200152,"created_at_utc_B":1450203040,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Do you have a budget?","human_ref_B":"I have a degree in mechanical engineering but have worked in software for the past handful of years. I would recommend something in controls engineering. You could model and control the flow through a heat exchanger.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2888.0,"score_ratio":2.25} +{"post_id":"3wyef3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I'm a mechanical engineer, and I'm going to be tackling an undergrad computer science degree. What are some programming projects that would help you guys out (that are reasonably done by one person)? Title. My experience is in pressure vessels and heat exchangers, so mechanical design stuff is more within my realm of expertise. I'm looking for a something I can use as a senior design project, but make it useful to engineers. Problem is, I suck at ideas. Any suggestion?","c_root_id_A":"cxzzciq","c_root_id_B":"cxzvpdz","created_at_utc_A":1450203040,"created_at_utc_B":1450197869,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I have a degree in mechanical engineering but have worked in software for the past handful of years. I would recommend something in controls engineering. You could model and control the flow through a heat exchanger.","human_ref_B":"Wait, so do you want a programming project or a mechanical engineering project?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5171.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"3wyef3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I'm a mechanical engineer, and I'm going to be tackling an undergrad computer science degree. What are some programming projects that would help you guys out (that are reasonably done by one person)? Title. My experience is in pressure vessels and heat exchangers, so mechanical design stuff is more within my realm of expertise. I'm looking for a something I can use as a senior design project, but make it useful to engineers. Problem is, I suck at ideas. Any suggestion?","c_root_id_A":"cxzvpdz","c_root_id_B":"cxzxam4","created_at_utc_A":1450197869,"created_at_utc_B":1450200152,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Wait, so do you want a programming project or a mechanical engineering project?","human_ref_B":"Do you have a budget?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2283.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"3wyef3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I'm a mechanical engineer, and I'm going to be tackling an undergrad computer science degree. What are some programming projects that would help you guys out (that are reasonably done by one person)? Title. My experience is in pressure vessels and heat exchangers, so mechanical design stuff is more within my realm of expertise. I'm looking for a something I can use as a senior design project, but make it useful to engineers. Problem is, I suck at ideas. Any suggestion?","c_root_id_A":"cxzvpdz","c_root_id_B":"cy0d1ah","created_at_utc_A":1450197869,"created_at_utc_B":1450222075,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Wait, so do you want a programming project or a mechanical engineering project?","human_ref_B":"If you're planning on trying to incorporate both computer programming and mechanical engineering into your career, maybe start looking into Microcontrollers, and how to program them. This will allow you to set up control systems for various mechanical systems. A cool project would be to start looking into robotics, so maybe you could design a mechanical arm on solidworks(or similar), 3D print all the parts, and use servos and a microcontroller, to control it. This will start giving you more and more ideas on how you can use microcontrollers, which with lead to more programming skills.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24206.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7z5e86","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"Engineers who graduated or were looking for a Job around the 2008 recession, how difficult was it to find a Job?","c_root_id_A":"dulkoqh","c_root_id_B":"dulmcx8","created_at_utc_A":1519225769,"created_at_utc_B":1519227447,"score_A":7,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"depends on what kind of engineer. i know guys who did petroleum\/chemical in 08 and had 0 problems finding jobs with the supermajors in texas\/oklahoma area. (barrel of crude was ~$140 at the height of the recession, so the impact of it was greatly mitigated in oil states, i think)","human_ref_B":"I graduated in 09, market sucked, got a master's still sucked in 11. Bartended for a year while looking for a job. Sent out hundreds of applications only a handful of interviews. Many entry level jobs had lots of applicants with 10 years and a PE. Many areas of civil were hit hard as housing development took a hit. Only recently has new housing development started in my area.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1678.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gy8rxkh","c_root_id_B":"gy91b2v","created_at_utc_A":1621105028,"created_at_utc_B":1621109747,"score_A":34,"score_B":48,"human_ref_A":"Jobs, money, reasonable hours, a good work environment, options for continuing education, and a path for career growth.","human_ref_B":"Improved compensation. Yeah! One can always do it \u201cfor the love of learning!\u201d. But turns all the effort put into it by the young engineers as a donation\/charity toward making sure their employers will have access to cheap labour. I see no glory in that. Also! The salary Range I see makes it seem like there is an over abundance of engineers. At least it looks that way based on the demand-supply interpretation of low salaries. So beyond creating even more bigger pool of cheaper labour, I am not sure why one would want to inspire more people.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4719.0,"score_ratio":1.4117647059} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gy91b2v","c_root_id_B":"gy8qsvu","created_at_utc_A":1621109747,"created_at_utc_B":1621104471,"score_A":48,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Improved compensation. Yeah! One can always do it \u201cfor the love of learning!\u201d. But turns all the effort put into it by the young engineers as a donation\/charity toward making sure their employers will have access to cheap labour. I see no glory in that. Also! The salary Range I see makes it seem like there is an over abundance of engineers. At least it looks that way based on the demand-supply interpretation of low salaries. So beyond creating even more bigger pool of cheaper labour, I am not sure why one would want to inspire more people.","human_ref_B":"I tell them the truth; if you\u2019re smart enough to be a good engineer, you\u2019re smart enough to do something more profitable with your life. We\u2019re here because we make things that make the world a better place, not ourselves rich.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5276.0,"score_ratio":12.0} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gy8qsvu","c_root_id_B":"gy8rxkh","created_at_utc_A":1621104471,"created_at_utc_B":1621105028,"score_A":4,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"I tell them the truth; if you\u2019re smart enough to be a good engineer, you\u2019re smart enough to do something more profitable with your life. We\u2019re here because we make things that make the world a better place, not ourselves rich.","human_ref_B":"Jobs, money, reasonable hours, a good work environment, options for continuing education, and a path for career growth.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":557.0,"score_ratio":8.5} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gy92ai7","c_root_id_B":"gy94zzc","created_at_utc_A":1621110257,"created_at_utc_B":1621111654,"score_A":4,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"Propose interesting projects so that they can see and experience what real engineering is like and can learn the differences between \"ideal, nice, text-book\" engineering and actual work from different areas (project, design, manufacturing, integration, testing, upgrading, etc.). I wish someone had shown me that when I was studying...","human_ref_B":"Pay them well, treat them like professionals, give them the tools they need to do their jobs.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1397.0,"score_ratio":5.5} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gy8qsvu","c_root_id_B":"gy94zzc","created_at_utc_A":1621104471,"created_at_utc_B":1621111654,"score_A":4,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"I tell them the truth; if you\u2019re smart enough to be a good engineer, you\u2019re smart enough to do something more profitable with your life. We\u2019re here because we make things that make the world a better place, not ourselves rich.","human_ref_B":"Pay them well, treat them like professionals, give them the tools they need to do their jobs.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7183.0,"score_ratio":5.5} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gy9vwfs","c_root_id_B":"gya5mx0","created_at_utc_A":1621126075,"created_at_utc_B":1621131668,"score_A":7,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"don't. Show them what Engineering truly is for better or for worse. IDK if you're talking about youth or young professionals. I thought you meant children, but the general idea applies for young professionals too. I did FIRST robotics in high school and was told many times how similar it is to real engineering. Obviously it isn't identical, but it was similar enough that those that were drawn to it made good engineers and those that left would likely have not enjoyed or been good at engineering anyways. (definitely far from perfect, but it's one of the better youth STEM programs for this reason) In many STEM programs, and to a small degree even in FIRST more recently, there's been more focus on getting more people into the program. However, instead of putting that focus into lowering barriers and increasing opportunities, it's often put into adding to and changing the program to be more broadly appealing. That may attract more people, but it makes the experience less accurate, so those additional people are the wrong people, and it lessens the value of the experience.","human_ref_B":"Extrinsically: Cull the field. There's too many engineers just keeping chairs warm in offices. Nothing deters young engineers more than seeing old timers who can't count past three. I don't know how it happened but it did. Intrinsically: understand that most engineering fields have been skimmed. There's much untouched knowledge waiting to be unlocked by picking a topic and taking a deep dive. Not only is this intrinsically rewarding because you're discovering new things, but it quickly translates to subject matter expertise that's well rewarded.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5593.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gya5mx0","c_root_id_B":"gya33c0","created_at_utc_A":1621131668,"created_at_utc_B":1621130202,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Extrinsically: Cull the field. There's too many engineers just keeping chairs warm in offices. Nothing deters young engineers more than seeing old timers who can't count past three. I don't know how it happened but it did. Intrinsically: understand that most engineering fields have been skimmed. There's much untouched knowledge waiting to be unlocked by picking a topic and taking a deep dive. Not only is this intrinsically rewarding because you're discovering new things, but it quickly translates to subject matter expertise that's well rewarded.","human_ref_B":"More money, less debt, improved work life balance. Applies to all jobs. Your welcome","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1466.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gya5mx0","c_root_id_B":"gy92ai7","created_at_utc_A":1621131668,"created_at_utc_B":1621110257,"score_A":11,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Extrinsically: Cull the field. There's too many engineers just keeping chairs warm in offices. Nothing deters young engineers more than seeing old timers who can't count past three. I don't know how it happened but it did. Intrinsically: understand that most engineering fields have been skimmed. There's much untouched knowledge waiting to be unlocked by picking a topic and taking a deep dive. Not only is this intrinsically rewarding because you're discovering new things, but it quickly translates to subject matter expertise that's well rewarded.","human_ref_B":"Propose interesting projects so that they can see and experience what real engineering is like and can learn the differences between \"ideal, nice, text-book\" engineering and actual work from different areas (project, design, manufacturing, integration, testing, upgrading, etc.). I wish someone had shown me that when I was studying...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21411.0,"score_ratio":2.75} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gya5mx0","c_root_id_B":"gy9ktlf","created_at_utc_A":1621131668,"created_at_utc_B":1621119991,"score_A":11,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Extrinsically: Cull the field. There's too many engineers just keeping chairs warm in offices. Nothing deters young engineers more than seeing old timers who can't count past three. I don't know how it happened but it did. Intrinsically: understand that most engineering fields have been skimmed. There's much untouched knowledge waiting to be unlocked by picking a topic and taking a deep dive. Not only is this intrinsically rewarding because you're discovering new things, but it quickly translates to subject matter expertise that's well rewarded.","human_ref_B":"I do my best to discourage people from going into engineering.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11677.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gya5mx0","c_root_id_B":"gy8qsvu","created_at_utc_A":1621131668,"created_at_utc_B":1621104471,"score_A":11,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Extrinsically: Cull the field. There's too many engineers just keeping chairs warm in offices. Nothing deters young engineers more than seeing old timers who can't count past three. I don't know how it happened but it did. Intrinsically: understand that most engineering fields have been skimmed. There's much untouched knowledge waiting to be unlocked by picking a topic and taking a deep dive. Not only is this intrinsically rewarding because you're discovering new things, but it quickly translates to subject matter expertise that's well rewarded.","human_ref_B":"I tell them the truth; if you\u2019re smart enough to be a good engineer, you\u2019re smart enough to do something more profitable with your life. We\u2019re here because we make things that make the world a better place, not ourselves rich.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27197.0,"score_ratio":2.75} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gya5mx0","c_root_id_B":"gy9wd5i","created_at_utc_A":1621131668,"created_at_utc_B":1621126338,"score_A":11,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Extrinsically: Cull the field. There's too many engineers just keeping chairs warm in offices. Nothing deters young engineers more than seeing old timers who can't count past three. I don't know how it happened but it did. 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Not only is this intrinsically rewarding because you're discovering new things, but it quickly translates to subject matter expertise that's well rewarded.","human_ref_B":"The beauty about an engineering degree, is that there is a big window of opportunities upon completion","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5330.0,"score_ratio":5.5} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gy92ai7","c_root_id_B":"gy9vwfs","created_at_utc_A":1621110257,"created_at_utc_B":1621126075,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Propose interesting projects so that they can see and experience what real engineering is like and can learn the differences between \"ideal, nice, text-book\" engineering and actual work from different areas (project, design, manufacturing, integration, testing, upgrading, etc.). I wish someone had shown me that when I was studying...","human_ref_B":"don't. Show them what Engineering truly is for better or for worse. IDK if you're talking about youth or young professionals. I thought you meant children, but the general idea applies for young professionals too. I did FIRST robotics in high school and was told many times how similar it is to real engineering. Obviously it isn't identical, but it was similar enough that those that were drawn to it made good engineers and those that left would likely have not enjoyed or been good at engineering anyways. (definitely far from perfect, but it's one of the better youth STEM programs for this reason) In many STEM programs, and to a small degree even in FIRST more recently, there's been more focus on getting more people into the program. However, instead of putting that focus into lowering barriers and increasing opportunities, it's often put into adding to and changing the program to be more broadly appealing. That may attract more people, but it makes the experience less accurate, so those additional people are the wrong people, and it lessens the value of the experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15818.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gy9ktlf","c_root_id_B":"gy9vwfs","created_at_utc_A":1621119991,"created_at_utc_B":1621126075,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I do my best to discourage people from going into engineering.","human_ref_B":"don't. Show them what Engineering truly is for better or for worse. IDK if you're talking about youth or young professionals. I thought you meant children, but the general idea applies for young professionals too. I did FIRST robotics in high school and was told many times how similar it is to real engineering. Obviously it isn't identical, but it was similar enough that those that were drawn to it made good engineers and those that left would likely have not enjoyed or been good at engineering anyways. (definitely far from perfect, but it's one of the better youth STEM programs for this reason) In many STEM programs, and to a small degree even in FIRST more recently, there's been more focus on getting more people into the program. However, instead of putting that focus into lowering barriers and increasing opportunities, it's often put into adding to and changing the program to be more broadly appealing. That may attract more people, but it makes the experience less accurate, so those additional people are the wrong people, and it lessens the value of the experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6084.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gy9vwfs","c_root_id_B":"gy8qsvu","created_at_utc_A":1621126075,"created_at_utc_B":1621104471,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"don't. Show them what Engineering truly is for better or for worse. IDK if you're talking about youth or young professionals. I thought you meant children, but the general idea applies for young professionals too. I did FIRST robotics in high school and was told many times how similar it is to real engineering. Obviously it isn't identical, but it was similar enough that those that were drawn to it made good engineers and those that left would likely have not enjoyed or been good at engineering anyways. (definitely far from perfect, but it's one of the better youth STEM programs for this reason) In many STEM programs, and to a small degree even in FIRST more recently, there's been more focus on getting more people into the program. However, instead of putting that focus into lowering barriers and increasing opportunities, it's often put into adding to and changing the program to be more broadly appealing. That may attract more people, but it makes the experience less accurate, so those additional people are the wrong people, and it lessens the value of the experience.","human_ref_B":"I tell them the truth; if you\u2019re smart enough to be a good engineer, you\u2019re smart enough to do something more profitable with your life. We\u2019re here because we make things that make the world a better place, not ourselves rich.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21604.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gya33c0","c_root_id_B":"gy92ai7","created_at_utc_A":1621130202,"created_at_utc_B":1621110257,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"More money, less debt, improved work life balance. Applies to all jobs. Your welcome","human_ref_B":"Propose interesting projects so that they can see and experience what real engineering is like and can learn the differences between \"ideal, nice, text-book\" engineering and actual work from different areas (project, design, manufacturing, integration, testing, upgrading, etc.). 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Your welcome","human_ref_B":"I do my best to discourage people from going into engineering.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10211.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gy8qsvu","c_root_id_B":"gya33c0","created_at_utc_A":1621104471,"created_at_utc_B":1621130202,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I tell them the truth; if you\u2019re smart enough to be a good engineer, you\u2019re smart enough to do something more profitable with your life. We\u2019re here because we make things that make the world a better place, not ourselves rich.","human_ref_B":"More money, less debt, improved work life balance. Applies to all jobs. Your welcome","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25731.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gya33c0","c_root_id_B":"gy9wd5i","created_at_utc_A":1621130202,"created_at_utc_B":1621126338,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"More money, less debt, improved work life balance. Applies to all jobs. Your welcome","human_ref_B":"The beauty about an engineering degree, is that there is a big window of opportunities upon completion","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3864.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gy9ktlf","c_root_id_B":"gy92ai7","created_at_utc_A":1621119991,"created_at_utc_B":1621110257,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I do my best to discourage people from going into engineering.","human_ref_B":"Propose interesting projects so that they can see and experience what real engineering is like and can learn the differences between \"ideal, nice, text-book\" engineering and actual work from different areas (project, design, manufacturing, integration, testing, upgrading, etc.). I wish someone had shown me that when I was studying...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9734.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gy9ktlf","c_root_id_B":"gy8qsvu","created_at_utc_A":1621119991,"created_at_utc_B":1621104471,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I do my best to discourage people from going into engineering.","human_ref_B":"I tell them the truth; if you\u2019re smart enough to be a good engineer, you\u2019re smart enough to do something more profitable with your life. We\u2019re here because we make things that make the world a better place, not ourselves rich.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15520.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gy9wd5i","c_root_id_B":"gyaakpy","created_at_utc_A":1621126338,"created_at_utc_B":1621134670,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"The beauty about an engineering degree, is that there is a big window of opportunities upon completion","human_ref_B":"First you got to give them a job in engineering. I have my degree and I have been applying for months now still nothing so looking at alternatives","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8332.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"nd56gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How do you inspire young engineers to stay in engineering?","c_root_id_A":"gyaakpy","c_root_id_B":"gya93f5","created_at_utc_A":1621134670,"created_at_utc_B":1621133746,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"First you got to give them a job in engineering. I have my degree and I have been applying for months now still nothing so looking at alternatives","human_ref_B":"\ud83d\udcb0","labels":1,"seconds_difference":924.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"gvd56e","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"WFH\/Office How much actual productive time? With the new working from home compared to office based work, are you working more efficiently? Do you still need to put in 40+ hours?","c_root_id_A":"fso73e5","c_root_id_B":"fsohnf7","created_at_utc_A":1591128970,"created_at_utc_B":1591133995,"score_A":10,"score_B":41,"human_ref_A":"Productivity is about the same, quality of life is WAY up. If I can scheme a permanent work from home at this company i could see myself working here a while.","human_ref_B":"Way less productive working from home. The number of video meetings that have replaced speaking with someone for 15mins is insane, and all the distractions of being at home on top of that. Only got a couple useful hours a day, much happier now that I'm back at work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5025.0,"score_ratio":4.1} +{"post_id":"gvd56e","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"WFH\/Office How much actual productive time? With the new working from home compared to office based work, are you working more efficiently? Do you still need to put in 40+ hours?","c_root_id_A":"fsoa0k5","c_root_id_B":"fsohnf7","created_at_utc_A":1591130341,"created_at_utc_B":1591133995,"score_A":10,"score_B":41,"human_ref_A":"When we started WFH, I was just as productive for like the first two weeks. Now I'm getting comfortable and not nearly as productive as I was in the office. If I had an odd few days here or there I am able to work from home I would be just as effective. But going this long, I can focus anymore.","human_ref_B":"Way less productive working from home. The number of video meetings that have replaced speaking with someone for 15mins is insane, and all the distractions of being at home on top of that. Only got a couple useful hours a day, much happier now that I'm back at work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3654.0,"score_ratio":4.1} +{"post_id":"gvd56e","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"WFH\/Office How much actual productive time? 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Not planning on going back to an all-day office job ever, but realistically if things don't pan out that's probably not something I can control.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3733.0,"score_ratio":5.8571428571} +{"post_id":"gvd56e","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"WFH\/Office How much actual productive time? With the new working from home compared to office based work, are you working more efficiently? Do you still need to put in 40+ hours?","c_root_id_A":"fsoa0k5","c_root_id_B":"fso8m56","created_at_utc_A":1591130341,"created_at_utc_B":1591129682,"score_A":10,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"When we started WFH, I was just as productive for like the first two weeks. Now I'm getting comfortable and not nearly as productive as I was in the office. If I had an odd few days here or there I am able to work from home I would be just as effective. But going this long, I can focus anymore.","human_ref_B":"I end up working more, with less distractions and more focus - just not the typical 8-5. More like 10-12, 2-6, 9-3 (ish)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":659.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"gvd56e","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"WFH\/Office How much actual productive time? With the new working from home compared to office based work, are you working more efficiently? Do you still need to put in 40+ hours?","c_root_id_A":"fso9ucq","c_root_id_B":"fsoa0k5","created_at_utc_A":1591130262,"created_at_utc_B":1591130341,"score_A":7,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I don't have a good comparison pre\/post-COVID-19 (my work schedule hasn't changed), but I started working 50-75% of the week from home last October and it's a huge upgrade from sitting in a cubicle for 40 hours a week. Not planning on going back to an all-day office job ever, but realistically if things don't pan out that's probably not something I can control.","human_ref_B":"When we started WFH, I was just as productive for like the first two weeks. Now I'm getting comfortable and not nearly as productive as I was in the office. If I had an odd few days here or there I am able to work from home I would be just as effective. But going this long, I can focus anymore.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":79.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286} +{"post_id":"gvd56e","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"WFH\/Office How much actual productive time? With the new working from home compared to office based work, are you working more efficiently? Do you still need to put in 40+ hours?","c_root_id_A":"fsoqx7n","c_root_id_B":"fsor66a","created_at_utc_A":1591138636,"created_at_utc_B":1591138764,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I'm no where near as productive. Everything from distractions to lack of resources. It's frustrating at best. At worst...let's just say that I'm starting to pay attention to job ads that I never did before. This sucks.","human_ref_B":"At the start it was okay, but I'm finding it harder to maintain focus. I'm getting distracted more as I can casually spend an hour on my phone without realising. I'm also finding it difficult to collaborate with my coworker as we're more disconnected and can't keep an eye on each others work without setting up a daily meeting (which quickly becomes too formal and unnatural)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":128.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"gvd56e","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"WFH\/Office How much actual productive time? With the new working from home compared to office based work, are you working more efficiently? Do you still need to put in 40+ hours?","c_root_id_A":"fsoxqp8","c_root_id_B":"fsp48cn","created_at_utc_A":1591142396,"created_at_utc_B":1591146025,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Working from home with a toddler and no child care. Much lower productivity.","human_ref_B":"I was less productive. Reasons were: * Much too easy to do laundry or simply give up and call it a day * I had my personal computer playing the video feed of podcasts that I usually listen to in the office and not watch. I spent way too much time watching. * Not feeling like I'm at work * Being stuck in my bedroom for 16-18 hours a day. My office setup was in my bedroom. I hated being in that room for so long. It's a nice room, but I hated being in there for the vast majority of each day. I'm now back in the office. It's very nice. Traffic has been light (only a 20 minute commute each way as opposed to 25-30 minutes). I'm also currently the only one in the office (as opposed to the normal 3).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3629.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"gvd56e","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"WFH\/Office How much actual productive time? With the new working from home compared to office based work, are you working more efficiently? Do you still need to put in 40+ hours?","c_root_id_A":"fsp0s8x","c_root_id_B":"fsp48cn","created_at_utc_A":1591144092,"created_at_utc_B":1591146025,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"First few days I was super productive at knocking out BS paperwork that I had piled up and never did when at the office. By week 2 productivity fell on its face and I basically wasn't doing anything work related unless someone emailed\/IM'd me. Extremely glad they let us come back to work.","human_ref_B":"I was less productive. Reasons were: * Much too easy to do laundry or simply give up and call it a day * I had my personal computer playing the video feed of podcasts that I usually listen to in the office and not watch. I spent way too much time watching. * Not feeling like I'm at work * Being stuck in my bedroom for 16-18 hours a day. My office setup was in my bedroom. I hated being in that room for so long. It's a nice room, but I hated being in there for the vast majority of each day. I'm now back in the office. It's very nice. Traffic has been light (only a 20 minute commute each way as opposed to 25-30 minutes). I'm also currently the only one in the office (as opposed to the normal 3).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1933.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"gvd56e","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"WFH\/Office How much actual productive time? With the new working from home compared to office based work, are you working more efficiently? Do you still need to put in 40+ hours?","c_root_id_A":"fsp0s8x","c_root_id_B":"fspb1ku","created_at_utc_A":1591144092,"created_at_utc_B":1591149903,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"First few days I was super productive at knocking out BS paperwork that I had piled up and never did when at the office. By week 2 productivity fell on its face and I basically wasn't doing anything work related unless someone emailed\/IM'd me. Extremely glad they let us come back to work.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m the same level of productive, and do it in about half the time. Very revealing how much time in the office was spent on absolute utter bullshit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5811.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"gvd56e","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"WFH\/Office How much actual productive time? With the new working from home compared to office based work, are you working more efficiently? Do you still need to put in 40+ hours?","c_root_id_A":"fsp0s8x","c_root_id_B":"fspmni2","created_at_utc_A":1591144092,"created_at_utc_B":1591156834,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"First few days I was super productive at knocking out BS paperwork that I had piled up and never did when at the office. By week 2 productivity fell on its face and I basically wasn't doing anything work related unless someone emailed\/IM'd me. Extremely glad they let us come back to work.","human_ref_B":"Definitely more efficient and get more done. As a team we've worked to become more decoupled and rely on each other less but we are always available for a quick video call or screen share as needed. I am quietly working a full 7 hours and we have an hour reserved for meetings and team discussion. I start exactly at 9 and end at 5.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12742.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"gvd56e","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"WFH\/Office How much actual productive time? With the new working from home compared to office based work, are you working more efficiently? Do you still need to put in 40+ hours?","c_root_id_A":"fspkb8x","c_root_id_B":"fspmni2","created_at_utc_A":1591155357,"created_at_utc_B":1591156834,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve been working like crazy putting in 10-14hr days. Too much work to do, and we\u2019re already used to working remotely. Definitely have a lot of video meetings that could have been solved with a 5 minute in person chat. Last week was my first light week thanks to the 3 day weekend.","human_ref_B":"Definitely more efficient and get more done. As a team we've worked to become more decoupled and rely on each other less but we are always available for a quick video call or screen share as needed. I am quietly working a full 7 hours and we have an hour reserved for meetings and team discussion. I start exactly at 9 and end at 5.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1477.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"gvd56e","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"WFH\/Office How much actual productive time? With the new working from home compared to office based work, are you working more efficiently? Do you still need to put in 40+ hours?","c_root_id_A":"fsp0s8x","c_root_id_B":"fsqbrbc","created_at_utc_A":1591144092,"created_at_utc_B":1591177057,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"First few days I was super productive at knocking out BS paperwork that I had piled up and never did when at the office. By week 2 productivity fell on its face and I basically wasn't doing anything work related unless someone emailed\/IM'd me. Extremely glad they let us come back to work.","human_ref_B":"Way more productive, we just finished up an inspection crunch and my boss said it was the smoothest it's ever gone, I can only speak to how it was last year and it was definitely less stressful. Had the same problems with productivity I had at the office without the annoyance of having people chatting two or three cubicles away. Just stuff like people being unclear in instructions, poor documentation of work forcing people to go back and review work that would have been easier to do at the start, and managers trying to bring engineers into a project they had no experience with, and then asking them to complete a task without giving them enough time to get caught up with the rest of the team. Those problems all have solutions, they're not easy to adopt or implement but if engineering companies had been thinking about this at all before the outbreak it could have gone smoother. Unfortunately I know we're probably nearing the end of WFH. I think it'd be fun to work on getting the processes more streamlined to make it easier for employees to work from home, but I know there's a snowball's chance that ends up happening with my company. If you want to see how a team works efficiently with remote members, check out any open source software project's workflow. It's not that hard compared to the status quo, they've been doing it for years and have been surpassing \"professional\" teams in terms of quality of their output in some cases for a while now. Even Microsoft has finally stopped trying to kill them and admitted there's some benefit to how they work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":32965.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"gvd56e","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"WFH\/Office How much actual productive time? With the new working from home compared to office based work, are you working more efficiently? Do you still need to put in 40+ hours?","c_root_id_A":"fspkb8x","c_root_id_B":"fsqbrbc","created_at_utc_A":1591155357,"created_at_utc_B":1591177057,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve been working like crazy putting in 10-14hr days. Too much work to do, and we\u2019re already used to working remotely. Definitely have a lot of video meetings that could have been solved with a 5 minute in person chat. Last week was my first light week thanks to the 3 day weekend.","human_ref_B":"Way more productive, we just finished up an inspection crunch and my boss said it was the smoothest it's ever gone, I can only speak to how it was last year and it was definitely less stressful. Had the same problems with productivity I had at the office without the annoyance of having people chatting two or three cubicles away. Just stuff like people being unclear in instructions, poor documentation of work forcing people to go back and review work that would have been easier to do at the start, and managers trying to bring engineers into a project they had no experience with, and then asking them to complete a task without giving them enough time to get caught up with the rest of the team. Those problems all have solutions, they're not easy to adopt or implement but if engineering companies had been thinking about this at all before the outbreak it could have gone smoother. Unfortunately I know we're probably nearing the end of WFH. I think it'd be fun to work on getting the processes more streamlined to make it easier for employees to work from home, but I know there's a snowball's chance that ends up happening with my company. If you want to see how a team works efficiently with remote members, check out any open source software project's workflow. It's not that hard compared to the status quo, they've been doing it for years and have been surpassing \"professional\" teams in terms of quality of their output in some cases for a while now. Even Microsoft has finally stopped trying to kill them and admitted there's some benefit to how they work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21700.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"gvd56e","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"WFH\/Office How much actual productive time? With the new working from home compared to office based work, are you working more efficiently? Do you still need to put in 40+ hours?","c_root_id_A":"fsqbrbc","c_root_id_B":"fspqk9y","created_at_utc_A":1591177057,"created_at_utc_B":1591159402,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Way more productive, we just finished up an inspection crunch and my boss said it was the smoothest it's ever gone, I can only speak to how it was last year and it was definitely less stressful. Had the same problems with productivity I had at the office without the annoyance of having people chatting two or three cubicles away. Just stuff like people being unclear in instructions, poor documentation of work forcing people to go back and review work that would have been easier to do at the start, and managers trying to bring engineers into a project they had no experience with, and then asking them to complete a task without giving them enough time to get caught up with the rest of the team. Those problems all have solutions, they're not easy to adopt or implement but if engineering companies had been thinking about this at all before the outbreak it could have gone smoother. Unfortunately I know we're probably nearing the end of WFH. I think it'd be fun to work on getting the processes more streamlined to make it easier for employees to work from home, but I know there's a snowball's chance that ends up happening with my company. If you want to see how a team works efficiently with remote members, check out any open source software project's workflow. It's not that hard compared to the status quo, they've been doing it for years and have been surpassing \"professional\" teams in terms of quality of their output in some cases for a while now. Even Microsoft has finally stopped trying to kill them and admitted there's some benefit to how they work.","human_ref_B":"50\/50 split of office\/WFH. easy to write documents at home, but hard to get enough lab time to run my experiments.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17655.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"60vot8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Any engineers here who work for Elon Musk? What is your experience? I am currently in school for engineering. I would like to one day work on one of Elon Musk's projects ( tunnels, SpaceX, etc...) and am wondering how realistic or idealistic that would be.","c_root_id_A":"df9w8b5","c_root_id_B":"df9pljo","created_at_utc_A":1490210867,"created_at_utc_B":1490203936,"score_A":76,"score_B":53,"human_ref_A":"I have a lot of friends there. Work till you burn out, or find a fragile equilibrium. If you like working around 60 hrs\/week and want to get into those fields it's not bad, but It's far from my ideal job or first choice for an aerospace company. Designing bolts on a spaceship is no more exciting than designing bolts on a shopping cart.","human_ref_B":"The gossip is that they work their engineers (and likely everyone else) very, very hard. Nothing wrong with that, except that the employees burn out and many of them leave. For many companies, that would be a huge problem because you can lose a lot of 'tribal knowledge' when experienced employees (especially engineers) leave. It can also be hard to attract good quality replacements. Musk's companies, on the other hand, probably don't have a problem attracting new engineers. You are proof of that. As for losing knowledge when people leave, that can be prevented if the company is proactive about how it handles it's information. If tasks are handled by more people and if those people are fully aware of what others are doing, then it's not a big deal if one of them leaves. More likely, they do a very good job of documenting everything. That way, the vast majority of their knowledge would be digitally stored somewhere, and not locked up inside someone's head.....which is actually a pretty big problem for many companies. So to answer your question....I guess that it is realistic, because they go through engineers and will be needing more. But at the same time, there are still a lot of people wanting those jobs so it will be competitive. Keep those grades up.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6931.0,"score_ratio":1.4339622642} +{"post_id":"60vot8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Any engineers here who work for Elon Musk? What is your experience? I am currently in school for engineering. I would like to one day work on one of Elon Musk's projects ( tunnels, SpaceX, etc...) and am wondering how realistic or idealistic that would be.","c_root_id_A":"df9vay5","c_root_id_B":"df9w8b5","created_at_utc_A":1490209887,"created_at_utc_B":1490210867,"score_A":12,"score_B":76,"human_ref_A":"You might want to check out Glass Door to get a feel for what the work environment is like. Just keep in mind there is no verification that these posts or their claims are legit.","human_ref_B":"I have a lot of friends there. Work till you burn out, or find a fragile equilibrium. If you like working around 60 hrs\/week and want to get into those fields it's not bad, but It's far from my ideal job or first choice for an aerospace company. Designing bolts on a spaceship is no more exciting than designing bolts on a shopping cart.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":980.0,"score_ratio":6.3333333333} +{"post_id":"60vot8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Any engineers here who work for Elon Musk? What is your experience? I am currently in school for engineering. I would like to one day work on one of Elon Musk's projects ( tunnels, SpaceX, etc...) and am wondering how realistic or idealistic that would be.","c_root_id_A":"df9w8b5","c_root_id_B":"df9p9wl","created_at_utc_A":1490210867,"created_at_utc_B":1490203610,"score_A":76,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I have a lot of friends there. Work till you burn out, or find a fragile equilibrium. If you like working around 60 hrs\/week and want to get into those fields it's not bad, but It's far from my ideal job or first choice for an aerospace company. Designing bolts on a spaceship is no more exciting than designing bolts on a shopping cart.","human_ref_B":"It's a trap!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7257.0,"score_ratio":8.4444444444} +{"post_id":"60vot8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Any engineers here who work for Elon Musk? What is your experience? I am currently in school for engineering. I would like to one day work on one of Elon Musk's projects ( tunnels, SpaceX, etc...) and am wondering how realistic or idealistic that would be.","c_root_id_A":"df9p9wl","c_root_id_B":"df9pljo","created_at_utc_A":1490203610,"created_at_utc_B":1490203936,"score_A":9,"score_B":53,"human_ref_A":"It's a trap!","human_ref_B":"The gossip is that they work their engineers (and likely everyone else) very, very hard. Nothing wrong with that, except that the employees burn out and many of them leave. For many companies, that would be a huge problem because you can lose a lot of 'tribal knowledge' when experienced employees (especially engineers) leave. It can also be hard to attract good quality replacements. Musk's companies, on the other hand, probably don't have a problem attracting new engineers. You are proof of that. As for losing knowledge when people leave, that can be prevented if the company is proactive about how it handles it's information. If tasks are handled by more people and if those people are fully aware of what others are doing, then it's not a big deal if one of them leaves. More likely, they do a very good job of documenting everything. That way, the vast majority of their knowledge would be digitally stored somewhere, and not locked up inside someone's head.....which is actually a pretty big problem for many companies. So to answer your question....I guess that it is realistic, because they go through engineers and will be needing more. But at the same time, there are still a lot of people wanting those jobs so it will be competitive. Keep those grades up.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":326.0,"score_ratio":5.8888888889} +{"post_id":"60vot8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Any engineers here who work for Elon Musk? What is your experience? I am currently in school for engineering. I would like to one day work on one of Elon Musk's projects ( tunnels, SpaceX, etc...) and am wondering how realistic or idealistic that would be.","c_root_id_A":"dfaa0fl","c_root_id_B":"df9vay5","created_at_utc_A":1490226544,"created_at_utc_B":1490209887,"score_A":19,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"It's not as bad as people typically say. There's definitely periods where I'll need to work 70+ hours in a week, but I usually put in 50-55 which I think is reasonable. I'm married with kids so having a good balance with home life is important, and I think I manage that most weeks. Knowing how to \"work smarter, not harder\" is a big part of succeeding. Some people find themselves dumping a lot of hours into something mundane or boring or repetitive and continue doing it week in and week out until they get burned out from the excessive hours. Others will take the initiative to find a way to automate or streamline the task even if it means working a few more hours up front to develop some new code or tooling so that they can instead focus on the exciting stuff. You also have to go in with the mindset that no one is going to spoon feed you training or information. If you don't know how to do something or how something works, it's entirely on to you build relationships with members of other teams, ask questions, read through documentation, or occasionally learn a new skill.","human_ref_B":"You might want to check out Glass Door to get a feel for what the work environment is like. Just keep in mind there is no verification that these posts or their claims are legit.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16657.0,"score_ratio":1.5833333333} +{"post_id":"60vot8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Any engineers here who work for Elon Musk? What is your experience? I am currently in school for engineering. I would like to one day work on one of Elon Musk's projects ( tunnels, SpaceX, etc...) and am wondering how realistic or idealistic that would be.","c_root_id_A":"df9p9wl","c_root_id_B":"dfaa0fl","created_at_utc_A":1490203610,"created_at_utc_B":1490226544,"score_A":9,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"It's a trap!","human_ref_B":"It's not as bad as people typically say. There's definitely periods where I'll need to work 70+ hours in a week, but I usually put in 50-55 which I think is reasonable. I'm married with kids so having a good balance with home life is important, and I think I manage that most weeks. Knowing how to \"work smarter, not harder\" is a big part of succeeding. Some people find themselves dumping a lot of hours into something mundane or boring or repetitive and continue doing it week in and week out until they get burned out from the excessive hours. Others will take the initiative to find a way to automate or streamline the task even if it means working a few more hours up front to develop some new code or tooling so that they can instead focus on the exciting stuff. You also have to go in with the mindset that no one is going to spoon feed you training or information. If you don't know how to do something or how something works, it's entirely on to you build relationships with members of other teams, ask questions, read through documentation, or occasionally learn a new skill.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22934.0,"score_ratio":2.1111111111} +{"post_id":"60vot8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Any engineers here who work for Elon Musk? What is your experience? I am currently in school for engineering. I would like to one day work on one of Elon Musk's projects ( tunnels, SpaceX, etc...) and am wondering how realistic or idealistic that would be.","c_root_id_A":"df9xmt0","c_root_id_B":"dfaa0fl","created_at_utc_A":1490212337,"created_at_utc_B":1490226544,"score_A":9,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"From what Ive heard: shitty hours for not that great of comp package","human_ref_B":"It's not as bad as people typically say. There's definitely periods where I'll need to work 70+ hours in a week, but I usually put in 50-55 which I think is reasonable. I'm married with kids so having a good balance with home life is important, and I think I manage that most weeks. Knowing how to \"work smarter, not harder\" is a big part of succeeding. Some people find themselves dumping a lot of hours into something mundane or boring or repetitive and continue doing it week in and week out until they get burned out from the excessive hours. Others will take the initiative to find a way to automate or streamline the task even if it means working a few more hours up front to develop some new code or tooling so that they can instead focus on the exciting stuff. You also have to go in with the mindset that no one is going to spoon feed you training or information. If you don't know how to do something or how something works, it's entirely on to you build relationships with members of other teams, ask questions, read through documentation, or occasionally learn a new skill.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14207.0,"score_ratio":2.1111111111} +{"post_id":"60vot8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Any engineers here who work for Elon Musk? What is your experience? I am currently in school for engineering. I would like to one day work on one of Elon Musk's projects ( tunnels, SpaceX, etc...) and am wondering how realistic or idealistic that would be.","c_root_id_A":"df9wawt","c_root_id_B":"dfaa0fl","created_at_utc_A":1490210944,"created_at_utc_B":1490226544,"score_A":9,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"The things you will need to be a good applicant to a Musk company is >=3.5 GPA and as much technical project experience as you can get. They love any extra curriculars that you demonstrated leadership in a technical role.","human_ref_B":"It's not as bad as people typically say. There's definitely periods where I'll need to work 70+ hours in a week, but I usually put in 50-55 which I think is reasonable. I'm married with kids so having a good balance with home life is important, and I think I manage that most weeks. Knowing how to \"work smarter, not harder\" is a big part of succeeding. Some people find themselves dumping a lot of hours into something mundane or boring or repetitive and continue doing it week in and week out until they get burned out from the excessive hours. Others will take the initiative to find a way to automate or streamline the task even if it means working a few more hours up front to develop some new code or tooling so that they can instead focus on the exciting stuff. You also have to go in with the mindset that no one is going to spoon feed you training or information. If you don't know how to do something or how something works, it's entirely on to you build relationships with members of other teams, ask questions, read through documentation, or occasionally learn a new skill.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15600.0,"score_ratio":2.1111111111} +{"post_id":"60vot8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Any engineers here who work for Elon Musk? What is your experience? I am currently in school for engineering. I would like to one day work on one of Elon Musk's projects ( tunnels, SpaceX, etc...) and am wondering how realistic or idealistic that would be.","c_root_id_A":"df9vay5","c_root_id_B":"df9p9wl","created_at_utc_A":1490209887,"created_at_utc_B":1490203610,"score_A":12,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"You might want to check out Glass Door to get a feel for what the work environment is like. Just keep in mind there is no verification that these posts or their claims are legit.","human_ref_B":"It's a trap!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6277.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"m72dak","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Why don't electric cars have mechanical gearboxes like in combustion engine drivetrains? United Kingdom","c_root_id_A":"gr8tyc7","c_root_id_B":"gr8ucme","created_at_utc_A":1615994381,"created_at_utc_B":1615994564,"score_A":18,"score_B":74,"human_ref_A":"They do, like this just not a transmission. Electric motors have a wide operating range, as others pointed out.","human_ref_B":"To expand on the other answer any engine has torque vs rpm and efficiency vs rpm curves so at different rpm they\u2019ll have a varying torque and efficiency. ICE\u2019s only have good torque and efficiency over a very narrow rpm range so a gearbox is needed to keep the engine running near that rpm. Most electric drives tend to have much wider bands where the torque is high and so is efficiency so it\u2019s not necessary to have a gearbox because the motor has good performance across all speeds","labels":0,"seconds_difference":183.0,"score_ratio":4.1111111111} +{"post_id":"m72dak","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Why don't electric cars have mechanical gearboxes like in combustion engine drivetrains? United Kingdom","c_root_id_A":"gr9gr5k","c_root_id_B":"gr951h1","created_at_utc_A":1616004480,"created_at_utc_B":1615999315,"score_A":11,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"They do! They typically have a one speed planetary gear reduction to drop the motor speed down to wheel (1000s rpm down to 100s rpm). Some have a two speed gearbox that allows the motor to stay in a more optimal operating range. Electric cars can get away with this because their efficiency across different loads and speeds is very consistent... So when your driving down the highway at a constant speed the motor is still very efficient even though it's not producing very much power. Internal combustion engines tend to get much less efficient at low loads at high speeds, so you use a transmission to drop the speed down when you are driving at a steady state.","human_ref_B":"Some do, for instance Porsche Taycan (or whatever is the name) has 2 speed gearbox. It is true that you can get by without one but you loose some efficiency. Gearboxes are expensive so it is hard to justify it if it only provides few % improvement.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5165.0,"score_ratio":2.75} +{"post_id":"m72dak","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Why don't electric cars have mechanical gearboxes like in combustion engine drivetrains? United Kingdom","c_root_id_A":"gr9gr5k","c_root_id_B":"gr95sz4","created_at_utc_A":1616004480,"created_at_utc_B":1615999652,"score_A":11,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"They do! They typically have a one speed planetary gear reduction to drop the motor speed down to wheel (1000s rpm down to 100s rpm). Some have a two speed gearbox that allows the motor to stay in a more optimal operating range. Electric cars can get away with this because their efficiency across different loads and speeds is very consistent... So when your driving down the highway at a constant speed the motor is still very efficient even though it's not producing very much power. Internal combustion engines tend to get much less efficient at low loads at high speeds, so you use a transmission to drop the speed down when you are driving at a steady state.","human_ref_B":"Efficiency! Why spend your energy turning excess hardware when you can use that power for more speed efficiency. While you can do it for a any variety of reasons (increase torque, step down RPMs, etc), most electric motors right now can be adapted without a transmission because they don't really have a peak powerbands\/torque bands. Electric motors have a torque band like a step function so they don't really need torque multiplication and have RPMs to adequate turn the wheels at a decent speed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4828.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} +{"post_id":"m72dak","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Why don't electric cars have mechanical gearboxes like in combustion engine drivetrains? United Kingdom","c_root_id_A":"gr95sz4","c_root_id_B":"gr9p3gu","created_at_utc_A":1615999652,"created_at_utc_B":1616008167,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Efficiency! Why spend your energy turning excess hardware when you can use that power for more speed efficiency. While you can do it for a any variety of reasons (increase torque, step down RPMs, etc), most electric motors right now can be adapted without a transmission because they don't really have a peak powerbands\/torque bands. Electric motors have a torque band like a step function so they don't really need torque multiplication and have RPMs to adequate turn the wheels at a decent speed.","human_ref_B":"Actually, they do. Reason being it's more cost-efficient to have large motor in the middle of the car with a good balance of torque and speed and drive the wheels via reduction gearing, than to have immensely torquey motors in the wheels that drive the wheels directly without gearing. A motor that makes more torque means bigger, heaver magnets and windings, so it's actually cheaper and lighter to achieve the torque to drive the wheels by gearing down a smaller, less-torquey, high-revving motor because gears are cheaper than motors. Now, the reason electric cars only have one or two gear ratios (as opposed to 5, 6, 7 or 8 \"gears\" in normal engine-driven cars) is because an electric motor has a very wide range over which it develops most of its useful power and torque. A typical motor might have an effective rev range of 0 to 18,0000 rpm, which is more than enough to get a car from zero to 150mph with just one gear. Higher-end super high-powered and fast electric cars (tesla roadster, porsche's new inventions) use two speeds because the speed range is so large that they get a significant performance benefit from having two speeds - one for strong acceleration up to about 150mph, and the second to take the top speed to 200mph and above. Meanwhile, a small petrol engine has a usable rev range of only 900 to 5500 rpm, and you need to keep it below 2000rpm to get decent economy - so you end up with 5 to 8 speeds. On an even bigger extreme, large truck engines (like the 16-liter 6-cylinder Diesel in the Volvo FH16 that makes 750bhp) have very very narrow rev ranges - just 1,000 to 2,300rpm. And the sweet spot is only 1000-1500rpm. So you end up with 12 gears, and sometimes up to 18 gears. Partly because of the low rev range, and partly because all those ratios are needed to actually be able to haul a 25-ton container up a reasonably steep hill. And yet diesel-electric locomotives, despite being hundreds of times heavier than trucks, don't have selectable\/different gear ratios at all, because their engine drives a generator which powers a motor which drives the wheels. So the engine works at its optimum speed constantly, and the motor's wide useful rev range caters for whatever the terrain or the load or weather conditions are throwing at it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8515.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"82k9er","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Experienced Mechanical Design Engineers of Reddit, what advice do you have for someone who is just getting started in the field?","c_root_id_A":"dvas9is","c_root_id_B":"dvatn7u","created_at_utc_A":1520387383,"created_at_utc_B":1520388837,"score_A":6,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Learn CAD.","human_ref_B":"Look at everything and think about why features are the way they are. Why did they choose that size bolt, why is it made from that material, etc.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1454.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667} +{"post_id":"82k9er","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Experienced Mechanical Design Engineers of Reddit, what advice do you have for someone who is just getting started in the field?","c_root_id_A":"dvatl40","c_root_id_B":"dvatn7u","created_at_utc_A":1520388775,"created_at_utc_B":1520388837,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Ask for help. Give thanks when you get it. Stay curious. Know that when you have the answer it's not the only one.","human_ref_B":"Look at everything and think about why features are the way they are. Why did they choose that size bolt, why is it made from that material, etc.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":62.0,"score_ratio":6.5} +{"post_id":"82k9er","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Experienced Mechanical Design Engineers of Reddit, what advice do you have for someone who is just getting started in the field?","c_root_id_A":"dvas9is","c_root_id_B":"dvax6uc","created_at_utc_A":1520387383,"created_at_utc_B":1520392564,"score_A":6,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Learn CAD.","human_ref_B":"Do not immediately jump to motors, actuators, electronics, etc. to solve tricky mechanism problems! Don\u2019t get me wrong, mechatronic designs have their place, but many of us in mechanism design are too eager make the (often very \u201ccostly\u201d) trade to solve problems with more servos or steppers. The coolest, most robust mechanism designs I\u2019ve seen are so because they fulfill their function without making this trade. It\u2019s amazing what can be done with linkages and clever sliding interfaces.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5181.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"82k9er","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Experienced Mechanical Design Engineers of Reddit, what advice do you have for someone who is just getting started in the field?","c_root_id_A":"dvax6uc","c_root_id_B":"dvatl40","created_at_utc_A":1520392564,"created_at_utc_B":1520388775,"score_A":10,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Do not immediately jump to motors, actuators, electronics, etc. to solve tricky mechanism problems! Don\u2019t get me wrong, mechatronic designs have their place, but many of us in mechanism design are too eager make the (often very \u201ccostly\u201d) trade to solve problems with more servos or steppers. The coolest, most robust mechanism designs I\u2019ve seen are so because they fulfill their function without making this trade. It\u2019s amazing what can be done with linkages and clever sliding interfaces.","human_ref_B":"Ask for help. Give thanks when you get it. Stay curious. Know that when you have the answer it's not the only one.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3789.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"82k9er","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Experienced Mechanical Design Engineers of Reddit, what advice do you have for someone who is just getting started in the field?","c_root_id_A":"dvaz6dv","c_root_id_B":"dvas9is","created_at_utc_A":1520394825,"created_at_utc_B":1520387383,"score_A":9,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Learn GD&T. It's more than just adding the correct symbols to your callouts. Always try to make a design with the worst case scenario in mind.","human_ref_B":"Learn CAD.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7442.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"82k9er","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Experienced Mechanical Design Engineers of Reddit, what advice do you have for someone who is just getting started in the field?","c_root_id_A":"dvatl40","c_root_id_B":"dvaz6dv","created_at_utc_A":1520388775,"created_at_utc_B":1520394825,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Ask for help. Give thanks when you get it. Stay curious. Know that when you have the answer it's not the only one.","human_ref_B":"Learn GD&T. It's more than just adding the correct symbols to your callouts. Always try to make a design with the worst case scenario in mind.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6050.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"82k9er","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Experienced Mechanical Design Engineers of Reddit, what advice do you have for someone who is just getting started in the field?","c_root_id_A":"dvatl40","c_root_id_B":"dvb0nz8","created_at_utc_A":1520388775,"created_at_utc_B":1520396626,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Ask for help. Give thanks when you get it. Stay curious. Know that when you have the answer it's not the only one.","human_ref_B":"Never discount what other engineering disciplines tell you. Maybe you are (or will be) an expert in mechanical design. But manufacturing engineers and quality engineers are (or may be) experts in their fields too. In a setting where you have to work with other disciplines, taking into account the whole picture could be beneficial. Maybe one minor design change could make it that much easier to produce or make a better quality product. Don't get stubborn and say \"this is exactly how this product needs to be produced.\" Looking critically at the design, while taking into account the opinions of others will truly make you that much better of an engineer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7851.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"82k9er","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Experienced Mechanical Design Engineers of Reddit, what advice do you have for someone who is just getting started in the field?","c_root_id_A":"dvb0a7v","c_root_id_B":"dvb0nz8","created_at_utc_A":1520396144,"created_at_utc_B":1520396626,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Fundamentals!!! Don\u2019t get intimidated by a problem at first glance. There are a few laws that almost every problem comes back to: Conservation of Mass\/Energy\/Momentum and Newton\u2019s Laws (additionally, the force balance for dynamics: [m]{a} +[c]{v} + [k]{x} = F(t)). If you can break down the problem and understand the basics, you\u2019ll save yourself a LOT of grief, especially if you immediately resort to jumping into an analysis package and trying to solve the problem with brute force. As they say, garbage in, garbage out. Also, being able to effectively communicate an idea is key. Being well versed in CAD and presenting designs with a 3D model will save a lot of wasted time trying to catch someone up to speed with pen and paper. Most importantly, have fun and enjoy what you do! It\u2019s an incredible field. Best of luck!","human_ref_B":"Never discount what other engineering disciplines tell you. Maybe you are (or will be) an expert in mechanical design. But manufacturing engineers and quality engineers are (or may be) experts in their fields too. In a setting where you have to work with other disciplines, taking into account the whole picture could be beneficial. Maybe one minor design change could make it that much easier to produce or make a better quality product. Don't get stubborn and say \"this is exactly how this product needs to be produced.\" Looking critically at the design, while taking into account the opinions of others will truly make you that much better of an engineer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":482.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"82k9er","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Experienced Mechanical Design Engineers of Reddit, what advice do you have for someone who is just getting started in the field?","c_root_id_A":"dvatl40","c_root_id_B":"dvbk5b5","created_at_utc_A":1520388775,"created_at_utc_B":1520432355,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Ask for help. Give thanks when you get it. Stay curious. Know that when you have the answer it's not the only one.","human_ref_B":"Learn mandarin.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":43580.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"82k9er","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Experienced Mechanical Design Engineers of Reddit, what advice do you have for someone who is just getting started in the field?","c_root_id_A":"dvb0a7v","c_root_id_B":"dvbk5b5","created_at_utc_A":1520396144,"created_at_utc_B":1520432355,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Fundamentals!!! Don\u2019t get intimidated by a problem at first glance. There are a few laws that almost every problem comes back to: Conservation of Mass\/Energy\/Momentum and Newton\u2019s Laws (additionally, the force balance for dynamics: [m]{a} +[c]{v} + [k]{x} = F(t)). If you can break down the problem and understand the basics, you\u2019ll save yourself a LOT of grief, especially if you immediately resort to jumping into an analysis package and trying to solve the problem with brute force. As they say, garbage in, garbage out. Also, being able to effectively communicate an idea is key. Being well versed in CAD and presenting designs with a 3D model will save a lot of wasted time trying to catch someone up to speed with pen and paper. Most importantly, have fun and enjoy what you do! It\u2019s an incredible field. Best of luck!","human_ref_B":"Learn mandarin.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":36211.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"82k9er","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Experienced Mechanical Design Engineers of Reddit, what advice do you have for someone who is just getting started in the field?","c_root_id_A":"dvbk5b5","c_root_id_B":"dvb1ttt","created_at_utc_A":1520432355,"created_at_utc_B":1520398129,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Learn mandarin.","human_ref_B":"Come in early and stay late, that is when most decisions are made and if you're there you will eventually be asked to participate. Also try to be be available for business dinners. I'm not saying you need to sacrifice your life for work. Rather I find that no one notices if I take a 3 hour lunch or go out at 10 for a late breakfast, and the time at your desk doesn't have to be productive if reddit is accessible. It's more a matter of time shifting to get the most advantage.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":34226.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"82k9er","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Experienced Mechanical Design Engineers of Reddit, what advice do you have for someone who is just getting started in the field?","c_root_id_A":"dvbk5b5","c_root_id_B":"dvb351q","created_at_utc_A":1520432355,"created_at_utc_B":1520399973,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Learn mandarin.","human_ref_B":"Think about the guy turning the wrench before it leaves and 20 yrs from now. There is also an elegance to mechanical design that is poorly taught but should be thought of.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":32382.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"pg5kd6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How do you deal with failures? I've been assigned to lead the development of a new product on my company and it's my first experience leading a project. After months of hard work, we couldn't came up with a solution that satisfied our client. They rejected our ideas two times already, and I'm beginning to feel like a failure even though my supervisors are telling me I'm doing a good job. Have you ever been in this position? How did you deal with your failures?","c_root_id_A":"hb940tp","c_root_id_B":"hb9mq0l","created_at_utc_A":1630540897,"created_at_utc_B":1630549608,"score_A":3,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I bring my boss the solution I\u2019m ready to implement along with the badnews","human_ref_B":"Jokingly justify it as \"at least we're getting the bad ideas out of the way.\" And then come back the next day with a new concept. (Timeline may not be exact, and there may be some stress induced drinking mixed in.)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8711.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"pg5kd6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How do you deal with failures? I've been assigned to lead the development of a new product on my company and it's my first experience leading a project. After months of hard work, we couldn't came up with a solution that satisfied our client. They rejected our ideas two times already, and I'm beginning to feel like a failure even though my supervisors are telling me I'm doing a good job. Have you ever been in this position? How did you deal with your failures?","c_root_id_A":"hb940tp","c_root_id_B":"hb9o4oy","created_at_utc_A":1630540897,"created_at_utc_B":1630550310,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I bring my boss the solution I\u2019m ready to implement along with the badnews","human_ref_B":"There have been many times I've repeatedly banged my head against a problem and wasted days, weeks, or months of time. And then I come up with a really good solution or things finally work and I think to myself \"Why couldn't I have done that on day 1?\" But it's really damn hard to create something good without the background knowledge and experience that you get by struggling with something. So push past the failure, learn what you can, and try to do a better job the next time around","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9413.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"pg5kd6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How do you deal with failures? I've been assigned to lead the development of a new product on my company and it's my first experience leading a project. After months of hard work, we couldn't came up with a solution that satisfied our client. They rejected our ideas two times already, and I'm beginning to feel like a failure even though my supervisors are telling me I'm doing a good job. Have you ever been in this position? How did you deal with your failures?","c_root_id_A":"hbacn2f","c_root_id_B":"hbakxnw","created_at_utc_A":1630565287,"created_at_utc_B":1630572365,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I like presenting my clients with several options\/strategy for how to accomplish the problem and then discuss tradeoffs, costing, manufacturing considerations, lead times, scalability etc. Only after we hash out the big picture details we start chasing the solution driven by the constraints and compromises. That way we can learn the most and converge on what the client actually wants the fastest, and then sprint to the solution based on the actual constraints. Once mostly finished, the client changes their mind and we restart the process.","human_ref_B":"\u201cendeavor to persevere\u201d","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7078.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"pg5kd6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How do you deal with failures? I've been assigned to lead the development of a new product on my company and it's my first experience leading a project. After months of hard work, we couldn't came up with a solution that satisfied our client. They rejected our ideas two times already, and I'm beginning to feel like a failure even though my supervisors are telling me I'm doing a good job. Have you ever been in this position? How did you deal with your failures?","c_root_id_A":"hbacn2f","c_root_id_B":"hbb2uf1","created_at_utc_A":1630565287,"created_at_utc_B":1630585423,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I like presenting my clients with several options\/strategy for how to accomplish the problem and then discuss tradeoffs, costing, manufacturing considerations, lead times, scalability etc. Only after we hash out the big picture details we start chasing the solution driven by the constraints and compromises. That way we can learn the most and converge on what the client actually wants the fastest, and then sprint to the solution based on the actual constraints. Once mostly finished, the client changes their mind and we restart the process.","human_ref_B":"It\u2019s your first experience. Whether you fail or succeed, it is all a learning process and you should treat it as such.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20136.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"h0tux","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"For the Engineers of AskEngineers I received three requests to make changes to the CSS to allow real engineer's profession to display alongside their name (\/science, \/askscience does this). The more I think about it though, the more I think required recognition pretty much ends when you get into the real world. In academia, people call each other Doctor, and quote their qualifications prior to answering a question (sometimes even prior to asking). In my life as an engineer, I almost never state my qualifications or demand them of others. For me an answer that is logical, includes math, and follows sound engineering principles and\/or practical experience. Also in general, I like the idea that a lurker can come in post with sound math, logic, etc, and not have to be verified as an Engineer. In general though engineers practice \"applied science\" and in the real world- outside of a lab, what you say, your experience, and your logic says more than your title. (My thoughts) So- my question to AskEngineers- what are your thoughts? Do you ask engineers for their qualifications? Is that something you'd like to see here? Also if you have any other suggestions for this sub please let me know!","c_root_id_A":"c1rqeny","c_root_id_B":"c1rqibt","created_at_utc_A":1304173360,"created_at_utc_B":1304175509,"score_A":4,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like an ego thing to me. But i'm not an engineer.","human_ref_B":"I like the idea of good engineering advice being voted up for its merits and not because an Engineer III or Senior Materials Engineer posted it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2149.0,"score_ratio":4.25} +{"post_id":"h0tux","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"For the Engineers of AskEngineers I received three requests to make changes to the CSS to allow real engineer's profession to display alongside their name (\/science, \/askscience does this). The more I think about it though, the more I think required recognition pretty much ends when you get into the real world. In academia, people call each other Doctor, and quote their qualifications prior to answering a question (sometimes even prior to asking). In my life as an engineer, I almost never state my qualifications or demand them of others. For me an answer that is logical, includes math, and follows sound engineering principles and\/or practical experience. Also in general, I like the idea that a lurker can come in post with sound math, logic, etc, and not have to be verified as an Engineer. In general though engineers practice \"applied science\" and in the real world- outside of a lab, what you say, your experience, and your logic says more than your title. (My thoughts) So- my question to AskEngineers- what are your thoughts? Do you ask engineers for their qualifications? Is that something you'd like to see here? Also if you have any other suggestions for this sub please let me know!","c_root_id_A":"c1rs0e2","c_root_id_B":"c1rqeny","created_at_utc_A":1304198298,"created_at_utc_B":1304173360,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I would prefer to have the profession displayed. It works great in \/askscience because it indicates whether the person asking is qualified to answer the question. This being reddit there are plenty of tech-savy non-engineers who may or may not know what they're talking about. Relying on upvote count only reflects what this the posts readers think is correct\/agree with. Knowing whether or not the poster is an engineer and whether their are of expertise is relevant to the question is valuable. Of course, as happens in askscience there are plenty of great answers from non-panelists, and those quite often get upvoted. But having posts marked as being from actual experts can separate the real answers from the noise, particularly when the question involves an area where a layperson is likely to have some knowledge. Again, this being \/AskEngineers and this being reddit, I think that scenario will be fairly common.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like an ego thing to me. But i'm not an engineer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24938.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"h0tux","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"For the Engineers of AskEngineers I received three requests to make changes to the CSS to allow real engineer's profession to display alongside their name (\/science, \/askscience does this). The more I think about it though, the more I think required recognition pretty much ends when you get into the real world. In academia, people call each other Doctor, and quote their qualifications prior to answering a question (sometimes even prior to asking). In my life as an engineer, I almost never state my qualifications or demand them of others. For me an answer that is logical, includes math, and follows sound engineering principles and\/or practical experience. Also in general, I like the idea that a lurker can come in post with sound math, logic, etc, and not have to be verified as an Engineer. In general though engineers practice \"applied science\" and in the real world- outside of a lab, what you say, your experience, and your logic says more than your title. (My thoughts) So- my question to AskEngineers- what are your thoughts? Do you ask engineers for their qualifications? Is that something you'd like to see here? Also if you have any other suggestions for this sub please let me know!","c_root_id_A":"c1rqeny","c_root_id_B":"c1rt83e","created_at_utc_A":1304173360,"created_at_utc_B":1304216276,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like an ego thing to me. But i'm not an engineer.","human_ref_B":"Whenever I'm out socializing and I bump into a fellow engineer, I always ask what is their field. I would trust a EE over a ME almost everytime when dealing with EE questions.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":42916.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"h0tux","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"For the Engineers of AskEngineers I received three requests to make changes to the CSS to allow real engineer's profession to display alongside their name (\/science, \/askscience does this). The more I think about it though, the more I think required recognition pretty much ends when you get into the real world. In academia, people call each other Doctor, and quote their qualifications prior to answering a question (sometimes even prior to asking). In my life as an engineer, I almost never state my qualifications or demand them of others. For me an answer that is logical, includes math, and follows sound engineering principles and\/or practical experience. Also in general, I like the idea that a lurker can come in post with sound math, logic, etc, and not have to be verified as an Engineer. In general though engineers practice \"applied science\" and in the real world- outside of a lab, what you say, your experience, and your logic says more than your title. (My thoughts) So- my question to AskEngineers- what are your thoughts? Do you ask engineers for their qualifications? Is that something you'd like to see here? Also if you have any other suggestions for this sub please let me know!","c_root_id_A":"c1rt83e","c_root_id_B":"c1rs69h","created_at_utc_A":1304216276,"created_at_utc_B":1304200542,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Whenever I'm out socializing and I bump into a fellow engineer, I always ask what is their field. I would trust a EE over a ME almost everytime when dealing with EE questions.","human_ref_B":"I think, rather than having profession listed, we should list experience, i.e. Aeronautical Design Engineer, 12 years or Automotive Engineer, 6 years. I feel like experience is more important than title in the case of engineering. The reason I am advocating for this is because I worry about an inexperienced engineer or non-engineer posting a response with a link to a questionable or bullshit source and playing it off as a real answer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15734.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"h0tux","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"For the Engineers of AskEngineers I received three requests to make changes to the CSS to allow real engineer's profession to display alongside their name (\/science, \/askscience does this). The more I think about it though, the more I think required recognition pretty much ends when you get into the real world. In academia, people call each other Doctor, and quote their qualifications prior to answering a question (sometimes even prior to asking). In my life as an engineer, I almost never state my qualifications or demand them of others. For me an answer that is logical, includes math, and follows sound engineering principles and\/or practical experience. Also in general, I like the idea that a lurker can come in post with sound math, logic, etc, and not have to be verified as an Engineer. In general though engineers practice \"applied science\" and in the real world- outside of a lab, what you say, your experience, and your logic says more than your title. (My thoughts) So- my question to AskEngineers- what are your thoughts? Do you ask engineers for their qualifications? Is that something you'd like to see here? Also if you have any other suggestions for this sub please let me know!","c_root_id_A":"c1rqeny","c_root_id_B":"c1rs23a","created_at_utc_A":1304173360,"created_at_utc_B":1304198946,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like an ego thing to me. But i'm not an engineer.","human_ref_B":"Well, I can easily see both sides of the argument here. Tags can be abused, people can just see a tag and assume the person is correct and not really check the response to make sure its correct. Its a bit of dick-waving. However, I think *this* subreddit is more suited to tags than many because I think A LOT of the questions shouldn't have a definitive answer. If someone posts a question about what they should do to stop the erosion in their yard, there's at least 2 different solutions that will work. If two people post different solutions with all other things equal, someone having a related tag would help. Yes the post should be judged based on its content, but the source should be credible too. I'm NOT saying people without engineering degrees aren't credible, but I would think that those with tags should be held to a higher standard. I know that there have been a few times when I disagree with something a tagged person said in askscience, I'd call them on it (respectfully) so either I can find out where I'm wrong, or they see that they are. If they don't have a tag, usually I'll just downvote (as speculation) and leave it at that.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25586.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"h0tux","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"For the Engineers of AskEngineers I received three requests to make changes to the CSS to allow real engineer's profession to display alongside their name (\/science, \/askscience does this). The more I think about it though, the more I think required recognition pretty much ends when you get into the real world. In academia, people call each other Doctor, and quote their qualifications prior to answering a question (sometimes even prior to asking). In my life as an engineer, I almost never state my qualifications or demand them of others. For me an answer that is logical, includes math, and follows sound engineering principles and\/or practical experience. Also in general, I like the idea that a lurker can come in post with sound math, logic, etc, and not have to be verified as an Engineer. In general though engineers practice \"applied science\" and in the real world- outside of a lab, what you say, your experience, and your logic says more than your title. (My thoughts) So- my question to AskEngineers- what are your thoughts? Do you ask engineers for their qualifications? Is that something you'd like to see here? Also if you have any other suggestions for this sub please let me know!","c_root_id_A":"c1ru15q","c_root_id_B":"c1rs69h","created_at_utc_A":1304228692,"created_at_utc_B":1304200542,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I'm not for it if it were something like one's rank, but if it were just what field one is in (EE\/ME\/AE etc), then I think that would be helpful.","human_ref_B":"I think, rather than having profession listed, we should list experience, i.e. Aeronautical Design Engineer, 12 years or Automotive Engineer, 6 years. I feel like experience is more important than title in the case of engineering. The reason I am advocating for this is because I worry about an inexperienced engineer or non-engineer posting a response with a link to a questionable or bullshit source and playing it off as a real answer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":28150.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8l8xyi","c_root_id_B":"h8ljks5","created_at_utc_A":1628720477,"created_at_utc_B":1628725280,"score_A":10,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Are you planning on pursuing an undergrad in systems engineering? If that\u2019s the case, I would suggest dual majoring or having a strong technical minor. At my company (aerospace) we just don\u2019t have entry level systems engineering jobs. You have to start as a specialized component engineer and understand the ins and outs of what we create, and why, before you can have that wholistic view. I\u2019m not saying it can\u2019t be done, I can only relate my own personal experience. Good luck!","human_ref_B":"\u2018Systems Engineer\u2019 is by far the most broad job title and could mean completely different things depending on the company","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4803.0,"score_ratio":1.3} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8ljks5","c_root_id_B":"h8lit8k","created_at_utc_A":1628725280,"created_at_utc_B":1628724916,"score_A":13,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"\u2018Systems Engineer\u2019 is by far the most broad job title and could mean completely different things depending on the company","human_ref_B":"I work for the government, my job is much more what I would consider system engineering, though I am hired as an \"electronics engineer\", personally, I'm not sure I really like system engineering (but government is very low stress, so I do like my job), which is really you don't actually get to design anything, much more coordinate between groups (and that's why a lot of people say not many entry level jobs, it's typically more of a project manager type job, which is more like a manager though without people below you). Basically, if you're a system engineer, you are never designing anything (which is what an engineer does right?), you get the big picture view, but that's it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":364.0,"score_ratio":1.8571428571} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8ljks5","c_root_id_B":"h8lex6n","created_at_utc_A":1628725280,"created_at_utc_B":1628723132,"score_A":13,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"\u2018Systems Engineer\u2019 is by far the most broad job title and could mean completely different things depending on the company","human_ref_B":"I guess I'm in the majority here, I fully support getting a more technical undergrad (me, ae, ee etc) followed by a systems masters. You'll make a better systems engineer if you have a understanding of the technical engineering you're working on.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2148.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8lyoz4","c_root_id_B":"h8l8xyi","created_at_utc_A":1628732382,"created_at_utc_B":1628720477,"score_A":13,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Not only is it beneficial as a graduate degree, you need significant technical experience before hopping into a System engineering role. Systems engineering can be a huge garbage dump of tasks, depending on where you work, so you have to be careful what you do. You could find yourself pencil-whipping engineers to get status updates on one of 1500 requirements you're tracking, 80% of which you don't understand. There's some very interesting work that falls under the \"Systems Engineering\" heading, but the interesting stuff (At least to me) is the Systems architecture role, taking requirements and allocating performance targets across functional subsystems, trading performance across functional boundaries, but to do that, you need significant technical experience. I suspect as a fresh out systems engineer, you'll be staring at requirement spreadsheets and tracking performance without understanding what the numbers mean. Get a degree, get some specific field experience, then move into a systems role with some chops. You'll develop Systems experience as you grow in a field (EE\/ME\/Aero etc) and get a better understanding. Or, decide that I'm old and out of touch, and grow your career your way. Life is a journey, and we all end up in the same place, so make sure you enjoy the trip and do stuff you enjoy.","human_ref_B":"Are you planning on pursuing an undergrad in systems engineering? If that\u2019s the case, I would suggest dual majoring or having a strong technical minor. At my company (aerospace) we just don\u2019t have entry level systems engineering jobs. You have to start as a specialized component engineer and understand the ins and outs of what we create, and why, before you can have that wholistic view. I\u2019m not saying it can\u2019t be done, I can only relate my own personal experience. Good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11905.0,"score_ratio":1.3} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8lyoz4","c_root_id_B":"h8lr1y9","created_at_utc_A":1628732382,"created_at_utc_B":1628728779,"score_A":13,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Not only is it beneficial as a graduate degree, you need significant technical experience before hopping into a System engineering role. Systems engineering can be a huge garbage dump of tasks, depending on where you work, so you have to be careful what you do. You could find yourself pencil-whipping engineers to get status updates on one of 1500 requirements you're tracking, 80% of which you don't understand. There's some very interesting work that falls under the \"Systems Engineering\" heading, but the interesting stuff (At least to me) is the Systems architecture role, taking requirements and allocating performance targets across functional subsystems, trading performance across functional boundaries, but to do that, you need significant technical experience. I suspect as a fresh out systems engineer, you'll be staring at requirement spreadsheets and tracking performance without understanding what the numbers mean. Get a degree, get some specific field experience, then move into a systems role with some chops. You'll develop Systems experience as you grow in a field (EE\/ME\/Aero etc) and get a better understanding. Or, decide that I'm old and out of touch, and grow your career your way. Life is a journey, and we all end up in the same place, so make sure you enjoy the trip and do stuff you enjoy.","human_ref_B":"Systems is useless even as a graduate degrees. It is too general to be of any use. You can learn on the job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3603.0,"score_ratio":1.4444444444} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8lyoz4","c_root_id_B":"h8lit8k","created_at_utc_A":1628732382,"created_at_utc_B":1628724916,"score_A":13,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Not only is it beneficial as a graduate degree, you need significant technical experience before hopping into a System engineering role. Systems engineering can be a huge garbage dump of tasks, depending on where you work, so you have to be careful what you do. You could find yourself pencil-whipping engineers to get status updates on one of 1500 requirements you're tracking, 80% of which you don't understand. There's some very interesting work that falls under the \"Systems Engineering\" heading, but the interesting stuff (At least to me) is the Systems architecture role, taking requirements and allocating performance targets across functional subsystems, trading performance across functional boundaries, but to do that, you need significant technical experience. I suspect as a fresh out systems engineer, you'll be staring at requirement spreadsheets and tracking performance without understanding what the numbers mean. Get a degree, get some specific field experience, then move into a systems role with some chops. You'll develop Systems experience as you grow in a field (EE\/ME\/Aero etc) and get a better understanding. Or, decide that I'm old and out of touch, and grow your career your way. Life is a journey, and we all end up in the same place, so make sure you enjoy the trip and do stuff you enjoy.","human_ref_B":"I work for the government, my job is much more what I would consider system engineering, though I am hired as an \"electronics engineer\", personally, I'm not sure I really like system engineering (but government is very low stress, so I do like my job), which is really you don't actually get to design anything, much more coordinate between groups (and that's why a lot of people say not many entry level jobs, it's typically more of a project manager type job, which is more like a manager though without people below you). Basically, if you're a system engineer, you are never designing anything (which is what an engineer does right?), you get the big picture view, but that's it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7466.0,"score_ratio":1.8571428571} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8lwb9h","c_root_id_B":"h8lyoz4","created_at_utc_A":1628731264,"created_at_utc_B":1628732382,"score_A":6,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I can\u2019t disagree with this more. EEs and MEs can get system engineering jobs, SEs will have a harder time getting into specific design roles without applicable experience. As far as SE masters, seems like they really focus on process, management, and product life cycle of larger systems. If that\u2019s your choice of tea, awesome, otherwise it\u2019s kind of limiting.","human_ref_B":"Not only is it beneficial as a graduate degree, you need significant technical experience before hopping into a System engineering role. Systems engineering can be a huge garbage dump of tasks, depending on where you work, so you have to be careful what you do. You could find yourself pencil-whipping engineers to get status updates on one of 1500 requirements you're tracking, 80% of which you don't understand. There's some very interesting work that falls under the \"Systems Engineering\" heading, but the interesting stuff (At least to me) is the Systems architecture role, taking requirements and allocating performance targets across functional subsystems, trading performance across functional boundaries, but to do that, you need significant technical experience. I suspect as a fresh out systems engineer, you'll be staring at requirement spreadsheets and tracking performance without understanding what the numbers mean. Get a degree, get some specific field experience, then move into a systems role with some chops. You'll develop Systems experience as you grow in a field (EE\/ME\/Aero etc) and get a better understanding. Or, decide that I'm old and out of touch, and grow your career your way. Life is a journey, and we all end up in the same place, so make sure you enjoy the trip and do stuff you enjoy.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1118.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8lp8aw","c_root_id_B":"h8lyoz4","created_at_utc_A":1628727928,"created_at_utc_B":1628732382,"score_A":6,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve seen systems engineer be a glorified title given to all engineers and I\u2019ve seen systems engineer who do real systems engineering (requirements, systems architecture, change management etc etc). I think systems engineering is a great graduate degree. I may be biased as I am currently getting my masters in it. Even if you have no intention of going into systems engineering, having the ability to see a larger picture and knowing how the systems engineering process works and is carried out throughout an entire project will help you throughout your career if you\u2019re looking to go into any leadership position regardless if it\u2019s a technical leadership role or not.","human_ref_B":"Not only is it beneficial as a graduate degree, you need significant technical experience before hopping into a System engineering role. Systems engineering can be a huge garbage dump of tasks, depending on where you work, so you have to be careful what you do. You could find yourself pencil-whipping engineers to get status updates on one of 1500 requirements you're tracking, 80% of which you don't understand. There's some very interesting work that falls under the \"Systems Engineering\" heading, but the interesting stuff (At least to me) is the Systems architecture role, taking requirements and allocating performance targets across functional subsystems, trading performance across functional boundaries, but to do that, you need significant technical experience. I suspect as a fresh out systems engineer, you'll be staring at requirement spreadsheets and tracking performance without understanding what the numbers mean. Get a degree, get some specific field experience, then move into a systems role with some chops. You'll develop Systems experience as you grow in a field (EE\/ME\/Aero etc) and get a better understanding. Or, decide that I'm old and out of touch, and grow your career your way. Life is a journey, and we all end up in the same place, so make sure you enjoy the trip and do stuff you enjoy.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4454.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8lex6n","c_root_id_B":"h8lyoz4","created_at_utc_A":1628723132,"created_at_utc_B":1628732382,"score_A":3,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I guess I'm in the majority here, I fully support getting a more technical undergrad (me, ae, ee etc) followed by a systems masters. You'll make a better systems engineer if you have a understanding of the technical engineering you're working on.","human_ref_B":"Not only is it beneficial as a graduate degree, you need significant technical experience before hopping into a System engineering role. Systems engineering can be a huge garbage dump of tasks, depending on where you work, so you have to be careful what you do. You could find yourself pencil-whipping engineers to get status updates on one of 1500 requirements you're tracking, 80% of which you don't understand. There's some very interesting work that falls under the \"Systems Engineering\" heading, but the interesting stuff (At least to me) is the Systems architecture role, taking requirements and allocating performance targets across functional subsystems, trading performance across functional boundaries, but to do that, you need significant technical experience. I suspect as a fresh out systems engineer, you'll be staring at requirement spreadsheets and tracking performance without understanding what the numbers mean. Get a degree, get some specific field experience, then move into a systems role with some chops. You'll develop Systems experience as you grow in a field (EE\/ME\/Aero etc) and get a better understanding. Or, decide that I'm old and out of touch, and grow your career your way. Life is a journey, and we all end up in the same place, so make sure you enjoy the trip and do stuff you enjoy.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9250.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8l8xyi","c_root_id_B":"h8lben2","created_at_utc_A":1628720477,"created_at_utc_B":1628721561,"score_A":10,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Are you planning on pursuing an undergrad in systems engineering? If that\u2019s the case, I would suggest dual majoring or having a strong technical minor. At my company (aerospace) we just don\u2019t have entry level systems engineering jobs. You have to start as a specialized component engineer and understand the ins and outs of what we create, and why, before you can have that wholistic view. I\u2019m not saying it can\u2019t be done, I can only relate my own personal experience. Good luck!","human_ref_B":"You can start out as an entry level systems engineer, (I did, 1 year in). Most entry level systems engineers (including me) hate it because you don\u2019t get to do cool stuff and End up just doing bitch work. That\u2019s why I\u2019m trying to switch to a mechanical role","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1084.0,"score_ratio":1.3} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8lr1y9","c_root_id_B":"h8lit8k","created_at_utc_A":1628728779,"created_at_utc_B":1628724916,"score_A":9,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Systems is useless even as a graduate degrees. It is too general to be of any use. You can learn on the job.","human_ref_B":"I work for the government, my job is much more what I would consider system engineering, though I am hired as an \"electronics engineer\", personally, I'm not sure I really like system engineering (but government is very low stress, so I do like my job), which is really you don't actually get to design anything, much more coordinate between groups (and that's why a lot of people say not many entry level jobs, it's typically more of a project manager type job, which is more like a manager though without people below you). Basically, if you're a system engineer, you are never designing anything (which is what an engineer does right?), you get the big picture view, but that's it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3863.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8lp8aw","c_root_id_B":"h8lr1y9","created_at_utc_A":1628727928,"created_at_utc_B":1628728779,"score_A":6,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve seen systems engineer be a glorified title given to all engineers and I\u2019ve seen systems engineer who do real systems engineering (requirements, systems architecture, change management etc etc). I think systems engineering is a great graduate degree. I may be biased as I am currently getting my masters in it. Even if you have no intention of going into systems engineering, having the ability to see a larger picture and knowing how the systems engineering process works and is carried out throughout an entire project will help you throughout your career if you\u2019re looking to go into any leadership position regardless if it\u2019s a technical leadership role or not.","human_ref_B":"Systems is useless even as a graduate degrees. It is too general to be of any use. You can learn on the job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":851.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8lex6n","c_root_id_B":"h8lr1y9","created_at_utc_A":1628723132,"created_at_utc_B":1628728779,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I guess I'm in the majority here, I fully support getting a more technical undergrad (me, ae, ee etc) followed by a systems masters. You'll make a better systems engineer if you have a understanding of the technical engineering you're working on.","human_ref_B":"Systems is useless even as a graduate degrees. It is too general to be of any use. You can learn on the job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5647.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8lit8k","c_root_id_B":"h8lex6n","created_at_utc_A":1628724916,"created_at_utc_B":1628723132,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work for the government, my job is much more what I would consider system engineering, though I am hired as an \"electronics engineer\", personally, I'm not sure I really like system engineering (but government is very low stress, so I do like my job), which is really you don't actually get to design anything, much more coordinate between groups (and that's why a lot of people say not many entry level jobs, it's typically more of a project manager type job, which is more like a manager though without people below you). Basically, if you're a system engineer, you are never designing anything (which is what an engineer does right?), you get the big picture view, but that's it.","human_ref_B":"I guess I'm in the majority here, I fully support getting a more technical undergrad (me, ae, ee etc) followed by a systems masters. You'll make a better systems engineer if you have a understanding of the technical engineering you're working on.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1784.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8lwb9h","c_root_id_B":"h8lex6n","created_at_utc_A":1628731264,"created_at_utc_B":1628723132,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I can\u2019t disagree with this more. EEs and MEs can get system engineering jobs, SEs will have a harder time getting into specific design roles without applicable experience. As far as SE masters, seems like they really focus on process, management, and product life cycle of larger systems. If that\u2019s your choice of tea, awesome, otherwise it\u2019s kind of limiting.","human_ref_B":"I guess I'm in the majority here, I fully support getting a more technical undergrad (me, ae, ee etc) followed by a systems masters. You'll make a better systems engineer if you have a understanding of the technical engineering you're working on.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8132.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"p2nhm1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"Maybe I am in the minority here as I've scoured the internet and it seems the general consensus amongst engineers is that systems engineering is most beneficial as a graduate degree. Personally, I love the big picture, holistic perspective of this discipline as it compliments how I operate well. I","c_root_id_A":"h8lex6n","c_root_id_B":"h8lp8aw","created_at_utc_A":1628723132,"created_at_utc_B":1628727928,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I guess I'm in the majority here, I fully support getting a more technical undergrad (me, ae, ee etc) followed by a systems masters. You'll make a better systems engineer if you have a understanding of the technical engineering you're working on.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019ve seen systems engineer be a glorified title given to all engineers and I\u2019ve seen systems engineer who do real systems engineering (requirements, systems architecture, change management etc etc). I think systems engineering is a great graduate degree. I may be biased as I am currently getting my masters in it. Even if you have no intention of going into systems engineering, having the ability to see a larger picture and knowing how the systems engineering process works and is carried out throughout an entire project will help you throughout your career if you\u2019re looking to go into any leadership position regardless if it\u2019s a technical leadership role or not.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4796.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3nkmwt","c_root_id_B":"e3nhmmx","created_at_utc_A":1533488784,"created_at_utc_B":1533485792,"score_A":147,"score_B":93,"human_ref_A":"Think about how many PHds a college graduates in a year, compared to how many professors they hire in a year. There's your answer.","human_ref_B":"At the Fortune 500 medical device\/med tech company that I work at, yes. It is common for PhDs to work as \u201cregular hands on\u201d engineers in R&D.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2992.0,"score_ratio":1.5806451613} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3ni07a","c_root_id_B":"e3nkmwt","created_at_utc_A":1533486176,"created_at_utc_B":1533488784,"score_A":47,"score_B":147,"human_ref_A":"Well, my father was a hands on guy. While his coworkers knew, his own Office Manager didn't know he had a PhD (he felt that advertising such was pompous and that his work should speak for itself); she knew he was Damned Good, but she thought the \"Dr.\" stuff at his retirement party was an inside joke of some sort. In the same vein I've worked with probably half a dozen other PhDs that got their hands dirty on a regular basis. Hell, I work with two of 'em now and know of several more. Actually, I don't know *ANY* PhDs that just sit at a desk, lecture, etc.","human_ref_B":"Think about how many PHds a college graduates in a year, compared to how many professors they hire in a year. There's your answer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2608.0,"score_ratio":3.1276595745} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3nkmwt","c_root_id_B":"e3njapl","created_at_utc_A":1533488784,"created_at_utc_B":1533487471,"score_A":147,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Think about how many PHds a college graduates in a year, compared to how many professors they hire in a year. There's your answer.","human_ref_B":"I work at a big aerospace company and have found my PhD to be beneficial over just a MS. PhDs are hired directly into research roles and typically expected to write proposals, manage research, etc. MS are the worker bees and, if they're in the right group, they can start to lead projects, though it's way less common. I do occasionally get my hands dirty in the lab still, but I can generally find someone whose time is cheaper to do it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1313.0,"score_ratio":5.0689655172} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3nkmwt","c_root_id_B":"e3nhn2d","created_at_utc_A":1533488784,"created_at_utc_B":1533485804,"score_A":147,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Think about how many PHds a college graduates in a year, compared to how many professors they hire in a year. There's your answer.","human_ref_B":"No, that is not a standard path for someone with a PhD in engineering. There are two primary reasons to go for a PhD; Research or Academia. If your initial goal is not either of these areas, then I believe getting a PhD is a waste of time and possibly one that can overqualify you for some positions. If your intention is to work in industry, then you would be better off getting a MS with a few years experience in the time it would take to get a PhD. So what happens if you planned to enter one of those two areas and found out it was not for you? Not the biggest deal, but you will just not get as much \u201ccredit\u201d on your resume for having a PhD in the outside world. My dad has a PhD and I once asked him why he got it as he is now in industry. I knew that he had worked for several years as a professor, but I never realized until that point that this is what he had planned to do for his career. However, he found the politics of universities to be something that he didn\u2019t want to deal with and ended up leaving academia. Best of luck, Sol Rosenbaum, PE, CEM, CPMP My Blog for Younger Engineers - The Engineering Mentor","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2980.0,"score_ratio":24.5} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3nj27p","c_root_id_B":"e3nkmwt","created_at_utc_A":1533487237,"created_at_utc_B":1533488784,"score_A":6,"score_B":147,"human_ref_A":"Not the \u201cnormal\u201d path, but I have personally worked with numerous PhD\u2019s in hands-on engineering roles.","human_ref_B":"Think about how many PHds a college graduates in a year, compared to how many professors they hire in a year. There's your answer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1547.0,"score_ratio":24.5} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3njepv","c_root_id_B":"e3nkmwt","created_at_utc_A":1533487577,"created_at_utc_B":1533488784,"score_A":5,"score_B":147,"human_ref_A":"Yeah it totally depends on your field. I only have an undergrad but a couple of the working groups that I work with are comprised of at least 50% PHD\u2019s","human_ref_B":"Think about how many PHds a college graduates in a year, compared to how many professors they hire in a year. There's your answer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1207.0,"score_ratio":29.4} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3ni07a","c_root_id_B":"e3nhn2d","created_at_utc_A":1533486176,"created_at_utc_B":1533485804,"score_A":47,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Well, my father was a hands on guy. While his coworkers knew, his own Office Manager didn't know he had a PhD (he felt that advertising such was pompous and that his work should speak for itself); she knew he was Damned Good, but she thought the \"Dr.\" stuff at his retirement party was an inside joke of some sort. In the same vein I've worked with probably half a dozen other PhDs that got their hands dirty on a regular basis. Hell, I work with two of 'em now and know of several more. Actually, I don't know *ANY* PhDs that just sit at a desk, lecture, etc.","human_ref_B":"No, that is not a standard path for someone with a PhD in engineering. There are two primary reasons to go for a PhD; Research or Academia. If your initial goal is not either of these areas, then I believe getting a PhD is a waste of time and possibly one that can overqualify you for some positions. If your intention is to work in industry, then you would be better off getting a MS with a few years experience in the time it would take to get a PhD. So what happens if you planned to enter one of those two areas and found out it was not for you? Not the biggest deal, but you will just not get as much \u201ccredit\u201d on your resume for having a PhD in the outside world. My dad has a PhD and I once asked him why he got it as he is now in industry. I knew that he had worked for several years as a professor, but I never realized until that point that this is what he had planned to do for his career. However, he found the politics of universities to be something that he didn\u2019t want to deal with and ended up leaving academia. Best of luck, Sol Rosenbaum, PE, CEM, CPMP My Blog for Younger Engineers - The Engineering Mentor","labels":1,"seconds_difference":372.0,"score_ratio":7.8333333333} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3nhn2d","c_root_id_B":"e3njapl","created_at_utc_A":1533485804,"created_at_utc_B":1533487471,"score_A":6,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"No, that is not a standard path for someone with a PhD in engineering. There are two primary reasons to go for a PhD; Research or Academia. If your initial goal is not either of these areas, then I believe getting a PhD is a waste of time and possibly one that can overqualify you for some positions. If your intention is to work in industry, then you would be better off getting a MS with a few years experience in the time it would take to get a PhD. So what happens if you planned to enter one of those two areas and found out it was not for you? Not the biggest deal, but you will just not get as much \u201ccredit\u201d on your resume for having a PhD in the outside world. My dad has a PhD and I once asked him why he got it as he is now in industry. I knew that he had worked for several years as a professor, but I never realized until that point that this is what he had planned to do for his career. However, he found the politics of universities to be something that he didn\u2019t want to deal with and ended up leaving academia. Best of luck, Sol Rosenbaum, PE, CEM, CPMP My Blog for Younger Engineers - The Engineering Mentor","human_ref_B":"I work at a big aerospace company and have found my PhD to be beneficial over just a MS. PhDs are hired directly into research roles and typically expected to write proposals, manage research, etc. MS are the worker bees and, if they're in the right group, they can start to lead projects, though it's way less common. I do occasionally get my hands dirty in the lab still, but I can generally find someone whose time is cheaper to do it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1667.0,"score_ratio":4.8333333333} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3njapl","c_root_id_B":"e3nj27p","created_at_utc_A":1533487471,"created_at_utc_B":1533487237,"score_A":29,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I work at a big aerospace company and have found my PhD to be beneficial over just a MS. PhDs are hired directly into research roles and typically expected to write proposals, manage research, etc. MS are the worker bees and, if they're in the right group, they can start to lead projects, though it's way less common. I do occasionally get my hands dirty in the lab still, but I can generally find someone whose time is cheaper to do it.","human_ref_B":"Not the \u201cnormal\u201d path, but I have personally worked with numerous PhD\u2019s in hands-on engineering roles.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":234.0,"score_ratio":4.8333333333} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3nhn2d","c_root_id_B":"e3nm5a3","created_at_utc_A":1533485804,"created_at_utc_B":1533490287,"score_A":6,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"No, that is not a standard path for someone with a PhD in engineering. There are two primary reasons to go for a PhD; Research or Academia. If your initial goal is not either of these areas, then I believe getting a PhD is a waste of time and possibly one that can overqualify you for some positions. If your intention is to work in industry, then you would be better off getting a MS with a few years experience in the time it would take to get a PhD. So what happens if you planned to enter one of those two areas and found out it was not for you? Not the biggest deal, but you will just not get as much \u201ccredit\u201d on your resume for having a PhD in the outside world. My dad has a PhD and I once asked him why he got it as he is now in industry. I knew that he had worked for several years as a professor, but I never realized until that point that this is what he had planned to do for his career. However, he found the politics of universities to be something that he didn\u2019t want to deal with and ended up leaving academia. Best of luck, Sol Rosenbaum, PE, CEM, CPMP My Blog for Younger Engineers - The Engineering Mentor","human_ref_B":"I know plenty of engineers with PhDs in technical roles in private industry... It is fairly common. Often their employer subsidized their doctorate as it is seen as an advantage for the company to have more educated employees.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4483.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3nkyg4","c_root_id_B":"e3nm5a3","created_at_utc_A":1533489104,"created_at_utc_B":1533490287,"score_A":6,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"The question mixes two issues: 1. hands-on vs. analysis\/simulation\/management\/etc. 2. Teaching vs. research vs. practice. A PhD leaves open any of those types of jobs. I would say that there are probably more engineering PhDs in industry than in academic jobs in the US. But most of them are more on the research end of things than the practice end. There's hands on work in industry and academica, and in research as well as practice. But the fraction of the work that is hands-on is going down. If you want to be sure your job includes hands-on work, choosing your field and your company carefully is important, though difficult at the rate things are changing.","human_ref_B":"I know plenty of engineers with PhDs in technical roles in private industry... It is fairly common. Often their employer subsidized their doctorate as it is seen as an advantage for the company to have more educated employees.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1183.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3nm5a3","c_root_id_B":"e3nj27p","created_at_utc_A":1533490287,"created_at_utc_B":1533487237,"score_A":16,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I know plenty of engineers with PhDs in technical roles in private industry... It is fairly common. Often their employer subsidized their doctorate as it is seen as an advantage for the company to have more educated employees.","human_ref_B":"Not the \u201cnormal\u201d path, but I have personally worked with numerous PhD\u2019s in hands-on engineering roles.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3050.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3nm5a3","c_root_id_B":"e3njepv","created_at_utc_A":1533490287,"created_at_utc_B":1533487577,"score_A":16,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I know plenty of engineers with PhDs in technical roles in private industry... It is fairly common. Often their employer subsidized their doctorate as it is seen as an advantage for the company to have more educated employees.","human_ref_B":"Yeah it totally depends on your field. I only have an undergrad but a couple of the working groups that I work with are comprised of at least 50% PHD\u2019s","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2710.0,"score_ratio":3.2} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3nhn2d","c_root_id_B":"e3nvmk6","created_at_utc_A":1533485804,"created_at_utc_B":1533499706,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"No, that is not a standard path for someone with a PhD in engineering. There are two primary reasons to go for a PhD; Research or Academia. If your initial goal is not either of these areas, then I believe getting a PhD is a waste of time and possibly one that can overqualify you for some positions. If your intention is to work in industry, then you would be better off getting a MS with a few years experience in the time it would take to get a PhD. So what happens if you planned to enter one of those two areas and found out it was not for you? Not the biggest deal, but you will just not get as much \u201ccredit\u201d on your resume for having a PhD in the outside world. My dad has a PhD and I once asked him why he got it as he is now in industry. I knew that he had worked for several years as a professor, but I never realized until that point that this is what he had planned to do for his career. However, he found the politics of universities to be something that he didn\u2019t want to deal with and ended up leaving academia. Best of luck, Sol Rosenbaum, PE, CEM, CPMP My Blog for Younger Engineers - The Engineering Mentor","human_ref_B":"Yes. I worked with phd's. They focused on very technically challenging work like figuring out how to repair dams.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13902.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3nvmk6","c_root_id_B":"e3nkyg4","created_at_utc_A":1533499706,"created_at_utc_B":1533489104,"score_A":8,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Yes. I worked with phd's. They focused on very technically challenging work like figuring out how to repair dams.","human_ref_B":"The question mixes two issues: 1. hands-on vs. analysis\/simulation\/management\/etc. 2. Teaching vs. research vs. practice. A PhD leaves open any of those types of jobs. I would say that there are probably more engineering PhDs in industry than in academic jobs in the US. But most of them are more on the research end of things than the practice end. There's hands on work in industry and academica, and in research as well as practice. But the fraction of the work that is hands-on is going down. If you want to be sure your job includes hands-on work, choosing your field and your company carefully is important, though difficult at the rate things are changing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10602.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3nj27p","c_root_id_B":"e3nvmk6","created_at_utc_A":1533487237,"created_at_utc_B":1533499706,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Not the \u201cnormal\u201d path, but I have personally worked with numerous PhD\u2019s in hands-on engineering roles.","human_ref_B":"Yes. I worked with phd's. They focused on very technically challenging work like figuring out how to repair dams.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12469.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3nvmk6","c_root_id_B":"e3njepv","created_at_utc_A":1533499706,"created_at_utc_B":1533487577,"score_A":8,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Yes. I worked with phd's. They focused on very technically challenging work like figuring out how to repair dams.","human_ref_B":"Yeah it totally depends on your field. I only have an undergrad but a couple of the working groups that I work with are comprised of at least 50% PHD\u2019s","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12129.0,"score_ratio":1.6} +{"post_id":"94sv71","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it normal for a PhD to not work as a lecturer but rather as a regular hands-on engineer?","c_root_id_A":"e3nkyg4","c_root_id_B":"e3njepv","created_at_utc_A":1533489104,"created_at_utc_B":1533487577,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"The question mixes two issues: 1. hands-on vs. analysis\/simulation\/management\/etc. 2. Teaching vs. research vs. practice. A PhD leaves open any of those types of jobs. I would say that there are probably more engineering PhDs in industry than in academic jobs in the US. But most of them are more on the research end of things than the practice end. There's hands on work in industry and academica, and in research as well as practice. But the fraction of the work that is hands-on is going down. If you want to be sure your job includes hands-on work, choosing your field and your company carefully is important, though difficult at the rate things are changing.","human_ref_B":"Yeah it totally depends on your field. I only have an undergrad but a couple of the working groups that I work with are comprised of at least 50% PHD\u2019s","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1527.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtofmo4","c_root_id_B":"gtoic4e","created_at_utc_A":1617796802,"created_at_utc_B":1617798470,"score_A":29,"score_B":89,"human_ref_A":"I wouldn\u2019t bother. You\u2019ve already got a better job lined up. Best to just move on to greener pastures.","human_ref_B":"If you have a debrief with your manager before leaving, then you can probably tell them. Otherwise, if they don't ask, I wouldn't volunteer these critiques.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1668.0,"score_ratio":3.0689655172} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtoic4e","c_root_id_B":"gtoabki","created_at_utc_A":1617798470,"created_at_utc_B":1617793002,"score_A":89,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"If you have a debrief with your manager before leaving, then you can probably tell them. Otherwise, if they don't ask, I wouldn't volunteer these critiques.","human_ref_B":"This very much depends on how you come across. You have to be careful when trying to break norms - some people take it personally.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5468.0,"score_ratio":5.2352941176} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtoic4e","c_root_id_B":"gto6ghm","created_at_utc_A":1617798470,"created_at_utc_B":1617789661,"score_A":89,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If you have a debrief with your manager before leaving, then you can probably tell them. Otherwise, if they don't ask, I wouldn't volunteer these critiques.","human_ref_B":"You should post your feedback here first. We will notice everything you can't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8809.0,"score_ratio":44.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtopf54","c_root_id_B":"gtofmo4","created_at_utc_A":1617802240,"created_at_utc_B":1617796802,"score_A":37,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"There's no upside to being honest. If management cared about your opinion they would have already asked. Sharing it now just reduces your options in the future, and the tech world can be pretty small.","human_ref_B":"I wouldn\u2019t bother. You\u2019ve already got a better job lined up. Best to just move on to greener pastures.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5438.0,"score_ratio":1.275862069} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtokgrc","c_root_id_B":"gtopf54","created_at_utc_A":1617799682,"created_at_utc_B":1617802240,"score_A":24,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"If they are good managers, they will ask for exit interview, at which point you can share your objective pov. Otherwise, avoid burning any bridges.","human_ref_B":"There's no upside to being honest. If management cared about your opinion they would have already asked. Sharing it now just reduces your options in the future, and the tech world can be pretty small.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2558.0,"score_ratio":1.5416666667} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtopf54","c_root_id_B":"gtoabki","created_at_utc_A":1617802240,"created_at_utc_B":1617793002,"score_A":37,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"There's no upside to being honest. If management cared about your opinion they would have already asked. Sharing it now just reduces your options in the future, and the tech world can be pretty small.","human_ref_B":"This very much depends on how you come across. You have to be careful when trying to break norms - some people take it personally.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9238.0,"score_ratio":2.1764705882} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtopf54","c_root_id_B":"gto6ghm","created_at_utc_A":1617802240,"created_at_utc_B":1617789661,"score_A":37,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"There's no upside to being honest. If management cared about your opinion they would have already asked. Sharing it now just reduces your options in the future, and the tech world can be pretty small.","human_ref_B":"You should post your feedback here first. We will notice everything you can't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12579.0,"score_ratio":18.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtofmo4","c_root_id_B":"gtoabki","created_at_utc_A":1617796802,"created_at_utc_B":1617793002,"score_A":29,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"I wouldn\u2019t bother. You\u2019ve already got a better job lined up. Best to just move on to greener pastures.","human_ref_B":"This very much depends on how you come across. You have to be careful when trying to break norms - some people take it personally.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3800.0,"score_ratio":1.7058823529} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtofmo4","c_root_id_B":"gto6ghm","created_at_utc_A":1617796802,"created_at_utc_B":1617789661,"score_A":29,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I wouldn\u2019t bother. You\u2019ve already got a better job lined up. Best to just move on to greener pastures.","human_ref_B":"You should post your feedback here first. We will notice everything you can't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7141.0,"score_ratio":14.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtokgrc","c_root_id_B":"gtoabki","created_at_utc_A":1617799682,"created_at_utc_B":1617793002,"score_A":24,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"If they are good managers, they will ask for exit interview, at which point you can share your objective pov. Otherwise, avoid burning any bridges.","human_ref_B":"This very much depends on how you come across. You have to be careful when trying to break norms - some people take it personally.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6680.0,"score_ratio":1.4117647059} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtokgrc","c_root_id_B":"gto6ghm","created_at_utc_A":1617799682,"created_at_utc_B":1617789661,"score_A":24,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If they are good managers, they will ask for exit interview, at which point you can share your objective pov. Otherwise, avoid burning any bridges.","human_ref_B":"You should post your feedback here first. We will notice everything you can't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10021.0,"score_ratio":12.0} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtoabki","c_root_id_B":"gto6ghm","created_at_utc_A":1617793002,"created_at_utc_B":1617789661,"score_A":17,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This very much depends on how you come across. You have to be careful when trying to break norms - some people take it personally.","human_ref_B":"You should post your feedback here first. We will notice everything you can't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3341.0,"score_ratio":8.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtory1l","c_root_id_B":"gtou8cv","created_at_utc_A":1617803475,"created_at_utc_B":1617804557,"score_A":6,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"When I worked as a test engineer everything I did was documented - test procedures and any pass\/fail associated with them. The engineers would have to comment prior to it being closed out - sometimes it would be fixed, others it would be passed by for whatever reason. At the companies I have worked for there is an exit interview with an HR rep and\/or your immediate supervisor. At that point you can make your comment if you feel you need to.","human_ref_B":"Absolutely not. If they won't listen to you while you're fully employed there, do you really think they're going to listen when you have one foot out the door? At best, they will ignore what you have to say, just like they've been doing. At worst, they'll get pissed off and try to sabotage you somehow. Just tell them everything is rosy. They aren't going to believe anything else anyway.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1082.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtou8cv","c_root_id_B":"gtoten2","created_at_utc_A":1617804557,"created_at_utc_B":1617804164,"score_A":10,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely not. If they won't listen to you while you're fully employed there, do you really think they're going to listen when you have one foot out the door? At best, they will ignore what you have to say, just like they've been doing. At worst, they'll get pissed off and try to sabotage you somehow. Just tell them everything is rosy. They aren't going to believe anything else anyway.","human_ref_B":"Depends on your boss. I have a pretty good relationship with my managers, and will bring these kinds of issues to them. I am also a supervisor and believe part of that is to advocate for my staff with management, and management knows that. We have had some good conversations about these kinds of issues. Sometimes the get fixed. Don't attack anyone, just state from your perspective these are frustrations. I know it is kinda counter intuitive but don't state them as factually wrong things but as things that are impacting morale. If your boss is the type that gets defensive, just be happy to walk away.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":393.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtou8cv","c_root_id_B":"gto6ghm","created_at_utc_A":1617804557,"created_at_utc_B":1617789661,"score_A":10,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely not. If they won't listen to you while you're fully employed there, do you really think they're going to listen when you have one foot out the door? At best, they will ignore what you have to say, just like they've been doing. At worst, they'll get pissed off and try to sabotage you somehow. Just tell them everything is rosy. They aren't going to believe anything else anyway.","human_ref_B":"You should post your feedback here first. We will notice everything you can't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14896.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtot0sm","c_root_id_B":"gtou8cv","created_at_utc_A":1617803982,"created_at_utc_B":1617804557,"score_A":2,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"If your recommendation require redesigning the org chart, you can't expect change quickly. If you recommend shortening the iterative design-build-test cycle, then maybe someone at the top need to adopt agile product design methodology for that to happen. My experience is that there are constant budget constraints from finance, timeline constraints from project manager, new feature dream up by marketing for the next campaign and proposals and delays from R&D. Managers have to prioritize task and not all feedback from the testing team will be addressed unless it is regulatory. You complaints maybe low priority and the manager who rank it low didn't explain it to the testing team properly. It is possible that the R&D engineer want to spend time fixing the problem rather than communicate with the testing team. It's beneficial to understand what pays the bill in your industry and customer's procurement process. Is your complaints on customer's procurement specification? Products are often designed around cost, function, speed and safety to win procurement tender bids rather than user experience because the decision makers at the hospital has a budget and don't use the product themselves. Some issues can also be addressed by sending field service technicians to calibrate sensors or replace parts, which may come from a separate part of customer's budget. Align your complaints to cost, function, speed and safety and specification will help you get heard. Back up your complaints with metrics, such as it takes X sec or Y taps to complete task z, which is higher than competition. Instead of saying \"many people feel..\" say a small survey was conducted and x people was asked the question y and z% respond with \\_. Instead of saying \"treated us like customers\", say implementing a tracking system for complaints from the testing team and assigning priority, deadline and owner ensures the product meet design specification. Alternatively, say feedback from the R&D team on complaints from the testing team can help the testing team focus effort on high priority design objective.","human_ref_B":"Absolutely not. If they won't listen to you while you're fully employed there, do you really think they're going to listen when you have one foot out the door? At best, they will ignore what you have to say, just like they've been doing. At worst, they'll get pissed off and try to sabotage you somehow. Just tell them everything is rosy. They aren't going to believe anything else anyway.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":575.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtory1l","c_root_id_B":"gto6ghm","created_at_utc_A":1617803475,"created_at_utc_B":1617789661,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"When I worked as a test engineer everything I did was documented - test procedures and any pass\/fail associated with them. The engineers would have to comment prior to it being closed out - sometimes it would be fixed, others it would be passed by for whatever reason. At the companies I have worked for there is an exit interview with an HR rep and\/or your immediate supervisor. At that point you can make your comment if you feel you need to.","human_ref_B":"You should post your feedback here first. We will notice everything you can't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13814.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtoumke","c_root_id_B":"gtoyz1v","created_at_utc_A":1617804745,"created_at_utc_B":1617806752,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Dont. Might affect your exit.","human_ref_B":"> I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Doesn't design engineering set success criteria for the tests well in advance? Are you just running tests and the design engineers are evaluating Pass\/Fail and\/or approving deviations? That's messed up, and if I'm being honest, a red flag. When I worked as a test engineer in product development, I wouldn't even **start** any testing unless the work order had clearly defined Pass\/Fail criteria and nothing got approved for production without my signoff. The one time management did an end around and got someone higher up the chain to approve production despite a \"Fail\" in the test lab, someone almost died and there was over $1M in damaged products and the director who overrode me got fired. As far as telling your management, the real questions are: Do you think it will make a difference? and What's the upside\/downside for you? Do you really think that you'll be telling them something that they don't already know? IMO, you can mention it, but don't go all Jerry Maguire and write a manifesto or bring in a 40 slide PowerPoint presentation about all of the shortcomings of their system that you also send out to the entire management team. Overall, there's really no upside for you bringing it up. It's not going to make your work life better, you're already doing that by leaving. Even if your immediate management agrees with you, bringing it up isn't going to result in changes to make things better for your soon to be former coworkers. The time to push for those kinds of changes was well before you announced your departure. That ship has sailed. The risk is that you leave and get painted as a whiner, unappreciative of the opportunities you've had and get a bum reference or worse, a bad reputation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2007.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtoyz1v","c_root_id_B":"gtoten2","created_at_utc_A":1617806752,"created_at_utc_B":1617804164,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"> I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Doesn't design engineering set success criteria for the tests well in advance? Are you just running tests and the design engineers are evaluating Pass\/Fail and\/or approving deviations? That's messed up, and if I'm being honest, a red flag. When I worked as a test engineer in product development, I wouldn't even **start** any testing unless the work order had clearly defined Pass\/Fail criteria and nothing got approved for production without my signoff. The one time management did an end around and got someone higher up the chain to approve production despite a \"Fail\" in the test lab, someone almost died and there was over $1M in damaged products and the director who overrode me got fired. As far as telling your management, the real questions are: Do you think it will make a difference? and What's the upside\/downside for you? Do you really think that you'll be telling them something that they don't already know? IMO, you can mention it, but don't go all Jerry Maguire and write a manifesto or bring in a 40 slide PowerPoint presentation about all of the shortcomings of their system that you also send out to the entire management team. Overall, there's really no upside for you bringing it up. It's not going to make your work life better, you're already doing that by leaving. Even if your immediate management agrees with you, bringing it up isn't going to result in changes to make things better for your soon to be former coworkers. The time to push for those kinds of changes was well before you announced your departure. That ship has sailed. The risk is that you leave and get painted as a whiner, unappreciative of the opportunities you've had and get a bum reference or worse, a bad reputation.","human_ref_B":"Depends on your boss. I have a pretty good relationship with my managers, and will bring these kinds of issues to them. I am also a supervisor and believe part of that is to advocate for my staff with management, and management knows that. We have had some good conversations about these kinds of issues. Sometimes the get fixed. Don't attack anyone, just state from your perspective these are frustrations. I know it is kinda counter intuitive but don't state them as factually wrong things but as things that are impacting morale. If your boss is the type that gets defensive, just be happy to walk away.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2588.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gto6ghm","c_root_id_B":"gtoyz1v","created_at_utc_A":1617789661,"created_at_utc_B":1617806752,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"You should post your feedback here first. We will notice everything you can't.","human_ref_B":"> I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Doesn't design engineering set success criteria for the tests well in advance? Are you just running tests and the design engineers are evaluating Pass\/Fail and\/or approving deviations? That's messed up, and if I'm being honest, a red flag. When I worked as a test engineer in product development, I wouldn't even **start** any testing unless the work order had clearly defined Pass\/Fail criteria and nothing got approved for production without my signoff. The one time management did an end around and got someone higher up the chain to approve production despite a \"Fail\" in the test lab, someone almost died and there was over $1M in damaged products and the director who overrode me got fired. As far as telling your management, the real questions are: Do you think it will make a difference? and What's the upside\/downside for you? Do you really think that you'll be telling them something that they don't already know? IMO, you can mention it, but don't go all Jerry Maguire and write a manifesto or bring in a 40 slide PowerPoint presentation about all of the shortcomings of their system that you also send out to the entire management team. Overall, there's really no upside for you bringing it up. It's not going to make your work life better, you're already doing that by leaving. Even if your immediate management agrees with you, bringing it up isn't going to result in changes to make things better for your soon to be former coworkers. The time to push for those kinds of changes was well before you announced your departure. That ship has sailed. The risk is that you leave and get painted as a whiner, unappreciative of the opportunities you've had and get a bum reference or worse, a bad reputation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17091.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtoyz1v","c_root_id_B":"gtot0sm","created_at_utc_A":1617806752,"created_at_utc_B":1617803982,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"> I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Doesn't design engineering set success criteria for the tests well in advance? Are you just running tests and the design engineers are evaluating Pass\/Fail and\/or approving deviations? That's messed up, and if I'm being honest, a red flag. When I worked as a test engineer in product development, I wouldn't even **start** any testing unless the work order had clearly defined Pass\/Fail criteria and nothing got approved for production without my signoff. The one time management did an end around and got someone higher up the chain to approve production despite a \"Fail\" in the test lab, someone almost died and there was over $1M in damaged products and the director who overrode me got fired. As far as telling your management, the real questions are: Do you think it will make a difference? and What's the upside\/downside for you? Do you really think that you'll be telling them something that they don't already know? IMO, you can mention it, but don't go all Jerry Maguire and write a manifesto or bring in a 40 slide PowerPoint presentation about all of the shortcomings of their system that you also send out to the entire management team. Overall, there's really no upside for you bringing it up. It's not going to make your work life better, you're already doing that by leaving. Even if your immediate management agrees with you, bringing it up isn't going to result in changes to make things better for your soon to be former coworkers. The time to push for those kinds of changes was well before you announced your departure. That ship has sailed. The risk is that you leave and get painted as a whiner, unappreciative of the opportunities you've had and get a bum reference or worse, a bad reputation.","human_ref_B":"If your recommendation require redesigning the org chart, you can't expect change quickly. If you recommend shortening the iterative design-build-test cycle, then maybe someone at the top need to adopt agile product design methodology for that to happen. My experience is that there are constant budget constraints from finance, timeline constraints from project manager, new feature dream up by marketing for the next campaign and proposals and delays from R&D. Managers have to prioritize task and not all feedback from the testing team will be addressed unless it is regulatory. You complaints maybe low priority and the manager who rank it low didn't explain it to the testing team properly. It is possible that the R&D engineer want to spend time fixing the problem rather than communicate with the testing team. It's beneficial to understand what pays the bill in your industry and customer's procurement process. Is your complaints on customer's procurement specification? Products are often designed around cost, function, speed and safety to win procurement tender bids rather than user experience because the decision makers at the hospital has a budget and don't use the product themselves. Some issues can also be addressed by sending field service technicians to calibrate sensors or replace parts, which may come from a separate part of customer's budget. Align your complaints to cost, function, speed and safety and specification will help you get heard. Back up your complaints with metrics, such as it takes X sec or Y taps to complete task z, which is higher than competition. Instead of saying \"many people feel..\" say a small survey was conducted and x people was asked the question y and z% respond with \\_. Instead of saying \"treated us like customers\", say implementing a tracking system for complaints from the testing team and assigning priority, deadline and owner ensures the product meet design specification. Alternatively, say feedback from the R&D team on complaints from the testing team can help the testing team focus effort on high priority design objective.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2770.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtpm9l5","c_root_id_B":"gtoumke","created_at_utc_A":1617816847,"created_at_utc_B":1617804745,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"> Should I bother telling my managers this? No. You can tell him 6 months down the line if you run into him outside work settings, as a friend. *\"I would love to be back, if we as team gets more support from managers like you, and development teams take our issues seriously than what the way it was when I left. I do miss my colleagues\"*","human_ref_B":"Dont. Might affect your exit.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12102.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtoten2","c_root_id_B":"gtoumke","created_at_utc_A":1617804164,"created_at_utc_B":1617804745,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Depends on your boss. I have a pretty good relationship with my managers, and will bring these kinds of issues to them. I am also a supervisor and believe part of that is to advocate for my staff with management, and management knows that. We have had some good conversations about these kinds of issues. Sometimes the get fixed. Don't attack anyone, just state from your perspective these are frustrations. I know it is kinda counter intuitive but don't state them as factually wrong things but as things that are impacting morale. If your boss is the type that gets defensive, just be happy to walk away.","human_ref_B":"Dont. Might affect your exit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":581.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gto6ghm","c_root_id_B":"gtoumke","created_at_utc_A":1617789661,"created_at_utc_B":1617804745,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You should post your feedback here first. We will notice everything you can't.","human_ref_B":"Dont. Might affect your exit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15084.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtoumke","c_root_id_B":"gtot0sm","created_at_utc_A":1617804745,"created_at_utc_B":1617803982,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Dont. Might affect your exit.","human_ref_B":"If your recommendation require redesigning the org chart, you can't expect change quickly. If you recommend shortening the iterative design-build-test cycle, then maybe someone at the top need to adopt agile product design methodology for that to happen. My experience is that there are constant budget constraints from finance, timeline constraints from project manager, new feature dream up by marketing for the next campaign and proposals and delays from R&D. Managers have to prioritize task and not all feedback from the testing team will be addressed unless it is regulatory. You complaints maybe low priority and the manager who rank it low didn't explain it to the testing team properly. It is possible that the R&D engineer want to spend time fixing the problem rather than communicate with the testing team. It's beneficial to understand what pays the bill in your industry and customer's procurement process. Is your complaints on customer's procurement specification? Products are often designed around cost, function, speed and safety to win procurement tender bids rather than user experience because the decision makers at the hospital has a budget and don't use the product themselves. Some issues can also be addressed by sending field service technicians to calibrate sensors or replace parts, which may come from a separate part of customer's budget. Align your complaints to cost, function, speed and safety and specification will help you get heard. Back up your complaints with metrics, such as it takes X sec or Y taps to complete task z, which is higher than competition. Instead of saying \"many people feel..\" say a small survey was conducted and x people was asked the question y and z% respond with \\_. Instead of saying \"treated us like customers\", say implementing a tracking system for complaints from the testing team and assigning priority, deadline and owner ensures the product meet design specification. Alternatively, say feedback from the R&D team on complaints from the testing team can help the testing team focus effort on high priority design objective.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":763.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtpm9l5","c_root_id_B":"gtpd64u","created_at_utc_A":1617816847,"created_at_utc_B":1617812948,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"> Should I bother telling my managers this? No. You can tell him 6 months down the line if you run into him outside work settings, as a friend. *\"I would love to be back, if we as team gets more support from managers like you, and development teams take our issues seriously than what the way it was when I left. I do miss my colleagues\"*","human_ref_B":"Fundamentally, Test isn't as valued as highly as the left side of the V. Managers do just see Test as a tick box to get to delivery. Ideally, you'd never find any mistakes (so long as you don't miss any that the customer finds). You could tell them you don't think it's right that they should feel that way, but it won't change anything. Same (if not more so) goes for Quality. They're seen as blockers to stop deliveries from going out on time just because Is aren't dotted and Ts aren't crossed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3899.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtoten2","c_root_id_B":"gtpd64u","created_at_utc_A":1617804164,"created_at_utc_B":1617812948,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Depends on your boss. I have a pretty good relationship with my managers, and will bring these kinds of issues to them. I am also a supervisor and believe part of that is to advocate for my staff with management, and management knows that. We have had some good conversations about these kinds of issues. Sometimes the get fixed. Don't attack anyone, just state from your perspective these are frustrations. I know it is kinda counter intuitive but don't state them as factually wrong things but as things that are impacting morale. If your boss is the type that gets defensive, just be happy to walk away.","human_ref_B":"Fundamentally, Test isn't as valued as highly as the left side of the V. Managers do just see Test as a tick box to get to delivery. Ideally, you'd never find any mistakes (so long as you don't miss any that the customer finds). You could tell them you don't think it's right that they should feel that way, but it won't change anything. Same (if not more so) goes for Quality. They're seen as blockers to stop deliveries from going out on time just because Is aren't dotted and Ts aren't crossed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8784.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtpd64u","c_root_id_B":"gtp61rs","created_at_utc_A":1617812948,"created_at_utc_B":1617809893,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Fundamentally, Test isn't as valued as highly as the left side of the V. Managers do just see Test as a tick box to get to delivery. Ideally, you'd never find any mistakes (so long as you don't miss any that the customer finds). You could tell them you don't think it's right that they should feel that way, but it won't change anything. Same (if not more so) goes for Quality. They're seen as blockers to stop deliveries from going out on time just because Is aren't dotted and Ts aren't crossed.","human_ref_B":"If exit interview, answer honestly while being careful not to come off as bitter or put too much blame on any individual. You don\u2019t want to burn bridges, but there is no harm in being candid if you can do so in a way that is respectful and constructive.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3055.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtpd64u","c_root_id_B":"gtpaysn","created_at_utc_A":1617812948,"created_at_utc_B":1617812015,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Fundamentally, Test isn't as valued as highly as the left side of the V. Managers do just see Test as a tick box to get to delivery. Ideally, you'd never find any mistakes (so long as you don't miss any that the customer finds). You could tell them you don't think it's right that they should feel that way, but it won't change anything. Same (if not more so) goes for Quality. They're seen as blockers to stop deliveries from going out on time just because Is aren't dotted and Ts aren't crossed.","human_ref_B":"If one isn't offered, ask for an exit interview. Give them the details and let them do with them what they will. Most importantly, enjoy that new job!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":933.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtpc5ck","c_root_id_B":"gtpd64u","created_at_utc_A":1617812518,"created_at_utc_B":1617812948,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Possible Pros: * Inner feel good, clear conscience, you speak your mind and do what you think is right. * They hear understand and act on your critique using it to improve their business (which might someday employ you again.) * You might hear back from them things you don't currently know that help you appreciate a problem larger and more complex problem than you initially thought, and grow as a person. Possible Cons: * One of your bosses, whose stressed, feels unappreciated, is working on this, maybe in too deep, loses it on you in a fit of misguided rage. * Someone takes quiet offence and makes a note not to hire you if you ever apply back. * Someone bad mouths you in a reference call. ​ ​ There are other considerations but these would be my main ones. What kind of person do you work for, and what kind of person will be conducting the interview. Most of the pros are ethereal and most of the cons are hard.","human_ref_B":"Fundamentally, Test isn't as valued as highly as the left side of the V. Managers do just see Test as a tick box to get to delivery. Ideally, you'd never find any mistakes (so long as you don't miss any that the customer finds). You could tell them you don't think it's right that they should feel that way, but it won't change anything. Same (if not more so) goes for Quality. They're seen as blockers to stop deliveries from going out on time just because Is aren't dotted and Ts aren't crossed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":430.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gto6ghm","c_root_id_B":"gtpd64u","created_at_utc_A":1617789661,"created_at_utc_B":1617812948,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You should post your feedback here first. We will notice everything you can't.","human_ref_B":"Fundamentally, Test isn't as valued as highly as the left side of the V. Managers do just see Test as a tick box to get to delivery. Ideally, you'd never find any mistakes (so long as you don't miss any that the customer finds). You could tell them you don't think it's right that they should feel that way, but it won't change anything. Same (if not more so) goes for Quality. They're seen as blockers to stop deliveries from going out on time just because Is aren't dotted and Ts aren't crossed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":23287.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtpd64u","c_root_id_B":"gtot0sm","created_at_utc_A":1617812948,"created_at_utc_B":1617803982,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Fundamentally, Test isn't as valued as highly as the left side of the V. Managers do just see Test as a tick box to get to delivery. Ideally, you'd never find any mistakes (so long as you don't miss any that the customer finds). You could tell them you don't think it's right that they should feel that way, but it won't change anything. Same (if not more so) goes for Quality. They're seen as blockers to stop deliveries from going out on time just because Is aren't dotted and Ts aren't crossed.","human_ref_B":"If your recommendation require redesigning the org chart, you can't expect change quickly. If you recommend shortening the iterative design-build-test cycle, then maybe someone at the top need to adopt agile product design methodology for that to happen. My experience is that there are constant budget constraints from finance, timeline constraints from project manager, new feature dream up by marketing for the next campaign and proposals and delays from R&D. Managers have to prioritize task and not all feedback from the testing team will be addressed unless it is regulatory. You complaints maybe low priority and the manager who rank it low didn't explain it to the testing team properly. It is possible that the R&D engineer want to spend time fixing the problem rather than communicate with the testing team. It's beneficial to understand what pays the bill in your industry and customer's procurement process. Is your complaints on customer's procurement specification? Products are often designed around cost, function, speed and safety to win procurement tender bids rather than user experience because the decision makers at the hospital has a budget and don't use the product themselves. Some issues can also be addressed by sending field service technicians to calibrate sensors or replace parts, which may come from a separate part of customer's budget. Align your complaints to cost, function, speed and safety and specification will help you get heard. Back up your complaints with metrics, such as it takes X sec or Y taps to complete task z, which is higher than competition. Instead of saying \"many people feel..\" say a small survey was conducted and x people was asked the question y and z% respond with \\_. Instead of saying \"treated us like customers\", say implementing a tracking system for complaints from the testing team and assigning priority, deadline and owner ensures the product meet design specification. Alternatively, say feedback from the R&D team on complaints from the testing team can help the testing team focus effort on high priority design objective.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8966.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtpd64u","c_root_id_B":"gtp1s64","created_at_utc_A":1617812948,"created_at_utc_B":1617808015,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Fundamentally, Test isn't as valued as highly as the left side of the V. Managers do just see Test as a tick box to get to delivery. Ideally, you'd never find any mistakes (so long as you don't miss any that the customer finds). You could tell them you don't think it's right that they should feel that way, but it won't change anything. Same (if not more so) goes for Quality. They're seen as blockers to stop deliveries from going out on time just because Is aren't dotted and Ts aren't crossed.","human_ref_B":"As others have said, it partially depends on your manager. I did an exit interview with HR, but my manager also asked to have a chat with me when I left my first job, and straight up asked if they could have done more differently to make me more satisfied. I felt totally comfortable telling him the things that frustrated me, in part because I'd already mentioned things like that before, and in part because I knew he wouldn't take any of it personally (it helps that he wasn't the problem.) It sounds like you have a good relationship with them, so I would be honest with them. You did find a job that's a better fit for you, so tell them that, it's not like you took just any job to get the hell out of your current position. But, part of what contributed to you looking for something else or what made it easier to leave is the fact that you feel undervalued and disrespected by the rest of the organization. As you said, you've heard the same sentiment from others, so you leaving should be a wake-up call to them. If the cultural problem is so significant it's pushing people to leave, it needs to be addressed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4933.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtoten2","c_root_id_B":"gtpm9l5","created_at_utc_A":1617804164,"created_at_utc_B":1617816847,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Depends on your boss. I have a pretty good relationship with my managers, and will bring these kinds of issues to them. I am also a supervisor and believe part of that is to advocate for my staff with management, and management knows that. We have had some good conversations about these kinds of issues. Sometimes the get fixed. Don't attack anyone, just state from your perspective these are frustrations. I know it is kinda counter intuitive but don't state them as factually wrong things but as things that are impacting morale. If your boss is the type that gets defensive, just be happy to walk away.","human_ref_B":"> Should I bother telling my managers this? No. You can tell him 6 months down the line if you run into him outside work settings, as a friend. *\"I would love to be back, if we as team gets more support from managers like you, and development teams take our issues seriously than what the way it was when I left. I do miss my colleagues\"*","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12683.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtp61rs","c_root_id_B":"gtpm9l5","created_at_utc_A":1617809893,"created_at_utc_B":1617816847,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"If exit interview, answer honestly while being careful not to come off as bitter or put too much blame on any individual. You don\u2019t want to burn bridges, but there is no harm in being candid if you can do so in a way that is respectful and constructive.","human_ref_B":"> Should I bother telling my managers this? No. You can tell him 6 months down the line if you run into him outside work settings, as a friend. *\"I would love to be back, if we as team gets more support from managers like you, and development teams take our issues seriously than what the way it was when I left. I do miss my colleagues\"*","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6954.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtpaysn","c_root_id_B":"gtpm9l5","created_at_utc_A":1617812015,"created_at_utc_B":1617816847,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"If one isn't offered, ask for an exit interview. Give them the details and let them do with them what they will. Most importantly, enjoy that new job!","human_ref_B":"> Should I bother telling my managers this? No. You can tell him 6 months down the line if you run into him outside work settings, as a friend. *\"I would love to be back, if we as team gets more support from managers like you, and development teams take our issues seriously than what the way it was when I left. I do miss my colleagues\"*","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4832.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtpm9l5","c_root_id_B":"gtpc5ck","created_at_utc_A":1617816847,"created_at_utc_B":1617812518,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"> Should I bother telling my managers this? No. You can tell him 6 months down the line if you run into him outside work settings, as a friend. *\"I would love to be back, if we as team gets more support from managers like you, and development teams take our issues seriously than what the way it was when I left. I do miss my colleagues\"*","human_ref_B":"Possible Pros: * Inner feel good, clear conscience, you speak your mind and do what you think is right. * They hear understand and act on your critique using it to improve their business (which might someday employ you again.) * You might hear back from them things you don't currently know that help you appreciate a problem larger and more complex problem than you initially thought, and grow as a person. Possible Cons: * One of your bosses, whose stressed, feels unappreciated, is working on this, maybe in too deep, loses it on you in a fit of misguided rage. * Someone takes quiet offence and makes a note not to hire you if you ever apply back. * Someone bad mouths you in a reference call. ​ ​ There are other considerations but these would be my main ones. What kind of person do you work for, and what kind of person will be conducting the interview. Most of the pros are ethereal and most of the cons are hard.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4329.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gto6ghm","c_root_id_B":"gtpm9l5","created_at_utc_A":1617789661,"created_at_utc_B":1617816847,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"You should post your feedback here first. We will notice everything you can't.","human_ref_B":"> Should I bother telling my managers this? No. You can tell him 6 months down the line if you run into him outside work settings, as a friend. *\"I would love to be back, if we as team gets more support from managers like you, and development teams take our issues seriously than what the way it was when I left. I do miss my colleagues\"*","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27186.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtot0sm","c_root_id_B":"gtpm9l5","created_at_utc_A":1617803982,"created_at_utc_B":1617816847,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"If your recommendation require redesigning the org chart, you can't expect change quickly. If you recommend shortening the iterative design-build-test cycle, then maybe someone at the top need to adopt agile product design methodology for that to happen. My experience is that there are constant budget constraints from finance, timeline constraints from project manager, new feature dream up by marketing for the next campaign and proposals and delays from R&D. Managers have to prioritize task and not all feedback from the testing team will be addressed unless it is regulatory. You complaints maybe low priority and the manager who rank it low didn't explain it to the testing team properly. It is possible that the R&D engineer want to spend time fixing the problem rather than communicate with the testing team. It's beneficial to understand what pays the bill in your industry and customer's procurement process. Is your complaints on customer's procurement specification? Products are often designed around cost, function, speed and safety to win procurement tender bids rather than user experience because the decision makers at the hospital has a budget and don't use the product themselves. Some issues can also be addressed by sending field service technicians to calibrate sensors or replace parts, which may come from a separate part of customer's budget. Align your complaints to cost, function, speed and safety and specification will help you get heard. Back up your complaints with metrics, such as it takes X sec or Y taps to complete task z, which is higher than competition. Instead of saying \"many people feel..\" say a small survey was conducted and x people was asked the question y and z% respond with \\_. Instead of saying \"treated us like customers\", say implementing a tracking system for complaints from the testing team and assigning priority, deadline and owner ensures the product meet design specification. Alternatively, say feedback from the R&D team on complaints from the testing team can help the testing team focus effort on high priority design objective.","human_ref_B":"> Should I bother telling my managers this? No. You can tell him 6 months down the line if you run into him outside work settings, as a friend. *\"I would love to be back, if we as team gets more support from managers like you, and development teams take our issues seriously than what the way it was when I left. I do miss my colleagues\"*","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12865.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtp1s64","c_root_id_B":"gtpm9l5","created_at_utc_A":1617808015,"created_at_utc_B":1617816847,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"As others have said, it partially depends on your manager. I did an exit interview with HR, but my manager also asked to have a chat with me when I left my first job, and straight up asked if they could have done more differently to make me more satisfied. I felt totally comfortable telling him the things that frustrated me, in part because I'd already mentioned things like that before, and in part because I knew he wouldn't take any of it personally (it helps that he wasn't the problem.) It sounds like you have a good relationship with them, so I would be honest with them. You did find a job that's a better fit for you, so tell them that, it's not like you took just any job to get the hell out of your current position. But, part of what contributed to you looking for something else or what made it easier to leave is the fact that you feel undervalued and disrespected by the rest of the organization. As you said, you've heard the same sentiment from others, so you leaving should be a wake-up call to them. If the cultural problem is so significant it's pushing people to leave, it needs to be addressed.","human_ref_B":"> Should I bother telling my managers this? No. You can tell him 6 months down the line if you run into him outside work settings, as a friend. *\"I would love to be back, if we as team gets more support from managers like you, and development teams take our issues seriously than what the way it was when I left. I do miss my colleagues\"*","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8832.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtpf57p","c_root_id_B":"gtpm9l5","created_at_utc_A":1617813798,"created_at_utc_B":1617816847,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Only tell them if they are smart enough to do a closing interview. Stay positive in your critique even if you are blasting them. .","human_ref_B":"> Should I bother telling my managers this? No. You can tell him 6 months down the line if you run into him outside work settings, as a friend. *\"I would love to be back, if we as team gets more support from managers like you, and development teams take our issues seriously than what the way it was when I left. I do miss my colleagues\"*","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3049.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtpk9oz","c_root_id_B":"gtpm9l5","created_at_utc_A":1617815990,"created_at_utc_B":1617816847,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Usually how you present this type of feedback is as important as the feedback you provide. If asked, and you have a good relationship with the person asking, I would avoid discussions of the people involved, and focus on what the strengths were, areas that could be improved, and mention how you will look back fondly on what you've learned. Maybe 'one tip' on the way out, but don't make it a diatribe of why this place is a hellhole.","human_ref_B":"> Should I bother telling my managers this? No. You can tell him 6 months down the line if you run into him outside work settings, as a friend. *\"I would love to be back, if we as team gets more support from managers like you, and development teams take our issues seriously than what the way it was when I left. I do miss my colleagues\"*","labels":0,"seconds_difference":857.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtoten2","c_root_id_B":"gto6ghm","created_at_utc_A":1617804164,"created_at_utc_B":1617789661,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Depends on your boss. I have a pretty good relationship with my managers, and will bring these kinds of issues to them. I am also a supervisor and believe part of that is to advocate for my staff with management, and management knows that. We have had some good conversations about these kinds of issues. Sometimes the get fixed. Don't attack anyone, just state from your perspective these are frustrations. I know it is kinda counter intuitive but don't state them as factually wrong things but as things that are impacting morale. If your boss is the type that gets defensive, just be happy to walk away.","human_ref_B":"You should post your feedback here first. We will notice everything you can't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14503.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtot0sm","c_root_id_B":"gtoten2","created_at_utc_A":1617803982,"created_at_utc_B":1617804164,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If your recommendation require redesigning the org chart, you can't expect change quickly. If you recommend shortening the iterative design-build-test cycle, then maybe someone at the top need to adopt agile product design methodology for that to happen. My experience is that there are constant budget constraints from finance, timeline constraints from project manager, new feature dream up by marketing for the next campaign and proposals and delays from R&D. Managers have to prioritize task and not all feedback from the testing team will be addressed unless it is regulatory. You complaints maybe low priority and the manager who rank it low didn't explain it to the testing team properly. It is possible that the R&D engineer want to spend time fixing the problem rather than communicate with the testing team. It's beneficial to understand what pays the bill in your industry and customer's procurement process. Is your complaints on customer's procurement specification? Products are often designed around cost, function, speed and safety to win procurement tender bids rather than user experience because the decision makers at the hospital has a budget and don't use the product themselves. Some issues can also be addressed by sending field service technicians to calibrate sensors or replace parts, which may come from a separate part of customer's budget. Align your complaints to cost, function, speed and safety and specification will help you get heard. Back up your complaints with metrics, such as it takes X sec or Y taps to complete task z, which is higher than competition. Instead of saying \"many people feel..\" say a small survey was conducted and x people was asked the question y and z% respond with \\_. Instead of saying \"treated us like customers\", say implementing a tracking system for complaints from the testing team and assigning priority, deadline and owner ensures the product meet design specification. Alternatively, say feedback from the R&D team on complaints from the testing team can help the testing team focus effort on high priority design objective.","human_ref_B":"Depends on your boss. I have a pretty good relationship with my managers, and will bring these kinds of issues to them. I am also a supervisor and believe part of that is to advocate for my staff with management, and management knows that. We have had some good conversations about these kinds of issues. Sometimes the get fixed. Don't attack anyone, just state from your perspective these are frustrations. I know it is kinda counter intuitive but don't state them as factually wrong things but as things that are impacting morale. If your boss is the type that gets defensive, just be happy to walk away.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":182.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtp61rs","c_root_id_B":"gto6ghm","created_at_utc_A":1617809893,"created_at_utc_B":1617789661,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If exit interview, answer honestly while being careful not to come off as bitter or put too much blame on any individual. You don\u2019t want to burn bridges, but there is no harm in being candid if you can do so in a way that is respectful and constructive.","human_ref_B":"You should post your feedback here first. We will notice everything you can't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20232.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtot0sm","c_root_id_B":"gtp61rs","created_at_utc_A":1617803982,"created_at_utc_B":1617809893,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If your recommendation require redesigning the org chart, you can't expect change quickly. If you recommend shortening the iterative design-build-test cycle, then maybe someone at the top need to adopt agile product design methodology for that to happen. My experience is that there are constant budget constraints from finance, timeline constraints from project manager, new feature dream up by marketing for the next campaign and proposals and delays from R&D. Managers have to prioritize task and not all feedback from the testing team will be addressed unless it is regulatory. You complaints maybe low priority and the manager who rank it low didn't explain it to the testing team properly. It is possible that the R&D engineer want to spend time fixing the problem rather than communicate with the testing team. It's beneficial to understand what pays the bill in your industry and customer's procurement process. Is your complaints on customer's procurement specification? Products are often designed around cost, function, speed and safety to win procurement tender bids rather than user experience because the decision makers at the hospital has a budget and don't use the product themselves. Some issues can also be addressed by sending field service technicians to calibrate sensors or replace parts, which may come from a separate part of customer's budget. Align your complaints to cost, function, speed and safety and specification will help you get heard. Back up your complaints with metrics, such as it takes X sec or Y taps to complete task z, which is higher than competition. Instead of saying \"many people feel..\" say a small survey was conducted and x people was asked the question y and z% respond with \\_. Instead of saying \"treated us like customers\", say implementing a tracking system for complaints from the testing team and assigning priority, deadline and owner ensures the product meet design specification. Alternatively, say feedback from the R&D team on complaints from the testing team can help the testing team focus effort on high priority design objective.","human_ref_B":"If exit interview, answer honestly while being careful not to come off as bitter or put too much blame on any individual. You don\u2019t want to burn bridges, but there is no harm in being candid if you can do so in a way that is respectful and constructive.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5911.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtp61rs","c_root_id_B":"gtp1s64","created_at_utc_A":1617809893,"created_at_utc_B":1617808015,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If exit interview, answer honestly while being careful not to come off as bitter or put too much blame on any individual. You don\u2019t want to burn bridges, but there is no harm in being candid if you can do so in a way that is respectful and constructive.","human_ref_B":"As others have said, it partially depends on your manager. I did an exit interview with HR, but my manager also asked to have a chat with me when I left my first job, and straight up asked if they could have done more differently to make me more satisfied. I felt totally comfortable telling him the things that frustrated me, in part because I'd already mentioned things like that before, and in part because I knew he wouldn't take any of it personally (it helps that he wasn't the problem.) It sounds like you have a good relationship with them, so I would be honest with them. You did find a job that's a better fit for you, so tell them that, it's not like you took just any job to get the hell out of your current position. But, part of what contributed to you looking for something else or what made it easier to leave is the fact that you feel undervalued and disrespected by the rest of the organization. As you said, you've heard the same sentiment from others, so you leaving should be a wake-up call to them. If the cultural problem is so significant it's pushing people to leave, it needs to be addressed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1878.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gto6ghm","c_root_id_B":"gtpaysn","created_at_utc_A":1617789661,"created_at_utc_B":1617812015,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You should post your feedback here first. We will notice everything you can't.","human_ref_B":"If one isn't offered, ask for an exit interview. Give them the details and let them do with them what they will. Most importantly, enjoy that new job!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22354.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtot0sm","c_root_id_B":"gtpaysn","created_at_utc_A":1617803982,"created_at_utc_B":1617812015,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If your recommendation require redesigning the org chart, you can't expect change quickly. If you recommend shortening the iterative design-build-test cycle, then maybe someone at the top need to adopt agile product design methodology for that to happen. My experience is that there are constant budget constraints from finance, timeline constraints from project manager, new feature dream up by marketing for the next campaign and proposals and delays from R&D. Managers have to prioritize task and not all feedback from the testing team will be addressed unless it is regulatory. You complaints maybe low priority and the manager who rank it low didn't explain it to the testing team properly. It is possible that the R&D engineer want to spend time fixing the problem rather than communicate with the testing team. It's beneficial to understand what pays the bill in your industry and customer's procurement process. Is your complaints on customer's procurement specification? Products are often designed around cost, function, speed and safety to win procurement tender bids rather than user experience because the decision makers at the hospital has a budget and don't use the product themselves. Some issues can also be addressed by sending field service technicians to calibrate sensors or replace parts, which may come from a separate part of customer's budget. Align your complaints to cost, function, speed and safety and specification will help you get heard. Back up your complaints with metrics, such as it takes X sec or Y taps to complete task z, which is higher than competition. Instead of saying \"many people feel..\" say a small survey was conducted and x people was asked the question y and z% respond with \\_. Instead of saying \"treated us like customers\", say implementing a tracking system for complaints from the testing team and assigning priority, deadline and owner ensures the product meet design specification. Alternatively, say feedback from the R&D team on complaints from the testing team can help the testing team focus effort on high priority design objective.","human_ref_B":"If one isn't offered, ask for an exit interview. Give them the details and let them do with them what they will. Most importantly, enjoy that new job!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8033.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtpaysn","c_root_id_B":"gtp1s64","created_at_utc_A":1617812015,"created_at_utc_B":1617808015,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If one isn't offered, ask for an exit interview. Give them the details and let them do with them what they will. Most importantly, enjoy that new job!","human_ref_B":"As others have said, it partially depends on your manager. I did an exit interview with HR, but my manager also asked to have a chat with me when I left my first job, and straight up asked if they could have done more differently to make me more satisfied. I felt totally comfortable telling him the things that frustrated me, in part because I'd already mentioned things like that before, and in part because I knew he wouldn't take any of it personally (it helps that he wasn't the problem.) It sounds like you have a good relationship with them, so I would be honest with them. You did find a job that's a better fit for you, so tell them that, it's not like you took just any job to get the hell out of your current position. But, part of what contributed to you looking for something else or what made it easier to leave is the fact that you feel undervalued and disrespected by the rest of the organization. As you said, you've heard the same sentiment from others, so you leaving should be a wake-up call to them. If the cultural problem is so significant it's pushing people to leave, it needs to be addressed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4000.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gto6ghm","c_root_id_B":"gtpc5ck","created_at_utc_A":1617789661,"created_at_utc_B":1617812518,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You should post your feedback here first. We will notice everything you can't.","human_ref_B":"Possible Pros: * Inner feel good, clear conscience, you speak your mind and do what you think is right. * They hear understand and act on your critique using it to improve their business (which might someday employ you again.) * You might hear back from them things you don't currently know that help you appreciate a problem larger and more complex problem than you initially thought, and grow as a person. Possible Cons: * One of your bosses, whose stressed, feels unappreciated, is working on this, maybe in too deep, loses it on you in a fit of misguided rage. * Someone takes quiet offence and makes a note not to hire you if you ever apply back. * Someone bad mouths you in a reference call. ​ ​ There are other considerations but these would be my main ones. What kind of person do you work for, and what kind of person will be conducting the interview. Most of the pros are ethereal and most of the cons are hard.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22857.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtpc5ck","c_root_id_B":"gtot0sm","created_at_utc_A":1617812518,"created_at_utc_B":1617803982,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Possible Pros: * Inner feel good, clear conscience, you speak your mind and do what you think is right. * They hear understand and act on your critique using it to improve their business (which might someday employ you again.) * You might hear back from them things you don't currently know that help you appreciate a problem larger and more complex problem than you initially thought, and grow as a person. Possible Cons: * One of your bosses, whose stressed, feels unappreciated, is working on this, maybe in too deep, loses it on you in a fit of misguided rage. * Someone takes quiet offence and makes a note not to hire you if you ever apply back. * Someone bad mouths you in a reference call. ​ ​ There are other considerations but these would be my main ones. What kind of person do you work for, and what kind of person will be conducting the interview. Most of the pros are ethereal and most of the cons are hard.","human_ref_B":"If your recommendation require redesigning the org chart, you can't expect change quickly. If you recommend shortening the iterative design-build-test cycle, then maybe someone at the top need to adopt agile product design methodology for that to happen. My experience is that there are constant budget constraints from finance, timeline constraints from project manager, new feature dream up by marketing for the next campaign and proposals and delays from R&D. Managers have to prioritize task and not all feedback from the testing team will be addressed unless it is regulatory. You complaints maybe low priority and the manager who rank it low didn't explain it to the testing team properly. It is possible that the R&D engineer want to spend time fixing the problem rather than communicate with the testing team. It's beneficial to understand what pays the bill in your industry and customer's procurement process. Is your complaints on customer's procurement specification? Products are often designed around cost, function, speed and safety to win procurement tender bids rather than user experience because the decision makers at the hospital has a budget and don't use the product themselves. Some issues can also be addressed by sending field service technicians to calibrate sensors or replace parts, which may come from a separate part of customer's budget. Align your complaints to cost, function, speed and safety and specification will help you get heard. Back up your complaints with metrics, such as it takes X sec or Y taps to complete task z, which is higher than competition. Instead of saying \"many people feel..\" say a small survey was conducted and x people was asked the question y and z% respond with \\_. Instead of saying \"treated us like customers\", say implementing a tracking system for complaints from the testing team and assigning priority, deadline and owner ensures the product meet design specification. Alternatively, say feedback from the R&D team on complaints from the testing team can help the testing team focus effort on high priority design objective.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8536.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mlxyzh","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Should I tell my bosses what I think is wrong with the job? I will be putting in my two weeks soon because I found a new job. Should I tell my bosses that I\u2019m leaving because the new job aligns better with the responsibilities i want to have (this is true) or should i also tell them that I think there are major problems with how our department interfaces with other departments and are valued by R&D overall? I know more people on my team feel the same way as me. I also don\u2019t think there\u2019s much my managers can do about it. I guess my main complaint is that as a test engineer, we are ideally supposed to act like customers and therefore I would imagine that our complaints should be treated like customers. Many times we are met with \u201cthats just how it works\u201d or \u201cwe will see if customers complain about it before we address it\u201d. It seems like we are viewed as box checkers and not as part of the team to make a good product. Should I bother telling my managers this? I think they are genuinely good managers and value each person on the team and I\u2019m not sure that they can do anything about it. I know that multiple people on the team are feeling this way too. What do you think?","c_root_id_A":"gtpc5ck","c_root_id_B":"gtp1s64","created_at_utc_A":1617812518,"created_at_utc_B":1617808015,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Possible Pros: * Inner feel good, clear conscience, you speak your mind and do what you think is right. * They hear understand and act on your critique using it to improve their business (which might someday employ you again.) * You might hear back from them things you don't currently know that help you appreciate a problem larger and more complex problem than you initially thought, and grow as a person. Possible Cons: * One of your bosses, whose stressed, feels unappreciated, is working on this, maybe in too deep, loses it on you in a fit of misguided rage. * Someone takes quiet offence and makes a note not to hire you if you ever apply back. * Someone bad mouths you in a reference call. ​ ​ There are other considerations but these would be my main ones. What kind of person do you work for, and what kind of person will be conducting the interview. Most of the pros are ethereal and most of the cons are hard.","human_ref_B":"As others have said, it partially depends on your manager. I did an exit interview with HR, but my manager also asked to have a chat with me when I left my first job, and straight up asked if they could have done more differently to make me more satisfied. I felt totally comfortable telling him the things that frustrated me, in part because I'd already mentioned things like that before, and in part because I knew he wouldn't take any of it personally (it helps that he wasn't the problem.) It sounds like you have a good relationship with them, so I would be honest with them. You did find a job that's a better fit for you, so tell them that, it's not like you took just any job to get the hell out of your current position. But, part of what contributed to you looking for something else or what made it easier to leave is the fact that you feel undervalued and disrespected by the rest of the organization. As you said, you've heard the same sentiment from others, so you leaving should be a wake-up call to them. If the cultural problem is so significant it's pushing people to leave, it needs to be addressed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4503.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inkqbgp","c_root_id_B":"inl05gy","created_at_utc_A":1662636658,"created_at_utc_B":1662641877,"score_A":30,"score_B":162,"human_ref_A":"Even before you get to the technical challenges (0-g material processing, downmass capabilities, automation,...) there is no market for it. Your cost is orders of magnitude higher than terrestrial mining, and no-one is there to make use of raw material in space.","human_ref_B":"It costs 50M$ to launch 20 tons of material in low earth orbit (\\~1000km of altitude). It costs \\~1.5 billion dollars to launch a probe of 3 tons on a comet\/asteroid. You don't really realise how insanely expensive it is to go in space. We are not running out of ressources on Earth, we are running out of *easily available* ressources, there is a huge difference. But it would always be less expensive to mine ressources on Earth than in space, no matter how hard the mining becomes on Earth in the future.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5219.0,"score_ratio":5.4} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inlz6tg","c_root_id_B":"inlir2a","created_at_utc_A":1662655961,"created_at_utc_B":1662649758,"score_A":10,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"You use the word \"mine\". I'm going to take that to mean \"gather resources\" because very few proposals for extraterrestrial mines actually look much like Earth mines. The term that is used in the space industry is In-Situ Resource Utilization, or ISRU. The idea is you gather resources in space, and then use those resources. There have been numerous proposals and there are companies working on these proposals. **Mars:** Zubrin popularized the idea of ISRU to make rocket fuel on Mars to use for your return to Earth. Every proposal for the past 20 years to send humans to Mars has included the idea of collecting resources on Mars to use to make rocket fuel to get home. SpaceX is currently designing a rocket called Starship which runs on methane fuel and liquid oxygen, because these are the fuels that can be \"easily\" made on Mars. To make then you need CO2 (which you can get from the atmosphere) and water (which you can get from permafrost or a glacier...hopefully using a Rodwell, otherwise by using heavy equipment to mine the ice and then melt it). Making rocket fuel on Mars for the return trip dramatically reduces the cost of going to Mars. **Moon:** There is water ice in permanently shadowed craters on the moons poles. NASA is currently focused on a return to the moon, specifically to go to the poles to investigate this water. There are many companies that have proposed mining this water, there have been many concept designs for ways to mine this water. The water would then be split into hydrogen and oxygen to be used as rocket fuel. It costs a lot of money to launch anything off the surface of Earth. Fuel is a major fraction of the weight of any space mission. If you can get your fuel from space instead of from the surface of the Earth, you have the potential to drastically cut your costs. **Asteroids:** If you've noticed the pattern, you already know what I'm going to say about asteroids. There are proposals to mine asteroids to get rocket fuel for use in space. There is a company called TransAstra which is developing a technique called optical mining, which basically heats up an asteroid with a magnifying glass, vaporizes water in the asteroid (asteroids are up to 8% water) and then captures and condenses that water vapor. That water can then be used in space as rocket fuel, radiation shielding, for life support systems, and even when frozen as a structural material. You will notice that nothing I talked about includes bringing outer space resources to Earth. It will cost a lot to mine resources in space. If you want to use those resources on Earth, it will be much cheaper to get those resources on Earth. Right now an outer space mine couldn't possibly compete with an Earth mine for resources sold on Earth. In the future that might change...but don't hold your breath. But outer space mines could definitely compete with Earth mines for resources used in space, because it costs so much money to launch resources from Earth to space. If it costs $3000 to launch one kilogram into orbit, than a space mine could sell 1 liter of water for $3000! So what are the challenges? 1. Technology: We have never gathered resources in space for use in space (except for solar panels). We are still learning how. Optical mining looks very promising, and variations of the technique could work on the moon and Mars. But it has never been done. 2. Market: Currently there is no fuel depot in orbit that can refuel satellites, so satellites are not built to be refuellable. But if someone builds a fuel depot in orbit, they won't be able to sell any fuel...because satellites are not built to be refuellable! It is a chicken-and-egg problem. Do you build a fuel depot first, or do you build refuellable satellites first? 3. Competition: Launch costs have dropped significantly in the past decade. SpaceX claims they will drop even further. Of course lower launch costs means it is cheaper to launch mining equipment into space, but it also means the resources you mine aren't worth as much. Two decades ago, you could sell 1 liter of water in space for $10,000. Now, you would only get $3000 for your liter of water. SpaceX claims that in the near future you'll only be able to get $300 for a liter of water.","human_ref_B":"Most significant barriers like others discussed are: 1. Insane cost per ton to move equipment off Earth into position to mine asteroids. 2. Logistics. How long would it actually take to use current technology to get to the asteroid, mine it, store it, ship it for processing, etc. These things aren't exactly close together or close to us. 3. Lack of infrastructure. We would need to create some kind of orbital processing facility in 0-G to do anything with it, we can't just throw asteroids back at Earth for processing. If there were some huge advancements in Electromagnetic or Atomic physics where we found a way to basically break down the structure of an entire asteroid to the atomic level and use electromagnetic systems to collect the material in space, it could make the process efficient enough to be viable. Getting it back to Earth in profitable quantities would still be outrageously difficult. Most of the material mined in space would probably stay there and be used in orbital manufacuring facilities to create new ships, stations, and equipment there, instead of having to manufacture it on Earth and then launch it from within Earth's gravity. Unfortunately the physics and infrastructure involved are simply beyond what humanity is capable of currently. It's really hard to move mass around when you're still limited by application of newton's laws. But whoever figures out how to make it work will be the wealthiest and most powerful human to ever live. (Some of these ideas come from OSC's series on the First Formic War, Ender's Game prequel books)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6203.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inlvgxw","c_root_id_B":"inlz6tg","created_at_utc_A":1662654576,"created_at_utc_B":1662655961,"score_A":3,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Beyond the massive investment required to reach orbit, there's also the issue of what you'll find in space -- while there may be a greater abundance of precious elements like platinum and lithium, you won't find more complex resources that require pressure (i.e. diamonds), heat (emeralds), organic material (coal), or all of the above (oil). Also returning large quantities of mined metals to earth is very risky -- you'd essentially be deliberately bombarding earth with very carefully crafted meteors, and a miscalculation could create an extinction event or an ablation cascade.","human_ref_B":"You use the word \"mine\". I'm going to take that to mean \"gather resources\" because very few proposals for extraterrestrial mines actually look much like Earth mines. The term that is used in the space industry is In-Situ Resource Utilization, or ISRU. The idea is you gather resources in space, and then use those resources. There have been numerous proposals and there are companies working on these proposals. **Mars:** Zubrin popularized the idea of ISRU to make rocket fuel on Mars to use for your return to Earth. Every proposal for the past 20 years to send humans to Mars has included the idea of collecting resources on Mars to use to make rocket fuel to get home. SpaceX is currently designing a rocket called Starship which runs on methane fuel and liquid oxygen, because these are the fuels that can be \"easily\" made on Mars. To make then you need CO2 (which you can get from the atmosphere) and water (which you can get from permafrost or a glacier...hopefully using a Rodwell, otherwise by using heavy equipment to mine the ice and then melt it). Making rocket fuel on Mars for the return trip dramatically reduces the cost of going to Mars. **Moon:** There is water ice in permanently shadowed craters on the moons poles. NASA is currently focused on a return to the moon, specifically to go to the poles to investigate this water. There are many companies that have proposed mining this water, there have been many concept designs for ways to mine this water. The water would then be split into hydrogen and oxygen to be used as rocket fuel. It costs a lot of money to launch anything off the surface of Earth. Fuel is a major fraction of the weight of any space mission. If you can get your fuel from space instead of from the surface of the Earth, you have the potential to drastically cut your costs. **Asteroids:** If you've noticed the pattern, you already know what I'm going to say about asteroids. There are proposals to mine asteroids to get rocket fuel for use in space. There is a company called TransAstra which is developing a technique called optical mining, which basically heats up an asteroid with a magnifying glass, vaporizes water in the asteroid (asteroids are up to 8% water) and then captures and condenses that water vapor. That water can then be used in space as rocket fuel, radiation shielding, for life support systems, and even when frozen as a structural material. You will notice that nothing I talked about includes bringing outer space resources to Earth. It will cost a lot to mine resources in space. If you want to use those resources on Earth, it will be much cheaper to get those resources on Earth. Right now an outer space mine couldn't possibly compete with an Earth mine for resources sold on Earth. In the future that might change...but don't hold your breath. But outer space mines could definitely compete with Earth mines for resources used in space, because it costs so much money to launch resources from Earth to space. If it costs $3000 to launch one kilogram into orbit, than a space mine could sell 1 liter of water for $3000! So what are the challenges? 1. Technology: We have never gathered resources in space for use in space (except for solar panels). We are still learning how. Optical mining looks very promising, and variations of the technique could work on the moon and Mars. But it has never been done. 2. Market: Currently there is no fuel depot in orbit that can refuel satellites, so satellites are not built to be refuellable. But if someone builds a fuel depot in orbit, they won't be able to sell any fuel...because satellites are not built to be refuellable! It is a chicken-and-egg problem. Do you build a fuel depot first, or do you build refuellable satellites first? 3. Competition: Launch costs have dropped significantly in the past decade. SpaceX claims they will drop even further. Of course lower launch costs means it is cheaper to launch mining equipment into space, but it also means the resources you mine aren't worth as much. Two decades ago, you could sell 1 liter of water in space for $10,000. Now, you would only get $3000 for your liter of water. SpaceX claims that in the near future you'll only be able to get $300 for a liter of water.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1385.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inl07p9","c_root_id_B":"inlz6tg","created_at_utc_A":1662641906,"created_at_utc_B":1662655961,"score_A":2,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Not a rocket scientist but I'll have a go: Asteroids are not just a pure lump of platinium ore, they're composed of mostly iron and nickel which are very abundant and cheap on earth.The most obvious issue to me is one of scale. Simply put, you are not going to be returning the thousands of tons of ore that a normal mine would produce in a day. \"A small 10-meter S-type asteroid contains about 650,000 kg (1,433,000 lb) of metal with 50 kg (110 lb) in the form of rare metals like platinum and gold\" \\1\\] If you want that gold and platinum you need to get the mass into a refining facility. Now stealing this stack overflow answer \\[2\\] we find that it takes about 6-8km of delta-v to capture an asteroid in earth orbit, so basically you'd probably need something of the scale of a saturn-V to do the job, which doesn't really exist, and would likely require the reasources comprable to that of a nation state to create \\[1\\] [https:\/\/astronomysource.com\/different-types-of-asteroids\/ \\2\\] [https:\/\/space.stackexchange.com\/questions\/53922\/what-asteroids-have-the-least-delta-v-to-reach","human_ref_B":"You use the word \"mine\". I'm going to take that to mean \"gather resources\" because very few proposals for extraterrestrial mines actually look much like Earth mines. The term that is used in the space industry is In-Situ Resource Utilization, or ISRU. The idea is you gather resources in space, and then use those resources. There have been numerous proposals and there are companies working on these proposals. **Mars:** Zubrin popularized the idea of ISRU to make rocket fuel on Mars to use for your return to Earth. Every proposal for the past 20 years to send humans to Mars has included the idea of collecting resources on Mars to use to make rocket fuel to get home. SpaceX is currently designing a rocket called Starship which runs on methane fuel and liquid oxygen, because these are the fuels that can be \"easily\" made on Mars. To make then you need CO2 (which you can get from the atmosphere) and water (which you can get from permafrost or a glacier...hopefully using a Rodwell, otherwise by using heavy equipment to mine the ice and then melt it). Making rocket fuel on Mars for the return trip dramatically reduces the cost of going to Mars. **Moon:** There is water ice in permanently shadowed craters on the moons poles. NASA is currently focused on a return to the moon, specifically to go to the poles to investigate this water. There are many companies that have proposed mining this water, there have been many concept designs for ways to mine this water. The water would then be split into hydrogen and oxygen to be used as rocket fuel. It costs a lot of money to launch anything off the surface of Earth. Fuel is a major fraction of the weight of any space mission. If you can get your fuel from space instead of from the surface of the Earth, you have the potential to drastically cut your costs. **Asteroids:** If you've noticed the pattern, you already know what I'm going to say about asteroids. There are proposals to mine asteroids to get rocket fuel for use in space. There is a company called TransAstra which is developing a technique called optical mining, which basically heats up an asteroid with a magnifying glass, vaporizes water in the asteroid (asteroids are up to 8% water) and then captures and condenses that water vapor. That water can then be used in space as rocket fuel, radiation shielding, for life support systems, and even when frozen as a structural material. You will notice that nothing I talked about includes bringing outer space resources to Earth. It will cost a lot to mine resources in space. If you want to use those resources on Earth, it will be much cheaper to get those resources on Earth. Right now an outer space mine couldn't possibly compete with an Earth mine for resources sold on Earth. In the future that might change...but don't hold your breath. But outer space mines could definitely compete with Earth mines for resources used in space, because it costs so much money to launch resources from Earth to space. If it costs $3000 to launch one kilogram into orbit, than a space mine could sell 1 liter of water for $3000! So what are the challenges? 1. Technology: We have never gathered resources in space for use in space (except for solar panels). We are still learning how. Optical mining looks very promising, and variations of the technique could work on the moon and Mars. But it has never been done. 2. Market: Currently there is no fuel depot in orbit that can refuel satellites, so satellites are not built to be refuellable. But if someone builds a fuel depot in orbit, they won't be able to sell any fuel...because satellites are not built to be refuellable! It is a chicken-and-egg problem. Do you build a fuel depot first, or do you build refuellable satellites first? 3. Competition: Launch costs have dropped significantly in the past decade. SpaceX claims they will drop even further. Of course lower launch costs means it is cheaper to launch mining equipment into space, but it also means the resources you mine aren't worth as much. Two decades ago, you could sell 1 liter of water in space for $10,000. Now, you would only get $3000 for your liter of water. SpaceX claims that in the near future you'll only be able to get $300 for a liter of water.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14055.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inlz6tg","c_root_id_B":"inlfosu","created_at_utc_A":1662655961,"created_at_utc_B":1662648550,"score_A":10,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You use the word \"mine\". I'm going to take that to mean \"gather resources\" because very few proposals for extraterrestrial mines actually look much like Earth mines. The term that is used in the space industry is In-Situ Resource Utilization, or ISRU. The idea is you gather resources in space, and then use those resources. There have been numerous proposals and there are companies working on these proposals. **Mars:** Zubrin popularized the idea of ISRU to make rocket fuel on Mars to use for your return to Earth. Every proposal for the past 20 years to send humans to Mars has included the idea of collecting resources on Mars to use to make rocket fuel to get home. SpaceX is currently designing a rocket called Starship which runs on methane fuel and liquid oxygen, because these are the fuels that can be \"easily\" made on Mars. To make then you need CO2 (which you can get from the atmosphere) and water (which you can get from permafrost or a glacier...hopefully using a Rodwell, otherwise by using heavy equipment to mine the ice and then melt it). Making rocket fuel on Mars for the return trip dramatically reduces the cost of going to Mars. **Moon:** There is water ice in permanently shadowed craters on the moons poles. NASA is currently focused on a return to the moon, specifically to go to the poles to investigate this water. There are many companies that have proposed mining this water, there have been many concept designs for ways to mine this water. The water would then be split into hydrogen and oxygen to be used as rocket fuel. It costs a lot of money to launch anything off the surface of Earth. Fuel is a major fraction of the weight of any space mission. If you can get your fuel from space instead of from the surface of the Earth, you have the potential to drastically cut your costs. **Asteroids:** If you've noticed the pattern, you already know what I'm going to say about asteroids. There are proposals to mine asteroids to get rocket fuel for use in space. There is a company called TransAstra which is developing a technique called optical mining, which basically heats up an asteroid with a magnifying glass, vaporizes water in the asteroid (asteroids are up to 8% water) and then captures and condenses that water vapor. That water can then be used in space as rocket fuel, radiation shielding, for life support systems, and even when frozen as a structural material. You will notice that nothing I talked about includes bringing outer space resources to Earth. It will cost a lot to mine resources in space. If you want to use those resources on Earth, it will be much cheaper to get those resources on Earth. Right now an outer space mine couldn't possibly compete with an Earth mine for resources sold on Earth. In the future that might change...but don't hold your breath. But outer space mines could definitely compete with Earth mines for resources used in space, because it costs so much money to launch resources from Earth to space. If it costs $3000 to launch one kilogram into orbit, than a space mine could sell 1 liter of water for $3000! So what are the challenges? 1. Technology: We have never gathered resources in space for use in space (except for solar panels). We are still learning how. Optical mining looks very promising, and variations of the technique could work on the moon and Mars. But it has never been done. 2. Market: Currently there is no fuel depot in orbit that can refuel satellites, so satellites are not built to be refuellable. But if someone builds a fuel depot in orbit, they won't be able to sell any fuel...because satellites are not built to be refuellable! It is a chicken-and-egg problem. Do you build a fuel depot first, or do you build refuellable satellites first? 3. Competition: Launch costs have dropped significantly in the past decade. SpaceX claims they will drop even further. Of course lower launch costs means it is cheaper to launch mining equipment into space, but it also means the resources you mine aren't worth as much. Two decades ago, you could sell 1 liter of water in space for $10,000. Now, you would only get $3000 for your liter of water. SpaceX claims that in the near future you'll only be able to get $300 for a liter of water.","human_ref_B":"I would add to the question.... are bezos and Musk playing the long game with their space ventures. Do they anticipate a viable space mining operation opportunity in the future? Mining in space as a hub to further space exploration with launches from that hub is much more viable as a relatively short term opportunity presumably. Space mining is expensive, but what alternatives exist if china and Russia sit on the vast amounts of specific resources on earth?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7411.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inl07p9","c_root_id_B":"inlir2a","created_at_utc_A":1662641906,"created_at_utc_B":1662649758,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Not a rocket scientist but I'll have a go: Asteroids are not just a pure lump of platinium ore, they're composed of mostly iron and nickel which are very abundant and cheap on earth.The most obvious issue to me is one of scale. Simply put, you are not going to be returning the thousands of tons of ore that a normal mine would produce in a day. \"A small 10-meter S-type asteroid contains about 650,000 kg (1,433,000 lb) of metal with 50 kg (110 lb) in the form of rare metals like platinum and gold\" \\1\\] If you want that gold and platinum you need to get the mass into a refining facility. Now stealing this stack overflow answer \\[2\\] we find that it takes about 6-8km of delta-v to capture an asteroid in earth orbit, so basically you'd probably need something of the scale of a saturn-V to do the job, which doesn't really exist, and would likely require the reasources comprable to that of a nation state to create \\[1\\] [https:\/\/astronomysource.com\/different-types-of-asteroids\/ \\2\\] [https:\/\/space.stackexchange.com\/questions\/53922\/what-asteroids-have-the-least-delta-v-to-reach","human_ref_B":"Most significant barriers like others discussed are: 1. Insane cost per ton to move equipment off Earth into position to mine asteroids. 2. Logistics. How long would it actually take to use current technology to get to the asteroid, mine it, store it, ship it for processing, etc. These things aren't exactly close together or close to us. 3. Lack of infrastructure. We would need to create some kind of orbital processing facility in 0-G to do anything with it, we can't just throw asteroids back at Earth for processing. If there were some huge advancements in Electromagnetic or Atomic physics where we found a way to basically break down the structure of an entire asteroid to the atomic level and use electromagnetic systems to collect the material in space, it could make the process efficient enough to be viable. Getting it back to Earth in profitable quantities would still be outrageously difficult. Most of the material mined in space would probably stay there and be used in orbital manufacuring facilities to create new ships, stations, and equipment there, instead of having to manufacture it on Earth and then launch it from within Earth's gravity. Unfortunately the physics and infrastructure involved are simply beyond what humanity is capable of currently. It's really hard to move mass around when you're still limited by application of newton's laws. But whoever figures out how to make it work will be the wealthiest and most powerful human to ever live. (Some of these ideas come from OSC's series on the First Formic War, Ender's Game prequel books)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7852.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inlfosu","c_root_id_B":"inlir2a","created_at_utc_A":1662648550,"created_at_utc_B":1662649758,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I would add to the question.... are bezos and Musk playing the long game with their space ventures. Do they anticipate a viable space mining operation opportunity in the future? Mining in space as a hub to further space exploration with launches from that hub is much more viable as a relatively short term opportunity presumably. Space mining is expensive, but what alternatives exist if china and Russia sit on the vast amounts of specific resources on earth?","human_ref_B":"Most significant barriers like others discussed are: 1. Insane cost per ton to move equipment off Earth into position to mine asteroids. 2. Logistics. How long would it actually take to use current technology to get to the asteroid, mine it, store it, ship it for processing, etc. These things aren't exactly close together or close to us. 3. Lack of infrastructure. We would need to create some kind of orbital processing facility in 0-G to do anything with it, we can't just throw asteroids back at Earth for processing. If there were some huge advancements in Electromagnetic or Atomic physics where we found a way to basically break down the structure of an entire asteroid to the atomic level and use electromagnetic systems to collect the material in space, it could make the process efficient enough to be viable. Getting it back to Earth in profitable quantities would still be outrageously difficult. Most of the material mined in space would probably stay there and be used in orbital manufacuring facilities to create new ships, stations, and equipment there, instead of having to manufacture it on Earth and then launch it from within Earth's gravity. Unfortunately the physics and infrastructure involved are simply beyond what humanity is capable of currently. It's really hard to move mass around when you're still limited by application of newton's laws. But whoever figures out how to make it work will be the wealthiest and most powerful human to ever live. (Some of these ideas come from OSC's series on the First Formic War, Ender's Game prequel books)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1208.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inlvgxw","c_root_id_B":"inmlr1s","created_at_utc_A":1662654576,"created_at_utc_B":1662664666,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Beyond the massive investment required to reach orbit, there's also the issue of what you'll find in space -- while there may be a greater abundance of precious elements like platinum and lithium, you won't find more complex resources that require pressure (i.e. diamonds), heat (emeralds), organic material (coal), or all of the above (oil). Also returning large quantities of mined metals to earth is very risky -- you'd essentially be deliberately bombarding earth with very carefully crafted meteors, and a miscalculation could create an extinction event or an ablation cascade.","human_ref_B":"We just have no idea how to operate mining machinery in microgravity. The best we have achieved so far is to touch an asteroid and get samples without destroying the spacecraft. We also have no idea how to do mineral refinement at any scale. All our existing earth methods rely on gravity or consumables or both. We have to figure all the tools and methods from scratch and frankly I think this is not possible without putting a habitable lab directly on an asteroid. We just can't figure all this with remote control. Humans need to be there.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10090.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inmlr1s","c_root_id_B":"inl07p9","created_at_utc_A":1662664666,"created_at_utc_B":1662641906,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"We just have no idea how to operate mining machinery in microgravity. The best we have achieved so far is to touch an asteroid and get samples without destroying the spacecraft. We also have no idea how to do mineral refinement at any scale. All our existing earth methods rely on gravity or consumables or both. We have to figure all the tools and methods from scratch and frankly I think this is not possible without putting a habitable lab directly on an asteroid. We just can't figure all this with remote control. Humans need to be there.","human_ref_B":"Not a rocket scientist but I'll have a go: Asteroids are not just a pure lump of platinium ore, they're composed of mostly iron and nickel which are very abundant and cheap on earth.The most obvious issue to me is one of scale. Simply put, you are not going to be returning the thousands of tons of ore that a normal mine would produce in a day. \"A small 10-meter S-type asteroid contains about 650,000 kg (1,433,000 lb) of metal with 50 kg (110 lb) in the form of rare metals like platinum and gold\" \\1\\] If you want that gold and platinum you need to get the mass into a refining facility. Now stealing this stack overflow answer \\[2\\] we find that it takes about 6-8km of delta-v to capture an asteroid in earth orbit, so basically you'd probably need something of the scale of a saturn-V to do the job, which doesn't really exist, and would likely require the reasources comprable to that of a nation state to create \\[1\\] [https:\/\/astronomysource.com\/different-types-of-asteroids\/ \\2\\] [https:\/\/space.stackexchange.com\/questions\/53922\/what-asteroids-have-the-least-delta-v-to-reach","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22760.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inmlr1s","c_root_id_B":"inlfosu","created_at_utc_A":1662664666,"created_at_utc_B":1662648550,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"We just have no idea how to operate mining machinery in microgravity. The best we have achieved so far is to touch an asteroid and get samples without destroying the spacecraft. We also have no idea how to do mineral refinement at any scale. All our existing earth methods rely on gravity or consumables or both. We have to figure all the tools and methods from scratch and frankly I think this is not possible without putting a habitable lab directly on an asteroid. We just can't figure all this with remote control. Humans need to be there.","human_ref_B":"I would add to the question.... are bezos and Musk playing the long game with their space ventures. Do they anticipate a viable space mining operation opportunity in the future? Mining in space as a hub to further space exploration with launches from that hub is much more viable as a relatively short term opportunity presumably. Space mining is expensive, but what alternatives exist if china and Russia sit on the vast amounts of specific resources on earth?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16116.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inmlr1s","c_root_id_B":"inm1c8t","created_at_utc_A":1662664666,"created_at_utc_B":1662656762,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"We just have no idea how to operate mining machinery in microgravity. The best we have achieved so far is to touch an asteroid and get samples without destroying the spacecraft. We also have no idea how to do mineral refinement at any scale. All our existing earth methods rely on gravity or consumables or both. We have to figure all the tools and methods from scratch and frankly I think this is not possible without putting a habitable lab directly on an asteroid. We just can't figure all this with remote control. Humans need to be there.","human_ref_B":"Getting to the asteroid. Landing on the asteroid. Launching off the asteroid. Landing payload back on Earth. Quite literally, the last 3 are the most dangerous parts and risk total failure of the operation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7904.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inlvgxw","c_root_id_B":"inl07p9","created_at_utc_A":1662654576,"created_at_utc_B":1662641906,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Beyond the massive investment required to reach orbit, there's also the issue of what you'll find in space -- while there may be a greater abundance of precious elements like platinum and lithium, you won't find more complex resources that require pressure (i.e. diamonds), heat (emeralds), organic material (coal), or all of the above (oil). Also returning large quantities of mined metals to earth is very risky -- you'd essentially be deliberately bombarding earth with very carefully crafted meteors, and a miscalculation could create an extinction event or an ablation cascade.","human_ref_B":"Not a rocket scientist but I'll have a go: Asteroids are not just a pure lump of platinium ore, they're composed of mostly iron and nickel which are very abundant and cheap on earth.The most obvious issue to me is one of scale. Simply put, you are not going to be returning the thousands of tons of ore that a normal mine would produce in a day. \"A small 10-meter S-type asteroid contains about 650,000 kg (1,433,000 lb) of metal with 50 kg (110 lb) in the form of rare metals like platinum and gold\" \\1\\] If you want that gold and platinum you need to get the mass into a refining facility. Now stealing this stack overflow answer \\[2\\] we find that it takes about 6-8km of delta-v to capture an asteroid in earth orbit, so basically you'd probably need something of the scale of a saturn-V to do the job, which doesn't really exist, and would likely require the reasources comprable to that of a nation state to create \\[1\\] [https:\/\/astronomysource.com\/different-types-of-asteroids\/ \\2\\] [https:\/\/space.stackexchange.com\/questions\/53922\/what-asteroids-have-the-least-delta-v-to-reach","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12670.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inlfosu","c_root_id_B":"inlvgxw","created_at_utc_A":1662648550,"created_at_utc_B":1662654576,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I would add to the question.... are bezos and Musk playing the long game with their space ventures. Do they anticipate a viable space mining operation opportunity in the future? Mining in space as a hub to further space exploration with launches from that hub is much more viable as a relatively short term opportunity presumably. Space mining is expensive, but what alternatives exist if china and Russia sit on the vast amounts of specific resources on earth?","human_ref_B":"Beyond the massive investment required to reach orbit, there's also the issue of what you'll find in space -- while there may be a greater abundance of precious elements like platinum and lithium, you won't find more complex resources that require pressure (i.e. diamonds), heat (emeralds), organic material (coal), or all of the above (oil). Also returning large quantities of mined metals to earth is very risky -- you'd essentially be deliberately bombarding earth with very carefully crafted meteors, and a miscalculation could create an extinction event or an ablation cascade.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6026.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inl07p9","c_root_id_B":"inmpynt","created_at_utc_A":1662641906,"created_at_utc_B":1662666266,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Not a rocket scientist but I'll have a go: Asteroids are not just a pure lump of platinium ore, they're composed of mostly iron and nickel which are very abundant and cheap on earth.The most obvious issue to me is one of scale. Simply put, you are not going to be returning the thousands of tons of ore that a normal mine would produce in a day. \"A small 10-meter S-type asteroid contains about 650,000 kg (1,433,000 lb) of metal with 50 kg (110 lb) in the form of rare metals like platinum and gold\" \\1\\] If you want that gold and platinum you need to get the mass into a refining facility. Now stealing this stack overflow answer \\[2\\] we find that it takes about 6-8km of delta-v to capture an asteroid in earth orbit, so basically you'd probably need something of the scale of a saturn-V to do the job, which doesn't really exist, and would likely require the reasources comprable to that of a nation state to create \\[1\\] [https:\/\/astronomysource.com\/different-types-of-asteroids\/ \\2\\] [https:\/\/space.stackexchange.com\/questions\/53922\/what-asteroids-have-the-least-delta-v-to-reach","human_ref_B":"Biggest problem is that its just a stupid idea. That means that everything is a \"biggest problem\". Literally no part of the the mining process is even scientifically feasible at this point. Like from a laws of physics perspective. Its like asking someone from ancient Greece \"Whats the biggest problem today for getting a Hoplite to the moon\".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24360.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inmpynt","c_root_id_B":"inlfosu","created_at_utc_A":1662666266,"created_at_utc_B":1662648550,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Biggest problem is that its just a stupid idea. That means that everything is a \"biggest problem\". Literally no part of the the mining process is even scientifically feasible at this point. Like from a laws of physics perspective. Its like asking someone from ancient Greece \"Whats the biggest problem today for getting a Hoplite to the moon\".","human_ref_B":"I would add to the question.... are bezos and Musk playing the long game with their space ventures. Do they anticipate a viable space mining operation opportunity in the future? Mining in space as a hub to further space exploration with launches from that hub is much more viable as a relatively short term opportunity presumably. Space mining is expensive, but what alternatives exist if china and Russia sit on the vast amounts of specific resources on earth?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17716.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inmpynt","c_root_id_B":"inm1c8t","created_at_utc_A":1662666266,"created_at_utc_B":1662656762,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Biggest problem is that its just a stupid idea. That means that everything is a \"biggest problem\". Literally no part of the the mining process is even scientifically feasible at this point. Like from a laws of physics perspective. Its like asking someone from ancient Greece \"Whats the biggest problem today for getting a Hoplite to the moon\".","human_ref_B":"Getting to the asteroid. Landing on the asteroid. Launching off the asteroid. Landing payload back on Earth. Quite literally, the last 3 are the most dangerous parts and risk total failure of the operation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9504.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"innj8zw","c_root_id_B":"inl07p9","created_at_utc_A":1662677778,"created_at_utc_B":1662641906,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Shits in space","human_ref_B":"Not a rocket scientist but I'll have a go: Asteroids are not just a pure lump of platinium ore, they're composed of mostly iron and nickel which are very abundant and cheap on earth.The most obvious issue to me is one of scale. Simply put, you are not going to be returning the thousands of tons of ore that a normal mine would produce in a day. \"A small 10-meter S-type asteroid contains about 650,000 kg (1,433,000 lb) of metal with 50 kg (110 lb) in the form of rare metals like platinum and gold\" \\1\\] If you want that gold and platinum you need to get the mass into a refining facility. Now stealing this stack overflow answer \\[2\\] we find that it takes about 6-8km of delta-v to capture an asteroid in earth orbit, so basically you'd probably need something of the scale of a saturn-V to do the job, which doesn't really exist, and would likely require the reasources comprable to that of a nation state to create \\[1\\] [https:\/\/astronomysource.com\/different-types-of-asteroids\/ \\2\\] [https:\/\/space.stackexchange.com\/questions\/53922\/what-asteroids-have-the-least-delta-v-to-reach","labels":1,"seconds_difference":35872.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inlfosu","c_root_id_B":"innj8zw","created_at_utc_A":1662648550,"created_at_utc_B":1662677778,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I would add to the question.... are bezos and Musk playing the long game with their space ventures. Do they anticipate a viable space mining operation opportunity in the future? Mining in space as a hub to further space exploration with launches from that hub is much more viable as a relatively short term opportunity presumably. Space mining is expensive, but what alternatives exist if china and Russia sit on the vast amounts of specific resources on earth?","human_ref_B":"Shits in space","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29228.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inm1c8t","c_root_id_B":"innj8zw","created_at_utc_A":1662656762,"created_at_utc_B":1662677778,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Getting to the asteroid. Landing on the asteroid. Launching off the asteroid. Landing payload back on Earth. Quite literally, the last 3 are the most dangerous parts and risk total failure of the operation.","human_ref_B":"Shits in space","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21016.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"innj8zw","c_root_id_B":"inmtlr8","created_at_utc_A":1662677778,"created_at_utc_B":1662667645,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Shits in space","human_ref_B":"Getting to the planet not to mention the politics of funding it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10133.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"x8xios","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is the biggest problems today for astro mining? What are the biggest issues with trying to mine outside the earth and is there companies making plans to do this in the future?","c_root_id_A":"inn26u3","c_root_id_B":"innj8zw","created_at_utc_A":1662670880,"created_at_utc_B":1662677778,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Everyone else made excellent points about the physical challenges. Let me just add this: Most of the problems listed (lift costs, microgravity refining etc) can all be solved by the usual answer. Throw money and engineering talent at it. Problem is, you would need a resource far more valuable than gold to justify that sort of speculative investment. The moon is rich in aluminum and He3, the asteroids have shit loads of nickle iron, manganese and such. All that stuff can be obtained far more cheaply here on Earth. The only plausible reason for extensive work in this field would be to provide raw materials for space assembly of more space craft. And that pretty much demands a very large and long term project making hundreds of vessels in order for the savings in lift costs to outweigh the costs and risks of astro mining R&D. There's a bit of lifting ourselves up by our bootstraps involved. We can't really develop astro mining until we have a large and thriving space presence. But we can't justify the effort to develop a space presence until we have a working supply of finished materials waiting for us up there.","human_ref_B":"Shits in space","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6898.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8qrqg7","c_root_id_B":"h8qwrkb","created_at_utc_A":1628826652,"created_at_utc_B":1628829583,"score_A":30,"score_B":64,"human_ref_A":"I might have smoked a tad less weed and went to class more","human_ref_B":"I wish I studied more for genuine understanding and long term memory rather than just enough to get a good grade and then forget. I\u2019ve recently realized that I paid so much to be in these classes and I wish I could remember more, especially as the information starts to reappear more in work and upper year classes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2931.0,"score_ratio":2.1333333333} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8qwf6p","c_root_id_B":"h8qwrkb","created_at_utc_A":1628829372,"created_at_utc_B":1628829583,"score_A":28,"score_B":64,"human_ref_A":"More reading before class. Try to work through a few example problems. Go into class with an understanding of what the lecture would be about. Review things better.","human_ref_B":"I wish I studied more for genuine understanding and long term memory rather than just enough to get a good grade and then forget. I\u2019ve recently realized that I paid so much to be in these classes and I wish I could remember more, especially as the information starts to reappear more in work and upper year classes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":211.0,"score_ratio":2.2857142857} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8qwrkb","c_root_id_B":"h8qro8t","created_at_utc_A":1628829583,"created_at_utc_B":1628826618,"score_A":64,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I wish I studied more for genuine understanding and long term memory rather than just enough to get a good grade and then forget. I\u2019ve recently realized that I paid so much to be in these classes and I wish I could remember more, especially as the information starts to reappear more in work and upper year classes.","human_ref_B":"If you're okay with taking more than the traditional 4 years to finish, don't take more than 12 credits (maybe 15 depending on classes) of engineering course at once. School is much more fun and interesting when you have the time to dig in to some of the material","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2965.0,"score_ratio":7.1111111111} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8qtcus","c_root_id_B":"h8qrqg7","created_at_utc_A":1628827561,"created_at_utc_B":1628826652,"score_A":66,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"More fun less studying.","human_ref_B":"I might have smoked a tad less weed and went to class more","labels":1,"seconds_difference":909.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8qtcus","c_root_id_B":"h8qro8t","created_at_utc_A":1628827561,"created_at_utc_B":1628826618,"score_A":66,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"More fun less studying.","human_ref_B":"If you're okay with taking more than the traditional 4 years to finish, don't take more than 12 credits (maybe 15 depending on classes) of engineering course at once. School is much more fun and interesting when you have the time to dig in to some of the material","labels":1,"seconds_difference":943.0,"score_ratio":7.3333333333} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8qro8t","c_root_id_B":"h8qrqg7","created_at_utc_A":1628826618,"created_at_utc_B":1628826652,"score_A":9,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"If you're okay with taking more than the traditional 4 years to finish, don't take more than 12 credits (maybe 15 depending on classes) of engineering course at once. School is much more fun and interesting when you have the time to dig in to some of the material","human_ref_B":"I might have smoked a tad less weed and went to class more","labels":0,"seconds_difference":34.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8qwf6p","c_root_id_B":"h8qro8t","created_at_utc_A":1628829372,"created_at_utc_B":1628826618,"score_A":28,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"More reading before class. Try to work through a few example problems. Go into class with an understanding of what the lecture would be about. Review things better.","human_ref_B":"If you're okay with taking more than the traditional 4 years to finish, don't take more than 12 credits (maybe 15 depending on classes) of engineering course at once. School is much more fun and interesting when you have the time to dig in to some of the material","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2754.0,"score_ratio":3.1111111111} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8qzafs","c_root_id_B":"h8r3ogj","created_at_utc_A":1628831154,"created_at_utc_B":1628834123,"score_A":14,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"If I had to do it again: 1. I wouldnt be afraid to take more time to graduate to do more internships instead. I still did 2 in aerospace R&D (ME bachelor) but I think doing more could have helped me avoid having to do grad studies for an R&D position. 2. I wouldnt be afraid of going abroad or in another state\/province for my studies. Looking back, i got \" lazy \" and stayed near my home for financial reasons. Didnt stop me from getting in a top uni for my grad studies, but I had to move away every summer to do my internships in the \"big city\" 3hours away because I ended up in a field that wasn't available in my area. So I had to pay more money in the end renting summer accommodation. 3. This is for the end of your studies if you want to pursue grad studies or for when you will apply to univeristy as an undergrad: Don't put all your eggs in the same basket. Although it worked out well for me as I got in where I wanted both time, I got too confident for my PhD and what I did was way too risky. It was unnecessary stress. I have also some regrets for not applying elsewhere. Not everything is about the university's name. It actually doesnt even matter unless you pursue an academic career. I am curious to see what other opportunities I could have gotten and where it could have taken me if I had applied elsewhere for my grad studies and even for my undergrad.","human_ref_B":"I would have done CS to be completely honest. Job market is much better in that field. Definitely still lots of new work going on in ME field though!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2969.0,"score_ratio":1.3571428571} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8r3ogj","c_root_id_B":"h8qro8t","created_at_utc_A":1628834123,"created_at_utc_B":1628826618,"score_A":19,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I would have done CS to be completely honest. Job market is much better in that field. Definitely still lots of new work going on in ME field though!","human_ref_B":"If you're okay with taking more than the traditional 4 years to finish, don't take more than 12 credits (maybe 15 depending on classes) of engineering course at once. School is much more fun and interesting when you have the time to dig in to some of the material","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7505.0,"score_ratio":2.1111111111} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8qro8t","c_root_id_B":"h8qzafs","created_at_utc_A":1628826618,"created_at_utc_B":1628831154,"score_A":9,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"If you're okay with taking more than the traditional 4 years to finish, don't take more than 12 credits (maybe 15 depending on classes) of engineering course at once. School is much more fun and interesting when you have the time to dig in to some of the material","human_ref_B":"If I had to do it again: 1. I wouldnt be afraid to take more time to graduate to do more internships instead. I still did 2 in aerospace R&D (ME bachelor) but I think doing more could have helped me avoid having to do grad studies for an R&D position. 2. I wouldnt be afraid of going abroad or in another state\/province for my studies. Looking back, i got \" lazy \" and stayed near my home for financial reasons. Didnt stop me from getting in a top uni for my grad studies, but I had to move away every summer to do my internships in the \"big city\" 3hours away because I ended up in a field that wasn't available in my area. So I had to pay more money in the end renting summer accommodation. 3. This is for the end of your studies if you want to pursue grad studies or for when you will apply to univeristy as an undergrad: Don't put all your eggs in the same basket. Although it worked out well for me as I got in where I wanted both time, I got too confident for my PhD and what I did was way too risky. It was unnecessary stress. I have also some regrets for not applying elsewhere. Not everything is about the university's name. It actually doesnt even matter unless you pursue an academic career. I am curious to see what other opportunities I could have gotten and where it could have taken me if I had applied elsewhere for my grad studies and even for my undergrad.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4536.0,"score_ratio":1.5555555556} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8rat5v","c_root_id_B":"h8qro8t","created_at_utc_A":1628839573,"created_at_utc_B":1628826618,"score_A":12,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I would have had more fun with friends and cared WAY less about grades. Graduated with a 3.8 GPA. If I could rewind time and graduate with a 2.8 GPA instead, it would have literally **zero** affect on my career. But I would have had waaaaaaay more fun and free time in college, and that\u2019s something you can never get back. I\u2019d also not study civil engineering.","human_ref_B":"If you're okay with taking more than the traditional 4 years to finish, don't take more than 12 credits (maybe 15 depending on classes) of engineering course at once. School is much more fun and interesting when you have the time to dig in to some of the material","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12955.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8rat5v","c_root_id_B":"h8r60ft","created_at_utc_A":1628839573,"created_at_utc_B":1628835826,"score_A":12,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I would have had more fun with friends and cared WAY less about grades. Graduated with a 3.8 GPA. If I could rewind time and graduate with a 2.8 GPA instead, it would have literally **zero** affect on my career. But I would have had waaaaaaay more fun and free time in college, and that\u2019s something you can never get back. I\u2019d also not study civil engineering.","human_ref_B":"More programming, more EE. I would keep my single on campus apartment instead of moving in with a roommate my senior year. Straight to grad school MS -> PhD","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3747.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8radt0","c_root_id_B":"h8rat5v","created_at_utc_A":1628839229,"created_at_utc_B":1628839573,"score_A":5,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Not get a materials science degree. Mechanical, electrical, or CS would be amazing...","human_ref_B":"I would have had more fun with friends and cared WAY less about grades. Graduated with a 3.8 GPA. If I could rewind time and graduate with a 2.8 GPA instead, it would have literally **zero** affect on my career. But I would have had waaaaaaay more fun and free time in college, and that\u2019s something you can never get back. I\u2019d also not study civil engineering.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":344.0,"score_ratio":2.4} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8rd5pv","c_root_id_B":"h8qro8t","created_at_utc_A":1628841502,"created_at_utc_B":1628826618,"score_A":11,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"If I had the opportunity to return to engineering school, I would: 1. Choose a lucrative major like software or electrical 2. Follow the study plans I set 3. Get more involved in student affairs (clubs, executive boards, etc) 4. Visit each lecturer during office hours to gain clarification on the lectures 5. Take a year off to do relevant internships","human_ref_B":"If you're okay with taking more than the traditional 4 years to finish, don't take more than 12 credits (maybe 15 depending on classes) of engineering course at once. School is much more fun and interesting when you have the time to dig in to some of the material","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14884.0,"score_ratio":1.2222222222} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8rd5pv","c_root_id_B":"h8r60ft","created_at_utc_A":1628841502,"created_at_utc_B":1628835826,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"If I had the opportunity to return to engineering school, I would: 1. Choose a lucrative major like software or electrical 2. Follow the study plans I set 3. Get more involved in student affairs (clubs, executive boards, etc) 4. Visit each lecturer during office hours to gain clarification on the lectures 5. Take a year off to do relevant internships","human_ref_B":"More programming, more EE. I would keep my single on campus apartment instead of moving in with a roommate my senior year. Straight to grad school MS -> PhD","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5676.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8rd5pv","c_root_id_B":"h8radt0","created_at_utc_A":1628841502,"created_at_utc_B":1628839229,"score_A":11,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"If I had the opportunity to return to engineering school, I would: 1. Choose a lucrative major like software or electrical 2. Follow the study plans I set 3. Get more involved in student affairs (clubs, executive boards, etc) 4. Visit each lecturer during office hours to gain clarification on the lectures 5. Take a year off to do relevant internships","human_ref_B":"Not get a materials science degree. Mechanical, electrical, or CS would be amazing...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2273.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8s3pgd","c_root_id_B":"h8s0oqy","created_at_utc_A":1628860480,"created_at_utc_B":1628858754,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I would've not been a pussy and gone into computer\/software engineering instead of mechanical engineering.","human_ref_B":"ME starting at community college is a good path. I did the same. Definitely take lots of software courses if possible. Talking to computers and making computers talk to each other is absolutely the future of industry. Try to make real friends, because once you're out of school it feels damn near impossible.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1726.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8s3j5m","c_root_id_B":"h8s3pgd","created_at_utc_A":1628860381,"created_at_utc_B":1628860480,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Enjoy myself more because life is short.","human_ref_B":"I would've not been a pussy and gone into computer\/software engineering instead of mechanical engineering.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":99.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"p3f9bt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"If you were able to go back to college, what would you change? I\u2019m interested in studying ME (currently at a community college). But I want to know now what I\u2019m able to do now to better set me up in the future. I know some recommendations have been to be more involved in messing around with coding and electrical. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"h8s0v0j","c_root_id_B":"h8s0oqy","created_at_utc_A":1628858853,"created_at_utc_B":1628858754,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"More fun more studying less video games. And be more on top of things regarding applying to internships and whatnot. Maybe switch from ME to CS for better pay and an easier job, but I really liked ME and my current test job so I\u2019m not sure.","human_ref_B":"ME starting at community college is a good path. I did the same. Definitely take lots of software courses if possible. Talking to computers and making computers talk to each other is absolutely the future of industry. Try to make real friends, because once you're out of school it feels damn near impossible.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":99.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"84erqi","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How easy or difficult would it be for me to transition from a career in Mechanical\/Nuclear Engineering to a career in Structural\/Civil Engineering? Some more details: I have two BSs: in Mechanical Engineering and Bio-Engineering and I'm one class away from getting my Masters in Nuclear Engineering. Since graduating college four years ago, I've worked at the same job doing Nuclear and Mechanical Engineering work. I don't dislike my job but I'm not as passionate about it as I'd like to be. About a year ago, I started becoming very interested in architecture, building design, bridge design, etc. and I think it be happy in a structural engineering job. I've done some self-study on the topic (mostly learning about solving indeterminate structures) but I obviously don't have a degree or work experience in the topic. One last thing to note: I have passed the FE in Mechanical Engineering and plan take the PE within the next 6 months to a year.","c_root_id_A":"dvpo6c0","c_root_id_B":"dvp11d6","created_at_utc_A":1521069489,"created_at_utc_B":1521048495,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Worked with mechanical engineers in our structural engineering department. It\u2019s a very natural move and you would only really need to focus on timber and concrete design to catch up","human_ref_B":"Not that difficult at all. What area do you live in?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20994.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"84erqi","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How easy or difficult would it be for me to transition from a career in Mechanical\/Nuclear Engineering to a career in Structural\/Civil Engineering? Some more details: I have two BSs: in Mechanical Engineering and Bio-Engineering and I'm one class away from getting my Masters in Nuclear Engineering. Since graduating college four years ago, I've worked at the same job doing Nuclear and Mechanical Engineering work. I don't dislike my job but I'm not as passionate about it as I'd like to be. About a year ago, I started becoming very interested in architecture, building design, bridge design, etc. and I think it be happy in a structural engineering job. I've done some self-study on the topic (mostly learning about solving indeterminate structures) but I obviously don't have a degree or work experience in the topic. One last thing to note: I have passed the FE in Mechanical Engineering and plan take the PE within the next 6 months to a year.","c_root_id_A":"dvpz0nq","c_root_id_B":"dvp11d6","created_at_utc_A":1521081158,"created_at_utc_B":1521048495,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"how much do you know about soil?","human_ref_B":"Not that difficult at all. What area do you live in?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":32663.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"ns5rke","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Can a person be employed as an engineer and do design work if they are not licensed or supervised by a professional engineer?","c_root_id_A":"h0kgte3","c_root_id_B":"h0kgri0","created_at_utc_A":1622815264,"created_at_utc_B":1622815239,"score_A":42,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Yes and no. It depends on the field. For fields that require a PE (civil, some mechanical areas, buildings\/bridges\/hvac), then its required. But many fields do not have licensing (ie, aircraft design, spacecraft, etc).","human_ref_B":"Depends on the design work","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25.0,"score_ratio":8.4} +{"post_id":"ns5rke","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Can a person be employed as an engineer and do design work if they are not licensed or supervised by a professional engineer?","c_root_id_A":"h0khwgx","c_root_id_B":"h0kgri0","created_at_utc_A":1622815770,"created_at_utc_B":1622815239,"score_A":20,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"This is a state by state, country by country issue. Generally a PE is required for matters of public safety. Industrial design does not require it because industrial locations are not public and paradoxically neither does most consumer product design (although they are often reviewed by third party labs with staff PEs). Sometimes companies ask for it even though it isn't legally required just because that is a very rational choice.","human_ref_B":"Depends on the design work","labels":1,"seconds_difference":531.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"ns5rke","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Can a person be employed as an engineer and do design work if they are not licensed or supervised by a professional engineer?","c_root_id_A":"h0mkm7y","c_root_id_B":"h0kuxo4","created_at_utc_A":1622848887,"created_at_utc_B":1622821463,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This is a USA centrist answer: The (very) *simplified* answer is this: If you are working on a project that is not going to cross state lines (normally this boils down to a building, bridge, roads, civil works or other large non-mobile object), you are going to need a PE (or several) to sign off of the design of it at some point. If you are designing a product that is designed to cross state borders or be sold in multiple states, the product is subject to the interstate commerce clauses and is subject to Federal Regulation (And no one wants to have to get 50 stamps and then design the same product 50 times so it complies with 50 different states product regs). The Feds do not issue PE stamps. So while *most* products that are sold across multiple states do not require a PE stamp, the product is subject to Federal oversight and regulation before it can be sold, so you are subject to review by OSHA, Healthy and Safety, FDA, FAA, NHTSA, ATF and a litany of other Three Letter Agencies (TLAs) and other NGOs that have some sort of regulatory oversight or advisory oversight of the product your are designing. So if you are designing a building, PE stamps galore. Architects, Engineers, everyone gets to have a stamping and signing party. If you are designing a Car. PE stamps are not normally needed. But you have to comply with all of the Federal Regs on how cars are designed and put together. There are specific exceptions to this. It is case by case. This is not legal or engineering advice and should not be construed as such. If you are planning on designing, manufacturing and distributing finished goods across state lines, please consult a lawyer versed in that area of law.","human_ref_B":"Oil and gas, product design, industrial sector - no need. Anything civil or aerospace will require it. Edit: anything aerospace dealing with passenger aircraft or military.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27424.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"ns5rke","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Can a person be employed as an engineer and do design work if they are not licensed or supervised by a professional engineer?","c_root_id_A":"h0l89zi","c_root_id_B":"h0mkm7y","created_at_utc_A":1622827180,"created_at_utc_B":1622848887,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Anyone under the charge of a PE can perform professional design. A PE is required to sign and seal the work. PE\u2019s can only sign and seal work that is within their field(s) of expertise and they have personally done, or has been done by others under their direct supervision. I have many unlicensed designs who work for me where I am the Engineer of Record. Fun fact that you technically cannot call yourself an engineer in title or business salutation without a PE. Otherwise you are a \u2018designer\u2019 or \u2018associate\u2019, although that\u2019s rarely observed anymore.","human_ref_B":"This is a USA centrist answer: The (very) *simplified* answer is this: If you are working on a project that is not going to cross state lines (normally this boils down to a building, bridge, roads, civil works or other large non-mobile object), you are going to need a PE (or several) to sign off of the design of it at some point. If you are designing a product that is designed to cross state borders or be sold in multiple states, the product is subject to the interstate commerce clauses and is subject to Federal Regulation (And no one wants to have to get 50 stamps and then design the same product 50 times so it complies with 50 different states product regs). The Feds do not issue PE stamps. So while *most* products that are sold across multiple states do not require a PE stamp, the product is subject to Federal oversight and regulation before it can be sold, so you are subject to review by OSHA, Healthy and Safety, FDA, FAA, NHTSA, ATF and a litany of other Three Letter Agencies (TLAs) and other NGOs that have some sort of regulatory oversight or advisory oversight of the product your are designing. So if you are designing a building, PE stamps galore. Architects, Engineers, everyone gets to have a stamping and signing party. If you are designing a Car. PE stamps are not normally needed. But you have to comply with all of the Federal Regs on how cars are designed and put together. There are specific exceptions to this. It is case by case. This is not legal or engineering advice and should not be construed as such. If you are planning on designing, manufacturing and distributing finished goods across state lines, please consult a lawyer versed in that area of law.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21707.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"44hjdz","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Why are lithium car (starter) batteries dis-proportionally more expensive than smaller battery packs? It's frustrating to shop around for a reasonably priced lithium starter battery for my gasoline powered car and see starter batteries selling for as much as $3500! The average price in this category seems to be about $1500 each. Meanwhile, 2000 amp lithium jumper pack batteries are selling for $199.95) with built in USB ports, jumper cable clamps and even an integrated LED flashlight. Why is there such a huge discrepancy in price?","c_root_id_A":"czqa26o","c_root_id_B":"czq9jtr","created_at_utc_A":1454789012,"created_at_utc_B":1454788113,"score_A":13,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Well, first thing first: I once extinguished the bed of somebody's truck, because that's where he was keeping a lithium jumpstart thing. Second, I'm not sure that thing will actually dump 2000 amps - that would be what we call in industry a \"lie\". You linked a ~20Ah 16V battery (about 320Wh), capable of 1200 amps (another lie, probably). The going rate for a battery that size is ~$500 at a much lower current capacity. That does not include any kind of BMS (but we don't actually know what's included in the linked car batteries). So add in a case and BMS, at relatively low volumes, and a few hundred extra bucks isn't too out of line. Increase the ampacity of the battery and you add some more bucks. Maybe $1000 is fair? Now add in the fact that you're selling it to people willing to spend a thousand bucks on a battery and $1500 isn't out of line.","human_ref_B":"The main thing is the size. The $3500 one is 63Ah, the $1500 one is 23Ah, the $200 doesn't even tell you what its capacity is. That is the main reason anyway.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":899.0,"score_ratio":1.4444444444} +{"post_id":"p3vew0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Is this weird company politics or normal behaviour? Time for a new job? So I graduated 2020, and landed a year later at a company I thought would be good for me, a small sized company (200 employees) and fun sounding working responsibilites. So I\u00b4ve been working for several months now (about 4) and don\u00b4t have a good feeling about this place. Here are some examples * About the first weeks the highest boss decides to talk shit about a former high performing employee spreading rumors about the former employees sister being a drug addict as well as this employee \"sleeping\" with his own sister (incest). I didn\u00b4t participate in this but the collegues around me seemed to be too afraid to stay silent against the boss (ie they participated in this shit talk) * I got no education or mentoring. The guy Im supposed to work with has a habit of skipping meetings, being sloppy in working (he uses phone and not computer to communicate with customers which often leads to misunderstandings) and not being in the office for doing project work. * People not talking to each other and displaying passive aggressive behaviour. Some are reluctant to answer questions regarding the work. I literally have a guy sitting in front of me and doesnt say good morning or hello when arriving to work. Also some bosses totally ignoring new employees and sometimes even screaming at other employees. * Also got a guy that tries to downplay my work by slipping small derragatory comments like \"oh that was your only job, you did it good I must say!\" even though I did much more. Also splaining things when I ask stuff due to lack of information recieved on the subject beforehand. Also not asking for help nicely but instead in a \"dominating\" manner, like \"hey engineerju, Im up here!. Would you help this guy right now!\". * Boss not being clear on my tasks and expectations for my role. Also not giving me influence in taking over some of the \"sloppy\" collegues tasks even though I would do them twice as fast and twice as good\/accurate. Is this normal? Are some of these things happening to me because Im new and young? Or is this a shitty workplace? The company I did my thesis for wasnt anyway near this so that\u00b4s not what I\u00b4m used to. Should I start looking for a new job? I\u00b4ve only been at this place for 4 months so hard to explain why Im leaving after only staying for 4 months (and not sounding weak, conflictive). Also I\u00b4ve barely done much in this short period of time so yeah.","c_root_id_A":"h8ujzbd","c_root_id_B":"h8u9tfd","created_at_utc_A":1628898009,"created_at_utc_B":1628893398,"score_A":38,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"That\u2019s a good ole boys club. Leave as soon as possible","human_ref_B":"This is a shit company. I used to work for one like this. Company president would talk all kinds of shit about former employees, wanted to be in everyone's business and be the hero of their personal crises. My advice is to start job hunting. DM if you have more questions.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4611.0,"score_ratio":1.0857142857} +{"post_id":"p3vew0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Is this weird company politics or normal behaviour? Time for a new job? So I graduated 2020, and landed a year later at a company I thought would be good for me, a small sized company (200 employees) and fun sounding working responsibilites. So I\u00b4ve been working for several months now (about 4) and don\u00b4t have a good feeling about this place. Here are some examples * About the first weeks the highest boss decides to talk shit about a former high performing employee spreading rumors about the former employees sister being a drug addict as well as this employee \"sleeping\" with his own sister (incest). I didn\u00b4t participate in this but the collegues around me seemed to be too afraid to stay silent against the boss (ie they participated in this shit talk) * I got no education or mentoring. The guy Im supposed to work with has a habit of skipping meetings, being sloppy in working (he uses phone and not computer to communicate with customers which often leads to misunderstandings) and not being in the office for doing project work. * People not talking to each other and displaying passive aggressive behaviour. Some are reluctant to answer questions regarding the work. I literally have a guy sitting in front of me and doesnt say good morning or hello when arriving to work. Also some bosses totally ignoring new employees and sometimes even screaming at other employees. * Also got a guy that tries to downplay my work by slipping small derragatory comments like \"oh that was your only job, you did it good I must say!\" even though I did much more. Also splaining things when I ask stuff due to lack of information recieved on the subject beforehand. Also not asking for help nicely but instead in a \"dominating\" manner, like \"hey engineerju, Im up here!. Would you help this guy right now!\". * Boss not being clear on my tasks and expectations for my role. Also not giving me influence in taking over some of the \"sloppy\" collegues tasks even though I would do them twice as fast and twice as good\/accurate. Is this normal? Are some of these things happening to me because Im new and young? Or is this a shitty workplace? The company I did my thesis for wasnt anyway near this so that\u00b4s not what I\u00b4m used to. Should I start looking for a new job? I\u00b4ve only been at this place for 4 months so hard to explain why Im leaving after only staying for 4 months (and not sounding weak, conflictive). Also I\u00b4ve barely done much in this short period of time so yeah.","c_root_id_A":"h8ujzbd","c_root_id_B":"h8uaxix","created_at_utc_A":1628898009,"created_at_utc_B":1628893897,"score_A":38,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"That\u2019s a good ole boys club. Leave as soon as possible","human_ref_B":"Lots of companies have crappy cultures, lots don't. Every company is different because it is made up of different people. People are how they are and nobody is perfect. Some employees can deal with it just fine and ignore that stuff, some people can't take it and leave to hopefully find a place that isn't that way. If you don't want to work there, don't. Chalk it up as a learning experience and try to get a feel for the next company when you are doing interviews. It never hurts to apply at other places while you are working, even if you like your job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4112.0,"score_ratio":4.75} +{"post_id":"p3vew0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Is this weird company politics or normal behaviour? Time for a new job? So I graduated 2020, and landed a year later at a company I thought would be good for me, a small sized company (200 employees) and fun sounding working responsibilites. So I\u00b4ve been working for several months now (about 4) and don\u00b4t have a good feeling about this place. Here are some examples * About the first weeks the highest boss decides to talk shit about a former high performing employee spreading rumors about the former employees sister being a drug addict as well as this employee \"sleeping\" with his own sister (incest). I didn\u00b4t participate in this but the collegues around me seemed to be too afraid to stay silent against the boss (ie they participated in this shit talk) * I got no education or mentoring. The guy Im supposed to work with has a habit of skipping meetings, being sloppy in working (he uses phone and not computer to communicate with customers which often leads to misunderstandings) and not being in the office for doing project work. * People not talking to each other and displaying passive aggressive behaviour. Some are reluctant to answer questions regarding the work. I literally have a guy sitting in front of me and doesnt say good morning or hello when arriving to work. Also some bosses totally ignoring new employees and sometimes even screaming at other employees. * Also got a guy that tries to downplay my work by slipping small derragatory comments like \"oh that was your only job, you did it good I must say!\" even though I did much more. Also splaining things when I ask stuff due to lack of information recieved on the subject beforehand. Also not asking for help nicely but instead in a \"dominating\" manner, like \"hey engineerju, Im up here!. Would you help this guy right now!\". * Boss not being clear on my tasks and expectations for my role. Also not giving me influence in taking over some of the \"sloppy\" collegues tasks even though I would do them twice as fast and twice as good\/accurate. Is this normal? Are some of these things happening to me because Im new and young? Or is this a shitty workplace? The company I did my thesis for wasnt anyway near this so that\u00b4s not what I\u00b4m used to. Should I start looking for a new job? I\u00b4ve only been at this place for 4 months so hard to explain why Im leaving after only staying for 4 months (and not sounding weak, conflictive). Also I\u00b4ve barely done much in this short period of time so yeah.","c_root_id_A":"h8utr9w","c_root_id_B":"h8vq5mx","created_at_utc_A":1628902785,"created_at_utc_B":1628920799,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"this sounds like they're super crappy. you should definitely be on the look for new roles, and there's nothing wrong with leaving if you feel like you come across a new opportunity","human_ref_B":"Poor culture from the leadership flowing down to all employees. Don't let it make you a bad person. Try to compartmentalize yourself mentally. As for wanting to get the job done more efficiently, you should let it go, if the company doesn't care you shouldn't either. Don't be passive aggressive to passive aggressive employees. Basically, don't worry too much about other's efficiency and don't get into a tit for tat. Also, keep reading web articles to answer Qs you have.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18014.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"p3vew0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Is this weird company politics or normal behaviour? Time for a new job? So I graduated 2020, and landed a year later at a company I thought would be good for me, a small sized company (200 employees) and fun sounding working responsibilites. So I\u00b4ve been working for several months now (about 4) and don\u00b4t have a good feeling about this place. Here are some examples * About the first weeks the highest boss decides to talk shit about a former high performing employee spreading rumors about the former employees sister being a drug addict as well as this employee \"sleeping\" with his own sister (incest). I didn\u00b4t participate in this but the collegues around me seemed to be too afraid to stay silent against the boss (ie they participated in this shit talk) * I got no education or mentoring. The guy Im supposed to work with has a habit of skipping meetings, being sloppy in working (he uses phone and not computer to communicate with customers which often leads to misunderstandings) and not being in the office for doing project work. * People not talking to each other and displaying passive aggressive behaviour. Some are reluctant to answer questions regarding the work. I literally have a guy sitting in front of me and doesnt say good morning or hello when arriving to work. Also some bosses totally ignoring new employees and sometimes even screaming at other employees. * Also got a guy that tries to downplay my work by slipping small derragatory comments like \"oh that was your only job, you did it good I must say!\" even though I did much more. Also splaining things when I ask stuff due to lack of information recieved on the subject beforehand. Also not asking for help nicely but instead in a \"dominating\" manner, like \"hey engineerju, Im up here!. Would you help this guy right now!\". * Boss not being clear on my tasks and expectations for my role. Also not giving me influence in taking over some of the \"sloppy\" collegues tasks even though I would do them twice as fast and twice as good\/accurate. Is this normal? Are some of these things happening to me because Im new and young? Or is this a shitty workplace? The company I did my thesis for wasnt anyway near this so that\u00b4s not what I\u00b4m used to. Should I start looking for a new job? I\u00b4ve only been at this place for 4 months so hard to explain why Im leaving after only staying for 4 months (and not sounding weak, conflictive). Also I\u00b4ve barely done much in this short period of time so yeah.","c_root_id_A":"h8vckqd","c_root_id_B":"h8vq5mx","created_at_utc_A":1628912271,"created_at_utc_B":1628920799,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"yikes!","human_ref_B":"Poor culture from the leadership flowing down to all employees. Don't let it make you a bad person. Try to compartmentalize yourself mentally. As for wanting to get the job done more efficiently, you should let it go, if the company doesn't care you shouldn't either. Don't be passive aggressive to passive aggressive employees. Basically, don't worry too much about other's efficiency and don't get into a tit for tat. Also, keep reading web articles to answer Qs you have.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8528.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"p3vew0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Is this weird company politics or normal behaviour? Time for a new job? So I graduated 2020, and landed a year later at a company I thought would be good for me, a small sized company (200 employees) and fun sounding working responsibilites. So I\u00b4ve been working for several months now (about 4) and don\u00b4t have a good feeling about this place. Here are some examples * About the first weeks the highest boss decides to talk shit about a former high performing employee spreading rumors about the former employees sister being a drug addict as well as this employee \"sleeping\" with his own sister (incest). I didn\u00b4t participate in this but the collegues around me seemed to be too afraid to stay silent against the boss (ie they participated in this shit talk) * I got no education or mentoring. The guy Im supposed to work with has a habit of skipping meetings, being sloppy in working (he uses phone and not computer to communicate with customers which often leads to misunderstandings) and not being in the office for doing project work. * People not talking to each other and displaying passive aggressive behaviour. Some are reluctant to answer questions regarding the work. I literally have a guy sitting in front of me and doesnt say good morning or hello when arriving to work. Also some bosses totally ignoring new employees and sometimes even screaming at other employees. * Also got a guy that tries to downplay my work by slipping small derragatory comments like \"oh that was your only job, you did it good I must say!\" even though I did much more. Also splaining things when I ask stuff due to lack of information recieved on the subject beforehand. Also not asking for help nicely but instead in a \"dominating\" manner, like \"hey engineerju, Im up here!. Would you help this guy right now!\". * Boss not being clear on my tasks and expectations for my role. Also not giving me influence in taking over some of the \"sloppy\" collegues tasks even though I would do them twice as fast and twice as good\/accurate. Is this normal? Are some of these things happening to me because Im new and young? Or is this a shitty workplace? The company I did my thesis for wasnt anyway near this so that\u00b4s not what I\u00b4m used to. Should I start looking for a new job? I\u00b4ve only been at this place for 4 months so hard to explain why Im leaving after only staying for 4 months (and not sounding weak, conflictive). Also I\u00b4ve barely done much in this short period of time so yeah.","c_root_id_A":"h8wwjdq","c_root_id_B":"h8utr9w","created_at_utc_A":1628951230,"created_at_utc_B":1628902785,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Sounds very unprofessional and unproductive, like everyone else here I recommend to start looking.","human_ref_B":"this sounds like they're super crappy. you should definitely be on the look for new roles, and there's nothing wrong with leaving if you feel like you come across a new opportunity","labels":1,"seconds_difference":48445.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"p3vew0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Is this weird company politics or normal behaviour? Time for a new job? So I graduated 2020, and landed a year later at a company I thought would be good for me, a small sized company (200 employees) and fun sounding working responsibilites. 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I literally have a guy sitting in front of me and doesnt say good morning or hello when arriving to work. Also some bosses totally ignoring new employees and sometimes even screaming at other employees. * Also got a guy that tries to downplay my work by slipping small derragatory comments like \"oh that was your only job, you did it good I must say!\" even though I did much more. Also splaining things when I ask stuff due to lack of information recieved on the subject beforehand. Also not asking for help nicely but instead in a \"dominating\" manner, like \"hey engineerju, Im up here!. Would you help this guy right now!\". * Boss not being clear on my tasks and expectations for my role. Also not giving me influence in taking over some of the \"sloppy\" collegues tasks even though I would do them twice as fast and twice as good\/accurate. Is this normal? Are some of these things happening to me because Im new and young? Or is this a shitty workplace? 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Would you help this guy right now!\". * Boss not being clear on my tasks and expectations for my role. Also not giving me influence in taking over some of the \"sloppy\" collegues tasks even though I would do them twice as fast and twice as good\/accurate. Is this normal? Are some of these things happening to me because Im new and young? Or is this a shitty workplace? The company I did my thesis for wasnt anyway near this so that\u00b4s not what I\u00b4m used to. Should I start looking for a new job? I\u00b4ve only been at this place for 4 months so hard to explain why Im leaving after only staying for 4 months (and not sounding weak, conflictive). 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So, been at it for 8 years. Hardest parts were remembering algebra and the senior project capstone.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019ll be 27. 25 now. Started college when I was 17 tho, but I kept changing majors and dropping out\ud83d\ude1eI should\u2019ve been done a long time ago\ud83d\ude16All my high school class mates have long since graduated and have careers already. It low key makes me feel bad about myself..I mean, 10 years to earn a bachelors degree?! *sad head tilt down*. It\u2019s embarassing. I\u2019m convinced all my friends and family think that I\u2019ll never graduate. But at least I have 2 associates degrees, I guess. And some business references for decent jobs. I just feel like a loser and lost cause. And I\u2019m not even good at engineering. What if I fail and can\u2019t finish? Then what? It would be humiliating to even think about studying another degree.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15455.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"tmkyez","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"How old were you when you completed graduated from Engineering school?","c_root_id_A":"i1zlon3","c_root_id_B":"i1yj5mk","created_at_utc_A":1648159734,"created_at_utc_B":1648144494,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ll be 27. 25 now. Started college when I was 17 tho, but I kept changing majors and dropping out\ud83d\ude1eI should\u2019ve been done a long time ago\ud83d\ude16All my high school class mates have long since graduated and have careers already. It low key makes me feel bad about myself..I mean, 10 years to earn a bachelors degree?! *sad head tilt down*. It\u2019s embarassing. I\u2019m convinced all my friends and family think that I\u2019ll never graduate. But at least I have 2 associates degrees, I guess. And some business references for decent jobs. I just feel like a loser and lost cause. And I\u2019m not even good at engineering. What if I fail and can\u2019t finish? Then what? It would be humiliating to even think about studying another degree.","human_ref_B":"I'll be 23 when I graduate in December this year. Pioneer batch for the K-12 system in our country. Before, engineering students were expected to graduate by 20 or 21. I kinda wanna have a second shot at university, only this time taking CS. But I feel like it'll be so much of a waste of time. I'll probably be 28 when I finish. Wew. Life choices.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15240.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"tmkyez","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"How old were you when you completed graduated from Engineering school?","c_root_id_A":"i1zlon3","c_root_id_B":"i1z22sd","created_at_utc_A":1648159734,"created_at_utc_B":1648151925,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ll be 27. 25 now. Started college when I was 17 tho, but I kept changing majors and dropping out\ud83d\ude1eI should\u2019ve been done a long time ago\ud83d\ude16All my high school class mates have long since graduated and have careers already. It low key makes me feel bad about myself..I mean, 10 years to earn a bachelors degree?! *sad head tilt down*. It\u2019s embarassing. I\u2019m convinced all my friends and family think that I\u2019ll never graduate. But at least I have 2 associates degrees, I guess. And some business references for decent jobs. I just feel like a loser and lost cause. And I\u2019m not even good at engineering. What if I fail and can\u2019t finish? Then what? It would be humiliating to even think about studying another degree.","human_ref_B":"I'll be finishing this semester at 29 years old. Been working full time since I left high school and the company paid for the education.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7809.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"tmkyez","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"How old were you when you completed graduated from Engineering school?","c_root_id_A":"i1z391n","c_root_id_B":"i1zlon3","created_at_utc_A":1648152381,"created_at_utc_B":1648159734,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"38","human_ref_B":"I\u2019ll be 27. 25 now. Started college when I was 17 tho, but I kept changing majors and dropping out\ud83d\ude1eI should\u2019ve been done a long time ago\ud83d\ude16All my high school class mates have long since graduated and have careers already. It low key makes me feel bad about myself..I mean, 10 years to earn a bachelors degree?! *sad head tilt down*. It\u2019s embarassing. I\u2019m convinced all my friends and family think that I\u2019ll never graduate. But at least I have 2 associates degrees, I guess. And some business references for decent jobs. I just feel like a loser and lost cause. And I\u2019m not even good at engineering. What if I fail and can\u2019t finish? Then what? It would be humiliating to even think about studying another degree.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7353.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"8jd9qw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How concerned should I be about falling behind the salary curve? Will staying in a relatively low paying job hinder my ability to get higher salaries later on? I've been with my current company as a mechanical design engineer for 3 years now and I'm sitting at $56k in a low cost of living area. While I live very comfortably on this pay as a single guy without dependents, I cant help but fear I'm always going to be behind my peers and this low pay will follow me for years down the road. I've had recruiters ask me for my current salary and I almost always lie and tell them its 5-7k higher than what I actually make thinking I'm going to get lowballed if they know what I really make. Are these even legitimate concerns or am I overthinking it?","c_root_id_A":"dyysefb","c_root_id_B":"dyysrqh","created_at_utc_A":1526315048,"created_at_utc_B":1526315378,"score_A":15,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"I think you're over thinking! If you're in a job that you enjoy and the pay is good enough to get you buy and with some to have fun with, why strive for more. Could find yourself in a job you hate in an area you hate paying more to live the same life! Happiness is more important than money. My dad went from about \u00a380k ($100k ish) to 30k from a cival pneumatic design and production engineer to a plumber! But went from 70+ hours to 40. Went from a grumpy short tempered man to a loving happy one!","human_ref_B":"I took a low paying first job with great experience and in 2.5 years that was enough to get into a well paying job AND actually have the knowledge to know what I'm doing","labels":0,"seconds_difference":330.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"8jd9qw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How concerned should I be about falling behind the salary curve? Will staying in a relatively low paying job hinder my ability to get higher salaries later on? I've been with my current company as a mechanical design engineer for 3 years now and I'm sitting at $56k in a low cost of living area. While I live very comfortably on this pay as a single guy without dependents, I cant help but fear I'm always going to be behind my peers and this low pay will follow me for years down the road. I've had recruiters ask me for my current salary and I almost always lie and tell them its 5-7k higher than what I actually make thinking I'm going to get lowballed if they know what I really make. Are these even legitimate concerns or am I overthinking it?","c_root_id_A":"dyyzuvq","c_root_id_B":"dyyyct4","created_at_utc_A":1526321681,"created_at_utc_B":1526320347,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"As others have said, if you like where you're at, maybe you want to stay there even with the lower pay. However, after 3 years, $56k does seem low. If you're interested in money, you'll likely have to hop jobs to \"catch up\" but even then it may take a couple jobs. It's all the rage right now to base your new salary as a capped % increase of your old one. Common sense would tell you to never disclose your current salary but your prospective new employer will tell you all about how they have a policy that's strictly enforced, blah blah blah, which may be accurate or not. I mean, I have seen prospects overlooked because they didn't disclose their prior salary. It's a big world with all types, jus' sayin'. Either way, odds are good they're going to find out how much you made and pay you some percentage increase of that. If that's all you find, yah, a lower salary will cost you for years. If you can find one that doesn't ask, or just makes an offer way higher than your current salary, it wouldn't have affected you at all. With 3 years experience, depending on what that experience actually includes, you could likely increase your pay by 25-100% (depending on your industry, what you find, and luck) if you went to another employer. Since you have a job and are comfortable there, you also have patience which it turns out *really* helps with that luck thing. Set a goal, go fishing, and see what you catch.","human_ref_B":"Hiring on at the bottom of the business cycle can haunt you for years if you let it. An X% raise of a smaller salary is going to amount to less money after all. You can either negotiate with your current employer or find a new one. On the other hand, if times are bad, being at the lower end of the salary scale can save you from a lay off.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1334.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"8jd9qw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How concerned should I be about falling behind the salary curve? Will staying in a relatively low paying job hinder my ability to get higher salaries later on? I've been with my current company as a mechanical design engineer for 3 years now and I'm sitting at $56k in a low cost of living area. While I live very comfortably on this pay as a single guy without dependents, I cant help but fear I'm always going to be behind my peers and this low pay will follow me for years down the road. I've had recruiters ask me for my current salary and I almost always lie and tell them its 5-7k higher than what I actually make thinking I'm going to get lowballed if they know what I really make. Are these even legitimate concerns or am I overthinking it?","c_root_id_A":"dyyuyy6","c_root_id_B":"dyyzuvq","created_at_utc_A":1526317345,"created_at_utc_B":1526321681,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"If you are getting that from normal hours\\(36\\-45 hours a week\\), then you are probably ahead of the curve in reality. Another thing, you have more time to ponder and develop with less work hours which will put you ahead of your peers in the long run.","human_ref_B":"As others have said, if you like where you're at, maybe you want to stay there even with the lower pay. However, after 3 years, $56k does seem low. If you're interested in money, you'll likely have to hop jobs to \"catch up\" but even then it may take a couple jobs. It's all the rage right now to base your new salary as a capped % increase of your old one. Common sense would tell you to never disclose your current salary but your prospective new employer will tell you all about how they have a policy that's strictly enforced, blah blah blah, which may be accurate or not. I mean, I have seen prospects overlooked because they didn't disclose their prior salary. It's a big world with all types, jus' sayin'. Either way, odds are good they're going to find out how much you made and pay you some percentage increase of that. If that's all you find, yah, a lower salary will cost you for years. If you can find one that doesn't ask, or just makes an offer way higher than your current salary, it wouldn't have affected you at all. With 3 years experience, depending on what that experience actually includes, you could likely increase your pay by 25-100% (depending on your industry, what you find, and luck) if you went to another employer. Since you have a job and are comfortable there, you also have patience which it turns out *really* helps with that luck thing. Set a goal, go fishing, and see what you catch.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4336.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"8jd9qw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How concerned should I be about falling behind the salary curve? Will staying in a relatively low paying job hinder my ability to get higher salaries later on? I've been with my current company as a mechanical design engineer for 3 years now and I'm sitting at $56k in a low cost of living area. While I live very comfortably on this pay as a single guy without dependents, I cant help but fear I'm always going to be behind my peers and this low pay will follow me for years down the road. I've had recruiters ask me for my current salary and I almost always lie and tell them its 5-7k higher than what I actually make thinking I'm going to get lowballed if they know what I really make. Are these even legitimate concerns or am I overthinking it?","c_root_id_A":"dyyyct4","c_root_id_B":"dyyuyy6","created_at_utc_A":1526320347,"created_at_utc_B":1526317345,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Hiring on at the bottom of the business cycle can haunt you for years if you let it. An X% raise of a smaller salary is going to amount to less money after all. You can either negotiate with your current employer or find a new one. On the other hand, if times are bad, being at the lower end of the salary scale can save you from a lay off.","human_ref_B":"If you are getting that from normal hours\\(36\\-45 hours a week\\), then you are probably ahead of the curve in reality. Another thing, you have more time to ponder and develop with less work hours which will put you ahead of your peers in the long run.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3002.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"8jd9qw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How concerned should I be about falling behind the salary curve? Will staying in a relatively low paying job hinder my ability to get higher salaries later on? I've been with my current company as a mechanical design engineer for 3 years now and I'm sitting at $56k in a low cost of living area. While I live very comfortably on this pay as a single guy without dependents, I cant help but fear I'm always going to be behind my peers and this low pay will follow me for years down the road. I've had recruiters ask me for my current salary and I almost always lie and tell them its 5-7k higher than what I actually make thinking I'm going to get lowballed if they know what I really make. Are these even legitimate concerns or am I overthinking it?","c_root_id_A":"dyyuyy6","c_root_id_B":"dz02r2b","created_at_utc_A":1526317345,"created_at_utc_B":1526362584,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you are getting that from normal hours\\(36\\-45 hours a week\\), then you are probably ahead of the curve in reality. Another thing, you have more time to ponder and develop with less work hours which will put you ahead of your peers in the long run.","human_ref_B":"Low pay will not follow you as long as you never never never disclose either your current compensation or your desired compensation to anyone. Ever. Practice this line in front of a mirror. \"I keep my current and desired compensation confidential.\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":45239.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"41bnvs","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"If you were to design a lightweight one-man watercraft that can be carried in a backpack, what might it look like? What ideas do you have and how could it be accomplished? I hope this kind of question is allowed, this is just out of curiosity, I am not an engineer The purpose is portaging on mostly calm small bodies of waters, it should be a good balance of lightweight, durable, hydrodynamic, balanced and the simpler\/cheaper the better. There are already some ideas out there (Foldable Canoe\/Kayak) but most are questionable and seem pretty lousy. Thanks for any input!","c_root_id_A":"cz230gt","c_root_id_B":"cz1lz41","created_at_utc_A":1453074813,"created_at_utc_B":1453048558,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Probably some sort of plastic\/polymer board that can act as a boogie board, with a water jet on the underside to provide propulsion. The board and water jet require no inflation and are thus more reliable. Only problem is that it exposes the user to the water and may not fit in most backpacks.","human_ref_B":"Packrafting is already a thing - look into current offerings that are used in places like the Grand Canyon.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":26255.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"41bnvs","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"If you were to design a lightweight one-man watercraft that can be carried in a backpack, what might it look like? What ideas do you have and how could it be accomplished? I hope this kind of question is allowed, this is just out of curiosity, I am not an engineer The purpose is portaging on mostly calm small bodies of waters, it should be a good balance of lightweight, durable, hydrodynamic, balanced and the simpler\/cheaper the better. There are already some ideas out there (Foldable Canoe\/Kayak) but most are questionable and seem pretty lousy. Thanks for any input!","c_root_id_A":"cz230gt","c_root_id_B":"cz1tq9f","created_at_utc_A":1453074813,"created_at_utc_B":1453060707,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Probably some sort of plastic\/polymer board that can act as a boogie board, with a water jet on the underside to provide propulsion. The board and water jet require no inflation and are thus more reliable. Only problem is that it exposes the user to the water and may not fit in most backpacks.","human_ref_B":"The inner tube from a tractor. Seriously.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14106.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"41bnvs","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"If you were to design a lightweight one-man watercraft that can be carried in a backpack, what might it look like? What ideas do you have and how could it be accomplished? I hope this kind of question is allowed, this is just out of curiosity, I am not an engineer The purpose is portaging on mostly calm small bodies of waters, it should be a good balance of lightweight, durable, hydrodynamic, balanced and the simpler\/cheaper the better. There are already some ideas out there (Foldable Canoe\/Kayak) but most are questionable and seem pretty lousy. Thanks for any input!","c_root_id_A":"cz230gt","c_root_id_B":"cz20fz6","created_at_utc_A":1453074813,"created_at_utc_B":1453070804,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Probably some sort of plastic\/polymer board that can act as a boogie board, with a water jet on the underside to provide propulsion. The board and water jet require no inflation and are thus more reliable. Only problem is that it exposes the user to the water and may not fit in most backpacks.","human_ref_B":"Fits in a backpack Would also require a bicycle. Edit: Found a video I'm totally getting one of these.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4009.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"las444","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"QUESTION: Why is maximum power obtained with rich air-fuel mixtures at high engine load and speed when the excess fuel doesn't combust anyway cause there's not enough air wasting fuel. Source: https:\/\/x-engineer.org\/automotive-engineering\/internal-combustion-engines\/performance\/air-fuel-ratio-lambda-engine-performance\/","c_root_id_A":"glqyvea","c_root_id_B":"glqgb5m","created_at_utc_A":1612283593,"created_at_utc_B":1612276991,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"You are getting a mild steam engine effect and the excess fuel is expanding during the combustion event. Basically the excess fuel uses up every last bit of oxygen and there is nothing left to burn. But there is heat. So that heat will expand anything in that cylinder. A little extra fuel gives a little more mass to that fuel air charge and it can expand a little more. At the expense of excess fuel, terrible emissions, miserable overall efficiency and fuel washing oil off of the cylinder walls.","human_ref_B":"dont think this has to do with power, but more fuel is often used to cool the combustion quite a bit","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6602.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"las444","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"QUESTION: Why is maximum power obtained with rich air-fuel mixtures at high engine load and speed when the excess fuel doesn't combust anyway cause there's not enough air wasting fuel. Source: https:\/\/x-engineer.org\/automotive-engineering\/internal-combustion-engines\/performance\/air-fuel-ratio-lambda-engine-performance\/","c_root_id_A":"glqyvea","c_root_id_B":"glqpjrk","created_at_utc_A":1612283593,"created_at_utc_B":1612280347,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You are getting a mild steam engine effect and the excess fuel is expanding during the combustion event. Basically the excess fuel uses up every last bit of oxygen and there is nothing left to burn. But there is heat. So that heat will expand anything in that cylinder. A little extra fuel gives a little more mass to that fuel air charge and it can expand a little more. At the expense of excess fuel, terrible emissions, miserable overall efficiency and fuel washing oil off of the cylinder walls.","human_ref_B":"I've no idea how it applies to automotive, but in the rocketry world hydrogen and\/or methane (pick your fuel) have lower molecular weights than water or carbon dioxide (combustion products). As a result, they actually flow faster through the nozzle of the rocket (than the combustion products). Faster flow through the nozzle means more thrust. Result, if you're running LOX + Hydrogen\/Methane, you get peak power if you run just a bit rich. This also helps to prevent nozzle erosion so it's a win\/win. Final note: This is (to some extent) also why rockets have beautiful plumes in the atmosphere but not much in space...because that extra fuel burns when it mixes with the atmosphere (pretty fire!), but in space in never fully burns.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3246.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"ct17rc","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Which engineering field requires the most handy work? I just love those scenes you see in movies like Iron Man, for example, where Tony Stark has to work with heavy machienery and they're sweaty and crafting and making things. I'm starting with garage work like in the car of my dad and stuff like that and it makes me sooo happy! Even when I'm repairing my bike or tuning it fills me with joy and I feel so handsome! Which engineering field serves that the most? In which engineering field does that happen the most? I want to spend the least time on a desk or staring st a screen but rather working with gear and hard metal and the likes of that","c_root_id_A":"exhyxgs","c_root_id_B":"exi3g0m","created_at_utc_A":1566317384,"created_at_utc_B":1566320265,"score_A":6,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Field engineering (generally repairing\/installing equipment) will give you a tons of hands on time, but you should be willing to travel a lot. Depending on the company\/role, maintenance or manufacturing engineering positions can be very hands on. I had one where I only sat at a desk an hour or so a day. Running a model shop or some other form of prototyping for R&D stuff.","human_ref_B":"When I worked as a mechanical \/ design engineer for a small aerospace lab there was opportunity to spend a lot of hands-on time in the machine shop. I enjoyed that quite a bit. Big company with unions in manufacturing... forget it, you won't get close. Bear in mind though there's a difference between enjoying something as a hobby with your own projects, and doing it all day for work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2881.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"ct17rc","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Which engineering field requires the most handy work? I just love those scenes you see in movies like Iron Man, for example, where Tony Stark has to work with heavy machienery and they're sweaty and crafting and making things. I'm starting with garage work like in the car of my dad and stuff like that and it makes me sooo happy! Even when I'm repairing my bike or tuning it fills me with joy and I feel so handsome! Which engineering field serves that the most? In which engineering field does that happen the most? I want to spend the least time on a desk or staring st a screen but rather working with gear and hard metal and the likes of that","c_root_id_A":"exhz4s1","c_root_id_B":"exi3g0m","created_at_utc_A":1566317519,"created_at_utc_B":1566320265,"score_A":2,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Some industrial engineering field seems fit for you. You can do quite a few things here since it's an electro-mechanical based field. They tend to develop large machinery to process process products. So you could work on the controls side or the mechanical build side. Now that's not to say you won't spend some time at a desk, but there's a lot of travel involved and a lot of plant floor interaction. You can also look into a process engineer for a plant and just get hand-on. Good luck!","human_ref_B":"When I worked as a mechanical \/ design engineer for a small aerospace lab there was opportunity to spend a lot of hands-on time in the machine shop. I enjoyed that quite a bit. Big company with unions in manufacturing... forget it, you won't get close. Bear in mind though there's a difference between enjoying something as a hobby with your own projects, and doing it all day for work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2746.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"ct17rc","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Which engineering field requires the most handy work? I just love those scenes you see in movies like Iron Man, for example, where Tony Stark has to work with heavy machienery and they're sweaty and crafting and making things. I'm starting with garage work like in the car of my dad and stuff like that and it makes me sooo happy! Even when I'm repairing my bike or tuning it fills me with joy and I feel so handsome! Which engineering field serves that the most? In which engineering field does that happen the most? I want to spend the least time on a desk or staring st a screen but rather working with gear and hard metal and the likes of that","c_root_id_A":"exhz4s1","c_root_id_B":"exil14k","created_at_utc_A":1566317519,"created_at_utc_B":1566330478,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Some industrial engineering field seems fit for you. You can do quite a few things here since it's an electro-mechanical based field. They tend to develop large machinery to process process products. So you could work on the controls side or the mechanical build side. Now that's not to say you won't spend some time at a desk, but there's a lot of travel involved and a lot of plant floor interaction. You can also look into a process engineer for a plant and just get hand-on. Good luck!","human_ref_B":"It sounds like you are more interested in the application of engineering projects. A lot of universities offer degrees in \"engineering technology\" or something similar. These degrees usually less focused on the theory that other branches of engineering usually deal with. Instead, they work more with implementing existing engineering solutions to unique situations they might be dealing with. Another plus is that the engineering technology degrees usually aren't Calculus based, so you might only have to do calc 1 or 2.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12959.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"ct17rc","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Which engineering field requires the most handy work? I just love those scenes you see in movies like Iron Man, for example, where Tony Stark has to work with heavy machienery and they're sweaty and crafting and making things. I'm starting with garage work like in the car of my dad and stuff like that and it makes me sooo happy! Even when I'm repairing my bike or tuning it fills me with joy and I feel so handsome! Which engineering field serves that the most? In which engineering field does that happen the most? I want to spend the least time on a desk or staring st a screen but rather working with gear and hard metal and the likes of that","c_root_id_A":"exjc8x0","c_root_id_B":"exhz4s1","created_at_utc_A":1566346788,"created_at_utc_B":1566317519,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Prosthetic limbs. Very handy.","human_ref_B":"Some industrial engineering field seems fit for you. You can do quite a few things here since it's an electro-mechanical based field. They tend to develop large machinery to process process products. So you could work on the controls side or the mechanical build side. Now that's not to say you won't spend some time at a desk, but there's a lot of travel involved and a lot of plant floor interaction. You can also look into a process engineer for a plant and just get hand-on. Good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":29269.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"s7eowf","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"How can I be productive at work? Hi everyone. I'm a new graduate thats been working as a data engineer for around 6 months. I usually get help with the tasks that are given to me and most of the time I don't know what I'm doing and keep ramping myself up on getting started. But I just sit there staring at the screen on how or what I'm supposed to be doing. I've been getting help from this one guy at work and it makes sense when he explains it, but when it comes down to doing it myself, I freeze and feel like I'm going down the wrong rabbit hole all the time... I feel like a fraud. Does anyone know how to get unstuck and focused?","c_root_id_A":"ht9x880","c_root_id_B":"hta7spy","created_at_utc_A":1642565381,"created_at_utc_B":1642570932,"score_A":8,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"It sounds like you need to rip the training wheels off to a degree. You've been getting help from someone, and that's fine, but I think you need to flip to a system where you're doing the work on your own and then reviewing it with someone else. At 6 months, you've probably still got some decent leeway in terms of mistakes, especially if you have someone catch them before they cause problems. Make those mistakes and learn from them. Keep going down the rabbit hole until you're convinced you're wrong (and know why) or you think you're right. You won't learn anything from doing nothing. From The Frizz: \"Take chances, make mistakes, and get messy!\"","human_ref_B":"You don\u2019t learn by someone showing you. You learn by getting thrown in the deep end and having to figure it out. Don\u2019t ask for help next time. Get started and see how far you can get. Stuck? Look it up. Figure it out. Muddle through. You\u2019re not retaining anything because the work and heavy lifting is being done for you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5551.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"5tcpg0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Current or previously employed imagineers, what's working for Disney as an engineer like? Do you feel like you matter in the group or that you're just another worker bee in a huge company? Do you learn a lot? Basically is it as nice of a career as it sounds like ?","c_root_id_A":"ddmfya6","c_root_id_B":"ddm8nsn","created_at_utc_A":1486842860,"created_at_utc_B":1486832596,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Does anybody here have a problem with Disney for forcing their engineers to train their lowly paid h1b visa replacements. I wouldn't because they burnt those people so hard it made national news","human_ref_B":"I've heard that they do lots of contract stuff now and don't have nearly as many full time Imagineers, I worked with a guy who did some civil stuff for Disney but it was just a project and not his entire job","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10264.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"ko8vv3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"If we connect two power supplies to a load in parrallel and only when is turned on at a time. Will the reverse of DC on the supply that is off cause it to get damaged ? If we connect two power supplies to a load in parrallel and only when is turned on at a time. Will the reverse of DC on the supply that is off cause it to get damaged ?","c_root_id_A":"ghps3ye","c_root_id_B":"ghozn2b","created_at_utc_A":1609511383,"created_at_utc_B":1609496025,"score_A":11,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If designed properly then no. We use dual power supplies for our self test system (auto tests our nuclear protection logic cards), reactor steam pressure control system, feedwater system, etc, feed from different power sources so that they are not susceptible to single failure. There are different ways to do it. There is load sharing, where they both carry some of the load, there is auctioneered where only 1 carries the load, there is standby where one connects automatically. For separate types of supplies (like primary from an inverted dc system and backup from an AC system) you can use a solid state \/ static transfer switch that seeks its DC source whenever available and can swap to the backup as necessary. Now if you just grab two cheap supplies off the shelf, one of them will probably drive the other off service and won\u2019t load share. Need to really look at the design.","human_ref_B":"No. Well it could depends on power supply but most of them includes a switching device or a diode bridge, so nothing happens.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15358.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc77iuh","c_root_id_B":"fc7c08p","created_at_utc_A":1577499613,"created_at_utc_B":1577503031,"score_A":55,"score_B":102,"human_ref_A":"Power\/utility usually has a lot of ride through. Unless it's bad enough that people don't use A\/C and turn off the lights, power's needed.","human_ref_B":"The advice I got in the past is that the closer to end product you are the better. Companies don\u2019t want to lay off the people that know how to create the things that make them money. If you\u2019re in a service organization like IT or HR then they\u2019re more likely to make cuts there first.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3418.0,"score_ratio":1.8545454545} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc7c08p","c_root_id_B":"fc7accr","created_at_utc_A":1577503031,"created_at_utc_B":1577501740,"score_A":102,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"The advice I got in the past is that the closer to end product you are the better. Companies don\u2019t want to lay off the people that know how to create the things that make them money. If you\u2019re in a service organization like IT or HR then they\u2019re more likely to make cuts there first.","human_ref_B":"Anything in automation is certain to be resistant to recessions first the foreseeable future. The next recession will likely push companies to automate more to significantly reduce labor costs further without hurting their productivity. Engineering in general is pretty resistant to recessions since supply is so low and demand is so high. Mechanical engineering is the most common in core engineering (which I consider separate to computer science since computer science is more applied mathematics than applied physics), so given a supply-demand curve mechanical is most likely to suffer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1291.0,"score_ratio":2.7567567568} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc7c08p","c_root_id_B":"fc798fu","created_at_utc_A":1577503031,"created_at_utc_B":1577500890,"score_A":102,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"The advice I got in the past is that the closer to end product you are the better. Companies don\u2019t want to lay off the people that know how to create the things that make them money. If you\u2019re in a service organization like IT or HR then they\u2019re more likely to make cuts there first.","human_ref_B":"I was set for graduating in ME in 2008, like quite a few people I ended up going to grad school instead of entering the workforce. So there is always that option. Either way, in a true recession, it doesn\u2019t really matter what industry you are in because nobody will be hiring.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2141.0,"score_ratio":8.5} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc7accr","c_root_id_B":"fc7dvw4","created_at_utc_A":1577501740,"created_at_utc_B":1577504533,"score_A":37,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"Anything in automation is certain to be resistant to recessions first the foreseeable future. The next recession will likely push companies to automate more to significantly reduce labor costs further without hurting their productivity. Engineering in general is pretty resistant to recessions since supply is so low and demand is so high. Mechanical engineering is the most common in core engineering (which I consider separate to computer science since computer science is more applied mathematics than applied physics), so given a supply-demand curve mechanical is most likely to suffer.","human_ref_B":"Last recession R&D got hurt the worst. The two big things to look into is what industries are the main players in the big recession. The .net bubble IT got smashed. Next you have to look at necessary to maintain profits vs. speculative to expand profits. Engineers that work in operations are going to be the most recession proof cause they support current profits. Engineers that work in development tend to get the cut first because that\u2019s money that is working on the speculation of increased profits.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2793.0,"score_ratio":1.3243243243} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc7dvw4","c_root_id_B":"fc798fu","created_at_utc_A":1577504533,"created_at_utc_B":1577500890,"score_A":49,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Last recession R&D got hurt the worst. The two big things to look into is what industries are the main players in the big recession. The .net bubble IT got smashed. Next you have to look at necessary to maintain profits vs. speculative to expand profits. Engineers that work in operations are going to be the most recession proof cause they support current profits. Engineers that work in development tend to get the cut first because that\u2019s money that is working on the speculation of increased profits.","human_ref_B":"I was set for graduating in ME in 2008, like quite a few people I ended up going to grad school instead of entering the workforce. So there is always that option. Either way, in a true recession, it doesn\u2019t really matter what industry you are in because nobody will be hiring.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3643.0,"score_ratio":4.0833333333} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc798fu","c_root_id_B":"fc7accr","created_at_utc_A":1577500890,"created_at_utc_B":1577501740,"score_A":12,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"I was set for graduating in ME in 2008, like quite a few people I ended up going to grad school instead of entering the workforce. So there is always that option. Either way, in a true recession, it doesn\u2019t really matter what industry you are in because nobody will be hiring.","human_ref_B":"Anything in automation is certain to be resistant to recessions first the foreseeable future. The next recession will likely push companies to automate more to significantly reduce labor costs further without hurting their productivity. Engineering in general is pretty resistant to recessions since supply is so low and demand is so high. Mechanical engineering is the most common in core engineering (which I consider separate to computer science since computer science is more applied mathematics than applied physics), so given a supply-demand curve mechanical is most likely to suffer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":850.0,"score_ratio":3.0833333333} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc798fu","c_root_id_B":"fc7fwwv","created_at_utc_A":1577500890,"created_at_utc_B":1577506224,"score_A":12,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"I was set for graduating in ME in 2008, like quite a few people I ended up going to grad school instead of entering the workforce. So there is always that option. Either way, in a true recession, it doesn\u2019t really matter what industry you are in because nobody will be hiring.","human_ref_B":"Defense Contractors most likely. Uncle Sam is the most reliable customer in the world.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5334.0,"score_ratio":2.25} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc7g65s","c_root_id_B":"fc798fu","created_at_utc_A":1577506447,"created_at_utc_B":1577500890,"score_A":15,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":">what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession Defense jobs where you have a lot of clearances... It takes so long to get clearances, it's painful to lose you. So if you're competent & cleared... you'll be retained. The companies just stop hiring and let natural attrition bring the numbers down.","human_ref_B":"I was set for graduating in ME in 2008, like quite a few people I ended up going to grad school instead of entering the workforce. So there is always that option. Either way, in a true recession, it doesn\u2019t really matter what industry you are in because nobody will be hiring.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5557.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc7oqgz","c_root_id_B":"fc8am8d","created_at_utc_A":1577514552,"created_at_utc_B":1577530608,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I heard that medical devices fared the recessions relatively well because people still need to be healed at the end of the day, though some companies did underperform compared to what they did previously.","human_ref_B":"Recessions are literally part of Capitalism. It's not a secret and I'm not letting you in on anything you shouldn't know. They are a feature of the economy and trying to plan around them is a fools errand. Find a field you like and try and work there, there is no way you can guess what will drive the next recession. If clean resources drives the next recession, will it be good to be in wastewater or ecology? If the collapse is due to fossil fuels, will all auto engineers be out of a job? These are answers that are just too complex to answer, and we are already making the assumption we know where the recession will be. If you could predict the way you are suggesting you should be in charge of the economy in your country.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16056.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc7ossn","c_root_id_B":"fc8am8d","created_at_utc_A":1577514607,"created_at_utc_B":1577530608,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"If you are worried about this get your foot in the door and get some experience with an internship somewhere. You can also hedge your bets with a master's degree to fall back on if the job market sucks. Try to have something lined up for when you graduate. You want to avoid having a stagnant gap.","human_ref_B":"Recessions are literally part of Capitalism. It's not a secret and I'm not letting you in on anything you shouldn't know. They are a feature of the economy and trying to plan around them is a fools errand. Find a field you like and try and work there, there is no way you can guess what will drive the next recession. If clean resources drives the next recession, will it be good to be in wastewater or ecology? If the collapse is due to fossil fuels, will all auto engineers be out of a job? These are answers that are just too complex to answer, and we are already making the assumption we know where the recession will be. If you could predict the way you are suggesting you should be in charge of the economy in your country.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16001.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc83ivm","c_root_id_B":"fc8am8d","created_at_utc_A":1577526005,"created_at_utc_B":1577530608,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I was around in 2008 and the oil and gas as well as offshore drilling was buzzing with, what I believe, were record breaking numbers of new installations put to work offshore. I don't think this will hold true this time though... or anytime soon in the future.","human_ref_B":"Recessions are literally part of Capitalism. It's not a secret and I'm not letting you in on anything you shouldn't know. They are a feature of the economy and trying to plan around them is a fools errand. Find a field you like and try and work there, there is no way you can guess what will drive the next recession. If clean resources drives the next recession, will it be good to be in wastewater or ecology? If the collapse is due to fossil fuels, will all auto engineers be out of a job? These are answers that are just too complex to answer, and we are already making the assumption we know where the recession will be. If you could predict the way you are suggesting you should be in charge of the economy in your country.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4603.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc7k6f3","c_root_id_B":"fc8am8d","created_at_utc_A":1577510049,"created_at_utc_B":1577530608,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Generally speaking things that are essential are fairly solid, like utilities and the like. The flipside being that these are likely to be more average paying. But swings and roundabouts...","human_ref_B":"Recessions are literally part of Capitalism. It's not a secret and I'm not letting you in on anything you shouldn't know. They are a feature of the economy and trying to plan around them is a fools errand. Find a field you like and try and work there, there is no way you can guess what will drive the next recession. If clean resources drives the next recession, will it be good to be in wastewater or ecology? If the collapse is due to fossil fuels, will all auto engineers be out of a job? These are answers that are just too complex to answer, and we are already making the assumption we know where the recession will be. If you could predict the way you are suggesting you should be in charge of the economy in your country.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20559.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc7v2dz","c_root_id_B":"fc8am8d","created_at_utc_A":1577519395,"created_at_utc_B":1577530608,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Last recession of the industry, operations kept their jobs. Projects and consultants had it bad.","human_ref_B":"Recessions are literally part of Capitalism. It's not a secret and I'm not letting you in on anything you shouldn't know. They are a feature of the economy and trying to plan around them is a fools errand. Find a field you like and try and work there, there is no way you can guess what will drive the next recession. If clean resources drives the next recession, will it be good to be in wastewater or ecology? If the collapse is due to fossil fuels, will all auto engineers be out of a job? These are answers that are just too complex to answer, and we are already making the assumption we know where the recession will be. If you could predict the way you are suggesting you should be in charge of the economy in your country.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11213.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc7oqgz","c_root_id_B":"fc7k6f3","created_at_utc_A":1577514552,"created_at_utc_B":1577510049,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I heard that medical devices fared the recessions relatively well because people still need to be healed at the end of the day, though some companies did underperform compared to what they did previously.","human_ref_B":"Generally speaking things that are essential are fairly solid, like utilities and the like. The flipside being that these are likely to be more average paying. But swings and roundabouts...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4503.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc7k6f3","c_root_id_B":"fc7ossn","created_at_utc_A":1577510049,"created_at_utc_B":1577514607,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Generally speaking things that are essential are fairly solid, like utilities and the like. The flipside being that these are likely to be more average paying. But swings and roundabouts...","human_ref_B":"If you are worried about this get your foot in the door and get some experience with an internship somewhere. You can also hedge your bets with a master's degree to fall back on if the job market sucks. Try to have something lined up for when you graduate. You want to avoid having a stagnant gap.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4558.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc7k6f3","c_root_id_B":"fc83ivm","created_at_utc_A":1577510049,"created_at_utc_B":1577526005,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Generally speaking things that are essential are fairly solid, like utilities and the like. The flipside being that these are likely to be more average paying. But swings and roundabouts...","human_ref_B":"I was around in 2008 and the oil and gas as well as offshore drilling was buzzing with, what I believe, were record breaking numbers of new installations put to work offshore. I don't think this will hold true this time though... or anytime soon in the future.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15956.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc7v2dz","c_root_id_B":"fc83ivm","created_at_utc_A":1577519395,"created_at_utc_B":1577526005,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Last recession of the industry, operations kept their jobs. Projects and consultants had it bad.","human_ref_B":"I was around in 2008 and the oil and gas as well as offshore drilling was buzzing with, what I believe, were record breaking numbers of new installations put to work offshore. I don't think this will hold true this time though... or anytime soon in the future.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6610.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc7k6f3","c_root_id_B":"fc8k5hl","created_at_utc_A":1577510049,"created_at_utc_B":1577536608,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Generally speaking things that are essential are fairly solid, like utilities and the like. The flipside being that these are likely to be more average paying. But swings and roundabouts...","human_ref_B":"Established Medical Technology companies were pretty bullet-proof through the last recession in Europe. Hiring was restricted for new roles but replacement hiring continued as normal. Got annual pay increases each year during the recession when other were getting pay cuts To protect yourself within a company, work in a role associate with the company\u2019s bigger revenue streams, work in a role with a high level of tacit knowledge that is hard to replace, get a reputation for delivering results\/projects on time and under budget, contribute significant cost saving \/ Operational Excellence Ideas, communicate your (& your teams) benefit to the business when projects complete, protect your team fanatically (And it goes without saying develop a good personal relationship with your boss, amazed how some folk overlook this simple but effective protective strategy.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":26559.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"egju74","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Engineers around for the last recession, which jobs\/industries were effected the worse and the least? I\u2019ll be graduating with a Bachelors of EE in 2 years and with recession indicators popping up like they were around 07-09, I think I could be forced to purse a job that I need rather than a career that I want in the early stages. So what engineering jobs would you expect to be least effected by a recession?","c_root_id_A":"fc8k5hl","c_root_id_B":"fc7v2dz","created_at_utc_A":1577536608,"created_at_utc_B":1577519395,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Established Medical Technology companies were pretty bullet-proof through the last recession in Europe. Hiring was restricted for new roles but replacement hiring continued as normal. Got annual pay increases each year during the recession when other were getting pay cuts To protect yourself within a company, work in a role associate with the company\u2019s bigger revenue streams, work in a role with a high level of tacit knowledge that is hard to replace, get a reputation for delivering results\/projects on time and under budget, contribute significant cost saving \/ Operational Excellence Ideas, communicate your (& your teams) benefit to the business when projects complete, protect your team fanatically (And it goes without saying develop a good personal relationship with your boss, amazed how some folk overlook this simple but effective protective strategy.","human_ref_B":"Last recession of the industry, operations kept their jobs. Projects and consultants had it bad.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17213.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"iego0h","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What qualifications makes someone a \"good\" mechanical engineer? Hi, I am studying mechanical engineering in Turkey. My university is not that high-ranked. So we don't have much facilities. So I am worrying about I am not a \"good\" engineer. My question is: What qualifications makes someone a good mechanical engineer? Thanks in advance.","c_root_id_A":"g2h42ja","c_root_id_B":"g2h3wsk","created_at_utc_A":1598107485,"created_at_utc_B":1598107431,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Confidence in your skills comes from solving problems. You can read all the tips and advice all day but until you start building and creating, you wouldn\u2019t be able to feel accomplished.","human_ref_B":"Try to understand the needs of other disciplines so your engineering solutions will be closer to what is really required.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":54.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"iego0h","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What qualifications makes someone a \"good\" mechanical engineer? Hi, I am studying mechanical engineering in Turkey. My university is not that high-ranked. So we don't have much facilities. So I am worrying about I am not a \"good\" engineer. My question is: What qualifications makes someone a good mechanical engineer? Thanks in advance.","c_root_id_A":"g2h4t2e","c_root_id_B":"g2h3wsk","created_at_utc_A":1598107728,"created_at_utc_B":1598107431,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"GD&T (tolerance stack ups) Communication skills In other words..... The tolerance is something that many ME just don't get. Tolerance stack up can cause a lot of issues. You can have the best ideas in the world - if you can't communicate the ideas, it doesn't matter. You might as well not even have ideas. (I'd like to think that not having ideas would be better than having ideas that you can't communicate. It'll be less frustrating for everyone.)","human_ref_B":"Try to understand the needs of other disciplines so your engineering solutions will be closer to what is really required.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":297.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"iego0h","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What qualifications makes someone a \"good\" mechanical engineer? Hi, I am studying mechanical engineering in Turkey. My university is not that high-ranked. So we don't have much facilities. So I am worrying about I am not a \"good\" engineer. My question is: What qualifications makes someone a good mechanical engineer? Thanks in advance.","c_root_id_A":"g2hhsex","c_root_id_B":"g2h3wsk","created_at_utc_A":1598112365,"created_at_utc_B":1598107431,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I think a good engineer is a problem solver. S\/he generates ideas on how to get things to work, not just waits for some one to tell them how to fix something. It\u2019s also about attitude. You don\u2019t need to know everything, but you need to be willing to learn and tackle what ever problem comes your way. Engineering concepts can be taught, the right attitude cannot. Being able to communicate is also key as many here have said. If you cannot \u2018sell\u2019 your ideas, those ideas won\u2019t be implemented Being observant and detail oriented. I cannot tell you how many times a small detail has created a huge expensive problem later down the line. A little humility is also nice. Engineers with huge egos are my least favorite to work with. I do not have time or patience to battle for dominance. Old engineers confident and competent, willing to teach are my favorite to work with. (They so good, they have nothing they need to prove). Big jobs are accomplished in teams. Be a team player or stick to little jobs were you can be the big fish in your tiny pond. Documentation is key. Please please document. Things have a way of sticking around. Especially your worst work will come back to haunt you 10 years later. Do a good job and at least document where you cut corners.","human_ref_B":"Try to understand the needs of other disciplines so your engineering solutions will be closer to what is really required.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4934.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"iego0h","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What qualifications makes someone a \"good\" mechanical engineer? Hi, I am studying mechanical engineering in Turkey. My university is not that high-ranked. So we don't have much facilities. So I am worrying about I am not a \"good\" engineer. My question is: What qualifications makes someone a good mechanical engineer? Thanks in advance.","c_root_id_A":"g2h909e","c_root_id_B":"g2hhsex","created_at_utc_A":1598109132,"created_at_utc_B":1598112365,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Experience. Only that.","human_ref_B":"I think a good engineer is a problem solver. S\/he generates ideas on how to get things to work, not just waits for some one to tell them how to fix something. It\u2019s also about attitude. You don\u2019t need to know everything, but you need to be willing to learn and tackle what ever problem comes your way. Engineering concepts can be taught, the right attitude cannot. Being able to communicate is also key as many here have said. If you cannot \u2018sell\u2019 your ideas, those ideas won\u2019t be implemented Being observant and detail oriented. I cannot tell you how many times a small detail has created a huge expensive problem later down the line. A little humility is also nice. Engineers with huge egos are my least favorite to work with. I do not have time or patience to battle for dominance. Old engineers confident and competent, willing to teach are my favorite to work with. (They so good, they have nothing they need to prove). Big jobs are accomplished in teams. Be a team player or stick to little jobs were you can be the big fish in your tiny pond. Documentation is key. Please please document. Things have a way of sticking around. Especially your worst work will come back to haunt you 10 years later. Do a good job and at least document where you cut corners.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3233.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"iego0h","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What qualifications makes someone a \"good\" mechanical engineer? Hi, I am studying mechanical engineering in Turkey. My university is not that high-ranked. So we don't have much facilities. So I am worrying about I am not a \"good\" engineer. My question is: What qualifications makes someone a good mechanical engineer? Thanks in advance.","c_root_id_A":"g2h909e","c_root_id_B":"g2io3ij","created_at_utc_A":1598109132,"created_at_utc_B":1598129848,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Experience. Only that.","human_ref_B":"1) **The ability to GSD (get shit done)** - knowing how to get a result despite ambiguity, uncertainty, and limited resources 2) **Technical competency** - understanding things from first principles and also being knowledgeable about the technology that is appropriate for the given problem 3) **Communication** - everyone that should know something, does know, all the time, without exception.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20716.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"iego0h","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What qualifications makes someone a \"good\" mechanical engineer? Hi, I am studying mechanical engineering in Turkey. My university is not that high-ranked. So we don't have much facilities. So I am worrying about I am not a \"good\" engineer. My question is: What qualifications makes someone a good mechanical engineer? Thanks in advance.","c_root_id_A":"g2ivev6","c_root_id_B":"g2h909e","created_at_utc_A":1598133840,"created_at_utc_B":1598109132,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Ability to listen. Speaks last, not first.","human_ref_B":"Experience. Only that.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24708.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"iego0h","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What qualifications makes someone a \"good\" mechanical engineer? Hi, I am studying mechanical engineering in Turkey. My university is not that high-ranked. So we don't have much facilities. So I am worrying about I am not a \"good\" engineer. My question is: What qualifications makes someone a good mechanical engineer? Thanks in advance.","c_root_id_A":"g2iukia","c_root_id_B":"g2ivev6","created_at_utc_A":1598133369,"created_at_utc_B":1598133840,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"In my experience usually it's not extra qualifications that make a good engineer, it's their attitude and sense of ingenuity and creativity. A broad range of experience helps too.","human_ref_B":"Ability to listen. Speaks last, not first.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":471.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. So I was wondering if there is a way for them to have both. Thank you in advance","c_root_id_A":"i488zlz","c_root_id_B":"i48qk2p","created_at_utc_A":1649634583,"created_at_utc_B":1649642832,"score_A":6,"score_B":146,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a Mechanical Engineer and Currently Teaching Aerospace Engineers So this can tell you that Both Fields are exact the same. The main difference is that You study the same subjects but the Excercise Problems for Aerospace Engineers are linked with Aerospace Bodies but the Theories and Concepts are the same. Even the Books are the same but they only select those Problems from the book which are linked to Aerospace Mechanics","human_ref_B":"Agricultural engineering easily covers more fields than most degrees.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8249.0,"score_ratio":24.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. So I was wondering if there is a way for them to have both. Thank you in advance","c_root_id_A":"i487txs","c_root_id_B":"i48qk2p","created_at_utc_A":1649634045,"created_at_utc_B":1649642832,"score_A":6,"score_B":146,"human_ref_A":"Mechanical with civil coming a close second","human_ref_B":"Agricultural engineering easily covers more fields than most degrees.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8787.0,"score_ratio":24.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. 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Thank you in advance","c_root_id_A":"i48qk2p","c_root_id_B":"i47z0ba","created_at_utc_A":1649642832,"created_at_utc_B":1649630033,"score_A":146,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Agricultural engineering easily covers more fields than most degrees.","human_ref_B":"It\u2019s literally the same degree ( ME and AeroE). The Aeros just have to take some more specialised courses but the general knowledge is 100% the same.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12799.0,"score_ratio":48.6666666667} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. So I was wondering if there is a way for them to have both. Thank you in advance","c_root_id_A":"i48wcvz","c_root_id_B":"i490e4m","created_at_utc_A":1649645659,"created_at_utc_B":1649647757,"score_A":8,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"As a mechanical engineer my job also touches on electrical, chemical, civil engineering, along with chemistry, materials science, and computer science on a daily basis.","human_ref_B":"Mechatronics Engineering, from Wikipedia: focuses on the integration of mechanical, electronic and electrical engineering systems, and also includes a combination of robotics, electronics, computer science, telecommunications, systems, control, and product engineering.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2098.0,"score_ratio":2.375} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. So I was wondering if there is a way for them to have both. Thank you in advance","c_root_id_A":"i490e4m","c_root_id_B":"i488zlz","created_at_utc_A":1649647757,"created_at_utc_B":1649634583,"score_A":19,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Mechatronics Engineering, from Wikipedia: focuses on the integration of mechanical, electronic and electrical engineering systems, and also includes a combination of robotics, electronics, computer science, telecommunications, systems, control, and product engineering.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a Mechanical Engineer and Currently Teaching Aerospace Engineers So this can tell you that Both Fields are exact the same. The main difference is that You study the same subjects but the Excercise Problems for Aerospace Engineers are linked with Aerospace Bodies but the Theories and Concepts are the same. Even the Books are the same but they only select those Problems from the book which are linked to Aerospace Mechanics","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13174.0,"score_ratio":3.1666666667} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. So I was wondering if there is a way for them to have both. Thank you in advance","c_root_id_A":"i487txs","c_root_id_B":"i490e4m","created_at_utc_A":1649634045,"created_at_utc_B":1649647757,"score_A":6,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Mechanical with civil coming a close second","human_ref_B":"Mechatronics Engineering, from Wikipedia: focuses on the integration of mechanical, electronic and electrical engineering systems, and also includes a combination of robotics, electronics, computer science, telecommunications, systems, control, and product engineering.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13712.0,"score_ratio":3.1666666667} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. So I was wondering if there is a way for them to have both. Thank you in advance","c_root_id_A":"i48l6hj","c_root_id_B":"i490e4m","created_at_utc_A":1649640319,"created_at_utc_B":1649647757,"score_A":3,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Mechanic Engineering","human_ref_B":"Mechatronics Engineering, from Wikipedia: focuses on the integration of mechanical, electronic and electrical engineering systems, and also includes a combination of robotics, electronics, computer science, telecommunications, systems, control, and product engineering.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7438.0,"score_ratio":6.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. So I was wondering if there is a way for them to have both. Thank you in advance","c_root_id_A":"i47z0ba","c_root_id_B":"i490e4m","created_at_utc_A":1649630033,"created_at_utc_B":1649647757,"score_A":3,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"It\u2019s literally the same degree ( ME and AeroE). The Aeros just have to take some more specialised courses but the general knowledge is 100% the same.","human_ref_B":"Mechatronics Engineering, from Wikipedia: focuses on the integration of mechanical, electronic and electrical engineering systems, and also includes a combination of robotics, electronics, computer science, telecommunications, systems, control, and product engineering.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17724.0,"score_ratio":6.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. So I was wondering if there is a way for them to have both. Thank you in advance","c_root_id_A":"i48wcvz","c_root_id_B":"i49j0ii","created_at_utc_A":1649645659,"created_at_utc_B":1649659843,"score_A":8,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"As a mechanical engineer my job also touches on electrical, chemical, civil engineering, along with chemistry, materials science, and computer science on a daily basis.","human_ref_B":"Waiting to see if someone even mentions materials engineering or materials science. As someone who did bachelors in metallurgical and materials engineering and continued to masters in materials science with a minor focus on nuclear materials as well, I can confirm that it is the most versatile major I\u2019ve seen till date. You can be a mechanical engineer if you intend to as you cover mechanical courses in your curriculum as well. You can get into aerospace as well. I\u2019ve had friends who work for semi conductor industries as well with same major. Pharmaceuticals also hire us with focus on compaction technologies. Last but not the least, manufacturing and research areas will always have demand for us. And many more fields are open as well! Hence, I think this is the most versatile field and I\u2019m lucky to have done masters in it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14184.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. So I was wondering if there is a way for them to have both. Thank you in advance","c_root_id_A":"i49j0ii","c_root_id_B":"i496is7","created_at_utc_A":1649659843,"created_at_utc_B":1649651240,"score_A":12,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Waiting to see if someone even mentions materials engineering or materials science. As someone who did bachelors in metallurgical and materials engineering and continued to masters in materials science with a minor focus on nuclear materials as well, I can confirm that it is the most versatile major I\u2019ve seen till date. You can be a mechanical engineer if you intend to as you cover mechanical courses in your curriculum as well. You can get into aerospace as well. I\u2019ve had friends who work for semi conductor industries as well with same major. Pharmaceuticals also hire us with focus on compaction technologies. Last but not the least, manufacturing and research areas will always have demand for us. And many more fields are open as well! Hence, I think this is the most versatile field and I\u2019m lucky to have done masters in it.","human_ref_B":"The three \u201ccore\u201d fields that will cover a lot of ground would be mechanical, civil, chemical, or electrical. If I had to draw a diagram relating these it would be a triangle with electrical, chemical, and civil all in different corners, with mechanical in the middle. Which kinda represents how the fields are related. Almost every other field is a combination or derivative of those four. For example Aerospace: derivative of mechanical with aspects of electrical. Petroleum: derivative of chemical Biomedical: combination of all chemical + electrical + mechanical but generally you need a graduate degree to really get into it. Mechatronics: mechanical + electrical Biochemical: derivative of chemical Environmental: chemical + civil Nuclear: chemical + mechanical Agricultural: mashup of chemical and other fields. So. If you get one of those main four fields, you may not know specifically what\u2019s in a subfield, but you\u2019ll have the tools to learn it and will be able to make the jump easier. For example, it\u2019s much easier (and common) to go from a traditional chemical background into petroleum but generally harder to see the reverse happen.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8603.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. So I was wondering if there is a way for them to have both. Thank you in advance","c_root_id_A":"i49j0ii","c_root_id_B":"i488zlz","created_at_utc_A":1649659843,"created_at_utc_B":1649634583,"score_A":12,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Waiting to see if someone even mentions materials engineering or materials science. As someone who did bachelors in metallurgical and materials engineering and continued to masters in materials science with a minor focus on nuclear materials as well, I can confirm that it is the most versatile major I\u2019ve seen till date. You can be a mechanical engineer if you intend to as you cover mechanical courses in your curriculum as well. You can get into aerospace as well. I\u2019ve had friends who work for semi conductor industries as well with same major. Pharmaceuticals also hire us with focus on compaction technologies. Last but not the least, manufacturing and research areas will always have demand for us. And many more fields are open as well! Hence, I think this is the most versatile field and I\u2019m lucky to have done masters in it.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a Mechanical Engineer and Currently Teaching Aerospace Engineers So this can tell you that Both Fields are exact the same. The main difference is that You study the same subjects but the Excercise Problems for Aerospace Engineers are linked with Aerospace Bodies but the Theories and Concepts are the same. Even the Books are the same but they only select those Problems from the book which are linked to Aerospace Mechanics","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25260.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. So I was wondering if there is a way for them to have both. Thank you in advance","c_root_id_A":"i49j0ii","c_root_id_B":"i493gt0","created_at_utc_A":1649659843,"created_at_utc_B":1649649447,"score_A":12,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Waiting to see if someone even mentions materials engineering or materials science. As someone who did bachelors in metallurgical and materials engineering and continued to masters in materials science with a minor focus on nuclear materials as well, I can confirm that it is the most versatile major I\u2019ve seen till date. You can be a mechanical engineer if you intend to as you cover mechanical courses in your curriculum as well. You can get into aerospace as well. I\u2019ve had friends who work for semi conductor industries as well with same major. Pharmaceuticals also hire us with focus on compaction technologies. Last but not the least, manufacturing and research areas will always have demand for us. And many more fields are open as well! 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Hence, I think this is the most versatile field and I\u2019m lucky to have done masters in it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9276.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. So I was wondering if there is a way for them to have both. Thank you in advance","c_root_id_A":"i49j0ii","c_root_id_B":"i487txs","created_at_utc_A":1649659843,"created_at_utc_B":1649634045,"score_A":12,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Waiting to see if someone even mentions materials engineering or materials science. As someone who did bachelors in metallurgical and materials engineering and continued to masters in materials science with a minor focus on nuclear materials as well, I can confirm that it is the most versatile major I\u2019ve seen till date. You can be a mechanical engineer if you intend to as you cover mechanical courses in your curriculum as well. You can get into aerospace as well. I\u2019ve had friends who work for semi conductor industries as well with same major. Pharmaceuticals also hire us with focus on compaction technologies. Last but not the least, manufacturing and research areas will always have demand for us. And many more fields are open as well! 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Pharmaceuticals also hire us with focus on compaction technologies. Last but not the least, manufacturing and research areas will always have demand for us. And many more fields are open as well! Hence, I think this is the most versatile field and I\u2019m lucky to have done masters in it.","human_ref_B":"It\u2019s literally the same degree ( ME and AeroE). The Aeros just have to take some more specialised courses but the general knowledge is 100% the same.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":29810.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. So I was wondering if there is a way for them to have both. 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The main difference is that You study the same subjects but the Excercise Problems for Aerospace Engineers are linked with Aerospace Bodies but the Theories and Concepts are the same. Even the Books are the same but they only select those Problems from the book which are linked to Aerospace Mechanics","human_ref_B":"As a mechanical engineer my job also touches on electrical, chemical, civil engineering, along with chemistry, materials science, and computer science on a daily basis.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11076.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. So I was wondering if there is a way for them to have both. 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Mechatronics: mechanical + electrical Biochemical: derivative of chemical Environmental: chemical + civil Nuclear: chemical + mechanical Agricultural: mashup of chemical and other fields. So. If you get one of those main four fields, you may not know specifically what\u2019s in a subfield, but you\u2019ll have the tools to learn it and will be able to make the jump easier. For example, it\u2019s much easier (and common) to go from a traditional chemical background into petroleum but generally harder to see the reverse happen.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10921.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"u0spdq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Which engineering degree covers the most fields? I'm currently working on a story in which the main protagonist is a discredited assistant professor\/inventor\u00a0who I would like to have degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering. So I was wondering if there is a way for them to have both. 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I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernozma","c_root_id_B":"ernph9s","created_at_utc_A":1561057751,"created_at_utc_B":1561058083,"score_A":21,"score_B":76,"human_ref_A":"Recently graduated. One of the local places I applied to sent me the rejection email over 2 months later. It sucks when you spend time going to an interview only to be completely ignored","human_ref_B":"This is the standard from my interview experience. Hell, i\u2019ve been ghosted after a 3RD ROUND interview before","labels":0,"seconds_difference":332.0,"score_ratio":3.619047619} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernph9s","c_root_id_B":"ernp3o5","created_at_utc_A":1561058083,"created_at_utc_B":1561057828,"score_A":76,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"This is the standard from my interview experience. Hell, i\u2019ve been ghosted after a 3RD ROUND interview before","human_ref_B":"Multiple times. Once after an amazing interview where I was told they \"couldn't wait to have me aboard.\" Once after a really crappy interview. Sometimes I get emails about jobs I applied to three years ago","labels":1,"seconds_difference":255.0,"score_ratio":5.8461538462} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? 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Hell, i\u2019ve been ghosted after a 3RD ROUND interview before","labels":0,"seconds_difference":36.0,"score_ratio":10.8571428571} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. 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It sucks when you spend time going to an interview only to be completely ignored","labels":1,"seconds_difference":774.0,"score_ratio":2.2857142857} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernq5dv","c_root_id_B":"ernp3o5","created_at_utc_A":1561058525,"created_at_utc_B":1561057828,"score_A":48,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I'm used to it if they just say \"we'll be in touch\" or whatever, but it really pisses me off when they say \"Okay, we're going to have a group meeting to discuss our applicants next Wednesday, and you'll definitely hear back from us by next Friday\" and then...nothing. So unprofessional.","human_ref_B":"Multiple times. Once after an amazing interview where I was told they \"couldn't wait to have me aboard.\" Once after a really crappy interview. Sometimes I get emails about jobs I applied to three years ago","labels":1,"seconds_difference":697.0,"score_ratio":3.6923076923} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? 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Then like 18 months later I got an automated notice, from the same system I initially applied through, that I should apply for the same position that I'd been ghosted for.","human_ref_B":"I'm used to it if they just say \"we'll be in touch\" or whatever, but it really pisses me off when they say \"Okay, we're going to have a group meeting to discuss our applicants next Wednesday, and you'll definitely hear back from us by next Friday\" and then...nothing. So unprofessional.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":478.0,"score_ratio":6.8571428571} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernprqe","c_root_id_B":"ernq5dv","created_at_utc_A":1561058275,"created_at_utc_B":1561058525,"score_A":3,"score_B":48,"human_ref_A":"This happened to me a long time ago with a big electronics company. I was looking at different places, so it wasn't a huge deal, but was disconcerting. This was 2002-3, so before the term ghosting had that meaning and cultural relevance.","human_ref_B":"I'm used to it if they just say \"we'll be in touch\" or whatever, but it really pisses me off when they say \"Okay, we're going to have a group meeting to discuss our applicants next Wednesday, and you'll definitely hear back from us by next Friday\" and then...nothing. So unprofessional.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":250.0,"score_ratio":16.0} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernsfvw","c_root_id_B":"ernpfat","created_at_utc_A":1561060026,"created_at_utc_B":1561058047,"score_A":12,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"It's the norm, unfortunately. I do appreciate the companies that take the time to let you know it's not going anywhere, but they're few and far between. On a related and somewhat amusing note, I got a rejection email from a company last month... for a job I applied to in *October 2016*. > Thank you for your interest. We have closed out this job and will not be moving forward at this time. > > Best of luck with your job search I should have sent a snarky email back, but I never got around to it.","human_ref_B":"I've been ghosted to the point where I sent an email to check after the time they told me passed, it was ignored, just like you. Then like 18 months later I got an automated notice, from the same system I initially applied through, that I should apply for the same position that I'd been ghosted for.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1979.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. 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We have closed out this job and will not be moving forward at this time. > > Best of luck with your job search I should have sent a snarky email back, but I never got around to it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":997.0,"score_ratio":2.4} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernsfvw","c_root_id_B":"ernqbyz","created_at_utc_A":1561060026,"created_at_utc_B":1561058647,"score_A":12,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"It's the norm, unfortunately. I do appreciate the companies that take the time to let you know it's not going anywhere, but they're few and far between. On a related and somewhat amusing note, I got a rejection email from a company last month... for a job I applied to in *October 2016*. > Thank you for your interest. We have closed out this job and will not be moving forward at this time. > > Best of luck with your job search I should have sent a snarky email back, but I never got around to it.","human_ref_B":"Happens all the time. It\u2019d be nice just to get a short notification saying that you didn\u2019t get the position but I guess it\u2019s not worth their time?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1379.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernrbku","c_root_id_B":"ernsfvw","created_at_utc_A":1561059292,"created_at_utc_B":1561060026,"score_A":4,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Yes! I had the weirdest experience - interview went so well I walked out of there feeling great. I actually had a friend happen to run into one of my interviewers and they realized they both knew me and my interviewer said to my friend, \u201cwe all loved her, we were fighting over whose department she\u2019d go to! I have to talk to HR this week\u201d. Then nothing. I\u2019ve decided I dodged a bullet because if you don\u2019t immediately hire someone you love, what else are you missing?","human_ref_B":"It's the norm, unfortunately. I do appreciate the companies that take the time to let you know it's not going anywhere, but they're few and far between. On a related and somewhat amusing note, I got a rejection email from a company last month... for a job I applied to in *October 2016*. > Thank you for your interest. We have closed out this job and will not be moving forward at this time. > > Best of luck with your job search I should have sent a snarky email back, but I never got around to it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":734.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernsfvw","c_root_id_B":"ernrng6","created_at_utc_A":1561060026,"created_at_utc_B":1561059511,"score_A":12,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"It's the norm, unfortunately. I do appreciate the companies that take the time to let you know it's not going anywhere, but they're few and far between. On a related and somewhat amusing note, I got a rejection email from a company last month... for a job I applied to in *October 2016*. > Thank you for your interest. We have closed out this job and will not be moving forward at this time. > > Best of luck with your job search I should have sent a snarky email back, but I never got around to it.","human_ref_B":"Very rarely have *not* been ghosted after an interview. One particular position I applied for sent me a response saying I was no longer being consider for the position 3 years after I applied.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":515.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernprqe","c_root_id_B":"ernsfvw","created_at_utc_A":1561058275,"created_at_utc_B":1561060026,"score_A":3,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"This happened to me a long time ago with a big electronics company. I was looking at different places, so it wasn't a huge deal, but was disconcerting. This was 2002-3, so before the term ghosting had that meaning and cultural relevance.","human_ref_B":"It's the norm, unfortunately. I do appreciate the companies that take the time to let you know it's not going anywhere, but they're few and far between. On a related and somewhat amusing note, I got a rejection email from a company last month... for a job I applied to in *October 2016*. > Thank you for your interest. We have closed out this job and will not be moving forward at this time. > > Best of luck with your job search I should have sent a snarky email back, but I never got around to it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1751.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernsfvw","c_root_id_B":"ernqybz","created_at_utc_A":1561060026,"created_at_utc_B":1561059051,"score_A":12,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It's the norm, unfortunately. I do appreciate the companies that take the time to let you know it's not going anywhere, but they're few and far between. On a related and somewhat amusing note, I got a rejection email from a company last month... for a job I applied to in *October 2016*. > Thank you for your interest. We have closed out this job and will not be moving forward at this time. > > Best of luck with your job search I should have sent a snarky email back, but I never got around to it.","human_ref_B":"Yes, I got deleted from their database and the person whom contacted me for the initial interview said she'd never heard of me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":975.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernsfvw","c_root_id_B":"ernrh8u","created_at_utc_A":1561060026,"created_at_utc_B":1561059397,"score_A":12,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It's the norm, unfortunately. I do appreciate the companies that take the time to let you know it's not going anywhere, but they're few and far between. On a related and somewhat amusing note, I got a rejection email from a company last month... for a job I applied to in *October 2016*. > Thank you for your interest. We have closed out this job and will not be moving forward at this time. > > Best of luck with your job search I should have sent a snarky email back, but I never got around to it.","human_ref_B":"Thats normal my boy","labels":1,"seconds_difference":629.0,"score_ratio":6.0} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? 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Every few weeks I get a call or message saying they would like me back for a second interview, they just need to sort out a few things internally first. Then I hear nothing until the next time. It has long since passed through red flag territory.","human_ref_B":"It's the rule, not the exception unfortunately. ​ Actually, one time I got an email saying that they decided to not even hire anyone at all, so there's always that. I graduated over a year ago and STILL get a rejection email every now and again.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2781.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernqx4v","c_root_id_B":"ernqbyz","created_at_utc_A":1561059029,"created_at_utc_B":1561058647,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"It's the rule, not the exception unfortunately. ​ Actually, one time I got an email saying that they decided to not even hire anyone at all, so there's always that. I graduated over a year ago and STILL get a rejection email every now and again.","human_ref_B":"Happens all the time. It\u2019d be nice just to get a short notification saying that you didn\u2019t get the position but I guess it\u2019s not worth their time?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":382.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. 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I graduated over a year ago and STILL get a rejection email every now and again.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":754.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernqbyz","c_root_id_B":"ernv6cx","created_at_utc_A":1561058647,"created_at_utc_B":1561061810,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Happens all the time. It\u2019d be nice just to get a short notification saying that you didn\u2019t get the position but I guess it\u2019s not worth their time?","human_ref_B":"Every kind of inconsiderate behaviour happens in the job market. And let's be honest, as engineers we are reasonably high-valued and somewhat non-interchangeable, so we get treated *better* than a lot of people. But still we sometimes get ghosted. Just for fun, I'll mention another situation. A company I had a first interview with a few months ago seems terminally indecisive about hiring anyone at all. Every few weeks I get a call or message saying they would like me back for a second interview, they just need to sort out a few things internally first. Then I hear nothing until the next time. 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I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernvnm6","c_root_id_B":"erogvc1","created_at_utc_A":1561062120,"created_at_utc_B":1561078644,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I actually traveled 100 miles for a final interview, (4th interview) which according to them, at the time, went \u201cvery well\u201d.... only to be ghosted","human_ref_B":"What\u2019s funny is I was talking to someone the other day who was adamant that, \u201cmillennials are destroying the workforce because they\u2019re being hired and then ghosting their companies.\u201d But all I\u2019ve ever experienced was no response from places I\u2019ve applied.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16524.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernw23r","c_root_id_B":"erogvc1","created_at_utc_A":1561062377,"created_at_utc_B":1561078644,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Sadly, people just don't like to say \"No\". I won't say get used to it, because then I will get downvoted for telling you to accept others' bad behavior, despite the fact that that's how it is and I'm not responsible for it, but that's how it is.","human_ref_B":"What\u2019s funny is I was talking to someone the other day who was adamant that, \u201cmillennials are destroying the workforce because they\u2019re being hired and then ghosting their companies.\u201d But all I\u2019ve ever experienced was no response from places I\u2019ve applied.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16267.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"erny136","c_root_id_B":"erogvc1","created_at_utc_A":1561063652,"created_at_utc_B":1561078644,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"That happen to me right after I graduate from college and as an recent graduate I was desperate for a job, and I think that is unprofessional from companies or the person in charge of hiring to not notified us if we got the job or not. The person I talk to said they were going to call me to give me an interview and never call it was a good job with great pay and benefits but after a while an at least an email saying \u201cwe don\u2019t need you\u201d would be enough.","human_ref_B":"What\u2019s funny is I was talking to someone the other day who was adamant that, \u201cmillennials are destroying the workforce because they\u2019re being hired and then ghosting their companies.\u201d But all I\u2019ve ever experienced was no response from places I\u2019ve applied.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14992.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ero4f3x","c_root_id_B":"erogvc1","created_at_utc_A":1561068013,"created_at_utc_B":1561078644,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I recently got ghosted after receiving an email saying they were going to send me an offer in 2 days (Friday).","human_ref_B":"What\u2019s funny is I was talking to someone the other day who was adamant that, \u201cmillennials are destroying the workforce because they\u2019re being hired and then ghosting their companies.\u201d But all I\u2019ve ever experienced was no response from places I\u2019ve applied.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10631.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"erogvc1","c_root_id_B":"erobbeb","created_at_utc_A":1561078644,"created_at_utc_B":1561074080,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"What\u2019s funny is I was talking to someone the other day who was adamant that, \u201cmillennials are destroying the workforce because they\u2019re being hired and then ghosting their companies.\u201d But all I\u2019ve ever experienced was no response from places I\u2019ve applied.","human_ref_B":"I had several companies ghost me. Sometimes they would get back to me way later. The company I work at now appeared to have ghosted me as I didn't hear from them for like 4 weeks but it turns out they just got snowed out and literally couldn't open the office doors for weeks.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4564.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"erobfog","c_root_id_B":"erogvc1","created_at_utc_A":1561074205,"created_at_utc_B":1561078644,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Yes, happens every time. From the jobs that I've applied, only ONE company was able to tell me that unfortunately I was not considered for the interview process. I think this is nice rather than rude. Sometimes we are just waiting for that \"phone call\" expecting to be a job offer or an interview, but no, seems like HR think that when looking unprofessional, the more mysterious and important the company gets.","human_ref_B":"What\u2019s funny is I was talking to someone the other day who was adamant that, \u201cmillennials are destroying the workforce because they\u2019re being hired and then ghosting their companies.\u201d But all I\u2019ve ever experienced was no response from places I\u2019ve applied.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4439.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"erogvc1","c_root_id_B":"erodoc9","created_at_utc_A":1561078644,"created_at_utc_B":1561076200,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"What\u2019s funny is I was talking to someone the other day who was adamant that, \u201cmillennials are destroying the workforce because they\u2019re being hired and then ghosting their companies.\u201d But all I\u2019ve ever experienced was no response from places I\u2019ve applied.","human_ref_B":"Yes, even after all-day interviews that included lunch and office tours. Interviews are Tinder dates - sometimes companies have terrible manners, just like people.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2444.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernrh8u","c_root_id_B":"ernzipz","created_at_utc_A":1561059397,"created_at_utc_B":1561064646,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Thats normal my boy","human_ref_B":"All. The. Time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5249.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernvnm6","c_root_id_B":"ernzipz","created_at_utc_A":1561062120,"created_at_utc_B":1561064646,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I actually traveled 100 miles for a final interview, (4th interview) which according to them, at the time, went \u201cvery well\u201d.... only to be ghosted","human_ref_B":"All. The. Time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2526.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernzipz","c_root_id_B":"ernw23r","created_at_utc_A":1561064646,"created_at_utc_B":1561062377,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"All. The. Time.","human_ref_B":"Sadly, people just don't like to say \"No\". I won't say get used to it, because then I will get downvoted for telling you to accept others' bad behavior, despite the fact that that's how it is and I'm not responsible for it, but that's how it is.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2269.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ernzipz","c_root_id_B":"erny136","created_at_utc_A":1561064646,"created_at_utc_B":1561063652,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"All. The. Time.","human_ref_B":"That happen to me right after I graduate from college and as an recent graduate I was desperate for a job, and I think that is unprofessional from companies or the person in charge of hiring to not notified us if we got the job or not. The person I talk to said they were going to call me to give me an interview and never call it was a good job with great pay and benefits but after a while an at least an email saying \u201cwe don\u2019t need you\u201d would be enough.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":994.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"erobfog","c_root_id_B":"ernrh8u","created_at_utc_A":1561074205,"created_at_utc_B":1561059397,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Yes, happens every time. From the jobs that I've applied, only ONE company was able to tell me that unfortunately I was not considered for the interview process. I think this is nice rather than rude. Sometimes we are just waiting for that \"phone call\" expecting to be a job offer or an interview, but no, seems like HR think that when looking unprofessional, the more mysterious and important the company gets.","human_ref_B":"Thats normal my boy","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14808.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"erobfog","c_root_id_B":"ernvnm6","created_at_utc_A":1561074205,"created_at_utc_B":1561062120,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Yes, happens every time. From the jobs that I've applied, only ONE company was able to tell me that unfortunately I was not considered for the interview process. I think this is nice rather than rude. Sometimes we are just waiting for that \"phone call\" expecting to be a job offer or an interview, but no, seems like HR think that when looking unprofessional, the more mysterious and important the company gets.","human_ref_B":"I actually traveled 100 miles for a final interview, (4th interview) which according to them, at the time, went \u201cvery well\u201d.... only to be ghosted","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12085.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"erobfog","c_root_id_B":"ernw23r","created_at_utc_A":1561074205,"created_at_utc_B":1561062377,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Yes, happens every time. From the jobs that I've applied, only ONE company was able to tell me that unfortunately I was not considered for the interview process. I think this is nice rather than rude. Sometimes we are just waiting for that \"phone call\" expecting to be a job offer or an interview, but no, seems like HR think that when looking unprofessional, the more mysterious and important the company gets.","human_ref_B":"Sadly, people just don't like to say \"No\". I won't say get used to it, because then I will get downvoted for telling you to accept others' bad behavior, despite the fact that that's how it is and I'm not responsible for it, but that's how it is.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11828.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"erny136","c_root_id_B":"erobfog","created_at_utc_A":1561063652,"created_at_utc_B":1561074205,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"That happen to me right after I graduate from college and as an recent graduate I was desperate for a job, and I think that is unprofessional from companies or the person in charge of hiring to not notified us if we got the job or not. The person I talk to said they were going to call me to give me an interview and never call it was a good job with great pay and benefits but after a while an at least an email saying \u201cwe don\u2019t need you\u201d would be enough.","human_ref_B":"Yes, happens every time. From the jobs that I've applied, only ONE company was able to tell me that unfortunately I was not considered for the interview process. I think this is nice rather than rude. Sometimes we are just waiting for that \"phone call\" expecting to be a job offer or an interview, but no, seems like HR think that when looking unprofessional, the more mysterious and important the company gets.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10553.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"ero4f3x","c_root_id_B":"erobfog","created_at_utc_A":1561068013,"created_at_utc_B":1561074205,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I recently got ghosted after receiving an email saying they were going to send me an offer in 2 days (Friday).","human_ref_B":"Yes, happens every time. From the jobs that I've applied, only ONE company was able to tell me that unfortunately I was not considered for the interview process. I think this is nice rather than rude. Sometimes we are just waiting for that \"phone call\" expecting to be a job offer or an interview, but no, seems like HR think that when looking unprofessional, the more mysterious and important the company gets.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6192.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"c2zv83","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Have you ever been ghosted after an interview? I always thought it was a rare occurrence but I recently experienced it. I had sent one email asking for an update after the amount of time I was told they would get back to me passed, and even that was ignored. I know I clearly didn\u2019t land the job, but it seems strange that a company doesn\u2019t reach out after an interview","c_root_id_A":"erobfog","c_root_id_B":"erobbeb","created_at_utc_A":1561074205,"created_at_utc_B":1561074080,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Yes, happens every time. From the jobs that I've applied, only ONE company was able to tell me that unfortunately I was not considered for the interview process. I think this is nice rather than rude. Sometimes we are just waiting for that \"phone call\" expecting to be a job offer or an interview, but no, seems like HR think that when looking unprofessional, the more mysterious and important the company gets.","human_ref_B":"I had several companies ghost me. Sometimes they would get back to me way later. The company I work at now appeared to have ghosted me as I didn't hear from them for like 4 weeks but it turns out they just got snowed out and literally couldn't open the office doors for weeks.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":125.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpczhsp","c_root_id_B":"dpd0rvv","created_at_utc_A":1509846626,"created_at_utc_B":1509848279,"score_A":15,"score_B":50,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019re hooped. If I was in your shoes, I would look at past similar project records you might have access to for rough numbers, and budget for consultants.","human_ref_B":"Talk to suppliers. Every supplier for washers and autoclaves. Have they ever supplied to your firm in the past? Get details from them. Who was the point of contact in your firm? Which of your competitors do they supply to? Supplier A, what makes your autoclave Beyer than the one from supplier B? Supplier B, what makes your washer better than the one from Supplier A? And so on. You got this dawg.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1653.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpd3c8f","c_root_id_B":"dpczhsp","created_at_utc_A":1509851599,"created_at_utc_B":1509846626,"score_A":45,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Okay, so my professional advice, find a new company now. This place seems toxic and is going to end up burning at some point. Don't be the fall guy. As for your actual question, typically no one engineer actually learns all of the regulations and standards. Rather, they pick up pieces and parts of them. Some eventually learn enough to know all of the major requirements and most of the minor requirements that commonly encountered. But realistically, most engineering firms just develop rules of thumb over years that force people to abide by regulations and standards even when they don't necessarily know the requirements in-depth. But you don't have that. If you decide to stay (don't, get out now), then you need people (yes people, not a person) experienced in this area to consult for you. This will probably cost as much as those people your company just laid off during this initial phase. Afterwards, it might become cheaper. Talk to vendors, ask people in the industry. But seriously, get the fuck out. If they ask you to sign any drawings, I really hope you know what you are and are not legally allowed to sign. And if you are somehow a PE already, don't sign them. Just get out.","human_ref_B":"You\u2019re hooped. If I was in your shoes, I would look at past similar project records you might have access to for rough numbers, and budget for consultants.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4973.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpd3c8f","c_root_id_B":"dpd21xo","created_at_utc_A":1509851599,"created_at_utc_B":1509849875,"score_A":45,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Okay, so my professional advice, find a new company now. This place seems toxic and is going to end up burning at some point. Don't be the fall guy. As for your actual question, typically no one engineer actually learns all of the regulations and standards. Rather, they pick up pieces and parts of them. Some eventually learn enough to know all of the major requirements and most of the minor requirements that commonly encountered. But realistically, most engineering firms just develop rules of thumb over years that force people to abide by regulations and standards even when they don't necessarily know the requirements in-depth. But you don't have that. If you decide to stay (don't, get out now), then you need people (yes people, not a person) experienced in this area to consult for you. This will probably cost as much as those people your company just laid off during this initial phase. Afterwards, it might become cheaper. Talk to vendors, ask people in the industry. But seriously, get the fuck out. If they ask you to sign any drawings, I really hope you know what you are and are not legally allowed to sign. And if you are somehow a PE already, don't sign them. Just get out.","human_ref_B":"Clear it with your employer then hire a consultant for advice. They are saving piles of money by having a junior engineer rather than a team of senior engineers. Hiring a consultant from time to time makes good sense if it avoid costly mistakes. Also it's not like the consultant replaces your role since you decide how much you want them to do for you. If used correctly, they will simply augment your abilities. They can provide you advice and you still do all the leg work. For example, if you focus on describing what you need this equipment to do, a consultant can help you define the specifications you need to list on a request for quotation document which you can issue to suppliers. Then you prepare the document, issue it to suppliers, follow up with them, ask questions and evaluate their quotes. Prepare an evaluation summary document then ask the consultant to review it before you make a recommendation to your employer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1724.0,"score_ratio":15.0} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpd4bg3","c_root_id_B":"dpczhsp","created_at_utc_A":1509852856,"created_at_utc_B":1509846626,"score_A":32,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":">I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project. Sounds like your company or sector is a sinking ship and your hiring is the the unlikely hail mary pass out of pure desperation. No disrespect, but anyone properly competent\/experienced\/trained for the position would cost way too much but it sounds like they're going with the \"fuck it, let's throw the new guy under the bus. If\/when he fails, we can blame him for the last\" card. I've seen it played many times. My old company laid off a ton of competent engineers because anyone right for the job was too expensive.","human_ref_B":"You\u2019re hooped. If I was in your shoes, I would look at past similar project records you might have access to for rough numbers, and budget for consultants.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6230.0,"score_ratio":2.1333333333} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpd4bg3","c_root_id_B":"dpd21xo","created_at_utc_A":1509852856,"created_at_utc_B":1509849875,"score_A":32,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":">I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project. Sounds like your company or sector is a sinking ship and your hiring is the the unlikely hail mary pass out of pure desperation. No disrespect, but anyone properly competent\/experienced\/trained for the position would cost way too much but it sounds like they're going with the \"fuck it, let's throw the new guy under the bus. If\/when he fails, we can blame him for the last\" card. I've seen it played many times. My old company laid off a ton of competent engineers because anyone right for the job was too expensive.","human_ref_B":"Clear it with your employer then hire a consultant for advice. They are saving piles of money by having a junior engineer rather than a team of senior engineers. Hiring a consultant from time to time makes good sense if it avoid costly mistakes. Also it's not like the consultant replaces your role since you decide how much you want them to do for you. If used correctly, they will simply augment your abilities. They can provide you advice and you still do all the leg work. For example, if you focus on describing what you need this equipment to do, a consultant can help you define the specifications you need to list on a request for quotation document which you can issue to suppliers. Then you prepare the document, issue it to suppliers, follow up with them, ask questions and evaluate their quotes. Prepare an evaluation summary document then ask the consultant to review it before you make a recommendation to your employer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2981.0,"score_ratio":10.6666666667} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpd4bg3","c_root_id_B":"dpd409x","created_at_utc_A":1509852856,"created_at_utc_B":1509852482,"score_A":32,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":">I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project. Sounds like your company or sector is a sinking ship and your hiring is the the unlikely hail mary pass out of pure desperation. No disrespect, but anyone properly competent\/experienced\/trained for the position would cost way too much but it sounds like they're going with the \"fuck it, let's throw the new guy under the bus. If\/when he fails, we can blame him for the last\" card. I've seen it played many times. My old company laid off a ton of competent engineers because anyone right for the job was too expensive.","human_ref_B":"First, make sure you know if your company has any extra standards they use to cover their ass. They are usually published by corporate and should be easily accessible for you. If they don\u2019t, you\u2019re ok. Suppliers and reps from washers and autoclaves companies will do anything if they sense a sale is in order. So call them up and tell them about your project and they\u2019ll walk you through all of their products. Ask lots of questions, most of these reps know what the hell their talking about. Once you think you get it, ask more questions. Write down information. Compare notes for each company and decide. Basic engineering. Fake it until you make it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":374.0,"score_ratio":16.0} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpd4rm5","c_root_id_B":"dpd21xo","created_at_utc_A":1509853459,"created_at_utc_B":1509849875,"score_A":11,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Honestly, giving you sole control of an 8-figure project in your first rodeo is insane, and the only rational move is to pay some of the laid off engineers to come back as consultants.","human_ref_B":"Clear it with your employer then hire a consultant for advice. They are saving piles of money by having a junior engineer rather than a team of senior engineers. Hiring a consultant from time to time makes good sense if it avoid costly mistakes. Also it's not like the consultant replaces your role since you decide how much you want them to do for you. If used correctly, they will simply augment your abilities. They can provide you advice and you still do all the leg work. For example, if you focus on describing what you need this equipment to do, a consultant can help you define the specifications you need to list on a request for quotation document which you can issue to suppliers. Then you prepare the document, issue it to suppliers, follow up with them, ask questions and evaluate their quotes. Prepare an evaluation summary document then ask the consultant to review it before you make a recommendation to your employer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3584.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpd4rm5","c_root_id_B":"dpd409x","created_at_utc_A":1509853459,"created_at_utc_B":1509852482,"score_A":11,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Honestly, giving you sole control of an 8-figure project in your first rodeo is insane, and the only rational move is to pay some of the laid off engineers to come back as consultants.","human_ref_B":"First, make sure you know if your company has any extra standards they use to cover their ass. They are usually published by corporate and should be easily accessible for you. If they don\u2019t, you\u2019re ok. Suppliers and reps from washers and autoclaves companies will do anything if they sense a sale is in order. So call them up and tell them about your project and they\u2019ll walk you through all of their products. Ask lots of questions, most of these reps know what the hell their talking about. Once you think you get it, ask more questions. Write down information. Compare notes for each company and decide. Basic engineering. Fake it until you make it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":977.0,"score_ratio":5.5} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpd21xo","c_root_id_B":"dpdi80i","created_at_utc_A":1509849875,"created_at_utc_B":1509885685,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Clear it with your employer then hire a consultant for advice. They are saving piles of money by having a junior engineer rather than a team of senior engineers. Hiring a consultant from time to time makes good sense if it avoid costly mistakes. Also it's not like the consultant replaces your role since you decide how much you want them to do for you. If used correctly, they will simply augment your abilities. They can provide you advice and you still do all the leg work. For example, if you focus on describing what you need this equipment to do, a consultant can help you define the specifications you need to list on a request for quotation document which you can issue to suppliers. Then you prepare the document, issue it to suppliers, follow up with them, ask questions and evaluate their quotes. Prepare an evaluation summary document then ask the consultant to review it before you make a recommendation to your employer.","human_ref_B":"Fuck this company. What do you think is going to happen when *you* become the senior engineer? They clearly didnt have loyalty to their old engineers, I hope you don't think they'll have loyalty to you when you gain more experience and start asking for money on-par with your experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":35810.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpd7u3k","c_root_id_B":"dpdi80i","created_at_utc_A":1509858030,"created_at_utc_B":1509885685,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I know in the aero industry it's usually an entire department dedicated to \"airworthiness\" and we have some other departments with special niches in regulatory compliance, e.g. ITAR, foreign exports, nuclear. There may be such a department within your company, but it sounds like you've been given the impossible and will be used as a scapegoat when you inevitably fail. I'd weigh anchor and haul out.","human_ref_B":"Fuck this company. What do you think is going to happen when *you* become the senior engineer? They clearly didnt have loyalty to their old engineers, I hope you don't think they'll have loyalty to you when you gain more experience and start asking for money on-par with your experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27655.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpd409x","c_root_id_B":"dpdi80i","created_at_utc_A":1509852482,"created_at_utc_B":1509885685,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"First, make sure you know if your company has any extra standards they use to cover their ass. They are usually published by corporate and should be easily accessible for you. If they don\u2019t, you\u2019re ok. Suppliers and reps from washers and autoclaves companies will do anything if they sense a sale is in order. So call them up and tell them about your project and they\u2019ll walk you through all of their products. Ask lots of questions, most of these reps know what the hell their talking about. Once you think you get it, ask more questions. Write down information. Compare notes for each company and decide. Basic engineering. Fake it until you make it.","human_ref_B":"Fuck this company. What do you think is going to happen when *you* become the senior engineer? They clearly didnt have loyalty to their old engineers, I hope you don't think they'll have loyalty to you when you gain more experience and start asking for money on-par with your experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":33203.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpdi80i","c_root_id_B":"dpda6ur","created_at_utc_A":1509885685,"created_at_utc_B":1509862569,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Fuck this company. What do you think is going to happen when *you* become the senior engineer? They clearly didnt have loyalty to their old engineers, I hope you don't think they'll have loyalty to you when you gain more experience and start asking for money on-par with your experience.","human_ref_B":"Get a hold of the engineering drawings. At the top right corner, there usually is a list of applicable standards and guidelines your system adheres to. If you are lazy, just do a like for like replacement. What isnt broken doesnt require fixing. Call up the vendors who built your system and get them to offer you a quote. Then show the quotes to management.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23116.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpdi80i","c_root_id_B":"dpdgje0","created_at_utc_A":1509885685,"created_at_utc_B":1509881406,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Fuck this company. What do you think is going to happen when *you* become the senior engineer? They clearly didnt have loyalty to their old engineers, I hope you don't think they'll have loyalty to you when you gain more experience and start asking for money on-par with your experience.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like a charming employer. Good luck mate. FWIW the best way to learn the standards is years of practice with experienced hands to show you the way. Without help you'll need to do your best I guess.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4279.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpddw04","c_root_id_B":"dpd21xo","created_at_utc_A":1509873106,"created_at_utc_B":1509849875,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":">How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project Typically you'd learn that from senior engineers who would advise \/ review \/ direct \/ monitor your work. I'd agree with others that without that oversight then you're in a crap situation. I'd also be thinking about leaving too. Your learning doesn't stop when you move into employment. Find somewhere that is going to value you and invest in training you","human_ref_B":"Clear it with your employer then hire a consultant for advice. They are saving piles of money by having a junior engineer rather than a team of senior engineers. Hiring a consultant from time to time makes good sense if it avoid costly mistakes. Also it's not like the consultant replaces your role since you decide how much you want them to do for you. If used correctly, they will simply augment your abilities. They can provide you advice and you still do all the leg work. For example, if you focus on describing what you need this equipment to do, a consultant can help you define the specifications you need to list on a request for quotation document which you can issue to suppliers. Then you prepare the document, issue it to suppliers, follow up with them, ask questions and evaluate their quotes. Prepare an evaluation summary document then ask the consultant to review it before you make a recommendation to your employer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23231.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpd21xo","c_root_id_B":"dpdlxix","created_at_utc_A":1509849875,"created_at_utc_B":1509892350,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Clear it with your employer then hire a consultant for advice. They are saving piles of money by having a junior engineer rather than a team of senior engineers. Hiring a consultant from time to time makes good sense if it avoid costly mistakes. Also it's not like the consultant replaces your role since you decide how much you want them to do for you. If used correctly, they will simply augment your abilities. They can provide you advice and you still do all the leg work. For example, if you focus on describing what you need this equipment to do, a consultant can help you define the specifications you need to list on a request for quotation document which you can issue to suppliers. Then you prepare the document, issue it to suppliers, follow up with them, ask questions and evaluate their quotes. Prepare an evaluation summary document then ask the consultant to review it before you make a recommendation to your employer.","human_ref_B":"This was actually my job for awhile. So here\u2019s my advice. First, go read the FDA guidance associated with equipment and process changes. Second, read all the company SOPs on Commissioning, qualification, and validation. Third, find whoever is in charge of the change control process and become their best friend and ask them lots of questions. Fourth, find a project that was similar to this and pull every change control, SAT, IQ, OQ, Q memo, etc. Most of your job is documenting the process and a lot of that can just be using the templates that came before you. Advice. Never guess. Don\u2019t be afraid to be a pest. If you don\u2019t you\u2019ll miss something, get in trouble with quality, and probably miss your deadline. Everything will take longer and cost more. Try to build in a 30% buffer. Looks better coming in time under budget than late and over budget. Get all the right people in the rooms for meetings. This will effect a lot of different departments. Become the contractors best friend. The hardest part will be coordinating the utilities work. Good luck. You\u2019re going to mess something up, but that\u2019s a learning experience. Just make sure you admit to it and have a solution before anyone finds out.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":42475.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpd7u3k","c_root_id_B":"dpddw04","created_at_utc_A":1509858030,"created_at_utc_B":1509873106,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I know in the aero industry it's usually an entire department dedicated to \"airworthiness\" and we have some other departments with special niches in regulatory compliance, e.g. ITAR, foreign exports, nuclear. There may be such a department within your company, but it sounds like you've been given the impossible and will be used as a scapegoat when you inevitably fail. I'd weigh anchor and haul out.","human_ref_B":">How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project Typically you'd learn that from senior engineers who would advise \/ review \/ direct \/ monitor your work. I'd agree with others that without that oversight then you're in a crap situation. I'd also be thinking about leaving too. Your learning doesn't stop when you move into employment. Find somewhere that is going to value you and invest in training you","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15076.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpddw04","c_root_id_B":"dpd409x","created_at_utc_A":1509873106,"created_at_utc_B":1509852482,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":">How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project Typically you'd learn that from senior engineers who would advise \/ review \/ direct \/ monitor your work. I'd agree with others that without that oversight then you're in a crap situation. I'd also be thinking about leaving too. Your learning doesn't stop when you move into employment. Find somewhere that is going to value you and invest in training you","human_ref_B":"First, make sure you know if your company has any extra standards they use to cover their ass. They are usually published by corporate and should be easily accessible for you. If they don\u2019t, you\u2019re ok. Suppliers and reps from washers and autoclaves companies will do anything if they sense a sale is in order. So call them up and tell them about your project and they\u2019ll walk you through all of their products. Ask lots of questions, most of these reps know what the hell their talking about. Once you think you get it, ask more questions. Write down information. Compare notes for each company and decide. Basic engineering. Fake it until you make it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20624.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpddw04","c_root_id_B":"dpda6ur","created_at_utc_A":1509873106,"created_at_utc_B":1509862569,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":">How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project Typically you'd learn that from senior engineers who would advise \/ review \/ direct \/ monitor your work. I'd agree with others that without that oversight then you're in a crap situation. I'd also be thinking about leaving too. Your learning doesn't stop when you move into employment. Find somewhere that is going to value you and invest in training you","human_ref_B":"Get a hold of the engineering drawings. At the top right corner, there usually is a list of applicable standards and guidelines your system adheres to. If you are lazy, just do a like for like replacement. What isnt broken doesnt require fixing. Call up the vendors who built your system and get them to offer you a quote. Then show the quotes to management.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10537.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpd7u3k","c_root_id_B":"dpdlxix","created_at_utc_A":1509858030,"created_at_utc_B":1509892350,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I know in the aero industry it's usually an entire department dedicated to \"airworthiness\" and we have some other departments with special niches in regulatory compliance, e.g. ITAR, foreign exports, nuclear. There may be such a department within your company, but it sounds like you've been given the impossible and will be used as a scapegoat when you inevitably fail. I'd weigh anchor and haul out.","human_ref_B":"This was actually my job for awhile. So here\u2019s my advice. First, go read the FDA guidance associated with equipment and process changes. Second, read all the company SOPs on Commissioning, qualification, and validation. Third, find whoever is in charge of the change control process and become their best friend and ask them lots of questions. Fourth, find a project that was similar to this and pull every change control, SAT, IQ, OQ, Q memo, etc. Most of your job is documenting the process and a lot of that can just be using the templates that came before you. Advice. Never guess. Don\u2019t be afraid to be a pest. If you don\u2019t you\u2019ll miss something, get in trouble with quality, and probably miss your deadline. Everything will take longer and cost more. Try to build in a 30% buffer. Looks better coming in time under budget than late and over budget. Get all the right people in the rooms for meetings. This will effect a lot of different departments. Become the contractors best friend. The hardest part will be coordinating the utilities work. Good luck. You\u2019re going to mess something up, but that\u2019s a learning experience. Just make sure you admit to it and have a solution before anyone finds out.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":34320.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpdl7zf","c_root_id_B":"dpdlxix","created_at_utc_A":1509891231,"created_at_utc_B":1509892350,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"The alternative that no one has mentioned is that you talk to the manufacturers of this equipment and ask for a turn key installation including documentation and commissioning. It probably will not be the best installation, but it should be functional.","human_ref_B":"This was actually my job for awhile. So here\u2019s my advice. First, go read the FDA guidance associated with equipment and process changes. Second, read all the company SOPs on Commissioning, qualification, and validation. Third, find whoever is in charge of the change control process and become their best friend and ask them lots of questions. Fourth, find a project that was similar to this and pull every change control, SAT, IQ, OQ, Q memo, etc. Most of your job is documenting the process and a lot of that can just be using the templates that came before you. Advice. Never guess. Don\u2019t be afraid to be a pest. If you don\u2019t you\u2019ll miss something, get in trouble with quality, and probably miss your deadline. Everything will take longer and cost more. Try to build in a 30% buffer. Looks better coming in time under budget than late and over budget. Get all the right people in the rooms for meetings. This will effect a lot of different departments. Become the contractors best friend. The hardest part will be coordinating the utilities work. Good luck. You\u2019re going to mess something up, but that\u2019s a learning experience. Just make sure you admit to it and have a solution before anyone finds out.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1119.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpdlxix","c_root_id_B":"dpd409x","created_at_utc_A":1509892350,"created_at_utc_B":1509852482,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This was actually my job for awhile. So here\u2019s my advice. First, go read the FDA guidance associated with equipment and process changes. Second, read all the company SOPs on Commissioning, qualification, and validation. Third, find whoever is in charge of the change control process and become their best friend and ask them lots of questions. Fourth, find a project that was similar to this and pull every change control, SAT, IQ, OQ, Q memo, etc. Most of your job is documenting the process and a lot of that can just be using the templates that came before you. Advice. Never guess. Don\u2019t be afraid to be a pest. If you don\u2019t you\u2019ll miss something, get in trouble with quality, and probably miss your deadline. Everything will take longer and cost more. Try to build in a 30% buffer. Looks better coming in time under budget than late and over budget. Get all the right people in the rooms for meetings. This will effect a lot of different departments. Become the contractors best friend. The hardest part will be coordinating the utilities work. Good luck. You\u2019re going to mess something up, but that\u2019s a learning experience. Just make sure you admit to it and have a solution before anyone finds out.","human_ref_B":"First, make sure you know if your company has any extra standards they use to cover their ass. They are usually published by corporate and should be easily accessible for you. If they don\u2019t, you\u2019re ok. Suppliers and reps from washers and autoclaves companies will do anything if they sense a sale is in order. So call them up and tell them about your project and they\u2019ll walk you through all of their products. Ask lots of questions, most of these reps know what the hell their talking about. Once you think you get it, ask more questions. Write down information. Compare notes for each company and decide. Basic engineering. Fake it until you make it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":39868.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpda6ur","c_root_id_B":"dpdlxix","created_at_utc_A":1509862569,"created_at_utc_B":1509892350,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Get a hold of the engineering drawings. At the top right corner, there usually is a list of applicable standards and guidelines your system adheres to. If you are lazy, just do a like for like replacement. What isnt broken doesnt require fixing. Call up the vendors who built your system and get them to offer you a quote. Then show the quotes to management.","human_ref_B":"This was actually my job for awhile. So here\u2019s my advice. First, go read the FDA guidance associated with equipment and process changes. Second, read all the company SOPs on Commissioning, qualification, and validation. Third, find whoever is in charge of the change control process and become their best friend and ask them lots of questions. Fourth, find a project that was similar to this and pull every change control, SAT, IQ, OQ, Q memo, etc. Most of your job is documenting the process and a lot of that can just be using the templates that came before you. Advice. Never guess. Don\u2019t be afraid to be a pest. If you don\u2019t you\u2019ll miss something, get in trouble with quality, and probably miss your deadline. Everything will take longer and cost more. Try to build in a 30% buffer. Looks better coming in time under budget than late and over budget. Get all the right people in the rooms for meetings. This will effect a lot of different departments. Become the contractors best friend. The hardest part will be coordinating the utilities work. Good luck. You\u2019re going to mess something up, but that\u2019s a learning experience. Just make sure you admit to it and have a solution before anyone finds out.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29781.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpdlxix","c_root_id_B":"dpdgje0","created_at_utc_A":1509892350,"created_at_utc_B":1509881406,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This was actually my job for awhile. So here\u2019s my advice. First, go read the FDA guidance associated with equipment and process changes. Second, read all the company SOPs on Commissioning, qualification, and validation. Third, find whoever is in charge of the change control process and become their best friend and ask them lots of questions. Fourth, find a project that was similar to this and pull every change control, SAT, IQ, OQ, Q memo, etc. Most of your job is documenting the process and a lot of that can just be using the templates that came before you. Advice. Never guess. Don\u2019t be afraid to be a pest. If you don\u2019t you\u2019ll miss something, get in trouble with quality, and probably miss your deadline. Everything will take longer and cost more. Try to build in a 30% buffer. Looks better coming in time under budget than late and over budget. Get all the right people in the rooms for meetings. This will effect a lot of different departments. Become the contractors best friend. The hardest part will be coordinating the utilities work. Good luck. You\u2019re going to mess something up, but that\u2019s a learning experience. Just make sure you admit to it and have a solution before anyone finds out.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like a charming employer. Good luck mate. FWIW the best way to learn the standards is years of practice with experienced hands to show you the way. Without help you'll need to do your best I guess.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10944.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpd7u3k","c_root_id_B":"dpd409x","created_at_utc_A":1509858030,"created_at_utc_B":1509852482,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I know in the aero industry it's usually an entire department dedicated to \"airworthiness\" and we have some other departments with special niches in regulatory compliance, e.g. ITAR, foreign exports, nuclear. There may be such a department within your company, but it sounds like you've been given the impossible and will be used as a scapegoat when you inevitably fail. I'd weigh anchor and haul out.","human_ref_B":"First, make sure you know if your company has any extra standards they use to cover their ass. They are usually published by corporate and should be easily accessible for you. If they don\u2019t, you\u2019re ok. Suppliers and reps from washers and autoclaves companies will do anything if they sense a sale is in order. So call them up and tell them about your project and they\u2019ll walk you through all of their products. Ask lots of questions, most of these reps know what the hell their talking about. Once you think you get it, ask more questions. Write down information. Compare notes for each company and decide. Basic engineering. Fake it until you make it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5548.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpd409x","c_root_id_B":"dpdl7zf","created_at_utc_A":1509852482,"created_at_utc_B":1509891231,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"First, make sure you know if your company has any extra standards they use to cover their ass. They are usually published by corporate and should be easily accessible for you. If they don\u2019t, you\u2019re ok. Suppliers and reps from washers and autoclaves companies will do anything if they sense a sale is in order. So call them up and tell them about your project and they\u2019ll walk you through all of their products. Ask lots of questions, most of these reps know what the hell their talking about. Once you think you get it, ask more questions. Write down information. Compare notes for each company and decide. Basic engineering. Fake it until you make it.","human_ref_B":"The alternative that no one has mentioned is that you talk to the manufacturers of this equipment and ask for a turn key installation including documentation and commissioning. It probably will not be the best installation, but it should be functional.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":38749.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpdl7zf","c_root_id_B":"dpda6ur","created_at_utc_A":1509891231,"created_at_utc_B":1509862569,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"The alternative that no one has mentioned is that you talk to the manufacturers of this equipment and ask for a turn key installation including documentation and commissioning. It probably will not be the best installation, but it should be functional.","human_ref_B":"Get a hold of the engineering drawings. At the top right corner, there usually is a list of applicable standards and guidelines your system adheres to. If you are lazy, just do a like for like replacement. What isnt broken doesnt require fixing. Call up the vendors who built your system and get them to offer you a quote. Then show the quotes to management.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":28662.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7auu36","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do Engineers learn all the applicable regulations and standards associated with their work? Got my first engineering role; pharmaceutical process engineer. I was hired as a junior engineer right before the company laid off most of their senior engineers. I'm now tasked with my first equipment replacement project; an industrial washer and two autoclaves (~$11M). I have 6 months to plan and management told me it's sink or swim. I'm even building a business case to secure budget for the project from global management. How do I dive into this industry and learn all applicable regulations, standards, and vendors associated with such a project with the disadvantage of having no senior engineers for guidance? TL;DR: I need a crash course in pharma grade equipment replacement and I have no colleagues.","c_root_id_A":"dpdgje0","c_root_id_B":"dpdl7zf","created_at_utc_A":1509881406,"created_at_utc_B":1509891231,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like a charming employer. Good luck mate. FWIW the best way to learn the standards is years of practice with experienced hands to show you the way. Without help you'll need to do your best I guess.","human_ref_B":"The alternative that no one has mentioned is that you talk to the manufacturers of this equipment and ask for a turn key installation including documentation and commissioning. It probably will not be the best installation, but it should be functional.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9825.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvibvur","c_root_id_B":"dvhxvxv","created_at_utc_A":1520733549,"created_at_utc_B":1520716383,"score_A":93,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"I've been doing this for a long time, if that's the worst thing that happens to you, you're ahead of the game. * After a year or so, on the job, I was paired with a different Sr. Engineer, supposedly to be mentored by him. Unfortunately he had zero people skills and zero ability to delegate, so my job turned into being his lackey, doing exactly what he said, exactly how he wanted it done, which he may or may not have communicated to me. Any attempt to discuss my ideas or any deviation from doing exactly what he wanted was met with derision and being called \"incompetent\". Eventually, I lost my cool and called him out on his bullshit. We had a shouting match in the office, which landed us in our manager's office for \"dispute resolution\". In the end, I went to work for another Sr. Engineer and he got training in leadership and delegation. * I got called to a meeting in a VP's office where I was read the riot act and accused of not being a team player for refusing to sign a production approval for a product which did not pass our test requirements for safe transit. (Specifically, the package was unstable when stacked in the warehouse.) VP contacted my manager and his boss trying to get me fired. The VP himself signed in my place, overriding me. Subsequently several stacks of these products collapsed in the warehouse, causing several million $ in lost inventory and nearly killing one of the lift truck drivers. VP got fired for that one. * Getting laid off in 2009 when the market crashed and the auto industry nearly collapsed. NO ONE was hiring. I got a decent severance, but it was grim. The lead up was almost worse. I was working on some international projects, but they all got cancelled and\/or put on hold, then we had voluntary 2wk furloughs, then mandatory 2wk furloughs, then they started offering the old timers early retirement incentives and then they started offering buyouts to people with <10 yr with the company. That's when I got out. * Had a manager who called me an idiot in a team meeting because I didn't put two spaces after each sentence in a technical report. * The worst was my last job, where it was evidently OK for supervisors on the production floor to call up an engineer and greet them with, \"Hey asshole, you need to get out here, you fucked this design up and the line's stopped.\" Then it would turn out to be that production used the wrong part or fabrication made the part incorrectly. Engineers also were told that we would be working Saturdays \"until further notice\", which never happened. In the same job, I got praised in the morning team meeting for having \"the best run project in years\" and then not two hours later, called into his office with two other engineers where he yelled at and threatened to fire all three of us for stuff that had already been fixed on the same project. Shortly after that, I went on vacation for a week with my wife. My boss asked me to cancel to clean up the mess after a bunch of the fabrication machinery had broken down because the plant management was too cheap to pay for preventative maintenance and half the fabrication department had quit (These guys were on mandatory 82hr weeks, had been for months and there was no end in sight). I refused. My first day back, my boss sits down at my desk and starts ranting, telling me that I had to get my ass to the other plant 4 states away by the time they start Tuesday morning at 6:30 and throws in a lecture about how inconsiderate it was for me to go on vacation instead of just taking the payout for unused vacation at the end of the year. Unbeknownst to him, or anyone at the company, I had accepted a job offer with a different company and finalized the details while I was out. I had my letter of resignation in my bag. After his rampage, I waited until he was in a meeting and dropped my letter of resignation on his desk and gave one to the manager of HR, for good measure. Then I went out for a walk. Fuck that place. In the end though, the good stuff is still better.","human_ref_B":"I got sent to a mine to help on a project I didn't design. On arrival the client expected things to be running in a week and I discovered that the design drawings did not match the factory wiring. I spent a month there basically completely redesigning the controls side of the project, working 90 hours a week, while the client was at maximum hostility to get the plant running asap. I was close to a breakdown quite a few times. And we had a new baby at home on the other side of the country.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17166.0,"score_ratio":1.8979591837} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvhwf3g","c_root_id_B":"dvibvur","created_at_utc_A":1520714677,"created_at_utc_B":1520733549,"score_A":46,"score_B":93,"human_ref_A":"Well what was the tolerance on the design?","human_ref_B":"I've been doing this for a long time, if that's the worst thing that happens to you, you're ahead of the game. * After a year or so, on the job, I was paired with a different Sr. Engineer, supposedly to be mentored by him. Unfortunately he had zero people skills and zero ability to delegate, so my job turned into being his lackey, doing exactly what he said, exactly how he wanted it done, which he may or may not have communicated to me. Any attempt to discuss my ideas or any deviation from doing exactly what he wanted was met with derision and being called \"incompetent\". Eventually, I lost my cool and called him out on his bullshit. We had a shouting match in the office, which landed us in our manager's office for \"dispute resolution\". In the end, I went to work for another Sr. Engineer and he got training in leadership and delegation. * I got called to a meeting in a VP's office where I was read the riot act and accused of not being a team player for refusing to sign a production approval for a product which did not pass our test requirements for safe transit. (Specifically, the package was unstable when stacked in the warehouse.) VP contacted my manager and his boss trying to get me fired. The VP himself signed in my place, overriding me. Subsequently several stacks of these products collapsed in the warehouse, causing several million $ in lost inventory and nearly killing one of the lift truck drivers. VP got fired for that one. * Getting laid off in 2009 when the market crashed and the auto industry nearly collapsed. NO ONE was hiring. I got a decent severance, but it was grim. The lead up was almost worse. I was working on some international projects, but they all got cancelled and\/or put on hold, then we had voluntary 2wk furloughs, then mandatory 2wk furloughs, then they started offering the old timers early retirement incentives and then they started offering buyouts to people with <10 yr with the company. That's when I got out. * Had a manager who called me an idiot in a team meeting because I didn't put two spaces after each sentence in a technical report. * The worst was my last job, where it was evidently OK for supervisors on the production floor to call up an engineer and greet them with, \"Hey asshole, you need to get out here, you fucked this design up and the line's stopped.\" Then it would turn out to be that production used the wrong part or fabrication made the part incorrectly. Engineers also were told that we would be working Saturdays \"until further notice\", which never happened. In the same job, I got praised in the morning team meeting for having \"the best run project in years\" and then not two hours later, called into his office with two other engineers where he yelled at and threatened to fire all three of us for stuff that had already been fixed on the same project. Shortly after that, I went on vacation for a week with my wife. My boss asked me to cancel to clean up the mess after a bunch of the fabrication machinery had broken down because the plant management was too cheap to pay for preventative maintenance and half the fabrication department had quit (These guys were on mandatory 82hr weeks, had been for months and there was no end in sight). I refused. My first day back, my boss sits down at my desk and starts ranting, telling me that I had to get my ass to the other plant 4 states away by the time they start Tuesday morning at 6:30 and throws in a lecture about how inconsiderate it was for me to go on vacation instead of just taking the payout for unused vacation at the end of the year. Unbeknownst to him, or anyone at the company, I had accepted a job offer with a different company and finalized the details while I was out. I had my letter of resignation in my bag. After his rampage, I waited until he was in a meeting and dropped my letter of resignation on his desk and gave one to the manager of HR, for good measure. Then I went out for a walk. Fuck that place. In the end though, the good stuff is still better.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18872.0,"score_ratio":2.0217391304} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvibvur","c_root_id_B":"dvibidk","created_at_utc_A":1520733549,"created_at_utc_B":1520733073,"score_A":93,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"I've been doing this for a long time, if that's the worst thing that happens to you, you're ahead of the game. * After a year or so, on the job, I was paired with a different Sr. Engineer, supposedly to be mentored by him. Unfortunately he had zero people skills and zero ability to delegate, so my job turned into being his lackey, doing exactly what he said, exactly how he wanted it done, which he may or may not have communicated to me. Any attempt to discuss my ideas or any deviation from doing exactly what he wanted was met with derision and being called \"incompetent\". Eventually, I lost my cool and called him out on his bullshit. We had a shouting match in the office, which landed us in our manager's office for \"dispute resolution\". In the end, I went to work for another Sr. Engineer and he got training in leadership and delegation. * I got called to a meeting in a VP's office where I was read the riot act and accused of not being a team player for refusing to sign a production approval for a product which did not pass our test requirements for safe transit. (Specifically, the package was unstable when stacked in the warehouse.) VP contacted my manager and his boss trying to get me fired. The VP himself signed in my place, overriding me. Subsequently several stacks of these products collapsed in the warehouse, causing several million $ in lost inventory and nearly killing one of the lift truck drivers. VP got fired for that one. * Getting laid off in 2009 when the market crashed and the auto industry nearly collapsed. NO ONE was hiring. I got a decent severance, but it was grim. The lead up was almost worse. I was working on some international projects, but they all got cancelled and\/or put on hold, then we had voluntary 2wk furloughs, then mandatory 2wk furloughs, then they started offering the old timers early retirement incentives and then they started offering buyouts to people with <10 yr with the company. That's when I got out. * Had a manager who called me an idiot in a team meeting because I didn't put two spaces after each sentence in a technical report. * The worst was my last job, where it was evidently OK for supervisors on the production floor to call up an engineer and greet them with, \"Hey asshole, you need to get out here, you fucked this design up and the line's stopped.\" Then it would turn out to be that production used the wrong part or fabrication made the part incorrectly. Engineers also were told that we would be working Saturdays \"until further notice\", which never happened. In the same job, I got praised in the morning team meeting for having \"the best run project in years\" and then not two hours later, called into his office with two other engineers where he yelled at and threatened to fire all three of us for stuff that had already been fixed on the same project. Shortly after that, I went on vacation for a week with my wife. My boss asked me to cancel to clean up the mess after a bunch of the fabrication machinery had broken down because the plant management was too cheap to pay for preventative maintenance and half the fabrication department had quit (These guys were on mandatory 82hr weeks, had been for months and there was no end in sight). I refused. My first day back, my boss sits down at my desk and starts ranting, telling me that I had to get my ass to the other plant 4 states away by the time they start Tuesday morning at 6:30 and throws in a lecture about how inconsiderate it was for me to go on vacation instead of just taking the payout for unused vacation at the end of the year. Unbeknownst to him, or anyone at the company, I had accepted a job offer with a different company and finalized the details while I was out. I had my letter of resignation in my bag. After his rampage, I waited until he was in a meeting and dropped my letter of resignation on his desk and gave one to the manager of HR, for good measure. Then I went out for a walk. Fuck that place. In the end though, the good stuff is still better.","human_ref_B":"Went to a funeral because somebody fucked up. 'Tweren't me, fortunately, but that's still a bad day at the office.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":476.0,"score_ratio":3.1} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvibvur","c_root_id_B":"dviac55","created_at_utc_A":1520733549,"created_at_utc_B":1520731569,"score_A":93,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"I've been doing this for a long time, if that's the worst thing that happens to you, you're ahead of the game. * After a year or so, on the job, I was paired with a different Sr. Engineer, supposedly to be mentored by him. Unfortunately he had zero people skills and zero ability to delegate, so my job turned into being his lackey, doing exactly what he said, exactly how he wanted it done, which he may or may not have communicated to me. Any attempt to discuss my ideas or any deviation from doing exactly what he wanted was met with derision and being called \"incompetent\". Eventually, I lost my cool and called him out on his bullshit. We had a shouting match in the office, which landed us in our manager's office for \"dispute resolution\". In the end, I went to work for another Sr. Engineer and he got training in leadership and delegation. * I got called to a meeting in a VP's office where I was read the riot act and accused of not being a team player for refusing to sign a production approval for a product which did not pass our test requirements for safe transit. (Specifically, the package was unstable when stacked in the warehouse.) VP contacted my manager and his boss trying to get me fired. The VP himself signed in my place, overriding me. Subsequently several stacks of these products collapsed in the warehouse, causing several million $ in lost inventory and nearly killing one of the lift truck drivers. VP got fired for that one. * Getting laid off in 2009 when the market crashed and the auto industry nearly collapsed. NO ONE was hiring. I got a decent severance, but it was grim. The lead up was almost worse. I was working on some international projects, but they all got cancelled and\/or put on hold, then we had voluntary 2wk furloughs, then mandatory 2wk furloughs, then they started offering the old timers early retirement incentives and then they started offering buyouts to people with <10 yr with the company. That's when I got out. * Had a manager who called me an idiot in a team meeting because I didn't put two spaces after each sentence in a technical report. * The worst was my last job, where it was evidently OK for supervisors on the production floor to call up an engineer and greet them with, \"Hey asshole, you need to get out here, you fucked this design up and the line's stopped.\" Then it would turn out to be that production used the wrong part or fabrication made the part incorrectly. Engineers also were told that we would be working Saturdays \"until further notice\", which never happened. In the same job, I got praised in the morning team meeting for having \"the best run project in years\" and then not two hours later, called into his office with two other engineers where he yelled at and threatened to fire all three of us for stuff that had already been fixed on the same project. Shortly after that, I went on vacation for a week with my wife. My boss asked me to cancel to clean up the mess after a bunch of the fabrication machinery had broken down because the plant management was too cheap to pay for preventative maintenance and half the fabrication department had quit (These guys were on mandatory 82hr weeks, had been for months and there was no end in sight). I refused. My first day back, my boss sits down at my desk and starts ranting, telling me that I had to get my ass to the other plant 4 states away by the time they start Tuesday morning at 6:30 and throws in a lecture about how inconsiderate it was for me to go on vacation instead of just taking the payout for unused vacation at the end of the year. Unbeknownst to him, or anyone at the company, I had accepted a job offer with a different company and finalized the details while I was out. I had my letter of resignation in my bag. After his rampage, I waited until he was in a meeting and dropped my letter of resignation on his desk and gave one to the manager of HR, for good measure. Then I went out for a walk. Fuck that place. In the end though, the good stuff is still better.","human_ref_B":"Not having a mentor. That's the root cause of years of lost salary, promotions, and learning. Edit: I should also point out that by \"mentor\", I don't mean just working with a senior engineer. You need honesty in that relationship, which means that they need to be able to tell you that you should consider switching teams or companies. Someone on your team can't do this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1980.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvi8rde","c_root_id_B":"dvibvur","created_at_utc_A":1520729625,"created_at_utc_B":1520733549,"score_A":11,"score_B":93,"human_ref_A":"The worst part in my job so far was dealing with subcontractors on the construction site. Man, that's one of a hellish thing to do :(","human_ref_B":"I've been doing this for a long time, if that's the worst thing that happens to you, you're ahead of the game. * After a year or so, on the job, I was paired with a different Sr. Engineer, supposedly to be mentored by him. Unfortunately he had zero people skills and zero ability to delegate, so my job turned into being his lackey, doing exactly what he said, exactly how he wanted it done, which he may or may not have communicated to me. Any attempt to discuss my ideas or any deviation from doing exactly what he wanted was met with derision and being called \"incompetent\". Eventually, I lost my cool and called him out on his bullshit. We had a shouting match in the office, which landed us in our manager's office for \"dispute resolution\". In the end, I went to work for another Sr. Engineer and he got training in leadership and delegation. * I got called to a meeting in a VP's office where I was read the riot act and accused of not being a team player for refusing to sign a production approval for a product which did not pass our test requirements for safe transit. (Specifically, the package was unstable when stacked in the warehouse.) VP contacted my manager and his boss trying to get me fired. The VP himself signed in my place, overriding me. Subsequently several stacks of these products collapsed in the warehouse, causing several million $ in lost inventory and nearly killing one of the lift truck drivers. VP got fired for that one. * Getting laid off in 2009 when the market crashed and the auto industry nearly collapsed. NO ONE was hiring. I got a decent severance, but it was grim. The lead up was almost worse. I was working on some international projects, but they all got cancelled and\/or put on hold, then we had voluntary 2wk furloughs, then mandatory 2wk furloughs, then they started offering the old timers early retirement incentives and then they started offering buyouts to people with <10 yr with the company. That's when I got out. * Had a manager who called me an idiot in a team meeting because I didn't put two spaces after each sentence in a technical report. * The worst was my last job, where it was evidently OK for supervisors on the production floor to call up an engineer and greet them with, \"Hey asshole, you need to get out here, you fucked this design up and the line's stopped.\" Then it would turn out to be that production used the wrong part or fabrication made the part incorrectly. Engineers also were told that we would be working Saturdays \"until further notice\", which never happened. In the same job, I got praised in the morning team meeting for having \"the best run project in years\" and then not two hours later, called into his office with two other engineers where he yelled at and threatened to fire all three of us for stuff that had already been fixed on the same project. Shortly after that, I went on vacation for a week with my wife. My boss asked me to cancel to clean up the mess after a bunch of the fabrication machinery had broken down because the plant management was too cheap to pay for preventative maintenance and half the fabrication department had quit (These guys were on mandatory 82hr weeks, had been for months and there was no end in sight). I refused. My first day back, my boss sits down at my desk and starts ranting, telling me that I had to get my ass to the other plant 4 states away by the time they start Tuesday morning at 6:30 and throws in a lecture about how inconsiderate it was for me to go on vacation instead of just taking the payout for unused vacation at the end of the year. Unbeknownst to him, or anyone at the company, I had accepted a job offer with a different company and finalized the details while I was out. I had my letter of resignation in my bag. After his rampage, I waited until he was in a meeting and dropped my letter of resignation on his desk and gave one to the manager of HR, for good measure. Then I went out for a walk. Fuck that place. In the end though, the good stuff is still better.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3924.0,"score_ratio":8.4545454545} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvibvur","c_root_id_B":"dvi5v65","created_at_utc_A":1520733549,"created_at_utc_B":1520726047,"score_A":93,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I've been doing this for a long time, if that's the worst thing that happens to you, you're ahead of the game. * After a year or so, on the job, I was paired with a different Sr. Engineer, supposedly to be mentored by him. Unfortunately he had zero people skills and zero ability to delegate, so my job turned into being his lackey, doing exactly what he said, exactly how he wanted it done, which he may or may not have communicated to me. Any attempt to discuss my ideas or any deviation from doing exactly what he wanted was met with derision and being called \"incompetent\". Eventually, I lost my cool and called him out on his bullshit. We had a shouting match in the office, which landed us in our manager's office for \"dispute resolution\". In the end, I went to work for another Sr. Engineer and he got training in leadership and delegation. * I got called to a meeting in a VP's office where I was read the riot act and accused of not being a team player for refusing to sign a production approval for a product which did not pass our test requirements for safe transit. (Specifically, the package was unstable when stacked in the warehouse.) VP contacted my manager and his boss trying to get me fired. The VP himself signed in my place, overriding me. Subsequently several stacks of these products collapsed in the warehouse, causing several million $ in lost inventory and nearly killing one of the lift truck drivers. VP got fired for that one. * Getting laid off in 2009 when the market crashed and the auto industry nearly collapsed. NO ONE was hiring. I got a decent severance, but it was grim. The lead up was almost worse. I was working on some international projects, but they all got cancelled and\/or put on hold, then we had voluntary 2wk furloughs, then mandatory 2wk furloughs, then they started offering the old timers early retirement incentives and then they started offering buyouts to people with <10 yr with the company. That's when I got out. * Had a manager who called me an idiot in a team meeting because I didn't put two spaces after each sentence in a technical report. * The worst was my last job, where it was evidently OK for supervisors on the production floor to call up an engineer and greet them with, \"Hey asshole, you need to get out here, you fucked this design up and the line's stopped.\" Then it would turn out to be that production used the wrong part or fabrication made the part incorrectly. Engineers also were told that we would be working Saturdays \"until further notice\", which never happened. In the same job, I got praised in the morning team meeting for having \"the best run project in years\" and then not two hours later, called into his office with two other engineers where he yelled at and threatened to fire all three of us for stuff that had already been fixed on the same project. Shortly after that, I went on vacation for a week with my wife. My boss asked me to cancel to clean up the mess after a bunch of the fabrication machinery had broken down because the plant management was too cheap to pay for preventative maintenance and half the fabrication department had quit (These guys were on mandatory 82hr weeks, had been for months and there was no end in sight). I refused. My first day back, my boss sits down at my desk and starts ranting, telling me that I had to get my ass to the other plant 4 states away by the time they start Tuesday morning at 6:30 and throws in a lecture about how inconsiderate it was for me to go on vacation instead of just taking the payout for unused vacation at the end of the year. Unbeknownst to him, or anyone at the company, I had accepted a job offer with a different company and finalized the details while I was out. I had my letter of resignation in my bag. After his rampage, I waited until he was in a meeting and dropped my letter of resignation on his desk and gave one to the manager of HR, for good measure. Then I went out for a walk. Fuck that place. In the end though, the good stuff is still better.","human_ref_B":"Having a project I spent over a year working on get cancelled. All those hours for (mostly) nothing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7502.0,"score_ratio":11.625} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvibvur","c_root_id_B":"dvi8oxy","created_at_utc_A":1520733549,"created_at_utc_B":1520729544,"score_A":93,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I've been doing this for a long time, if that's the worst thing that happens to you, you're ahead of the game. * After a year or so, on the job, I was paired with a different Sr. Engineer, supposedly to be mentored by him. Unfortunately he had zero people skills and zero ability to delegate, so my job turned into being his lackey, doing exactly what he said, exactly how he wanted it done, which he may or may not have communicated to me. Any attempt to discuss my ideas or any deviation from doing exactly what he wanted was met with derision and being called \"incompetent\". Eventually, I lost my cool and called him out on his bullshit. We had a shouting match in the office, which landed us in our manager's office for \"dispute resolution\". In the end, I went to work for another Sr. Engineer and he got training in leadership and delegation. * I got called to a meeting in a VP's office where I was read the riot act and accused of not being a team player for refusing to sign a production approval for a product which did not pass our test requirements for safe transit. (Specifically, the package was unstable when stacked in the warehouse.) VP contacted my manager and his boss trying to get me fired. The VP himself signed in my place, overriding me. Subsequently several stacks of these products collapsed in the warehouse, causing several million $ in lost inventory and nearly killing one of the lift truck drivers. VP got fired for that one. * Getting laid off in 2009 when the market crashed and the auto industry nearly collapsed. NO ONE was hiring. I got a decent severance, but it was grim. The lead up was almost worse. I was working on some international projects, but they all got cancelled and\/or put on hold, then we had voluntary 2wk furloughs, then mandatory 2wk furloughs, then they started offering the old timers early retirement incentives and then they started offering buyouts to people with <10 yr with the company. That's when I got out. * Had a manager who called me an idiot in a team meeting because I didn't put two spaces after each sentence in a technical report. * The worst was my last job, where it was evidently OK for supervisors on the production floor to call up an engineer and greet them with, \"Hey asshole, you need to get out here, you fucked this design up and the line's stopped.\" Then it would turn out to be that production used the wrong part or fabrication made the part incorrectly. Engineers also were told that we would be working Saturdays \"until further notice\", which never happened. In the same job, I got praised in the morning team meeting for having \"the best run project in years\" and then not two hours later, called into his office with two other engineers where he yelled at and threatened to fire all three of us for stuff that had already been fixed on the same project. Shortly after that, I went on vacation for a week with my wife. My boss asked me to cancel to clean up the mess after a bunch of the fabrication machinery had broken down because the plant management was too cheap to pay for preventative maintenance and half the fabrication department had quit (These guys were on mandatory 82hr weeks, had been for months and there was no end in sight). I refused. My first day back, my boss sits down at my desk and starts ranting, telling me that I had to get my ass to the other plant 4 states away by the time they start Tuesday morning at 6:30 and throws in a lecture about how inconsiderate it was for me to go on vacation instead of just taking the payout for unused vacation at the end of the year. Unbeknownst to him, or anyone at the company, I had accepted a job offer with a different company and finalized the details while I was out. I had my letter of resignation in my bag. After his rampage, I waited until he was in a meeting and dropped my letter of resignation on his desk and gave one to the manager of HR, for good measure. Then I went out for a walk. Fuck that place. In the end though, the good stuff is still better.","human_ref_B":"Well, since no hand tool is that accurate, wouldn\u2019t that just warrant a look at the machine and\/or part securing jig?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4005.0,"score_ratio":13.2857142857} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvi3xzs","c_root_id_B":"dvibvur","created_at_utc_A":1520723647,"created_at_utc_B":1520733549,"score_A":7,"score_B":93,"human_ref_A":"I haven't had any bad experiences professionally, but my lowest point was my first exam in CS201 Java. Got a 37% and very nearly dropped the class. Ended up grinding my way back up and getting a 3.0 in the class. I still think Java was one of the top 3 hardest classes I had to take for my EE degree.","human_ref_B":"I've been doing this for a long time, if that's the worst thing that happens to you, you're ahead of the game. * After a year or so, on the job, I was paired with a different Sr. Engineer, supposedly to be mentored by him. Unfortunately he had zero people skills and zero ability to delegate, so my job turned into being his lackey, doing exactly what he said, exactly how he wanted it done, which he may or may not have communicated to me. Any attempt to discuss my ideas or any deviation from doing exactly what he wanted was met with derision and being called \"incompetent\". Eventually, I lost my cool and called him out on his bullshit. We had a shouting match in the office, which landed us in our manager's office for \"dispute resolution\". In the end, I went to work for another Sr. Engineer and he got training in leadership and delegation. * I got called to a meeting in a VP's office where I was read the riot act and accused of not being a team player for refusing to sign a production approval for a product which did not pass our test requirements for safe transit. (Specifically, the package was unstable when stacked in the warehouse.) VP contacted my manager and his boss trying to get me fired. The VP himself signed in my place, overriding me. Subsequently several stacks of these products collapsed in the warehouse, causing several million $ in lost inventory and nearly killing one of the lift truck drivers. VP got fired for that one. * Getting laid off in 2009 when the market crashed and the auto industry nearly collapsed. NO ONE was hiring. I got a decent severance, but it was grim. The lead up was almost worse. I was working on some international projects, but they all got cancelled and\/or put on hold, then we had voluntary 2wk furloughs, then mandatory 2wk furloughs, then they started offering the old timers early retirement incentives and then they started offering buyouts to people with <10 yr with the company. That's when I got out. * Had a manager who called me an idiot in a team meeting because I didn't put two spaces after each sentence in a technical report. * The worst was my last job, where it was evidently OK for supervisors on the production floor to call up an engineer and greet them with, \"Hey asshole, you need to get out here, you fucked this design up and the line's stopped.\" Then it would turn out to be that production used the wrong part or fabrication made the part incorrectly. Engineers also were told that we would be working Saturdays \"until further notice\", which never happened. In the same job, I got praised in the morning team meeting for having \"the best run project in years\" and then not two hours later, called into his office with two other engineers where he yelled at and threatened to fire all three of us for stuff that had already been fixed on the same project. Shortly after that, I went on vacation for a week with my wife. My boss asked me to cancel to clean up the mess after a bunch of the fabrication machinery had broken down because the plant management was too cheap to pay for preventative maintenance and half the fabrication department had quit (These guys were on mandatory 82hr weeks, had been for months and there was no end in sight). I refused. My first day back, my boss sits down at my desk and starts ranting, telling me that I had to get my ass to the other plant 4 states away by the time they start Tuesday morning at 6:30 and throws in a lecture about how inconsiderate it was for me to go on vacation instead of just taking the payout for unused vacation at the end of the year. Unbeknownst to him, or anyone at the company, I had accepted a job offer with a different company and finalized the details while I was out. I had my letter of resignation in my bag. After his rampage, I waited until he was in a meeting and dropped my letter of resignation on his desk and gave one to the manager of HR, for good measure. Then I went out for a walk. Fuck that place. In the end though, the good stuff is still better.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9902.0,"score_ratio":13.2857142857} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvhvzja","c_root_id_B":"dvibvur","created_at_utc_A":1520714184,"created_at_utc_B":1520733549,"score_A":5,"score_B":93,"human_ref_A":"I was bullied by my manager for years because I\u2019m an engineer not a scientist working in wear testing and production scale up. It was unpleasant but I was young and didn\u2019t know any better.","human_ref_B":"I've been doing this for a long time, if that's the worst thing that happens to you, you're ahead of the game. * After a year or so, on the job, I was paired with a different Sr. Engineer, supposedly to be mentored by him. Unfortunately he had zero people skills and zero ability to delegate, so my job turned into being his lackey, doing exactly what he said, exactly how he wanted it done, which he may or may not have communicated to me. Any attempt to discuss my ideas or any deviation from doing exactly what he wanted was met with derision and being called \"incompetent\". Eventually, I lost my cool and called him out on his bullshit. We had a shouting match in the office, which landed us in our manager's office for \"dispute resolution\". In the end, I went to work for another Sr. Engineer and he got training in leadership and delegation. * I got called to a meeting in a VP's office where I was read the riot act and accused of not being a team player for refusing to sign a production approval for a product which did not pass our test requirements for safe transit. (Specifically, the package was unstable when stacked in the warehouse.) VP contacted my manager and his boss trying to get me fired. The VP himself signed in my place, overriding me. Subsequently several stacks of these products collapsed in the warehouse, causing several million $ in lost inventory and nearly killing one of the lift truck drivers. VP got fired for that one. * Getting laid off in 2009 when the market crashed and the auto industry nearly collapsed. NO ONE was hiring. I got a decent severance, but it was grim. The lead up was almost worse. I was working on some international projects, but they all got cancelled and\/or put on hold, then we had voluntary 2wk furloughs, then mandatory 2wk furloughs, then they started offering the old timers early retirement incentives and then they started offering buyouts to people with <10 yr with the company. That's when I got out. * Had a manager who called me an idiot in a team meeting because I didn't put two spaces after each sentence in a technical report. * The worst was my last job, where it was evidently OK for supervisors on the production floor to call up an engineer and greet them with, \"Hey asshole, you need to get out here, you fucked this design up and the line's stopped.\" Then it would turn out to be that production used the wrong part or fabrication made the part incorrectly. Engineers also were told that we would be working Saturdays \"until further notice\", which never happened. In the same job, I got praised in the morning team meeting for having \"the best run project in years\" and then not two hours later, called into his office with two other engineers where he yelled at and threatened to fire all three of us for stuff that had already been fixed on the same project. Shortly after that, I went on vacation for a week with my wife. My boss asked me to cancel to clean up the mess after a bunch of the fabrication machinery had broken down because the plant management was too cheap to pay for preventative maintenance and half the fabrication department had quit (These guys were on mandatory 82hr weeks, had been for months and there was no end in sight). I refused. My first day back, my boss sits down at my desk and starts ranting, telling me that I had to get my ass to the other plant 4 states away by the time they start Tuesday morning at 6:30 and throws in a lecture about how inconsiderate it was for me to go on vacation instead of just taking the payout for unused vacation at the end of the year. Unbeknownst to him, or anyone at the company, I had accepted a job offer with a different company and finalized the details while I was out. I had my letter of resignation in my bag. After his rampage, I waited until he was in a meeting and dropped my letter of resignation on his desk and gave one to the manager of HR, for good measure. Then I went out for a walk. Fuck that place. In the end though, the good stuff is still better.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19365.0,"score_ratio":18.6} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvhxvxv","c_root_id_B":"dvhwf3g","created_at_utc_A":1520716383,"created_at_utc_B":1520714677,"score_A":49,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"I got sent to a mine to help on a project I didn't design. On arrival the client expected things to be running in a week and I discovered that the design drawings did not match the factory wiring. I spent a month there basically completely redesigning the controls side of the project, working 90 hours a week, while the client was at maximum hostility to get the plant running asap. I was close to a breakdown quite a few times. And we had a new baby at home on the other side of the country.","human_ref_B":"Well what was the tolerance on the design?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1706.0,"score_ratio":1.0652173913} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvhxvxv","c_root_id_B":"dvhvzja","created_at_utc_A":1520716383,"created_at_utc_B":1520714184,"score_A":49,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I got sent to a mine to help on a project I didn't design. On arrival the client expected things to be running in a week and I discovered that the design drawings did not match the factory wiring. 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Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvi8rde","c_root_id_B":"dvi8oxy","created_at_utc_A":1520729625,"created_at_utc_B":1520729544,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"The worst part in my job so far was dealing with subcontractors on the construction site. Man, that's one of a hellish thing to do :(","human_ref_B":"Well, since no hand tool is that accurate, wouldn\u2019t that just warrant a look at the machine and\/or part securing jig?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":81.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvi8rde","c_root_id_B":"dvi3xzs","created_at_utc_A":1520729625,"created_at_utc_B":1520723647,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"The worst part in my job so far was dealing with subcontractors on the construction site. Man, that's one of a hellish thing to do :(","human_ref_B":"I haven't had any bad experiences professionally, but my lowest point was my first exam in CS201 Java. Got a 37% and very nearly dropped the class. Ended up grinding my way back up and getting a 3.0 in the class. I still think Java was one of the top 3 hardest classes I had to take for my EE degree.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5978.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvi8rde","c_root_id_B":"dvhvzja","created_at_utc_A":1520729625,"created_at_utc_B":1520714184,"score_A":11,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"The worst part in my job so far was dealing with subcontractors on the construction site. Man, that's one of a hellish thing to do :(","human_ref_B":"I was bullied by my manager for years because I\u2019m an engineer not a scientist working in wear testing and production scale up. It was unpleasant but I was young and didn\u2019t know any better.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15441.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvijymi","c_root_id_B":"dvi5v65","created_at_utc_A":1520744515,"created_at_utc_B":1520726047,"score_A":10,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Took a bath in Skydrol hydraulic fluid once. If you don\u2019t know what that is, it is hydraulic fluid used in a lot of airplanes because it is fire resistant. Burns your skin like a sunburn for a couple hours. Got it on my face etc. luckily I was wearing safety glasses so I didn\u2019t get it in my eyes directly.","human_ref_B":"Having a project I spent over a year working on get cancelled. All those hours for (mostly) nothing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18468.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvi5v65","c_root_id_B":"dvi3xzs","created_at_utc_A":1520726047,"created_at_utc_B":1520723647,"score_A":8,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Having a project I spent over a year working on get cancelled. All those hours for (mostly) nothing.","human_ref_B":"I haven't had any bad experiences professionally, but my lowest point was my first exam in CS201 Java. Got a 37% and very nearly dropped the class. Ended up grinding my way back up and getting a 3.0 in the class. I still think Java was one of the top 3 hardest classes I had to take for my EE degree.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2400.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvi5v65","c_root_id_B":"dvhvzja","created_at_utc_A":1520726047,"created_at_utc_B":1520714184,"score_A":8,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Having a project I spent over a year working on get cancelled. All those hours for (mostly) nothing.","human_ref_B":"I was bullied by my manager for years because I\u2019m an engineer not a scientist working in wear testing and production scale up. It was unpleasant but I was young and didn\u2019t know any better.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11863.0,"score_ratio":1.6} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvi8oxy","c_root_id_B":"dvijymi","created_at_utc_A":1520729544,"created_at_utc_B":1520744515,"score_A":7,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Well, since no hand tool is that accurate, wouldn\u2019t that just warrant a look at the machine and\/or part securing jig?","human_ref_B":"Took a bath in Skydrol hydraulic fluid once. If you don\u2019t know what that is, it is hydraulic fluid used in a lot of airplanes because it is fire resistant. Burns your skin like a sunburn for a couple hours. Got it on my face etc. luckily I was wearing safety glasses so I didn\u2019t get it in my eyes directly.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14971.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvijymi","c_root_id_B":"dvi3xzs","created_at_utc_A":1520744515,"created_at_utc_B":1520723647,"score_A":10,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Took a bath in Skydrol hydraulic fluid once. If you don\u2019t know what that is, it is hydraulic fluid used in a lot of airplanes because it is fire resistant. Burns your skin like a sunburn for a couple hours. Got it on my face etc. luckily I was wearing safety glasses so I didn\u2019t get it in my eyes directly.","human_ref_B":"I haven't had any bad experiences professionally, but my lowest point was my first exam in CS201 Java. Got a 37% and very nearly dropped the class. Ended up grinding my way back up and getting a 3.0 in the class. I still think Java was one of the top 3 hardest classes I had to take for my EE degree.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20868.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvijymi","c_root_id_B":"dvhvzja","created_at_utc_A":1520744515,"created_at_utc_B":1520714184,"score_A":10,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Took a bath in Skydrol hydraulic fluid once. If you don\u2019t know what that is, it is hydraulic fluid used in a lot of airplanes because it is fire resistant. Burns your skin like a sunburn for a couple hours. Got it on my face etc. luckily I was wearing safety glasses so I didn\u2019t get it in my eyes directly.","human_ref_B":"I was bullied by my manager for years because I\u2019m an engineer not a scientist working in wear testing and production scale up. It was unpleasant but I was young and didn\u2019t know any better.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":30331.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvi8oxy","c_root_id_B":"dvhvzja","created_at_utc_A":1520729544,"created_at_utc_B":1520714184,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Well, since no hand tool is that accurate, wouldn\u2019t that just warrant a look at the machine and\/or part securing jig?","human_ref_B":"I was bullied by my manager for years because I\u2019m an engineer not a scientist working in wear testing and production scale up. It was unpleasant but I was young and didn\u2019t know any better.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15360.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvinx5c","c_root_id_B":"dvhvzja","created_at_utc_A":1520751236,"created_at_utc_B":1520714184,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Despite doing several senior engineers' work for them, I had a manager refer to me as a \"stupid kid lucky to have a job\". Unfortunately, gas-lighting is a common technique of poor management, and you will encounter it often in the future.","human_ref_B":"I was bullied by my manager for years because I\u2019m an engineer not a scientist working in wear testing and production scale up. It was unpleasant but I was young and didn\u2019t know any better.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":37052.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvine51","c_root_id_B":"dvinx5c","created_at_utc_A":1520750226,"created_at_utc_B":1520751236,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"What is the context behind the hole being off? Was this created in CAD software and the position was just dropped in what looked like the right spot instead of dimensionally constrained? If so he could have been complaining not about the actual dimension but about the failure to use good modeling practices. As for the worst experience, it was when my employer was bought out by another company. They started laying people off and replacing management with people who knew nothing about the products. I was told to do massive amounts of work that literally was pointless but the new management wouldn\u2019t even speak to me for 5 minutes to let me explain why. I instead spent weeks putting together PowerPoints explaining things which each time they would say they didn\u2019t understand and they told me to revise it with more detail or more concise, or another contradictory term. They couldn\u2019t even be bothered to let me present the report and explain. The reason the report never was good was what they were asking me to present on was essentially a paradox. They told me to explain how to make X work but X literally didn\u2019t work and the project had been cancelled because it was proven that it didn\u2019t work. Yet they refused to look at any explanation of why it wouldn\u2019t work. They eventually told me i could keep my job if I moved to another state. I discussed it with my wife but explained that If I moved I would take the relocation allowance and work 2 years to avoid repaying but buy then I was going to quit. She didn\u2019t like the area so I turned down the offer and eventually was laid off even though i was the most senior engineer in the department and fully capable of working from the old office which was staying open. My end date was in the middle of mass production startup for one of my projects and just before mass production startup of another. I got part way through startup and then my last day came and In simply stopped working. They didn\u2019t even have a replacement hired to take over my projects. My manager didn\u2019t even realize HR laid me off until I told him. They blamed our office for low sales and when we explained it was because they laid off our sales team and replaced then with their people who didn\u2019t know the customers or products, they refused to hear excuses. It was a daily shitshow for over a year not knowing who was getting laid off next and what sort of job saving crap you would have to do to keep them happy.","human_ref_B":"Despite doing several senior engineers' work for them, I had a manager refer to me as a \"stupid kid lucky to have a job\". Unfortunately, gas-lighting is a common technique of poor management, and you will encounter it often in the future.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1010.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dvhvzja","c_root_id_B":"dvi3xzs","created_at_utc_A":1520714184,"created_at_utc_B":1520723647,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I was bullied by my manager for years because I\u2019m an engineer not a scientist working in wear testing and production scale up. It was unpleasant but I was young and didn\u2019t know any better.","human_ref_B":"I haven't had any bad experiences professionally, but my lowest point was my first exam in CS201 Java. Got a 37% and very nearly dropped the class. Ended up grinding my way back up and getting a 3.0 in the class. I still think Java was one of the top 3 hardest classes I had to take for my EE degree.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9463.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dviu7lq","c_root_id_B":"dviowmf","created_at_utc_A":1520766074,"created_at_utc_B":1520753269,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I had this one MSE professor who cuss a lot in class. After we took the first exam and the results were bad. He was mad and yelling at everyone. After discussing about the exam, he continued lecture on something then suddenly he said,\u201d if you guys don\u2019t understand this, get the fuck out of my class. If you don\u2019t know this people will die. Don\u2019t become an engineer. Go do something else with your life.\u201d \ud83e\udd37\ud83c\udffc\u200d\u2642\ufe0f","human_ref_B":"There is an interesting anecdote in \u2018Made in Japan\u2019, which is the story of Sony in its heyday. There the CEO says something interesting about the mindset of American manufacturing vs Japanese Manufacturing. He says that when a tolerance was mentioned, the error in the American goods would always be close to the tolerance limit and that the Japanese goods would have an error closer to zero. He prefers the Japanese approach obviously. This is not to take sides on what is better, by to illustrate the communication gap when one side wants something and two parties understand it differently. Maybe you should ask what he means.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12805.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"83hrab","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What's your worst experience as an engineer? Well I'm not an engineer yet, but my team and I got yelled in class by the professor because a hole was .01 inches off... He went insane and called us lazy and got upset.. Worst day of engineering school so far.","c_root_id_A":"dviowmf","c_root_id_B":"dvixq8z","created_at_utc_A":1520753269,"created_at_utc_B":1520774067,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"There is an interesting anecdote in \u2018Made in Japan\u2019, which is the story of Sony in its heyday. There the CEO says something interesting about the mindset of American manufacturing vs Japanese Manufacturing. He says that when a tolerance was mentioned, the error in the American goods would always be close to the tolerance limit and that the Japanese goods would have an error closer to zero. He prefers the Japanese approach obviously. This is not to take sides on what is better, by to illustrate the communication gap when one side wants something and two parties understand it differently. Maybe you should ask what he means.","human_ref_B":"A little over a year at a previous job, I had become \"the guy that can fix it when no one else could\/would\". This turned into administration writing me up for not fixing something that was never communicated to me. I wrote everything down everyday and showed them how many problems they didn't know about. Obviously they didn't like that, but continued to pin things on me when I was never told about it. One day I said fuck it and left because I accepted a job offer. The owner of the company came to me and asked why I was leaving and I said a better opportunity came along. He offered a $5k\/yr boost in pay. Then I told him I accepted a job offer which gave me a $17k\/yr boost in pay. Then he obviously was like, (well fuck it) \"ok, bye\". I loved what I did, and got a living wage from it, but god damn the people sucked.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20798.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"9wgn5e","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"I'm a burned out ME and I'm leaving a startup that I'm very important at. How do I do this without burning bridges? I'm located in CA, working in industrial automation. I graduated this past May but I've been working at a hardware startup full-time since January. I'm the only mechanical engineer here, but my role is a bit broader than that of a traditional engineer. My boss is self-funding and wants to build his MVP with just 3 members (where I\u2019m the only technical member) and I\u2019m coming to the realization that a lot of these projects are way too big for a single recently-graduated engineer to tackle. I\u2019ve brought this to his attention, creating more realistic project time\/cost estimates, but it\u2019s falling on deaf ears. I've also been seeking outside mentorship, but it's proving difficult without a solid network. I\u2019m already dead-set on leaving. I\u2019m burned out as hell and overwhelmed to the point where my mental health is declining. When I leave, there will be a pretty huge documentation gap for the next person (if they exist). There\u2019s also no way I\u2019ll be able to hand off this project in just the 2 weeks\u2019 notice I plan on giving. For these reasons, I think it\u2019s really likely that this move will tank the company, which I don\u2019t feel guilty about because I\u2019m covering my ass and doing what I need to be happy. But I have some worries\u2026 Is it possible to leave on good terms with my boss? I can spin the work I did here as useful, but how will future employers view this experience? I want to be as professional as possible. Thanks for taking the time to read!","c_root_id_A":"e9l6541","c_root_id_B":"e9l9eop","created_at_utc_A":1542068322,"created_at_utc_B":1542071354,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"When I left my first job it was because I was getting married and my fianc\u00e9e had moved a state away over a year ago already. I told them I would be leaving but wasn\u2019t sure when exactly but i would keep them in the loop. I still needed to find a job, sell my house, etc, and was in no rush for 6-8 months. I ended up leaving around 6 months and they knew 100% over a month out. I was transitioned off long projects and finished short ones. Unless you need to keep it quiet until you have a new job, and if you are willing to take some risk to not burn bridges, tell them you will be leaving but want to give them some time to find a replacement. You can stick around for a month or so until they can hire a new guy and give him a crash course.","human_ref_B":"I can speak with experience. I have been a part of a few startups and in one we had our CTO\/ only other engineer (I'm an engineer) walk away in month 10 due to a family death. I mean you'll probably \"burn bridges\" but it's a 3 person company so it's not like you are burning Boeing publicly and setting yourself up to never work in the industry again. It sounds like if the founders are non-technical they have unrealistic ideas on what is possible with a singular engineer especially a fresh graduate. If you're communicating it clearly than I would say the onus was on them, if you want to leave friendly you can give them more than 2 weeks and note that you'll only work 40 hours or whatever the last few weeks and it's more of a data-dump\/QA than finishing objectives. You could also set yourself up to have open a contract period where you would do X hours a month or a week to help do a data download or train your replacement. I did that when I left to start my first startup. ​ Also in my experience it probably won't kill them (or won't be the sole reason). While you may feel the center of teh world and timing engineers are engineers and I'm sure they may learn the hard lesson and spend double the money next time to get a mid career engineer who is capable of what they ask or has enough clout and push back to say no. best of luck, feel free to PM me we are LA based and I know a few companies hiring that are non-startups.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3032.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"t9ri7u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"How important are cover letters when applying for engineering jobs? I\u2019m graduating this spring and I\u2019m wondering if cover letters are as important in a more technical field like engineering. I know in some ways they can set you apart from other applicants but I was hoping to get some insight into if they\u2019re more of an added bonus or a necessity.","c_root_id_A":"hzwb1i3","c_root_id_B":"hzwban2","created_at_utc_A":1646778500,"created_at_utc_B":1646778610,"score_A":99,"score_B":141,"human_ref_A":"As a hiring manager... If I receive a cover letter then I read it. If I don't receive one it doesn't bother me BUT if the CV \/ resume doesn't tie well with the job then a well written cover letter can go a long way. I should add that the last part only applies to relatively junior positions where there is some slack that can be given as you tend to be hiring the person rather than the experience and knowledge.","human_ref_B":"I'm on the interviewer side of this. A full cover letter is unnecessary, but an Objective section is helpful when someone is trying to branch out from their prior experience. For example if I get a resume for a software position and this person only has testing experience on their resume I'll think they misunderstood the job. But if their objective is something like \"move into software development\" then it makes sense.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":110.0,"score_ratio":1.4242424242} +{"post_id":"t9ri7u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"How important are cover letters when applying for engineering jobs? I\u2019m graduating this spring and I\u2019m wondering if cover letters are as important in a more technical field like engineering. I know in some ways they can set you apart from other applicants but I was hoping to get some insight into if they\u2019re more of an added bonus or a necessity.","c_root_id_A":"hzwarto","c_root_id_B":"hzwban2","created_at_utc_A":1646778381,"created_at_utc_B":1646778610,"score_A":17,"score_B":141,"human_ref_A":"To me they alway seem redundant and unnecessary. Perhaps, if you were someone who has credentials that are abnormal for the position applied for and believe further context for the application is needed, it may be helpful. Edit: What a coincidence that I called it *redundant and unnecessary* when those words share the same meaning. I will leave it unchanged and soak in the humility.","human_ref_B":"I'm on the interviewer side of this. A full cover letter is unnecessary, but an Objective section is helpful when someone is trying to branch out from their prior experience. For example if I get a resume for a software position and this person only has testing experience on their resume I'll think they misunderstood the job. But if their objective is something like \"move into software development\" then it makes sense.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":229.0,"score_ratio":8.2941176471} +{"post_id":"t9ri7u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"How important are cover letters when applying for engineering jobs? I\u2019m graduating this spring and I\u2019m wondering if cover letters are as important in a more technical field like engineering. I know in some ways they can set you apart from other applicants but I was hoping to get some insight into if they\u2019re more of an added bonus or a necessity.","c_root_id_A":"hzwban2","c_root_id_B":"hzw9f5d","created_at_utc_A":1646778610,"created_at_utc_B":1646777707,"score_A":141,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I'm on the interviewer side of this. A full cover letter is unnecessary, but an Objective section is helpful when someone is trying to branch out from their prior experience. For example if I get a resume for a software position and this person only has testing experience on their resume I'll think they misunderstood the job. But if their objective is something like \"move into software development\" then it makes sense.","human_ref_B":"Ive never seen an instance where it was genuinely necessary, or asked for. If you have a reference list I've seen that help more than a cover letter. People that can validate you did well in a respective technically relevant way\/experience .","labels":1,"seconds_difference":903.0,"score_ratio":70.5} +{"post_id":"t9ri7u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"How important are cover letters when applying for engineering jobs? I\u2019m graduating this spring and I\u2019m wondering if cover letters are as important in a more technical field like engineering. I know in some ways they can set you apart from other applicants but I was hoping to get some insight into if they\u2019re more of an added bonus or a necessity.","c_root_id_A":"hzwarto","c_root_id_B":"hzwb1i3","created_at_utc_A":1646778381,"created_at_utc_B":1646778500,"score_A":17,"score_B":99,"human_ref_A":"To me they alway seem redundant and unnecessary. 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Here\u2019s the advice I received from my mom when I was applying \u201ceveryone going into an interview has qualified on the basis of their experience. If your resume or yourself is in front of the hiring manager, at that point they are deciding if you\u2019re a person they want to trust and work together with 8 hours a day. That\u2019s what they\u2019re looking for\u201d Now remote work is a little different but the concept is the same. You want to be the one that people WANT to work with. This takes extra effort (since will want to work with people who are willing to put in the extra effort). Hope that makes sense. If you write a cover letter, try to humanize yourself and tell a story.","human_ref_B":"I decided some time ago that saving time but not writing a cover letter and applying to 3 times as many jobs was a much better way to go about it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12971.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"t9ri7u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"How important are cover letters when applying for engineering jobs? I\u2019m graduating this spring and I\u2019m wondering if cover letters are as important in a more technical field like engineering. I know in some ways they can set you apart from other applicants but I was hoping to get some insight into if they\u2019re more of an added bonus or a necessity.","c_root_id_A":"hzx53gu","c_root_id_B":"hzxf3su","created_at_utc_A":1646791833,"created_at_utc_B":1646796429,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I learned that big companies use a program to sift through the resume stack. It will be more lilely to pick up your skills if you have the section title formatted as an actual Title in word. Not just making your font bold and larger. The program can more easily identify where your skills start and return them to the program user. This could help solve issues of no replies from big companies. This way the program won't skip over you due to inproper formatting.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a hiring manager. Your cover letter showcases your ability to be interesting, compelling, and convey technical information. No cover letter, no consideration. Here\u2019s the advice I received from my mom when I was applying \u201ceveryone going into an interview has qualified on the basis of their experience. If your resume or yourself is in front of the hiring manager, at that point they are deciding if you\u2019re a person they want to trust and work together with 8 hours a day. That\u2019s what they\u2019re looking for\u201d Now remote work is a little different but the concept is the same. You want to be the one that people WANT to work with. This takes extra effort (since will want to work with people who are willing to put in the extra effort). Hope that makes sense. If you write a cover letter, try to humanize yourself and tell a story.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4596.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"t9ri7u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"How important are cover letters when applying for engineering jobs? I\u2019m graduating this spring and I\u2019m wondering if cover letters are as important in a more technical field like engineering. I know in some ways they can set you apart from other applicants but I was hoping to get some insight into if they\u2019re more of an added bonus or a necessity.","c_root_id_A":"hzx8e4a","c_root_id_B":"hzxf3su","created_at_utc_A":1646793304,"created_at_utc_B":1646796429,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"They are good for personal contacts or references from someone you know. Why do you want *this* job and how do your skills help the company? It\u2019s fine if you do it via an email. Once you\u2019re in the workforce a lot of your jobs will be through personal contacts. All of my great jobs certainly were. If you\u2019re submitting through some software it will most likely get stripped.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a hiring manager. Your cover letter showcases your ability to be interesting, compelling, and convey technical information. No cover letter, no consideration. Here\u2019s the advice I received from my mom when I was applying \u201ceveryone going into an interview has qualified on the basis of their experience. If your resume or yourself is in front of the hiring manager, at that point they are deciding if you\u2019re a person they want to trust and work together with 8 hours a day. That\u2019s what they\u2019re looking for\u201d Now remote work is a little different but the concept is the same. You want to be the one that people WANT to work with. This takes extra effort (since will want to work with people who are willing to put in the extra effort). Hope that makes sense. If you write a cover letter, try to humanize yourself and tell a story.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3125.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"t9ri7u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"How important are cover letters when applying for engineering jobs? I\u2019m graduating this spring and I\u2019m wondering if cover letters are as important in a more technical field like engineering. I know in some ways they can set you apart from other applicants but I was hoping to get some insight into if they\u2019re more of an added bonus or a necessity.","c_root_id_A":"hzw9f5d","c_root_id_B":"hzwmofm","created_at_utc_A":1646777707,"created_at_utc_B":1646783514,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Ive never seen an instance where it was genuinely necessary, or asked for. If you have a reference list I've seen that help more than a cover letter. People that can validate you did well in a respective technically relevant way\/experience .","human_ref_B":"Used the same cover letter and just swapped out the company name each time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5807.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"t9ri7u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"How important are cover letters when applying for engineering jobs? I\u2019m graduating this spring and I\u2019m wondering if cover letters are as important in a more technical field like engineering. I know in some ways they can set you apart from other applicants but I was hoping to get some insight into if they\u2019re more of an added bonus or a necessity.","c_root_id_A":"hzwmk1b","c_root_id_B":"hzwmofm","created_at_utc_A":1646783458,"created_at_utc_B":1646783514,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I decided some time ago that saving time but not writing a cover letter and applying to 3 times as many jobs was a much better way to go about it.","human_ref_B":"Used the same cover letter and just swapped out the company name each time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":56.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"t9ri7u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"How important are cover letters when applying for engineering jobs? I\u2019m graduating this spring and I\u2019m wondering if cover letters are as important in a more technical field like engineering. I know in some ways they can set you apart from other applicants but I was hoping to get some insight into if they\u2019re more of an added bonus or a necessity.","c_root_id_A":"hzx3w9k","c_root_id_B":"hzw9f5d","created_at_utc_A":1646791300,"created_at_utc_B":1646777707,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Fuck cover letters. Waste of my time","human_ref_B":"Ive never seen an instance where it was genuinely necessary, or asked for. If you have a reference list I've seen that help more than a cover letter. People that can validate you did well in a respective technically relevant way\/experience .","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13593.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"t9ri7u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"How important are cover letters when applying for engineering jobs? I\u2019m graduating this spring and I\u2019m wondering if cover letters are as important in a more technical field like engineering. I know in some ways they can set you apart from other applicants but I was hoping to get some insight into if they\u2019re more of an added bonus or a necessity.","c_root_id_A":"hzwmk1b","c_root_id_B":"hzx3w9k","created_at_utc_A":1646783458,"created_at_utc_B":1646791300,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I decided some time ago that saving time but not writing a cover letter and applying to 3 times as many jobs was a much better way to go about it.","human_ref_B":"Fuck cover letters. Waste of my time","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7842.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"sr9cqt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Missed a interview over not checking my email for a day. Tried to email to follow up no response. Anything I can do?","c_root_id_A":"hwqlqgm","c_root_id_B":"hwrvanm","created_at_utc_A":1644726546,"created_at_utc_B":1644758003,"score_A":7,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Try replying to the email to set up an interview at a convenient time. Might not be in person but instead over zoom that\u2019s cool. If the email is a no reply they email the contact from the career fair.","human_ref_B":"WHEN did you email them? Was it over the weekend or late Friday? If they reply at all, it won't be till Monday. If they don't reply by Tuesday, just move on. Missed opportunity and hopefully lesson learned.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":31457.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} +{"post_id":"sr9cqt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Missed a interview over not checking my email for a day. Tried to email to follow up no response. Anything I can do?","c_root_id_A":"hwqom1b","c_root_id_B":"hwrvanm","created_at_utc_A":1644728098,"created_at_utc_B":1644758003,"score_A":3,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m assuming this was for entry levels at a recruiting event?","human_ref_B":"WHEN did you email them? Was it over the weekend or late Friday? If they reply at all, it won't be till Monday. If they don't reply by Tuesday, just move on. Missed opportunity and hopefully lesson learned.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29905.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667} +{"post_id":"sr9cqt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Missed a interview over not checking my email for a day. Tried to email to follow up no response. Anything I can do?","c_root_id_A":"hwsbn8w","c_root_id_B":"hwqom1b","created_at_utc_A":1644766130,"created_at_utc_B":1644728098,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Honestly no. I have been a recruiter in the career day setti mg before. You apply, you get sent that auto generated email with your time slot and then we interview candidates over 15-30 min time slots the entire day. The event has come and gone if you are still interested I\u2019d be going through the companies actual website and job postings. This recruiting team is either back at work or an another campus doing it all over again.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m assuming this was for entry levels at a recruiting event?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":38032.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"7w2wl0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you respond to \"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?\" I have an interview tomorrow and that's a pretty common question it sounds like. It's for an internship, but do I want to make it sound like I'm going to still be with the company? I was gonna be pretty arbitrary and say I want to work at a large aerospace company do analysis work. Something along those lines.","c_root_id_A":"dtx6u3s","c_root_id_B":"dtxbkld","created_at_utc_A":1518076494,"created_at_utc_B":1518088258,"score_A":35,"score_B":102,"human_ref_A":"\u201cMaking your Company Money\u201d \ud83d\udc48\ud83d\ude0e\ud83d\udc48","human_ref_B":"\"Selling your secrets to your competitors after a blazing row where your tried to stiff me on a promotion\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11764.0,"score_ratio":2.9142857143} +{"post_id":"7w2wl0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you respond to \"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?\" I have an interview tomorrow and that's a pretty common question it sounds like. It's for an internship, but do I want to make it sound like I'm going to still be with the company? I was gonna be pretty arbitrary and say I want to work at a large aerospace company do analysis work. Something along those lines.","c_root_id_A":"dtxbkld","c_root_id_B":"dtx77j9","created_at_utc_A":1518088258,"created_at_utc_B":1518077329,"score_A":102,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"\"Selling your secrets to your competitors after a blazing row where your tried to stiff me on a promotion\"","human_ref_B":"\"In a mirror.\" Gotta let them know who they are dealing with","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10929.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667} +{"post_id":"7w2wl0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you respond to \"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?\" I have an interview tomorrow and that's a pretty common question it sounds like. It's for an internship, but do I want to make it sound like I'm going to still be with the company? I was gonna be pretty arbitrary and say I want to work at a large aerospace company do analysis work. Something along those lines.","c_root_id_A":"dtxbkld","c_root_id_B":"dtx80yy","created_at_utc_A":1518088258,"created_at_utc_B":1518079236,"score_A":102,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"\"Selling your secrets to your competitors after a blazing row where your tried to stiff me on a promotion\"","human_ref_B":"\"Sitting in your chair\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9022.0,"score_ratio":10.2} +{"post_id":"7w2wl0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you respond to \"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?\" I have an interview tomorrow and that's a pretty common question it sounds like. It's for an internship, but do I want to make it sound like I'm going to still be with the company? I was gonna be pretty arbitrary and say I want to work at a large aerospace company do analysis work. Something along those lines.","c_root_id_A":"dtxbkld","c_root_id_B":"dtxa35v","created_at_utc_A":1518088258,"created_at_utc_B":1518084508,"score_A":102,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"\"Selling your secrets to your competitors after a blazing row where your tried to stiff me on a promotion\"","human_ref_B":"\"As your boss.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3750.0,"score_ratio":17.0} +{"post_id":"7w2wl0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you respond to \"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?\" I have an interview tomorrow and that's a pretty common question it sounds like. It's for an internship, but do I want to make it sound like I'm going to still be with the company? I was gonna be pretty arbitrary and say I want to work at a large aerospace company do analysis work. Something along those lines.","c_root_id_A":"dtxbkld","c_root_id_B":"dtx86h6","created_at_utc_A":1518088258,"created_at_utc_B":1518079601,"score_A":102,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"\"Selling your secrets to your competitors after a blazing row where your tried to stiff me on a promotion\"","human_ref_B":"Livin' in your house homes. With your crack ass buried under the front porch.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8657.0,"score_ratio":34.0} +{"post_id":"7w2wl0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you respond to \"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?\" I have an interview tomorrow and that's a pretty common question it sounds like. It's for an internship, but do I want to make it sound like I'm going to still be with the company? I was gonna be pretty arbitrary and say I want to work at a large aerospace company do analysis work. Something along those lines.","c_root_id_A":"dtxbymm","c_root_id_B":"dtxgqj0","created_at_utc_A":1518089182,"created_at_utc_B":1518097602,"score_A":28,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"Honestly, this is such a dumb question for people early in their careers. Your answer is fine, but deliver it with confidence and be ready for the follow ups. They are, \u201cwell why not [this thing you hate doing and is only tangentially related to the job]?\u201d, \u201cwhy not managing a bunch of nitwits?\u201d, and \u201chave you thought about [insert what they really want you for]\u201d This isn\u2019t as much a question in itself as a springboard to follow up questions. Prep for those, too.","human_ref_B":"It may not be wise to say * I plan to get an MBA using your tuition reimbursement plan, then jump to a competitor for a 30% raise * My long term plan is to become an assistant professor on the tenure track, but the universities I've applied to have told me \"not this year\". So I need a job until I can join the faculty somewhere * I want to become a patent agent (or patent lawyer) but I think it best to get a few years of industry experience before law school. Also I want to save money for tuition. * My wife has two more years to go in medical school and then we're moving back to Sitka, Alaska (her home town) where she will join her father's practice.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8420.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"7w2wl0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you respond to \"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?\" I have an interview tomorrow and that's a pretty common question it sounds like. It's for an internship, but do I want to make it sound like I'm going to still be with the company? I was gonna be pretty arbitrary and say I want to work at a large aerospace company do analysis work. Something along those lines.","c_root_id_A":"dtxgqj0","c_root_id_B":"dtxdu5s","created_at_utc_A":1518097602,"created_at_utc_B":1518093096,"score_A":35,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"It may not be wise to say * I plan to get an MBA using your tuition reimbursement plan, then jump to a competitor for a 30% raise * My long term plan is to become an assistant professor on the tenure track, but the universities I've applied to have told me \"not this year\". So I need a job until I can join the faculty somewhere * I want to become a patent agent (or patent lawyer) but I think it best to get a few years of industry experience before law school. Also I want to save money for tuition. * My wife has two more years to go in medical school and then we're moving back to Sitka, Alaska (her home town) where she will join her father's practice.","human_ref_B":"The trick is to ask this question first - \"Where do you see me in 5 years?\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4506.0,"score_ratio":1.3461538462} +{"post_id":"7w2wl0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you respond to \"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?\" I have an interview tomorrow and that's a pretty common question it sounds like. It's for an internship, but do I want to make it sound like I'm going to still be with the company? I was gonna be pretty arbitrary and say I want to work at a large aerospace company do analysis work. Something along those lines.","c_root_id_A":"dtx77j9","c_root_id_B":"dtxgqj0","created_at_utc_A":1518077329,"created_at_utc_B":1518097602,"score_A":18,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"\"In a mirror.\" Gotta let them know who they are dealing with","human_ref_B":"It may not be wise to say * I plan to get an MBA using your tuition reimbursement plan, then jump to a competitor for a 30% raise * My long term plan is to become an assistant professor on the tenure track, but the universities I've applied to have told me \"not this year\". So I need a job until I can join the faculty somewhere * I want to become a patent agent (or patent lawyer) but I think it best to get a few years of industry experience before law school. Also I want to save money for tuition. * My wife has two more years to go in medical school and then we're moving back to Sitka, Alaska (her home town) where she will join her father's practice.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20273.0,"score_ratio":1.9444444444} +{"post_id":"7w2wl0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you respond to \"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?\" I have an interview tomorrow and that's a pretty common question it sounds like. It's for an internship, but do I want to make it sound like I'm going to still be with the company? I was gonna be pretty arbitrary and say I want to work at a large aerospace company do analysis work. Something along those lines.","c_root_id_A":"dtx80yy","c_root_id_B":"dtxgqj0","created_at_utc_A":1518079236,"created_at_utc_B":1518097602,"score_A":10,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"\"Sitting in your chair\"","human_ref_B":"It may not be wise to say * I plan to get an MBA using your tuition reimbursement plan, then jump to a competitor for a 30% raise * My long term plan is to become an assistant professor on the tenure track, but the universities I've applied to have told me \"not this year\". So I need a job until I can join the faculty somewhere * I want to become a patent agent (or patent lawyer) but I think it best to get a few years of industry experience before law school. Also I want to save money for tuition. * My wife has two more years to go in medical school and then we're moving back to Sitka, Alaska (her home town) where she will join her father's practice.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18366.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"7w2wl0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you respond to \"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?\" I have an interview tomorrow and that's a pretty common question it sounds like. It's for an internship, but do I want to make it sound like I'm going to still be with the company? I was gonna be pretty arbitrary and say I want to work at a large aerospace company do analysis work. Something along those lines.","c_root_id_A":"dtxgqj0","c_root_id_B":"dtxa35v","created_at_utc_A":1518097602,"created_at_utc_B":1518084508,"score_A":35,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"It may not be wise to say * I plan to get an MBA using your tuition reimbursement plan, then jump to a competitor for a 30% raise * My long term plan is to become an assistant professor on the tenure track, but the universities I've applied to have told me \"not this year\". So I need a job until I can join the faculty somewhere * I want to become a patent agent (or patent lawyer) but I think it best to get a few years of industry experience before law school. Also I want to save money for tuition. * My wife has two more years to go in medical school and then we're moving back to Sitka, Alaska (her home town) where she will join her father's practice.","human_ref_B":"\"As your boss.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13094.0,"score_ratio":5.8333333333} +{"post_id":"7w2wl0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you respond to \"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?\" I have an interview tomorrow and that's a pretty common question it sounds like. It's for an internship, but do I want to make it sound like I'm going to still be with the company? I was gonna be pretty arbitrary and say I want to work at a large aerospace company do analysis work. Something along those lines.","c_root_id_A":"dtxfc0x","c_root_id_B":"dtxgqj0","created_at_utc_A":1518095577,"created_at_utc_B":1518097602,"score_A":7,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"\"How do we define self? We're constantly gaining and losing molecules. Majority of our cells have died and been replaced by new cells in 5 years. Our consciousness is turned off and turned back on every time we go to sleep. Are you the same as the self that went to bed last night, or are you just a brand new being with memories of your past selves?\"","human_ref_B":"It may not be wise to say * I plan to get an MBA using your tuition reimbursement plan, then jump to a competitor for a 30% raise * My long term plan is to become an assistant professor on the tenure track, but the universities I've applied to have told me \"not this year\". So I need a job until I can join the faculty somewhere * I want to become a patent agent (or patent lawyer) but I think it best to get a few years of industry experience before law school. Also I want to save money for tuition. * My wife has two more years to go in medical school and then we're moving back to Sitka, Alaska (her home town) where she will join her father's practice.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2025.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"7w2wl0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you respond to \"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?\" I have an interview tomorrow and that's a pretty common question it sounds like. It's for an internship, but do I want to make it sound like I'm going to still be with the company? I was gonna be pretty arbitrary and say I want to work at a large aerospace company do analysis work. 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Also I want to save money for tuition. * My wife has two more years to go in medical school and then we're moving back to Sitka, Alaska (her home town) where she will join her father's practice.","human_ref_B":"I once said something like, \" I will be working in a job that I don't like and consumes me each day, driving a car as a sign of my social status, living in a tasteless apartment that I supposed to live, with a someone I could only see a couple hours of day because I am obliged to.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4714.0,"score_ratio":7.0} +{"post_id":"7w2wl0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you respond to \"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?\" I have an interview tomorrow and that's a pretty common question it sounds like. It's for an internship, but do I want to make it sound like I'm going to still be with the company? I was gonna be pretty arbitrary and say I want to work at a large aerospace company do analysis work. 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With your crack ass buried under the front porch.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18001.0,"score_ratio":11.6666666667} +{"post_id":"7w2wl0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you respond to \"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?\" I have an interview tomorrow and that's a pretty common question it sounds like. It's for an internship, but do I want to make it sound like I'm going to still be with the company? I was gonna be pretty arbitrary and say I want to work at a large aerospace company do analysis work. Something along those lines.","c_root_id_A":"dtxbymm","c_root_id_B":"dtx77j9","created_at_utc_A":1518089182,"created_at_utc_B":1518077329,"score_A":28,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"Honestly, this is such a dumb question for people early in their careers. Your answer is fine, but deliver it with confidence and be ready for the follow ups. 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They really liked that, and it's 100% true because I feel pretty retarded every day just figuring stuff out here lol.","human_ref_B":"not too hard of a question. do you want ot be a manager? do you still want to be with the company? get your PE license? masters degree? Start your own business? Patent a design? Solve a common problem w\/ society? Map out a plan, and dont just go to work for a paycheck. Write down paths, and contengency plans in case they fail. Set short-term goals that lead you to that long term goal. Ive just started doing this, and i sure as hell wish Id started earlier.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11041.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"7w2wl0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you respond to \"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?\" I have an interview tomorrow and that's a pretty common question it sounds like. It's for an internship, but do I want to make it sound like I'm going to still be with the company? 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I was gonna be pretty arbitrary and say I want to work at a large aerospace company do analysis work. Something along those lines.","c_root_id_A":"dtxymv8","c_root_id_B":"dtxrme8","created_at_utc_A":1518114783,"created_at_utc_B":1518108850,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"5 years closer to retirement. But seriously though, when I got asked a similar question (would you prefer the management track or engineering specialist track) I rephrased it as \"I know I can be a great leader because of my extracurricular involvement, however, being so early in my career I want to focus the next 5-7 years on just being a great engineer and learning from the best. After that maybe I'll be closer to choosing a specific direction in my career\". They really liked that, and it's 100% true because I feel pretty retarded every day just figuring stuff out here lol.","human_ref_B":"Perfect response is saying that you would be getting your PE license. It usually takes 4 year of work experience post your EIT exam to take the PE exam. It shows you have commitment to your career and that you do have a motivation to learn and perform well. Plus, it fits into the time frame of 5 years into the future.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5933.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"fw88bl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How do I communicate to my team that mechanical engineering isn't a quick and simple task? Hi, I work for a small start-up company working on some very interesting stuff in the field of air and space. There's about 8 people not including the board and operations\/HR. I'm the only mechanical engineer, and work on air, space and ground equipment, so the job couldn't be broader. There's also an electrical\/electronics engineer, controls guy, physics guy, project manager. I expected that the tasks would be challenging when I took the job. I expected that I'd need to put in long hours. My concern is not the workload; it's that what is expected of me is off by an order of magnitude or more. There is a detailed design review in less than 6 weeks, for a mechanical assembly. There are a few challenges; - It needs to perform better and be lighter and perform in a harsher environment than the best available COTS items. - It's got to also hold dozens of electronic and electrical components whose interfaces are not defined. - They want it designed, manufactured and tested in the next four months (from blank slate). It seems they already decided on a material and a geometry before I got here; the problem is that they are set on building it out of a shit material, and a concept geometry they have their hearts set on is ridiculous, and the interface to the platform is undefined. - They want it mounted unconventionally to an airborne platform, in a way which I can find has never been demonstrated, and have already decided it will be a cakewalk to do. The task isn't impossible, but when I told them that a regular company would have a team, and probably 6 months to a year to develop this, and a different concept, my comments were dismissed, e.g. \"It's only a...\", \"it's not as complicated as a ...\". And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". It's precisely as if their vague opinions or ideas or cigarette packet drawings have as much weight as my analysis. Yet I have to constantly introduce terms like 'fatigue', 'strain', 'FMEA', 'modal analysis' and 'structural rigidity'. The funniest part is a plan for the mechanical design, CAD and analysis of a space structure to take 1 week, and the mechanical design, CAD and analysis for an airborne structure to take the following week. I want half a year, not 2 weeks. How do I effectively show that I know what I'm doing; communicate that the system will take longer than they have planned, and the system will need to be much different to what they envisaged?","c_root_id_A":"fmmtfdd","c_root_id_B":"fmmtjh6","created_at_utc_A":1586211737,"created_at_utc_B":1586211799,"score_A":149,"score_B":254,"human_ref_A":"Instead of trying to say how long it will take to get what they want, tell them what they will get for the time they have. If the timeline is fixed (which often they are) manage what outputs they can expect and just say they won\u2019t get everything they want for the timeframe given.","human_ref_B":"You don't. You accept that you've hitched your wagon to one of the start-ups that will fail.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":62.0,"score_ratio":1.7046979866} +{"post_id":"fw88bl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How do I communicate to my team that mechanical engineering isn't a quick and simple task? Hi, I work for a small start-up company working on some very interesting stuff in the field of air and space. There's about 8 people not including the board and operations\/HR. I'm the only mechanical engineer, and work on air, space and ground equipment, so the job couldn't be broader. There's also an electrical\/electronics engineer, controls guy, physics guy, project manager. I expected that the tasks would be challenging when I took the job. I expected that I'd need to put in long hours. My concern is not the workload; it's that what is expected of me is off by an order of magnitude or more. There is a detailed design review in less than 6 weeks, for a mechanical assembly. There are a few challenges; - It needs to perform better and be lighter and perform in a harsher environment than the best available COTS items. - It's got to also hold dozens of electronic and electrical components whose interfaces are not defined. - They want it designed, manufactured and tested in the next four months (from blank slate). It seems they already decided on a material and a geometry before I got here; the problem is that they are set on building it out of a shit material, and a concept geometry they have their hearts set on is ridiculous, and the interface to the platform is undefined. - They want it mounted unconventionally to an airborne platform, in a way which I can find has never been demonstrated, and have already decided it will be a cakewalk to do. The task isn't impossible, but when I told them that a regular company would have a team, and probably 6 months to a year to develop this, and a different concept, my comments were dismissed, e.g. \"It's only a...\", \"it's not as complicated as a ...\". And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". It's precisely as if their vague opinions or ideas or cigarette packet drawings have as much weight as my analysis. Yet I have to constantly introduce terms like 'fatigue', 'strain', 'FMEA', 'modal analysis' and 'structural rigidity'. The funniest part is a plan for the mechanical design, CAD and analysis of a space structure to take 1 week, and the mechanical design, CAD and analysis for an airborne structure to take the following week. I want half a year, not 2 weeks. How do I effectively show that I know what I'm doing; communicate that the system will take longer than they have planned, and the system will need to be much different to what they envisaged?","c_root_id_A":"fmmw7ir","c_root_id_B":"fmmvp5u","created_at_utc_A":1586213261,"created_at_utc_B":1586212987,"score_A":18,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Current lead mechanical engineer at a sensor startup. I know your pain, in some ways at least. You need to quantify things for the rest of the team -- what will they get in the timeline they've set, what timeline is required to get critical aspects of the design right, what does a vague project plan look like. Set expectations now. It sounds like you don't have an SME leading this effort, which is basically a recipe for failure if the team is going to be working off half-assed guesses. It certainly doesn't sound like the team has adequately prepared for the development risks on the mechanical side, are they in a similar place in all the other areas? Building shitty technology that doesn't work may get you to another round of funding faster but it won't get your product to market and it will require even more capital to redo all of it down the road. you're not going to get it 100% right the first time, but it should be 100% functional.","human_ref_B":"Make a cube with a lot of holes to hold boxes and define the interface for the boxes. Put the electronic in the boxes, and let them decide the interface there. Done \ud83d\ude02. Set a schedule for yourself, and be pragmatic on what do you use your time on. Don't use your time to redefine the wheel. And whenever you can, run away from there.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":274.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"fw88bl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How do I communicate to my team that mechanical engineering isn't a quick and simple task? Hi, I work for a small start-up company working on some very interesting stuff in the field of air and space. There's about 8 people not including the board and operations\/HR. I'm the only mechanical engineer, and work on air, space and ground equipment, so the job couldn't be broader. There's also an electrical\/electronics engineer, controls guy, physics guy, project manager. I expected that the tasks would be challenging when I took the job. I expected that I'd need to put in long hours. My concern is not the workload; it's that what is expected of me is off by an order of magnitude or more. There is a detailed design review in less than 6 weeks, for a mechanical assembly. There are a few challenges; - It needs to perform better and be lighter and perform in a harsher environment than the best available COTS items. - It's got to also hold dozens of electronic and electrical components whose interfaces are not defined. - They want it designed, manufactured and tested in the next four months (from blank slate). It seems they already decided on a material and a geometry before I got here; the problem is that they are set on building it out of a shit material, and a concept geometry they have their hearts set on is ridiculous, and the interface to the platform is undefined. - They want it mounted unconventionally to an airborne platform, in a way which I can find has never been demonstrated, and have already decided it will be a cakewalk to do. The task isn't impossible, but when I told them that a regular company would have a team, and probably 6 months to a year to develop this, and a different concept, my comments were dismissed, e.g. \"It's only a...\", \"it's not as complicated as a ...\". And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". It's precisely as if their vague opinions or ideas or cigarette packet drawings have as much weight as my analysis. Yet I have to constantly introduce terms like 'fatigue', 'strain', 'FMEA', 'modal analysis' and 'structural rigidity'. The funniest part is a plan for the mechanical design, CAD and analysis of a space structure to take 1 week, and the mechanical design, CAD and analysis for an airborne structure to take the following week. I want half a year, not 2 weeks. How do I effectively show that I know what I'm doing; communicate that the system will take longer than they have planned, and the system will need to be much different to what they envisaged?","c_root_id_A":"fmngz8p","c_root_id_B":"fmmvp5u","created_at_utc_A":1586225836,"created_at_utc_B":1586212987,"score_A":15,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019ll appreciate this: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg","human_ref_B":"Make a cube with a lot of holes to hold boxes and define the interface for the boxes. Put the electronic in the boxes, and let them decide the interface there. Done \ud83d\ude02. Set a schedule for yourself, and be pragmatic on what do you use your time on. Don't use your time to redefine the wheel. And whenever you can, run away from there.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12849.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"fw88bl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How do I communicate to my team that mechanical engineering isn't a quick and simple task? Hi, I work for a small start-up company working on some very interesting stuff in the field of air and space. There's about 8 people not including the board and operations\/HR. I'm the only mechanical engineer, and work on air, space and ground equipment, so the job couldn't be broader. There's also an electrical\/electronics engineer, controls guy, physics guy, project manager. I expected that the tasks would be challenging when I took the job. I expected that I'd need to put in long hours. My concern is not the workload; it's that what is expected of me is off by an order of magnitude or more. There is a detailed design review in less than 6 weeks, for a mechanical assembly. There are a few challenges; - It needs to perform better and be lighter and perform in a harsher environment than the best available COTS items. - It's got to also hold dozens of electronic and electrical components whose interfaces are not defined. - They want it designed, manufactured and tested in the next four months (from blank slate). It seems they already decided on a material and a geometry before I got here; the problem is that they are set on building it out of a shit material, and a concept geometry they have their hearts set on is ridiculous, and the interface to the platform is undefined. - They want it mounted unconventionally to an airborne platform, in a way which I can find has never been demonstrated, and have already decided it will be a cakewalk to do. The task isn't impossible, but when I told them that a regular company would have a team, and probably 6 months to a year to develop this, and a different concept, my comments were dismissed, e.g. \"It's only a...\", \"it's not as complicated as a ...\". And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". It's precisely as if their vague opinions or ideas or cigarette packet drawings have as much weight as my analysis. Yet I have to constantly introduce terms like 'fatigue', 'strain', 'FMEA', 'modal analysis' and 'structural rigidity'. The funniest part is a plan for the mechanical design, CAD and analysis of a space structure to take 1 week, and the mechanical design, CAD and analysis for an airborne structure to take the following week. I want half a year, not 2 weeks. How do I effectively show that I know what I'm doing; communicate that the system will take longer than they have planned, and the system will need to be much different to what they envisaged?","c_root_id_A":"fmngz8p","c_root_id_B":"fmmz4ge","created_at_utc_A":1586225836,"created_at_utc_B":1586214858,"score_A":15,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019ll appreciate this: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg","human_ref_B":"EVTOL?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10978.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"fw88bl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How do I communicate to my team that mechanical engineering isn't a quick and simple task? Hi, I work for a small start-up company working on some very interesting stuff in the field of air and space. There's about 8 people not including the board and operations\/HR. I'm the only mechanical engineer, and work on air, space and ground equipment, so the job couldn't be broader. There's also an electrical\/electronics engineer, controls guy, physics guy, project manager. I expected that the tasks would be challenging when I took the job. I expected that I'd need to put in long hours. My concern is not the workload; it's that what is expected of me is off by an order of magnitude or more. There is a detailed design review in less than 6 weeks, for a mechanical assembly. There are a few challenges; - It needs to perform better and be lighter and perform in a harsher environment than the best available COTS items. - It's got to also hold dozens of electronic and electrical components whose interfaces are not defined. - They want it designed, manufactured and tested in the next four months (from blank slate). It seems they already decided on a material and a geometry before I got here; the problem is that they are set on building it out of a shit material, and a concept geometry they have their hearts set on is ridiculous, and the interface to the platform is undefined. - They want it mounted unconventionally to an airborne platform, in a way which I can find has never been demonstrated, and have already decided it will be a cakewalk to do. The task isn't impossible, but when I told them that a regular company would have a team, and probably 6 months to a year to develop this, and a different concept, my comments were dismissed, e.g. \"It's only a...\", \"it's not as complicated as a ...\". And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". It's precisely as if their vague opinions or ideas or cigarette packet drawings have as much weight as my analysis. Yet I have to constantly introduce terms like 'fatigue', 'strain', 'FMEA', 'modal analysis' and 'structural rigidity'. The funniest part is a plan for the mechanical design, CAD and analysis of a space structure to take 1 week, and the mechanical design, CAD and analysis for an airborne structure to take the following week. I want half a year, not 2 weeks. How do I effectively show that I know what I'm doing; communicate that the system will take longer than they have planned, and the system will need to be much different to what they envisaged?","c_root_id_A":"fmnhyav","c_root_id_B":"fmo2w2m","created_at_utc_A":1586226468,"created_at_utc_B":1586243404,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"At some point you need to lay down the law. If you got hired on as the expert in your field (mechanical engineering) then you need to open your mouth and tell them either their goals are not realistic or their timeline isn't realistic, or both. This might not go over very well, and might force your hand to look for a new job, but ultimately you get them to understand the realities you are telling them, or you need to get the fuck out. I would actually suggest you handle this with the most senior members of the company, not every employee.","human_ref_B":"I'll just note one thing, although I don't know how much it relates to you: >And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". If this is true, and if the production model will be substantially different, then they may have some valid points. I once worked on some surveillance stuff for aircraft. The test model was twice as big as a desktop computer and weighed 40lbs. The final product was going to be about the size of a freaking gopro. So yeah, the mounting system for it didn't really matter. We got some rough estimates for drag at max flight speed, combined that with the weight, and made some ugly ass brackets that could withstand that plus a safety factor of like 4, which is super high in aircraft. Cuz it really didn't matter, they just needed to get it in the air to show proof of concept.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16936.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"fw88bl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How do I communicate to my team that mechanical engineering isn't a quick and simple task? Hi, I work for a small start-up company working on some very interesting stuff in the field of air and space. There's about 8 people not including the board and operations\/HR. I'm the only mechanical engineer, and work on air, space and ground equipment, so the job couldn't be broader. There's also an electrical\/electronics engineer, controls guy, physics guy, project manager. I expected that the tasks would be challenging when I took the job. I expected that I'd need to put in long hours. My concern is not the workload; it's that what is expected of me is off by an order of magnitude or more. There is a detailed design review in less than 6 weeks, for a mechanical assembly. There are a few challenges; - It needs to perform better and be lighter and perform in a harsher environment than the best available COTS items. - It's got to also hold dozens of electronic and electrical components whose interfaces are not defined. - They want it designed, manufactured and tested in the next four months (from blank slate). It seems they already decided on a material and a geometry before I got here; the problem is that they are set on building it out of a shit material, and a concept geometry they have their hearts set on is ridiculous, and the interface to the platform is undefined. - They want it mounted unconventionally to an airborne platform, in a way which I can find has never been demonstrated, and have already decided it will be a cakewalk to do. The task isn't impossible, but when I told them that a regular company would have a team, and probably 6 months to a year to develop this, and a different concept, my comments were dismissed, e.g. \"It's only a...\", \"it's not as complicated as a ...\". And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". It's precisely as if their vague opinions or ideas or cigarette packet drawings have as much weight as my analysis. Yet I have to constantly introduce terms like 'fatigue', 'strain', 'FMEA', 'modal analysis' and 'structural rigidity'. The funniest part is a plan for the mechanical design, CAD and analysis of a space structure to take 1 week, and the mechanical design, CAD and analysis for an airborne structure to take the following week. I want half a year, not 2 weeks. How do I effectively show that I know what I'm doing; communicate that the system will take longer than they have planned, and the system will need to be much different to what they envisaged?","c_root_id_A":"fmnhyav","c_root_id_B":"fmmz4ge","created_at_utc_A":1586226468,"created_at_utc_B":1586214858,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"At some point you need to lay down the law. If you got hired on as the expert in your field (mechanical engineering) then you need to open your mouth and tell them either their goals are not realistic or their timeline isn't realistic, or both. This might not go over very well, and might force your hand to look for a new job, but ultimately you get them to understand the realities you are telling them, or you need to get the fuck out. I would actually suggest you handle this with the most senior members of the company, not every employee.","human_ref_B":"EVTOL?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11610.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"fw88bl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How do I communicate to my team that mechanical engineering isn't a quick and simple task? Hi, I work for a small start-up company working on some very interesting stuff in the field of air and space. There's about 8 people not including the board and operations\/HR. I'm the only mechanical engineer, and work on air, space and ground equipment, so the job couldn't be broader. There's also an electrical\/electronics engineer, controls guy, physics guy, project manager. I expected that the tasks would be challenging when I took the job. I expected that I'd need to put in long hours. My concern is not the workload; it's that what is expected of me is off by an order of magnitude or more. There is a detailed design review in less than 6 weeks, for a mechanical assembly. There are a few challenges; - It needs to perform better and be lighter and perform in a harsher environment than the best available COTS items. - It's got to also hold dozens of electronic and electrical components whose interfaces are not defined. - They want it designed, manufactured and tested in the next four months (from blank slate). It seems they already decided on a material and a geometry before I got here; the problem is that they are set on building it out of a shit material, and a concept geometry they have their hearts set on is ridiculous, and the interface to the platform is undefined. - They want it mounted unconventionally to an airborne platform, in a way which I can find has never been demonstrated, and have already decided it will be a cakewalk to do. The task isn't impossible, but when I told them that a regular company would have a team, and probably 6 months to a year to develop this, and a different concept, my comments were dismissed, e.g. \"It's only a...\", \"it's not as complicated as a ...\". And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". It's precisely as if their vague opinions or ideas or cigarette packet drawings have as much weight as my analysis. Yet I have to constantly introduce terms like 'fatigue', 'strain', 'FMEA', 'modal analysis' and 'structural rigidity'. The funniest part is a plan for the mechanical design, CAD and analysis of a space structure to take 1 week, and the mechanical design, CAD and analysis for an airborne structure to take the following week. I want half a year, not 2 weeks. How do I effectively show that I know what I'm doing; communicate that the system will take longer than they have planned, and the system will need to be much different to what they envisaged?","c_root_id_A":"fmnjgcl","c_root_id_B":"fmo2w2m","created_at_utc_A":1586227470,"created_at_utc_B":1586243404,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Startups are all about producing a shoddy first product. It's a race to make some kind of revenue so the company doesn't die. If you can't do a good job, tell them what they'll get with the time given and they'll likely accept it as anything is better than nothing (which is why they hired you, as they had nothing). Startups are constantly about working miracles with not enough time and not enough money just so you can get to a \"minimum viable product\" (or in other words a a \"shitty as possible product full of lies about the future and hot air\") as soon as you can. You can for example sacrifice long term durability as if the product lasts longer than the company will last then it doesn't matter (long as it doesn't kill someone and get a criminal case against the founders and you).","human_ref_B":"I'll just note one thing, although I don't know how much it relates to you: >And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". If this is true, and if the production model will be substantially different, then they may have some valid points. I once worked on some surveillance stuff for aircraft. The test model was twice as big as a desktop computer and weighed 40lbs. The final product was going to be about the size of a freaking gopro. So yeah, the mounting system for it didn't really matter. We got some rough estimates for drag at max flight speed, combined that with the weight, and made some ugly ass brackets that could withstand that plus a safety factor of like 4, which is super high in aircraft. Cuz it really didn't matter, they just needed to get it in the air to show proof of concept.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15934.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"fw88bl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How do I communicate to my team that mechanical engineering isn't a quick and simple task? Hi, I work for a small start-up company working on some very interesting stuff in the field of air and space. There's about 8 people not including the board and operations\/HR. I'm the only mechanical engineer, and work on air, space and ground equipment, so the job couldn't be broader. There's also an electrical\/electronics engineer, controls guy, physics guy, project manager. I expected that the tasks would be challenging when I took the job. I expected that I'd need to put in long hours. My concern is not the workload; it's that what is expected of me is off by an order of magnitude or more. There is a detailed design review in less than 6 weeks, for a mechanical assembly. There are a few challenges; - It needs to perform better and be lighter and perform in a harsher environment than the best available COTS items. - It's got to also hold dozens of electronic and electrical components whose interfaces are not defined. - They want it designed, manufactured and tested in the next four months (from blank slate). It seems they already decided on a material and a geometry before I got here; the problem is that they are set on building it out of a shit material, and a concept geometry they have their hearts set on is ridiculous, and the interface to the platform is undefined. - They want it mounted unconventionally to an airborne platform, in a way which I can find has never been demonstrated, and have already decided it will be a cakewalk to do. The task isn't impossible, but when I told them that a regular company would have a team, and probably 6 months to a year to develop this, and a different concept, my comments were dismissed, e.g. \"It's only a...\", \"it's not as complicated as a ...\". And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". It's precisely as if their vague opinions or ideas or cigarette packet drawings have as much weight as my analysis. Yet I have to constantly introduce terms like 'fatigue', 'strain', 'FMEA', 'modal analysis' and 'structural rigidity'. The funniest part is a plan for the mechanical design, CAD and analysis of a space structure to take 1 week, and the mechanical design, CAD and analysis for an airborne structure to take the following week. I want half a year, not 2 weeks. How do I effectively show that I know what I'm doing; communicate that the system will take longer than they have planned, and the system will need to be much different to what they envisaged?","c_root_id_A":"fmnzzlw","c_root_id_B":"fmo2w2m","created_at_utc_A":1586240527,"created_at_utc_B":1586243404,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"A guy in this subreddit said it very nicely once. \"They are not tall enough for this ride\"","human_ref_B":"I'll just note one thing, although I don't know how much it relates to you: >And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". If this is true, and if the production model will be substantially different, then they may have some valid points. I once worked on some surveillance stuff for aircraft. The test model was twice as big as a desktop computer and weighed 40lbs. The final product was going to be about the size of a freaking gopro. So yeah, the mounting system for it didn't really matter. We got some rough estimates for drag at max flight speed, combined that with the weight, and made some ugly ass brackets that could withstand that plus a safety factor of like 4, which is super high in aircraft. Cuz it really didn't matter, they just needed to get it in the air to show proof of concept.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2877.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"fw88bl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How do I communicate to my team that mechanical engineering isn't a quick and simple task? Hi, I work for a small start-up company working on some very interesting stuff in the field of air and space. There's about 8 people not including the board and operations\/HR. I'm the only mechanical engineer, and work on air, space and ground equipment, so the job couldn't be broader. There's also an electrical\/electronics engineer, controls guy, physics guy, project manager. I expected that the tasks would be challenging when I took the job. I expected that I'd need to put in long hours. My concern is not the workload; it's that what is expected of me is off by an order of magnitude or more. There is a detailed design review in less than 6 weeks, for a mechanical assembly. There are a few challenges; - It needs to perform better and be lighter and perform in a harsher environment than the best available COTS items. - It's got to also hold dozens of electronic and electrical components whose interfaces are not defined. - They want it designed, manufactured and tested in the next four months (from blank slate). It seems they already decided on a material and a geometry before I got here; the problem is that they are set on building it out of a shit material, and a concept geometry they have their hearts set on is ridiculous, and the interface to the platform is undefined. - They want it mounted unconventionally to an airborne platform, in a way which I can find has never been demonstrated, and have already decided it will be a cakewalk to do. The task isn't impossible, but when I told them that a regular company would have a team, and probably 6 months to a year to develop this, and a different concept, my comments were dismissed, e.g. \"It's only a...\", \"it's not as complicated as a ...\". And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". It's precisely as if their vague opinions or ideas or cigarette packet drawings have as much weight as my analysis. Yet I have to constantly introduce terms like 'fatigue', 'strain', 'FMEA', 'modal analysis' and 'structural rigidity'. The funniest part is a plan for the mechanical design, CAD and analysis of a space structure to take 1 week, and the mechanical design, CAD and analysis for an airborne structure to take the following week. I want half a year, not 2 weeks. How do I effectively show that I know what I'm doing; communicate that the system will take longer than they have planned, and the system will need to be much different to what they envisaged?","c_root_id_A":"fmmz4ge","c_root_id_B":"fmo2w2m","created_at_utc_A":1586214858,"created_at_utc_B":1586243404,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"EVTOL?","human_ref_B":"I'll just note one thing, although I don't know how much it relates to you: >And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". If this is true, and if the production model will be substantially different, then they may have some valid points. I once worked on some surveillance stuff for aircraft. The test model was twice as big as a desktop computer and weighed 40lbs. The final product was going to be about the size of a freaking gopro. So yeah, the mounting system for it didn't really matter. We got some rough estimates for drag at max flight speed, combined that with the weight, and made some ugly ass brackets that could withstand that plus a safety factor of like 4, which is super high in aircraft. Cuz it really didn't matter, they just needed to get it in the air to show proof of concept.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":28546.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"fw88bl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How do I communicate to my team that mechanical engineering isn't a quick and simple task? Hi, I work for a small start-up company working on some very interesting stuff in the field of air and space. There's about 8 people not including the board and operations\/HR. I'm the only mechanical engineer, and work on air, space and ground equipment, so the job couldn't be broader. There's also an electrical\/electronics engineer, controls guy, physics guy, project manager. I expected that the tasks would be challenging when I took the job. I expected that I'd need to put in long hours. My concern is not the workload; it's that what is expected of me is off by an order of magnitude or more. There is a detailed design review in less than 6 weeks, for a mechanical assembly. There are a few challenges; - It needs to perform better and be lighter and perform in a harsher environment than the best available COTS items. - It's got to also hold dozens of electronic and electrical components whose interfaces are not defined. - They want it designed, manufactured and tested in the next four months (from blank slate). It seems they already decided on a material and a geometry before I got here; the problem is that they are set on building it out of a shit material, and a concept geometry they have their hearts set on is ridiculous, and the interface to the platform is undefined. - They want it mounted unconventionally to an airborne platform, in a way which I can find has never been demonstrated, and have already decided it will be a cakewalk to do. The task isn't impossible, but when I told them that a regular company would have a team, and probably 6 months to a year to develop this, and a different concept, my comments were dismissed, e.g. \"It's only a...\", \"it's not as complicated as a ...\". And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". It's precisely as if their vague opinions or ideas or cigarette packet drawings have as much weight as my analysis. Yet I have to constantly introduce terms like 'fatigue', 'strain', 'FMEA', 'modal analysis' and 'structural rigidity'. The funniest part is a plan for the mechanical design, CAD and analysis of a space structure to take 1 week, and the mechanical design, CAD and analysis for an airborne structure to take the following week. I want half a year, not 2 weeks. How do I effectively show that I know what I'm doing; communicate that the system will take longer than they have planned, and the system will need to be much different to what they envisaged?","c_root_id_A":"fmnn1xv","c_root_id_B":"fmo2w2m","created_at_utc_A":1586229956,"created_at_utc_B":1586243404,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Yep. Look at them blankly... Point at the door and say there's two options. That's if you really care about the project. Most product cycles take a bit of time. Automotive takes on the scale of a year to years. Aerospace, from what I've heard, has engineers working half a career on a single project if they stick around that long.","human_ref_B":"I'll just note one thing, although I don't know how much it relates to you: >And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". If this is true, and if the production model will be substantially different, then they may have some valid points. I once worked on some surveillance stuff for aircraft. The test model was twice as big as a desktop computer and weighed 40lbs. The final product was going to be about the size of a freaking gopro. So yeah, the mounting system for it didn't really matter. We got some rough estimates for drag at max flight speed, combined that with the weight, and made some ugly ass brackets that could withstand that plus a safety factor of like 4, which is super high in aircraft. Cuz it really didn't matter, they just needed to get it in the air to show proof of concept.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13448.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"fw88bl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How do I communicate to my team that mechanical engineering isn't a quick and simple task? Hi, I work for a small start-up company working on some very interesting stuff in the field of air and space. There's about 8 people not including the board and operations\/HR. I'm the only mechanical engineer, and work on air, space and ground equipment, so the job couldn't be broader. There's also an electrical\/electronics engineer, controls guy, physics guy, project manager. I expected that the tasks would be challenging when I took the job. I expected that I'd need to put in long hours. My concern is not the workload; it's that what is expected of me is off by an order of magnitude or more. There is a detailed design review in less than 6 weeks, for a mechanical assembly. There are a few challenges; - It needs to perform better and be lighter and perform in a harsher environment than the best available COTS items. - It's got to also hold dozens of electronic and electrical components whose interfaces are not defined. - They want it designed, manufactured and tested in the next four months (from blank slate). It seems they already decided on a material and a geometry before I got here; the problem is that they are set on building it out of a shit material, and a concept geometry they have their hearts set on is ridiculous, and the interface to the platform is undefined. - They want it mounted unconventionally to an airborne platform, in a way which I can find has never been demonstrated, and have already decided it will be a cakewalk to do. The task isn't impossible, but when I told them that a regular company would have a team, and probably 6 months to a year to develop this, and a different concept, my comments were dismissed, e.g. \"It's only a...\", \"it's not as complicated as a ...\". And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". It's precisely as if their vague opinions or ideas or cigarette packet drawings have as much weight as my analysis. Yet I have to constantly introduce terms like 'fatigue', 'strain', 'FMEA', 'modal analysis' and 'structural rigidity'. The funniest part is a plan for the mechanical design, CAD and analysis of a space structure to take 1 week, and the mechanical design, CAD and analysis for an airborne structure to take the following week. I want half a year, not 2 weeks. How do I effectively show that I know what I'm doing; communicate that the system will take longer than they have planned, and the system will need to be much different to what they envisaged?","c_root_id_A":"fmmz4ge","c_root_id_B":"fmnjgcl","created_at_utc_A":1586214858,"created_at_utc_B":1586227470,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"EVTOL?","human_ref_B":"Startups are all about producing a shoddy first product. It's a race to make some kind of revenue so the company doesn't die. If you can't do a good job, tell them what they'll get with the time given and they'll likely accept it as anything is better than nothing (which is why they hired you, as they had nothing). Startups are constantly about working miracles with not enough time and not enough money just so you can get to a \"minimum viable product\" (or in other words a a \"shitty as possible product full of lies about the future and hot air\") as soon as you can. You can for example sacrifice long term durability as if the product lasts longer than the company will last then it doesn't matter (long as it doesn't kill someone and get a criminal case against the founders and you).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12612.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"fw88bl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How do I communicate to my team that mechanical engineering isn't a quick and simple task? Hi, I work for a small start-up company working on some very interesting stuff in the field of air and space. There's about 8 people not including the board and operations\/HR. I'm the only mechanical engineer, and work on air, space and ground equipment, so the job couldn't be broader. There's also an electrical\/electronics engineer, controls guy, physics guy, project manager. I expected that the tasks would be challenging when I took the job. I expected that I'd need to put in long hours. My concern is not the workload; it's that what is expected of me is off by an order of magnitude or more. There is a detailed design review in less than 6 weeks, for a mechanical assembly. There are a few challenges; - It needs to perform better and be lighter and perform in a harsher environment than the best available COTS items. - It's got to also hold dozens of electronic and electrical components whose interfaces are not defined. - They want it designed, manufactured and tested in the next four months (from blank slate). It seems they already decided on a material and a geometry before I got here; the problem is that they are set on building it out of a shit material, and a concept geometry they have their hearts set on is ridiculous, and the interface to the platform is undefined. - They want it mounted unconventionally to an airborne platform, in a way which I can find has never been demonstrated, and have already decided it will be a cakewalk to do. The task isn't impossible, but when I told them that a regular company would have a team, and probably 6 months to a year to develop this, and a different concept, my comments were dismissed, e.g. \"It's only a...\", \"it's not as complicated as a ...\". And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". It's precisely as if their vague opinions or ideas or cigarette packet drawings have as much weight as my analysis. Yet I have to constantly introduce terms like 'fatigue', 'strain', 'FMEA', 'modal analysis' and 'structural rigidity'. The funniest part is a plan for the mechanical design, CAD and analysis of a space structure to take 1 week, and the mechanical design, CAD and analysis for an airborne structure to take the following week. I want half a year, not 2 weeks. How do I effectively show that I know what I'm doing; communicate that the system will take longer than they have planned, and the system will need to be much different to what they envisaged?","c_root_id_A":"fmmz4ge","c_root_id_B":"fmnzzlw","created_at_utc_A":1586214858,"created_at_utc_B":1586240527,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"EVTOL?","human_ref_B":"A guy in this subreddit said it very nicely once. \"They are not tall enough for this ride\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25669.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"fw88bl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How do I communicate to my team that mechanical engineering isn't a quick and simple task? Hi, I work for a small start-up company working on some very interesting stuff in the field of air and space. There's about 8 people not including the board and operations\/HR. I'm the only mechanical engineer, and work on air, space and ground equipment, so the job couldn't be broader. There's also an electrical\/electronics engineer, controls guy, physics guy, project manager. I expected that the tasks would be challenging when I took the job. I expected that I'd need to put in long hours. My concern is not the workload; it's that what is expected of me is off by an order of magnitude or more. There is a detailed design review in less than 6 weeks, for a mechanical assembly. There are a few challenges; - It needs to perform better and be lighter and perform in a harsher environment than the best available COTS items. - It's got to also hold dozens of electronic and electrical components whose interfaces are not defined. - They want it designed, manufactured and tested in the next four months (from blank slate). It seems they already decided on a material and a geometry before I got here; the problem is that they are set on building it out of a shit material, and a concept geometry they have their hearts set on is ridiculous, and the interface to the platform is undefined. - They want it mounted unconventionally to an airborne platform, in a way which I can find has never been demonstrated, and have already decided it will be a cakewalk to do. The task isn't impossible, but when I told them that a regular company would have a team, and probably 6 months to a year to develop this, and a different concept, my comments were dismissed, e.g. \"It's only a...\", \"it's not as complicated as a ...\". And repeatedly \"it's just a development model, not a production model\". It's precisely as if their vague opinions or ideas or cigarette packet drawings have as much weight as my analysis. Yet I have to constantly introduce terms like 'fatigue', 'strain', 'FMEA', 'modal analysis' and 'structural rigidity'. The funniest part is a plan for the mechanical design, CAD and analysis of a space structure to take 1 week, and the mechanical design, CAD and analysis for an airborne structure to take the following week. I want half a year, not 2 weeks. How do I effectively show that I know what I'm doing; communicate that the system will take longer than they have planned, and the system will need to be much different to what they envisaged?","c_root_id_A":"fmnzzlw","c_root_id_B":"fmnn1xv","created_at_utc_A":1586240527,"created_at_utc_B":1586229956,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"A guy in this subreddit said it very nicely once. \"They are not tall enough for this ride\"","human_ref_B":"Yep. Look at them blankly... Point at the door and say there's two options. That's if you really care about the project. Most product cycles take a bit of time. Automotive takes on the scale of a year to years. Aerospace, from what I've heard, has engineers working half a career on a single project if they stick around that long.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10571.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"ze9oc9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is ripple current from chargers actually an issue in phones? Saw an ad for a phone charger with nearly 0 ripple noise, which will \"cause the battery and capacitors to last longer\" Seems like BS, but I don't have an electrical or engineering background to know for real.","c_root_id_A":"iz5ccir","c_root_id_B":"iz5804u","created_at_utc_A":1670344214,"created_at_utc_B":1670342453,"score_A":214,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":">Saw an ad for a phone charger with nearly 0 ripple noise, which will \"cause the battery and capacitors to last longer\" Marketing loves to add industry specific terms to dupe people. Go shopping for an HDMI cable and be amazed at the extreme level of techno-trash marketing verbiage to justify an insane mark up.","human_ref_B":"I don\u2019t know about the battery and capacitor effects, although I suspect that might be somewhat BS but not entirely, but I personally have experienced issues with cheap crap chargers messing with the digitizer of the phone screen. Apparently the digitizer is particularly sensitive to noisy DC power and it manifested as phantom taps or scrolls whenever I interacted with the screen. No lasting damage, only issues when charging and using it (I stopped using the charger though so possibly if I had kept using it long term damage may have occurred? Dunno)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1761.0,"score_ratio":11.8888888889} +{"post_id":"ze9oc9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is ripple current from chargers actually an issue in phones? Saw an ad for a phone charger with nearly 0 ripple noise, which will \"cause the battery and capacitors to last longer\" Seems like BS, but I don't have an electrical or engineering background to know for real.","c_root_id_A":"iz5ccir","c_root_id_B":"iz54hve","created_at_utc_A":1670344214,"created_at_utc_B":1670341031,"score_A":214,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":">Saw an ad for a phone charger with nearly 0 ripple noise, which will \"cause the battery and capacitors to last longer\" Marketing loves to add industry specific terms to dupe people. Go shopping for an HDMI cable and be amazed at the extreme level of techno-trash marketing verbiage to justify an insane mark up.","human_ref_B":"I suspect the locals didn't want too much of the commonage grazing land taken from them. But I agree it's an important spot for tourism and should have better infrastructure like paths and benches etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3183.0,"score_ratio":15.2857142857} +{"post_id":"ze9oc9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is ripple current from chargers actually an issue in phones? Saw an ad for a phone charger with nearly 0 ripple noise, which will \"cause the battery and capacitors to last longer\" Seems like BS, but I don't have an electrical or engineering background to know for real.","c_root_id_A":"iz5804u","c_root_id_B":"iz5f1xj","created_at_utc_A":1670342453,"created_at_utc_B":1670345290,"score_A":18,"score_B":75,"human_ref_A":"I don\u2019t know about the battery and capacitor effects, although I suspect that might be somewhat BS but not entirely, but I personally have experienced issues with cheap crap chargers messing with the digitizer of the phone screen. Apparently the digitizer is particularly sensitive to noisy DC power and it manifested as phantom taps or scrolls whenever I interacted with the screen. No lasting damage, only issues when charging and using it (I stopped using the charger though so possibly if I had kept using it long term damage may have occurred? Dunno)","human_ref_B":"No, not an issue unless it is *really* bad. Phones contain internal power converters (DC-DC) converters to adjust and stabilize voltages. The last component in the chain that actually drives the sensitive signal processing chips is a linear regulator (called an LDO) that filters out quite well any power supply ripple. Also the chips themselves are designed to reject ripple and noise on the power supply to an extent.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2837.0,"score_ratio":4.1666666667} +{"post_id":"ze9oc9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is ripple current from chargers actually an issue in phones? Saw an ad for a phone charger with nearly 0 ripple noise, which will \"cause the battery and capacitors to last longer\" Seems like BS, but I don't have an electrical or engineering background to know for real.","c_root_id_A":"iz5f1xj","c_root_id_B":"iz54hve","created_at_utc_A":1670345290,"created_at_utc_B":1670341031,"score_A":75,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"No, not an issue unless it is *really* bad. Phones contain internal power converters (DC-DC) converters to adjust and stabilize voltages. The last component in the chain that actually drives the sensitive signal processing chips is a linear regulator (called an LDO) that filters out quite well any power supply ripple. Also the chips themselves are designed to reject ripple and noise on the power supply to an extent.","human_ref_B":"I suspect the locals didn't want too much of the commonage grazing land taken from them. But I agree it's an important spot for tourism and should have better infrastructure like paths and benches etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4259.0,"score_ratio":5.3571428571} +{"post_id":"ze9oc9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is ripple current from chargers actually an issue in phones? Saw an ad for a phone charger with nearly 0 ripple noise, which will \"cause the battery and capacitors to last longer\" Seems like BS, but I don't have an electrical or engineering background to know for real.","c_root_id_A":"iz5ssv5","c_root_id_B":"iz5804u","created_at_utc_A":1670350516,"created_at_utc_B":1670342453,"score_A":35,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"Pretty much BS. However, there\u2019s another reason why you should use quality chargers, and in my mind quality means \u201ceither OEM or Anker.\u201d Cheap chargers often skimp out on things like output protection. OEM and high quality third part chargers will disconnect the output and stop supplying power if they detect a short. Cheap chargers will not. I woke up a few years ago to the smell of burning plastic. Pulled the USB-C charger out of my Samsung phone on the nightstand and part of the inside of the plug was glowing red hot. The contacts had gotten shorted somehow, and it was plugged into one of those AC outlets that also has USB outlets. It came with the townhouse I was in, which was brand new in a new development. I tried both Samsung and Apple chargers I had laying around - no glowing. They detect the short and stop outputting power. Plugged back into the wall and it\u2019s red-hot again. It\u2019s not worth saving the few bucks. Stick with OEM chargers or Anker.","human_ref_B":"I don\u2019t know about the battery and capacitor effects, although I suspect that might be somewhat BS but not entirely, but I personally have experienced issues with cheap crap chargers messing with the digitizer of the phone screen. Apparently the digitizer is particularly sensitive to noisy DC power and it manifested as phantom taps or scrolls whenever I interacted with the screen. No lasting damage, only issues when charging and using it (I stopped using the charger though so possibly if I had kept using it long term damage may have occurred? Dunno)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8063.0,"score_ratio":1.9444444444} +{"post_id":"ze9oc9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is ripple current from chargers actually an issue in phones? Saw an ad for a phone charger with nearly 0 ripple noise, which will \"cause the battery and capacitors to last longer\" Seems like BS, but I don't have an electrical or engineering background to know for real.","c_root_id_A":"iz5ssv5","c_root_id_B":"iz54hve","created_at_utc_A":1670350516,"created_at_utc_B":1670341031,"score_A":35,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Pretty much BS. However, there\u2019s another reason why you should use quality chargers, and in my mind quality means \u201ceither OEM or Anker.\u201d Cheap chargers often skimp out on things like output protection. OEM and high quality third part chargers will disconnect the output and stop supplying power if they detect a short. Cheap chargers will not. I woke up a few years ago to the smell of burning plastic. Pulled the USB-C charger out of my Samsung phone on the nightstand and part of the inside of the plug was glowing red hot. The contacts had gotten shorted somehow, and it was plugged into one of those AC outlets that also has USB outlets. It came with the townhouse I was in, which was brand new in a new development. I tried both Samsung and Apple chargers I had laying around - no glowing. They detect the short and stop outputting power. Plugged back into the wall and it\u2019s red-hot again. It\u2019s not worth saving the few bucks. Stick with OEM chargers or Anker.","human_ref_B":"I suspect the locals didn't want too much of the commonage grazing land taken from them. But I agree it's an important spot for tourism and should have better infrastructure like paths and benches etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9485.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"ze9oc9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is ripple current from chargers actually an issue in phones? Saw an ad for a phone charger with nearly 0 ripple noise, which will \"cause the battery and capacitors to last longer\" Seems like BS, but I don't have an electrical or engineering background to know for real.","c_root_id_A":"iz54hve","c_root_id_B":"iz5804u","created_at_utc_A":1670341031,"created_at_utc_B":1670342453,"score_A":14,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"I suspect the locals didn't want too much of the commonage grazing land taken from them. But I agree it's an important spot for tourism and should have better infrastructure like paths and benches etc.","human_ref_B":"I don\u2019t know about the battery and capacitor effects, although I suspect that might be somewhat BS but not entirely, but I personally have experienced issues with cheap crap chargers messing with the digitizer of the phone screen. Apparently the digitizer is particularly sensitive to noisy DC power and it manifested as phantom taps or scrolls whenever I interacted with the screen. No lasting damage, only issues when charging and using it (I stopped using the charger though so possibly if I had kept using it long term damage may have occurred? Dunno)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1422.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpaileo","c_root_id_B":"hpaamvl","created_at_utc_A":1640006513,"created_at_utc_B":1640001353,"score_A":52,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Please be careful with your eyes! You only have one set and it only takes one mistake and depending on the power that could be it. Also reflected light intensity can also be dangerous.","human_ref_B":"I suggest you address this question to someone in the physics department at a university near you. Not because you won't get help here, but because lasers are expensive (like UD$15k for a pulsed Nd:YAG) and you might be able to persuade someone to give you some time in the laser lab to do this, rather than purchasing one.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5160.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpaileo","c_root_id_B":"hpadsna","created_at_utc_A":1640006513,"created_at_utc_B":1640003568,"score_A":52,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Please be careful with your eyes! You only have one set and it only takes one mistake and depending on the power that could be it. Also reflected light intensity can also be dangerous.","human_ref_B":"Without calculating I would believe a DVD laser diode(relatively high power ir diode) would do the trick, might even set it on fire. In witch case turn down the amprage on the CC regulator until wanted results are achieved.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2945.0,"score_ratio":5.7777777778} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpaamvl","c_root_id_B":"hpaqmcx","created_at_utc_A":1640001353,"created_at_utc_B":1640010729,"score_A":13,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"I suggest you address this question to someone in the physics department at a university near you. Not because you won't get help here, but because lasers are expensive (like UD$15k for a pulsed Nd:YAG) and you might be able to persuade someone to give you some time in the laser lab to do this, rather than purchasing one.","human_ref_B":"Would you agree your eyeballs and being able to see for the rest of your life are worth at least $70? If so: take the course listed below before doing anything else. It will teach you the fundamentals of handling lasers safely. I then recommend contacting a local university physics lab and working under their supervision. They can probably lend you safety glasses as well. But even if you don't go to the physics lab: take the course. It's absolutely worth the price. https:\/\/www.lia.org\/training\/non-medical\/online-courses\/laser-safety-awareness-training-2020-revision-single-user-online","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9376.0,"score_ratio":2.7692307692} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpaqmcx","c_root_id_B":"hpadsna","created_at_utc_A":1640010729,"created_at_utc_B":1640003568,"score_A":36,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Would you agree your eyeballs and being able to see for the rest of your life are worth at least $70? If so: take the course listed below before doing anything else. It will teach you the fundamentals of handling lasers safely. I then recommend contacting a local university physics lab and working under their supervision. They can probably lend you safety glasses as well. But even if you don't go to the physics lab: take the course. It's absolutely worth the price. https:\/\/www.lia.org\/training\/non-medical\/online-courses\/laser-safety-awareness-training-2020-revision-single-user-online","human_ref_B":"Without calculating I would believe a DVD laser diode(relatively high power ir diode) would do the trick, might even set it on fire. In witch case turn down the amprage on the CC regulator until wanted results are achieved.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7161.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpalkkx","c_root_id_B":"hpaqmcx","created_at_utc_A":1640008153,"created_at_utc_B":1640010729,"score_A":3,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"Honestly I'd just trial and error it. Get a decently strong hand-held laser online and have a play. If it burns the paper, move it further away and it should stop burning at some point. If that point is too far away for ease of use for your art (or the focus beam is too wide), switch to a lower power laser. I suggest starting with a laser maybe 200-500mW and go from there. If you're handy with electronics you can create an adjustable power supply to reduce the power of the laser to what suits you. Be very careful when you're playing with lasers, you can really fuck your eyes up permanently. I really reccomended getting a good pair of laser safety glasses to suit whatever wavelength of laser you get. Be careful.","human_ref_B":"Would you agree your eyeballs and being able to see for the rest of your life are worth at least $70? If so: take the course listed below before doing anything else. It will teach you the fundamentals of handling lasers safely. I then recommend contacting a local university physics lab and working under their supervision. They can probably lend you safety glasses as well. But even if you don't go to the physics lab: take the course. It's absolutely worth the price. https:\/\/www.lia.org\/training\/non-medical\/online-courses\/laser-safety-awareness-training-2020-revision-single-user-online","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2576.0,"score_ratio":12.0} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpaqmcx","c_root_id_B":"hpalnrj","created_at_utc_A":1640010729,"created_at_utc_B":1640008199,"score_A":36,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Would you agree your eyeballs and being able to see for the rest of your life are worth at least $70? If so: take the course listed below before doing anything else. It will teach you the fundamentals of handling lasers safely. I then recommend contacting a local university physics lab and working under their supervision. They can probably lend you safety glasses as well. But even if you don't go to the physics lab: take the course. It's absolutely worth the price. https:\/\/www.lia.org\/training\/non-medical\/online-courses\/laser-safety-awareness-training-2020-revision-single-user-online","human_ref_B":"Check into those cheap laser engravers from the usual import sites. Assume the frequency and power level are fictitious and the laser emissions may be dangerous.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2530.0,"score_ratio":18.0} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpbdib5","c_root_id_B":"hpayavu","created_at_utc_A":1640020668,"created_at_utc_B":1640014256,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Here is another angle. Use a heated plate to heat the paper to 90c and the laser to get to 105c. That way you can use a lower powered laser while still getting the benefits. This could lower the laser safety required. Heated plates can be found on 3d printers and picked up cheaply.","human_ref_B":"Just use a magnifying glass next to a sunny window","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6412.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpalkkx","c_root_id_B":"hpayavu","created_at_utc_A":1640008153,"created_at_utc_B":1640014256,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Honestly I'd just trial and error it. Get a decently strong hand-held laser online and have a play. If it burns the paper, move it further away and it should stop burning at some point. If that point is too far away for ease of use for your art (or the focus beam is too wide), switch to a lower power laser. I suggest starting with a laser maybe 200-500mW and go from there. If you're handy with electronics you can create an adjustable power supply to reduce the power of the laser to what suits you. Be very careful when you're playing with lasers, you can really fuck your eyes up permanently. I really reccomended getting a good pair of laser safety glasses to suit whatever wavelength of laser you get. Be careful.","human_ref_B":"Just use a magnifying glass next to a sunny window","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6103.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpalnrj","c_root_id_B":"hpayavu","created_at_utc_A":1640008199,"created_at_utc_B":1640014256,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Check into those cheap laser engravers from the usual import sites. Assume the frequency and power level are fictitious and the laser emissions may be dangerous.","human_ref_B":"Just use a magnifying glass next to a sunny window","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6057.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpb4d3u","c_root_id_B":"hpbdib5","created_at_utc_A":1640016876,"created_at_utc_B":1640020668,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"This task is incredibly dangerous. \"White\" surface will reflect any visible laser, making the power demands very high, which becomes very dangerous... the reflected energy will likely be damaging to the eyes.","human_ref_B":"Here is another angle. Use a heated plate to heat the paper to 90c and the laser to get to 105c. That way you can use a lower powered laser while still getting the benefits. This could lower the laser safety required. Heated plates can be found on 3d printers and picked up cheaply.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3792.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpalkkx","c_root_id_B":"hpb4d3u","created_at_utc_A":1640008153,"created_at_utc_B":1640016876,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Honestly I'd just trial and error it. Get a decently strong hand-held laser online and have a play. If it burns the paper, move it further away and it should stop burning at some point. If that point is too far away for ease of use for your art (or the focus beam is too wide), switch to a lower power laser. I suggest starting with a laser maybe 200-500mW and go from there. If you're handy with electronics you can create an adjustable power supply to reduce the power of the laser to what suits you. Be very careful when you're playing with lasers, you can really fuck your eyes up permanently. I really reccomended getting a good pair of laser safety glasses to suit whatever wavelength of laser you get. Be careful.","human_ref_B":"This task is incredibly dangerous. \"White\" surface will reflect any visible laser, making the power demands very high, which becomes very dangerous... the reflected energy will likely be damaging to the eyes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8723.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpb4d3u","c_root_id_B":"hpalnrj","created_at_utc_A":1640016876,"created_at_utc_B":1640008199,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This task is incredibly dangerous. \"White\" surface will reflect any visible laser, making the power demands very high, which becomes very dangerous... the reflected energy will likely be damaging to the eyes.","human_ref_B":"Check into those cheap laser engravers from the usual import sites. Assume the frequency and power level are fictitious and the laser emissions may be dangerous.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8677.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpbdib5","c_root_id_B":"hpalkkx","created_at_utc_A":1640020668,"created_at_utc_B":1640008153,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Here is another angle. Use a heated plate to heat the paper to 90c and the laser to get to 105c. That way you can use a lower powered laser while still getting the benefits. This could lower the laser safety required. Heated plates can be found on 3d printers and picked up cheaply.","human_ref_B":"Honestly I'd just trial and error it. Get a decently strong hand-held laser online and have a play. If it burns the paper, move it further away and it should stop burning at some point. If that point is too far away for ease of use for your art (or the focus beam is too wide), switch to a lower power laser. I suggest starting with a laser maybe 200-500mW and go from there. If you're handy with electronics you can create an adjustable power supply to reduce the power of the laser to what suits you. Be very careful when you're playing with lasers, you can really fuck your eyes up permanently. I really reccomended getting a good pair of laser safety glasses to suit whatever wavelength of laser you get. Be careful.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12515.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpb8qub","c_root_id_B":"hpbdib5","created_at_utc_A":1640018711,"created_at_utc_B":1640020668,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Dude you need To protect your eyes lasers are not something you fool around with Without Proper eye protection I would honestly in Encourage you to speak with members of your school's physics department Someone might be able to help you out with this Or they might be able to loan you proper eye protection For whatever you're doing","human_ref_B":"Here is another angle. Use a heated plate to heat the paper to 90c and the laser to get to 105c. That way you can use a lower powered laser while still getting the benefits. This could lower the laser safety required. Heated plates can be found on 3d printers and picked up cheaply.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1957.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpbdib5","c_root_id_B":"hpalnrj","created_at_utc_A":1640020668,"created_at_utc_B":1640008199,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Here is another angle. Use a heated plate to heat the paper to 90c and the laser to get to 105c. That way you can use a lower powered laser while still getting the benefits. This could lower the laser safety required. Heated plates can be found on 3d printers and picked up cheaply.","human_ref_B":"Check into those cheap laser engravers from the usual import sites. Assume the frequency and power level are fictitious and the laser emissions may be dangerous.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12469.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"rklht6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"I need a laser that will heat a sheet of white paper to 100\u00b0C from around a foot away Sorry for the strange ask, this is for an art project. I want to be able to use a laser to draw on a piece of thermal printer paper, does anyone know if this is even possible? Google says that the thermal printer turns black at 100\u00b0C. I suppose the most important thing would be for it to have the right power - too little and it won't draw, too much and it will burn the paper. But I don't know what kind of maths I would need to calculate what power is needed. If you have any experience with lasers, what kind of laser do you recommend I get?","c_root_id_A":"hpb8qub","c_root_id_B":"hpalnrj","created_at_utc_A":1640018711,"created_at_utc_B":1640008199,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Dude you need To protect your eyes lasers are not something you fool around with Without Proper eye protection I would honestly in Encourage you to speak with members of your school's physics department Someone might be able to help you out with this Or they might be able to loan you proper eye protection For whatever you're doing","human_ref_B":"Check into those cheap laser engravers from the usual import sites. Assume the frequency and power level are fictitious and the laser emissions may be dangerous.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10512.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hstjsmz","c_root_id_B":"hstib9u","created_at_utc_A":1642284240,"created_at_utc_B":1642283629,"score_A":14,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Degree: Master's in mechanical engineering with research in robotics Title: senior mechatronics engineer I design electro mechanical systems, currently for an innovation lab run by a large retailer. I prototype whatever they want to try, including drones, to floor rovers, inventory systems and new products. The best part is all the variety in my work. The worst part is that you never know if youll be able to do the stuff you're asked to do. You have to be able to learn fast. The pay can be very good. There are few people in this field, it its also a smaller field for jobs than some.","human_ref_B":"My degree: Master in chemical engineering My job title: Project engineer Industry: Medical\/Hospitals What i do: Plan and build hospitals and laboratories Best about it: Very diverse and no day is like the other Worst about it: Less pay than other engineering jobs, but it is still not bad.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":611.0,"score_ratio":1.5555555556} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsu1jsb","c_root_id_B":"hsu3dml","created_at_utc_A":1642291545,"created_at_utc_B":1642292327,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"My degree: BA in Engineering, mostly mechanical My job title: Senior Mechanical Engineer Job description: Analysis of vehicle dynamics What I do: Simulate dynamics using anything from pencil and paper through to Matlab and MSC.ADAMS Best thing about it: It's pretty interesting most of the time Worst thing about it: Typically don't get time to actually finish jobs properly","human_ref_B":"My degree: PhD in robotics My job title: Director of Advanced Development Industry: Autonomous Industrial Trucks What i do: Run the new products department for an autonomous industrial vehicle company Best about it: extremely complicated and challenging problems, span R&D to commercialization, tons of great people to work with Worst about it: never 'off the clock' tons of meetings, lots of travel, 1,000 projects","labels":0,"seconds_difference":782.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsunltb","c_root_id_B":"hsu1jsb","created_at_utc_A":1642300896,"created_at_utc_B":1642291545,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"My degree: Master in electrical engineering My job title: Senior Mechatronics Engineer Industry: Automotive What i do: Drink coffee and bitch \/s. Serve as a design release engineer for actuators and sensors. Best about it: I get to DIY my testing solutions Worst about it: Getting pigeonholed into my technical role, I will be doing this job under different titles until I retire or die.","human_ref_B":"My degree: BA in Engineering, mostly mechanical My job title: Senior Mechanical Engineer Job description: Analysis of vehicle dynamics What I do: Simulate dynamics using anything from pencil and paper through to Matlab and MSC.ADAMS Best thing about it: It's pretty interesting most of the time Worst thing about it: Typically don't get time to actually finish jobs properly","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9351.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsu1jsb","c_root_id_B":"hsu11u7","created_at_utc_A":1642291545,"created_at_utc_B":1642291341,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"My degree: BA in Engineering, mostly mechanical My job title: Senior Mechanical Engineer Job description: Analysis of vehicle dynamics What I do: Simulate dynamics using anything from pencil and paper through to Matlab and MSC.ADAMS Best thing about it: It's pretty interesting most of the time Worst thing about it: Typically don't get time to actually finish jobs properly","human_ref_B":"Degree: Bachelors ME, masters BME Title: Staff Biomedical Engineer, 3D printing. Industry: Medical\/Healthcare What I do: I work for a large MNC in the field of medical devices. I helped set up and run an on-site 3d printing lab at a hospital that is run by our company. I designed the lab, run all the 3d printers, manage day to day ops. I am also the direct point of contact for all requests from the hospital for 3d printing. I do all the designs that come off our printers. In addition, I am also involved in a the quality system management of our lab- validating and verification of systems, processes, etc. Best about it: The cases I design can be very challenging and unique, get to see the direct impact on a patient. Worst about it: Doctors can be difficult customers, internal company red tape, lots of night meetings.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":204.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsu1jsb","c_root_id_B":"hstqjsh","created_at_utc_A":1642291545,"created_at_utc_B":1642286992,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My degree: BA in Engineering, mostly mechanical My job title: Senior Mechanical Engineer Job description: Analysis of vehicle dynamics What I do: Simulate dynamics using anything from pencil and paper through to Matlab and MSC.ADAMS Best thing about it: It's pretty interesting most of the time Worst thing about it: Typically don't get time to actually finish jobs properly","human_ref_B":"My official title is \"Studies Engineer\" I focus in renewable power systems, and the related infrastructure. So that mostly amounts to utility scale solar, wind, and battery storage plants... usually in the 30-500MW range. Furthermore, I focus more specifically in the dynamic, transient, and control systems functionality of these plants. Basically, what I do is create computational models of these plants using a variety of softwares like PSSE, PSLF, and PSCAD. These models includes all of the electrical power systems infrastructure, the relays and protections, and the control systems algorithms and interfaces. I then construct test scenarios and then subject the model to a variety of different grid level events, such as over\/under frequency events, faults, transient overvoltage, voltage step changes, and many other types of transient events. Basically the purpose of all this is to construct a virtual model of a plant that can be used to assess the plant's stability and it's functionality as it pertains to voltage and frequency support when interconnected with the grid. This can either be for a new conceptual design of a plant, where my modelling work will serve as the basis of that plant's power equipment control systems design, or it can be for a preexisting plant for the purposes of validating the real-life performance data of the plant against an equivalent virtual model of the plant which can then be used to study certain hypothetical scenarios for that plant without having to perform those tests in real life and risking damaging or tripping equipment offline or producing instability on the grid. TL;DR: I build computer models of renewable power plants and then tune the control systems algorithms to make them play nice when connected to the grid.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4553.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsu1jsb","c_root_id_B":"hsttqxa","created_at_utc_A":1642291545,"created_at_utc_B":1642288312,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My degree: BA in Engineering, mostly mechanical My job title: Senior Mechanical Engineer Job description: Analysis of vehicle dynamics What I do: Simulate dynamics using anything from pencil and paper through to Matlab and MSC.ADAMS Best thing about it: It's pretty interesting most of the time Worst thing about it: Typically don't get time to actually finish jobs properly","human_ref_B":"I have a bachelors in civil engineering. I work at a civil design firm. Was recently promoted to Project Manager When a developer wants to build something they can call my company and we will take the building footprint in cad, place it on a survey, and then decide how the topography and utilities need to change in order to get everything built. So for example I have a restaurant project I'm working on right now. The property is a field and it's all a big hill. So I had to figure out how to flatten out a large area of the hill to place a building\/parking lot, how to slope it to manage water runoff, how it connects to the road out front, stormwater management design and all that. Meanwhile I have to submit to everyone who has jurisdiction over the things we are trying to change. Like the city planning and zoning, city public works\/engineering, utility companies, state environmental departments. I have to get permits for all the work I'm designing and go to meetings and give presentations. The neighbors don't want the restaurant to go in so I have to try and argue my case to city council members and what not. When it's all said and done I hand the client permits and then they start construction. During construction if the contractor has questions they call me for plan clarifications. I've done this process with big and small projects. My company does a lot of fast food restaurants, popeyes, paneras, taco bells. But we also do giant warehouses, public roadway projects, and residential neighborhoods. The residential stuff is my favorite because it's just a whole different animal. I'd say my favorite part of my company is that we aren't pigeon holed into being just one type of design. There are some firms that only do roadways, and that's fine to have a specialty. But I like the variety I get.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3233.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hstwesr","c_root_id_B":"hsu3dml","created_at_utc_A":1642289414,"created_at_utc_B":1642292327,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Degree: MET (abet accredited) Job Title: Sr. Manufacturing Engineer Industry: Aviation\/Defense What do I actually do: New Product Introduction & process design of aviation hardware. It\u2019s pretty high volume for aviation. Love designing processes for SPC and continuous improvement projects. Fair amount of tool design, too. Pros: Probably as high volume as aviation hardware can be. Easy to save the company money and substantiate it for awards. My team is super agile\/lean. Good work\/life balance; great pay. Cons: Lots of red tape (aviation\/defense). Our internal quality organization is inexperienced (read: makes our lives unnecessarily difficult).","human_ref_B":"My degree: PhD in robotics My job title: Director of Advanced Development Industry: Autonomous Industrial Trucks What i do: Run the new products department for an autonomous industrial vehicle company Best about it: extremely complicated and challenging problems, span R&D to commercialization, tons of great people to work with Worst about it: never 'off the clock' tons of meetings, lots of travel, 1,000 projects","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2913.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsu3dml","c_root_id_B":"hsu11u7","created_at_utc_A":1642292327,"created_at_utc_B":1642291341,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"My degree: PhD in robotics My job title: Director of Advanced Development Industry: Autonomous Industrial Trucks What i do: Run the new products department for an autonomous industrial vehicle company Best about it: extremely complicated and challenging problems, span R&D to commercialization, tons of great people to work with Worst about it: never 'off the clock' tons of meetings, lots of travel, 1,000 projects","human_ref_B":"Degree: Bachelors ME, masters BME Title: Staff Biomedical Engineer, 3D printing. Industry: Medical\/Healthcare What I do: I work for a large MNC in the field of medical devices. I helped set up and run an on-site 3d printing lab at a hospital that is run by our company. I designed the lab, run all the 3d printers, manage day to day ops. I am also the direct point of contact for all requests from the hospital for 3d printing. I do all the designs that come off our printers. In addition, I am also involved in a the quality system management of our lab- validating and verification of systems, processes, etc. Best about it: The cases I design can be very challenging and unique, get to see the direct impact on a patient. Worst about it: Doctors can be difficult customers, internal company red tape, lots of night meetings.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":986.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hstqjsh","c_root_id_B":"hsu3dml","created_at_utc_A":1642286992,"created_at_utc_B":1642292327,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"My official title is \"Studies Engineer\" I focus in renewable power systems, and the related infrastructure. So that mostly amounts to utility scale solar, wind, and battery storage plants... usually in the 30-500MW range. Furthermore, I focus more specifically in the dynamic, transient, and control systems functionality of these plants. Basically, what I do is create computational models of these plants using a variety of softwares like PSSE, PSLF, and PSCAD. These models includes all of the electrical power systems infrastructure, the relays and protections, and the control systems algorithms and interfaces. I then construct test scenarios and then subject the model to a variety of different grid level events, such as over\/under frequency events, faults, transient overvoltage, voltage step changes, and many other types of transient events. Basically the purpose of all this is to construct a virtual model of a plant that can be used to assess the plant's stability and it's functionality as it pertains to voltage and frequency support when interconnected with the grid. This can either be for a new conceptual design of a plant, where my modelling work will serve as the basis of that plant's power equipment control systems design, or it can be for a preexisting plant for the purposes of validating the real-life performance data of the plant against an equivalent virtual model of the plant which can then be used to study certain hypothetical scenarios for that plant without having to perform those tests in real life and risking damaging or tripping equipment offline or producing instability on the grid. TL;DR: I build computer models of renewable power plants and then tune the control systems algorithms to make them play nice when connected to the grid.","human_ref_B":"My degree: PhD in robotics My job title: Director of Advanced Development Industry: Autonomous Industrial Trucks What i do: Run the new products department for an autonomous industrial vehicle company Best about it: extremely complicated and challenging problems, span R&D to commercialization, tons of great people to work with Worst about it: never 'off the clock' tons of meetings, lots of travel, 1,000 projects","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5335.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsttqxa","c_root_id_B":"hsu3dml","created_at_utc_A":1642288312,"created_at_utc_B":1642292327,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I have a bachelors in civil engineering. I work at a civil design firm. Was recently promoted to Project Manager When a developer wants to build something they can call my company and we will take the building footprint in cad, place it on a survey, and then decide how the topography and utilities need to change in order to get everything built. So for example I have a restaurant project I'm working on right now. The property is a field and it's all a big hill. So I had to figure out how to flatten out a large area of the hill to place a building\/parking lot, how to slope it to manage water runoff, how it connects to the road out front, stormwater management design and all that. Meanwhile I have to submit to everyone who has jurisdiction over the things we are trying to change. Like the city planning and zoning, city public works\/engineering, utility companies, state environmental departments. I have to get permits for all the work I'm designing and go to meetings and give presentations. The neighbors don't want the restaurant to go in so I have to try and argue my case to city council members and what not. When it's all said and done I hand the client permits and then they start construction. During construction if the contractor has questions they call me for plan clarifications. I've done this process with big and small projects. My company does a lot of fast food restaurants, popeyes, paneras, taco bells. But we also do giant warehouses, public roadway projects, and residential neighborhoods. The residential stuff is my favorite because it's just a whole different animal. I'd say my favorite part of my company is that we aren't pigeon holed into being just one type of design. There are some firms that only do roadways, and that's fine to have a specialty. But I like the variety I get.","human_ref_B":"My degree: PhD in robotics My job title: Director of Advanced Development Industry: Autonomous Industrial Trucks What i do: Run the new products department for an autonomous industrial vehicle company Best about it: extremely complicated and challenging problems, span R&D to commercialization, tons of great people to work with Worst about it: never 'off the clock' tons of meetings, lots of travel, 1,000 projects","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4015.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsunltb","c_root_id_B":"hstwesr","created_at_utc_A":1642300896,"created_at_utc_B":1642289414,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"My degree: Master in electrical engineering My job title: Senior Mechatronics Engineer Industry: Automotive What i do: Drink coffee and bitch \/s. Serve as a design release engineer for actuators and sensors. Best about it: I get to DIY my testing solutions Worst about it: Getting pigeonholed into my technical role, I will be doing this job under different titles until I retire or die.","human_ref_B":"Degree: MET (abet accredited) Job Title: Sr. Manufacturing Engineer Industry: Aviation\/Defense What do I actually do: New Product Introduction & process design of aviation hardware. It\u2019s pretty high volume for aviation. Love designing processes for SPC and continuous improvement projects. Fair amount of tool design, too. Pros: Probably as high volume as aviation hardware can be. Easy to save the company money and substantiate it for awards. My team is super agile\/lean. Good work\/life balance; great pay. Cons: Lots of red tape (aviation\/defense). Our internal quality organization is inexperienced (read: makes our lives unnecessarily difficult).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11482.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hstwesr","c_root_id_B":"hstqjsh","created_at_utc_A":1642289414,"created_at_utc_B":1642286992,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Degree: MET (abet accredited) Job Title: Sr. Manufacturing Engineer Industry: Aviation\/Defense What do I actually do: New Product Introduction & process design of aviation hardware. It\u2019s pretty high volume for aviation. Love designing processes for SPC and continuous improvement projects. Fair amount of tool design, too. Pros: Probably as high volume as aviation hardware can be. Easy to save the company money and substantiate it for awards. My team is super agile\/lean. Good work\/life balance; great pay. Cons: Lots of red tape (aviation\/defense). Our internal quality organization is inexperienced (read: makes our lives unnecessarily difficult).","human_ref_B":"My official title is \"Studies Engineer\" I focus in renewable power systems, and the related infrastructure. So that mostly amounts to utility scale solar, wind, and battery storage plants... usually in the 30-500MW range. Furthermore, I focus more specifically in the dynamic, transient, and control systems functionality of these plants. Basically, what I do is create computational models of these plants using a variety of softwares like PSSE, PSLF, and PSCAD. These models includes all of the electrical power systems infrastructure, the relays and protections, and the control systems algorithms and interfaces. I then construct test scenarios and then subject the model to a variety of different grid level events, such as over\/under frequency events, faults, transient overvoltage, voltage step changes, and many other types of transient events. Basically the purpose of all this is to construct a virtual model of a plant that can be used to assess the plant's stability and it's functionality as it pertains to voltage and frequency support when interconnected with the grid. This can either be for a new conceptual design of a plant, where my modelling work will serve as the basis of that plant's power equipment control systems design, or it can be for a preexisting plant for the purposes of validating the real-life performance data of the plant against an equivalent virtual model of the plant which can then be used to study certain hypothetical scenarios for that plant without having to perform those tests in real life and risking damaging or tripping equipment offline or producing instability on the grid. TL;DR: I build computer models of renewable power plants and then tune the control systems algorithms to make them play nice when connected to the grid.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2422.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hstwesr","c_root_id_B":"hsttqxa","created_at_utc_A":1642289414,"created_at_utc_B":1642288312,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Degree: MET (abet accredited) Job Title: Sr. Manufacturing Engineer Industry: Aviation\/Defense What do I actually do: New Product Introduction & process design of aviation hardware. It\u2019s pretty high volume for aviation. Love designing processes for SPC and continuous improvement projects. Fair amount of tool design, too. Pros: Probably as high volume as aviation hardware can be. Easy to save the company money and substantiate it for awards. My team is super agile\/lean. Good work\/life balance; great pay. Cons: Lots of red tape (aviation\/defense). Our internal quality organization is inexperienced (read: makes our lives unnecessarily difficult).","human_ref_B":"I have a bachelors in civil engineering. I work at a civil design firm. Was recently promoted to Project Manager When a developer wants to build something they can call my company and we will take the building footprint in cad, place it on a survey, and then decide how the topography and utilities need to change in order to get everything built. So for example I have a restaurant project I'm working on right now. The property is a field and it's all a big hill. So I had to figure out how to flatten out a large area of the hill to place a building\/parking lot, how to slope it to manage water runoff, how it connects to the road out front, stormwater management design and all that. Meanwhile I have to submit to everyone who has jurisdiction over the things we are trying to change. Like the city planning and zoning, city public works\/engineering, utility companies, state environmental departments. I have to get permits for all the work I'm designing and go to meetings and give presentations. The neighbors don't want the restaurant to go in so I have to try and argue my case to city council members and what not. When it's all said and done I hand the client permits and then they start construction. During construction if the contractor has questions they call me for plan clarifications. I've done this process with big and small projects. My company does a lot of fast food restaurants, popeyes, paneras, taco bells. But we also do giant warehouses, public roadway projects, and residential neighborhoods. The residential stuff is my favorite because it's just a whole different animal. I'd say my favorite part of my company is that we aren't pigeon holed into being just one type of design. There are some firms that only do roadways, and that's fine to have a specialty. But I like the variety I get.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1102.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsunltb","c_root_id_B":"hsu11u7","created_at_utc_A":1642300896,"created_at_utc_B":1642291341,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"My degree: Master in electrical engineering My job title: Senior Mechatronics Engineer Industry: Automotive What i do: Drink coffee and bitch \/s. Serve as a design release engineer for actuators and sensors. Best about it: I get to DIY my testing solutions Worst about it: Getting pigeonholed into my technical role, I will be doing this job under different titles until I retire or die.","human_ref_B":"Degree: Bachelors ME, masters BME Title: Staff Biomedical Engineer, 3D printing. Industry: Medical\/Healthcare What I do: I work for a large MNC in the field of medical devices. I helped set up and run an on-site 3d printing lab at a hospital that is run by our company. I designed the lab, run all the 3d printers, manage day to day ops. I am also the direct point of contact for all requests from the hospital for 3d printing. I do all the designs that come off our printers. In addition, I am also involved in a the quality system management of our lab- validating and verification of systems, processes, etc. Best about it: The cases I design can be very challenging and unique, get to see the direct impact on a patient. Worst about it: Doctors can be difficult customers, internal company red tape, lots of night meetings.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9555.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsunltb","c_root_id_B":"hstqjsh","created_at_utc_A":1642300896,"created_at_utc_B":1642286992,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My degree: Master in electrical engineering My job title: Senior Mechatronics Engineer Industry: Automotive What i do: Drink coffee and bitch \/s. Serve as a design release engineer for actuators and sensors. Best about it: I get to DIY my testing solutions Worst about it: Getting pigeonholed into my technical role, I will be doing this job under different titles until I retire or die.","human_ref_B":"My official title is \"Studies Engineer\" I focus in renewable power systems, and the related infrastructure. So that mostly amounts to utility scale solar, wind, and battery storage plants... usually in the 30-500MW range. Furthermore, I focus more specifically in the dynamic, transient, and control systems functionality of these plants. Basically, what I do is create computational models of these plants using a variety of softwares like PSSE, PSLF, and PSCAD. These models includes all of the electrical power systems infrastructure, the relays and protections, and the control systems algorithms and interfaces. I then construct test scenarios and then subject the model to a variety of different grid level events, such as over\/under frequency events, faults, transient overvoltage, voltage step changes, and many other types of transient events. Basically the purpose of all this is to construct a virtual model of a plant that can be used to assess the plant's stability and it's functionality as it pertains to voltage and frequency support when interconnected with the grid. This can either be for a new conceptual design of a plant, where my modelling work will serve as the basis of that plant's power equipment control systems design, or it can be for a preexisting plant for the purposes of validating the real-life performance data of the plant against an equivalent virtual model of the plant which can then be used to study certain hypothetical scenarios for that plant without having to perform those tests in real life and risking damaging or tripping equipment offline or producing instability on the grid. TL;DR: I build computer models of renewable power plants and then tune the control systems algorithms to make them play nice when connected to the grid.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13904.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsttqxa","c_root_id_B":"hsunltb","created_at_utc_A":1642288312,"created_at_utc_B":1642300896,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I have a bachelors in civil engineering. I work at a civil design firm. Was recently promoted to Project Manager When a developer wants to build something they can call my company and we will take the building footprint in cad, place it on a survey, and then decide how the topography and utilities need to change in order to get everything built. So for example I have a restaurant project I'm working on right now. The property is a field and it's all a big hill. So I had to figure out how to flatten out a large area of the hill to place a building\/parking lot, how to slope it to manage water runoff, how it connects to the road out front, stormwater management design and all that. Meanwhile I have to submit to everyone who has jurisdiction over the things we are trying to change. Like the city planning and zoning, city public works\/engineering, utility companies, state environmental departments. I have to get permits for all the work I'm designing and go to meetings and give presentations. The neighbors don't want the restaurant to go in so I have to try and argue my case to city council members and what not. When it's all said and done I hand the client permits and then they start construction. During construction if the contractor has questions they call me for plan clarifications. I've done this process with big and small projects. My company does a lot of fast food restaurants, popeyes, paneras, taco bells. But we also do giant warehouses, public roadway projects, and residential neighborhoods. The residential stuff is my favorite because it's just a whole different animal. I'd say my favorite part of my company is that we aren't pigeon holed into being just one type of design. There are some firms that only do roadways, and that's fine to have a specialty. But I like the variety I get.","human_ref_B":"My degree: Master in electrical engineering My job title: Senior Mechatronics Engineer Industry: Automotive What i do: Drink coffee and bitch \/s. Serve as a design release engineer for actuators and sensors. Best about it: I get to DIY my testing solutions Worst about it: Getting pigeonholed into my technical role, I will be doing this job under different titles until I retire or die.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12584.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsu11u7","c_root_id_B":"hsv6krr","created_at_utc_A":1642291341,"created_at_utc_B":1642310071,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Degree: Bachelors ME, masters BME Title: Staff Biomedical Engineer, 3D printing. Industry: Medical\/Healthcare What I do: I work for a large MNC in the field of medical devices. I helped set up and run an on-site 3d printing lab at a hospital that is run by our company. I designed the lab, run all the 3d printers, manage day to day ops. I am also the direct point of contact for all requests from the hospital for 3d printing. I do all the designs that come off our printers. In addition, I am also involved in a the quality system management of our lab- validating and verification of systems, processes, etc. Best about it: The cases I design can be very challenging and unique, get to see the direct impact on a patient. Worst about it: Doctors can be difficult customers, internal company red tape, lots of night meetings.","human_ref_B":"Job title: flight test engineer Degree: computer electrical engineering What I do: I write test procedures, verify them in the simulator, and then get on the plane and fly them (the pilots fly actually, I'm just in the back looking at data) Pros: I get to fly on experiential planes, do crazy maneuvers like stalls, side slips, crosswind landings, and other stuff. I get to travel with the plane for remote testing and even for local testing will often fly to lots of different airports for approaches or landings. I get to deal with technical aspects of aircraft but across much more range of systems than if I were in design. Cons: the schedule can be weird and often the travel isn't to somewhere cool. There's a lot of red tape. It can be physically demanding in the sense of dealing with high\/low g situations and rough flight conditions without throwing up. Testing schedules change often and you may find out only a day in advance the you are flying, so it's not good if you have family or pets and need a fixed schedule. It's a niche industry and hard to get into, and a lot of programs don't involve flying. Honestly it's my dream job, it's really cool and also keeps me involved with technical work to an extent as I need to know fairly in depth how things work in order to write test procedures for them. I thought about going the design route but I hated spending all my time behind a desk and never actually seeing the thing I'm working on. Now I get to have some stability (most days are just a normal 9\/5, even if I'm flying) but my schedule changes a lot which keeps things interesting. People always ask if it's scary or dangerous. Yeah technically what I'm flying on is experimental and we are flying to and beyond the limits of the aircraft, but there's a tremendous amount of safety involved and everyone is very professional. I've never been afraid of flying and don't feel scared when flying for work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18730.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsu11u7","c_root_id_B":"hstqjsh","created_at_utc_A":1642291341,"created_at_utc_B":1642286992,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Degree: Bachelors ME, masters BME Title: Staff Biomedical Engineer, 3D printing. Industry: Medical\/Healthcare What I do: I work for a large MNC in the field of medical devices. I helped set up and run an on-site 3d printing lab at a hospital that is run by our company. I designed the lab, run all the 3d printers, manage day to day ops. I am also the direct point of contact for all requests from the hospital for 3d printing. I do all the designs that come off our printers. In addition, I am also involved in a the quality system management of our lab- validating and verification of systems, processes, etc. Best about it: The cases I design can be very challenging and unique, get to see the direct impact on a patient. Worst about it: Doctors can be difficult customers, internal company red tape, lots of night meetings.","human_ref_B":"My official title is \"Studies Engineer\" I focus in renewable power systems, and the related infrastructure. So that mostly amounts to utility scale solar, wind, and battery storage plants... usually in the 30-500MW range. Furthermore, I focus more specifically in the dynamic, transient, and control systems functionality of these plants. Basically, what I do is create computational models of these plants using a variety of softwares like PSSE, PSLF, and PSCAD. These models includes all of the electrical power systems infrastructure, the relays and protections, and the control systems algorithms and interfaces. I then construct test scenarios and then subject the model to a variety of different grid level events, such as over\/under frequency events, faults, transient overvoltage, voltage step changes, and many other types of transient events. Basically the purpose of all this is to construct a virtual model of a plant that can be used to assess the plant's stability and it's functionality as it pertains to voltage and frequency support when interconnected with the grid. This can either be for a new conceptual design of a plant, where my modelling work will serve as the basis of that plant's power equipment control systems design, or it can be for a preexisting plant for the purposes of validating the real-life performance data of the plant against an equivalent virtual model of the plant which can then be used to study certain hypothetical scenarios for that plant without having to perform those tests in real life and risking damaging or tripping equipment offline or producing instability on the grid. TL;DR: I build computer models of renewable power plants and then tune the control systems algorithms to make them play nice when connected to the grid.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4349.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsu11u7","c_root_id_B":"hsttqxa","created_at_utc_A":1642291341,"created_at_utc_B":1642288312,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Degree: Bachelors ME, masters BME Title: Staff Biomedical Engineer, 3D printing. Industry: Medical\/Healthcare What I do: I work for a large MNC in the field of medical devices. I helped set up and run an on-site 3d printing lab at a hospital that is run by our company. I designed the lab, run all the 3d printers, manage day to day ops. I am also the direct point of contact for all requests from the hospital for 3d printing. I do all the designs that come off our printers. In addition, I am also involved in a the quality system management of our lab- validating and verification of systems, processes, etc. Best about it: The cases I design can be very challenging and unique, get to see the direct impact on a patient. Worst about it: Doctors can be difficult customers, internal company red tape, lots of night meetings.","human_ref_B":"I have a bachelors in civil engineering. I work at a civil design firm. Was recently promoted to Project Manager When a developer wants to build something they can call my company and we will take the building footprint in cad, place it on a survey, and then decide how the topography and utilities need to change in order to get everything built. So for example I have a restaurant project I'm working on right now. The property is a field and it's all a big hill. So I had to figure out how to flatten out a large area of the hill to place a building\/parking lot, how to slope it to manage water runoff, how it connects to the road out front, stormwater management design and all that. Meanwhile I have to submit to everyone who has jurisdiction over the things we are trying to change. Like the city planning and zoning, city public works\/engineering, utility companies, state environmental departments. I have to get permits for all the work I'm designing and go to meetings and give presentations. The neighbors don't want the restaurant to go in so I have to try and argue my case to city council members and what not. When it's all said and done I hand the client permits and then they start construction. During construction if the contractor has questions they call me for plan clarifications. I've done this process with big and small projects. My company does a lot of fast food restaurants, popeyes, paneras, taco bells. But we also do giant warehouses, public roadway projects, and residential neighborhoods. The residential stuff is my favorite because it's just a whole different animal. I'd say my favorite part of my company is that we aren't pigeon holed into being just one type of design. There are some firms that only do roadways, and that's fine to have a specialty. But I like the variety I get.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3029.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hstqjsh","c_root_id_B":"hsv6krr","created_at_utc_A":1642286992,"created_at_utc_B":1642310071,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"My official title is \"Studies Engineer\" I focus in renewable power systems, and the related infrastructure. So that mostly amounts to utility scale solar, wind, and battery storage plants... usually in the 30-500MW range. Furthermore, I focus more specifically in the dynamic, transient, and control systems functionality of these plants. Basically, what I do is create computational models of these plants using a variety of softwares like PSSE, PSLF, and PSCAD. These models includes all of the electrical power systems infrastructure, the relays and protections, and the control systems algorithms and interfaces. I then construct test scenarios and then subject the model to a variety of different grid level events, such as over\/under frequency events, faults, transient overvoltage, voltage step changes, and many other types of transient events. Basically the purpose of all this is to construct a virtual model of a plant that can be used to assess the plant's stability and it's functionality as it pertains to voltage and frequency support when interconnected with the grid. This can either be for a new conceptual design of a plant, where my modelling work will serve as the basis of that plant's power equipment control systems design, or it can be for a preexisting plant for the purposes of validating the real-life performance data of the plant against an equivalent virtual model of the plant which can then be used to study certain hypothetical scenarios for that plant without having to perform those tests in real life and risking damaging or tripping equipment offline or producing instability on the grid. TL;DR: I build computer models of renewable power plants and then tune the control systems algorithms to make them play nice when connected to the grid.","human_ref_B":"Job title: flight test engineer Degree: computer electrical engineering What I do: I write test procedures, verify them in the simulator, and then get on the plane and fly them (the pilots fly actually, I'm just in the back looking at data) Pros: I get to fly on experiential planes, do crazy maneuvers like stalls, side slips, crosswind landings, and other stuff. I get to travel with the plane for remote testing and even for local testing will often fly to lots of different airports for approaches or landings. I get to deal with technical aspects of aircraft but across much more range of systems than if I were in design. Cons: the schedule can be weird and often the travel isn't to somewhere cool. There's a lot of red tape. It can be physically demanding in the sense of dealing with high\/low g situations and rough flight conditions without throwing up. Testing schedules change often and you may find out only a day in advance the you are flying, so it's not good if you have family or pets and need a fixed schedule. It's a niche industry and hard to get into, and a lot of programs don't involve flying. Honestly it's my dream job, it's really cool and also keeps me involved with technical work to an extent as I need to know fairly in depth how things work in order to write test procedures for them. I thought about going the design route but I hated spending all my time behind a desk and never actually seeing the thing I'm working on. Now I get to have some stability (most days are just a normal 9\/5, even if I'm flying) but my schedule changes a lot which keeps things interesting. People always ask if it's scary or dangerous. Yeah technically what I'm flying on is experimental and we are flying to and beyond the limits of the aircraft, but there's a tremendous amount of safety involved and everyone is very professional. I've never been afraid of flying and don't feel scared when flying for work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":23079.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsttqxa","c_root_id_B":"hsv6krr","created_at_utc_A":1642288312,"created_at_utc_B":1642310071,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I have a bachelors in civil engineering. I work at a civil design firm. Was recently promoted to Project Manager When a developer wants to build something they can call my company and we will take the building footprint in cad, place it on a survey, and then decide how the topography and utilities need to change in order to get everything built. So for example I have a restaurant project I'm working on right now. The property is a field and it's all a big hill. So I had to figure out how to flatten out a large area of the hill to place a building\/parking lot, how to slope it to manage water runoff, how it connects to the road out front, stormwater management design and all that. Meanwhile I have to submit to everyone who has jurisdiction over the things we are trying to change. Like the city planning and zoning, city public works\/engineering, utility companies, state environmental departments. I have to get permits for all the work I'm designing and go to meetings and give presentations. The neighbors don't want the restaurant to go in so I have to try and argue my case to city council members and what not. When it's all said and done I hand the client permits and then they start construction. During construction if the contractor has questions they call me for plan clarifications. I've done this process with big and small projects. My company does a lot of fast food restaurants, popeyes, paneras, taco bells. But we also do giant warehouses, public roadway projects, and residential neighborhoods. The residential stuff is my favorite because it's just a whole different animal. I'd say my favorite part of my company is that we aren't pigeon holed into being just one type of design. There are some firms that only do roadways, and that's fine to have a specialty. But I like the variety I get.","human_ref_B":"Job title: flight test engineer Degree: computer electrical engineering What I do: I write test procedures, verify them in the simulator, and then get on the plane and fly them (the pilots fly actually, I'm just in the back looking at data) Pros: I get to fly on experiential planes, do crazy maneuvers like stalls, side slips, crosswind landings, and other stuff. I get to travel with the plane for remote testing and even for local testing will often fly to lots of different airports for approaches or landings. I get to deal with technical aspects of aircraft but across much more range of systems than if I were in design. Cons: the schedule can be weird and often the travel isn't to somewhere cool. There's a lot of red tape. It can be physically demanding in the sense of dealing with high\/low g situations and rough flight conditions without throwing up. Testing schedules change often and you may find out only a day in advance the you are flying, so it's not good if you have family or pets and need a fixed schedule. It's a niche industry and hard to get into, and a lot of programs don't involve flying. Honestly it's my dream job, it's really cool and also keeps me involved with technical work to an extent as I need to know fairly in depth how things work in order to write test procedures for them. I thought about going the design route but I hated spending all my time behind a desk and never actually seeing the thing I'm working on. Now I get to have some stability (most days are just a normal 9\/5, even if I'm flying) but my schedule changes a lot which keeps things interesting. People always ask if it's scary or dangerous. Yeah technically what I'm flying on is experimental and we are flying to and beyond the limits of the aircraft, but there's a tremendous amount of safety involved and everyone is very professional. I've never been afraid of flying and don't feel scared when flying for work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21759.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"s4ut5x","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"As there are so many sub-species of engineer, WHAT DO YOU DO? There are nearly unlimited avenues you can go down and specialise in as an engineer. I thought it would be interesting to see the range of activities we can get up to, in layman's terms please. Some things to include could be: Job title Job description What you actually do Best\/worst about it Thank you all.","c_root_id_A":"hsv6krr","c_root_id_B":"hsuro51","created_at_utc_A":1642310071,"created_at_utc_B":1642302660,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Job title: flight test engineer Degree: computer electrical engineering What I do: I write test procedures, verify them in the simulator, and then get on the plane and fly them (the pilots fly actually, I'm just in the back looking at data) Pros: I get to fly on experiential planes, do crazy maneuvers like stalls, side slips, crosswind landings, and other stuff. I get to travel with the plane for remote testing and even for local testing will often fly to lots of different airports for approaches or landings. I get to deal with technical aspects of aircraft but across much more range of systems than if I were in design. Cons: the schedule can be weird and often the travel isn't to somewhere cool. There's a lot of red tape. It can be physically demanding in the sense of dealing with high\/low g situations and rough flight conditions without throwing up. Testing schedules change often and you may find out only a day in advance the you are flying, so it's not good if you have family or pets and need a fixed schedule. It's a niche industry and hard to get into, and a lot of programs don't involve flying. Honestly it's my dream job, it's really cool and also keeps me involved with technical work to an extent as I need to know fairly in depth how things work in order to write test procedures for them. I thought about going the design route but I hated spending all my time behind a desk and never actually seeing the thing I'm working on. Now I get to have some stability (most days are just a normal 9\/5, even if I'm flying) but my schedule changes a lot which keeps things interesting. People always ask if it's scary or dangerous. Yeah technically what I'm flying on is experimental and we are flying to and beyond the limits of the aircraft, but there's a tremendous amount of safety involved and everyone is very professional. I've never been afraid of flying and don't feel scared when flying for work.","human_ref_B":"My degree: BSEET My job title: Principal Electrical Engineer Industry: Consumer electronics - big tech What I do: architect next generation product, prototype features, architect new silicon, board level design Best about it: new things to learn always, surrounded by very capable engineers, development budgets tend to be large Worst about it: timeline stresses exacerbated by large budgets (can buy ourselves out of problems), lots of people\/interactions so not ideal for misanthropes, meetings burden - organizing large groups to the same goals is a challenge.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7411.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"qxpadt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How to explain a technical concept behind closed doors to a senior person too embarrassed to openly admit that they don\u2019t understand it? I took the title of this question from a nice list by Camille Fournier. Asking it here because I feel it's probably common to many technical fields. As a senior engineer who is (still?) passionate about the domain I work in, I am often in situations where my less passionate colleagues may feel embarrassed, or even threatened by my style of work. As the domain is also my hobby, I spend a lot of personal time refining my skills, so I'm often the person who introduces my team to new tools or watches over good engineering practices in cases where making shortcuts is especially tempting. Do you have any tips, suggestions, or maybe anecdotes on how to deal with senior engineers (in age, in experience) who might be unwilling to admit that they might be missing knowledge, maybe on new developments in the industry, or maybe some basic knowledge that they somehow missed in their career?","c_root_id_A":"hlbf5r3","c_root_id_B":"hlbck8h","created_at_utc_A":1637362365,"created_at_utc_B":1637361291,"score_A":18,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"> I am often in situations where my less passionate colleagues may feel embarrassed, **or even threatened by my style of work.** In my experience, if someone is an expert in their field with good leadership qualities, people happily seek them out for advice and insight and explanations. If people are put off or intimidated or threatened, it's not because they're in awe of intelligence. That kind of thing smells like a personality problem that should be acknowledged and addressed rather than 'expert' seeking ways to explain things he *thinks* other people don't understand. Like, I've never heard someone say, \"Oh man so-and-so knows his stuff so much better than I do, I don't know how to approach him!\" But I *have* heard, \"Ugh that guy is so difficult to work with\" or \"always comes across so patronizing, I'd rather not be bothered.\" In any event, if I feel like I'm not on the same page as someone I might bring it up like, \"So what do you think about (whatever).\" If there *is* confusion, usually that's when it comes up with a reply like \"Man I dunno, I'm still unclear on (such and such).\" And you take it from there.","human_ref_B":"What a great question? Luckily I'm happy to say when I fail to understand something, or forget something, but must be stressful covering up your gaps if you've ended up in such a situation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1074.0,"score_ratio":9.0} +{"post_id":"qxpadt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How to explain a technical concept behind closed doors to a senior person too embarrassed to openly admit that they don\u2019t understand it? I took the title of this question from a nice list by Camille Fournier. Asking it here because I feel it's probably common to many technical fields. As a senior engineer who is (still?) passionate about the domain I work in, I am often in situations where my less passionate colleagues may feel embarrassed, or even threatened by my style of work. As the domain is also my hobby, I spend a lot of personal time refining my skills, so I'm often the person who introduces my team to new tools or watches over good engineering practices in cases where making shortcuts is especially tempting. Do you have any tips, suggestions, or maybe anecdotes on how to deal with senior engineers (in age, in experience) who might be unwilling to admit that they might be missing knowledge, maybe on new developments in the industry, or maybe some basic knowledge that they somehow missed in their career?","c_root_id_A":"hlbky2q","c_root_id_B":"hlbck8h","created_at_utc_A":1637364793,"created_at_utc_B":1637361291,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Sometimes if I recognize that people are drifting off a bit while I try to explain something (especially sales) I'll say something like \"Look, I know I'm throwing a lot out there in a short span of time. I don't need you to remember all this now, but I'll be happy to meet with any of you separately if you want to have a more detailed discussion about this or you want me to answer some more questions.\" The schedule the meeting someplace with a white board and maybe come to the meeting prepared with some prepared diagrams or flowcharts.","human_ref_B":"What a great question? Luckily I'm happy to say when I fail to understand something, or forget something, but must be stressful covering up your gaps if you've ended up in such a situation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3502.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"t2obv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What's the best way to cool down solar panels? If either the front or back surface of a solar panel can be cooled, the power output of the panel goes up. So far I've browsed the internet and haven't seen very many ways of cooling a panel. Misting water over the front of the panel (which can cause mineral build-up, so that's a bit of a downside... plus power to pump the water); letting de-io water run down the front of the panel then catching it to fill up a water heater (passive solar techniquies, but still need pump power); moving air via fans on the back side of the panel (active method, requires lots of power); increasing the distance from the roof to the panel by about 4ft to allow for better free convection; and finally cold water pipes running along the back of the panel (again, pump power). I also saw combinations of these mentioned online as well. Are there any other methods avaliable to cool down solar panels that might be economically viable?","c_root_id_A":"c4j3uaq","c_root_id_B":"c4j0wdt","created_at_utc_A":1335948635,"created_at_utc_B":1335929267,"score_A":8,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"The best thing to do is to salvage the heat for some other process. Such as if you have a swimming pool, put your solar panels on a heat exchanger and circulate your pool water through it. Then you have a heated pool AND more efficient PV. It's not going to be a huge difference in your pool, but noticeable. The only real gains are going to be if you can use both ends of the system. You need to do something with the heat.","human_ref_B":"Every method you described that is a form of active cooling is out. The power cost of doing that is not worth it. You need to look into passive methods, as Crispyfry noted, the posistion of the panels, ensuring they have ventilation is about the best you can hope for. Additionally, you could consider passive heat spreaders, this is what one that would normally be used on a CPU looks like - However, you would have a high cost of raw materials and setup, and truthfully, I don't know if the investment would ever be returned.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19368.0,"score_ratio":1.6} +{"post_id":"zligr9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"What happens when malicious parties create chat-gpt level AI? The monumental issue I foresee is when malicious parties (say russia, china) get their hands on this tech. This will upend so many standards that we take for granted on the internet. Like assuming who you're talking to online is a real person. Someone could make bots that intelligently spread misinformation online & create convincing arguments for their false claims. Or the bots could claim to be a member of and intentionally portray the party in a negative light to influence elections. The possibilities are seriously frightening.","c_root_id_A":"j05j1ue","c_root_id_B":"j05jc07","created_at_utc_A":1670995588,"created_at_utc_B":1670995752,"score_A":5,"score_B":65,"human_ref_A":"Who cares? There is already too much propaganda in the internet.","human_ref_B":"\u201cspread misinformation online\u201d Honestly, just about everything you see on the internet is fake already. Heck, some of this existed even before internet, but nonetheless, the internet has already amplified it. Also, they don\u2019t need chatbots to do this. They already hire people to post and pretend to be multiple people on the internet already.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":164.0,"score_ratio":13.0} +{"post_id":"zligr9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"What happens when malicious parties create chat-gpt level AI? The monumental issue I foresee is when malicious parties (say russia, china) get their hands on this tech. This will upend so many standards that we take for granted on the internet. Like assuming who you're talking to online is a real person. Someone could make bots that intelligently spread misinformation online & create convincing arguments for their false claims. Or the bots could claim to be a member of and intentionally portray the party in a negative light to influence elections. The possibilities are seriously frightening.","c_root_id_A":"j05j1ue","c_root_id_B":"j05p1ln","created_at_utc_A":1670995588,"created_at_utc_B":1670999405,"score_A":5,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Who cares? There is already too much propaganda in the internet.","human_ref_B":"The problem you're talking about is basically a Turing Test-passing chat bot that will get in a conversation with you and convince you that it's a human, and that you should change to its way of thinking. I would argue that this would be a weird method of propaganda. Most propaganda is basically static. People fill in the rest on their own. But a strategically-placed \"news story\", or images and memes, or entire static \"news source\" websites don't require *conversation* that convinces you they're real. All they need to do is say the right things, and of course perpetuate the probably naturally-occuring societal division that causes you to seek out confirming positions anyway. If you wonder whether this could be a problem, let me ask you: how many chat penpals do you have online? Like, people you regularly talk to\/chat with and share opinions with, but who you don't know in \"real life\"? Back in the late 90s and early 2000, this was something we used to do. AOL had a whole service dedicated to matching kids with other kids as \"penpals\" that could use its email service or this new thing called AIM to write short messages to one another instantly. I'm sure such things still exist, but who on earth goes on them?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3817.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"zligr9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"What happens when malicious parties create chat-gpt level AI? The monumental issue I foresee is when malicious parties (say russia, china) get their hands on this tech. This will upend so many standards that we take for granted on the internet. Like assuming who you're talking to online is a real person. Someone could make bots that intelligently spread misinformation online & create convincing arguments for their false claims. Or the bots could claim to be a member of and intentionally portray the party in a negative light to influence elections. The possibilities are seriously frightening.","c_root_id_A":"j05lwwm","c_root_id_B":"j05p1ln","created_at_utc_A":1670997302,"created_at_utc_B":1670999405,"score_A":5,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"An arms race will be conducted with measures and countermeasures","human_ref_B":"The problem you're talking about is basically a Turing Test-passing chat bot that will get in a conversation with you and convince you that it's a human, and that you should change to its way of thinking. I would argue that this would be a weird method of propaganda. Most propaganda is basically static. People fill in the rest on their own. But a strategically-placed \"news story\", or images and memes, or entire static \"news source\" websites don't require *conversation* that convinces you they're real. All they need to do is say the right things, and of course perpetuate the probably naturally-occuring societal division that causes you to seek out confirming positions anyway. If you wonder whether this could be a problem, let me ask you: how many chat penpals do you have online? Like, people you regularly talk to\/chat with and share opinions with, but who you don't know in \"real life\"? Back in the late 90s and early 2000, this was something we used to do. AOL had a whole service dedicated to matching kids with other kids as \"penpals\" that could use its email service or this new thing called AIM to write short messages to one another instantly. I'm sure such things still exist, but who on earth goes on them?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2103.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"zligr9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"What happens when malicious parties create chat-gpt level AI? The monumental issue I foresee is when malicious parties (say russia, china) get their hands on this tech. This will upend so many standards that we take for granted on the internet. Like assuming who you're talking to online is a real person. Someone could make bots that intelligently spread misinformation online & create convincing arguments for their false claims. Or the bots could claim to be a member of and intentionally portray the party in a negative light to influence elections. The possibilities are seriously frightening.","c_root_id_A":"j05j1ue","c_root_id_B":"j06uau8","created_at_utc_A":1670995588,"created_at_utc_B":1671027980,"score_A":5,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Who cares? There is already too much propaganda in the internet.","human_ref_B":"This is some doomer shit. 1. chat-gpt is not that smart 2. We already have shitloads of people agendaposting. Real actual people who can think. >Or the bots could claim to be a member of and intentionally portray the party in a negative light to influence elections. Real people can do this already. I really don't get why you're so afraid of a bot doing the same thing real people are already doing","labels":0,"seconds_difference":32392.0,"score_ratio":1.6} +{"post_id":"zligr9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"What happens when malicious parties create chat-gpt level AI? The monumental issue I foresee is when malicious parties (say russia, china) get their hands on this tech. This will upend so many standards that we take for granted on the internet. Like assuming who you're talking to online is a real person. Someone could make bots that intelligently spread misinformation online & create convincing arguments for their false claims. Or the bots could claim to be a member of and intentionally portray the party in a negative light to influence elections. The possibilities are seriously frightening.","c_root_id_A":"j05lwwm","c_root_id_B":"j06uau8","created_at_utc_A":1670997302,"created_at_utc_B":1671027980,"score_A":5,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"An arms race will be conducted with measures and countermeasures","human_ref_B":"This is some doomer shit. 1. chat-gpt is not that smart 2. We already have shitloads of people agendaposting. Real actual people who can think. >Or the bots could claim to be a member of and intentionally portray the party in a negative light to influence elections. Real people can do this already. I really don't get why you're so afraid of a bot doing the same thing real people are already doing","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30678.0,"score_ratio":1.6} +{"post_id":"zligr9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"What happens when malicious parties create chat-gpt level AI? The monumental issue I foresee is when malicious parties (say russia, china) get their hands on this tech. This will upend so many standards that we take for granted on the internet. Like assuming who you're talking to online is a real person. Someone could make bots that intelligently spread misinformation online & create convincing arguments for their false claims. Or the bots could claim to be a member of and intentionally portray the party in a negative light to influence elections. The possibilities are seriously frightening.","c_root_id_A":"j06uau8","c_root_id_B":"j06l4dr","created_at_utc_A":1671027980,"created_at_utc_B":1671023584,"score_A":8,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This is some doomer shit. 1. chat-gpt is not that smart 2. We already have shitloads of people agendaposting. Real actual people who can think. >Or the bots could claim to be a member of and intentionally portray the party in a negative light to influence elections. Real people can do this already. I really don't get why you're so afraid of a bot doing the same thing real people are already doing","human_ref_B":"https:\/\/www.smbc-comics.com\/comic\/villainy-2","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4396.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"zligr9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"What happens when malicious parties create chat-gpt level AI? The monumental issue I foresee is when malicious parties (say russia, china) get their hands on this tech. This will upend so many standards that we take for granted on the internet. Like assuming who you're talking to online is a real person. Someone could make bots that intelligently spread misinformation online & create convincing arguments for their false claims. Or the bots could claim to be a member of and intentionally portray the party in a negative light to influence elections. The possibilities are seriously frightening.","c_root_id_A":"j06l4dr","c_root_id_B":"j06x4mg","created_at_utc_A":1671023584,"created_at_utc_B":1671029218,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"https:\/\/www.smbc-comics.com\/comic\/villainy-2","human_ref_B":"The technology to prevent this already exists in the form of PGP, PKI and Double Ratchet Algorithm. Unfortunately the wide adoption of such security technologies runs deeply against the interests of every single government and commercial organization. If adopted these algorithms will prevent anyone from spying on anyone else, including the US government, google and anyone else you'd care to name. This means that if somehow this becomes widespread it will likely be made illegal in order to prevent people from using it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5634.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"yqoioe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Which port is more susceptible to wear - lightning or usb c? Design wise - which one is more durable and reliable, and is able to sustain heavier use? Will any of the ports actually wear out if there are no moving parts inside the port, or will only the cables become worn?","c_root_id_A":"ivq078i","c_root_id_B":"ivposx3","created_at_utc_A":1668022869,"created_at_utc_B":1668018407,"score_A":79,"score_B":73,"human_ref_A":"USB-C receptacles are both designed for a minimum rated lifetime of 10,000 cycles of insertion and removal.","human_ref_B":"I heard that with lightning the port will wear out before the cable end, which is not what you want.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4462.0,"score_ratio":1.0821917808} +{"post_id":"yqoioe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Which port is more susceptible to wear - lightning or usb c? Design wise - which one is more durable and reliable, and is able to sustain heavier use? Will any of the ports actually wear out if there are no moving parts inside the port, or will only the cables become worn?","c_root_id_A":"ivpwkfa","c_root_id_B":"ivq078i","created_at_utc_A":1668021437,"created_at_utc_B":1668022869,"score_A":14,"score_B":79,"human_ref_A":"You know you've been reading too many war related posts when you read this is \"which port is more susceptible to war\"....","human_ref_B":"USB-C receptacles are both designed for a minimum rated lifetime of 10,000 cycles of insertion and removal.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1432.0,"score_ratio":5.6428571429} +{"post_id":"yqoioe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Which port is more susceptible to wear - lightning or usb c? Design wise - which one is more durable and reliable, and is able to sustain heavier use? Will any of the ports actually wear out if there are no moving parts inside the port, or will only the cables become worn?","c_root_id_A":"ivr8ilr","c_root_id_B":"ivrzwrc","created_at_utc_A":1668040893,"created_at_utc_B":1668053866,"score_A":38,"score_B":65,"human_ref_A":"USB-C should last longer. Ask yourself who has the moving parts There are spring pins that have to engage the metal contacts. Spring pins wear out. USB-C puts the spring pins in the cable. Lightning puts them in the port. Is it easier to replace the cable or the phone?","human_ref_B":"I've tested both extensively for work (alongside microUSB) and in terms of mechanical reliability Lightning wins by a a long shot. Tests run: * Insertion\/extraction cycling (gave up around 40,000 cycles on Lightning) * Bend testing (upwards, downwards, and torsional) * Liquid exposure + charging -- Lightning wins here by a huge margin. I believe they use rhodium plating on their contacts to protect them from corrosion Edit: I would **love** to share the PowerPoint slides (full of nice graphs and pictures of test setups) with all of you since we're engineers and nerds, but my employer owns the data and I don't want to get fired. Also I might accidentally doxx myself :o","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12973.0,"score_ratio":1.7105263158} +{"post_id":"yqoioe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Which port is more susceptible to wear - lightning or usb c? Design wise - which one is more durable and reliable, and is able to sustain heavier use? Will any of the ports actually wear out if there are no moving parts inside the port, or will only the cables become worn?","c_root_id_A":"ivr4bwp","c_root_id_B":"ivrzwrc","created_at_utc_A":1668038998,"created_at_utc_B":1668053866,"score_A":19,"score_B":65,"human_ref_A":"Data isn't publicly available to my knowledge. The USB-C 2.2 spec is available for download here: https:\/\/usb.org\/document-library\/usb-type-cr-cable-and-connector-specification-release-22. Page 134, section 3.8.1.3 confirms what's already been said about a 10,000 insertion\/removal designed lifecycle: >The durability rating shall be 10,000 cycles minimum for the USB Type-C connector family. The durability test shall be done at a rate of 500 \u00b1 50 cycles per hour and no physical damage to any part of the connector and cable assembly shall occur. The spec also defines mechanical parameters like allowable insertion or removal force. There are lots of other sources out there that offer opinions, but not from what I've seen anything on the level of rigorous testing to back it up. My sense is that if you're asking in \/r\/askengineers, adding more opinions to the pile isn't really helping clarity. What we've got is data for USB-C and none for Lightning. It could be there's a real difference, but if we're saying there is, genuine question: how would we know? What is our basis for saying so? Does that really live up to the standard of being an engineering-based perspective?","human_ref_B":"I've tested both extensively for work (alongside microUSB) and in terms of mechanical reliability Lightning wins by a a long shot. Tests run: * Insertion\/extraction cycling (gave up around 40,000 cycles on Lightning) * Bend testing (upwards, downwards, and torsional) * Liquid exposure + charging -- Lightning wins here by a huge margin. I believe they use rhodium plating on their contacts to protect them from corrosion Edit: I would **love** to share the PowerPoint slides (full of nice graphs and pictures of test setups) with all of you since we're engineers and nerds, but my employer owns the data and I don't want to get fired. Also I might accidentally doxx myself :o","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14868.0,"score_ratio":3.4210526316} +{"post_id":"yqoioe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Which port is more susceptible to wear - lightning or usb c? Design wise - which one is more durable and reliable, and is able to sustain heavier use? Will any of the ports actually wear out if there are no moving parts inside the port, or will only the cables become worn?","c_root_id_A":"ivpwkfa","c_root_id_B":"ivrzwrc","created_at_utc_A":1668021437,"created_at_utc_B":1668053866,"score_A":14,"score_B":65,"human_ref_A":"You know you've been reading too many war related posts when you read this is \"which port is more susceptible to war\"....","human_ref_B":"I've tested both extensively for work (alongside microUSB) and in terms of mechanical reliability Lightning wins by a a long shot. Tests run: * Insertion\/extraction cycling (gave up around 40,000 cycles on Lightning) * Bend testing (upwards, downwards, and torsional) * Liquid exposure + charging -- Lightning wins here by a huge margin. I believe they use rhodium plating on their contacts to protect them from corrosion Edit: I would **love** to share the PowerPoint slides (full of nice graphs and pictures of test setups) with all of you since we're engineers and nerds, but my employer owns the data and I don't want to get fired. Also I might accidentally doxx myself :o","labels":0,"seconds_difference":32429.0,"score_ratio":4.6428571429} +{"post_id":"yqoioe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Which port is more susceptible to wear - lightning or usb c? Design wise - which one is more durable and reliable, and is able to sustain heavier use? Will any of the ports actually wear out if there are no moving parts inside the port, or will only the cables become worn?","c_root_id_A":"ivrzwrc","c_root_id_B":"ivriqo6","created_at_utc_A":1668053866,"created_at_utc_B":1668045542,"score_A":65,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I've tested both extensively for work (alongside microUSB) and in terms of mechanical reliability Lightning wins by a a long shot. Tests run: * Insertion\/extraction cycling (gave up around 40,000 cycles on Lightning) * Bend testing (upwards, downwards, and torsional) * Liquid exposure + charging -- Lightning wins here by a huge margin. I believe they use rhodium plating on their contacts to protect them from corrosion Edit: I would **love** to share the PowerPoint slides (full of nice graphs and pictures of test setups) with all of you since we're engineers and nerds, but my employer owns the data and I don't want to get fired. Also I might accidentally doxx myself :o","human_ref_B":"It's irrelevant when the cable jacket is made from eggshell.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8324.0,"score_ratio":13.0} +{"post_id":"yqoioe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Which port is more susceptible to wear - lightning or usb c? Design wise - which one is more durable and reliable, and is able to sustain heavier use? Will any of the ports actually wear out if there are no moving parts inside the port, or will only the cables become worn?","c_root_id_A":"ivr4bwp","c_root_id_B":"ivr8ilr","created_at_utc_A":1668038998,"created_at_utc_B":1668040893,"score_A":19,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"Data isn't publicly available to my knowledge. The USB-C 2.2 spec is available for download here: https:\/\/usb.org\/document-library\/usb-type-cr-cable-and-connector-specification-release-22. Page 134, section 3.8.1.3 confirms what's already been said about a 10,000 insertion\/removal designed lifecycle: >The durability rating shall be 10,000 cycles minimum for the USB Type-C connector family. The durability test shall be done at a rate of 500 \u00b1 50 cycles per hour and no physical damage to any part of the connector and cable assembly shall occur. The spec also defines mechanical parameters like allowable insertion or removal force. There are lots of other sources out there that offer opinions, but not from what I've seen anything on the level of rigorous testing to back it up. My sense is that if you're asking in \/r\/askengineers, adding more opinions to the pile isn't really helping clarity. What we've got is data for USB-C and none for Lightning. It could be there's a real difference, but if we're saying there is, genuine question: how would we know? What is our basis for saying so? Does that really live up to the standard of being an engineering-based perspective?","human_ref_B":"USB-C should last longer. Ask yourself who has the moving parts There are spring pins that have to engage the metal contacts. Spring pins wear out. USB-C puts the spring pins in the cable. Lightning puts them in the port. Is it easier to replace the cable or the phone?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1895.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"yqoioe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Which port is more susceptible to wear - lightning or usb c? Design wise - which one is more durable and reliable, and is able to sustain heavier use? Will any of the ports actually wear out if there are no moving parts inside the port, or will only the cables become worn?","c_root_id_A":"ivpwkfa","c_root_id_B":"ivr8ilr","created_at_utc_A":1668021437,"created_at_utc_B":1668040893,"score_A":14,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"You know you've been reading too many war related posts when you read this is \"which port is more susceptible to war\"....","human_ref_B":"USB-C should last longer. Ask yourself who has the moving parts There are spring pins that have to engage the metal contacts. Spring pins wear out. USB-C puts the spring pins in the cable. Lightning puts them in the port. Is it easier to replace the cable or the phone?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19456.0,"score_ratio":2.7142857143} +{"post_id":"yqoioe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Which port is more susceptible to wear - lightning or usb c? Design wise - which one is more durable and reliable, and is able to sustain heavier use? Will any of the ports actually wear out if there are no moving parts inside the port, or will only the cables become worn?","c_root_id_A":"ivr4bwp","c_root_id_B":"ivpwkfa","created_at_utc_A":1668038998,"created_at_utc_B":1668021437,"score_A":19,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Data isn't publicly available to my knowledge. The USB-C 2.2 spec is available for download here: https:\/\/usb.org\/document-library\/usb-type-cr-cable-and-connector-specification-release-22. Page 134, section 3.8.1.3 confirms what's already been said about a 10,000 insertion\/removal designed lifecycle: >The durability rating shall be 10,000 cycles minimum for the USB Type-C connector family. The durability test shall be done at a rate of 500 \u00b1 50 cycles per hour and no physical damage to any part of the connector and cable assembly shall occur. The spec also defines mechanical parameters like allowable insertion or removal force. There are lots of other sources out there that offer opinions, but not from what I've seen anything on the level of rigorous testing to back it up. My sense is that if you're asking in \/r\/askengineers, adding more opinions to the pile isn't really helping clarity. What we've got is data for USB-C and none for Lightning. It could be there's a real difference, but if we're saying there is, genuine question: how would we know? What is our basis for saying so? Does that really live up to the standard of being an engineering-based perspective?","human_ref_B":"You know you've been reading too many war related posts when you read this is \"which port is more susceptible to war\"....","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17561.0,"score_ratio":1.3571428571} +{"post_id":"oxjtm6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"How the pandemic has led to changes in communication at your workplace? I'll start first. More meetings. We only had one board room and maybe one empty office so people really limited their meetings. Now it's whenever people feel like, before\/after business hours, during lunch, triple booking, several hour long meetings. I can hardly find a time where I can 100% focus on completing my experiments. How's your experience?","c_root_id_A":"h7n3n3a","c_root_id_B":"h7n6ojb","created_at_utc_A":1628051472,"created_at_utc_B":1628053407,"score_A":6,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"A few changes I've noticed: * Way more telecom meetings not only internally, but also with clients and with jurisdictions. This is a huge time and cost savings. * My email traffic on Friday is much lower. Before the pandemic, Friday was just as busy as other days. * More clients and colleagues working odd hours. I see various people working at random hours, presumably whenever is convenient or best for them.","human_ref_B":"We \"worked from home\". AKA no one actually did any useful work. Meetings moved from conference rooms to WebEx. Which was terrible enough on its own. But then our wonderful \"IT department\" decided to really shit on our faces by replacing WebEx with this utter shitshow Microsoft calls \"Teams\" shortly after. Overall, \"communication\" went from bad to worse.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1935.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"oxjtm6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"How the pandemic has led to changes in communication at your workplace? I'll start first. More meetings. We only had one board room and maybe one empty office so people really limited their meetings. Now it's whenever people feel like, before\/after business hours, during lunch, triple booking, several hour long meetings. I can hardly find a time where I can 100% focus on completing my experiments. How's your experience?","c_root_id_A":"h7mxbll","c_root_id_B":"h7n6ojb","created_at_utc_A":1628047794,"created_at_utc_B":1628053407,"score_A":5,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Less meetings. We have moved our daily engineer meeting to bullets via Outlook groups which all get forwarded to management. Let's us get an extra hour of work in every day.","human_ref_B":"We \"worked from home\". AKA no one actually did any useful work. Meetings moved from conference rooms to WebEx. Which was terrible enough on its own. But then our wonderful \"IT department\" decided to really shit on our faces by replacing WebEx with this utter shitshow Microsoft calls \"Teams\" shortly after. Overall, \"communication\" went from bad to worse.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5613.0,"score_ratio":1.8} +{"post_id":"oxjtm6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"How the pandemic has led to changes in communication at your workplace? I'll start first. More meetings. We only had one board room and maybe one empty office so people really limited their meetings. Now it's whenever people feel like, before\/after business hours, during lunch, triple booking, several hour long meetings. I can hardly find a time where I can 100% focus on completing my experiments. How's your experience?","c_root_id_A":"h7myysb","c_root_id_B":"h7n6ojb","created_at_utc_A":1628048716,"created_at_utc_B":1628053407,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"We use zoom meetings more often between plants instead of traveling an hour to go there. Mostly business as usual since we came back from lay off last May 2020.","human_ref_B":"We \"worked from home\". AKA no one actually did any useful work. Meetings moved from conference rooms to WebEx. Which was terrible enough on its own. But then our wonderful \"IT department\" decided to really shit on our faces by replacing WebEx with this utter shitshow Microsoft calls \"Teams\" shortly after. Overall, \"communication\" went from bad to worse.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4691.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"oxjtm6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"How the pandemic has led to changes in communication at your workplace? I'll start first. More meetings. We only had one board room and maybe one empty office so people really limited their meetings. Now it's whenever people feel like, before\/after business hours, during lunch, triple booking, several hour long meetings. I can hardly find a time where I can 100% focus on completing my experiments. How's your experience?","c_root_id_A":"h7mxbll","c_root_id_B":"h7n3n3a","created_at_utc_A":1628047794,"created_at_utc_B":1628051472,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Less meetings. We have moved our daily engineer meeting to bullets via Outlook groups which all get forwarded to management. Let's us get an extra hour of work in every day.","human_ref_B":"A few changes I've noticed: * Way more telecom meetings not only internally, but also with clients and with jurisdictions. This is a huge time and cost savings. * My email traffic on Friday is much lower. Before the pandemic, Friday was just as busy as other days. * More clients and colleagues working odd hours. I see various people working at random hours, presumably whenever is convenient or best for them.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3678.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"oxjtm6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"How the pandemic has led to changes in communication at your workplace? I'll start first. More meetings. We only had one board room and maybe one empty office so people really limited their meetings. Now it's whenever people feel like, before\/after business hours, during lunch, triple booking, several hour long meetings. I can hardly find a time where I can 100% focus on completing my experiments. How's your experience?","c_root_id_A":"h7myysb","c_root_id_B":"h7n3n3a","created_at_utc_A":1628048716,"created_at_utc_B":1628051472,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"We use zoom meetings more often between plants instead of traveling an hour to go there. Mostly business as usual since we came back from lay off last May 2020.","human_ref_B":"A few changes I've noticed: * Way more telecom meetings not only internally, but also with clients and with jurisdictions. This is a huge time and cost savings. * My email traffic on Friday is much lower. Before the pandemic, Friday was just as busy as other days. * More clients and colleagues working odd hours. I see various people working at random hours, presumably whenever is convenient or best for them.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2756.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"987qu1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"After being an engineer for 8 years or more, what was the hardest thing you learned on the job? After being an engineer for 8 years or more, what was the hardest thing you learned on the job?","c_root_id_A":"e4e075x","c_root_id_B":"e4dzs9y","created_at_utc_A":1534557004,"created_at_utc_B":1534556555,"score_A":30,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"That it\u2019s 10% real engineering and 90% social engineering","human_ref_B":"Saying no when it is necessary, and doing so in a politically correct and defensible way.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":449.0,"score_ratio":7.5} +{"post_id":"987qu1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"After being an engineer for 8 years or more, what was the hardest thing you learned on the job? 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You interrupted my work for this!? Where the f*** is my good screwdriver!? If you could stop pretending you know how to do my job better than I can that would be great. Yeah offer me another suggestion on how to format my emails go ahead while I mentally picture running you over in the parking lot. I want no more helpful suggestions from people not personally willing to do the work. The last time I helped you I ended up on a ladder in a thunderstorm trying to use a screw driver to push tiny buttons so if you could f*** off right now. What I say: I see. Duly noted.","human_ref_B":"Saying no when it is necessary, and doing so in a politically correct and defensible way.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3755.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"987qu1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"After being an engineer for 8 years or more, what was the hardest thing you learned on the job? 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After being an engineer for 8 years or more, what was the hardest thing you learned on the job?","c_root_id_A":"e4egqex","c_root_id_B":"e4ekxbq","created_at_utc_A":1534581991,"created_at_utc_B":1534591405,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"The toughest for me was learning just how little other people think about or care about your work. When i was about 3-4 years in, i designed a system that would improve reliability and save a facility more than 30,000 gallons of Diesel per month. I spent weeks ironing out all the kinks, sizing equipment, building redundancy. The facility owners barely even glanced at it and said, \"How much Solar can you give us?\" I was pretty angry. They would rather buy more solar than they needed, simply because it's sexier, and more visibly \"green\", but they would still have to burn 30k gallons of diesel per month, because that's how their system was built.","human_ref_B":"That the company doesn't need to to function. 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After being an engineer for 8 years or more, what was the hardest thing you learned on the job?","c_root_id_A":"e4dzs9y","c_root_id_B":"e4ekxbq","created_at_utc_A":1534556555,"created_at_utc_B":1534591405,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Saying no when it is necessary, and doing so in a politically correct and defensible way.","human_ref_B":"That the company doesn't need to to function. In a large corporation you can and will be replaced it the bottom line needs it, and they'll still continue to be a company without you. Work hard, do a good job, but remember you will regret spending too much time at work if you miss life for your company.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":34850.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"987qu1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"After being an engineer for 8 years or more, what was the hardest thing you learned on the job? After being an engineer for 8 years or more, what was the hardest thing you learned on the job?","c_root_id_A":"e4ekxbq","c_root_id_B":"e4ec02g","created_at_utc_A":1534591405,"created_at_utc_B":1534572348,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"That the company doesn't need to to function. In a large corporation you can and will be replaced it the bottom line needs it, and they'll still continue to be a company without you. Work hard, do a good job, but remember you will regret spending too much time at work if you miss life for your company.","human_ref_B":"Managing managers upwards. My department is often oversold and we perpetually under-deliver as a result of promises managers can't delivery (or have direct impact to help). 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After being an engineer for 8 years or more, what was the hardest thing you learned on the job?","c_root_id_A":"e4e8oly","c_root_id_B":"e4ec02g","created_at_utc_A":1534567178,"created_at_utc_B":1534572348,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Murphy's Law","human_ref_B":"Managing managers upwards. My department is often oversold and we perpetually under-deliver as a result of promises managers can't delivery (or have direct impact to help). Also: working with represented workers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5170.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"qqqhmz","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Why is the \"Currently Enrolled In a Program\" such a hard-and-fast and universal rule for internship opportunities? I can see why it may be more common than not or why it would make sense from larger higher-tier companies but is it really necessary that the best door into the industry and to get mentorship experience and career path affirmation to be 99.99% closed (I've seen maybe 3 or so internships that was open to graduates in my many job applications). Do the benefits of employer risk-assessment (low-wage, no long-term employee benefits and an end of contract that has to be extended) really not leave room for onboarding graduates who didn't intern at the company to go through an internship program at smaller scale or \"less competitive\" companies ?","c_root_id_A":"hk2c7w8","c_root_id_B":"hk24e8l","created_at_utc_A":1636550545,"created_at_utc_B":1636546060,"score_A":36,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I think government gives tax credits only if you're a student. So I comes down to cost","human_ref_B":"I can see where you\u2019re coming from. In my company we call that entry level. When I got out of school I started an entry level program with the local telecom. That first year I spent many weeks in training. While I was given tasks that I could do right out of college, they were training me for other more technical engineering tasks. Every large company I have ever worked for had those programs (ATT, GE, various DoD). None of the smaller engineering firms had it. I\u2019ve worked at 2 very large companies, 2 medium and 3 small. Only the large and medium companies had it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4485.0,"score_ratio":9.0} +{"post_id":"9qx6g8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"When drying clothes, will using the lowest heat for a longer time use less power than running it at the highest heat for a shorter time?","c_root_id_A":"e8citjs","c_root_id_B":"e8cokql","created_at_utc_A":1540365756,"created_at_utc_B":1540379015,"score_A":28,"score_B":76,"human_ref_A":"Disclaimer: I'm not particularly familiar with the inner-workings of dryers. Tl;dr, I would imagine there's a thermal sweet spot, and most dryers run near it (for energy efficiency) but tend to run slightly above it (for reduction in dry time). Long answer - dryers really output 2 types of energy - mechanical energy in the tumbler\/ventilation mechanisms, and heat. Without the tumbling\/vent mechanisms, clothes would just cook in place, and the free moisture wouldn't have anywhere to go. Without the heat, you're basically hang-drying your clothes in the wind. For manufacturers, the real trick is to find what amount of heat vs tumbling that best satisfies dryer buyers. Most consumers want an efficient\/eco-friendly dryer (especially an energy star rating), one that dries clothes very well, and one that dries them reasonably quickly. So different manufacturers optimize their dryers differently, and it's hard to tell where each one lies on the spectrum of how it spends its energy. If the point of this post was to see if you could stretch your dollar, I can only really suggest you experiment as you go, and Google it a bunch.","human_ref_B":"So my apartment has a \"fancy\" new model dryer that has an 'energy saver' setting, which takes ~2X as long to dry the clothes, but does so at a lower heat. I am going to assuming that the engineers and certifying agencies did testing to prove that was actually an energy saving method of drying clothes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13259.0,"score_ratio":2.7142857143} +{"post_id":"9qx6g8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"When drying clothes, will using the lowest heat for a longer time use less power than running it at the highest heat for a shorter time?","c_root_id_A":"e8cokql","c_root_id_B":"e8ckwnr","created_at_utc_A":1540379015,"created_at_utc_B":1540371889,"score_A":76,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"So my apartment has a \"fancy\" new model dryer that has an 'energy saver' setting, which takes ~2X as long to dry the clothes, but does so at a lower heat. I am going to assuming that the engineers and certifying agencies did testing to prove that was actually an energy saving method of drying clothes.","human_ref_B":"If you leave the clothes without applying any heat at all they would dry eventually. If we accept that as a limit case we can say that drying the clothes slower saves energy.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7126.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"9qx6g8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"When drying clothes, will using the lowest heat for a longer time use less power than running it at the highest heat for a shorter time?","c_root_id_A":"e8cokql","c_root_id_B":"e8cnimi","created_at_utc_A":1540379015,"created_at_utc_B":1540377227,"score_A":76,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"So my apartment has a \"fancy\" new model dryer that has an 'energy saver' setting, which takes ~2X as long to dry the clothes, but does so at a lower heat. I am going to assuming that the engineers and certifying agencies did testing to prove that was actually an energy saving method of drying clothes.","human_ref_B":"The solution will be highly dependent on ambient humidity and motor\/fan power consumption.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1788.0,"score_ratio":9.5} +{"post_id":"9qx6g8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"When drying clothes, will using the lowest heat for a longer time use less power than running it at the highest heat for a shorter time?","c_root_id_A":"e8cnoww","c_root_id_B":"e8cokql","created_at_utc_A":1540377535,"created_at_utc_B":1540379015,"score_A":6,"score_B":76,"human_ref_A":"Consider this: any extra heat your clothes come out of the drier with is \u201cwaste\u201d heat, in that it didn\u2019t contribute to the evaporation of water. Therefore, slow and low is the way to go.","human_ref_B":"So my apartment has a \"fancy\" new model dryer that has an 'energy saver' setting, which takes ~2X as long to dry the clothes, but does so at a lower heat. I am going to assuming that the engineers and certifying agencies did testing to prove that was actually an energy saving method of drying clothes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1480.0,"score_ratio":12.6666666667} +{"post_id":"9qx6g8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"When drying clothes, will using the lowest heat for a longer time use less power than running it at the highest heat for a shorter time?","c_root_id_A":"e8cte2i","c_root_id_B":"e8cpdrm","created_at_utc_A":1540385285,"created_at_utc_B":1540380280,"score_A":17,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Just put a meter on it and conduct the experiment.","human_ref_B":"It's worth saying that if there is an option to air dry on a washing line it is easily the most efficient. Given that heating is such a huge part of most people's energy usage it's about the single most effective way to reduce your power usage for a once off cost of a dollar or two.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5005.0,"score_ratio":1.3076923077} +{"post_id":"9qx6g8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"When drying clothes, will using the lowest heat for a longer time use less power than running it at the highest heat for a shorter time?","c_root_id_A":"e8cte2i","c_root_id_B":"e8cnimi","created_at_utc_A":1540385285,"created_at_utc_B":1540377227,"score_A":17,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Just put a meter on it and conduct the experiment.","human_ref_B":"The solution will be highly dependent on ambient humidity and motor\/fan power consumption.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8058.0,"score_ratio":2.125} +{"post_id":"9qx6g8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"When drying clothes, will using the lowest heat for a longer time use less power than running it at the highest heat for a shorter time?","c_root_id_A":"e8cnoww","c_root_id_B":"e8cte2i","created_at_utc_A":1540377535,"created_at_utc_B":1540385285,"score_A":6,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Consider this: any extra heat your clothes come out of the drier with is \u201cwaste\u201d heat, in that it didn\u2019t contribute to the evaporation of water. Therefore, slow and low is the way to go.","human_ref_B":"Just put a meter on it and conduct the experiment.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7750.0,"score_ratio":2.8333333333} +{"post_id":"9qx6g8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"When drying clothes, will using the lowest heat for a longer time use less power than running it at the highest heat for a shorter time?","c_root_id_A":"e8cpdrm","c_root_id_B":"e8cnimi","created_at_utc_A":1540380280,"created_at_utc_B":1540377227,"score_A":13,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"It's worth saying that if there is an option to air dry on a washing line it is easily the most efficient. Given that heating is such a huge part of most people's energy usage it's about the single most effective way to reduce your power usage for a once off cost of a dollar or two.","human_ref_B":"The solution will be highly dependent on ambient humidity and motor\/fan power consumption.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3053.0,"score_ratio":1.625} +{"post_id":"9qx6g8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"When drying clothes, will using the lowest heat for a longer time use less power than running it at the highest heat for a shorter time?","c_root_id_A":"e8cnoww","c_root_id_B":"e8cpdrm","created_at_utc_A":1540377535,"created_at_utc_B":1540380280,"score_A":6,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Consider this: any extra heat your clothes come out of the drier with is \u201cwaste\u201d heat, in that it didn\u2019t contribute to the evaporation of water. 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When drying with the EE setting (about 2hrs), it used half the amount of energy than without the EE setting (about 1hr). IIRC with EE setting it used 2kWh\/load and without 4kWh. Edit: halfed the kWh figures","human_ref_B":"The solution will be highly dependent on ambient humidity and motor\/fan power consumption.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12079.0,"score_ratio":1.125} +{"post_id":"9qx6g8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"When drying clothes, will using the lowest heat for a longer time use less power than running it at the highest heat for a shorter time?","c_root_id_A":"e8cnoww","c_root_id_B":"e8cxgri","created_at_utc_A":1540377535,"created_at_utc_B":1540389306,"score_A":6,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Consider this: any extra heat your clothes come out of the drier with is \u201cwaste\u201d heat, in that it didn\u2019t contribute to the evaporation of water. Therefore, slow and low is the way to go.","human_ref_B":"I owned a Whirlpool Smart dryer (forgetting the model). It measured energy used in each dry cycle. When drying with the EE setting (about 2hrs), it used half the amount of energy than without the EE setting (about 1hr). IIRC with EE setting it used 2kWh\/load and without 4kWh. Edit: halfed the kWh figures","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11771.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"9qx6g8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"When drying clothes, will using the lowest heat for a longer time use less power than running it at the highest heat for a shorter time?","c_root_id_A":"e8d36jm","c_root_id_B":"e8d2c5b","created_at_utc_A":1540394436,"created_at_utc_B":1540393545,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If this is a question of economics, as in the cost of the energy, not the quantity for it's own sake, then the situation is more complicated. Using the lowest possible heat does the least amount of damage to the clothing. Even if the faster setting did save electricity, the cost may be offset by the reduced lifetime of your clothing.","human_ref_B":"There are water filters you can buy or make where you divert your dryer\u2019s exhaust vent into your house. It goes into a bucket filled with water that filters out the lint so you don\u2019t cake your home in dust, but it humidifies the air like crazy. So you better circulate the air in the house and start off with low humidity or you will have condensation on your walls. But for the $20 bucket filter you can contain all those warm watts of power in your home.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":891.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"qx9neu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I want to use my BSEE degree from ~20 years ago ( but w\/ zero relevant experience ) Hello everyone. I'm someone who graduated with a BSEE degree around the year 2001, during the dotcom-bust era. The recession affected most new graduates but hit EE\/CS grads particularly hard. My gpa was awful ( high 2.0s ) and I didn't persevere to find a position related to my major. ​ Fast forward to today, my resume is full of work experiences in the healthcare and financial sector. My current position is nothing related to math\/science\/engineering. I'm reasonably comfortable career-wise but I often times wonder about what would have been if I remained in EE, as this is a field that still interests me a lot to this day, except I'm now more mature. ​ I admit I forgot everything I learned in undergrad. I distinctly remember knowing almost nothing in my Signals\/Systems and Digital Comms courses and received a C+ and B, respectively. I sometimes feel I learned more from my arduino projects than during my entire 4 years of college. ​ I'm fascinated with most branches of EE. Signal processing and instrumentation, VLSI, and computer architecture come to mind. I'm interested in becoming a hardware engineer for companies like Qualcomm, nVidia, etc. or going for the MS\/PhD route in the specialties of those type of companies. ​ But I've been away from the field for too long and have absolutely no relevant work experience. I also suspect there aren't many of my kind. So, what should I do?","c_root_id_A":"hl88t9c","c_root_id_B":"hl881y0","created_at_utc_A":1637306638,"created_at_utc_B":1637306094,"score_A":43,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"So to summarize, low GPA, a degree from 20 years ago, no memory of what you were taught, and zero engineering experience. No reputable place is going to hire you as things stand. If you want to get anywhere, you're going to have to prove your ability. This isn't going to be through employment except for places you don't want to work for. So that leaves you with two primary options:   1. Personal projects. 2. Go back to school.   And to be clear, if you go the project route, no hobbyist Arduino project is going to cut it. If you want to get my attention with your application, you need personal projects that are professional in nature, scope, as well as execution. You need impeccable documentation showing good engineering thinking, design, testing, and analysis. And it needs to be impressive in nature. In short, they need to be good enough to address all the concerns of the first sentence. Low GPA (show me your understanding has improved), no memory (show me that you still know what you're doing), and zero engineering experience (show me that your knowledge is up to date, and that you know how an engineering project should be done from start to finish).   To be honest, it may be easier to go back for another degree.","human_ref_B":"Go for it. I suggest taking a course or two at a community College. Join a professional EE group to understand what companies are looking for and skill they need the most.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":544.0,"score_ratio":21.5} +{"post_id":"qx9neu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I want to use my BSEE degree from ~20 years ago ( but w\/ zero relevant experience ) Hello everyone. I'm someone who graduated with a BSEE degree around the year 2001, during the dotcom-bust era. The recession affected most new graduates but hit EE\/CS grads particularly hard. My gpa was awful ( high 2.0s ) and I didn't persevere to find a position related to my major. ​ Fast forward to today, my resume is full of work experiences in the healthcare and financial sector. My current position is nothing related to math\/science\/engineering. I'm reasonably comfortable career-wise but I often times wonder about what would have been if I remained in EE, as this is a field that still interests me a lot to this day, except I'm now more mature. ​ I admit I forgot everything I learned in undergrad. I distinctly remember knowing almost nothing in my Signals\/Systems and Digital Comms courses and received a C+ and B, respectively. I sometimes feel I learned more from my arduino projects than during my entire 4 years of college. ​ I'm fascinated with most branches of EE. Signal processing and instrumentation, VLSI, and computer architecture come to mind. I'm interested in becoming a hardware engineer for companies like Qualcomm, nVidia, etc. or going for the MS\/PhD route in the specialties of those type of companies. ​ But I've been away from the field for too long and have absolutely no relevant work experience. I also suspect there aren't many of my kind. So, what should I do?","c_root_id_A":"hl8d33v","c_root_id_B":"hl881y0","created_at_utc_A":1637309854,"created_at_utc_B":1637306094,"score_A":40,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Basically the option is to get an MSEE and enter the new grad pipeline.","human_ref_B":"Go for it. I suggest taking a course or two at a community College. Join a professional EE group to understand what companies are looking for and skill they need the most.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3760.0,"score_ratio":20.0} +{"post_id":"qx9neu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I want to use my BSEE degree from ~20 years ago ( but w\/ zero relevant experience ) Hello everyone. I'm someone who graduated with a BSEE degree around the year 2001, during the dotcom-bust era. The recession affected most new graduates but hit EE\/CS grads particularly hard. My gpa was awful ( high 2.0s ) and I didn't persevere to find a position related to my major. ​ Fast forward to today, my resume is full of work experiences in the healthcare and financial sector. My current position is nothing related to math\/science\/engineering. I'm reasonably comfortable career-wise but I often times wonder about what would have been if I remained in EE, as this is a field that still interests me a lot to this day, except I'm now more mature. ​ I admit I forgot everything I learned in undergrad. I distinctly remember knowing almost nothing in my Signals\/Systems and Digital Comms courses and received a C+ and B, respectively. I sometimes feel I learned more from my arduino projects than during my entire 4 years of college. ​ I'm fascinated with most branches of EE. Signal processing and instrumentation, VLSI, and computer architecture come to mind. I'm interested in becoming a hardware engineer for companies like Qualcomm, nVidia, etc. or going for the MS\/PhD route in the specialties of those type of companies. ​ But I've been away from the field for too long and have absolutely no relevant work experience. I also suspect there aren't many of my kind. So, what should I do?","c_root_id_A":"hl960hq","c_root_id_B":"hla2iba","created_at_utc_A":1637329960,"created_at_utc_B":1637343525,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"If suggest the MSEE route, though going back to school is hard enough if you are still in the field. It wasn't hard to find an EE job after the dot com bust. You will need to try harder after you finish this time. And have a better GPA.","human_ref_B":"cool, I want a porsche 911 that can transform into an advanced sex android your degree is expired, get an MSEE if you want to get back in or don\u2019t, engineering is overhyped","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13565.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"qx9neu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I want to use my BSEE degree from ~20 years ago ( but w\/ zero relevant experience ) Hello everyone. I'm someone who graduated with a BSEE degree around the year 2001, during the dotcom-bust era. The recession affected most new graduates but hit EE\/CS grads particularly hard. My gpa was awful ( high 2.0s ) and I didn't persevere to find a position related to my major. ​ Fast forward to today, my resume is full of work experiences in the healthcare and financial sector. My current position is nothing related to math\/science\/engineering. I'm reasonably comfortable career-wise but I often times wonder about what would have been if I remained in EE, as this is a field that still interests me a lot to this day, except I'm now more mature. ​ I admit I forgot everything I learned in undergrad. I distinctly remember knowing almost nothing in my Signals\/Systems and Digital Comms courses and received a C+ and B, respectively. I sometimes feel I learned more from my arduino projects than during my entire 4 years of college. ​ I'm fascinated with most branches of EE. Signal processing and instrumentation, VLSI, and computer architecture come to mind. I'm interested in becoming a hardware engineer for companies like Qualcomm, nVidia, etc. or going for the MS\/PhD route in the specialties of those type of companies. ​ But I've been away from the field for too long and have absolutely no relevant work experience. I also suspect there aren't many of my kind. So, what should I do?","c_root_id_A":"hla2iba","c_root_id_B":"hl881y0","created_at_utc_A":1637343525,"created_at_utc_B":1637306094,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"cool, I want a porsche 911 that can transform into an advanced sex android your degree is expired, get an MSEE if you want to get back in or don\u2019t, engineering is overhyped","human_ref_B":"Go for it. I suggest taking a course or two at a community College. Join a professional EE group to understand what companies are looking for and skill they need the most.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":37431.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"qx9neu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I want to use my BSEE degree from ~20 years ago ( but w\/ zero relevant experience ) Hello everyone. I'm someone who graduated with a BSEE degree around the year 2001, during the dotcom-bust era. The recession affected most new graduates but hit EE\/CS grads particularly hard. My gpa was awful ( high 2.0s ) and I didn't persevere to find a position related to my major. ​ Fast forward to today, my resume is full of work experiences in the healthcare and financial sector. My current position is nothing related to math\/science\/engineering. I'm reasonably comfortable career-wise but I often times wonder about what would have been if I remained in EE, as this is a field that still interests me a lot to this day, except I'm now more mature. ​ I admit I forgot everything I learned in undergrad. I distinctly remember knowing almost nothing in my Signals\/Systems and Digital Comms courses and received a C+ and B, respectively. I sometimes feel I learned more from my arduino projects than during my entire 4 years of college. ​ I'm fascinated with most branches of EE. Signal processing and instrumentation, VLSI, and computer architecture come to mind. I'm interested in becoming a hardware engineer for companies like Qualcomm, nVidia, etc. or going for the MS\/PhD route in the specialties of those type of companies. ​ But I've been away from the field for too long and have absolutely no relevant work experience. I also suspect there aren't many of my kind. So, what should I do?","c_root_id_A":"hla2iba","c_root_id_B":"hl8zd9m","created_at_utc_A":1637343525,"created_at_utc_B":1637326489,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"cool, I want a porsche 911 that can transform into an advanced sex android your degree is expired, get an MSEE if you want to get back in or don\u2019t, engineering is overhyped","human_ref_B":"If your current (or past) business has engineers somewhere within the company, connect with them! Try to learn what their specific role is, and see if there is any component of their job you feel you would be capable to do. The hardest step is convincing someone to give you the chance, and that's easier within an already established network.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17036.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"qx9neu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I want to use my BSEE degree from ~20 years ago ( but w\/ zero relevant experience ) Hello everyone. I'm someone who graduated with a BSEE degree around the year 2001, during the dotcom-bust era. The recession affected most new graduates but hit EE\/CS grads particularly hard. My gpa was awful ( high 2.0s ) and I didn't persevere to find a position related to my major. ​ Fast forward to today, my resume is full of work experiences in the healthcare and financial sector. My current position is nothing related to math\/science\/engineering. I'm reasonably comfortable career-wise but I often times wonder about what would have been if I remained in EE, as this is a field that still interests me a lot to this day, except I'm now more mature. ​ I admit I forgot everything I learned in undergrad. I distinctly remember knowing almost nothing in my Signals\/Systems and Digital Comms courses and received a C+ and B, respectively. I sometimes feel I learned more from my arduino projects than during my entire 4 years of college. ​ I'm fascinated with most branches of EE. Signal processing and instrumentation, VLSI, and computer architecture come to mind. I'm interested in becoming a hardware engineer for companies like Qualcomm, nVidia, etc. or going for the MS\/PhD route in the specialties of those type of companies. ​ But I've been away from the field for too long and have absolutely no relevant work experience. I also suspect there aren't many of my kind. So, what should I do?","c_root_id_A":"hl9qchd","c_root_id_B":"hla2iba","created_at_utc_A":1637338752,"created_at_utc_B":1637343525,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I don\u2019t think you\u2019re a considerable candidate atm","human_ref_B":"cool, I want a porsche 911 that can transform into an advanced sex android your degree is expired, get an MSEE if you want to get back in or don\u2019t, engineering is overhyped","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4773.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"qx9neu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I want to use my BSEE degree from ~20 years ago ( but w\/ zero relevant experience ) Hello everyone. I'm someone who graduated with a BSEE degree around the year 2001, during the dotcom-bust era. The recession affected most new graduates but hit EE\/CS grads particularly hard. My gpa was awful ( high 2.0s ) and I didn't persevere to find a position related to my major. ​ Fast forward to today, my resume is full of work experiences in the healthcare and financial sector. My current position is nothing related to math\/science\/engineering. I'm reasonably comfortable career-wise but I often times wonder about what would have been if I remained in EE, as this is a field that still interests me a lot to this day, except I'm now more mature. ​ I admit I forgot everything I learned in undergrad. I distinctly remember knowing almost nothing in my Signals\/Systems and Digital Comms courses and received a C+ and B, respectively. I sometimes feel I learned more from my arduino projects than during my entire 4 years of college. ​ I'm fascinated with most branches of EE. Signal processing and instrumentation, VLSI, and computer architecture come to mind. I'm interested in becoming a hardware engineer for companies like Qualcomm, nVidia, etc. or going for the MS\/PhD route in the specialties of those type of companies. ​ But I've been away from the field for too long and have absolutely no relevant work experience. I also suspect there aren't many of my kind. So, what should I do?","c_root_id_A":"hl881y0","c_root_id_B":"hl960hq","created_at_utc_A":1637306094,"created_at_utc_B":1637329960,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Go for it. I suggest taking a course or two at a community College. Join a professional EE group to understand what companies are looking for and skill they need the most.","human_ref_B":"If suggest the MSEE route, though going back to school is hard enough if you are still in the field. It wasn't hard to find an EE job after the dot com bust. You will need to try harder after you finish this time. And have a better GPA.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":23866.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"qx9neu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I want to use my BSEE degree from ~20 years ago ( but w\/ zero relevant experience ) Hello everyone. I'm someone who graduated with a BSEE degree around the year 2001, during the dotcom-bust era. The recession affected most new graduates but hit EE\/CS grads particularly hard. My gpa was awful ( high 2.0s ) and I didn't persevere to find a position related to my major. ​ Fast forward to today, my resume is full of work experiences in the healthcare and financial sector. My current position is nothing related to math\/science\/engineering. I'm reasonably comfortable career-wise but I often times wonder about what would have been if I remained in EE, as this is a field that still interests me a lot to this day, except I'm now more mature. ​ I admit I forgot everything I learned in undergrad. I distinctly remember knowing almost nothing in my Signals\/Systems and Digital Comms courses and received a C+ and B, respectively. I sometimes feel I learned more from my arduino projects than during my entire 4 years of college. ​ I'm fascinated with most branches of EE. Signal processing and instrumentation, VLSI, and computer architecture come to mind. I'm interested in becoming a hardware engineer for companies like Qualcomm, nVidia, etc. or going for the MS\/PhD route in the specialties of those type of companies. ​ But I've been away from the field for too long and have absolutely no relevant work experience. I also suspect there aren't many of my kind. So, what should I do?","c_root_id_A":"hl8zd9m","c_root_id_B":"hl960hq","created_at_utc_A":1637326489,"created_at_utc_B":1637329960,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"If your current (or past) business has engineers somewhere within the company, connect with them! Try to learn what their specific role is, and see if there is any component of their job you feel you would be capable to do. The hardest step is convincing someone to give you the chance, and that's easier within an already established network.","human_ref_B":"If suggest the MSEE route, though going back to school is hard enough if you are still in the field. It wasn't hard to find an EE job after the dot com bust. You will need to try harder after you finish this time. And have a better GPA.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3471.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"qx9neu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I want to use my BSEE degree from ~20 years ago ( but w\/ zero relevant experience ) Hello everyone. I'm someone who graduated with a BSEE degree around the year 2001, during the dotcom-bust era. The recession affected most new graduates but hit EE\/CS grads particularly hard. My gpa was awful ( high 2.0s ) and I didn't persevere to find a position related to my major. ​ Fast forward to today, my resume is full of work experiences in the healthcare and financial sector. My current position is nothing related to math\/science\/engineering. I'm reasonably comfortable career-wise but I often times wonder about what would have been if I remained in EE, as this is a field that still interests me a lot to this day, except I'm now more mature. ​ I admit I forgot everything I learned in undergrad. I distinctly remember knowing almost nothing in my Signals\/Systems and Digital Comms courses and received a C+ and B, respectively. I sometimes feel I learned more from my arduino projects than during my entire 4 years of college. ​ I'm fascinated with most branches of EE. Signal processing and instrumentation, VLSI, and computer architecture come to mind. I'm interested in becoming a hardware engineer for companies like Qualcomm, nVidia, etc. or going for the MS\/PhD route in the specialties of those type of companies. ​ But I've been away from the field for too long and have absolutely no relevant work experience. I also suspect there aren't many of my kind. So, what should I do?","c_root_id_A":"hla4zud","c_root_id_B":"hl881y0","created_at_utc_A":1637344483,"created_at_utc_B":1637306094,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"So, yesterday we had a person who regretted going into engineering instead of finance. Now we have a person regretting the opposite. Damn.","human_ref_B":"Go for it. I suggest taking a course or two at a community College. Join a professional EE group to understand what companies are looking for and skill they need the most.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":38389.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"qx9neu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I want to use my BSEE degree from ~20 years ago ( but w\/ zero relevant experience ) Hello everyone. I'm someone who graduated with a BSEE degree around the year 2001, during the dotcom-bust era. The recession affected most new graduates but hit EE\/CS grads particularly hard. My gpa was awful ( high 2.0s ) and I didn't persevere to find a position related to my major. ​ Fast forward to today, my resume is full of work experiences in the healthcare and financial sector. My current position is nothing related to math\/science\/engineering. I'm reasonably comfortable career-wise but I often times wonder about what would have been if I remained in EE, as this is a field that still interests me a lot to this day, except I'm now more mature. ​ I admit I forgot everything I learned in undergrad. I distinctly remember knowing almost nothing in my Signals\/Systems and Digital Comms courses and received a C+ and B, respectively. I sometimes feel I learned more from my arduino projects than during my entire 4 years of college. ​ I'm fascinated with most branches of EE. Signal processing and instrumentation, VLSI, and computer architecture come to mind. I'm interested in becoming a hardware engineer for companies like Qualcomm, nVidia, etc. or going for the MS\/PhD route in the specialties of those type of companies. ​ But I've been away from the field for too long and have absolutely no relevant work experience. I also suspect there aren't many of my kind. So, what should I do?","c_root_id_A":"hla4zud","c_root_id_B":"hl8zd9m","created_at_utc_A":1637344483,"created_at_utc_B":1637326489,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"So, yesterday we had a person who regretted going into engineering instead of finance. Now we have a person regretting the opposite. Damn.","human_ref_B":"If your current (or past) business has engineers somewhere within the company, connect with them! Try to learn what their specific role is, and see if there is any component of their job you feel you would be capable to do. The hardest step is convincing someone to give you the chance, and that's easier within an already established network.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17994.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"qx9neu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I want to use my BSEE degree from ~20 years ago ( but w\/ zero relevant experience ) Hello everyone. I'm someone who graduated with a BSEE degree around the year 2001, during the dotcom-bust era. The recession affected most new graduates but hit EE\/CS grads particularly hard. My gpa was awful ( high 2.0s ) and I didn't persevere to find a position related to my major. ​ Fast forward to today, my resume is full of work experiences in the healthcare and financial sector. My current position is nothing related to math\/science\/engineering. I'm reasonably comfortable career-wise but I often times wonder about what would have been if I remained in EE, as this is a field that still interests me a lot to this day, except I'm now more mature. ​ I admit I forgot everything I learned in undergrad. I distinctly remember knowing almost nothing in my Signals\/Systems and Digital Comms courses and received a C+ and B, respectively. I sometimes feel I learned more from my arduino projects than during my entire 4 years of college. ​ I'm fascinated with most branches of EE. Signal processing and instrumentation, VLSI, and computer architecture come to mind. I'm interested in becoming a hardware engineer for companies like Qualcomm, nVidia, etc. or going for the MS\/PhD route in the specialties of those type of companies. ​ But I've been away from the field for too long and have absolutely no relevant work experience. I also suspect there aren't many of my kind. So, what should I do?","c_root_id_A":"hl9qchd","c_root_id_B":"hla4zud","created_at_utc_A":1637338752,"created_at_utc_B":1637344483,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I don\u2019t think you\u2019re a considerable candidate atm","human_ref_B":"So, yesterday we had a person who regretted going into engineering instead of finance. Now we have a person regretting the opposite. Damn.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5731.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza4e1t","c_root_id_B":"eza4nje","created_at_utc_A":1567794708,"created_at_utc_B":1567794834,"score_A":5,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"If you're trying to chase money and take a relaxed(boring) job, you've got the wrong degree. Try to follow your passion and your natural talents, and to take jobs with real hands on experience. Take a job that pays well enough, but such that you enjoy your working day as much as possible. Use your income to eliminate all debt and leverage outside investments to get rich. You'll be comfortable, but you won't get rich off an engineer salary alone. But trust me, DO NOT take a job that you think is relaxed. You'll be bored as hell, immoble at your desk for 10 hours a day while your physical and mental health just slip through your fingers.","human_ref_B":"I don\u2019t think you\u2019re in the worst state of mind. Go land a job making good money. You\u2019ll probably hate it. This is going to guide you to make a better decision in the future. Currently working a job in LA with an hour commute both ways. It\u2019s a government defense contractor. The works pretty boring so far and slow (I came from automotive), but the money and resume experience is next to none at this point in my career. I\u2019ll grind it out for a few years then move onto something that genuinely makes me happy, after I had made the money and furthered my career. I get that most people are going to tell you to do what makes you happy, but sometimes you gotta sacrifice a few years to get there.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":126.0,"score_ratio":4.2} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza672r","c_root_id_B":"eza8akb","created_at_utc_A":1567795576,"created_at_utc_B":1567796595,"score_A":9,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"If you aren't asking more questions at work than at school you are doing it wrong. Do not be afraid of admitting ignorance.","human_ref_B":"Just about everyone's motive is money. Some people are genuinely interested in engineering, but very very few would do it for free. We work for money. The issue lies when you place your hunger for money above values and interests. As someone who has been in the workforce, and is making a career change into engineering, I can tell you that it is painful to work a job that you hate day in and day out for years. If you do choose this route, I hope that you have some meaningful hobbies where you can find pleasure in life outside of your job, because if you dont, you're destined to burn out. The other issue is that you really shouldn't have the mindset that working for an employer in engineering is going to make you rich. You may be making a decent salary, but you wont be rich by any means unless you work to save money to later start an engineering firm of your own. On that note, when you work for someone else, you are there to perform your job duties, and if you want to do well and get compensated well, your aim should be to excel in your job, which requires constant learning and effort on your part. Can you sustain busting your ass just for money so you can make your boss happy for a job that you cant stand? It's easier said than done. I say pick the job that compensates you fairly, and is one that you at least have a moderate amount of interest in so you can learn how to be a good engineer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1019.0,"score_ratio":1.4444444444} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza8akb","c_root_id_B":"eza72wd","created_at_utc_A":1567796595,"created_at_utc_B":1567795987,"score_A":13,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Just about everyone's motive is money. Some people are genuinely interested in engineering, but very very few would do it for free. We work for money. The issue lies when you place your hunger for money above values and interests. As someone who has been in the workforce, and is making a career change into engineering, I can tell you that it is painful to work a job that you hate day in and day out for years. If you do choose this route, I hope that you have some meaningful hobbies where you can find pleasure in life outside of your job, because if you dont, you're destined to burn out. The other issue is that you really shouldn't have the mindset that working for an employer in engineering is going to make you rich. You may be making a decent salary, but you wont be rich by any means unless you work to save money to later start an engineering firm of your own. On that note, when you work for someone else, you are there to perform your job duties, and if you want to do well and get compensated well, your aim should be to excel in your job, which requires constant learning and effort on your part. Can you sustain busting your ass just for money so you can make your boss happy for a job that you cant stand? It's easier said than done. I say pick the job that compensates you fairly, and is one that you at least have a moderate amount of interest in so you can learn how to be a good engineer.","human_ref_B":"In the US...the government agencies do NOT pay more than commercial companies. They're usually much lower. Are you saying it's the opposite in the middle east?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":608.0,"score_ratio":1.4444444444} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza4e1t","c_root_id_B":"eza8akb","created_at_utc_A":1567794708,"created_at_utc_B":1567796595,"score_A":5,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"If you're trying to chase money and take a relaxed(boring) job, you've got the wrong degree. Try to follow your passion and your natural talents, and to take jobs with real hands on experience. Take a job that pays well enough, but such that you enjoy your working day as much as possible. Use your income to eliminate all debt and leverage outside investments to get rich. You'll be comfortable, but you won't get rich off an engineer salary alone. But trust me, DO NOT take a job that you think is relaxed. You'll be bored as hell, immoble at your desk for 10 hours a day while your physical and mental health just slip through your fingers.","human_ref_B":"Just about everyone's motive is money. Some people are genuinely interested in engineering, but very very few would do it for free. We work for money. The issue lies when you place your hunger for money above values and interests. As someone who has been in the workforce, and is making a career change into engineering, I can tell you that it is painful to work a job that you hate day in and day out for years. If you do choose this route, I hope that you have some meaningful hobbies where you can find pleasure in life outside of your job, because if you dont, you're destined to burn out. The other issue is that you really shouldn't have the mindset that working for an employer in engineering is going to make you rich. You may be making a decent salary, but you wont be rich by any means unless you work to save money to later start an engineering firm of your own. On that note, when you work for someone else, you are there to perform your job duties, and if you want to do well and get compensated well, your aim should be to excel in your job, which requires constant learning and effort on your part. Can you sustain busting your ass just for money so you can make your boss happy for a job that you cant stand? It's easier said than done. I say pick the job that compensates you fairly, and is one that you at least have a moderate amount of interest in so you can learn how to be a good engineer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1887.0,"score_ratio":2.6} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza8akb","c_root_id_B":"eza6pbf","created_at_utc_A":1567796595,"created_at_utc_B":1567795811,"score_A":13,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Just about everyone's motive is money. Some people are genuinely interested in engineering, but very very few would do it for free. We work for money. The issue lies when you place your hunger for money above values and interests. As someone who has been in the workforce, and is making a career change into engineering, I can tell you that it is painful to work a job that you hate day in and day out for years. If you do choose this route, I hope that you have some meaningful hobbies where you can find pleasure in life outside of your job, because if you dont, you're destined to burn out. The other issue is that you really shouldn't have the mindset that working for an employer in engineering is going to make you rich. You may be making a decent salary, but you wont be rich by any means unless you work to save money to later start an engineering firm of your own. On that note, when you work for someone else, you are there to perform your job duties, and if you want to do well and get compensated well, your aim should be to excel in your job, which requires constant learning and effort on your part. Can you sustain busting your ass just for money so you can make your boss happy for a job that you cant stand? It's easier said than done. I say pick the job that compensates you fairly, and is one that you at least have a moderate amount of interest in so you can learn how to be a good engineer.","human_ref_B":"am I supposed to be happy at any job??? don't see how thats why it is called a job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":784.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza4e1t","c_root_id_B":"eza672r","created_at_utc_A":1567794708,"created_at_utc_B":1567795576,"score_A":5,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"If you're trying to chase money and take a relaxed(boring) job, you've got the wrong degree. Try to follow your passion and your natural talents, and to take jobs with real hands on experience. Take a job that pays well enough, but such that you enjoy your working day as much as possible. Use your income to eliminate all debt and leverage outside investments to get rich. You'll be comfortable, but you won't get rich off an engineer salary alone. But trust me, DO NOT take a job that you think is relaxed. You'll be bored as hell, immoble at your desk for 10 hours a day while your physical and mental health just slip through your fingers.","human_ref_B":"If you aren't asking more questions at work than at school you are doing it wrong. Do not be afraid of admitting ignorance.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":868.0,"score_ratio":1.8} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza4e1t","c_root_id_B":"eza72wd","created_at_utc_A":1567794708,"created_at_utc_B":1567795987,"score_A":5,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"If you're trying to chase money and take a relaxed(boring) job, you've got the wrong degree. Try to follow your passion and your natural talents, and to take jobs with real hands on experience. Take a job that pays well enough, but such that you enjoy your working day as much as possible. Use your income to eliminate all debt and leverage outside investments to get rich. You'll be comfortable, but you won't get rich off an engineer salary alone. But trust me, DO NOT take a job that you think is relaxed. You'll be bored as hell, immoble at your desk for 10 hours a day while your physical and mental health just slip through your fingers.","human_ref_B":"In the US...the government agencies do NOT pay more than commercial companies. They're usually much lower. Are you saying it's the opposite in the middle east?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1279.0,"score_ratio":1.8} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza72wd","c_root_id_B":"eza6pbf","created_at_utc_A":1567795987,"created_at_utc_B":1567795811,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"In the US...the government agencies do NOT pay more than commercial companies. They're usually much lower. Are you saying it's the opposite in the middle east?","human_ref_B":"am I supposed to be happy at any job??? don't see how thats why it is called a job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":176.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza8cfs","c_root_id_B":"eza4e1t","created_at_utc_A":1567796622,"created_at_utc_B":1567794708,"score_A":8,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Do not act like you know or can do everything. Try to learn as much as possible from experienced colleagues","human_ref_B":"If you're trying to chase money and take a relaxed(boring) job, you've got the wrong degree. Try to follow your passion and your natural talents, and to take jobs with real hands on experience. Take a job that pays well enough, but such that you enjoy your working day as much as possible. Use your income to eliminate all debt and leverage outside investments to get rich. You'll be comfortable, but you won't get rich off an engineer salary alone. But trust me, DO NOT take a job that you think is relaxed. You'll be bored as hell, immoble at your desk for 10 hours a day while your physical and mental health just slip through your fingers.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1914.0,"score_ratio":1.6} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza8cfs","c_root_id_B":"eza6pbf","created_at_utc_A":1567796622,"created_at_utc_B":1567795811,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Do not act like you know or can do everything. Try to learn as much as possible from experienced colleagues","human_ref_B":"am I supposed to be happy at any job??? don't see how thats why it is called a job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":811.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza4e1t","c_root_id_B":"ezaflr2","created_at_utc_A":1567794708,"created_at_utc_B":1567800549,"score_A":5,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"If you're trying to chase money and take a relaxed(boring) job, you've got the wrong degree. Try to follow your passion and your natural talents, and to take jobs with real hands on experience. Take a job that pays well enough, but such that you enjoy your working day as much as possible. Use your income to eliminate all debt and leverage outside investments to get rich. You'll be comfortable, but you won't get rich off an engineer salary alone. But trust me, DO NOT take a job that you think is relaxed. You'll be bored as hell, immoble at your desk for 10 hours a day while your physical and mental health just slip through your fingers.","human_ref_B":"Learn to solder (well) and use test equipment. Woefully underemphasized in engineering school nowadays; I've met new EE grads who barely know which end of the soldering iron to hold.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5841.0,"score_ratio":1.6} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"ezacqlt","c_root_id_B":"ezaflr2","created_at_utc_A":1567798987,"created_at_utc_B":1567800549,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Going after money as your major motive instead of company culture and enjoyment of the work. There's a reason an awful workplace with good pay tends to get called \"golden handcuffs\" A great salary won't make you not burn out or let you just ignore a toxic work culture.","human_ref_B":"Learn to solder (well) and use test equipment. Woefully underemphasized in engineering school nowadays; I've met new EE grads who barely know which end of the soldering iron to hold.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1562.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza9tb5","c_root_id_B":"ezaflr2","created_at_utc_A":1567797401,"created_at_utc_B":1567800549,"score_A":4,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Never say no to doing something that can set you forward. This applies to simple tasks like helping another department out with testing or writing up technical documentation. It also especially applies to any task in which you can show your work ethic and innovative thinking. You\u2019ll earn a lot of respect and really propel your career forward by taking on both of those types of tasks.","human_ref_B":"Learn to solder (well) and use test equipment. Woefully underemphasized in engineering school nowadays; I've met new EE grads who barely know which end of the soldering iron to hold.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3148.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"ezaflr2","c_root_id_B":"eza6pbf","created_at_utc_A":1567800549,"created_at_utc_B":1567795811,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Learn to solder (well) and use test equipment. Woefully underemphasized in engineering school nowadays; I've met new EE grads who barely know which end of the soldering iron to hold.","human_ref_B":"am I supposed to be happy at any job??? don't see how thats why it is called a job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4738.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza4e1t","c_root_id_B":"ezaprbi","created_at_utc_A":1567794708,"created_at_utc_B":1567805514,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"If you're trying to chase money and take a relaxed(boring) job, you've got the wrong degree. Try to follow your passion and your natural talents, and to take jobs with real hands on experience. Take a job that pays well enough, but such that you enjoy your working day as much as possible. Use your income to eliminate all debt and leverage outside investments to get rich. You'll be comfortable, but you won't get rich off an engineer salary alone. But trust me, DO NOT take a job that you think is relaxed. You'll be bored as hell, immoble at your desk for 10 hours a day while your physical and mental health just slip through your fingers.","human_ref_B":"Expecting to make bank fresh out of school","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10806.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza9tb5","c_root_id_B":"ezaprbi","created_at_utc_A":1567797401,"created_at_utc_B":1567805514,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Never say no to doing something that can set you forward. This applies to simple tasks like helping another department out with testing or writing up technical documentation. It also especially applies to any task in which you can show your work ethic and innovative thinking. You\u2019ll earn a lot of respect and really propel your career forward by taking on both of those types of tasks.","human_ref_B":"Expecting to make bank fresh out of school","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8113.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza6pbf","c_root_id_B":"ezaprbi","created_at_utc_A":1567795811,"created_at_utc_B":1567805514,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"am I supposed to be happy at any job??? don't see how thats why it is called a job.","human_ref_B":"Expecting to make bank fresh out of school","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9703.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"ezafwnn","c_root_id_B":"ezaprbi","created_at_utc_A":1567800713,"created_at_utc_B":1567805514,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"EE PhD student here. In doing my surveying to figure out if I want a PhD or to work right after undergrad, I found that most everyone suggest going after what you enjoy rather than concentrating on the money. Regardless, engineering offers good money. I'd recommend that you try to find a job you would enjoy, or continue school if you can find research you like. Money will come later. Happiness can be hard to find if it's not what you are seeking. Additionally, everyone I talked to that went back for a graduate degree after working, regretted not getting it before they started working. Having a company pay for your graduate degree sounds great. BUT companies still expect you to work 35-40 hours a week ontop of taking courses. That only allows you to take one or two classes a semester, dragging your graduate degree out to 3 or 4 years. The people I talked to that did that, hated it. Also, in the states, the government jobs tend to pay less than privately owned companies. However, the government jobs have better benefits when it comes to retirement and like you said, the jobs are more relaxed and only allow you to work 40 hours a week. Most privately owned companies assume you are going to work 50-60 hours a week and be available at anytime. When it came time to choose if I wanted to work or continue school, I came across a great opportunity to work with technology and do research in a topic I like a lot, so I went that route. If you don't want to get a graduate degree, I would focused on getting a job you think you would like and worry less about the price tag.","human_ref_B":"Expecting to make bank fresh out of school","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4801.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"ezacqlt","c_root_id_B":"eza4e1t","created_at_utc_A":1567798987,"created_at_utc_B":1567794708,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Going after money as your major motive instead of company culture and enjoyment of the work. There's a reason an awful workplace with good pay tends to get called \"golden handcuffs\" A great salary won't make you not burn out or let you just ignore a toxic work culture.","human_ref_B":"If you're trying to chase money and take a relaxed(boring) job, you've got the wrong degree. Try to follow your passion and your natural talents, and to take jobs with real hands on experience. Take a job that pays well enough, but such that you enjoy your working day as much as possible. Use your income to eliminate all debt and leverage outside investments to get rich. You'll be comfortable, but you won't get rich off an engineer salary alone. But trust me, DO NOT take a job that you think is relaxed. You'll be bored as hell, immoble at your desk for 10 hours a day while your physical and mental health just slip through your fingers.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4279.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza9tb5","c_root_id_B":"ezacqlt","created_at_utc_A":1567797401,"created_at_utc_B":1567798987,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Never say no to doing something that can set you forward. This applies to simple tasks like helping another department out with testing or writing up technical documentation. It also especially applies to any task in which you can show your work ethic and innovative thinking. You\u2019ll earn a lot of respect and really propel your career forward by taking on both of those types of tasks.","human_ref_B":"Going after money as your major motive instead of company culture and enjoyment of the work. There's a reason an awful workplace with good pay tends to get called \"golden handcuffs\" A great salary won't make you not burn out or let you just ignore a toxic work culture.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1586.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza6pbf","c_root_id_B":"ezacqlt","created_at_utc_A":1567795811,"created_at_utc_B":1567798987,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"am I supposed to be happy at any job??? don't see how thats why it is called a job.","human_ref_B":"Going after money as your major motive instead of company culture and enjoyment of the work. There's a reason an awful workplace with good pay tends to get called \"golden handcuffs\" A great salary won't make you not burn out or let you just ignore a toxic work culture.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3176.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"d0j0fm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"EE Graduating next May, what mistakes fresh graduates should avoid ? Currently my motive is money And i have two plans : 1- Apply to consulting firms > gather money > switch to government authorities ( like the FDA but to for engineers ) as they pay high and relatively more relaxed job 2- Going to a big Gas & Oil company, good pay ( though the pay very slow to increase ) but less comfortable + I interned there and have a recommendation from my supervisor Mind you, im in the Middle East Any how tell me about your career successes\/mistakes","c_root_id_A":"eza9tb5","c_root_id_B":"eza6pbf","created_at_utc_A":1567797401,"created_at_utc_B":1567795811,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Never say no to doing something that can set you forward. This applies to simple tasks like helping another department out with testing or writing up technical documentation. It also especially applies to any task in which you can show your work ethic and innovative thinking. You\u2019ll earn a lot of respect and really propel your career forward by taking on both of those types of tasks.","human_ref_B":"am I supposed to be happy at any job??? don't see how thats why it is called a job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1590.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"1nqalp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Has anyone performed tensile testing on 3D printed or sintered materials? How do they compare to conventional materials? We are looking at making a few parts out of ABS and sintered stainless steel. The plastic parts won't be under a great deal of stress, however the stainless parts will. We are trying to estimate the material properties of the stainless, but there is very limited data. Has anyone performed tensile or fatigue testing on 3d printed parts? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ccl07y7","c_root_id_B":"cckznvu","created_at_utc_A":1380905055,"created_at_utc_B":1380903637,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I have not worked with 3D printed materials but have done lots of testing on sintered steels. You certainly loose strength by going the sintered route, however the most noticeable effect is the loss of ductility. As usual the devil is in the details of the metal powder, sintering conditions, and even the lubricants you use. Steel Powder I have used in the past with realistic numbers.","human_ref_B":"Obviously I think the issue with 3d printed parts is going to the that they are not isotropic. I'm sorry, I'm sure you've already arrived at the same conclusion and might be why you are asking. Perhaps some research into how structurals design concrete at cold joints could help lead you somewhere truly productive? Why not do some testing of your own? There are all sorts of ASTM standards that would help point you toward developing a simple testing methodology.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1418.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"1nqalp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Has anyone performed tensile testing on 3D printed or sintered materials? How do they compare to conventional materials? We are looking at making a few parts out of ABS and sintered stainless steel. The plastic parts won't be under a great deal of stress, however the stainless parts will. We are trying to estimate the material properties of the stainless, but there is very limited data. Has anyone performed tensile or fatigue testing on 3d printed parts? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"cclkv2x","c_root_id_B":"cckznvu","created_at_utc_A":1380989926,"created_at_utc_B":1380903637,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"White paper from Stratasys for ABS","human_ref_B":"Obviously I think the issue with 3d printed parts is going to the that they are not isotropic. I'm sorry, I'm sure you've already arrived at the same conclusion and might be why you are asking. Perhaps some research into how structurals design concrete at cold joints could help lead you somewhere truly productive? Why not do some testing of your own? There are all sorts of ASTM standards that would help point you toward developing a simple testing methodology.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":86289.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"1nqalp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Has anyone performed tensile testing on 3D printed or sintered materials? How do they compare to conventional materials? We are looking at making a few parts out of ABS and sintered stainless steel. The plastic parts won't be under a great deal of stress, however the stainless parts will. We are trying to estimate the material properties of the stainless, but there is very limited data. Has anyone performed tensile or fatigue testing on 3d printed parts? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"cclkv2x","c_root_id_B":"ccl10l0","created_at_utc_A":1380989926,"created_at_utc_B":1380907128,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"White paper from Stratasys for ABS","human_ref_B":"Short answer: they compare awfully.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":82798.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"1nqalp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Has anyone performed tensile testing on 3D printed or sintered materials? How do they compare to conventional materials? We are looking at making a few parts out of ABS and sintered stainless steel. The plastic parts won't be under a great deal of stress, however the stainless parts will. We are trying to estimate the material properties of the stainless, but there is very limited data. Has anyone performed tensile or fatigue testing on 3d printed parts? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ccl4oj0","c_root_id_B":"cclkv2x","created_at_utc_A":1380916814,"created_at_utc_B":1380989926,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Look up Missouri S&T's Intelligent Systems Center. They've characterized multiple materials for SLS, FEF, and FDM.","human_ref_B":"White paper from Stratasys for ABS","labels":0,"seconds_difference":73112.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"1nqalp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Has anyone performed tensile testing on 3D printed or sintered materials? How do they compare to conventional materials? We are looking at making a few parts out of ABS and sintered stainless steel. The plastic parts won't be under a great deal of stress, however the stainless parts will. We are trying to estimate the material properties of the stainless, but there is very limited data. Has anyone performed tensile or fatigue testing on 3d printed parts? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ccl878f","c_root_id_B":"cclkv2x","created_at_utc_A":1380927115,"created_at_utc_B":1380989926,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"You can do acetone vapor finishing of ABS to help make it a bit more isotropic.","human_ref_B":"White paper from Stratasys for ABS","labels":0,"seconds_difference":62811.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"1nqalp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Has anyone performed tensile testing on 3D printed or sintered materials? How do they compare to conventional materials? We are looking at making a few parts out of ABS and sintered stainless steel. The plastic parts won't be under a great deal of stress, however the stainless parts will. We are trying to estimate the material properties of the stainless, but there is very limited data. Has anyone performed tensile or fatigue testing on 3d printed parts? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ccli6bl","c_root_id_B":"cclkv2x","created_at_utc_A":1380977770,"created_at_utc_B":1380989926,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Is there a way to hybrid CNC and print in stainless? Let's say you need something like a crank with a close chambered side widget. Subdivide the part so you can CNC the high-strength portion from billet and you can 3D print the chambered widget. The power of 3D printing is not just rapid prototyping, but more in being able to make parts you just can't build any other way.","human_ref_B":"White paper from Stratasys for ABS","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12156.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"1nqalp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Has anyone performed tensile testing on 3D printed or sintered materials? How do they compare to conventional materials? We are looking at making a few parts out of ABS and sintered stainless steel. The plastic parts won't be under a great deal of stress, however the stainless parts will. We are trying to estimate the material properties of the stainless, but there is very limited data. Has anyone performed tensile or fatigue testing on 3d printed parts? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"cclkv2x","c_root_id_B":"cclklrn","created_at_utc_A":1380989926,"created_at_utc_B":1380988993,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"White paper from Stratasys for ABS","human_ref_B":"Here's a datasheet from 17-4PH stainless printed with DMLS that we've used before: PDF It shows about an 8% drop in both UTS and yield in the z direction","labels":1,"seconds_difference":933.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"nquina","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Should I take a new position in a far away state as a quality engineer? New Job Opportunity Question 1: Would you take a job in the Midwest for around 100k as a quality engineer to leave a job in Ohio making around 70k as a manufacturing process engineer? Question 2: Would the title quality engineer be a step up or a step down from process engineer. Also does one open more opportunities than the other? Pros to current job -Schedule is very flexible because they know I get my work completed no matter how long it takes. (Many late nights) -Know the evil and the good Cons to current job -I often find my self picking up others slack -No clear advancement Pros to new job -Opportunity to advance -Further education is paid for and encouraged -Significantly larger company Cons to new job -Away from friends and family -Seems like there\u2019s not much to do in this particular part of the Midwest","c_root_id_A":"h0dr94c","c_root_id_B":"h0dfinf","created_at_utc_A":1622680557,"created_at_utc_B":1622674750,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Isn\u2019t Ohio considered the Midwest? For me, the main thing I hate about the Midwest is the humidity, which you have plenty of in Ohio. So to answer #1, yes, I would (if I was already acclimated to Ohio humidity). I won\u2019t answer #2. it doesn\u2019t matter what the title is as long as you\u2019re happy with what you\u2019re (going to be) doing and as long as you feel you\u2019re adequately paid. If I loved to flip burgers and McDonald\u2019s was willing to pay me 100k, then there\u2019s no shame in it. Do what you love and hope you get adequately compensated for it (which it seems like the new job is adequately compensated). Based on how you worded the pros and cons, you\u2019re looking for an excuse to leave your current place (you pro for staying was actually a con), and sounds like you\u2019re being taken advantage of and should leave anyway. It seems like with the new job you\u2019re struggling the most with the place you\u2019d be going compared to where you currently are. You have to pick either a good location or a good job, and not many of us get to choose both. For instance, I live in colorado as a ME but there\u2019s literally no similar jobs around me, and my company knows that, and therefore I\u2019m paid like crap. But hey, at least I\u2019m living in a place I love and the work isn\u2019t terrible (just the compensation).","human_ref_B":"I took a job in Florida as an SQE for a hydraulics company, 30% more than I was making at a large snowmobile and motorcycle company in Minnesota. Never been happier. If there is no clear path for advancement, the best way to make more is to go to a new company.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5807.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"otvt7h","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Why was the design requirement for the intensity of turbulence an airliner must withstand raised from 50 feet per second to 90 feet per second? FAR criteria updated in 1980\/1981. Before that the criteria was 50 fps at VC. 50 to 90 is a very large change, why was the requirement raised so much?","c_root_id_A":"h6yon1x","c_root_id_B":"h6yo0c3","created_at_utc_A":1627570895,"created_at_utc_B":1627570627,"score_A":31,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Because previous design requirements were based on an assumption of rigid body motion and analog measurements taken during the 1940s-1960s. As technology advanced, aircraft became larger, faster, and more flexible, they were able to take into account the structural dynamics and elasticity of the wings. They then used a Power Spectral Density model (a.k.a. a statistical based approach to approximate everything) and updated it in 1980. Source Quote from source: > The National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA), the predecessor of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), began an inflight gust measurement program in 1933 to assist in the refinement of gust load design criteria. Using unsophisticated analog equipment, that program resulted in the development of the improved design requirements for gust loads that were issued in part 04 of the Civil Aeronautics Regulations (CAR) in the 1940\u2019s. The corresponding Civil Aeronautics Manual (CAM) 04 provided a simplified formula from which to derive the design gust loads from the specified design gust velocities. These criteria were based on an analytical encounter of the airplane with a discrete ramp-shaped gust with a gradient distance (the distance necessary for the gust to build to a peak) of 10 times the mean chord length of the airplane wing. An alleviation factor, calculated from wing loading, was provided in order to account for the relieving effects of rigid body motion of the airplane as it penetrated the gust. With the development of the VGH (velocity, load factor, height) recorder in 1946, NASA began collecting a large quantity of gust load data on many types of aircraft in airline service. Although that program was terminated for transport airline operations in 1971, the data provided additional insight into the nature of gusts in the atmosphere, and resulted in significant changes to the gust load design requirements. The evolution of the discrete gust design criteria from part 04 through part 4b of the CAR to current part 25 of Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) (which contains the design requirements for transport category airplanes) resulted in the establishment of a prescribed gust shape with a specific gust gradient distance and increased peak gust design velocities. The prescribed shape was a \u2018\u2018one-minus-cosine\u2019\u2019 gust shape with a specified gust gradient distance of 12.5 times the mean chord length of the airplane wing. The gust gradient distance, for that particular shape, was equal to one-half the total gust length. A simplified analytical method similar to the methodology of CAM 04 was provided along with an improved alleviation factor that accounted for unsteady aerodynamic forces, gust shape, and the airplane rigid body vertical response. The increasing speed, size, and structural flexibility of transport airplanes resulted in the need to consider not only the rigid body response of the airplane, but also structural dynamic response and the effects of structural deformation on the aerodynamic parameters. Early attempts to account for structural flexibility led to a \u2018\u2018tuned\u2019\u2019 gust approach in which the analysis assumed a flexible airplane encountering gusts with various gradient distances in order to find the most critical gust gradient distance for use in design for each major component. A tuned discrete gust approach became a requirement for compliance with the British Civil Airworthiness Requirements. Another method of accounting for the structural dynamic effects of the airplane involved the power spectral density (PSD) analysis technique which accounted for the statistical distribution of gusts in continuous turbulence in conjunction with the aeroelastic and structural dynamic characteristics of the airplane. In the 1960\u2019s, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) awarded study contracts to Boeing and Lockheed for the purpose of assisting the FAA in developing the PSD gust methodology into continuous gust design criteria with analytical procedures. The final PSD continuous turbulence criteria were based on those studies and were codified in Appendix G to part 25 in 1980.","human_ref_B":"Probably mainly because of the significantly increased dimensions of most modern aircraft. Moments and forces require length which has now increased. I assume that the former requirements wouldn't allow for the effects of large bodies anymore. Are these 'turbulence reqs', in ft\/sec?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":268.0,"score_ratio":10.3333333333} +{"post_id":"y7htk7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Lack of Cathodic Protection on Dry Goods Silos I've spent most of my career in the oilfield\/pipeline industry, where there's aggressive cathodic protection on pretty much everything. If it's metallic and not supposed to move it's either being tied into existing protection or getting its own anode bed. I've changed industries and am now evaluating some severely corroded silos for a food manufacturing facility. I was shocked (pun intended) to see they had absolutely zero cathodic protection on them, but upon investigation it seems that that's the industry standard!? A cursory literature search yielded plenty of results for passive coatings\/paints\/surface treatments\/etc., but very little about active systems. Asking around has led me to believe that similar sites in the area don't have active protection either. And the site engineer looked at me like I was making up new words when I asked about their (nonexistent) anode beds. I already know I'll be recommending replacement along with installation of an active protection system, but I'm just curious as to why that wasn't already the case. Is it just a result of limited exposure and good old boys doing things the way they've always been done, or is there a solid engineering reason for not actively protecting metals from galvanic ground connections? For reference, these are located in the humid and hot American South. The contained products are wheat flour and salt(!). The seals are inadequate [really, the blowers are overpowered, but the end result is the same], leading to regular discharges from the relief valves that coat the whole area in bulk salt. I'm basically modeling the whole site as a saltwater environment as a result. They're mild steel silos with cone bottoms and pneumatic vacuum conveyance. Support is a galvanized steel frame with feet on concrete pilings(?) or pads(?). There are dissimilar metals in contact where the frame meets the silo body, at the footing fasteners, and anywhere the handling equipment mates with the silo. The feet especially show signs of galvanic loss - you can all but see the corrosion growing outwards from the nuts & bolts on the footer plates. Thanks in advance for any help\/advice you can offer.","c_root_id_A":"isutzdp","c_root_id_B":"isv6xy8","created_at_utc_A":1666128337,"created_at_utc_B":1666133815,"score_A":13,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"No direct experience but good old boys sounds about right.","human_ref_B":"The agricultural industry has always lagged behind the oil industry because of the way it's evolved - your local farmer, lack of regulation, and less risk as there are less people exposed to failures. Another example is of how explosion risks are poorly understood. Flammable vapours are well understood in the oil industry but explosive dusty grain, less so.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5478.0,"score_ratio":2.8461538462} +{"post_id":"y7htk7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Lack of Cathodic Protection on Dry Goods Silos I've spent most of my career in the oilfield\/pipeline industry, where there's aggressive cathodic protection on pretty much everything. If it's metallic and not supposed to move it's either being tied into existing protection or getting its own anode bed. I've changed industries and am now evaluating some severely corroded silos for a food manufacturing facility. I was shocked (pun intended) to see they had absolutely zero cathodic protection on them, but upon investigation it seems that that's the industry standard!? A cursory literature search yielded plenty of results for passive coatings\/paints\/surface treatments\/etc., but very little about active systems. Asking around has led me to believe that similar sites in the area don't have active protection either. And the site engineer looked at me like I was making up new words when I asked about their (nonexistent) anode beds. I already know I'll be recommending replacement along with installation of an active protection system, but I'm just curious as to why that wasn't already the case. Is it just a result of limited exposure and good old boys doing things the way they've always been done, or is there a solid engineering reason for not actively protecting metals from galvanic ground connections? For reference, these are located in the humid and hot American South. The contained products are wheat flour and salt(!). The seals are inadequate [really, the blowers are overpowered, but the end result is the same], leading to regular discharges from the relief valves that coat the whole area in bulk salt. I'm basically modeling the whole site as a saltwater environment as a result. They're mild steel silos with cone bottoms and pneumatic vacuum conveyance. Support is a galvanized steel frame with feet on concrete pilings(?) or pads(?). There are dissimilar metals in contact where the frame meets the silo body, at the footing fasteners, and anywhere the handling equipment mates with the silo. The feet especially show signs of galvanic loss - you can all but see the corrosion growing outwards from the nuts & bolts on the footer plates. Thanks in advance for any help\/advice you can offer.","c_root_id_A":"isuu8yj","c_root_id_B":"isv6xy8","created_at_utc_A":1666128440,"created_at_utc_B":1666133815,"score_A":10,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"I don't think cathodic protection will function in a dry environment. We have them inside our water heaters and it requires an electrolyte which means to us a fluid. A vat of salt definitely sounds corrosive when a little bit of moisture gets in, but that won't be enough to act as an electrolyte.","human_ref_B":"The agricultural industry has always lagged behind the oil industry because of the way it's evolved - your local farmer, lack of regulation, and less risk as there are less people exposed to failures. Another example is of how explosion risks are poorly understood. Flammable vapours are well understood in the oil industry but explosive dusty grain, less so.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5375.0,"score_ratio":3.7} +{"post_id":"y7htk7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Lack of Cathodic Protection on Dry Goods Silos I've spent most of my career in the oilfield\/pipeline industry, where there's aggressive cathodic protection on pretty much everything. If it's metallic and not supposed to move it's either being tied into existing protection or getting its own anode bed. I've changed industries and am now evaluating some severely corroded silos for a food manufacturing facility. I was shocked (pun intended) to see they had absolutely zero cathodic protection on them, but upon investigation it seems that that's the industry standard!? A cursory literature search yielded plenty of results for passive coatings\/paints\/surface treatments\/etc., but very little about active systems. Asking around has led me to believe that similar sites in the area don't have active protection either. And the site engineer looked at me like I was making up new words when I asked about their (nonexistent) anode beds. I already know I'll be recommending replacement along with installation of an active protection system, but I'm just curious as to why that wasn't already the case. Is it just a result of limited exposure and good old boys doing things the way they've always been done, or is there a solid engineering reason for not actively protecting metals from galvanic ground connections? For reference, these are located in the humid and hot American South. The contained products are wheat flour and salt(!). The seals are inadequate [really, the blowers are overpowered, but the end result is the same], leading to regular discharges from the relief valves that coat the whole area in bulk salt. I'm basically modeling the whole site as a saltwater environment as a result. They're mild steel silos with cone bottoms and pneumatic vacuum conveyance. Support is a galvanized steel frame with feet on concrete pilings(?) or pads(?). There are dissimilar metals in contact where the frame meets the silo body, at the footing fasteners, and anywhere the handling equipment mates with the silo. The feet especially show signs of galvanic loss - you can all but see the corrosion growing outwards from the nuts & bolts on the footer plates. Thanks in advance for any help\/advice you can offer.","c_root_id_A":"isw1tzs","c_root_id_B":"isuu8yj","created_at_utc_A":1666147718,"created_at_utc_B":1666128440,"score_A":13,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Pretty sure you can just ask a priest to bless your silo, shouldn't be a big deal","human_ref_B":"I don't think cathodic protection will function in a dry environment. We have them inside our water heaters and it requires an electrolyte which means to us a fluid. A vat of salt definitely sounds corrosive when a little bit of moisture gets in, but that won't be enough to act as an electrolyte.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19278.0,"score_ratio":1.3} +{"post_id":"y7htk7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Lack of Cathodic Protection on Dry Goods Silos I've spent most of my career in the oilfield\/pipeline industry, where there's aggressive cathodic protection on pretty much everything. If it's metallic and not supposed to move it's either being tied into existing protection or getting its own anode bed. I've changed industries and am now evaluating some severely corroded silos for a food manufacturing facility. I was shocked (pun intended) to see they had absolutely zero cathodic protection on them, but upon investigation it seems that that's the industry standard!? A cursory literature search yielded plenty of results for passive coatings\/paints\/surface treatments\/etc., but very little about active systems. Asking around has led me to believe that similar sites in the area don't have active protection either. And the site engineer looked at me like I was making up new words when I asked about their (nonexistent) anode beds. I already know I'll be recommending replacement along with installation of an active protection system, but I'm just curious as to why that wasn't already the case. Is it just a result of limited exposure and good old boys doing things the way they've always been done, or is there a solid engineering reason for not actively protecting metals from galvanic ground connections? For reference, these are located in the humid and hot American South. The contained products are wheat flour and salt(!). The seals are inadequate [really, the blowers are overpowered, but the end result is the same], leading to regular discharges from the relief valves that coat the whole area in bulk salt. I'm basically modeling the whole site as a saltwater environment as a result. They're mild steel silos with cone bottoms and pneumatic vacuum conveyance. Support is a galvanized steel frame with feet on concrete pilings(?) or pads(?). There are dissimilar metals in contact where the frame meets the silo body, at the footing fasteners, and anywhere the handling equipment mates with the silo. The feet especially show signs of galvanic loss - you can all but see the corrosion growing outwards from the nuts & bolts on the footer plates. Thanks in advance for any help\/advice you can offer.","c_root_id_A":"isvcjk3","c_root_id_B":"isw1tzs","created_at_utc_A":1666136300,"created_at_utc_B":1666147718,"score_A":6,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Could it be fire hazard potentially? Since it basically turns the whole structure into a battery flowing current, maybe there is concern a spark could ignite dry goods under certain conditions like with power aerosols such as grain particulate suspended in air.","human_ref_B":"Pretty sure you can just ask a priest to bless your silo, shouldn't be a big deal","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11418.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667} +{"post_id":"y7htk7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Lack of Cathodic Protection on Dry Goods Silos I've spent most of my career in the oilfield\/pipeline industry, where there's aggressive cathodic protection on pretty much everything. If it's metallic and not supposed to move it's either being tied into existing protection or getting its own anode bed. I've changed industries and am now evaluating some severely corroded silos for a food manufacturing facility. I was shocked (pun intended) to see they had absolutely zero cathodic protection on them, but upon investigation it seems that that's the industry standard!? A cursory literature search yielded plenty of results for passive coatings\/paints\/surface treatments\/etc., but very little about active systems. Asking around has led me to believe that similar sites in the area don't have active protection either. And the site engineer looked at me like I was making up new words when I asked about their (nonexistent) anode beds. I already know I'll be recommending replacement along with installation of an active protection system, but I'm just curious as to why that wasn't already the case. Is it just a result of limited exposure and good old boys doing things the way they've always been done, or is there a solid engineering reason for not actively protecting metals from galvanic ground connections? For reference, these are located in the humid and hot American South. The contained products are wheat flour and salt(!). The seals are inadequate [really, the blowers are overpowered, but the end result is the same], leading to regular discharges from the relief valves that coat the whole area in bulk salt. I'm basically modeling the whole site as a saltwater environment as a result. They're mild steel silos with cone bottoms and pneumatic vacuum conveyance. Support is a galvanized steel frame with feet on concrete pilings(?) or pads(?). There are dissimilar metals in contact where the frame meets the silo body, at the footing fasteners, and anywhere the handling equipment mates with the silo. The feet especially show signs of galvanic loss - you can all but see the corrosion growing outwards from the nuts & bolts on the footer plates. Thanks in advance for any help\/advice you can offer.","c_root_id_A":"isvnv0u","c_root_id_B":"isw1tzs","created_at_utc_A":1666141401,"created_at_utc_B":1666147718,"score_A":6,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"The silos are above ground, correct? One of the key aspects of CP systems is the completion of the circuit via the electrolyte (soil). With the facilities being above grade, there will be no circuit. Coatings or material selection solutions are the route to take, in my opinion.","human_ref_B":"Pretty sure you can just ask a priest to bless your silo, shouldn't be a big deal","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6317.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667} +{"post_id":"y7htk7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Lack of Cathodic Protection on Dry Goods Silos I've spent most of my career in the oilfield\/pipeline industry, where there's aggressive cathodic protection on pretty much everything. If it's metallic and not supposed to move it's either being tied into existing protection or getting its own anode bed. I've changed industries and am now evaluating some severely corroded silos for a food manufacturing facility. I was shocked (pun intended) to see they had absolutely zero cathodic protection on them, but upon investigation it seems that that's the industry standard!? A cursory literature search yielded plenty of results for passive coatings\/paints\/surface treatments\/etc., but very little about active systems. Asking around has led me to believe that similar sites in the area don't have active protection either. And the site engineer looked at me like I was making up new words when I asked about their (nonexistent) anode beds. I already know I'll be recommending replacement along with installation of an active protection system, but I'm just curious as to why that wasn't already the case. Is it just a result of limited exposure and good old boys doing things the way they've always been done, or is there a solid engineering reason for not actively protecting metals from galvanic ground connections? For reference, these are located in the humid and hot American South. The contained products are wheat flour and salt(!). The seals are inadequate [really, the blowers are overpowered, but the end result is the same], leading to regular discharges from the relief valves that coat the whole area in bulk salt. I'm basically modeling the whole site as a saltwater environment as a result. They're mild steel silos with cone bottoms and pneumatic vacuum conveyance. Support is a galvanized steel frame with feet on concrete pilings(?) or pads(?). There are dissimilar metals in contact where the frame meets the silo body, at the footing fasteners, and anywhere the handling equipment mates with the silo. The feet especially show signs of galvanic loss - you can all but see the corrosion growing outwards from the nuts & bolts on the footer plates. Thanks in advance for any help\/advice you can offer.","c_root_id_A":"iswel89","c_root_id_B":"iswm337","created_at_utc_A":1666154646,"created_at_utc_B":1666159780,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"It\u2019s not exactly the same, but I\u2019ve designed a number of large, welded steel, storage tanks and I live in an area that is known for corrosive native soil. My tanks usually range from 1MG to 5MG to store potable water or treated effluent and I almost always spec some sort of external, sub grade cathodic protection at a minimum. Often times I will also have an internal CP system depending on the liquid chemistry. Depending on the existing soil, resistivity and chemical properties, I will either go with a passive anode system, or sometimes an active impressed system. Often I will specify that the native sub-grade is removed and replaced with a neutral sand or a drain rock to be installed underneath the tank within the concrete ring foundation. I\u2019ve gone as far as collecting samples and having chemical analysis done of structural sand in the various pits and quarries in my area and I know which has the best chemical properties for longevity. Finally, I always specify a good coating system. Potable water storage is considered critical infrastructure, and there are a number of standards to abide by (AWWA, EPA, BSDW, NSF 61, etc). I want my tanks to last 50 to 80 years minimum. It\u2019s surprising that the food industry doesn\u2019t have similar standards for storage Silos.","human_ref_B":"On a first, quick read of the title I thought it said catholic protection.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5134.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"3y5eeq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"I'm seeking advice on whether I should pursue a career as an engineering technologist\/technician or as an engineer. I'm very good with math and physics. I was an astrophysics major at Ohio University's honors college for 3 years back when I wanted to become an astrophysicist. I would definitely be able to handle the theory involved with engineering. Here is my concern. I don't want a particularly demanding job. I'm fine with getting paid less to do less demanding work. I value my free time a lot, and I have intellectual hobbies I would like to be able to pursue (like studying astrophysics). I don't want to use up most of my time and mental energy on my job and not be able to pursue these hobbies when I'm home. I want a job that is stimulating and engaging, but I don't want my work to follow me home or to be super stressed about deadlines. I enjoy thinking logically and analyzing things to see how they work. I don't like large projects; I prefer task-oriented work. I enjoy solving equations and working with theories, but not when I'm rushed or under pressure. I'm decent with my hands, but I do have essential tremor, which is well managed with medication. Given this information, which career would be best for me? Engineering or engineering technology?","c_root_id_A":"cyaxj7l","c_root_id_B":"cyay9le","created_at_utc_A":1451049933,"created_at_utc_B":1451052860,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Do us all a favor, don't get an engineering degree because people say \"you're smart, you should be an engineer\". Do what you want and be great at it. Every professional needs smart people. Would you rather be the top of your profession without trying hard or a mediocre engineer dispised for not having drive? If you go to the engineering field just because you're smart then shouldn't all murderers enter the military? Should all asshole-blowhards enter politics?","human_ref_B":"Simple answer is engineering if you can. You'll make more in short order, much more over your lifetime. You'll have access to less physical jobs, which means a longer productive career. And you could always doo a more hands on technician type job if you wanted (and likely get paid more than the techs).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2927.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"3y5eeq","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"I'm seeking advice on whether I should pursue a career as an engineering technologist\/technician or as an engineer. I'm very good with math and physics. I was an astrophysics major at Ohio University's honors college for 3 years back when I wanted to become an astrophysicist. I would definitely be able to handle the theory involved with engineering. Here is my concern. I don't want a particularly demanding job. I'm fine with getting paid less to do less demanding work. I value my free time a lot, and I have intellectual hobbies I would like to be able to pursue (like studying astrophysics). I don't want to use up most of my time and mental energy on my job and not be able to pursue these hobbies when I'm home. I want a job that is stimulating and engaging, but I don't want my work to follow me home or to be super stressed about deadlines. I enjoy thinking logically and analyzing things to see how they work. I don't like large projects; I prefer task-oriented work. I enjoy solving equations and working with theories, but not when I'm rushed or under pressure. I'm decent with my hands, but I do have essential tremor, which is well managed with medication. Given this information, which career would be best for me? Engineering or engineering technology?","c_root_id_A":"cyaxwyk","c_root_id_B":"cyay9le","created_at_utc_A":1451051530,"created_at_utc_B":1451052860,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Had similar thoughts to you, got the BS in electrical. Can't stand politics\/stress of consulting. Want to go back and get AS so they'll let me touch the wires. That said, I work with several guys who started it as electricians and went back to get engineering degrees. YMMV","human_ref_B":"Simple answer is engineering if you can. You'll make more in short order, much more over your lifetime. You'll have access to less physical jobs, which means a longer productive career. And you could always doo a more hands on technician type job if you wanted (and likely get paid more than the techs).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1330.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"tkl6y1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is it safe to put offer letters from companies and institutions into a non-restricted drive folder? My university is asking students to upload their offer letters from companies and institutions for higher studies into a google drive folder. The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. What do you guys think I can\/should do?","c_root_id_A":"i1r4xpj","c_root_id_B":"i1r55f0","created_at_utc_A":1648007182,"created_at_utc_B":1648007302,"score_A":28,"score_B":50,"human_ref_A":"No way. They can't know how much you are being offered unless you've signed an agreement that they could.","human_ref_B":"Your personal business is your own and you have no reason to share it with the the university. That said, if you do share it, it is totally irresponsible on the university's part to not have placed adequate controls on the information.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":120.0,"score_ratio":1.7857142857} +{"post_id":"tkl6y1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is it safe to put offer letters from companies and institutions into a non-restricted drive folder? My university is asking students to upload their offer letters from companies and institutions for higher studies into a google drive folder. The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. What do you guys think I can\/should do?","c_root_id_A":"i1rfkay","c_root_id_B":"i1r9h7o","created_at_utc_A":1648013877,"created_at_utc_B":1648009812,"score_A":19,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"They are probably doing a good thing in a bad way. Attempting to keep statistics on how their students are doing in the job market and make sure that the expense of the degrees is paying off and passing those figures to future students to make good degree choices. Every reputable university collects these figures and can provide them if asked. Where they've gone wrong is not following best practices for FERPA and infosec with regard to the confidentiality of the offer letter data in particular. I suspect an email to the IT department, CIO, CISO, or privacy officer of your college about the configuration issues and data privacy risks would have the issue properly remediated within a few days so that they can collect the data in a more secure manner. Such as tabulating it confidentially in a spreadsheet instead of using the raw letters.","human_ref_B":"> I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. If you\u2019re comfortable just ignoring the request, I\u2019d do that. Otherwise, if there\u2019s a dean, department head, or tenured professor you know well and trust not to retaliate, you could raise both issues (the demand for copies of private correspondence and the apparent lack of protection for the uploaded material) with him or her. > The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I\u2019d be *very careful* not to view or change anyone else\u2019s information or take any other action that could be characterized as violating the law or your institution\u2019s policies on computer use.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4065.0,"score_ratio":2.1111111111} +{"post_id":"tkl6y1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is it safe to put offer letters from companies and institutions into a non-restricted drive folder? My university is asking students to upload their offer letters from companies and institutions for higher studies into a google drive folder. The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. What do you guys think I can\/should do?","c_root_id_A":"i1r64hr","c_root_id_B":"i1rfkay","created_at_utc_A":1648007844,"created_at_utc_B":1648013877,"score_A":5,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"It\u2019s not shady but it\u2019s an odd way to go about it. Part of how your school is ranked and how it advertises to students is by collecting that data (how much graduates make and where they\u2019re employed). What are they threatening you with, exactly? On another note: your school already has more PII from you than is in any offer letter but I would be concerned with them storing PII in that insecure a location.","human_ref_B":"They are probably doing a good thing in a bad way. Attempting to keep statistics on how their students are doing in the job market and make sure that the expense of the degrees is paying off and passing those figures to future students to make good degree choices. Every reputable university collects these figures and can provide them if asked. Where they've gone wrong is not following best practices for FERPA and infosec with regard to the confidentiality of the offer letter data in particular. I suspect an email to the IT department, CIO, CISO, or privacy officer of your college about the configuration issues and data privacy risks would have the issue properly remediated within a few days so that they can collect the data in a more secure manner. Such as tabulating it confidentially in a spreadsheet instead of using the raw letters.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6033.0,"score_ratio":3.8} +{"post_id":"tkl6y1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is it safe to put offer letters from companies and institutions into a non-restricted drive folder? My university is asking students to upload their offer letters from companies and institutions for higher studies into a google drive folder. The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. What do you guys think I can\/should do?","c_root_id_A":"i1r7a0q","c_root_id_B":"i1rfkay","created_at_utc_A":1648008501,"created_at_utc_B":1648013877,"score_A":4,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"I find it hard to believe they can demand that info, as in they would withhold your degree for not complying, but if you decide to comply, I would... Print a copy, use a sharpie to black out all personal info, scan it, and upload that version. Note that redacting in Adobe may not really protect your info (or at least that was an issue years ago).","human_ref_B":"They are probably doing a good thing in a bad way. Attempting to keep statistics on how their students are doing in the job market and make sure that the expense of the degrees is paying off and passing those figures to future students to make good degree choices. Every reputable university collects these figures and can provide them if asked. Where they've gone wrong is not following best practices for FERPA and infosec with regard to the confidentiality of the offer letter data in particular. I suspect an email to the IT department, CIO, CISO, or privacy officer of your college about the configuration issues and data privacy risks would have the issue properly remediated within a few days so that they can collect the data in a more secure manner. Such as tabulating it confidentially in a spreadsheet instead of using the raw letters.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5376.0,"score_ratio":4.75} +{"post_id":"tkl6y1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is it safe to put offer letters from companies and institutions into a non-restricted drive folder? My university is asking students to upload their offer letters from companies and institutions for higher studies into a google drive folder. The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. What do you guys think I can\/should do?","c_root_id_A":"i1r5o3i","c_root_id_B":"i1rfkay","created_at_utc_A":1648007590,"created_at_utc_B":1648013877,"score_A":5,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"If they wanted that information they should do an anonymous survey instead of having students submit offer letters. There's a lot of personal information in an offer letter. I wouldn't, because they can't force you too. But does the company you got an offer letter have a special relationship with your university? If you're not sure, just ask your supervisor.","human_ref_B":"They are probably doing a good thing in a bad way. Attempting to keep statistics on how their students are doing in the job market and make sure that the expense of the degrees is paying off and passing those figures to future students to make good degree choices. Every reputable university collects these figures and can provide them if asked. Where they've gone wrong is not following best practices for FERPA and infosec with regard to the confidentiality of the offer letter data in particular. I suspect an email to the IT department, CIO, CISO, or privacy officer of your college about the configuration issues and data privacy risks would have the issue properly remediated within a few days so that they can collect the data in a more secure manner. Such as tabulating it confidentially in a spreadsheet instead of using the raw letters.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6287.0,"score_ratio":3.8} +{"post_id":"tkl6y1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is it safe to put offer letters from companies and institutions into a non-restricted drive folder? My university is asking students to upload their offer letters from companies and institutions for higher studies into a google drive folder. The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. What do you guys think I can\/should do?","c_root_id_A":"i1req3p","c_root_id_B":"i1rfkay","created_at_utc_A":1648013268,"created_at_utc_B":1648013877,"score_A":3,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"How do they know what offers you get? If it isn't secure then you're leaking your future boss' information as well. Not cool. I would just start submitting a bunch of random letters to screw with them. What a ridiculous request.","human_ref_B":"They are probably doing a good thing in a bad way. Attempting to keep statistics on how their students are doing in the job market and make sure that the expense of the degrees is paying off and passing those figures to future students to make good degree choices. Every reputable university collects these figures and can provide them if asked. Where they've gone wrong is not following best practices for FERPA and infosec with regard to the confidentiality of the offer letter data in particular. I suspect an email to the IT department, CIO, CISO, or privacy officer of your college about the configuration issues and data privacy risks would have the issue properly remediated within a few days so that they can collect the data in a more secure manner. Such as tabulating it confidentially in a spreadsheet instead of using the raw letters.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":609.0,"score_ratio":6.3333333333} +{"post_id":"tkl6y1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is it safe to put offer letters from companies and institutions into a non-restricted drive folder? My university is asking students to upload their offer letters from companies and institutions for higher studies into a google drive folder. The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. What do you guys think I can\/should do?","c_root_id_A":"i1r79ts","c_root_id_B":"i1rfkay","created_at_utc_A":1648008497,"created_at_utc_B":1648013877,"score_A":2,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"That\u2019s a no.","human_ref_B":"They are probably doing a good thing in a bad way. Attempting to keep statistics on how their students are doing in the job market and make sure that the expense of the degrees is paying off and passing those figures to future students to make good degree choices. Every reputable university collects these figures and can provide them if asked. Where they've gone wrong is not following best practices for FERPA and infosec with regard to the confidentiality of the offer letter data in particular. I suspect an email to the IT department, CIO, CISO, or privacy officer of your college about the configuration issues and data privacy risks would have the issue properly remediated within a few days so that they can collect the data in a more secure manner. Such as tabulating it confidentially in a spreadsheet instead of using the raw letters.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5380.0,"score_ratio":9.5} +{"post_id":"tkl6y1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is it safe to put offer letters from companies and institutions into a non-restricted drive folder? My university is asking students to upload their offer letters from companies and institutions for higher studies into a google drive folder. The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. What do you guys think I can\/should do?","c_root_id_A":"i1r64hr","c_root_id_B":"i1r9h7o","created_at_utc_A":1648007844,"created_at_utc_B":1648009812,"score_A":5,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"It\u2019s not shady but it\u2019s an odd way to go about it. Part of how your school is ranked and how it advertises to students is by collecting that data (how much graduates make and where they\u2019re employed). What are they threatening you with, exactly? On another note: your school already has more PII from you than is in any offer letter but I would be concerned with them storing PII in that insecure a location.","human_ref_B":"> I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. If you\u2019re comfortable just ignoring the request, I\u2019d do that. Otherwise, if there\u2019s a dean, department head, or tenured professor you know well and trust not to retaliate, you could raise both issues (the demand for copies of private correspondence and the apparent lack of protection for the uploaded material) with him or her. > The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I\u2019d be *very careful* not to view or change anyone else\u2019s information or take any other action that could be characterized as violating the law or your institution\u2019s policies on computer use.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1968.0,"score_ratio":1.8} +{"post_id":"tkl6y1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is it safe to put offer letters from companies and institutions into a non-restricted drive folder? My university is asking students to upload their offer letters from companies and institutions for higher studies into a google drive folder. The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. What do you guys think I can\/should do?","c_root_id_A":"i1r9h7o","c_root_id_B":"i1r7a0q","created_at_utc_A":1648009812,"created_at_utc_B":1648008501,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"> I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. If you\u2019re comfortable just ignoring the request, I\u2019d do that. Otherwise, if there\u2019s a dean, department head, or tenured professor you know well and trust not to retaliate, you could raise both issues (the demand for copies of private correspondence and the apparent lack of protection for the uploaded material) with him or her. > The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I\u2019d be *very careful* not to view or change anyone else\u2019s information or take any other action that could be characterized as violating the law or your institution\u2019s policies on computer use.","human_ref_B":"I find it hard to believe they can demand that info, as in they would withhold your degree for not complying, but if you decide to comply, I would... Print a copy, use a sharpie to black out all personal info, scan it, and upload that version. Note that redacting in Adobe may not really protect your info (or at least that was an issue years ago).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1311.0,"score_ratio":2.25} +{"post_id":"tkl6y1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is it safe to put offer letters from companies and institutions into a non-restricted drive folder? My university is asking students to upload their offer letters from companies and institutions for higher studies into a google drive folder. The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. What do you guys think I can\/should do?","c_root_id_A":"i1r5o3i","c_root_id_B":"i1r9h7o","created_at_utc_A":1648007590,"created_at_utc_B":1648009812,"score_A":5,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"If they wanted that information they should do an anonymous survey instead of having students submit offer letters. There's a lot of personal information in an offer letter. I wouldn't, because they can't force you too. But does the company you got an offer letter have a special relationship with your university? If you're not sure, just ask your supervisor.","human_ref_B":"> I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. If you\u2019re comfortable just ignoring the request, I\u2019d do that. Otherwise, if there\u2019s a dean, department head, or tenured professor you know well and trust not to retaliate, you could raise both issues (the demand for copies of private correspondence and the apparent lack of protection for the uploaded material) with him or her. > The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I\u2019d be *very careful* not to view or change anyone else\u2019s information or take any other action that could be characterized as violating the law or your institution\u2019s policies on computer use.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2222.0,"score_ratio":1.8} +{"post_id":"tkl6y1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is it safe to put offer letters from companies and institutions into a non-restricted drive folder? My university is asking students to upload their offer letters from companies and institutions for higher studies into a google drive folder. The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. What do you guys think I can\/should do?","c_root_id_A":"i1r79ts","c_root_id_B":"i1r9h7o","created_at_utc_A":1648008497,"created_at_utc_B":1648009812,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"That\u2019s a no.","human_ref_B":"> I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. If you\u2019re comfortable just ignoring the request, I\u2019d do that. Otherwise, if there\u2019s a dean, department head, or tenured professor you know well and trust not to retaliate, you could raise both issues (the demand for copies of private correspondence and the apparent lack of protection for the uploaded material) with him or her. > The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I\u2019d be *very careful* not to view or change anyone else\u2019s information or take any other action that could be characterized as violating the law or your institution\u2019s policies on computer use.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1315.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"tkl6y1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is it safe to put offer letters from companies and institutions into a non-restricted drive folder? My university is asking students to upload their offer letters from companies and institutions for higher studies into a google drive folder. The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. What do you guys think I can\/should do?","c_root_id_A":"i1r7a0q","c_root_id_B":"i1r79ts","created_at_utc_A":1648008501,"created_at_utc_B":1648008497,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I find it hard to believe they can demand that info, as in they would withhold your degree for not complying, but if you decide to comply, I would... Print a copy, use a sharpie to black out all personal info, scan it, and upload that version. Note that redacting in Adobe may not really protect your info (or at least that was an issue years ago).","human_ref_B":"That\u2019s a no.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"tkl6y1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is it safe to put offer letters from companies and institutions into a non-restricted drive folder? My university is asking students to upload their offer letters from companies and institutions for higher studies into a google drive folder. The fact they are asking for this info is itself shady, but they are asking to put it in a folder that is completely non-restricted and anyone with the link can edit these folders. I am concerned and not sure what to do, they are threatening us to give this info. What do you guys think I can\/should do?","c_root_id_A":"i1r79ts","c_root_id_B":"i1req3p","created_at_utc_A":1648008497,"created_at_utc_B":1648013268,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"That\u2019s a no.","human_ref_B":"How do they know what offers you get? If it isn't secure then you're leaking your future boss' information as well. Not cool. I would just start submitting a bunch of random letters to screw with them. What a ridiculous request.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4771.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"23yu1p","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"American Engineers: What are your experiences with the Metric system? Do you use it in class or at work? Did you find it easy to learn or frustrating? I'm losing my mind over Ideal Gases in the imperial system and this question is a lot more interesting than studying for my exam.","c_root_id_A":"ch1wd6d","c_root_id_B":"ch1wic7","created_at_utc_A":1398448233,"created_at_utc_B":1398448514,"score_A":19,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"At my first job, one of the things I had to do was convert an entire product line from english to metric. After doing so, I know most common fractional inch conversions to metric in my head. These days, it only comes in handy when I can't find the wrench I need, but I know that a 19mm will work in place of a 3\/4\", most of the time. As for doing engineering work in the various unit systems, I don't really mind either one, since when I was in college, we always had a mix of the two in our example problems. Now that I'm working, I find the strangest combinations of units. Where I am now, we make equipment that's part of the process of making animal feed, and in doing that, you get into concentrations. A common unit that I see is \"g\/ton\" which is the number of grams of a particular ingredient per ton (2000lb) of feed. It seems weird, but I guess that's how it's done, so I just roll with it.","human_ref_B":"just another unit conversion in a world of unit conversions.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":281.0,"score_ratio":2.4736842105} +{"post_id":"23yu1p","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"American Engineers: What are your experiences with the Metric system? Do you use it in class or at work? Did you find it easy to learn or frustrating? I'm losing my mind over Ideal Gases in the imperial system and this question is a lot more interesting than studying for my exam.","c_root_id_A":"ch1zptl","c_root_id_B":"ch21p0e","created_at_utc_A":1398454979,"created_at_utc_B":1398459109,"score_A":8,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"In school we were expected to be fluent in both however, and bear with me, in class it depended highly on the subject matter. If it was more theoretical then it was nearly 100% in SI as would only be appropriate. With other more pragmatic courses (internal combustion engines, power plant design, etc) it would be in imperial since that was more industry standard for those applications. Now I work in building system and power plant energy efficiency and we utilize both depending on the convention. Generator output and electrical use is always measured in SI, however prime movers (the engine part), motors, boilers, etc all seem to be in BTU or HP or whatever concocted unit (BHP, what the hell??) is standard there. Basically it varies. My point of view is similar to \/u\/aDDnTN ,basically its just more conversions. Frankly if you are even a mediocre engineer, you are capable of doing to very simple algebra required to transfer from one unit to another. It should be the least complex skill you posses and barely be counted as some sort of proficiency. In my perfect world I would argue for all SI, however I believe it has been discussed with some academic rigor that it would be severely cost prohibitive to do so in the US. Good luck on your exam!","human_ref_B":"SI makes a lot more sense to me, and I much prefer to use it when doing math. In class, we always used it to solve problems. But my intuition is still set in Imperial units, having been born and raised in the U.S.. When designing, I tend to think in inches rather than centimeters, but after the brainstorming phase I convert everything to metric (and round to sensible quantities, of course). Do I wish I could think in metric and avoid the conversion step? Yes. But when I hear something is 8cm long, I can't visualize it without quickly converting to the approximate equivalent in inches: in this case, a little more than 3in.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4130.0,"score_ratio":1.375} +{"post_id":"23yu1p","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"American Engineers: What are your experiences with the Metric system? Do you use it in class or at work? Did you find it easy to learn or frustrating? I'm losing my mind over Ideal Gases in the imperial system and this question is a lot more interesting than studying for my exam.","c_root_id_A":"ch20kg2","c_root_id_B":"ch21p0e","created_at_utc_A":1398456733,"created_at_utc_B":1398459109,"score_A":5,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"The worst metric - imperial clash comes when you're working on precision machined or molded parts and one person is talking in mils (thousandths of an inch) while the other person is talking in millimeters.","human_ref_B":"SI makes a lot more sense to me, and I much prefer to use it when doing math. In class, we always used it to solve problems. But my intuition is still set in Imperial units, having been born and raised in the U.S.. When designing, I tend to think in inches rather than centimeters, but after the brainstorming phase I convert everything to metric (and round to sensible quantities, of course). Do I wish I could think in metric and avoid the conversion step? Yes. But when I hear something is 8cm long, I can't visualize it without quickly converting to the approximate equivalent in inches: in this case, a little more than 3in.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2376.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"23yu1p","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"American Engineers: What are your experiences with the Metric system? Do you use it in class or at work? Did you find it easy to learn or frustrating? I'm losing my mind over Ideal Gases in the imperial system and this question is a lot more interesting than studying for my exam.","c_root_id_A":"ch21yaw","c_root_id_B":"ch26vhe","created_at_utc_A":1398459665,"created_at_utc_B":1398471406,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I work for a company that does everything internally in imperial units, but the majority of our customers want reports and things in SI \/ metric. So I get to convert the data we get from customers from metric to imperial, then convert everything back to metric before giving my reports back to them. \/grumble","human_ref_B":"I won't do force calculations in English units, fuck slugs. But then again I have no feel for pressures in Pascals so I use PSI or ATMs to Torr. Use whatever works. When dealing with Europeans pay close attention to if they quote prices in Euros or Dollars, that is important. I have known them to say Dollars then later insist they quoted Euros, so always double check up front.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11741.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"23yu1p","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"American Engineers: What are your experiences with the Metric system? Do you use it in class or at work? Did you find it easy to learn or frustrating? I'm losing my mind over Ideal Gases in the imperial system and this question is a lot more interesting than studying for my exam.","c_root_id_A":"ch26vhe","c_root_id_B":"ch22y0t","created_at_utc_A":1398471406,"created_at_utc_B":1398461858,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I won't do force calculations in English units, fuck slugs. But then again I have no feel for pressures in Pascals so I use PSI or ATMs to Torr. Use whatever works. When dealing with Europeans pay close attention to if they quote prices in Euros or Dollars, that is important. I have known them to say Dollars then later insist they quoted Euros, so always double check up front.","human_ref_B":"Undergrad here- everything's metric, except for the torque wrenches the techs use for verification\/wear experiments.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9548.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"23yu1p","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"American Engineers: What are your experiences with the Metric system? Do you use it in class or at work? Did you find it easy to learn or frustrating? I'm losing my mind over Ideal Gases in the imperial system and this question is a lot more interesting than studying for my exam.","c_root_id_A":"ch22czc","c_root_id_B":"ch21yaw","created_at_utc_A":1398460573,"created_at_utc_B":1398459665,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Use it all the time.... There happens to be no imperial unit for volt, watt.... That's why you use millivolts instead of thou volts (sounds crazy just saying that considering thou is specific to distance). Silliness aside - it can only harm you to refuse to use or fail to understand an entire system of measurement. Also, avoid ambiguity. Imperial is not necessarily the same as US Customary.","human_ref_B":"I work for a company that does everything internally in imperial units, but the majority of our customers want reports and things in SI \/ metric. So I get to convert the data we get from customers from metric to imperial, then convert everything back to metric before giving my reports back to them. \/grumble","labels":1,"seconds_difference":908.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"23yu1p","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"American Engineers: What are your experiences with the Metric system? Do you use it in class or at work? Did you find it easy to learn or frustrating? I'm losing my mind over Ideal Gases in the imperial system and this question is a lot more interesting than studying for my exam.","c_root_id_A":"ch265jo","c_root_id_B":"ch21yaw","created_at_utc_A":1398469573,"created_at_utc_B":1398459665,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Metric since 1799 here, I can't imagine using something else. Not that easy for us to learn the imperial system (I sometimes need inchs and PSI for work). How can you visualize all those fractions? For tubing for example it's a nightmare to us, 5\/16\"? what is that? I usually switch to SI asap.","human_ref_B":"I work for a company that does everything internally in imperial units, but the majority of our customers want reports and things in SI \/ metric. So I get to convert the data we get from customers from metric to imperial, then convert everything back to metric before giving my reports back to them. \/grumble","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9908.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"23yu1p","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"American Engineers: What are your experiences with the Metric system? Do you use it in class or at work? Did you find it easy to learn or frustrating? I'm losing my mind over Ideal Gases in the imperial system and this question is a lot more interesting than studying for my exam.","c_root_id_A":"ch265jo","c_root_id_B":"ch22y0t","created_at_utc_A":1398469573,"created_at_utc_B":1398461858,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Metric since 1799 here, I can't imagine using something else. Not that easy for us to learn the imperial system (I sometimes need inchs and PSI for work). How can you visualize all those fractions? For tubing for example it's a nightmare to us, 5\/16\"? what is that? I usually switch to SI asap.","human_ref_B":"Undergrad here- everything's metric, except for the torque wrenches the techs use for verification\/wear experiments.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7715.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"23yu1p","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"American Engineers: What are your experiences with the Metric system? Do you use it in class or at work? Did you find it easy to learn or frustrating? I'm losing my mind over Ideal Gases in the imperial system and this question is a lot more interesting than studying for my exam.","c_root_id_A":"ch273cq","c_root_id_B":"ch27a6v","created_at_utc_A":1398471958,"created_at_utc_B":1398472441,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I worked in both systems before when I was in the foundry industry , we had a lot of international customers. Now primarily in production systems most US contractors deal soley in feet - inch drawings. The switch is only hard if you are doing things in your head, most of the time I have a calculator. Online converters are also nice.","human_ref_B":"There is the classical multi-million dollar conversion challenge that was the mars orbiter. http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mars_Climate_Orbiter While many engineers in here imply or straight up tell you how simple it is. It can actually become complex very quickly and very frustrating when missed. Probably one of the more challenging tasks can be remembering to do the simple things... TLDR: converting units can be a ($327million) pain in the ass","labels":0,"seconds_difference":483.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"23yu1p","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"American Engineers: What are your experiences with the Metric system? Do you use it in class or at work? Did you find it easy to learn or frustrating? I'm losing my mind over Ideal Gases in the imperial system and this question is a lot more interesting than studying for my exam.","c_root_id_A":"ch273cq","c_root_id_B":"ch2im7l","created_at_utc_A":1398471958,"created_at_utc_B":1398515931,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I worked in both systems before when I was in the foundry industry , we had a lot of international customers. Now primarily in production systems most US contractors deal soley in feet - inch drawings. The switch is only hard if you are doing things in your head, most of the time I have a calculator. Online converters are also nice.","human_ref_B":"Learned it in college. Started working in a US nuclear plant which is all \"US\" units. Somehow I like US units better. Must be a form of Stockholm syndrome.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":43973.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"23yu1p","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"American Engineers: What are your experiences with the Metric system? Do you use it in class or at work? Did you find it easy to learn or frustrating? I'm losing my mind over Ideal Gases in the imperial system and this question is a lot more interesting than studying for my exam.","c_root_id_A":"ch27f46","c_root_id_B":"ch2im7l","created_at_utc_A":1398472777,"created_at_utc_B":1398515931,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I prefer to work most equations in the metric system, especially anything that might otherwise require working with slugs. Also, Ideal Gas law work since mol\/g is how everything is given and most of the world is much happier with kPa rather than psi. On that note, mind your gauge vs absolute pressure. As far as product design goes, Metric fasteners just don't have the same variety. When I have tried designing in Metric in the past I would just use Metric dimensions and imperial fasteners. Then you have to make sure your shop isn't reading the design in Imperial or there is confusion on the quote as well.","human_ref_B":"Learned it in college. Started working in a US nuclear plant which is all \"US\" units. Somehow I like US units better. Must be a form of Stockholm syndrome.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":43154.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"an1svu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How do I approach my boss about working from home on a semi-permanent basis? Hello Askengineers, I am currently employed in the automation industry in Ontario doing a variety of responsibilities that help sustain and support the other engineers in addition to detailing CAD and other documentation. Since I do not have much hands on work designing, I don't actively need to interact with the shop floor, this also allows me to pilot a wfh initiative to see how reliable and system is when working remotely, which my boss has encouraged. Recently my wife has received a placement for her career specialization in a location known primarily for oil and gas (which I fully believe is dying and would be career suicide for me). Additionally I don't want to quit this job or leave automation\/robotics. How should I approach my boss regarding this information and request more opportunities to wfh at this location. I figure my options are as follows: - Work primarily in current location with the occasional wfh from the other location (1 week a month) - Work half on site and half remotely (2 weeks a month) - Work primarily remotely and fly in when I am necessary to be on site Performance evaluations are also coming out around March but I feel it would be too late to wait as my wife is starting her specialization in July.","c_root_id_A":"efq56eb","c_root_id_B":"efq6gn1","created_at_utc_A":1549291042,"created_at_utc_B":1549292208,"score_A":9,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Just some anecdotal evidence for encouragement: my friend is an electrical engineer for a huge wireless provider and has been working from home the past 15 years or so. He goes to headquarters about twice per month for meetings.","human_ref_B":"If you haven't already, read the book \"The 4 hour work week\" by Tim Farris. He basically outlines exactly how to do this. The overview of this is, start setting up your work process so you already are working 'out of the house'. So when the day comes that you do ask for it, your boss has nothing to refute on why you need to be in the office. I'm a remote worker (Engineering Sales Manager). I have a lot of technology that helps me focus yet still interact easily with my boss. Some or all of these you may already be using, so just make them work efficiently if you are. We use skype\/Microsoft teams for meetings all the time. Not just phone calls. It makes it easy to just pull up a document to review or discuss. My home office is set up like a studio, so I have a nice background and a really good desktop speaker phone and HD Web camera. I made it a point that it doesn't look crappy. My work phone system is VOIP and I can have an extension in my home that rings in our office 200 miles away. I can have it ring both my cell or my work phone. Half the time my boss is confused because he's like \"Wait where did I call you? I thought you were in Texas?\" Which is good. The point is it's seamless. Any questions let me know.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1166.0,"score_ratio":2.1111111111} +{"post_id":"t932yz","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How would you approach this issue to protect the trains? So I just watched this Tom Scott video and they discussed how some fencing wire, counterweights, and manual labour has been protecting Scottish trains for 140 years (that's 1882 it was implemented) Essentially the signals are all mechanical, rock rolls down the hill, snaps the wire, and the signal alerts danger ahead. The video discusses how they haven't found a better modern solution yet. So I'm interested to hear if anyone has any other thoughts? My only thought is adding a back to base alarm that the signal has been triggered, but leave the currently functional system intact.","c_root_id_A":"hzsvgmp","c_root_id_B":"hzs6au1","created_at_utc_A":1646715653,"created_at_utc_B":1646703349,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"As someone who designs these systems for a living, there is no real other way. The regulatory organization (AREMA) has stated that slide fences are the standard. When a rock or something comes and breaks the line circuit for a slide fence, the signal before will warn the train that the slide fence has been triggered. The train is allowed to move forward at a slow speed just in case if there was a landslide. But if it was a false break, the train is allowed to move through the slide fence area at a slow speed. Operationally speaking, it doesn't slow down network capacity. Either way, the system works with the intended consequences.","human_ref_B":"Frankly, the best approach might be to completely redo the same mechanical approach with new materials and off the shelf parts in a parallel system, leaving the old one intact. Maybe add a few electrical sensors like you indicated.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12304.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"t932yz","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How would you approach this issue to protect the trains? So I just watched this Tom Scott video and they discussed how some fencing wire, counterweights, and manual labour has been protecting Scottish trains for 140 years (that's 1882 it was implemented) Essentially the signals are all mechanical, rock rolls down the hill, snaps the wire, and the signal alerts danger ahead. The video discusses how they haven't found a better modern solution yet. So I'm interested to hear if anyone has any other thoughts? My only thought is adding a back to base alarm that the signal has been triggered, but leave the currently functional system intact.","c_root_id_A":"hzsdwkr","c_root_id_B":"hzsvgmp","created_at_utc_A":1646706839,"created_at_utc_B":1646715653,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"A fence next to the tracks with vinyl(?) tubing. Pressurize the tubing. The tubing is connected to a pneumatic actuator (w\/ spring return). Rock breaks tubing. Pressure drop allows actuator to spring back (signal!). Reset means replacing a section of tubing and turning the air compressor back on way back at base camp (could be a long ways away!). Similar in a lot of ways, but no weights to reset and you need not run the tubing horribly tight in all areas (unless you want to).","human_ref_B":"As someone who designs these systems for a living, there is no real other way. The regulatory organization (AREMA) has stated that slide fences are the standard. When a rock or something comes and breaks the line circuit for a slide fence, the signal before will warn the train that the slide fence has been triggered. The train is allowed to move forward at a slow speed just in case if there was a landslide. But if it was a false break, the train is allowed to move through the slide fence area at a slow speed. Operationally speaking, it doesn't slow down network capacity. Either way, the system works with the intended consequences.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8814.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"t932yz","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How would you approach this issue to protect the trains? So I just watched this Tom Scott video and they discussed how some fencing wire, counterweights, and manual labour has been protecting Scottish trains for 140 years (that's 1882 it was implemented) Essentially the signals are all mechanical, rock rolls down the hill, snaps the wire, and the signal alerts danger ahead. The video discusses how they haven't found a better modern solution yet. So I'm interested to hear if anyone has any other thoughts? My only thought is adding a back to base alarm that the signal has been triggered, but leave the currently functional system intact.","c_root_id_A":"hzsi0bh","c_root_id_B":"hzsvgmp","created_at_utc_A":1646708731,"created_at_utc_B":1646715653,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"This is the system in the western US as well. Everything mechanical would be a system to alert when a rock slide has occurred. Nothing to prevent it. Keep in mind that railroads keep things simple. I once heard a carman call a straight edge a \"sophisticated instrument\".","human_ref_B":"As someone who designs these systems for a living, there is no real other way. The regulatory organization (AREMA) has stated that slide fences are the standard. When a rock or something comes and breaks the line circuit for a slide fence, the signal before will warn the train that the slide fence has been triggered. The train is allowed to move forward at a slow speed just in case if there was a landslide. But if it was a false break, the train is allowed to move through the slide fence area at a slow speed. Operationally speaking, it doesn't slow down network capacity. Either way, the system works with the intended consequences.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6922.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"2ae99z","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"What would an \/r\/askengineers produced competitor to the F-35 aircraft look like? (Semi-Serious) I've noticed more discussions about the F-35 popping up on reddit lately discussing the problems that have occurred during the aircraft's development, the pros and cons of decisions that were made during the craft's design, and so on. We even had a hearty discussion about it yesterday in this forum. So, how would you have done it? Given the same resources and time, what would your F-35 look like? 1. How would you define the specific role and performance needs of the aircraft? 2. What aircraft would you actually produce? What features will it have or forego? How will you innovate in development, manufacturing, and future maintenance? How will you use it? 3. How do you sell this as a viable competitor or even a superior replacement for the F-35? Note: I'm not a hater or apologist of the F-35. I'd just like to use this as a reason to get some productive discussion going about an interesting engineering challenge. If we could all agree on one (or more) designs to fill the equivalent demands of the AskEngineers airforce then what would that be? If you had to be Snoo's wingman on a mission that would otherwise be tasked to a pilot in an F-35 then what would you want to be flying?","c_root_id_A":"ciu6k0m","c_root_id_B":"ciucho0","created_at_utc_A":1405050483,"created_at_utc_B":1405069836,"score_A":35,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"1. That is defined by the customer and depending on who you talk to the #1 issue with the program.","human_ref_B":"http:\/\/imgur.com\/rxCE79V","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19353.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"2ae99z","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"What would an \/r\/askengineers produced competitor to the F-35 aircraft look like? (Semi-Serious) I've noticed more discussions about the F-35 popping up on reddit lately discussing the problems that have occurred during the aircraft's development, the pros and cons of decisions that were made during the craft's design, and so on. We even had a hearty discussion about it yesterday in this forum. So, how would you have done it? Given the same resources and time, what would your F-35 look like? 1. How would you define the specific role and performance needs of the aircraft? 2. What aircraft would you actually produce? What features will it have or forego? How will you innovate in development, manufacturing, and future maintenance? How will you use it? 3. How do you sell this as a viable competitor or even a superior replacement for the F-35? Note: I'm not a hater or apologist of the F-35. I'd just like to use this as a reason to get some productive discussion going about an interesting engineering challenge. If we could all agree on one (or more) designs to fill the equivalent demands of the AskEngineers airforce then what would that be? If you had to be Snoo's wingman on a mission that would otherwise be tasked to a pilot in an F-35 then what would you want to be flying?","c_root_id_A":"ciu9p06","c_root_id_B":"ciucho0","created_at_utc_A":1405058451,"created_at_utc_B":1405069836,"score_A":15,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"In my opinion, the primary problem is complexity. It's not just a jet fighter, it's a Manned-VTOL-CarrierCompatible-Stealth-MachSpeed-AirRefuelable-SuperFighter. Every feature adds complexity, adds cost, adds risk, and adds delays. So what would my replacement look like? Like a drone. Unmanned drones are cheaper, lighter, can pull higher G-forces, can be customized to the task, and no one worries when the thing crashes in enemy territory. Let's look a cost breakdown: F-35: $140M each Predator drone: $4M each That's 35 drones for every one F-35. I call that a good deal. Even if we double or triple the cost to produce a bunch of customized versions (a stealth one, a heavily armed one for bombing, a recon one, a long-range one, an air-superiority one, etc), that's still a far greater capability. And with less complexity, there's less that can go wrong and less time being maintained or repaired. It's also easier to replace and upgrade a $4M drone than a $140M fighter. The Wiki page said the **last** F-35 should be delivered in 2037. That's assuming no additional delays or cost overruns. Drones were a novelty 10 years ago, now they are everywhere. Imagine where they'll be in 20 years. A simpler craft will be able to stay up to date with technology. A 55-year fighter program will be hilariously outdated in a few decades. Imagine if the US government stuck with WWII fighters for 55 years until about 2000. It's ridiculous. The era of manned fighters is over. Wasting a trillion dollars on a new one is the height of absurdity.","human_ref_B":"http:\/\/imgur.com\/rxCE79V","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11385.0,"score_ratio":2.8} +{"post_id":"2ae99z","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"What would an \/r\/askengineers produced competitor to the F-35 aircraft look like? (Semi-Serious) I've noticed more discussions about the F-35 popping up on reddit lately discussing the problems that have occurred during the aircraft's development, the pros and cons of decisions that were made during the craft's design, and so on. We even had a hearty discussion about it yesterday in this forum. So, how would you have done it? Given the same resources and time, what would your F-35 look like? 1. How would you define the specific role and performance needs of the aircraft? 2. What aircraft would you actually produce? What features will it have or forego? How will you innovate in development, manufacturing, and future maintenance? How will you use it? 3. How do you sell this as a viable competitor or even a superior replacement for the F-35? Note: I'm not a hater or apologist of the F-35. I'd just like to use this as a reason to get some productive discussion going about an interesting engineering challenge. If we could all agree on one (or more) designs to fill the equivalent demands of the AskEngineers airforce then what would that be? If you had to be Snoo's wingman on a mission that would otherwise be tasked to a pilot in an F-35 then what would you want to be flying?","c_root_id_A":"ciucho0","c_root_id_B":"ciu6r67","created_at_utc_A":1405069836,"created_at_utc_B":1405050929,"score_A":42,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"http:\/\/imgur.com\/rxCE79V","human_ref_B":"As the F-18 grew from the C\/D model to the E\/F model with a lot of recycling of avionics, basic wind tunnel data, etc., I would have shrunk the F-22 down to single engine, smaller, etc. (borrowing avionics, basic aero unchanged, etc.) and told the Marines that they were on their own for a Harrier replacement.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18907.0,"score_ratio":5.25} +{"post_id":"2ae99z","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"What would an \/r\/askengineers produced competitor to the F-35 aircraft look like? (Semi-Serious) I've noticed more discussions about the F-35 popping up on reddit lately discussing the problems that have occurred during the aircraft's development, the pros and cons of decisions that were made during the craft's design, and so on. We even had a hearty discussion about it yesterday in this forum. So, how would you have done it? Given the same resources and time, what would your F-35 look like? 1. How would you define the specific role and performance needs of the aircraft? 2. What aircraft would you actually produce? What features will it have or forego? How will you innovate in development, manufacturing, and future maintenance? How will you use it? 3. How do you sell this as a viable competitor or even a superior replacement for the F-35? Note: I'm not a hater or apologist of the F-35. I'd just like to use this as a reason to get some productive discussion going about an interesting engineering challenge. If we could all agree on one (or more) designs to fill the equivalent demands of the AskEngineers airforce then what would that be? If you had to be Snoo's wingman on a mission that would otherwise be tasked to a pilot in an F-35 then what would you want to be flying?","c_root_id_A":"ciu9p06","c_root_id_B":"ciu6r67","created_at_utc_A":1405058451,"created_at_utc_B":1405050929,"score_A":15,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"In my opinion, the primary problem is complexity. It's not just a jet fighter, it's a Manned-VTOL-CarrierCompatible-Stealth-MachSpeed-AirRefuelable-SuperFighter. Every feature adds complexity, adds cost, adds risk, and adds delays. So what would my replacement look like? Like a drone. Unmanned drones are cheaper, lighter, can pull higher G-forces, can be customized to the task, and no one worries when the thing crashes in enemy territory. Let's look a cost breakdown: F-35: $140M each Predator drone: $4M each That's 35 drones for every one F-35. I call that a good deal. Even if we double or triple the cost to produce a bunch of customized versions (a stealth one, a heavily armed one for bombing, a recon one, a long-range one, an air-superiority one, etc), that's still a far greater capability. And with less complexity, there's less that can go wrong and less time being maintained or repaired. It's also easier to replace and upgrade a $4M drone than a $140M fighter. The Wiki page said the **last** F-35 should be delivered in 2037. That's assuming no additional delays or cost overruns. Drones were a novelty 10 years ago, now they are everywhere. Imagine where they'll be in 20 years. A simpler craft will be able to stay up to date with technology. A 55-year fighter program will be hilariously outdated in a few decades. Imagine if the US government stuck with WWII fighters for 55 years until about 2000. It's ridiculous. The era of manned fighters is over. Wasting a trillion dollars on a new one is the height of absurdity.","human_ref_B":"As the F-18 grew from the C\/D model to the E\/F model with a lot of recycling of avionics, basic wind tunnel data, etc., I would have shrunk the F-22 down to single engine, smaller, etc. (borrowing avionics, basic aero unchanged, etc.) and told the Marines that they were on their own for a Harrier replacement.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7522.0,"score_ratio":1.875} +{"post_id":"2ae99z","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"What would an \/r\/askengineers produced competitor to the F-35 aircraft look like? (Semi-Serious) I've noticed more discussions about the F-35 popping up on reddit lately discussing the problems that have occurred during the aircraft's development, the pros and cons of decisions that were made during the craft's design, and so on. We even had a hearty discussion about it yesterday in this forum. So, how would you have done it? Given the same resources and time, what would your F-35 look like? 1. How would you define the specific role and performance needs of the aircraft? 2. What aircraft would you actually produce? What features will it have or forego? How will you innovate in development, manufacturing, and future maintenance? How will you use it? 3. How do you sell this as a viable competitor or even a superior replacement for the F-35? Note: I'm not a hater or apologist of the F-35. I'd just like to use this as a reason to get some productive discussion going about an interesting engineering challenge. If we could all agree on one (or more) designs to fill the equivalent demands of the AskEngineers airforce then what would that be? 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Never used calc in 10 years, but it's important to understand some concepts.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":431.0,"score_ratio":3.8} +{"post_id":"5wb9j1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How much, and what type of Math do you use? Hello, I am a first year mechanical engineering student at college. I love engineering, but I am not a fan of calculus. How often do you engineers actually use calculus (or other math) and how so? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"de8qsvc","c_root_id_B":"de90ngq","created_at_utc_A":1488132617,"created_at_utc_B":1488145555,"score_A":5,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"In my previous position, I was a controls engineer, and use math all the time. Calculus, diff eq (ODEs and PDEs), linear algebra, numerical analysis, stochastic analysis, complex analysis. In my current position, I am not really doing technical work - it's more requirements development, strategic planning, etc, so that when the software engineers start working on the features, they know exactly how it's supposed to work. I rarely do math, and when I do, it's usually just basic algebra.","human_ref_B":"Electrical here. I use it once in a while, and I use numerical calculus on some custom models\/programs I write once in a while, but it's usually pretty basic stuff. The stuff we used to use hand calculus on (antenna design, etc) are now done with FEA simulation. As others said, it's still important to understand the concepts of it though, even if you don't do it by hand.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12938.0,"score_ratio":1.6} +{"post_id":"5wb9j1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How much, and what type of Math do you use? Hello, I am a first year mechanical engineering student at college. I love engineering, but I am not a fan of calculus. How often do you engineers actually use calculus (or other math) and how so? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"de8srx4","c_root_id_B":"de90ngq","created_at_utc_A":1488135179,"created_at_utc_B":1488145555,"score_A":2,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Some days I use a lot; some days almost none. What you really need is the understanding--what is an integral, what is a derivative. What do you expect one to look like on a plot, given the other. The particular tricks for integrating different functions are not very important.","human_ref_B":"Electrical here. I use it once in a while, and I use numerical calculus on some custom models\/programs I write once in a while, but it's usually pretty basic stuff. The stuff we used to use hand calculus on (antenna design, etc) are now done with FEA simulation. As others said, it's still important to understand the concepts of it though, even if you don't do it by hand.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10376.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"5wb9j1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How much, and what type of Math do you use? Hello, I am a first year mechanical engineering student at college. I love engineering, but I am not a fan of calculus. How often do you engineers actually use calculus (or other math) and how so? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"de8qsvc","c_root_id_B":"de8rhej","created_at_utc_A":1488132617,"created_at_utc_B":1488133499,"score_A":5,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"In my previous position, I was a controls engineer, and use math all the time. Calculus, diff eq (ODEs and PDEs), linear algebra, numerical analysis, stochastic analysis, complex analysis. In my current position, I am not really doing technical work - it's more requirements development, strategic planning, etc, so that when the software engineers start working on the features, they know exactly how it's supposed to work. I rarely do math, and when I do, it's usually just basic algebra.","human_ref_B":"I've been an engineer for 15 years (mostly structural design and analysis for Aerospace). Never touched calculus, but sadly I do like Calculus.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":882.0,"score_ratio":1.6} +{"post_id":"5wb9j1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How much, and what type of Math do you use? Hello, I am a first year mechanical engineering student at college. I love engineering, but I am not a fan of calculus. How often do you engineers actually use calculus (or other math) and how so? 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I rarely do math, and when I do, it's usually just basic algebra.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18111.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"5wb9j1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How much, and what type of Math do you use? Hello, I am a first year mechanical engineering student at college. I love engineering, but I am not a fan of calculus. How often do you engineers actually use calculus (or other math) and how so? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"de94oad","c_root_id_B":"de8srx4","created_at_utc_A":1488150728,"created_at_utc_B":1488135179,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Marine Engineer - I used calculus under training to learn some principles. But I'd be lucky to use anything more advanced then algebra on a daily basis.","human_ref_B":"Some days I use a lot; some days almost none. What you really need is the understanding--what is an integral, what is a derivative. What do you expect one to look like on a plot, given the other. The particular tricks for integrating different functions are not very important.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15549.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"5wb9j1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How much, and what type of Math do you use? Hello, I am a first year mechanical engineering student at college. I love engineering, but I am not a fan of calculus. How often do you engineers actually use calculus (or other math) and how so? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"de94oad","c_root_id_B":"de91hu9","created_at_utc_A":1488150728,"created_at_utc_B":1488146639,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Marine Engineer - I used calculus under training to learn some principles. But I'd be lucky to use anything more advanced then algebra on a daily basis.","human_ref_B":"I'm a mechatronics engineer. I sometimes will use calculus for random things. I think the important thing is being able to go back to a textbook and prove that this structure is, in fact, stable if I had doubts about a thumbrule applying.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4089.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"5wb9j1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How much, and what type of Math do you use? Hello, I am a first year mechanical engineering student at college. I love engineering, but I am not a fan of calculus. How often do you engineers actually use calculus (or other math) and how so? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"de94v16","c_root_id_B":"de8srx4","created_at_utc_A":1488150976,"created_at_utc_B":1488135179,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Vehicle dynamics here, my tools use it a ton on the back end but directly I do very little","human_ref_B":"Some days I use a lot; some days almost none. What you really need is the understanding--what is an integral, what is a derivative. 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I think the important thing is being able to go back to a textbook and prove that this structure is, in fact, stable if I had doubts about a thumbrule applying.","human_ref_B":"Vehicle dynamics here, my tools use it a ton on the back end but directly I do very little","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4337.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"5wb9j1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How much, and what type of Math do you use? Hello, I am a first year mechanical engineering student at college. I love engineering, but I am not a fan of calculus. How often do you engineers actually use calculus (or other math) and how so? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"de9eraw","c_root_id_B":"de95ynx","created_at_utc_A":1488164577,"created_at_utc_B":1488152402,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Quality Engineer. Mostly basic statistical analysis tools. Of course there will be algebra and arithmetic, at impossible to get away from those, but I've never run into a situation where I've needed calculus, to the point that I'm not sure I could tackle a calc problem at this point.","human_ref_B":"ChemE, mostly doing R&D, use a lot of statistics and some calculus.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12175.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"5wb9j1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How much, and what type of Math do you use? Hello, I am a first year mechanical engineering student at college. I love engineering, but I am not a fan of calculus. How often do you engineers actually use calculus (or other math) and how so? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"de9eraw","c_root_id_B":"de97c7x","created_at_utc_A":1488164577,"created_at_utc_B":1488154221,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Quality Engineer. Mostly basic statistical analysis tools. Of course there will be algebra and arithmetic, at impossible to get away from those, but I've never run into a situation where I've needed calculus, to the point that I'm not sure I could tackle a calc problem at this point.","human_ref_B":"Electrical (Applications) engineer. I used calculus once to try and model the rate at which some parts were drifting around. Trig has been helpful a couple of times. Also some very basic statistics. The main use of calculus in my field is in understanding quantities that result from a dot or cross product. Gradients and flux are the most common.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10356.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"5wb9j1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How much, and what type of Math do you use? Hello, I am a first year mechanical engineering student at college. I love engineering, but I am not a fan of calculus. How often do you engineers actually use calculus (or other math) and how so? 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The particular tricks for integrating different functions are not very important.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":29398.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"5wb9j1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How much, and what type of Math do you use? Hello, I am a first year mechanical engineering student at college. I love engineering, but I am not a fan of calculus. How often do you engineers actually use calculus (or other math) and how so? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"de91hu9","c_root_id_B":"de9eraw","created_at_utc_A":1488146639,"created_at_utc_B":1488164577,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I'm a mechatronics engineer. I sometimes will use calculus for random things. I think the important thing is being able to go back to a textbook and prove that this structure is, in fact, stable if I had doubts about a thumbrule applying.","human_ref_B":"Quality Engineer. Mostly basic statistical analysis tools. Of course there will be algebra and arithmetic, at impossible to get away from those, but I've never run into a situation where I've needed calculus, to the point that I'm not sure I could tackle a calc problem at this point.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17938.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"5wb9j1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How much, and what type of Math do you use? Hello, I am a first year mechanical engineering student at college. I love engineering, but I am not a fan of calculus. How often do you engineers actually use calculus (or other math) and how so? 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Didn't solve any integrals by hand, but spent a lot of time putting together differential equations to get stuffed into a 4th order RK integrator (that I coded from scratch from a numerical methods text). Fun times! Loved every minute.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10025.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"y97r9n","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Is there a list of where different coding languages are used professionally and commercially? This is just something that seems interesting and I can't find a list in a format I like. I heard that Spotify uses java for it's servers and python for the app. I'm not sure how reliable that information is, but I'm looking for something that will tell me things like that.","c_root_id_A":"it4np39","c_root_id_B":"it4sbz9","created_at_utc_A":1666304195,"created_at_utc_B":1666306273,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Depends the industry. Safety critical software will have standards such as EN 50128 that covers implementation and accepted compilers etc.","human_ref_B":"There are literally hundreds of different languages, and probably 20-30 that are used pretty commonly.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2078.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"ygvnzv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys know any materials that resin wont stick to? i'm helping my family business and wanted to make some improvements into the methods that we use do you guys know any kind of material or coating that polyester resin wont stick to?, something like hydrophobic coatings work repelling water leaving the material free from residues thx on advance, reddit people!","c_root_id_A":"iuask7m","c_root_id_B":"iuapjoc","created_at_utc_A":1667081270,"created_at_utc_B":1667079908,"score_A":72,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"Waxes and mold release.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m not a chemical engineer, but I suggest you try teflon. 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You should also consider pouring a silicone rubber, which often do not require a release (see https:\/\/polytek.com\/tutorial\/should-i-use-polyurethane-mold-rubber-or-silicone-mold-rubber\/) Edited to add\u2014my experience with Teflon was not good. It was too smooth, and the resin slid down and pooled in the three dimensional part. A silicon profile that can be removed will often last for 50-100 parts before needing repoured. A mold release, if that is chosen, should be added between each part.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4890.0,"score_ratio":1.7} +{"post_id":"ygvnzv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys know any materials that resin wont stick to? i'm helping my family business and wanted to make some improvements into the methods that we use do you guys know any kind of material or coating that polyester resin wont stick to?, something like hydrophobic coatings work repelling water leaving the material free from residues thx on advance, reddit people!","c_root_id_A":"iuay26m","c_root_id_B":"iub39ff","created_at_utc_A":1667083843,"created_at_utc_B":1667086316,"score_A":6,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"My wife does resin casting and she says plexiglass, silicone, and the shiny side of packing tape, whatever that\u2019s made of.","human_ref_B":"Work in fiberglass polyesters \u2014 the key phrase you\u2019re looking for is \"mold release\". 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A mold release, if that is chosen, should be added between each part.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2473.0,"score_ratio":2.8333333333} +{"post_id":"ygvnzv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys know any materials that resin wont stick to? i'm helping my family business and wanted to make some improvements into the methods that we use do you guys know any kind of material or coating that polyester resin wont stick to?, something like hydrophobic coatings work repelling water leaving the material free from residues thx on advance, reddit people!","c_root_id_A":"iub39ff","c_root_id_B":"iub1xn9","created_at_utc_A":1667086316,"created_at_utc_B":1667085668,"score_A":17,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Work in fiberglass polyesters \u2014 the key phrase you\u2019re looking for is \"mold release\". There are several waxes like ultralease mold release that work. 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And if I build stuff for Japenese factories they even appreciate the random dinging and beeping noises that come out of my work ;)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":365.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"91hode","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Are you self taught in a skill (unaided by school or work) that helped you get a job?","c_root_id_A":"e2yyd3b","c_root_id_B":"e2ypo0y","created_at_utc_A":1532469008,"created_at_utc_B":1532461613,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Electronics repair. Especially old electromechanical pinball machines. Surprisingly relevant in machine design. And if I build stuff for Japenese factories they even appreciate the random dinging and beeping noises that come out of my work ;)","human_ref_B":"Web design, block chain development, and software development. 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Also, how do you make sure all that fuel can be spent, without anything remaining at the bottom or in pipes?","c_root_id_A":"fvay3ed","c_root_id_B":"fvb0yj3","created_at_utc_A":1592538607,"created_at_utc_B":1592540549,"score_A":4,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"So planes almost always feel very close to 1g. When it's accelerating on the runway, fuel goes backwards sure but remains on an inlet. So it's really not much of an issue. There are multiple inlets. There are multiple tanks. There are baffles. Once it's inside the fuel lines there is a pressure gradient taking it through the filter and valves and on towards the engine. Also aircraft fuel tanks swap fuel between them e.g. to maintain balance. It's automatically managed unless there's a fault and needs override.","human_ref_B":"Planes are rated for \"fuel capacity\" and \"usable fuel capacity\". Typically for small planes there will be 1 or 2 gallons left in the system after the usable fuel is used. Aerobatic planes rated for inverted flight will have a \"clunk\" weight fuel pickup. That's a flexible line ending in a weight inside the tank which will fall to the same place the fuel falls to during maneuvers. There will also be means to make sure the engine oil gets picked up for the engine during inverted flight.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1942.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"hbst27","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"probably dumb question, but on aircraft (ie airplanes and helicopters) how do you make sure fuel actually reaches the engines regardless of maneuvering? Also, how do you make sure all that fuel can be spent, without anything remaining at the bottom or in pipes?","c_root_id_A":"fvb0yj3","c_root_id_B":"fvaun84","created_at_utc_A":1592540549,"created_at_utc_B":1592536410,"score_A":12,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Planes are rated for \"fuel capacity\" and \"usable fuel capacity\". Typically for small planes there will be 1 or 2 gallons left in the system after the usable fuel is used. Aerobatic planes rated for inverted flight will have a \"clunk\" weight fuel pickup. That's a flexible line ending in a weight inside the tank which will fall to the same place the fuel falls to during maneuvers. There will also be means to make sure the engine oil gets picked up for the engine during inverted flight.","human_ref_B":"Other answers may include making the tank conic, so all of the fuel tends to go to the bottom of the tank. Also, gravity. Planes usually aren\u2019t bouncing around like in the movies.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4139.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"hbst27","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"probably dumb question, but on aircraft (ie airplanes and helicopters) how do you make sure fuel actually reaches the engines regardless of maneuvering? Also, how do you make sure all that fuel can be spent, without anything remaining at the bottom or in pipes?","c_root_id_A":"fvaun84","c_root_id_B":"fvay3ed","created_at_utc_A":1592536410,"created_at_utc_B":1592538607,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Other answers may include making the tank conic, so all of the fuel tends to go to the bottom of the tank. Also, gravity. Planes usually aren\u2019t bouncing around like in the movies.","human_ref_B":"So planes almost always feel very close to 1g. When it's accelerating on the runway, fuel goes backwards sure but remains on an inlet. So it's really not much of an issue. There are multiple inlets. There are multiple tanks. There are baffles. Once it's inside the fuel lines there is a pressure gradient taking it through the filter and valves and on towards the engine. Also aircraft fuel tanks swap fuel between them e.g. to maintain balance. It's automatically managed unless there's a fault and needs override.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2197.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"9alrrt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"I have a tempting offer to work at a controls contractor (AE-Mech), but there is no licensed PE on staff for me to work under. Is there a way I can still take my PE (in 4 years) if there is nobody in my place of work to sponsor me?","c_root_id_A":"e4wez7o","c_root_id_B":"e4wedhz","created_at_utc_A":1535343433,"created_at_utc_B":1535342629,"score_A":21,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"It very much depends on the state. Some require it to be under a PE. Some evaluate the character of your experience alone (though usually indirectly judge your experience if it's not under a PE)","human_ref_B":"If you work under PEs from different companies they can sign for you. For California I would read the rules in your state. They shouldn't be too complicated.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":804.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"9alrrt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"I have a tempting offer to work at a controls contractor (AE-Mech), but there is no licensed PE on staff for me to work under. Is there a way I can still take my PE (in 4 years) if there is nobody in my place of work to sponsor me?","c_root_id_A":"e4wedhz","c_root_id_B":"e4wik88","created_at_utc_A":1535342629,"created_at_utc_B":1535348921,"score_A":9,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"If you work under PEs from different companies they can sign for you. For California I would read the rules in your state. They shouldn't be too complicated.","human_ref_B":"I would be wary of any controls consulting firm with no PEs on staff. That being said, check your regional rules unless you already have (hence why you're asking). Unfortunately if you need this experience there's no way around it hi.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6292.0,"score_ratio":1.2222222222} +{"post_id":"gpyoli","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Seeking a way to combine years of HVAC service experience with a degree in Mechanical Engineering. Hi guys. I need some advice. I started working as a residential HVAC service technician back in 2001. At the time, my salary wasn't great and higher education seemed to make financial sense. I decided to go to college part time and work toward an engineering degree. I've also been taking continuous education classes through my employer and earned various competency certifications, such as steam, hot water, refrigeration and gas fitter cards. These do not transfer out of state and are specific to the metro area where I am working. Due to these comp cards and years of experience, my salary grew. Now that I graduated with a bachelor's degree in ME, I get discouraged when I see starting salaries for engineers. In most cases it's a 20-30% pay cut. Is there a field I should look into, where I can put years of work experience to a good use? I love doing field work, but at this stage I've reached my peak with my current employer and I'm eager for the next challenge. I would really appreciate your input.","c_root_id_A":"frppt7c","c_root_id_B":"frpq50u","created_at_utc_A":1590361012,"created_at_utc_B":1590361202,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Look for maintenance or system engineering jobs and try to leverage that experience to start at a higher salary. Just be truthful when discussing pay. Most managers are really appreciative of work experience.","human_ref_B":"I wouldn't expect someone with 20 years experience as a tech who then got a bachelors degree to be applying for graduate level jobs.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":190.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"gpyoli","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Seeking a way to combine years of HVAC service experience with a degree in Mechanical Engineering. Hi guys. I need some advice. I started working as a residential HVAC service technician back in 2001. At the time, my salary wasn't great and higher education seemed to make financial sense. I decided to go to college part time and work toward an engineering degree. I've also been taking continuous education classes through my employer and earned various competency certifications, such as steam, hot water, refrigeration and gas fitter cards. These do not transfer out of state and are specific to the metro area where I am working. Due to these comp cards and years of experience, my salary grew. Now that I graduated with a bachelor's degree in ME, I get discouraged when I see starting salaries for engineers. In most cases it's a 20-30% pay cut. Is there a field I should look into, where I can put years of work experience to a good use? I love doing field work, but at this stage I've reached my peak with my current employer and I'm eager for the next challenge. I would really appreciate your input.","c_root_id_A":"frpsbhu","c_root_id_B":"frq4u4q","created_at_utc_A":1590362470,"created_at_utc_B":1590370105,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"If you want to keep your experience relevant, HVAC and refrigeration engineering positions are probably a good start. Unfortunately, you will probably still have to start out 'entry level', because engineering work is very different from technician work, even in the same field. But your experience, perspective, and (hopefully) ability to work hard should serve you well. As a married man with 3 kids, I can appreciate the pain that a 20-30% pay cut would likely bring. That being said, my recommendation (without knowing your situation) is that you see if you can absorb the pay cut in the short term. I'm guessing that the jobs you're looking at are entry-level, and somebody with your background experience should be able to burn through the 'entry level' and get into intermediate-level work within a couple of years. As a general rule, the typical engineer's salary increases quickly over the first 10 years or so (from entry-level, to intermediate, to senior\/lead). You kind of plateau after that, unless you're a specialist in a complex and in-demand field, or get on the management track. And as a side note, if you go down this path and your employer isn't promoting you or keeping up with your pay scale, don't be afraid to change companies for a better opportunity. Do a little research into jobs a level higher than what you're looking at now. See what they're paying, and think about how quickly you might be able to get there. Would that reflect a pay increase over your current salary? If you can bear the short-term pain, is the 5-year or 10-year view worth it? Good luck.","human_ref_B":"Maybe a mid- to senior-level \"facilities management\" position at a campus, hospital, pharma plant, etc? Some of the more intense ones would require engineering degrees and also practical experience. Otherwise design\/build project management as others have suggested. I wish that the consulting engineering firms would hire more people like you, but I think they're mostly in the game of hiring a bunch of new grads to churn out cookie-cutter drawings.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7635.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"gpyoli","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Seeking a way to combine years of HVAC service experience with a degree in Mechanical Engineering. Hi guys. I need some advice. I started working as a residential HVAC service technician back in 2001. At the time, my salary wasn't great and higher education seemed to make financial sense. I decided to go to college part time and work toward an engineering degree. I've also been taking continuous education classes through my employer and earned various competency certifications, such as steam, hot water, refrigeration and gas fitter cards. These do not transfer out of state and are specific to the metro area where I am working. Due to these comp cards and years of experience, my salary grew. Now that I graduated with a bachelor's degree in ME, I get discouraged when I see starting salaries for engineers. In most cases it's a 20-30% pay cut. Is there a field I should look into, where I can put years of work experience to a good use? I love doing field work, but at this stage I've reached my peak with my current employer and I'm eager for the next challenge. I would really appreciate your input.","c_root_id_A":"frpsbhu","c_root_id_B":"frppt7c","created_at_utc_A":1590362470,"created_at_utc_B":1590361012,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you want to keep your experience relevant, HVAC and refrigeration engineering positions are probably a good start. Unfortunately, you will probably still have to start out 'entry level', because engineering work is very different from technician work, even in the same field. But your experience, perspective, and (hopefully) ability to work hard should serve you well. As a married man with 3 kids, I can appreciate the pain that a 20-30% pay cut would likely bring. That being said, my recommendation (without knowing your situation) is that you see if you can absorb the pay cut in the short term. I'm guessing that the jobs you're looking at are entry-level, and somebody with your background experience should be able to burn through the 'entry level' and get into intermediate-level work within a couple of years. As a general rule, the typical engineer's salary increases quickly over the first 10 years or so (from entry-level, to intermediate, to senior\/lead). You kind of plateau after that, unless you're a specialist in a complex and in-demand field, or get on the management track. And as a side note, if you go down this path and your employer isn't promoting you or keeping up with your pay scale, don't be afraid to change companies for a better opportunity. Do a little research into jobs a level higher than what you're looking at now. See what they're paying, and think about how quickly you might be able to get there. Would that reflect a pay increase over your current salary? If you can bear the short-term pain, is the 5-year or 10-year view worth it? Good luck.","human_ref_B":"Look for maintenance or system engineering jobs and try to leverage that experience to start at a higher salary. Just be truthful when discussing pay. Most managers are really appreciative of work experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1458.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"gpyoli","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Seeking a way to combine years of HVAC service experience with a degree in Mechanical Engineering. Hi guys. I need some advice. I started working as a residential HVAC service technician back in 2001. At the time, my salary wasn't great and higher education seemed to make financial sense. I decided to go to college part time and work toward an engineering degree. I've also been taking continuous education classes through my employer and earned various competency certifications, such as steam, hot water, refrigeration and gas fitter cards. These do not transfer out of state and are specific to the metro area where I am working. Due to these comp cards and years of experience, my salary grew. Now that I graduated with a bachelor's degree in ME, I get discouraged when I see starting salaries for engineers. In most cases it's a 20-30% pay cut. Is there a field I should look into, where I can put years of work experience to a good use? I love doing field work, but at this stage I've reached my peak with my current employer and I'm eager for the next challenge. I would really appreciate your input.","c_root_id_A":"frq4u4q","c_root_id_B":"frppt7c","created_at_utc_A":1590370105,"created_at_utc_B":1590361012,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Maybe a mid- to senior-level \"facilities management\" position at a campus, hospital, pharma plant, etc? Some of the more intense ones would require engineering degrees and also practical experience. Otherwise design\/build project management as others have suggested. I wish that the consulting engineering firms would hire more people like you, but I think they're mostly in the game of hiring a bunch of new grads to churn out cookie-cutter drawings.","human_ref_B":"Look for maintenance or system engineering jobs and try to leverage that experience to start at a higher salary. Just be truthful when discussing pay. Most managers are really appreciative of work experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9093.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"c505pr","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Cameras have a shutter button that actuates after pressing it halfway down, then again at the bottom. How does this switch mechanism work? Does it have a name?","c_root_id_A":"erzcban","c_root_id_B":"erzczzm","created_at_utc_A":1561431545,"created_at_utc_B":1561432101,"score_A":6,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Are you sure it's activating the shutter both times? If i remember correctly, pushing the button down just a little bit on my nikon releases the pop up flash, and pushing it down fully is the shutter release.","human_ref_B":"You could achieve this by stacking two buttons on top of each other where one requires less depression force than the other. Not sure if that's exactly what's implemented in most cameras.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":556.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"c505pr","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Cameras have a shutter button that actuates after pressing it halfway down, then again at the bottom. How does this switch mechanism work? Does it have a name?","c_root_id_A":"erzjjhy","c_root_id_B":"erzcban","created_at_utc_A":1561438104,"created_at_utc_B":1561431545,"score_A":12,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"One cheapo remote release I had that died had two leaf springs that pressed against a third contact at different travel distances. For tactile buttons that click, like most consumer cameras, there is probably one normal leaf spring and one that makes contact when it buckles. For smooth-touch non-tactile ones found on pro cameras, they probably have two non-buckling leaf springs.","human_ref_B":"Are you sure it's activating the shutter both times? If i remember correctly, pushing the button down just a little bit on my nikon releases the pop up flash, and pushing it down fully is the shutter release.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6559.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"c505pr","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Cameras have a shutter button that actuates after pressing it halfway down, then again at the bottom. How does this switch mechanism work? Does it have a name?","c_root_id_A":"erzne97","c_root_id_B":"erzm4sb","created_at_utc_A":1561442364,"created_at_utc_B":1561440892,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Name has been sorted out, but I have see no clear explanation on how it works. There are several ways to do it but to give you a general concept : An electrical contact usually consists of a piece of metal making contact with another when you press the button, thus closing the circuit. See this : https:\/\/media.kingston.com\/hyperx\/content\/Cherry%20MX%20Blue%20Switch%20-%20Animated%20GIF_MXBlue%20(1).gif The springy blade part on the left is held away from the rest of the circuit by a piece of plastic and closes the circuit by making contact with the piece of metal on the right. Now the easy explanation for an off-mom-mom switch is that instead of having 1 blade and 1 contact you have two of each in succession, and the switch is making two different contacts (on two different circuits) as it is depressed. There are also some more clever ways to attain the same function with only one circuit and also different actuation mechanisms (one may be a spring like shown and the 2nd one can be a contact under the button), but the principle stays the same mechanically. On a camera's tight available space, things are just a bit smarter and more compact ;)","human_ref_B":"No idea but it could be that there are electrical contacts for the switch at two locations. The first completes a circuit and activates the first operation, then the button travels to the final lead and the final operation is initiated.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1472.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"59085r","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.68,"history":"I just applied for an internship at a large tech company and am wondering if I should \"call in a favor\" so to speak [xpost \/r\/Advice] So, I applied to one of the big three tech companies for a summer internship. My uncle lives in silicon valley and knows quite a few of the employees. Should I ask him to talk to one of the guys, or to maybe introduce me? I've never been a big fan of doing this kind of thing, but I know the career world is all about getting your foot in the door.","c_root_id_A":"d94perz","c_root_id_B":"d94laci","created_at_utc_A":1477256224,"created_at_utc_B":1477250906,"score_A":36,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"100% do it. Worst case scenario you are exactly where you are now, best case is you have a job","human_ref_B":"Well it depends. Do you talk to him regularly? Does he know that you are looking for intrenships? I personally wouldn't ask him so directly but rather ask him whether he knows someone who is looking for a student doing an internship or something like that. Were there any contact details in the job description? Maybe you can ask him whether he knows that person or something like that. I definitely know your struggles. I don't really prefer that direct way either and you never know how that specific person feels about it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5318.0,"score_ratio":1.8} +{"post_id":"4dlhcp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"I'm interviewing some 3rd year college students for a manufacturing internship tomorrow and I've never done this before. What are some good questions I should ask?","c_root_id_A":"d1s0xnc","c_root_id_B":"d1s2f3n","created_at_utc_A":1459946227,"created_at_utc_B":1459949025,"score_A":15,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"I'm not a mech-e but my usual hiring process is to 1) try to compliment their resume to try to put them at ease and make the interview better 2) Spend about 1\/3 of the time talking about items on their resume and asking them to explain them to me. 3) Spend about 1\/3 of the time asking them to solve a simple problem (not an interview gotcha problem - a real problem that they should already have the tools to tackle. For manufacturing I don't know where I would start, and 3rd year college students might not know much, but they'll know physics and math so that might be a nice place to start?) 4) Get them to ask questions about the job they are interviewing for. The questions that they ask should lead to a discussion that will hopefully tell you more about them. Ignore stupid hobbies and other fun facts unless they are pertinent to the job.","human_ref_B":"They say you can teach anyone how to do a job, but you can't teach personality. Asking them to solve problems in front of a row of interviewers can be super stressful, especially if this is their first ever interview. If it's not completely necessary, avoid it. Talk to them about what you guys do. Ask about their education and work history, ask what classes are their favorite, what they've most enjoyed learning, etc. It's debatably most important to see if they will be interested in the job. In all reality, anyone can do internships. I think people are much more capable than they get credit for. If they are doing good in school, they'll be able to do the job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2798.0,"score_ratio":2.8666666667} +{"post_id":"4dlhcp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"I'm interviewing some 3rd year college students for a manufacturing internship tomorrow and I've never done this before. What are some good questions I should ask?","c_root_id_A":"d1s2dgd","c_root_id_B":"d1s2f3n","created_at_utc_A":1459948952,"created_at_utc_B":1459949025,"score_A":2,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"Why they want to work for YOUR company. The answer will generally indicate whether or not they know anything about you or if they were just answering an ad. If they know about you then you know that either (a) they're honestly interested in your industry and a pay attention, or (b) at least they did their homework. Both of those are good things.","human_ref_B":"They say you can teach anyone how to do a job, but you can't teach personality. Asking them to solve problems in front of a row of interviewers can be super stressful, especially if this is their first ever interview. If it's not completely necessary, avoid it. Talk to them about what you guys do. Ask about their education and work history, ask what classes are their favorite, what they've most enjoyed learning, etc. It's debatably most important to see if they will be interested in the job. In all reality, anyone can do internships. I think people are much more capable than they get credit for. If they are doing good in school, they'll be able to do the job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":73.0,"score_ratio":21.5} +{"post_id":"4dlhcp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"I'm interviewing some 3rd year college students for a manufacturing internship tomorrow and I've never done this before. What are some good questions I should ask?","c_root_id_A":"d1s0xnc","c_root_id_B":"d1s8pf9","created_at_utc_A":1459946227,"created_at_utc_B":1459957918,"score_A":15,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"I'm not a mech-e but my usual hiring process is to 1) try to compliment their resume to try to put them at ease and make the interview better 2) Spend about 1\/3 of the time talking about items on their resume and asking them to explain them to me. 3) Spend about 1\/3 of the time asking them to solve a simple problem (not an interview gotcha problem - a real problem that they should already have the tools to tackle. For manufacturing I don't know where I would start, and 3rd year college students might not know much, but they'll know physics and math so that might be a nice place to start?) 4) Get them to ask questions about the job they are interviewing for. The questions that they ask should lead to a discussion that will hopefully tell you more about them. Ignore stupid hobbies and other fun facts unless they are pertinent to the job.","human_ref_B":"One of the best interview techniques I've seen is to bring something physical (and interesting) that is relevant to your job and place on the table. Don't mention it at all during the interview. The idea is to see if the interviewee will ask questions about it or even just touch it. If they do ask about it, it'll often lead into enlightening how the person thinks, what they know, and whether or not if they have some sort of \"spark\" that would be highly valuable to you and your company.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11691.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"4dlhcp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"I'm interviewing some 3rd year college students for a manufacturing internship tomorrow and I've never done this before. What are some good questions I should ask?","c_root_id_A":"d1s5b5u","c_root_id_B":"d1s8pf9","created_at_utc_A":1459953447,"created_at_utc_B":1459957918,"score_A":2,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"Ask how they would approach a problem they haven't seen before. Think up some relevant scenario, and see what their thought process is. For a new engineer, I would be looking to find out if they're afraid to admit they don't know something, or if they're ready and able to use the knowledge of those around them. An intern has a limited amount of time to complete a project, and a week wasted deriving equations from a book when you have an approved calculation that takes 5 minutes is a big deal. Not that I've witnessed that happen *every summer* in my office...","human_ref_B":"One of the best interview techniques I've seen is to bring something physical (and interesting) that is relevant to your job and place on the table. Don't mention it at all during the interview. The idea is to see if the interviewee will ask questions about it or even just touch it. If they do ask about it, it'll often lead into enlightening how the person thinks, what they know, and whether or not if they have some sort of \"spark\" that would be highly valuable to you and your company.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4471.0,"score_ratio":15.0} +{"post_id":"4dlhcp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"I'm interviewing some 3rd year college students for a manufacturing internship tomorrow and I've never done this before. What are some good questions I should ask?","c_root_id_A":"d1s2dgd","c_root_id_B":"d1s8pf9","created_at_utc_A":1459948952,"created_at_utc_B":1459957918,"score_A":2,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"Why they want to work for YOUR company. The answer will generally indicate whether or not they know anything about you or if they were just answering an ad. If they know about you then you know that either (a) they're honestly interested in your industry and a pay attention, or (b) at least they did their homework. Both of those are good things.","human_ref_B":"One of the best interview techniques I've seen is to bring something physical (and interesting) that is relevant to your job and place on the table. Don't mention it at all during the interview. The idea is to see if the interviewee will ask questions about it or even just touch it. If they do ask about it, it'll often lead into enlightening how the person thinks, what they know, and whether or not if they have some sort of \"spark\" that would be highly valuable to you and your company.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8966.0,"score_ratio":15.0} +{"post_id":"4dlhcp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"I'm interviewing some 3rd year college students for a manufacturing internship tomorrow and I've never done this before. What are some good questions I should ask?","c_root_id_A":"d1s5b5u","c_root_id_B":"d1szgxj","created_at_utc_A":1459953447,"created_at_utc_B":1459993369,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Ask how they would approach a problem they haven't seen before. Think up some relevant scenario, and see what their thought process is. For a new engineer, I would be looking to find out if they're afraid to admit they don't know something, or if they're ready and able to use the knowledge of those around them. An intern has a limited amount of time to complete a project, and a week wasted deriving equations from a book when you have an approved calculation that takes 5 minutes is a big deal. Not that I've witnessed that happen *every summer* in my office...","human_ref_B":"I give coop candidates our behavioural questions a couple of days in advance so they can come up with better examples. Conflict, teamwork, initiative. Then in the interview, those are the first three questions. We spend most of the time here (hard skills are easy to learn and teach. Not being a jerk? Not so much). Then we get into some experience factors, and I often find gold in the hobbies section of resumes. All of the students are at the same place in their schoolwork and I know what they're bringing to the table from that. I want to know about the other stuff, like do they fix their own car? Have they got a crazy CNC router or 3D printer in their garage that they built from incomplete info in forums and janky parts from aliexpress? Maybe they're into remote control cars or planes (good mechanical fabrication skills, etc) We use all of this to build a complete picture of the candidate and assign scores to various factors. I've been surprised a number of times when candidates don't present well in the interview, but when the numbers are run, they're clear winners. These aren't public-facing jobs, so we can deal with a certain amount of introversion, as long as they can get along with the team. This isn't always the person that sells themselves the best in the interview. It was hard at first, but I've learned to trust the process instead of my gut.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":39922.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"4dlhcp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"I'm interviewing some 3rd year college students for a manufacturing internship tomorrow and I've never done this before. What are some good questions I should ask?","c_root_id_A":"d1sdxtu","c_root_id_B":"d1szgxj","created_at_utc_A":1459964451,"created_at_utc_B":1459993369,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Ask them how many gallons of water he could fit in the room, just to see what his problem solving process is like.","human_ref_B":"I give coop candidates our behavioural questions a couple of days in advance so they can come up with better examples. Conflict, teamwork, initiative. Then in the interview, those are the first three questions. We spend most of the time here (hard skills are easy to learn and teach. Not being a jerk? Not so much). Then we get into some experience factors, and I often find gold in the hobbies section of resumes. All of the students are at the same place in their schoolwork and I know what they're bringing to the table from that. I want to know about the other stuff, like do they fix their own car? Have they got a crazy CNC router or 3D printer in their garage that they built from incomplete info in forums and janky parts from aliexpress? Maybe they're into remote control cars or planes (good mechanical fabrication skills, etc) We use all of this to build a complete picture of the candidate and assign scores to various factors. I've been surprised a number of times when candidates don't present well in the interview, but when the numbers are run, they're clear winners. These aren't public-facing jobs, so we can deal with a certain amount of introversion, as long as they can get along with the team. This isn't always the person that sells themselves the best in the interview. It was hard at first, but I've learned to trust the process instead of my gut.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":28918.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"4dlhcp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"I'm interviewing some 3rd year college students for a manufacturing internship tomorrow and I've never done this before. What are some good questions I should ask?","c_root_id_A":"d1szgxj","c_root_id_B":"d1snlkl","created_at_utc_A":1459993369,"created_at_utc_B":1459976411,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I give coop candidates our behavioural questions a couple of days in advance so they can come up with better examples. Conflict, teamwork, initiative. Then in the interview, those are the first three questions. We spend most of the time here (hard skills are easy to learn and teach. Not being a jerk? Not so much). Then we get into some experience factors, and I often find gold in the hobbies section of resumes. All of the students are at the same place in their schoolwork and I know what they're bringing to the table from that. I want to know about the other stuff, like do they fix their own car? Have they got a crazy CNC router or 3D printer in their garage that they built from incomplete info in forums and janky parts from aliexpress? Maybe they're into remote control cars or planes (good mechanical fabrication skills, etc) We use all of this to build a complete picture of the candidate and assign scores to various factors. I've been surprised a number of times when candidates don't present well in the interview, but when the numbers are run, they're clear winners. These aren't public-facing jobs, so we can deal with a certain amount of introversion, as long as they can get along with the team. This isn't always the person that sells themselves the best in the interview. It was hard at first, but I've learned to trust the process instead of my gut.","human_ref_B":"you're trying to figure out 3 things: 1) do they know anything 2) can they learn 3) can they get along with coworkers Ask them a fairly softball technical question. Ask them about a time they had to do something they didn't know how to do. Ask them if they're on any clubs\/sports teams.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16958.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"4dlhcp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"I'm interviewing some 3rd year college students for a manufacturing internship tomorrow and I've never done this before. What are some good questions I should ask?","c_root_id_A":"d1szgxj","c_root_id_B":"d1s2dgd","created_at_utc_A":1459993369,"created_at_utc_B":1459948952,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I give coop candidates our behavioural questions a couple of days in advance so they can come up with better examples. Conflict, teamwork, initiative. Then in the interview, those are the first three questions. We spend most of the time here (hard skills are easy to learn and teach. Not being a jerk? Not so much). Then we get into some experience factors, and I often find gold in the hobbies section of resumes. All of the students are at the same place in their schoolwork and I know what they're bringing to the table from that. I want to know about the other stuff, like do they fix their own car? Have they got a crazy CNC router or 3D printer in their garage that they built from incomplete info in forums and janky parts from aliexpress? Maybe they're into remote control cars or planes (good mechanical fabrication skills, etc) We use all of this to build a complete picture of the candidate and assign scores to various factors. I've been surprised a number of times when candidates don't present well in the interview, but when the numbers are run, they're clear winners. These aren't public-facing jobs, so we can deal with a certain amount of introversion, as long as they can get along with the team. This isn't always the person that sells themselves the best in the interview. It was hard at first, but I've learned to trust the process instead of my gut.","human_ref_B":"Why they want to work for YOUR company. The answer will generally indicate whether or not they know anything about you or if they were just answering an ad. If they know about you then you know that either (a) they're honestly interested in your industry and a pay attention, or (b) at least they did their homework. Both of those are good things.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":44417.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"4dlhcp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"I'm interviewing some 3rd year college students for a manufacturing internship tomorrow and I've never done this before. What are some good questions I should ask?","c_root_id_A":"d1szgxj","c_root_id_B":"d1slpfy","created_at_utc_A":1459993369,"created_at_utc_B":1459974048,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I give coop candidates our behavioural questions a couple of days in advance so they can come up with better examples. Conflict, teamwork, initiative. Then in the interview, those are the first three questions. We spend most of the time here (hard skills are easy to learn and teach. Not being a jerk? Not so much). Then we get into some experience factors, and I often find gold in the hobbies section of resumes. All of the students are at the same place in their schoolwork and I know what they're bringing to the table from that. I want to know about the other stuff, like do they fix their own car? Have they got a crazy CNC router or 3D printer in their garage that they built from incomplete info in forums and janky parts from aliexpress? Maybe they're into remote control cars or planes (good mechanical fabrication skills, etc) We use all of this to build a complete picture of the candidate and assign scores to various factors. I've been surprised a number of times when candidates don't present well in the interview, but when the numbers are run, they're clear winners. These aren't public-facing jobs, so we can deal with a certain amount of introversion, as long as they can get along with the team. This isn't always the person that sells themselves the best in the interview. It was hard at first, but I've learned to trust the process instead of my gut.","human_ref_B":"I like the ideas people are saying about asking them a problem to find out their problem solving strategy. I think a good question to ask is a problem that does not have a solution. Hopefully the person says one of two things: 1) \"I don't know.\" - Shows they are willing to admit they don't know. Even better if they ask for help. 2) \"There is no solution.' Means they are not afraid to tell you that something won't work.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19321.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"4dlhcp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"I'm interviewing some 3rd year college students for a manufacturing internship tomorrow and I've never done this before. What are some good questions I should ask?","c_root_id_A":"d1sdxtu","c_root_id_B":"d1s5b5u","created_at_utc_A":1459964451,"created_at_utc_B":1459953447,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Ask them how many gallons of water he could fit in the room, just to see what his problem solving process is like.","human_ref_B":"Ask how they would approach a problem they haven't seen before. Think up some relevant scenario, and see what their thought process is. For a new engineer, I would be looking to find out if they're afraid to admit they don't know something, or if they're ready and able to use the knowledge of those around them. An intern has a limited amount of time to complete a project, and a week wasted deriving equations from a book when you have an approved calculation that takes 5 minutes is a big deal. Not that I've witnessed that happen *every summer* in my office...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11004.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"4dlhcp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"I'm interviewing some 3rd year college students for a manufacturing internship tomorrow and I've never done this before. What are some good questions I should ask?","c_root_id_A":"d1snlkl","c_root_id_B":"d1s5b5u","created_at_utc_A":1459976411,"created_at_utc_B":1459953447,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"you're trying to figure out 3 things: 1) do they know anything 2) can they learn 3) can they get along with coworkers Ask them a fairly softball technical question. Ask them about a time they had to do something they didn't know how to do. Ask them if they're on any clubs\/sports teams.","human_ref_B":"Ask how they would approach a problem they haven't seen before. Think up some relevant scenario, and see what their thought process is. For a new engineer, I would be looking to find out if they're afraid to admit they don't know something, or if they're ready and able to use the knowledge of those around them. An intern has a limited amount of time to complete a project, and a week wasted deriving equations from a book when you have an approved calculation that takes 5 minutes is a big deal. Not that I've witnessed that happen *every summer* in my office...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22964.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"4dlhcp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"I'm interviewing some 3rd year college students for a manufacturing internship tomorrow and I've never done this before. What are some good questions I should ask?","c_root_id_A":"d1sdxtu","c_root_id_B":"d1s2dgd","created_at_utc_A":1459964451,"created_at_utc_B":1459948952,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Ask them how many gallons of water he could fit in the room, just to see what his problem solving process is like.","human_ref_B":"Why they want to work for YOUR company. The answer will generally indicate whether or not they know anything about you or if they were just answering an ad. If they know about you then you know that either (a) they're honestly interested in your industry and a pay attention, or (b) at least they did their homework. Both of those are good things.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15499.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"4dlhcp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"I'm interviewing some 3rd year college students for a manufacturing internship tomorrow and I've never done this before. What are some good questions I should ask?","c_root_id_A":"d1snlkl","c_root_id_B":"d1s2dgd","created_at_utc_A":1459976411,"created_at_utc_B":1459948952,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"you're trying to figure out 3 things: 1) do they know anything 2) can they learn 3) can they get along with coworkers Ask them a fairly softball technical question. Ask them about a time they had to do something they didn't know how to do. Ask them if they're on any clubs\/sports teams.","human_ref_B":"Why they want to work for YOUR company. The answer will generally indicate whether or not they know anything about you or if they were just answering an ad. If they know about you then you know that either (a) they're honestly interested in your industry and a pay attention, or (b) at least they did their homework. Both of those are good things.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27459.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"4dlhcp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"I'm interviewing some 3rd year college students for a manufacturing internship tomorrow and I've never done this before. What are some good questions I should ask?","c_root_id_A":"d1slpfy","c_root_id_B":"d1snlkl","created_at_utc_A":1459974048,"created_at_utc_B":1459976411,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I like the ideas people are saying about asking them a problem to find out their problem solving strategy. I think a good question to ask is a problem that does not have a solution. Hopefully the person says one of two things: 1) \"I don't know.\" - Shows they are willing to admit they don't know. Even better if they ask for help. 2) \"There is no solution.' Means they are not afraid to tell you that something won't work.","human_ref_B":"you're trying to figure out 3 things: 1) do they know anything 2) can they learn 3) can they get along with coworkers Ask them a fairly softball technical question. Ask them about a time they had to do something they didn't know how to do. Ask them if they're on any clubs\/sports teams.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2363.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"38zfdp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow engineers, how did you successfully engage with union workers who are reluctant to work with you? Hello \/r\/AskEngineers, fellow young engineer here in a heavily unionized manufacturing facility. I was recently handed a project that requires me to work very closely with the facility's union workers. However, I have been informed that a handful of them do not like to work with \"young'uns\" and have the mentality that we're trying to \"tell them how to do their jobs\" despite being told (not me) repeatedly that we're trying to work on improve\/reduce cycle time. How should I approach this? p\/s: I want to clarify that I respect the shit outta these guys - a lot of them have been with the company for as long as I have been alive, if not longer. They are the experts in the production line and I am more than happy to learn from these guys if they're willing to work with me. I really want to succeed since this is one of the first few projects I was assigned to.","c_root_id_A":"crzcg5f","c_root_id_B":"crzcctd","created_at_utc_A":1433764547,"created_at_utc_B":1433764238,"score_A":10,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"McDonalds. Seriously, greasing palms (pun intended) goes a long way in getting shop workers to help you out on projects, especially if you're not necessarily top on their list of priorities. Just go up to them and say \"Hey! I'm grabbing some breakfast sandwiches, what do you want?\" This was one of the best lessons I learned at my first job in the auto industry, union workers love egg mcmuffins.","human_ref_B":"Source: I did industrial automation in the automotive industry. I've had a lot of interaction with the IBEW. * Union workers respect work, but they don't usually respect management. If you come in with a good work ethic and an attitude of \"I just want to learn and help get the job done\", they'll warm up to you and want to teach you. * Be friendly, but not fake. Ask good questions about the process. Be interested in their answers and pay attention. * After a while, they'll complain about things that they would change. If you can improve their workflow, they'll be grateful, albeit begrudgingly so. * Let them do their work. Don't let them see you with so much as a screwdriver. If you have to connect a laptop to a PLC, that's fine, but let them open the panel for you.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":309.0,"score_ratio":1.1111111111} +{"post_id":"38zfdp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow engineers, how did you successfully engage with union workers who are reluctant to work with you? Hello \/r\/AskEngineers, fellow young engineer here in a heavily unionized manufacturing facility. I was recently handed a project that requires me to work very closely with the facility's union workers. However, I have been informed that a handful of them do not like to work with \"young'uns\" and have the mentality that we're trying to \"tell them how to do their jobs\" despite being told (not me) repeatedly that we're trying to work on improve\/reduce cycle time. How should I approach this? p\/s: I want to clarify that I respect the shit outta these guys - a lot of them have been with the company for as long as I have been alive, if not longer. They are the experts in the production line and I am more than happy to learn from these guys if they're willing to work with me. I really want to succeed since this is one of the first few projects I was assigned to.","c_root_id_A":"crzbu6e","c_root_id_B":"crzcctd","created_at_utc_A":1433762356,"created_at_utc_B":1433764238,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"By listening to the rules... by learning from them... by supporting the fact that they have a union... and by working your ass off in front of them. Also, get to be good at ball busting, but gauge how far you can ball bust before you partake... this typically means a few months of being a whipping boy.","human_ref_B":"Source: I did industrial automation in the automotive industry. I've had a lot of interaction with the IBEW. * Union workers respect work, but they don't usually respect management. If you come in with a good work ethic and an attitude of \"I just want to learn and help get the job done\", they'll warm up to you and want to teach you. * Be friendly, but not fake. Ask good questions about the process. Be interested in their answers and pay attention. * After a while, they'll complain about things that they would change. If you can improve their workflow, they'll be grateful, albeit begrudgingly so. * Let them do their work. Don't let them see you with so much as a screwdriver. If you have to connect a laptop to a PLC, that's fine, but let them open the panel for you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1882.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"38zfdp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow engineers, how did you successfully engage with union workers who are reluctant to work with you? Hello \/r\/AskEngineers, fellow young engineer here in a heavily unionized manufacturing facility. I was recently handed a project that requires me to work very closely with the facility's union workers. However, I have been informed that a handful of them do not like to work with \"young'uns\" and have the mentality that we're trying to \"tell them how to do their jobs\" despite being told (not me) repeatedly that we're trying to work on improve\/reduce cycle time. How should I approach this? p\/s: I want to clarify that I respect the shit outta these guys - a lot of them have been with the company for as long as I have been alive, if not longer. They are the experts in the production line and I am more than happy to learn from these guys if they're willing to work with me. I really want to succeed since this is one of the first few projects I was assigned to.","c_root_id_A":"crzcctd","c_root_id_B":"crzaxjz","created_at_utc_A":1433764238,"created_at_utc_B":1433758570,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Source: I did industrial automation in the automotive industry. I've had a lot of interaction with the IBEW. * Union workers respect work, but they don't usually respect management. If you come in with a good work ethic and an attitude of \"I just want to learn and help get the job done\", they'll warm up to you and want to teach you. * Be friendly, but not fake. Ask good questions about the process. Be interested in their answers and pay attention. * After a while, they'll complain about things that they would change. If you can improve their workflow, they'll be grateful, albeit begrudgingly so. * Let them do their work. Don't let them see you with so much as a screwdriver. If you have to connect a laptop to a PLC, that's fine, but let them open the panel for you.","human_ref_B":"I worked in a mill with United steel workers, and the paper makers Union for a year as a co-op. Like the other guy said, asking them if there is anything that could make their life easier is a good one, but remember to follow through. If you run into a valid reason why you can't make that change (example I couldn't reroute a control box to where it was most frequently used because it's current location had a sight line of all the worst pinch points during a shut down) make sure you go tell the guy that asked about it! The other thing I found that helped was assisting them with safety issues. Helping them write near miss reports, running through planned projects with them before hand for safety factors and all that stuff. Sometimes something as simple as asking a truck driver to load the pallets spun a quarter turn earns you a friend in the union.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5668.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"38zfdp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow engineers, how did you successfully engage with union workers who are reluctant to work with you? Hello \/r\/AskEngineers, fellow young engineer here in a heavily unionized manufacturing facility. I was recently handed a project that requires me to work very closely with the facility's union workers. However, I have been informed that a handful of them do not like to work with \"young'uns\" and have the mentality that we're trying to \"tell them how to do their jobs\" despite being told (not me) repeatedly that we're trying to work on improve\/reduce cycle time. How should I approach this? p\/s: I want to clarify that I respect the shit outta these guys - a lot of them have been with the company for as long as I have been alive, if not longer. They are the experts in the production line and I am more than happy to learn from these guys if they're willing to work with me. I really want to succeed since this is one of the first few projects I was assigned to.","c_root_id_A":"crzbqxb","c_root_id_B":"crzcctd","created_at_utc_A":1433762004,"created_at_utc_B":1433764238,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Having worked in 2 union shops, all I can suggest is that you should leave as soon as possible and find a place to work that hasn't been overrun by a union. In the post OSHA era unions serve only two purposes - to stifle efficiency and to destroy the company. As an engineer you will likely not be able to fit in with such a culture, even if a few of the older guys are really nice. Honestly, leave that place and find a proper job you can be proud of.","human_ref_B":"Source: I did industrial automation in the automotive industry. I've had a lot of interaction with the IBEW. * Union workers respect work, but they don't usually respect management. If you come in with a good work ethic and an attitude of \"I just want to learn and help get the job done\", they'll warm up to you and want to teach you. * Be friendly, but not fake. Ask good questions about the process. Be interested in their answers and pay attention. * After a while, they'll complain about things that they would change. If you can improve their workflow, they'll be grateful, albeit begrudgingly so. * Let them do their work. Don't let them see you with so much as a screwdriver. If you have to connect a laptop to a PLC, that's fine, but let them open the panel for you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2234.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"38zfdp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow engineers, how did you successfully engage with union workers who are reluctant to work with you? Hello \/r\/AskEngineers, fellow young engineer here in a heavily unionized manufacturing facility. I was recently handed a project that requires me to work very closely with the facility's union workers. However, I have been informed that a handful of them do not like to work with \"young'uns\" and have the mentality that we're trying to \"tell them how to do their jobs\" despite being told (not me) repeatedly that we're trying to work on improve\/reduce cycle time. How should I approach this? p\/s: I want to clarify that I respect the shit outta these guys - a lot of them have been with the company for as long as I have been alive, if not longer. They are the experts in the production line and I am more than happy to learn from these guys if they're willing to work with me. I really want to succeed since this is one of the first few projects I was assigned to.","c_root_id_A":"crzbu6e","c_root_id_B":"crzcg5f","created_at_utc_A":1433762356,"created_at_utc_B":1433764547,"score_A":7,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"By listening to the rules... by learning from them... by supporting the fact that they have a union... and by working your ass off in front of them. Also, get to be good at ball busting, but gauge how far you can ball bust before you partake... this typically means a few months of being a whipping boy.","human_ref_B":"McDonalds. Seriously, greasing palms (pun intended) goes a long way in getting shop workers to help you out on projects, especially if you're not necessarily top on their list of priorities. Just go up to them and say \"Hey! I'm grabbing some breakfast sandwiches, what do you want?\" This was one of the best lessons I learned at my first job in the auto industry, union workers love egg mcmuffins.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2191.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286} +{"post_id":"38zfdp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow engineers, how did you successfully engage with union workers who are reluctant to work with you? Hello \/r\/AskEngineers, fellow young engineer here in a heavily unionized manufacturing facility. I was recently handed a project that requires me to work very closely with the facility's union workers. However, I have been informed that a handful of them do not like to work with \"young'uns\" and have the mentality that we're trying to \"tell them how to do their jobs\" despite being told (not me) repeatedly that we're trying to work on improve\/reduce cycle time. How should I approach this? p\/s: I want to clarify that I respect the shit outta these guys - a lot of them have been with the company for as long as I have been alive, if not longer. They are the experts in the production line and I am more than happy to learn from these guys if they're willing to work with me. I really want to succeed since this is one of the first few projects I was assigned to.","c_root_id_A":"crzaxjz","c_root_id_B":"crzcg5f","created_at_utc_A":1433758570,"created_at_utc_B":1433764547,"score_A":3,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I worked in a mill with United steel workers, and the paper makers Union for a year as a co-op. Like the other guy said, asking them if there is anything that could make their life easier is a good one, but remember to follow through. If you run into a valid reason why you can't make that change (example I couldn't reroute a control box to where it was most frequently used because it's current location had a sight line of all the worst pinch points during a shut down) make sure you go tell the guy that asked about it! The other thing I found that helped was assisting them with safety issues. Helping them write near miss reports, running through planned projects with them before hand for safety factors and all that stuff. Sometimes something as simple as asking a truck driver to load the pallets spun a quarter turn earns you a friend in the union.","human_ref_B":"McDonalds. Seriously, greasing palms (pun intended) goes a long way in getting shop workers to help you out on projects, especially if you're not necessarily top on their list of priorities. Just go up to them and say \"Hey! I'm grabbing some breakfast sandwiches, what do you want?\" This was one of the best lessons I learned at my first job in the auto industry, union workers love egg mcmuffins.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5977.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} +{"post_id":"38zfdp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow engineers, how did you successfully engage with union workers who are reluctant to work with you? Hello \/r\/AskEngineers, fellow young engineer here in a heavily unionized manufacturing facility. I was recently handed a project that requires me to work very closely with the facility's union workers. However, I have been informed that a handful of them do not like to work with \"young'uns\" and have the mentality that we're trying to \"tell them how to do their jobs\" despite being told (not me) repeatedly that we're trying to work on improve\/reduce cycle time. How should I approach this? p\/s: I want to clarify that I respect the shit outta these guys - a lot of them have been with the company for as long as I have been alive, if not longer. They are the experts in the production line and I am more than happy to learn from these guys if they're willing to work with me. I really want to succeed since this is one of the first few projects I was assigned to.","c_root_id_A":"crzbqxb","c_root_id_B":"crzcg5f","created_at_utc_A":1433762004,"created_at_utc_B":1433764547,"score_A":3,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Having worked in 2 union shops, all I can suggest is that you should leave as soon as possible and find a place to work that hasn't been overrun by a union. In the post OSHA era unions serve only two purposes - to stifle efficiency and to destroy the company. As an engineer you will likely not be able to fit in with such a culture, even if a few of the older guys are really nice. Honestly, leave that place and find a proper job you can be proud of.","human_ref_B":"McDonalds. Seriously, greasing palms (pun intended) goes a long way in getting shop workers to help you out on projects, especially if you're not necessarily top on their list of priorities. Just go up to them and say \"Hey! I'm grabbing some breakfast sandwiches, what do you want?\" This was one of the best lessons I learned at my first job in the auto industry, union workers love egg mcmuffins.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2543.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} +{"post_id":"38zfdp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow engineers, how did you successfully engage with union workers who are reluctant to work with you? Hello \/r\/AskEngineers, fellow young engineer here in a heavily unionized manufacturing facility. I was recently handed a project that requires me to work very closely with the facility's union workers. However, I have been informed that a handful of them do not like to work with \"young'uns\" and have the mentality that we're trying to \"tell them how to do their jobs\" despite being told (not me) repeatedly that we're trying to work on improve\/reduce cycle time. How should I approach this? p\/s: I want to clarify that I respect the shit outta these guys - a lot of them have been with the company for as long as I have been alive, if not longer. They are the experts in the production line and I am more than happy to learn from these guys if they're willing to work with me. I really want to succeed since this is one of the first few projects I was assigned to.","c_root_id_A":"crzaxjz","c_root_id_B":"crzdykn","created_at_utc_A":1433758570,"created_at_utc_B":1433768913,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I worked in a mill with United steel workers, and the paper makers Union for a year as a co-op. Like the other guy said, asking them if there is anything that could make their life easier is a good one, but remember to follow through. If you run into a valid reason why you can't make that change (example I couldn't reroute a control box to where it was most frequently used because it's current location had a sight line of all the worst pinch points during a shut down) make sure you go tell the guy that asked about it! The other thing I found that helped was assisting them with safety issues. Helping them write near miss reports, running through planned projects with them before hand for safety factors and all that stuff. Sometimes something as simple as asking a truck driver to load the pallets spun a quarter turn earns you a friend in the union.","human_ref_B":"Don't let anyone see the stop watch. Keep it in your pocket.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10343.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"38zfdp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow engineers, how did you successfully engage with union workers who are reluctant to work with you? Hello \/r\/AskEngineers, fellow young engineer here in a heavily unionized manufacturing facility. I was recently handed a project that requires me to work very closely with the facility's union workers. However, I have been informed that a handful of them do not like to work with \"young'uns\" and have the mentality that we're trying to \"tell them how to do their jobs\" despite being told (not me) repeatedly that we're trying to work on improve\/reduce cycle time. How should I approach this? p\/s: I want to clarify that I respect the shit outta these guys - a lot of them have been with the company for as long as I have been alive, if not longer. They are the experts in the production line and I am more than happy to learn from these guys if they're willing to work with me. I really want to succeed since this is one of the first few projects I was assigned to.","c_root_id_A":"crzbqxb","c_root_id_B":"crzdykn","created_at_utc_A":1433762004,"created_at_utc_B":1433768913,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Having worked in 2 union shops, all I can suggest is that you should leave as soon as possible and find a place to work that hasn't been overrun by a union. In the post OSHA era unions serve only two purposes - to stifle efficiency and to destroy the company. As an engineer you will likely not be able to fit in with such a culture, even if a few of the older guys are really nice. Honestly, leave that place and find a proper job you can be proud of.","human_ref_B":"Don't let anyone see the stop watch. Keep it in your pocket.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6909.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"38zfdp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow engineers, how did you successfully engage with union workers who are reluctant to work with you? Hello \/r\/AskEngineers, fellow young engineer here in a heavily unionized manufacturing facility. I was recently handed a project that requires me to work very closely with the facility's union workers. However, I have been informed that a handful of them do not like to work with \"young'uns\" and have the mentality that we're trying to \"tell them how to do their jobs\" despite being told (not me) repeatedly that we're trying to work on improve\/reduce cycle time. How should I approach this? p\/s: I want to clarify that I respect the shit outta these guys - a lot of them have been with the company for as long as I have been alive, if not longer. They are the experts in the production line and I am more than happy to learn from these guys if they're willing to work with me. I really want to succeed since this is one of the first few projects I was assigned to.","c_root_id_A":"crzdykn","c_root_id_B":"crzdqg2","created_at_utc_A":1433768913,"created_at_utc_B":1433768337,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Don't let anyone see the stop watch. Keep it in your pocket.","human_ref_B":"I work in a union shop. Always remember that they will take ownership of their work, so treat it (and them) with respect. It's not simply a run of pipe, it's something they crafted and put their heart into. For example, let's say I need them to change a pipe route because the architect altered the ceiling height. Don't say something like, \"I need this pipe torn out and the pipe run now needs to be there.\" Instead try, \"This installation looks perfect. Do you think you can do the exact same thing, but over here? The friggin' architect changed things on us.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":576.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"38zfdp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow engineers, how did you successfully engage with union workers who are reluctant to work with you? Hello \/r\/AskEngineers, fellow young engineer here in a heavily unionized manufacturing facility. I was recently handed a project that requires me to work very closely with the facility's union workers. However, I have been informed that a handful of them do not like to work with \"young'uns\" and have the mentality that we're trying to \"tell them how to do their jobs\" despite being told (not me) repeatedly that we're trying to work on improve\/reduce cycle time. How should I approach this? p\/s: I want to clarify that I respect the shit outta these guys - a lot of them have been with the company for as long as I have been alive, if not longer. They are the experts in the production line and I am more than happy to learn from these guys if they're willing to work with me. I really want to succeed since this is one of the first few projects I was assigned to.","c_root_id_A":"crzbu6e","c_root_id_B":"crzaxjz","created_at_utc_A":1433762356,"created_at_utc_B":1433758570,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"By listening to the rules... by learning from them... by supporting the fact that they have a union... and by working your ass off in front of them. Also, get to be good at ball busting, but gauge how far you can ball bust before you partake... this typically means a few months of being a whipping boy.","human_ref_B":"I worked in a mill with United steel workers, and the paper makers Union for a year as a co-op. Like the other guy said, asking them if there is anything that could make their life easier is a good one, but remember to follow through. If you run into a valid reason why you can't make that change (example I couldn't reroute a control box to where it was most frequently used because it's current location had a sight line of all the worst pinch points during a shut down) make sure you go tell the guy that asked about it! The other thing I found that helped was assisting them with safety issues. Helping them write near miss reports, running through planned projects with them before hand for safety factors and all that stuff. Sometimes something as simple as asking a truck driver to load the pallets spun a quarter turn earns you a friend in the union.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3786.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"38zfdp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow engineers, how did you successfully engage with union workers who are reluctant to work with you? Hello \/r\/AskEngineers, fellow young engineer here in a heavily unionized manufacturing facility. I was recently handed a project that requires me to work very closely with the facility's union workers. However, I have been informed that a handful of them do not like to work with \"young'uns\" and have the mentality that we're trying to \"tell them how to do their jobs\" despite being told (not me) repeatedly that we're trying to work on improve\/reduce cycle time. How should I approach this? p\/s: I want to clarify that I respect the shit outta these guys - a lot of them have been with the company for as long as I have been alive, if not longer. They are the experts in the production line and I am more than happy to learn from these guys if they're willing to work with me. I really want to succeed since this is one of the first few projects I was assigned to.","c_root_id_A":"crzbqxb","c_root_id_B":"crzbu6e","created_at_utc_A":1433762004,"created_at_utc_B":1433762356,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Having worked in 2 union shops, all I can suggest is that you should leave as soon as possible and find a place to work that hasn't been overrun by a union. In the post OSHA era unions serve only two purposes - to stifle efficiency and to destroy the company. As an engineer you will likely not be able to fit in with such a culture, even if a few of the older guys are really nice. Honestly, leave that place and find a proper job you can be proud of.","human_ref_B":"By listening to the rules... by learning from them... by supporting the fact that they have a union... and by working your ass off in front of them. Also, get to be good at ball busting, but gauge how far you can ball bust before you partake... this typically means a few months of being a whipping boy.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":352.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"kqov0u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Is a fully electric cargo or cruise ship possible with current technology? Using only lithium ion batteries for ships similar to OOCL Hong Kong or Symphony of the Seas. Would the amount of batteries needed be so heavy the ship would sink or have next to no range?","c_root_id_A":"gi5u3tc","c_root_id_B":"gi58efq","created_at_utc_A":1609834705,"created_at_utc_B":1609818821,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"With nuclear power, sure.","human_ref_B":"As other commenters have said, ships burn absolutely SO much fuel, though many do have electric drive systems along with house sized power plants. An alternative, though, might be one of the designs for advanced wind powered\/assisted ships, either using roller sails or America's Cup style wing sails, that relied on batteries for power. Still, I think you'd have trouble getting insurance for a commercial ocean crossing with no engine on board, so you would have to work your way up to that point.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15884.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vqrsa","c_root_id_B":"c2vs1if","created_at_utc_A":1320025795,"created_at_utc_B":1320035273,"score_A":12,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I could tell you, but then I'd have to shoot you. Well, not really true, I couldn't tell you to start with.","human_ref_B":"Finite Element Analysis on the suspended looping coasters by Vekoma International. I concentrated mainly on the wheel assemblies. Good times! http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Suspended_Looping_Coaster","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9478.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vs1if","c_root_id_B":"c2vr197","created_at_utc_A":1320035273,"created_at_utc_B":1320027730,"score_A":15,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Finite Element Analysis on the suspended looping coasters by Vekoma International. I concentrated mainly on the wheel assemblies. Good times! http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Suspended_Looping_Coaster","human_ref_B":"Waste Water Plant in the mdidle east. WWTPs are really cool. No joke. I know it sounds shitty (heyooooo!!) but they are fascinating projects. You finish construction, commissioning, all the tweaking and fixing and finally you have the thing running. For the first time you put three beakers next to each other, one with your input and the other two with your TSE and your sludge, and you look at your test results and they tell you the water is good enough to drink (mineral water such as evian et al. fails the tests that TSE goes through). At that moment, you realize the team have just accomplished something truly extraordinary and probably improved the lives of a hell of a lot of people. They won't allow it to be used as drinking water, but it will go to irrigate tracts of land for crops... in the desert. It's like making gold out of lead or something. You feel like an alchemist or magician! It makes living with the smell every day totally worth it. I'd definitely do it again even though these plants are always out in the middle of nowhere for obvious reasons.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7543.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vs1if","c_root_id_B":"c2vptr7","created_at_utc_A":1320035273,"created_at_utc_B":1320018519,"score_A":15,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Finite Element Analysis on the suspended looping coasters by Vekoma International. I concentrated mainly on the wheel assemblies. Good times! http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Suspended_Looping_Coaster","human_ref_B":"Did a couple years as a field engineer in power plant construction. Here's a picture I snagged from my collection. Pic More available upon request.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16754.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vq10w","c_root_id_B":"c2vs1if","created_at_utc_A":1320020090,"created_at_utc_B":1320035273,"score_A":3,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"It's a side-project in our free-time, but me and my friends are currently fabricating a game set of \"BattleShots\". Which is like BattleShip except bigger and the pegs in each boat are a shot glass. We modeled the boats in Solidworks and are making them out of either wood or treated foam.","human_ref_B":"Finite Element Analysis on the suspended looping coasters by Vekoma International. I concentrated mainly on the wheel assemblies. Good times! http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Suspended_Looping_Coaster","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15183.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vqc4w","c_root_id_B":"c2vs1if","created_at_utc_A":1320022501,"created_at_utc_B":1320035273,"score_A":2,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Got to do some work in some cool equipment while I was at toyota. Giant room that was basically an oven with a whole bunch of heat lamps to simulate summer testing, worlds quietest wind tunnel, anechoic chamber. Formula SAE cars were my fav\/coolest projects though.","human_ref_B":"Finite Element Analysis on the suspended looping coasters by Vekoma International. I concentrated mainly on the wheel assemblies. Good times! http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Suspended_Looping_Coaster","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12772.0,"score_ratio":7.5} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vs1if","c_root_id_B":"c2vrx5p","created_at_utc_A":1320035273,"created_at_utc_B":1320034294,"score_A":15,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Finite Element Analysis on the suspended looping coasters by Vekoma International. I concentrated mainly on the wheel assemblies. Good times! http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Suspended_Looping_Coaster","human_ref_B":"A new nuclear power plant, The Holy Mosque in Mecca, the Indiana State Fair stage collapse, various buildings in Joplin post-tornado, and the Chicago Spire are the most public projects I've worked on in my young career.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":979.0,"score_ratio":7.5} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vptr7","c_root_id_B":"c2vqrsa","created_at_utc_A":1320018519,"created_at_utc_B":1320025795,"score_A":6,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Did a couple years as a field engineer in power plant construction. Here's a picture I snagged from my collection. Pic More available upon request.","human_ref_B":"I could tell you, but then I'd have to shoot you. Well, not really true, I couldn't tell you to start with.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7276.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vq10w","c_root_id_B":"c2vqrsa","created_at_utc_A":1320020090,"created_at_utc_B":1320025795,"score_A":3,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"It's a side-project in our free-time, but me and my friends are currently fabricating a game set of \"BattleShots\". Which is like BattleShip except bigger and the pegs in each boat are a shot glass. We modeled the boats in Solidworks and are making them out of either wood or treated foam.","human_ref_B":"I could tell you, but then I'd have to shoot you. Well, not really true, I couldn't tell you to start with.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5705.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vqc4w","c_root_id_B":"c2vqrsa","created_at_utc_A":1320022501,"created_at_utc_B":1320025795,"score_A":2,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Got to do some work in some cool equipment while I was at toyota. Giant room that was basically an oven with a whole bunch of heat lamps to simulate summer testing, worlds quietest wind tunnel, anechoic chamber. Formula SAE cars were my fav\/coolest projects though.","human_ref_B":"I could tell you, but then I'd have to shoot you. Well, not really true, I couldn't tell you to start with.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3294.0,"score_ratio":6.0} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vr197","c_root_id_B":"c2vptr7","created_at_utc_A":1320027730,"created_at_utc_B":1320018519,"score_A":9,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Waste Water Plant in the mdidle east. WWTPs are really cool. No joke. I know it sounds shitty (heyooooo!!) but they are fascinating projects. You finish construction, commissioning, all the tweaking and fixing and finally you have the thing running. For the first time you put three beakers next to each other, one with your input and the other two with your TSE and your sludge, and you look at your test results and they tell you the water is good enough to drink (mineral water such as evian et al. fails the tests that TSE goes through). At that moment, you realize the team have just accomplished something truly extraordinary and probably improved the lives of a hell of a lot of people. They won't allow it to be used as drinking water, but it will go to irrigate tracts of land for crops... in the desert. It's like making gold out of lead or something. You feel like an alchemist or magician! It makes living with the smell every day totally worth it. I'd definitely do it again even though these plants are always out in the middle of nowhere for obvious reasons.","human_ref_B":"Did a couple years as a field engineer in power plant construction. Here's a picture I snagged from my collection. Pic More available upon request.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9211.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vr197","c_root_id_B":"c2vq10w","created_at_utc_A":1320027730,"created_at_utc_B":1320020090,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Waste Water Plant in the mdidle east. WWTPs are really cool. No joke. I know it sounds shitty (heyooooo!!) but they are fascinating projects. You finish construction, commissioning, all the tweaking and fixing and finally you have the thing running. For the first time you put three beakers next to each other, one with your input and the other two with your TSE and your sludge, and you look at your test results and they tell you the water is good enough to drink (mineral water such as evian et al. fails the tests that TSE goes through). At that moment, you realize the team have just accomplished something truly extraordinary and probably improved the lives of a hell of a lot of people. They won't allow it to be used as drinking water, but it will go to irrigate tracts of land for crops... in the desert. It's like making gold out of lead or something. You feel like an alchemist or magician! It makes living with the smell every day totally worth it. I'd definitely do it again even though these plants are always out in the middle of nowhere for obvious reasons.","human_ref_B":"It's a side-project in our free-time, but me and my friends are currently fabricating a game set of \"BattleShots\". 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For the first time you put three beakers next to each other, one with your input and the other two with your TSE and your sludge, and you look at your test results and they tell you the water is good enough to drink (mineral water such as evian et al. fails the tests that TSE goes through). At that moment, you realize the team have just accomplished something truly extraordinary and probably improved the lives of a hell of a lot of people. They won't allow it to be used as drinking water, but it will go to irrigate tracts of land for crops... in the desert. It's like making gold out of lead or something. You feel like an alchemist or magician! It makes living with the smell every day totally worth it. I'd definitely do it again even though these plants are always out in the middle of nowhere for obvious reasons.","human_ref_B":"Got to do some work in some cool equipment while I was at toyota. Giant room that was basically an oven with a whole bunch of heat lamps to simulate summer testing, worlds quietest wind tunnel, anechoic chamber. Formula SAE cars were my fav\/coolest projects though.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5229.0,"score_ratio":4.5} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vq10w","c_root_id_B":"c2vs69h","created_at_utc_A":1320020090,"created_at_utc_B":1320036372,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"It's a side-project in our free-time, but me and my friends are currently fabricating a game set of \"BattleShots\". Which is like BattleShip except bigger and the pegs in each boat are a shot glass. 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Giant room that was basically an oven with a whole bunch of heat lamps to simulate summer testing, worlds quietest wind tunnel, anechoic chamber. Formula SAE cars were my fav\/coolest projects though.","human_ref_B":"Designing a Mars sample return mission using a nuclear thermal rocket (one of these, not to be confused with this concept). This approach solves a lot of the problems of travel to other parts of the solar system. In my biased opinion, it's the only current technology that will allow us to perform any large scale exploration beyond the moon.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13871.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vrx5p","c_root_id_B":"c2vs69h","created_at_utc_A":1320034294,"created_at_utc_B":1320036372,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"A new nuclear power plant, The Holy Mosque in Mecca, the Indiana State Fair stage collapse, various buildings in Joplin post-tornado, and the Chicago Spire are the most public projects I've worked on in my young career.","human_ref_B":"Designing a Mars sample return mission using a nuclear thermal rocket (one of these, not to be confused with this concept). This approach solves a lot of the problems of travel to other parts of the solar system. In my biased opinion, it's the only current technology that will allow us to perform any large scale exploration beyond the moon.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2078.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vqc4w","c_root_id_B":"c2vvj8i","created_at_utc_A":1320022501,"created_at_utc_B":1320078140,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Got to do some work in some cool equipment while I was at toyota. Giant room that was basically an oven with a whole bunch of heat lamps to simulate summer testing, worlds quietest wind tunnel, anechoic chamber. Formula SAE cars were my fav\/coolest projects though.","human_ref_B":"It's funny, I think I'm the only one that gets a thrill from what I've done... I always just get blank stares. I helped design a door that was 50ft tall and 150ft WIDE, folding in the middle. I worked for a company that made linear actuators for govt work, weapons systems, jet blast deflectors, etc. I designed water jet cutting equipment (particularly pumps) up to 100ksi. And currently I design wind turbine couplers, transmitting torque from the gearbox to the generator. Edit: WIDE not TALL","labels":0,"seconds_difference":55639.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vrx5p","c_root_id_B":"c2vvj8i","created_at_utc_A":1320034294,"created_at_utc_B":1320078140,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"A new nuclear power plant, The Holy Mosque in Mecca, the Indiana State Fair stage collapse, various buildings in Joplin post-tornado, and the Chicago Spire are the most public projects I've worked on in my young career.","human_ref_B":"It's funny, I think I'm the only one that gets a thrill from what I've done... I always just get blank stares. I helped design a door that was 50ft tall and 150ft WIDE, folding in the middle. I worked for a company that made linear actuators for govt work, weapons systems, jet blast deflectors, etc. I designed water jet cutting equipment (particularly pumps) up to 100ksi. And currently I design wind turbine couplers, transmitting torque from the gearbox to the generator. 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Edit: WIDE not TALL","human_ref_B":"Writing Linux kernel code for shipping Android phones.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":39591.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"luftl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"As engineers, what are some of the coolest projects youve ever worked on? Just looking for some insight on the engineering profession.","c_root_id_A":"c2vvj8i","c_root_id_B":"c2vu8fo","created_at_utc_A":1320078140,"created_at_utc_B":1320066759,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It's funny, I think I'm the only one that gets a thrill from what I've done... I always just get blank stares. I helped design a door that was 50ft tall and 150ft WIDE, folding in the middle. I worked for a company that made linear actuators for govt work, weapons systems, jet blast deflectors, etc. I designed water jet cutting equipment (particularly pumps) up to 100ksi. And currently I design wind turbine couplers, transmitting torque from the gearbox to the generator. Edit: WIDE not TALL","human_ref_B":"16 core ~300W microprocessor the chips i'm working on now are a lot smaller, but have some very fast ios (~14Gbps+), which is kind of neat to talk about but not actually all that neat to work on","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11381.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"ogj2t9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Have to give a technical presentation for an interview, but not sure if I can assume things? So I was asked to solve 3 problems for an upcoming technical presentation. I have to make a powerpoint on how I would correct the issues, but the problem statements don't give everything away. I'm thinking maybe I can assume certain things and use that to my advantage? Or is that \"frowned upon?\" Should I come up with different possible reasons for the problem, and present how I would solve each of them? Or just pick one way and run with it?","c_root_id_A":"h4jbh2v","c_root_id_B":"h4j7vcg","created_at_utc_A":1625790102,"created_at_utc_B":1625788160,"score_A":15,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Make the assumptions that are most reasonable and explain them up front. If you have alternate solutions, put them in a section titled \"backup slides\" at the end for you to refer to if you are asked about them.","human_ref_B":"You will never know the full information on anything in life because that\u2019s not how the real world works, everything in engineering is an assumption, just make sure that the assumptions you make make sense and you have a justifiable reason for them and you should be fine","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1942.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"ogj2t9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Have to give a technical presentation for an interview, but not sure if I can assume things? So I was asked to solve 3 problems for an upcoming technical presentation. I have to make a powerpoint on how I would correct the issues, but the problem statements don't give everything away. I'm thinking maybe I can assume certain things and use that to my advantage? Or is that \"frowned upon?\" Should I come up with different possible reasons for the problem, and present how I would solve each of them? Or just pick one way and run with it?","c_root_id_A":"h4jbh2v","c_root_id_B":"h4j6wuz","created_at_utc_A":1625790102,"created_at_utc_B":1625787651,"score_A":15,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Make the assumptions that are most reasonable and explain them up front. If you have alternate solutions, put them in a section titled \"backup slides\" at the end for you to refer to if you are asked about them.","human_ref_B":"State your assumptions and reasoning.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2451.0,"score_ratio":3.75} +{"post_id":"ogj2t9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Have to give a technical presentation for an interview, but not sure if I can assume things? So I was asked to solve 3 problems for an upcoming technical presentation. I have to make a powerpoint on how I would correct the issues, but the problem statements don't give everything away. I'm thinking maybe I can assume certain things and use that to my advantage? Or is that \"frowned upon?\" Should I come up with different possible reasons for the problem, and present how I would solve each of them? Or just pick one way and run with it?","c_root_id_A":"h4j6wuz","c_root_id_B":"h4j7vcg","created_at_utc_A":1625787651,"created_at_utc_B":1625788160,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"State your assumptions and reasoning.","human_ref_B":"You will never know the full information on anything in life because that\u2019s not how the real world works, everything in engineering is an assumption, just make sure that the assumptions you make make sense and you have a justifiable reason for them and you should be fine","labels":0,"seconds_difference":509.0,"score_ratio":2.25} +{"post_id":"ogj2t9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Have to give a technical presentation for an interview, but not sure if I can assume things? So I was asked to solve 3 problems for an upcoming technical presentation. I have to make a powerpoint on how I would correct the issues, but the problem statements don't give everything away. I'm thinking maybe I can assume certain things and use that to my advantage? Or is that \"frowned upon?\" Should I come up with different possible reasons for the problem, and present how I would solve each of them? Or just pick one way and run with it?","c_root_id_A":"h4j6wuz","c_root_id_B":"h4ji03v","created_at_utc_A":1625787651,"created_at_utc_B":1625793607,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"State your assumptions and reasoning.","human_ref_B":"Make assumptions. When I write technical calculation packages Section 1 is a summary, 2 is referneces, 3 is assumptions. and in general for each section I include assumptions specific to that section. Assumptions are huge in engineering and also really sets one engineer apart from the other based on how they use their judgement. They likely were vague with the questions specifically for this reason.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5956.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"ogj2t9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Have to give a technical presentation for an interview, but not sure if I can assume things? So I was asked to solve 3 problems for an upcoming technical presentation. I have to make a powerpoint on how I would correct the issues, but the problem statements don't give everything away. I'm thinking maybe I can assume certain things and use that to my advantage? Or is that \"frowned upon?\" Should I come up with different possible reasons for the problem, and present how I would solve each of them? Or just pick one way and run with it?","c_root_id_A":"h4jj3jr","c_root_id_B":"h4j6wuz","created_at_utc_A":1625794189,"created_at_utc_B":1625787651,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Making good assumptions is a critical part of engineering","human_ref_B":"State your assumptions and reasoning.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6538.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"ogj2t9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Have to give a technical presentation for an interview, but not sure if I can assume things? So I was asked to solve 3 problems for an upcoming technical presentation. I have to make a powerpoint on how I would correct the issues, but the problem statements don't give everything away. I'm thinking maybe I can assume certain things and use that to my advantage? Or is that \"frowned upon?\" Should I come up with different possible reasons for the problem, and present how I would solve each of them? Or just pick one way and run with it?","c_root_id_A":"h4ji81o","c_root_id_B":"h4jj3jr","created_at_utc_A":1625793724,"created_at_utc_B":1625794189,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"For me as an interviewer, state your assumptions clearly and which parts of your solution would be invalidated or adjusted if those assumptions were wrong. I ask questions like this during hiring and a main thing I'm looking for is you understanding you do not have enough information to solve the problem and identifying that.","human_ref_B":"Making good assumptions is a critical part of engineering","labels":0,"seconds_difference":465.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"3iyai7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"What are some emergent technologies that you think will be significant to your industry over the next 10-25 years? For example, how pick-and-place machines were significant to electronics manufacturing, or how CNC technology was significant to machining processes. What are some things that are being experimented with at the moment that you can see becoming fairly prevalent over the coming decades?","c_root_id_A":"cuksdvd","c_root_id_B":"cukri59","created_at_utc_A":1440947086,"created_at_utc_B":1440945140,"score_A":35,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"Synthetic biology and fermentation are going to produce all types of commodity chemicals that are currently produced via the petroleum industry. Check out one of my client's company: http:\/\/lygos.com\/","human_ref_B":"3D printing\/Additive manufacturing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1946.0,"score_ratio":1.5909090909} +{"post_id":"3iyai7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"What are some emergent technologies that you think will be significant to your industry over the next 10-25 years? For example, how pick-and-place machines were significant to electronics manufacturing, or how CNC technology was significant to machining processes. What are some things that are being experimented with at the moment that you can see becoming fairly prevalent over the coming decades?","c_root_id_A":"cukxgpz","c_root_id_B":"cuku70u","created_at_utc_A":1440956451,"created_at_utc_B":1440950561,"score_A":22,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Vacuum insulated glass. Wave of the future. Windows with r values as high as walls.","human_ref_B":"Neural networks. companies are just starting to roll out dedicated neural net chips (rather than a processor performing neural network calculations). I believe this will change a the way we interact with computers significantly.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5890.0,"score_ratio":1.1} +{"post_id":"3iyai7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"What are some emergent technologies that you think will be significant to your industry over the next 10-25 years? For example, how pick-and-place machines were significant to electronics manufacturing, or how CNC technology was significant to machining processes. What are some things that are being experimented with at the moment that you can see becoming fairly prevalent over the coming decades?","c_root_id_A":"cukxgpz","c_root_id_B":"cukv21h","created_at_utc_A":1440956451,"created_at_utc_B":1440952156,"score_A":22,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Vacuum insulated glass. Wave of the future. Windows with r values as high as walls.","human_ref_B":"BIM. Been around for a while, but it's finally becoming the standard - this is from the AEC side of the industry.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4295.0,"score_ratio":3.1428571429} +{"post_id":"3iyai7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"What are some emergent technologies that you think will be significant to your industry over the next 10-25 years? For example, how pick-and-place machines were significant to electronics manufacturing, or how CNC technology was significant to machining processes. What are some things that are being experimented with at the moment that you can see becoming fairly prevalent over the coming decades?","c_root_id_A":"cul1gm4","c_root_id_B":"culdlzb","created_at_utc_A":1440963649,"created_at_utc_B":1440986211,"score_A":7,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Memristors are probably going to change how computing in general works. We're going to need to rethink how we process information, and what the difference between data storage and data processing is.","human_ref_B":"I've worked in high-tech manufacturing for 15 years and my $.02 is that automation has a LONG way to go before we can say we have automated factories. There are still a lot of high touch processes (like incoming inspection\/QA, kitting, test (Hipot, xray, etc) that should be automated but can't because the equipment vendors don't follow any reasonable software\/API standards. That's going to change because if it doesn't, SAAS startups are going to eat their lunch. Speaking of SAAS, legacy ERPs are withering on the vine. Companies are either going to realize they don't need the complexity Oracle & SAP demand and they'll switch, or they'll be smart and never choose Oracle or SAP in the first place. I'm bullish on Oracle for about the next 10 years, but after that... not so much. IoT. Sensorification of factories is by no means ubiquitous, but it will be in the next decade. 3D printing. It practically doesn't exist at all yet, but it will ... oh, it will. Locating factories near customers rather than near cheap labor. Why? Automation will largely make the direct labor costs irrelevant. and supply chain velocity will become even more important.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22562.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714} +{"post_id":"3iyai7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"What are some emergent technologies that you think will be significant to your industry over the next 10-25 years? For example, how pick-and-place machines were significant to electronics manufacturing, or how CNC technology was significant to machining processes. What are some things that are being experimented with at the moment that you can see becoming fairly prevalent over the coming decades?","c_root_id_A":"cul4j0n","c_root_id_B":"culdlzb","created_at_utc_A":1440969199,"created_at_utc_B":1440986211,"score_A":5,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Silicon Carbide nuclear fuel cladding. It is highly accident resistant and does not generate hydrogen during loss of coolant accident scenarios. Greatly changes the accident scenarios a nuclear reactor needs to be designed to deal with, and if used with small modular reactors, could essentially eliminate the need for many if not all safety systems (whether active or passive).","human_ref_B":"I've worked in high-tech manufacturing for 15 years and my $.02 is that automation has a LONG way to go before we can say we have automated factories. There are still a lot of high touch processes (like incoming inspection\/QA, kitting, test (Hipot, xray, etc) that should be automated but can't because the equipment vendors don't follow any reasonable software\/API standards. That's going to change because if it doesn't, SAAS startups are going to eat their lunch. Speaking of SAAS, legacy ERPs are withering on the vine. Companies are either going to realize they don't need the complexity Oracle & SAP demand and they'll switch, or they'll be smart and never choose Oracle or SAP in the first place. I'm bullish on Oracle for about the next 10 years, but after that... not so much. IoT. Sensorification of factories is by no means ubiquitous, but it will be in the next decade. 3D printing. It practically doesn't exist at all yet, but it will ... oh, it will. Locating factories near customers rather than near cheap labor. Why? Automation will largely make the direct labor costs irrelevant. and supply chain velocity will become even more important.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17012.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"3iyai7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"What are some emergent technologies that you think will be significant to your industry over the next 10-25 years? For example, how pick-and-place machines were significant to electronics manufacturing, or how CNC technology was significant to machining processes. What are some things that are being experimented with at the moment that you can see becoming fairly prevalent over the coming decades?","c_root_id_A":"cukv21h","c_root_id_B":"culdlzb","created_at_utc_A":1440952156,"created_at_utc_B":1440986211,"score_A":7,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"BIM. Been around for a while, but it's finally becoming the standard - this is from the AEC side of the industry.","human_ref_B":"I've worked in high-tech manufacturing for 15 years and my $.02 is that automation has a LONG way to go before we can say we have automated factories. There are still a lot of high touch processes (like incoming inspection\/QA, kitting, test (Hipot, xray, etc) that should be automated but can't because the equipment vendors don't follow any reasonable software\/API standards. That's going to change because if it doesn't, SAAS startups are going to eat their lunch. Speaking of SAAS, legacy ERPs are withering on the vine. Companies are either going to realize they don't need the complexity Oracle & SAP demand and they'll switch, or they'll be smart and never choose Oracle or SAP in the first place. I'm bullish on Oracle for about the next 10 years, but after that... not so much. IoT. Sensorification of factories is by no means ubiquitous, but it will be in the next decade. 3D printing. It practically doesn't exist at all yet, but it will ... oh, it will. Locating factories near customers rather than near cheap labor. Why? Automation will largely make the direct labor costs irrelevant. and supply chain velocity will become even more important.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":34055.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714} +{"post_id":"dw3fz3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"How much worse would bootleg double glazing be compared to true vaccum-sealed\/heavy-gas-filled Double glazing? My brother-in-law has been renovating his house and he decided to \"double glaze\" the windows by simply adding another piece of glass inside the wooden window frames about an inch away from the first window. Essentially I'm just curious as to whether this is anywhere near as effective as a proper double glazed window, and whether or not people think it would be dishonest to market a house as being fully double glazed given this solution.","c_root_id_A":"f7gg99t","c_root_id_B":"f7gfyxp","created_at_utc_A":1573702998,"created_at_utc_B":1573702771,"score_A":22,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"He's invented interior storm windows. Real double glazed windows will have a thermal break between the layers of glass, along with an inert gas to insulate and prevent condensation. He may get some small amount of additional draft reduction and the insulation value of a pane of glass, but he's also going to have condensation problems that will fog those windows and rot out any wood in there.","human_ref_B":"Calling it double paned would be shady. It'll help some, but the inner and outer panes need to be sealed. The air\/gas in between the panes is the insulation. If air can move in and out, it won't be as effective.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":227.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714} +{"post_id":"mwtqjg","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Looking to build my own electric inline skates What disciplines of engineering and or robotics \/ mechanics should I be looking towards learning I want to learn the details of motors and essentially how to build such a thing... fabrication , mechanical and electrical engineering ? Any more specific advice ? Thanks \ud83d\ude0a\ud83d\ude4f\ud83c\udffe","c_root_id_A":"gvkblrv","c_root_id_B":"gvk8zfw","created_at_utc_A":1619184663,"created_at_utc_B":1619183295,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Aside from the danger, it's also worth noting the packaging puts this project into hard mode. Because inline skates are minimalistic by design, there isn't a lot of space to work with them to propel yourself without putting a lot of strain on your extremeties and having lots of unwieldy materials sticking out of the skates.. It's certainly feasible, but if one of my students came to me with this project as one of their first projects, I would try to redirect them to something more affordable and attainable for a first project. Getting that first win under your belt as quick as possible will help keep you engaged. Maybe look into a kit for something similar. Also, I'd ask \"What interests you about motorized inline skates?\" Is it the package size? The unique concept? An inexpensive travel choice? Try to answer that question and start with something that lets you use less specialized parts that moves you into the direction of your over-arching project of inline skates. Maybe a electric motorized barstool kit or something like that? https:\/\/electricscooterparts.com\/electric-bar-stool-racer-kits.html","human_ref_B":"There's a lot of electrical. Motors, control, batteries. I've actually done this and one big problem was weight. The skates were way too heavy. I ended up putting batteries and most of the electronics in a backpack and ran wires down my legs to the skates but even then I felt like the motors were too heavy. I was using motors designed for scooters but I think something smaller would be better. I'd look into some of the in wheel motors some electric skate boards use.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1368.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"bsn2oj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Should I accept an internship if it's the only one available even if I'm not into that career path? [Mechanical] Hey guys. I'm currently finishing my junior year (mechanical engineering) and I've been applying to many internships with no luck.. A couple of days ago my dad was talking to a friend who's a civil engineer when he mentioned that I've been looking for internships with no luck and he said he could help me land an internship but it's gonna be in HVAC. A couple of things I read online from people who had a career in this field said that it was \"repetitive\" and \"gets boring very quickly\". I can't decide what to do. Should I accept the offer or just spend this time taking an online course or learning something? Also any advice from people in this field would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"eoojvc5","c_root_id_B":"eoohfn0","created_at_utc_A":1558740357,"created_at_utc_B":1558738624,"score_A":27,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I'm in HVAC. I love it. Some parts can be repetitive and boring, but that's true of engineering, not just HVAC. The refrigeration cycle is pretty much the closest thing we can do to magic as far as I'm concerned. Pushing heat uphill is awesome, and the methods we use to do it are really interesting. Take the internship. You'll be bored if you don't try to be interested, but there are plenty of rabbit holes that you can go down if you care to take the trip.","human_ref_B":"Take it. That experience is better than no experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1733.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"bsn2oj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Should I accept an internship if it's the only one available even if I'm not into that career path? [Mechanical] Hey guys. I'm currently finishing my junior year (mechanical engineering) and I've been applying to many internships with no luck.. A couple of days ago my dad was talking to a friend who's a civil engineer when he mentioned that I've been looking for internships with no luck and he said he could help me land an internship but it's gonna be in HVAC. A couple of things I read online from people who had a career in this field said that it was \"repetitive\" and \"gets boring very quickly\". I can't decide what to do. Should I accept the offer or just spend this time taking an online course or learning something? Also any advice from people in this field would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"eoows6b","c_root_id_B":"eoooehf","created_at_utc_A":1558749613,"created_at_utc_B":1558743684,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Do it. No question. If you're in your first year of engineering you're about as useful to an employer as tits on a Nun. Beggars can't be choosers. Get some experience under your belt and start building your career.","human_ref_B":"Yes. It will help you pick up skills you'll need anywhere and it will help enforce what you plan on doing ultimately.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5929.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"bsn2oj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Should I accept an internship if it's the only one available even if I'm not into that career path? [Mechanical] Hey guys. I'm currently finishing my junior year (mechanical engineering) and I've been applying to many internships with no luck.. A couple of days ago my dad was talking to a friend who's a civil engineer when he mentioned that I've been looking for internships with no luck and he said he could help me land an internship but it's gonna be in HVAC. A couple of things I read online from people who had a career in this field said that it was \"repetitive\" and \"gets boring very quickly\". I can't decide what to do. Should I accept the offer or just spend this time taking an online course or learning something? Also any advice from people in this field would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"eoows6b","c_root_id_B":"eoousez","created_at_utc_A":1558749613,"created_at_utc_B":1558748354,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Do it. No question. If you're in your first year of engineering you're about as useful to an employer as tits on a Nun. Beggars can't be choosers. Get some experience under your belt and start building your career.","human_ref_B":"Yes take it for sure. I was in a similar situation...I\u2019m an ME student but could only find an internship working in data analytics for a paving company. I was worried that it might look bad because it\u2019s not ME-related, but it turned out fine and I\u2019ve been given some cool projects. It\u2019s better than nothing, and you can always tailor it on your resume","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1259.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"bsn2oj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Should I accept an internship if it's the only one available even if I'm not into that career path? [Mechanical] Hey guys. I'm currently finishing my junior year (mechanical engineering) and I've been applying to many internships with no luck.. A couple of days ago my dad was talking to a friend who's a civil engineer when he mentioned that I've been looking for internships with no luck and he said he could help me land an internship but it's gonna be in HVAC. A couple of things I read online from people who had a career in this field said that it was \"repetitive\" and \"gets boring very quickly\". I can't decide what to do. Should I accept the offer or just spend this time taking an online course or learning something? Also any advice from people in this field would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"eoousez","c_root_id_B":"eop1no6","created_at_utc_A":1558748354,"created_at_utc_B":1558752750,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Yes take it for sure. I was in a similar situation...I\u2019m an ME student but could only find an internship working in data analytics for a paving company. I was worried that it might look bad because it\u2019s not ME-related, but it turned out fine and I\u2019ve been given some cool projects. It\u2019s better than nothing, and you can always tailor it on your resume","human_ref_B":"No downside. Finding professional employment is damn near impossible if you don\u2019t have an internship-read all those \u201ccan\u2019t find a job woe is me!\u201d posts on \/engineering \/chemicalengineering \/mechanicalengineering \/engineeringstudents ... Companies have never hired more engineers EVER than they are now. It\u2019s an employee\u2019s job market. I\u2019m going to get the downvotes for this one, but it\u2019s true. But here\u2019s the catch-they all want 1-3 years of experience for *entry-level*. How do you get that experience?? Internships and coops or prior experience and be a non-traditional student. Take it. What\u2019s your BATNA?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4396.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"1vtnit","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.73,"history":"How likely is it that my job as an engineer (structural in my case) will become automated in the next 50 or so years? You may have seen this post in the technology subreddit. I've thought about it before but the article inspired me to post this and ask for the thoughts of professionals. Where do you see different industries heading in terms of automation? My particular interest is in structural engineering but your thoughts on other fields would be great as well.","c_root_id_A":"cevq51h","c_root_id_B":"cevow5d","created_at_utc_A":1390366657,"created_at_utc_B":1390363650,"score_A":25,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Not likely, people are acting like computers will just be able to look at a picture someone took on their phone and automatically know where to build everything associated with the project, produce shop drawings and automatically check the code. Someone has to create the FEA model, define the loads and constraints and make reasonable assumptions about the behavior of the design to create an accurate mathematical representation. There are many other things computers won't be able to automate; soils reports, location of existing utilities, how to build the entire structure without it falling during construction, ect. Automation is a good thing, it will free you from the mind numbing repetitive tasks but it will never make your education obsolete.","human_ref_B":"I guess extremely likely. A large responsibility at my old job was writing software to automate it away. Before you know it, genetic algorithms will crank through 100,000 design iterations of a new bridge in the same time it takes a human to take a dump. As a society, we'll need *some* engineers to define requirements and constraints, and give a final pass on the resulting design, but for most of us we'll be made redundant. :(","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3007.0,"score_ratio":3.125} +{"post_id":"1vtnit","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.73,"history":"How likely is it that my job as an engineer (structural in my case) will become automated in the next 50 or so years? You may have seen this post in the technology subreddit. I've thought about it before but the article inspired me to post this and ask for the thoughts of professionals. Where do you see different industries heading in terms of automation? My particular interest is in structural engineering but your thoughts on other fields would be great as well.","c_root_id_A":"cevwatf","c_root_id_B":"cevxoj4","created_at_utc_A":1390395807,"created_at_utc_B":1390401044,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"ITT: Lots of predictions, very little evidence.","human_ref_B":"I don't know about automation but I had a scary experience with outsourcing recently. I work in industrial process & mechanical projects in the US which I always thought were fairly safe from being outsourced. But on a recent project, a competitor firm flew in a couple of engineers from India to do field work. Then those engineers took the project back to India to do the engineering. Nobody on the whole project team seemed to like the results for a number of reasons. Not the owner, not the contractor, not even the engineering firm's local team. But the owner had a nation-wide contract with the engineering firm. The firm could outsource to India cheaply and I guess the owner was willing to put up with the blunders of having the engineering performed half way around the world.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5237.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"fnauni","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Is it worth it to major in an engineering discipline if it will likely take me more than 4 years to graduate (at least in my case)? Please be completely honest. I\u00b4m a 20 year old male starting my undergraduate career at a State College in South Florida with the goal of transferring to a University (either Texas A &M or University of Florida but leaning UF). I have considered many majors, some of them engineering disciplines but I am currently set on Chemical Engineering. Unfortunately, I am not starting at Calc. 1 but at the lowest math, \u00a8Developmental Mathematics\u00a8 AKA remedial math and will be taking Intermediate Algebra next after passing my current math course which is on hold due to obvious reasons. I feel it will take me at least 3 years to catch up, then pass Calc. 1-3 and linear algebra plus physics and chemistry courses. I have the gen ed courses to take on top of the engineering pre-reqs, which is why I\u00b4m calculating I\u00b4ll be in the state college at least 3 years before seeing the University. Can I risk burning out? With say an English or Economics major I would do 2 years at my state college and two at the university and then I\u00b4m done. After graduation my goal is either: ​ A.) Go to Law School to become a patent attorney. B.) Do a post-bacc year or Special Masters Program followed by medical school. ​ If I choose B. an engineering degree is not necessary but if I do A. I need the engineering degree (that or a P.h.D in a science discipline but I prefer a BS in engineering). I could still go to Law School without an engineering degree but I wouldn't be able to sit for the patent bar and thus would have to choose a different field of law (but I\u00b4ll only do this if I conclude the path I\u00b4m on rn is not worth it.","c_root_id_A":"fl8mu1q","c_root_id_B":"fl8s06a","created_at_utc_A":1584927353,"created_at_utc_B":1584930864,"score_A":7,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"It might be worth it to study up on the placement test to see if you could place higher than college prep math. If you choose to start in the summer semester or even the fall semester then you have plenty of time to study.","human_ref_B":"I started at community college in Trig. I took math classes each summer and during each semester and I still had to spend an extra year at community college. Currently I'm finishing up my BS in Mech E at Berkeley and my total degree time will be about (5.5 years). No regrets. If engineering is what you want to do, then do it. I know people who spent 4-5 years at community college (before transferring) and they have no regrets.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3511.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"fnauni","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Is it worth it to major in an engineering discipline if it will likely take me more than 4 years to graduate (at least in my case)? Please be completely honest. I\u00b4m a 20 year old male starting my undergraduate career at a State College in South Florida with the goal of transferring to a University (either Texas A &M or University of Florida but leaning UF). I have considered many majors, some of them engineering disciplines but I am currently set on Chemical Engineering. Unfortunately, I am not starting at Calc. 1 but at the lowest math, \u00a8Developmental Mathematics\u00a8 AKA remedial math and will be taking Intermediate Algebra next after passing my current math course which is on hold due to obvious reasons. I feel it will take me at least 3 years to catch up, then pass Calc. 1-3 and linear algebra plus physics and chemistry courses. I have the gen ed courses to take on top of the engineering pre-reqs, which is why I\u00b4m calculating I\u00b4ll be in the state college at least 3 years before seeing the University. Can I risk burning out? With say an English or Economics major I would do 2 years at my state college and two at the university and then I\u00b4m done. After graduation my goal is either: ​ A.) Go to Law School to become a patent attorney. B.) Do a post-bacc year or Special Masters Program followed by medical school. ​ If I choose B. an engineering degree is not necessary but if I do A. I need the engineering degree (that or a P.h.D in a science discipline but I prefer a BS in engineering). I could still go to Law School without an engineering degree but I wouldn't be able to sit for the patent bar and thus would have to choose a different field of law (but I\u00b4ll only do this if I conclude the path I\u00b4m on rn is not worth it.","c_root_id_A":"fl8w9mg","c_root_id_B":"fl93uky","created_at_utc_A":1584933926,"created_at_utc_B":1584940142,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Honest question: You're not choosing an easy path. If you couldn't handle high school math the first time around, what makes you think you can handle Calculus, etc.?","human_ref_B":"Honestly, you can go anywhere with an engineering degree. Law school? Med school? MBA? Almost guaranteed if you can maintain a B (or even a C in some cases) with an engineering degree. That said, engineering is hard, and it\u2019s significantly harder if you\u2019re not passionate about it. My advice is, if you enjoy engineering (or at least think you\u2019ll enjoy it), then go for it, and things will work themselves out from there. If you don\u2019t enjoy engineering though, you\u2019re better off doing a different pre-law field (preferably one you enjoy).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6216.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"kg05lk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Why is true position used in place of perpendicularity so often in GD&T? Hello all, As a quality guy, I have a question for you design guys. I often see prints where a part has a cylindrical feature called back to a plane it's perpendicular to called out as a true position back to that plane with no other datums listed. I interpret that as perpendicularity because it just doesn't make sense to me any other way. It's like calling a circle back to that plane but there's no origin on that plane, I just don't get it. I've seen this repeatedly and no one else at work has been able to explain it to me, they always just say oh well they mean perpendicularity.","c_root_id_A":"ggbr8bx","c_root_id_B":"ggbuvjz","created_at_utc_A":1608348856,"created_at_utc_B":1608351210,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Perp is just orientation, position controls location and orientation.","human_ref_B":"Are you saying they aren't referencing ANY datums for the position tolerance? I've been out of the design gang for a couple years and am probably a little rusty...but a position tolerance should almost always have at least one datum associated with it. Think of it in 3D space. In the case of a hole, that position tolerance isn't just controlling the tolerance zone for the opening of the hole at the surface, it creates a tolerance zone that looks like a cylinder for the entire depth of the hole. The axis of the actual needs to fall within this cylindrical tolerance zone along the holes entire length in order to be confirming. This controls perpendicularity as well because if the hole is at too great an angle, the axis will fall outside the tolerance zone.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2354.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"cs1016","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is the significance of condensation efficiency in tumble dryers? Samsung dryers only have 81% efficiency. Competing brands like Bosch and Miele are in the 91-95% range. How much of a detriment is the low efficiency in the Samsung dryers compared to those of Bosch and Miele?","c_root_id_A":"exbqebi","c_root_id_B":"exbnnuj","created_at_utc_A":1566136220,"created_at_utc_B":1566134784,"score_A":126,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I had to look up what \"condensation efficiency\" was. Apparently some driers condense the moisture from the tumbler and then have a drain line. Is this the standard outside the US or something? Every drier I've had just blows the hot wet air out of a vent duct to the outside of the house.","human_ref_B":"Where are these numbers coming from?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1436.0,"score_ratio":25.2} +{"post_id":"cs1016","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is the significance of condensation efficiency in tumble dryers? Samsung dryers only have 81% efficiency. Competing brands like Bosch and Miele are in the 91-95% range. How much of a detriment is the low efficiency in the Samsung dryers compared to those of Bosch and Miele?","c_root_id_A":"exbnnuj","c_root_id_B":"exbqehs","created_at_utc_A":1566134784,"created_at_utc_B":1566136222,"score_A":5,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Where are these numbers coming from?","human_ref_B":"The lower the condensing efficiency, the more moisture is released into your house.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1438.0,"score_ratio":5.4} +{"post_id":"cs1016","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is the significance of condensation efficiency in tumble dryers? Samsung dryers only have 81% efficiency. Competing brands like Bosch and Miele are in the 91-95% range. How much of a detriment is the low efficiency in the Samsung dryers compared to those of Bosch and Miele?","c_root_id_A":"exbnnuj","c_root_id_B":"excgr96","created_at_utc_A":1566134784,"created_at_utc_B":1566150366,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Where are these numbers coming from?","human_ref_B":"It's a pretty major factor if it's a closed loop dryer (that is, the dryer recirculates the air inside the dry cavity). The lower the efficiency, the less moisture the condenser takes from the air and the longer it'll take to dry the clothes. Time may be an important factor for you, but energy expenditure is also significantly impacted.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15582.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"cs1016","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is the significance of condensation efficiency in tumble dryers? Samsung dryers only have 81% efficiency. Competing brands like Bosch and Miele are in the 91-95% range. How much of a detriment is the low efficiency in the Samsung dryers compared to those of Bosch and Miele?","c_root_id_A":"excgr96","c_root_id_B":"exc986g","created_at_utc_A":1566150366,"created_at_utc_B":1566145762,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It's a pretty major factor if it's a closed loop dryer (that is, the dryer recirculates the air inside the dry cavity). The lower the efficiency, the less moisture the condenser takes from the air and the longer it'll take to dry the clothes. Time may be an important factor for you, but energy expenditure is also significantly impacted.","human_ref_B":"Never having heard of these, can someone explain how the drain works? Is it gravity fed, or does it pump out like the typical washer? I'm asking because this sounds like something I'd be interested in getting, but have no means of adding a drain point under the dryer. The drain point for the washer is higher than the appliances, next to the water valves, typical of (I think) most US installations. If the dryer pumps the water out like a washer, then they could share the same drain.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4604.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"43k4p9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could a rocket engine, in principle, be created by passing oxygen through a loose, powdered fuel (fluidizing it) and then pass that mixture into a combustion chamber to ignite it? Putting aside potentially bad performance, high cost, or whatever else, is the basic principle sound?","c_root_id_A":"czirrcr","c_root_id_B":"cziry8m","created_at_utc_A":1454264374,"created_at_utc_B":1454264694,"score_A":7,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Propulsion isn't really my field; perhaps someone more knowledgeable can correct me if I'm mistaken. But I'd imagine that your gaseous O2 would immediately begin to oxidize the fuel, well before it was sufficiently fluidized.","human_ref_B":"Sure, it could work in theory. Not sure how you would effectively mix your powder in any sort of stable\/consistent manner, but that's hardly a violation of physics or the like. And FWIW... at some level it's already been done. Keywords to search for are \"slurry rocket monopropellant.\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":320.0,"score_ratio":3.4285714286} +{"post_id":"43k4p9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could a rocket engine, in principle, be created by passing oxygen through a loose, powdered fuel (fluidizing it) and then pass that mixture into a combustion chamber to ignite it? Putting aside potentially bad performance, high cost, or whatever else, is the basic principle sound?","c_root_id_A":"czix2tk","c_root_id_B":"cziwac6","created_at_utc_A":1454273371,"created_at_utc_B":1454272019,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It could work, but you'd have difficult mixing problems and long residence times without the advantage of high performance liquid\/gaseous fuels (barring exotic solid fuel choices). A much safer and more controllable way to burn a solid propellant with a liquid or gas is a hybrid rocket. Hybrids are usually made with plastic or rubber, but they can be made with wood, coal, or almost any solid fuel.","human_ref_B":"As was mentioned before, slurry fuels are very similar. The use of an inert gas as the carrier has been researched as well. See: http:\/\/ntrs.nasa.gov\/archive\/nasa\/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov\/19940017287.pdf As far as I'm aware, this concept has never been brought beyond small scale, low duration hot-fire tests.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1352.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"gjshfk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Do DIY projects count as portfolio when applying for a starter engineering position? I am into hobby analog audio electronics and am close to finishing a modular synthesizer that has several modules (some based on other people's schematics and some on my own). If I wanted to get into audio engineering as a career, do DIY projects generally count as a portfolio and\/or could boost job prospects? I do not have a degree in engineering but have read several books on circuit design and audio engineering which is hard to prove in an actual interview.","c_root_id_A":"fqn6uf0","c_root_id_B":"fqn0onh","created_at_utc_A":1589489657,"created_at_utc_B":1589486696,"score_A":12,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I'm pretty sure one of the reasons I got my job is because I talked about how I used my hobby of 3D printing for work related tasks. Then talked at length on my interest and how I could apply such solutions to the shop floor. Got hired, did that, now I'm about to get a massive FDM printer to build even bigger fixtures faster. My wife doesn't understand why I need more 3D printers at home though.","human_ref_B":"As the others have mentioned, hobbies and passion projects stand out in a portfolio because it shows motivation and even trial and error. While not exactly related to engineering, I was applying to internships my Junior year and I managed to reach out to THE Radio Woodstock. Apparently I was the only applicant who had any form of experience with an analog radio mixer (I had my own FM radio show at my college). So I just threw in a USB stick with some episodes I recorded.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2961.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"gjshfk","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Do DIY projects count as portfolio when applying for a starter engineering position? I am into hobby analog audio electronics and am close to finishing a modular synthesizer that has several modules (some based on other people's schematics and some on my own). If I wanted to get into audio engineering as a career, do DIY projects generally count as a portfolio and\/or could boost job prospects? I do not have a degree in engineering but have read several books on circuit design and audio engineering which is hard to prove in an actual interview.","c_root_id_A":"fqn0onh","c_root_id_B":"fqnc3xg","created_at_utc_A":1589486696,"created_at_utc_B":1589492230,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"As the others have mentioned, hobbies and passion projects stand out in a portfolio because it shows motivation and even trial and error. While not exactly related to engineering, I was applying to internships my Junior year and I managed to reach out to THE Radio Woodstock. Apparently I was the only applicant who had any form of experience with an analog radio mixer (I had my own FM radio show at my college). So I just threw in a USB stick with some episodes I recorded.","human_ref_B":"I suspect the main reason I got my first job is that the main interviewer was considering buying the exact lathe I had, which I had just built a small steam engine on, from raw castings.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5534.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"vrtqm6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Is there a sensor that can detect moisture levels without contact? Will I be able to acquire it cheaply and connect it to raspberry pi and such controllers?","c_root_id_A":"iex9ge0","c_root_id_B":"iexcjf6","created_at_utc_A":1657014017,"created_at_utc_B":1657016578,"score_A":4,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Yes. You can use microwave sensors or a slow neutron source and a fast neutron detector. Microwave can be cheap if you're crafty.","human_ref_B":"Moisture level could mean a lot of different things. In air, in a container of liquid, or in some solid material, perhaps wood or food?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2561.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"vrtqm6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Is there a sensor that can detect moisture levels without contact? Will I be able to acquire it cheaply and connect it to raspberry pi and such controllers?","c_root_id_A":"iexfucd","c_root_id_B":"iex9ge0","created_at_utc_A":1657019064,"created_at_utc_B":1657014017,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Frequency Modulated Continuous Wave RADAR. Idk what the cost is, but a paper I found claims it\u2019s \u201cinexpensive\u201d (to who? Industry? Hobbyists? Idk) Link","human_ref_B":"Yes. You can use microwave sensors or a slow neutron source and a fast neutron detector. Microwave can be cheap if you're crafty.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5047.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"vrtqm6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Is there a sensor that can detect moisture levels without contact? Will I be able to acquire it cheaply and connect it to raspberry pi and such controllers?","c_root_id_A":"iexfucd","c_root_id_B":"iexd7zk","created_at_utc_A":1657019064,"created_at_utc_B":1657017117,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Frequency Modulated Continuous Wave RADAR. Idk what the cost is, but a paper I found claims it\u2019s \u201cinexpensive\u201d (to who? Industry? Hobbyists? Idk) Link","human_ref_B":"Do you mean wireless or the sensor is not in contact with object (i.e dirt, air, ECT)?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1947.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"vrtqm6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Is there a sensor that can detect moisture levels without contact? Will I be able to acquire it cheaply and connect it to raspberry pi and such controllers?","c_root_id_A":"iexrvr4","c_root_id_B":"iexd7zk","created_at_utc_A":1657026362,"created_at_utc_B":1657017117,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Not that I know of. The principal of operation for microwave is that there is a phase shift in the transmission wave upon rebounding with hydrogen. Theoretically you could was any set wave pattern at 2.4 ghz and compare against the original. It will require calibration. There is a lot of documentation because this is common in the concrete,paper and wood industry.","human_ref_B":"Do you mean wireless or the sensor is not in contact with object (i.e dirt, air, ECT)?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9245.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"vrtqm6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Is there a sensor that can detect moisture levels without contact? Will I be able to acquire it cheaply and connect it to raspberry pi and such controllers?","c_root_id_A":"iexrvr4","c_root_id_B":"iexj6hk","created_at_utc_A":1657026362,"created_at_utc_B":1657021341,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Not that I know of. The principal of operation for microwave is that there is a phase shift in the transmission wave upon rebounding with hydrogen. Theoretically you could was any set wave pattern at 2.4 ghz and compare against the original. It will require calibration. There is a lot of documentation because this is common in the concrete,paper and wood industry.","human_ref_B":"you can cover a surface of soil and under there you put a humidometer. after leaving it to equilibrate for a few hours you can get an approximate. The humidity in soil can be somewhere between what you read off the instrument and 100%. Bear in mind that humidity changes with atmospheric pressure and temperature. If thats not good enough, buy a satellite","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5021.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"vrtqm6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Is there a sensor that can detect moisture levels without contact? Will I be able to acquire it cheaply and connect it to raspberry pi and such controllers?","c_root_id_A":"iexrvr4","c_root_id_B":"iexqjc9","created_at_utc_A":1657026362,"created_at_utc_B":1657025657,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Not that I know of. The principal of operation for microwave is that there is a phase shift in the transmission wave upon rebounding with hydrogen. Theoretically you could was any set wave pattern at 2.4 ghz and compare against the original. It will require calibration. There is a lot of documentation because this is common in the concrete,paper and wood industry.","human_ref_B":"Down hole soil moisture can be measured with a neutron probe.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":705.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"vrtqm6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Is there a sensor that can detect moisture levels without contact? Will I be able to acquire it cheaply and connect it to raspberry pi and such controllers?","c_root_id_A":"iexsu1g","c_root_id_B":"iexd7zk","created_at_utc_A":1657026854,"created_at_utc_B":1657017117,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You are going to need to define \u201cin contact\u201d. For a review of the two cheapest soil sensors please see Swedish Accent dudes summary. I experimented with capacitive soil sensors - the biggest issue is the medium has a lot of variability to it. One type of soil will have different readings than another for the same % of water saturation. The water retention capacity of soil also varies widely. Professional solutions that ag uses cost hundreds of dollars and analyze the feedback from sending signals into the soil. This feedback needs a stupid fast sample rate in order to be of use, and the theory is rather complex. I think capacitive soil moisture sensors are promising if paired with a TCEC (total cation exchange capacity) from a soil test. I haven\u2019t had the time to investigate it - I enjoy my time in the garden so there is also no real incentive.","human_ref_B":"Do you mean wireless or the sensor is not in contact with object (i.e dirt, air, ECT)?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9737.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"vrtqm6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Is there a sensor that can detect moisture levels without contact? Will I be able to acquire it cheaply and connect it to raspberry pi and such controllers?","c_root_id_A":"iexj6hk","c_root_id_B":"iexsu1g","created_at_utc_A":1657021341,"created_at_utc_B":1657026854,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"you can cover a surface of soil and under there you put a humidometer. after leaving it to equilibrate for a few hours you can get an approximate. The humidity in soil can be somewhere between what you read off the instrument and 100%. Bear in mind that humidity changes with atmospheric pressure and temperature. If thats not good enough, buy a satellite","human_ref_B":"You are going to need to define \u201cin contact\u201d. For a review of the two cheapest soil sensors please see Swedish Accent dudes summary. I experimented with capacitive soil sensors - the biggest issue is the medium has a lot of variability to it. One type of soil will have different readings than another for the same % of water saturation. The water retention capacity of soil also varies widely. Professional solutions that ag uses cost hundreds of dollars and analyze the feedback from sending signals into the soil. This feedback needs a stupid fast sample rate in order to be of use, and the theory is rather complex. I think capacitive soil moisture sensors are promising if paired with a TCEC (total cation exchange capacity) from a soil test. I haven\u2019t had the time to investigate it - I enjoy my time in the garden so there is also no real incentive.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5513.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"vrtqm6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Is there a sensor that can detect moisture levels without contact? Will I be able to acquire it cheaply and connect it to raspberry pi and such controllers?","c_root_id_A":"iexsu1g","c_root_id_B":"iexqjc9","created_at_utc_A":1657026854,"created_at_utc_B":1657025657,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You are going to need to define \u201cin contact\u201d. For a review of the two cheapest soil sensors please see Swedish Accent dudes summary. I experimented with capacitive soil sensors - the biggest issue is the medium has a lot of variability to it. One type of soil will have different readings than another for the same % of water saturation. The water retention capacity of soil also varies widely. Professional solutions that ag uses cost hundreds of dollars and analyze the feedback from sending signals into the soil. This feedback needs a stupid fast sample rate in order to be of use, and the theory is rather complex. I think capacitive soil moisture sensors are promising if paired with a TCEC (total cation exchange capacity) from a soil test. I haven\u2019t had the time to investigate it - I enjoy my time in the garden so there is also no real incentive.","human_ref_B":"Down hole soil moisture can be measured with a neutron probe.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1197.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"gdueje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Currently grad student in Mechanical Eng. interested in Control systems and automation where do I start? Hello! I\u2019m a recent graduate in Mechanical Engineering one year out from getting my masters in Mechanical, as well. I had no clue what sort of work I\u2019d be interested in pursuing in the field until recently reading up on what Control Systems\/automation Engineers do. It really caught my attention and seems very exciting to me. And seeing as this subreddit is often very helpful and I\u2019m seeking some advice. What can I do start doing now to effectively pursue potential internships or jobs as a Control Systems engineer? I understand I should be looking more into PLC and DCS. Are there any specific resources or books you guys recommend for a mechanical like me to begin getting a basic understanding or grasp of these? I know PLC can vary somewhat from company to company and I\u2019m trying to get a general understanding. Something that will give me a good basis without being too overwhelming. I\u2019m willing to put in the time and effort to learn I\u2019m just a slow learner. The most experience I have in something related would be a course called Modeling of Physical Systems. At the end of it we made some basic automatic control systems in Matlab\/Simulink which I really enjoyed. I\u2019m taking another course this summer specifically in Modern Control Systems as well. I\u2019m planning to continue working with Simulink and learning it\u2019s ins and out. I\u2019ve also seen some folks mention that some of the smaller companies (external integrators and automation distribution) aside from bigger companies like Emerson or Rockwell, are good about hiring entry levels and helping them get their hands dirty when it comes to learning on the job. Are there any specific companies you might recommend looking into. All advice is very helpful even if it\u2019s just where to start. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"fpk50ry","c_root_id_B":"fpjui1z","created_at_utc_A":1588688117,"created_at_utc_B":1588681341,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Hi im suggesting learning with Arduino first if u wanna learn cheap because PLC is used usually indrustial controller. i learned PLC Siemens simatic s7-1200 under mechatronics section in school.\ud83d\ude00","human_ref_B":"PLC programmers are a dime a dozen. But controls engineers that can architect systems that are robust and maintainable are rare. I suggest learning about system and software development practices instead of specific technologies.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6776.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"gdueje","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Currently grad student in Mechanical Eng. interested in Control systems and automation where do I start? Hello! I\u2019m a recent graduate in Mechanical Engineering one year out from getting my masters in Mechanical, as well. I had no clue what sort of work I\u2019d be interested in pursuing in the field until recently reading up on what Control Systems\/automation Engineers do. It really caught my attention and seems very exciting to me. And seeing as this subreddit is often very helpful and I\u2019m seeking some advice. What can I do start doing now to effectively pursue potential internships or jobs as a Control Systems engineer? I understand I should be looking more into PLC and DCS. Are there any specific resources or books you guys recommend for a mechanical like me to begin getting a basic understanding or grasp of these? I know PLC can vary somewhat from company to company and I\u2019m trying to get a general understanding. Something that will give me a good basis without being too overwhelming. I\u2019m willing to put in the time and effort to learn I\u2019m just a slow learner. The most experience I have in something related would be a course called Modeling of Physical Systems. At the end of it we made some basic automatic control systems in Matlab\/Simulink which I really enjoyed. I\u2019m taking another course this summer specifically in Modern Control Systems as well. I\u2019m planning to continue working with Simulink and learning it\u2019s ins and out. I\u2019ve also seen some folks mention that some of the smaller companies (external integrators and automation distribution) aside from bigger companies like Emerson or Rockwell, are good about hiring entry levels and helping them get their hands dirty when it comes to learning on the job. Are there any specific companies you might recommend looking into. All advice is very helpful even if it\u2019s just where to start. Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"fpk50ry","c_root_id_B":"fpjxo17","created_at_utc_A":1588688117,"created_at_utc_B":1588683622,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Hi im suggesting learning with Arduino first if u wanna learn cheap because PLC is used usually indrustial controller. i learned PLC Siemens simatic s7-1200 under mechatronics section in school.\ud83d\ude00","human_ref_B":"Check out \/r\/ControlTheory as well. For classical control concepts, Brian Douglas has a great collection of Khan Academy-like videos on YouTube. What I think will help you the most, and ideally even before taking the modern control course, I\u2019d try to get an intuitive understanding of a PID controller. If you understand the P, I, D components you have the basis of a large majority of control systems. The remaining challenge is defining your system in a way you can employ it. Even better would be if you could get a simple example working on an Arduino. A google search turned up this which looked decent, and there\u2019s probably more practical resources out there that may be free: https:\/\/www.udemy.com\/course\/pid-control-with-arduino\/","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4495.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9ns04c","c_root_id_B":"f9nry89","created_at_utc_A":1575489702,"created_at_utc_B":1575489677,"score_A":117,"score_B":51,"human_ref_A":"Get a mentor who you trust and run stuff by them. May save you a ton of time on chasing bad design leads. Also read\/analyze a ton of drawings. Become literate","human_ref_B":"The pros & cons of small companies vs. large companies.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25.0,"score_ratio":2.2941176471} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9nt2ow","c_root_id_B":"f9nry89","created_at_utc_A":1575490219,"created_at_utc_B":1575489677,"score_A":97,"score_B":51,"human_ref_A":"CAD and drawing standards. Believe it or not, my university's attitude on CAD\/drawings was \"There's so little time to teach you what we need to teach you, there's no time for that. You can pick that up on your own once you're in industry.\" (<-- paraphrased response to the \"graduating senior\" feedback that I gave to the Dean when asked) 25 years later I *still* suck at making drawings. 'Cause nobody sees the need to send an engineer to a CAD\/drawing class.","human_ref_B":"The pros & cons of small companies vs. large companies.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":542.0,"score_ratio":1.9019607843} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9nt2ow","c_root_id_B":"f9nsqu4","created_at_utc_A":1575490219,"created_at_utc_B":1575490058,"score_A":97,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"CAD and drawing standards. Believe it or not, my university's attitude on CAD\/drawings was \"There's so little time to teach you what we need to teach you, there's no time for that. You can pick that up on your own once you're in industry.\" (<-- paraphrased response to the \"graduating senior\" feedback that I gave to the Dean when asked) 25 years later I *still* suck at making drawings. 'Cause nobody sees the need to send an engineer to a CAD\/drawing class.","human_ref_B":"Learning how to convey my ideas and thoughts coherently to other coworkers in conversation. It's a tricky balance between patronizing somebody, or having everything you say go over their head while they give you empty nods. Learning to stop, slow down, and look around at everyone before you speak is helpful. Knowing where everyone's mindset is before continuing on with a discussion helps you convey what actually matters, and cuts down on conversational filler (small talk). So really, just being more social I suppose.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":161.0,"score_ratio":2.1086956522} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9nry89","c_root_id_B":"f9nu98k","created_at_utc_A":1575489677,"created_at_utc_B":1575490768,"score_A":51,"score_B":66,"human_ref_A":"The pros & cons of small companies vs. large companies.","human_ref_B":"More hands on learning for skilled trades work. Make a course dedicated to piping, simple electrical wiring, tearing apart a small engine and putting it back together, basic wood working, simple machining, etc...all hands on.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1091.0,"score_ratio":1.2941176471} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9nu98k","c_root_id_B":"f9nsqu4","created_at_utc_A":1575490768,"created_at_utc_B":1575490058,"score_A":66,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"More hands on learning for skilled trades work. Make a course dedicated to piping, simple electrical wiring, tearing apart a small engine and putting it back together, basic wood working, simple machining, etc...all hands on.","human_ref_B":"Learning how to convey my ideas and thoughts coherently to other coworkers in conversation. It's a tricky balance between patronizing somebody, or having everything you say go over their head while they give you empty nods. Learning to stop, slow down, and look around at everyone before you speak is helpful. Knowing where everyone's mindset is before continuing on with a discussion helps you convey what actually matters, and cuts down on conversational filler (small talk). So really, just being more social I suppose.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":710.0,"score_ratio":1.4347826087} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9o37z2","c_root_id_B":"f9nxfs7","created_at_utc_A":1575495577,"created_at_utc_B":1575492311,"score_A":26,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"I teach secondary school engineering. 16 years up to 18 or 19. So glad to see the top answers are things I like to focus on. CAD, practical workshop skills, reading drawings etc. One unit that in teach that I feel is underappreciated is health and safety. I teach them what their roles, rights and responsibilities are according to law. (I assume PPE is something covered in younger years). I know it was something I never knew growing up and I was taken advantage of.","human_ref_B":"Management. I'm basically only an engineer for like 15% of my job. Most of it is just construction management. Also, sales.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3266.0,"score_ratio":1.2380952381} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9o37z2","c_root_id_B":"f9nz6jf","created_at_utc_A":1575495577,"created_at_utc_B":1575493283,"score_A":26,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I teach secondary school engineering. 16 years up to 18 or 19. So glad to see the top answers are things I like to focus on. CAD, practical workshop skills, reading drawings etc. One unit that in teach that I feel is underappreciated is health and safety. I teach them what their roles, rights and responsibilities are according to law. (I assume PPE is something covered in younger years). I know it was something I never knew growing up and I was taken advantage of.","human_ref_B":"I was an electrician before I became an engineer. It was definitely a big help","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2294.0,"score_ratio":1.7333333333} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9o37z2","c_root_id_B":"f9nxkk9","created_at_utc_A":1575495577,"created_at_utc_B":1575492387,"score_A":26,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I teach secondary school engineering. 16 years up to 18 or 19. So glad to see the top answers are things I like to focus on. CAD, practical workshop skills, reading drawings etc. One unit that in teach that I feel is underappreciated is health and safety. I teach them what their roles, rights and responsibilities are according to law. (I assume PPE is something covered in younger years). I know it was something I never knew growing up and I was taken advantage of.","human_ref_B":"Bend loss for various basket wire gauges.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3190.0,"score_ratio":2.6} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9o37z2","c_root_id_B":"f9nxwm8","created_at_utc_A":1575495577,"created_at_utc_B":1575492569,"score_A":26,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I teach secondary school engineering. 16 years up to 18 or 19. So glad to see the top answers are things I like to focus on. CAD, practical workshop skills, reading drawings etc. One unit that in teach that I feel is underappreciated is health and safety. I teach them what their roles, rights and responsibilities are according to law. (I assume PPE is something covered in younger years). I know it was something I never knew growing up and I was taken advantage of.","human_ref_B":"Honestly most of the folio stuff that got me into my job were extracurricular. My uni was very much about theory and less hands-on practical. And their CAD teaching was good but somewhat limited. So I\u2019d say I wish they\u2019d made it clear from the get-go that showing your passion and skills by doing your own stuff is important.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3008.0,"score_ratio":2.6} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9nxfs7","c_root_id_B":"f9o65oi","created_at_utc_A":1575492311,"created_at_utc_B":1575497309,"score_A":21,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"Management. I'm basically only an engineer for like 15% of my job. Most of it is just construction management. Also, sales.","human_ref_B":"Righty tighty, lefty loosey.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4998.0,"score_ratio":1.0476190476} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? 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What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9nz6jf","c_root_id_B":"f9odb5r","created_at_utc_A":1575493283,"created_at_utc_B":1575501844,"score_A":15,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"I was an electrician before I became an engineer. It was definitely a big help","human_ref_B":"Honestly just like the proper names for all the random fasteners, switches, and hardware used in design and building automation shit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8561.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? 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So I\u2019d say I wish they\u2019d made it clear from the get-go that showing your passion and skills by doing your own stuff is important.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9275.0,"score_ratio":1.8} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9odb5r","c_root_id_B":"f9o99rk","created_at_utc_A":1575501844,"created_at_utc_B":1575499218,"score_A":18,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Honestly just like the proper names for all the random fasteners, switches, and hardware used in design and building automation shit.","human_ref_B":"I wish my program had more communication classes. I've worked at a few companies and so many root causes can be attributed to a lack of or poor communication between people. I've seen meetings where the purpose was to be collaborative and brainstorming but the way people were talking it was more arguing and confrontational. Also, some form of emotional awareness or introspection. There are so many individuals that have the emotional maturity of a child when people start to disagree with them or things don't go the way they want.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2626.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9oc9ef","c_root_id_B":"f9odb5r","created_at_utc_A":1575501148,"created_at_utc_B":1575501844,"score_A":9,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"Welding Machining and GD&T","human_ref_B":"Honestly just like the proper names for all the random fasteners, switches, and hardware used in design and building automation shit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":696.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9nxkk9","c_root_id_B":"f9nz6jf","created_at_utc_A":1575492387,"created_at_utc_B":1575493283,"score_A":10,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Bend loss for various basket wire gauges.","human_ref_B":"I was an electrician before I became an engineer. It was definitely a big help","labels":0,"seconds_difference":896.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9nz6jf","c_root_id_B":"f9nxwm8","created_at_utc_A":1575493283,"created_at_utc_B":1575492569,"score_A":15,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I was an electrician before I became an engineer. It was definitely a big help","human_ref_B":"Honestly most of the folio stuff that got me into my job were extracurricular. My uni was very much about theory and less hands-on practical. And their CAD teaching was good but somewhat limited. So I\u2019d say I wish they\u2019d made it clear from the get-go that showing your passion and skills by doing your own stuff is important.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":714.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9onyfe","c_root_id_B":"f9oge74","created_at_utc_A":1575509233,"created_at_utc_B":1575503925,"score_A":9,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I started a traditional engineering apprenticeship in a very large (international) organisation, when I was 16 (I\u2019m 50+ now), and I honestly wish that I had been warned that a lot of adults behave terribly. I was consistently amazed at the immaturity, stupidity, selfishness, dishonesty and general nastiness of many of the adults that I worked with (and from whom I was expected to learn). Of course, there were a lot of good people too (really good, kind, generous, great mentors), but I clearly remember the \u2018lightbulb moment\u2019 when I realised that not all adults were like the ones I had grown up around. It was a hell of an eye-opener for which I was unprepared. Props to the guy who used to give me \u00a31.00 to by myself a beer every Friday, because I helped him with his piece work (I\u2019m still convinced that I slowed him down, rather than increasing his output)! He would not take no for an answer, despite the fact that I was paid a fair apprentice wage.","human_ref_B":"I wish I took my differential equation classes seriously. I didn't know that I will become an engineer for complicated stuff and DE would helped me solve problems way way faster.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5308.0,"score_ratio":1.125} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9onyfe","c_root_id_B":"f9oka0n","created_at_utc_A":1575509233,"created_at_utc_B":1575506687,"score_A":9,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I started a traditional engineering apprenticeship in a very large (international) organisation, when I was 16 (I\u2019m 50+ now), and I honestly wish that I had been warned that a lot of adults behave terribly. I was consistently amazed at the immaturity, stupidity, selfishness, dishonesty and general nastiness of many of the adults that I worked with (and from whom I was expected to learn). Of course, there were a lot of good people too (really good, kind, generous, great mentors), but I clearly remember the \u2018lightbulb moment\u2019 when I realised that not all adults were like the ones I had grown up around. It was a hell of an eye-opener for which I was unprepared. Props to the guy who used to give me \u00a31.00 to by myself a beer every Friday, because I helped him with his piece work (I\u2019m still convinced that I slowed him down, rather than increasing his output)! He would not take no for an answer, despite the fact that I was paid a fair apprentice wage.","human_ref_B":"Project management, communication, covering your ass, and dealing with assholes","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2546.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9onyfe","c_root_id_B":"f9oidxl","created_at_utc_A":1575509233,"created_at_utc_B":1575505346,"score_A":9,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I started a traditional engineering apprenticeship in a very large (international) organisation, when I was 16 (I\u2019m 50+ now), and I honestly wish that I had been warned that a lot of adults behave terribly. I was consistently amazed at the immaturity, stupidity, selfishness, dishonesty and general nastiness of many of the adults that I worked with (and from whom I was expected to learn). Of course, there were a lot of good people too (really good, kind, generous, great mentors), but I clearly remember the \u2018lightbulb moment\u2019 when I realised that not all adults were like the ones I had grown up around. It was a hell of an eye-opener for which I was unprepared. Props to the guy who used to give me \u00a31.00 to by myself a beer every Friday, because I helped him with his piece work (I\u2019m still convinced that I slowed him down, rather than increasing his output)! He would not take no for an answer, despite the fact that I was paid a fair apprentice wage.","human_ref_B":"I wish they would've made us buy a Machinists Handbook in school.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3887.0,"score_ratio":1.8} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9oiq5l","c_root_id_B":"f9onyfe","created_at_utc_A":1575505587,"created_at_utc_B":1575509233,"score_A":6,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"nuclear engineer, wish I had more in-depth knowledge of reactor core physics before starting my job. the classes i took revolving that were not very well-taught. would've helped me understand transient phenomena much better","human_ref_B":"I started a traditional engineering apprenticeship in a very large (international) organisation, when I was 16 (I\u2019m 50+ now), and I honestly wish that I had been warned that a lot of adults behave terribly. I was consistently amazed at the immaturity, stupidity, selfishness, dishonesty and general nastiness of many of the adults that I worked with (and from whom I was expected to learn). Of course, there were a lot of good people too (really good, kind, generous, great mentors), but I clearly remember the \u2018lightbulb moment\u2019 when I realised that not all adults were like the ones I had grown up around. It was a hell of an eye-opener for which I was unprepared. Props to the guy who used to give me \u00a31.00 to by myself a beer every Friday, because I helped him with his piece work (I\u2019m still convinced that I slowed him down, rather than increasing his output)! He would not take no for an answer, despite the fact that I was paid a fair apprentice wage.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3646.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9oka0n","c_root_id_B":"f9oidxl","created_at_utc_A":1575506687,"created_at_utc_B":1575505346,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Project management, communication, covering your ass, and dealing with assholes","human_ref_B":"I wish they would've made us buy a Machinists Handbook in school.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1341.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9oka0n","c_root_id_B":"f9oiq5l","created_at_utc_A":1575506687,"created_at_utc_B":1575505587,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Project management, communication, covering your ass, and dealing with assholes","human_ref_B":"nuclear engineer, wish I had more in-depth knowledge of reactor core physics before starting my job. the classes i took revolving that were not very well-taught. would've helped me understand transient phenomena much better","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1100.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9oiq5l","c_root_id_B":"f9oidxl","created_at_utc_A":1575505587,"created_at_utc_B":1575505346,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"nuclear engineer, wish I had more in-depth knowledge of reactor core physics before starting my job. the classes i took revolving that were not very well-taught. would've helped me understand transient phenomena much better","human_ref_B":"I wish they would've made us buy a Machinists Handbook in school.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":241.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9oidxl","c_root_id_B":"f9oqacg","created_at_utc_A":1575505346,"created_at_utc_B":1575510818,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I wish they would've made us buy a Machinists Handbook in school.","human_ref_B":"Other than next week's lottery numbers, unless you have a specific position in mind, I wouldn't worry about trying to learn things ahead of time. We wish we could know everything beforehand but that's not how it works. It's more trial by fire. You learn when you do. Trying to learn everything ahead of time speaks to a fear of the unknown. Best advice before a job is to take a vacation and enjoy your freedom while it lasts. Now, if you have a specific position in mind, that's narrow enough to focus on and you could get some good tips. But otherwise, I suggest to learn as you go seek to pursue continuous improvement throughout your career and life.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5472.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"e64gdo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What is some practical experience\/knowledge you wish you had before starting your job? What is some practical engineering knowledge that you had to teach yourself that you wish your university taught when starting your career?","c_root_id_A":"f9oidxl","c_root_id_B":"f9p0nc0","created_at_utc_A":1575505346,"created_at_utc_B":1575518368,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I wish they would've made us buy a Machinists Handbook in school.","human_ref_B":"Three things: 1. Shit takes a while. A lot of college assignments are due in like a week, and a lot of the time that's just to balance all the other things you have to do and they actually are only a few working hours. In real jobs, reports\/drawings\/whatever often take a few weeks to get put together and approved, and you often feel like you're failing because it's \"taking so long\". That's just how long things take. Or sometimes it takes you a couple weeks to get a drawing right when a senior engineer could have done it in a day. Thing is, when they started, they took weeks too, and only now take a day because of all the practice they've had. Head down, get your shit done. 2. You will fuck up. Your success isn't as much measured by how many things go right (I mean, that's nice, too) but usually more about how you recover when shit goes wrong. If you spent weeks writing a test protocol\/method, you run it, and the results are WILDLY different from what you expected and put your project behind, you'll be judged on how you are able to inspect the data, figure out what you had wrong, adapt, and fix it. Feeling crappy for yourself and being all bummed about how your test failed isn't going to help. Find out why it failed and make sure next time it doesn't. 3. Time is way more valuable than money (usually). Say you're working on a project and a set of prototypes is going to cost you $10,000. DAMN! you think. That's a lot of money! I'm a newbie and I've only had a few weeks to work on this...if I spend $10k and it turns out I had something wrong, everyone will be pissed! I better spend another couple weeks making sure it's perfect. If there's a ton of lag time in the project....yeah, maybe. But if you're ANYWHERE NEAR the critical path, spend the damn money. I bet there's 100k+ in the prototype budget, maybe even that much per couple months. When the executives fly to Asia or Europe, their first class tickets cost at least that much...EACH. When the product launches, each day will bring in 50k. So every single day you delay the project, you're wasting\/\"spending\" 50k. And if you spend those extra weeks trying to get it perfect, then you order and wait for the lead time, and it turns out it WASN'T perfect...now you're weeks late and you're STILL FUCKED. I'd rather be fucked after having tried a second iteration and having learned more than having to tell an exec \"yeah, I could have ordered it weeks ago and known my design wasn't good enough, but I didn't want to spend the money\" \"Oh, how much was it?\" \"10k\" \"HOLY SHIT what is wrong with you? I wiped my ass with that much money just this morning\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13022.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"3i2xkx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Project Managers of Reddit! I have a couple of questions about how one effectively motivates a team... PREFACE: Increasingly, we are seeing research suggesting that the more effective approaches to team management rely on soft skills such as being a good motivator. This means that team members ultimately want to achieve to the best of their abilities and see project success, rather than simply doing it because they are being paid to. 1.\tWhat steps do you as a leader take to not only embed intrinsic motivation in a team member\/team, but successfully maintain that enthusiasm throughout the life of a project? 2.\tHow do you keep the ball rolling when facing large\/near impossible hurdles and possible failures? 3.\tWhat do you think is the biggest killer of motivation? How do we avoid it? Doesn't have to be a long reply, but I'd love your thoughts on the area.","c_root_id_A":"cuctn7m","c_root_id_B":"cuctqe8","created_at_utc_A":1440340702,"created_at_utc_B":1440340901,"score_A":10,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"Hello I just made the change from a test engineer to a pm and I'll try to answer the questions as best as I can 1. Positive feedback. Thank everyone in the team for helping out. I think this is really important to keep the mind set that engineers are the ones doing the work and I'm more of a secretary of the project 2. Break the large project into smaller tasks. Create a schedule, that is complete bs, and try to get tasks done on time. Look to see which tasks are most important or have huge lead times that can delay the project and focus on making sure they are done. My go to strategy is using a risk matrix 3. So far for me it has been terrible communication. When I can't get a straight answer what needs to be done and I have a schedule to meet, I already know whatever the engineer gets done will be incorrect someway anf will need to be reworked. However this idea of being wrong sucks the motivation out of engineers.","human_ref_B":"People seek autonomy, mastery and purpose. Provide those elements and people will motivate themselves. Check out this Ted talk -> http:\/\/www.ted.com\/talks\/dan_pink_on_motivation?language=en","labels":0,"seconds_difference":199.0,"score_ratio":2.3} +{"post_id":"3i2xkx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Project Managers of Reddit! I have a couple of questions about how one effectively motivates a team... PREFACE: Increasingly, we are seeing research suggesting that the more effective approaches to team management rely on soft skills such as being a good motivator. This means that team members ultimately want to achieve to the best of their abilities and see project success, rather than simply doing it because they are being paid to. 1.\tWhat steps do you as a leader take to not only embed intrinsic motivation in a team member\/team, but successfully maintain that enthusiasm throughout the life of a project? 2.\tHow do you keep the ball rolling when facing large\/near impossible hurdles and possible failures? 3.\tWhat do you think is the biggest killer of motivation? How do we avoid it? Doesn't have to be a long reply, but I'd love your thoughts on the area.","c_root_id_A":"cucyz0l","c_root_id_B":"cucyrkx","created_at_utc_A":1440351248,"created_at_utc_B":1440350874,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"One small point - if people on the team are complaining about some small irksome ongoing thing that you have some power to ameliorate, then you should immediately start working on it, and tell them you are working on it, and get it improved. Don't let little things fester because you are too busy with the \"big stuff\" - everyone knows you can't really fix the big stuff anyway.","human_ref_B":"Not a leader, just a regular engineer. I recommend the book *\"The Soul of a New Machine\"* by Tracy Kidder, which answers your question in some detail (you'll have to read between the lines a bit). I've found the book very helpful in understanding how technical development teams work. 1. Establish a rapport with anyone that works under you. You don't have to be their friend, in fact you don't even have to be nice \u2014 but you MUST have their respect. Establish respect by showing that you're there to help them get the job done by any means necessary. Some managers are the guy you have a beer with at the end of the project, while other managers are the drill sergeants. It's healthy to have both types in any given project with tight deadlines and\/or big budgets. 2. Get people to understand that there's more to work than money. If you give them a certain level of creativity and autonomy, and hence a certain level of trust (that they'll finish the job right and on time), they'll feel personally responsible and have a sense of ownership. Micromanagement is a double-edged sword, but give guidance when necessary. The act of getting people to do the work necessary to complete the job, no matter what it takes \u2014 including working extra hours without increased compensation \u2014 is described in the book as \"signing up\" \u2014 there's no formal written or verbal agreement, it's simply having the responsible person say, \"Yeah, I'll do that.\" There are a few other nuances as well: * There should be an understanding (or at least a strong implication) that those who \"sign up\" get rewarded at the project's end. * \"Not everything worth doing is worth doing well\", and as a corollary, \"If it works, ship it.\" If you have hard deadlines then compromises need to be made in terms of how 'perfect' the solutions are. Perfectionist tendencies are what cause delays and drive up costs. Inexperienced engineers often perpetrate these perfect solutions even when they aren't necessary to complete the project or task at hand. 3. The biggest is probably burnout. Everyone can and should work some amount of overtime, but some people need more rest than others. Sometimes these people force themselves to work even though they aren't being effective and end up making bad decisions. Learn to recognize this and tell people to go home when necessary. The second biggest is probably bad communication. It's good to have arguments, but at the end of the day, the best technical solution should win the argument... not the guy who talked the loudest\/most often at the meetings. Make sure to listen to ALL of your team members \u2014 especially the quiet, introverted ones. Force everyone to work together and leave emotion at the door. Learn to appreciate outside perspectives and the fact that you can and will be wrong some of the time. Good technical solutions should stand on its own two legs and belong to no one (but take note of who your MVP's are).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":374.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"t9icng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Advice on a Job Offer So I just received a job offer for a company doing working with the sales team to identify and develop energy upgrades for commercial and industrial facilities. The job description hit almost everything I am looking for in this position, Working with senior management and sales team, developing\/designing\/pricing solutions, and utilizing my full set of skills. I saw this job in a random indeed email and told my SO that I am going to get that job and. 6 weeks later I was In front of the CEO at their headquarters. The interview process has been long including (4) hour+ video interviews, the CTO flying out to meet me for lunch in my town, taking a day of PTO to fly to their home office (for a fully remote position) to interview with 6 other people. I was also given data to analyze from a current project and was asked to evaluate and provide a solution which was discussed in person with the team I would be on. At the end of the day long interview, I was told by my 2 future managers that they wanted me to put together a customer ready presentation about the solution discussed earlier in the day. This was never discussed previously, and was told they they were hoping to make an offer while I was there. Reluctantly, I had come this far it wouldn't take long to put that together. The position which states 25% travel and had a tight salary band at a level below what my skills warranted, I made this clear during the process. now the job posting did state quarterly bonuses, but this is not in the offer letter. When given the job offer they bragged about going to the CEO for $5000 more per year. IMO I have no idea why a CEO would have to sign off on such a small number. Also the firm stated they don't do signing bonus and 3 weeks is the max PTO ( I have 4 currently). I have been very flexible in making this happen and feel like I am not getting that in return. Other issues I have is my manager would be a first time manager which is obviously a huge thing in any position. We have had multiple phone calls where he has wanted me to agree on a salary, ect before being provided all information, I don't do this. ​ TL:DR Stumbled upon a position I knew I'm a great fit for, applied and got the job. After the interview process and offer I am not excited.","c_root_id_A":"hzufwty","c_root_id_B":"hzul15f","created_at_utc_A":1646752528,"created_at_utc_B":1646754657,"score_A":13,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like a weak offer and you\u2019re better off staying put. What\u2019s the issue?","human_ref_B":"If it's this hard to get what you want while they're trying to recruit you, imagine trying to get something when you're employed there. Building a customer focused presentation and not being paid for it, hard pass from me. I'm surprised they'd even ask for that. I'm pretty sure you know the answer, but this doesn't sound like a good place to work. I'd move along unless you're really dead set on this particular position. First time managers can be good or bad, depends on company. I wouldn't worry about that so much. Every good manager was a first time manager at some point.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2129.0,"score_ratio":2.1538461538} +{"post_id":"t9icng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Advice on a Job Offer So I just received a job offer for a company doing working with the sales team to identify and develop energy upgrades for commercial and industrial facilities. The job description hit almost everything I am looking for in this position, Working with senior management and sales team, developing\/designing\/pricing solutions, and utilizing my full set of skills. I saw this job in a random indeed email and told my SO that I am going to get that job and. 6 weeks later I was In front of the CEO at their headquarters. The interview process has been long including (4) hour+ video interviews, the CTO flying out to meet me for lunch in my town, taking a day of PTO to fly to their home office (for a fully remote position) to interview with 6 other people. I was also given data to analyze from a current project and was asked to evaluate and provide a solution which was discussed in person with the team I would be on. At the end of the day long interview, I was told by my 2 future managers that they wanted me to put together a customer ready presentation about the solution discussed earlier in the day. This was never discussed previously, and was told they they were hoping to make an offer while I was there. Reluctantly, I had come this far it wouldn't take long to put that together. The position which states 25% travel and had a tight salary band at a level below what my skills warranted, I made this clear during the process. now the job posting did state quarterly bonuses, but this is not in the offer letter. When given the job offer they bragged about going to the CEO for $5000 more per year. IMO I have no idea why a CEO would have to sign off on such a small number. Also the firm stated they don't do signing bonus and 3 weeks is the max PTO ( I have 4 currently). I have been very flexible in making this happen and feel like I am not getting that in return. Other issues I have is my manager would be a first time manager which is obviously a huge thing in any position. We have had multiple phone calls where he has wanted me to agree on a salary, ect before being provided all information, I don't do this. ​ TL:DR Stumbled upon a position I knew I'm a great fit for, applied and got the job. After the interview process and offer I am not excited.","c_root_id_A":"hzul15f","c_root_id_B":"hzujr2z","created_at_utc_A":1646754657,"created_at_utc_B":1646754145,"score_A":28,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"If it's this hard to get what you want while they're trying to recruit you, imagine trying to get something when you're employed there. Building a customer focused presentation and not being paid for it, hard pass from me. I'm surprised they'd even ask for that. I'm pretty sure you know the answer, but this doesn't sound like a good place to work. I'd move along unless you're really dead set on this particular position. First time managers can be good or bad, depends on company. I wouldn't worry about that so much. Every good manager was a first time manager at some point.","human_ref_B":"That's a lot of red flags you laid out... why do you need advice? Sometimes jobs sound exciting but they actually suck. It's a lot of interview time down the drain, but that's how it goes. It's always better to listen to your conscience than spend years regretting your decision.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":512.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"t9icng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Advice on a Job Offer So I just received a job offer for a company doing working with the sales team to identify and develop energy upgrades for commercial and industrial facilities. The job description hit almost everything I am looking for in this position, Working with senior management and sales team, developing\/designing\/pricing solutions, and utilizing my full set of skills. I saw this job in a random indeed email and told my SO that I am going to get that job and. 6 weeks later I was In front of the CEO at their headquarters. The interview process has been long including (4) hour+ video interviews, the CTO flying out to meet me for lunch in my town, taking a day of PTO to fly to their home office (for a fully remote position) to interview with 6 other people. I was also given data to analyze from a current project and was asked to evaluate and provide a solution which was discussed in person with the team I would be on. At the end of the day long interview, I was told by my 2 future managers that they wanted me to put together a customer ready presentation about the solution discussed earlier in the day. This was never discussed previously, and was told they they were hoping to make an offer while I was there. Reluctantly, I had come this far it wouldn't take long to put that together. The position which states 25% travel and had a tight salary band at a level below what my skills warranted, I made this clear during the process. now the job posting did state quarterly bonuses, but this is not in the offer letter. When given the job offer they bragged about going to the CEO for $5000 more per year. IMO I have no idea why a CEO would have to sign off on such a small number. Also the firm stated they don't do signing bonus and 3 weeks is the max PTO ( I have 4 currently). I have been very flexible in making this happen and feel like I am not getting that in return. Other issues I have is my manager would be a first time manager which is obviously a huge thing in any position. We have had multiple phone calls where he has wanted me to agree on a salary, ect before being provided all information, I don't do this. ​ TL:DR Stumbled upon a position I knew I'm a great fit for, applied and got the job. After the interview process and offer I am not excited.","c_root_id_A":"hzukikr","c_root_id_B":"hzul15f","created_at_utc_A":1646754450,"created_at_utc_B":1646754657,"score_A":3,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"Sounds odd. I would pass.","human_ref_B":"If it's this hard to get what you want while they're trying to recruit you, imagine trying to get something when you're employed there. Building a customer focused presentation and not being paid for it, hard pass from me. I'm surprised they'd even ask for that. I'm pretty sure you know the answer, but this doesn't sound like a good place to work. I'd move along unless you're really dead set on this particular position. First time managers can be good or bad, depends on company. I wouldn't worry about that so much. Every good manager was a first time manager at some point.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":207.0,"score_ratio":9.3333333333} +{"post_id":"t9icng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Advice on a Job Offer So I just received a job offer for a company doing working with the sales team to identify and develop energy upgrades for commercial and industrial facilities. The job description hit almost everything I am looking for in this position, Working with senior management and sales team, developing\/designing\/pricing solutions, and utilizing my full set of skills. I saw this job in a random indeed email and told my SO that I am going to get that job and. 6 weeks later I was In front of the CEO at their headquarters. The interview process has been long including (4) hour+ video interviews, the CTO flying out to meet me for lunch in my town, taking a day of PTO to fly to their home office (for a fully remote position) to interview with 6 other people. I was also given data to analyze from a current project and was asked to evaluate and provide a solution which was discussed in person with the team I would be on. At the end of the day long interview, I was told by my 2 future managers that they wanted me to put together a customer ready presentation about the solution discussed earlier in the day. This was never discussed previously, and was told they they were hoping to make an offer while I was there. Reluctantly, I had come this far it wouldn't take long to put that together. The position which states 25% travel and had a tight salary band at a level below what my skills warranted, I made this clear during the process. now the job posting did state quarterly bonuses, but this is not in the offer letter. When given the job offer they bragged about going to the CEO for $5000 more per year. IMO I have no idea why a CEO would have to sign off on such a small number. Also the firm stated they don't do signing bonus and 3 weeks is the max PTO ( I have 4 currently). I have been very flexible in making this happen and feel like I am not getting that in return. Other issues I have is my manager would be a first time manager which is obviously a huge thing in any position. We have had multiple phone calls where he has wanted me to agree on a salary, ect before being provided all information, I don't do this. ​ TL:DR Stumbled upon a position I knew I'm a great fit for, applied and got the job. After the interview process and offer I am not excited.","c_root_id_A":"hzvjj51","c_root_id_B":"hzukikr","created_at_utc_A":1646767434,"created_at_utc_B":1646754450,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If they are making you work for them for free to \"test your skills\", then you're just working for them for free. You have shown yourself qualified, so you are supposed to set the salary you're willing to take to move to a new company and offer your services and experience. You have a great job already, it sounds like. There's no pressure other than the fact you put all that work into the job process only to not accept it in the end.","human_ref_B":"Sounds odd. I would pass.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12984.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"t9icng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Advice on a Job Offer So I just received a job offer for a company doing working with the sales team to identify and develop energy upgrades for commercial and industrial facilities. The job description hit almost everything I am looking for in this position, Working with senior management and sales team, developing\/designing\/pricing solutions, and utilizing my full set of skills. I saw this job in a random indeed email and told my SO that I am going to get that job and. 6 weeks later I was In front of the CEO at their headquarters. The interview process has been long including (4) hour+ video interviews, the CTO flying out to meet me for lunch in my town, taking a day of PTO to fly to their home office (for a fully remote position) to interview with 6 other people. I was also given data to analyze from a current project and was asked to evaluate and provide a solution which was discussed in person with the team I would be on. At the end of the day long interview, I was told by my 2 future managers that they wanted me to put together a customer ready presentation about the solution discussed earlier in the day. This was never discussed previously, and was told they they were hoping to make an offer while I was there. Reluctantly, I had come this far it wouldn't take long to put that together. The position which states 25% travel and had a tight salary band at a level below what my skills warranted, I made this clear during the process. now the job posting did state quarterly bonuses, but this is not in the offer letter. When given the job offer they bragged about going to the CEO for $5000 more per year. IMO I have no idea why a CEO would have to sign off on such a small number. Also the firm stated they don't do signing bonus and 3 weeks is the max PTO ( I have 4 currently). I have been very flexible in making this happen and feel like I am not getting that in return. Other issues I have is my manager would be a first time manager which is obviously a huge thing in any position. We have had multiple phone calls where he has wanted me to agree on a salary, ect before being provided all information, I don't do this. ​ TL:DR Stumbled upon a position I knew I'm a great fit for, applied and got the job. After the interview process and offer I am not excited.","c_root_id_A":"hzvjj51","c_root_id_B":"hzv7tn1","created_at_utc_A":1646767434,"created_at_utc_B":1646763175,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If they are making you work for them for free to \"test your skills\", then you're just working for them for free. You have shown yourself qualified, so you are supposed to set the salary you're willing to take to move to a new company and offer your services and experience. You have a great job already, it sounds like. There's no pressure other than the fact you put all that work into the job process only to not accept it in the end.","human_ref_B":"You should research and interview with their competition.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4259.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"t9icng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Advice on a Job Offer So I just received a job offer for a company doing working with the sales team to identify and develop energy upgrades for commercial and industrial facilities. The job description hit almost everything I am looking for in this position, Working with senior management and sales team, developing\/designing\/pricing solutions, and utilizing my full set of skills. I saw this job in a random indeed email and told my SO that I am going to get that job and. 6 weeks later I was In front of the CEO at their headquarters. The interview process has been long including (4) hour+ video interviews, the CTO flying out to meet me for lunch in my town, taking a day of PTO to fly to their home office (for a fully remote position) to interview with 6 other people. I was also given data to analyze from a current project and was asked to evaluate and provide a solution which was discussed in person with the team I would be on. At the end of the day long interview, I was told by my 2 future managers that they wanted me to put together a customer ready presentation about the solution discussed earlier in the day. This was never discussed previously, and was told they they were hoping to make an offer while I was there. Reluctantly, I had come this far it wouldn't take long to put that together. The position which states 25% travel and had a tight salary band at a level below what my skills warranted, I made this clear during the process. now the job posting did state quarterly bonuses, but this is not in the offer letter. When given the job offer they bragged about going to the CEO for $5000 more per year. IMO I have no idea why a CEO would have to sign off on such a small number. Also the firm stated they don't do signing bonus and 3 weeks is the max PTO ( I have 4 currently). I have been very flexible in making this happen and feel like I am not getting that in return. Other issues I have is my manager would be a first time manager which is obviously a huge thing in any position. We have had multiple phone calls where he has wanted me to agree on a salary, ect before being provided all information, I don't do this. ​ TL:DR Stumbled upon a position I knew I'm a great fit for, applied and got the job. After the interview process and offer I am not excited.","c_root_id_A":"hzvjj51","c_root_id_B":"hzuzmwi","created_at_utc_A":1646767434,"created_at_utc_B":1646760150,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If they are making you work for them for free to \"test your skills\", then you're just working for them for free. You have shown yourself qualified, so you are supposed to set the salary you're willing to take to move to a new company and offer your services and experience. You have a great job already, it sounds like. There's no pressure other than the fact you put all that work into the job process only to not accept it in the end.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like you already know that this is a bad idea and just needed to get your thoughts out there. If you're on the fence, don't make a move. I wish you well. Edit: you'll know that you made the right choice when you decline and they are jerks about it. This has happened to me and it is a type of closure.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7284.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"t9icng","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Advice on a Job Offer So I just received a job offer for a company doing working with the sales team to identify and develop energy upgrades for commercial and industrial facilities. The job description hit almost everything I am looking for in this position, Working with senior management and sales team, developing\/designing\/pricing solutions, and utilizing my full set of skills. I saw this job in a random indeed email and told my SO that I am going to get that job and. 6 weeks later I was In front of the CEO at their headquarters. The interview process has been long including (4) hour+ video interviews, the CTO flying out to meet me for lunch in my town, taking a day of PTO to fly to their home office (for a fully remote position) to interview with 6 other people. I was also given data to analyze from a current project and was asked to evaluate and provide a solution which was discussed in person with the team I would be on. At the end of the day long interview, I was told by my 2 future managers that they wanted me to put together a customer ready presentation about the solution discussed earlier in the day. This was never discussed previously, and was told they they were hoping to make an offer while I was there. Reluctantly, I had come this far it wouldn't take long to put that together. The position which states 25% travel and had a tight salary band at a level below what my skills warranted, I made this clear during the process. now the job posting did state quarterly bonuses, but this is not in the offer letter. When given the job offer they bragged about going to the CEO for $5000 more per year. IMO I have no idea why a CEO would have to sign off on such a small number. Also the firm stated they don't do signing bonus and 3 weeks is the max PTO ( I have 4 currently). I have been very flexible in making this happen and feel like I am not getting that in return. Other issues I have is my manager would be a first time manager which is obviously a huge thing in any position. We have had multiple phone calls where he has wanted me to agree on a salary, ect before being provided all information, I don't do this. ​ TL:DR Stumbled upon a position I knew I'm a great fit for, applied and got the job. After the interview process and offer I am not excited.","c_root_id_A":"hzv7tn1","c_root_id_B":"hzuzmwi","created_at_utc_A":1646763175,"created_at_utc_B":1646760150,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You should research and interview with their competition.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like you already know that this is a bad idea and just needed to get your thoughts out there. If you're on the fence, don't make a move. I wish you well. Edit: you'll know that you made the right choice when you decline and they are jerks about it. This has happened to me and it is a type of closure.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3025.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7cy1os","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is it appropriate for engineers to seek correspondence with university professors to help solve work related problems? I have tasks that require extensive knowledge beyond my years, and the senior engineering staff either can't, or won't, help. Is it appropriate for me to seek correspondence with university professors for assistance? (My professors knew a lot and were passionate, whereas my senior engineering colleagues never teach me anything, nor care to learn themselves).","c_root_id_A":"dptihh0","c_root_id_B":"dptj3xw","created_at_utc_A":1510688110,"created_at_utc_B":1510688708,"score_A":37,"score_B":79,"human_ref_A":"If you recently graduated and were on good terms with the professor\/s then I would say maybe a really difficult problem they might be willing to offer some help. But it's really on you to judge the relationship. I would say you might run into some trouble with like legality maybe if it's a sensitive project or something along those lines.","human_ref_B":"Yes but don't expect anything longer than a few paragraphs unless they are genuinely interested. But if they have a professional services agreement (PSA) with your company, they will be more than willing to help.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":598.0,"score_ratio":2.1351351351} +{"post_id":"7cy1os","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is it appropriate for engineers to seek correspondence with university professors to help solve work related problems? I have tasks that require extensive knowledge beyond my years, and the senior engineering staff either can't, or won't, help. Is it appropriate for me to seek correspondence with university professors for assistance? (My professors knew a lot and were passionate, whereas my senior engineering colleagues never teach me anything, nor care to learn themselves).","c_root_id_A":"dptkez5","c_root_id_B":"dpubtav","created_at_utc_A":1510689947,"created_at_utc_B":1510719075,"score_A":39,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"Stanford University limits the amount of hours per month that professors are allowed to work as outside consultants. Since the demand for consulting is high and the supply is limited, the price per hour of consulting time has risen to astronomical heights: $500\/hour and more. Other universities in other locations may have different rules and different prices.","human_ref_B":"You sound like you might be a junior engineer without a lot of experience. You're asking the wrong question here - you should be asking how you can foster a working relationship with your senior engineers. You might be able to convince an old professor to help you for an email or two but that isn't a viable long term solution. If you need technical help you should talk to your boss about what you can do to be more effective in looking for it. A big part of engineering is dealing effectively with your co-workers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29128.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"7cy1os","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is it appropriate for engineers to seek correspondence with university professors to help solve work related problems? I have tasks that require extensive knowledge beyond my years, and the senior engineering staff either can't, or won't, help. Is it appropriate for me to seek correspondence with university professors for assistance? (My professors knew a lot and were passionate, whereas my senior engineering colleagues never teach me anything, nor care to learn themselves).","c_root_id_A":"dptihh0","c_root_id_B":"dpubtav","created_at_utc_A":1510688110,"created_at_utc_B":1510719075,"score_A":37,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"If you recently graduated and were on good terms with the professor\/s then I would say maybe a really difficult problem they might be willing to offer some help. But it's really on you to judge the relationship. I would say you might run into some trouble with like legality maybe if it's a sensitive project or something along those lines.","human_ref_B":"You sound like you might be a junior engineer without a lot of experience. You're asking the wrong question here - you should be asking how you can foster a working relationship with your senior engineers. You might be able to convince an old professor to help you for an email or two but that isn't a viable long term solution. If you need technical help you should talk to your boss about what you can do to be more effective in looking for it. A big part of engineering is dealing effectively with your co-workers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30965.0,"score_ratio":1.4054054054} +{"post_id":"7cy1os","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is it appropriate for engineers to seek correspondence with university professors to help solve work related problems? I have tasks that require extensive knowledge beyond my years, and the senior engineering staff either can't, or won't, help. Is it appropriate for me to seek correspondence with university professors for assistance? (My professors knew a lot and were passionate, whereas my senior engineering colleagues never teach me anything, nor care to learn themselves).","c_root_id_A":"dpubtav","c_root_id_B":"dptm6x5","created_at_utc_A":1510719075,"created_at_utc_B":1510691629,"score_A":52,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"You sound like you might be a junior engineer without a lot of experience. You're asking the wrong question here - you should be asking how you can foster a working relationship with your senior engineers. You might be able to convince an old professor to help you for an email or two but that isn't a viable long term solution. If you need technical help you should talk to your boss about what you can do to be more effective in looking for it. A big part of engineering is dealing effectively with your co-workers.","human_ref_B":"If you're asking for high level answers, sure it's up to the professor to answer your emails. Otherwise you'll likely have to hire them as a consultant","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27446.0,"score_ratio":4.7272727273} +{"post_id":"7cy1os","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is it appropriate for engineers to seek correspondence with university professors to help solve work related problems? I have tasks that require extensive knowledge beyond my years, and the senior engineering staff either can't, or won't, help. Is it appropriate for me to seek correspondence with university professors for assistance? (My professors knew a lot and were passionate, whereas my senior engineering colleagues never teach me anything, nor care to learn themselves).","c_root_id_A":"dptrv1m","c_root_id_B":"dpubtav","created_at_utc_A":1510696977,"created_at_utc_B":1510719075,"score_A":9,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"It seems to depend on the prof and the university. On the one hand they are busy guys. On the other these are people who spent ten, fifteen years of their life working on something and nobody they talk to outside work thinks it's cool. I'm in NJ and I've had a couple great discussions with Rutgers profs. Of course I've usually got an impractical idea that is very unlikely to work and I haven't disproven it yet using my own resources. So, something entertaining and different.","human_ref_B":"You sound like you might be a junior engineer without a lot of experience. You're asking the wrong question here - you should be asking how you can foster a working relationship with your senior engineers. You might be able to convince an old professor to help you for an email or two but that isn't a viable long term solution. If you need technical help you should talk to your boss about what you can do to be more effective in looking for it. A big part of engineering is dealing effectively with your co-workers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22098.0,"score_ratio":5.7777777778} +{"post_id":"7cy1os","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is it appropriate for engineers to seek correspondence with university professors to help solve work related problems? I have tasks that require extensive knowledge beyond my years, and the senior engineering staff either can't, or won't, help. Is it appropriate for me to seek correspondence with university professors for assistance? (My professors knew a lot and were passionate, whereas my senior engineering colleagues never teach me anything, nor care to learn themselves).","c_root_id_A":"dptssm5","c_root_id_B":"dpubtav","created_at_utc_A":1510697909,"created_at_utc_B":1510719075,"score_A":7,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"My company does this all the time. The professors will probably expect payment and you might need to get some NDAs in place. Get management involved.","human_ref_B":"You sound like you might be a junior engineer without a lot of experience. You're asking the wrong question here - you should be asking how you can foster a working relationship with your senior engineers. You might be able to convince an old professor to help you for an email or two but that isn't a viable long term solution. If you need technical help you should talk to your boss about what you can do to be more effective in looking for it. A big part of engineering is dealing effectively with your co-workers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21166.0,"score_ratio":7.4285714286} +{"post_id":"7cy1os","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is it appropriate for engineers to seek correspondence with university professors to help solve work related problems? I have tasks that require extensive knowledge beyond my years, and the senior engineering staff either can't, or won't, help. Is it appropriate for me to seek correspondence with university professors for assistance? (My professors knew a lot and were passionate, whereas my senior engineering colleagues never teach me anything, nor care to learn themselves).","c_root_id_A":"dpubtav","c_root_id_B":"dptmb46","created_at_utc_A":1510719075,"created_at_utc_B":1510691740,"score_A":52,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"You sound like you might be a junior engineer without a lot of experience. You're asking the wrong question here - you should be asking how you can foster a working relationship with your senior engineers. You might be able to convince an old professor to help you for an email or two but that isn't a viable long term solution. If you need technical help you should talk to your boss about what you can do to be more effective in looking for it. A big part of engineering is dealing effectively with your co-workers.","human_ref_B":"I needed some help calibrating a radiation detector with a high level source. The local university nuclear lab was happy to help at no charge. I hope you can do as well.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27335.0,"score_ratio":8.6666666667} +{"post_id":"7cy1os","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is it appropriate for engineers to seek correspondence with university professors to help solve work related problems? I have tasks that require extensive knowledge beyond my years, and the senior engineering staff either can't, or won't, help. Is it appropriate for me to seek correspondence with university professors for assistance? (My professors knew a lot and were passionate, whereas my senior engineering colleagues never teach me anything, nor care to learn themselves).","c_root_id_A":"dpubtav","c_root_id_B":"dpu1343","created_at_utc_A":1510719075,"created_at_utc_B":1510707019,"score_A":52,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You sound like you might be a junior engineer without a lot of experience. You're asking the wrong question here - you should be asking how you can foster a working relationship with your senior engineers. You might be able to convince an old professor to help you for an email or two but that isn't a viable long term solution. If you need technical help you should talk to your boss about what you can do to be more effective in looking for it. A big part of engineering is dealing effectively with your co-workers.","human_ref_B":"If you are a recent grad who did well in their class and you don't expect too long of a response, they'll probably love to hear that you are working on material they covered.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12056.0,"score_ratio":13.0} +{"post_id":"7cy1os","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is it appropriate for engineers to seek correspondence with university professors to help solve work related problems? I have tasks that require extensive knowledge beyond my years, and the senior engineering staff either can't, or won't, help. Is it appropriate for me to seek correspondence with university professors for assistance? (My professors knew a lot and were passionate, whereas my senior engineering colleagues never teach me anything, nor care to learn themselves).","c_root_id_A":"dpu6jgr","c_root_id_B":"dpubtav","created_at_utc_A":1510713135,"created_at_utc_B":1510719075,"score_A":4,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"Make sure you aren\u2019t NDAd","human_ref_B":"You sound like you might be a junior engineer without a lot of experience. You're asking the wrong question here - you should be asking how you can foster a working relationship with your senior engineers. You might be able to convince an old professor to help you for an email or two but that isn't a viable long term solution. If you need technical help you should talk to your boss about what you can do to be more effective in looking for it. A big part of engineering is dealing effectively with your co-workers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5940.0,"score_ratio":13.0} +{"post_id":"7cy1os","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is it appropriate for engineers to seek correspondence with university professors to help solve work related problems? I have tasks that require extensive knowledge beyond my years, and the senior engineering staff either can't, or won't, help. Is it appropriate for me to seek correspondence with university professors for assistance? (My professors knew a lot and were passionate, whereas my senior engineering colleagues never teach me anything, nor care to learn themselves).","c_root_id_A":"dptjakv","c_root_id_B":"dptihh0","created_at_utc_A":1510688886,"created_at_utc_B":1510688110,"score_A":55,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve asked for opinions\/clarification on points raised in papers they have written or their research when they are relevant to a project I\u2019m working on a few times. But more in the way of knowledge so I can design better. Solve my problems, no. I\u2019ve found that if you ask intelligent questions related to their speciality, they will be glad to answer. That\u2019s the whole point of their research after all.","human_ref_B":"If you recently graduated and were on good terms with the professor\/s then I would say maybe a really difficult problem they might be willing to offer some help. But it's really on you to judge the relationship. I would say you might run into some trouble with like legality maybe if it's a sensitive project or something along those lines.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":776.0,"score_ratio":1.4864864865} +{"post_id":"7cy1os","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is it appropriate for engineers to seek correspondence with university professors to help solve work related problems? I have tasks that require extensive knowledge beyond my years, and the senior engineering staff either can't, or won't, help. Is it appropriate for me to seek correspondence with university professors for assistance? (My professors knew a lot and were passionate, whereas my senior engineering colleagues never teach me anything, nor care to learn themselves).","c_root_id_A":"dptihh0","c_root_id_B":"dptkez5","created_at_utc_A":1510688110,"created_at_utc_B":1510689947,"score_A":37,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"If you recently graduated and were on good terms with the professor\/s then I would say maybe a really difficult problem they might be willing to offer some help. But it's really on you to judge the relationship. I would say you might run into some trouble with like legality maybe if it's a sensitive project or something along those lines.","human_ref_B":"Stanford University limits the amount of hours per month that professors are allowed to work as outside consultants. Since the demand for consulting is high and the supply is limited, the price per hour of consulting time has risen to astronomical heights: $500\/hour and more. Other universities in other locations may have different rules and different prices.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1837.0,"score_ratio":1.0540540541} +{"post_id":"7cy1os","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is it appropriate for engineers to seek correspondence with university professors to help solve work related problems? I have tasks that require extensive knowledge beyond my years, and the senior engineering staff either can't, or won't, help. Is it appropriate for me to seek correspondence with university professors for assistance? (My professors knew a lot and were passionate, whereas my senior engineering colleagues never teach me anything, nor care to learn themselves).","c_root_id_A":"dptmb46","c_root_id_B":"dptrv1m","created_at_utc_A":1510691740,"created_at_utc_B":1510696977,"score_A":6,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I needed some help calibrating a radiation detector with a high level source. The local university nuclear lab was happy to help at no charge. I hope you can do as well.","human_ref_B":"It seems to depend on the prof and the university. On the one hand they are busy guys. On the other these are people who spent ten, fifteen years of their life working on something and nobody they talk to outside work thinks it's cool. I'm in NJ and I've had a couple great discussions with Rutgers profs. Of course I've usually got an impractical idea that is very unlikely to work and I haven't disproven it yet using my own resources. So, something entertaining and different.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5237.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7cy1os","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is it appropriate for engineers to seek correspondence with university professors to help solve work related problems? I have tasks that require extensive knowledge beyond my years, and the senior engineering staff either can't, or won't, help. Is it appropriate for me to seek correspondence with university professors for assistance? (My professors knew a lot and were passionate, whereas my senior engineering colleagues never teach me anything, nor care to learn themselves).","c_root_id_A":"dptssm5","c_root_id_B":"dptmb46","created_at_utc_A":1510697909,"created_at_utc_B":1510691740,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"My company does this all the time. The professors will probably expect payment and you might need to get some NDAs in place. Get management involved.","human_ref_B":"I needed some help calibrating a radiation detector with a high level source. The local university nuclear lab was happy to help at no charge. I hope you can do as well.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6169.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"7jnsbt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How can we reduce or eliminate the smog in Salt Lake City? [SERIOUS] For anyone that has never been to, or has seen the smog in Salk Lake City, picture being outside and not being able to see the sun because of how dense the cloud of carcinogenic air is above your head, yet if you drive anywhere outside the city you realize that it\u2019s a beautiful day out. https:\/\/cdn.deseretnews.com\/images\/article\/hires\/1225756\/1225756.jpg The reason this happens is because of a temperature inversion that creates a base of low density air that gets blocked by 11,000ft high mountains, which keep the low density air trapped by a layer of high density pressure, creating a bubble where every emission gets trapped and has nowhere to go but out through the canyons. After seeing how bad it gets, I\u2019ve never been this concerned about the air quality. Besides what we already do on our own to reduce our carbon footprint, what could we do to improve the air quality in Salt Lake City? (Or any areas that have the geography to create a smog bubble.) Would it even be possible to create a couple hundred tubes that ran up the mountain, or through each canyon, where on the inside of the tubing there would be very large fans ever mile or so, creating a \u201cvent\u201d, essentially sucking the smog and low pressure air out from underneath the high density bubble up, out over the mountains, relieving the area of pollutants? I just moved here and have been on top of one mountain (Snowbird) since moving from the east coast, so maybe this is a far fetched idea, given the size and terrain of the landscape we\u2019re dealing with. However I\u2019ve seen some engineers come up with some crazy stuff, so here I am to ask! Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dr8427e","c_root_id_B":"dr83sen","created_at_utc_A":1513225346,"created_at_utc_B":1513225002,"score_A":34,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Support representatives and senators that are serious about electric cars, solar and geothermal power. Tax cuts for electric cars, express lanes, cheaper gas for hybrids, etc. lots of ways a city can promote the reduction of emissions.","human_ref_B":"Tax the fuck out of gasoline. People will find more efficient modes of transportation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":344.0,"score_ratio":3.7777777778} +{"post_id":"7jnsbt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How can we reduce or eliminate the smog in Salt Lake City? [SERIOUS] For anyone that has never been to, or has seen the smog in Salk Lake City, picture being outside and not being able to see the sun because of how dense the cloud of carcinogenic air is above your head, yet if you drive anywhere outside the city you realize that it\u2019s a beautiful day out. https:\/\/cdn.deseretnews.com\/images\/article\/hires\/1225756\/1225756.jpg The reason this happens is because of a temperature inversion that creates a base of low density air that gets blocked by 11,000ft high mountains, which keep the low density air trapped by a layer of high density pressure, creating a bubble where every emission gets trapped and has nowhere to go but out through the canyons. After seeing how bad it gets, I\u2019ve never been this concerned about the air quality. Besides what we already do on our own to reduce our carbon footprint, what could we do to improve the air quality in Salt Lake City? (Or any areas that have the geography to create a smog bubble.) Would it even be possible to create a couple hundred tubes that ran up the mountain, or through each canyon, where on the inside of the tubing there would be very large fans ever mile or so, creating a \u201cvent\u201d, essentially sucking the smog and low pressure air out from underneath the high density bubble up, out over the mountains, relieving the area of pollutants? I just moved here and have been on top of one mountain (Snowbird) since moving from the east coast, so maybe this is a far fetched idea, given the size and terrain of the landscape we\u2019re dealing with. However I\u2019ve seen some engineers come up with some crazy stuff, so here I am to ask! Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dr8427e","c_root_id_B":"dr82g5b","created_at_utc_A":1513225346,"created_at_utc_B":1513223305,"score_A":34,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Support representatives and senators that are serious about electric cars, solar and geothermal power. Tax cuts for electric cars, express lanes, cheaper gas for hybrids, etc. lots of ways a city can promote the reduction of emissions.","human_ref_B":"plant more trees","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2041.0,"score_ratio":6.8} +{"post_id":"7jnsbt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How can we reduce or eliminate the smog in Salt Lake City? [SERIOUS] For anyone that has never been to, or has seen the smog in Salk Lake City, picture being outside and not being able to see the sun because of how dense the cloud of carcinogenic air is above your head, yet if you drive anywhere outside the city you realize that it\u2019s a beautiful day out. https:\/\/cdn.deseretnews.com\/images\/article\/hires\/1225756\/1225756.jpg The reason this happens is because of a temperature inversion that creates a base of low density air that gets blocked by 11,000ft high mountains, which keep the low density air trapped by a layer of high density pressure, creating a bubble where every emission gets trapped and has nowhere to go but out through the canyons. After seeing how bad it gets, I\u2019ve never been this concerned about the air quality. Besides what we already do on our own to reduce our carbon footprint, what could we do to improve the air quality in Salt Lake City? (Or any areas that have the geography to create a smog bubble.) Would it even be possible to create a couple hundred tubes that ran up the mountain, or through each canyon, where on the inside of the tubing there would be very large fans ever mile or so, creating a \u201cvent\u201d, essentially sucking the smog and low pressure air out from underneath the high density bubble up, out over the mountains, relieving the area of pollutants? I just moved here and have been on top of one mountain (Snowbird) since moving from the east coast, so maybe this is a far fetched idea, given the size and terrain of the landscape we\u2019re dealing with. However I\u2019ve seen some engineers come up with some crazy stuff, so here I am to ask! Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dr8427e","c_root_id_B":"dr83fjx","created_at_utc_A":1513225346,"created_at_utc_B":1513224547,"score_A":34,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Support representatives and senators that are serious about electric cars, solar and geothermal power. Tax cuts for electric cars, express lanes, cheaper gas for hybrids, etc. lots of ways a city can promote the reduction of emissions.","human_ref_B":"Best thing to do is reduce the amount of pollutants being used by the city and plant more trees (build more parks).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":799.0,"score_ratio":8.5} +{"post_id":"7jnsbt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How can we reduce or eliminate the smog in Salt Lake City? [SERIOUS] For anyone that has never been to, or has seen the smog in Salk Lake City, picture being outside and not being able to see the sun because of how dense the cloud of carcinogenic air is above your head, yet if you drive anywhere outside the city you realize that it\u2019s a beautiful day out. https:\/\/cdn.deseretnews.com\/images\/article\/hires\/1225756\/1225756.jpg The reason this happens is because of a temperature inversion that creates a base of low density air that gets blocked by 11,000ft high mountains, which keep the low density air trapped by a layer of high density pressure, creating a bubble where every emission gets trapped and has nowhere to go but out through the canyons. After seeing how bad it gets, I\u2019ve never been this concerned about the air quality. Besides what we already do on our own to reduce our carbon footprint, what could we do to improve the air quality in Salt Lake City? (Or any areas that have the geography to create a smog bubble.) Would it even be possible to create a couple hundred tubes that ran up the mountain, or through each canyon, where on the inside of the tubing there would be very large fans ever mile or so, creating a \u201cvent\u201d, essentially sucking the smog and low pressure air out from underneath the high density bubble up, out over the mountains, relieving the area of pollutants? I just moved here and have been on top of one mountain (Snowbird) since moving from the east coast, so maybe this is a far fetched idea, given the size and terrain of the landscape we\u2019re dealing with. However I\u2019ve seen some engineers come up with some crazy stuff, so here I am to ask! Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dr83sen","c_root_id_B":"dr85456","created_at_utc_A":1513225002,"created_at_utc_B":1513226771,"score_A":9,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"Tax the fuck out of gasoline. People will find more efficient modes of transportation.","human_ref_B":"Pumping the air out would be like one of those xkcd hypothetical things, completely impractical but fun to imagine. In real life, the first step would be to conduct a study of the major sources of pollution. From there do a cost benefit analysis of reductions from each major source. I'm guessing you'd find that cars are the biggest contributor. A solution would be some combination of gas tax, increasing every year to encourage people to buy more efficient cars without causing financial distress by a large increase all at once, and EV subsidies of some kind. Great public transportation would help as well. If it could be shown that Salt Lake City has a higher than expected lung cancer rate adjusted for factors such as smoking and race, it might not be terribly politically unpopular.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1769.0,"score_ratio":2.4444444444} +{"post_id":"7jnsbt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How can we reduce or eliminate the smog in Salt Lake City? [SERIOUS] For anyone that has never been to, or has seen the smog in Salk Lake City, picture being outside and not being able to see the sun because of how dense the cloud of carcinogenic air is above your head, yet if you drive anywhere outside the city you realize that it\u2019s a beautiful day out. https:\/\/cdn.deseretnews.com\/images\/article\/hires\/1225756\/1225756.jpg The reason this happens is because of a temperature inversion that creates a base of low density air that gets blocked by 11,000ft high mountains, which keep the low density air trapped by a layer of high density pressure, creating a bubble where every emission gets trapped and has nowhere to go but out through the canyons. After seeing how bad it gets, I\u2019ve never been this concerned about the air quality. Besides what we already do on our own to reduce our carbon footprint, what could we do to improve the air quality in Salt Lake City? (Or any areas that have the geography to create a smog bubble.) Would it even be possible to create a couple hundred tubes that ran up the mountain, or through each canyon, where on the inside of the tubing there would be very large fans ever mile or so, creating a \u201cvent\u201d, essentially sucking the smog and low pressure air out from underneath the high density bubble up, out over the mountains, relieving the area of pollutants? I just moved here and have been on top of one mountain (Snowbird) since moving from the east coast, so maybe this is a far fetched idea, given the size and terrain of the landscape we\u2019re dealing with. However I\u2019ve seen some engineers come up with some crazy stuff, so here I am to ask! Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dr85456","c_root_id_B":"dr84kuq","created_at_utc_A":1513226771,"created_at_utc_B":1513226032,"score_A":22,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Pumping the air out would be like one of those xkcd hypothetical things, completely impractical but fun to imagine. In real life, the first step would be to conduct a study of the major sources of pollution. From there do a cost benefit analysis of reductions from each major source. I'm guessing you'd find that cars are the biggest contributor. A solution would be some combination of gas tax, increasing every year to encourage people to buy more efficient cars without causing financial distress by a large increase all at once, and EV subsidies of some kind. Great public transportation would help as well. If it could be shown that Salt Lake City has a higher than expected lung cancer rate adjusted for factors such as smoking and race, it might not be terribly politically unpopular.","human_ref_B":"This is a huge problem in the French Alps as well. Apparently wood burning furnaces are a major contributer to the smog in Grenoble.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":739.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"7jnsbt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How can we reduce or eliminate the smog in Salt Lake City? [SERIOUS] For anyone that has never been to, or has seen the smog in Salk Lake City, picture being outside and not being able to see the sun because of how dense the cloud of carcinogenic air is above your head, yet if you drive anywhere outside the city you realize that it\u2019s a beautiful day out. https:\/\/cdn.deseretnews.com\/images\/article\/hires\/1225756\/1225756.jpg The reason this happens is because of a temperature inversion that creates a base of low density air that gets blocked by 11,000ft high mountains, which keep the low density air trapped by a layer of high density pressure, creating a bubble where every emission gets trapped and has nowhere to go but out through the canyons. After seeing how bad it gets, I\u2019ve never been this concerned about the air quality. Besides what we already do on our own to reduce our carbon footprint, what could we do to improve the air quality in Salt Lake City? (Or any areas that have the geography to create a smog bubble.) Would it even be possible to create a couple hundred tubes that ran up the mountain, or through each canyon, where on the inside of the tubing there would be very large fans ever mile or so, creating a \u201cvent\u201d, essentially sucking the smog and low pressure air out from underneath the high density bubble up, out over the mountains, relieving the area of pollutants? I just moved here and have been on top of one mountain (Snowbird) since moving from the east coast, so maybe this is a far fetched idea, given the size and terrain of the landscape we\u2019re dealing with. However I\u2019ve seen some engineers come up with some crazy stuff, so here I am to ask! Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dr85456","c_root_id_B":"dr82g5b","created_at_utc_A":1513226771,"created_at_utc_B":1513223305,"score_A":22,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Pumping the air out would be like one of those xkcd hypothetical things, completely impractical but fun to imagine. In real life, the first step would be to conduct a study of the major sources of pollution. From there do a cost benefit analysis of reductions from each major source. I'm guessing you'd find that cars are the biggest contributor. A solution would be some combination of gas tax, increasing every year to encourage people to buy more efficient cars without causing financial distress by a large increase all at once, and EV subsidies of some kind. Great public transportation would help as well. If it could be shown that Salt Lake City has a higher than expected lung cancer rate adjusted for factors such as smoking and race, it might not be terribly politically unpopular.","human_ref_B":"plant more trees","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3466.0,"score_ratio":4.4} +{"post_id":"7jnsbt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How can we reduce or eliminate the smog in Salt Lake City? [SERIOUS] For anyone that has never been to, or has seen the smog in Salk Lake City, picture being outside and not being able to see the sun because of how dense the cloud of carcinogenic air is above your head, yet if you drive anywhere outside the city you realize that it\u2019s a beautiful day out. https:\/\/cdn.deseretnews.com\/images\/article\/hires\/1225756\/1225756.jpg The reason this happens is because of a temperature inversion that creates a base of low density air that gets blocked by 11,000ft high mountains, which keep the low density air trapped by a layer of high density pressure, creating a bubble where every emission gets trapped and has nowhere to go but out through the canyons. After seeing how bad it gets, I\u2019ve never been this concerned about the air quality. Besides what we already do on our own to reduce our carbon footprint, what could we do to improve the air quality in Salt Lake City? (Or any areas that have the geography to create a smog bubble.) Would it even be possible to create a couple hundred tubes that ran up the mountain, or through each canyon, where on the inside of the tubing there would be very large fans ever mile or so, creating a \u201cvent\u201d, essentially sucking the smog and low pressure air out from underneath the high density bubble up, out over the mountains, relieving the area of pollutants? I just moved here and have been on top of one mountain (Snowbird) since moving from the east coast, so maybe this is a far fetched idea, given the size and terrain of the landscape we\u2019re dealing with. However I\u2019ve seen some engineers come up with some crazy stuff, so here I am to ask! Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dr83fjx","c_root_id_B":"dr85456","created_at_utc_A":1513224547,"created_at_utc_B":1513226771,"score_A":4,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"Best thing to do is reduce the amount of pollutants being used by the city and plant more trees (build more parks).","human_ref_B":"Pumping the air out would be like one of those xkcd hypothetical things, completely impractical but fun to imagine. In real life, the first step would be to conduct a study of the major sources of pollution. From there do a cost benefit analysis of reductions from each major source. I'm guessing you'd find that cars are the biggest contributor. A solution would be some combination of gas tax, increasing every year to encourage people to buy more efficient cars without causing financial distress by a large increase all at once, and EV subsidies of some kind. Great public transportation would help as well. If it could be shown that Salt Lake City has a higher than expected lung cancer rate adjusted for factors such as smoking and race, it might not be terribly politically unpopular.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2224.0,"score_ratio":5.5} +{"post_id":"7jnsbt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How can we reduce or eliminate the smog in Salt Lake City? [SERIOUS] For anyone that has never been to, or has seen the smog in Salk Lake City, picture being outside and not being able to see the sun because of how dense the cloud of carcinogenic air is above your head, yet if you drive anywhere outside the city you realize that it\u2019s a beautiful day out. https:\/\/cdn.deseretnews.com\/images\/article\/hires\/1225756\/1225756.jpg The reason this happens is because of a temperature inversion that creates a base of low density air that gets blocked by 11,000ft high mountains, which keep the low density air trapped by a layer of high density pressure, creating a bubble where every emission gets trapped and has nowhere to go but out through the canyons. After seeing how bad it gets, I\u2019ve never been this concerned about the air quality. Besides what we already do on our own to reduce our carbon footprint, what could we do to improve the air quality in Salt Lake City? (Or any areas that have the geography to create a smog bubble.) Would it even be possible to create a couple hundred tubes that ran up the mountain, or through each canyon, where on the inside of the tubing there would be very large fans ever mile or so, creating a \u201cvent\u201d, essentially sucking the smog and low pressure air out from underneath the high density bubble up, out over the mountains, relieving the area of pollutants? I just moved here and have been on top of one mountain (Snowbird) since moving from the east coast, so maybe this is a far fetched idea, given the size and terrain of the landscape we\u2019re dealing with. However I\u2019ve seen some engineers come up with some crazy stuff, so here I am to ask! Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dr84kuq","c_root_id_B":"dr83sen","created_at_utc_A":1513226032,"created_at_utc_B":1513225002,"score_A":10,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"This is a huge problem in the French Alps as well. Apparently wood burning furnaces are a major contributer to the smog in Grenoble.","human_ref_B":"Tax the fuck out of gasoline. People will find more efficient modes of transportation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1030.0,"score_ratio":1.1111111111} +{"post_id":"7jnsbt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How can we reduce or eliminate the smog in Salt Lake City? [SERIOUS] For anyone that has never been to, or has seen the smog in Salk Lake City, picture being outside and not being able to see the sun because of how dense the cloud of carcinogenic air is above your head, yet if you drive anywhere outside the city you realize that it\u2019s a beautiful day out. https:\/\/cdn.deseretnews.com\/images\/article\/hires\/1225756\/1225756.jpg The reason this happens is because of a temperature inversion that creates a base of low density air that gets blocked by 11,000ft high mountains, which keep the low density air trapped by a layer of high density pressure, creating a bubble where every emission gets trapped and has nowhere to go but out through the canyons. After seeing how bad it gets, I\u2019ve never been this concerned about the air quality. Besides what we already do on our own to reduce our carbon footprint, what could we do to improve the air quality in Salt Lake City? (Or any areas that have the geography to create a smog bubble.) Would it even be possible to create a couple hundred tubes that ran up the mountain, or through each canyon, where on the inside of the tubing there would be very large fans ever mile or so, creating a \u201cvent\u201d, essentially sucking the smog and low pressure air out from underneath the high density bubble up, out over the mountains, relieving the area of pollutants? I just moved here and have been on top of one mountain (Snowbird) since moving from the east coast, so maybe this is a far fetched idea, given the size and terrain of the landscape we\u2019re dealing with. However I\u2019ve seen some engineers come up with some crazy stuff, so here I am to ask! Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dr83sen","c_root_id_B":"dr82g5b","created_at_utc_A":1513225002,"created_at_utc_B":1513223305,"score_A":9,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Tax the fuck out of gasoline. People will find more efficient modes of transportation.","human_ref_B":"plant more trees","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1697.0,"score_ratio":1.8} +{"post_id":"7jnsbt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How can we reduce or eliminate the smog in Salt Lake City? [SERIOUS] For anyone that has never been to, or has seen the smog in Salk Lake City, picture being outside and not being able to see the sun because of how dense the cloud of carcinogenic air is above your head, yet if you drive anywhere outside the city you realize that it\u2019s a beautiful day out. https:\/\/cdn.deseretnews.com\/images\/article\/hires\/1225756\/1225756.jpg The reason this happens is because of a temperature inversion that creates a base of low density air that gets blocked by 11,000ft high mountains, which keep the low density air trapped by a layer of high density pressure, creating a bubble where every emission gets trapped and has nowhere to go but out through the canyons. After seeing how bad it gets, I\u2019ve never been this concerned about the air quality. Besides what we already do on our own to reduce our carbon footprint, what could we do to improve the air quality in Salt Lake City? (Or any areas that have the geography to create a smog bubble.) Would it even be possible to create a couple hundred tubes that ran up the mountain, or through each canyon, where on the inside of the tubing there would be very large fans ever mile or so, creating a \u201cvent\u201d, essentially sucking the smog and low pressure air out from underneath the high density bubble up, out over the mountains, relieving the area of pollutants? I just moved here and have been on top of one mountain (Snowbird) since moving from the east coast, so maybe this is a far fetched idea, given the size and terrain of the landscape we\u2019re dealing with. However I\u2019ve seen some engineers come up with some crazy stuff, so here I am to ask! Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dr83sen","c_root_id_B":"dr83fjx","created_at_utc_A":1513225002,"created_at_utc_B":1513224547,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Tax the fuck out of gasoline. People will find more efficient modes of transportation.","human_ref_B":"Best thing to do is reduce the amount of pollutants being used by the city and plant more trees (build more parks).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":455.0,"score_ratio":2.25} +{"post_id":"7jnsbt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How can we reduce or eliminate the smog in Salt Lake City? [SERIOUS] For anyone that has never been to, or has seen the smog in Salk Lake City, picture being outside and not being able to see the sun because of how dense the cloud of carcinogenic air is above your head, yet if you drive anywhere outside the city you realize that it\u2019s a beautiful day out. https:\/\/cdn.deseretnews.com\/images\/article\/hires\/1225756\/1225756.jpg The reason this happens is because of a temperature inversion that creates a base of low density air that gets blocked by 11,000ft high mountains, which keep the low density air trapped by a layer of high density pressure, creating a bubble where every emission gets trapped and has nowhere to go but out through the canyons. After seeing how bad it gets, I\u2019ve never been this concerned about the air quality. Besides what we already do on our own to reduce our carbon footprint, what could we do to improve the air quality in Salt Lake City? (Or any areas that have the geography to create a smog bubble.) Would it even be possible to create a couple hundred tubes that ran up the mountain, or through each canyon, where on the inside of the tubing there would be very large fans ever mile or so, creating a \u201cvent\u201d, essentially sucking the smog and low pressure air out from underneath the high density bubble up, out over the mountains, relieving the area of pollutants? I just moved here and have been on top of one mountain (Snowbird) since moving from the east coast, so maybe this is a far fetched idea, given the size and terrain of the landscape we\u2019re dealing with. However I\u2019ve seen some engineers come up with some crazy stuff, so here I am to ask! Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dr84kuq","c_root_id_B":"dr82g5b","created_at_utc_A":1513226032,"created_at_utc_B":1513223305,"score_A":10,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"This is a huge problem in the French Alps as well. Apparently wood burning furnaces are a major contributer to the smog in Grenoble.","human_ref_B":"plant more trees","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2727.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"7jnsbt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How can we reduce or eliminate the smog in Salt Lake City? [SERIOUS] For anyone that has never been to, or has seen the smog in Salk Lake City, picture being outside and not being able to see the sun because of how dense the cloud of carcinogenic air is above your head, yet if you drive anywhere outside the city you realize that it\u2019s a beautiful day out. https:\/\/cdn.deseretnews.com\/images\/article\/hires\/1225756\/1225756.jpg The reason this happens is because of a temperature inversion that creates a base of low density air that gets blocked by 11,000ft high mountains, which keep the low density air trapped by a layer of high density pressure, creating a bubble where every emission gets trapped and has nowhere to go but out through the canyons. After seeing how bad it gets, I\u2019ve never been this concerned about the air quality. Besides what we already do on our own to reduce our carbon footprint, what could we do to improve the air quality in Salt Lake City? (Or any areas that have the geography to create a smog bubble.) Would it even be possible to create a couple hundred tubes that ran up the mountain, or through each canyon, where on the inside of the tubing there would be very large fans ever mile or so, creating a \u201cvent\u201d, essentially sucking the smog and low pressure air out from underneath the high density bubble up, out over the mountains, relieving the area of pollutants? I just moved here and have been on top of one mountain (Snowbird) since moving from the east coast, so maybe this is a far fetched idea, given the size and terrain of the landscape we\u2019re dealing with. However I\u2019ve seen some engineers come up with some crazy stuff, so here I am to ask! Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dr83fjx","c_root_id_B":"dr84kuq","created_at_utc_A":1513224547,"created_at_utc_B":1513226032,"score_A":4,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Best thing to do is reduce the amount of pollutants being used by the city and plant more trees (build more parks).","human_ref_B":"This is a huge problem in the French Alps as well. Apparently wood burning furnaces are a major contributer to the smog in Grenoble.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1485.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"ev6tsj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Any advice for an engineer wanting to delve into renewable energy? So I was born and raised in Texas. I plan to live here my whole life. As of right now, I am a Pipe Stress Engineer working for an engineering firm that does mostly plant work. Ever since the beginning of my college days, I aspired to land a job in the renewable energy field. I was wondering if any of you had any advice to share? I am curious of notable companies, governmental\/municipal bodies, or manufacturers that would be worth investigating. Also, I wonder if there is a position or path to start with to ultimately land a career in this field. Energy generation fascinates me and I am a big advocate for furthering our utilization of renewables. Thank you for your time!","c_root_id_A":"fftwxnw","c_root_id_B":"ffuhkxe","created_at_utc_A":1580229877,"created_at_utc_B":1580242108,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"You could also look into civil consultants. Many civil consultants are starting to specialize in renewable energy projects and designs. One thing to watch out for is that some companies will specialize in sustainability, and there will be some renewable energy nomenclature involved, which makes it seem like they specialize in renewable energy, whereas sustainability is much broader and most likely not what you are looking for as a career. That being said, if I am to believe any of the companies that solicit renewable energy development jobs at civil career fairs lead me to think they might be somewhere to look as well. A couple of companies that may be interesting: David Evans Assoc WSP global My phone posted this six times, sorry about all the deleted comments.","human_ref_B":"It would depend on what kind of renewable you want to focus on I would say. Solar and\/or Batteries- Materials\/Chemical Wind- Mech\/Civil Hydro (River\/Ocean)- Any of the above. Nuclear- Poli Sci Efficiency & Distribution (From source to use)- Electrical","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12231.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"ev6tsj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Any advice for an engineer wanting to delve into renewable energy? So I was born and raised in Texas. I plan to live here my whole life. As of right now, I am a Pipe Stress Engineer working for an engineering firm that does mostly plant work. Ever since the beginning of my college days, I aspired to land a job in the renewable energy field. I was wondering if any of you had any advice to share? I am curious of notable companies, governmental\/municipal bodies, or manufacturers that would be worth investigating. Also, I wonder if there is a position or path to start with to ultimately land a career in this field. Energy generation fascinates me and I am a big advocate for furthering our utilization of renewables. Thank you for your time!","c_root_id_A":"ffu0q18","c_root_id_B":"ffuhkxe","created_at_utc_A":1580231982,"created_at_utc_B":1580242108,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"California is seeing a bit of a boom (relatively) in biogas if that strikes your fancy. I think there is a conference in Sacramento in February or March.","human_ref_B":"It would depend on what kind of renewable you want to focus on I would say. Solar and\/or Batteries- Materials\/Chemical Wind- Mech\/Civil Hydro (River\/Ocean)- Any of the above. Nuclear- Poli Sci Efficiency & Distribution (From source to use)- Electrical","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10126.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} +{"post_id":"ev6tsj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Any advice for an engineer wanting to delve into renewable energy? So I was born and raised in Texas. I plan to live here my whole life. As of right now, I am a Pipe Stress Engineer working for an engineering firm that does mostly plant work. Ever since the beginning of my college days, I aspired to land a job in the renewable energy field. I was wondering if any of you had any advice to share? I am curious of notable companies, governmental\/municipal bodies, or manufacturers that would be worth investigating. Also, I wonder if there is a position or path to start with to ultimately land a career in this field. Energy generation fascinates me and I am a big advocate for furthering our utilization of renewables. Thank you for your time!","c_root_id_A":"ffu9vht","c_root_id_B":"ffuhkxe","created_at_utc_A":1580237524,"created_at_utc_B":1580242108,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I'm not sure about other renewable's, but for wind I know my uncle buys his wind turbines from General Electric or Vestas, so maybe look into them. There's engineers that work on creating the turbine itself, and then there are trade people that service the wind turbines after they've already been installed. Usually the companies that you buy the turbines for will service them for a period of a few years. I think most of the servicers come from a more trade school background rather than engineering, however I'm sure some of the servicing requires an engineer depending on the issue.","human_ref_B":"It would depend on what kind of renewable you want to focus on I would say. Solar and\/or Batteries- Materials\/Chemical Wind- Mech\/Civil Hydro (River\/Ocean)- Any of the above. Nuclear- Poli Sci Efficiency & Distribution (From source to use)- Electrical","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4584.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"ev6tsj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Any advice for an engineer wanting to delve into renewable energy? So I was born and raised in Texas. I plan to live here my whole life. As of right now, I am a Pipe Stress Engineer working for an engineering firm that does mostly plant work. Ever since the beginning of my college days, I aspired to land a job in the renewable energy field. I was wondering if any of you had any advice to share? I am curious of notable companies, governmental\/municipal bodies, or manufacturers that would be worth investigating. Also, I wonder if there is a position or path to start with to ultimately land a career in this field. Energy generation fascinates me and I am a big advocate for furthering our utilization of renewables. Thank you for your time!","c_root_id_A":"ffuhkxe","c_root_id_B":"ffubod8","created_at_utc_A":1580242108,"created_at_utc_B":1580238593,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It would depend on what kind of renewable you want to focus on I would say. Solar and\/or Batteries- Materials\/Chemical Wind- Mech\/Civil Hydro (River\/Ocean)- Any of the above. Nuclear- Poli Sci Efficiency & Distribution (From source to use)- Electrical","human_ref_B":"I'm not in the renewable industry, but a piece of general advice would be to consider relocation as an option. I understand there's some very real reasons that may not be possible for you, and if that's the case then it is what it is. But you really limit your options in any field when you're tied to one geographic location.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3515.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"ev6tsj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Any advice for an engineer wanting to delve into renewable energy? So I was born and raised in Texas. I plan to live here my whole life. As of right now, I am a Pipe Stress Engineer working for an engineering firm that does mostly plant work. Ever since the beginning of my college days, I aspired to land a job in the renewable energy field. I was wondering if any of you had any advice to share? I am curious of notable companies, governmental\/municipal bodies, or manufacturers that would be worth investigating. Also, I wonder if there is a position or path to start with to ultimately land a career in this field. Energy generation fascinates me and I am a big advocate for furthering our utilization of renewables. Thank you for your time!","c_root_id_A":"ffuhkxe","c_root_id_B":"ffudez4","created_at_utc_A":1580242108,"created_at_utc_B":1580239623,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It would depend on what kind of renewable you want to focus on I would say. Solar and\/or Batteries- Materials\/Chemical Wind- Mech\/Civil Hydro (River\/Ocean)- Any of the above. Nuclear- Poli Sci Efficiency & Distribution (From source to use)- Electrical","human_ref_B":"Wind energy is a growing field which requires engineers from a wide range of specializations. Structural, composite, chemical, mechanical, process engineers, the list goes on. Offshore wind in particular currently has a large drive, possibly your previous experience could be relevant with the engineering required for the platform and towers. Relocation would almost definitely be required. All the big Wind Energy companies are based in Europe, centred around Germany and Denmark. Vestas, Siemens Gamesa, and LM Wind Power are the big manufacturers. There are also large energy companies with vested interest in wind, Orsted being a key one. I personally did a PhD in composite manufacturing and then got multiple job offers from companies in Denmark. If you have the skillset they're looking for then they are happy to do the work to get you a visa.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2485.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"ev6tsj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Any advice for an engineer wanting to delve into renewable energy? So I was born and raised in Texas. I plan to live here my whole life. As of right now, I am a Pipe Stress Engineer working for an engineering firm that does mostly plant work. Ever since the beginning of my college days, I aspired to land a job in the renewable energy field. I was wondering if any of you had any advice to share? I am curious of notable companies, governmental\/municipal bodies, or manufacturers that would be worth investigating. Also, I wonder if there is a position or path to start with to ultimately land a career in this field. Energy generation fascinates me and I am a big advocate for furthering our utilization of renewables. Thank you for your time!","c_root_id_A":"ffu9vht","c_root_id_B":"ffuxqwi","created_at_utc_A":1580237524,"created_at_utc_B":1580251358,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I'm not sure about other renewable's, but for wind I know my uncle buys his wind turbines from General Electric or Vestas, so maybe look into them. There's engineers that work on creating the turbine itself, and then there are trade people that service the wind turbines after they've already been installed. Usually the companies that you buy the turbines for will service them for a period of a few years. I think most of the servicers come from a more trade school background rather than engineering, however I'm sure some of the servicing requires an engineer depending on the issue.","human_ref_B":"If you're not afraid of heights and some blue collar work, Siemens is a great company to work for. I know a ton of engineers that intern with us as turbine technicians to move on to dev teams after a year or so.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13834.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"ev6tsj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Any advice for an engineer wanting to delve into renewable energy? So I was born and raised in Texas. I plan to live here my whole life. As of right now, I am a Pipe Stress Engineer working for an engineering firm that does mostly plant work. Ever since the beginning of my college days, I aspired to land a job in the renewable energy field. I was wondering if any of you had any advice to share? I am curious of notable companies, governmental\/municipal bodies, or manufacturers that would be worth investigating. Also, I wonder if there is a position or path to start with to ultimately land a career in this field. Energy generation fascinates me and I am a big advocate for furthering our utilization of renewables. Thank you for your time!","c_root_id_A":"ffuxqwi","c_root_id_B":"ffubod8","created_at_utc_A":1580251358,"created_at_utc_B":1580238593,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you're not afraid of heights and some blue collar work, Siemens is a great company to work for. I know a ton of engineers that intern with us as turbine technicians to move on to dev teams after a year or so.","human_ref_B":"I'm not in the renewable industry, but a piece of general advice would be to consider relocation as an option. I understand there's some very real reasons that may not be possible for you, and if that's the case then it is what it is. But you really limit your options in any field when you're tied to one geographic location.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12765.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"ev6tsj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Any advice for an engineer wanting to delve into renewable energy? So I was born and raised in Texas. I plan to live here my whole life. As of right now, I am a Pipe Stress Engineer working for an engineering firm that does mostly plant work. Ever since the beginning of my college days, I aspired to land a job in the renewable energy field. I was wondering if any of you had any advice to share? I am curious of notable companies, governmental\/municipal bodies, or manufacturers that would be worth investigating. Also, I wonder if there is a position or path to start with to ultimately land a career in this field. Energy generation fascinates me and I am a big advocate for furthering our utilization of renewables. Thank you for your time!","c_root_id_A":"ffudez4","c_root_id_B":"ffuxqwi","created_at_utc_A":1580239623,"created_at_utc_B":1580251358,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Wind energy is a growing field which requires engineers from a wide range of specializations. Structural, composite, chemical, mechanical, process engineers, the list goes on. Offshore wind in particular currently has a large drive, possibly your previous experience could be relevant with the engineering required for the platform and towers. Relocation would almost definitely be required. All the big Wind Energy companies are based in Europe, centred around Germany and Denmark. Vestas, Siemens Gamesa, and LM Wind Power are the big manufacturers. There are also large energy companies with vested interest in wind, Orsted being a key one. I personally did a PhD in composite manufacturing and then got multiple job offers from companies in Denmark. If you have the skillset they're looking for then they are happy to do the work to get you a visa.","human_ref_B":"If you're not afraid of heights and some blue collar work, Siemens is a great company to work for. I know a ton of engineers that intern with us as turbine technicians to move on to dev teams after a year or so.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11735.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e34rp6s","c_root_id_B":"e34z69f","created_at_utc_A":1532703027,"created_at_utc_B":1532709245,"score_A":70,"score_B":144,"human_ref_A":"Uh. Tell your boss? If this is your product, then your company can take legal steps. If your company is the copy-cat, then you'll probably figure that out pretty soon, at which point you jump ship. I'm not sure what I'm missing, but how does this invalidated your work?","human_ref_B":"This is called **\"Clean Room Reverse Engineering\"** > *To protect against charges of having simply (and illegally) copied IBM's BIOS, Phoenix reverse-engineered it using what's called a \"clean room,\" or \"Chinese wall,\" approach. First, a team of engineers studied the IBM BIOS\u2014about 8KB of code\u2014and described everything it did as completely as possible without using or referencing any actual code. Then Phoenix brought in a second team of programmers who had no prior knowledge of the IBM BIOS and had never seen its code. Working only from the first team's functional specifications, the second team wrote a new BIOS that operated as specified. * > *The resulting Phoenix BIOS was different from the IBM code, but for all intents and purposes, it operated identically. Using the clean-room approach, even if some sections of code did happen to be identical, there was no copyright infringement. Phoenix began selling its BIOS to companies that then used it to create the first IBM-compatible PCs.* > *Other companies, such as Cyrix Corp. and Advanced Micro Devices Inc., have successfully reverse-engineered Intel Corp. microprocessors to make less-expensive Intel-compatible chips. * I think you are not supposed to know about it, legally speaking.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6218.0,"score_ratio":2.0571428571} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e34z69f","c_root_id_B":"e34wmv0","created_at_utc_A":1532709245,"created_at_utc_B":1532707147,"score_A":144,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"This is called **\"Clean Room Reverse Engineering\"** > *To protect against charges of having simply (and illegally) copied IBM's BIOS, Phoenix reverse-engineered it using what's called a \"clean room,\" or \"Chinese wall,\" approach. First, a team of engineers studied the IBM BIOS\u2014about 8KB of code\u2014and described everything it did as completely as possible without using or referencing any actual code. Then Phoenix brought in a second team of programmers who had no prior knowledge of the IBM BIOS and had never seen its code. Working only from the first team's functional specifications, the second team wrote a new BIOS that operated as specified. * > *The resulting Phoenix BIOS was different from the IBM code, but for all intents and purposes, it operated identically. Using the clean-room approach, even if some sections of code did happen to be identical, there was no copyright infringement. Phoenix began selling its BIOS to companies that then used it to create the first IBM-compatible PCs.* > *Other companies, such as Cyrix Corp. and Advanced Micro Devices Inc., have successfully reverse-engineered Intel Corp. microprocessors to make less-expensive Intel-compatible chips. * I think you are not supposed to know about it, legally speaking.","human_ref_B":"Since there are plenty of reasonable voices on the other side of this discussion, let me offer a potential legitimate one: is it possible that your company licensed the competing technology? Actual example from my career: big company acquires technology from small company. Turns out small company has non-existent documentation practices (that apparently big company didn't do due diligence on or didn't care). Big company has to compile documentation from suppliers (e.g. mold makers) and reverse engineer to fill the gaps. The two products are visually identical, even down to the location of the serial number, except in terms of branding as the color and logos were changed for big company.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2098.0,"score_ratio":3.0638297872} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e34z69f","c_root_id_B":"e34wwfl","created_at_utc_A":1532709245,"created_at_utc_B":1532707369,"score_A":144,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"This is called **\"Clean Room Reverse Engineering\"** > *To protect against charges of having simply (and illegally) copied IBM's BIOS, Phoenix reverse-engineered it using what's called a \"clean room,\" or \"Chinese wall,\" approach. First, a team of engineers studied the IBM BIOS\u2014about 8KB of code\u2014and described everything it did as completely as possible without using or referencing any actual code. Then Phoenix brought in a second team of programmers who had no prior knowledge of the IBM BIOS and had never seen its code. Working only from the first team's functional specifications, the second team wrote a new BIOS that operated as specified. * > *The resulting Phoenix BIOS was different from the IBM code, but for all intents and purposes, it operated identically. Using the clean-room approach, even if some sections of code did happen to be identical, there was no copyright infringement. Phoenix began selling its BIOS to companies that then used it to create the first IBM-compatible PCs.* > *Other companies, such as Cyrix Corp. and Advanced Micro Devices Inc., have successfully reverse-engineered Intel Corp. microprocessors to make less-expensive Intel-compatible chips. * I think you are not supposed to know about it, legally speaking.","human_ref_B":"Your post is confusing. How can your product be identical to the online website's product if you've been doing 8 months of development without knowing the other one existed? Shouldn't that lead to a vastly different product? Holding a competitor's product up as your target performance to exceed and reverse engineering it to understand that performance is pretty normal practice. It becomes ethically difficult when you start to copy exactly (without improving) what you learn into your own product, and in some cases not even that is technically illegal. Is the product you found protected by valid and defensible patents? It is perfectly possible there is some shady stuff going on, but my approach is usually in step with this quote: \"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity\/incompetence\/other\", or in this case, poor communication or incomplete understanding on your part of what your company is trying to do. Personally I'd start asking a few probing questions to confirm my suspicions with facts and not speculation, you are likely one small piece of a machine with many moving parts that you do not see all of. Are you absolutely certain your business has no existing relationship with the company selling the existing product? Could these kinds of conversations be going on above your head? Are you sure your companies actions are actually illegal? Reverse passing off is done all the time in consumer products.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1876.0,"score_ratio":4.6451612903} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e34z69f","c_root_id_B":"e34rw7m","created_at_utc_A":1532709245,"created_at_utc_B":1532703189,"score_A":144,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"This is called **\"Clean Room Reverse Engineering\"** > *To protect against charges of having simply (and illegally) copied IBM's BIOS, Phoenix reverse-engineered it using what's called a \"clean room,\" or \"Chinese wall,\" approach. First, a team of engineers studied the IBM BIOS\u2014about 8KB of code\u2014and described everything it did as completely as possible without using or referencing any actual code. Then Phoenix brought in a second team of programmers who had no prior knowledge of the IBM BIOS and had never seen its code. Working only from the first team's functional specifications, the second team wrote a new BIOS that operated as specified. * > *The resulting Phoenix BIOS was different from the IBM code, but for all intents and purposes, it operated identically. Using the clean-room approach, even if some sections of code did happen to be identical, there was no copyright infringement. Phoenix began selling its BIOS to companies that then used it to create the first IBM-compatible PCs.* > *Other companies, such as Cyrix Corp. and Advanced Micro Devices Inc., have successfully reverse-engineered Intel Corp. microprocessors to make less-expensive Intel-compatible chips. * I think you are not supposed to know about it, legally speaking.","human_ref_B":"So it\u2019s an amazing new technology that has been developed for 10 years? Do you work for a small company? Is your company making their own for internal use or to sell? This is an odd situation that seems extremely awkward. If it\u2019s been around since before 2010 it\u2019s surprising it is currently being R&D\u2019d by any company. If your company is really making something to sell that is already being sold and they are not changing it significantly AND that product is patented, that is illegal. I didn\u2019t word that the best way but you get it. I would report it, see what happens, and make a decision to stay or leave.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6056.0,"score_ratio":9.6} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e34ruan","c_root_id_B":"e34z69f","created_at_utc_A":1532703146,"created_at_utc_B":1532709245,"score_A":9,"score_B":144,"human_ref_A":"This sounds like a a serious ethical issue you have in your hands. I think you have an ethical obligation to report this to your managers. >I don't want my colleagues to lose their jobs. This might sound harse, but if they knowingly and willingly copied other work in an unethical and illegal manner. They deserve to lose their jobs. There is a bit of a grey area in reverse engineering to avoid patents, though.","human_ref_B":"This is called **\"Clean Room Reverse Engineering\"** > *To protect against charges of having simply (and illegally) copied IBM's BIOS, Phoenix reverse-engineered it using what's called a \"clean room,\" or \"Chinese wall,\" approach. First, a team of engineers studied the IBM BIOS\u2014about 8KB of code\u2014and described everything it did as completely as possible without using or referencing any actual code. Then Phoenix brought in a second team of programmers who had no prior knowledge of the IBM BIOS and had never seen its code. Working only from the first team's functional specifications, the second team wrote a new BIOS that operated as specified. * > *The resulting Phoenix BIOS was different from the IBM code, but for all intents and purposes, it operated identically. Using the clean-room approach, even if some sections of code did happen to be identical, there was no copyright infringement. Phoenix began selling its BIOS to companies that then used it to create the first IBM-compatible PCs.* > *Other companies, such as Cyrix Corp. and Advanced Micro Devices Inc., have successfully reverse-engineered Intel Corp. microprocessors to make less-expensive Intel-compatible chips. * I think you are not supposed to know about it, legally speaking.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6099.0,"score_ratio":16.0} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e34z69f","c_root_id_B":"e34rx0o","created_at_utc_A":1532709245,"created_at_utc_B":1532703208,"score_A":144,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This is called **\"Clean Room Reverse Engineering\"** > *To protect against charges of having simply (and illegally) copied IBM's BIOS, Phoenix reverse-engineered it using what's called a \"clean room,\" or \"Chinese wall,\" approach. First, a team of engineers studied the IBM BIOS\u2014about 8KB of code\u2014and described everything it did as completely as possible without using or referencing any actual code. Then Phoenix brought in a second team of programmers who had no prior knowledge of the IBM BIOS and had never seen its code. Working only from the first team's functional specifications, the second team wrote a new BIOS that operated as specified. * > *The resulting Phoenix BIOS was different from the IBM code, but for all intents and purposes, it operated identically. Using the clean-room approach, even if some sections of code did happen to be identical, there was no copyright infringement. Phoenix began selling its BIOS to companies that then used it to create the first IBM-compatible PCs.* > *Other companies, such as Cyrix Corp. and Advanced Micro Devices Inc., have successfully reverse-engineered Intel Corp. microprocessors to make less-expensive Intel-compatible chips. * I think you are not supposed to know about it, legally speaking.","human_ref_B":"are you sure its the same exact product? Could your companies product be using different material that can only be used in a unit or certain temperature specifications.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6037.0,"score_ratio":72.0} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e34wmv0","c_root_id_B":"e34rw7m","created_at_utc_A":1532707147,"created_at_utc_B":1532703189,"score_A":47,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Since there are plenty of reasonable voices on the other side of this discussion, let me offer a potential legitimate one: is it possible that your company licensed the competing technology? Actual example from my career: big company acquires technology from small company. Turns out small company has non-existent documentation practices (that apparently big company didn't do due diligence on or didn't care). Big company has to compile documentation from suppliers (e.g. mold makers) and reverse engineer to fill the gaps. The two products are visually identical, even down to the location of the serial number, except in terms of branding as the color and logos were changed for big company.","human_ref_B":"So it\u2019s an amazing new technology that has been developed for 10 years? Do you work for a small company? Is your company making their own for internal use or to sell? This is an odd situation that seems extremely awkward. If it\u2019s been around since before 2010 it\u2019s surprising it is currently being R&D\u2019d by any company. If your company is really making something to sell that is already being sold and they are not changing it significantly AND that product is patented, that is illegal. I didn\u2019t word that the best way but you get it. I would report it, see what happens, and make a decision to stay or leave.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3958.0,"score_ratio":3.1333333333} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e34wmv0","c_root_id_B":"e34ruan","created_at_utc_A":1532707147,"created_at_utc_B":1532703146,"score_A":47,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Since there are plenty of reasonable voices on the other side of this discussion, let me offer a potential legitimate one: is it possible that your company licensed the competing technology? Actual example from my career: big company acquires technology from small company. Turns out small company has non-existent documentation practices (that apparently big company didn't do due diligence on or didn't care). Big company has to compile documentation from suppliers (e.g. mold makers) and reverse engineer to fill the gaps. The two products are visually identical, even down to the location of the serial number, except in terms of branding as the color and logos were changed for big company.","human_ref_B":"This sounds like a a serious ethical issue you have in your hands. I think you have an ethical obligation to report this to your managers. >I don't want my colleagues to lose their jobs. This might sound harse, but if they knowingly and willingly copied other work in an unethical and illegal manner. They deserve to lose their jobs. There is a bit of a grey area in reverse engineering to avoid patents, though.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4001.0,"score_ratio":5.2222222222} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e34wmv0","c_root_id_B":"e34rx0o","created_at_utc_A":1532707147,"created_at_utc_B":1532703208,"score_A":47,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Since there are plenty of reasonable voices on the other side of this discussion, let me offer a potential legitimate one: is it possible that your company licensed the competing technology? Actual example from my career: big company acquires technology from small company. Turns out small company has non-existent documentation practices (that apparently big company didn't do due diligence on or didn't care). Big company has to compile documentation from suppliers (e.g. mold makers) and reverse engineer to fill the gaps. The two products are visually identical, even down to the location of the serial number, except in terms of branding as the color and logos were changed for big company.","human_ref_B":"are you sure its the same exact product? Could your companies product be using different material that can only be used in a unit or certain temperature specifications.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3939.0,"score_ratio":23.5} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e34wwfl","c_root_id_B":"e34rw7m","created_at_utc_A":1532707369,"created_at_utc_B":1532703189,"score_A":31,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Your post is confusing. How can your product be identical to the online website's product if you've been doing 8 months of development without knowing the other one existed? Shouldn't that lead to a vastly different product? Holding a competitor's product up as your target performance to exceed and reverse engineering it to understand that performance is pretty normal practice. It becomes ethically difficult when you start to copy exactly (without improving) what you learn into your own product, and in some cases not even that is technically illegal. Is the product you found protected by valid and defensible patents? It is perfectly possible there is some shady stuff going on, but my approach is usually in step with this quote: \"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity\/incompetence\/other\", or in this case, poor communication or incomplete understanding on your part of what your company is trying to do. Personally I'd start asking a few probing questions to confirm my suspicions with facts and not speculation, you are likely one small piece of a machine with many moving parts that you do not see all of. Are you absolutely certain your business has no existing relationship with the company selling the existing product? Could these kinds of conversations be going on above your head? Are you sure your companies actions are actually illegal? Reverse passing off is done all the time in consumer products.","human_ref_B":"So it\u2019s an amazing new technology that has been developed for 10 years? Do you work for a small company? Is your company making their own for internal use or to sell? This is an odd situation that seems extremely awkward. If it\u2019s been around since before 2010 it\u2019s surprising it is currently being R&D\u2019d by any company. If your company is really making something to sell that is already being sold and they are not changing it significantly AND that product is patented, that is illegal. I didn\u2019t word that the best way but you get it. I would report it, see what happens, and make a decision to stay or leave.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4180.0,"score_ratio":2.0666666667} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e34ruan","c_root_id_B":"e34wwfl","created_at_utc_A":1532703146,"created_at_utc_B":1532707369,"score_A":9,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"This sounds like a a serious ethical issue you have in your hands. I think you have an ethical obligation to report this to your managers. >I don't want my colleagues to lose their jobs. This might sound harse, but if they knowingly and willingly copied other work in an unethical and illegal manner. They deserve to lose their jobs. There is a bit of a grey area in reverse engineering to avoid patents, though.","human_ref_B":"Your post is confusing. How can your product be identical to the online website's product if you've been doing 8 months of development without knowing the other one existed? Shouldn't that lead to a vastly different product? Holding a competitor's product up as your target performance to exceed and reverse engineering it to understand that performance is pretty normal practice. It becomes ethically difficult when you start to copy exactly (without improving) what you learn into your own product, and in some cases not even that is technically illegal. Is the product you found protected by valid and defensible patents? It is perfectly possible there is some shady stuff going on, but my approach is usually in step with this quote: \"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity\/incompetence\/other\", or in this case, poor communication or incomplete understanding on your part of what your company is trying to do. Personally I'd start asking a few probing questions to confirm my suspicions with facts and not speculation, you are likely one small piece of a machine with many moving parts that you do not see all of. Are you absolutely certain your business has no existing relationship with the company selling the existing product? Could these kinds of conversations be going on above your head? Are you sure your companies actions are actually illegal? Reverse passing off is done all the time in consumer products.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4223.0,"score_ratio":3.4444444444} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e34rx0o","c_root_id_B":"e34wwfl","created_at_utc_A":1532703208,"created_at_utc_B":1532707369,"score_A":2,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"are you sure its the same exact product? Could your companies product be using different material that can only be used in a unit or certain temperature specifications.","human_ref_B":"Your post is confusing. How can your product be identical to the online website's product if you've been doing 8 months of development without knowing the other one existed? Shouldn't that lead to a vastly different product? Holding a competitor's product up as your target performance to exceed and reverse engineering it to understand that performance is pretty normal practice. It becomes ethically difficult when you start to copy exactly (without improving) what you learn into your own product, and in some cases not even that is technically illegal. Is the product you found protected by valid and defensible patents? It is perfectly possible there is some shady stuff going on, but my approach is usually in step with this quote: \"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity\/incompetence\/other\", or in this case, poor communication or incomplete understanding on your part of what your company is trying to do. Personally I'd start asking a few probing questions to confirm my suspicions with facts and not speculation, you are likely one small piece of a machine with many moving parts that you do not see all of. Are you absolutely certain your business has no existing relationship with the company selling the existing product? Could these kinds of conversations be going on above your head? Are you sure your companies actions are actually illegal? Reverse passing off is done all the time in consumer products.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4161.0,"score_ratio":15.5} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e34ruan","c_root_id_B":"e34rw7m","created_at_utc_A":1532703146,"created_at_utc_B":1532703189,"score_A":9,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"This sounds like a a serious ethical issue you have in your hands. I think you have an ethical obligation to report this to your managers. >I don't want my colleagues to lose their jobs. This might sound harse, but if they knowingly and willingly copied other work in an unethical and illegal manner. They deserve to lose their jobs. There is a bit of a grey area in reverse engineering to avoid patents, though.","human_ref_B":"So it\u2019s an amazing new technology that has been developed for 10 years? Do you work for a small company? Is your company making their own for internal use or to sell? This is an odd situation that seems extremely awkward. If it\u2019s been around since before 2010 it\u2019s surprising it is currently being R&D\u2019d by any company. If your company is really making something to sell that is already being sold and they are not changing it significantly AND that product is patented, that is illegal. I didn\u2019t word that the best way but you get it. I would report it, see what happens, and make a decision to stay or leave.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":43.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e355i0y","c_root_id_B":"e351gcl","created_at_utc_A":1532714354,"created_at_utc_B":1532711079,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You really need to clear up some details for us because it is not at all clear what is going on. **Scenario A:** You have found an existing product that appears to be identical to the one you have been tasked with designing. As in, you do *not* believe this other company has stolen your design. **Scenario B:** You have found a copy of your design on another company's website and it looks like that company has ripped off your design. As in, you think this company has stolen your design. > For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. But then one google search and you find an identical product that has been around for nearly a decade and nobody at your company knows? This seems hard to believe....This isn't a company that raised money on kickstarter, is it? > I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Again, are we in Scenario A or B from above? If your company is just buying their design with the intent to copy it and make their own, this isn't illegal provided they are not infringing on any patents or utilizing proprietary information. But then why is anyone there to \"design\" this thing if your company just got them from this other manufacturer that already has a working product? It sounds like maybe your company purchased some of these and tossed it to the design team and said, \"make one of these\"? If the other company has stolen *your* design, tell your boss, get some lawyers, and hope the other company isn't in mainland China. > That said no one in the company knows this information. Again, are we in Scenario A or B from above? As in nobody on your team knows or nobody at your company? I mean, *someone* at your company must know about this design if your team just happened to make one that is identical, right? Or am I misreading and it is *your* original design that has been copied by this other company? If you are there to truly reverse engineer this design, not informing the designers could be intentional. With that said, if the other company's design is readily available online, complete with a drawing, I find it hard to believe this approach would work. It would be much better to tell the employees trying to reverse engineer it \"you can't use data from this source\" and then give them a few of the competing designs to measure\/analyze\/characterize, etc. Is the other company a competitor or one that your company has had dealings with? That's the only reason I could see doing reverse engineering and not telling the engineers about the existing product as it would help shield your company from the inevitable litigation. To be clear: There is absolutely nothing illegal about a company purchasing another company's product and trying to copy it. You would only run into legal troubles if the design had current patents on it or you used proprietary (non-public) information obtained on the original product to create your copy of it (even if that information was obtained legally through things like licensing or via supplier\/manufacturer relationship). It's very shitty of your company to hire people under the guise of creating a new design when it appears that *someone* at your company knows that you are all really just reverse engineering an existing design.","human_ref_B":"It's not unusual for companies to buy\/resell products for some period of time before they make their own in-house replacements. What's not clear from your description is the actual relationship between your company (A) and the other company (B) you found selling the same product. It could be that A is buying from B and rebranding with B's blessing. It's also possible that A and B both are buying from yet another supplier, C, that is the original manufacturer. Unless there's additional collaborating evidence, I would take company B's claims of \"developing this product for 10 years\" carefully. There may be additional agreements in place that keeps B from disclosing its relationships; or that there is a time-specific exclusive between A and B that is expiring. It's quite possible that A had a 10-year deal to purchase and rebrand from B, but with the end of the 10 years approaching, is planning to introduce its own replacement. If you're annoyed because you're not working on completely original and new work, that's a separate issue from whether A's action is ethical. The engineering education you received is copied work packaged up in curriculum.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3275.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e355i0y","c_root_id_B":"e34rx0o","created_at_utc_A":1532714354,"created_at_utc_B":1532703208,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You really need to clear up some details for us because it is not at all clear what is going on. **Scenario A:** You have found an existing product that appears to be identical to the one you have been tasked with designing. As in, you do *not* believe this other company has stolen your design. **Scenario B:** You have found a copy of your design on another company's website and it looks like that company has ripped off your design. As in, you think this company has stolen your design. > For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. But then one google search and you find an identical product that has been around for nearly a decade and nobody at your company knows? This seems hard to believe....This isn't a company that raised money on kickstarter, is it? > I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Again, are we in Scenario A or B from above? If your company is just buying their design with the intent to copy it and make their own, this isn't illegal provided they are not infringing on any patents or utilizing proprietary information. But then why is anyone there to \"design\" this thing if your company just got them from this other manufacturer that already has a working product? It sounds like maybe your company purchased some of these and tossed it to the design team and said, \"make one of these\"? If the other company has stolen *your* design, tell your boss, get some lawyers, and hope the other company isn't in mainland China. > That said no one in the company knows this information. Again, are we in Scenario A or B from above? As in nobody on your team knows or nobody at your company? I mean, *someone* at your company must know about this design if your team just happened to make one that is identical, right? Or am I misreading and it is *your* original design that has been copied by this other company? If you are there to truly reverse engineer this design, not informing the designers could be intentional. With that said, if the other company's design is readily available online, complete with a drawing, I find it hard to believe this approach would work. It would be much better to tell the employees trying to reverse engineer it \"you can't use data from this source\" and then give them a few of the competing designs to measure\/analyze\/characterize, etc. Is the other company a competitor or one that your company has had dealings with? That's the only reason I could see doing reverse engineering and not telling the engineers about the existing product as it would help shield your company from the inevitable litigation. To be clear: There is absolutely nothing illegal about a company purchasing another company's product and trying to copy it. You would only run into legal troubles if the design had current patents on it or you used proprietary (non-public) information obtained on the original product to create your copy of it (even if that information was obtained legally through things like licensing or via supplier\/manufacturer relationship). It's very shitty of your company to hire people under the guise of creating a new design when it appears that *someone* at your company knows that you are all really just reverse engineering an existing design.","human_ref_B":"are you sure its the same exact product? Could your companies product be using different material that can only be used in a unit or certain temperature specifications.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11146.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e35wxgd","c_root_id_B":"e351gcl","created_at_utc_A":1532740891,"created_at_utc_B":1532711079,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Tell your boss. Anything beyond that is not your pay grade. > My work from the pass 8 months means nothing If you got paid $x, then that's the meaning of your work. Don't look for salvation in your work, unless you started the company.","human_ref_B":"It's not unusual for companies to buy\/resell products for some period of time before they make their own in-house replacements. What's not clear from your description is the actual relationship between your company (A) and the other company (B) you found selling the same product. It could be that A is buying from B and rebranding with B's blessing. It's also possible that A and B both are buying from yet another supplier, C, that is the original manufacturer. Unless there's additional collaborating evidence, I would take company B's claims of \"developing this product for 10 years\" carefully. There may be additional agreements in place that keeps B from disclosing its relationships; or that there is a time-specific exclusive between A and B that is expiring. It's quite possible that A had a 10-year deal to purchase and rebrand from B, but with the end of the 10 years approaching, is planning to introduce its own replacement. If you're annoyed because you're not working on completely original and new work, that's a separate issue from whether A's action is ethical. The engineering education you received is copied work packaged up in curriculum.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":29812.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e351gcl","c_root_id_B":"e34rx0o","created_at_utc_A":1532711079,"created_at_utc_B":1532703208,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It's not unusual for companies to buy\/resell products for some period of time before they make their own in-house replacements. What's not clear from your description is the actual relationship between your company (A) and the other company (B) you found selling the same product. It could be that A is buying from B and rebranding with B's blessing. It's also possible that A and B both are buying from yet another supplier, C, that is the original manufacturer. Unless there's additional collaborating evidence, I would take company B's claims of \"developing this product for 10 years\" carefully. There may be additional agreements in place that keeps B from disclosing its relationships; or that there is a time-specific exclusive between A and B that is expiring. It's quite possible that A had a 10-year deal to purchase and rebrand from B, but with the end of the 10 years approaching, is planning to introduce its own replacement. If you're annoyed because you're not working on completely original and new work, that's a separate issue from whether A's action is ethical. The engineering education you received is copied work packaged up in curriculum.","human_ref_B":"are you sure its the same exact product? Could your companies product be using different material that can only be used in a unit or certain temperature specifications.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7871.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e35wxgd","c_root_id_B":"e34rx0o","created_at_utc_A":1532740891,"created_at_utc_B":1532703208,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Tell your boss. Anything beyond that is not your pay grade. > My work from the pass 8 months means nothing If you got paid $x, then that's the meaning of your work. Don't look for salvation in your work, unless you started the company.","human_ref_B":"are you sure its the same exact product? Could your companies product be using different material that can only be used in a unit or certain temperature specifications.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":37683.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"92cysj","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"(help) I think my company is doing reverse passing off. What to do? Hi everyone, For the pass 8 months I've been working on a project for a supposed new amazing technology. When I arrived to the company the project was already started. While looking online for information to solve a problem for my project, I stumbled on a website that sells the product that I am supposed to be developing. They even give the drawing and the manual for the damn thing. I used my girlfriend email to ask for a quote and more information. They have been developing this product for the pass 10 years. That said, I am 100% sure they bought the thing from the company and rebranded it as their own. Everything is identical, even the placing of the serial number. I can't really go in details about what the technology is. That said no one in the company knows this information. I'm really pissed off right now. My work from the pass 8 months means nothing. I don't want my colleagues to loses their jobs. I got no idea what to do. As anyone been in this kind of situation?","c_root_id_A":"e35gwyw","c_root_id_B":"e35wxgd","created_at_utc_A":1532724409,"created_at_utc_B":1532740891,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"This is a test. Your boss wanted to see if you would do research on similar designs when given a new project. It took you 8 months to pass the test. Good job.","human_ref_B":"Tell your boss. Anything beyond that is not your pay grade. > My work from the pass 8 months means nothing If you got paid $x, then that's the meaning of your work. Don't look for salvation in your work, unless you started the company.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16482.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"rfwxhw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What engineering management books do you recommend? I've already read \"High Output Management\" by Andrew S. Grove (Cofounder of Intel), I liked it a lot and the company i work at seems to follow much of what he recommends. I've been an engineering manager at a very small company (about 25 employees total) so basically just winged it while reading about project management. But now I'm at a big company as an individual contributor. We have 10k+ employees and it seems that the best career path upwards is engineering management. Sure, we have a technical engineering track, but the economic upside potential isn't that high.What other engineering management books do you recommend?","c_root_id_A":"hogziz1","c_root_id_B":"hogt8ut","created_at_utc_A":1639455595,"created_at_utc_B":1639452605,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Out of the Crisis by WE Deming. It's the management book that teaches how to manage by savagely criticizing management.","human_ref_B":"Their is a course called \u201cListen like a leader\u201d that everyone in management at the company I work for goes through. Maybe your workplace can offer something like that?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2990.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"rfwxhw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What engineering management books do you recommend? I've already read \"High Output Management\" by Andrew S. Grove (Cofounder of Intel), I liked it a lot and the company i work at seems to follow much of what he recommends. I've been an engineering manager at a very small company (about 25 employees total) so basically just winged it while reading about project management. But now I'm at a big company as an individual contributor. We have 10k+ employees and it seems that the best career path upwards is engineering management. Sure, we have a technical engineering track, but the economic upside potential isn't that high.What other engineering management books do you recommend?","c_root_id_A":"hogt8ut","c_root_id_B":"hohb10o","created_at_utc_A":1639452605,"created_at_utc_B":1639462120,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Their is a course called \u201cListen like a leader\u201d that everyone in management at the company I work for goes through. Maybe your workplace can offer something like that?","human_ref_B":"\"Good to Great\" by Collins. It's less of a how-to than an analysis of why some companies succeed. Might seem a bit dated (Circuit City is one of the \"Great\" companies) but the book makes the point that just because a company succeeded once doesn't mean it won't fail on the future.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9515.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"rfwxhw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What engineering management books do you recommend? I've already read \"High Output Management\" by Andrew S. Grove (Cofounder of Intel), I liked it a lot and the company i work at seems to follow much of what he recommends. I've been an engineering manager at a very small company (about 25 employees total) so basically just winged it while reading about project management. But now I'm at a big company as an individual contributor. We have 10k+ employees and it seems that the best career path upwards is engineering management. Sure, we have a technical engineering track, but the economic upside potential isn't that high.What other engineering management books do you recommend?","c_root_id_A":"hohb10o","c_root_id_B":"hoh3amu","created_at_utc_A":1639462120,"created_at_utc_B":1639457533,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"\"Good to Great\" by Collins. It's less of a how-to than an analysis of why some companies succeed. Might seem a bit dated (Circuit City is one of the \"Great\" companies) but the book makes the point that just because a company succeeded once doesn't mean it won't fail on the future.","human_ref_B":"If you're looking for nuts and bolts, this isn't the right one, but if you're looking for strategic perspective on management, I recommend \"The Living Company\". I read it as part of management training early in my career and the principles of what it takes to act like a living, long-lasting company vs. the pitfalls of acting purely as an economic company have inspired decisions for 30+ years. If you're able to work your way into a position of influence, it could stand you in good stead. On the nuts and bolts side, I found a lot of good stuff in Maister's \"Managing the Professional Services Firm\".","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4587.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"rfwxhw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What engineering management books do you recommend? I've already read \"High Output Management\" by Andrew S. Grove (Cofounder of Intel), I liked it a lot and the company i work at seems to follow much of what he recommends. I've been an engineering manager at a very small company (about 25 employees total) so basically just winged it while reading about project management. But now I'm at a big company as an individual contributor. We have 10k+ employees and it seems that the best career path upwards is engineering management. Sure, we have a technical engineering track, but the economic upside potential isn't that high.What other engineering management books do you recommend?","c_root_id_A":"hohhigv","c_root_id_B":"hogt8ut","created_at_utc_A":1639466616,"created_at_utc_B":1639452605,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"The Goal, by Eliyahu M. Goldratt - somewhat strangely it's a novel, but one with a plot and message very focused around strategies to improve engineering efficiency. I was skeptical of the idea when it was recommended to me, but having read it I'm now often on the other side of the conversation recommending an improbable sounding book!","human_ref_B":"Their is a course called \u201cListen like a leader\u201d that everyone in management at the company I work for goes through. Maybe your workplace can offer something like that?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14011.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"rfwxhw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What engineering management books do you recommend? I've already read \"High Output Management\" by Andrew S. Grove (Cofounder of Intel), I liked it a lot and the company i work at seems to follow much of what he recommends. I've been an engineering manager at a very small company (about 25 employees total) so basically just winged it while reading about project management. But now I'm at a big company as an individual contributor. We have 10k+ employees and it seems that the best career path upwards is engineering management. Sure, we have a technical engineering track, but the economic upside potential isn't that high.What other engineering management books do you recommend?","c_root_id_A":"hohhigv","c_root_id_B":"hoh3amu","created_at_utc_A":1639466616,"created_at_utc_B":1639457533,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"The Goal, by Eliyahu M. Goldratt - somewhat strangely it's a novel, but one with a plot and message very focused around strategies to improve engineering efficiency. I was skeptical of the idea when it was recommended to me, but having read it I'm now often on the other side of the conversation recommending an improbable sounding book!","human_ref_B":"If you're looking for nuts and bolts, this isn't the right one, but if you're looking for strategic perspective on management, I recommend \"The Living Company\". I read it as part of management training early in my career and the principles of what it takes to act like a living, long-lasting company vs. the pitfalls of acting purely as an economic company have inspired decisions for 30+ years. If you're able to work your way into a position of influence, it could stand you in good stead. On the nuts and bolts side, I found a lot of good stuff in Maister's \"Managing the Professional Services Firm\".","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9083.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"vgmb0a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"How does a self-leveling gyroscopic pool table work? Perhaps some of you saw this popular post. My question doesn't really pertain to a gyroscopic, but more so the motors that control the movement of the table. How is the table's movement controlled with such precision, considering it is a fairly heavy object? In my day job, I'm not the guy sizing motors for equipment, so this might be an easy question for someone like that.","c_root_id_A":"id2bp3h","c_root_id_B":"id2anmh","created_at_utc_A":1655736331,"created_at_utc_B":1655735848,"score_A":23,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I've always thought this is probably a passive system\u2014no motors. Instead, I'd expect a large counterweight that moves the center of mass way lower on this table. Then, you just need a gyroscope and some dampers to keep the movement smooth.","human_ref_B":"I have a similar device in my hardware laboratory. It is basically a large anti vibration optical table that is floating on 4 large air cylinders, and has limit switches that ensure the table is properly centered. We do not have a moving surface as our lab is in a building, but I assume you can use a similar system for this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":483.0,"score_ratio":2.875} +{"post_id":"vgmb0a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"How does a self-leveling gyroscopic pool table work? Perhaps some of you saw this popular post. My question doesn't really pertain to a gyroscopic, but more so the motors that control the movement of the table. How is the table's movement controlled with such precision, considering it is a fairly heavy object? In my day job, I'm not the guy sizing motors for equipment, so this might be an easy question for someone like that.","c_root_id_A":"id2pyh3","c_root_id_B":"id2h1ot","created_at_utc_A":1655742578,"created_at_utc_B":1655738726,"score_A":19,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"My guess would actually be hydraulics rather than it being motor driven. With motors, you likely wouldn't get the smooth motion needed for this application. (And I've seen a number of self-leveling tables that use hydraulics, so it's an educated guess). Arm it with a PID controller tuned to output low jerk motion and you're set.","human_ref_B":"From a mechanical perspective, one could go way overboard and start with something like a hexapod: https:\/\/youtu.be\/V8sGAispxbo It has more degrees of freedom than are needed for this particular problem though. Here, you just need a pitch axis and a roll axis. Think of it like a playground see saw, with another see saw mounted on the first. Each see saw has a hydraulic cylinder controlling it. The pool table has tilt sensors in the pitch and roll axes that feed back to a control system which moves the cylinders to keep the table level when the ship pitches or rolls. These cylinders likely have position feedback and could be sized to move 10\u2019s of tons with the same speed and accuracy you see. Large flight simulators use hexapod type arrangements that move several tons of \u201ccockpit\u201d with high accuracy and at considerable speed. https:\/\/youtu.be\/XLW-O90ZngQ","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3852.0,"score_ratio":1.9} +{"post_id":"vgmb0a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"How does a self-leveling gyroscopic pool table work? Perhaps some of you saw this popular post. My question doesn't really pertain to a gyroscopic, but more so the motors that control the movement of the table. How is the table's movement controlled with such precision, considering it is a fairly heavy object? In my day job, I'm not the guy sizing motors for equipment, so this might be an easy question for someone like that.","c_root_id_A":"id2pyh3","c_root_id_B":"id2anmh","created_at_utc_A":1655742578,"created_at_utc_B":1655735848,"score_A":19,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"My guess would actually be hydraulics rather than it being motor driven. With motors, you likely wouldn't get the smooth motion needed for this application. (And I've seen a number of self-leveling tables that use hydraulics, so it's an educated guess). Arm it with a PID controller tuned to output low jerk motion and you're set.","human_ref_B":"I have a similar device in my hardware laboratory. It is basically a large anti vibration optical table that is floating on 4 large air cylinders, and has limit switches that ensure the table is properly centered. We do not have a moving surface as our lab is in a building, but I assume you can use a similar system for this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6730.0,"score_ratio":2.375} +{"post_id":"vgmb0a","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"How does a self-leveling gyroscopic pool table work? Perhaps some of you saw this popular post. My question doesn't really pertain to a gyroscopic, but more so the motors that control the movement of the table. How is the table's movement controlled with such precision, considering it is a fairly heavy object? In my day job, I'm not the guy sizing motors for equipment, so this might be an easy question for someone like that.","c_root_id_A":"id2h1ot","c_root_id_B":"id2anmh","created_at_utc_A":1655738726,"created_at_utc_B":1655735848,"score_A":10,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"From a mechanical perspective, one could go way overboard and start with something like a hexapod: https:\/\/youtu.be\/V8sGAispxbo It has more degrees of freedom than are needed for this particular problem though. Here, you just need a pitch axis and a roll axis. Think of it like a playground see saw, with another see saw mounted on the first. Each see saw has a hydraulic cylinder controlling it. The pool table has tilt sensors in the pitch and roll axes that feed back to a control system which moves the cylinders to keep the table level when the ship pitches or rolls. These cylinders likely have position feedback and could be sized to move 10\u2019s of tons with the same speed and accuracy you see. Large flight simulators use hexapod type arrangements that move several tons of \u201ccockpit\u201d with high accuracy and at considerable speed. https:\/\/youtu.be\/XLW-O90ZngQ","human_ref_B":"I have a similar device in my hardware laboratory. It is basically a large anti vibration optical table that is floating on 4 large air cylinders, and has limit switches that ensure the table is properly centered. We do not have a moving surface as our lab is in a building, but I assume you can use a similar system for this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2878.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"psoa3f","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How many jobs did you go through untill you found the one that you enjoyed?","c_root_id_A":"hdqzoie","c_root_id_B":"hdqxju0","created_at_utc_A":1632249399,"created_at_utc_B":1632248514,"score_A":28,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I enjoyed them all. Doesn't mean that I won't look elsewhere.","human_ref_B":"Lots, and lots x5. Some are boring and arduous, others are startups and dynamic\/exciting. You have to take into account though how much risk you're willing to take on startups though as they often fail or slowly die, other times you get lucky and gain a lot of experience and new skills bolstering your career and resume not to mention bank account when bennies include stock options. Short answer- there never is \"that one job\", there's always the next adventure.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":885.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"psoa3f","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How many jobs did you go through untill you found the one that you enjoyed?","c_root_id_A":"hdqzoie","c_root_id_B":"hdqxdg9","created_at_utc_A":1632249399,"created_at_utc_B":1632248442,"score_A":28,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I enjoyed them all. Doesn't mean that I won't look elsewhere.","human_ref_B":"Went through a rough one, a bad one, and now am working at something close enough to my dream job that I'm sticking with it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":957.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"psoa3f","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How many jobs did you go through untill you found the one that you enjoyed?","c_root_id_A":"hdref41","c_root_id_B":"hdqxju0","created_at_utc_A":1632255463,"created_at_utc_B":1632248514,"score_A":13,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ll let you know.","human_ref_B":"Lots, and lots x5. Some are boring and arduous, others are startups and dynamic\/exciting. You have to take into account though how much risk you're willing to take on startups though as they often fail or slowly die, other times you get lucky and gain a lot of experience and new skills bolstering your career and resume not to mention bank account when bennies include stock options. Short answer- there never is \"that one job\", there's always the next adventure.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6949.0,"score_ratio":1.625} +{"post_id":"psoa3f","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How many jobs did you go through untill you found the one that you enjoyed?","c_root_id_A":"hdref41","c_root_id_B":"hdqxdg9","created_at_utc_A":1632255463,"created_at_utc_B":1632248442,"score_A":13,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ll let you know.","human_ref_B":"Went through a rough one, a bad one, and now am working at something close enough to my dream job that I'm sticking with it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7021.0,"score_ratio":1.8571428571} +{"post_id":"psoa3f","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How many jobs did you go through untill you found the one that you enjoyed?","c_root_id_A":"hdr14xa","c_root_id_B":"hdref41","created_at_utc_A":1632250009,"created_at_utc_B":1632255463,"score_A":3,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I didn't mind my first job. Was there ~3.5 years. It was more the part of the country I really found depressing. Been at my second real gig here for ~11 years. Pretty happy with it.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019ll let you know.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5454.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333} +{"post_id":"psoa3f","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How many jobs did you go through untill you found the one that you enjoyed?","c_root_id_A":"hdr0pbs","c_root_id_B":"hdref41","created_at_utc_A":1632249827,"created_at_utc_B":1632255463,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"enjoy? ill let you know when i get there. can deal with so far? about 4-5","human_ref_B":"I\u2019ll let you know.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5636.0,"score_ratio":6.5} +{"post_id":"psoa3f","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How many jobs did you go through untill you found the one that you enjoyed?","c_root_id_A":"hdqxju0","c_root_id_B":"hdqxdg9","created_at_utc_A":1632248514,"created_at_utc_B":1632248442,"score_A":8,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Lots, and lots x5. Some are boring and arduous, others are startups and dynamic\/exciting. You have to take into account though how much risk you're willing to take on startups though as they often fail or slowly die, other times you get lucky and gain a lot of experience and new skills bolstering your career and resume not to mention bank account when bennies include stock options. Short answer- there never is \"that one job\", there's always the next adventure.","human_ref_B":"Went through a rough one, a bad one, and now am working at something close enough to my dream job that I'm sticking with it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":72.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} +{"post_id":"psoa3f","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How many jobs did you go through untill you found the one that you enjoyed?","c_root_id_A":"hdr0pbs","c_root_id_B":"hdr14xa","created_at_utc_A":1632249827,"created_at_utc_B":1632250009,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"enjoy? ill let you know when i get there. can deal with so far? about 4-5","human_ref_B":"I didn't mind my first job. Was there ~3.5 years. It was more the part of the country I really found depressing. Been at my second real gig here for ~11 years. Pretty happy with it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":182.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"405r4b","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Elon Musk... and the hype around him, is he an engineer? something that i been wanting to know many people compare Elon to Tony Stark...and while I believe Elon is a smart guy the comparison always seemed odd to me in the comics Tony Stark is considered not only as a buisnessman but one of the worlds greatest minds, and the world's greatest engineer Elon is a brilliant businessman, but is he an engineer, its not like he works on the projects at Tesla and Spacex by its self?","c_root_id_A":"cyrp2qi","c_root_id_B":"cyrrham","created_at_utc_A":1452337533,"created_at_utc_B":1452347327,"score_A":104,"score_B":116,"human_ref_A":"Musk is a physicist by degree, and a self-taught engineer. He apparently taught himself a lot about aerospace engineering by ... reading textbooks surprise surprise.","human_ref_B":"People compare Musk to Tony Stark because its fun to do. Obviously he can never match a fictional character. The interesting thing about Elon is that he is not just a Steve Jobs type - someone who is great at pushing his experts to create, but Elon also has the knowledge to work directly with them. His physics degree (which easily could have become a doctorate if he stayed in his graduate program) and his reported ability to quickly memorize entire textbooks and be able to retain everything in order to converse with experts gives him all the engineering and technical knowledge he needs. He is not Tony Stark, doing complex projects by himself in his basement, because that is not how the world works. Instead, he has built a team of experts which he can converse with directly and fluently about the most technical aspects of the project. I would call him a brilliant businessman and a brilliant engineer. If people call me an engineer, with my Mech E degree and little experience, I certainly have to call Musk one.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9794.0,"score_ratio":1.1153846154} +{"post_id":"405r4b","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Elon Musk... and the hype around him, is he an engineer? something that i been wanting to know many people compare Elon to Tony Stark...and while I believe Elon is a smart guy the comparison always seemed odd to me in the comics Tony Stark is considered not only as a buisnessman but one of the worlds greatest minds, and the world's greatest engineer Elon is a brilliant businessman, but is he an engineer, its not like he works on the projects at Tesla and Spacex by its self?","c_root_id_A":"cyrrham","c_root_id_B":"cyrq7uo","created_at_utc_A":1452347327,"created_at_utc_B":1452342663,"score_A":116,"score_B":59,"human_ref_A":"People compare Musk to Tony Stark because its fun to do. Obviously he can never match a fictional character. The interesting thing about Elon is that he is not just a Steve Jobs type - someone who is great at pushing his experts to create, but Elon also has the knowledge to work directly with them. His physics degree (which easily could have become a doctorate if he stayed in his graduate program) and his reported ability to quickly memorize entire textbooks and be able to retain everything in order to converse with experts gives him all the engineering and technical knowledge he needs. He is not Tony Stark, doing complex projects by himself in his basement, because that is not how the world works. Instead, he has built a team of experts which he can converse with directly and fluently about the most technical aspects of the project. I would call him a brilliant businessman and a brilliant engineer. If people call me an engineer, with my Mech E degree and little experience, I certainly have to call Musk one.","human_ref_B":"The entire cult of personality around figures like Musk is kind of gross. IMO let the product speak for itself.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4664.0,"score_ratio":1.9661016949} +{"post_id":"405r4b","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Elon Musk... and the hype around him, is he an engineer? something that i been wanting to know many people compare Elon to Tony Stark...and while I believe Elon is a smart guy the comparison always seemed odd to me in the comics Tony Stark is considered not only as a buisnessman but one of the worlds greatest minds, and the world's greatest engineer Elon is a brilliant businessman, but is he an engineer, its not like he works on the projects at Tesla and Spacex by its self?","c_root_id_A":"cyrrham","c_root_id_B":"cyrr895","created_at_utc_A":1452347327,"created_at_utc_B":1452346490,"score_A":116,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"People compare Musk to Tony Stark because its fun to do. Obviously he can never match a fictional character. The interesting thing about Elon is that he is not just a Steve Jobs type - someone who is great at pushing his experts to create, but Elon also has the knowledge to work directly with them. His physics degree (which easily could have become a doctorate if he stayed in his graduate program) and his reported ability to quickly memorize entire textbooks and be able to retain everything in order to converse with experts gives him all the engineering and technical knowledge he needs. He is not Tony Stark, doing complex projects by himself in his basement, because that is not how the world works. Instead, he has built a team of experts which he can converse with directly and fluently about the most technical aspects of the project. I would call him a brilliant businessman and a brilliant engineer. If people call me an engineer, with my Mech E degree and little experience, I certainly have to call Musk one.","human_ref_B":"Bill Gates -- is he an engineer? He dropped out of college. Steve Wozniak -- is he an engineer?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":837.0,"score_ratio":6.8235294118} +{"post_id":"405r4b","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Elon Musk... and the hype around him, is he an engineer? something that i been wanting to know many people compare Elon to Tony Stark...and while I believe Elon is a smart guy the comparison always seemed odd to me in the comics Tony Stark is considered not only as a buisnessman but one of the worlds greatest minds, and the world's greatest engineer Elon is a brilliant businessman, but is he an engineer, its not like he works on the projects at Tesla and Spacex by its self?","c_root_id_A":"cyrrham","c_root_id_B":"cyro5jm","created_at_utc_A":1452347327,"created_at_utc_B":1452333219,"score_A":116,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"People compare Musk to Tony Stark because its fun to do. Obviously he can never match a fictional character. The interesting thing about Elon is that he is not just a Steve Jobs type - someone who is great at pushing his experts to create, but Elon also has the knowledge to work directly with them. His physics degree (which easily could have become a doctorate if he stayed in his graduate program) and his reported ability to quickly memorize entire textbooks and be able to retain everything in order to converse with experts gives him all the engineering and technical knowledge he needs. He is not Tony Stark, doing complex projects by himself in his basement, because that is not how the world works. Instead, he has built a team of experts which he can converse with directly and fluently about the most technical aspects of the project. I would call him a brilliant businessman and a brilliant engineer. If people call me an engineer, with my Mech E degree and little experience, I certainly have to call Musk one.","human_ref_B":"As i understand he is also a product architect and gives considerable input in design decisions.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14108.0,"score_ratio":9.6666666667} +{"post_id":"405r4b","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Elon Musk... and the hype around him, is he an engineer? something that i been wanting to know many people compare Elon to Tony Stark...and while I believe Elon is a smart guy the comparison always seemed odd to me in the comics Tony Stark is considered not only as a buisnessman but one of the worlds greatest minds, and the world's greatest engineer Elon is a brilliant businessman, but is he an engineer, its not like he works on the projects at Tesla and Spacex by its self?","c_root_id_A":"cyro5jm","c_root_id_B":"cyrp2qi","created_at_utc_A":1452333219,"created_at_utc_B":1452337533,"score_A":12,"score_B":104,"human_ref_A":"As i understand he is also a product architect and gives considerable input in design decisions.","human_ref_B":"Musk is a physicist by degree, and a self-taught engineer. He apparently taught himself a lot about aerospace engineering by ... reading textbooks surprise surprise.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4314.0,"score_ratio":8.6666666667} +{"post_id":"405r4b","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Elon Musk... and the hype around him, is he an engineer? something that i been wanting to know many people compare Elon to Tony Stark...and while I believe Elon is a smart guy the comparison always seemed odd to me in the comics Tony Stark is considered not only as a buisnessman but one of the worlds greatest minds, and the world's greatest engineer Elon is a brilliant businessman, but is he an engineer, its not like he works on the projects at Tesla and Spacex by its self?","c_root_id_A":"cyrq7uo","c_root_id_B":"cyro5jm","created_at_utc_A":1452342663,"created_at_utc_B":1452333219,"score_A":59,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"The entire cult of personality around figures like Musk is kind of gross. IMO let the product speak for itself.","human_ref_B":"As i understand he is also a product architect and gives considerable input in design decisions.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9444.0,"score_ratio":4.9166666667} +{"post_id":"405r4b","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Elon Musk... and the hype around him, is he an engineer? something that i been wanting to know many people compare Elon to Tony Stark...and while I believe Elon is a smart guy the comparison always seemed odd to me in the comics Tony Stark is considered not only as a buisnessman but one of the worlds greatest minds, and the world's greatest engineer Elon is a brilliant businessman, but is he an engineer, its not like he works on the projects at Tesla and Spacex by its self?","c_root_id_A":"cyrr895","c_root_id_B":"cyro5jm","created_at_utc_A":1452346490,"created_at_utc_B":1452333219,"score_A":17,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Bill Gates -- is he an engineer? He dropped out of college. Steve Wozniak -- is he an engineer?","human_ref_B":"As i understand he is also a product architect and gives considerable input in design decisions.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13271.0,"score_ratio":1.4166666667} +{"post_id":"405r4b","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Elon Musk... and the hype around him, is he an engineer? something that i been wanting to know many people compare Elon to Tony Stark...and while I believe Elon is a smart guy the comparison always seemed odd to me in the comics Tony Stark is considered not only as a buisnessman but one of the worlds greatest minds, and the world's greatest engineer Elon is a brilliant businessman, but is he an engineer, its not like he works on the projects at Tesla and Spacex by its self?","c_root_id_A":"cyryahr","c_root_id_B":"cys4s9p","created_at_utc_A":1452362019,"created_at_utc_B":1452373178,"score_A":4,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"The hype around him revolves around the fact that he's willing to dream big, and he has the finances to bring those dreams into reality. After so many years (decades actually) of people in this country thinking small and thinking that things can simply not be done, its very exciting to see a person and his supporters thinking about big, seemingly impossible, projects. This is the type of thinking that made America great. Massive projects that inspired a whole generation. Hoover Dam, going to the moon, coast-to-coast highway system. Big massive projects.","human_ref_B":"This is just from me having read 20% of a biography about him. Note that this was not a biography by him and he originally did not even want to contribute to it. He did end up contributing, but the book is based upon interviews with hundreds of people and the writer makes very clear that it is not 'Musks truth'. He made his own rockets during his childhood, including rocket fuel. He coded a lot of stuff, releasing a video game at age 12 The only reason he ever studied anything is because he thought it was advantageous for him. He always visited the least amount of classes necessary, and only got good grades when he needed to. At first, he sucked at school. Then someone told him you need certain grades to advance. Next time he got the best grades possible. Other examples of this is him inquiring about the highest paying job possible and ending up shoveling out boilers in a hazmat suit for 18 dollars\/hour. He was one of 3\/18 to keep doing it after a week. If he has a goal, he works until he reaches it, no matter what anyone tells him. There are plenty of examples were engineers told him something is impossible, and he then went ahead and fixed the code behind their backs. With his first startup he worked 16, 18 hours a day, sleeping in front of the computer, instructing employees to kick him awake when they arrived at the office. He apparently takes active part in the design of SpaceX and Tesla components. As in, he actually stays up to date on everything and gives his input. He is definitely not just a CEO doing buisiness stuff in the background. Read his twitter and it will be apparent that he takes active part in the engineering side of things. In fact, he can be considered a pretty bad manager. If someone is wrong about something, using wrong equations or whatever, he is very brusque about correcting them. He expects everyone else to work as hard as he does, and is not really a charming, social, outgoing guy. It seems like the only reason people work for him is that they share his vision (to colonize mars).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11159.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"405r4b","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Elon Musk... and the hype around him, is he an engineer? something that i been wanting to know many people compare Elon to Tony Stark...and while I believe Elon is a smart guy the comparison always seemed odd to me in the comics Tony Stark is considered not only as a buisnessman but one of the worlds greatest minds, and the world's greatest engineer Elon is a brilliant businessman, but is he an engineer, its not like he works on the projects at Tesla and Spacex by its self?","c_root_id_A":"cys4s9p","c_root_id_B":"cyrxyjb","created_at_utc_A":1452373178,"created_at_utc_B":1452361433,"score_A":8,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This is just from me having read 20% of a biography about him. Note that this was not a biography by him and he originally did not even want to contribute to it. He did end up contributing, but the book is based upon interviews with hundreds of people and the writer makes very clear that it is not 'Musks truth'. He made his own rockets during his childhood, including rocket fuel. He coded a lot of stuff, releasing a video game at age 12 The only reason he ever studied anything is because he thought it was advantageous for him. He always visited the least amount of classes necessary, and only got good grades when he needed to. At first, he sucked at school. Then someone told him you need certain grades to advance. Next time he got the best grades possible. Other examples of this is him inquiring about the highest paying job possible and ending up shoveling out boilers in a hazmat suit for 18 dollars\/hour. He was one of 3\/18 to keep doing it after a week. If he has a goal, he works until he reaches it, no matter what anyone tells him. There are plenty of examples were engineers told him something is impossible, and he then went ahead and fixed the code behind their backs. With his first startup he worked 16, 18 hours a day, sleeping in front of the computer, instructing employees to kick him awake when they arrived at the office. He apparently takes active part in the design of SpaceX and Tesla components. As in, he actually stays up to date on everything and gives his input. He is definitely not just a CEO doing buisiness stuff in the background. Read his twitter and it will be apparent that he takes active part in the engineering side of things. In fact, he can be considered a pretty bad manager. If someone is wrong about something, using wrong equations or whatever, he is very brusque about correcting them. He expects everyone else to work as hard as he does, and is not really a charming, social, outgoing guy. It seems like the only reason people work for him is that they share his vision (to colonize mars).","human_ref_B":"He was doing his doctorate in physics when he began a leave of absence to start PayPal iirc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11745.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"405r4b","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Elon Musk... and the hype around him, is he an engineer? something that i been wanting to know many people compare Elon to Tony Stark...and while I believe Elon is a smart guy the comparison always seemed odd to me in the comics Tony Stark is considered not only as a buisnessman but one of the worlds greatest minds, and the world's greatest engineer Elon is a brilliant businessman, but is he an engineer, its not like he works on the projects at Tesla and Spacex by its self?","c_root_id_A":"cyrxyjb","c_root_id_B":"cyryahr","created_at_utc_A":1452361433,"created_at_utc_B":1452362019,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"He was doing his doctorate in physics when he began a leave of absence to start PayPal iirc.","human_ref_B":"The hype around him revolves around the fact that he's willing to dream big, and he has the finances to bring those dreams into reality. After so many years (decades actually) of people in this country thinking small and thinking that things can simply not be done, its very exciting to see a person and his supporters thinking about big, seemingly impossible, projects. This is the type of thinking that made America great. Massive projects that inspired a whole generation. Hoover Dam, going to the moon, coast-to-coast highway system. Big massive projects.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":586.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"405r4b","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Elon Musk... and the hype around him, is he an engineer? something that i been wanting to know many people compare Elon to Tony Stark...and while I believe Elon is a smart guy the comparison always seemed odd to me in the comics Tony Stark is considered not only as a buisnessman but one of the worlds greatest minds, and the world's greatest engineer Elon is a brilliant businessman, but is he an engineer, its not like he works on the projects at Tesla and Spacex by its self?","c_root_id_A":"cyrxyjb","c_root_id_B":"cysn3mg","created_at_utc_A":1452361433,"created_at_utc_B":1452405895,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"He was doing his doctorate in physics when he began a leave of absence to start PayPal iirc.","human_ref_B":"Musk knows when to consult someone with more expertise in a subject matter than himself. Which is the most underrated engineering quality of them all.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":44462.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"9x4um3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the longest you have waited for a job offer after being shortlisted? I applied for a position with a big company about a month ago, a few days later I had a phone interview with a recruiter. Interview went well and I was recommended to the hiring manager, and shortlisted just 2 days later. So now I've been shortlisted for 2 weeks and haven't heard anything from the company. I know that this particular position usually consists of several interviews and can take up to 2 months to receive an offer. This is all done online, and I check the status of the job daily on the website and it still says \"Shortlisted\". I really want this job as my current one is not helping me advance in my career at all, and it is important to keep learning. Is this a normal time frame? Am I just being impatient? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"e9pslyd","c_root_id_B":"e9pw407","created_at_utc_A":1542242044,"created_at_utc_B":1542245239,"score_A":2,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"It could be normal. Usually the hiring committee consists of other engineers who also have operational duties that could get in the way of them all getting together to have a hiring review. Alternatively and unfortunately they could be negotiating with their chosen candidate. They aren't going to inform you you didn't get it until they have someone nailed down. Try not to invest too much into any particular job - remember you are currently employed so even if it's not ideal you're in a powerful position.","human_ref_B":"2 months. At this point in time a lot of companies are doing interviews for next year's hiring. There's a reasonable chance your position isn\u2019t in the 2018 budget, but the 2019, so they'd be looking for a start date in early January. As annoying as this is, it's done a lot. Edit: Siemens, massive multinational conglomerate, posted approximately 8 different manager and director level roles by me in October. I received a call from one of their recruiters asking if I was interested as I fit more than one of the openings. I did a phone interview. Turns out none of these positions are actually open until next year. In person interviews aren't until December. I only know this because I've learned to always ask what the next step is and what the timing is. Otherwise I would've spent the last month figuring I'd been ghosted.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3195.0,"score_ratio":12.0} +{"post_id":"9x4um3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the longest you have waited for a job offer after being shortlisted? I applied for a position with a big company about a month ago, a few days later I had a phone interview with a recruiter. Interview went well and I was recommended to the hiring manager, and shortlisted just 2 days later. So now I've been shortlisted for 2 weeks and haven't heard anything from the company. I know that this particular position usually consists of several interviews and can take up to 2 months to receive an offer. This is all done online, and I check the status of the job daily on the website and it still says \"Shortlisted\". I really want this job as my current one is not helping me advance in my career at all, and it is important to keep learning. Is this a normal time frame? Am I just being impatient? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"e9pslyd","c_root_id_B":"e9pxbhc","created_at_utc_A":1542242044,"created_at_utc_B":1542246332,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"It could be normal. Usually the hiring committee consists of other engineers who also have operational duties that could get in the way of them all getting together to have a hiring review. Alternatively and unfortunately they could be negotiating with their chosen candidate. They aren't going to inform you you didn't get it until they have someone nailed down. Try not to invest too much into any particular job - remember you are currently employed so even if it's not ideal you're in a powerful position.","human_ref_B":"Just to give you a frame of reference, for my current job I applied in February or March, had onsite interviews in late June and started in August. Every company will do things differently, some go especially slow.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4288.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"9x4um3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the longest you have waited for a job offer after being shortlisted? I applied for a position with a big company about a month ago, a few days later I had a phone interview with a recruiter. Interview went well and I was recommended to the hiring manager, and shortlisted just 2 days later. So now I've been shortlisted for 2 weeks and haven't heard anything from the company. I know that this particular position usually consists of several interviews and can take up to 2 months to receive an offer. This is all done online, and I check the status of the job daily on the website and it still says \"Shortlisted\". I really want this job as my current one is not helping me advance in my career at all, and it is important to keep learning. Is this a normal time frame? Am I just being impatient? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"e9q0zos","c_root_id_B":"e9pslyd","created_at_utc_A":1542249654,"created_at_utc_B":1542242044,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"2 years and 4 months. I applied to a job got interviewed and informally offered the job. They were gonna extend me a job offer when the company had a bad year financially. They went on a hiring freeze. 2 years later they called me that the freeze was lifted but I'd have to interview and everything again. I really wanted to leave my old job when I had 1st applied so I took a 2nd job offer I had at a different company. I left the job I worked at for 2 years to come to the company that called me back. Looking back the 1st job I wanted to leave was the best job I've ever had and best company. The 2nd job was great too and I miss it. I really grew and learned stuff in the role. The 3rd job and company is the worst. I hate it so much. Now I'm stuck.","human_ref_B":"It could be normal. Usually the hiring committee consists of other engineers who also have operational duties that could get in the way of them all getting together to have a hiring review. Alternatively and unfortunately they could be negotiating with their chosen candidate. They aren't going to inform you you didn't get it until they have someone nailed down. Try not to invest too much into any particular job - remember you are currently employed so even if it's not ideal you're in a powerful position.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7610.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"9x4um3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the longest you have waited for a job offer after being shortlisted? I applied for a position with a big company about a month ago, a few days later I had a phone interview with a recruiter. Interview went well and I was recommended to the hiring manager, and shortlisted just 2 days later. So now I've been shortlisted for 2 weeks and haven't heard anything from the company. I know that this particular position usually consists of several interviews and can take up to 2 months to receive an offer. This is all done online, and I check the status of the job daily on the website and it still says \"Shortlisted\". I really want this job as my current one is not helping me advance in my career at all, and it is important to keep learning. Is this a normal time frame? Am I just being impatient? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"e9qd8uu","c_root_id_B":"e9pslyd","created_at_utc_A":1542262738,"created_at_utc_B":1542242044,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"11 months. government agency. applied in march reponse to get tested in june results\/interview in september follwed up in December Offer in February.","human_ref_B":"It could be normal. Usually the hiring committee consists of other engineers who also have operational duties that could get in the way of them all getting together to have a hiring review. Alternatively and unfortunately they could be negotiating with their chosen candidate. They aren't going to inform you you didn't get it until they have someone nailed down. Try not to invest too much into any particular job - remember you are currently employed so even if it's not ideal you're in a powerful position.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20694.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"9x4um3","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the longest you have waited for a job offer after being shortlisted? I applied for a position with a big company about a month ago, a few days later I had a phone interview with a recruiter. Interview went well and I was recommended to the hiring manager, and shortlisted just 2 days later. So now I've been shortlisted for 2 weeks and haven't heard anything from the company. I know that this particular position usually consists of several interviews and can take up to 2 months to receive an offer. This is all done online, and I check the status of the job daily on the website and it still says \"Shortlisted\". I really want this job as my current one is not helping me advance in my career at all, and it is important to keep learning. Is this a normal time frame? Am I just being impatient? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"e9qd8uu","c_root_id_B":"e9q160t","created_at_utc_A":1542262738,"created_at_utc_B":1542249815,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"11 months. government agency. applied in march reponse to get tested in june results\/interview in september follwed up in December Offer in February.","human_ref_B":"I had a similar situation years ago. Had and ok interview but didn't hear anything definitive. I called them and spoke to and HR rep. Told them I had another offer on the table and that I didn't need an offer right away, but I did need to know if it was a 'no'. This sped up their process considerably. Got a call from the hiring manager saying they were going to make me an offer, but it would take some time. Still working for that company today.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12923.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"y9z2u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Old farts - what are your biggest regrets during your engineering career?","c_root_id_A":"c5tssod","c_root_id_B":"c5tszoz","created_at_utc_A":1345077472,"created_at_utc_B":1345078199,"score_A":18,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"I'll repeat the \"get it in writing\" comment because it can't be repeated enough. Second, for something original, I am most proud of the work I have done that is more \"sciency\" than \"producty\". Far more creativity was applied and the results were more rewarding. If you are on an endless product treadmill you will wake up one day and ask why you wasted your life. Don't squander your problem solving talents \"making it happen\" in an organization that can't get it's act together. It feels great to be the hero in a land of schmucks but ultimately it's not worthwhile. ie. only work for people who are better organized (which doesn't mean stiflingly bureaucratic) than you are.","human_ref_B":"When you're young and dumb, fresh out of college, sign up for some risky assignments. When you're older and have a house, wife, kids, etc etc, it becomes much more difficult to take on assignments that may require you to relocate for periods of time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":727.0,"score_ratio":1.2222222222} +{"post_id":"y9z2u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Old farts - what are your biggest regrets during your engineering career?","c_root_id_A":"c5tvf1f","c_root_id_B":"c5tvc65","created_at_utc_A":1345087187,"created_at_utc_B":1345086899,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Not me, but my dad (I'm studying to be an industrial engineer right now). He used to be a mechanical engineer back in Philippines working at a geothermal plant. He designed this pump for emergency shut offs but never got it patented. And then apparently a few years later the pump started showing up everywhere around the world.","human_ref_B":"I was a communications system design engineer. I regret that most of the systems I designed were technical successes but business failures. As an engineer, you're usually dependent on others to determine what to build and how it's sold. Those are critical aspects of business success.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":288.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667} +{"post_id":"mucznl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Will I ever get a job in engineering 2 questions and my guess: Q1: If the probability density function (PDF) starts early in education, how fucked am I at getting a job related to engineering? Q2: Are people that graduating with engineering degrees that never get any job related to engineering? about me: Electrical Engineering degree, graduated 11 months ago, 1 internship not related to engineering. my guess: the average time would be the peak of the PDF at 6 months after graduation within 30% of this time frame, I forgot what sigma that was (2 or 3 maybe). I read\/heard from sources that this is 6 months after graduation. I think I am at the tail end of this distribution because I see job posts about \"must have completed degree within a year of graduating\". any advice to help guide me to get a job related to engineering would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"gv590xc","c_root_id_B":"gv5npve","created_at_utc_A":1618877313,"created_at_utc_B":1618884863,"score_A":8,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Field Service Engineer...","human_ref_B":"Sir, you have indicated you have poor social skills. Unfortunately, many engineers do. But there\u2019s a select few of us that can flip a switch in the interview. After that, it\u2019s gravy and maintenance of your image. If you cannot pass the interview you must conquer the root cause. Get a job doing anything for now. Preferably one that puts you around people. Figure out what industry you wanna work in, and work on projects in exactly that. Keep applying for jobs Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7550.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mucznl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Will I ever get a job in engineering 2 questions and my guess: Q1: If the probability density function (PDF) starts early in education, how fucked am I at getting a job related to engineering? Q2: Are people that graduating with engineering degrees that never get any job related to engineering? about me: Electrical Engineering degree, graduated 11 months ago, 1 internship not related to engineering. my guess: the average time would be the peak of the PDF at 6 months after graduation within 30% of this time frame, I forgot what sigma that was (2 or 3 maybe). I read\/heard from sources that this is 6 months after graduation. I think I am at the tail end of this distribution because I see job posts about \"must have completed degree within a year of graduating\". any advice to help guide me to get a job related to engineering would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"gv57g3e","c_root_id_B":"gv5npve","created_at_utc_A":1618876509,"created_at_utc_B":1618884863,"score_A":3,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"where are you, and how broadly are you applying? Across the country and across industries? Try going in for a coding role, or maybe controls - there's a lot of those around.","human_ref_B":"Sir, you have indicated you have poor social skills. Unfortunately, many engineers do. But there\u2019s a select few of us that can flip a switch in the interview. After that, it\u2019s gravy and maintenance of your image. If you cannot pass the interview you must conquer the root cause. Get a job doing anything for now. Preferably one that puts you around people. Figure out what industry you wanna work in, and work on projects in exactly that. Keep applying for jobs Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8354.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"mucznl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Will I ever get a job in engineering 2 questions and my guess: Q1: If the probability density function (PDF) starts early in education, how fucked am I at getting a job related to engineering? Q2: Are people that graduating with engineering degrees that never get any job related to engineering? about me: Electrical Engineering degree, graduated 11 months ago, 1 internship not related to engineering. my guess: the average time would be the peak of the PDF at 6 months after graduation within 30% of this time frame, I forgot what sigma that was (2 or 3 maybe). I read\/heard from sources that this is 6 months after graduation. I think I am at the tail end of this distribution because I see job posts about \"must have completed degree within a year of graduating\". any advice to help guide me to get a job related to engineering would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"gv5npve","c_root_id_B":"gv5chtx","created_at_utc_A":1618884863,"created_at_utc_B":1618879081,"score_A":12,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Sir, you have indicated you have poor social skills. Unfortunately, many engineers do. But there\u2019s a select few of us that can flip a switch in the interview. After that, it\u2019s gravy and maintenance of your image. If you cannot pass the interview you must conquer the root cause. Get a job doing anything for now. Preferably one that puts you around people. Figure out what industry you wanna work in, and work on projects in exactly that. Keep applying for jobs Good luck!","human_ref_B":"Engineering is such a broad field even when it's filtered by Electrical. When I went to college to get an Electrical Engineering degree I thought I'd end up working on electronics somewhere, who knows what kind of electronics. I'm currently working at an electrical consulting firm designing how industrial facilities will power their electrical equipment. I also do residential street lighting design. My point being, unless there's something specific in this field you want to be working on, don't limit where you're looking if you want something \"related to engineering\". You could go to the website of the city you currently live in or cities nearby to see if they're hiring. They need people to maintain the electrical equipment at their facilities. You could search for electrical consulting firms in your area. As another user mentioned, interviews are also important. Resumes should be custom tailored to each job you apply for using key words from the job posting, otherwise it could get filtered out. I've even been told to use phrases like \"looking forward to gaining experience with xyz\" so the words \"experience with xyz\" get your resume on the table without you lying about having experience. And just because you don't have experience specifically related to engineering, you still developed skills that can be beneficial. For example: communication, teamwork, critical thinking, a good work ethic, etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5782.0,"score_ratio":6.0} +{"post_id":"mucznl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Will I ever get a job in engineering 2 questions and my guess: Q1: If the probability density function (PDF) starts early in education, how fucked am I at getting a job related to engineering? Q2: Are people that graduating with engineering degrees that never get any job related to engineering? about me: Electrical Engineering degree, graduated 11 months ago, 1 internship not related to engineering. my guess: the average time would be the peak of the PDF at 6 months after graduation within 30% of this time frame, I forgot what sigma that was (2 or 3 maybe). I read\/heard from sources that this is 6 months after graduation. I think I am at the tail end of this distribution because I see job posts about \"must have completed degree within a year of graduating\". any advice to help guide me to get a job related to engineering would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"gv590xc","c_root_id_B":"gv57g3e","created_at_utc_A":1618877313,"created_at_utc_B":1618876509,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Field Service Engineer...","human_ref_B":"where are you, and how broadly are you applying? Across the country and across industries? Try going in for a coding role, or maybe controls - there's a lot of those around.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":804.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667} +{"post_id":"mucznl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Will I ever get a job in engineering 2 questions and my guess: Q1: If the probability density function (PDF) starts early in education, how fucked am I at getting a job related to engineering? Q2: Are people that graduating with engineering degrees that never get any job related to engineering? about me: Electrical Engineering degree, graduated 11 months ago, 1 internship not related to engineering. my guess: the average time would be the peak of the PDF at 6 months after graduation within 30% of this time frame, I forgot what sigma that was (2 or 3 maybe). I read\/heard from sources that this is 6 months after graduation. I think I am at the tail end of this distribution because I see job posts about \"must have completed degree within a year of graduating\". any advice to help guide me to get a job related to engineering would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"gv5pnvk","c_root_id_B":"gv5chtx","created_at_utc_A":1618885893,"created_at_utc_B":1618879081,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My (big name) place just hired an EE that was a few years out of school with only technician experience. So yeah it's certainly possible, but I'd definitely recommend working some lower level technical job while you apply for engineering positions. Non-technical positions will not do you any favors and zero experience would be a deal breaker for most employers.","human_ref_B":"Engineering is such a broad field even when it's filtered by Electrical. When I went to college to get an Electrical Engineering degree I thought I'd end up working on electronics somewhere, who knows what kind of electronics. I'm currently working at an electrical consulting firm designing how industrial facilities will power their electrical equipment. I also do residential street lighting design. My point being, unless there's something specific in this field you want to be working on, don't limit where you're looking if you want something \"related to engineering\". You could go to the website of the city you currently live in or cities nearby to see if they're hiring. They need people to maintain the electrical equipment at their facilities. You could search for electrical consulting firms in your area. As another user mentioned, interviews are also important. Resumes should be custom tailored to each job you apply for using key words from the job posting, otherwise it could get filtered out. I've even been told to use phrases like \"looking forward to gaining experience with xyz\" so the words \"experience with xyz\" get your resume on the table without you lying about having experience. And just because you don't have experience specifically related to engineering, you still developed skills that can be beneficial. For example: communication, teamwork, critical thinking, a good work ethic, etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6812.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mucznl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Will I ever get a job in engineering 2 questions and my guess: Q1: If the probability density function (PDF) starts early in education, how fucked am I at getting a job related to engineering? Q2: Are people that graduating with engineering degrees that never get any job related to engineering? about me: Electrical Engineering degree, graduated 11 months ago, 1 internship not related to engineering. my guess: the average time would be the peak of the PDF at 6 months after graduation within 30% of this time frame, I forgot what sigma that was (2 or 3 maybe). I read\/heard from sources that this is 6 months after graduation. I think I am at the tail end of this distribution because I see job posts about \"must have completed degree within a year of graduating\". any advice to help guide me to get a job related to engineering would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"gv5uxqb","c_root_id_B":"gv5chtx","created_at_utc_A":1618888835,"created_at_utc_B":1618879081,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Just keep applying. took me 600+ applications!","human_ref_B":"Engineering is such a broad field even when it's filtered by Electrical. When I went to college to get an Electrical Engineering degree I thought I'd end up working on electronics somewhere, who knows what kind of electronics. I'm currently working at an electrical consulting firm designing how industrial facilities will power their electrical equipment. I also do residential street lighting design. My point being, unless there's something specific in this field you want to be working on, don't limit where you're looking if you want something \"related to engineering\". You could go to the website of the city you currently live in or cities nearby to see if they're hiring. They need people to maintain the electrical equipment at their facilities. You could search for electrical consulting firms in your area. As another user mentioned, interviews are also important. Resumes should be custom tailored to each job you apply for using key words from the job posting, otherwise it could get filtered out. I've even been told to use phrases like \"looking forward to gaining experience with xyz\" so the words \"experience with xyz\" get your resume on the table without you lying about having experience. And just because you don't have experience specifically related to engineering, you still developed skills that can be beneficial. For example: communication, teamwork, critical thinking, a good work ethic, etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9754.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mucznl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Will I ever get a job in engineering 2 questions and my guess: Q1: If the probability density function (PDF) starts early in education, how fucked am I at getting a job related to engineering? Q2: Are people that graduating with engineering degrees that never get any job related to engineering? about me: Electrical Engineering degree, graduated 11 months ago, 1 internship not related to engineering. my guess: the average time would be the peak of the PDF at 6 months after graduation within 30% of this time frame, I forgot what sigma that was (2 or 3 maybe). I read\/heard from sources that this is 6 months after graduation. I think I am at the tail end of this distribution because I see job posts about \"must have completed degree within a year of graduating\". any advice to help guide me to get a job related to engineering would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"gv5uxqb","c_root_id_B":"gv5qdh8","created_at_utc_A":1618888835,"created_at_utc_B":1618886274,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Just keep applying. took me 600+ applications!","human_ref_B":"Here are some general interviewing tips that helped me out backed when I graduated: \\- Make an engineering portfolio to showcase projects that you have worked on. Print out a physical copy and bring it to interviews\/screen share. It'll give you something to talk about and is a way that you can show your skills instead of just telling someone about them. \\- Send a short thank you email to follow up post interview. It might not seem like much, but for some people it demonstrates politeness and in general it is always nice to be acknowledged. Keep it short and sweet and don't use it as an attempt to sell yourself any further. \\- Consider practicing the STAR method for answering interview questions. For some it helps to give a definite structure to their responses and may be beneficial if you have difficulties keeping your responses flowing naturally during interviews. Other than that, unless you have some good networking, getting the interview is a numbers game. (at least it was for me) Send out lots of applications. Writing cover letters that are tailored to each position is nice, if you can try to address all of the position requirements if you go that route. Otherwise, just write a general cover letter and send out lots of applications. I don't know if you're trying to get a design job, but consider other areas and smaller companies as well, including operating and maintaining industrial equipment. My perception is that there is a pretty good amount of demand for electrical engineers in those sorts of positions. It might not be what you ultimately want, but you can always jump to something else later once you have a bit of experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2561.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mucznl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Will I ever get a job in engineering 2 questions and my guess: Q1: If the probability density function (PDF) starts early in education, how fucked am I at getting a job related to engineering? Q2: Are people that graduating with engineering degrees that never get any job related to engineering? about me: Electrical Engineering degree, graduated 11 months ago, 1 internship not related to engineering. my guess: the average time would be the peak of the PDF at 6 months after graduation within 30% of this time frame, I forgot what sigma that was (2 or 3 maybe). I read\/heard from sources that this is 6 months after graduation. I think I am at the tail end of this distribution because I see job posts about \"must have completed degree within a year of graduating\". any advice to help guide me to get a job related to engineering would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"gv5chtx","c_root_id_B":"gv5w0j2","created_at_utc_A":1618879081,"created_at_utc_B":1618889461,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Engineering is such a broad field even when it's filtered by Electrical. When I went to college to get an Electrical Engineering degree I thought I'd end up working on electronics somewhere, who knows what kind of electronics. I'm currently working at an electrical consulting firm designing how industrial facilities will power their electrical equipment. I also do residential street lighting design. My point being, unless there's something specific in this field you want to be working on, don't limit where you're looking if you want something \"related to engineering\". You could go to the website of the city you currently live in or cities nearby to see if they're hiring. They need people to maintain the electrical equipment at their facilities. You could search for electrical consulting firms in your area. As another user mentioned, interviews are also important. Resumes should be custom tailored to each job you apply for using key words from the job posting, otherwise it could get filtered out. I've even been told to use phrases like \"looking forward to gaining experience with xyz\" so the words \"experience with xyz\" get your resume on the table without you lying about having experience. And just because you don't have experience specifically related to engineering, you still developed skills that can be beneficial. For example: communication, teamwork, critical thinking, a good work ethic, etc.","human_ref_B":"Old guy here. Engineer. I\u2019ve probably hired 100 people in my career to date. Here\u2019s the dirty little secret of getting hired: people tend to hire people that they want to have as a coworker. They tend to want coworkers that are bright, interesting and friendly. If you come off as a bright go-getter, people will believe that you can learn whatever you need to learn when you need to learn it. Make your resume interesting and attractive! The reader should come away thinking about interesting questions to ask when they interview you in person. This may sound super hokey, but how to Win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie was pretty useful in helping me to figure out the people stuff.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10380.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mucznl","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"Will I ever get a job in engineering 2 questions and my guess: Q1: If the probability density function (PDF) starts early in education, how fucked am I at getting a job related to engineering? Q2: Are people that graduating with engineering degrees that never get any job related to engineering? about me: Electrical Engineering degree, graduated 11 months ago, 1 internship not related to engineering. my guess: the average time would be the peak of the PDF at 6 months after graduation within 30% of this time frame, I forgot what sigma that was (2 or 3 maybe). I read\/heard from sources that this is 6 months after graduation. I think I am at the tail end of this distribution because I see job posts about \"must have completed degree within a year of graduating\". any advice to help guide me to get a job related to engineering would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"gv5qdh8","c_root_id_B":"gv5w0j2","created_at_utc_A":1618886274,"created_at_utc_B":1618889461,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Here are some general interviewing tips that helped me out backed when I graduated: \\- Make an engineering portfolio to showcase projects that you have worked on. Print out a physical copy and bring it to interviews\/screen share. It'll give you something to talk about and is a way that you can show your skills instead of just telling someone about them. \\- Send a short thank you email to follow up post interview. It might not seem like much, but for some people it demonstrates politeness and in general it is always nice to be acknowledged. Keep it short and sweet and don't use it as an attempt to sell yourself any further. \\- Consider practicing the STAR method for answering interview questions. For some it helps to give a definite structure to their responses and may be beneficial if you have difficulties keeping your responses flowing naturally during interviews. Other than that, unless you have some good networking, getting the interview is a numbers game. (at least it was for me) Send out lots of applications. Writing cover letters that are tailored to each position is nice, if you can try to address all of the position requirements if you go that route. Otherwise, just write a general cover letter and send out lots of applications. I don't know if you're trying to get a design job, but consider other areas and smaller companies as well, including operating and maintaining industrial equipment. My perception is that there is a pretty good amount of demand for electrical engineers in those sorts of positions. It might not be what you ultimately want, but you can always jump to something else later once you have a bit of experience.","human_ref_B":"Old guy here. Engineer. I\u2019ve probably hired 100 people in my career to date. Here\u2019s the dirty little secret of getting hired: people tend to hire people that they want to have as a coworker. They tend to want coworkers that are bright, interesting and friendly. If you come off as a bright go-getter, people will believe that you can learn whatever you need to learn when you need to learn it. Make your resume interesting and attractive! The reader should come away thinking about interesting questions to ask when they interview you in person. This may sound super hokey, but how to Win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie was pretty useful in helping me to figure out the people stuff.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3187.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"95hj0f","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"If it was possible to make a front-wheel-drive or all-wheel-drive bicycle\/motorcycle, would it be plausible? What would it be like? Would it be more\/less safe than rear-wheel-drive and what advantages\/disadvantages would it pose?","c_root_id_A":"e3swi3k","c_root_id_B":"e3srkfo","created_at_utc_A":1533695663,"created_at_utc_B":1533690994,"score_A":8,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"A quick google finds heaps: Tretta make chain driven FWD Cristini make shaft driven FWD (Shafts hidden in the frame) Legacy make Bowden tube (flexible drive shaft) FWD There are other designs - JEEP has even make an AWD Bicycle. Those are just bicycles, I'm sure google would find plenty of AWD motorbikes too.","human_ref_B":"It is possible to make a front wheel drive motorcylce. Example The issue with front wheel drive is that you have to put the drive motor in the wheel as you would otherwise need to make a rear wheel ~~drive~~ steering vehicle, which is not as stable in a turn at speed. Edit: Meant rear wheel steer, or you have to somehow route power to the front wheel in the bike - cars use a CV joint, but is that cost effective for a bike?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4669.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"95hj0f","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"If it was possible to make a front-wheel-drive or all-wheel-drive bicycle\/motorcycle, would it be plausible? What would it be like? Would it be more\/less safe than rear-wheel-drive and what advantages\/disadvantages would it pose?","c_root_id_A":"e3sxe94","c_root_id_B":"e3tj0li","created_at_utc_A":1533696546,"created_at_utc_B":1533730178,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Not a vehicle designer, but I have ridden a motorcycle for a few years. The way weight transfer works on a motorcycle is that the front wheel lifts while accelerating and dives when braking. It would seem to me that when the weight comes off of the front wheel during acceleration, you'd have to be very careful not to break traction if the wheel was powered. In general, not a good idea and potentially dangerous.","human_ref_B":"Rokon has been making 2 wheel drive motorcycles for years. They are marketed to hunters who tote loads through rough terrain.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":33632.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"95hj0f","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"If it was possible to make a front-wheel-drive or all-wheel-drive bicycle\/motorcycle, would it be plausible? What would it be like? Would it be more\/less safe than rear-wheel-drive and what advantages\/disadvantages would it pose?","c_root_id_A":"e3tj0li","c_root_id_B":"e3t85wl","created_at_utc_A":1533730178,"created_at_utc_B":1533710284,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Rokon has been making 2 wheel drive motorcycles for years. They are marketed to hunters who tote loads through rough terrain.","human_ref_B":"There are electric bikes with hub motors on both front and back wheels.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19894.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"ikqt88","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.69,"history":"Why do Tesla\u2019s not have removable batteries? Hey guys, I wanted to ask this here cause I don\u2019t know where else. Why is it that you have to charge your Tesla for half an hour? Wouldn\u2019t it make more sense to be able to remove the batteries and exchange them for fresh ones? Then you\u2019d be back on the road instantly rather than after 30 min. It is weird to me because as far as I know, Tesla\u2019s run on regular batteries that you\u2019d find in power banks and vapes and those are interchangeable. Thank you guys for any answers you can give me. I\u2019m not an electrical engineer~","c_root_id_A":"g3mo0t9","c_root_id_B":"g3mnyl8","created_at_utc_A":1598988160,"created_at_utc_B":1598988136,"score_A":134,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"Simple answer, the battery weighs 1,200 lbs.","human_ref_B":"Pretty sure Tesla battery pack is hundreds pounds. So not easy to \u201cswap out\u201d. Batteries also decline over time, so exchanging batteries would not be fair to whoever got the more degraded one, unless it\u2019s all kept in one company (say, within a rental company). They also are very expensive (10grand or something), so having them be easily removable incentivizes theft, like how people use to take tires off cars in parking lots,","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24.0,"score_ratio":5.8260869565} +{"post_id":"ikqt88","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.69,"history":"Why do Tesla\u2019s not have removable batteries? Hey guys, I wanted to ask this here cause I don\u2019t know where else. Why is it that you have to charge your Tesla for half an hour? Wouldn\u2019t it make more sense to be able to remove the batteries and exchange them for fresh ones? Then you\u2019d be back on the road instantly rather than after 30 min. It is weird to me because as far as I know, Tesla\u2019s run on regular batteries that you\u2019d find in power banks and vapes and those are interchangeable. Thank you guys for any answers you can give me. I\u2019m not an electrical engineer~","c_root_id_A":"g3moef0","c_root_id_B":"g3mwyd1","created_at_utc_A":1598988312,"created_at_utc_B":1598991455,"score_A":3,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"There are a few, but probably the biggest one is that there is no good reason to do it. About 99% of trips are people leaving their home, going somewhere and immediately returning home. Say to the mall or work or school. Being able to charge at home, and never needing to go to a gas station is a huge advantage of electric vehicles. Renting batteries under cuts this. The only time most people will need to charge away from home is on long road trips. And stopping for gas\/charge is a minor part of the overall trip time. So 99% of the time replaceable batteries are a negative, and 1% of the time they aren't really that big of an advantage.","human_ref_B":"Model S can have their battery swapped. https:\/\/youtu.be\/H5V0vL3nnHY They still make them this way because it is too much of a pain to retool to eliminate this feature so that new model S still have the capability to do battery swapping. Battery swap stations never became a thing because super charging is fast enough that any speed increases from battery swap is marginal (relative to time spent on the entire toad trip). If you combine your food and bathroom breaks on a road trip with your charging you really do not lose that much time on a road trip compare to an ICE car. Finally battery swap introduces the problems with battery ownership. The health of the battery depends on how hard it\u2019s been used. If you keep your charge between 20-80%, you will get much more life out of your batteries than someone doing 0-100% all the time, or only use super chargers for charging. If I am responsible about keeping my batteries healthy why do I want to risk getting a battery pack that someone had abused? How do I know that I\u2019d be able to get my battery back on a return trip. What if I\u2019m not making a return trip? I\u2019m going to have to use the super chargers anyways. This is the real barrier to implementing battery swapping. Simply put, battery swap wasn\u2019t that great of an idea to begin with and as charging speeds increased, battery swapping becomes more and more of a solution looking for a problem. Edit: make clear that the speed advantages with battery swapping becomes a bit moot when you still have to eat and go to the bathroom. If you plan your charging spots around that then batter swapping does reduce your trip time enough to the point that will overcome all the problems associated with battery swapping","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3143.0,"score_ratio":7.6666666667} +{"post_id":"ikqt88","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.69,"history":"Why do Tesla\u2019s not have removable batteries? Hey guys, I wanted to ask this here cause I don\u2019t know where else. Why is it that you have to charge your Tesla for half an hour? Wouldn\u2019t it make more sense to be able to remove the batteries and exchange them for fresh ones? Then you\u2019d be back on the road instantly rather than after 30 min. It is weird to me because as far as I know, Tesla\u2019s run on regular batteries that you\u2019d find in power banks and vapes and those are interchangeable. Thank you guys for any answers you can give me. I\u2019m not an electrical engineer~","c_root_id_A":"g3mwyd1","c_root_id_B":"g3monwd","created_at_utc_A":1598991455,"created_at_utc_B":1598988419,"score_A":23,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Model S can have their battery swapped. https:\/\/youtu.be\/H5V0vL3nnHY They still make them this way because it is too much of a pain to retool to eliminate this feature so that new model S still have the capability to do battery swapping. Battery swap stations never became a thing because super charging is fast enough that any speed increases from battery swap is marginal (relative to time spent on the entire toad trip). If you combine your food and bathroom breaks on a road trip with your charging you really do not lose that much time on a road trip compare to an ICE car. Finally battery swap introduces the problems with battery ownership. The health of the battery depends on how hard it\u2019s been used. If you keep your charge between 20-80%, you will get much more life out of your batteries than someone doing 0-100% all the time, or only use super chargers for charging. If I am responsible about keeping my batteries healthy why do I want to risk getting a battery pack that someone had abused? How do I know that I\u2019d be able to get my battery back on a return trip. What if I\u2019m not making a return trip? I\u2019m going to have to use the super chargers anyways. This is the real barrier to implementing battery swapping. Simply put, battery swap wasn\u2019t that great of an idea to begin with and as charging speeds increased, battery swapping becomes more and more of a solution looking for a problem. Edit: make clear that the speed advantages with battery swapping becomes a bit moot when you still have to eat and go to the bathroom. If you plan your charging spots around that then batter swapping does reduce your trip time enough to the point that will overcome all the problems associated with battery swapping","human_ref_B":"There\u2019s a million reasons why you wouldn\u2019t want a removable car battery. The biggest one is obviously that they\u2019re massive. The solution to long charging times is to increase battery capacity and decrease charge time. Most people don\u2019t drive more than 200 miles in a day so the charging time is irrelevant for most people anyways.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3036.0,"score_ratio":7.6666666667} +{"post_id":"ikqt88","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.69,"history":"Why do Tesla\u2019s not have removable batteries? Hey guys, I wanted to ask this here cause I don\u2019t know where else. Why is it that you have to charge your Tesla for half an hour? Wouldn\u2019t it make more sense to be able to remove the batteries and exchange them for fresh ones? Then you\u2019d be back on the road instantly rather than after 30 min. It is weird to me because as far as I know, Tesla\u2019s run on regular batteries that you\u2019d find in power banks and vapes and those are interchangeable. Thank you guys for any answers you can give me. I\u2019m not an electrical engineer~","c_root_id_A":"g3mwyd1","c_root_id_B":"g3mpy20","created_at_utc_A":1598991455,"created_at_utc_B":1598988951,"score_A":23,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Model S can have their battery swapped. https:\/\/youtu.be\/H5V0vL3nnHY They still make them this way because it is too much of a pain to retool to eliminate this feature so that new model S still have the capability to do battery swapping. Battery swap stations never became a thing because super charging is fast enough that any speed increases from battery swap is marginal (relative to time spent on the entire toad trip). If you combine your food and bathroom breaks on a road trip with your charging you really do not lose that much time on a road trip compare to an ICE car. Finally battery swap introduces the problems with battery ownership. The health of the battery depends on how hard it\u2019s been used. If you keep your charge between 20-80%, you will get much more life out of your batteries than someone doing 0-100% all the time, or only use super chargers for charging. If I am responsible about keeping my batteries healthy why do I want to risk getting a battery pack that someone had abused? How do I know that I\u2019d be able to get my battery back on a return trip. What if I\u2019m not making a return trip? I\u2019m going to have to use the super chargers anyways. This is the real barrier to implementing battery swapping. Simply put, battery swap wasn\u2019t that great of an idea to begin with and as charging speeds increased, battery swapping becomes more and more of a solution looking for a problem. Edit: make clear that the speed advantages with battery swapping becomes a bit moot when you still have to eat and go to the bathroom. If you plan your charging spots around that then batter swapping does reduce your trip time enough to the point that will overcome all the problems associated with battery swapping","human_ref_B":"I've just been reading a book on Musk and I'm pretty sure that they had a robotic battery replacement system that was meant to be rolled out at charging stations but priorities changed and was eventually dropped.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2504.0,"score_ratio":7.6666666667} +{"post_id":"ikqt88","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.69,"history":"Why do Tesla\u2019s not have removable batteries? Hey guys, I wanted to ask this here cause I don\u2019t know where else. Why is it that you have to charge your Tesla for half an hour? Wouldn\u2019t it make more sense to be able to remove the batteries and exchange them for fresh ones? Then you\u2019d be back on the road instantly rather than after 30 min. It is weird to me because as far as I know, Tesla\u2019s run on regular batteries that you\u2019d find in power banks and vapes and those are interchangeable. Thank you guys for any answers you can give me. I\u2019m not an electrical engineer~","c_root_id_A":"g3moef0","c_root_id_B":"g3n21tw","created_at_utc_A":1598988312,"created_at_utc_B":1598993337,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"There are a few, but probably the biggest one is that there is no good reason to do it. About 99% of trips are people leaving their home, going somewhere and immediately returning home. Say to the mall or work or school. Being able to charge at home, and never needing to go to a gas station is a huge advantage of electric vehicles. Renting batteries under cuts this. The only time most people will need to charge away from home is on long road trips. And stopping for gas\/charge is a minor part of the overall trip time. So 99% of the time replaceable batteries are a negative, and 1% of the time they aren't really that big of an advantage.","human_ref_B":"There were Tesla Model S with swappable batteries and one battery swap station. The battery swapping process took about 90 seconds. The feature was removed due to a lack of demand. Source: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tesla\\_Model\\_S#Battery\\_swapping","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5025.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"ikqt88","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.69,"history":"Why do Tesla\u2019s not have removable batteries? Hey guys, I wanted to ask this here cause I don\u2019t know where else. Why is it that you have to charge your Tesla for half an hour? Wouldn\u2019t it make more sense to be able to remove the batteries and exchange them for fresh ones? Then you\u2019d be back on the road instantly rather than after 30 min. It is weird to me because as far as I know, Tesla\u2019s run on regular batteries that you\u2019d find in power banks and vapes and those are interchangeable. Thank you guys for any answers you can give me. I\u2019m not an electrical engineer~","c_root_id_A":"g3n21tw","c_root_id_B":"g3monwd","created_at_utc_A":1598993337,"created_at_utc_B":1598988419,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"There were Tesla Model S with swappable batteries and one battery swap station. The battery swapping process took about 90 seconds. The feature was removed due to a lack of demand. Source: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tesla\\_Model\\_S#Battery\\_swapping","human_ref_B":"There\u2019s a million reasons why you wouldn\u2019t want a removable car battery. The biggest one is obviously that they\u2019re massive. The solution to long charging times is to increase battery capacity and decrease charge time. Most people don\u2019t drive more than 200 miles in a day so the charging time is irrelevant for most people anyways.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4918.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"ikqt88","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.69,"history":"Why do Tesla\u2019s not have removable batteries? Hey guys, I wanted to ask this here cause I don\u2019t know where else. Why is it that you have to charge your Tesla for half an hour? Wouldn\u2019t it make more sense to be able to remove the batteries and exchange them for fresh ones? Then you\u2019d be back on the road instantly rather than after 30 min. It is weird to me because as far as I know, Tesla\u2019s run on regular batteries that you\u2019d find in power banks and vapes and those are interchangeable. Thank you guys for any answers you can give me. I\u2019m not an electrical engineer~","c_root_id_A":"g3mpy20","c_root_id_B":"g3n21tw","created_at_utc_A":1598988951,"created_at_utc_B":1598993337,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I've just been reading a book on Musk and I'm pretty sure that they had a robotic battery replacement system that was meant to be rolled out at charging stations but priorities changed and was eventually dropped.","human_ref_B":"There were Tesla Model S with swappable batteries and one battery swap station. The battery swapping process took about 90 seconds. The feature was removed due to a lack of demand. Source: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tesla\\_Model\\_S#Battery\\_swapping","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4386.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"vlbhdu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"What mechanism makes overfilling CO2 tanks dangerous? I\u2019ve been filling some paintball co2 tanks by their rated weight because that\u2019s what the instructions say to do. I\u2019ve read a lot about various \u201cpercentage\u201d based rules regarding filling pressure containers but am just curious why these rules exist. I like to understand these kind of rules better so I understand what is actually happening to mitigate risk on outlier situations where the rules wouldn\u2019t necessarily explicitly state what to do. I would assume that if I have a co2 tank filled with 100% gaseous co2 it will be the same pressure as a tank filled with 100% liquid co2.","c_root_id_A":"iduaobu","c_root_id_B":"iduc4of","created_at_utc_A":1656271907,"created_at_utc_B":1656272548,"score_A":18,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"My knowledge is more physics based and not paint ball canister so take what you will of my answer is on this. Pressure is pressure regardless of whether the substance is in liquid or gaseous phase. But pressure is also tied to temperature of the tank so as the ambient temperature rise and fall then the temperature of an uninsulated tank and the substance in it will also rise and fall. The danger here is that something like CO2 can under go phase transition within the operating pressures and atmospheric temperature conditions (or just by being heated under the sun). When a substance under goes phase transition from a liquid to a gas, it\u2019s volume at the same pressure is orders of magnitude higher. The substance in a pressurized tank cannot expand and thus a temperature rise induced phase transition can rapidly over pressure the tank and cause it to fail catastrophically (explode). Pressurized tank explosion doesn\u2019t happen that often mostly because tank manufacturers put in a good deal of safety margins on pressurized tanks and they often have pressure relief valves that can release excess pressure to keep it from exploding. Reputable tank manufacturers would have done proper engineering on it and determined safe operating conditions and made sure QC is good enough to match or exceed the specs so that it would never explode in your face if you use the tank as designed. This is just a super long windy way of saying that I would 100% stick to what the manufacture state as the maximum temperature, pressure and other operating conditions of the substance in the tank and would absolutely not try to mess with the margins of what I can put into a pressurized tank.","human_ref_B":"In a nutshell.... http:\/\/www.privatedata.com\/doomlabs\/science\/co2pv.gif","labels":0,"seconds_difference":641.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"vlbhdu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"What mechanism makes overfilling CO2 tanks dangerous? I\u2019ve been filling some paintball co2 tanks by their rated weight because that\u2019s what the instructions say to do. I\u2019ve read a lot about various \u201cpercentage\u201d based rules regarding filling pressure containers but am just curious why these rules exist. I like to understand these kind of rules better so I understand what is actually happening to mitigate risk on outlier situations where the rules wouldn\u2019t necessarily explicitly state what to do. I would assume that if I have a co2 tank filled with 100% gaseous co2 it will be the same pressure as a tank filled with 100% liquid co2.","c_root_id_A":"iduc4of","c_root_id_B":"idu8xd5","created_at_utc_A":1656272548,"created_at_utc_B":1656271137,"score_A":27,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"In a nutshell.... http:\/\/www.privatedata.com\/doomlabs\/science\/co2pv.gif","human_ref_B":"The issue is with temperature changes. When it gets hot more liquid boils off. If you have a lot of gas space, that extra is a relatively small pressure change. When you have 95% liquid, all that extra gas is in a very small space so the pressure rises much more. With enough gas space the pressure will never rise to unsafe levels.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1411.0,"score_ratio":13.5} +{"post_id":"vlbhdu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"What mechanism makes overfilling CO2 tanks dangerous? I\u2019ve been filling some paintball co2 tanks by their rated weight because that\u2019s what the instructions say to do. I\u2019ve read a lot about various \u201cpercentage\u201d based rules regarding filling pressure containers but am just curious why these rules exist. I like to understand these kind of rules better so I understand what is actually happening to mitigate risk on outlier situations where the rules wouldn\u2019t necessarily explicitly state what to do. I would assume that if I have a co2 tank filled with 100% gaseous co2 it will be the same pressure as a tank filled with 100% liquid co2.","c_root_id_A":"iduaobu","c_root_id_B":"idu8xd5","created_at_utc_A":1656271907,"created_at_utc_B":1656271137,"score_A":18,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My knowledge is more physics based and not paint ball canister so take what you will of my answer is on this. Pressure is pressure regardless of whether the substance is in liquid or gaseous phase. But pressure is also tied to temperature of the tank so as the ambient temperature rise and fall then the temperature of an uninsulated tank and the substance in it will also rise and fall. The danger here is that something like CO2 can under go phase transition within the operating pressures and atmospheric temperature conditions (or just by being heated under the sun). When a substance under goes phase transition from a liquid to a gas, it\u2019s volume at the same pressure is orders of magnitude higher. The substance in a pressurized tank cannot expand and thus a temperature rise induced phase transition can rapidly over pressure the tank and cause it to fail catastrophically (explode). Pressurized tank explosion doesn\u2019t happen that often mostly because tank manufacturers put in a good deal of safety margins on pressurized tanks and they often have pressure relief valves that can release excess pressure to keep it from exploding. Reputable tank manufacturers would have done proper engineering on it and determined safe operating conditions and made sure QC is good enough to match or exceed the specs so that it would never explode in your face if you use the tank as designed. This is just a super long windy way of saying that I would 100% stick to what the manufacture state as the maximum temperature, pressure and other operating conditions of the substance in the tank and would absolutely not try to mess with the margins of what I can put into a pressurized tank.","human_ref_B":"The issue is with temperature changes. When it gets hot more liquid boils off. If you have a lot of gas space, that extra is a relatively small pressure change. When you have 95% liquid, all that extra gas is in a very small space so the pressure rises much more. With enough gas space the pressure will never rise to unsafe levels.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":770.0,"score_ratio":9.0} +{"post_id":"vlbhdu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"What mechanism makes overfilling CO2 tanks dangerous? I\u2019ve been filling some paintball co2 tanks by their rated weight because that\u2019s what the instructions say to do. I\u2019ve read a lot about various \u201cpercentage\u201d based rules regarding filling pressure containers but am just curious why these rules exist. I like to understand these kind of rules better so I understand what is actually happening to mitigate risk on outlier situations where the rules wouldn\u2019t necessarily explicitly state what to do. I would assume that if I have a co2 tank filled with 100% gaseous co2 it will be the same pressure as a tank filled with 100% liquid co2.","c_root_id_A":"idu8xd5","c_root_id_B":"iduxmr2","created_at_utc_A":1656271137,"created_at_utc_B":1656282191,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The issue is with temperature changes. When it gets hot more liquid boils off. If you have a lot of gas space, that extra is a relatively small pressure change. When you have 95% liquid, all that extra gas is in a very small space so the pressure rises much more. With enough gas space the pressure will never rise to unsafe levels.","human_ref_B":"In a nutshell the tank is kept in what\u2019s called a saturated state. This means there\u2019s a certain amount of liquid and then a squishy bit in a gaseous state. In this condition pressure and temperature trend together. Meaning if you raise the temperature then there will be a matching increase in pressure. From data we know under normal atmospheric conditions the tank will not over pressurize and therefore remain safe. Now if you will fill the tank completely then you lose that squishy bit. Now raise the temperature just a degree. In a saturated system pressurizing the tank may increase pressure by an extra psi or 2, but in a solid tank that 1 degree can cause 100 psi increase. So just say you fill it solid and then temp goes up during the day\u2026 boom. You just made a pressure cooker bomb.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11054.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"vlbhdu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"What mechanism makes overfilling CO2 tanks dangerous? I\u2019ve been filling some paintball co2 tanks by their rated weight because that\u2019s what the instructions say to do. I\u2019ve read a lot about various \u201cpercentage\u201d based rules regarding filling pressure containers but am just curious why these rules exist. I like to understand these kind of rules better so I understand what is actually happening to mitigate risk on outlier situations where the rules wouldn\u2019t necessarily explicitly state what to do. I would assume that if I have a co2 tank filled with 100% gaseous co2 it will be the same pressure as a tank filled with 100% liquid co2.","c_root_id_A":"idu8xd5","c_root_id_B":"idvgle4","created_at_utc_A":1656271137,"created_at_utc_B":1656291385,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The issue is with temperature changes. When it gets hot more liquid boils off. If you have a lot of gas space, that extra is a relatively small pressure change. When you have 95% liquid, all that extra gas is in a very small space so the pressure rises much more. With enough gas space the pressure will never rise to unsafe levels.","human_ref_B":"Getting used to **AvE's** delivery style takes *\\a while\\]*, but this vid will teach you how not to die *\\[or\\]* get seriously hurt. Say if you ever run a forklift or skidsteer, hydraulics are supremely dangerous. Gases are fluids...so all this knowledge spills over... [https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=yZ04iC3J6Mc","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20248.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"vlbhdu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"What mechanism makes overfilling CO2 tanks dangerous? I\u2019ve been filling some paintball co2 tanks by their rated weight because that\u2019s what the instructions say to do. I\u2019ve read a lot about various \u201cpercentage\u201d based rules regarding filling pressure containers but am just curious why these rules exist. I like to understand these kind of rules better so I understand what is actually happening to mitigate risk on outlier situations where the rules wouldn\u2019t necessarily explicitly state what to do. I would assume that if I have a co2 tank filled with 100% gaseous co2 it will be the same pressure as a tank filled with 100% liquid co2.","c_root_id_A":"iduxmr2","c_root_id_B":"iduljdd","created_at_utc_A":1656282191,"created_at_utc_B":1656276735,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"In a nutshell the tank is kept in what\u2019s called a saturated state. This means there\u2019s a certain amount of liquid and then a squishy bit in a gaseous state. In this condition pressure and temperature trend together. Meaning if you raise the temperature then there will be a matching increase in pressure. From data we know under normal atmospheric conditions the tank will not over pressurize and therefore remain safe. Now if you will fill the tank completely then you lose that squishy bit. Now raise the temperature just a degree. In a saturated system pressurizing the tank may increase pressure by an extra psi or 2, but in a solid tank that 1 degree can cause 100 psi increase. So just say you fill it solid and then temp goes up during the day\u2026 boom. You just made a pressure cooker bomb.","human_ref_B":"You will need to familiarise yourself with adiabatic systems and raults law to answer your question. It's not clear what your asking, but these are the key tools you will need to formulate a better question.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5456.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"vlbhdu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"What mechanism makes overfilling CO2 tanks dangerous? I\u2019ve been filling some paintball co2 tanks by their rated weight because that\u2019s what the instructions say to do. I\u2019ve read a lot about various \u201cpercentage\u201d based rules regarding filling pressure containers but am just curious why these rules exist. I like to understand these kind of rules better so I understand what is actually happening to mitigate risk on outlier situations where the rules wouldn\u2019t necessarily explicitly state what to do. I would assume that if I have a co2 tank filled with 100% gaseous co2 it will be the same pressure as a tank filled with 100% liquid co2.","c_root_id_A":"iduljdd","c_root_id_B":"idvgle4","created_at_utc_A":1656276735,"created_at_utc_B":1656291385,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You will need to familiarise yourself with adiabatic systems and raults law to answer your question. It's not clear what your asking, but these are the key tools you will need to formulate a better question.","human_ref_B":"Getting used to **AvE's** delivery style takes *\\a while\\]*, but this vid will teach you how not to die *\\[or\\]* get seriously hurt. Say if you ever run a forklift or skidsteer, hydraulics are supremely dangerous. Gases are fluids...so all this knowledge spills over... [https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=yZ04iC3J6Mc","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14650.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"eiga91","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"At engineer level, how and where to advance to? I have been working as an Industrial Engineer for about 4 years now. I have seen how other engineers level this field and are not more successful but it is what they enjoy. I do enjoy being an engineer but for my future career I am reaching out to this community to ask \"where can an engineer go to become more financially stable and how can one get there?\" Is it management? Is it another field? Is it just years of experience?","c_root_id_A":"fcs064o","c_root_id_B":"fcs3inm","created_at_utc_A":1577909303,"created_at_utc_B":1577910928,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you don't see yourself in management or going deeper into engineering, then another option down the road is general project management work. Private developers, construction firms, and government agencies hire PM roles for general projects in buildings and land development. They often hire people with any type of engineering, architectural, or surveying experience so very general not specific.","human_ref_B":"If you're looking for a large influx of cash and gain alot of experience, both in a short period of time, I'd suggest looking into a startup. Joining a bootstrap or preseed level startup will put you in a position to do more and more varied work. It will help you gain experience very quickly, at the expense of no free time. The networks you build there also help in finding your next big job. Joining a startup at a seed level or post A level raise probably won't give you as much experience, but if you trade salary for equity you could be looking at a good amount of capital coming your way within 3 years. You need to be extremely picky with the startup you decide on. Some people get good at this though. I've known people that jumped from startup to startup because they kept choosing ones that got aquired very quickly and got an equity payout once every year or so in the amount of a couple hundred thousand dollars. After doing that for a few years they usually switch to venture capital or angel investing, which is extremely lucrative. Edit: spelling error caused by cell phone typing","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1625.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"rnmuzu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How often do you take breaks? How often do you take long breaks and how long are they?","c_root_id_A":"hpt7jik","c_root_id_B":"hpt8e5f","created_at_utc_A":1640356271,"created_at_utc_B":1640356723,"score_A":17,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"Typically half an hour to an hour for lunch. And then I often get up to stretch my legs. I'll walk across the street to the gas station and grab a soda or snacks sometimes. 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It's basically like working on group projects all the time except your team members actually care (if you work for a good company at least)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9387.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"clorx5y","c_root_id_B":"clornm0","created_at_utc_A":1414719322,"created_at_utc_B":1414718810,"score_A":10,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Less than 2.5 years out if college making real good money with a lot if room to grow within the company. Wouldn't change my major but I would have participated I'm more clubs and done more networking for the experience of working with people. I didn't think it was important but knowing the right people makes work a lot easier. In my experience, you'll need what you learned in school but you'll also need to learn a lot on the job as well. It's basically like working on group projects all the time except your team members actually care (if you work for a good company at least)","human_ref_B":"Beyond satisfied. At age 6 I knew I wanted to play with rockets. Today, I play with rockets and it's everything I ever dreamed of. More, actually, as there is very little paperwork in my life (I expected more).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":512.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"clow156","c_root_id_B":"clowfb7","created_at_utc_A":1414727724,"created_at_utc_B":1414728709,"score_A":7,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Currently in grad school for my PhD - realized that its way too sciency and not enough actual application\/engineering. Attempting not to fail my classes, which I detest, and trying to figure out what to do. Aka, NOT AT ALL SATISFIED. I was promised fire, I got cameras and MATLAB.","human_ref_B":"Nada. Make good money, stable job, I get to play with massive, multimillion dollar machines. I'm responsible for millions in revenue. Plenty of freedom. I chose ChemE because they are desirable and highly paid. I chose one of the top schools in the country because I figured it would help me get a job. I drank heavily during college, barely took school seriously enough to escape with average grades, and found a job where I can use my strengths - intuition, problem solving, critical analysis, communication - and not rely on what is admittedly my biggest weakness - lack of theoretical book smarts.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":985.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"clowfb7","c_root_id_B":"clornm0","created_at_utc_A":1414728709,"created_at_utc_B":1414718810,"score_A":12,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Nada. Make good money, stable job, I get to play with massive, multimillion dollar machines. I'm responsible for millions in revenue. Plenty of freedom. I chose ChemE because they are desirable and highly paid. I chose one of the top schools in the country because I figured it would help me get a job. I drank heavily during college, barely took school seriously enough to escape with average grades, and found a job where I can use my strengths - intuition, problem solving, critical analysis, communication - and not rely on what is admittedly my biggest weakness - lack of theoretical book smarts.","human_ref_B":"Beyond satisfied. At age 6 I knew I wanted to play with rockets. Today, I play with rockets and it's everything I ever dreamed of. More, actually, as there is very little paperwork in my life (I expected more).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9899.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"clowfb7","c_root_id_B":"clotw82","created_at_utc_A":1414728709,"created_at_utc_B":1414723178,"score_A":12,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Nada. Make good money, stable job, I get to play with massive, multimillion dollar machines. I'm responsible for millions in revenue. Plenty of freedom. I chose ChemE because they are desirable and highly paid. I chose one of the top schools in the country because I figured it would help me get a job. I drank heavily during college, barely took school seriously enough to escape with average grades, and found a job where I can use my strengths - intuition, problem solving, critical analysis, communication - and not rely on what is admittedly my biggest weakness - lack of theoretical book smarts.","human_ref_B":"I work in instrumentation and controls in oil&gas. Graduated as an EE and was very interested in controls - industrial process control is almost entirely unrelated to anything I knew about. It's still somewhat interesting, and it lets me live in an area of the US that would be difficult to get other engineering work in. I don't have much stress, my hours are flexible and not excessive, and overall I enjoy it. If I was to go through school again I would have paid more attention in my fluid dynamics and thermodynamics courses! It just goes to show that the material that you are least interested in might end up being the most important later on.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5531.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"clowfb7","c_root_id_B":"clovmzg","created_at_utc_A":1414728709,"created_at_utc_B":1414726784,"score_A":12,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Nada. Make good money, stable job, I get to play with massive, multimillion dollar machines. I'm responsible for millions in revenue. Plenty of freedom. I chose ChemE because they are desirable and highly paid. I chose one of the top schools in the country because I figured it would help me get a job. I drank heavily during college, barely took school seriously enough to escape with average grades, and found a job where I can use my strengths - intuition, problem solving, critical analysis, communication - and not rely on what is admittedly my biggest weakness - lack of theoretical book smarts.","human_ref_B":"Aerospace\/Mechanical with five years experience. I have no complaints. Internships taught me what the real world is like: you can either complain about the politics\/tomfoolery or you can deal with it and do your job. If I could do it all over again? Probably minor in CS or EE. It's definitely a great thing to have under your belt in problem solving","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1925.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"clowfb7","c_root_id_B":"closk6m","created_at_utc_A":1414728709,"created_at_utc_B":1414720543,"score_A":12,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Nada. Make good money, stable job, I get to play with massive, multimillion dollar machines. I'm responsible for millions in revenue. Plenty of freedom. I chose ChemE because they are desirable and highly paid. I chose one of the top schools in the country because I figured it would help me get a job. I drank heavily during college, barely took school seriously enough to escape with average grades, and found a job where I can use my strengths - intuition, problem solving, critical analysis, communication - and not rely on what is admittedly my biggest weakness - lack of theoretical book smarts.","human_ref_B":"I'm pretty happy and I enjoy my job. Not a lot of \"real\" engineering work, but a non engineer would struggle to learn the job as fast as I have (I'm an application engineer working with hydraulic systems in the manufacturing industry). My boss can be a little annoying at times, he is always interrupting me in the middle of what I'm doing to tell me to start working on something else, which I likely won't finish because he interrupts me yet again. I have more work than I have time for, which is a good thing because not having anything to do is just terrible (plenty of that at my last job). The pay is less than I would like and the vacation time is lacking, but my employer is sending me to Germany for a week for training seminars, I'm looking forward to that. If I made more money in my current position, I'd have very little to complain about.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8166.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"clowfb7","c_root_id_B":"clov8cz","created_at_utc_A":1414728709,"created_at_utc_B":1414725880,"score_A":12,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Nada. Make good money, stable job, I get to play with massive, multimillion dollar machines. I'm responsible for millions in revenue. Plenty of freedom. I chose ChemE because they are desirable and highly paid. I chose one of the top schools in the country because I figured it would help me get a job. I drank heavily during college, barely took school seriously enough to escape with average grades, and found a job where I can use my strengths - intuition, problem solving, critical analysis, communication - and not rely on what is admittedly my biggest weakness - lack of theoretical book smarts.","human_ref_B":"Good pay, mediocre job security, no challenges, lots of travel, kind of bored, moderately satisfied If I could do anything differently, I would probably take a job I was offered a few years back I'm looking at moving to something that will be amazing pay, no job security, tons of challenges, as much travel as it takes to get the job done and I'm pretty excited about the opportunity","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2829.0,"score_ratio":6.0} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"clovmzg","c_root_id_B":"clow156","created_at_utc_A":1414726784,"created_at_utc_B":1414727724,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Aerospace\/Mechanical with five years experience. I have no complaints. Internships taught me what the real world is like: you can either complain about the politics\/tomfoolery or you can deal with it and do your job. If I could do it all over again? Probably minor in CS or EE. It's definitely a great thing to have under your belt in problem solving","human_ref_B":"Currently in grad school for my PhD - realized that its way too sciency and not enough actual application\/engineering. Attempting not to fail my classes, which I detest, and trying to figure out what to do. Aka, NOT AT ALL SATISFIED. I was promised fire, I got cameras and MATLAB.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":940.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"clow156","c_root_id_B":"closk6m","created_at_utc_A":1414727724,"created_at_utc_B":1414720543,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Currently in grad school for my PhD - realized that its way too sciency and not enough actual application\/engineering. Attempting not to fail my classes, which I detest, and trying to figure out what to do. Aka, NOT AT ALL SATISFIED. I was promised fire, I got cameras and MATLAB.","human_ref_B":"I'm pretty happy and I enjoy my job. Not a lot of \"real\" engineering work, but a non engineer would struggle to learn the job as fast as I have (I'm an application engineer working with hydraulic systems in the manufacturing industry). My boss can be a little annoying at times, he is always interrupting me in the middle of what I'm doing to tell me to start working on something else, which I likely won't finish because he interrupts me yet again. I have more work than I have time for, which is a good thing because not having anything to do is just terrible (plenty of that at my last job). The pay is less than I would like and the vacation time is lacking, but my employer is sending me to Germany for a week for training seminars, I'm looking forward to that. If I made more money in my current position, I'd have very little to complain about.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7181.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"clow156","c_root_id_B":"clov8cz","created_at_utc_A":1414727724,"created_at_utc_B":1414725880,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Currently in grad school for my PhD - realized that its way too sciency and not enough actual application\/engineering. Attempting not to fail my classes, which I detest, and trying to figure out what to do. Aka, NOT AT ALL SATISFIED. I was promised fire, I got cameras and MATLAB.","human_ref_B":"Good pay, mediocre job security, no challenges, lots of travel, kind of bored, moderately satisfied If I could do anything differently, I would probably take a job I was offered a few years back I'm looking at moving to something that will be amazing pay, no job security, tons of challenges, as much travel as it takes to get the job done and I'm pretty excited about the opportunity","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1844.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"clotw82","c_root_id_B":"closk6m","created_at_utc_A":1414723178,"created_at_utc_B":1414720543,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work in instrumentation and controls in oil&gas. Graduated as an EE and was very interested in controls - industrial process control is almost entirely unrelated to anything I knew about. It's still somewhat interesting, and it lets me live in an area of the US that would be difficult to get other engineering work in. I don't have much stress, my hours are flexible and not excessive, and overall I enjoy it. If I was to go through school again I would have paid more attention in my fluid dynamics and thermodynamics courses! It just goes to show that the material that you are least interested in might end up being the most important later on.","human_ref_B":"I'm pretty happy and I enjoy my job. Not a lot of \"real\" engineering work, but a non engineer would struggle to learn the job as fast as I have (I'm an application engineer working with hydraulic systems in the manufacturing industry). My boss can be a little annoying at times, he is always interrupting me in the middle of what I'm doing to tell me to start working on something else, which I likely won't finish because he interrupts me yet again. I have more work than I have time for, which is a good thing because not having anything to do is just terrible (plenty of that at my last job). The pay is less than I would like and the vacation time is lacking, but my employer is sending me to Germany for a week for training seminars, I'm looking forward to that. If I made more money in my current position, I'd have very little to complain about.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2635.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"clovmzg","c_root_id_B":"closk6m","created_at_utc_A":1414726784,"created_at_utc_B":1414720543,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Aerospace\/Mechanical with five years experience. I have no complaints. Internships taught me what the real world is like: you can either complain about the politics\/tomfoolery or you can deal with it and do your job. If I could do it all over again? Probably minor in CS or EE. It's definitely a great thing to have under your belt in problem solving","human_ref_B":"I'm pretty happy and I enjoy my job. Not a lot of \"real\" engineering work, but a non engineer would struggle to learn the job as fast as I have (I'm an application engineer working with hydraulic systems in the manufacturing industry). My boss can be a little annoying at times, he is always interrupting me in the middle of what I'm doing to tell me to start working on something else, which I likely won't finish because he interrupts me yet again. I have more work than I have time for, which is a good thing because not having anything to do is just terrible (plenty of that at my last job). The pay is less than I would like and the vacation time is lacking, but my employer is sending me to Germany for a week for training seminars, I'm looking forward to that. If I made more money in my current position, I'd have very little to complain about.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6241.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"clovmzg","c_root_id_B":"clov8cz","created_at_utc_A":1414726784,"created_at_utc_B":1414725880,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Aerospace\/Mechanical with five years experience. I have no complaints. Internships taught me what the real world is like: you can either complain about the politics\/tomfoolery or you can deal with it and do your job. If I could do it all over again? Probably minor in CS or EE. It's definitely a great thing to have under your belt in problem solving","human_ref_B":"Good pay, mediocre job security, no challenges, lots of travel, kind of bored, moderately satisfied If I could do anything differently, I would probably take a job I was offered a few years back I'm looking at moving to something that will be amazing pay, no job security, tons of challenges, as much travel as it takes to get the job done and I'm pretty excited about the opportunity","labels":1,"seconds_difference":904.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"clp57ll","c_root_id_B":"clozede","created_at_utc_A":1414763868,"created_at_utc_B":1414738659,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I am a mechanical engineer working in Aerospace, emphasis on the space part. I am in manufacturing as opposed to pure design. When I first started job hunting, I was focused on getting a design job. It is what I thought I wanted. I find that I enjoy the manufacturing world, at least, in the industry I am in. It's all low volume, high dollar amazing pieces of machinery. My job is a lot of paperwork, which can get a little dull. I design tooling from time to time, which satisfies the problem solving itch we all get. I appreciate tooling because it affords an opportunity to not only iron out non conforming work, but also streamline the manufacturing process. I do a fair amount of coordinating with floor supervisors to ensure the hourly guys have their needs met so they can work efficiently. The best part of my job is that my manager is hands off and gives us the autonomy to work as we see fit to achieve our deadlines. Our dress code is extremely casual. As long as we are wearing pants and have on ASTM work boots and a shirt, we're pretty good. That said, I do maintain a professional attire just to suit my preconceived notion of what an engineer should look like. Unfortunately, this has led to some of the younger hourly guys to always call me \"sir\" rather than address me by my first name. My coworkers are all great and there is an excellent sense of camaraderie within our group. The negative is that it is in the aerospace industry, so job security is not always great. Opportunity for advancement in my manufacturing facility is stagnant at the moment. I am a new hire, making entry level salary, but due to some coworkers moving on, I have quickly taken on a large amount of responsibility in a very short time. My workload is getting heavy. To answer the question posed. I am happy where I am at, and have not wished to do things over in the least.","human_ref_B":"So what I'm getting from this post is that engineering is over-glorified and to live my last days of college to the fullest? Good thing I've decided to do just that for my senior year and I've been incredibly happy.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25209.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"clov8cz","c_root_id_B":"clp57ll","created_at_utc_A":1414725880,"created_at_utc_B":1414763868,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Good pay, mediocre job security, no challenges, lots of travel, kind of bored, moderately satisfied If I could do anything differently, I would probably take a job I was offered a few years back I'm looking at moving to something that will be amazing pay, no job security, tons of challenges, as much travel as it takes to get the job done and I'm pretty excited about the opportunity","human_ref_B":"I am a mechanical engineer working in Aerospace, emphasis on the space part. I am in manufacturing as opposed to pure design. When I first started job hunting, I was focused on getting a design job. It is what I thought I wanted. I find that I enjoy the manufacturing world, at least, in the industry I am in. It's all low volume, high dollar amazing pieces of machinery. My job is a lot of paperwork, which can get a little dull. I design tooling from time to time, which satisfies the problem solving itch we all get. I appreciate tooling because it affords an opportunity to not only iron out non conforming work, but also streamline the manufacturing process. I do a fair amount of coordinating with floor supervisors to ensure the hourly guys have their needs met so they can work efficiently. The best part of my job is that my manager is hands off and gives us the autonomy to work as we see fit to achieve our deadlines. Our dress code is extremely casual. As long as we are wearing pants and have on ASTM work boots and a shirt, we're pretty good. That said, I do maintain a professional attire just to suit my preconceived notion of what an engineer should look like. Unfortunately, this has led to some of the younger hourly guys to always call me \"sir\" rather than address me by my first name. My coworkers are all great and there is an excellent sense of camaraderie within our group. The negative is that it is in the aerospace industry, so job security is not always great. Opportunity for advancement in my manufacturing facility is stagnant at the moment. I am a new hire, making entry level salary, but due to some coworkers moving on, I have quickly taken on a large amount of responsibility in a very short time. My workload is getting heavy. To answer the question posed. I am happy where I am at, and have not wished to do things over in the least.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":37988.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"cloxczg","c_root_id_B":"clp57ll","created_at_utc_A":1414731279,"created_at_utc_B":1414763868,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Software Engineering I'm fulfilling my drive to build something (akin to building a deck or something). There are two main problems: - In order to find people with passion, you have to flock to the hip tech firms. Engineering software is artistry, it's craftsmanship, it's vision, it's monotony, and it's communication. The only way to be really good is to have some of everything. Which leads me to: - The problem in software is the people. The great majority lack critical thinking skills, and need to be hand-held through everything. It doesn't matter if they're 50 with 30 years of experience or 25 with 3. They can't see (or don't care to see) the big picture because they want to get a paycheck and go home. What people don't realize though, is that engineering good software is as much of a life choice and commitment as becoming a doctor. Software is about change, realizing a need for change, constantly learning new methods, and applying change. So, I'm satisfied with the challenges, but the quality of the people is really starting to wear on me.","human_ref_B":"I am a mechanical engineer working in Aerospace, emphasis on the space part. I am in manufacturing as opposed to pure design. When I first started job hunting, I was focused on getting a design job. It is what I thought I wanted. I find that I enjoy the manufacturing world, at least, in the industry I am in. It's all low volume, high dollar amazing pieces of machinery. My job is a lot of paperwork, which can get a little dull. I design tooling from time to time, which satisfies the problem solving itch we all get. I appreciate tooling because it affords an opportunity to not only iron out non conforming work, but also streamline the manufacturing process. I do a fair amount of coordinating with floor supervisors to ensure the hourly guys have their needs met so they can work efficiently. The best part of my job is that my manager is hands off and gives us the autonomy to work as we see fit to achieve our deadlines. Our dress code is extremely casual. As long as we are wearing pants and have on ASTM work boots and a shirt, we're pretty good. That said, I do maintain a professional attire just to suit my preconceived notion of what an engineer should look like. Unfortunately, this has led to some of the younger hourly guys to always call me \"sir\" rather than address me by my first name. My coworkers are all great and there is an excellent sense of camaraderie within our group. The negative is that it is in the aerospace industry, so job security is not always great. Opportunity for advancement in my manufacturing facility is stagnant at the moment. I am a new hire, making entry level salary, but due to some coworkers moving on, I have quickly taken on a large amount of responsibility in a very short time. My workload is getting heavy. To answer the question posed. I am happy where I am at, and have not wished to do things over in the least.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":32589.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"2ktzge","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Engineers , How satisfied are with your careers? and would you do anything diff if you could o back to college years?-diff major ?college? etc","c_root_id_A":"cloyj74","c_root_id_B":"clp57ll","created_at_utc_A":1414735125,"created_at_utc_B":1414763868,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"A++ would career again. In high school, I probably would have taken Mandarin Chinese instead of Spanish. That's specific to my career needs and not necessarily engineering as a whole.","human_ref_B":"I am a mechanical engineer working in Aerospace, emphasis on the space part. I am in manufacturing as opposed to pure design. When I first started job hunting, I was focused on getting a design job. It is what I thought I wanted. I find that I enjoy the manufacturing world, at least, in the industry I am in. It's all low volume, high dollar amazing pieces of machinery. My job is a lot of paperwork, which can get a little dull. I design tooling from time to time, which satisfies the problem solving itch we all get. I appreciate tooling because it affords an opportunity to not only iron out non conforming work, but also streamline the manufacturing process. I do a fair amount of coordinating with floor supervisors to ensure the hourly guys have their needs met so they can work efficiently. The best part of my job is that my manager is hands off and gives us the autonomy to work as we see fit to achieve our deadlines. Our dress code is extremely casual. As long as we are wearing pants and have on ASTM work boots and a shirt, we're pretty good. That said, I do maintain a professional attire just to suit my preconceived notion of what an engineer should look like. Unfortunately, this has led to some of the younger hourly guys to always call me \"sir\" rather than address me by my first name. My coworkers are all great and there is an excellent sense of camaraderie within our group. The negative is that it is in the aerospace industry, so job security is not always great. Opportunity for advancement in my manufacturing facility is stagnant at the moment. I am a new hire, making entry level salary, but due to some coworkers moving on, I have quickly taken on a large amount of responsibility in a very short time. My workload is getting heavy. To answer the question posed. I am happy where I am at, and have not wished to do things over in the least.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":28743.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"f21icf","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you calculate crush resistance? For example if a pipe is capped at sea level and is taken subsea how can I know at what water depth it'll crush?","c_root_id_A":"fha1kng","c_root_id_B":"fh9vpk8","created_at_utc_A":1581394763,"created_at_utc_B":1581390705,"score_A":40,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"FEA, with materials testing... sure. But that's a pretty involved calculation, even with the proper modeling tools. Back of the envelope, do this: * Every 10m depth in water is \\~1atm of pressure * Hoop stress on the cylinder will put the cylinder wall into pure compression once the outer pressure exceeds the inner pressure of the cylinder. * If your circumference to wall thickness ratio is very large, you can use a slender column buckling to estimate crush resistance. Use the both-ends-fixed boundary condition and set your length to be the circumference of the cylinder This will get you into the order of magnitude ballpark. Assumptions: * Cylinder is not influenced by the end caps * The cylinder walls are in pure compression (no local deformations which will introduce local bending moments on the walls) * Thin wall assumption, in that the walls act as a vertical column. As the walls get thicker, the inner wall is shorter than the outer wall, taking away from the column assumption EDIT: added link to calculate hoop stress","human_ref_B":"Look into hoop stress Then pick a material that fails at said stress level. But as someone mentioned already, it's most likely going to be from buckling","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4058.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} +{"post_id":"f21icf","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you calculate crush resistance? For example if a pipe is capped at sea level and is taken subsea how can I know at what water depth it'll crush?","c_root_id_A":"fh9v443","c_root_id_B":"fha1kng","created_at_utc_A":1581390310,"created_at_utc_B":1581394763,"score_A":4,"score_B":40,"human_ref_A":"Shooting from the hip here, but I\u2019d think the likely failure mode would be buckling, not a \u201cnormal\u201d compressive failure. Found this pretty quickly on google which likely contains at least a high level overview of methodology: https:\/\/ntrs.nasa.gov\/archive\/nasa\/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov\/19690013955.pdf","human_ref_B":"FEA, with materials testing... sure. But that's a pretty involved calculation, even with the proper modeling tools. Back of the envelope, do this: * Every 10m depth in water is \\~1atm of pressure * Hoop stress on the cylinder will put the cylinder wall into pure compression once the outer pressure exceeds the inner pressure of the cylinder. * If your circumference to wall thickness ratio is very large, you can use a slender column buckling to estimate crush resistance. Use the both-ends-fixed boundary condition and set your length to be the circumference of the cylinder This will get you into the order of magnitude ballpark. Assumptions: * Cylinder is not influenced by the end caps * The cylinder walls are in pure compression (no local deformations which will introduce local bending moments on the walls) * Thin wall assumption, in that the walls act as a vertical column. As the walls get thicker, the inner wall is shorter than the outer wall, taking away from the column assumption EDIT: added link to calculate hoop stress","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4453.0,"score_ratio":10.0} +{"post_id":"f21icf","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you calculate crush resistance? For example if a pipe is capped at sea level and is taken subsea how can I know at what water depth it'll crush?","c_root_id_A":"fha1kng","c_root_id_B":"fh9ve5y","created_at_utc_A":1581394763,"created_at_utc_B":1581390496,"score_A":40,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"FEA, with materials testing... sure. But that's a pretty involved calculation, even with the proper modeling tools. Back of the envelope, do this: * Every 10m depth in water is \\~1atm of pressure * Hoop stress on the cylinder will put the cylinder wall into pure compression once the outer pressure exceeds the inner pressure of the cylinder. * If your circumference to wall thickness ratio is very large, you can use a slender column buckling to estimate crush resistance. Use the both-ends-fixed boundary condition and set your length to be the circumference of the cylinder This will get you into the order of magnitude ballpark. Assumptions: * Cylinder is not influenced by the end caps * The cylinder walls are in pure compression (no local deformations which will introduce local bending moments on the walls) * Thin wall assumption, in that the walls act as a vertical column. As the walls get thicker, the inner wall is shorter than the outer wall, taking away from the column assumption EDIT: added link to calculate hoop stress","human_ref_B":"For the back of the napkin I would calc the hoop stress and axial stress. Then make an approximation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4267.0,"score_ratio":20.0} +{"post_id":"f21icf","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you calculate crush resistance? For example if a pipe is capped at sea level and is taken subsea how can I know at what water depth it'll crush?","c_root_id_A":"fh9v443","c_root_id_B":"fh9vpk8","created_at_utc_A":1581390310,"created_at_utc_B":1581390705,"score_A":4,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Shooting from the hip here, but I\u2019d think the likely failure mode would be buckling, not a \u201cnormal\u201d compressive failure. Found this pretty quickly on google which likely contains at least a high level overview of methodology: https:\/\/ntrs.nasa.gov\/archive\/nasa\/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov\/19690013955.pdf","human_ref_B":"Look into hoop stress Then pick a material that fails at said stress level. But as someone mentioned already, it's most likely going to be from buckling","labels":0,"seconds_difference":395.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"f21icf","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you calculate crush resistance? For example if a pipe is capped at sea level and is taken subsea how can I know at what water depth it'll crush?","c_root_id_A":"fh9vpk8","c_root_id_B":"fh9ve5y","created_at_utc_A":1581390705,"created_at_utc_B":1581390496,"score_A":12,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Look into hoop stress Then pick a material that fails at said stress level. But as someone mentioned already, it's most likely going to be from buckling","human_ref_B":"For the back of the napkin I would calc the hoop stress and axial stress. Then make an approximation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":209.0,"score_ratio":6.0} +{"post_id":"f21icf","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How do you calculate crush resistance? For example if a pipe is capped at sea level and is taken subsea how can I know at what water depth it'll crush?","c_root_id_A":"fh9ve5y","c_root_id_B":"fhauhiy","created_at_utc_A":1581390496,"created_at_utc_B":1581427354,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"For the back of the napkin I would calc the hoop stress and axial stress. Then make an approximation.","human_ref_B":"Look at the external pressure calculations in ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code, Section VIII, Division 1.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":36858.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"3ixu8k","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Would it be possible to build a nuclear powered helicopter (with current technology) It would work like a submarine, with reactor generating electricity for electric motor(s). How large would helicopter have to be?","c_root_id_A":"cukor4t","c_root_id_B":"cukmdau","created_at_utc_A":1440938287,"created_at_utc_B":1440929382,"score_A":21,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Please understand that building something that flys \/ works is an order of magnitude easier than building something that's remotely safe and not a radioactive death machine. So if you are simply trying to run the numbers on whether a nuclear reactor can make a helicopter fly, the answer is yes. Now, something with enough shielding to not kill the pilot? Something with enough safety measures to not be a \"flying fukushima\" when it eventually crashes? That would require years of engineering. May or may not be possible.","human_ref_B":"We will work through this together. Why would you want to have a nuclear powdered helicopter? The reason that you have nuclear powered submarines is so that they don't have to surface for oxygen \/ release diesel fumes. Now they can remain under the sea until they run out of food. That's the benefit of nuclear power submarines. Going back to helicopter if it goes wrong and needs coolant, you're fucked. In a submarine you are in the sea, it's not ideal but you can take water in a hurry. Then you have people safety. This is the limiting factor in my opinion. Nuclear power is basically 3 forms, alpha, beta and gamma radiation. Gamma is the most penetrative so you need meters of concrete and lead to make sure that the radiation can't go \"outside\". I am not a mechanical engineer but this will cause the major difficulties but I don't think that this will leave the ground ;-) There are more drawbacks than benefits so that this would never happen. Please ask if you have follow up questions.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8905.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"3ixu8k","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Would it be possible to build a nuclear powered helicopter (with current technology) It would work like a submarine, with reactor generating electricity for electric motor(s). How large would helicopter have to be?","c_root_id_A":"cukm1rn","c_root_id_B":"cukor4t","created_at_utc_A":1440928035,"created_at_utc_B":1440938287,"score_A":2,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"I am not sure it is possible but even if it was technically possible, no one would do it. Imagine a helicopter crashing with a nuclear reactor on board.","human_ref_B":"Please understand that building something that flys \/ works is an order of magnitude easier than building something that's remotely safe and not a radioactive death machine. So if you are simply trying to run the numbers on whether a nuclear reactor can make a helicopter fly, the answer is yes. Now, something with enough shielding to not kill the pilot? Something with enough safety measures to not be a \"flying fukushima\" when it eventually crashes? That would require years of engineering. May or may not be possible.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10252.0,"score_ratio":10.5} +{"post_id":"3ixu8k","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Would it be possible to build a nuclear powered helicopter (with current technology) It would work like a submarine, with reactor generating electricity for electric motor(s). How large would helicopter have to be?","c_root_id_A":"cukm1rn","c_root_id_B":"cukmdau","created_at_utc_A":1440928035,"created_at_utc_B":1440929382,"score_A":2,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I am not sure it is possible but even if it was technically possible, no one would do it. Imagine a helicopter crashing with a nuclear reactor on board.","human_ref_B":"We will work through this together. Why would you want to have a nuclear powdered helicopter? The reason that you have nuclear powered submarines is so that they don't have to surface for oxygen \/ release diesel fumes. Now they can remain under the sea until they run out of food. That's the benefit of nuclear power submarines. Going back to helicopter if it goes wrong and needs coolant, you're fucked. In a submarine you are in the sea, it's not ideal but you can take water in a hurry. Then you have people safety. This is the limiting factor in my opinion. Nuclear power is basically 3 forms, alpha, beta and gamma radiation. Gamma is the most penetrative so you need meters of concrete and lead to make sure that the radiation can't go \"outside\". I am not a mechanical engineer but this will cause the major difficulties but I don't think that this will leave the ground ;-) There are more drawbacks than benefits so that this would never happen. Please ask if you have follow up questions.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1347.0,"score_ratio":7.5} +{"post_id":"3ixu8k","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Would it be possible to build a nuclear powered helicopter (with current technology) It would work like a submarine, with reactor generating electricity for electric motor(s). How large would helicopter have to be?","c_root_id_A":"cukm1rn","c_root_id_B":"cukptr1","created_at_utc_A":1440928035,"created_at_utc_B":1440941318,"score_A":2,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I am not sure it is possible but even if it was technically possible, no one would do it. Imagine a helicopter crashing with a nuclear reactor on board.","human_ref_B":"There were some efforts to build a nuclear powered airplane in the early Cold War. The engines themselves were tested on the ground and worked, but the design wasn't feasible, largely due to the shielding problem. Submarines are large enough to have adequate shielding so as not to have significant radiation exposure to the crew, although there's a performance penalty. Submarines float\/are neutrally buoyant, however, and it's pretty easy to design something that displaces enough water for that to work. To design something with enough lift, whether a plane or a helicopter, to carry a reactor, necessary shielding, and have a useful load is difficult and prohibitively expensive.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13283.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"3ixu8k","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Would it be possible to build a nuclear powered helicopter (with current technology) It would work like a submarine, with reactor generating electricity for electric motor(s). How large would helicopter have to be?","c_root_id_A":"cukm1rn","c_root_id_B":"cuksuap","created_at_utc_A":1440928035,"created_at_utc_B":1440948044,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I am not sure it is possible but even if it was technically possible, no one would do it. Imagine a helicopter crashing with a nuclear reactor on board.","human_ref_B":"I think it's actually not possible. The nuclear reactor with the highest power-to-weight ratio I know of is the SAFE-400 which is designed to produce 100kW in space but could probably produce 200kW on the ground (because the cold side could be kept much colder) and weighs 512kg, for 0.4 kW\/kg. Most helicopter engines need a power to weight ratio of at least 0.8 kW\/kg (for old radial piston engines), and are often as high as 5 kW\/kg (for modern gas turbines).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20009.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"99dpdn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How feasible is it to use solar power in desert regions to desalinate water and turn those regions to farmable land? I know Israel have done a lot in this regard. I've just always wondered why it isn't talked about more, or maybe I'm looking in the wrong places. This seems like an answer to many current and future problems. Lack of water\/climate change etc. If Africa continues developing would this be a real strategy? Could huge swathes of desert be converted to farmable land? Wouldn't this also be a great way to deal with solar power surges during the day, eg. desalinate water when there's excess power during the day. The idea of turning deserts into plant life using the sun really excites me. How feasible is this?","c_root_id_A":"e4msjof","c_root_id_B":"e4n168i","created_at_utc_A":1534947916,"created_at_utc_B":1534955187,"score_A":28,"score_B":85,"human_ref_A":"It's cheaper to just buy arable land is the answer I suspect. But you also have to realize that good quality topsoil is not just sand + water. So it's really not that simple to turn desert into farmland.","human_ref_B":"Short answer: If it were commercially viable, it'd be done already. (Lots of extreme shortcuts and back of the envelope math to ensue just to get order of magnitude costs. nothing in this post constitutes actionable advice or sealed opinions of probable costs. Just some 'figuring' to discern some actionable numbers). Long answer: Crops grow best where the natural climate is already well suited for growing. Trying to terraform desert into arable farm land is incredibly water intensive, cost ineffective, and ultimately just really hard to do. Starting Assumptions: Very arid region. Soil conditions are good for growing minus water. Assumed no rainfall. Assume worst case evaporation. Assume salt water source is plentiful and disposal costs are ignored (as most people are oft to do when first discovering RO's uses). Ignored anything regarding RO recovery rates and just went with published sources I could find. I welcome anyone to correct maths errors I may have made. Let's take Wheat for example which takes somewhere on the order of 1.3 million gallons of water per acre of farm land over the 14 week growing cycle depending on the evaporation rate and what type of crop is going to planted. (approximately .21 acre inches per day for crop needs in wheat or corn plus another .3 in normal ET for high temperature\/desert regions over a 14 week growing cycle). For 100 acres of farm land, you're now at 135 million gallons of water and a 1.3MGD RO Desalination plant. agricultural water demand ET source So... let's take worst case power consumption and assume typical seawater desal. Per a wateruse.org white paper, typical seawater RO 8.2 kWh per 1,000 gallons for just treatment and a total power consumption for supply pumping, distribution pumping, and others at approximately 11.4kWh\/kgal. So for our 1.3 MGD plant, you're now at ~15,000 kWh per day to effectively desal enough seawater for 100 acres, A typical solar panel produces between 250-300 Watts in peak sun. We're looking at desert so ideally 4-6 hours per day of viable energy production. So for 15,000 kWh per day over, let's be generous and say 7 hours per day of production and 250 watts of production per solar panel means ~8500 solar panels to produce enough power to desal enough water to farm 100 acres. I can find on the internet pricing for equipment and adding a factor for installation costs and back of the envelope pricing for plants... 8,500 solar panels - $6.4 MM 1.3 MGD SWRO - $12.0 MM And that's assuming everything is running efficiently. I don't know of many places where you can invest 18 million per hundred acres of farmland and ever expect to earn back your money. And in the grand scheme of things, you can probably help a lot more people using that same investment through installing more traditional water treatment equipment in areas where there are existing water sources that are just too polluted or infested to be usable for human consumption.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7271.0,"score_ratio":3.0357142857} +{"post_id":"99dpdn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How feasible is it to use solar power in desert regions to desalinate water and turn those regions to farmable land? I know Israel have done a lot in this regard. I've just always wondered why it isn't talked about more, or maybe I'm looking in the wrong places. This seems like an answer to many current and future problems. Lack of water\/climate change etc. If Africa continues developing would this be a real strategy? Could huge swathes of desert be converted to farmable land? Wouldn't this also be a great way to deal with solar power surges during the day, eg. desalinate water when there's excess power during the day. The idea of turning deserts into plant life using the sun really excites me. How feasible is this?","c_root_id_A":"e4mw6uc","c_root_id_B":"e4n168i","created_at_utc_A":1534951139,"created_at_utc_B":1534955187,"score_A":8,"score_B":85,"human_ref_A":"RO water usually has ~500 ppm sodium which is fine for drinking water but unacceptable for farming. Also desert land usually has shit soil on top of being really dry.","human_ref_B":"Short answer: If it were commercially viable, it'd be done already. (Lots of extreme shortcuts and back of the envelope math to ensue just to get order of magnitude costs. nothing in this post constitutes actionable advice or sealed opinions of probable costs. Just some 'figuring' to discern some actionable numbers). Long answer: Crops grow best where the natural climate is already well suited for growing. Trying to terraform desert into arable farm land is incredibly water intensive, cost ineffective, and ultimately just really hard to do. Starting Assumptions: Very arid region. Soil conditions are good for growing minus water. Assumed no rainfall. Assume worst case evaporation. Assume salt water source is plentiful and disposal costs are ignored (as most people are oft to do when first discovering RO's uses). Ignored anything regarding RO recovery rates and just went with published sources I could find. I welcome anyone to correct maths errors I may have made. Let's take Wheat for example which takes somewhere on the order of 1.3 million gallons of water per acre of farm land over the 14 week growing cycle depending on the evaporation rate and what type of crop is going to planted. (approximately .21 acre inches per day for crop needs in wheat or corn plus another .3 in normal ET for high temperature\/desert regions over a 14 week growing cycle). For 100 acres of farm land, you're now at 135 million gallons of water and a 1.3MGD RO Desalination plant. agricultural water demand ET source So... let's take worst case power consumption and assume typical seawater desal. Per a wateruse.org white paper, typical seawater RO 8.2 kWh per 1,000 gallons for just treatment and a total power consumption for supply pumping, distribution pumping, and others at approximately 11.4kWh\/kgal. So for our 1.3 MGD plant, you're now at ~15,000 kWh per day to effectively desal enough seawater for 100 acres, A typical solar panel produces between 250-300 Watts in peak sun. We're looking at desert so ideally 4-6 hours per day of viable energy production. So for 15,000 kWh per day over, let's be generous and say 7 hours per day of production and 250 watts of production per solar panel means ~8500 solar panels to produce enough power to desal enough water to farm 100 acres. I can find on the internet pricing for equipment and adding a factor for installation costs and back of the envelope pricing for plants... 8,500 solar panels - $6.4 MM 1.3 MGD SWRO - $12.0 MM And that's assuming everything is running efficiently. I don't know of many places where you can invest 18 million per hundred acres of farmland and ever expect to earn back your money. And in the grand scheme of things, you can probably help a lot more people using that same investment through installing more traditional water treatment equipment in areas where there are existing water sources that are just too polluted or infested to be usable for human consumption.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4048.0,"score_ratio":10.625} +{"post_id":"99dpdn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How feasible is it to use solar power in desert regions to desalinate water and turn those regions to farmable land? I know Israel have done a lot in this regard. I've just always wondered why it isn't talked about more, or maybe I'm looking in the wrong places. This seems like an answer to many current and future problems. Lack of water\/climate change etc. If Africa continues developing would this be a real strategy? Could huge swathes of desert be converted to farmable land? Wouldn't this also be a great way to deal with solar power surges during the day, eg. desalinate water when there's excess power during the day. The idea of turning deserts into plant life using the sun really excites me. How feasible is this?","c_root_id_A":"e4mzogr","c_root_id_B":"e4n168i","created_at_utc_A":1534953987,"created_at_utc_B":1534955187,"score_A":6,"score_B":85,"human_ref_A":"Totally feasible. To skip the issues of soil quality, hydroponic farming is probably the way to go. You can control temperature better and grow year round. Deserts tend to get too hot and too cold. But this will have a negative environmental impact as well. By carpeting solar panels in the desert you ruin native species. In the American Southwest for example the desert is actually packed with adapted plants and animals. The Sahara desert feeds the Amazon rainforest with nutrients. Edit: also, hydroponics will cut down on water usage, thus reducing power needs, footprint, and total cost. The ideal place to do all this is a desert that is close to sea water and a market for the crops. North Africa comes to mind as a great candidate. Keep in mind that this process is exactly replicating nature. Fresh water is created by evaporative desalination. Since we have a more energy efficient process (reverse osmosis) but also worse power density (solar panels) we might be able to compete with nature.","human_ref_B":"Short answer: If it were commercially viable, it'd be done already. (Lots of extreme shortcuts and back of the envelope math to ensue just to get order of magnitude costs. nothing in this post constitutes actionable advice or sealed opinions of probable costs. Just some 'figuring' to discern some actionable numbers). Long answer: Crops grow best where the natural climate is already well suited for growing. Trying to terraform desert into arable farm land is incredibly water intensive, cost ineffective, and ultimately just really hard to do. Starting Assumptions: Very arid region. Soil conditions are good for growing minus water. Assumed no rainfall. Assume worst case evaporation. Assume salt water source is plentiful and disposal costs are ignored (as most people are oft to do when first discovering RO's uses). Ignored anything regarding RO recovery rates and just went with published sources I could find. I welcome anyone to correct maths errors I may have made. Let's take Wheat for example which takes somewhere on the order of 1.3 million gallons of water per acre of farm land over the 14 week growing cycle depending on the evaporation rate and what type of crop is going to planted. (approximately .21 acre inches per day for crop needs in wheat or corn plus another .3 in normal ET for high temperature\/desert regions over a 14 week growing cycle). For 100 acres of farm land, you're now at 135 million gallons of water and a 1.3MGD RO Desalination plant. agricultural water demand ET source So... let's take worst case power consumption and assume typical seawater desal. Per a wateruse.org white paper, typical seawater RO 8.2 kWh per 1,000 gallons for just treatment and a total power consumption for supply pumping, distribution pumping, and others at approximately 11.4kWh\/kgal. So for our 1.3 MGD plant, you're now at ~15,000 kWh per day to effectively desal enough seawater for 100 acres, A typical solar panel produces between 250-300 Watts in peak sun. We're looking at desert so ideally 4-6 hours per day of viable energy production. So for 15,000 kWh per day over, let's be generous and say 7 hours per day of production and 250 watts of production per solar panel means ~8500 solar panels to produce enough power to desal enough water to farm 100 acres. I can find on the internet pricing for equipment and adding a factor for installation costs and back of the envelope pricing for plants... 8,500 solar panels - $6.4 MM 1.3 MGD SWRO - $12.0 MM And that's assuming everything is running efficiently. I don't know of many places where you can invest 18 million per hundred acres of farmland and ever expect to earn back your money. And in the grand scheme of things, you can probably help a lot more people using that same investment through installing more traditional water treatment equipment in areas where there are existing water sources that are just too polluted or infested to be usable for human consumption.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1200.0,"score_ratio":14.1666666667} +{"post_id":"99dpdn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How feasible is it to use solar power in desert regions to desalinate water and turn those regions to farmable land? I know Israel have done a lot in this regard. I've just always wondered why it isn't talked about more, or maybe I'm looking in the wrong places. This seems like an answer to many current and future problems. Lack of water\/climate change etc. If Africa continues developing would this be a real strategy? Could huge swathes of desert be converted to farmable land? Wouldn't this also be a great way to deal with solar power surges during the day, eg. desalinate water when there's excess power during the day. The idea of turning deserts into plant life using the sun really excites me. How feasible is this?","c_root_id_A":"e4mxp0y","c_root_id_B":"e4n168i","created_at_utc_A":1534952383,"created_at_utc_B":1534955187,"score_A":6,"score_B":85,"human_ref_A":"The easiest way to do what you are thinking is to punch a well and run hydroponic in greenhouses like seen in Spain.","human_ref_B":"Short answer: If it were commercially viable, it'd be done already. (Lots of extreme shortcuts and back of the envelope math to ensue just to get order of magnitude costs. nothing in this post constitutes actionable advice or sealed opinions of probable costs. Just some 'figuring' to discern some actionable numbers). Long answer: Crops grow best where the natural climate is already well suited for growing. Trying to terraform desert into arable farm land is incredibly water intensive, cost ineffective, and ultimately just really hard to do. Starting Assumptions: Very arid region. Soil conditions are good for growing minus water. Assumed no rainfall. Assume worst case evaporation. Assume salt water source is plentiful and disposal costs are ignored (as most people are oft to do when first discovering RO's uses). Ignored anything regarding RO recovery rates and just went with published sources I could find. I welcome anyone to correct maths errors I may have made. Let's take Wheat for example which takes somewhere on the order of 1.3 million gallons of water per acre of farm land over the 14 week growing cycle depending on the evaporation rate and what type of crop is going to planted. (approximately .21 acre inches per day for crop needs in wheat or corn plus another .3 in normal ET for high temperature\/desert regions over a 14 week growing cycle). For 100 acres of farm land, you're now at 135 million gallons of water and a 1.3MGD RO Desalination plant. agricultural water demand ET source So... let's take worst case power consumption and assume typical seawater desal. Per a wateruse.org white paper, typical seawater RO 8.2 kWh per 1,000 gallons for just treatment and a total power consumption for supply pumping, distribution pumping, and others at approximately 11.4kWh\/kgal. So for our 1.3 MGD plant, you're now at ~15,000 kWh per day to effectively desal enough seawater for 100 acres, A typical solar panel produces between 250-300 Watts in peak sun. We're looking at desert so ideally 4-6 hours per day of viable energy production. So for 15,000 kWh per day over, let's be generous and say 7 hours per day of production and 250 watts of production per solar panel means ~8500 solar panels to produce enough power to desal enough water to farm 100 acres. I can find on the internet pricing for equipment and adding a factor for installation costs and back of the envelope pricing for plants... 8,500 solar panels - $6.4 MM 1.3 MGD SWRO - $12.0 MM And that's assuming everything is running efficiently. I don't know of many places where you can invest 18 million per hundred acres of farmland and ever expect to earn back your money. And in the grand scheme of things, you can probably help a lot more people using that same investment through installing more traditional water treatment equipment in areas where there are existing water sources that are just too polluted or infested to be usable for human consumption.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2804.0,"score_ratio":14.1666666667} +{"post_id":"29a37o","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"engineers: what kind of writing do you have to do on a regular basis? (x-post r\/engineering) I'm doing a paper for a writing class, and I'm supposed to write about the kind of writing I might expect to do in a chosen profession. So, what kind of writing do you guys do? ANYTHING from emails, memos, coding (what languages?), documentation, presentations, whatever. Please include what kind of engineering you do and if there are any industry standards for if any writing that you do is supposed to be done a certain way, i.e. any formatting standards. here are questions from the assignment outline to think about (note they don't NECESSARILY all have to be answered) 1.\tWhat type of writing will I do as a member of this profession? How often will I be expected to produce writing? 2.\tDoes this profession\/discourse community require me to be familiar with particular terminology? If so, what do I need to do to familiarize myself with the common terminology? 3.\tWhat types (genres) of documents will I produce as a member of this profession? 4.\tWhat audiences will the documents I produce need to address? How will my audiences shape my tone? For example, if you are planning to be a software engineer and you need to write whitepapers, will you be writing them for a lay audience, who knows almost nothing about computer code, or for other engineers? 5.\tWhat purposes will my documentation fulfill? For example, will you be communicating with your boss about the latest product you\u2019ve designed for the company? Writing an informal report about a business conference? Creating a formal scientific report detailing your research findings? 6.\tWhat writing habits can I develop now that will help me in my chosen profession? thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ciiyxxv","c_root_id_B":"ciiy5tk","created_at_utc_A":1403916547,"created_at_utc_B":1403914550,"score_A":10,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Chemical engineer, here. Procedures. Procedures. Oh my god procedures. And more procedures. What does this equipment \/ plant \/ unit \/ system do? How do I install it? How do I start it up? How do I shut it down for maintenance? How do I clean it? Is starting it cold different from starting it hot? Is starting it the tenth time different from starting it the first time? How do I shut it down in an emergency situation? What things do I need to routinely check while it's running? Then there is a thing called a HAZOP. (hazard and operability review). This review meeting generally happens two to six times over the course of a project's life and can be up to 6-8 weeks long, depending on the size of the project. It includes design engineers, field engineers, operators, commissioning and startup engineers, and frequently other disciplines as well from each contractor involved and the owner\/operator of the plant. The HAZOP generates thousands of action items, which can be anything from major design changes to small notes that need to be included in operating, maintenance, or startup procedures. These additions can frequently involve (you probably guessed it) writing new procedures.","human_ref_B":"Patents. I have to explain the invention on a very detailed level, in writing, to the patent attorney so they can write it in the proper rhetoric for patents. Depending on the invention, I have to write 2-5 pages on it. And it's not easy to write either. It's nearly a layman's explanation, but I still get to use big words.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1997.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} +{"post_id":"29a37o","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"engineers: what kind of writing do you have to do on a regular basis? (x-post r\/engineering) I'm doing a paper for a writing class, and I'm supposed to write about the kind of writing I might expect to do in a chosen profession. So, what kind of writing do you guys do? ANYTHING from emails, memos, coding (what languages?), documentation, presentations, whatever. Please include what kind of engineering you do and if there are any industry standards for if any writing that you do is supposed to be done a certain way, i.e. any formatting standards. here are questions from the assignment outline to think about (note they don't NECESSARILY all have to be answered) 1.\tWhat type of writing will I do as a member of this profession? How often will I be expected to produce writing? 2.\tDoes this profession\/discourse community require me to be familiar with particular terminology? If so, what do I need to do to familiarize myself with the common terminology? 3.\tWhat types (genres) of documents will I produce as a member of this profession? 4.\tWhat audiences will the documents I produce need to address? How will my audiences shape my tone? For example, if you are planning to be a software engineer and you need to write whitepapers, will you be writing them for a lay audience, who knows almost nothing about computer code, or for other engineers? 5.\tWhat purposes will my documentation fulfill? For example, will you be communicating with your boss about the latest product you\u2019ve designed for the company? Writing an informal report about a business conference? Creating a formal scientific report detailing your research findings? 6.\tWhat writing habits can I develop now that will help me in my chosen profession? thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ciiybpu","c_root_id_B":"ciiyxxv","created_at_utc_A":1403914971,"created_at_utc_B":1403916547,"score_A":2,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I've worn many hats in my budding career in engineering and use my writing skills a lot. I've done tech data which includes writing component maintenance manuals for the consumers and have written all sorts of test plans and result reports. Something most people forget about however are emails. Emails to customers, test labs, supervisors, other companies, philanthropy, etc. I've found that being able to appropriately and clearly communicate and articulate your messages, descriptions, comments to concerns and questions to all kinds of recipients is a very important quality to have. It allows you to stand out and rise up to represent projects and companies because higher ups can have faith in your professional abilities to be the face of the company when they need representatives. Just my two cents. Good luck!","human_ref_B":"Chemical engineer, here. Procedures. Procedures. Oh my god procedures. And more procedures. What does this equipment \/ plant \/ unit \/ system do? How do I install it? How do I start it up? How do I shut it down for maintenance? How do I clean it? Is starting it cold different from starting it hot? Is starting it the tenth time different from starting it the first time? How do I shut it down in an emergency situation? What things do I need to routinely check while it's running? Then there is a thing called a HAZOP. (hazard and operability review). This review meeting generally happens two to six times over the course of a project's life and can be up to 6-8 weeks long, depending on the size of the project. It includes design engineers, field engineers, operators, commissioning and startup engineers, and frequently other disciplines as well from each contractor involved and the owner\/operator of the plant. The HAZOP generates thousands of action items, which can be anything from major design changes to small notes that need to be included in operating, maintenance, or startup procedures. These additions can frequently involve (you probably guessed it) writing new procedures.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1576.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"29a37o","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"engineers: what kind of writing do you have to do on a regular basis? (x-post r\/engineering) I'm doing a paper for a writing class, and I'm supposed to write about the kind of writing I might expect to do in a chosen profession. So, what kind of writing do you guys do? ANYTHING from emails, memos, coding (what languages?), documentation, presentations, whatever. Please include what kind of engineering you do and if there are any industry standards for if any writing that you do is supposed to be done a certain way, i.e. any formatting standards. here are questions from the assignment outline to think about (note they don't NECESSARILY all have to be answered) 1.\tWhat type of writing will I do as a member of this profession? How often will I be expected to produce writing? 2.\tDoes this profession\/discourse community require me to be familiar with particular terminology? If so, what do I need to do to familiarize myself with the common terminology? 3.\tWhat types (genres) of documents will I produce as a member of this profession? 4.\tWhat audiences will the documents I produce need to address? How will my audiences shape my tone? For example, if you are planning to be a software engineer and you need to write whitepapers, will you be writing them for a lay audience, who knows almost nothing about computer code, or for other engineers? 5.\tWhat purposes will my documentation fulfill? For example, will you be communicating with your boss about the latest product you\u2019ve designed for the company? Writing an informal report about a business conference? Creating a formal scientific report detailing your research findings? 6.\tWhat writing habits can I develop now that will help me in my chosen profession? thanks!","c_root_id_A":"cij0wmw","c_root_id_B":"ciiy5tk","created_at_utc_A":1403921795,"created_at_utc_B":1403914550,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"By the end of summer I have to write an AFE - authorization for expenditure - which is a factual but persuasive document convincing corporate bigwigs that it is prudent to spend a few million dollars on equipment upgrades. NO PRESSURE THOUGH.","human_ref_B":"Patents. I have to explain the invention on a very detailed level, in writing, to the patent attorney so they can write it in the proper rhetoric for patents. Depending on the invention, I have to write 2-5 pages on it. And it's not easy to write either. It's nearly a layman's explanation, but I still get to use big words.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7245.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"29a37o","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"engineers: what kind of writing do you have to do on a regular basis? (x-post r\/engineering) I'm doing a paper for a writing class, and I'm supposed to write about the kind of writing I might expect to do in a chosen profession. So, what kind of writing do you guys do? ANYTHING from emails, memos, coding (what languages?), documentation, presentations, whatever. Please include what kind of engineering you do and if there are any industry standards for if any writing that you do is supposed to be done a certain way, i.e. any formatting standards. here are questions from the assignment outline to think about (note they don't NECESSARILY all have to be answered) 1.\tWhat type of writing will I do as a member of this profession? How often will I be expected to produce writing? 2.\tDoes this profession\/discourse community require me to be familiar with particular terminology? If so, what do I need to do to familiarize myself with the common terminology? 3.\tWhat types (genres) of documents will I produce as a member of this profession? 4.\tWhat audiences will the documents I produce need to address? How will my audiences shape my tone? For example, if you are planning to be a software engineer and you need to write whitepapers, will you be writing them for a lay audience, who knows almost nothing about computer code, or for other engineers? 5.\tWhat purposes will my documentation fulfill? For example, will you be communicating with your boss about the latest product you\u2019ve designed for the company? Writing an informal report about a business conference? Creating a formal scientific report detailing your research findings? 6.\tWhat writing habits can I develop now that will help me in my chosen profession? thanks!","c_root_id_A":"ciiybpu","c_root_id_B":"cij0wmw","created_at_utc_A":1403914971,"created_at_utc_B":1403921795,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I've worn many hats in my budding career in engineering and use my writing skills a lot. I've done tech data which includes writing component maintenance manuals for the consumers and have written all sorts of test plans and result reports. Something most people forget about however are emails. Emails to customers, test labs, supervisors, other companies, philanthropy, etc. I've found that being able to appropriately and clearly communicate and articulate your messages, descriptions, comments to concerns and questions to all kinds of recipients is a very important quality to have. It allows you to stand out and rise up to represent projects and companies because higher ups can have faith in your professional abilities to be the face of the company when they need representatives. Just my two cents. Good luck!","human_ref_B":"By the end of summer I have to write an AFE - authorization for expenditure - which is a factual but persuasive document convincing corporate bigwigs that it is prudent to spend a few million dollars on equipment upgrades. NO PRESSURE THOUGH.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6824.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"29a37o","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"engineers: what kind of writing do you have to do on a regular basis? (x-post r\/engineering) I'm doing a paper for a writing class, and I'm supposed to write about the kind of writing I might expect to do in a chosen profession. So, what kind of writing do you guys do? ANYTHING from emails, memos, coding (what languages?), documentation, presentations, whatever. Please include what kind of engineering you do and if there are any industry standards for if any writing that you do is supposed to be done a certain way, i.e. any formatting standards. here are questions from the assignment outline to think about (note they don't NECESSARILY all have to be answered) 1.\tWhat type of writing will I do as a member of this profession? How often will I be expected to produce writing? 2.\tDoes this profession\/discourse community require me to be familiar with particular terminology? If so, what do I need to do to familiarize myself with the common terminology? 3.\tWhat types (genres) of documents will I produce as a member of this profession? 4.\tWhat audiences will the documents I produce need to address? How will my audiences shape my tone? For example, if you are planning to be a software engineer and you need to write whitepapers, will you be writing them for a lay audience, who knows almost nothing about computer code, or for other engineers? 5.\tWhat purposes will my documentation fulfill? For example, will you be communicating with your boss about the latest product you\u2019ve designed for the company? Writing an informal report about a business conference? Creating a formal scientific report detailing your research findings? 6.\tWhat writing habits can I develop now that will help me in my chosen profession? thanks!","c_root_id_A":"cij0wmw","c_root_id_B":"cij093g","created_at_utc_A":1403921795,"created_at_utc_B":1403920059,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"By the end of summer I have to write an AFE - authorization for expenditure - which is a factual but persuasive document convincing corporate bigwigs that it is prudent to spend a few million dollars on equipment upgrades. NO PRESSURE THOUGH.","human_ref_B":"I was hired as a general mechanical engineer, which at my small company meant you floated and did whatever technical tasks were needed. As such, the first 1-2 years (diminishing as time went on) included informal presentations about data I had produced\/reduced, and more formal progress reports and final reports for several SBIR programs I was working on. Different SBIR customers require different things, but the format was pretty flexible to let you present information as effectively as possible. Informal presentations were typically within our small group (as they often are today) but sometimes include customers on web conferences. The last several years I have been in charge of a process at my company and am officially titled as a process engineer. As such, I wrote the specification for that process which is a very formal document strictly outlining how to conduct the work. I now maintain and revise the document as needed. I wrote it for people that have no idea how the equipment or process works - it tells you from the ground up what to do. In conjunction with my process duties, I also document my R&D associated with it. This is for me, but I generally write it such that I could hand it off to someone else and they'll understand what I was doing. Not very formal, but still technically detailed. I often write it to be understood by a complete idiot who knows technical terms - since that's me when I read my notes a year later. Another place I write is in documenting how to use process equipment that I design. Again, this is written for someone who doesn't know anything about the equipment to start with. This is written like your basic technical manual. Open up a manual for any electronic device and you'll get the idea. E-mails tend to be less formal, and even the most technical discussions via e-mail will be pretty conversational. Expect jargon throughout. You'll be developing your writing habits in college. Your lab classes and senior project(s) will be good practice. Generally, the formal writing style is exactly like lab reports. Don't worry about terminology. If you don't know it going into a project, you'll know it by the time you're done. You're expected to learn as you go. Hopefully your degree gives you some basic knowledge here. **tl;dr:** 1. Depends entirely on the exact position you're in. I write e-mails every day or two. I write formal things every ~6 months. I write lab notes sporadically. 2. Sure you need to know the terminology, but you'll learn it as you go. You'll hear it everyday, read it doing research, etc. 3. I write e-mails, presentations, formal reports for customers, process specifications, and technical manuals. 4. I write for my friends at work (often very informal), other team members (technical conversation), higher-ups\/new people\/vendors\/customers (very respectful technical conversation), and myself and other people who may need to know what I know (dry formal technical writing, which I actually enjoy). 5. Everything from \"hey Steve, when you get a chance please cut this sample per the drawing\" to final reports detailing research results. 6. I assume you're working on a technical degree or going to be soon. Your degree will give you a feel for writing with lab reports and projects. You can always, including right now, read technical journals, reports, and so on to get comfortable with it. Sorry this was so long.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1736.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"70j4be","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Concord took to the skies almost 70 years ago. Why are passenger planes significantly slower (and less cool), rather than tech advancing to reduce journey times?","c_root_id_A":"dn3ixrc","c_root_id_B":"dn3mnrz","created_at_utc_A":1505594265,"created_at_utc_B":1505599234,"score_A":37,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"Well what motivates any company and thus the engineering behind them is low cost. You want an efficient consumption of fuel and low cost, fast maintenance. Which in turn makes for cheaper flight costs. Going faster means more force, more quality materials and more maintenance basically. That would make it a more expensive flight ticket. You could say there's a market for that, but tbh, having a couples hours shaved from the flight won't be worth double the price for most people (am guessing how much it would cost).","human_ref_B":"Aviation is a hobby of mine, so this answer is not from a aeronautical engineer. Concorde had turbojet engines (like fighter aircraft) whereas passenger jets have turbofan engines. Turbojets burn significantly more fuel than turbofans (this isn't precisely true, but it's effectively true). The biggest cost of flying is the fuel. This made seats on the concorde twice as expensive as regular first class seats on the same route. According to quora, a Heathrow -> New York roundtrip cost $12,000, which is $22,500 in today's money. Unfortunately, the concorde also had a small fuselage, so to keep ticket prices reasonable airlines had to pack seats as densely as economy seats. All the concorde did was shorten an 8 hour flight to 3.5 hours, it was not worth it to most people. Does this mean supersonic travel is dead? No, both Boeing and Airbus are working on new supersonic passenger jets. A supersonic jumbo jet capable of carrying 300 people might be commercially viable as well as supersonic private jets. Such planes are being researched, I believe.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4969.0,"score_ratio":1.2432432432} +{"post_id":"70j4be","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Concord took to the skies almost 70 years ago. Why are passenger planes significantly slower (and less cool), rather than tech advancing to reduce journey times?","c_root_id_A":"dn3kffj","c_root_id_B":"dn3mnrz","created_at_utc_A":1505596243,"created_at_utc_B":1505599234,"score_A":27,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"Because the high side of the sweet spot for fuel economy and practical aircraft design is around Mach 0.9. I don't see anything coming up that will quickly change that. The B727 could cruise at Mach .9 and if really pressed, reach Mach .95 which is over 15 percent faster than current aircraft. But that was when jet fuel was USD 0.10 per gallon. And it was a noisy, dirty aircraft. EDIT: The B727 was closer to 10 percent faster.","human_ref_B":"Aviation is a hobby of mine, so this answer is not from a aeronautical engineer. Concorde had turbojet engines (like fighter aircraft) whereas passenger jets have turbofan engines. Turbojets burn significantly more fuel than turbofans (this isn't precisely true, but it's effectively true). The biggest cost of flying is the fuel. This made seats on the concorde twice as expensive as regular first class seats on the same route. According to quora, a Heathrow -> New York roundtrip cost $12,000, which is $22,500 in today's money. Unfortunately, the concorde also had a small fuselage, so to keep ticket prices reasonable airlines had to pack seats as densely as economy seats. All the concorde did was shorten an 8 hour flight to 3.5 hours, it was not worth it to most people. Does this mean supersonic travel is dead? No, both Boeing and Airbus are working on new supersonic passenger jets. A supersonic jumbo jet capable of carrying 300 people might be commercially viable as well as supersonic private jets. Such planes are being researched, I believe.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2991.0,"score_ratio":1.7037037037} +{"post_id":"70j4be","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Concord took to the skies almost 70 years ago. Why are passenger planes significantly slower (and less cool), rather than tech advancing to reduce journey times?","c_root_id_A":"dn3n374","c_root_id_B":"dn3kffj","created_at_utc_A":1505599806,"created_at_utc_B":1505596243,"score_A":30,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"It was March 1969, only 47 years ago. Doesn't invalidate your question but worth pointing out.","human_ref_B":"Because the high side of the sweet spot for fuel economy and practical aircraft design is around Mach 0.9. I don't see anything coming up that will quickly change that. The B727 could cruise at Mach .9 and if really pressed, reach Mach .95 which is over 15 percent faster than current aircraft. But that was when jet fuel was USD 0.10 per gallon. And it was a noisy, dirty aircraft. EDIT: The B727 was closer to 10 percent faster.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3563.0,"score_ratio":1.1111111111} +{"post_id":"70j4be","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Concord took to the skies almost 70 years ago. Why are passenger planes significantly slower (and less cool), rather than tech advancing to reduce journey times?","c_root_id_A":"dn3musp","c_root_id_B":"dn3n374","created_at_utc_A":1505599493,"created_at_utc_B":1505599806,"score_A":5,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"Wendover Productions did a really great video about this topic. He also made several other videos on the economics of airlines. https:\/\/youtu.be\/n1QEj09Pe6k","human_ref_B":"It was March 1969, only 47 years ago. Doesn't invalidate your question but worth pointing out.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":313.0,"score_ratio":6.0} +{"post_id":"70j4be","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Concord took to the skies almost 70 years ago. Why are passenger planes significantly slower (and less cool), rather than tech advancing to reduce journey times?","c_root_id_A":"dn3musp","c_root_id_B":"dn3pyq2","created_at_utc_A":1505599493,"created_at_utc_B":1505603666,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Wendover Productions did a really great video about this topic. He also made several other videos on the economics of airlines. https:\/\/youtu.be\/n1QEj09Pe6k","human_ref_B":"A somewhat copy\/paste from a similar comment regarding the Concorde and why don't have anything similar today: Supersonic flight just isn't economically viable given the risk vs. development costs - that's why nobody has built them since the Concorde. It can certainly be done, but the tens of billions of dollars to develop a large supersonic passenger jet isn't worth the risk when you consider the following: - Fuel costs per passenger per mile several multiples higher than current subsonic aircraft (burns way more fuel and carries way less people) - Ticket prices closer to first class fares (or higher!) that severely limit your potential customers - Sonic booms that prohibit over-land flight paths - Unproven reliability and high maintenance costs for the airline that purchases it Having a fleet of several hundred would certainly bring some of these costs down, but how many people are truly going to pay an extra $5-6000 more to save 8 hours of flight time in a world where people shop primarily by lowest ticket price alone? Some smaller startups have recently raised some cash to develop small supersonic business jets. But they have zero track record of developing any aircraft at all, so I would put them up there with flying cars and jet packs as far as their chances of success.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4173.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"70j4be","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Concord took to the skies almost 70 years ago. Why are passenger planes significantly slower (and less cool), rather than tech advancing to reduce journey times?","c_root_id_A":"dn3musp","c_root_id_B":"dn3uxdw","created_at_utc_A":1505599493,"created_at_utc_B":1505610850,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Wendover Productions did a really great video about this topic. He also made several other videos on the economics of airlines. https:\/\/youtu.be\/n1QEj09Pe6k","human_ref_B":"The Concord was first flown in 1969, and entered passenger service in 1976.... nowhere near \"almost 70 years ago\".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11357.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"fg9ulb","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why do Helicoil inserts not damage aluminum threads in the same way a bolt directly installed might? I\u2019m confused how threaded inserts\/helicoil allow for threads in soft materials to be more reliably loaded. If I follow the torque path\/force path through a fastened joint, it seems that the aluminum threads will experience the same force they would if the bolt was directly installed (just transmitted through the threaded insert as an intermediary). Therefore, I am confused why helicoil is recommended for soft material applications to prevent threads from failing. Are the forces just more reliably distributed across the entire surface area?","c_root_id_A":"fk3dde8","c_root_id_B":"fk3fim0","created_at_utc_A":1583827980,"created_at_utc_B":1583830995,"score_A":7,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"Because the coil is static in the patent metal and with zero clearance. Unlike a screwed in fastener.","human_ref_B":"It has to do with the contact area between a fastener and the threads and the Helicoil with its mating threads. Due to the tolerance of threads and manufacture processes, a screw is not contacting the full length of threads when in a hole. (One rule of thumb is that after about 3 turns of a thread you are not getting much return in strength for more threads.) When a screw is under tension, when torqued down, it is only transmitting that force to a small percentage of the perceived thread engagement length. A Helicoil, when inserted, contacts a much larger percentage of its mating thread because the insertion causes the Helicoil to move from its equilibrium position. There is also the long term wearing due to removing and inserting the screw. With standard threads, there will be predominantly more wear on the softer material. A Helicoil is harder and has much less wear comparably.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3015.0,"score_ratio":4.4285714286} +{"post_id":"fg9ulb","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why do Helicoil inserts not damage aluminum threads in the same way a bolt directly installed might? I\u2019m confused how threaded inserts\/helicoil allow for threads in soft materials to be more reliably loaded. If I follow the torque path\/force path through a fastened joint, it seems that the aluminum threads will experience the same force they would if the bolt was directly installed (just transmitted through the threaded insert as an intermediary). Therefore, I am confused why helicoil is recommended for soft material applications to prevent threads from failing. Are the forces just more reliably distributed across the entire surface area?","c_root_id_A":"fk3iedi","c_root_id_B":"fk3osil","created_at_utc_A":1583835000,"created_at_utc_B":1583841976,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Pressure goes down. Same force but over a larger area.","human_ref_B":"Thread tolerances mean that only a small portion of rigid threads are actually in contact with the aluminum. However, helicoils are flexible and spring loaded, allowing them to conform to the actual dimensions of the aluminum, spreading the load over a larger area.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6976.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"fg9ulb","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why do Helicoil inserts not damage aluminum threads in the same way a bolt directly installed might? I\u2019m confused how threaded inserts\/helicoil allow for threads in soft materials to be more reliably loaded. If I follow the torque path\/force path through a fastened joint, it seems that the aluminum threads will experience the same force they would if the bolt was directly installed (just transmitted through the threaded insert as an intermediary). Therefore, I am confused why helicoil is recommended for soft material applications to prevent threads from failing. Are the forces just more reliably distributed across the entire surface area?","c_root_id_A":"fk3osil","c_root_id_B":"fk3iov2","created_at_utc_A":1583841976,"created_at_utc_B":1583835386,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Thread tolerances mean that only a small portion of rigid threads are actually in contact with the aluminum. However, helicoils are flexible and spring loaded, allowing them to conform to the actual dimensions of the aluminum, spreading the load over a larger area.","human_ref_B":"Also there is a bigger Al circumference\/area.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6590.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"fg9ulb","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why do Helicoil inserts not damage aluminum threads in the same way a bolt directly installed might? I\u2019m confused how threaded inserts\/helicoil allow for threads in soft materials to be more reliably loaded. If I follow the torque path\/force path through a fastened joint, it seems that the aluminum threads will experience the same force they would if the bolt was directly installed (just transmitted through the threaded insert as an intermediary). Therefore, I am confused why helicoil is recommended for soft material applications to prevent threads from failing. Are the forces just more reliably distributed across the entire surface area?","c_root_id_A":"fk3iedi","c_root_id_B":"fk3iov2","created_at_utc_A":1583835000,"created_at_utc_B":1583835386,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Pressure goes down. Same force but over a larger area.","human_ref_B":"Also there is a bigger Al circumference\/area.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":386.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8gotzx","c_root_id_B":"i8h0h5n","created_at_utc_A":1652456192,"created_at_utc_B":1652460780,"score_A":7,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"A jet engine could certainly be set up to burn hydrogen, but why would you want to? Jet fuel is liquid at atmospheric temperature and pressure so you don't need to store it cryogenically or under pressure. Jet fuel is more energy dense than hydrogen. Jet fuel is cheaper than hydrogen; it literally comes out of the ground rather than having to be made using lots of electricity.","human_ref_B":"SAF is becoming a thing. ​ https:\/\/www.honeywell.com\/us\/en\/news\/2021\/12\/what-is-sustainable-aviation-fuel ​ you need hydrogen to create it. ​ https:\/\/www.cleanenergywire.org\/news\/worlds-first-industrial-co2-neutral-e-kerosene-plant-inaugurated-germany ​ disclaimer: i work for a hydrogen producing company.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4588.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8h1iys","c_root_id_B":"i8h3vxo","created_at_utc_A":1652461195,"created_at_utc_B":1652462127,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Different fuels have to be metered and delivered differently. It's about cost.","human_ref_B":"Combustion temperatures for H2 being very high, means an entire engine redesign including expensive materials for higher temperatures.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":932.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8h8tmk","c_root_id_B":"i8h42t8","created_at_utc_A":1652464097,"created_at_utc_B":1652462202,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"In addition to everything mentioned here, Hydrogen embrittlement is a nasty one and is not necessarily limited to steel(s).","human_ref_B":"Energy content by volume is a problem. Additionally the storage is is difficult. So you need a lot of extra space and weight to store hydrogen. It makes an aircraft quite inefficient when you can transport only half of the passengers because all the other space is taken by H2. Also google \"luftschiff hindenburg\", if you want to check how accidents could look like with H2. Edit: To my knowledge jet engines which burn hydrogen can be developed. There is no physical reasons not to.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1895.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8h1iys","c_root_id_B":"i8h8tmk","created_at_utc_A":1652461195,"created_at_utc_B":1652464097,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Different fuels have to be metered and delivered differently. It's about cost.","human_ref_B":"In addition to everything mentioned here, Hydrogen embrittlement is a nasty one and is not necessarily limited to steel(s).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2902.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8ikqql","c_root_id_B":"i8h42t8","created_at_utc_A":1652485190,"created_at_utc_B":1652462202,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Earlier this year Airbus and CFM launched a hydrogen demonstrator program to advance the technology readiness of both the propulsion system and the ground supporting infrastructure. The project is a big undertaking and even with an aggressive time-line the first flight test is still years away. It is definitely possible to run a jet engine on hydrogen, it just takes work to make it happen.","human_ref_B":"Energy content by volume is a problem. Additionally the storage is is difficult. So you need a lot of extra space and weight to store hydrogen. It makes an aircraft quite inefficient when you can transport only half of the passengers because all the other space is taken by H2. Also google \"luftschiff hindenburg\", if you want to check how accidents could look like with H2. Edit: To my knowledge jet engines which burn hydrogen can be developed. There is no physical reasons not to.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22988.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8h1iys","c_root_id_B":"i8h42t8","created_at_utc_A":1652461195,"created_at_utc_B":1652462202,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Different fuels have to be metered and delivered differently. It's about cost.","human_ref_B":"Energy content by volume is a problem. Additionally the storage is is difficult. So you need a lot of extra space and weight to store hydrogen. It makes an aircraft quite inefficient when you can transport only half of the passengers because all the other space is taken by H2. Also google \"luftschiff hindenburg\", if you want to check how accidents could look like with H2. Edit: To my knowledge jet engines which burn hydrogen can be developed. There is no physical reasons not to.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1007.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8ikqql","c_root_id_B":"i8h1iys","created_at_utc_A":1652485190,"created_at_utc_B":1652461195,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Earlier this year Airbus and CFM launched a hydrogen demonstrator program to advance the technology readiness of both the propulsion system and the ground supporting infrastructure. The project is a big undertaking and even with an aggressive time-line the first flight test is still years away. It is definitely possible to run a jet engine on hydrogen, it just takes work to make it happen.","human_ref_B":"Different fuels have to be metered and delivered differently. It's about cost.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23995.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8ikqql","c_root_id_B":"i8ifcfb","created_at_utc_A":1652485190,"created_at_utc_B":1652482582,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Earlier this year Airbus and CFM launched a hydrogen demonstrator program to advance the technology readiness of both the propulsion system and the ground supporting infrastructure. The project is a big undertaking and even with an aggressive time-line the first flight test is still years away. It is definitely possible to run a jet engine on hydrogen, it just takes work to make it happen.","human_ref_B":"The book *Skunk Works* talks about Lockheed's experiments with hydrogen fuel. They gave up on it when their ground facilities caught on fire.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2608.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8ikqql","c_root_id_B":"i8hb8yc","created_at_utc_A":1652485190,"created_at_utc_B":1652465082,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Earlier this year Airbus and CFM launched a hydrogen demonstrator program to advance the technology readiness of both the propulsion system and the ground supporting infrastructure. The project is a big undertaking and even with an aggressive time-line the first flight test is still years away. It is definitely possible to run a jet engine on hydrogen, it just takes work to make it happen.","human_ref_B":"There have been experimental hydrogen-powered jets going back to the 1950s. As others have mentioned, the problem is volumetric energy density, along with the more robust tanks you need to store either extremely high-pressure gas or cryogenic liquid. So changes to the engines themselves are only part of the challenge. There are also some people working on ammonia-based engines. The energy density of ammonia is only slightly higher than liquid hydrogen, but you don't need cryogenic pressure vessels to store it. Another challenge is that any new technology in aviation, particularly the commercial airline industry, requires lots and lots of research and data to prove safety and reliability. The reason we can have twin-engine planes certified to fly 6 hours from a diversion airport is because we have so much data showing the reliability of existing engines. So introducing a new fuel that isn't a drop-in replacement (which is where biofuels are focusing) might not be starting from zero, but will still likely require a lot of testing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20108.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8ikqql","c_root_id_B":"i8hwl1y","created_at_utc_A":1652485190,"created_at_utc_B":1652474064,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Earlier this year Airbus and CFM launched a hydrogen demonstrator program to advance the technology readiness of both the propulsion system and the ground supporting infrastructure. The project is a big undertaking and even with an aggressive time-line the first flight test is still years away. It is definitely possible to run a jet engine on hydrogen, it just takes work to make it happen.","human_ref_B":"if you just hot swapped a h2 tank in place of jet A, it wouldn\u2019t work at all. yes, you could design it to use h2, but the primary concerns are storage as not many people are keen of a hindenburg2","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11126.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8ijx6o","c_root_id_B":"i8ikqql","created_at_utc_A":1652484791,"created_at_utc_B":1652485190,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Hydrogen is a crappy aviation fuel because it's not dense at all. Liquid hydrogen is about 70 kg\/cubic meter. Jet fuel is about 800 kg\/cubic meter, so if you fill a jet fuel tank with liquid hydrogen, you can only put in about 8% of the mass. You also need to keep it \\*really\\* cold, around 20 K. That requires a lot of insulation.","human_ref_B":"Earlier this year Airbus and CFM launched a hydrogen demonstrator program to advance the technology readiness of both the propulsion system and the ground supporting infrastructure. The project is a big undertaking and even with an aggressive time-line the first flight test is still years away. It is definitely possible to run a jet engine on hydrogen, it just takes work to make it happen.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":399.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8inquq","c_root_id_B":"i8h1iys","created_at_utc_A":1652486674,"created_at_utc_B":1652461195,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It is possible to build a jet engine that runs on hydrogen, and it is totally possible for a plane to be powered this way. It will have to be specifically designed for this though. Airbus is working on such a thing: https:\/\/www.airbus.com\/en\/innovation\/zero-emission\/hydrogen\/zeroe","human_ref_B":"Different fuels have to be metered and delivered differently. It's about cost.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25479.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8ifcfb","c_root_id_B":"i8inquq","created_at_utc_A":1652482582,"created_at_utc_B":1652486674,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"The book *Skunk Works* talks about Lockheed's experiments with hydrogen fuel. They gave up on it when their ground facilities caught on fire.","human_ref_B":"It is possible to build a jet engine that runs on hydrogen, and it is totally possible for a plane to be powered this way. It will have to be specifically designed for this though. Airbus is working on such a thing: https:\/\/www.airbus.com\/en\/innovation\/zero-emission\/hydrogen\/zeroe","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4092.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8hb8yc","c_root_id_B":"i8inquq","created_at_utc_A":1652465082,"created_at_utc_B":1652486674,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"There have been experimental hydrogen-powered jets going back to the 1950s. As others have mentioned, the problem is volumetric energy density, along with the more robust tanks you need to store either extremely high-pressure gas or cryogenic liquid. So changes to the engines themselves are only part of the challenge. There are also some people working on ammonia-based engines. The energy density of ammonia is only slightly higher than liquid hydrogen, but you don't need cryogenic pressure vessels to store it. Another challenge is that any new technology in aviation, particularly the commercial airline industry, requires lots and lots of research and data to prove safety and reliability. The reason we can have twin-engine planes certified to fly 6 hours from a diversion airport is because we have so much data showing the reliability of existing engines. So introducing a new fuel that isn't a drop-in replacement (which is where biofuels are focusing) might not be starting from zero, but will still likely require a lot of testing.","human_ref_B":"It is possible to build a jet engine that runs on hydrogen, and it is totally possible for a plane to be powered this way. It will have to be specifically designed for this though. Airbus is working on such a thing: https:\/\/www.airbus.com\/en\/innovation\/zero-emission\/hydrogen\/zeroe","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21592.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8inquq","c_root_id_B":"i8hwl1y","created_at_utc_A":1652486674,"created_at_utc_B":1652474064,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It is possible to build a jet engine that runs on hydrogen, and it is totally possible for a plane to be powered this way. It will have to be specifically designed for this though. Airbus is working on such a thing: https:\/\/www.airbus.com\/en\/innovation\/zero-emission\/hydrogen\/zeroe","human_ref_B":"if you just hot swapped a h2 tank in place of jet A, it wouldn\u2019t work at all. yes, you could design it to use h2, but the primary concerns are storage as not many people are keen of a hindenburg2","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12610.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8inquq","c_root_id_B":"i8ijx6o","created_at_utc_A":1652486674,"created_at_utc_B":1652484791,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It is possible to build a jet engine that runs on hydrogen, and it is totally possible for a plane to be powered this way. It will have to be specifically designed for this though. Airbus is working on such a thing: https:\/\/www.airbus.com\/en\/innovation\/zero-emission\/hydrogen\/zeroe","human_ref_B":"Hydrogen is a crappy aviation fuel because it's not dense at all. Liquid hydrogen is about 70 kg\/cubic meter. Jet fuel is about 800 kg\/cubic meter, so if you fill a jet fuel tank with liquid hydrogen, you can only put in about 8% of the mass. You also need to keep it \\*really\\* cold, around 20 K. That requires a lot of insulation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1883.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8h1iys","c_root_id_B":"i8ifcfb","created_at_utc_A":1652461195,"created_at_utc_B":1652482582,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Different fuels have to be metered and delivered differently. It's about cost.","human_ref_B":"The book *Skunk Works* talks about Lockheed's experiments with hydrogen fuel. They gave up on it when their ground facilities caught on fire.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21387.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8h1iys","c_root_id_B":"i8jlu00","created_at_utc_A":1652461195,"created_at_utc_B":1652504985,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Different fuels have to be metered and delivered differently. It's about cost.","human_ref_B":"What everyone else has already said... But! While I'm not completely up to speed on what's actually commercially available today, you can bet all of the turbine manufacturers are either developing them, or refining what they already offer and you'll see it in industrial gas turbines more and more first (before aviation) as we work to decarbonize the world. They're not subjected to the same energy density\/storage issues.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":43790.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8hb8yc","c_root_id_B":"i8ifcfb","created_at_utc_A":1652465082,"created_at_utc_B":1652482582,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"There have been experimental hydrogen-powered jets going back to the 1950s. As others have mentioned, the problem is volumetric energy density, along with the more robust tanks you need to store either extremely high-pressure gas or cryogenic liquid. So changes to the engines themselves are only part of the challenge. There are also some people working on ammonia-based engines. The energy density of ammonia is only slightly higher than liquid hydrogen, but you don't need cryogenic pressure vessels to store it. Another challenge is that any new technology in aviation, particularly the commercial airline industry, requires lots and lots of research and data to prove safety and reliability. The reason we can have twin-engine planes certified to fly 6 hours from a diversion airport is because we have so much data showing the reliability of existing engines. So introducing a new fuel that isn't a drop-in replacement (which is where biofuels are focusing) might not be starting from zero, but will still likely require a lot of testing.","human_ref_B":"The book *Skunk Works* talks about Lockheed's experiments with hydrogen fuel. They gave up on it when their ground facilities caught on fire.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17500.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8ifcfb","c_root_id_B":"i8hwl1y","created_at_utc_A":1652482582,"created_at_utc_B":1652474064,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"The book *Skunk Works* talks about Lockheed's experiments with hydrogen fuel. They gave up on it when their ground facilities caught on fire.","human_ref_B":"if you just hot swapped a h2 tank in place of jet A, it wouldn\u2019t work at all. yes, you could design it to use h2, but the primary concerns are storage as not many people are keen of a hindenburg2","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8518.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8jlu00","c_root_id_B":"i8hb8yc","created_at_utc_A":1652504985,"created_at_utc_B":1652465082,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"What everyone else has already said... But! While I'm not completely up to speed on what's actually commercially available today, you can bet all of the turbine manufacturers are either developing them, or refining what they already offer and you'll see it in industrial gas turbines more and more first (before aviation) as we work to decarbonize the world. They're not subjected to the same energy density\/storage issues.","human_ref_B":"There have been experimental hydrogen-powered jets going back to the 1950s. As others have mentioned, the problem is volumetric energy density, along with the more robust tanks you need to store either extremely high-pressure gas or cryogenic liquid. So changes to the engines themselves are only part of the challenge. There are also some people working on ammonia-based engines. The energy density of ammonia is only slightly higher than liquid hydrogen, but you don't need cryogenic pressure vessels to store it. Another challenge is that any new technology in aviation, particularly the commercial airline industry, requires lots and lots of research and data to prove safety and reliability. The reason we can have twin-engine planes certified to fly 6 hours from a diversion airport is because we have so much data showing the reliability of existing engines. So introducing a new fuel that isn't a drop-in replacement (which is where biofuels are focusing) might not be starting from zero, but will still likely require a lot of testing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":39903.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8jlu00","c_root_id_B":"i8hwl1y","created_at_utc_A":1652504985,"created_at_utc_B":1652474064,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"What everyone else has already said... But! While I'm not completely up to speed on what's actually commercially available today, you can bet all of the turbine manufacturers are either developing them, or refining what they already offer and you'll see it in industrial gas turbines more and more first (before aviation) as we work to decarbonize the world. They're not subjected to the same energy density\/storage issues.","human_ref_B":"if you just hot swapped a h2 tank in place of jet A, it wouldn\u2019t work at all. yes, you could design it to use h2, but the primary concerns are storage as not many people are keen of a hindenburg2","labels":1,"seconds_difference":30921.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8jlu00","c_root_id_B":"i8ijx6o","created_at_utc_A":1652504985,"created_at_utc_B":1652484791,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"What everyone else has already said... But! While I'm not completely up to speed on what's actually commercially available today, you can bet all of the turbine manufacturers are either developing them, or refining what they already offer and you'll see it in industrial gas turbines more and more first (before aviation) as we work to decarbonize the world. They're not subjected to the same energy density\/storage issues.","human_ref_B":"Hydrogen is a crappy aviation fuel because it's not dense at all. Liquid hydrogen is about 70 kg\/cubic meter. Jet fuel is about 800 kg\/cubic meter, so if you fill a jet fuel tank with liquid hydrogen, you can only put in about 8% of the mass. You also need to keep it \\*really\\* cold, around 20 K. That requires a lot of insulation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20194.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8jlu00","c_root_id_B":"i8ivfdd","created_at_utc_A":1652504985,"created_at_utc_B":1652490479,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"What everyone else has already said... But! While I'm not completely up to speed on what's actually commercially available today, you can bet all of the turbine manufacturers are either developing them, or refining what they already offer and you'll see it in industrial gas turbines more and more first (before aviation) as we work to decarbonize the world. They're not subjected to the same energy density\/storage issues.","human_ref_B":"Then it would float away.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14506.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"uou7gm","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What if Hydrogen is supplied to a Jet engine instead of Kerosene? Instead of Jet fuel, if Hydrogen (maybe as gas?) is supplied to a Jet engine, what will happen? Will it work? If no, why? If yes, why don't we use it?","c_root_id_A":"i8izr66","c_root_id_B":"i8jlu00","created_at_utc_A":1652492645,"created_at_utc_B":1652504985,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Maybe because it would suppose a huge money investment and currently jet fuel works just fine","human_ref_B":"What everyone else has already said... But! While I'm not completely up to speed on what's actually commercially available today, you can bet all of the turbine manufacturers are either developing them, or refining what they already offer and you'll see it in industrial gas turbines more and more first (before aviation) as we work to decarbonize the world. They're not subjected to the same energy density\/storage issues.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12340.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"w9bhk2","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How is main memory (RAM) faster than any secondary memory (SSD\/HDD) in computers ? What's the inner circuitry that makes RAM faster ? Is it because RAM is on the motherboard and SSD\/HDD isn't ?","c_root_id_A":"ihui0tt","c_root_id_B":"ihu4dnv","created_at_utc_A":1658927055,"created_at_utc_B":1658919359,"score_A":49,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"One key difference is the technology used for RAM \/ SSD \/ and HDD are very different and have different speeds. RAM is an array of small capacitors (I\u2019m talking about DRAM) which is extremely fast. SSD is implemented with flash memory. It is an order of magnitude slower as it requires storing bits in the oxide layer of a transistor (so it\u2019s non-volatile). There is a higher capacitance associated with this than DRAM so it is inherently much slower. A HDD is a spinning magnetic disc. It has very dense storage but readout speed is limited by our ability to interpret the bits independently from each other (if we go too fast we can\u2019t tell them apart).","human_ref_B":"Simply put: RAM has a (almost direct) max speed connection to the cpu and is made for broad data access. Storage and the connections are more tuned towards utility and size.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7696.0,"score_ratio":5.4444444444} +{"post_id":"w9bhk2","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How is main memory (RAM) faster than any secondary memory (SSD\/HDD) in computers ? What's the inner circuitry that makes RAM faster ? Is it because RAM is on the motherboard and SSD\/HDD isn't ?","c_root_id_A":"ihu93n5","c_root_id_B":"ihui0tt","created_at_utc_A":1658922351,"created_at_utc_B":1658927055,"score_A":2,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"With RAM, the data is sitting there, and they're a whole bunch of wires that can connect bit of that data to the CPU just by throwing the right switches to connect it. The ra and RAM stands for random access, and that means that you turn on the right combination of switches and you can access any part of the memory directly with that connection. With a hard disk drive, you have a spinning platter with the data magnetically encoded on it. And do you have a magnetic sensing head that can move in and out radially. So to access some data that's at some position on the disc, you need to mechanically move the head to the right radius, and then you need to wait for the disc to spin around to the right position to where you read out that specific data. You might compare it to looking on the internet and finding a picture of the sunset at a particular beach, versus driving to that beach, and then hanging out there waiting for the sunset. A solid state drive is a modern replacement for a hard disk drive which actually uses memory that is built kind of like RAM except that it's meant to function as a replacement for the hard disk drive, and so it doesn't need to be very fast, and so the specific trade-offs in the circuit design are to make it pack as much data in without worrying about it being as fast, and also to make it keep that data even when the power is removed.","human_ref_B":"One key difference is the technology used for RAM \/ SSD \/ and HDD are very different and have different speeds. RAM is an array of small capacitors (I\u2019m talking about DRAM) which is extremely fast. SSD is implemented with flash memory. It is an order of magnitude slower as it requires storing bits in the oxide layer of a transistor (so it\u2019s non-volatile). There is a higher capacitance associated with this than DRAM so it is inherently much slower. A HDD is a spinning magnetic disc. It has very dense storage but readout speed is limited by our ability to interpret the bits independently from each other (if we go too fast we can\u2019t tell them apart).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4704.0,"score_ratio":24.5} +{"post_id":"1awj0h","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Would a human doing maintenance in a hydroelectric dam's turbine be able to survive a trip through the turbine and out to the river if the gates were opened to let water in? This question comes from a \/r\/machineporn image of a guy doing maintenance in a hydroelectric turbine. There were comments about being afraid water being let in while someone was in there. I thought the same but after further consideration felt that it would be survivable. Not automatically survivable and certainly not a pleasant experience potentially ending in some injuries but not necessarily a death sentence. Thread here: http:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/MachinePorn\/comments\/1aw2wg\/inside_a_hydroelectric_turbine_1024x643\/c91cowa?context=3","c_root_id_A":"c91iw81","c_root_id_B":"c91f7jx","created_at_utc_A":1364142234,"created_at_utc_B":1364117710,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Just for arguments sake, imagine all the blades and other components were removed. On top of this, lets equip our hapless maintenance guy with SCUBA gear. Finally, lets position him upstream of the sluice gates by some nominal distance, so instead of being hit by a wall of water he \"is\" the wall of water and is being swept along once the gates open. So the problem is: can a scuba equipped maintenance guy survive being swept through some big tunnels (the machineporn ones were 18 feet ~6m) by a torrent of water. I guess the answer is \"possibly.\" But those big tunnels constrict and spiral before entering the turbine (which we've removed for this thought experiment.) after the turbine the water proceeds down then makes a sharp turn to the outlet tunnel which discharges underwater, at a depth of 15-97 feet. I'm going to call it and say that our maintenance man will be unconscious at this point. Even if he was just shooting through those 18 foot tunnels with none of the rapid changes in direction, he could still get bumped off the walls. Unconscious and fathoms down, he will drown. Undo the thought experiment provisions and he gets minced\/drowned\/broken sooner.","human_ref_B":"Only one way to find out for sure... But even absent physical impact, drowning would be quite likely.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24524.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"1awj0h","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Would a human doing maintenance in a hydroelectric dam's turbine be able to survive a trip through the turbine and out to the river if the gates were opened to let water in? This question comes from a \/r\/machineporn image of a guy doing maintenance in a hydroelectric turbine. There were comments about being afraid water being let in while someone was in there. I thought the same but after further consideration felt that it would be survivable. Not automatically survivable and certainly not a pleasant experience potentially ending in some injuries but not necessarily a death sentence. Thread here: http:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/MachinePorn\/comments\/1aw2wg\/inside_a_hydroelectric_turbine_1024x643\/c91cowa?context=3","c_root_id_A":"c91iw81","c_root_id_B":"c91g01j","created_at_utc_A":1364142234,"created_at_utc_B":1364125859,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Just for arguments sake, imagine all the blades and other components were removed. On top of this, lets equip our hapless maintenance guy with SCUBA gear. Finally, lets position him upstream of the sluice gates by some nominal distance, so instead of being hit by a wall of water he \"is\" the wall of water and is being swept along once the gates open. So the problem is: can a scuba equipped maintenance guy survive being swept through some big tunnels (the machineporn ones were 18 feet ~6m) by a torrent of water. I guess the answer is \"possibly.\" But those big tunnels constrict and spiral before entering the turbine (which we've removed for this thought experiment.) after the turbine the water proceeds down then makes a sharp turn to the outlet tunnel which discharges underwater, at a depth of 15-97 feet. I'm going to call it and say that our maintenance man will be unconscious at this point. Even if he was just shooting through those 18 foot tunnels with none of the rapid changes in direction, he could still get bumped off the walls. Unconscious and fathoms down, he will drown. Undo the thought experiment provisions and he gets minced\/drowned\/broken sooner.","human_ref_B":"If you've ever seen what a hydro electric dam turbine looks like, I think you'd agree the maintenance guy would be dead.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16375.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"1awj0h","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Would a human doing maintenance in a hydroelectric dam's turbine be able to survive a trip through the turbine and out to the river if the gates were opened to let water in? This question comes from a \/r\/machineporn image of a guy doing maintenance in a hydroelectric turbine. There were comments about being afraid water being let in while someone was in there. I thought the same but after further consideration felt that it would be survivable. Not automatically survivable and certainly not a pleasant experience potentially ending in some injuries but not necessarily a death sentence. Thread here: http:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/MachinePorn\/comments\/1aw2wg\/inside_a_hydroelectric_turbine_1024x643\/c91cowa?context=3","c_root_id_A":"c91iw81","c_root_id_B":"c91gtax","created_at_utc_A":1364142234,"created_at_utc_B":1364132423,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Just for arguments sake, imagine all the blades and other components were removed. On top of this, lets equip our hapless maintenance guy with SCUBA gear. Finally, lets position him upstream of the sluice gates by some nominal distance, so instead of being hit by a wall of water he \"is\" the wall of water and is being swept along once the gates open. So the problem is: can a scuba equipped maintenance guy survive being swept through some big tunnels (the machineporn ones were 18 feet ~6m) by a torrent of water. I guess the answer is \"possibly.\" But those big tunnels constrict and spiral before entering the turbine (which we've removed for this thought experiment.) after the turbine the water proceeds down then makes a sharp turn to the outlet tunnel which discharges underwater, at a depth of 15-97 feet. I'm going to call it and say that our maintenance man will be unconscious at this point. Even if he was just shooting through those 18 foot tunnels with none of the rapid changes in direction, he could still get bumped off the walls. Unconscious and fathoms down, he will drown. Undo the thought experiment provisions and he gets minced\/drowned\/broken sooner.","human_ref_B":"In short form: humans are very sturdy animals, but barring some exceptional luck, the maintenance man would die quickly.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9811.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"1awj0h","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Would a human doing maintenance in a hydroelectric dam's turbine be able to survive a trip through the turbine and out to the river if the gates were opened to let water in? This question comes from a \/r\/machineporn image of a guy doing maintenance in a hydroelectric turbine. There were comments about being afraid water being let in while someone was in there. I thought the same but after further consideration felt that it would be survivable. Not automatically survivable and certainly not a pleasant experience potentially ending in some injuries but not necessarily a death sentence. Thread here: http:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/MachinePorn\/comments\/1aw2wg\/inside_a_hydroelectric_turbine_1024x643\/c91cowa?context=3","c_root_id_A":"c91iw81","c_root_id_B":"c91i72j","created_at_utc_A":1364142234,"created_at_utc_B":1364139523,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Just for arguments sake, imagine all the blades and other components were removed. On top of this, lets equip our hapless maintenance guy with SCUBA gear. Finally, lets position him upstream of the sluice gates by some nominal distance, so instead of being hit by a wall of water he \"is\" the wall of water and is being swept along once the gates open. So the problem is: can a scuba equipped maintenance guy survive being swept through some big tunnels (the machineporn ones were 18 feet ~6m) by a torrent of water. I guess the answer is \"possibly.\" But those big tunnels constrict and spiral before entering the turbine (which we've removed for this thought experiment.) after the turbine the water proceeds down then makes a sharp turn to the outlet tunnel which discharges underwater, at a depth of 15-97 feet. I'm going to call it and say that our maintenance man will be unconscious at this point. Even if he was just shooting through those 18 foot tunnels with none of the rapid changes in direction, he could still get bumped off the walls. Unconscious and fathoms down, he will drown. Undo the thought experiment provisions and he gets minced\/drowned\/broken sooner.","human_ref_B":"There doesn't seem to be a very big gap between the blades. How fast would they be spinning?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2711.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"1awj0h","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Would a human doing maintenance in a hydroelectric dam's turbine be able to survive a trip through the turbine and out to the river if the gates were opened to let water in? This question comes from a \/r\/machineporn image of a guy doing maintenance in a hydroelectric turbine. There were comments about being afraid water being let in while someone was in there. I thought the same but after further consideration felt that it would be survivable. Not automatically survivable and certainly not a pleasant experience potentially ending in some injuries but not necessarily a death sentence. Thread here: http:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/MachinePorn\/comments\/1aw2wg\/inside_a_hydroelectric_turbine_1024x643\/c91cowa?context=3","c_root_id_A":"c91kxj3","c_root_id_B":"c91gtax","created_at_utc_A":1364149236,"created_at_utc_B":1364132423,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I'm pretty sure the pressure changes would kill a person. Depends on the dam, but suddenly being several hundred feet underwater and then having an uncontrollable assent to the surface can't be good for you. That said, people have escaped submarines via the torpedo tubes.","human_ref_B":"In short form: humans are very sturdy animals, but barring some exceptional luck, the maintenance man would die quickly.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16813.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"1awj0h","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Would a human doing maintenance in a hydroelectric dam's turbine be able to survive a trip through the turbine and out to the river if the gates were opened to let water in? This question comes from a \/r\/machineporn image of a guy doing maintenance in a hydroelectric turbine. There were comments about being afraid water being let in while someone was in there. I thought the same but after further consideration felt that it would be survivable. Not automatically survivable and certainly not a pleasant experience potentially ending in some injuries but not necessarily a death sentence. Thread here: http:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/MachinePorn\/comments\/1aw2wg\/inside_a_hydroelectric_turbine_1024x643\/c91cowa?context=3","c_root_id_A":"c91kxj3","c_root_id_B":"c91i72j","created_at_utc_A":1364149236,"created_at_utc_B":1364139523,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I'm pretty sure the pressure changes would kill a person. Depends on the dam, but suddenly being several hundred feet underwater and then having an uncontrollable assent to the surface can't be good for you. That said, people have escaped submarines via the torpedo tubes.","human_ref_B":"There doesn't seem to be a very big gap between the blades. How fast would they be spinning?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9713.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"4603i8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"What technologies today are being engineered that will become the next big breakthroughs for the future?","c_root_id_A":"d01l9lb","c_root_id_B":"d01hwb2","created_at_utc_A":1455599736,"created_at_utc_B":1455593783,"score_A":13,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Driverless cars.","human_ref_B":"Not really an answer to your question, but I feel like graphene gets brought up a lot when topics like this come up. The problem with graphene is that you can either make it for cheap, thru processes like rolling (nanotubes), but then it will not have a uniform shape and will lose a lot of the properties that make it such an incredible material, or you can make it near perfect but the cost makes in unfeasible for commercial use. The other problem is it has zero band gap, which makes it unsuitable for use in electronics. There are ways to open the bandgap but again... it is really expensive. Anyway I am not an expert on the subject and I am sure a material engineer can expand better on the topic.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5953.0,"score_ratio":3.25} +{"post_id":"7ji7wx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"What are the jobs a mechanical engineering student can do and earn a little bit money?","c_root_id_A":"dr6k3c3","c_root_id_B":"dr6lmm3","created_at_utc_A":1513159382,"created_at_utc_B":1513163467,"score_A":35,"score_B":202,"human_ref_A":"Internships","human_ref_B":"Work in a pub. No, bear with me a moment. Engineers are often not really people people, so anything that forces discipline, dealing with awkward clients, and making random contacts are all worthwhile, and it's a thing you can do in non-uni hours.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4085.0,"score_ratio":5.7714285714} +{"post_id":"7ji7wx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"What are the jobs a mechanical engineering student can do and earn a little bit money?","c_root_id_A":"dr6lmm3","c_root_id_B":"dr6lcz1","created_at_utc_A":1513163467,"created_at_utc_B":1513162762,"score_A":202,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Work in a pub. No, bear with me a moment. Engineers are often not really people people, so anything that forces discipline, dealing with awkward clients, and making random contacts are all worthwhile, and it's a thing you can do in non-uni hours.","human_ref_B":"I've heard that refurbishing old tools (both hand and power) can earn a bit of $$. It'd depend on where you are and if you have access to a shop\/already own fixing tools though. The person who told me about it said he got a lot of the broken tools for free and that repairing power tools was usually just cleaning them out and replacing old rubber and bearings.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":705.0,"score_ratio":18.3636363636} +{"post_id":"7ji7wx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"What are the jobs a mechanical engineering student can do and earn a little bit money?","c_root_id_A":"dr6k50l","c_root_id_B":"dr6lmm3","created_at_utc_A":1513159508,"created_at_utc_B":1513163467,"score_A":7,"score_B":202,"human_ref_A":"I worked in a camera shop evenings and weekends.","human_ref_B":"Work in a pub. No, bear with me a moment. Engineers are often not really people people, so anything that forces discipline, dealing with awkward clients, and making random contacts are all worthwhile, and it's a thing you can do in non-uni hours.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3959.0,"score_ratio":28.8571428571} +{"post_id":"7ji7wx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"What are the jobs a mechanical engineering student can do and earn a little bit money?","c_root_id_A":"dr6lcz1","c_root_id_B":"dr6k50l","created_at_utc_A":1513162762,"created_at_utc_B":1513159508,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I've heard that refurbishing old tools (both hand and power) can earn a bit of $$. It'd depend on where you are and if you have access to a shop\/already own fixing tools though. The person who told me about it said he got a lot of the broken tools for free and that repairing power tools was usually just cleaning them out and replacing old rubber and bearings.","human_ref_B":"I worked in a camera shop evenings and weekends.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3254.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714} +{"post_id":"7ji7wx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"What are the jobs a mechanical engineering student can do and earn a little bit money?","c_root_id_A":"dr6u6dc","c_root_id_B":"dr6noea","created_at_utc_A":1513177204,"created_at_utc_B":1513167986,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Welding, mechanic work, if you're interested\/have the skills. I worked in the school machine shop making sure nobody put their hands in the Bridgeport. I also did research in our combustion lab.","human_ref_B":"I still work on a production line building central heating systems. Not by choice.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9218.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"7ji7wx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"What are the jobs a mechanical engineering student can do and earn a little bit money?","c_root_id_A":"dr6u6dc","c_root_id_B":"dr6oy5l","created_at_utc_A":1513177204,"created_at_utc_B":1513170261,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Welding, mechanic work, if you're interested\/have the skills. I worked in the school machine shop making sure nobody put their hands in the Bridgeport. I also did research in our combustion lab.","human_ref_B":"At my uni (in the Netherlands) there's tons of university jobs for students. Working front desk at campus buildings, giving tours, organizing the open days for your study, and being a TA are all good examples. Pay well, and if they're not relaxed or easy then they tend to be very educational. I'd definitely ask around.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6943.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"7ji7wx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"What are the jobs a mechanical engineering student can do and earn a little bit money?","c_root_id_A":"dr6u6dc","c_root_id_B":"dr6sagu","created_at_utc_A":1513177204,"created_at_utc_B":1513175012,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Welding, mechanic work, if you're interested\/have the skills. I worked in the school machine shop making sure nobody put their hands in the Bridgeport. I also did research in our combustion lab.","human_ref_B":"If you like tinkering with things and fixing small electronics or battery operated power tools, work in a pawn shop. One of the best jobs I ever had. You will learn about stuff you'll never see otherwise and probably be able to assemble a great base of quality tools for yourself. CAD drafting or modeling if you want to stay in professional engineering. I did CAD for a small engineering firm for my last 2.5 years in college. The hours were flexible as long as I got my drawings in on time, and no one cared if I flopped my textbooks open and started doing homework (again, as long as my drawings were in on time). It also paid $30\/hr with full benefits, and that certainly helped. Plus, the experience really helped with one of my thermo-fluid design problems in my final semester.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2192.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"7ji7wx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"What are the jobs a mechanical engineering student can do and earn a little bit money?","c_root_id_A":"dr6noea","c_root_id_B":"dr7fodu","created_at_utc_A":1513167986,"created_at_utc_B":1513198256,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I still work on a production line building central heating systems. Not by choice.","human_ref_B":"Apply to Internships. Not just with big companies but with some Federal Labs. NIST has a program called SERF. Room & Board + stipend https:\/\/www.nist.gov\/surf Brookhaven national Lab https:\/\/www.bnl.gov\/education\/ NASA APL http:\/\/www.jhuapl.edu\/NASAIntern\/ Lockheed: https:\/\/www.lockheedmartinjobs.com\/internships-coop.aspx Boeing: http:\/\/www.boeing.com\/careers\/college\/engineering-internships.page I found these by googling [company name] internship Also, when I was an undergrad I worked in a lab on campus doing tasks. That led into a position as a grad student. Maybe a better question to toss out would be what internship did you work, did it help your career, did you enjoy it or just give you a paycheck. I'm surprised the mods haven't come up with a stickied thread about this because it comes up so often.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30270.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7ji7wx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"What are the jobs a mechanical engineering student can do and earn a little bit money?","c_root_id_A":"dr6oy5l","c_root_id_B":"dr7fodu","created_at_utc_A":1513170261,"created_at_utc_B":1513198256,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"At my uni (in the Netherlands) there's tons of university jobs for students. Working front desk at campus buildings, giving tours, organizing the open days for your study, and being a TA are all good examples. Pay well, and if they're not relaxed or easy then they tend to be very educational. I'd definitely ask around.","human_ref_B":"Apply to Internships. Not just with big companies but with some Federal Labs. NIST has a program called SERF. Room & Board + stipend https:\/\/www.nist.gov\/surf Brookhaven national Lab https:\/\/www.bnl.gov\/education\/ NASA APL http:\/\/www.jhuapl.edu\/NASAIntern\/ Lockheed: https:\/\/www.lockheedmartinjobs.com\/internships-coop.aspx Boeing: http:\/\/www.boeing.com\/careers\/college\/engineering-internships.page I found these by googling [company name] internship Also, when I was an undergrad I worked in a lab on campus doing tasks. That led into a position as a grad student. Maybe a better question to toss out would be what internship did you work, did it help your career, did you enjoy it or just give you a paycheck. I'm surprised the mods haven't come up with a stickied thread about this because it comes up so often.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27995.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7ji7wx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"What are the jobs a mechanical engineering student can do and earn a little bit money?","c_root_id_A":"dr6sagu","c_root_id_B":"dr7fodu","created_at_utc_A":1513175012,"created_at_utc_B":1513198256,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you like tinkering with things and fixing small electronics or battery operated power tools, work in a pawn shop. One of the best jobs I ever had. You will learn about stuff you'll never see otherwise and probably be able to assemble a great base of quality tools for yourself. CAD drafting or modeling if you want to stay in professional engineering. I did CAD for a small engineering firm for my last 2.5 years in college. The hours were flexible as long as I got my drawings in on time, and no one cared if I flopped my textbooks open and started doing homework (again, as long as my drawings were in on time). It also paid $30\/hr with full benefits, and that certainly helped. Plus, the experience really helped with one of my thermo-fluid design problems in my final semester.","human_ref_B":"Apply to Internships. Not just with big companies but with some Federal Labs. NIST has a program called SERF. Room & Board + stipend https:\/\/www.nist.gov\/surf Brookhaven national Lab https:\/\/www.bnl.gov\/education\/ NASA APL http:\/\/www.jhuapl.edu\/NASAIntern\/ Lockheed: https:\/\/www.lockheedmartinjobs.com\/internships-coop.aspx Boeing: http:\/\/www.boeing.com\/careers\/college\/engineering-internships.page I found these by googling [company name] internship Also, when I was an undergrad I worked in a lab on campus doing tasks. That led into a position as a grad student. Maybe a better question to toss out would be what internship did you work, did it help your career, did you enjoy it or just give you a paycheck. I'm surprised the mods haven't come up with a stickied thread about this because it comes up so often.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":23244.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7ji7wx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"What are the jobs a mechanical engineering student can do and earn a little bit money?","c_root_id_A":"dr7fodu","c_root_id_B":"dr710ct","created_at_utc_A":1513198256,"created_at_utc_B":1513184200,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Apply to Internships. Not just with big companies but with some Federal Labs. NIST has a program called SERF. Room & Board + stipend https:\/\/www.nist.gov\/surf Brookhaven national Lab https:\/\/www.bnl.gov\/education\/ NASA APL http:\/\/www.jhuapl.edu\/NASAIntern\/ Lockheed: https:\/\/www.lockheedmartinjobs.com\/internships-coop.aspx Boeing: http:\/\/www.boeing.com\/careers\/college\/engineering-internships.page I found these by googling [company name] internship Also, when I was an undergrad I worked in a lab on campus doing tasks. That led into a position as a grad student. Maybe a better question to toss out would be what internship did you work, did it help your career, did you enjoy it or just give you a paycheck. I'm surprised the mods haven't come up with a stickied thread about this because it comes up so often.","human_ref_B":"ironically, you could probably learn software and make more money on the side than at your full time mechanical engineering job. (if you're good enough) other than that, product design has really taken off. amazon\/google\/apple all making little devices for your home, which need mechanicals to design and analyze, also overse manufacturing","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14056.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7ji7wx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"What are the jobs a mechanical engineering student can do and earn a little bit money?","c_root_id_A":"dr7fodu","c_root_id_B":"dr71l5g","created_at_utc_A":1513198256,"created_at_utc_B":1513184768,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Apply to Internships. Not just with big companies but with some Federal Labs. NIST has a program called SERF. Room & Board + stipend https:\/\/www.nist.gov\/surf Brookhaven national Lab https:\/\/www.bnl.gov\/education\/ NASA APL http:\/\/www.jhuapl.edu\/NASAIntern\/ Lockheed: https:\/\/www.lockheedmartinjobs.com\/internships-coop.aspx Boeing: http:\/\/www.boeing.com\/careers\/college\/engineering-internships.page I found these by googling [company name] internship Also, when I was an undergrad I worked in a lab on campus doing tasks. That led into a position as a grad student. Maybe a better question to toss out would be what internship did you work, did it help your career, did you enjoy it or just give you a paycheck. I'm surprised the mods haven't come up with a stickied thread about this because it comes up so often.","human_ref_B":"My wife is an architect. A contractor doing a home-improvement job at our house suggested that he would pay her to do CAD drawings for permit applications. These would be much simpler than the types of drawings she does for work. It never actually happened, but it seemed like a good opportunity for some side income. After using these types of programs for a while, you can do things MUCH faster than a novice. I would guess you could do an adequate drawing for a home improvement permit in 20 minutes on the couch.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13488.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7ji7wx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"What are the jobs a mechanical engineering student can do and earn a little bit money?","c_root_id_A":"dr7fodu","c_root_id_B":"dr75aoh","created_at_utc_A":1513198256,"created_at_utc_B":1513188362,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Apply to Internships. Not just with big companies but with some Federal Labs. NIST has a program called SERF. Room & Board + stipend https:\/\/www.nist.gov\/surf Brookhaven national Lab https:\/\/www.bnl.gov\/education\/ NASA APL http:\/\/www.jhuapl.edu\/NASAIntern\/ Lockheed: https:\/\/www.lockheedmartinjobs.com\/internships-coop.aspx Boeing: http:\/\/www.boeing.com\/careers\/college\/engineering-internships.page I found these by googling [company name] internship Also, when I was an undergrad I worked in a lab on campus doing tasks. That led into a position as a grad student. Maybe a better question to toss out would be what internship did you work, did it help your career, did you enjoy it or just give you a paycheck. I'm surprised the mods haven't come up with a stickied thread about this because it comes up so often.","human_ref_B":"Tutoring. You\u2019re probably good at physics and math. Tutoring pays well once you find regular students","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9894.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"hk3ahd","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"What do they use in aircraft to move the ailerons, elevators and the rudder? I just finished elementary school so i have more time to do more important stuff like projects, i have created and designed few robotic arms and drones and wanted to learn about fixed wing aircraft, i know in fixed wing UAVs you can use servos to move the ailerons, elevators and the rudder but what about manned\/larger aircraft? Do they use pneumatics or? Linear actuators would be too slow wouldnt they? Also if possible does anyone know any books about aircraft engines that include even the smallest parts, learning about how lets say a turbofan or a liquid rocket engine works in general is fairly easy but knowing all the details is extremely hard.","c_root_id_A":"fwr6k0m","c_root_id_B":"fwr6sxr","created_at_utc_A":1593734772,"created_at_utc_B":1593734918,"score_A":4,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019re way ahead of where I was in elementary school","human_ref_B":"Just finished elementary school and put together a thought-out and interesting Reddit post? You have a great future ahead of you! As another poster said, smaller manned aircraft (Piper Archer, Cessna 150\/152\/172\/182) use pushrods and essentially metal wire to move the control surfaces. They offer good feedback based on the speed of the air traveling over the control surfaces and the deflection. I believe the Cessna 172 Pilot Operating Handbooks (POH) have diagrams of the control systems. Human powered control surfaces can be found in some larger aircraft too, dunno an example of one specifically but it surprised me when I read it. Probably around 10k-12k lb take off weight. Larger jets use high pressure hydraulics. With multiple redundant systems. High pressure is used so smaller components can be used to actually move the control surfaces (force = pressure x area). Everything is a trade off for weight. You can also find some good documentation of hydraulic systems online. I doubt you\u2019ll find to the part drawings for any type of engines. If you built jet engines and publish the full design, what\u2019s stopping someone else from copying it?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":146.0,"score_ratio":4.25} +{"post_id":"430ql1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Building a secret door, using magnets to lock and unlock. What kind of magnets should I use? So the door is in place and completely bare-boned, there is enough room to install some sort of locking mechanism. We wanted to have a few passive magnets holding it shut while in the locked position. Once it is unlocked, the idea is to have an electromagnetic \"lock\" turn on and repel another magnet, overcoming the passive magnets and opening the door. Two questions, really: * Will the passive magnet that's butted up against the electromagnet affect the electromagnet in a negative way? * What type of magnets should we use?","c_root_id_A":"czek6vb","c_root_id_B":"czelaym","created_at_utc_A":1453942197,"created_at_utc_B":1453944056,"score_A":4,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"My secret door is hidden behind a mirror. It has a decorative frame that hides the cracks around the door and 4 magnets on one side hold it closed. Two are attached to the back of the mirror and two placed into holes drilled in the back of the frame. When the mirror swings closed, the magnets hold it there.","human_ref_B":"I'd try a power door lock actuator from a car- it's a tiny solenoid with a little bit of force, though not a whole lot. It might not push past heavy magnets. Ebay has about a bajillion different magnets for really cheap. I'd get some and play around with them.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1859.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"tbizt","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"How are hollow tubes and other shapes extruded? Hi everyone, I understood roughly the idea behind extrusion: you push a material, perhaps heat it a bit to increase its plasticity, out of a hole and hey presto! A rod or prism in the shape of the aperture. But how are hollow items with a solid boundary extruded? For example, a simple copper or plastic pipe. As I understand it, the hollow part is created by blocking part of the aperture (with something called a mandrel?). That mandrel must be held in place, but surely anything holding it in place will have to be attached to the aperture or beyond it, causing a piece of machinery to be in the way of the hole. That in turn would mean the solid tube has at least one cut in it from that piece of machinery holding the mandrel. Obviously this is possible, because it happens every day! But it's beyond my brain how the hell it happens.","c_root_id_A":"c4le2bf","c_root_id_B":"c4l981c","created_at_utc_A":1336448146,"created_at_utc_B":1336426107,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"This is how seamless stainless steel pipes are made: http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=q9Pwwb6ODXs And, aluminum extrusion: http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=LnDUYZHDQAg","human_ref_B":"I believe HSS shapes for structural steel are actually hot rolled from plate stock and welded together rather than extruded to form the final product.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22039.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"66nwta","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"What is the tunneling-rate limiting in large boring machines? Hi, AFAIK, boring large-diameter tunnels (for roads, railway, etc) is a rather slow process (tens of meters\/day). My question is: what is the bottleneck? Is it the speed at which the cutting head can move through the rock? Is it laying the tunnel supports (concrete ring) behind the head? Evacuation of the rock\/soil? Something else? I realize all of the above are difficult to do. My question is focusing specifically on identifying the slowest, and hence rate-limiting component. What is it?","c_root_id_A":"dgk02z6","c_root_id_B":"dgk2bac","created_at_utc_A":1492770298,"created_at_utc_B":1492775658,"score_A":4,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"My guess is that the faster you cut stone, the more friction you have on the bores in the front, and in consequence, more heat.","human_ref_B":"There is a practical limit to the pressure that can be exerted by the cutting tools before they wear prematurely, and that limits how quickly the face can advance. Metallurgy has made great advances, but not at the same rate as digital technology. Tungsten carbide hasn't changed all that much lately. It's a similar set of limits that keep milling feeds & speeds from progressing (as quickly) as the technology in the rest of the machine.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5360.0,"score_ratio":5.5} +{"post_id":"66nwta","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"What is the tunneling-rate limiting in large boring machines? Hi, AFAIK, boring large-diameter tunnels (for roads, railway, etc) is a rather slow process (tens of meters\/day). My question is: what is the bottleneck? Is it the speed at which the cutting head can move through the rock? Is it laying the tunnel supports (concrete ring) behind the head? Evacuation of the rock\/soil? Something else? I realize all of the above are difficult to do. My question is focusing specifically on identifying the slowest, and hence rate-limiting component. What is it?","c_root_id_A":"dgk52o7","c_root_id_B":"dgk87v1","created_at_utc_A":1492780488,"created_at_utc_B":1492784707,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I haven't done too much digging or calculations, but stability of the hole may also be an issue. If you bore too fast and the weight of the earth above redistributes too quick, causing dynamic loading rather than more quasi-static loading, you may collapse some parts that have already been bored.","human_ref_B":"I have experience with oil and gas drilling, so can talk about our limitations there. It's a similar process although on a smaller scale. The limiting factor for drilling is usually the dynamics and vibrations of the bit. The bits are specifically designed to have a certain depth of engagement of the cutters, and if this is too high or too low, the bit can become improperly stabilised, and the entire drill string will begin to vibrate, sometimes quite violently. We are using much higher RPM, but the same would happen with the large bore machines. The larger the face, the higher the torque needed to turn the bit as well. Tunnel boring machines are gigantic. Hole support is also needed, and the placement of the concrete sections could slow down a TBM, although I imagine that is not a limiting factor most of the time. For oil and gas wells we use fluids to generate hydrostatic pressure that supports the borehole walls. Finally, with regards to jetting through the rock instead: this is done, usually in shallow, unconsolidated rock, and can produce very fast rates of penetration; the difference here is the relative size of the tool face. For a 12-1\/4\" bit, there might be 5-7 1\/2\" nozzles. Meaning a total jetting area of 1.2%. On a 10m bore, you're looking at more than 1m diameter total jetting area (assuming a single nozzle, which you wouldn't do, just giving some sense of the area). That's a huge flow rate at 10k+psi pressure, and that requires insane pumps and fluid reserves. The pumps alone are bound to break quite frequently, and wear out. Our rig pumps regularly break down from worn parts, and they're operating at ~4000 psi and 300 gal\/min each. Now I have no experience with tunnel boring machines, but I imagine at least some of this would apply. I suspect proper engagement of the bit to reduce vibrational wear and tear is the most likely limiting factor. This comes down to material science really.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4219.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"avf5tn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Can anyone explain what's happening in my coffee? Link to video: https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/dhJlGZF Obviously surface tension between the coffee and creamer. This is the only creamer we have at work that will do this which I find fascinating. It's mesmerizing to watch but I am curious if anyone has a detailed description of what's happening. Thank you in advance!","c_root_id_A":"ehenmen","c_root_id_B":"eheui2a","created_at_utc_A":1551286599,"created_at_utc_B":1551290790,"score_A":3,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"lol, I notice this as well when I use the powdered creamer at work because I forgot to bring in my own stuff. I think \/u\/way2tal42long nailed it. It's good to know I'm not the only one staring at my coffee cup come 2pm.","human_ref_B":"https:\/\/m.imgur.com\/gallery\/OOg0Z6f","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4191.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} +{"post_id":"avf5tn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Can anyone explain what's happening in my coffee? Link to video: https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/dhJlGZF Obviously surface tension between the coffee and creamer. This is the only creamer we have at work that will do this which I find fascinating. It's mesmerizing to watch but I am curious if anyone has a detailed description of what's happening. Thank you in advance!","c_root_id_A":"ehf3738","c_root_id_B":"ehenmen","created_at_utc_A":1551296083,"created_at_utc_B":1551286599,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"ITT engineers try to remember general chemistry","human_ref_B":"lol, I notice this as well when I use the powdered creamer at work because I forgot to bring in my own stuff. I think \/u\/way2tal42long nailed it. It's good to know I'm not the only one staring at my coffee cup come 2pm.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9484.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"avf5tn","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Can anyone explain what's happening in my coffee? Link to video: https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/dhJlGZF Obviously surface tension between the coffee and creamer. This is the only creamer we have at work that will do this which I find fascinating. It's mesmerizing to watch but I am curious if anyone has a detailed description of what's happening. Thank you in advance!","c_root_id_A":"ehf3738","c_root_id_B":"ehexctp","created_at_utc_A":1551296083,"created_at_utc_B":1551292520,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"ITT engineers try to remember general chemistry","human_ref_B":"What creamer is it? Non dairy creamers have a protein in them called casein. Casein is a protein derived primarily from cow's milk. It is quite insoluble in water and has a white appearance. The fats in non-dairy creamer are typically corn oil... I think what you may be seeing are casein micelles. What looks like bubbles are surface tension struggles between your coffee and the protein in the creamer... (there's actually no gas phase at play here)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3563.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"f7tzp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are the mechanical advantages of modern four-stroke sportbikes over old two-stroke ones? A friend of mine always talks about two-stroke motorcycles being better than modern four-stroke ones due to how much quicker they tend to accelerate in comparison to four-stroke motorcycles with the same displacement. Their engines are usually more lightweight and they tend to produce more power than four-stroke engines with the same displacement. Overall, he believes that an old two-stroke sportbike under good conditions should have better lap times than the best liter bikes being produced today. But I don't really buy that. I'm sure modern bikes must have several mechanical advantages over old projects that surely could've been used as a base to make even better bikes. Obviously, modern bikes have onboard technology that helps riders ride more safely, but he believes that being a good rider has a lot to do with skillfully riding a dangerous motorcycle. I was wondering what advantages other than onboard technology modern bikes have. From what I've seen, it seems four-stroke sportbikes tend to accelerate well even at high speeds, whereas most four-strokes I've seen seemed to be unable to accelerate as quickly at high speeds. Another thing he always says is that two-stroke motorcycles are easier to modify so that they can produce even more power. I'm sure there are downsides to significantly increasing a motorcycle's power output, but would that make an old two-stroke sportbike capable of effectively beating modern liter bikes?","c_root_id_A":"fif77pi","c_root_id_B":"fif7ob4","created_at_utc_A":1582386386,"created_at_utc_B":1582386589,"score_A":78,"score_B":96,"human_ref_A":"You have a lot of questions, I\u2019ll only hit on the 2-stroke vs 4-stroke. The inherent edge up in the 2-stroke is that you get a combustion stroke every cycle, which in hypothesis allows it to produce twice the output power for a given displacement. But in practice, there are limits to specific power output, getting the chamber clear of exhaust, and tuning challenges. So in practice, you may only get an extra 30% power for a given displacement and ONLY when the intake \/exhaust tuning is right at a specific RPM. Those making more power out of 2-strokes either are working outside of \u201cstock\u201d rules or severely reduce the life of the engine, loose peak torque, all to make just a peakier, slightly higher HP 2-stroke. The vast -vast- majority of engine tuners in the after market will tend to screw up a good 2-stroke thinking they made it better.","human_ref_B":"For one thing 4stroke are way more efficient. In 2stroke you get poor mixing and incomplete burns matched with exhausting straight gasoline and burning oil. All these things mean terrible fuel efficiency and terrible polluting effects. If every car was a 2 stroke every city would like most chinese citys with bad pollution.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":203.0,"score_ratio":1.2307692308} +{"post_id":"f7tzp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are the mechanical advantages of modern four-stroke sportbikes over old two-stroke ones? A friend of mine always talks about two-stroke motorcycles being better than modern four-stroke ones due to how much quicker they tend to accelerate in comparison to four-stroke motorcycles with the same displacement. Their engines are usually more lightweight and they tend to produce more power than four-stroke engines with the same displacement. Overall, he believes that an old two-stroke sportbike under good conditions should have better lap times than the best liter bikes being produced today. But I don't really buy that. I'm sure modern bikes must have several mechanical advantages over old projects that surely could've been used as a base to make even better bikes. Obviously, modern bikes have onboard technology that helps riders ride more safely, but he believes that being a good rider has a lot to do with skillfully riding a dangerous motorcycle. I was wondering what advantages other than onboard technology modern bikes have. From what I've seen, it seems four-stroke sportbikes tend to accelerate well even at high speeds, whereas most four-strokes I've seen seemed to be unable to accelerate as quickly at high speeds. Another thing he always says is that two-stroke motorcycles are easier to modify so that they can produce even more power. I'm sure there are downsides to significantly increasing a motorcycle's power output, but would that make an old two-stroke sportbike capable of effectively beating modern liter bikes?","c_root_id_A":"fifgl5p","c_root_id_B":"fiftmnx","created_at_utc_A":1582389595,"created_at_utc_B":1582393147,"score_A":19,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Since it is winter snowmobiles are in fashon here in Colorado. My job involves maintaining communication equipment on top of mountains. That entails getting there in bottomless snow sometimes on snowmobiles (or helicopters). Couple years ago had some 1000cc 4 stroke Suzuki's. 600 pound rockets, 0 to 70mph quite quickly. Nice rides. Enter 2018 RMK 800 2 stroke. This thing is an unbridled rocketship. 400 pounds and 170 horsepower. The drive track speed coincides with the throttle setting. Once you figure out how to hang on to the thing you can start at a dead stop, punch the throttle and the track is doing 70mph immediately and you and the machine are on a trajectory and trying to catch up. It is a rocket propelled kick in the ass. The Suzuki was cleaner running but... Same experience I had with my dirt bikes. I have a Suzuki DR600 4- stroke now and it is heavier than my old 250 2-stroke but the 250 was mostly on 1 wheel, the 600 takes effort to get on one wheel. Almost always a 2 stroke is lighter and quicker but the 4 stroke will almost always last longer between rebuilds. 2 strokes are typically balls to the walls machines. That is an aviation term you know. As a rule the 4 stroke needs to have about twice the displacement to have equal power, with that comes weight.","human_ref_B":"Serious 2 stroke development stopped years ago due to emissions, if we ignore emissions and 2 stroke tech had been invested in like 4strokes and diesels i think 2 strokes would still be ahead for race applications. 4t has no answer for a power stroke every 360 and the power to weight ratio of a 2t engine. variable ports intake and expansion chambers could give a wide power band but never happened because of r&d cost\/regulations. Modern bikes are faster inspite of a 4t engine not because of it imo. That said we need to take emissions seriously and having played with powerful leccy bikes im an ev convert.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3552.0,"score_ratio":1.5263157895} +{"post_id":"f7tzp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are the mechanical advantages of modern four-stroke sportbikes over old two-stroke ones? A friend of mine always talks about two-stroke motorcycles being better than modern four-stroke ones due to how much quicker they tend to accelerate in comparison to four-stroke motorcycles with the same displacement. Their engines are usually more lightweight and they tend to produce more power than four-stroke engines with the same displacement. Overall, he believes that an old two-stroke sportbike under good conditions should have better lap times than the best liter bikes being produced today. But I don't really buy that. I'm sure modern bikes must have several mechanical advantages over old projects that surely could've been used as a base to make even better bikes. Obviously, modern bikes have onboard technology that helps riders ride more safely, but he believes that being a good rider has a lot to do with skillfully riding a dangerous motorcycle. I was wondering what advantages other than onboard technology modern bikes have. From what I've seen, it seems four-stroke sportbikes tend to accelerate well even at high speeds, whereas most four-strokes I've seen seemed to be unable to accelerate as quickly at high speeds. Another thing he always says is that two-stroke motorcycles are easier to modify so that they can produce even more power. I'm sure there are downsides to significantly increasing a motorcycle's power output, but would that make an old two-stroke sportbike capable of effectively beating modern liter bikes?","c_root_id_A":"fiftmnx","c_root_id_B":"fifqdut","created_at_utc_A":1582393147,"created_at_utc_B":1582392220,"score_A":29,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Serious 2 stroke development stopped years ago due to emissions, if we ignore emissions and 2 stroke tech had been invested in like 4strokes and diesels i think 2 strokes would still be ahead for race applications. 4t has no answer for a power stroke every 360 and the power to weight ratio of a 2t engine. variable ports intake and expansion chambers could give a wide power band but never happened because of r&d cost\/regulations. Modern bikes are faster inspite of a 4t engine not because of it imo. That said we need to take emissions seriously and having played with powerful leccy bikes im an ev convert.","human_ref_B":"To address one of your questions, two-stroke motors allow for a lot of power in a small package. You can build a very lightweight two-stroke track bike that, while unable to outrun a liter bike on a straightaway, will absolutely out maneuver the heavier bike in the corners. So yes, depending on the track, it is certainly plausible that a small displacement two-stroke could significantly out perform a liter bike.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":927.0,"score_ratio":3.625} +{"post_id":"f7tzp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are the mechanical advantages of modern four-stroke sportbikes over old two-stroke ones? A friend of mine always talks about two-stroke motorcycles being better than modern four-stroke ones due to how much quicker they tend to accelerate in comparison to four-stroke motorcycles with the same displacement. Their engines are usually more lightweight and they tend to produce more power than four-stroke engines with the same displacement. Overall, he believes that an old two-stroke sportbike under good conditions should have better lap times than the best liter bikes being produced today. But I don't really buy that. I'm sure modern bikes must have several mechanical advantages over old projects that surely could've been used as a base to make even better bikes. Obviously, modern bikes have onboard technology that helps riders ride more safely, but he believes that being a good rider has a lot to do with skillfully riding a dangerous motorcycle. I was wondering what advantages other than onboard technology modern bikes have. From what I've seen, it seems four-stroke sportbikes tend to accelerate well even at high speeds, whereas most four-strokes I've seen seemed to be unable to accelerate as quickly at high speeds. Another thing he always says is that two-stroke motorcycles are easier to modify so that they can produce even more power. I'm sure there are downsides to significantly increasing a motorcycle's power output, but would that make an old two-stroke sportbike capable of effectively beating modern liter bikes?","c_root_id_A":"fiftmnx","c_root_id_B":"fifaa7j","created_at_utc_A":1582393147,"created_at_utc_B":1582387618,"score_A":29,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Serious 2 stroke development stopped years ago due to emissions, if we ignore emissions and 2 stroke tech had been invested in like 4strokes and diesels i think 2 strokes would still be ahead for race applications. 4t has no answer for a power stroke every 360 and the power to weight ratio of a 2t engine. variable ports intake and expansion chambers could give a wide power band but never happened because of r&d cost\/regulations. Modern bikes are faster inspite of a 4t engine not because of it imo. That said we need to take emissions seriously and having played with powerful leccy bikes im an ev convert.","human_ref_B":"The guy makes a lot of valid points. At the end of the day, it all boils down to the tire contact patch. Those two oval spots are all that's available to change your speed or direction. Less weight allows the same reaction force from those contact patches to result in a higher acceleration. Most modern motorcycle tech makes it easier to get more out of the motorcycle for the average user, but adds a small amount of weight. Also the professional rider was already doing the things that the aides are doing himself, so the tools are redundant. Aides like abs and traction control are often removed at high levels of racing because the rider can actually do a better job of toeing the limit than the computer in every situation. Horsepower for horsepower, two strokes are usually a good bit lighter, but they can be fickle. They're usually very peaky, so if you fall out of the power band you lose a lot of power. A skilled rider keeps the engine in the right range to always have power available. As the other poster mentioned though, they are usually very inefficient. If the race was a long one, the lap speed advantage over the modern bike might be lost because of having to either carry more fuel, or stop for a fill-up. Finally, materials. If we're comparing actual vintage 2-strokes against modern race bikes, the advances in material tech may have been able to overcome the added weight of the 4-stroke and additional features on a modern bike. I have numbers for this though, so it's just speculation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5529.0,"score_ratio":7.25} +{"post_id":"f7tzp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are the mechanical advantages of modern four-stroke sportbikes over old two-stroke ones? A friend of mine always talks about two-stroke motorcycles being better than modern four-stroke ones due to how much quicker they tend to accelerate in comparison to four-stroke motorcycles with the same displacement. Their engines are usually more lightweight and they tend to produce more power than four-stroke engines with the same displacement. Overall, he believes that an old two-stroke sportbike under good conditions should have better lap times than the best liter bikes being produced today. But I don't really buy that. I'm sure modern bikes must have several mechanical advantages over old projects that surely could've been used as a base to make even better bikes. Obviously, modern bikes have onboard technology that helps riders ride more safely, but he believes that being a good rider has a lot to do with skillfully riding a dangerous motorcycle. I was wondering what advantages other than onboard technology modern bikes have. From what I've seen, it seems four-stroke sportbikes tend to accelerate well even at high speeds, whereas most four-strokes I've seen seemed to be unable to accelerate as quickly at high speeds. Another thing he always says is that two-stroke motorcycles are easier to modify so that they can produce even more power. I'm sure there are downsides to significantly increasing a motorcycle's power output, but would that make an old two-stroke sportbike capable of effectively beating modern liter bikes?","c_root_id_A":"fifsj8r","c_root_id_B":"fiftmnx","created_at_utc_A":1582392793,"created_at_utc_B":1582393147,"score_A":4,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Hes kinda right as those engines produce more power as they do have one work stroke per rpm compared to four stroke engines that have half of that. But its not like twice the power as theres a limit and that limit is that in a two stroke engine theres no separate admision and compression stroke and those serve also to get a good air-fuel mix. A good mix (ideally homogeneous for max power tho not best efficiency) guarantees that all fuel burns as to make the most peak pressure and therefore more power. As in a two stroke engine there arent separate phases for that, mixture is not as good and power isnt twice as much as it should be in theory but more like 20-40% percent more only. So why dont we use them nevertheless. Well they burn oil and as they have a bad mixture they let off CO and unburn fuel (dark smoke) throw the scape. So they cant pass emission laws.","human_ref_B":"Serious 2 stroke development stopped years ago due to emissions, if we ignore emissions and 2 stroke tech had been invested in like 4strokes and diesels i think 2 strokes would still be ahead for race applications. 4t has no answer for a power stroke every 360 and the power to weight ratio of a 2t engine. variable ports intake and expansion chambers could give a wide power band but never happened because of r&d cost\/regulations. Modern bikes are faster inspite of a 4t engine not because of it imo. That said we need to take emissions seriously and having played with powerful leccy bikes im an ev convert.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":354.0,"score_ratio":7.25} +{"post_id":"f7tzp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are the mechanical advantages of modern four-stroke sportbikes over old two-stroke ones? A friend of mine always talks about two-stroke motorcycles being better than modern four-stroke ones due to how much quicker they tend to accelerate in comparison to four-stroke motorcycles with the same displacement. Their engines are usually more lightweight and they tend to produce more power than four-stroke engines with the same displacement. Overall, he believes that an old two-stroke sportbike under good conditions should have better lap times than the best liter bikes being produced today. But I don't really buy that. I'm sure modern bikes must have several mechanical advantages over old projects that surely could've been used as a base to make even better bikes. Obviously, modern bikes have onboard technology that helps riders ride more safely, but he believes that being a good rider has a lot to do with skillfully riding a dangerous motorcycle. I was wondering what advantages other than onboard technology modern bikes have. From what I've seen, it seems four-stroke sportbikes tend to accelerate well even at high speeds, whereas most four-strokes I've seen seemed to be unable to accelerate as quickly at high speeds. Another thing he always says is that two-stroke motorcycles are easier to modify so that they can produce even more power. I'm sure there are downsides to significantly increasing a motorcycle's power output, but would that make an old two-stroke sportbike capable of effectively beating modern liter bikes?","c_root_id_A":"fifgl5p","c_root_id_B":"fifaa7j","created_at_utc_A":1582389595,"created_at_utc_B":1582387618,"score_A":19,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Since it is winter snowmobiles are in fashon here in Colorado. My job involves maintaining communication equipment on top of mountains. That entails getting there in bottomless snow sometimes on snowmobiles (or helicopters). Couple years ago had some 1000cc 4 stroke Suzuki's. 600 pound rockets, 0 to 70mph quite quickly. Nice rides. Enter 2018 RMK 800 2 stroke. This thing is an unbridled rocketship. 400 pounds and 170 horsepower. The drive track speed coincides with the throttle setting. Once you figure out how to hang on to the thing you can start at a dead stop, punch the throttle and the track is doing 70mph immediately and you and the machine are on a trajectory and trying to catch up. It is a rocket propelled kick in the ass. The Suzuki was cleaner running but... Same experience I had with my dirt bikes. I have a Suzuki DR600 4- stroke now and it is heavier than my old 250 2-stroke but the 250 was mostly on 1 wheel, the 600 takes effort to get on one wheel. Almost always a 2 stroke is lighter and quicker but the 4 stroke will almost always last longer between rebuilds. 2 strokes are typically balls to the walls machines. That is an aviation term you know. As a rule the 4 stroke needs to have about twice the displacement to have equal power, with that comes weight.","human_ref_B":"The guy makes a lot of valid points. At the end of the day, it all boils down to the tire contact patch. Those two oval spots are all that's available to change your speed or direction. Less weight allows the same reaction force from those contact patches to result in a higher acceleration. Most modern motorcycle tech makes it easier to get more out of the motorcycle for the average user, but adds a small amount of weight. Also the professional rider was already doing the things that the aides are doing himself, so the tools are redundant. Aides like abs and traction control are often removed at high levels of racing because the rider can actually do a better job of toeing the limit than the computer in every situation. Horsepower for horsepower, two strokes are usually a good bit lighter, but they can be fickle. They're usually very peaky, so if you fall out of the power band you lose a lot of power. A skilled rider keeps the engine in the right range to always have power available. As the other poster mentioned though, they are usually very inefficient. If the race was a long one, the lap speed advantage over the modern bike might be lost because of having to either carry more fuel, or stop for a fill-up. Finally, materials. If we're comparing actual vintage 2-strokes against modern race bikes, the advances in material tech may have been able to overcome the added weight of the 4-stroke and additional features on a modern bike. I have numbers for this though, so it's just speculation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1977.0,"score_ratio":4.75} +{"post_id":"f7tzp9","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are the mechanical advantages of modern four-stroke sportbikes over old two-stroke ones? A friend of mine always talks about two-stroke motorcycles being better than modern four-stroke ones due to how much quicker they tend to accelerate in comparison to four-stroke motorcycles with the same displacement. Their engines are usually more lightweight and they tend to produce more power than four-stroke engines with the same displacement. Overall, he believes that an old two-stroke sportbike under good conditions should have better lap times than the best liter bikes being produced today. But I don't really buy that. I'm sure modern bikes must have several mechanical advantages over old projects that surely could've been used as a base to make even better bikes. Obviously, modern bikes have onboard technology that helps riders ride more safely, but he believes that being a good rider has a lot to do with skillfully riding a dangerous motorcycle. I was wondering what advantages other than onboard technology modern bikes have. From what I've seen, it seems four-stroke sportbikes tend to accelerate well even at high speeds, whereas most four-strokes I've seen seemed to be unable to accelerate as quickly at high speeds. Another thing he always says is that two-stroke motorcycles are easier to modify so that they can produce even more power. I'm sure there are downsides to significantly increasing a motorcycle's power output, but would that make an old two-stroke sportbike capable of effectively beating modern liter bikes?","c_root_id_A":"fifaa7j","c_root_id_B":"fifqdut","created_at_utc_A":1582387618,"created_at_utc_B":1582392220,"score_A":4,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"The guy makes a lot of valid points. At the end of the day, it all boils down to the tire contact patch. Those two oval spots are all that's available to change your speed or direction. Less weight allows the same reaction force from those contact patches to result in a higher acceleration. Most modern motorcycle tech makes it easier to get more out of the motorcycle for the average user, but adds a small amount of weight. Also the professional rider was already doing the things that the aides are doing himself, so the tools are redundant. Aides like abs and traction control are often removed at high levels of racing because the rider can actually do a better job of toeing the limit than the computer in every situation. Horsepower for horsepower, two strokes are usually a good bit lighter, but they can be fickle. They're usually very peaky, so if you fall out of the power band you lose a lot of power. A skilled rider keeps the engine in the right range to always have power available. As the other poster mentioned though, they are usually very inefficient. If the race was a long one, the lap speed advantage over the modern bike might be lost because of having to either carry more fuel, or stop for a fill-up. Finally, materials. If we're comparing actual vintage 2-strokes against modern race bikes, the advances in material tech may have been able to overcome the added weight of the 4-stroke and additional features on a modern bike. I have numbers for this though, so it's just speculation.","human_ref_B":"To address one of your questions, two-stroke motors allow for a lot of power in a small package. You can build a very lightweight two-stroke track bike that, while unable to outrun a liter bike on a straightaway, will absolutely out maneuver the heavier bike in the corners. So yes, depending on the track, it is certainly plausible that a small displacement two-stroke could significantly out perform a liter bike.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4602.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"eci3qz4","c_root_id_B":"eci3val","created_at_utc_A":1545712764,"created_at_utc_B":1545712902,"score_A":47,"score_B":321,"human_ref_A":"Scientists try to figure out how the universe works. Engineers try to solve problems.","human_ref_B":"In general, scientists perform experiments in order to develop new knowledge and engineers apply scientific knowledge to develop products. The lines can be blurred depending on the industry and job though.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":138.0,"score_ratio":6.829787234} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"ecid0x3","c_root_id_B":"eci5cse","created_at_utc_A":1545725485,"created_at_utc_B":1545714593,"score_A":143,"score_B":56,"human_ref_A":"There are quite a few condescending comments in this thread. Disappointing. I worked in a number (2) of engineering positions. I am doing a scientific PhD right now. The red thread in most of the answers is correct, but people approach it from different angles. Science is about figuring out how things work, ie asking questions. Engineering is about making things work, ie giving answers. It is a continuum though with quite a bit of overlap between two. In my experience the biggest differences are seen in approaches to solving real-life problems. Scientists care a lot more about giving correct solutions, which often translates into NOT being result oriented, as the process of researching and having your theories fail is generally seen as ok. Moreso most theories tested are wrong and will fail, and it is just fine. Engineers need solutions that work. The solutions tend to work well only within a given context, so their general correctness is pretty much irrelevant. An example would be using newtonian physics for a majority of real-life problems, and when and if it fails more complex theories should be applied, e.g. GPS location satellites have to account for relativistic effects to function. does that answer your question?","human_ref_B":"https:\/\/i.imgur.com\/zjugQ8q.jpg","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10892.0,"score_ratio":2.5535714286} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"ecid0x3","c_root_id_B":"eci3qz4","created_at_utc_A":1545725485,"created_at_utc_B":1545712764,"score_A":143,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"There are quite a few condescending comments in this thread. Disappointing. I worked in a number (2) of engineering positions. I am doing a scientific PhD right now. The red thread in most of the answers is correct, but people approach it from different angles. Science is about figuring out how things work, ie asking questions. Engineering is about making things work, ie giving answers. It is a continuum though with quite a bit of overlap between two. In my experience the biggest differences are seen in approaches to solving real-life problems. Scientists care a lot more about giving correct solutions, which often translates into NOT being result oriented, as the process of researching and having your theories fail is generally seen as ok. Moreso most theories tested are wrong and will fail, and it is just fine. Engineers need solutions that work. The solutions tend to work well only within a given context, so their general correctness is pretty much irrelevant. An example would be using newtonian physics for a majority of real-life problems, and when and if it fails more complex theories should be applied, e.g. GPS location satellites have to account for relativistic effects to function. does that answer your question?","human_ref_B":"Scientists try to figure out how the universe works. Engineers try to solve problems.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12721.0,"score_ratio":3.0425531915} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"ecid0x3","c_root_id_B":"eci6go6","created_at_utc_A":1545725485,"created_at_utc_B":1545715865,"score_A":143,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"There are quite a few condescending comments in this thread. Disappointing. I worked in a number (2) of engineering positions. I am doing a scientific PhD right now. The red thread in most of the answers is correct, but people approach it from different angles. Science is about figuring out how things work, ie asking questions. Engineering is about making things work, ie giving answers. It is a continuum though with quite a bit of overlap between two. In my experience the biggest differences are seen in approaches to solving real-life problems. Scientists care a lot more about giving correct solutions, which often translates into NOT being result oriented, as the process of researching and having your theories fail is generally seen as ok. Moreso most theories tested are wrong and will fail, and it is just fine. Engineers need solutions that work. The solutions tend to work well only within a given context, so their general correctness is pretty much irrelevant. An example would be using newtonian physics for a majority of real-life problems, and when and if it fails more complex theories should be applied, e.g. GPS location satellites have to account for relativistic effects to function. does that answer your question?","human_ref_B":"Really it just depends what you want your career to look like. Go google \u201cr&d engineer\u201d and \u201cr&d scientist\u201d on indeed.com and read some job postings. Engineers are typically better paid and more stable career path. Scientists are more likely to work for a university and publish papers (in general). Scientists may do inspection or prototyping work for a company where engineers would do design work and process improvement. I\u2019m a chemical engineer, the line is blurry often lol Edit: a word","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9620.0,"score_ratio":6.8095238095} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"eci9sq7","c_root_id_B":"ecid0x3","created_at_utc_A":1545720133,"created_at_utc_B":1545725485,"score_A":2,"score_B":143,"human_ref_A":"Scientists try to make ever better models of some element of the world. Engineers use models of the world to accomplish some goal. To a scientist, the goal is the better models and there may be some in icidental accomplishments to get information to improve the model. To an engineer, the accomplishment is the goal, and having to improve a model to do so is icidental. In practice, both do a very wide range of work.","human_ref_B":"There are quite a few condescending comments in this thread. Disappointing. I worked in a number (2) of engineering positions. I am doing a scientific PhD right now. The red thread in most of the answers is correct, but people approach it from different angles. Science is about figuring out how things work, ie asking questions. Engineering is about making things work, ie giving answers. It is a continuum though with quite a bit of overlap between two. In my experience the biggest differences are seen in approaches to solving real-life problems. Scientists care a lot more about giving correct solutions, which often translates into NOT being result oriented, as the process of researching and having your theories fail is generally seen as ok. Moreso most theories tested are wrong and will fail, and it is just fine. Engineers need solutions that work. The solutions tend to work well only within a given context, so their general correctness is pretty much irrelevant. An example would be using newtonian physics for a majority of real-life problems, and when and if it fails more complex theories should be applied, e.g. GPS location satellites have to account for relativistic effects to function. does that answer your question?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5352.0,"score_ratio":71.5} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"eci3qz4","c_root_id_B":"eci5cse","created_at_utc_A":1545712764,"created_at_utc_B":1545714593,"score_A":47,"score_B":56,"human_ref_A":"Scientists try to figure out how the universe works. Engineers try to solve problems.","human_ref_B":"https:\/\/i.imgur.com\/zjugQ8q.jpg","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1829.0,"score_ratio":1.1914893617} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"eci3qz4","c_root_id_B":"ecid85g","created_at_utc_A":1545712764,"created_at_utc_B":1545725846,"score_A":47,"score_B":55,"human_ref_A":"Scientists try to figure out how the universe works. Engineers try to solve problems.","human_ref_B":"A scientist builds stuff to figure shit out. An engineer figures shit out to build stuff.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13082.0,"score_ratio":1.170212766} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"ecid85g","c_root_id_B":"eci6go6","created_at_utc_A":1545725846,"created_at_utc_B":1545715865,"score_A":55,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"A scientist builds stuff to figure shit out. An engineer figures shit out to build stuff.","human_ref_B":"Really it just depends what you want your career to look like. Go google \u201cr&d engineer\u201d and \u201cr&d scientist\u201d on indeed.com and read some job postings. Engineers are typically better paid and more stable career path. Scientists are more likely to work for a university and publish papers (in general). Scientists may do inspection or prototyping work for a company where engineers would do design work and process improvement. I\u2019m a chemical engineer, the line is blurry often lol Edit: a word","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9981.0,"score_ratio":2.619047619} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"eci9sq7","c_root_id_B":"ecid85g","created_at_utc_A":1545720133,"created_at_utc_B":1545725846,"score_A":2,"score_B":55,"human_ref_A":"Scientists try to make ever better models of some element of the world. Engineers use models of the world to accomplish some goal. To a scientist, the goal is the better models and there may be some in icidental accomplishments to get information to improve the model. To an engineer, the accomplishment is the goal, and having to improve a model to do so is icidental. In practice, both do a very wide range of work.","human_ref_B":"A scientist builds stuff to figure shit out. An engineer figures shit out to build stuff.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5713.0,"score_ratio":27.5} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"ecipnmp","c_root_id_B":"ecidn6n","created_at_utc_A":1545745768,"created_at_utc_B":1545726610,"score_A":11,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"An old lecturer of mine summed it up as \"Engineering is approximate physics, for profit\". Basically, science is research to extend the pool of human knowledge, engineering is doing something with that knowledge.","human_ref_B":"I find that engineering is the art of compromise and negotiation. Given a bunch of constraints: time, money\/budget, features, quality, resources\/people - provide a solution to a problem. You usually can't have everything, so finding the right balance (through compromise and negotiation) is the skill to achieve the required goals. Clients\/managers often want the \"moon on a stick\", so for me, being an engineer, means finding a way to deliver *most* of what they want, but it's rare to be able to deliver it all within the given time and budget. Simply look at all the large engineering projects which go over budget and time.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19158.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"ecipnmp","c_root_id_B":"ecigup4","created_at_utc_A":1545745768,"created_at_utc_B":1545732696,"score_A":11,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"An old lecturer of mine summed it up as \"Engineering is approximate physics, for profit\". Basically, science is research to extend the pool of human knowledge, engineering is doing something with that knowledge.","human_ref_B":"Scientists try to understand how the world works, whether that's something fundamental like a physicist trying to understand sub-atomic particles, or something more practical like an industrial chemist trying to find out what reactions create a desired molecule. Engineers take the results of those scientific discoveries and *apply* them to make things happen. So maybe that's using a particular quantum mechanical effect to create a new type of computing or mixing physics and chemistry to make that molecule the chemist worked out at an industrial scale. There can be a lot of overlap once you're past undergraduate university - the lines between discovery and application blur and you get a lot of skills that work across disciplines.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13072.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"ecipnmp","c_root_id_B":"ecij9ip","created_at_utc_A":1545745768,"created_at_utc_B":1545736750,"score_A":11,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"An old lecturer of mine summed it up as \"Engineering is approximate physics, for profit\". Basically, science is research to extend the pool of human knowledge, engineering is doing something with that knowledge.","human_ref_B":"I think the best broad description comes down to this: a scientist takes the specific (experiments) and tries to expand it to fit the general (theories), while the engineer does to take the general (theories) and apply it to the specific (projects). Often, these actual tasks overlap, but the intent separates the two disciplines.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9018.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"ecipnmp","c_root_id_B":"eci9sq7","created_at_utc_A":1545745768,"created_at_utc_B":1545720133,"score_A":11,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"An old lecturer of mine summed it up as \"Engineering is approximate physics, for profit\". Basically, science is research to extend the pool of human knowledge, engineering is doing something with that knowledge.","human_ref_B":"Scientists try to make ever better models of some element of the world. Engineers use models of the world to accomplish some goal. To a scientist, the goal is the better models and there may be some in icidental accomplishments to get information to improve the model. To an engineer, the accomplishment is the goal, and having to improve a model to do so is icidental. In practice, both do a very wide range of work.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25635.0,"score_ratio":5.5} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"ecijl7z","c_root_id_B":"ecipnmp","created_at_utc_A":1545737298,"created_at_utc_B":1545745768,"score_A":2,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Scientists look for funding. Engineers do paperwork.","human_ref_B":"An old lecturer of mine summed it up as \"Engineering is approximate physics, for profit\". Basically, science is research to extend the pool of human knowledge, engineering is doing something with that knowledge.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8470.0,"score_ratio":5.5} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"eci9sq7","c_root_id_B":"ecidn6n","created_at_utc_A":1545720133,"created_at_utc_B":1545726610,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Scientists try to make ever better models of some element of the world. Engineers use models of the world to accomplish some goal. To a scientist, the goal is the better models and there may be some in icidental accomplishments to get information to improve the model. To an engineer, the accomplishment is the goal, and having to improve a model to do so is icidental. In practice, both do a very wide range of work.","human_ref_B":"I find that engineering is the art of compromise and negotiation. Given a bunch of constraints: time, money\/budget, features, quality, resources\/people - provide a solution to a problem. You usually can't have everything, so finding the right balance (through compromise and negotiation) is the skill to achieve the required goals. Clients\/managers often want the \"moon on a stick\", so for me, being an engineer, means finding a way to deliver *most* of what they want, but it's rare to be able to deliver it all within the given time and budget. Simply look at all the large engineering projects which go over budget and time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6477.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"eci9sq7","c_root_id_B":"ecigup4","created_at_utc_A":1545720133,"created_at_utc_B":1545732696,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Scientists try to make ever better models of some element of the world. Engineers use models of the world to accomplish some goal. To a scientist, the goal is the better models and there may be some in icidental accomplishments to get information to improve the model. To an engineer, the accomplishment is the goal, and having to improve a model to do so is icidental. In practice, both do a very wide range of work.","human_ref_B":"Scientists try to understand how the world works, whether that's something fundamental like a physicist trying to understand sub-atomic particles, or something more practical like an industrial chemist trying to find out what reactions create a desired molecule. Engineers take the results of those scientific discoveries and *apply* them to make things happen. So maybe that's using a particular quantum mechanical effect to create a new type of computing or mixing physics and chemistry to make that molecule the chemist worked out at an industrial scale. There can be a lot of overlap once you're past undergraduate university - the lines between discovery and application blur and you get a lot of skills that work across disciplines.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12563.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"a9c0pe","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What\u2019s the difference between a scientist and engineer? I am still thinking about what field to go into. I don\u2019t know if I should go for an engineer or scientist. I think that understanding the clear lines between these two fields and the differences in the line of work may help me come to a decision. If an engineer can help clarify this, that would be great.","c_root_id_A":"ecij9ip","c_root_id_B":"eci9sq7","created_at_utc_A":1545736750,"created_at_utc_B":1545720133,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I think the best broad description comes down to this: a scientist takes the specific (experiments) and tries to expand it to fit the general (theories), while the engineer does to take the general (theories) and apply it to the specific (projects). Often, these actual tasks overlap, but the intent separates the two disciplines.","human_ref_B":"Scientists try to make ever better models of some element of the world. Engineers use models of the world to accomplish some goal. To a scientist, the goal is the better models and there may be some in icidental accomplishments to get information to improve the model. To an engineer, the accomplishment is the goal, and having to improve a model to do so is icidental. In practice, both do a very wide range of work.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16617.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"cpvzff","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"CAD advice for mechanical engineer student Hi! Im starting my third year of my 5 year mechanical engineering degree and ive found out that i am really into CAD. I was wondering if anyone had any good sites that have various mechanical drawings so that I can practice. Also any advice on how to improve my skills! Bonus question: what CAD program do you prefer and why?","c_root_id_A":"ews2cjp","c_root_id_B":"ews06mw","created_at_utc_A":1565718760,"created_at_utc_B":1565717498,"score_A":10,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Go to grabcad and look at how everyone else designs stuff. You can learn a lot from other people\u2019s work. I prefer solidWorks for doing 3D designs and any FEA. I hate it for 2d drawings. It\u2019s a very powerful tool if your company actually shells out a decent amount for your rig and solidWorks premium subscription I prefer autoCAD for 2D drawings and hate it for 3D designs","human_ref_B":"Pick an item around the house and model it. When you get stuck on how to make a certain feature search it. This imho is the best way to learn. I would recommend starting with 2D orthographic and isometric drawings. This helps you learn how to visualize dimensions and also read drawings. I was raised in an Autodesk household so I\u2019m AutoCAD and Inventor all the way lol.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1262.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286} +{"post_id":"cpvzff","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"CAD advice for mechanical engineer student Hi! Im starting my third year of my 5 year mechanical engineering degree and ive found out that i am really into CAD. I was wondering if anyone had any good sites that have various mechanical drawings so that I can practice. Also any advice on how to improve my skills! Bonus question: what CAD program do you prefer and why?","c_root_id_A":"ews2cjp","c_root_id_B":"ewrylc8","created_at_utc_A":1565718760,"created_at_utc_B":1565716537,"score_A":10,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Go to grabcad and look at how everyone else designs stuff. You can learn a lot from other people\u2019s work. I prefer solidWorks for doing 3D designs and any FEA. I hate it for 2d drawings. It\u2019s a very powerful tool if your company actually shells out a decent amount for your rig and solidWorks premium subscription I prefer autoCAD for 2D drawings and hate it for 3D designs","human_ref_B":"Don't discount YouTube tutorials, especially if you can snag student editions of software. If I remember correctly, Autodesk gives out Inventor free if you have a .edu email address. YouTube is a great resource in this case because you can follow along as someone does it; good tutorials will explain the methodology and reasoning behind why they're using a particular tool. If you want to find particular drawings, try looking for patent drawings. These are publicly available and have the relevant dimensions you'd need. I prefer Solidworks, because that's what I learned 3D modeling on, but I am comfortable in Inventor and NX if I have to use them. Not as great in 2D space but I can manage.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2223.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"cpvzff","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"CAD advice for mechanical engineer student Hi! Im starting my third year of my 5 year mechanical engineering degree and ive found out that i am really into CAD. I was wondering if anyone had any good sites that have various mechanical drawings so that I can practice. Also any advice on how to improve my skills! Bonus question: what CAD program do you prefer and why?","c_root_id_A":"ewrylc8","c_root_id_B":"ews3qu2","created_at_utc_A":1565716537,"created_at_utc_B":1565719575,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Don't discount YouTube tutorials, especially if you can snag student editions of software. If I remember correctly, Autodesk gives out Inventor free if you have a .edu email address. YouTube is a great resource in this case because you can follow along as someone does it; good tutorials will explain the methodology and reasoning behind why they're using a particular tool. If you want to find particular drawings, try looking for patent drawings. These are publicly available and have the relevant dimensions you'd need. I prefer Solidworks, because that's what I learned 3D modeling on, but I am comfortable in Inventor and NX if I have to use them. Not as great in 2D space but I can manage.","human_ref_B":"SolidWorks was pushed very hard in my undergrad, so it's what I'm most familiar with. Once you know one CAD program you can learn others fairly quickly. A great learning resource is Model Mania from SolidWorks - https:\/\/blogs.solidworks.com\/tech\/2018\/04\/19-years-of-model-mania.html They provide a simple drawing and a more advanced one that requires modifications and FEA. There's also a video to accompany each model to show how it's done if you get stuck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3038.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"cpvzff","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"CAD advice for mechanical engineer student Hi! Im starting my third year of my 5 year mechanical engineering degree and ive found out that i am really into CAD. I was wondering if anyone had any good sites that have various mechanical drawings so that I can practice. Also any advice on how to improve my skills! Bonus question: what CAD program do you prefer and why?","c_root_id_A":"ews06mw","c_root_id_B":"ewrylc8","created_at_utc_A":1565717498,"created_at_utc_B":1565716537,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Pick an item around the house and model it. When you get stuck on how to make a certain feature search it. This imho is the best way to learn. I would recommend starting with 2D orthographic and isometric drawings. This helps you learn how to visualize dimensions and also read drawings. I was raised in an Autodesk household so I\u2019m AutoCAD and Inventor all the way lol.","human_ref_B":"Don't discount YouTube tutorials, especially if you can snag student editions of software. If I remember correctly, Autodesk gives out Inventor free if you have a .edu email address. YouTube is a great resource in this case because you can follow along as someone does it; good tutorials will explain the methodology and reasoning behind why they're using a particular tool. If you want to find particular drawings, try looking for patent drawings. These are publicly available and have the relevant dimensions you'd need. I prefer Solidworks, because that's what I learned 3D modeling on, but I am comfortable in Inventor and NX if I have to use them. Not as great in 2D space but I can manage.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":961.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"cpvzff","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"CAD advice for mechanical engineer student Hi! Im starting my third year of my 5 year mechanical engineering degree and ive found out that i am really into CAD. I was wondering if anyone had any good sites that have various mechanical drawings so that I can practice. Also any advice on how to improve my skills! Bonus question: what CAD program do you prefer and why?","c_root_id_A":"ews5824","c_root_id_B":"ews527u","created_at_utc_A":1565720434,"created_at_utc_B":1565720339,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"In university I used SolidEdge then switched to Inventor. Working world I have used both SolidEdge and SolidWorks. They all have their own quirks though with some functions working way better in one package compared to another. Never worked in the top level packages like NX or Catia though. As for what to design I would have guessed you would be doing design projects in your degree already. But for additional practice find cool things around you and try model them accurately or design stuff to 3d print. Tutorials are good for learning new functionality but real practice for a blank canvas is best. Also try learn surfacing because depending on what you design it can make life much easier","human_ref_B":"I did my apprenticeship with Catia and it is lovely how you're having one problem and one solution, or few, but get to the one you imagined. Because brush dependencies. I also did learn to use Solid Works at college, and it is like driving a car without turning lights. You get from A to B simply, but sometimes for random reasons you just get crashed by symmetry and construction in assemblys. The fastest way to learn were old exams for my apprenticeship. These did include the construction of multiple parts, drawings and assemblys. But really learning to design, after you got the basics, is when making products which you wanne hold\/ use afterwards. TL,DR: catia works always. Look for old apprenticeship exams(5h)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":95.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"cpvzff","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"CAD advice for mechanical engineer student Hi! Im starting my third year of my 5 year mechanical engineering degree and ive found out that i am really into CAD. I was wondering if anyone had any good sites that have various mechanical drawings so that I can practice. Also any advice on how to improve my skills! Bonus question: what CAD program do you prefer and why?","c_root_id_A":"ewsv7aj","c_root_id_B":"ewtdgtv","created_at_utc_A":1565735952,"created_at_utc_B":1565742711,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I really like solid works. I was on ptc for years then switched jobs and had to convert and I just like it. If you are going to work with solid works definitely make some time to take online training or get a book because it is REALLY easy to design yourself into situations where your assemblies don't work or you can't share any of your files.","human_ref_B":"Remember to not neglect being able to draw clearly and in perspective by hand. CAD is great, but sketching by hand is often more valuable and time-thrifty when thinking through possible designs and discussing them with others.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6759.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"cpvzff","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"CAD advice for mechanical engineer student Hi! Im starting my third year of my 5 year mechanical engineering degree and ive found out that i am really into CAD. I was wondering if anyone had any good sites that have various mechanical drawings so that I can practice. Also any advice on how to improve my skills! Bonus question: what CAD program do you prefer and why?","c_root_id_A":"ewtdgtv","c_root_id_B":"ewt1fg7","created_at_utc_A":1565742711,"created_at_utc_B":1565738357,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Remember to not neglect being able to draw clearly and in perspective by hand. CAD is great, but sketching by hand is often more valuable and time-thrifty when thinking through possible designs and discussing them with others.","human_ref_B":"I have played around (and worked) with all of the most common CAD softwares. In Uni, work, internships and whatnot. Inventor, Solid Works, AutoCAD, Solid Edge, Catia, Siemens NX, and even Creo (stay away from this one). Most of my actual paid work has been with Solid Edge, Solid works, and NX, in that order. What I used was never up to me. But I can tell you: it doesn't really matter that much. If you master any one of those on the list you will be able to pick up another one and in about one day you will be doing the same stuff at about 80% time efficiency. All of them have advantages and disadvantages over the others. Sometimes not even about CAD. Integration with other softwares (CAM, CFD or FEA) are hugely relevant and will vary a lot according to context. So just pick one that you can get for free and go for it. I have Solid Edge at home because that is the one I have been using the most in my current job and got used to it. The software comes with extensive integrated tutorials and there is a free student version. I already taught some interns at work on how to use it and I always spend a couple of days following the tutorial, then procede to real world objects - no drawings, just a calliper - and finally I give them some examples of drawings we have drawn at the firm. Everyone is different but it usually takes about 20-30h to finish the main line of tutorials and then about 20 more hours of free practice to get to the point where they can easily draw a realistic object like a pencil sharpener or a holes puncher or something like that. So at least one work week to get comfortable with the basic features.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4354.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"mh8idv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is Glassdoor still a reliable source for salary comparisons in engineering? I\u2019ve heard from a couple people that Glassdoor is saturated with salaries from 7+ years ago and that they don\u2019t really reflect today\u2019s salaries. Some have said that levels.fyi is a better representation. Is there any truth to this?","c_root_id_A":"gsxhtkz","c_root_id_B":"gsxir6v","created_at_utc_A":1617208108,"created_at_utc_B":1617208522,"score_A":3,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"I think so. It has older stuff but each time new people go look, it asks for them to enter current salaries.","human_ref_B":"Have you contributed your salary to it? Do you know anyone who has? The results are only as good as the data it gets.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":414.0,"score_ratio":9.0} +{"post_id":"mh8idv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is Glassdoor still a reliable source for salary comparisons in engineering? I\u2019ve heard from a couple people that Glassdoor is saturated with salaries from 7+ years ago and that they don\u2019t really reflect today\u2019s salaries. Some have said that levels.fyi is a better representation. Is there any truth to this?","c_root_id_A":"gsxhtkz","c_root_id_B":"gsxxixr","created_at_utc_A":1617208108,"created_at_utc_B":1617215186,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I think so. It has older stuff but each time new people go look, it asks for them to enter current salaries.","human_ref_B":"Levels.fyi allows you to view recently entered pay.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7078.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"lyceiz","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Failure Friday (05 Mar 2021): Break something at the office this week? We want to hear about it! # Intro Today's thread is for all the recent explosions, broken parts, vendor headaches, and safety violations at your workplace. If nothing exciting happened at your workplace this week, we also take stories about terrible management and office pranks on the interns. > [Archive of past threads] # Good stories from past threads Liked a story from an old thread? **Message us** and we'll add it here. 1. The one that started it: *\"That day when your boss almost dies\"* 1. \/u\/DoctorWhoToYou talks about his time as the Maintenance Manager at a Tier 1 automotive supplier in the mid-90s 1. \/u\/Hiddencamper talks about that one time when the Emergency Trip System didn't work right at a BWR nuclear power plant # Guidelines * **Please share without revealing your identity or workplace, or violating your security clearance!** We assume no responsibility for anything that you make public on the internet. * Photos are welcome, but must include a story to go with it.","c_root_id_A":"gps1pmf","c_root_id_B":"gpuh0ho","created_at_utc_A":1614956457,"created_at_utc_B":1614995403,"score_A":18,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"I haven't broken anything (yet), but a bracket I designed we found out doesn't fit in the space it's supposed to, which would be fine, but our project manager jumped the gun and ordered 114 of these suckers ($100+ a pop) and requires a redesign of a whole frame in order to make work. They'll probably get scrapped or given out as paper weights.","human_ref_B":"I ran over a 3D printer with a forklift","labels":0,"seconds_difference":38946.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"lyceiz","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Failure Friday (05 Mar 2021): Break something at the office this week? We want to hear about it! # Intro Today's thread is for all the recent explosions, broken parts, vendor headaches, and safety violations at your workplace. If nothing exciting happened at your workplace this week, we also take stories about terrible management and office pranks on the interns. > [Archive of past threads] # Good stories from past threads Liked a story from an old thread? **Message us** and we'll add it here. 1. The one that started it: *\"That day when your boss almost dies\"* 1. \/u\/DoctorWhoToYou talks about his time as the Maintenance Manager at a Tier 1 automotive supplier in the mid-90s 1. \/u\/Hiddencamper talks about that one time when the Emergency Trip System didn't work right at a BWR nuclear power plant # Guidelines * **Please share without revealing your identity or workplace, or violating your security clearance!** We assume no responsibility for anything that you make public on the internet. * Photos are welcome, but must include a story to go with it.","c_root_id_A":"gpspt0m","c_root_id_B":"gpuh0ho","created_at_utc_A":1614966926,"created_at_utc_B":1614995403,"score_A":10,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"It took me 8 tries to make a small brass cylinder in a lathe with a M8 external thread on one side and a M4 internal thread on the other... got there in the end bois - Mechatronics Intern","human_ref_B":"I ran over a 3D printer with a forklift","labels":0,"seconds_difference":28477.0,"score_ratio":2.1} +{"post_id":"lyceiz","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Failure Friday (05 Mar 2021): Break something at the office this week? We want to hear about it! # Intro Today's thread is for all the recent explosions, broken parts, vendor headaches, and safety violations at your workplace. If nothing exciting happened at your workplace this week, we also take stories about terrible management and office pranks on the interns. > [Archive of past threads] # Good stories from past threads Liked a story from an old thread? **Message us** and we'll add it here. 1. The one that started it: *\"That day when your boss almost dies\"* 1. \/u\/DoctorWhoToYou talks about his time as the Maintenance Manager at a Tier 1 automotive supplier in the mid-90s 1. \/u\/Hiddencamper talks about that one time when the Emergency Trip System didn't work right at a BWR nuclear power plant # Guidelines * **Please share without revealing your identity or workplace, or violating your security clearance!** We assume no responsibility for anything that you make public on the internet. * Photos are welcome, but must include a story to go with it.","c_root_id_A":"gq7b5jc","c_root_id_B":"gqlo6da","created_at_utc_A":1615205904,"created_at_utc_B":1615487981,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I used to work for a telecom company a few years back. One time a Network technician and I (the outside plant engineer) were installing a new SFP (transceiver that changes EM waves to Electrical signals) into a switch. As soon as we plugged in the SFP we heard a heart wrenching *pew* all the lights on the switch went green to amber and 23 customers lost internet. Luckily we were able to install a whole new switch within the hour and restore internet. Our warehouse guy was our savior that day. The next day we had that awkward \"we have no clue what happened\" talk with our manager and the network engineer. Afterwards a new company standard was created..avoid loading all the ports on the switches.","human_ref_B":"Not recent, but back when I was a wee intern I got asked to make a tensioning system for a conveyor belt. Designed the whole thing, had it installed...and it ripped apart the conveyor lmfao. Main issue came down to: A) i was junior in college w\/o access to conveyor belt simulation stuff, doing my best FEA in autodesk B) my dumbass put the tensioner on the drive side of the motor (because that's where there was space) Wasn't until I asked a friend in a different department about it who'd spent like 6 years as a dairy farmer doing his own maintenance, and he was like...bruh, I'm sorry, you shouldn't have been asked to design this, lmao.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":282077.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"uq5yg","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"I'm considering going for a PhD when I'm done with grad school. Where could\/should I go My undergrad(s) were in Math and MechE at CU Boulder. I didn't do the best there (2.93) I worked for two years, then went to University of WI Milwaukee and am finishing my thesis. I have a 3.7 I'm thinking about going after a PhD. I'm wondering where I might be able to get accepted. What exactly should I consider? I don't really have a MechE focus right now, much more electrical\/computer from grad school. PS. I LOVE Colorado... Denver, Boulder, Ft. Collins, etc... Would you suggest not pursuing the PhD? Why?","c_root_id_A":"c4xm70t","c_root_id_B":"c4xmy3u","created_at_utc_A":1339104338,"created_at_utc_B":1339107508,"score_A":7,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"You should do your PhD wherever you fit the best with your advisor and where you're interested in the research. I'd get some advice from your current advisor on what s\/he thinks about your prospects of getting a PhD and if they have any recommendations. A PhD will probably close doors to entry-level technical jobs and some other positions, but it will open the door into research positions. If you like doing research, keep going for a PhD. I'm giving a shoutout to Texas - El Paso. My cousin is doing his PhD in EE there and is loving it.","human_ref_B":"Doesn't matter where you think you will or won't get accepted; find a professor doing research that you would enjoy doing for 4-6+ years, and has sufficient funding for your education unless you have a scholarship\/fellowship. You should be selective of where you go to grad school and who you work for, not the other way around. You're smart enough to do your own projects and work in industry, so any prospective grad program better be good to you if you're going to commit to their bottom line for a fraction of what industry pays and arguably more work. One tip I have: if a professor cares only about GPA as a metric for how smart and capable a person is, run the other way. If you do a PhD, R&D and working in academia better top your list of prospective jobs, because that's what you would mostly box yourself into. Plenty of hiring managers I've known in industry aren't too interested in PhD's because they prefer to start with a fresh BS or maybe MS, then mold them into their company as they see fit. That, and hiring managers think the work is mundane enough to make a PhD bail after the minimum time. I stayed for a MS in engineering thinking I wanted to go into R&D but after seeing how things are done in academia and how grad students were treated as cheap labor, I graduated, got the hell out of school and into industry, and never looked back. I'd love to do a second MS some day but only if it's paid for by my company. Lastly, if you're finishing your thesis then you best decide *real soon* if you're going for the PhD or going into industry, because half-assing either will usually not end well.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3170.0,"score_ratio":1.8571428571} +{"post_id":"a40yxx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Does the Boring Company make their own drilling equipment or do they source it from Herrenknecht? Herrenknecht AG is a German company that maybe the only company of its kind to make amazing earth-tunneling equipment. Does Elon Musk's Boring Company utilize their technology, or does the Boring Company manufacture their own boring equipment?","c_root_id_A":"ebaoyo6","c_root_id_B":"ebamwt2","created_at_utc_A":1544199118,"created_at_utc_B":1544197673,"score_A":97,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Lots of companies make TBM's. Hitachi, Robbins, Caterpillar, Kawasaki are just a few of them.","human_ref_B":"At least they were in contact. https:\/\/www.welt.de\/wirtschaft\/article164311688\/Elon-Musk-hat-einen-Plan-fuer-die-Revolution-des-Tunnelbaus.html (sorry, only in German)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1445.0,"score_ratio":5.1052631579} +{"post_id":"a40yxx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Does the Boring Company make their own drilling equipment or do they source it from Herrenknecht? Herrenknecht AG is a German company that maybe the only company of its kind to make amazing earth-tunneling equipment. Does Elon Musk's Boring Company utilize their technology, or does the Boring Company manufacture their own boring equipment?","c_root_id_A":"ebamwt2","c_root_id_B":"ebat3kc","created_at_utc_A":1544197673,"created_at_utc_B":1544202015,"score_A":19,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"At least they were in contact. https:\/\/www.welt.de\/wirtschaft\/article164311688\/Elon-Musk-hat-einen-Plan-fuer-die-Revolution-des-Tunnelbaus.html (sorry, only in German)","human_ref_B":"Does SolarCity make their own solar panels? No, and no.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4342.0,"score_ratio":1.4736842105} +{"post_id":"a40yxx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Does the Boring Company make their own drilling equipment or do they source it from Herrenknecht? Herrenknecht AG is a German company that maybe the only company of its kind to make amazing earth-tunneling equipment. Does Elon Musk's Boring Company utilize their technology, or does the Boring Company manufacture their own boring equipment?","c_root_id_A":"ebauwo1","c_root_id_B":"ebb0x1l","created_at_utc_A":1544203445,"created_at_utc_B":1544208124,"score_A":8,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"They basically bought a machine to do a a project and investigate difficulties and challenges associated with such projects. I think they would like to build their own in the future. like space, Elon Musk sees the ground beneath our feet as a universe of untapped potential, but knows very little about how to innovate there. So, he started a company to explore that","human_ref_B":"They are currently using a machine they did not make but are working on heavily modified versions to improve speed even more.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4679.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"a40yxx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Does the Boring Company make their own drilling equipment or do they source it from Herrenknecht? Herrenknecht AG is a German company that maybe the only company of its kind to make amazing earth-tunneling equipment. Does Elon Musk's Boring Company utilize their technology, or does the Boring Company manufacture their own boring equipment?","c_root_id_A":"ebb0x1l","c_root_id_B":"ebaxo1s","created_at_utc_A":1544208124,"created_at_utc_B":1544205585,"score_A":12,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"They are currently using a machine they did not make but are working on heavily modified versions to improve speed even more.","human_ref_B":"For some of the tunnels in LA they are borrowing Metros machines.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2539.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"a40yxx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Does the Boring Company make their own drilling equipment or do they source it from Herrenknecht? Herrenknecht AG is a German company that maybe the only company of its kind to make amazing earth-tunneling equipment. Does Elon Musk's Boring Company utilize their technology, or does the Boring Company manufacture their own boring equipment?","c_root_id_A":"ebazx1f","c_root_id_B":"ebb0x1l","created_at_utc_A":1544207347,"created_at_utc_B":1544208124,"score_A":5,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"No, bit they did modify it to have a fully electric drive train and not a diesel hybrid.","human_ref_B":"They are currently using a machine they did not make but are working on heavily modified versions to improve speed even more.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":777.0,"score_ratio":2.4} +{"post_id":"a40yxx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Does the Boring Company make their own drilling equipment or do they source it from Herrenknecht? Herrenknecht AG is a German company that maybe the only company of its kind to make amazing earth-tunneling equipment. Does Elon Musk's Boring Company utilize their technology, or does the Boring Company manufacture their own boring equipment?","c_root_id_A":"ebauwo1","c_root_id_B":"ebbqn4f","created_at_utc_A":1544203445,"created_at_utc_B":1544228851,"score_A":8,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"They basically bought a machine to do a a project and investigate difficulties and challenges associated with such projects. I think they would like to build their own in the future. like space, Elon Musk sees the ground beneath our feet as a universe of untapped potential, but knows very little about how to innovate there. So, he started a company to explore that","human_ref_B":"\u201cDuring the Boring Company\u2019s information session earlier this year, Elon Musk described the design of the startup\u2019s tunnel boring machines. According to Musk, Godot, the company\u2019s first TBM, is a conventional tunneling machine. Line-Storm, which was announced by Musk on Twitter last October, would be a hybrid, with parts from conventional boring machines and custom hardware designed by the company. Thanks to its hybrid nature, Line-Storm would be 2x faster than Godot. Proof-Rock, a third-generation TBM, will be developed entirely by the Boring Company, and it would be 10-15x faster than conventional TBMs.\u201d Source: Article Information session in question: Boring Company Info Session","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25406.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"a40yxx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Does the Boring Company make their own drilling equipment or do they source it from Herrenknecht? Herrenknecht AG is a German company that maybe the only company of its kind to make amazing earth-tunneling equipment. Does Elon Musk's Boring Company utilize their technology, or does the Boring Company manufacture their own boring equipment?","c_root_id_A":"ebbqn4f","c_root_id_B":"ebaxo1s","created_at_utc_A":1544228851,"created_at_utc_B":1544205585,"score_A":10,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"\u201cDuring the Boring Company\u2019s information session earlier this year, Elon Musk described the design of the startup\u2019s tunnel boring machines. According to Musk, Godot, the company\u2019s first TBM, is a conventional tunneling machine. Line-Storm, which was announced by Musk on Twitter last October, would be a hybrid, with parts from conventional boring machines and custom hardware designed by the company. Thanks to its hybrid nature, Line-Storm would be 2x faster than Godot. Proof-Rock, a third-generation TBM, will be developed entirely by the Boring Company, and it would be 10-15x faster than conventional TBMs.\u201d Source: Article Information session in question: Boring Company Info Session","human_ref_B":"For some of the tunnels in LA they are borrowing Metros machines.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23266.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"a40yxx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Does the Boring Company make their own drilling equipment or do they source it from Herrenknecht? Herrenknecht AG is a German company that maybe the only company of its kind to make amazing earth-tunneling equipment. Does Elon Musk's Boring Company utilize their technology, or does the Boring Company manufacture their own boring equipment?","c_root_id_A":"ebbqn4f","c_root_id_B":"ebazx1f","created_at_utc_A":1544228851,"created_at_utc_B":1544207347,"score_A":10,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"\u201cDuring the Boring Company\u2019s information session earlier this year, Elon Musk described the design of the startup\u2019s tunnel boring machines. According to Musk, Godot, the company\u2019s first TBM, is a conventional tunneling machine. Line-Storm, which was announced by Musk on Twitter last October, would be a hybrid, with parts from conventional boring machines and custom hardware designed by the company. Thanks to its hybrid nature, Line-Storm would be 2x faster than Godot. Proof-Rock, a third-generation TBM, will be developed entirely by the Boring Company, and it would be 10-15x faster than conventional TBMs.\u201d Source: Article Information session in question: Boring Company Info Session","human_ref_B":"No, bit they did modify it to have a fully electric drive train and not a diesel hybrid.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21504.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"brp6z8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why are processors rated (at least to consumers) in Hertz, rather than flops? As I understand it (not an EE), flops is the more important quantity, so it seems wonky at face value.","c_root_id_A":"eofmdo0","c_root_id_B":"eofm0yy","created_at_utc_A":1558538120,"created_at_utc_B":1558537870,"score_A":138,"score_B":51,"human_ref_A":"Because marketing was easier with Hz and for a while Hz was generally synonymous with overall speed.","human_ref_B":"What is important depends on what is important to you. Flops (a measure of floating point performance) is not useful if your work depends on manipulating integers or characters. There are many different synthetic benchmarks, i.e. programs designed to simulate real world workloads, and so may match what you want to know. Pending such refinement, processor frequency will give you a \"wet finger in the air\" idea for a given processor family, number of cores and cache size. The most reliable proxy for performance may be cost, given the power of the free market.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":250.0,"score_ratio":2.7058823529} +{"post_id":"brp6z8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why are processors rated (at least to consumers) in Hertz, rather than flops? As I understand it (not an EE), flops is the more important quantity, so it seems wonky at face value.","c_root_id_A":"eofoevs","c_root_id_B":"eofm0yy","created_at_utc_A":1558539562,"created_at_utc_B":1558537870,"score_A":89,"score_B":51,"human_ref_A":"There is no single performance metric that is most important in computers. Hz is an easy way to discuss speed within a generation and product line. Just like cars have horsepower, 0-60, MPG Highway, MPG City, interior cubic feet, seats or # of doors, there are a number of ways to rate computers. Hz isn\u2019t bad since it gives you a general idea about the difference between trim levels.","human_ref_B":"What is important depends on what is important to you. Flops (a measure of floating point performance) is not useful if your work depends on manipulating integers or characters. There are many different synthetic benchmarks, i.e. programs designed to simulate real world workloads, and so may match what you want to know. Pending such refinement, processor frequency will give you a \"wet finger in the air\" idea for a given processor family, number of cores and cache size. The most reliable proxy for performance may be cost, given the power of the free market.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1692.0,"score_ratio":1.7450980392} +{"post_id":"brp6z8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why are processors rated (at least to consumers) in Hertz, rather than flops? As I understand it (not an EE), flops is the more important quantity, so it seems wonky at face value.","c_root_id_A":"eog29fy","c_root_id_B":"eoft21x","created_at_utc_A":1558549182,"created_at_utc_B":1558542795,"score_A":22,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"We usually talk about frequency and IPC, instructions per clock. They're both important, but IPC is hard to measure and is different for each program. Some programs' performance may be mostly limited by FLOPS, but usually RAM latency, cache latency, if statement speed, integer performance, and many other factors are just as important. Which is more important depends on the program. If you have 16 numbers and want to multiply them by 16 other numbers and add the products to 16 other numbers, you can do that in one instruction with AVX-512. This happens mostly in scientific calculations and some parts of video game physics. However, if you just need to calculate x+y that is also one instruction. For most real world calculations (and many other parts of games), how often you can calculate x+y and run an if statement based on the result is often more important. Going from AVX-256 to AVX-512 could double your theoretical maximum flops but have no effect on most workloads. But going from 4GHz to 4.4GHz will make all parts of the processor faster and give you about a 10% boost across the board (assuming you aren't limited by the speed of RAM, disk, GPU, etc.)","human_ref_B":"FLOPS depends on the workload you put on the processor, so it is a poorly defined term.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6387.0,"score_ratio":2.4444444444} +{"post_id":"brp6z8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why are processors rated (at least to consumers) in Hertz, rather than flops? As I understand it (not an EE), flops is the more important quantity, so it seems wonky at face value.","c_root_id_A":"eofu79r","c_root_id_B":"eog29fy","created_at_utc_A":1558543586,"created_at_utc_B":1558549182,"score_A":6,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"Because varying frequency is the easiest tuning knob of performance on a linear scale on the same processor (or at least, same architecture).","human_ref_B":"We usually talk about frequency and IPC, instructions per clock. They're both important, but IPC is hard to measure and is different for each program. Some programs' performance may be mostly limited by FLOPS, but usually RAM latency, cache latency, if statement speed, integer performance, and many other factors are just as important. Which is more important depends on the program. If you have 16 numbers and want to multiply them by 16 other numbers and add the products to 16 other numbers, you can do that in one instruction with AVX-512. This happens mostly in scientific calculations and some parts of video game physics. However, if you just need to calculate x+y that is also one instruction. For most real world calculations (and many other parts of games), how often you can calculate x+y and run an if statement based on the result is often more important. Going from AVX-256 to AVX-512 could double your theoretical maximum flops but have no effect on most workloads. But going from 4GHz to 4.4GHz will make all parts of the processor faster and give you about a 10% boost across the board (assuming you aren't limited by the speed of RAM, disk, GPU, etc.)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5596.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} +{"post_id":"brp6z8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why are processors rated (at least to consumers) in Hertz, rather than flops? As I understand it (not an EE), flops is the more important quantity, so it seems wonky at face value.","c_root_id_A":"eog29fy","c_root_id_B":"eofvvv0","created_at_utc_A":1558549182,"created_at_utc_B":1558544746,"score_A":22,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"We usually talk about frequency and IPC, instructions per clock. They're both important, but IPC is hard to measure and is different for each program. Some programs' performance may be mostly limited by FLOPS, but usually RAM latency, cache latency, if statement speed, integer performance, and many other factors are just as important. Which is more important depends on the program. If you have 16 numbers and want to multiply them by 16 other numbers and add the products to 16 other numbers, you can do that in one instruction with AVX-512. This happens mostly in scientific calculations and some parts of video game physics. However, if you just need to calculate x+y that is also one instruction. For most real world calculations (and many other parts of games), how often you can calculate x+y and run an if statement based on the result is often more important. Going from AVX-256 to AVX-512 could double your theoretical maximum flops but have no effect on most workloads. But going from 4GHz to 4.4GHz will make all parts of the processor faster and give you about a 10% boost across the board (assuming you aren't limited by the speed of RAM, disk, GPU, etc.)","human_ref_B":"Mostly because there isn\u2019t a universally correct way to measure flops. Also because for most things computers get used for integer math and branching performance matter more.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4436.0,"score_ratio":5.5} +{"post_id":"brp6z8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why are processors rated (at least to consumers) in Hertz, rather than flops? As I understand it (not an EE), flops is the more important quantity, so it seems wonky at face value.","c_root_id_A":"eog25a2","c_root_id_B":"eog29fy","created_at_utc_A":1558549103,"created_at_utc_B":1558549182,"score_A":2,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"The only true performance metric for computing systems is throughput, or analogously, time to complete program. `time = (num instr) * (clocks per instruction) * (seconds per clock)` This accounts for differences in ISA, compiler, microarchitecture, memory systems, workload etc. What actually matters most now in most domains is Performance per Watt, which is a proxy for energy efficiency Edit: I think people are misunderstanding my comment. Throughput, or programs per sec, is the only true performance metric and accounts for all system factors. The Iron Law of Performance lists all of these factors that influence throughput. The \u201ctime\u201d is for a given set of workloads, ISA and uarch.","human_ref_B":"We usually talk about frequency and IPC, instructions per clock. They're both important, but IPC is hard to measure and is different for each program. Some programs' performance may be mostly limited by FLOPS, but usually RAM latency, cache latency, if statement speed, integer performance, and many other factors are just as important. Which is more important depends on the program. If you have 16 numbers and want to multiply them by 16 other numbers and add the products to 16 other numbers, you can do that in one instruction with AVX-512. This happens mostly in scientific calculations and some parts of video game physics. However, if you just need to calculate x+y that is also one instruction. For most real world calculations (and many other parts of games), how often you can calculate x+y and run an if statement based on the result is often more important. Going from AVX-256 to AVX-512 could double your theoretical maximum flops but have no effect on most workloads. But going from 4GHz to 4.4GHz will make all parts of the processor faster and give you about a 10% boost across the board (assuming you aren't limited by the speed of RAM, disk, GPU, etc.)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":79.0,"score_ratio":11.0} +{"post_id":"brp6z8","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why are processors rated (at least to consumers) in Hertz, rather than flops? As I understand it (not an EE), flops is the more important quantity, so it seems wonky at face value.","c_root_id_A":"eog25a2","c_root_id_B":"eogbmuw","created_at_utc_A":1558549103,"created_at_utc_B":1558554675,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The only true performance metric for computing systems is throughput, or analogously, time to complete program. `time = (num instr) * (clocks per instruction) * (seconds per clock)` This accounts for differences in ISA, compiler, microarchitecture, memory systems, workload etc. What actually matters most now in most domains is Performance per Watt, which is a proxy for energy efficiency Edit: I think people are misunderstanding my comment. Throughput, or programs per sec, is the only true performance metric and accounts for all system factors. The Iron Law of Performance lists all of these factors that influence throughput. The \u201ctime\u201d is for a given set of workloads, ISA and uarch.","human_ref_B":"In the end, the only really good measure of how good a processor is is a benchmark that looks like the workload you're going to be using the processor for. Within a single family as when you're comparing to 8th generation Core processors or two Zen+ processors then frequency will give you a good indication of which one is better. But otherwise you might find that the 8th Gen core is better for video games and the Zen+ is better at video rendering and such in ways you would find hard to predict unless you were very familiar both with the exact details of the processor and the exact details of the application you're running.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5572.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"aufann","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why muffin trays aren't made using draw-forming by pressing metal against a die? I'm having a hard time understanding why a manufacturer would choose a complex process for such a simple thing as a muffin baking tray. As the pictures show, each of the cups have been formed separately and then welded on to the tray with holes punched in it. That's a multi-step process as opposed to just pressing the metal sheet against a die, just like aluminum cans are made? muffin tray bottom view muffin tray top view","c_root_id_A":"eh7s3u6","c_root_id_B":"eh7sdle","created_at_utc_A":1551058987,"created_at_utc_B":1551059217,"score_A":10,"score_B":135,"human_ref_A":"Seems related to conservation of material thickness and its effects on thermal gradients causing cooking or tray warping issues. Not sure though.","human_ref_B":"Muffin trays have 6 or 12 cups. By pressing them separately, the tool cost is much lower. One tool to pinch out cups. One tool to cut holes in the flat plate, and one to connect them. I think if you had to punch 12 cups all at once, that would be a much more costly process. And might produce a lot of failed punches. Leading to waste.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":230.0,"score_ratio":13.5} +{"post_id":"aufann","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why muffin trays aren't made using draw-forming by pressing metal against a die? I'm having a hard time understanding why a manufacturer would choose a complex process for such a simple thing as a muffin baking tray. As the pictures show, each of the cups have been formed separately and then welded on to the tray with holes punched in it. That's a multi-step process as opposed to just pressing the metal sheet against a die, just like aluminum cans are made? muffin tray bottom view muffin tray top view","c_root_id_A":"eh7s3u6","c_root_id_B":"eh7slg9","created_at_utc_A":1551058987,"created_at_utc_B":1551059400,"score_A":10,"score_B":61,"human_ref_A":"Seems related to conservation of material thickness and its effects on thermal gradients causing cooking or tray warping issues. Not sure though.","human_ref_B":"If you make the cups and tray separate, you can use the same cup line for multiple trays - 2x3, 3x6, etc. Other thing is if the tray and the cups are different thicknesses you need to use different thickness steel sheet to start (or if the coatings are different, or different grades - extra deep drawing steel is a different price compared to deep drawing, or deep drawing compared to [my company called it] tin can steel).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":413.0,"score_ratio":6.1} +{"post_id":"aufann","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why muffin trays aren't made using draw-forming by pressing metal against a die? I'm having a hard time understanding why a manufacturer would choose a complex process for such a simple thing as a muffin baking tray. As the pictures show, each of the cups have been formed separately and then welded on to the tray with holes punched in it. That's a multi-step process as opposed to just pressing the metal sheet against a die, just like aluminum cans are made? muffin tray bottom view muffin tray top view","c_root_id_A":"eh85oek","c_root_id_B":"eh8963l","created_at_utc_A":1551070941,"created_at_utc_B":1551074792,"score_A":3,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"My best guess would be maintain a more uniform material thickness. Not only would the cups be more thinner than the tray, individual cups could have different thicknesses depending on where they're located in the tray. The raw sheet metal stock for the tray might be 20 gauge (0.036\") and the the material for the cups 16 gauge (0.060\"). When the cup is drawn out (lets assume 2x) it would result in a similar thickness to the tray.","human_ref_B":"I have some that are pressed from one sheet and they fucking suck. Some of the muffins aren\u2019t done and some are burnt I don\u2019t know why. But the ones I have that are made in a multi step process are way better and give an even heating. You don\u2019t even need the paper cups for the ones I have they just pop right out without tearing","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3851.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} +{"post_id":"aufann","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why muffin trays aren't made using draw-forming by pressing metal against a die? I'm having a hard time understanding why a manufacturer would choose a complex process for such a simple thing as a muffin baking tray. As the pictures show, each of the cups have been formed separately and then welded on to the tray with holes punched in it. That's a multi-step process as opposed to just pressing the metal sheet against a die, just like aluminum cans are made? muffin tray bottom view muffin tray top view","c_root_id_A":"eh820rd","c_root_id_B":"eh8963l","created_at_utc_A":1551067467,"created_at_utc_B":1551074792,"score_A":3,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I suspect it wouldn\u2019t be possible to draw multiple cups out of a sheet- each cup distorts the sheet.","human_ref_B":"I have some that are pressed from one sheet and they fucking suck. Some of the muffins aren\u2019t done and some are burnt I don\u2019t know why. But the ones I have that are made in a multi step process are way better and give an even heating. You don\u2019t even need the paper cups for the ones I have they just pop right out without tearing","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7325.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} +{"post_id":"aufann","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why muffin trays aren't made using draw-forming by pressing metal against a die? I'm having a hard time understanding why a manufacturer would choose a complex process for such a simple thing as a muffin baking tray. As the pictures show, each of the cups have been formed separately and then welded on to the tray with holes punched in it. That's a multi-step process as opposed to just pressing the metal sheet against a die, just like aluminum cans are made? muffin tray bottom view muffin tray top view","c_root_id_A":"eh8963l","c_root_id_B":"eh7sqf3","created_at_utc_A":1551074792,"created_at_utc_B":1551059520,"score_A":10,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I have some that are pressed from one sheet and they fucking suck. Some of the muffins aren\u2019t done and some are burnt I don\u2019t know why. But the ones I have that are made in a multi step process are way better and give an even heating. You don\u2019t even need the paper cups for the ones I have they just pop right out without tearing","human_ref_B":"Could be that the cups are double walled to keep the inside surface from getting too hot.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15272.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"aufann","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why muffin trays aren't made using draw-forming by pressing metal against a die? I'm having a hard time understanding why a manufacturer would choose a complex process for such a simple thing as a muffin baking tray. As the pictures show, each of the cups have been formed separately and then welded on to the tray with holes punched in it. That's a multi-step process as opposed to just pressing the metal sheet against a die, just like aluminum cans are made? muffin tray bottom view muffin tray top view","c_root_id_A":"eh80n15","c_root_id_B":"eh8963l","created_at_utc_A":1551066237,"created_at_utc_B":1551074792,"score_A":2,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I don't se any welds.","human_ref_B":"I have some that are pressed from one sheet and they fucking suck. Some of the muffins aren\u2019t done and some are burnt I don\u2019t know why. But the ones I have that are made in a multi step process are way better and give an even heating. You don\u2019t even need the paper cups for the ones I have they just pop right out without tearing","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8555.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"aufann","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why muffin trays aren't made using draw-forming by pressing metal against a die? I'm having a hard time understanding why a manufacturer would choose a complex process for such a simple thing as a muffin baking tray. As the pictures show, each of the cups have been formed separately and then welded on to the tray with holes punched in it. That's a multi-step process as opposed to just pressing the metal sheet against a die, just like aluminum cans are made? muffin tray bottom view muffin tray top view","c_root_id_A":"eh8bic3","c_root_id_B":"eh85oek","created_at_utc_A":1551077766,"created_at_utc_B":1551070941,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I think most of those cupcake trays are steel instead of aluminum, so drawing that much material down might be an issue. Also I don't think you could reasonably draw down 6 or 12 cups without causing tearing issues between the cups. They probably have just one die stamping out singular cups, another stamping out the flat piece with all the whole, and the last piece that crimps them together. I don't think they are actually welded together at all. Even if you could stamp the tray in one shot, there are probably maintenance advantages to having the cup part stamped separately. In the end, it's probably just easier to have a 3 step process with rather simple steps than one with far a more complicated die.","human_ref_B":"My best guess would be maintain a more uniform material thickness. Not only would the cups be more thinner than the tray, individual cups could have different thicknesses depending on where they're located in the tray. The raw sheet metal stock for the tray might be 20 gauge (0.036\") and the the material for the cups 16 gauge (0.060\"). When the cup is drawn out (lets assume 2x) it would result in a similar thickness to the tray.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6825.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"aufann","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why muffin trays aren't made using draw-forming by pressing metal against a die? I'm having a hard time understanding why a manufacturer would choose a complex process for such a simple thing as a muffin baking tray. As the pictures show, each of the cups have been formed separately and then welded on to the tray with holes punched in it. That's a multi-step process as opposed to just pressing the metal sheet against a die, just like aluminum cans are made? muffin tray bottom view muffin tray top view","c_root_id_A":"eh8bic3","c_root_id_B":"eh820rd","created_at_utc_A":1551077766,"created_at_utc_B":1551067467,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I think most of those cupcake trays are steel instead of aluminum, so drawing that much material down might be an issue. Also I don't think you could reasonably draw down 6 or 12 cups without causing tearing issues between the cups. They probably have just one die stamping out singular cups, another stamping out the flat piece with all the whole, and the last piece that crimps them together. I don't think they are actually welded together at all. Even if you could stamp the tray in one shot, there are probably maintenance advantages to having the cup part stamped separately. In the end, it's probably just easier to have a 3 step process with rather simple steps than one with far a more complicated die.","human_ref_B":"I suspect it wouldn\u2019t be possible to draw multiple cups out of a sheet- each cup distorts the sheet.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10299.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"aufann","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why muffin trays aren't made using draw-forming by pressing metal against a die? I'm having a hard time understanding why a manufacturer would choose a complex process for such a simple thing as a muffin baking tray. As the pictures show, each of the cups have been formed separately and then welded on to the tray with holes punched in it. That's a multi-step process as opposed to just pressing the metal sheet against a die, just like aluminum cans are made? muffin tray bottom view muffin tray top view","c_root_id_A":"eh7sqf3","c_root_id_B":"eh8bic3","created_at_utc_A":1551059520,"created_at_utc_B":1551077766,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Could be that the cups are double walled to keep the inside surface from getting too hot.","human_ref_B":"I think most of those cupcake trays are steel instead of aluminum, so drawing that much material down might be an issue. Also I don't think you could reasonably draw down 6 or 12 cups without causing tearing issues between the cups. They probably have just one die stamping out singular cups, another stamping out the flat piece with all the whole, and the last piece that crimps them together. I don't think they are actually welded together at all. Even if you could stamp the tray in one shot, there are probably maintenance advantages to having the cup part stamped separately. In the end, it's probably just easier to have a 3 step process with rather simple steps than one with far a more complicated die.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18246.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"aufann","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why muffin trays aren't made using draw-forming by pressing metal against a die? I'm having a hard time understanding why a manufacturer would choose a complex process for such a simple thing as a muffin baking tray. As the pictures show, each of the cups have been formed separately and then welded on to the tray with holes punched in it. That's a multi-step process as opposed to just pressing the metal sheet against a die, just like aluminum cans are made? muffin tray bottom view muffin tray top view","c_root_id_A":"eh80n15","c_root_id_B":"eh8bic3","created_at_utc_A":1551066237,"created_at_utc_B":1551077766,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I don't se any welds.","human_ref_B":"I think most of those cupcake trays are steel instead of aluminum, so drawing that much material down might be an issue. Also I don't think you could reasonably draw down 6 or 12 cups without causing tearing issues between the cups. They probably have just one die stamping out singular cups, another stamping out the flat piece with all the whole, and the last piece that crimps them together. I don't think they are actually welded together at all. Even if you could stamp the tray in one shot, there are probably maintenance advantages to having the cup part stamped separately. In the end, it's probably just easier to have a 3 step process with rather simple steps than one with far a more complicated die.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11529.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"aufann","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why muffin trays aren't made using draw-forming by pressing metal against a die? I'm having a hard time understanding why a manufacturer would choose a complex process for such a simple thing as a muffin baking tray. As the pictures show, each of the cups have been formed separately and then welded on to the tray with holes punched in it. That's a multi-step process as opposed to just pressing the metal sheet against a die, just like aluminum cans are made? muffin tray bottom view muffin tray top view","c_root_id_A":"eh85oek","c_root_id_B":"eh7sqf3","created_at_utc_A":1551070941,"created_at_utc_B":1551059520,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My best guess would be maintain a more uniform material thickness. Not only would the cups be more thinner than the tray, individual cups could have different thicknesses depending on where they're located in the tray. The raw sheet metal stock for the tray might be 20 gauge (0.036\") and the the material for the cups 16 gauge (0.060\"). When the cup is drawn out (lets assume 2x) it would result in a similar thickness to the tray.","human_ref_B":"Could be that the cups are double walled to keep the inside surface from getting too hot.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11421.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"aufann","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why muffin trays aren't made using draw-forming by pressing metal against a die? I'm having a hard time understanding why a manufacturer would choose a complex process for such a simple thing as a muffin baking tray. As the pictures show, each of the cups have been formed separately and then welded on to the tray with holes punched in it. That's a multi-step process as opposed to just pressing the metal sheet against a die, just like aluminum cans are made? muffin tray bottom view muffin tray top view","c_root_id_A":"eh80n15","c_root_id_B":"eh85oek","created_at_utc_A":1551066237,"created_at_utc_B":1551070941,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I don't se any welds.","human_ref_B":"My best guess would be maintain a more uniform material thickness. Not only would the cups be more thinner than the tray, individual cups could have different thicknesses depending on where they're located in the tray. The raw sheet metal stock for the tray might be 20 gauge (0.036\") and the the material for the cups 16 gauge (0.060\"). When the cup is drawn out (lets assume 2x) it would result in a similar thickness to the tray.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4704.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"aufann","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why muffin trays aren't made using draw-forming by pressing metal against a die? I'm having a hard time understanding why a manufacturer would choose a complex process for such a simple thing as a muffin baking tray. As the pictures show, each of the cups have been formed separately and then welded on to the tray with holes punched in it. That's a multi-step process as opposed to just pressing the metal sheet against a die, just like aluminum cans are made? muffin tray bottom view muffin tray top view","c_root_id_A":"eh820rd","c_root_id_B":"eh7sqf3","created_at_utc_A":1551067467,"created_at_utc_B":1551059520,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I suspect it wouldn\u2019t be possible to draw multiple cups out of a sheet- each cup distorts the sheet.","human_ref_B":"Could be that the cups are double walled to keep the inside surface from getting too hot.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7947.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"aufann","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why muffin trays aren't made using draw-forming by pressing metal against a die? I'm having a hard time understanding why a manufacturer would choose a complex process for such a simple thing as a muffin baking tray. As the pictures show, each of the cups have been formed separately and then welded on to the tray with holes punched in it. That's a multi-step process as opposed to just pressing the metal sheet against a die, just like aluminum cans are made? muffin tray bottom view muffin tray top view","c_root_id_A":"eh80n15","c_root_id_B":"eh820rd","created_at_utc_A":1551066237,"created_at_utc_B":1551067467,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I don't se any welds.","human_ref_B":"I suspect it wouldn\u2019t be possible to draw multiple cups out of a sheet- each cup distorts the sheet.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1230.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"29nhe5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Online Six Sigma training? Is it worth anything? Background: I'm looking to switch career focus due to a desire to relocate, and many of the jobs I'm looking into have a requirement\/desire for formal Six Sigma \/ Lean training. I have experience with a very similar process, and training in that, but no formal certifications they would recognize. Is it worth doing an online Green Belt training ( i.e., http:\/\/www.goleansixsigma.com\/online-lean-six-sigma-green-belt-training\/ )? Do companies recognize those as valid? Are there any better options? Thanks for any insight.","c_root_id_A":"cimmry1","c_root_id_B":"cimmva7","created_at_utc_A":1404312193,"created_at_utc_B":1404312398,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"In my experience, six sigma is only beneficial to certain industries. A good way to tell is go to job websites and search for six sigma in the descriptions.","human_ref_B":"Medical industries like the generic green belt training programs from what I've noticed. Companies like GE and United Technologies have their own quality programs that they will train you in or expect you to be trained in.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":205.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"29nhe5","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Online Six Sigma training? Is it worth anything? Background: I'm looking to switch career focus due to a desire to relocate, and many of the jobs I'm looking into have a requirement\/desire for formal Six Sigma \/ Lean training. I have experience with a very similar process, and training in that, but no formal certifications they would recognize. Is it worth doing an online Green Belt training ( i.e., http:\/\/www.goleansixsigma.com\/online-lean-six-sigma-green-belt-training\/ )? Do companies recognize those as valid? Are there any better options? Thanks for any insight.","c_root_id_A":"cimmry1","c_root_id_B":"cimp1e4","created_at_utc_A":1404312193,"created_at_utc_B":1404316897,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"In my experience, six sigma is only beneficial to certain industries. A good way to tell is go to job websites and search for six sigma in the descriptions.","human_ref_B":"No. At least not towards actually increasing the quality of a product. Six Sigma is snake oil. It pretends to be a body of knowledge, a coherent system of practice, but it is really a hodgepodge of ad hoc techniques, some which have some utility, but many which are counterproductive (except to make more work for consultants and experts).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4704.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"b9nnx6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do you keep track of the decision logic behind design choices when making parts in CAD? My job involves making lots of one off designs, with really short turn around times. Often I will go from initial problem to delivered\/installed component in under 3 weeks. I've been doing mechanical engineering for 5 years now, and have a competent understanding of how to make parts that solve a problem for the least cost, least complexity, and within the appropriate spec. My style is that I do most of my work 100% in CAD, and usually top down modeling so I can address ease of installation, interferences, and other stuff right from the first concept. This often results in me making informed design decisions without leaving any real trail of why\/how I came to the final design. When it comes time to do design reviews, I can usually remember the justification for at least 80% of the weird\/difficult to make features. The other 20% usually get removed because, even though I put the features there for a reason, I can't remember that reason, so I'm easily convinced that it's not important any more, and can be removed. This has come back to bite me several times (especially in the last few months), and I'd like to reduce it's occurance. This brings me to my title question of how do you keep track of the specific circumstances that lead to unconventional, or non-obvious design choices? Also, how do you go about identifying which design choices are likely to need thorough justification?","c_root_id_A":"ek5zku2","c_root_id_B":"ek5ujo7","created_at_utc_A":1554458004,"created_at_utc_B":1554449482,"score_A":16,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Rename features\/components in the feature tree (or whatever your software calls it.) Rather than having Extrude1, Hole2, etc., rename critical stuff - slide mount dowels, alignment feature, oil trough, shroud groove, whatever works for you. Quick, easy, and stays with the model. I've gotten into the habit of creating a design notebook in a word processor that stays open all day, and hopefully gets updated occasionally, but I don't always do a great job with that.","human_ref_B":"For simple parts the approach is simple. Most of the times I just repeat modeling a part because my speed is good. That helps me understanding the best way. It's like revisions. For difficult parts, I start from biggest feature first and then make my way to small details. Small details are easy to edit and don't cause the big features to interrupt. I use top modeling nearly all the time, because my work involved a lot of references between external and internal parts.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8522.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333} +{"post_id":"b9nnx6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do you keep track of the decision logic behind design choices when making parts in CAD? My job involves making lots of one off designs, with really short turn around times. Often I will go from initial problem to delivered\/installed component in under 3 weeks. I've been doing mechanical engineering for 5 years now, and have a competent understanding of how to make parts that solve a problem for the least cost, least complexity, and within the appropriate spec. My style is that I do most of my work 100% in CAD, and usually top down modeling so I can address ease of installation, interferences, and other stuff right from the first concept. This often results in me making informed design decisions without leaving any real trail of why\/how I came to the final design. When it comes time to do design reviews, I can usually remember the justification for at least 80% of the weird\/difficult to make features. The other 20% usually get removed because, even though I put the features there for a reason, I can't remember that reason, so I'm easily convinced that it's not important any more, and can be removed. This has come back to bite me several times (especially in the last few months), and I'd like to reduce it's occurance. This brings me to my title question of how do you keep track of the specific circumstances that lead to unconventional, or non-obvious design choices? Also, how do you go about identifying which design choices are likely to need thorough justification?","c_root_id_A":"ek5zku2","c_root_id_B":"ek5t0c8","created_at_utc_A":1554458004,"created_at_utc_B":1554447190,"score_A":16,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Rename features\/components in the feature tree (or whatever your software calls it.) Rather than having Extrude1, Hole2, etc., rename critical stuff - slide mount dowels, alignment feature, oil trough, shroud groove, whatever works for you. Quick, easy, and stays with the model. I've gotten into the habit of creating a design notebook in a word processor that stays open all day, and hopefully gets updated occasionally, but I don't always do a great job with that.","human_ref_B":"Even with such short turnarounds I do a short brainstorming phase where I find 3 to 5 solutions for each problem. Then I find out the best one for each, here is where you can put down a few notes on why you did what, and then take the combination of the best ones.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10814.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333} +{"post_id":"b9nnx6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do you keep track of the decision logic behind design choices when making parts in CAD? My job involves making lots of one off designs, with really short turn around times. Often I will go from initial problem to delivered\/installed component in under 3 weeks. I've been doing mechanical engineering for 5 years now, and have a competent understanding of how to make parts that solve a problem for the least cost, least complexity, and within the appropriate spec. My style is that I do most of my work 100% in CAD, and usually top down modeling so I can address ease of installation, interferences, and other stuff right from the first concept. This often results in me making informed design decisions without leaving any real trail of why\/how I came to the final design. When it comes time to do design reviews, I can usually remember the justification for at least 80% of the weird\/difficult to make features. The other 20% usually get removed because, even though I put the features there for a reason, I can't remember that reason, so I'm easily convinced that it's not important any more, and can be removed. This has come back to bite me several times (especially in the last few months), and I'd like to reduce it's occurance. This brings me to my title question of how do you keep track of the specific circumstances that lead to unconventional, or non-obvious design choices? Also, how do you go about identifying which design choices are likely to need thorough justification?","c_root_id_A":"ek5ujo7","c_root_id_B":"ek64056","created_at_utc_A":1554449482,"created_at_utc_B":1554464236,"score_A":3,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"For simple parts the approach is simple. Most of the times I just repeat modeling a part because my speed is good. That helps me understanding the best way. It's like revisions. For difficult parts, I start from biggest feature first and then make my way to small details. Small details are easy to edit and don't cause the big features to interrupt. I use top modeling nearly all the time, because my work involved a lot of references between external and internal parts.","human_ref_B":"Renaming parts\/features helps. Solidworks allows you to attach comments to any feature, part or subassembly. This helps even more when other people need to work with the model.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14754.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} +{"post_id":"b9nnx6","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do you keep track of the decision logic behind design choices when making parts in CAD? My job involves making lots of one off designs, with really short turn around times. Often I will go from initial problem to delivered\/installed component in under 3 weeks. I've been doing mechanical engineering for 5 years now, and have a competent understanding of how to make parts that solve a problem for the least cost, least complexity, and within the appropriate spec. My style is that I do most of my work 100% in CAD, and usually top down modeling so I can address ease of installation, interferences, and other stuff right from the first concept. This often results in me making informed design decisions without leaving any real trail of why\/how I came to the final design. When it comes time to do design reviews, I can usually remember the justification for at least 80% of the weird\/difficult to make features. The other 20% usually get removed because, even though I put the features there for a reason, I can't remember that reason, so I'm easily convinced that it's not important any more, and can be removed. This has come back to bite me several times (especially in the last few months), and I'd like to reduce it's occurance. This brings me to my title question of how do you keep track of the specific circumstances that lead to unconventional, or non-obvious design choices? Also, how do you go about identifying which design choices are likely to need thorough justification?","c_root_id_A":"ek64056","c_root_id_B":"ek5t0c8","created_at_utc_A":1554464236,"created_at_utc_B":1554447190,"score_A":11,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Renaming parts\/features helps. Solidworks allows you to attach comments to any feature, part or subassembly. This helps even more when other people need to work with the model.","human_ref_B":"Even with such short turnarounds I do a short brainstorming phase where I find 3 to 5 solutions for each problem. Then I find out the best one for each, here is where you can put down a few notes on why you did what, and then take the combination of the best ones.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17046.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} +{"post_id":"gbq0dv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Mech Eng: Recent examples of ethical failures\/accidents\/disasters? Hello all-- I'm a college professor teaching second year mechanical engineers about ethics. Looking for relatively recent (past 10 years) examples of mechanical engineering ethical failures\/accidents\/disasters. If you have links to news articles, they'd be much appreciated. Do it for the children!","c_root_id_A":"fp7arrt","c_root_id_B":"fp7e8zl","created_at_utc_A":1588367131,"created_at_utc_B":1588368984,"score_A":2,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I'm sure you probably have heard of National Geographic's Mayday (aka. Air Crash Investigation). The documentary uncovers the truth behind the most legendary aviation disasters related to mechanical\/avionics failure and pilot error. Each episode shows captivating re-enactments using CGI.","human_ref_B":"Deepwater horizon","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1853.0,"score_ratio":6.0} +{"post_id":"gbq0dv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Mech Eng: Recent examples of ethical failures\/accidents\/disasters? Hello all-- I'm a college professor teaching second year mechanical engineers about ethics. Looking for relatively recent (past 10 years) examples of mechanical engineering ethical failures\/accidents\/disasters. If you have links to news articles, they'd be much appreciated. Do it for the children!","c_root_id_A":"fp7arrt","c_root_id_B":"fp83uzy","created_at_utc_A":1588367131,"created_at_utc_B":1588382644,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I'm sure you probably have heard of National Geographic's Mayday (aka. Air Crash Investigation). The documentary uncovers the truth behind the most legendary aviation disasters related to mechanical\/avionics failure and pilot error. Each episode shows captivating re-enactments using CGI.","human_ref_B":"Dominic Gates of the Seattle Times has been doing a great job of covering the 737 MAX saga. He's written a ton of articles, and I feel he does a good job of getting down to the nuts-and-bolts of issues. You can review his coverage at seattletimes.com This article (summary below) seems like a good example. Many of the folks identified in the article are on Linkedin (some still with Boeing, some not), so you could probably reach out to them if you really wanted to. *Seven weeks after the second fatal crash of a 737 MAX in March, a Boeing engineer submitted a scathing internal ethics complaint alleging that management\u00a0\u2014 determined to keep down costs for airline customers\u00a0\u2014 had blocked significant safety improvements during the jet\u2019s development.* *The ethics charge, filed by 33-year-old engineer Curtis Ewbank, whose job involved studying past crashes and using that information to make new planes safer, describes how around 2014 his group presented to managers and senior executives a proposal to add various safety upgrades to the MAX.* *The complaint, a copy of which was reviewed by The Seattle Times, suggests that one of the proposed systems could have potentially prevented the crashes in Indonesia and Ethiopia that killed 346 people. Three of Ewbank\u2019s former colleagues interviewed for this story concurred.*","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15513.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"76dzwu","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What would be the best way to extract energy from an infinite torque(?) device? Inspired by something in the Discworld book THUD! by Terry Pratchett. If you had an indestructible device that magically rotated steadily and unstoppably, what would be the best way to get energy from it? Picture a 1-inch cube split in half, where the two halves rotate with respect to each other at, say, 12 rpm (so once per 5 seconds). Obviously there's potentially infinite energy to be extracted, but is there a way to actually do that? Whatever other materials your energy extraction device uses are not indestructible.","c_root_id_A":"dod8vgt","c_root_id_B":"dod8wcv","created_at_utc_A":1508008769,"created_at_utc_B":1508008802,"score_A":2,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"good old dynamo principle? if the two halves rotate constantly regardless of the load\/torque applied, than build a cog as huge as possible and extract as much linear velocity from the given angular velocity as possible. with a simple gear mechanism, the only limitation is the stability of the materials you use. on the other hand, why would you need energy if you have magic...","human_ref_B":"By limiting the dimensions of the cube you have limited the available torque, for practical materials. One inch bar steel max 36 kpsi. You gotta multiply by the moment of the cross section or something but I can bend a one inch steel bar by hand with only a 2 ft extension so that's only max 400ft\/lbs of torque that you could drive into a bar of that size without deforming. More with some clever design of a square socket into a larger wheel. More again for stronger material. But there you still quickly reach and upper limit. Just saying you specified too many parameters. The energy you extract is proportional to the vector product of the torque and the angular velocity. ( More exact it's the integral of the torque displacement curve or some such thing. ) Since both are limited, your energy is limited and thus you have no where near infinite energy.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":33.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"tla3lx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"From civil to software engineer I\u2019m a [27F] civil engineer and I have been practicing for about 5 years. I\u2019m specialized in construction and infrastructure utilities which are in demand skills and I actually enjoy the work I do. I make about 80k$. However, the income in my field tend to cap at about 140k$ max. I live in Canada. However, I always liked coding and actually really enjoyed the classes where we had to do programming. Since it\u2019s highly in demand, I\u2019m thinking about making the switch to software and IT. I love learning new things, I\u2019m young and have no kids. There is a one year program taught at the university where I graduated and I\u2019m thinking about doing it to ease my transition. I\u2019m thinking that if I land job doing 200k$-300k$ I could easily retire by 50. Do you think it\u2019s worth it ? Will the time and money be worth doing that ?","c_root_id_A":"i1ubzxt","c_root_id_B":"i1u9i7k","created_at_utc_A":1648067118,"created_at_utc_B":1648066166,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Software developers are very much in high demand. However, you'd have to be OK starting again at entry level - not sure what those rates are in Canada. If your ultimate goal is to retire by 50, I'd say you need to talk to a financial planner to factor in career growth, inflation, cost of living, retirement contributions, etc. to know if and when you can meet that. Can you hit $200k-300k? It's definitely possible. However, like everything else it is a bell curve. Aggregated salary data (for U.S. at least) puts senior developers (10-15yrs XP) anywhere from $120k-$160k, depending on which site and data you look at. Compensation will also vary by qualifications, specialization, industry, company, geography, and it can vary quite a bit. If you figure you'll end up in the top 20% or 10% in these categories, you can certainly hit the $200k mark eventually. However, intuition tells me a 5yr Civil with a 1yr CS certification (not degree?) will be hard-pressed to be competitive enough to land in the top 20% or 10% of candidates, at least starting out. Not trying to rain on your parade or dissuade you from pursuing it, just want to give you some perspective on the software landscape. Yes, there are lots of jobs, and many high-paying by national standards, but also lots of applicants. It is not uncommon to hear of 100-200 applications for a handful of interviews and 1-2 offers. I wouldn't base your career change on your plans to retire by 50. Reaching $200k might take you 5 years, or 15 years. Just make sure you enjoy programming enough that you'll be OK with either outcome. And never, ever, lump software in with IT! : )","human_ref_B":"Do it. You are right. Civils will Max out much sooner than IT","labels":1,"seconds_difference":952.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"tla3lx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"From civil to software engineer I\u2019m a [27F] civil engineer and I have been practicing for about 5 years. I\u2019m specialized in construction and infrastructure utilities which are in demand skills and I actually enjoy the work I do. I make about 80k$. However, the income in my field tend to cap at about 140k$ max. I live in Canada. However, I always liked coding and actually really enjoyed the classes where we had to do programming. Since it\u2019s highly in demand, I\u2019m thinking about making the switch to software and IT. I love learning new things, I\u2019m young and have no kids. There is a one year program taught at the university where I graduated and I\u2019m thinking about doing it to ease my transition. I\u2019m thinking that if I land job doing 200k$-300k$ I could easily retire by 50. Do you think it\u2019s worth it ? Will the time and money be worth doing that ?","c_root_id_A":"i1ujf4i","c_root_id_B":"i1u9i7k","created_at_utc_A":1648069964,"created_at_utc_B":1648066166,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Verify coding salaries in Canada. There was a thread in some other sub the other day where it sounded like pretty much only US companies are paying the $200-300k salaries.","human_ref_B":"Do it. You are right. Civils will Max out much sooner than IT","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3798.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"tla3lx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"From civil to software engineer I\u2019m a [27F] civil engineer and I have been practicing for about 5 years. I\u2019m specialized in construction and infrastructure utilities which are in demand skills and I actually enjoy the work I do. I make about 80k$. However, the income in my field tend to cap at about 140k$ max. I live in Canada. However, I always liked coding and actually really enjoyed the classes where we had to do programming. Since it\u2019s highly in demand, I\u2019m thinking about making the switch to software and IT. I love learning new things, I\u2019m young and have no kids. There is a one year program taught at the university where I graduated and I\u2019m thinking about doing it to ease my transition. I\u2019m thinking that if I land job doing 200k$-300k$ I could easily retire by 50. Do you think it\u2019s worth it ? Will the time and money be worth doing that ?","c_root_id_A":"i1u9i7k","c_root_id_B":"i1un8j3","created_at_utc_A":1648066166,"created_at_utc_B":1648071478,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Do it. You are right. Civils will Max out much sooner than IT","human_ref_B":"You have to keep in mind these 300k salaries you\u2019re seeing are in exorbitantly expensive areas. You could live the exact same means on a senior civil salary in not LA, for example.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5312.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"7d23r1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Depressed Mechanical Engineer here thinking of switching careers to game\/software dev. Hit me with your best advise! help needed! f1 f1 Hey guys, I am a mechanical engineer (graduated in 2015) from a pretty well known school, University of Washington. I worked in aerospace for a while and currently in automotive and I am extremely unsatisfied and slowly dying from the inside from not following my life long passion of coding either software or game dev. I started as a CS student and LOVED my fundamental of CS and java classes! Unfortunately switched my major to ME and went with it which is the biggest regret of my life that I feel it every morning I wake up. I'm at a point (age 28) that its really getting in to me and really want to learn to code, build a portfolio and switch careers even if it comes with a paycut to become a junior software dev. I've been researching a LOT about coding boot camps and attended to a couple orientations, seems like they are mostly heavily web dev focused and also not all are very cheap! I am thinking of starting Coding Dojo, what are your thoughts on that? (FYI I signed up for cs50 already and I am loving it!) tldr; Dear fellow redditors please give me your best advises for my situation, either its a book or series of them, lectures online or taking a bootcamp? getting a second bachelor degree or finding an online masters degree?","c_root_id_A":"dpujwtb","c_root_id_B":"dpui69s","created_at_utc_A":1510732832,"created_at_utc_B":1510729080,"score_A":20,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Commenting here so that I remember to comment more later. (Or maybe you should just PM me.) I was in the game industry for several years and went back to school for aerospace engineering, so I'm sure I have a lot of advice I could give you.","human_ref_B":"I'm about to finish my MS in CS and got my undergrad in ME in 2012. I got a job in the CS field 9 months ago despite not being done with my degree and it's been pretty awesome. Just remember that CS is to programming the same way drafting is to engineering. The employment market is not amazing and difficult. Since CS projects don't usually involve capital infrastructure unlike most ME projects, your will have to put effort in standing out by having some projects in GitHub or but bucket or whatever.. I'm not targeting the gaming industry so can't help you there, but I know traditionally they've been tough to work for (see spouses of EA developers lawsuit), but the industry culture could have changed since. Best of luck should you decide to make the transition.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3752.0,"score_ratio":2.2222222222} +{"post_id":"7d23r1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Depressed Mechanical Engineer here thinking of switching careers to game\/software dev. Hit me with your best advise! help needed! f1 f1 Hey guys, I am a mechanical engineer (graduated in 2015) from a pretty well known school, University of Washington. I worked in aerospace for a while and currently in automotive and I am extremely unsatisfied and slowly dying from the inside from not following my life long passion of coding either software or game dev. I started as a CS student and LOVED my fundamental of CS and java classes! Unfortunately switched my major to ME and went with it which is the biggest regret of my life that I feel it every morning I wake up. I'm at a point (age 28) that its really getting in to me and really want to learn to code, build a portfolio and switch careers even if it comes with a paycut to become a junior software dev. I've been researching a LOT about coding boot camps and attended to a couple orientations, seems like they are mostly heavily web dev focused and also not all are very cheap! I am thinking of starting Coding Dojo, what are your thoughts on that? (FYI I signed up for cs50 already and I am loving it!) tldr; Dear fellow redditors please give me your best advises for my situation, either its a book or series of them, lectures online or taking a bootcamp? getting a second bachelor degree or finding an online masters degree?","c_root_id_A":"dpuyobi","c_root_id_B":"dpui69s","created_at_utc_A":1510759577,"created_at_utc_B":1510729080,"score_A":15,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Like people who want to be writers or actors, do it in your free time until you have something worth people's time. You have to pay the bills so don't quit your job, but take MOOCs and learn as much as you can in your free time. There are a lot of people who don't get much satisfaction from their work, but they do it anyway and then really live on the weekends. Write your own Android app game or start working on a small PC game. Do it until you are good enough to get people to play your game. Learn an engine, learn the tools, get really good. I would guess one of three things would happen, you lose steam and realize it's not fun, you love it and it turns into a super fun hobby, you love it, get really good at it and either write your own game that people actually buy and you can make some money at it or you end up applying for and getting a good game development job or you end up doing something completely different using your coding and ME skills. I'm an ME and self taught programmer which now writes software and designs parts for deep sea robots. I taught myself to program while I worked as an ME and now use both.","human_ref_B":"I'm about to finish my MS in CS and got my undergrad in ME in 2012. I got a job in the CS field 9 months ago despite not being done with my degree and it's been pretty awesome. Just remember that CS is to programming the same way drafting is to engineering. The employment market is not amazing and difficult. Since CS projects don't usually involve capital infrastructure unlike most ME projects, your will have to put effort in standing out by having some projects in GitHub or but bucket or whatever.. I'm not targeting the gaming industry so can't help you there, but I know traditionally they've been tough to work for (see spouses of EA developers lawsuit), but the industry culture could have changed since. Best of luck should you decide to make the transition.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":30497.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"7d23r1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Depressed Mechanical Engineer here thinking of switching careers to game\/software dev. Hit me with your best advise! help needed! f1 f1 Hey guys, I am a mechanical engineer (graduated in 2015) from a pretty well known school, University of Washington. I worked in aerospace for a while and currently in automotive and I am extremely unsatisfied and slowly dying from the inside from not following my life long passion of coding either software or game dev. I started as a CS student and LOVED my fundamental of CS and java classes! Unfortunately switched my major to ME and went with it which is the biggest regret of my life that I feel it every morning I wake up. I'm at a point (age 28) that its really getting in to me and really want to learn to code, build a portfolio and switch careers even if it comes with a paycut to become a junior software dev. I've been researching a LOT about coding boot camps and attended to a couple orientations, seems like they are mostly heavily web dev focused and also not all are very cheap! I am thinking of starting Coding Dojo, what are your thoughts on that? (FYI I signed up for cs50 already and I am loving it!) tldr; Dear fellow redditors please give me your best advises for my situation, either its a book or series of them, lectures online or taking a bootcamp? getting a second bachelor degree or finding an online masters degree?","c_root_id_A":"dpuvj62","c_root_id_B":"dpuyobi","created_at_utc_A":1510756156,"created_at_utc_B":1510759577,"score_A":5,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Why are you feeling unsatisfied with having worked in aerospace and automotive? Am a Mechanical Engineer myself working in oil and gas industry and safe to say, things over here are a lot worse!","human_ref_B":"Like people who want to be writers or actors, do it in your free time until you have something worth people's time. You have to pay the bills so don't quit your job, but take MOOCs and learn as much as you can in your free time. There are a lot of people who don't get much satisfaction from their work, but they do it anyway and then really live on the weekends. Write your own Android app game or start working on a small PC game. Do it until you are good enough to get people to play your game. Learn an engine, learn the tools, get really good. I would guess one of three things would happen, you lose steam and realize it's not fun, you love it and it turns into a super fun hobby, you love it, get really good at it and either write your own game that people actually buy and you can make some money at it or you end up applying for and getting a good game development job or you end up doing something completely different using your coding and ME skills. I'm an ME and self taught programmer which now writes software and designs parts for deep sea robots. I taught myself to program while I worked as an ME and now use both.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3421.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"7d23r1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Depressed Mechanical Engineer here thinking of switching careers to game\/software dev. Hit me with your best advise! help needed! f1 f1 Hey guys, I am a mechanical engineer (graduated in 2015) from a pretty well known school, University of Washington. I worked in aerospace for a while and currently in automotive and I am extremely unsatisfied and slowly dying from the inside from not following my life long passion of coding either software or game dev. I started as a CS student and LOVED my fundamental of CS and java classes! Unfortunately switched my major to ME and went with it which is the biggest regret of my life that I feel it every morning I wake up. I'm at a point (age 28) that its really getting in to me and really want to learn to code, build a portfolio and switch careers even if it comes with a paycut to become a junior software dev. I've been researching a LOT about coding boot camps and attended to a couple orientations, seems like they are mostly heavily web dev focused and also not all are very cheap! I am thinking of starting Coding Dojo, what are your thoughts on that? (FYI I signed up for cs50 already and I am loving it!) tldr; Dear fellow redditors please give me your best advises for my situation, either its a book or series of them, lectures online or taking a bootcamp? getting a second bachelor degree or finding an online masters degree?","c_root_id_A":"dpuyvyk","c_root_id_B":"dpuzd4n","created_at_utc_A":1510759792,"created_at_utc_B":1510760277,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"It sounds like you know the basics already, the people the boot camps target often are starting with less than that. I'd guess you'd either be bored for a month or just about be the only one in a boot camp class really following along. I'd suggest online video courses (free or cheap) or just random free tutorials personally. If you are interested enough to stick to that enough that you'd be able to understand and accomplish most hackerrank or codefights questions, then you're ready to start looking for a job. I would stress finding a company with a great learning structure, lots of cooperation, collaboration, pairing, everyone involved in discussions not just being handed tasks to implement. 1. see if you keep this interest with cheap\/free things 1. use gamified coding exercises as motivation and goal posts 1. get in the door and have a whole company of mentors and peers to learn from, be encouraged by them Since you have a fairly technical degree already (good math reasoning and systematic logic), if in a strong market, after doing 3-6 months of tutorials and videos you could probably get an entry level position with that. But worst case you could probably get a paid internship (well above minimum wage still) and learn there. I suggest this route because one thing about software development is that if you stop learning you're obsolete in a couple years. 3-5 years ago it was ruby with MVC and objective-c for ios, now it's node with MVVM and swift for ios, 8-10 years ago c++ and java with just n-tier and mobile was nothing. That all depends on the exact field over time as well.","human_ref_B":"game dev is shit, but software dev is $$. i hear facebook's signing bonus is 75-100k nowadays.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":485.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"7d23r1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Depressed Mechanical Engineer here thinking of switching careers to game\/software dev. Hit me with your best advise! help needed! f1 f1 Hey guys, I am a mechanical engineer (graduated in 2015) from a pretty well known school, University of Washington. I worked in aerospace for a while and currently in automotive and I am extremely unsatisfied and slowly dying from the inside from not following my life long passion of coding either software or game dev. I started as a CS student and LOVED my fundamental of CS and java classes! Unfortunately switched my major to ME and went with it which is the biggest regret of my life that I feel it every morning I wake up. I'm at a point (age 28) that its really getting in to me and really want to learn to code, build a portfolio and switch careers even if it comes with a paycut to become a junior software dev. I've been researching a LOT about coding boot camps and attended to a couple orientations, seems like they are mostly heavily web dev focused and also not all are very cheap! I am thinking of starting Coding Dojo, what are your thoughts on that? (FYI I signed up for cs50 already and I am loving it!) tldr; Dear fellow redditors please give me your best advises for my situation, either its a book or series of them, lectures online or taking a bootcamp? getting a second bachelor degree or finding an online masters degree?","c_root_id_A":"dpuyvyk","c_root_id_B":"dpv04qy","created_at_utc_A":1510759792,"created_at_utc_B":1510761051,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It sounds like you know the basics already, the people the boot camps target often are starting with less than that. I'd guess you'd either be bored for a month or just about be the only one in a boot camp class really following along. I'd suggest online video courses (free or cheap) or just random free tutorials personally. If you are interested enough to stick to that enough that you'd be able to understand and accomplish most hackerrank or codefights questions, then you're ready to start looking for a job. I would stress finding a company with a great learning structure, lots of cooperation, collaboration, pairing, everyone involved in discussions not just being handed tasks to implement. 1. see if you keep this interest with cheap\/free things 1. use gamified coding exercises as motivation and goal posts 1. get in the door and have a whole company of mentors and peers to learn from, be encouraged by them Since you have a fairly technical degree already (good math reasoning and systematic logic), if in a strong market, after doing 3-6 months of tutorials and videos you could probably get an entry level position with that. But worst case you could probably get a paid internship (well above minimum wage still) and learn there. I suggest this route because one thing about software development is that if you stop learning you're obsolete in a couple years. 3-5 years ago it was ruby with MVC and objective-c for ios, now it's node with MVVM and swift for ios, 8-10 years ago c++ and java with just n-tier and mobile was nothing. That all depends on the exact field over time as well.","human_ref_B":"I graduated aerospace and started working towards my Master's last year. Throughout uni, I'd make small web apps for fun. A few months in I realized that all I could think of doing was working in and then launching a tech startup, so I left both the program and the field and joined a small sotware group nearby. Some points: 1. Don't get a second degree. People will either (a) not care about your degree, or (b) be happy with your degree being a technical one. 2. I've heard positive things about bootcamps, but can't speak to them. I know Code School was great for app development, but really only as a teaching tool. 3. Tech companies care a lot about your portfolio. I don't remember once asking our new hirees where they graduated, but instead being a lot more interested in their GitHub activity and their previous work experience. I got my job after I left my Master's entirely based on the projects I had on GitHub. 4. If you're not already considering it, look into game dev startups. I'm unsure if the negative rep for the larger companies carries over to the indie community, but the culture in startups tends to be significantly different.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1259.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7d23r1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Depressed Mechanical Engineer here thinking of switching careers to game\/software dev. Hit me with your best advise! help needed! f1 f1 Hey guys, I am a mechanical engineer (graduated in 2015) from a pretty well known school, University of Washington. I worked in aerospace for a while and currently in automotive and I am extremely unsatisfied and slowly dying from the inside from not following my life long passion of coding either software or game dev. I started as a CS student and LOVED my fundamental of CS and java classes! Unfortunately switched my major to ME and went with it which is the biggest regret of my life that I feel it every morning I wake up. I'm at a point (age 28) that its really getting in to me and really want to learn to code, build a portfolio and switch careers even if it comes with a paycut to become a junior software dev. I've been researching a LOT about coding boot camps and attended to a couple orientations, seems like they are mostly heavily web dev focused and also not all are very cheap! I am thinking of starting Coding Dojo, what are your thoughts on that? (FYI I signed up for cs50 already and I am loving it!) tldr; Dear fellow redditors please give me your best advises for my situation, either its a book or series of them, lectures online or taking a bootcamp? getting a second bachelor degree or finding an online masters degree?","c_root_id_A":"dpuyvyk","c_root_id_B":"dpv4y5p","created_at_utc_A":1510759792,"created_at_utc_B":1510765805,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It sounds like you know the basics already, the people the boot camps target often are starting with less than that. I'd guess you'd either be bored for a month or just about be the only one in a boot camp class really following along. I'd suggest online video courses (free or cheap) or just random free tutorials personally. If you are interested enough to stick to that enough that you'd be able to understand and accomplish most hackerrank or codefights questions, then you're ready to start looking for a job. I would stress finding a company with a great learning structure, lots of cooperation, collaboration, pairing, everyone involved in discussions not just being handed tasks to implement. 1. see if you keep this interest with cheap\/free things 1. use gamified coding exercises as motivation and goal posts 1. get in the door and have a whole company of mentors and peers to learn from, be encouraged by them Since you have a fairly technical degree already (good math reasoning and systematic logic), if in a strong market, after doing 3-6 months of tutorials and videos you could probably get an entry level position with that. But worst case you could probably get a paid internship (well above minimum wage still) and learn there. I suggest this route because one thing about software development is that if you stop learning you're obsolete in a couple years. 3-5 years ago it was ruby with MVC and objective-c for ios, now it's node with MVVM and swift for ios, 8-10 years ago c++ and java with just n-tier and mobile was nothing. That all depends on the exact field over time as well.","human_ref_B":"Agriculture from organic soil to aeroponics and even aquaponics is quite interesting. People like to eat. I don't see that changing any time soon.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6013.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7d23r1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Depressed Mechanical Engineer here thinking of switching careers to game\/software dev. Hit me with your best advise! help needed! f1 f1 Hey guys, I am a mechanical engineer (graduated in 2015) from a pretty well known school, University of Washington. I worked in aerospace for a while and currently in automotive and I am extremely unsatisfied and slowly dying from the inside from not following my life long passion of coding either software or game dev. I started as a CS student and LOVED my fundamental of CS and java classes! Unfortunately switched my major to ME and went with it which is the biggest regret of my life that I feel it every morning I wake up. I'm at a point (age 28) that its really getting in to me and really want to learn to code, build a portfolio and switch careers even if it comes with a paycut to become a junior software dev. I've been researching a LOT about coding boot camps and attended to a couple orientations, seems like they are mostly heavily web dev focused and also not all are very cheap! I am thinking of starting Coding Dojo, what are your thoughts on that? (FYI I signed up for cs50 already and I am loving it!) tldr; Dear fellow redditors please give me your best advises for my situation, either its a book or series of them, lectures online or taking a bootcamp? getting a second bachelor degree or finding an online masters degree?","c_root_id_A":"dpv4y5p","c_root_id_B":"dpv1gb2","created_at_utc_A":1510765805,"created_at_utc_B":1510762381,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Agriculture from organic soil to aeroponics and even aquaponics is quite interesting. People like to eat. I don't see that changing any time soon.","human_ref_B":"A lot of people here are giving very practical industry-based advice, which is obviously quite valuable, but I want to potentially offer a different perspective. If you know you want to be a game dev, and you're not in it for the money, but it's just the type of work you want to do, I think you should go for it. Free time and money are absolutely considerations you should make when deciding on your career, but, in my opinion, pursuing work that you feel is fulfilling trumps those concerns. It's what you're going to be spending all your time and thoughts on, it's the field you're going to find accomplishments in, and ultimately, I feel that having someone pay you anything to do what you love is a very validating and rewarding experience. You're going to come across a million reasons why doing something like this is a bad idea. Valid reasons too. In the end though, you can find a way to make it work if you're really determined to do so. Your time is limited and precious, don't waste it because you were too worried to take a risk. That being said, I would imagine that you should very seriously consider the difference in the possibilities in seeking employment with a large or small company, or even starting your own. Assuming you are employed as an Engineer right now, you should consider just what you can do with the money you're making right now. Can you strip back some of your living expenses for a little bit and save up to invest in this future you want to build for yourself? It might help you get some of the training and credentials you need.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3424.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7d23r1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Depressed Mechanical Engineer here thinking of switching careers to game\/software dev. Hit me with your best advise! help needed! f1 f1 Hey guys, I am a mechanical engineer (graduated in 2015) from a pretty well known school, University of Washington. I worked in aerospace for a while and currently in automotive and I am extremely unsatisfied and slowly dying from the inside from not following my life long passion of coding either software or game dev. I started as a CS student and LOVED my fundamental of CS and java classes! Unfortunately switched my major to ME and went with it which is the biggest regret of my life that I feel it every morning I wake up. I'm at a point (age 28) that its really getting in to me and really want to learn to code, build a portfolio and switch careers even if it comes with a paycut to become a junior software dev. I've been researching a LOT about coding boot camps and attended to a couple orientations, seems like they are mostly heavily web dev focused and also not all are very cheap! I am thinking of starting Coding Dojo, what are your thoughts on that? (FYI I signed up for cs50 already and I am loving it!) tldr; Dear fellow redditors please give me your best advises for my situation, either its a book or series of them, lectures online or taking a bootcamp? getting a second bachelor degree or finding an online masters degree?","c_root_id_A":"dpuyvyk","c_root_id_B":"dpvouyo","created_at_utc_A":1510759792,"created_at_utc_B":1510785292,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It sounds like you know the basics already, the people the boot camps target often are starting with less than that. I'd guess you'd either be bored for a month or just about be the only one in a boot camp class really following along. I'd suggest online video courses (free or cheap) or just random free tutorials personally. If you are interested enough to stick to that enough that you'd be able to understand and accomplish most hackerrank or codefights questions, then you're ready to start looking for a job. I would stress finding a company with a great learning structure, lots of cooperation, collaboration, pairing, everyone involved in discussions not just being handed tasks to implement. 1. see if you keep this interest with cheap\/free things 1. use gamified coding exercises as motivation and goal posts 1. get in the door and have a whole company of mentors and peers to learn from, be encouraged by them Since you have a fairly technical degree already (good math reasoning and systematic logic), if in a strong market, after doing 3-6 months of tutorials and videos you could probably get an entry level position with that. But worst case you could probably get a paid internship (well above minimum wage still) and learn there. I suggest this route because one thing about software development is that if you stop learning you're obsolete in a couple years. 3-5 years ago it was ruby with MVC and objective-c for ios, now it's node with MVVM and swift for ios, 8-10 years ago c++ and java with just n-tier and mobile was nothing. That all depends on the exact field over time as well.","human_ref_B":"What I didn\u2019t get from your post is what specifically you don\u2019t like about Mechanical Engineering work. It\u2019s such a broad discipline that I find it hard to believe that there\u2019s nothing there that you would enjoy. It really sounds like you don\u2019t like what you\u2019re doing **right now** and I get that, it can be truly depressing, I\u2019ve been a ME for 20 years and worked some really shit jobs too. I think shit-canning everything to go into being a programmer is overreacting. You want to code? Cool, there are jobs for MEs that can code. PM me if you want","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25500.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"7d23r1","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Depressed Mechanical Engineer here thinking of switching careers to game\/software dev. Hit me with your best advise! help needed! f1 f1 Hey guys, I am a mechanical engineer (graduated in 2015) from a pretty well known school, University of Washington. I worked in aerospace for a while and currently in automotive and I am extremely unsatisfied and slowly dying from the inside from not following my life long passion of coding either software or game dev. I started as a CS student and LOVED my fundamental of CS and java classes! Unfortunately switched my major to ME and went with it which is the biggest regret of my life that I feel it every morning I wake up. I'm at a point (age 28) that its really getting in to me and really want to learn to code, build a portfolio and switch careers even if it comes with a paycut to become a junior software dev. I've been researching a LOT about coding boot camps and attended to a couple orientations, seems like they are mostly heavily web dev focused and also not all are very cheap! I am thinking of starting Coding Dojo, what are your thoughts on that? (FYI I signed up for cs50 already and I am loving it!) tldr; Dear fellow redditors please give me your best advises for my situation, either its a book or series of them, lectures online or taking a bootcamp? getting a second bachelor degree or finding an online masters degree?","c_root_id_A":"dpvouyo","c_root_id_B":"dpv1gb2","created_at_utc_A":1510785292,"created_at_utc_B":1510762381,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"What I didn\u2019t get from your post is what specifically you don\u2019t like about Mechanical Engineering work. It\u2019s such a broad discipline that I find it hard to believe that there\u2019s nothing there that you would enjoy. It really sounds like you don\u2019t like what you\u2019re doing **right now** and I get that, it can be truly depressing, I\u2019ve been a ME for 20 years and worked some really shit jobs too. I think shit-canning everything to go into being a programmer is overreacting. You want to code? Cool, there are jobs for MEs that can code. PM me if you want","human_ref_B":"A lot of people here are giving very practical industry-based advice, which is obviously quite valuable, but I want to potentially offer a different perspective. If you know you want to be a game dev, and you're not in it for the money, but it's just the type of work you want to do, I think you should go for it. Free time and money are absolutely considerations you should make when deciding on your career, but, in my opinion, pursuing work that you feel is fulfilling trumps those concerns. It's what you're going to be spending all your time and thoughts on, it's the field you're going to find accomplishments in, and ultimately, I feel that having someone pay you anything to do what you love is a very validating and rewarding experience. You're going to come across a million reasons why doing something like this is a bad idea. Valid reasons too. In the end though, you can find a way to make it work if you're really determined to do so. Your time is limited and precious, don't waste it because you were too worried to take a risk. That being said, I would imagine that you should very seriously consider the difference in the possibilities in seeking employment with a large or small company, or even starting your own. Assuming you are employed as an Engineer right now, you should consider just what you can do with the money you're making right now. Can you strip back some of your living expenses for a little bit and save up to invest in this future you want to build for yourself? It might help you get some of the training and credentials you need.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22911.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"gg1b1u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"How beneficial is it for ones career to work at SpaceX? I was wondering what are the ramifications if one was to work at SpaceX. I know that they work their employees hard, but is there a payoff saying that you worked there ?","c_root_id_A":"fpwy8qg","c_root_id_B":"fpx1a3o","created_at_utc_A":1588972161,"created_at_utc_B":1588973770,"score_A":3,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/AskEngineers\/comments\/fwg7cy\/i_graduate_in_may_i_accepted_a_position_with_a\/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Similar post and also very interesting!","human_ref_B":"its fine if you like working hard and more fast paced than some of the traditional aerospace companies ​ i have plenty of former spacex interns and full times at my work, they liked it and disliked it for various reasons - location, workload, people, etc ​ i would expect a former spacex employee to be on some higher tier than a typical college grad \/ other company employee though, spacex has take home tests and presentations for you to do during the interview phase","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1609.0,"score_ratio":9.6666666667} +{"post_id":"gg1b1u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"How beneficial is it for ones career to work at SpaceX? I was wondering what are the ramifications if one was to work at SpaceX. I know that they work their employees hard, but is there a payoff saying that you worked there ?","c_root_id_A":"fpx3lcu","c_root_id_B":"fpwy8qg","created_at_utc_A":1588975015,"created_at_utc_B":1588972161,"score_A":22,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Well, you will get paid probably 60% per hour of what you should be making depending on the site, and will be working weekends no doubt. If you are into that thing and are a Elon fanboy they are definitely the place for you. If not, There are plenty of jobs elsewhere in the aerospace industry (and automotive industry) that are just as impressive and let you have a life outside of work.","human_ref_B":"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/AskEngineers\/comments\/fwg7cy\/i_graduate_in_may_i_accepted_a_position_with_a\/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Similar post and also very interesting!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2854.0,"score_ratio":7.3333333333} +{"post_id":"gg1b1u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"How beneficial is it for ones career to work at SpaceX? I was wondering what are the ramifications if one was to work at SpaceX. I know that they work their employees hard, but is there a payoff saying that you worked there ?","c_root_id_A":"fpwy8qg","c_root_id_B":"fq1qbhu","created_at_utc_A":1588972161,"created_at_utc_B":1589048027,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/AskEngineers\/comments\/fwg7cy\/i_graduate_in_may_i_accepted_a_position_with_a\/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Similar post and also very interesting!","human_ref_B":"They have a saying there that goes: \u201cIf you don\u2019t come into work on Saturday don\u2019t come back on Sunday\u201d","labels":0,"seconds_difference":75866.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"gg1b1u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"How beneficial is it for ones career to work at SpaceX? I was wondering what are the ramifications if one was to work at SpaceX. I know that they work their employees hard, but is there a payoff saying that you worked there ?","c_root_id_A":"fpxftyx","c_root_id_B":"fq1qbhu","created_at_utc_A":1588981886,"created_at_utc_B":1589048027,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Your resume will look good, depends on the projects that you will be on. Also, you go through hardware development cycle much faster, so you learn faster and have more experience than typical folks who are in other traditional aerospace companys ( i.e 3 years in spacex has more experience than 3 years in LM\/Boeing\/NG\/Raytheon)","human_ref_B":"They have a saying there that goes: \u201cIf you don\u2019t come into work on Saturday don\u2019t come back on Sunday\u201d","labels":0,"seconds_difference":66141.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"gg1b1u","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"How beneficial is it for ones career to work at SpaceX? I was wondering what are the ramifications if one was to work at SpaceX. I know that they work their employees hard, but is there a payoff saying that you worked there ?","c_root_id_A":"fpxftyx","c_root_id_B":"fpwy8qg","created_at_utc_A":1588981886,"created_at_utc_B":1588972161,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Your resume will look good, depends on the projects that you will be on. Also, you go through hardware development cycle much faster, so you learn faster and have more experience than typical folks who are in other traditional aerospace companys ( i.e 3 years in spacex has more experience than 3 years in LM\/Boeing\/NG\/Raytheon)","human_ref_B":"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/AskEngineers\/comments\/fwg7cy\/i_graduate_in_may_i_accepted_a_position_with_a\/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Similar post and also very interesting!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9725.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"6qly08","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Systems Engineers, what do you do at your job? I am interested in pursuing a career in Systems Engineering and I want to know what they do. I know it is somewhat like managing and designing systems. I want to know from practicing engineers what its like. I want to pursue a systems engineering in the aviation, automation, or consumer goods industry.","c_root_id_A":"dkynxr0","c_root_id_B":"dkydgn3","created_at_utc_A":1501504626,"created_at_utc_B":1501479028,"score_A":46,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"I'm a system engineer in aviation, with about ten years' experience. The core of systems engineering is understanding how the different disciplines and parts of a system interact, and to ensure that, together, they meet the intended functions the system is supposed to provide. In my daily work, that means I: * Identify all the interfaces and agree with them how we will work together. * Write requirements for what the system is supposed to do. This needs a lot of knowledge (I need to call on a lot of specialists) and is a lot more interesting than it sounds. This also includes the non-technical requirements (cost, schedule, risk, market strategy...). * Develop a plan how to validate (ensure the requirements are correct) and verify (ensure the system meets the requirements) the requirements. For example, I would do a background study to validate a requirement, and a test in a laboratory to verify a requirement. * Design a system architecture, then using various means at my disposal (prototypes, simulations, tests...) to see if it meets the requirements. Depending on the task I either do it myself or delegate it to a specialist, who then reports the findings back to me. I also evaluate the architecture with respect to non-technical requirements (e.g. how much will this cost, how risky is it to manufacture). * I spend an awful lot of time checking all adjacent systems and stakeholders and working out solutions for where we \"clash\" (for example there isn't enough space to install two systems, so we have to find a solution - or an adjacent system has changed something, and I need to evaluate what impact this has on my system and find a solution that suits us both.). This and the previous point is the \"meat\" of my work - all the processes and tools around it are just there to help me not to forget anything. * I also do a lot of project management in my role (agreeing scope, schedule, deliverables, tracking progress and risks, etc), but in other organisations that could be responsibility of a dedicated project manager. * The majority of my time I spent communicating; systems engineering is a very communications-heavy discipline (particularly with my additional project management tasks) Systems engineering is the science of mastering interdependency and complexity. I find it very challenging and fulfilling. It suits me to know a little about every aspect of my system without needing to know the deep details; I can therefore take decisions which take all these aspects into account, and I understand the system at a high level, which I find very satisfying.","human_ref_B":"Boredom and regret.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25598.0,"score_ratio":1.7692307692} +{"post_id":"6qly08","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Systems Engineers, what do you do at your job? I am interested in pursuing a career in Systems Engineering and I want to know what they do. I know it is somewhat like managing and designing systems. I want to know from practicing engineers what its like. I want to pursue a systems engineering in the aviation, automation, or consumer goods industry.","c_root_id_A":"dkynxr0","c_root_id_B":"dkycger","created_at_utc_A":1501504626,"created_at_utc_B":1501477134,"score_A":46,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"I'm a system engineer in aviation, with about ten years' experience. The core of systems engineering is understanding how the different disciplines and parts of a system interact, and to ensure that, together, they meet the intended functions the system is supposed to provide. In my daily work, that means I: * Identify all the interfaces and agree with them how we will work together. * Write requirements for what the system is supposed to do. This needs a lot of knowledge (I need to call on a lot of specialists) and is a lot more interesting than it sounds. This also includes the non-technical requirements (cost, schedule, risk, market strategy...). * Develop a plan how to validate (ensure the requirements are correct) and verify (ensure the system meets the requirements) the requirements. For example, I would do a background study to validate a requirement, and a test in a laboratory to verify a requirement. * Design a system architecture, then using various means at my disposal (prototypes, simulations, tests...) to see if it meets the requirements. Depending on the task I either do it myself or delegate it to a specialist, who then reports the findings back to me. I also evaluate the architecture with respect to non-technical requirements (e.g. how much will this cost, how risky is it to manufacture). * I spend an awful lot of time checking all adjacent systems and stakeholders and working out solutions for where we \"clash\" (for example there isn't enough space to install two systems, so we have to find a solution - or an adjacent system has changed something, and I need to evaluate what impact this has on my system and find a solution that suits us both.). This and the previous point is the \"meat\" of my work - all the processes and tools around it are just there to help me not to forget anything. * I also do a lot of project management in my role (agreeing scope, schedule, deliverables, tracking progress and risks, etc), but in other organisations that could be responsibility of a dedicated project manager. * The majority of my time I spent communicating; systems engineering is a very communications-heavy discipline (particularly with my additional project management tasks) Systems engineering is the science of mastering interdependency and complexity. I find it very challenging and fulfilling. It suits me to know a little about every aspect of my system without needing to know the deep details; I can therefore take decisions which take all these aspects into account, and I understand the system at a high level, which I find very satisfying.","human_ref_B":"My degree is in systems engineering. In practice I've found that \"systems engineering\" roles are really requirements management roles, particularly in the defense industry (and I personally have not heard much about systems engineering outside of defense). When I've worked those jobs it's mostly been administering a requirements management database, running reports, and making sure documentation is in order. There's really not a lot of design work. Not to say you can't get in to the design side of things, that's just not what most \"systems engineering\" roles are about. I picked systems engineering because the courses sounded more interesting than CS or EE and it's worked out great for me. I took a lot of programming classes as electives and worked part time as a programmer, and eventually moved back into software engineering. Several of my classmates from college have followed a similar path. So it doesn't necessarily box you in to pursue systems engineering, it just may not be what you're expecting.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27492.0,"score_ratio":2.7058823529} +{"post_id":"6qly08","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Systems Engineers, what do you do at your job? I am interested in pursuing a career in Systems Engineering and I want to know what they do. I know it is somewhat like managing and designing systems. I want to know from practicing engineers what its like. I want to pursue a systems engineering in the aviation, automation, or consumer goods industry.","c_root_id_A":"dkyg3v8","c_root_id_B":"dkynxr0","created_at_utc_A":1501484838,"created_at_utc_B":1501504626,"score_A":4,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"I'm a graduate, 6 months into a systems engineering job. I studied as a mechanical engineer, now work for Government in Defence. I do a lot of risk analysis and the behind the scenes stuff for test and evaluation as well as configuration management. I'm not sure if it's for me. You do lots of high level work, the most nitty gritty I've done is a tolerance stack on a contractor's work followed by a handful of statistics. You'll find in the role that you use your engineering degree as background knowledge to help you make decisions but I really hesitate to call it real engineering.","human_ref_B":"I'm a system engineer in aviation, with about ten years' experience. The core of systems engineering is understanding how the different disciplines and parts of a system interact, and to ensure that, together, they meet the intended functions the system is supposed to provide. In my daily work, that means I: * Identify all the interfaces and agree with them how we will work together. * Write requirements for what the system is supposed to do. This needs a lot of knowledge (I need to call on a lot of specialists) and is a lot more interesting than it sounds. This also includes the non-technical requirements (cost, schedule, risk, market strategy...). * Develop a plan how to validate (ensure the requirements are correct) and verify (ensure the system meets the requirements) the requirements. For example, I would do a background study to validate a requirement, and a test in a laboratory to verify a requirement. * Design a system architecture, then using various means at my disposal (prototypes, simulations, tests...) to see if it meets the requirements. Depending on the task I either do it myself or delegate it to a specialist, who then reports the findings back to me. I also evaluate the architecture with respect to non-technical requirements (e.g. how much will this cost, how risky is it to manufacture). * I spend an awful lot of time checking all adjacent systems and stakeholders and working out solutions for where we \"clash\" (for example there isn't enough space to install two systems, so we have to find a solution - or an adjacent system has changed something, and I need to evaluate what impact this has on my system and find a solution that suits us both.). This and the previous point is the \"meat\" of my work - all the processes and tools around it are just there to help me not to forget anything. * I also do a lot of project management in my role (agreeing scope, schedule, deliverables, tracking progress and risks, etc), but in other organisations that could be responsibility of a dedicated project manager. * The majority of my time I spent communicating; systems engineering is a very communications-heavy discipline (particularly with my additional project management tasks) Systems engineering is the science of mastering interdependency and complexity. I find it very challenging and fulfilling. It suits me to know a little about every aspect of my system without needing to know the deep details; I can therefore take decisions which take all these aspects into account, and I understand the system at a high level, which I find very satisfying.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19788.0,"score_ratio":11.5} +{"post_id":"6qly08","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Systems Engineers, what do you do at your job? I am interested in pursuing a career in Systems Engineering and I want to know what they do. I know it is somewhat like managing and designing systems. I want to know from practicing engineers what its like. I want to pursue a systems engineering in the aviation, automation, or consumer goods industry.","c_root_id_A":"dkyl8or","c_root_id_B":"dkynxr0","created_at_utc_A":1501498939,"created_at_utc_B":1501504626,"score_A":3,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"I'm a systems engineer for the Air Force. I studied chemical engineering. Managing requirements and monitoring contractors' engineering efforts is what I do mostly. And understanding others' work is easiest when you have the proper background, so for my current assignment, electrical or aerospace engineering degrees would have been most helpful. Otherwise the job is more of program management than engineering.","human_ref_B":"I'm a system engineer in aviation, with about ten years' experience. The core of systems engineering is understanding how the different disciplines and parts of a system interact, and to ensure that, together, they meet the intended functions the system is supposed to provide. In my daily work, that means I: * Identify all the interfaces and agree with them how we will work together. * Write requirements for what the system is supposed to do. This needs a lot of knowledge (I need to call on a lot of specialists) and is a lot more interesting than it sounds. This also includes the non-technical requirements (cost, schedule, risk, market strategy...). * Develop a plan how to validate (ensure the requirements are correct) and verify (ensure the system meets the requirements) the requirements. For example, I would do a background study to validate a requirement, and a test in a laboratory to verify a requirement. * Design a system architecture, then using various means at my disposal (prototypes, simulations, tests...) to see if it meets the requirements. Depending on the task I either do it myself or delegate it to a specialist, who then reports the findings back to me. I also evaluate the architecture with respect to non-technical requirements (e.g. how much will this cost, how risky is it to manufacture). * I spend an awful lot of time checking all adjacent systems and stakeholders and working out solutions for where we \"clash\" (for example there isn't enough space to install two systems, so we have to find a solution - or an adjacent system has changed something, and I need to evaluate what impact this has on my system and find a solution that suits us both.). This and the previous point is the \"meat\" of my work - all the processes and tools around it are just there to help me not to forget anything. * I also do a lot of project management in my role (agreeing scope, schedule, deliverables, tracking progress and risks, etc), but in other organisations that could be responsibility of a dedicated project manager. * The majority of my time I spent communicating; systems engineering is a very communications-heavy discipline (particularly with my additional project management tasks) Systems engineering is the science of mastering interdependency and complexity. I find it very challenging and fulfilling. It suits me to know a little about every aspect of my system without needing to know the deep details; I can therefore take decisions which take all these aspects into account, and I understand the system at a high level, which I find very satisfying.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5687.0,"score_ratio":15.3333333333} +{"post_id":"6qly08","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Systems Engineers, what do you do at your job? I am interested in pursuing a career in Systems Engineering and I want to know what they do. I know it is somewhat like managing and designing systems. I want to know from practicing engineers what its like. I want to pursue a systems engineering in the aviation, automation, or consumer goods industry.","c_root_id_A":"dkycger","c_root_id_B":"dkydgn3","created_at_utc_A":1501477134,"created_at_utc_B":1501479028,"score_A":17,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"My degree is in systems engineering. In practice I've found that \"systems engineering\" roles are really requirements management roles, particularly in the defense industry (and I personally have not heard much about systems engineering outside of defense). When I've worked those jobs it's mostly been administering a requirements management database, running reports, and making sure documentation is in order. There's really not a lot of design work. Not to say you can't get in to the design side of things, that's just not what most \"systems engineering\" roles are about. I picked systems engineering because the courses sounded more interesting than CS or EE and it's worked out great for me. I took a lot of programming classes as electives and worked part time as a programmer, and eventually moved back into software engineering. Several of my classmates from college have followed a similar path. So it doesn't necessarily box you in to pursue systems engineering, it just may not be what you're expecting.","human_ref_B":"Boredom and regret.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1894.0,"score_ratio":1.5294117647} +{"post_id":"6qly08","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Systems Engineers, what do you do at your job? I am interested in pursuing a career in Systems Engineering and I want to know what they do. I know it is somewhat like managing and designing systems. I want to know from practicing engineers what its like. I want to pursue a systems engineering in the aviation, automation, or consumer goods industry.","c_root_id_A":"dkyo325","c_root_id_B":"dkyg3v8","created_at_utc_A":1501504891,"created_at_utc_B":1501484838,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I work in the aerospace industry and systems engineering is a big deal here. The bulk of the work will be requirements derivation and verification through the product lifecycle. https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/V-Model. To be a good systems engineer you really should have a strong background in another discipline before making the switch to systems. Being able to draw upon this knowledge is invaluable. I would strongly advise you get a BS in a traditional engineering field that you are interested in (mechanical, electrical, computer, etc) then pursue a masters in systems a few years down the road. Your company will usually pay for it. From my experience, entry level systems engineers that started the role straight out of college seem to struggle more than someone who did design, test or manufacturing for few years first. That experience is vital. Edit: I can elaborate more on any of this. Reply or PM me if interested.","human_ref_B":"I'm a graduate, 6 months into a systems engineering job. I studied as a mechanical engineer, now work for Government in Defence. I do a lot of risk analysis and the behind the scenes stuff for test and evaluation as well as configuration management. I'm not sure if it's for me. You do lots of high level work, the most nitty gritty I've done is a tolerance stack on a contractor's work followed by a handful of statistics. You'll find in the role that you use your engineering degree as background knowledge to help you make decisions but I really hesitate to call it real engineering.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20053.0,"score_ratio":1.75} +{"post_id":"6qly08","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Systems Engineers, what do you do at your job? I am interested in pursuing a career in Systems Engineering and I want to know what they do. I know it is somewhat like managing and designing systems. I want to know from practicing engineers what its like. I want to pursue a systems engineering in the aviation, automation, or consumer goods industry.","c_root_id_A":"dkyo325","c_root_id_B":"dkyl8or","created_at_utc_A":1501504891,"created_at_utc_B":1501498939,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work in the aerospace industry and systems engineering is a big deal here. The bulk of the work will be requirements derivation and verification through the product lifecycle. https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/V-Model. To be a good systems engineer you really should have a strong background in another discipline before making the switch to systems. Being able to draw upon this knowledge is invaluable. I would strongly advise you get a BS in a traditional engineering field that you are interested in (mechanical, electrical, computer, etc) then pursue a masters in systems a few years down the road. Your company will usually pay for it. From my experience, entry level systems engineers that started the role straight out of college seem to struggle more than someone who did design, test or manufacturing for few years first. That experience is vital. Edit: I can elaborate more on any of this. Reply or PM me if interested.","human_ref_B":"I'm a systems engineer for the Air Force. I studied chemical engineering. Managing requirements and monitoring contractors' engineering efforts is what I do mostly. And understanding others' work is easiest when you have the proper background, so for my current assignment, electrical or aerospace engineering degrees would have been most helpful. Otherwise the job is more of program management than engineering.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5952.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} +{"post_id":"hf7ooo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it possible to drain\/kill a battery without physical access to it? Wasn't sure where to post this so I'm trying here. Long story short, someone I know has a fire alarm that was built into a wall in their house, and has been beeping with a \"low battery\" warning for about a year. Nobody wants to cut into the wall so they've just left it. Is there any way to kill the device or screw with it remotely, maybe with a strong magnet?","c_root_id_A":"fvw9do2","c_root_id_B":"fvw7ylw","created_at_utc_A":1593035236,"created_at_utc_B":1593034529,"score_A":14,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Killing the battery might not be all that's needed. Many alarms are wired into mains, with a battery backup, and the chirping is just when the battery is due for replacement, or has dropped below some threshold (but not really dead yet). Killing the battery would leave it connected to wired power so it would just keep beeping. It's not a big deal to cut out a small bit of drywall, properly remove it, and patch the wall. Hardest part in all that is usually matching paint if you don't have a leftover bucket, but taking the cutout to the store they can color and gloss match it pretty dang good nowadays.","human_ref_B":"I imagine you dont want to drill holes everywhere but isnt a metal detector an option to find it and then drill one tactical hole right through into the alarm? Need to tune it to not pickup on every single nail but i believe most of them are tunable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":707.0,"score_ratio":1.5555555556} +{"post_id":"hf7ooo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it possible to drain\/kill a battery without physical access to it? Wasn't sure where to post this so I'm trying here. Long story short, someone I know has a fire alarm that was built into a wall in their house, and has been beeping with a \"low battery\" warning for about a year. Nobody wants to cut into the wall so they've just left it. Is there any way to kill the device or screw with it remotely, maybe with a strong magnet?","c_root_id_A":"fvw9do2","c_root_id_B":"fvvzrb4","created_at_utc_A":1593035236,"created_at_utc_B":1593030507,"score_A":14,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Killing the battery might not be all that's needed. Many alarms are wired into mains, with a battery backup, and the chirping is just when the battery is due for replacement, or has dropped below some threshold (but not really dead yet). Killing the battery would leave it connected to wired power so it would just keep beeping. It's not a big deal to cut out a small bit of drywall, properly remove it, and patch the wall. Hardest part in all that is usually matching paint if you don't have a leftover bucket, but taking the cutout to the store they can color and gloss match it pretty dang good nowadays.","human_ref_B":"Well, it won\u2019t kill the battery but how about frying the electronics with an EMP? Warning. You will want to remove all valuable electronics from the area and power down the house before you do this. https:\/\/youtu.be\/pZnzp4ip5lI","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4729.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"hf7ooo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it possible to drain\/kill a battery without physical access to it? Wasn't sure where to post this so I'm trying here. Long story short, someone I know has a fire alarm that was built into a wall in their house, and has been beeping with a \"low battery\" warning for about a year. Nobody wants to cut into the wall so they've just left it. Is there any way to kill the device or screw with it remotely, maybe with a strong magnet?","c_root_id_A":"fvwtd7b","c_root_id_B":"fvw7ylw","created_at_utc_A":1593047752,"created_at_utc_B":1593034529,"score_A":12,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Seal the building in heavy duty plastic sheeting, then pump the air out. Without the air as a transmission medium, the beep will become much quieter. But be aware, the physical structure of the building will still convey a minute amount of the sound.","human_ref_B":"I imagine you dont want to drill holes everywhere but isnt a metal detector an option to find it and then drill one tactical hole right through into the alarm? Need to tune it to not pickup on every single nail but i believe most of them are tunable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13223.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"hf7ooo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it possible to drain\/kill a battery without physical access to it? Wasn't sure where to post this so I'm trying here. Long story short, someone I know has a fire alarm that was built into a wall in their house, and has been beeping with a \"low battery\" warning for about a year. Nobody wants to cut into the wall so they've just left it. Is there any way to kill the device or screw with it remotely, maybe with a strong magnet?","c_root_id_A":"fvvzrb4","c_root_id_B":"fvwtd7b","created_at_utc_A":1593030507,"created_at_utc_B":1593047752,"score_A":4,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Well, it won\u2019t kill the battery but how about frying the electronics with an EMP? Warning. You will want to remove all valuable electronics from the area and power down the house before you do this. https:\/\/youtu.be\/pZnzp4ip5lI","human_ref_B":"Seal the building in heavy duty plastic sheeting, then pump the air out. Without the air as a transmission medium, the beep will become much quieter. But be aware, the physical structure of the building will still convey a minute amount of the sound.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17245.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"hf7ooo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it possible to drain\/kill a battery without physical access to it? Wasn't sure where to post this so I'm trying here. Long story short, someone I know has a fire alarm that was built into a wall in their house, and has been beeping with a \"low battery\" warning for about a year. Nobody wants to cut into the wall so they've just left it. Is there any way to kill the device or screw with it remotely, maybe with a strong magnet?","c_root_id_A":"fvwtd7b","c_root_id_B":"fvwpmgt","created_at_utc_A":1593047752,"created_at_utc_B":1593045322,"score_A":12,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Seal the building in heavy duty plastic sheeting, then pump the air out. Without the air as a transmission medium, the beep will become much quieter. But be aware, the physical structure of the building will still convey a minute amount of the sound.","human_ref_B":"Can you get into the attic or something and get to it?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2430.0,"score_ratio":6.0} +{"post_id":"hf7ooo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it possible to drain\/kill a battery without physical access to it? Wasn't sure where to post this so I'm trying here. Long story short, someone I know has a fire alarm that was built into a wall in their house, and has been beeping with a \"low battery\" warning for about a year. Nobody wants to cut into the wall so they've just left it. Is there any way to kill the device or screw with it remotely, maybe with a strong magnet?","c_root_id_A":"fvvzrb4","c_root_id_B":"fvw7ylw","created_at_utc_A":1593030507,"created_at_utc_B":1593034529,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Well, it won\u2019t kill the battery but how about frying the electronics with an EMP? Warning. You will want to remove all valuable electronics from the area and power down the house before you do this. https:\/\/youtu.be\/pZnzp4ip5lI","human_ref_B":"I imagine you dont want to drill holes everywhere but isnt a metal detector an option to find it and then drill one tactical hole right through into the alarm? Need to tune it to not pickup on every single nail but i believe most of them are tunable.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4022.0,"score_ratio":2.25} +{"post_id":"hf7ooo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it possible to drain\/kill a battery without physical access to it? Wasn't sure where to post this so I'm trying here. Long story short, someone I know has a fire alarm that was built into a wall in their house, and has been beeping with a \"low battery\" warning for about a year. Nobody wants to cut into the wall so they've just left it. Is there any way to kill the device or screw with it remotely, maybe with a strong magnet?","c_root_id_A":"fvwvccw","c_root_id_B":"fvvzrb4","created_at_utc_A":1593048927,"created_at_utc_B":1593030507,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You can buy a borescope that hooks to your phone for like $30 on Amazon. Use a small hole to insert the borescope and find the alarm. Once it is located get a small, long drill bit and drill into the alarm. A single hit to the circuit board will likely end it. Assuming no old pictures or anything during construction that might help to locate it? Also, smoke detectors have low grade radioactive isotope in them so perhaps a Geiger counter borrowed from a local university or gov. Office could help locate it?","human_ref_B":"Well, it won\u2019t kill the battery but how about frying the electronics with an EMP? Warning. You will want to remove all valuable electronics from the area and power down the house before you do this. https:\/\/youtu.be\/pZnzp4ip5lI","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18420.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"hf7ooo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it possible to drain\/kill a battery without physical access to it? Wasn't sure where to post this so I'm trying here. Long story short, someone I know has a fire alarm that was built into a wall in their house, and has been beeping with a \"low battery\" warning for about a year. Nobody wants to cut into the wall so they've just left it. Is there any way to kill the device or screw with it remotely, maybe with a strong magnet?","c_root_id_A":"fvwpmgt","c_root_id_B":"fvwvccw","created_at_utc_A":1593045322,"created_at_utc_B":1593048927,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Can you get into the attic or something and get to it?","human_ref_B":"You can buy a borescope that hooks to your phone for like $30 on Amazon. Use a small hole to insert the borescope and find the alarm. Once it is located get a small, long drill bit and drill into the alarm. A single hit to the circuit board will likely end it. Assuming no old pictures or anything during construction that might help to locate it? Also, smoke detectors have low grade radioactive isotope in them so perhaps a Geiger counter borrowed from a local university or gov. Office could help locate it?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3605.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"hf7ooo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it possible to drain\/kill a battery without physical access to it? Wasn't sure where to post this so I'm trying here. Long story short, someone I know has a fire alarm that was built into a wall in their house, and has been beeping with a \"low battery\" warning for about a year. Nobody wants to cut into the wall so they've just left it. Is there any way to kill the device or screw with it remotely, maybe with a strong magnet?","c_root_id_A":"fvwzi5i","c_root_id_B":"fvwpmgt","created_at_utc_A":1593051384,"created_at_utc_B":1593045322,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"EMP.....?","human_ref_B":"Can you get into the attic or something and get to it?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6062.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"hf7ooo","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Is it possible to drain\/kill a battery without physical access to it? Wasn't sure where to post this so I'm trying here. Long story short, someone I know has a fire alarm that was built into a wall in their house, and has been beeping with a \"low battery\" warning for about a year. Nobody wants to cut into the wall so they've just left it. Is there any way to kill the device or screw with it remotely, maybe with a strong magnet?","c_root_id_A":"fvwpmgt","c_root_id_B":"fvx17yv","created_at_utc_A":1593045322,"created_at_utc_B":1593052399,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Can you get into the attic or something and get to it?","human_ref_B":"Filing this away in the notes for an opportunity to annoy someone.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7077.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"633yqp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Have to choose my engineering discipline in a few more days. Stuck between electrical and mechanical engineering, could use perspective. Entering 2nd semester finals season after my first year of engineering at the University of Alberta. I have the GPA freedom (most likely) to be able to choose between Traditional or Co-op (extra year, no summers but 20 months work exp.) for both ME and EE. I have to make my decision in a few days but the amount of assignments and work, as you all know, made it very difficult for me to expose myself to the different branches aside from going to the presentations. Im pretty average at dynamics but I was good at statics. I think I would enjoy building things with a team and I have some CAD experience, and Im not opposed to going to management sometime down the line. However, I like the idea of working in the tech industry and specifically the power and new energy industry- solar, batteries, etc. But this is backed up by almost nothing, since my first year program offers nothing to do with circuits or EE related courses. I have to choose soon. Any insight from anyone is helpful.","c_root_id_A":"dfr985a","c_root_id_B":"dfr99ml","created_at_utc_A":1491191194,"created_at_utc_B":1491191250,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"There is a lot of cross over between EE and ME in the real world. Especially with software's influence over engineering in the 21st century. Also, even with ME, electronics are so critical to the mechanical control that even on the same projects, there would need to be both kinds of engineers. With EE, mechanics are still very important for packaging, thermal performance and manufacturing. Whichever you gravitate towards and really enjoy is the one you should pick.","human_ref_B":"Solar is a heavy ME field. You have a lot of interdisciplinary things going on: heat transfer, structural, and electricity. Here is a secret: as an ME you will take a great deal of EE classes, there is some convergence because of the applications occurring. I took 4-5 classes of EE stuff including circuits 1-2, instrumentation, and a solar class as an ME. It sounds like you might prefer ME.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":56.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"rh8lvx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Raytheon Technologies- Difference between principle and principal? Have a tentative phone interview set up for a Principle engineering position- Requirements seem a bit vague and honestly kind of low for a Principle position They also seem to interchange (Principle and Principal) on job postings. I work at honeywell where hierarchy goes Eng 1,2,3,Sr., Lead, Principal, Staff, Tech fellow I am currently a Sr. at Honeywell - I'm just wondering if anyone knows if I am truly looking at a skip level or if Raytheon has a different structure or if this is just title inflation.","c_root_id_A":"hopfj08","c_root_id_B":"hoox9ef","created_at_utc_A":1639608571,"created_at_utc_B":1639601334,"score_A":31,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"The dumb dumbs in HR who create the postings don't know which homophone to use.","human_ref_B":"When my company was part of UTC (now Raytheon Tech), it was Assoc. Eng, eng, senior eng, staff eng, principal eng., senior principal, chief. Thats was ~2yrs ago.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7237.0,"score_ratio":5.1666666667} +{"post_id":"rh8lvx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Raytheon Technologies- Difference between principle and principal? Have a tentative phone interview set up for a Principle engineering position- Requirements seem a bit vague and honestly kind of low for a Principle position They also seem to interchange (Principle and Principal) on job postings. I work at honeywell where hierarchy goes Eng 1,2,3,Sr., Lead, Principal, Staff, Tech fellow I am currently a Sr. at Honeywell - I'm just wondering if anyone knows if I am truly looking at a skip level or if Raytheon has a different structure or if this is just title inflation.","c_root_id_A":"hoox9ef","c_root_id_B":"hopsjz2","created_at_utc_A":1639601334,"created_at_utc_B":1639614254,"score_A":6,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"When my company was part of UTC (now Raytheon Tech), it was Assoc. Eng, eng, senior eng, staff eng, principal eng., senior principal, chief. Thats was ~2yrs ago.","human_ref_B":"I am at RTX now. The job titles still vary a little between divisions. Labor grade is very consistent between divisions now. P1 through P7 is for individual contributors. M4 through M7 through is for managers. After 7, you get into executive levels. For the managers, 7 is director, 6 is associate director, 5 is senior manager, 4 is manager. For the engineers, they share the same titles starting at M6\/P6 (i.e. you're an associate director whether you're an individual contributor or a manager). I'm less familiar with the engineer grades since I've been an M for several years now, but I think the equivalent of Honeywell Sr would be a P3. Principal is usually P4.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12920.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"rh8lvx","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Raytheon Technologies- Difference between principle and principal? Have a tentative phone interview set up for a Principle engineering position- Requirements seem a bit vague and honestly kind of low for a Principle position They also seem to interchange (Principle and Principal) on job postings. I work at honeywell where hierarchy goes Eng 1,2,3,Sr., Lead, Principal, Staff, Tech fellow I am currently a Sr. at Honeywell - I'm just wondering if anyone knows if I am truly looking at a skip level or if Raytheon has a different structure or if this is just title inflation.","c_root_id_A":"hoox9ef","c_root_id_B":"hoq1p5x","created_at_utc_A":1639601334,"created_at_utc_B":1639618422,"score_A":6,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"When my company was part of UTC (now Raytheon Tech), it was Assoc. Eng, eng, senior eng, staff eng, principal eng., senior principal, chief. Thats was ~2yrs ago.","human_ref_B":"Principle = misspelling","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17088.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667} +{"post_id":"1t4g1r","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Why don't armored vehicles have armor covering any of the wheels or tracks? This is something I've wondered for a while. Why don't tanks like the T-72 or armored fighting vehicles like the Warrior] (http:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/b\/be\/MCV-80.jpg) have any armor protection on the tracks or wheels? While being difficult to destroy, tanks are often immobilized by hits to the tracks. Is there a reason the armor protection never extends to cover this vulnerable space? Obviously wheeled vehicles like the [BTR wouldn't be able to be armored like this, it would interfere with the steering. And too much armor would interfere with suspension travel on tracked vehicles. But none at all on most of the drive system? I'm just not sure why they would be designed that way.","c_root_id_A":"ce49tlw","c_root_id_B":"ce48bbm","created_at_utc_A":1387325219,"created_at_utc_B":1387321785,"score_A":32,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Only slightly related to the topic, but I drive a harvester that has rubber tracks instead of wheels at the front. One of the key reasons the tracks are not enclosed is so they self clean a lot of the mud out of the middle. I imagine with metal tracks the mud and dirt would easily make its way into the drive and idle wheels and, without the open sides, would build up, eventually causing major problems. Any armor over the tracks would prevent the operators from cleaning out the tracks easily TL;DR Could be to stop shit building up","human_ref_B":"Tank side skirt armor does exist. Using it is a trade off between protection and mobility\/speed. The more you cover your treads with armor the heavy and slower you are and the less clearance between your armor and the ground, less clearance means interference with the suspension travel like you said, and more \"bottoming out\" so to speak, making traversing rough terrain even more difficult. Also, search for 'Spaced Armor', especially on WWII tanks.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3434.0,"score_ratio":1.1851851852} +{"post_id":"1t4g1r","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Why don't armored vehicles have armor covering any of the wheels or tracks? This is something I've wondered for a while. Why don't tanks like the T-72 or armored fighting vehicles like the Warrior] (http:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/b\/be\/MCV-80.jpg) have any armor protection on the tracks or wheels? While being difficult to destroy, tanks are often immobilized by hits to the tracks. Is there a reason the armor protection never extends to cover this vulnerable space? Obviously wheeled vehicles like the [BTR wouldn't be able to be armored like this, it would interfere with the steering. And too much armor would interfere with suspension travel on tracked vehicles. But none at all on most of the drive system? I'm just not sure why they would be designed that way.","c_root_id_A":"ce4822j","c_root_id_B":"ce49tlw","created_at_utc_A":1387321187,"created_at_utc_B":1387325219,"score_A":5,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"I'd speculate that it's because tanks tend to throw off a track from time to time. The heavy armor would make it impossible to get the track back on.","human_ref_B":"Only slightly related to the topic, but I drive a harvester that has rubber tracks instead of wheels at the front. One of the key reasons the tracks are not enclosed is so they self clean a lot of the mud out of the middle. I imagine with metal tracks the mud and dirt would easily make its way into the drive and idle wheels and, without the open sides, would build up, eventually causing major problems. Any armor over the tracks would prevent the operators from cleaning out the tracks easily TL;DR Could be to stop shit building up","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4032.0,"score_ratio":6.4} +{"post_id":"1t4g1r","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Why don't armored vehicles have armor covering any of the wheels or tracks? This is something I've wondered for a while. Why don't tanks like the T-72 or armored fighting vehicles like the Warrior] (http:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/b\/be\/MCV-80.jpg) have any armor protection on the tracks or wheels? While being difficult to destroy, tanks are often immobilized by hits to the tracks. Is there a reason the armor protection never extends to cover this vulnerable space? Obviously wheeled vehicles like the [BTR wouldn't be able to be armored like this, it would interfere with the steering. And too much armor would interfere with suspension travel on tracked vehicles. But none at all on most of the drive system? I'm just not sure why they would be designed that way.","c_root_id_A":"ce48bbm","c_root_id_B":"ce4822j","created_at_utc_A":1387321785,"created_at_utc_B":1387321187,"score_A":27,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Tank side skirt armor does exist. Using it is a trade off between protection and mobility\/speed. The more you cover your treads with armor the heavy and slower you are and the less clearance between your armor and the ground, less clearance means interference with the suspension travel like you said, and more \"bottoming out\" so to speak, making traversing rough terrain even more difficult. Also, search for 'Spaced Armor', especially on WWII tanks.","human_ref_B":"I'd speculate that it's because tanks tend to throw off a track from time to time. The heavy armor would make it impossible to get the track back on.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":598.0,"score_ratio":5.4} +{"post_id":"1t4g1r","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Why don't armored vehicles have armor covering any of the wheels or tracks? This is something I've wondered for a while. Why don't tanks like the T-72 or armored fighting vehicles like the Warrior] (http:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/b\/be\/MCV-80.jpg) have any armor protection on the tracks or wheels? While being difficult to destroy, tanks are often immobilized by hits to the tracks. Is there a reason the armor protection never extends to cover this vulnerable space? Obviously wheeled vehicles like the [BTR wouldn't be able to be armored like this, it would interfere with the steering. And too much armor would interfere with suspension travel on tracked vehicles. But none at all on most of the drive system? I'm just not sure why they would be designed that way.","c_root_id_A":"ce4822j","c_root_id_B":"ce4ey0g","created_at_utc_A":1387321187,"created_at_utc_B":1387337007,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I'd speculate that it's because tanks tend to throw off a track from time to time. The heavy armor would make it impossible to get the track back on.","human_ref_B":"In addition to making it hard to replace a thrown track and allowing under-vehicle blasts to dissipate, over-track armor also tends to trap mud and debris, and in severe cases can jam up the tracks. The Bradley IFV has armor over the top half of the tracks; every one I've seen personally has the rear-most armor panel bolted on upside-down (as shown in the photo) to allow mud and debris to clear the tracks.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15820.0,"score_ratio":1.4} +{"post_id":"1t4g1r","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Why don't armored vehicles have armor covering any of the wheels or tracks? This is something I've wondered for a while. Why don't tanks like the T-72 or armored fighting vehicles like the Warrior] (http:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/b\/be\/MCV-80.jpg) have any armor protection on the tracks or wheels? While being difficult to destroy, tanks are often immobilized by hits to the tracks. Is there a reason the armor protection never extends to cover this vulnerable space? Obviously wheeled vehicles like the [BTR wouldn't be able to be armored like this, it would interfere with the steering. And too much armor would interfere with suspension travel on tracked vehicles. But none at all on most of the drive system? I'm just not sure why they would be designed that way.","c_root_id_A":"ce4ey0g","c_root_id_B":"ce4asfh","created_at_utc_A":1387337007,"created_at_utc_B":1387327410,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"In addition to making it hard to replace a thrown track and allowing under-vehicle blasts to dissipate, over-track armor also tends to trap mud and debris, and in severe cases can jam up the tracks. The Bradley IFV has armor over the top half of the tracks; every one I've seen personally has the rear-most armor panel bolted on upside-down (as shown in the photo) to allow mud and debris to clear the tracks.","human_ref_B":"Run flat tires. Not sure what technology is used to achieve this but a lot of military tires can withstand a number of punctures. In addition many armored cars are designed to operate with less than a full set of wheels.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9597.0,"score_ratio":3.5} +{"post_id":"54vcd0","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"How do manufacturing plants integrate new technology to assembly lines without freezing production? In software, it's easy for me to spin up a playground environment to prototype and compatibility test a new framework. Something like a pop-tart factory can't replicate their entire production line just to prototype a new jelly dispenser technology, however. Further, to integrate my framework into a production environment I can hotfix machines. I can have 0 down-time if I roll the deploys machine-by-machine. If a pop-tart manufacturer has to replace their jelly dispenser, doesn't that freeze production? I understand that larger companies like pop-tart have many manufacturing plants and so achieve fault-tolerance through redundancy, but that was just an example. What about smaller factories with only one manufacturing line?","c_root_id_A":"d85jhbd","c_root_id_B":"d85gfl8","created_at_utc_A":1475074456,"created_at_utc_B":1475070255,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Wait for model year changeover in July. Smaller changes are implemented over weekends and other breaks. In some cases a product is made at two locations. In this case one is shutdown while they other goes into overtime. Another option is a bank build. You over produce and stockpile inventory to create a fake lull in demand.","human_ref_B":"There are many ways to do it. It depends on how fast production needs to get in and going and if there has been good adequate planning. \u2022 You build a bank and then you can install your equipment over the time period that you left for the bank and hopefully you built time in for testing. \u2022 Another guy mentioned that you can do it over a shut down. Unfortunately, I only know that automotive has shut downs and not other industries. These happen twice a year at the beginning of July for two weeks and a few weeks at the end of December\/ beginning of January. Factors that I know to installing new equipment. Install and test run. Check parts for quality against the prints. Make changes to the tool\/equipment if needed. Set up another run to check and repeat steps above. Hopefully only a few runs until ppap, but that depends on your specs and what tolerances you are attempting to hit.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4201.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} +{"post_id":"cslqm7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Industrial Engineers - Income after 1 year of Experience? New Grad here. B.S. in Industrial Engineering. Working my first full-time job starting salary: 64k with 5k bonus annually. Located in Midwest (Iowa). Not much I could argue about the starting salary since I'm coming straight out of university. However, I've heard that job offers skyrocket once you have 1 year of experience under your belt. I plan to stay with my current company for 1-2 years max and look to seek higher job offers. My current company will offer a 3% base raise guaranteed + additional single-digit percentage (roughly 5-6%) raise depending on performance. So if I stick with my company, my maximum potential rise after 1 year is 6-8%. Factoring in location, if I were to stay around the Midwest, I feel other companies would offer Industrial Engineers minimum 75k+ with 1 year of experience.","c_root_id_A":"exfo3ez","c_root_id_B":"exfnhym","created_at_utc_A":1566244776,"created_at_utc_B":1566244407,"score_A":25,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I'm skeptical of whomever told you job offers skyrocket w\/ 1 year of experience. That seems like a rare occurrence. 64K + bonus is a fantastic entry level salary in a LCOL area. Be happy with what you have. Don't chase money; keep working and figure out what you like. Then go after positions that allow you to work on things you like. Enjoying your job is much better than just enjoying your paycheck.","human_ref_B":"Location and Industry matter greatly in discussions like this. ME that took an Industrial job in Texas\/Aerospace: 70k + great benefits","labels":1,"seconds_difference":369.0,"score_ratio":4.1666666667} +{"post_id":"cslqm7","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Industrial Engineers - Income after 1 year of Experience? New Grad here. B.S. in Industrial Engineering. Working my first full-time job starting salary: 64k with 5k bonus annually. Located in Midwest (Iowa). Not much I could argue about the starting salary since I'm coming straight out of university. However, I've heard that job offers skyrocket once you have 1 year of experience under your belt. I plan to stay with my current company for 1-2 years max and look to seek higher job offers. My current company will offer a 3% base raise guaranteed + additional single-digit percentage (roughly 5-6%) raise depending on performance. So if I stick with my company, my maximum potential rise after 1 year is 6-8%. Factoring in location, if I were to stay around the Midwest, I feel other companies would offer Industrial Engineers minimum 75k+ with 1 year of experience.","c_root_id_A":"exfnhym","c_root_id_B":"exfsaqu","created_at_utc_A":1566244407,"created_at_utc_B":1566247289,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Location and Industry matter greatly in discussions like this. ME that took an Industrial job in Texas\/Aerospace: 70k + great benefits","human_ref_B":"Jesus I'd have done dirty things for a salary\/benefit package like that with GUARANTEED raise in those amounts right out of college. The grass isn't always greener so if you like where you are and what you do, stay put and gain experience for a few years.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2882.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"98gv8n","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Can someone with a bachelor\u2019s in electrical engineering get a master\u2019s in Mechanical Engineering? I\u2019m not sure how common this is. I\u2019ll be getting a BS in electrical. Switching to mechanical or mechatronics for my undergrad is 100% **NOT** an option. I don\u2019t know much about getting into a grad program, but will I find difficulty getting into Penn State\u2019s graduate mechanical program (as an example) while my undergrad experience is in electrical? I worry that I may not have the prerequisites required to get into such a program, but again I don\u2019t know much about getting into a grad program to know if this is even an issue or not. Would someone from outside of mechanical be able to pick up those prerequisites during the period after finishing their undergrad and before applying for their grad? If so, how? The reason I say this time period is because my school doesn\u2019t offer mechanical engineering so I have no way of taking those classes as electives\/minor (and I\u2019m a junior so transferring isn\u2019t really an option). I guess my question is how common is issue and is this approach to getting a degree in mechanical engineering even possible?","c_root_id_A":"e4gahce","c_root_id_B":"e4g8opp","created_at_utc_A":1534663067,"created_at_utc_B":1534659649,"score_A":11,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"sure, but I mean my EE program didn't include statics, dynamics, thermo, fluids, or vibrations, so it would probably take a lot of remediation for me if I wanted to go into ME","human_ref_B":"Knew someone got an MS in civil with their undergrad degree being a BA in English. Might have to take some core prereq undergrad classes in your first year, but you can definitely switch over. Departments will usually have a list of required undergrad courses that you'll need to cover if you are coming in from a different undergrad degree background.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3418.0,"score_ratio":1.8333333333} +{"post_id":"98gv8n","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Can someone with a bachelor\u2019s in electrical engineering get a master\u2019s in Mechanical Engineering? I\u2019m not sure how common this is. I\u2019ll be getting a BS in electrical. Switching to mechanical or mechatronics for my undergrad is 100% **NOT** an option. I don\u2019t know much about getting into a grad program, but will I find difficulty getting into Penn State\u2019s graduate mechanical program (as an example) while my undergrad experience is in electrical? I worry that I may not have the prerequisites required to get into such a program, but again I don\u2019t know much about getting into a grad program to know if this is even an issue or not. Would someone from outside of mechanical be able to pick up those prerequisites during the period after finishing their undergrad and before applying for their grad? If so, how? The reason I say this time period is because my school doesn\u2019t offer mechanical engineering so I have no way of taking those classes as electives\/minor (and I\u2019m a junior so transferring isn\u2019t really an option). I guess my question is how common is issue and is this approach to getting a degree in mechanical engineering even possible?","c_root_id_A":"e4ga0x7","c_root_id_B":"e4gahce","created_at_utc_A":1534662149,"created_at_utc_B":1534663067,"score_A":2,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"As someone with an MS in MechEng, I think you are going to have an issue with the pre-requisites. The fact that you have an engineering degree is obviously a plus in itself, but you will still be missing some of the undergrad classes from MechEng. I'd check specifically with the program you want to enter and ask them their requirements. This way you can see if this is going to be viable considering that you said taking MechEng classes as electives is not an option.","human_ref_B":"sure, but I mean my EE program didn't include statics, dynamics, thermo, fluids, or vibrations, so it would probably take a lot of remediation for me if I wanted to go into ME","labels":0,"seconds_difference":918.0,"score_ratio":5.5} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgnt5p","c_root_id_B":"fvgw25z","created_at_utc_A":1592677736,"created_at_utc_B":1592682316,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"A nice set of 5 axis CNC machines. With that they could produce stuff far ahead of anyone else at the time and with significantly higher productivity. Give them one of the fancy DMG machines that have the ability to CAD\/CAM on the machine.","human_ref_B":"What could make the Nazis win would be a good leader. Hitler did everything he could to make Germany lose the war. Thinking of technology, radar would make a big difference. Radar was the main reason why Germany didn't succeed in the battle of Britain. They sent wave after wave of airplanes to bomb Britain, only to be met by British fighters every time. Britain had a good set of radar stations, and a great control and command system to manage their air defense.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4580.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgw25z","c_root_id_B":"fvgui5g","created_at_utc_A":1592682316,"created_at_utc_B":1592681448,"score_A":8,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"What could make the Nazis win would be a good leader. Hitler did everything he could to make Germany lose the war. Thinking of technology, radar would make a big difference. Radar was the main reason why Germany didn't succeed in the battle of Britain. They sent wave after wave of airplanes to bomb Britain, only to be met by British fighters every time. Britain had a good set of radar stations, and a great control and command system to manage their air defense.","human_ref_B":"I mean if we're talking about the 30's. You could send back something that could give them a massive edge economically. Then rather than having a world war, they just slowly absorb everyone as they see how much better life is in Germany. Think economic victory in the civ games. If your set on. There being a war, then: A laptop with plans for everything from ak47 to much more modern tanks, to modern production machinery and processes. Even a crate of solar powered pocket calculators would be huge. Modern metrology like gd&t would make things so much easier for them to build too. Imagine them being able to slam together panzer tanks in 1\/3 the time at half the cost and have improved reliability. On the economic front, things like more advanced alloys and metallurgy would give them massive edges in building better stuff than anyone else. Things like t slot extrusions for quick durable construction are so much more important than people really think. Plans for how to properly use carbon fiber would be amazing advancements. One thing a lot of people overlook is that the allies learned how to make cheap synthetic rubber while the axis was still reliant on rubber tree plantations. So that would be another massive boon for them. A lot of these kinds of advances in manufacturing techniques and the stringent implementation of them is why Germany is now an economic power house.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":868.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgvojd","c_root_id_B":"fvgw25z","created_at_utc_A":1592682106,"created_at_utc_B":1592682316,"score_A":4,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"The Lost Ark of the Covenant.","human_ref_B":"What could make the Nazis win would be a good leader. Hitler did everything he could to make Germany lose the war. Thinking of technology, radar would make a big difference. Radar was the main reason why Germany didn't succeed in the battle of Britain. They sent wave after wave of airplanes to bomb Britain, only to be met by British fighters every time. Britain had a good set of radar stations, and a great control and command system to manage their air defense.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":210.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgm4lj","c_root_id_B":"fvgw25z","created_at_utc_A":1592676805,"created_at_utc_B":1592682316,"score_A":3,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Some cold-tolerant tank designs would be a good start for the Russian campaign. Jet engines also began to appear at the very end of WW2, so those would likely provide a pretty big advantage if they had it at the start.","human_ref_B":"What could make the Nazis win would be a good leader. Hitler did everything he could to make Germany lose the war. Thinking of technology, radar would make a big difference. Radar was the main reason why Germany didn't succeed in the battle of Britain. They sent wave after wave of airplanes to bomb Britain, only to be met by British fighters every time. Britain had a good set of radar stations, and a great control and command system to manage their air defense.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5511.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgkhf7","c_root_id_B":"fvgw25z","created_at_utc_A":1592675900,"created_at_utc_B":1592682316,"score_A":2,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"-The plans for a late-war German tank (or a late Sherman), Panther?, or a 1950\u2019s design perhaps? -A good turbo diesel engine design -Fracking technology to start german shale oil production?","human_ref_B":"What could make the Nazis win would be a good leader. Hitler did everything he could to make Germany lose the war. Thinking of technology, radar would make a big difference. Radar was the main reason why Germany didn't succeed in the battle of Britain. They sent wave after wave of airplanes to bomb Britain, only to be met by British fighters every time. Britain had a good set of radar stations, and a great control and command system to manage their air defense.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6416.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgm4lj","c_root_id_B":"fvgnt5p","created_at_utc_A":1592676805,"created_at_utc_B":1592677736,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Some cold-tolerant tank designs would be a good start for the Russian campaign. Jet engines also began to appear at the very end of WW2, so those would likely provide a pretty big advantage if they had it at the start.","human_ref_B":"A nice set of 5 axis CNC machines. With that they could produce stuff far ahead of anyone else at the time and with significantly higher productivity. Give them one of the fancy DMG machines that have the ability to CAD\/CAM on the machine.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":931.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgnt5p","c_root_id_B":"fvgkhf7","created_at_utc_A":1592677736,"created_at_utc_B":1592675900,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"A nice set of 5 axis CNC machines. With that they could produce stuff far ahead of anyone else at the time and with significantly higher productivity. Give them one of the fancy DMG machines that have the ability to CAD\/CAM on the machine.","human_ref_B":"-The plans for a late-war German tank (or a late Sherman), Panther?, or a 1950\u2019s design perhaps? -A good turbo diesel engine design -Fracking technology to start german shale oil production?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1836.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgui5g","c_root_id_B":"fvgm4lj","created_at_utc_A":1592681448,"created_at_utc_B":1592676805,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I mean if we're talking about the 30's. You could send back something that could give them a massive edge economically. Then rather than having a world war, they just slowly absorb everyone as they see how much better life is in Germany. Think economic victory in the civ games. If your set on. There being a war, then: A laptop with plans for everything from ak47 to much more modern tanks, to modern production machinery and processes. Even a crate of solar powered pocket calculators would be huge. Modern metrology like gd&t would make things so much easier for them to build too. Imagine them being able to slam together panzer tanks in 1\/3 the time at half the cost and have improved reliability. On the economic front, things like more advanced alloys and metallurgy would give them massive edges in building better stuff than anyone else. Things like t slot extrusions for quick durable construction are so much more important than people really think. Plans for how to properly use carbon fiber would be amazing advancements. One thing a lot of people overlook is that the allies learned how to make cheap synthetic rubber while the axis was still reliant on rubber tree plantations. So that would be another massive boon for them. A lot of these kinds of advances in manufacturing techniques and the stringent implementation of them is why Germany is now an economic power house.","human_ref_B":"Some cold-tolerant tank designs would be a good start for the Russian campaign. Jet engines also began to appear at the very end of WW2, so those would likely provide a pretty big advantage if they had it at the start.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4643.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgkhf7","c_root_id_B":"fvgui5g","created_at_utc_A":1592675900,"created_at_utc_B":1592681448,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"-The plans for a late-war German tank (or a late Sherman), Panther?, or a 1950\u2019s design perhaps? -A good turbo diesel engine design -Fracking technology to start german shale oil production?","human_ref_B":"I mean if we're talking about the 30's. You could send back something that could give them a massive edge economically. Then rather than having a world war, they just slowly absorb everyone as they see how much better life is in Germany. Think economic victory in the civ games. If your set on. There being a war, then: A laptop with plans for everything from ak47 to much more modern tanks, to modern production machinery and processes. Even a crate of solar powered pocket calculators would be huge. Modern metrology like gd&t would make things so much easier for them to build too. Imagine them being able to slam together panzer tanks in 1\/3 the time at half the cost and have improved reliability. On the economic front, things like more advanced alloys and metallurgy would give them massive edges in building better stuff than anyone else. Things like t slot extrusions for quick durable construction are so much more important than people really think. Plans for how to properly use carbon fiber would be amazing advancements. One thing a lot of people overlook is that the allies learned how to make cheap synthetic rubber while the axis was still reliant on rubber tree plantations. So that would be another massive boon for them. A lot of these kinds of advances in manufacturing techniques and the stringent implementation of them is why Germany is now an economic power house.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5548.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgvojd","c_root_id_B":"fvgx8gs","created_at_utc_A":1592682106,"created_at_utc_B":1592682974,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"The Lost Ark of the Covenant.","human_ref_B":"Manufacturing methods textbooks along with material science textbooks. Throw in some plans for some machines and tooling and they'll be set.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":868.0,"score_ratio":1.25} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgx8gs","c_root_id_B":"fvgm4lj","created_at_utc_A":1592682974,"created_at_utc_B":1592676805,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Manufacturing methods textbooks along with material science textbooks. Throw in some plans for some machines and tooling and they'll be set.","human_ref_B":"Some cold-tolerant tank designs would be a good start for the Russian campaign. Jet engines also began to appear at the very end of WW2, so those would likely provide a pretty big advantage if they had it at the start.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6169.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgx8gs","c_root_id_B":"fvgw61g","created_at_utc_A":1592682974,"created_at_utc_B":1592682376,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Manufacturing methods textbooks along with material science textbooks. Throw in some plans for some machines and tooling and they'll be set.","human_ref_B":"A billion gallons of crude oil","labels":1,"seconds_difference":598.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgx8gs","c_root_id_B":"fvgkhf7","created_at_utc_A":1592682974,"created_at_utc_B":1592675900,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Manufacturing methods textbooks along with material science textbooks. Throw in some plans for some machines and tooling and they'll be set.","human_ref_B":"-The plans for a late-war German tank (or a late Sherman), Panther?, or a 1950\u2019s design perhaps? -A good turbo diesel engine design -Fracking technology to start german shale oil production?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7074.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgm4lj","c_root_id_B":"fvgvojd","created_at_utc_A":1592676805,"created_at_utc_B":1592682106,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Some cold-tolerant tank designs would be a good start for the Russian campaign. Jet engines also began to appear at the very end of WW2, so those would likely provide a pretty big advantage if they had it at the start.","human_ref_B":"The Lost Ark of the Covenant.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5301.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgkhf7","c_root_id_B":"fvgvojd","created_at_utc_A":1592675900,"created_at_utc_B":1592682106,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"-The plans for a late-war German tank (or a late Sherman), Panther?, or a 1950\u2019s design perhaps? -A good turbo diesel engine design -Fracking technology to start german shale oil production?","human_ref_B":"The Lost Ark of the Covenant.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6206.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgm4lj","c_root_id_B":"fvgkhf7","created_at_utc_A":1592676805,"created_at_utc_B":1592675900,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Some cold-tolerant tank designs would be a good start for the Russian campaign. Jet engines also began to appear at the very end of WW2, so those would likely provide a pretty big advantage if they had it at the start.","human_ref_B":"-The plans for a late-war German tank (or a late Sherman), Panther?, or a 1950\u2019s design perhaps? -A good turbo diesel engine design -Fracking technology to start german shale oil production?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":905.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvgw61g","c_root_id_B":"fvgkhf7","created_at_utc_A":1592682376,"created_at_utc_B":1592675900,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"A billion gallons of crude oil","human_ref_B":"-The plans for a late-war German tank (or a late Sherman), Panther?, or a 1950\u2019s design perhaps? -A good turbo diesel engine design -Fracking technology to start german shale oil production?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6476.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvh7ykd","c_root_id_B":"fvgkhf7","created_at_utc_A":1592689043,"created_at_utc_B":1592675900,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Any late war technology if delivered pre-war would give a large and lasting advantage. There was a lot of development that happened during the war for manufactured goods. A late war plane would outperform early war planes by a fair margin while still being able to be improved upon with further research and development. For example given a working jet engine before the war considerable development could have taken place to have jet aircraft mid-war which would far outperform the piston aircraft of the time. Same with tanks, guns etc. beginning the war with say the st-44 gives you a very capable and reliable gun with only one tooling up required for manufacturing instead of constantly re-tooling as upgrades are made to refine the design. Manufacturing and use of transistors would also be quite valuable. Others mentioned calculators but even the plans to manufacture the components and a basic calculator or similar circuits would allow them to conduct research more rapidly and integrate electronics where intricate mechanical assemblies were previously used.","human_ref_B":"-The plans for a late-war German tank (or a late Sherman), Panther?, or a 1950\u2019s design perhaps? -A good turbo diesel engine design -Fracking technology to start german shale oil production?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13143.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"hcqkfv","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.71,"history":"What piece of technology could you send to 1930s Nazi Germany to heavily tip the odds towards a WWII victory? I'm currently preparing a speculative fiction tabletop roleplaying campaign, where the main plot revolves around a rogue scientist trying to send something back through time to Nazi Germany in order to tip the war's balance in their favour. I've been struggling with what device or tech to be sent back through time. Obvious choices would be a computer or a nuclear weapon (which would be hard to obtain, but still). With those pieces of advanced tech, however, it seems unlikely that 1930s engineering would be able to reproduce them, due to lacking manufacturing technlogy or knowledge of underlying principles at that time. I also don't want to be too hand-wavey about it and want to maintain some plausibility (apart from the time travel, obviously). Would you have any ideas? Extra points for added dramatic effect.","c_root_id_A":"fvh7ykd","c_root_id_B":"fvh4m31","created_at_utc_A":1592689043,"created_at_utc_B":1592687167,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Any late war technology if delivered pre-war would give a large and lasting advantage. There was a lot of development that happened during the war for manufactured goods. A late war plane would outperform early war planes by a fair margin while still being able to be improved upon with further research and development. For example given a working jet engine before the war considerable development could have taken place to have jet aircraft mid-war which would far outperform the piston aircraft of the time. Same with tanks, guns etc. beginning the war with say the st-44 gives you a very capable and reliable gun with only one tooling up required for manufacturing instead of constantly re-tooling as upgrades are made to refine the design. Manufacturing and use of transistors would also be quite valuable. Others mentioned calculators but even the plans to manufacture the components and a basic calculator or similar circuits would allow them to conduct research more rapidly and integrate electronics where intricate mechanical assemblies were previously used.","human_ref_B":"Sounds a lot like The Man in The High Castle","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1876.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"z6nibp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How To Decrease Temperature Inside Box Cooled by Peltier Thermoelectric Cooler? **I have a** **Cooluli mini fridge** **that I'd like to modify to make the inside of the box much colder.** The box's interior only gets down to about 30-35\u00b0 F (0-2\u00b0 C). I'm hoping to modify it to get the inside of the box down to household freezer temperatures, 0\u00b0 F (-18\u00b0 C). I took the mini-fridge apart to discover it is made up of a 40mm x 40mm TEC1-12705 that's fastened on one side to the aluminum interior of the box and, on the other side, in order, an aluminum spacer, heatsink, and fan. The heatsink is a standard extruded aluminum fin type, 120mm x 120mm x 20mm. And the fan is a standard 92mm x 25mm 5v fan that you might find in a PC case. The solid aluminum spacer between the TEC and heatsink is 40mm x 40mm x 25mm and provides space for styrofoam insulation between the inner and outer shells. **What modifications could I make to decrease the temperature inside the box?** I've thought of: 1. Replace all thermal compound with higher-performing compound (I don't know what's currently used but assume it's cheap). 2. Increase the heatsink size. I'm worried that the outer fins already don't do much because they extend far beyond the TEC\/spacer area. I also am having trouble finding larger extruded square heatsinks. 3. Replace the fan with a larger diameter, higher airflow, and\/or greater max pressure. 4. Replace the TEC with a larger module or one that has a higher max current. Thank you in advance!!","c_root_id_A":"iy2et14","c_root_id_B":"iy2eg9s","created_at_utc_A":1669614084,"created_at_utc_B":1669613845,"score_A":24,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Find optimal current for Peltier element. At too low current it doesn't pump enough heat(linear dependency), at too high current it generates too much heat(quadratic dependency). In other words, you need to maximize voltage drop over Peltier element(it is proportional to temperature difference). While minimizing temperature of the heat sink.","human_ref_B":"I would start by measuring the temperature of the heatsink. If it's already near room temperature, then a larger fan or heatsink won't help. You could increase the current going to the TEC - I'm assuming it isn't operating at maximum right now. Doing so probably will require at least a blowier fan. The best option ( and most likely to actually work) would be to add a second TEC and improve heat sinking. Remember that the TEC needs to move an amount of power that is proportional to the difference between the freezer temperature and the ambient temperature. The other place you could make improvements would be heat transfer on the cold side - maybe a small very low power fan to get the freezer temperature the same as the cold heatsink.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":239.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143} +{"post_id":"z6nibp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How To Decrease Temperature Inside Box Cooled by Peltier Thermoelectric Cooler? **I have a** **Cooluli mini fridge** **that I'd like to modify to make the inside of the box much colder.** The box's interior only gets down to about 30-35\u00b0 F (0-2\u00b0 C). I'm hoping to modify it to get the inside of the box down to household freezer temperatures, 0\u00b0 F (-18\u00b0 C). I took the mini-fridge apart to discover it is made up of a 40mm x 40mm TEC1-12705 that's fastened on one side to the aluminum interior of the box and, on the other side, in order, an aluminum spacer, heatsink, and fan. The heatsink is a standard extruded aluminum fin type, 120mm x 120mm x 20mm. And the fan is a standard 92mm x 25mm 5v fan that you might find in a PC case. The solid aluminum spacer between the TEC and heatsink is 40mm x 40mm x 25mm and provides space for styrofoam insulation between the inner and outer shells. **What modifications could I make to decrease the temperature inside the box?** I've thought of: 1. Replace all thermal compound with higher-performing compound (I don't know what's currently used but assume it's cheap). 2. Increase the heatsink size. I'm worried that the outer fins already don't do much because they extend far beyond the TEC\/spacer area. I also am having trouble finding larger extruded square heatsinks. 3. Replace the fan with a larger diameter, higher airflow, and\/or greater max pressure. 4. Replace the TEC with a larger module or one that has a higher max current. Thank you in advance!!","c_root_id_A":"iy2e7o7","c_root_id_B":"iy2et14","created_at_utc_A":1669613688,"created_at_utc_B":1669614084,"score_A":7,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"What you're asking about is essentially redesigning the entire system. Those thermoelectric devices are cool technology, but they aren't very efficient.","human_ref_B":"Find optimal current for Peltier element. At too low current it doesn't pump enough heat(linear dependency), at too high current it generates too much heat(quadratic dependency). In other words, you need to maximize voltage drop over Peltier element(it is proportional to temperature difference). While minimizing temperature of the heat sink.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":396.0,"score_ratio":3.4285714286} +{"post_id":"z6nibp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How To Decrease Temperature Inside Box Cooled by Peltier Thermoelectric Cooler? **I have a** **Cooluli mini fridge** **that I'd like to modify to make the inside of the box much colder.** The box's interior only gets down to about 30-35\u00b0 F (0-2\u00b0 C). I'm hoping to modify it to get the inside of the box down to household freezer temperatures, 0\u00b0 F (-18\u00b0 C). I took the mini-fridge apart to discover it is made up of a 40mm x 40mm TEC1-12705 that's fastened on one side to the aluminum interior of the box and, on the other side, in order, an aluminum spacer, heatsink, and fan. The heatsink is a standard extruded aluminum fin type, 120mm x 120mm x 20mm. And the fan is a standard 92mm x 25mm 5v fan that you might find in a PC case. The solid aluminum spacer between the TEC and heatsink is 40mm x 40mm x 25mm and provides space for styrofoam insulation between the inner and outer shells. **What modifications could I make to decrease the temperature inside the box?** I've thought of: 1. Replace all thermal compound with higher-performing compound (I don't know what's currently used but assume it's cheap). 2. Increase the heatsink size. I'm worried that the outer fins already don't do much because they extend far beyond the TEC\/spacer area. I also am having trouble finding larger extruded square heatsinks. 3. Replace the fan with a larger diameter, higher airflow, and\/or greater max pressure. 4. Replace the TEC with a larger module or one that has a higher max current. Thank you in advance!!","c_root_id_A":"iy2eg9s","c_root_id_B":"iy2e7o7","created_at_utc_A":1669613845,"created_at_utc_B":1669613688,"score_A":14,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I would start by measuring the temperature of the heatsink. If it's already near room temperature, then a larger fan or heatsink won't help. You could increase the current going to the TEC - I'm assuming it isn't operating at maximum right now. Doing so probably will require at least a blowier fan. The best option ( and most likely to actually work) would be to add a second TEC and improve heat sinking. Remember that the TEC needs to move an amount of power that is proportional to the difference between the freezer temperature and the ambient temperature. The other place you could make improvements would be heat transfer on the cold side - maybe a small very low power fan to get the freezer temperature the same as the cold heatsink.","human_ref_B":"What you're asking about is essentially redesigning the entire system. Those thermoelectric devices are cool technology, but they aren't very efficient.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":157.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"z6nibp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How To Decrease Temperature Inside Box Cooled by Peltier Thermoelectric Cooler? **I have a** **Cooluli mini fridge** **that I'd like to modify to make the inside of the box much colder.** The box's interior only gets down to about 30-35\u00b0 F (0-2\u00b0 C). I'm hoping to modify it to get the inside of the box down to household freezer temperatures, 0\u00b0 F (-18\u00b0 C). I took the mini-fridge apart to discover it is made up of a 40mm x 40mm TEC1-12705 that's fastened on one side to the aluminum interior of the box and, on the other side, in order, an aluminum spacer, heatsink, and fan. The heatsink is a standard extruded aluminum fin type, 120mm x 120mm x 20mm. And the fan is a standard 92mm x 25mm 5v fan that you might find in a PC case. The solid aluminum spacer between the TEC and heatsink is 40mm x 40mm x 25mm and provides space for styrofoam insulation between the inner and outer shells. **What modifications could I make to decrease the temperature inside the box?** I've thought of: 1. Replace all thermal compound with higher-performing compound (I don't know what's currently used but assume it's cheap). 2. Increase the heatsink size. I'm worried that the outer fins already don't do much because they extend far beyond the TEC\/spacer area. I also am having trouble finding larger extruded square heatsinks. 3. Replace the fan with a larger diameter, higher airflow, and\/or greater max pressure. 4. Replace the TEC with a larger module or one that has a higher max current. Thank you in advance!!","c_root_id_A":"iy38qa9","c_root_id_B":"iy3ejf0","created_at_utc_A":1669638293,"created_at_utc_B":1669641822,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Usually they are max efficiency from the factory by design, I don't think you will be able to make it much cooler. It seems like the best they can do is 30-40 degrees F less than the outside air. I see you have some research and going to do some experimentation. I am interested in the results.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m just gonna throw this out, but maybe the easiest and quickest way would be to improve the insulation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3529.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"z6nibp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How To Decrease Temperature Inside Box Cooled by Peltier Thermoelectric Cooler? **I have a** **Cooluli mini fridge** **that I'd like to modify to make the inside of the box much colder.** The box's interior only gets down to about 30-35\u00b0 F (0-2\u00b0 C). I'm hoping to modify it to get the inside of the box down to household freezer temperatures, 0\u00b0 F (-18\u00b0 C). I took the mini-fridge apart to discover it is made up of a 40mm x 40mm TEC1-12705 that's fastened on one side to the aluminum interior of the box and, on the other side, in order, an aluminum spacer, heatsink, and fan. The heatsink is a standard extruded aluminum fin type, 120mm x 120mm x 20mm. And the fan is a standard 92mm x 25mm 5v fan that you might find in a PC case. The solid aluminum spacer between the TEC and heatsink is 40mm x 40mm x 25mm and provides space for styrofoam insulation between the inner and outer shells. **What modifications could I make to decrease the temperature inside the box?** I've thought of: 1. Replace all thermal compound with higher-performing compound (I don't know what's currently used but assume it's cheap). 2. Increase the heatsink size. I'm worried that the outer fins already don't do much because they extend far beyond the TEC\/spacer area. I also am having trouble finding larger extruded square heatsinks. 3. Replace the fan with a larger diameter, higher airflow, and\/or greater max pressure. 4. Replace the TEC with a larger module or one that has a higher max current. Thank you in advance!!","c_root_id_A":"iy3ejf0","c_root_id_B":"iy3e3yr","created_at_utc_A":1669641822,"created_at_utc_B":1669641581,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m just gonna throw this out, but maybe the easiest and quickest way would be to improve the insulation.","human_ref_B":"I think you need a ballpark whether, at your desired temperature, the rate of heat flowing in is less than the maximum heat removal capacity of the TE element. I suspect it's not, in which case you know how far off you are. You can do an experiment to estimate this. Get ice of known mass and put it in the fridge without running it. Wait for, say, 3 hours. Then take it out and weigh how much ice has melted. Then you can calculate the amount of heat energy needed to melt it, and hence the heat flow.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":241.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"z6nibp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How To Decrease Temperature Inside Box Cooled by Peltier Thermoelectric Cooler? **I have a** **Cooluli mini fridge** **that I'd like to modify to make the inside of the box much colder.** The box's interior only gets down to about 30-35\u00b0 F (0-2\u00b0 C). I'm hoping to modify it to get the inside of the box down to household freezer temperatures, 0\u00b0 F (-18\u00b0 C). I took the mini-fridge apart to discover it is made up of a 40mm x 40mm TEC1-12705 that's fastened on one side to the aluminum interior of the box and, on the other side, in order, an aluminum spacer, heatsink, and fan. The heatsink is a standard extruded aluminum fin type, 120mm x 120mm x 20mm. And the fan is a standard 92mm x 25mm 5v fan that you might find in a PC case. The solid aluminum spacer between the TEC and heatsink is 40mm x 40mm x 25mm and provides space for styrofoam insulation between the inner and outer shells. **What modifications could I make to decrease the temperature inside the box?** I've thought of: 1. Replace all thermal compound with higher-performing compound (I don't know what's currently used but assume it's cheap). 2. Increase the heatsink size. I'm worried that the outer fins already don't do much because they extend far beyond the TEC\/spacer area. I also am having trouble finding larger extruded square heatsinks. 3. Replace the fan with a larger diameter, higher airflow, and\/or greater max pressure. 4. Replace the TEC with a larger module or one that has a higher max current. Thank you in advance!!","c_root_id_A":"iy2w961","c_root_id_B":"iy3ejf0","created_at_utc_A":1669628201,"created_at_utc_B":1669641822,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"if i recall, there is a maximum temperature differential between the cooling and heating side. so no matter how well you insulate the space, you can not get 0F if the room temperature is 70F","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m just gonna throw this out, but maybe the easiest and quickest way would be to improve the insulation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13621.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"z6nibp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How To Decrease Temperature Inside Box Cooled by Peltier Thermoelectric Cooler? **I have a** **Cooluli mini fridge** **that I'd like to modify to make the inside of the box much colder.** The box's interior only gets down to about 30-35\u00b0 F (0-2\u00b0 C). I'm hoping to modify it to get the inside of the box down to household freezer temperatures, 0\u00b0 F (-18\u00b0 C). I took the mini-fridge apart to discover it is made up of a 40mm x 40mm TEC1-12705 that's fastened on one side to the aluminum interior of the box and, on the other side, in order, an aluminum spacer, heatsink, and fan. The heatsink is a standard extruded aluminum fin type, 120mm x 120mm x 20mm. And the fan is a standard 92mm x 25mm 5v fan that you might find in a PC case. The solid aluminum spacer between the TEC and heatsink is 40mm x 40mm x 25mm and provides space for styrofoam insulation between the inner and outer shells. **What modifications could I make to decrease the temperature inside the box?** I've thought of: 1. Replace all thermal compound with higher-performing compound (I don't know what's currently used but assume it's cheap). 2. Increase the heatsink size. I'm worried that the outer fins already don't do much because they extend far beyond the TEC\/spacer area. I also am having trouble finding larger extruded square heatsinks. 3. Replace the fan with a larger diameter, higher airflow, and\/or greater max pressure. 4. Replace the TEC with a larger module or one that has a higher max current. Thank you in advance!!","c_root_id_A":"iy38qa9","c_root_id_B":"iy2w961","created_at_utc_A":1669638293,"created_at_utc_B":1669628201,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Usually they are max efficiency from the factory by design, I don't think you will be able to make it much cooler. It seems like the best they can do is 30-40 degrees F less than the outside air. I see you have some research and going to do some experimentation. I am interested in the results.","human_ref_B":"if i recall, there is a maximum temperature differential between the cooling and heating side. so no matter how well you insulate the space, you can not get 0F if the room temperature is 70F","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10092.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"z6nibp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How To Decrease Temperature Inside Box Cooled by Peltier Thermoelectric Cooler? **I have a** **Cooluli mini fridge** **that I'd like to modify to make the inside of the box much colder.** The box's interior only gets down to about 30-35\u00b0 F (0-2\u00b0 C). I'm hoping to modify it to get the inside of the box down to household freezer temperatures, 0\u00b0 F (-18\u00b0 C). I took the mini-fridge apart to discover it is made up of a 40mm x 40mm TEC1-12705 that's fastened on one side to the aluminum interior of the box and, on the other side, in order, an aluminum spacer, heatsink, and fan. The heatsink is a standard extruded aluminum fin type, 120mm x 120mm x 20mm. And the fan is a standard 92mm x 25mm 5v fan that you might find in a PC case. The solid aluminum spacer between the TEC and heatsink is 40mm x 40mm x 25mm and provides space for styrofoam insulation between the inner and outer shells. **What modifications could I make to decrease the temperature inside the box?** I've thought of: 1. Replace all thermal compound with higher-performing compound (I don't know what's currently used but assume it's cheap). 2. Increase the heatsink size. I'm worried that the outer fins already don't do much because they extend far beyond the TEC\/spacer area. I also am having trouble finding larger extruded square heatsinks. 3. Replace the fan with a larger diameter, higher airflow, and\/or greater max pressure. 4. Replace the TEC with a larger module or one that has a higher max current. Thank you in advance!!","c_root_id_A":"iy3e3yr","c_root_id_B":"iy2w961","created_at_utc_A":1669641581,"created_at_utc_B":1669628201,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I think you need a ballpark whether, at your desired temperature, the rate of heat flowing in is less than the maximum heat removal capacity of the TE element. I suspect it's not, in which case you know how far off you are. You can do an experiment to estimate this. Get ice of known mass and put it in the fridge without running it. Wait for, say, 3 hours. Then take it out and weigh how much ice has melted. Then you can calculate the amount of heat energy needed to melt it, and hence the heat flow.","human_ref_B":"if i recall, there is a maximum temperature differential between the cooling and heating side. so no matter how well you insulate the space, you can not get 0F if the room temperature is 70F","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13380.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"z6nibp","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How To Decrease Temperature Inside Box Cooled by Peltier Thermoelectric Cooler? **I have a** **Cooluli mini fridge** **that I'd like to modify to make the inside of the box much colder.** The box's interior only gets down to about 30-35\u00b0 F (0-2\u00b0 C). I'm hoping to modify it to get the inside of the box down to household freezer temperatures, 0\u00b0 F (-18\u00b0 C). I took the mini-fridge apart to discover it is made up of a 40mm x 40mm TEC1-12705 that's fastened on one side to the aluminum interior of the box and, on the other side, in order, an aluminum spacer, heatsink, and fan. The heatsink is a standard extruded aluminum fin type, 120mm x 120mm x 20mm. And the fan is a standard 92mm x 25mm 5v fan that you might find in a PC case. The solid aluminum spacer between the TEC and heatsink is 40mm x 40mm x 25mm and provides space for styrofoam insulation between the inner and outer shells. **What modifications could I make to decrease the temperature inside the box?** I've thought of: 1. Replace all thermal compound with higher-performing compound (I don't know what's currently used but assume it's cheap). 2. Increase the heatsink size. I'm worried that the outer fins already don't do much because they extend far beyond the TEC\/spacer area. I also am having trouble finding larger extruded square heatsinks. 3. Replace the fan with a larger diameter, higher airflow, and\/or greater max pressure. 4. Replace the TEC with a larger module or one that has a higher max current. Thank you in advance!!","c_root_id_A":"iy2w961","c_root_id_B":"iy4f6pm","created_at_utc_A":1669628201,"created_at_utc_B":1669658039,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"if i recall, there is a maximum temperature differential between the cooling and heating side. so no matter how well you insulate the space, you can not get 0F if the room temperature is 70F","human_ref_B":"You can stack peltier junctions. Buy another fridge of the same type and thermally connect it to the first fridges peltier by putting the hot side of fridge 2 against the cold side of fridge 1. It\u2019s non-linear so you won\u2019t get 2x the temperature drop. Plug in both junction separately or wire in a higher amp power source.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29838.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"ve7fca","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Can I use superglue gel to protect a soldered connection? I have a device with a removable PCB. The PCB is connected via a plug to another PCB, but on the other end of the wires is a very fragile soldered connection. Can I use a blob of superglue instead of hot glue (don't have a hot glue gun) to protect these wires from getting snapped? I'm not worried about the fact that it's a permanent connection, as I can just unplug and replace the entire PCB via the plug if anything goes wrong. Cheers","c_root_id_A":"icommjz","c_root_id_B":"icomexu","created_at_utc_A":1655451049,"created_at_utc_B":1655450869,"score_A":30,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Superglue is usually very brittle when cured. But you can make some banging composites with it as a binder. In a pinch: I\u2019ve had success building joints with some cloth and super glue.","human_ref_B":"I have use it like that and as temporary insulation in a mini-emergency.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":180.0,"score_ratio":10.0} +{"post_id":"ve7fca","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Can I use superglue gel to protect a soldered connection? I have a device with a removable PCB. The PCB is connected via a plug to another PCB, but on the other end of the wires is a very fragile soldered connection. Can I use a blob of superglue instead of hot glue (don't have a hot glue gun) to protect these wires from getting snapped? I'm not worried about the fact that it's a permanent connection, as I can just unplug and replace the entire PCB via the plug if anything goes wrong. Cheers","c_root_id_A":"icor396","c_root_id_B":"icompkq","created_at_utc_A":1655454893,"created_at_utc_B":1655451122,"score_A":12,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Clear nail varnish","human_ref_B":"No issues as long as you don't mind not ever being able to remove it. Hot glue is usually preferred because it's cheaper and easy to remove if needed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3771.0,"score_ratio":2.4} +{"post_id":"ve7fca","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Can I use superglue gel to protect a soldered connection? I have a device with a removable PCB. The PCB is connected via a plug to another PCB, but on the other end of the wires is a very fragile soldered connection. Can I use a blob of superglue instead of hot glue (don't have a hot glue gun) to protect these wires from getting snapped? I'm not worried about the fact that it's a permanent connection, as I can just unplug and replace the entire PCB via the plug if anything goes wrong. Cheers","c_root_id_A":"icor396","c_root_id_B":"icomexu","created_at_utc_A":1655454893,"created_at_utc_B":1655450869,"score_A":12,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Clear nail varnish","human_ref_B":"I have use it like that and as temporary insulation in a mini-emergency.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4024.0,"score_ratio":4.0} +{"post_id":"ve7fca","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Can I use superglue gel to protect a soldered connection? I have a device with a removable PCB. The PCB is connected via a plug to another PCB, but on the other end of the wires is a very fragile soldered connection. Can I use a blob of superglue instead of hot glue (don't have a hot glue gun) to protect these wires from getting snapped? I'm not worried about the fact that it's a permanent connection, as I can just unplug and replace the entire PCB via the plug if anything goes wrong. Cheers","c_root_id_A":"icoqa36","c_root_id_B":"icor396","created_at_utc_A":1655454177,"created_at_utc_B":1655454893,"score_A":2,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Does the gel also shrink to a very thin layer when it cures? Superglue isn't gap filling.","human_ref_B":"Clear nail varnish","labels":0,"seconds_difference":716.0,"score_ratio":6.0} +{"post_id":"ve7fca","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Can I use superglue gel to protect a soldered connection? I have a device with a removable PCB. The PCB is connected via a plug to another PCB, but on the other end of the wires is a very fragile soldered connection. Can I use a blob of superglue instead of hot glue (don't have a hot glue gun) to protect these wires from getting snapped? I'm not worried about the fact that it's a permanent connection, as I can just unplug and replace the entire PCB via the plug if anything goes wrong. Cheers","c_root_id_A":"icp096s","c_root_id_B":"icompkq","created_at_utc_A":1655462709,"created_at_utc_B":1655451122,"score_A":11,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"If you need to de-solder that joint, be mindful of the fumes from the glue evaporating. I would suggest tacking the wire to the PCB before the solder joint. Not actually applying the glue to the joint. This would be more of a proper strain relief. Hot melt ( hot glue) is good. So is RTV or silicone sealants. And for a real sturdy hold you can paint on some potting material. Of course none of these methods meet standards as the wire should have a strain relief preventing the solder joint from being pulled on.","human_ref_B":"No issues as long as you don't mind not ever being able to remove it. Hot glue is usually preferred because it's cheaper and easy to remove if needed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11587.0,"score_ratio":2.2} +{"post_id":"ve7fca","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Can I use superglue gel to protect a soldered connection? I have a device with a removable PCB. The PCB is connected via a plug to another PCB, but on the other end of the wires is a very fragile soldered connection. Can I use a blob of superglue instead of hot glue (don't have a hot glue gun) to protect these wires from getting snapped? I'm not worried about the fact that it's a permanent connection, as I can just unplug and replace the entire PCB via the plug if anything goes wrong. Cheers","c_root_id_A":"icomexu","c_root_id_B":"icp096s","created_at_utc_A":1655450869,"created_at_utc_B":1655462709,"score_A":3,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"I have use it like that and as temporary insulation in a mini-emergency.","human_ref_B":"If you need to de-solder that joint, be mindful of the fumes from the glue evaporating. I would suggest tacking the wire to the PCB before the solder joint. Not actually applying the glue to the joint. This would be more of a proper strain relief. Hot melt ( hot glue) is good. So is RTV or silicone sealants. And for a real sturdy hold you can paint on some potting material. Of course none of these methods meet standards as the wire should have a strain relief preventing the solder joint from being pulled on.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11840.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} +{"post_id":"ve7fca","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Can I use superglue gel to protect a soldered connection? I have a device with a removable PCB. The PCB is connected via a plug to another PCB, but on the other end of the wires is a very fragile soldered connection. Can I use a blob of superglue instead of hot glue (don't have a hot glue gun) to protect these wires from getting snapped? I'm not worried about the fact that it's a permanent connection, as I can just unplug and replace the entire PCB via the plug if anything goes wrong. Cheers","c_root_id_A":"icp096s","c_root_id_B":"icoqa36","created_at_utc_A":1655462709,"created_at_utc_B":1655454177,"score_A":11,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If you need to de-solder that joint, be mindful of the fumes from the glue evaporating. I would suggest tacking the wire to the PCB before the solder joint. Not actually applying the glue to the joint. This would be more of a proper strain relief. Hot melt ( hot glue) is good. So is RTV or silicone sealants. And for a real sturdy hold you can paint on some potting material. Of course none of these methods meet standards as the wire should have a strain relief preventing the solder joint from being pulled on.","human_ref_B":"Does the gel also shrink to a very thin layer when it cures? Superglue isn't gap filling.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8532.0,"score_ratio":5.5} +{"post_id":"ve7fca","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Can I use superglue gel to protect a soldered connection? I have a device with a removable PCB. The PCB is connected via a plug to another PCB, but on the other end of the wires is a very fragile soldered connection. Can I use a blob of superglue instead of hot glue (don't have a hot glue gun) to protect these wires from getting snapped? I'm not worried about the fact that it's a permanent connection, as I can just unplug and replace the entire PCB via the plug if anything goes wrong. Cheers","c_root_id_A":"icomexu","c_root_id_B":"icompkq","created_at_utc_A":1655450869,"created_at_utc_B":1655451122,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I have use it like that and as temporary insulation in a mini-emergency.","human_ref_B":"No issues as long as you don't mind not ever being able to remove it. Hot glue is usually preferred because it's cheaper and easy to remove if needed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":253.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"4vqavw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.6,"history":"Where and how do defense contractors such as Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon design and store their technologies? Do they use closed or open servers? What design software do they use? Do they have open-source software? How do foreign governments remotely hack and steal their information? Has their ever been a hacker that stole designs and released them? Where would one find such information? No I'm not a hacker. I'm just a curious kid.","c_root_id_A":"d60lk4v","c_root_id_B":"d60kl1i","created_at_utc_A":1470110251,"created_at_utc_B":1470108571,"score_A":23,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Nice try Russia and\/or China.","human_ref_B":">What design software do they use? Depends on the company. Probably Solidworks, Pro-e, or Catia. >Do they have open-source software? Probably not. >How do foreign governments remotely hack and steal their information? Ask these guys >Has their ever been a hacker that stole designs and released them? Possibly >Where would one find such information? Google","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1680.0,"score_ratio":1.3529411765} +{"post_id":"4vqavw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.6,"history":"Where and how do defense contractors such as Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon design and store their technologies? Do they use closed or open servers? What design software do they use? Do they have open-source software? How do foreign governments remotely hack and steal their information? Has their ever been a hacker that stole designs and released them? Where would one find such information? No I'm not a hacker. I'm just a curious kid.","c_root_id_A":"d60r8ke","c_root_id_B":"d60mjkb","created_at_utc_A":1470123171,"created_at_utc_B":1470112010,"score_A":10,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I worked in defense. It depends on the classification. Non classified work was on a company intranet sort of PLM system. Anyone with access could look up any part. Secret and top secret projects are a different story. To work on one you need security clearance and work was done in a closed network in an isolated lab. The design standards for the lab are very strict to prevent signals from going in and out - it was basically a faraday cage. Within that lab data was protected by various levels of encryption and you only had access on a need to know basis. Getting data in and out was a huge hassle, especially anything electronic. Bottom line, nobody could hack in to one of these systems without someone on the inside. And even then it would be extremely difficult.","human_ref_B":"They keep their designs on dropbox of course.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11161.0,"score_ratio":1.1111111111} +{"post_id":"4vqavw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.6,"history":"Where and how do defense contractors such as Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon design and store their technologies? Do they use closed or open servers? What design software do they use? Do they have open-source software? How do foreign governments remotely hack and steal their information? Has their ever been a hacker that stole designs and released them? Where would one find such information? No I'm not a hacker. I'm just a curious kid.","c_root_id_A":"d60noxs","c_root_id_B":"d60r8ke","created_at_utc_A":1470114235,"created_at_utc_B":1470123171,"score_A":5,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"A mishmash of various ancient databases that run on emulators and are accsessed through hacky scripts. But the official stuff is maintained on sheets of vellum. It's mostly not worth hacking.","human_ref_B":"I worked in defense. It depends on the classification. Non classified work was on a company intranet sort of PLM system. Anyone with access could look up any part. Secret and top secret projects are a different story. To work on one you need security clearance and work was done in a closed network in an isolated lab. The design standards for the lab are very strict to prevent signals from going in and out - it was basically a faraday cage. Within that lab data was protected by various levels of encryption and you only had access on a need to know basis. Getting data in and out was a huge hassle, especially anything electronic. Bottom line, nobody could hack in to one of these systems without someone on the inside. And even then it would be extremely difficult.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8936.0,"score_ratio":2.0} +{"post_id":"4vqavw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.6,"history":"Where and how do defense contractors such as Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon design and store their technologies? Do they use closed or open servers? What design software do they use? Do they have open-source software? How do foreign governments remotely hack and steal their information? Has their ever been a hacker that stole designs and released them? Where would one find such information? No I'm not a hacker. I'm just a curious kid.","c_root_id_A":"d60qizj","c_root_id_B":"d60r8ke","created_at_utc_A":1470121128,"created_at_utc_B":1470123171,"score_A":6,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"They store nearly all of their data on their college account Google Drive. Most companies use MS Paint for all drawings, except wire harnesses, which are normally done in excel. Technologies have definitely been stolen. Have you ever heard of the airplane? Even Canada has them now.","human_ref_B":"I worked in defense. It depends on the classification. Non classified work was on a company intranet sort of PLM system. Anyone with access could look up any part. Secret and top secret projects are a different story. To work on one you need security clearance and work was done in a closed network in an isolated lab. The design standards for the lab are very strict to prevent signals from going in and out - it was basically a faraday cage. Within that lab data was protected by various levels of encryption and you only had access on a need to know basis. Getting data in and out was a huge hassle, especially anything electronic. Bottom line, nobody could hack in to one of these systems without someone on the inside. And even then it would be extremely difficult.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2043.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} +{"post_id":"4vqavw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.6,"history":"Where and how do defense contractors such as Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon design and store their technologies? Do they use closed or open servers? What design software do they use? Do they have open-source software? How do foreign governments remotely hack and steal their information? Has their ever been a hacker that stole designs and released them? Where would one find such information? No I'm not a hacker. I'm just a curious kid.","c_root_id_A":"d60r8ke","c_root_id_B":"d60n0bm","created_at_utc_A":1470123171,"created_at_utc_B":1470112888,"score_A":10,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I worked in defense. It depends on the classification. Non classified work was on a company intranet sort of PLM system. Anyone with access could look up any part. Secret and top secret projects are a different story. To work on one you need security clearance and work was done in a closed network in an isolated lab. The design standards for the lab are very strict to prevent signals from going in and out - it was basically a faraday cage. Within that lab data was protected by various levels of encryption and you only had access on a need to know basis. Getting data in and out was a huge hassle, especially anything electronic. Bottom line, nobody could hack in to one of these systems without someone on the inside. And even then it would be extremely difficult.","human_ref_B":"bruh, you know how many lists you're on now?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10283.0,"score_ratio":5.0} +{"post_id":"4vqavw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.6,"history":"Where and how do defense contractors such as Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon design and store their technologies? Do they use closed or open servers? What design software do they use? Do they have open-source software? How do foreign governments remotely hack and steal their information? Has their ever been a hacker that stole designs and released them? Where would one find such information? No I'm not a hacker. I'm just a curious kid.","c_root_id_A":"d60noxs","c_root_id_B":"d60qizj","created_at_utc_A":1470114235,"created_at_utc_B":1470121128,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"A mishmash of various ancient databases that run on emulators and are accsessed through hacky scripts. But the official stuff is maintained on sheets of vellum. It's mostly not worth hacking.","human_ref_B":"They store nearly all of their data on their college account Google Drive. Most companies use MS Paint for all drawings, except wire harnesses, which are normally done in excel. Technologies have definitely been stolen. Have you ever heard of the airplane? Even Canada has them now.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6893.0,"score_ratio":1.2} +{"post_id":"4vqavw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.6,"history":"Where and how do defense contractors such as Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon design and store their technologies? Do they use closed or open servers? What design software do they use? Do they have open-source software? How do foreign governments remotely hack and steal their information? Has their ever been a hacker that stole designs and released them? Where would one find such information? No I'm not a hacker. I'm just a curious kid.","c_root_id_A":"d60n0bm","c_root_id_B":"d60noxs","created_at_utc_A":1470112888,"created_at_utc_B":1470114235,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"bruh, you know how many lists you're on now?","human_ref_B":"A mishmash of various ancient databases that run on emulators and are accsessed through hacky scripts. But the official stuff is maintained on sheets of vellum. It's mostly not worth hacking.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1347.0,"score_ratio":2.5} +{"post_id":"4vqavw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.6,"history":"Where and how do defense contractors such as Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon design and store their technologies? Do they use closed or open servers? What design software do they use? Do they have open-source software? How do foreign governments remotely hack and steal their information? Has their ever been a hacker that stole designs and released them? Where would one find such information? No I'm not a hacker. I'm just a curious kid.","c_root_id_A":"d60n0bm","c_root_id_B":"d60qizj","created_at_utc_A":1470112888,"created_at_utc_B":1470121128,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"bruh, you know how many lists you're on now?","human_ref_B":"They store nearly all of their data on their college account Google Drive. Most companies use MS Paint for all drawings, except wire harnesses, which are normally done in excel. Technologies have definitely been stolen. Have you ever heard of the airplane? Even Canada has them now.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8240.0,"score_ratio":3.0} +{"post_id":"4vqavw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.6,"history":"Where and how do defense contractors such as Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon design and store their technologies? Do they use closed or open servers? What design software do they use? Do they have open-source software? How do foreign governments remotely hack and steal their information? Has their ever been a hacker that stole designs and released them? Where would one find such information? No I'm not a hacker. I'm just a curious kid.","c_root_id_A":"d60tek8","c_root_id_B":"d60n0bm","created_at_utc_A":1470130548,"created_at_utc_B":1470112888,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"\"But seriously... does anybody know anything about any launch coooodes?\"","human_ref_B":"bruh, you know how many lists you're on now?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17660.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"4vqavw","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.6,"history":"Where and how do defense contractors such as Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon design and store their technologies? Do they use closed or open servers? What design software do they use? Do they have open-source software? How do foreign governments remotely hack and steal their information? Has their ever been a hacker that stole designs and released them? Where would one find such information? No I'm not a hacker. I'm just a curious kid.","c_root_id_A":"d60u0dk","c_root_id_B":"d60n0bm","created_at_utc_A":1470132667,"created_at_utc_B":1470112888,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Since the CEO of Lockheed Martin, or Apple, or Microsoft, or Boeing can get onto his secure email from some hotel wifi in Beijing or Moscow, surely I can too? And surely yes. But it's complicated. VPN is the key term. It also requires a lot of intrustion monitoring and credential challenges by those big companies. I'm sure it's a pain in the butt! And simple geolocation works. Do we know that Tim Cook is in China this week? Well his logins from Russia are no bueno.","human_ref_B":"bruh, you know how many lists you're on now?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19779.0,"score_ratio":1.5} +{"post_id":"byb9cz","domain":"askengineers_validation","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"IoT, Big Data, Cloud Computing, Smart Manufacturing, Industry 4.0 and the list goes on. What is behind this buzzwords? I already know the basic gist of all these terms and know that they are not on the same level but partly related to each other. Google searchs always throws one business article after another at me, where they all say: \"Oh its connecting this and that and everything is digital and did I already say data?\" I have some spare time at work and would rather read or attend online courses about this digital obsession, so I actually know what is hidden behind these terms. I just want to ask for a list or structure of actual methods, algorithms, models, software etc. that I can study when Im bored. ​ Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"eqhrfum","c_root_id_B":"eqhbnr9","created_at_utc_A":1560068388,"created_at_utc_B":1560054033,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"A somewhat sarcastic take on things... IoT: things that should never be exposed to the internet, exposed to the internet, often minus the whole security thing. Cloud computing: renting typically overpriced time on other people's infrastructure located in a remote data center. Smart Manufacturing: let's rediscover the basics we forgot about, but add computers and networks so we can sell you vendor locked recurring subscription services. If you don't pay your bill, your manufacturing line stops working because you got deprovisioned for non-payment (which happened because you forgot to update your CC on file and the \"reminder\" email went to the spam folder). Industry 4.0: just like industry 3.0, but we changed all of the icons and renamed a bunch of stuff so you have to buy training on the same core topics, all over again. Also, lots of things are now as-a-service business models.","human_ref_B":"Terms like IoT are simply a category... Just \"organic\" foods is a category. The term is so broad, that it is hard to recommend something to you. Anything from AWS to Embedded is game...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14355.0,"score_ratio":3.5}