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+我們很榮幸地邀請到雨彈任台積電資深副總計業績委員會主席和力
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+力美和主席
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+吃玉山銀行董事長黃南中黃董事長
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+吃主食天下雜誌調查中心熊一西熊總監
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+我們又熱情的掌聲來歡迎
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+非常應該大家還
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+不及待的因為今天這個組合算是
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+相當罕見
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+我們知道從每年跳蚤之都會舉辦天下濟公民講的調查
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+10
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+那今天這兩位呢就是
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+這幾年一直都是我們的
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+第一名第二名
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+那過去也一直比較少有機會把這一名第二名
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+放在一起啊
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+一個洞之間有一點一下
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+王不見王
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+但是沒關係
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+環境好我們大家去
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+那今天台積電視
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+歐亞不得未來業務的責任副總是讓我比較久那另外一個抬頭是
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+台積電esg委員會的主席
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+那
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+他在我其實在做天在去問你們跟台積電接觸好那
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+00:01:09,888 --> 00:01:14,496
+耳朵一直說是聽那個台積電解殺的一個重要的資助包括他們的
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+那個
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+農舍
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+對還有辦法相關的詞
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+時代然後甚至
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+去中暑了啦都扮演台積電
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+在社會參與
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+還有還有整個包包公司
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+非常重要的一個角色
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+那
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+玉山玉山銀行的
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+華航董事長我就不好意思
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+董事長
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+空農場
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+馬玉山其實我一直很喜歡他們一點就是
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+他們一直都在寫啥這一塊一直都讓我覺得他們是有一個
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+哦很重要的吧
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+經營的策略跟勇士
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+拒絕和他們的角色上面就會把永續這個成份放進去
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+那就什麼他就是玉山金控我一直接他就是
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+玉山他在做這個勇氣他們他們公司的永續腦
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+45
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+就是
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+任何相關節課是上他這邊都會把關做一整個就說他們在做
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+47
+00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,280
+信用卡會讓婦人去結合社會讓夫人去
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+冰箱捐哦
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+不管然後
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+50
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+為我減碳信用卡這些都是上這些都需要
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+非常細膩的角色手就已經決定
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+要永續的成語
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+非炎今天非常
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+敞開襟
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+兩位可以了
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+我
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+你不是要聽我講話我講不分在後面我們就直接先進著這兩位我想
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+今天大家應該還
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+蠻關首先因為
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+今天這個
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+活動就是因為
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+那我想說
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+兩位分享一下就你們
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+64
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+因為我聽說兩位看這個樣子
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+敬佩
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+祝你們對這麼有沒有簡短的方式聊聊就是你怎麼樣就是有一些故事心得
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+67
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+那我們要不要去
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+68
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+最近送書人每天都送我這一本
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+這一位好幾倍
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+日本放辦公室放家裡
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+你是我有空檔的時候就可以拿出來
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+72
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+其實我非常喜歡這一本書
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+73
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+他真的很容易看懂
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+74
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+他把一個人想看Beauty這個科技
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+75
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+他其實把這個事情
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+76
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+可以講得這麼簡單
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+77
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+好啦你能夠技術重疊剪很有架構畫
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+78
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+也剛好還是電視你在眼裡我們的那個零零排碳的策略
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+79
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+我在看這本書是我就有很多東西
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+80
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+沒有感覺然後也覺得很多東西也得到答案
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+我就覺得對美術的我非常幫助我會建議每一個人都要來看
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+其中有一個地方我想跟大家分享他講到百分之
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+19
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+我是來自於農業
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+85
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+他講很細他講肥料
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+他講到那個
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+50
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+還有提到說
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+其實你爸10還有這個森林保留下來
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+可能比種樹
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+綠固碳的效果更大
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+他還有演什麼
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+為什麼有人要把魚鱗砍掉可能是拿去送東西要養牛
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+養幼幼排更多的探
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+95
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+說不但是一個圓內雨林的效果不見了
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+96
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+海產生一個會增加蛋的一個一個使用方法
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+所以
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+我覺得世上有意思
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+哪裡有他也談到了一些這一個
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+00:04:11,648 --> 00:04:14,464
+負擔的這些一些offset measurement
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+其實
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+台積電正在也在思考這個問題就是我們若要坐在淨零排碳
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+103
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+所以我們先慘
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+104
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+流程當中節能減碳
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+105
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+除了我們去買綠能之外然後供應商要坐姿我還有一個
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+106
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+熱銷不覺得太怎麼辦呢其實維修settlement
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+107
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+寫的書裡面有寫
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+108
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+那我們剛好最近也在跟很多跨國公司
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+109
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+左邊是mark
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+110
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+小了解他們怎麼去進入者
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+111
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+去設定他們的這個那個
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+112
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+南瓜子的牌
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+113
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+信義對這個時候看這本書我覺得我來講師
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+非常有因size
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+115
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+就是
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+捷比爾蓋茲應該說很年輕的時候就用
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+微軟的軟體嗎這是我們最早認識
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+118
+00:05:00,799 --> 00:05:03,871
+慢慢慢的耳鼻喉科只有一次也在講金融
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+119
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+他就說banking is necessary
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+120
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+Burbank
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+121
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+把not
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+122
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+銀行業務是一定要的但銀行不一定會存在喔
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+00:05:13,599 --> 00:05:19,743
+這是我加入玉山的時候第一次被嚇到會不會有一天銀行就不在了
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+124
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+那後面的話當然就看到在過去的十幾年比爾蓋茲
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+125
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+一直在做
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+126
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+很多的慈善
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+好包括就
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+11秒
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+129
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+包括
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+阿奇爾的問題
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+牙包括如何協助和
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+很多蘋困的地區啊
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+當然就讓人覺得是香港的pass
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+134
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+我覺得這本書裡面
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+我也看到了一個
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+企業家一個科學家用很有系統的方式來處理這個很複雜的問題
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+137
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+哪所以當我拿到這本書的說真是愛不釋手
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+後來因為書不能隨時都帶子又買了一個電子版
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+就是一直我都可以看那個切割一下哪些東西
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+我覺得他
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+最好的地方是
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+他有一個系統
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+同性的思考
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+你就是
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+145
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+從511噸
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+他是從哪裡來
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+147
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+給我們過去真的沒有這樣的歌
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+148
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+概念
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+149
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+老師來講解如果問各位那台灣到裡拍的
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+150
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+幾噸
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+151
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+台南我們也不知道啊
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+152
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+那待會再告訴各位答案喔
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+153
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+Ok另外就是那我們知道了這些很詳細的東西之後
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+154
+00:06:28,351 --> 00:06:30,911
+那到底我們的對策是什麼
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+155
+00:06:31,679 --> 00:06:36,543
+所以他先有一個大的PK球之後每一個picture of裡面他還可以講得好
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+156
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+很細
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+157
+00:06:37,823 --> 00:06:41,663
+像我小時候在農村長大我也不知道哦原來養一隻雞
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+158
+00:06:41,919 --> 00:06:43,455
+好是要吃涼卡的
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+159
+00:06:43,711 --> 00:06:44,223
+植物才會找
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+160
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+一卡的肉啊豬呢
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+161
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+3馬赫
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+162
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+犇牛牛是六合
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+163
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+OK那就很多你很好玩我覺得也
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+164
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+很多的一些經驗值在裡面
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+165
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+他買他又提出了很
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+166
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+50的方法
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+167
+00:07:01,887 --> 00:07:05,471
+你就說如果沒有解決的問題那是不是大家都不要用電就好了
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+168
+00:07:05,983 --> 00:07:07,263
+不要用水就好他們
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+169
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+不可能啊
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+170
+00:07:08,799 --> 00:07:11,359
+也就是說我們人類進展到這一個階段
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+171
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+問未來如果還要有一個更好的
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+172
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+我說得更好不一定是更奢侈而是一個
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+173
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+更好品質
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+174
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+此地生活的話
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+175
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+我們應該怎麼
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+176
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+怎麼做可以同時達到這個目標
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+177
+00:07:24,927 --> 00:07:25,695
+那就是剛講
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+178
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+那如果用創新
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+179
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+用科技用市場
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+180
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+用政策把這些東西都大
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+達到
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+182
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+是我覺得他是一個很系統性的
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+183
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+思考的方式
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+184
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+讓人
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+185
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+柯以柔大處著眼
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+186
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+可以從小處著手
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+187
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+這是我第一個非常
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+第二個是
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+他很務實
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+00:07:49,503 --> 00:07:51,039
+你就是我剛提到的
+
+191
+00:07:51,295 --> 00:07:53,855
+他也知道有些事情立刻就可以做的
+
+192
+00:07:54,367 --> 00:07:54,879
+有些事情
+
+193
+00:07:55,135 --> 00:07:56,159
+可能沒有辦法
+
+194
+00:07:56,415 --> 00:07:57,695
+像剛剛
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+195
+00:07:58,207 --> 00:08:02,047
+他有提到美國已經提到2030年要減碳50%
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+196
+00:08:02,559 --> 00:08:04,351
+他的書裡面立刻就有提醒
+
+197
+00:08:04,863 --> 00:08:06,399
+那剛剛總編輯又特別
+
+198
+00:08:06,655 --> 00:08:07,167
+提到
+
+199
+00:08:07,423 --> 00:08:09,215
+會有沒有達成這一個目標
+
+200
+00:08:09,471 --> 00:08:12,031
+用了一些比較潔淨的方式
+
+201
+00:08:12,287 --> 00:08:14,847
+反而我們2050年會打不倒牧
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+202
+00:08:15,871 --> 00:08:16,383
+所以這個
+
+203
+00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:19,455
+短中長期的平衡到底應該如何來
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+204
+00:08:19,711 --> 00:08:21,503
+做我覺得他是一個非常的
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+205
+00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:22,271
+50
+
+206
+00:08:22,783 --> 00:08:24,319
+那最後我也覺得
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+207
+00:08:24,831 --> 00:08:25,599
+他真的是
+
+208
+00:08:26,367 --> 00:08:28,159
+有一個悲天憫人的胸懷
+
+209
+00:08:29,183 --> 00:08:29,695
+因為
+
+210
+00:08:29,951 --> 00:08:31,231
+在這一段改善的過程
+
+211
+00:08:31,487 --> 00:08:31,999
+裡面
+
+212
+00:08:32,255 --> 00:08:32,767
+一定有
+
+213
+00:08:33,023 --> 00:08:34,047
+很多的人
+
+214
+00:08:34,303 --> 00:08:36,607
+會因為氣候變遷的原故
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+215
+00:08:36,863 --> 00:08:39,935
+他們會受到特別的痛苦的地方
+
+216
+00:08:40,447 --> 00:08:42,751
+到底我們該用什麼樣的方式
+
+217
+00:08:43,007 --> 00:08:44,287
+來協助這一群人
+
+218
+00:08:44,543 --> 00:08:50,431
+也能很安然地可以走到2050年會不會2050年真的是0排碳的
+
+219
+00:08:50,687 --> 00:08:51,967
+大溪有很多
+
+220
+00:08:52,223 --> 00:08:53,503
+艱苦地區的人們
+
+221
+00:08:53,759 --> 00:08:55,807
+他找不到那個時候我覺得
+
+222
+00:08:56,063 --> 00:08:56,831
+這是一種
+
+223
+00:08:57,343 --> 00:08:59,391
+很大的那種愛的胸懷
+
+224
+00:08:59,647 --> 00:09:00,927
+也讓我覺得非常的乾
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+225
+00:09:01,183 --> 00:09:03,743
+感動後這大概是我的感想謝謝
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+226
+00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:06,303
+媽祖
+
+227
+00:09:06,815 --> 00:09:07,327
+謝謝
+
+228
+00:09:08,863 --> 00:09:15,007
+70比2個字這本書裡面就是有一個還蠻重要的概念啊就是說他在談這個要追求進行式上衣
+
+229
+00:09:15,263 --> 00:09:16,287
+一個是自身的鍵盤
+
+230
+00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:17,823
+另外一個就是他補償
+
+231
+00:09:18,591 --> 00:09:20,895
+可能我都過植樹碳交易的方式來用
+
+232
+00:09:21,151 --> 00:09:22,175
+從外面來來來來來
+
+233
+00:09:22,687 --> 00:09:23,199
+武藏
+
+234
+00:09:23,455 --> 00:09:24,991
+那就對台積電來說話
+
+235
+00:09:25,247 --> 00:09:26,015
+我在
+
+236
+00:09:26,271 --> 00:09:29,343
+一個知道一件事一起來就一槍將相當之旅在
+
+237
+00:09:29,599 --> 00:09:30,367
+製造
+
+238
+00:09:30,623 --> 00:09:36,767
+再見鍵盤方面所以我們想先看擋箭牌最快一點來說我們我們一般認識還是你好像沒有什麼
+
+239
+00:09:37,023 --> 00:09:39,327
+什麼什麼碳排放他好像也不會造成什麼
+
+240
+00:09:39,583 --> 00:09:41,631
+烏染但是上帝說有不是
+
+241
+00:09:41,887 --> 00:09:42,911
+不是我說的話
+
+242
+00:09:43,167 --> 00:09:44,703
+適當的用電是上市
+
+243
+00:09:45,215 --> 00:09:46,495
+尚德精神所以我想說想
+
+244
+00:09:46,751 --> 00:09:51,615
+相信聊了就今天在減排這一塊目前大概做什麼呢未來有什
+
+245
+00:09:52,639 --> 00:09:53,151
+想法
+
+246
+00:09:55,455 --> 00:09:56,991
+好我想先講一下啊
+
+247
+00:09:57,247 --> 00:09:58,783
+我們其實
+
+248
+00:09:59,551 --> 00:10:00,575
+沒用一度電
+
+249
+00:10:00,831 --> 00:10:01,855
+台電用電蠻多的
+
+250
+00:10:03,135 --> 00:10:04,671
+文美用一路店
+
+251
+00:10:05,439 --> 00:10:07,999
+所製造出來的低耗能的晶片
+
+252
+00:10:08,767 --> 00:10:11,071
+可以使全世界減4度的店
+
+253
+00:10:11,583 --> 00:10:13,375
+這個騎士以前他不太講喔
+
+254
+00:10:13,887 --> 00:10:16,959
+但是我們那個每一度電其實加在一起也蠻多的
+
+255
+00:10:17,215 --> 00:10:19,775
+我們是全世界最大的晶圓代工廠
+
+256
+00:10:20,031 --> 00:10:22,591
+熊在工廠裡面也是不遺餘力的
+
+257
+00:10:22,847 --> 00:10:25,407
+做個像的節的節能措施
+
+258
+00:10:25,663 --> 00:10:27,455
+那我可以從三個方面來講
+
+259
+00:10:27,967 --> 00:10:28,735
+我們在
+
+260
+00:10:28,991 --> 00:10:31,039
+台積電子生活動帳中的碳排
+
+261
+00:10:32,063 --> 00:10:34,367
+又25%是來自己生產製程
+
+262
+00:10:34,623 --> 00:10:35,135
+造成的
+
+263
+00:10:35,647 --> 00:10:38,207
+75%是來自己使用電照
+
+264
+00:10:39,231 --> 00:10:40,767
+這個數字本來會更高喔
+
+265
+00:10:41,023 --> 00:10:41,791
+Black box
+
+266
+00:10:42,047 --> 00:10:42,559
+三
+
+267
+00:10:42,815 --> 00:10:45,631
+因為我們已經開始使用了相當多的綠能
+
+268
+00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:48,191
+減掉了7.6個percent
+
+269
+00:10:48,447 --> 00:10:49,471
+達到75
+
+270
+00:10:49,983 --> 00:10:50,495
+但是還是很
+
+271
+00:10:51,775 --> 00:10:53,823
+就我們在下面有三種
+
+272
+00:10:54,079 --> 00:10:55,359
+方面的努力
+
+273
+00:10:55,615 --> 00:10:56,383
+第一個
+
+274
+00:10:57,151 --> 00:10:59,455
+我們要提升節能使用的效率
+
+275
+00:11:00,223 --> 00:11:02,015
+我們在2019年訂了
+
+276
+00:11:02,527 --> 00:11:05,599
+120 300定了一個目標就是
+
+277
+00:11:05,855 --> 00:11:09,183
+一個相乘相同製程的量產技術
+
+278
+00:11:09,951 --> 00:11:10,975
+草地一年量產
+
+279
+00:11:11,231 --> 00:11:12,511
+倒地5年兩餐
+
+280
+00:11:12,767 --> 00:11:16,351
+第五年後他的生產效能要提高1倍
+
+281
+00:11:16,863 --> 00:11:17,631
+電目標
+
+282
+00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:21,727
+我們看今天的16奈米我們已經達到16奈米晶
+
+283
+00:11:22,239 --> 00:11:23,007
+超過5年了
+
+284
+00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:25,567
+記得真的量產的5奈米
+
+285
+00:11:25,823 --> 00:11:29,407
+我們預計在2025年也會達到這個目標
+
+286
+00:11:29,663 --> 00:11:30,943
+你就是2025年
+
+287
+00:11:31,199 --> 00:11:32,991
+跟去年相比這種的第一點
+
+288
+00:11:33,503 --> 00:11:34,783
+他生產製程
+
+289
+00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:36,319
+效能要提升
+
+290
+00:11:36,575 --> 00:11:37,087
+背上
+
+291
+00:11:37,343 --> 00:11:39,135
+這是一個是從我們產品的
+
+292
+00:11:39,391 --> 00:11:41,183
+德製程設計發明獎
+
+293
+00:11:41,695 --> 00:11:44,767
+第二個就是我們要擴展很多的節能措施
+
+294
+00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:48,095
+好可以跟他分享在去年那一年當中
+
+295
+00:11:48,607 --> 00:11:49,887
+我們去吃飯一個
+
+296
+00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:51,679
+介紹我那��
+
+297
+00:11:52,191 --> 00:11:52,959
+大雄
+
+298
+00:11:53,471 --> 00:11:54,751
+有洞的評審
+
+299
+00:11:55,007 --> 00:11:57,055
+其實在那個我當作我們就是
+
+300
+00:11:57,311 --> 00:11:58,591
+Call for proposal
+
+301
+00:11:58,847 --> 00:12:01,151
+邀請全部的員工來提案
+
+302
+00:12:01,663 --> 00:12:03,711
+關於謝薩克的面相當中
+
+303
+00:12:04,223 --> 00:12:05,503
+你提出你的想法
+
+304
+00:12:06,271 --> 00:12:08,319
+習慣有785個提案
+
+305
+00:12:08,575 --> 00:12:09,855
+好啦我們辦了一個這個
+
+306
+00:12:10,111 --> 00:12:12,159
+評選然後跟跟班講的
+
+307
+00:12:12,671 --> 00:12:14,463
+這785個當中有
+
+308
+00:12:14,719 --> 00:12:15,743
+460個
+
+309
+00:12:16,255 --> 00:12:18,303
+跟節省電力有關
+
+310
+00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,095
+保全公司都aware
+
+311
+00:12:20,607 --> 00:12:22,655
+那個電力的消耗是一個非常重要的事
+
+312
+00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:28,031
+460巷的這個節能裡面的我們節省了大概惡意多的定
+
+313
+00:12:28,287 --> 00:12:29,055
+51的電影
+
+314
+00:12:29,311 --> 00:12:31,615
+相當於減少250000噸
+
+315
+00:12:31,871 --> 00:12:33,151
+二氧化碳排放
+
+316
+00:12:33,407 --> 00:12:36,479
+UK尺說所有東西掉換成二氧化碳對嗎
+
+317
+00:12:36,991 --> 00:12:39,039
+我們就換成式250000噸
+
+318
+00:12:39,551 --> 00:12:42,111
+這個店佩琪是什麼相當可觀是
+
+319
+00:12:42,623 --> 00:12:43,391
+12.51
+
+320
+00:12:43,903 --> 00:12:44,927
+阿神12.51
+
+321
+00:12:45,183 --> 00:12:47,231
+還有外部成本因為少
+
+322
+00:12:47,487 --> 00:12:48,511
+少少碳排
+
+323
+00:12:48,767 --> 00:12:51,327
+降低的外部的成本是3點吧
+
+324
+00:12:52,351 --> 00:12:54,399
+所以他其實是有立即的效益
+
+325
+00:12:55,423 --> 00:12:58,239
+好再來談談這個使用再生能源
+
+326
+00:12:58,495 --> 00:13:01,055
+我們在去年陳若加入re100
+
+327
+00:13:01,823 --> 00:13:06,943
+R1 100他的意思就是說公司承諾在2050年的時候
+
+328
+00:13:07,199 --> 00:13:10,271
+什麼說使用的店全部100%
+
+329
+00:13:10,527 --> 00:13:12,063
+來自於再生能源
+
+330
+00:13:13,087 --> 00:13:16,671
+其實我們這個這個承諾的時候我們是不是有所有的方案沒有
+
+331
+00:13:17,183 --> 00:13:18,975
+但是我們覺得我們必須承諾
+
+332
+00:13:19,743 --> 00:13:21,535
+我們也是一個終極目標
+
+333
+00:13:21,791 --> 00:13:22,815
+中間的鐘
+
+334
+00:13:23,071 --> 00:13:25,887
+終極目標就是說到2030年的時候
+
+335
+00:13:26,143 --> 00:13:28,959
+文必須達成全公司生產廠房
+
+336
+00:13:29,471 --> 00:13:32,799
+25%的用電量是來自於再生能源
+
+337
+00:13:33,311 --> 00:13:34,079
+同時
+
+338
+00:13:34,335 --> 00:13:37,407
+非生產廠房包含辦公室啊等等
+
+339
+00:13:37,663 --> 00:13:38,687
+還有海外的
+
+340
+00:13:38,943 --> 00:13:39,455
+用電
+
+341
+00:13:39,711 --> 00:13:40,223
+是
+
+342
+00:13:40,479 --> 00:13:42,527
+100%使用再生能源
+
+343
+00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:46,623
+這個非生產廠房及海外的這個生產基地
+
+344
+00:13:47,135 --> 00:13:48,927
+使用100%再生能源
+
+345
+00:13:49,183 --> 00:13:50,463
+去年我們就已經達到了
+
+346
+00:13:52,511 --> 00:13:57,375
+農業希望透過再生能源的這個夠買能夠支持政府的政策
+
+347
+00:13:57,631 --> 00:14:00,703
+其實有很多人我們說他因為什麼你不就開電廠
+
+348
+00:14:01,471 --> 00:14:03,519
+啊你自己開一這個這個這個
+
+349
+00:14:03,775 --> 00:14:05,567
+06本電廠不就好了嗎
+
+350
+00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:12,223
+其實我們知道我們的長處並不是開店長我們的專業是在做晶圓代工製造服務
+
+351
+00:14:12,991 --> 00:14:15,551
+水但是我們希望透過我們會去買
+
+352
+00:14:16,063 --> 00:14:18,367
+承諾買再生能源這件事情
+
+353
+00:14:18,623 --> 00:14:21,183
+效能帶動有人來台灣投資
+
+354
+00:14:21,439 --> 00:14:22,463
+再生能源
+
+355
+00:14:22,975 --> 00:14:24,255
+我的生產跟製造
+
+356
+00:14:25,023 --> 00:14:29,631
+那是上來我們再去年買了一個非常大的風力發電沃旭的窩
+
+357
+00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:32,447
+世上引進國外的技術
+
+358
+00:14:32,703 --> 00:14:37,823
+哪相關的產業的同時也對使用再生能源的信心有有提高
+
+359
+00:14:38,079 --> 00:14:40,127
+舅舅沒有有達到這個目的
+
+360
+00:14:41,151 --> 00:14:43,199
+哪一個比較小的那就是
+
+361
+00:14:44,991 --> 00:14:51,135
+我們自己的場去的屋頂好我們今年吵不能屋頂不能裝在其他精鹽廠以外的污點是可以
+
+362
+00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:52,671
+裝置太陽能板的
+
+363
+00:14:52,927 --> 00:14:58,815
+後面裝了跟我們自己來使用誰在去年的我們心中的太陽能板已經可以容納
+
+364
+00:14:59,327 --> 00:15:00,095
+416
+
+365
+00:15:00,607 --> 00:15:01,119
+前往
+
+366
+00:15:01,631 --> 00:15:02,143
+這個是
+
+367
+00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:04,447
+以上三個���方是我們在
+
+368
+00:15:04,959 --> 00:15:08,543
+台積電作為一個吃草工廠我們所可以採取的一些措施
+
+369
+00:15:09,055 --> 00:15:14,431
+大同時我也觀察台灣的半導體業其實對於自己的議題是相當重視
+
+370
+00:15:14,687 --> 00:15:17,759
+也參與度很高好舉例說明比如說
+
+371
+00:15:18,015 --> 00:15:20,831
+今年參與djsi平本平等的
+
+372
+00:15:21,087 --> 00:15:25,439
+半導體產業跟半導體設備的產業總共有58家
+
+373
+00:15:25,695 --> 00:15:28,511
+其中有7加入選為成份股
+
+374
+00:15:28,767 --> 00:15:31,583
+791動中有4家是台灣公司
+
+375
+00:15:32,095 --> 00:15:35,167
+所以他們公司在半導體產業你們這裡一半以上的路線
+
+376
+00:15:35,423 --> 00:15:37,727
+那就是家飾包含日月光台積電
+
+377
+00:15:38,239 --> 00:15:39,519
+聯電還有穩懋
+
+378
+00:15:39,775 --> 00:15:42,335
+好些我們半導體產業台灣的半導體產業
+
+379
+00:15:42,591 --> 00:15:44,127
+在全世界的第一個
+
+380
+00:15:44,383 --> 00:15:46,431
+Yes的方面的表現是相當亮眼
+
+381
+00:15:49,503 --> 00:15:51,039
+我想請教一下你
+
+382
+00:15:51,295 --> 00:15:55,135
+我要看你說那個金原廠的廠房上面不是地蓋太陽能板
+
+383
+00:15:56,159 --> 00:15:58,719
+是他是他的做進製程的條件不
+
+384
+00:15:58,975 --> 00:16:00,511
+不是啊為什麼是法律規定
+
+385
+00:16:02,559 --> 00:16:05,375
+吃到飽吃到
+
+386
+00:16:05,887 --> 00:16:09,983
+在支持這個台灣的綠能產業機會有昏倒日本
+
+387
+00:16:11,007 --> 00:16:11,519
+協助產業
+
+388
+00:16:11,775 --> 00:16:12,287
+走過創新知
+
+389
+00:16:12,543 --> 00:16:17,919
+世上我覺得台積電在這一塊雖然他們不想自己投資電廠但是我覺得他對你這個產業的
+
+390
+00:16:18,175 --> 00:16:19,455
+幫助上面是吊飾
+
+391
+00:16:19,967 --> 00:16:20,479
+看到有一個
+
+392
+00:16:20,735 --> 00:16:21,247
+有一些作為
+
+393
+00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:23,551
+那再換換
+
+394
+00:16:23,807 --> 00:16:26,367
+我知道了我們來聊聊
+
+395
+00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:27,647
+開始
+
+396
+00:16:28,159 --> 00:16:28,671
+西堤壽有的
+
+397
+00:16:28,927 --> 00:16:29,695
+提到就是除了我們
+
+398
+00:16:29,951 --> 00:16:31,231
+自己的箭牌之外譜
+
+399
+00:16:31,999 --> 00:16:34,303
+可是現在台灣在這一塊好像
+
+400
+00:16:34,559 --> 00:16:36,607
+現在我們看到很多國家都可以做探索
+
+401
+00:16:36,863 --> 00:16:37,631
+碳交易
+
+402
+00:16:37,887 --> 00:16:42,239
+目前台灣這一塊解釋政府目前還沒有訂做一個明確的遊戲規則
+
+403
+00:16:42,751 --> 00:16:43,519
+那智
+
+404
+00:16:43,775 --> 00:16:46,847
+是我自己再跟企業的教練
+
+405
+00:16:47,103 --> 00:16:48,639
+機械製造與他們真的很急
+
+406
+00:16:48,895 --> 00:16:55,039
+那也很怕擔心說政府要用他們說或是用碳交易他們就覺得說那是會這樣他們整個方向不一樣
+
+407
+00:16:55,551 --> 00:16:58,879
+那我不知道像以就什麼你們在金融業強子看到你們對這種這種
+
+408
+00:16:59,135 --> 00:16:59,903
+市場機制人
+
+409
+00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:00,927
+你怎麼去看這個
+
+410
+00:17:01,183 --> 00:17:03,487
+這個所謂的碳補償這個這個
+
+411
+00:17:03,743 --> 00:17:04,511
+這個機制的建立
+
+412
+00:17:06,815 --> 00:17:09,119
+橡皮有蓋子在書裡面有特別的
+
+413
+00:17:09,375 --> 00:17:11,679
+提到要去用市場的力量
+
+414
+00:17:12,191 --> 00:17:16,543
+那市場的力量當然價格的機制就是市場的力量1個
+
+415
+00:17:17,055 --> 00:17:18,591
+很大的展現
+
+416
+00:17:19,103 --> 00:17:19,871
+大陸現在
+
+417
+00:17:20,127 --> 00:17:25,759
+看全世界的國家裡面大概有30個國家已經定有碳歲
+
+418
+00:17:26,271 --> 00:17:29,087
+打另外有31個地區
+
+419
+00:17:29,343 --> 00:17:31,391
+他已經有所謂的碳交易
+
+420
+00:17:31,647 --> 00:17:32,415
+記得這種
+
+421
+00:17:32,671 --> 00:17:33,183
+方世玉
+
+422
+00:17:34,207 --> 00:17:36,511
+包括臉中國都已經宣布
+
+423
+00:17:36,767 --> 00:17:38,815
+他在今年的6月份
+
+424
+00:17:39,071 --> 00:17:39,839
+在上海
+
+425
+00:17:40,095 --> 00:17:41,119
+要退出
+
+426
+00:17:41,375 --> 00:17:41,887
+碳交易的
+
+427
+00:17:42,655 --> 00:17:43,167
+模式出來
+
+428
+00:17:43,935 --> 00:17:46,751
+所以我覺得這是台灣一定要思考的
+
+429
+00:17:47,263 --> 00:17:47,775
+一個
+
+430
+00:17:50,079 --> 00:17:54,687
+當然我們如果往好處與想像剛來副總統特別提到
+
+431
+00:17:54,943 --> 00:17:55,711
+賴桑
+
+432
+00:17:56,223 --> 00:18:02,111
+用了30年的時間重了130公頃的台灣原生樹種
+
+433
+00:18:02,623 --> 00:18:05,439
+那他的經濟來源最重要的當然就重咖啡
+
+434
+00:18:06,207 --> 00:18:07,999
+我在大家應該多喝他的咖啡來自
+
+435
+00:18:08,255 --> 00:18:08,767
+支持他
+
+436
+00:18:09,279 --> 00:18:10,047
+不想到嗎
+
+437
+00:18:10,303 --> 00:18:12,863
+如果台灣有碳交易市場
+
+438
+00:18:13,631 --> 00:18:14,655
+他中文這麼多數
+
+439
+00:18:15,167 --> 00:18:16,447
+他是有碳權的
+
+440
+00:18:16,959 --> 00:18:22,079
+他每年經過一些正式的檢定之後他們也就有足夠的看券
+
+441
+00:18:22,335 --> 00:18:23,359
+碳權
+
+442
+00:18:23,615 --> 00:18:24,895
+是可以拿來做交易的
+
+443
+00:18:25,407 --> 00:18:26,175
+這也是
+
+444
+00:18:26,431 --> 00:18:26,943
+他的一個
+
+445
+00:18:27,199 --> 00:18:27,711
+來源
+
+446
+00:18:27,967 --> 00:18:30,271
+所以也就說減碳
+
+447
+00:18:30,527 --> 00:18:32,319
+它不僅是一個行為
+
+448
+00:18:32,575 --> 00:18:37,439
+他也可以是一個經濟的力量甚至可以說簡單也是一個
+
+449
+00:18:37,695 --> 00:18:38,719
+好的business
+
+450
+00:18:39,231 --> 00:18:41,023
+能夠讓很多人
+
+451
+00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:46,399
+獲取到相當好的利潤然後又可以幫助地球那不是更美好
+
+452
+00:18:47,935 --> 00:18:51,519
+當然在這些看的定價裡面有幾在淡水裡面
+
+453
+00:18:51,775 --> 00:18:53,567
+世界各國國家的差異真的是很
+
+454
+00:18:54,335 --> 00:18:55,615
+好像
+
+455
+00:18:55,871 --> 00:18:56,895
+瑞典的話
+
+456
+00:18:57,151 --> 00:18:57,663
+他
+
+457
+00:18:57,919 --> 00:18:59,967
+1噸的二氧化碳
+
+458
+00:19:00,223 --> 00:19:02,271
+他要客133塊美語
+
+459
+00:19:03,551 --> 00:19:05,087
+我大概要客3800塊美語
+
+460
+00:19:05,855 --> 00:19:08,671
+好那像日本目前的規劃裡面
+
+461
+00:19:08,927 --> 00:19:09,695
+他大概
+
+462
+00:19:09,951 --> 00:19:13,023
+燉的碳歲他的規劃裡面大概是2塊多美
+
+463
+00:19:13,279 --> 00:19:14,559
+大概70幾趴
+
+464
+00:19:15,839 --> 00:19:17,887
+那當然台灣的環保署
+
+465
+00:19:18,143 --> 00:19:19,935
+曾經也有做過研究
+
+466
+00:19:20,191 --> 00:19:22,239
+複委託英國的專業機構來作業
+
+467
+00:19:23,007 --> 00:19:25,567
+那台灣的碳稅如果真的要訂的話
+
+468
+00:19:25,823 --> 00:19:26,591
+大概應該是這
+
+469
+00:19:27,871 --> 00:19:28,895
+好那當然有人講
+
+470
+00:19:29,151 --> 00:19:30,431
+可能那就
+
+471
+00:19:30,943 --> 00:19:31,455
+1噸
+
+472
+00:19:31,711 --> 00:19:32,479
+100塊台幣
+
+473
+00:19:33,247 --> 00:19:35,295
+那當然最後的建議案有提到說
+
+474
+00:19:35,551 --> 00:19:37,343
+我一頓應該大概在10塊美援
+
+475
+00:19:38,111 --> 00:19:39,391
+就是將近300塊
+
+476
+00:19:41,183 --> 00:19:43,231
+剛剛也有問大家說
+
+477
+00:19:43,487 --> 00:19:45,279
+台灣拍了多少噸
+
+478
+00:19:45,791 --> 00:19:47,583
+就我們台灣大概一年
+
+479
+00:19:47,839 --> 00:19:51,167
+大概從2017年18年我每年大概排31
+
+480
+00:19:51,679 --> 00:19:52,703
+噸左右的
+
+481
+00:19:52,959 --> 00:19:54,239
+二氧化碳的當量
+
+482
+00:19:54,751 --> 00:19:56,031
+如果就全世界來講
+
+483
+00:19:56,287 --> 00:19:58,079
+大概佔0.6個percent
+
+484
+00:19:58,591 --> 00:19:59,871
+看起來如果跟我們的經濟體
+
+485
+00:20:00,383 --> 00:20:01,151
+吃起來是還好
+
+486
+00:20:01,919 --> 00:20:03,967
+但是如果用人軍呢
+
+487
+00:20:04,223 --> 00:20:05,503
+王平均鎂
+
+488
+00:20:05,759 --> 00:20:09,599
+一個人一年大概排13公噸的二氧化碳
+
+489
+00:20:09,855 --> 00:20:10,367
+人句哪
+
+490
+00:20:11,135 --> 00:20:12,415
+這是世界平均值
+
+491
+00:20:12,927 --> 00:20:13,439
+兩杯1
+
+492
+00:20:14,463 --> 00:20:15,999
+其實也表示
+
+493
+00:20:16,255 --> 00:20:22,399
+我們不僅在產業包括我們各人的行為的食衣住行育樂
+
+494
+00:20:22,655 --> 00:20:23,423
+大概
+
+495
+00:20:23,679 --> 00:20:24,703
+台灣都會有很大的
+
+496
+00:20:24,959 --> 00:20:25,983
+提升的空間
+
+497
+00:20:26,751 --> 00:20:31,871
+但是台灣在碳的排放裡面他有一個很不均勻的分配
+
+498
+00:20:32,127 --> 00:20:33,919
+當我提到三1噸
+
+499
+00:20:34,175 --> 00:20:35,455
+哪個未知道
+
+500
+00:20:35,711 --> 00:20:39,807
+全台灣前十大排碳的功
+
+501
+00:20:40,063 --> 00:20:40,575
+思
+
+502
+00:20:41,855 --> 00:20:43,135
+他就排了一頓了
+
+503
+00:20:43,903 --> 00:20:45,951
+石家公司就站了
+
+504
+00:20:46,207 --> 00:20:49,279
+一一頓就佔了三分之一台灣整體的排碳量
+
+505
+00:20:50,303 --> 00:20:51,071
+當然
+
+506
+00:20:51,327 --> 00:20:54,143
+政府一定會思考瓦那我探索一下去
+
+507
+00:20:54,655 --> 00:20:57,471
+最大的哪一家公司他們一年排熱量
+
+508
+00:20:58,751 --> 00:21:00,287
+兩千多萬
+
+509
+00:21:00,543 --> 00:21:01,311
+公噸啊
+
+510
+00:21:02,079 --> 00:21:04,895
+對他一家就拍了台灣的大概8個person
+
+511
+00:21:05,407 --> 00:21:09,247
+那前十大每一家大概都是大概都超過3個字
+
+512
+00:21:11,295 --> 00:21:15,391
+那所以這個的話是不是對這一些企業的影響一下子
+
+513
+00:21:15,647 --> 00:21:16,416
+是直接會太大
+
+514
+00:21:17,184 --> 00:21:17,696
+所以
+
+515
+00:21:17,952 --> 00:21:19,488
+和的交易市場
+
+516
+00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,024
+可能也是一個好的
+
+517
+00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:21,792
+的方式
+
+518
+00:21:22,048 --> 00:21:22,816
+而且
+
+519
+00:21:23,328 --> 00:21:24,352
+現在開始
+
+520
+00:21:24,608 --> 00:21:25,120
+樂客
+
+521
+00:21:25,376 --> 00:21:25,888
+旱地
+
+522
+00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,168
+冠穗樓
+
+523
+00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,240
+2023年開始
+
+524
+00:21:30,752 --> 00:21:34,592
+要克碳的關水用的東西賣到我們去
+
+525
+00:21:34,848 --> 00:21:36,384
+他有跟你客碳關稅
+
+526
+00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,480
+所以台灣一定要在這個部分做一個非常好的
+
+527
+00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:42,528
+好的
+
+528
+00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,064
+應該是
+
+529
+00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,600
+我們必須要做的
+
+530
+00:21:47,648 --> 00:21:48,160
+當然
+
+531
+00:21:48,416 --> 00:21:52,512
+如果我們從金融的眼光來看的話
+
+532
+00:21:52,768 --> 00:21:55,584
+如果未來有這一些碳交易的話
+
+533
+00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,632
+當然在這裡面一定要複習
+
+534
+00:21:57,888 --> 00:21:58,656
+他的責任啊
+
+535
+00:21:58,912 --> 00:22:00,960
+碳交易怎麼來做定價
+
+536
+00:22:01,216 --> 00:22:02,752
+LINE上有碳權
+
+537
+00:22:03,008 --> 00:22:06,848
+他沒有拿到探險他沒有賣之前可不可以拿來跟銀行抵押解
+
+538
+00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:08,896
+因為我有碳權啊
+
+539
+00:22:09,408 --> 00:22:13,504
+或是顧客如果要買賣蛋捲不知道怎麼買賣
+
+540
+00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:14,784
+那可不可以委遊
+
+541
+00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:20,928
+金融機構也帶緯來做服務或是做探險的各方面的諮詢顧問的工作
+
+542
+00:22:21,184 --> 00:22:25,792
+我覺得這個在世界上的金融機構已經很多都開始在
+
+543
+00:22:26,304 --> 00:22:29,120
+也就說讚綠色金融的這一部分
+
+544
+00:22:29,632 --> 00:22:35,264
+媽這些不管是碳權碳交易的部分一定也是金融非常重要的
+
+545
+00:22:36,544 --> 00:22:39,104
+那另外如果提到綠色金融
+
+546
+00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:40,640
+我覺得對
+
+547
+00:22:40,896 --> 00:22:42,944
+一個金融服務業的本身來講
+
+548
+00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,504
+是比較簡單因為我們是服務業
+
+549
+00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,040
+最基本上我們排的
+
+550
+00:22:47,296 --> 00:22:47,808
+碳量是
+
+551
+00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:48,832
+比較少的
+
+552
+00:22:49,344 --> 00:22:51,648
+玉山也在這個禮拜一
+
+553
+00:22:51,904 --> 00:22:57,536
+我們也對外宣示我們已經加入了科學基礎減碳目標的倡議
+
+554
+00:22:58,560 --> 00:22:59,840
+我們會在
+
+555
+00:23:00,352 --> 00:23:02,912
+2027年就6年後
+
+556
+00:23:03,168 --> 00:23:06,496
+我們所有自由的建築全部都會是綠建築
+
+557
+00:23:07,264 --> 00:23:09,568
+那我們從今年開始
+
+558
+00:23:09,824 --> 00:23:10,592
+我們
+
+559
+00:23:10,848 --> 00:23:15,712
+至少要有10趴的綠能的使用到2030年
+
+560
+00:23:16,224 --> 00:23:18,272
+我們全部都要使用綠能
+
+561
+00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,344
+我去我們用電量也還算好而已
+
+562
+00:23:21,856 --> 00:23:25,184
+那我們希望玉山在2050年
+
+563
+00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,232
+可以進零排放
+
+564
+00:23:27,488 --> 00:23:30,048
+那這個淨零排放的影響就很大了
+
+565
+00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,328
+因為
+
+566
+00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,680
+在國際上對金融的要求不只是你自己用的
+
+567
+00:23:35,936 --> 00:23:36,960
+用電而已
+
+568
+00:23:37,216 --> 00:23:38,240
+包括說
+
+569
+00:23:38,496 --> 00:23:40,032
+假設我貸款
+
+570
+00:23:40,288 --> 00:23:42,336
+給一個排碳大戶好了
+
+571
+00:23:43,104 --> 00:23:44,896
+那我就給他11好了
+
+572
+00:23:45,408 --> 00:23:47,712
+他總共的資產假設是110號
+
+573
+00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,272
+那我就佔他的十分之一
+
+574
+00:23:51,296 --> 00:23:54,112
+這個公司的排碳量的十分之一
+
+575
+00:23:54,368 --> 00:23:55,648
+算玉山的
+
+576
+00:23:57,184 --> 00:23:59,232
+所以說我就可以想一想
+
+577
+00:23:59,488 --> 00:24:00,768
+我們吃了這麼多款
+
+578
+00:24:01,024 --> 00:24:01,792
+台灣
+
+579
+00:24:02,048 --> 00:24:03,584
+很多的企業我們就有借款啊
+
+580
+00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,888
+他的排碳量我們一定有份額嗎
+
+581
+00:24:06,656 --> 00:24:09,728
+那另外的話我沒有很多投資啊
+
+582
+00:24:10,496 --> 00:24:16,384
+也很簡單假設你投資這家公司是percent的股權那答案是一樣的
+
+583
+00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,712
+他的排碳量10分之一就算你的
+
+584
+00:24:20,224 --> 00:24:25,344
+這是國際上希望金融可以發揮他的影響力
+
+585
+00:24:25,856 --> 00:24:26,368
+所以
+
+586
+00:24:26,624 --> 00:24:32,768
+文所謂的2050年與山藥淨零排碳是把我們的不可以要加
+
+587
+00:24:33,024 --> 00:24:33,792
+加進來算
+
+588
+00:24:35,072 --> 00:24:36,096
+所以
+
+589
+00:24:37,632 --> 00:24:41,216
+非常值得長生應該講
+
+590
+00:24:41,472 --> 00:24:44,032
+我有台灣整理做到玉山才可以做的
+
+591
+00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,336
+這是我們的軒是啦
+
+592
+00:24:46,592 --> 00:24:47,616
+你就說
+
+593
+00:24:47,872 --> 00:24:51,200
+當我台灣的企業為台灣的政策沒有辦法使破
+
+594
+00:24:51,456 --> 00:24:53,760
+2050年零排碳的話
+
+595
+00:24:54,016 --> 00:24:57,600
+馬玉山的承諾我們一定會盡最大的努力來做
+
+596
+00:24:57,856 --> 00:25:00,928
+但是一定是台灣要乘體有共識
+
+597
+00:25:01,184 --> 00:25:02,976
+大家一起往這個方向做
+
+598
+00:25:03,232 --> 00:25:04,256
+才可以做得好
+
+599
+00:25:04,512 --> 00:25:06,048
+那最後我再藉用
+
+600
+00:25:06,304 --> 00:25:08,608
+昨天張忠謀董事長
+
+601
+00:25:08,864 --> 00:25:11,168
+在演講的時候有特別提到
+
+602
+00:25:11,936 --> 00:25:13,984
+摩爾定律為什麼會長針
+
+603
+00:25:15,264 --> 00:25:21,408
+是因為它在1965年提出來的時候就有真知灼見覺得一定是這個樣子嗎
+
+604
+00:25:22,176 --> 00:25:23,200
+倒也不是
+
+605
+00:25:23,456 --> 00:25:25,248
+Morris的解釋是因為
+
+606
+00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,040
+所有的
+
+607
+00:25:27,296 --> 00:25:28,064
+半導體產業
+
+608
+00:25:29,088 --> 00:25:30,368
+大家都認為
+
+609
+00:25:30,624 --> 00:25:32,416
+我的競爭對手會這樣做
+
+610
+00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,720
+你說他都會覺得
+
+611
+00:25:34,976 --> 00:25:36,768
+就是18個月就是要打薄嗎
+
+612
+00:25:37,024 --> 00:25:42,400
+所有的製程所有的想法你如果沒有做到你在這個產業就沒有競爭力了
+
+613
+00:25:42,912 --> 00:25:43,680
+所以
+
+614
+00:25:43,936 --> 00:25:45,984
+大甲九一起坐到了
+
+615
+00:25:46,752 --> 00:25:51,360
+那我覺得今天在我們對林排他的倡議裡面
+
+616
+00:25:51,616 --> 00:25:53,664
+或許也會有這樣的效果
+
+617
+00:25:54,176 --> 00:26:00,320
+當更多的國家更多的企業更多的個人都覺得這件事情我們把它定為木
+
+618
+00:26:00,576 --> 00:26:01,088
+目標
+
+619
+00:26:01,344 --> 00:26:03,648
+到最後集合眾人之力
+
+620
+00:26:03,904 --> 00:26:04,672
+夢想
+
+621
+00:26:05,184 --> 00:26:06,464
+就有可能會成真
+
+622
+00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,744
+讓我們一起努力吧
+
+623
+00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:08,512
+謝謝
+
+624
+00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,584
+世界JoJo
+
+625
+00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,656
+幫我們帶不希望環境這件事情是
+
+626
+00:26:14,912 --> 00:26:21,056
+恐怖平衡造成的但是基本上我們還是非常期待這樣子那個機制的力量讓我們可以用
+
+627
+00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,104
+淨零排放的家園
+
+628
+00:26:23,872 --> 00:26:30,016
+剛才知道有提到就是我我再去年的時候就是有信託他們找我去參加台積電的一個縣
+
+629
+00:26:30,272 --> 00:26:33,344
+評審然後我那時候真的那一場評審會我真的
+
+630
+00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,160
+對他一定改觀了他們做了很多事情是
+
+631
+00:26:36,416 --> 00:26:41,536
+比較低調他都比較沒有對外講很多員工是上湯不止在公司內
+
+632
+00:26:41,792 --> 00:26:44,864
+想一些減排和節能的幫他甚至氣供應商那邊
+
+633
+00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:46,656
+放空你講了很多
+
+634
+00:26:46,912 --> 00:26:51,264
+很多2間所以上台積電在台灣產業的影響律師
+
+635
+00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,544
+比我們想像中的大亨
+
+636
+00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,592
+很多所以我比較想
+
+637
+00:26:54,848 --> 00:27:00,992
+請問全家有啦就說對於綠色供應鏈這一塊要去我所知你們每次在開Google那個供應商大會有什麼
+
+638
+00:27:01,248 --> 00:27:04,064
+大都會號召就是
+
+639
+00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,904
+是被射會不會下有一起來來來來做這個綠色這一個
+
+640
+00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,208
+就說台電這次會到底
+
+641
+00:27:10,464 --> 00:27:11,744
+你們的想法是什麼然後你們
+
+642
+00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:12,512
+你現在做了哪些
+
+643
+00:27:15,072 --> 00:27:17,632
+去年的供應商大會我有參加
+
+644
+00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,704
+我去的目的就是宣誓
+
+645
+00:27:21,472 --> 00:27:23,520
+台積電對折任供應鏈的中史
+
+646
+00:27:24,032 --> 00:27:27,104
+同事也告訴我所有的供應商面有700多加代謝
+
+647
+00:27:28,128 --> 00:27:29,408
+我們的他們的要求
+
+648
+00:27:29,664 --> 00:27:30,432
+回頭過啊
+
+649
+00:27:30,944 --> 00:27:31,456
+鼓勵
+
+650
+00:27:31,968 --> 00:27:34,016
+輔導跟集合的方式
+
+651
+00:27:34,528 --> 00:27:36,064
+馬來西亞著他們一起
+
+652
+00:27:37,856 --> 00:27:38,624
+綠色供應鏈
+
+653
+00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:40,672
+哪一隊
+
+654
+00:27:41,696 --> 00:27:43,744
+詳細說明下我們的供應商是用什麼
+
+655
+00:27:45,024 --> 00:27:45,536
+從他們
+
+656
+00:27:46,048 --> 00:27:49,120
+一個我們在2016年開始我們就跟
+
+657
+00:27:49,376 --> 00:27:51,424
+供應商的設備廠商油漆少
+
+658
+00:27:51,936 --> 00:27:54,752
+合作開發半導體的綠色幾台
+
+659
+00:27:56,288 --> 00:28:02,432
+我們是全球第一家要求設備廠商對先進製程導入節能措施
+
+660
+00:28:02,688 --> 00:28:03,712
+是的半導體企業
+
+661
+00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,552
+我們也替她們設一個目標
+
+662
+00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,088
+就是
+
+663
+00:28:09,344 --> 00:28:11,136
+在2030年以前
+
+664
+00:28:11,648 --> 00:28:12,672
+他必須
+
+665
+00:28:12,928 --> 00:28:14,464
+節能20%
+
+666
+00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,256
+要打20目標
+
+667
+00:28:16,768 --> 00:28:18,304
+這是我們採購的標準
+
+668
+00:28:18,816 --> 00:28:20,096
+也就是說如果
+
+669
+00:28:20,352 --> 00:28:21,376
+沒有達到的話
+
+670
+00:28:22,144 --> 00:28:24,448
+靜宜台積電使用他的說他會處理一個筆
+
+671
+00:28:24,704 --> 00:28:25,216
+要不利地位
+
+672
+00:28:25,984 --> 00:28:26,496
+這是第一點
+
+673
+00:28:27,776 --> 00:28:31,104
+6點我們是每年都辦很多聯討會
+
+674
+00:28:31,616 --> 00:28:33,664
+現在我們已經超過100場連好
+
+675
+00:28:34,944 --> 00:28:35,456
+那
+
+676
+00:28:35,968 --> 00:28:39,808
+頂好會的目的那就是跟廠商溝通
+
+677
+00:28:40,064 --> 00:28:41,600
+台積電的決心
+
+678
+00:28:41,856 --> 00:28:43,392
+我希望廠商能夠
+
+679
+00:28:43,904 --> 00:28:46,464
+傳輸更多更創新的節能方案
+
+680
+00:28:47,232 --> 00:28:48,768
+我們可以擴大根生化
+
+681
+00:28:49,024 --> 00:28:52,864
+整個供應鏈的這個節能的減碳的意思跟效果
+
+682
+00:28:53,888 --> 00:28:56,960
+第三個是我們劉董事長室
+
+683
+00:28:57,216 --> 00:29:00,032
+Tsia台灣半導體協會的理事長
+
+684
+00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,104
+他在2019年的大回他
+
+685
+00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,384
+發表一個宣言
+
+686
+00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,920
+叫做高科技
+
+687
+00:29:06,688 --> 00:29:08,224
+節能減碳宣言
+
+688
+00:29:08,992 --> 00:29:10,528
+那同時呢我們
+
+689
+00:29:11,296 --> 00:29:12,320
+也提出了
+
+690
+00:29:12,576 --> 00:29:15,136
+在2025年以前所有的會員
+
+691
+00:29:15,392 --> 00:29:15,904
+公司
+
+692
+00:29:16,416 --> 00:29:17,952
+洗完一起能夠達到
+
+693
+00:29:18,464 --> 00:29:24,096
+都能夠qualify ISO 50001 50001這是關於節能減碳的地標
+
+694
+00:29:24,352 --> 00:29:25,120
+一個標準
+
+695
+00:29:25,632 --> 00:29:28,192
+希望80%的公司都能夠參加
+
+696
+00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,984
+50001
+
+697
+00:29:30,496 --> 00:29:31,520
+同時呢
+
+698
+00:29:32,032 --> 00:29:34,080
+溫室氣體的削減率
+
+699
+00:29:34,592 --> 00:29:36,896
+希望能夠達到85%
+
+700
+00:29:37,664 --> 00:29:40,992
+其實這個宣言之後呢我們看看今天的成果
+
+701
+00:29:41,504 --> 00:29:42,272
+其實
+
+702
+00:29:42,784 --> 00:29:43,808
+超越目標
+
+703
+00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,880
+到今天為止已經有71%的公司
+
+704
+00:29:47,392 --> 00:29:49,952
+參加了ISO 50001的鍵值
+
+705
+00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,232
+同時
+
+706
+00:29:51,488 --> 00:29:54,048
+溫室氣體消簡易也達到板子把手
+
+707
+00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,352
+姐夫魚缸丟講的
+
+708
+00:29:56,864 --> 00:29:59,936
+大家如果都覺得這是該做的事情一起去做
+
+709
+00:30:00,192 --> 00:30:01,216
+他就會超前
+
+710
+00:30:02,752 --> 00:30:08,384
+腦子都是開端啦我們還是希望虎一更多的廠商能夠參加re100
+
+711
+00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,664
+當然其實
+
+712
+00:30:10,176 --> 00:30:14,016
+大家心裡都會有點疑慮說我們台灣的綠能供應很少
+
+713
+00:30:14,528 --> 00:30:16,320
+我們如何能夠達到
+
+714
+00:30:16,832 --> 00:30:20,160
+但是我相信如果更多的人參加的話我們可以
+
+715
+00:30:20,416 --> 00:30:22,976
+帶動更多的綠能產業的加入
+
+716
+00:30:23,232 --> 00:30:25,024
+老然後配合政府的政策
+
+717
+00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,048
+我們才有可能
+
+718
+00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,352
+謝回想起來我們當初
+
+719
+00:30:28,608 --> 00:30:31,168
+要承諾這個啊100的時候
+
+720
+00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,520
+我要製定這個令人目標說同人都非常的猶豫
+
+721
+00:30:36,032 --> 00:30:38,592
+有那所有台灣的綠能供應非常的少
+
+722
+00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,688
+真的我們還要面臨跟台電一起長綠能的
+
+723
+00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,480
+這樣的一個情況
+
+724
+00:30:44,736 --> 00:30:49,600
+但是我們也不知不覺的風力發電是可行的應該在台灣的比例很低
+
+725
+00:30:50,112 --> 00:30:53,184
+可是當我們決定要做的時候你看我們居然可以吧
+
+726
+00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,488
+我需要的廠商帶進台灣來
+
+727
+00:30:56,256 --> 00:30:58,816
+好做這個風力發電所以我相信這一個
+
+728
+00:30:59,328 --> 00:31:01,632
+只要大家願意做一起來做
+
+729
+00:31:02,144 --> 00:31:03,680
+我會做得比我們想的要好
+
+730
+00:31:05,984 --> 00:31:12,128
+好那另外呢主任供應鏈方面好好剛剛提到我們現在正在往這個敬禮
+
+731
+00:31:12,384 --> 00:31:14,176
+0排碳的這個目標前進
+
+732
+00:31:14,688 --> 00:31:17,504
+其中有一塊很需要做的事情就是對
+
+733
+00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,808
+我們的供應鏈作碳足跡盤查
+
+734
+00:31:20,576 --> 00:31:22,112
+這是我們未來1兩年內
+
+735
+00:31:22,368 --> 00:31:24,928
+這樣重要一件事情我們希望能夠透過
+
+736
+00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,768
+好這個盤查那個對我們供應鏈所產生的都碳
+
+737
+00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,072
+的量能不做進一步的了解
+
+738
+00:31:31,328 --> 00:31:32,352
+我從來我們可以
+
+739
+00:31:32,608 --> 00:31:33,632
+跟他一起合作
+
+740
+00:31:34,144 --> 00:31:35,936
+來跟他一起合作把這個探險
+
+741
+00:31:36,192 --> 00:31:39,008
+檢調上是我們在供應鏈方面
+
+742
+00:31:39,264 --> 00:31:40,544
+首座離些事情
+
+743
+00:31:42,336 --> 00:31:43,616
+台積電的下載
+
+744
+00:31:43,872 --> 00:31:44,640
+台灣產業界
+
+745
+00:31:45,664 --> 00:31:49,760
+動見觀瞻後就是他做一個動作或是他有一個承諾是上他影響的
+
+746
+00:31:50,272 --> 00:31:50,784
+不只還加工
+
+747
+00:31:51,808 --> 00:31:53,600
+很多的周遭的產業是不是那個圓
+
+748
+00:31:53,856 --> 00:31:54,368
+園區都會背影
+
+749
+00:31:55,136 --> 00:31:57,440
+大概就是有提到就是說
+
+750
+00:31:57,696 --> 00:31:58,208
+我們20 50
+
+751
+00:31:58,464 --> 00:32:00,000
+探探中有蛋
+
+752
+00:32:00,256 --> 00:32:01,280
+夜市唱
+
+753
+00:32:01,536 --> 00:32:03,328
+玉山去年的時候就說他要
+
+754
+00:32:03,584 --> 00:32:04,096
+投資要退出
+
+755
+00:32:04,864 --> 00:32:05,632
+高寒
+
+756
+00:32:06,656 --> 00:32:07,424
+我就在想說
+
+757
+00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,240
+這個喊出來雖然說是還蠻
+
+758
+00:32:10,496 --> 00:32:12,032
+這個這樣子的尊敬
+
+759
+00:32:12,288 --> 00:32:15,104
+但是他是怎麼克服它內部的
+
+760
+00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,712
+面相看同人他要出去處理貸款他他是不是他要收錢啦
+
+761
+00:32:19,968 --> 00:32:23,040
+電子檔的它的生意著它包括剛才
+
+762
+00:32:23,296 --> 00:32:26,112
+22路提到台積電要訂這個啊100種內褲
+
+763
+00:32:26,368 --> 00:32:27,648
+梧桐人也會有很多的烤鴨
+
+764
+00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:34,304
+所以我不知道說向您玉山在做這個責任真投資人受訓的時候第一個你怎麼樣去時間這件事情
+
+765
+00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,096
+那不要怎樣去客服
+
+766
+00:32:37,632 --> 00:32:38,656
+然後讓大家都有同一
+
+767
+00:32:40,448 --> 00:32:46,336
+我們在esg的這個是是上面我們大概有1個3愛的原則
+
+768
+00:32:46,848 --> 00:32:48,640
+好久的一個ic innovation
+
+769
+00:32:48,896 --> 00:32:49,920
+有沒有什麼創新
+
+770
+00:32:50,176 --> 00:32:50,688
+Idea
+
+771
+00:32:51,456 --> 00:32:54,016
+那第二個的話就integration
+
+772
+00:32:54,528 --> 00:32:58,112
+那我們能結合我的顧客我的合作夥伴我的員工一
+
+773
+00:32:59,392 --> 00:33:01,184
+那第三個愛是音符文
+
+774
+00:33:01,952 --> 00:33:03,488
+你就說那
+
+775
+00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,280
+可不可以更有影響力
+
+776
+00:33:05,792 --> 00:33:08,352
+我覺得啊我們國人都很客氣
+
+777
+00:33:08,608 --> 00:33:11,168
+就說個人為善都不欲人知
+
+778
+00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,240
+但是我覺得企業在做esg
+
+779
+00:33:14,496 --> 00:33:15,264
+應該要
+
+780
+00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:16,032
+拋磚引玉
+
+781
+00:33:16,288 --> 00:33:16,800
+雨啦
+
+782
+00:33:17,056 --> 00:33:18,592
+我就把好的做法讓大家可以
+
+783
+00:33:18,848 --> 00:33:19,360
+可以互相的啦
+
+784
+00:33:20,384 --> 00:33:21,664
+那鼻子也互相的7
+
+785
+00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,432
+切磋
+
+786
+00:33:22,688 --> 00:33:26,016
+所以在玉山的內部我們每年的第四季
+
+787
+00:33:26,272 --> 00:33:28,576
+都要做所謂的策略規劃
+
+788
+00:33:28,832 --> 00:33:30,624
+就是未來的一年未來的三年
+
+789
+00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,392
+我們要做哪些
+
+790
+00:33:32,672 --> 00:33:34,720
+辣妹一個部門每一個產品線
+
+791
+00:33:34,976 --> 00:33:36,256
+都必須提出
+
+792
+00:33:36,512 --> 00:33:37,536
+他對ES
+
+793
+00:33:37,792 --> 00:33:39,072
+要有哪
+
+794
+00:33:39,328 --> 00:33:40,096
+哪些新的做
+
+795
+00:33:41,632 --> 00:33:43,168
+這也是在各個部門的
+
+796
+00:33:44,192 --> 00:33:47,008
+這個我就可以看到為什麼沒有林泰信用卡
+
+797
+00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:48,544
+對啊信用卡是幾題
+
+798
+00:33:49,056 --> 00:33:50,080
+這個我可以
+
+799
+00:33:51,104 --> 00:33:52,384
+或是像我們今年
+
+800
+00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,456
+開始對顧客做一SG的倡議
+
+801
+00:33:55,712 --> 00:33:56,992
+我要請企業顧客
+
+802
+00:33:57,248 --> 00:33:57,760
+是誰提的
+
+803
+00:33:58,016 --> 00:33:59,040
+企業金融自己體
+
+804
+00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,624
+然後像我們的個人金融就覺得
+
+805
+00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,208
+沒那我們台灣最近不是危老重建
+
+806
+00:34:06,464 --> 00:34:07,232
+很重要嗎
+
+807
+00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,560
+那我們個人金融已經有50個人
+
+808
+00:34:10,816 --> 00:34:11,328
+去考取
+
+809
+00:34:11,584 --> 00:34:13,376
+危老的鬧證照啦
+
+810
+00:34:13,888 --> 00:34:14,656
+那我們要不要
+
+811
+00:34:14,912 --> 00:34:16,192
+就以做為老
+
+812
+00:34:16,448 --> 00:34:20,800
+這種把台灣的建築來改造來當作是我們1sg的現象
+
+813
+00:34:21,056 --> 00:34:22,336
+所以就說
+
+814
+00:34:22,592 --> 00:34:23,104
+第一個
+
+815
+00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,920
+當然啊領導階層會有你的想
+
+816
+00:34:26,176 --> 00:34:27,968
+但是你只要有一個
+
+817
+00:34:28,224 --> 00:34:29,760
+好的流程製度的話
+
+818
+00:34:30,016 --> 00:34:30,528
+其實
+
+819
+00:34:30,784 --> 00:34:32,064
+永和多人會幫你想好
+
+820
+00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,344
+好的好的
+
+821
+00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,904
+那當然最後一定會經過評估
+
+822
+00:34:36,416 --> 00:34:37,184
+來做一個十
+
+823
+00:34:38,208 --> 00:34:38,720
+好這是第一個
+
+824
+00:34:39,488 --> 00:34:41,280
+6個其實我們也精彩
+
+825
+00:34:42,048 --> 00:34:43,584
+會看很多國際的
+
+826
+00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,352
+規範
+
+827
+00:34:44,864 --> 00:34:46,656
+好像剛好在家
+
+828
+00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,704
+就是道瓊永續指
+
+829
+00:34:49,728 --> 00:34:51,008
+那這是一種
+
+830
+00:34:51,264 --> 00:34:52,544
+應該說評審
+
+831
+00:34:53,056 --> 00:34:54,592
+啊你去看看你那麼
+
+832
+00:34:54,848 --> 00:34:58,688
+木耳能不能進得去啊那我們很高興我們在2014年
+
+833
+00:34:58,944 --> 00:35:00,992
+和美勁道了道瓊永續指數
+
+834
+00:35:01,248 --> 00:35:02,528
+到目前連續幾年
+
+835
+00:35:02,784 --> 00:35:03,296
+也都在
+
+836
+00:35:03,552 --> 00:35:06,880
+當然我們覺得我們是台灣金融業的第一家
+
+837
+00:35:07,136 --> 00:35:11,488
+對知道嗎當玉山進了道瓊永續指數之後
+
+838
+00:35:12,256 --> 00:35:13,792
+我們的競爭同業在做什麼
+
+839
+00:35:15,328 --> 00:35:16,608
+立刻到處在打聽
+
+840
+00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:17,632
+玉山行
+
+841
+00:35:19,424 --> 00:35:21,472
+為什麼他們可以進道瓊永續指數
+
+842
+00:35:21,728 --> 00:35:24,032
+那難道我們就不行嗎
+
+843
+00:35:24,544 --> 00:35:26,592
+對看看現在金融有幾家在道瓊
+
+844
+00:35:28,896 --> 00:35:31,200
+至少我我的機裡面大概
+
+845
+00:35:31,456 --> 00:35:32,224
+6 7加1
+
+846
+00:35:32,992 --> 00:35:36,320
+他也在台灣的金融業有一個非常好的良性循環
+
+847
+00:35:36,576 --> 00:35:38,368
+那我覺得也非常好
+
+848
+00:35:38,624 --> 00:35:41,184
+不是剛剛都來講的啊re100
+
+849
+00:35:41,696 --> 00:35:44,512
+那其實當初我們
+
+850
+00:35:44,768 --> 00:35:46,816
+他100有一些討論
+
+851
+00:35:47,072 --> 00:35:48,352
+我還覺得金融業
+
+852
+00:35:48,608 --> 00:35:50,144
+他們要訂那個規範
+
+853
+00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,448
+他們還在摸索定規範裡
+
+854
+00:35:53,216 --> 00:35:55,520
+暫時不接受金融
+
+855
+00:35:55,776 --> 00:35:59,104
+你就講他不接受金融業我們還是要先試啊
+
+856
+00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,432
+所以啊我覺得他應該有異曲同工之妙
+
+857
+00:36:03,456 --> 00:36:07,040
+我這有一個像我們在2015年加入赤道原則
+
+858
+00:36:07,552 --> 00:36:13,696
+哪知道原則也是一個自發性的組織也就說你這個銀行如果做一比爾專案
+
+859
+00:36:13,952 --> 00:36:16,256
+一款只要超過10000000美元的話
+
+860
+00:36:16,512 --> 00:36:18,816
+你一定要去評估對環境的影響
+
+861
+00:36:19,328 --> 00:36:20,352
+對社會的影響
+
+862
+00:36:20,608 --> 00:36:21,888
+你要去做評估
+
+863
+00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,776
+所以我們加入了這一個組織之後我們開始那不就很多學習的
+
+864
+00:36:28,032 --> 00:36:30,080
+因為他的確是要經過學習
+
+865
+00:36:30,848 --> 00:36:33,408
+後來為什麼玉山在綠能的部分
+
+866
+00:36:33,664 --> 00:36:36,480
+還算做得相當的不錯尤其在離岸風電
+
+867
+00:36:36,736 --> 00:36:39,296
+我們先整體的綠能我們整體
+
+868
+00:36:39,552 --> 00:36:43,136
+所參與授信案子大概已經到4800
+
+869
+00:36:43,648 --> 00:36:44,416
+Mega One
+
+870
+00:36:44,672 --> 00:36:46,720
+我也算是一個不錯的成績
+
+871
+00:36:46,976 --> 00:36:48,256
+好尤其在離岸風電
+
+872
+00:36:48,512 --> 00:36:51,072
+王算是台灣很重要的先行者
+
+873
+00:36:51,584 --> 00:36:52,864
+我最主要是因為
+
+874
+00:36:53,632 --> 00:36:56,192
+他要求你評估的你在赤道原則
+
+875
+00:36:56,448 --> 00:36:57,984
+都已經在評估了
+
+876
+00:36:58,496 --> 00:36:59,264
+然後
+
+877
+00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,848
+後來我們也根據吃到原則在澳洲做電廠
+
+878
+00:37:03,104 --> 00:37:04,128
+在美國做電廠
+
+879
+00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,944
+所以我們學習了很多的經驗
+
+880
+00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,808
+所以有時候我也在想如果你從一個長期的眼光來看的確
+
+881
+00:37:12,064 --> 00:37:16,928
+因為你自己的要求比較高你會失去了一些業務的
+
+882
+00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,536
+機會但是也因為你失去的這些業務的機會讓你有更多的學習
+
+883
+00:37:22,048 --> 00:37:22,560
+因為
+
+884
+00:37:22,816 --> 00:37:24,864
+你還是要求獲利要提升嗎
+
+885
+00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,216
+所以會有很多學習的機會所以你也會找到一條
+
+886
+00:37:29,472 --> 00:37:31,008
+更好的露出來
+
+887
+00:37:31,264 --> 00:37:36,384
+好這是我們的感覺那當然如果就一個金融業來講大概3大會
+
+888
+00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,944
+一個就是所謂的責任授信
+
+889
+00:37:39,456 --> 00:37:40,736
+那你怎麼去確保
+
+890
+00:37:40,992 --> 00:37:42,016
+你的授信
+
+891
+00:37:42,272 --> 00:37:45,344
+是對社會是有意的對環境保護是有益的
+
+892
+00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,368
+和室
+
+893
+00:37:46,624 --> 00:37:48,160
+把傷害降到最低
+
+894
+00:37:48,928 --> 00:37:51,232
+那第二個就是責任頭
+
+895
+00:37:52,256 --> 00:37:56,096
+我那當然包括我們的顧客很很多時候他要投資基金啊
+
+896
+00:37:56,608 --> 00:37:59,168
+那我們怎麼樣去幫他挑選
+
+897
+00:37:59,424 --> 00:38:00,192
+Esg的g
+
+898
+00:38:00,448 --> 00:38:06,592
+基金或是玉山自己也有很多投資的業務啊我們怎麼去挑選那我們投資
+
+899
+00:38:06,848 --> 00:38:09,920
+我這個標的物它是不是道瓊永續指數的成份股啊
+
+900
+00:38:10,176 --> 00:38:12,224
+或是他是msci
+
+901
+00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,808
+我在USB裡面是一個非常好的表現啊
+
+902
+00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,088
+Ar70
+
+903
+00:38:17,344 --> 00:38:18,624
+我們從
+
+904
+00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:19,648
+去年開始
+
+905
+00:38:19,904 --> 00:38:22,976
+也對玉山長期持有的股權
+
+906
+00:38:23,488 --> 00:38:27,328
+我們也都會主義的寫信給他們的負責任
+
+907
+00:38:27,584 --> 00:38:30,144
+就告訴他們把我們是他們的長期
+
+908
+00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:30,912
+七股東
+
+909
+00:38:31,168 --> 00:38:35,008
+玉山很希望大家一起把esg把它做好
+
+910
+00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,032
+寫信有用嗎
+
+911
+00:38:37,056 --> 00:38:38,336
+70個未知道有
+
+912
+00:38:39,104 --> 00:38:42,688
+上市櫃很大的董事長他會親自回信給你
+
+913
+00:38:43,456 --> 00:38:46,784
+他會回信給你說我謝謝玉山那玉山強調這個
+
+914
+00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:47,808
+那我們現在做了
+
+915
+00:38:48,064 --> 00:38:49,600
+什麼讓我們一起攜手向前
+
+916
+00:38:50,112 --> 00:38:50,880
+我覺得
+
+917
+00:38:51,136 --> 00:38:51,904
+投資的力量
+
+918
+00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:52,672
+還是有用
+
+919
+00:38:53,184 --> 00:38:53,696
+大股東協
+
+920
+00:38:54,976 --> 00:39:00,608
+你知道嗎現在全世界最大的這一些共同基金
+
+921
+00:39:00,864 --> 00:39:02,400
+包括
+
+922
+00:39:02,656 --> 00:39:04,960
+Play what啦這些都是給趙美人的
+
+923
+00:39:05,216 --> 00:39:06,752
+他們的組成聯盟
+
+924
+00:39:07,776 --> 00:39:11,360
+就是未來就是要朝esg的方式去走
+
+925
+00:39:11,616 --> 00:39:14,432
+那為什麼玉山會想到要這樣做呢
+
+926
+00:39:14,688 --> 00:39:17,504
+因為我沒有接到很多邊寫給我的信嗎
+
+927
+00:39:18,272 --> 00:39:23,648
+你會寫給他說我當稀有的時候心就是直接給我最大的股東就寫了一封信
+
+928
+00:39:23,904 --> 00:39:25,184
+而且還說
+
+929
+00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,256
+淨重機一定要在董事會報告我們最大的
+
+930
+00:39:28,512 --> 00:39:29,280
+股東的意見
+
+931
+00:39:30,304 --> 00:39:35,424
+對啊那我當然我就要報告我要在董事會報告啊這是大股東協來的信
+
+932
+00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,984
+大股東希望有什麼樣什麼樣
+
+933
+00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:41,056
+他所要求東西我們早就已經做到了
+
+934
+00:39:41,568 --> 00:39:43,872
+那我是覺得這是一個良性的循環
+
+935
+00:39:44,384 --> 00:39:45,664
+最後就是一個
+
+936
+00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,200
+責任產品
+
+937
+00:39:47,456 --> 00:39:49,504
+好像信用卡是我們自己製造的慘
+
+938
+00:39:50,272 --> 00:39:56,416
+那2015年我們那時候的起心動念是銀行是一個服務業也難得有一個
+
+939
+00:39:56,672 --> 00:39:58,720
+產品我們真的可以去看探足
+
+940
+00:39:58,976 --> 00:39:59,488
+主機啦
+
+941
+00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,352
+2015年我們就跟環保署報告說我沒有這樣的想法
+
+942
+00:40:04,608 --> 00:40:10,496
+那環保署查了一下就說世界上沒有任何一家銀行的信用卡在做碳足跡的
+
+943
+00:40:10,752 --> 00:40:12,800
+玉山真的要做嗎
+
+944
+00:40:13,056 --> 00:40:14,848
+我們就說我們試看看好了
+
+945
+00:40:15,104 --> 00:40:21,248
+所以那時候也結合的製卡的公司就從一張卡的製作到我們怎麼寄給顧客顧
+
+946
+00:40:21,504 --> 00:40:26,112
+Google怎麼使用然後到最後他5到7年這一張卡片要處理嗎
+
+947
+00:40:26,368 --> 00:40:27,648
+我要剪卡要處理
+
+948
+00:40:27,904 --> 00:40:31,488
+整體的碳足跡到底一張信用卡
+
+949
+00:40:31,744 --> 00:40:33,024
+每1年會排多少
+
+950
+00:40:34,048 --> 00:40:37,120
+我到就做出來一張信用卡一年大家牌1.5公斤的
+
+951
+00:40:37,376 --> 00:40:38,400
+二氧化碳
+
+952
+00:40:38,912 --> 00:40:40,960
+我們那時候就得到那個
+
+953
+00:40:41,216 --> 00:40:41,728
+腳丫子
+
+954
+00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,312
+上面就已經買很多的東西上面的腳丫子
+
+955
+00:40:45,568 --> 00:40:47,104
+告訴你這個產品用
+
+956
+00:40:48,896 --> 00:40:50,176
+可以盤點
+
+957
+00:40:50,432 --> 00:40:52,224
+後面就可以看中和啦
+
+958
+00:40:52,992 --> 00:40:55,808
+對啊那我只要買綠能我就可以看中和啊
+
+959
+00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,624
+所以我們也在2019年就宣誓
+
+960
+00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,232
+所有玉山發的每一張信用卡都是臨炭信用卡
+
+961
+00:41:03,744 --> 00:41:08,608
+那我們預估到2025年我們大概六百多萬張的信用卡
+
+962
+00:41:08,864 --> 00:41:09,632
+每1張都會是
+
+963
+00:41:09,888 --> 00:41:10,400
+士林太信用
+
+964
+00:41:11,168 --> 00:41:13,472
+所以我覺得這個都是經過學習
+
+965
+00:41:13,728 --> 00:41:16,544
+那一步一腳印慢慢去做出來的
+
+966
+00:41:17,312 --> 00:41:23,456
+我也覺得這應該也是企業的腳步不會一次就100分但是只要你努力網
+
+967
+00:41:23,712 --> 00:41:25,760
+往那個方向不斷的有創新
+
+968
+00:41:26,016 --> 00:41:28,576
+那基本上的話就會慢慢往一個更好的
+
+969
+00:41:29,088 --> 00:41:30,112
+在前進後
+
+970
+00:41:30,368 --> 00:41:30,880
+謝謝
+
+971
+00:41:31,648 --> 00:41:37,792
+最後一個問題啊因為由其是從一情來了之後大家對於企業
+
+972
+00:41:38,048 --> 00:41:38,816
+對於所謂的
+
+973
+00:41:39,072 --> 00:41:43,424
+新興風險和做這種風險的辨識跟管控式上跟以前那個
+
+974
+00:41:44,192 --> 00:41:45,728
+很不一樣那個氛圍是很不一樣
+
+975
+00:41:45,984 --> 00:41:50,080
+那是上文上有一些蘋果切工具
+
+976
+00:41:50,336 --> 00:41:53,919
+氣候變遷的那個的相關的財務結構的架構
+
+977
+00:41:54,175 --> 00:41:54,943
+所以
+
+978
+00:41:55,199 --> 00:42:01,343
+尤其是像這現在這一波漢仔好就說和做的起來說颱風甚至都氣候變遷
+
+979
+00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:02,367
+智障的風險辨識
+
+980
+00:42:02,623 --> 00:42:05,439
+4414是跟以前很不一樣我想
+
+981
+00:42:05,695 --> 00:42:08,767
+你叫兩位好首先就要就是對台戲說
+
+982
+00:42:09,279 --> 00:42:15,423
+兒子的名字照片用幾米還是一點風險都不能承受的好所以我就你們在做因為你們有導入提醒
+
+983
+00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:21,823
+你們在辨識在做這個風險的辨識或者說包括像這一波你們水的那個
+
+984
+00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:22,591
+一體的
+
+985
+00:42:22,847 --> 00:42:25,151
+不管理你們你們是有有什麼樣的一套自己的
+
+986
+00:42:25,663 --> 00:42:26,175
+到光寶
+
+987
+00:42:28,223 --> 00:42:29,247
+我先躺一下機
+
+988
+00:42:29,503 --> 00:42:31,807
+Ccs1充電其實在四年前就到了
+
+989
+00:42:32,575 --> 00:42:33,343
+2017年
+
+990
+00:42:34,367 --> 00:42:37,183
+Leticia的其實有一個朋友
+
+991
+00:42:37,439 --> 00:42:39,743
+還有製度的做法他是要求
+
+992
+00:42:40,255 --> 00:42:42,559
+的管理架構要包含四個面向
+
+993
+00:42:43,071 --> 00:42:44,095
+第一個就是治理
+
+994
+00:42:44,607 --> 00:42:45,631
+哪個是策略
+
+995
+00:42:46,143 --> 00:42:47,423
+克斯風險管理
+
+996
+00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:48,959
+還要有目標跟
+
+997
+00:42:49,983 --> 00:42:53,311
+去簡單來講了就透過公司最高組織
+
+998
+00:42:53,567 --> 00:42:54,335
+其他講的是董事
+
+999
+00:42:55,103 --> 00:42:56,639
+還有系統的方法
+
+1000
+00:42:57,151 --> 00:42:58,431
+討論根鑑別
+
+1001
+00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:00,991
+氣候風險跟機會
+
+1002
+00:43:01,247 --> 00:43:03,295
+你是可以你一定適當的策略
+
+1003
+00:43:03,807 --> 00:43:04,575
+同時呢
+
+1004
+00:43:04,831 --> 00:43:06,623
+要把他納入公司的
+
+1005
+00:43:07,391 --> 00:43:09,183
+風險管理的流程當中
+
+1006
+00:43:09,695 --> 00:43:10,463
+然後呢
+
+1007
+00:43:10,975 --> 00:43:11,743
+而且要揭露
+
+1008
+00:43:12,255 --> 00:43:13,791
+我還要建立衡量指標
+
+1009
+00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:15,071
+最後呢
+
+1010
+00:43:15,327 --> 00:43:17,375
+僅是你的目標是不是有達成
+
+1011
+00:43:18,655 --> 00:43:21,215
+我記得在去年的某一次董事會
+
+1012
+00:43:21,727 --> 00:43:23,007
+我們有一個董事
+
+1013
+00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:24,287
+請問說
+
+1014
+00:43:24,799 --> 00:43:26,847
+台積電有用tcfd嗎
+
+1015
+00:43:27,615 --> 00:43:28,895
+我想要了解多一點
+
+1016
+00:43:29,407 --> 00:43:31,711
+他說現在這是全世界的趨勢
+
+1017
+00:43:32,223 --> 00:43:33,503
+時尚機構投資人
+
+1018
+00:43:33,759 --> 00:43:35,039
+我跟你講都不對
+
+1019
+00:43:35,551 --> 00:43:37,599
+Predilection一封信用流董事長
+
+1020
+00:43:38,623 --> 00:43:40,671
+特別要求台積電要導入
+
+1021
+00:43:40,927 --> 00:43:42,719
+Tcfd跟sus比
+
+1022
+00:43:43,999 --> 00:43:45,279
+這兩個管理工具
+
+1023
+00:43:45,791 --> 00:43:47,839
+而且這個聲音是我們的董事會
+
+1024
+00:43:48,095 --> 00:43:50,911
+其實在過去我是每一年去董事會報告一次
+
+1025
+00:43:51,423 --> 00:43:52,191
+Galaxy a30s
+
+1026
+00:43:52,447 --> 00:43:52,959
+的東西
+
+1027
+00:43:53,471 --> 00:43:54,495
+後來被要求
+
+1028
+00:43:55,263 --> 00:43:56,031
+每年報告2
+
+1029
+00:43:56,799 --> 00:43:59,871
+最近被要求每一季報告一次
+
+1030
+00:44:00,383 --> 00:44:01,919
+提醒我們是每個quarter
+
+1031
+00:44:02,175 --> 00:44:06,783
+董事會討論這題目我那同時我們懂事還會希望能夠
+
+1032
+00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:09,855
+這個了解我們tcad執行的情形
+
+1033
+00:44:10,111 --> 00:44:13,183
+同時他也要參與我們訂目標的製定
+
+1034
+00:44:13,439 --> 00:44:15,743
+也想要了解我們執行的成果如何
+
+1035
+00:44:15,999 --> 00:44:17,023
+這個
+
+1036
+00:44:17,279 --> 00:44:19,071
+中式度已經到董事會
+
+1037
+00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:21,375
+他們是相當的願意參與
+
+1038
+00:44:22,143 --> 00:44:23,423
+很多水的問題
+
+1039
+00:44:24,959 --> 00:44:26,239
+水問題是最近熱門話
+
+1040
+00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:30,847
+南極石
+
+1041
+00:44:31,103 --> 00:44:33,407
+晶圓製造其實用相當多的水
+
+1042
+00:44:33,919 --> 00:44:37,759
+我們在很多年前就開始對於水資源的管理商的種子
+
+1043
+00:44:38,783 --> 00:44:42,367
+那我們的所有的12吋晶圓廠多少90%以上的
+
+1044
+00:44:43,135 --> 00:44:43,647
+回收
+
+1045
+00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:47,999
+喔那全公司也是達到大概90分鐘左右半8吋
+
+1046
+00:44:49,023 --> 00:44:52,607
+簡單來講你要記得我們一的水可以用3.5次
+
+1047
+00:44:53,887 --> 00:45:00,031
+那最近因為缺水缺的很厲害所以我們其實在多年之前就開始跟政府合作要蓋這個再生所
+
+1048
+00:45:00,287 --> 00:45:00,799
+水產
+
+1049
+00:45:01,567 --> 00:45:03,615
+大致上是在這個
+
+1050
+00:45:05,663 --> 00:45:10,015
+已經在進行當中了好我們今年就會完成這個再生水廠的建築
+
+1051
+00:45:12,063 --> 00:45:13,343
+今年的8月份
+
+1052
+00:45:13,855 --> 00:45:15,135
+就可以開始使用
+
+1053
+00:45:15,391 --> 00:45:17,695
+這個對生水廠是放在台南
+
+1054
+00:45:17,951 --> 00:45:20,255
+他的水的來源是工業的廢水
+
+1055
+00:45:21,023 --> 00:45:25,631
+經過再生水的處理之後呢他可以變成實生產製成可以用的
+
+1056
+00:45:26,399 --> 00:45:27,167
+好的品質的水
+
+1057
+00:45:27,935 --> 00:45:31,519
+那我們預計在一天當中到203年之後
+
+1058
+00:45:32,031 --> 00:45:32,543
+1天
+
+1059
+00:45:32,799 --> 00:45:35,103
+一田中ok產生6.7公噸的
+
+1060
+00:45:35,615 --> 00:45:36,383
+再生水
+
+1061
+00:45:36,895 --> 00:45:40,479
+大同時我們也會使用政府蓋的再生水廠裡面的水
+
+1062
+00:45:40,735 --> 00:45:43,295
+政府的再生水廠的水來源是這個
+
+1063
+00:45:43,551 --> 00:45:44,575
+生活用水的face
+
+1064
+00:45:45,343 --> 00:45:47,903
+我經過處理之後呢你可以變成可用的
+
+1065
+00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:49,439
+我們也會使用
+
+1066
+00:45:49,695 --> 00:45:51,743
+政府的手機構的再生水
+
+1067
+00:45:52,767 --> 00:45:53,535
+你這是一個
+
+1068
+00:45:54,047 --> 00:45:55,583
+另外一個就是
+
+1069
+00:45:56,351 --> 00:46:00,959
+食物的豐富多樣性也可以幫助其和變乾這個當然雖然他的
+
+1070
+00:46:01,471 --> 00:46:03,007
+貢獻不是這麼大
+
+1071
+00:46:03,263 --> 00:46:07,615
+但是我覺得他對於提供員工的威尼斯是共是很有影響的
+
+1072
+00:46:07,871 --> 00:46:09,919
+你說我們富螢火蟲這件事情
+
+1073
+00:46:10,431 --> 00:46:13,503
+我們在大肚山王太太晶圓十五廠的時候
+
+1074
+00:46:13,759 --> 00:46:15,807
+我們出來這個自然方式
+
+1075
+00:46:16,063 --> 00:46:18,367
+-1大肚山的靈相等等等
+
+1076
+00:46:18,623 --> 00:46:21,439
+最近啊就是3月12號的植樹節
+
+1077
+00:46:21,951 --> 00:46:25,279
+我們在全省3個都是辦這個質數薪傳活動
+
+1078
+00:46:25,535 --> 00:46:26,303
+那就是一個人
+
+1079
+00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:27,327
+旗跑而已
+
+1080
+00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:29,887
+未來我們會這一個繼續做
+
+1081
+00:46:30,399 --> 00:46:32,959
+我希望能夠在貼近人民生活的地方
+
+1082
+00:46:33,471 --> 00:46:34,495
+讓大家有感
+
+1083
+00:46:34,751 --> 00:46:37,055
+我們今天早上要送45000棵樹
+
+1084
+00:46:38,591 --> 00:46:42,687
+那還1個我是非常喜歡值得一提的就是在很多年前
+
+1085
+00:46:42,943 --> 00:46:46,783
+我們在台灣的灌溉用水是在台灣用水板是70 percent
+
+1086
+00:46:47,295 --> 00:46:51,903
+但是大家也知道這個農業用水的效率也不是很高就覺得漏掉了
+
+1087
+00:46:52,415 --> 00:46:56,511
+那還有知識管理水和開和關這件事情先是用人工處
+
+1088
+00:46:56,767 --> 00:46:57,791
+埔里彰水宮
+
+1089
+00:46:58,815 --> 00:47:02,143
+那所以我們共同研發現這個地方有很大的機會
+
+1090
+00:47:02,399 --> 00:47:03,167
+莊舊t
+
+1091
+00:47:03,423 --> 00:47:07,263
+這個水利署跟嘉南農田水利會設計的一套
+
+1092
+00:47:07,775 --> 00:47:09,311
+這個字會灌溉系統
+
+1093
+00:47:09,567 --> 00:47:10,591
+他幾點上
+
+1094
+00:47:10,847 --> 00:47:12,639
+這個很計數我可能不會講得很好
+
+1095
+00:47:12,895 --> 00:47:14,175
+他這個sensor
+
+1096
+00:47:14,687 --> 00:47:16,735
+他不是要用人來操控他可以噴
+
+1097
+00:47:17,503 --> 00:47:18,527
+什麼時候開什麼時候關
+
+1098
+00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:20,319
+還是剛開的時候開
+
+1099
+00:47:20,575 --> 00:47:21,855
+不該開的時候關
+
+1100
+00:47:22,367 --> 00:47:23,647
+好也可以節省這個東西
+
+1101
+00:47:23,903 --> 00:47:24,415
+公的勞力
+
+1102
+00:47:24,927 --> 00:47:27,743
+這樣子我們估計可以節省10%的用水量
+
+1103
+00:47:28,255 --> 00:47:30,815
+這個技術我們已經以轉給水利署
+
+1104
+00:47:31,327 --> 00:47:33,887
+我們希望政府能夠推廣政府也很願意才
+
+1105
+00:47:34,143 --> 00:47:36,447
+採用好了他可以大力推廣的話
+
+1106
+00:47:36,703 --> 00:47:40,799
+隨家人農田水利會全台灣各地的這個水利署都能用的話
+
+1107
+00:47:41,055 --> 00:47:42,847
+我相信他可以接什麼學的數量是
+
+1108
+00:47:46,175 --> 00:47:51,295
+我就說因為我們是不是要時間差不多就麻煩您一針對的因為我想這種液體
+
+1109
+00:47:51,551 --> 00:47:52,063
+朋友可以騎
+
+1110
+00:47:52,831 --> 00:47:58,207
+聽sia的其實就開norah因為他是一個國際的架構所以他的
+
+1111
+00:47:58,463 --> 00:47:59,999
+整體的流程這裡的流程
+
+1112
+00:48:00,255 --> 00:48:01,791
+辨識的風險的流程
+
+1113
+00:48:02,303 --> 00:48:07,679
+他是有一個自私的規定當然運用在各個行業裡面也會略有不同
+
+1114
+00:48:07,935 --> 00:48:09,727
+最重要的含義就是
+
+1115
+00:48:09,983 --> 00:48:11,263
+氣候變遷
+
+1116
+00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:12,031
+對
+
+1117
+00:48:12,287 --> 00:48:14,079
+你這家公司的
+
+1118
+00:48:14,335 --> 00:48:14,847
+財務
+
+1119
+00:48:15,103 --> 00:48:17,663
+到底會產生什麼樣的影響
+
+1120
+00:48:18,175 --> 00:48:19,711
+現在是什麼樣的影響
+
+1121
+00:48:19,967 --> 00:48:22,015
+未來會有什麼樣的影響
+
+1122
+00:48:22,271 --> 00:48:24,575
+那你問我控管這樣的風險呢
+
+1123
+00:48:25,343 --> 00:48:27,135
+我隻大概就是他最重要的含義
+
+1124
+00:48:27,903 --> 00:48:28,671
+當然
+
+1125
+00:48:29,183 --> 00:48:30,975
+我們在2017年
+
+1126
+00:48:31,231 --> 00:48:32,511
+其實也是跟台
+
+1127
+00:48:32,767 --> 00:48:33,279
+台積電一樣
+
+1128
+00:48:33,535 --> 00:48:34,303
+我們都是台灣
+
+1129
+00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:38,911
+第一批那像阿玉山的話是金融業的一個簽署
+
+1130
+00:48:39,423 --> 00:48:40,191
+Tcfd
+
+1131
+00:48:40,703 --> 00:48:42,751
+好我們也學習的整套的一個制度
+
+1132
+00:48:43,007 --> 00:48:44,799
+當然我們開始就來盤點我們
+
+1133
+00:48:45,055 --> 00:48:46,335
+各方面的風險
+
+1134
+00:48:46,591 --> 00:48:48,127
+第一個我們都知道
+
+1135
+00:48:49,407 --> 00:48:50,687
+整個氣候變遷的結果
+
+1136
+00:48:50,943 --> 00:48:51,711
+海平面會上
+
+1137
+00:48:52,479 --> 00:48:53,247
+和室
+
+1138
+00:48:53,503 --> 00:48:55,551
+台灣的降雨量可能沒有太大的歌
+
+1139
+00:48:56,575 --> 00:48:57,855
+但是呢他降雨的
+
+1140
+00:48:58,111 --> 00:48:59,647
+天數在減少當中
+
+1141
+00:49:00,415 --> 00:49:01,183
+就表示
+
+1142
+00:49:01,695 --> 00:49:02,463
+要麼不下雨
+
+1143
+00:49:02,975 --> 00:49:04,255
+要買雨來得很大
+
+1144
+00:49:04,511 --> 00:49:05,791
+水泥基本上來講
+
+1145
+00:49:06,047 --> 00:49:07,583
+那就會有淹水的問題
+
+1146
+00:49:08,095 --> 00:49:12,191
+所以我們也根據了就是啊國家所發布的一些淹水的
+
+1147
+00:49:12,447 --> 00:49:14,495
+資訊我們就開始去做盤廠
+
+1148
+00:49:15,007 --> 00:49:16,543
+那我們做那麼多房
+
+1149
+00:49:16,799 --> 00:49:17,311
+大雅
+
+1150
+00:49:17,567 --> 00:49:19,359
+做人多不動產的擔保品
+
+1151
+00:49:20,127 --> 00:49:22,687
+到底有哪些是在低窪地區呢
+
+1152
+00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:25,247
+那他會帶來多少風險呢
+
+1153
+00:49:25,503 --> 00:49:28,319
+他是我們盤查出來大概有7000多筆
+
+1154
+00:49:28,575 --> 00:49:29,855
+大概有300
+
+1155
+00:49:30,111 --> 00:49:30,879
+1左右
+
+1156
+00:49:31,391 --> 00:49:35,231
+那這樣我們整體受信大概再3.3個percent
+
+1157
+00:49:35,999 --> 00:49:37,279
+他是在比較危險的
+
+1158
+00:49:38,047 --> 00:49:39,583
+他很容易淹水
+
+1159
+00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:40,863
+只要淹水
+
+1160
+00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:42,655
+那你擔保品的價值就會打
+
+1161
+00:49:42,911 --> 00:49:43,423
+打折
+
+1162
+00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:45,727
+或是你可能會產生有呆帳的習
+
+1163
+00:49:45,983 --> 00:49:47,775
+行為那你怎麼去處理
+
+1164
+00:49:48,031 --> 00:49:48,799
+這樣的事情
+
+1165
+00:49:49,567 --> 00:49:50,335
+當然
+
+1166
+00:49:50,847 --> 00:49:52,383
+可以去買保險也是一種
+
+1167
+00:49:53,151 --> 00:49:54,175
+護士
+
+1168
+00:49:54,431 --> 00:49:56,223
+在做這樣的時候性的時候
+
+1169
+00:49:56,479 --> 00:49:58,015
+可能思考的條件要才更有
+
+1170
+00:49:59,551 --> 00:50:01,599
+或是我那時候也開始說
+
+1171
+00:50:01,855 --> 00:50:02,367
+那
+
+1172
+00:50:03,391 --> 00:50:04,671
+排碳這件事情
+
+1173
+00:50:04,927 --> 00:50:05,695
+終究
+
+1174
+00:50:06,463 --> 00:50:07,743
+政府可能會有
+
+1175
+00:50:08,255 --> 00:50:08,767
+碳稅
+
+1176
+00:50:09,023 --> 00:50:11,583
+或是國際上會有碳的整體
+
+1177
+00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:12,607
+TIIDA關稅
+
+1178
+00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:14,655
+所以我們就在想那台灣
+
+1179
+00:50:14,911 --> 00:50:17,471
+海灘最多的是哪個產業
+
+1180
+00:50:17,983 --> 00:50:18,495
+老大就開始去
+
+1181
+00:50:19,263 --> 00:50:21,055
+後龍潭頂有9大餐
+
+1182
+00:50:21,311 --> 00:50:23,359
+反射式最容易排碳的
+
+1183
+00:50:23,615 --> 00:50:25,663
+那我們就先選了石化業
+
+1184
+00:50:25,919 --> 00:50:26,687
+鮮奶做嗎
+
+1185
+00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:28,479
+那時花永就看
+
+1186
+00:50:28,735 --> 00:50:31,551
+給我們怎麼跟我們往來的六百多家的石化業
+
+1187
+00:50:31,807 --> 00:50:35,647
+哪有借款的可能有90幾家的時化永就開始去做
+
+1188
+00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:38,207
+假設政府定了看歲
+
+1189
+00:50:38,975 --> 00:50:41,023
+或是政府縣市的碳排
+
+1190
+00:50:41,535 --> 00:50:42,815
+亞洲碳稅是
+
+1191
+00:50:43,071 --> 00:50:44,607
+100塊新台幣的時候
+
+1192
+00:50:44,863 --> 00:50:46,143
+對嘴假期的影響是什麼
+
+1193
+00:50:46,655 --> 00:50:49,983
+如果他是100塊美金的時候
+
+1194
+00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,263
+對他的影響又是
+
+1195
+00:50:52,287 --> 00:50:54,335
+那他的獲利會減少多少
+
+1196
+00:50:54,591 --> 00:50:56,383
+他的肉會減少多少
+
+1197
+00:50:56,639 --> 00:50:59,711
+那我們的授信風險會提高多少
+
+1198
+00:51:00,223 --> 00:51:02,015
+那因為我們都有麻豆可以泡
+
+1199
+00:51:02,271 --> 00:51:06,367
+好像說這樣的時候行那我們最後會有多少損失的金額
+
+1200
+00:51:06,623 --> 00:51:08,671
+其實這也是一種學習就是
+
+1201
+00:51:08,927 --> 00:51:10,719
+他不是一次所有的
+
+1202
+00:51:11,743 --> 00:51:12,255
+好超市
+
+1203
+00:51:12,511 --> 00:51:13,279
+一會會
+
+1204
+00:51:13,535 --> 00:51:14,047
+會的
+
+1205
+00:51:14,303 --> 00:51:15,327
+去坐上去的
+
+1206
+00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:17,887
+所以我們覺得你有一個
+
+1207
+00:51:18,143 --> 00:51:19,935
+好的國際的架構
+
+1208
+00:51:20,191 --> 00:51:23,263
+經過一次兩次三次的練習
+
+1209
+00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:24,543
+你就越來越利
+
+1210
+00:51:25,311 --> 00:51:27,871
+哪有關水的這個部分我覺得
+
+1211
+00:51:28,895 --> 00:51:30,175
+台灣的降雨量並不少
+
+1212
+00:51:30,431 --> 00:51:34,527
+台灣平均大概一年是2200
+
+1213
+00:51:34,783 --> 00:51:35,295
+就是啊
+
+1214
+00:51:35,551 --> 00:51:37,343
+毫米到2500毫米
+
+1215
+00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:39,647
+大概是世界平均值的2.5倍
+
+1216
+00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:41,439
+在台灣的降雨量不少
+
+1217
+00:51:41,951 --> 00:51:44,255
+但是因為我們台灣人口
+
+1218
+00:51:44,767 --> 00:51:46,303
+每平方公里的人口
+
+1219
+00:51:46,815 --> 00:51:47,839
+使世界的好吃
+
+1220
+00:51:48,095 --> 00:51:52,703
+所以我們真正每個人可以分到的降雨量是世界平均值的
+
+1221
+00:51:52,959 --> 00:51:53,471
+五分之一
+
+1222
+00:51:54,751 --> 00:51:56,799
+其實我們認為台灣是多餘
+
+1223
+00:51:57,055 --> 00:51:57,567
+大安
+
+1224
+00:51:57,823 --> 00:51:58,591
+台灣的水
+
+1225
+00:51:58,847 --> 00:52:00,639
+老子來講是很珍貴的
+
+1226
+00:52:01,407 --> 00:52:01,919
+喔那
+
+1227
+00:52:02,175 --> 00:52:04,223
+第二個台灣1年大概用
+
+1228
+00:52:04,735 --> 00:52:06,527
+應該是只要有
+
+1229
+00:52:07,295 --> 00:52:08,063
+200000000噸
+
+1230
+00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:09,343
+以內的水
+
+1231
+00:52:10,111 --> 00:52:11,391
+對不起應該是
+
+1232
+00:52:11,647 --> 00:52:12,159
+對2
+
+1233
+00:52:12,415 --> 00:52:13,951
+1噸差不多
+
+1234
+00:52:14,207 --> 00:52:14,975
+好但是
+
+1235
+00:52:15,231 --> 00:52:18,559
+應該是210噸後對不起210噸的水
+
+1236
+00:52:19,071 --> 00:52:24,191
+應該就夠了可是我們這樣下來的雨量大概有910噸的水
+
+1237
+00:52:24,447 --> 00:52:28,799
+你就說其實我們好好的珍惜這些水我們怎麼管理
+
+1238
+00:52:29,055 --> 00:52:30,591
+台灣是一定會夠用的
+
+1239
+00:52:31,103 --> 00:52:32,639
+好那當然目前
+
+1240
+00:52:32,895 --> 00:52:34,943
+所遇到的問題一定是
+
+1241
+00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:37,759
+我們水庫啊或是我們的水管
+
+1242
+00:52:38,015 --> 00:52:41,855
+可能目前的那個流失率還超過大概有在15個percent
+
+1243
+00:52:42,111 --> 00:52:42,879
+這些到底要怎麼
+
+1244
+00:52:43,135 --> 00:52:46,207
+那當然最後就是台灣的水價
+
+1245
+00:52:46,463 --> 00:52:50,303
+真的是便宜嗎我們先一度水大概是九塊錢出頭
+
+1246
+00:52:50,815 --> 00:52:54,143
+那世界上大概的國家都是我們的兩倍到10倍的
+
+1247
+00:52:54,399 --> 00:52:54,911
+價格
+
+1248
+00:52:55,423 --> 00:53:01,567
+那台灣如果做1度的水的成本當然專家很多估計啦大概介於25
+
+1249
+00:53:01,823 --> 00:53:02,847
+快到三十塊錢
+
+1250
+00:53:03,359 --> 00:53:04,895
+所以我們現在的水其實是一個卜
+
+1251
+00:53:05,151 --> 00:53:05,919
+補貼的政策啦
+
+1252
+00:53:06,431 --> 00:53:07,711
+那補貼政策
+
+1253
+00:53:07,967 --> 00:53:10,271
+真的會是一個好的政策嗎
+
+1254
+00:53:10,783 --> 00:53:13,343
+還是說應該要使用者付費
+
+1255
+00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:17,695
+真的家庭有比較辛苦的我沒有另外的方法來解決
+
+1256
+00:53:17,951 --> 00:53:22,047
+會不會更好讓大家更珍惜水源會不會更好
+
+1257
+00:53:22,303 --> 00:53:23,583
+那是個人的潛艦
+
+1258
+00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:24,351
+謝謝