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-kids and stuff like that and how you were saying that the offending doesn't fit in with that dream or that idea.

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client

No.

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therapist

So there's that on the one hand, but on the other hand, there's the kind of immediate, um, feeling when you've had a few to drink and you're with your mates and it feels like it would be a bit of a laugh?

reflection

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client

Yeah.

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therapist

So you've got-got those two things going on at the same time. Yeah?

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client

Mm.

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therapist

And it sounds like sometimes when you're in there with your mates and had a few drinks, it's hard to hold on to that vision of the future.

reflection

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client

Yeah. You don't really think about that. Well, just in the moment.

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sustain

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therapist

Okay. So what-wh-- in the moment, what are you thinking?

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client

Just have a bit of fun. Not really thinking.

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therapist

Not really thinking or simply not thinking beyond the next-

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client

Mm.

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neutral

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therapist

-kind of minute or so-

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client

No. Just, like, it's not normally my idea, like someone else would just suggest it and you kind of just, yeah.

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therapist

So it's not your idea. And you also go along with it?

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client

Yeah. You can't really be like, "Oh no," just give me shit.

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sustain

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therapist

Mm-hmm. What would happen if you say no?

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client

Just like, it can be shit and I still do it. They just-just call me a pussy or whatever and I don't know. And they'd talk me into it probably.

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therapist

Mm-hmm. So it's hard to actually say no to your friends-

reflection

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client

Yeah.

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neutral

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therapist

-'cause of what they- what they thought of you.

reflection

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client

They'd just think I was joking, yeah.

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therapist

Yeah. So I'm wondering what the-the thinking, 'cause, um, one of the things that's really changed for you is being with Donna.

other

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client

Yeah.

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therapist

So I'm wondering, you know, most of them butt-butts head on your friendships with those- with those guys.

other

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client

I don't see them as much, but like she gets along with them aye, so-

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therapist

Mm-hmm.

other

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client

I don't think, like, I am not sure they like it.

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therapist

Then so when you're-- so you're spending less time with them and more time with Donna?

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client

Yeah.

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therapist

Yeah. And you're saying you're kind of hanging out with her and going to movies and stuff? Yeah. And that means you're spending less time with your-- with those people that have actually led you in trouble in the past?

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client

They don't lead me into trouble. But-

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therapist

Okay. So tell me- tell me what it is that they do so I get a better understanding of it.

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client

Uh, like it's my choice though, they don't make me.

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therapist

Yeah.

other

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client

Yeah. I know it's just having grown up with, it's just what we've always done.

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therapist

Okay. So that's just what you've always done.

reflection

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client

Yeah.

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therapist

But we're also talking about this idea that it doesn't fit with what your goals are or what your hopes are?

reflection

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client

Mm.

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neutral

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therapist

Yeah. Mm. How would you like it to be?

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client

My life? Well, what do you mean?

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neutral

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therapist

Mm, well the stuff about when you're in the moment. Yeah.

other

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client

Yeah.

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therapist

When you've had a few drinks and you kind of go and get into trouble. How would you like that to be different?

question

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client

I don't know. Just more or less like if Donna was there and maybe if my mates got some girlfriends or something like that would calm them down too.

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therapist

Mm-hmm.

other

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client

So just hang out instead of go and do stuff, like stupid stuff.

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therapist

Okay. So-so Donna's helped calm you down and you'd like, um, them to calm down too?

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client

Yeah, 'cause then we could hang out together and stuff-

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therapist

Mm.

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client

-with our girlfriends and stuff.

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therapist

So am I hearing that it's tricky in some ways to hang out with them sometimes-

reflection

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client

Yeah.

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therapist

-now that you're with Donna?

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client

Yeah. Cause I like I feel guilty not spending my time with, yeah, Donna. Like, I miss my mates, like, I get lonely and stuff, but even though they get me into trouble, but-

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therapist

Hmm.

other

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client

-just, kind of, feel stoked that-that I see them on the weekends and stuff.

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neutral

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therapist

Okay. So-so what's the definition, for you, of a good mate?

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client

It's, like, loyal-

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therapist

Mm-hmm.

other

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client

-yes, someone who's got my back.

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therapist

So, someone who's loyal, someone who's got your back, yeah? What else? What else is really your definition of a really good mate?

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client

That's about it. It's-- yeah.

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therapist

Hmm.

other

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client

Someone who'll stand up for you.

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therapist

Oh, so, someone who'll stand up for you?

reflection

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client

Yeah.

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therapist

Yeah? Yeah. Sounds like a really strong definition of a good mate-

other

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client

Yeah.

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therapist

-for you? So, I'm wondering about, um, whether good mates lead you into trouble, if it's something you wanna do. If you got something different that you wanna do, what would a good mate do in that situation?

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client

I mean, support me.

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neutral

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therapist

Yeah. How-how would you wanna be supported, Billy?

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client

Just don't give me shit about, I don't know. Um, yeah, just, if I- if I don't wanna go do something, don't, like, don't give me shit about it.

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therapist

Mm. Okay, so that's-that's the kind of support that a really good mate would give you? It sounds-

other

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client

Yeah.

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neutral

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therapist

-like these guys have been around for you-

reflection

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client

Yeah, yeah, they [unintelligible 00:36:38]

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therapist

-for quite some time, and they're really important to you.

reflection

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client

Yeah.

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therapist

Yeah. Okay. So, I'm wondering how we can get to that point where, yeah, you can say, "No, I don't wanna do that," and they're supportive of you?

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client

Mm.

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therapist

What do you think it would take?

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client

Just they know that I'm serious.

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therapist

Okay. So, how would they know you're serious?

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client

I guess, like, if they actually know I'm going to polytech and stuff that they might understand.

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therapist

Okay.

other

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client

But, like I feel guilty if they wanna go and have fun, and I'm not with them.

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therapist

Okay. That's the second time you've used that word 'guilty'.

other

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client

Yeah.

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therapist

Yeah? So, it sounds like it's a really-- something's really important to you about that.

reflection

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client

Yeah. Like, just going out with them or spending some times with them-- time with them, but, like, I really wanna spend time with Donna too-

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therapist

Mm.

other

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client

-so, it'd be cool if we could spend time together, like, with Donna and my mates.

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therapist

Okay. So, it's almost as if you feel a bit torn because you wanna be with Donna, but you also wanna be with your-

reflection

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client

Yeah.

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therapist

-with your mates?

reflection

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client

Yeah, like-- Well, I know I get into trouble with them, but they're still my mates, and I-

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therapist

Mm.

other

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-feel--

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