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I'd lay long odds that it was the other way around. Clinton didn't just pull this plan out of any bodily orifices; the NSA has to have been working on it for years. While it's possible that Denning (and other prominent people) just happened to start arguing for such a system, it seems more likely that there was a suggestion involved. If this guess is wrong, I apologize.

Try the folks at Dimolex Corp., La Crescenta, CA 91214. Their number is (818) 957-7001. They make membrane keypads that are very flat, in layouts from 2 to 128 keys. They have standard models, tactile models (with stainless domes under each key to make a 'click' you can feel), as well as backlit models. Some of them can even be cut with scissors to form a funky shape other than a rectangle. Many of the models are available in a 'kit' which includes a bezel, colored and plain key covers, and rub on lettering to make your own layout. One piece prices aren't cheap, though, as they want $10 for one four position pad *kit*, and $45 for a 40 position *kit*. I have no affiliation with Dimolex or any company connected with them. I *have* purchased a couple of keypads from them, and am pleased with what I got.

Are you (two) joking? Is the entire Internet flaming you (two)? Ahh!, now I remember that Ohmite company was the first introducing "the pink colored resistor", only for electronics working females ;-)

Are you suggesting that we should forget the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people by the Armenians between 1914 and 1920? But most people aren't aware that in 1939 Hitler said that he would pattern his elimination of the Jews based upon what the Armenians did to Turkish people in 1914. 'After all, who remembers today the extermination of the Tartars?' (Adolf Hitler, August 22, 1939: Ruth W. Rosenbaum (Durusoy), "The Turkish Holocaust - Turk Soykirimi", p. 213.) I refer to the Turks and Kurds as history's forgotten people. It does not serve our society well when most people are totally unaware of what happened in 1914 where a vicious society, run by fascist Armenians, decided to simply use the phoniest of pretexts as an excuse, for wiping out a peace-loving, industrious, and very intelligent and productive ethnic group. What we have is a demand from the fascist government of x-Soviet Armenia to redress the wrongs that were done against our people. And the only way we can do that is if we can catch hold of and not lose sight of the historical precedence in this very century. We cannot reverse the events of the past, but we can and we must strive to keep the memory of this tragedy alive on this side of the Atlantic, so as to help prevent a recurrence of the extermination of a people because of their religion or their race. Which means that I support the claims of the Turks and Kurds to return to their lands in x-Soviet Armenia, to determine their own future as a nation in their own homeland. Serdar Argic

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[reply to keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart)] It would help if you (and anyone else asking for medical information on some subject) could ask specific questions, as no one is likely to type in a textbook chapter covering all aspects of the subject. If you are looking for a comprehensive review, ask your local hospital librarian. Most are happy to help with a request of this sort. Briefly, this is a condition in which patients who have significant residual weakness from childhood polio notice progression of the weakness as they get older. One theory is that the remaining motor neurons have to work harder and so die sooner.

Ok, someone is fundamentalist, someone else is not. What defines a fundamentalist (Not who!!!!!!!!!). That is an essential question which nobody has agreed upon an answer, at least to what literature / discussion / news i've seen..

This is similar to my saying that Clinton's timber summit does little to fix the health care problem. Look at the whole picture, not just randomly picked libertarian positions. If government is not allowed to use "non-initiated force" to achieve its goals, than no special interest can influence the government to use non-initiated force on their behalf. The means to reaching such a restricted government is another topic which I'll address briefly. It certainly won't happen until libertarianism is the dominate philosophy. What means do we have to make libertarianism the dominate philosophy? Statists run the education monopoly, so we have to be creative. The Advocates for Self-Government reports 85% of their Seminar 1 participants "embrace" libertarianism. That's the best means I've seen yet. We should lobby for compulsory Seminar 1 attendance. :) [in jest!] Roger Collins

Hello everybody, I hope that I insert the right Options, so that my question is only distributed through out Germany, because my question is more or less country dependend. Now the question: Is there anybody who can tell my if (and of course where) there is a ftp-site/archie (or whatever) where DIN fonts for X are available. I am looking for fonts holding the specification: DIN 16 DIN 6776 DIN V 40950 Thanks in advance Juergen Schietke Research Insitute for Discrete Mathematics University of Bonn Nassestr. 2 5300 Bonn 1 (Germany)

Please define "morally straight". And, don't even try saying that "straight", as it is used here, implies only hetersexual behavior. [ eg: "straight" as in the slang word opposite to "gay" ] This is alot like "family values". Everyone is talking about them, but misteriously, no one knows what they are. --- "One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say "Mom", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men." Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu ) April 4, 1993

I loved the ABC coverage. The production was excellent. The appearance was excellent. It had a sleek modern look. This was the first time I heard Thorne & Clement & I thought they were great. My only request is to leave Al Micheals out of this. He annoys me. I'm hoping this leads to a regular-season contract. My guess would be is that it will be roughly a weekly game from Feb.-April and then the playoffs. I envy you Canadians with your TSN & CBC. Maybe I'll get a dish to pick up Canadian TV. How much are those things, BTW?

Sorry, I should have been more specific. The 750 SS ran the quater in 12.10 @ 108.17. The last small V-twin Duc we got in the US (and the 400 is a Pantah based V-twin) was the 500SL Pantah, and it ran a creditable 13.0 @ 103. Modern carbs and what not should put the 400 in the high 12s at 105. BTW, FZR 400s ran mid 12s, and the latest crop of Japanese 400s will out run that. It's hard to remember, but but a new GOOF2 will clobber an old KZ1000 handily, both in top end and roll-on. Technology stands still for no-one...

Proven? Maybe not. But it can certainly be verified beyond a reasonable doubt. This statement and statements like it are a matter of public record. Before the Six Day War (1967) I think Nasser and some other Arab leaders were broadcasting these statements on Arab radio. You might want to check out some old newspapers Ahmed. I think if you take a look at the Hamas covenant (written in 1988) you might get a different impression. I have the convenant in the original arabic with a translation that I've verified with Arabic speakers. The document is rife with calls to kill jews and spread Islam and so forth.

No, they didn't have electrical power, but no, I don't find the idea of Davidians calmly cooking lunch with gas masks on as the FBI knocks the buildings down very credible,either. It's not like this whole discussion is relevant. It started when some- one made the wholly unsubstantiated allegation that the wood stove ig- nited NAPALM the FBI shot into the buildings. I'm not a groveling apoligist for the feds, far from it. But wild ac- cusations like this are ridiculous and obfuscate legitimate criticism of their conduct in this whole affair.

Sorry for wasting your time with a probably simple question, but I'm not an computer graphic expert. I want to read TIFF-Files with a PASCAL-program. The problem is, that the files I want to read are in compressed form ( code 1, e.g. Huffman ). All books & articles I found describe only the plain (uncompressed) format. I don't know where to get the original TIFF specification, furthermore I haven't any access to a realy complete library. Can anybody direct me to a good book or (even better) to an specification available via ftp ? Thanks in advance - Thomas Wolf

: >: > Last year the US suffered almost 10,000 wrongful or accidental : >: > deaths by handguns alone (FBI statistics). In the same year, the UK : >: > suffered 35 such deaths (Scotland Yard statistics). The population : >: > of the UK is about 1/5 that of the US (10,000 / (35 * 5)). Weighted : >: > for population, the US has 57x as many handgun-related deaths as the : >: > UK. And, no, the Brits don't make up for this by murdering 57x as : >: > many people with baseball bats. : [snip] : If you examine the figures, they do. Stabbing is favourite, closely : followed by striking, punching, kicking. Many more people are burnt to : death in Britain as are shot to death. Take at look and you'll see for : yourself. It means that very few people are shot to death in Great Britain.

: Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of : doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading : this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 : different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts : a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum : for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? : Just curious. : : : Daemon : Yes. I also like knowing where to go to ask a question without getting hell for putting it in the wrong newsgroup.

I wouldn't trust Mitre for another reason: remember "The Cuckoo's Egg"? How great was their security, eh? NSA - well, with the list of known "turncoats", does it make you wonder how many more unknown still are there? (:-) (:-( -- Regards, Uri. uri@watson.ibm.com scifi!angmar!uri

From the article "What's New" Apr-16-93 in sci.physics.research: ........ WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC 1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE "SPINOFFS" WE WERE PROMISED? In 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published "The Man Who Sold the Moon," which involved a dispute over the sale of rights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this hideous vision of the future. Observers were startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the pad with "SCHWARZENEGGER" painted in huge block letters on the side of the booster rockets. Space Marketing Inc. had arranged for the ad to promote Arnold's latest movie. Now, Space Marketing is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth orbit. NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates (WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs. .......... What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore. What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night). Is NASA really supporting this junk? Are protesting groups being organized in the States? Really, really depressed. Enzo

Hi, I just bought a Mitsumi CD-ROM drive and a SB Pro soundcard. The pin outs on the CD-ROM line-out and the SB Pro CD-IN are not the same. I am considering taking the RCA output jacks on the Mitsumi interface card and routing them to the line-in input on the SB Pro. Will this work with multi-media software that uses the CD-ROM and the SB Pro or do I need to go to the CD-IN pins on the SB-Pro. Thanks, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[...Dr. England's story deleted, it was a nice read the first time through...]] It isn't so much a matter of 'interpretation' of Bible texts that sets Mormonism apart from orthodoxy as it is a matter of *fabrication*. About 20 years ago, _National Lampoon_ had some comic strips in them that were drawn by Neal Adams. They were called "Son o' God" comics. It was a parody of the Jesus in the Bible. In the comic, there were a group of thirteen Jewish kids from Brooklyn, and when one of them said the magic word, he turned into "Son o' God." He went from a myopic, curly headed, yarmulke wearing boy to a replica of the stylizied portraits of Jesus --- with long flowing brown hair and gentile features. Now, if someone were to profess faith in this NatLamp Jesus, and claim that they were a Christian because they believed in this NatLamp Jesus, we would have to say that this was fallacious since this Jesus was a fabrication, and did not really exist. This is the exact same thing that the LDS do when they claim that they are Christian. They profess faith in Jesus, but the Jesus that they profess to have faith in is as much a fabrication as the NatLamp Jesus was.

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SP> From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson) SP> to describe here. I have a fourteen year old daugter who experienced SP> a seizure on November 3, 1992 at 6:45AM after eating Kellog's Frosted SP> Flakes. SP> Well, we were going along fine and the other morning, April 5, she had SP> a bowl of another Kellog's frosted kind of cereal, Fruit Loops (I am SP> When I mentioned what she ate the first time as a possible reason for SP> the seizure the neurologist basically negated that as an idea. Now SP> after this second episode, so similar in nature to the first, even SP> he is scratching his head. There's no data that sugar-coated cereals cause seizures. I haven't even seen anything anecdotal on it. Given how common they are eaten - do you know any child or adolescent who *doesn't* eat the stuff? - I think that if there were a relationship we would know it by now. Also, there's nothing weird in those cereals. As far as the brain is concerned (except for a few infantile metabolic disorders such as galactosemia), sugar is sugar, regardless if it is coated on cereal, sprinkled onto cereal, or dissolved in soda, coffee or whatever. There was some interest a few years ago in aspartame lowering seizure thresholds, but I don't believe anything ever came of it.

This game would have been great as part of a double-header on ABC or ESPN; the league would have been able to push back-to-back wins by Le Magnifique and The Great One. Unfortunately, the only network that would have done that was SCA, seen in few areas and hard to justify as a pay channel. )-; gld

I am a novice (at best) in working with pc networks, and am in the process of planning a small accounting system for a small business. The particular need in this case is for three machines, each in a different office of the same building, each having access to a Windows-based accounting system. My first thought is to set up MS Windows for Workgroups on each of the machines (likely a 486 and two 386's) along with the appropriate Ethernet cards and cabling that come with the Windows for Workgroups starter kit (one additional user kit will be necessary). It then seems logical to purchase a simple multi-user accounting system, along the lines of DacEasy or M.Y.O.B., and fire it all up! The 486 will more or less act as server with a report/check printer attached to it. Cable runs of 30-40 feet will be necessary for this setup. Well, this all seems too easy to me. Would any of you network gurus out there tell me if I am out of my mind here? Any and all suggestions, however trivial, will be immensely appreciated. My apologies if this has been brought up before. Thanks! John -- John E. Martin jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu University of Puget Sound '92 Kent, WA (formerly martin@ups.edu) SeinfeldSuperSonicsRushBelaFleck

Yup. I agree with ya. I think Devils can beat Red Wings easily. SO I think all those who send in their votes should try all these diffrent teams before voting. I think Islanders and Quebec are much better then I had expected. COBRA

I addressed most of the key issues in this very long (284 lines) post by Dean Kaflowitz in two posts yesterday. The first was made into the title post of a new thread, "Is Dean Kaflowitz terminally irony-impaired?" and the second, more serious one appeared along the thread "A Chaney Post, and a Challenge, reissued and revised" both only in talk.abortion, but I am posting its contents into talk.religion.misc as soon as I exit here. This should be enough for us to thrash out for the next week or so. The second post really grapples with the main bones of contention between us. The first is more lighthearted and tells about such things as KaflowitzDebatingPoints [tm], which he continues to rack up on both talk.abortion and talk.religion.misc, while setting follow-ups to talk.abortion alone. His lame excuse for the latter policy is that he gets a prompt as to where to set follow-ups, and does not follow talk.religion.misc much; this suggests that he is being hypocritical in not also setting his Newsgroups line to talk.abortion alone.

They are illegal here in Manitoba as well though I don't know what methods are used to detect them. It has always amazed me with the way the laws work. It is not illegal to sell them here in Manitoba, only to have them within a vehicle. (Last I heard, they don't have to be installed to be illegal.)

Bubblejets often splatter a little bit, whereas LaserJets (given half-way decent toner, like HP's "Microfine" stuff) don't. Both produce very good output, but you don't have to look too closely at the two to tell that LaserJet output is definitely superior. On the other hand, LaserJets which haven't been maintained properly and use the cheapest toner the owner could find often produce awful output, much worse than a bubblejet. :-) One other thing... there are bubblejets, and then there are BubbleJets. There are a few bubblejets out there that produce rather mediocre output (such as HP's dinky little BubbleJet), whereas most produce really good looking output (such as HP's DeskJets). IBM and Canon both produce some of the really good style bubblejets. ---Joel Kolstad

. . . Are you sure about this? I'm currently looking at a copy of last Thursday's SF Chronicle and there is the typical one column Traders ad on page C7 in the Sports section. Not only that, but there is a part in the middle which rather prominently says "WANTED: We pay cash for assault rifles and pistols.". Granted, I haven't seen today's paper yet. But I'd be surprised if there wasn't a Traders ad in it. It's probably worth it to write to the Chronicle (and other papers) anyway, because all their anti-gun editorials are disgusting. By the way, let me put in a plug for Traders. I have shopped all over the SF Bay Area and I have never seen another store with lower prices. And their selection is amazing. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Lee Gaucher | My opinions. gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu | No one else's.

Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to make concerning aftermarket A/C units. I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp (forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with it. The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air. I will never have an aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again. I just can't trust the quality and performance after this experience. - les

Peter, I believe this is your most succinct post to date. Since you have nothing to say, you say nothing! It's brilliant. Did you think of this all by yourself? -marc

The little blue roller on the trackball interior is probably rubbing against its support, just push it down the pin so that it no longer touches it. I had a similar problem.

It is told in the Gospels that the Pharisees (sp.?) and scribes bribed the Roman soldiers to say that the Diciples stole his body in the night. Good enough excuse for the Jewish and Roman objectives (of that day).

Hmmm. These don't look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive behavior associated with weight rebound? :-)

Does anyone work with the A/ROSE card? We have the problem that after certain crashes the card disappears from the system, and lets crash the Mac then. Okay, we don't use the card quite like one should, because we simulate errors in the 68000. Before every instruction some specified registers are masked, eg. to simulate a stuck-at-1-error in certain bits. Normally, the "crash instance" of A/ROSE notices a crash, sets a flag and stops working. By reading the mentioned flag the Mac can notice a card crash. That works fine for almost all crashes, but as said, sometimes the card doesn't set the flag and disappears from the system. The documentation of A/ROSE does not tell us anything about its behavior when crashing, and so at the moment we are trying to understand by analyzing the assembler code, and that's both frustrating and lengthy. So, can anyone help? Please only reply via email, as I don't read this group. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _ Department of Computer Science IV / \ |\/| University of Dortmund, Germany \_/laf | |aennig e-mail: maennig@veronica.informatik.uni-dortmund.de --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "In the beginning God created Adam ... ahem! ... atoms. Atoms of hydrogen."

I don't think they're paying for it. Useful? I find his estimate of the annual value to law enforcement of $5 million quite useful, if rough (e.g. wiretaps may be preferentially used on otherwise-hard-to-catch criminals, resulting in an underestimate). This comes to twenty cents a head over the U.S. population. I would find some rigorous numbers on this quite useful -- it would make for nice slogans: "Your privacy is worth $0.37", or whatever it turns out to be.

No chance. If that CS ignited at all, it would have been quite similar to a grain bin explosion. Explosion, I note. The entire compound would have been leveled, not merely burned. As there was no explosion, there was no CS ignition causing the fire. Note: at five miles a decent grain elevator explosion will knock you on your butt and your ears will ring for days. I speak from experience here.

Sjogren's syndrome has been known to induce dryness in vaginal tissue as well as induce primary biliary cirrhosis. Otherwise the abdominal swelling could be due to a complication of Sjogren's known as pseudolymphoma which *can* produce a splenomegaly (enlarged spleen). She should definitely see a rheumatologist. Since you don't mention skin disorder, anemia, or joint pain you'd probably rule out erythema nodosum or scleroderma. Josh backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL

Now we have strong evidence of where the CPR really stands. Unbelievable and disgusting. It only proves that we must never forget... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not so unconventional. Eugenic solutions to the Jewish Problem have been suggested by Northern Europeans in the past. Eugenics: a science that deals with the improvement (as by control of human mating) of hereditory qualities of race or breed. -- Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary. This is nothing more than Feisal Husseini's statement that the Zionist entity must be disolved by forcing it to "engage" the surrounding "normal" Arab society. "a strong mixed stock", "integration of Israeli society into the Middle East in a graceful manner," these are the phrases of Nazi racial engineering pure and simple. As if Israeli society has no right to exist per se! "the continued existance of a specific Jewish People overrides any other consideration, be it human love, peace of human rights." Disolve the Jewish People and protect human values such as love and peace; yes ve have heard this before Her Himmler. Notice how the source of the problem seems to be accruing to the Jews in this analysis. Ya, Der Spiegal ist a gut sourcen... Nice attempt to mix in a slam against U.S. aid to Israel. Critical comment: you can take the Nazi flag and Holocaust photos off of your bedroom wall, Elias; you'll never succeed. -- Chris Metcalfe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Archive-name: atheism/resources Alt-atheism-archive-name: resources Last-modified: 11 December 1992 Version: 1.0 Atheist Resources Addresses of Atheist Organizations USA FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION Darwin fish bumper stickers and assorted other atheist paraphernalia are available from the Freedom From Religion Foundation in the US. Write to: FFRF, P.O. Box 750, Madison, WI 53701. Telephone: (608) 256-8900 EVOLUTION DESIGNS Evolution Designs sell the "Darwin fish". It's a fish symbol, like the ones Christians stick on their cars, but with feet and the word "Darwin" written inside. The deluxe moulded 3D plastic fish is $4.95 postpaid in the US. Write to: Evolution Designs, 7119 Laurel Canyon #4, North Hollywood, CA 91605. People in the San Francisco Bay area can get Darwin Fish from Lynn Gold -- try mailing <figmo@netcom.com>. For net people who go to Lynn directly, the price is $4.95 per fish. AMERICAN ATHEIST PRESS AAP publish various atheist books -- critiques of the Bible, lists of Biblical contradictions, and so on. One such book is: "The Bible Handbook" by W.P. Ball and G.W. Foote. American Atheist Press. 372 pp. ISBN 0-910309-26-4, 2nd edition, 1986. Bible contradictions, absurdities, atrocities, immoralities... contains Ball, Foote: "The Bible Contradicts Itself", AAP. Based on the King James version of the Bible. Write to: American Atheist Press, P.O. Box 140195, Austin, TX 78714-0195. or: 7215 Cameron Road, Austin, TX 78752-2973. Telephone: (512) 458-1244 Fax: (512) 467-9525 PROMETHEUS BOOKS Sell books including Haught's "Holy Horrors" (see below). Write to: 700 East Amherst Street, Buffalo, New York 14215. Telephone: (716) 837-2475. An alternate address (which may be newer or older) is: Prometheus Books, 59 Glenn Drive, Buffalo, NY 14228-2197. AFRICAN-AMERICANS FOR HUMANISM An organization promoting black secular humanism and uncovering the history of black freethought. They publish a quarterly newsletter, AAH EXAMINER. Write to: Norm R. Allen, Jr., African Americans for Humanism, P.O. Box 664, Buffalo, NY 14226. United Kingdom Rationalist Press Association National Secular Society 88 Islington High Street 702 Holloway Road London N1 8EW London N19 3NL 071 226 7251 071 272 1266 British Humanist Association South Place Ethical Society 14 Lamb's Conduit Passage Conway Hall London WC1R 4RH Red Lion Square 071 430 0908 London WC1R 4RL fax 071 430 1271 071 831 7723 The National Secular Society publish "The Freethinker", a monthly magazine founded in 1881. Germany IBKA e.V. Internationaler Bund der Konfessionslosen und Atheisten Postfach 880, D-1000 Berlin 41. Germany. IBKA publish a journal: MIZ. (Materialien und Informationen zur Zeit. Politisches Journal der Konfessionslosesn und Atheisten. Hrsg. IBKA e.V.) MIZ-Vertrieb, Postfach 880, D-1000 Berlin 41. Germany. For atheist books, write to: IBDK, Internationaler B"ucherdienst der Konfessionslosen Postfach 3005, D-3000 Hannover 1. Germany. Telephone: 0511/211216 Books -- Fiction THOMAS M. DISCH "The Santa Claus Compromise" Short story. The ultimate proof that Santa exists. All characters and events are fictitious. Any similarity to living or dead gods -- uh, well... WALTER M. MILLER, JR "A Canticle for Leibowitz" One gem in this post atomic doomsday novel is the monks who spent their lives copying blueprints from "Saint Leibowitz", filling the sheets of paper with ink and leaving white lines and letters. EDGAR PANGBORN "Davy" Post atomic doomsday novel set in clerical states. The church, for example, forbids that anyone "produce, describe or use any substance containing... atoms". PHILIP K. DICK Philip K. Dick Dick wrote many philosophical and thought-provoking short stories and novels. His stories are bizarre at times, but very approachable. He wrote mainly SF, but he wrote about people, truth and religion rather than technology. Although he often believed that he had met some sort of God, he remained sceptical. Amongst his novels, the following are of some relevance: "Galactic Pot-Healer" A fallible alien deity summons a group of Earth craftsmen and women to a remote planet to raise a giant cathedral from beneath the oceans. When the deity begins to demand faith from the earthers, pot-healer Joe Fernwright is unable to comply. A polished, ironic and amusing novel. "A Maze of Death" Noteworthy for its description of a technology-based religion. "VALIS" The schizophrenic hero searches for the hidden mysteries of Gnostic Christianity after reality is fired into his brain by a pink laser beam of unknown but possibly divine origin. He is accompanied by his dogmatic and dismissively atheist friend and assorted other odd characters. "The Divine Invasion" God invades Earth by making a young woman pregnant as she returns from another star system. Unfortunately she is terminally ill, and must be assisted by a dead man whose brain is wired to 24-hour easy listening music. MARGARET ATWOOD "The Handmaid's Tale" A story based on the premise that the US Congress is mysteriously assassinated, and fundamentalists quickly take charge of the nation to set it "right" again. The book is the diary of a woman's life as she tries to live under the new Christian theocracy. Women's right to own property is revoked, and their bank accounts are closed; sinful luxuries are outlawed, and the radio is only used for readings from the Bible. Crimes are punished retroactively: doctors who performed legal abortions in the "old world" are hunted down and hanged. Atwood's writing style is difficult to get used to at first, but the tale grows more and more chilling as it goes on. VARIOUS AUTHORS "The Bible" This somewhat dull and rambling work has often been criticized. However, it is probably worth reading, if only so that you'll know what all the fuss is about. It exists in many different versions, so make sure you get the one true version. Books -- Non-fiction PETER DE ROSA "Vicars of Christ", Bantam Press, 1988 Although de Rosa seems to be Christian or even Catholic this is a very enlighting history of papal immoralities, adulteries, fallacies etc. (German translation: "Gottes erste Diener. Die dunkle Seite des Papsttums", Droemer-Knaur, 1989) MICHAEL MARTIN "Atheism: A Philosophical Justification", Temple University Press, Philadelphia, USA. A detailed and scholarly justification of atheism. Contains an outstanding appendix defining terminology and usage in this (necessarily) tendentious area. Argues both for "negative atheism" (i.e. the "non-belief in the existence of god(s)") and also for "positive atheism" ("the belief in the non-existence of god(s)"). Includes great refutations of the most challenging arguments for god; particular attention is paid to refuting contempory theists such as Platinga and Swinburne. 541 pages. ISBN 0-87722-642-3 (hardcover; paperback also available) "The Case Against Christianity", Temple University Press A comprehensive critique of Christianity, in which he considers the best contemporary defences of Christianity and (ultimately) demonstrates that they are unsupportable and/or incoherent. 273 pages. ISBN 0-87722-767-5 JAMES TURNER "Without God, Without Creed", The Johns Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, MD, USA Subtitled "The Origins of Unbelief in America". Examines the way in which unbelief (whether agnostic or atheistic) became a mainstream alternative world-view. Focusses on the period 1770-1900, and while considering France and Britain the emphasis is on American, and particularly New England developments. "Neither a religious history of secularization or atheism, Without God, Without Creed is, rather, the intellectual history of the fate of a single idea, the belief that God exists." 316 pages. ISBN (hardcover) 0-8018-2494-X (paper) 0-8018-3407-4 GEORGE SELDES (Editor) "The great thoughts", Ballantine Books, New York, USA A "dictionary of quotations" of a different kind, concentrating on statements and writings which, explicitly or implicitly, present the person's philosophy and world-view. Includes obscure (and often suppressed) opinions from many people. For some popular observations, traces the way in which various people expressed and twisted the idea over the centuries. Quite a number of the quotations are derived from Cardiff's "What Great Men Think of Religion" and Noyes' "Views of Religion". 490 pages. ISBN (paper) 0-345-29887-X. RICHARD SWINBURNE "The Existence of God (Revised Edition)", Clarendon Paperbacks, Oxford This book is the second volume in a trilogy that began with "The Coherence of Theism" (1977) and was concluded with "Faith and Reason" (1981). In this work, Swinburne attempts to construct a series of inductive arguments for the existence of God. His arguments, which are somewhat tendentious and rely upon the imputation of late 20th century western Christian values and aesthetics to a God which is supposedly as simple as can be conceived, were decisively rejected in Mackie's "The Miracle of Theism". In the revised edition of "The Existence of God", Swinburne includes an Appendix in which he makes a somewhat incoherent attempt to rebut Mackie. J. L. MACKIE "The Miracle of Theism", Oxford This (posthumous) volume contains a comprehensive review of the principal arguments for and against the existence of God. It ranges from the classical philosophical positions of Descartes, Anselm, Berkeley, Hume et al, through the moral arguments of Newman, Kant and Sidgwick, to the recent restatements of the classical theses by Plantinga and Swinburne. It also addresses those positions which push the concept of God beyond the realm of the rational, such as those of Kierkegaard, Kung and Philips, as well as "replacements for God" such as Lelie's axiarchism. The book is a delight to read - less formalistic and better written than Martin's works, and refreshingly direct when compared with the hand-waving of Swinburne. JAMES A. HAUGHT "Holy Horrors: An Illustrated History of Religious Murder and Madness", Prometheus Books Looks at religious persecution from ancient times to the present day -- and not only by Christians. Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 89-64079. 1990. NORM R. ALLEN, JR. "African American Humanism: an Anthology" See the listing for African Americans for Humanism above. GORDON STEIN "An Anthology of Atheism and Rationalism", Prometheus Books An anthology covering a wide range of subjects, including 'The Devil, Evil and Morality' and 'The History of Freethought'. Comprehensive bibliography. EDMUND D. COHEN "The Mind of The Bible-Believer", Prometheus Books A study of why people become Christian fundamentalists, and what effect it has on them. Net Resources There's a small mail-based archive server at mantis.co.uk which carries archives of old alt.atheism.moderated articles and assorted other files. For more information, send mail to archive-server@mantis.co.uk saying help send atheism/index and it will mail back a reply.

I am looking for the latest drivers for the Actix graphics accelerator card. The driver I am currently using is version 1.21 and doesn't support more than 256 colors in 1024x768 mode even you have 2MB memory. The BBS support for Actix is unbelievable! They are still using 2400bps modem! It will take you hours to download the drivers, it hurts when you are calling long distance. Is there any ftp site that has a collection of video drivers for windows? BTW, anyone using this card, and how do you like it so far? Thanks. -- Daniel Y.H. Wong UofT:(416)978-1659 wongda@picton.eecg.toronto.edu Electrical Engineering

I have a 1986 Acura Integra 5 speed with 95,000 miles on it. It is positively the worst car I have ever owned. I had an 83 Prelude that had 160k miles on it when I sold it, and it was still going strong . This is with religious attention to maintenance such as oil changes etc. Both cars were driven in exactly the same manner.. 1. It has gone through two clutches (which are underrated.) 2. 3 sets of tires (really eats tires in the front even with careful align) 3. All struts started leaking about 25-30k miles 4. Windshield wiper motor burned up (service note on this one) 5. Seek stop working on radio about 20k miles 6. Two timing belts. 7. Constant error signals from computer. 8. And finally. A rod bearing went out on the No. 1 piston seriously damaging the crankshaft, contaminating the engine etc. When the overhaul was done last week it required new crankshaft, one new cam shaft (has two) because the camshaft shattered when they tried to mill it. The camshaft took 4 weeks to get because it is on national back order. Everything on the engine is unique to the 1986 year. They went to a new design in 87. Parts are very expensive.

(hudson) (me) /(hudson) /So. Why is someone elses will such a big deal if morality is all relative. I don't believe I ever said that morality was all relative. What I said was that I can make my mind up on my own, thank you, and that you don't have the right to tell others what to think. I think that you will find that in most moral systems, there is a respect for human life and the dignity of the person. It is all the stuff besides these points that forms the core of the disagreement between primitive moral absolutists like yourself and the rest of us. /(hudson) /Maybe (the insane lover of pain might reason) if other people experienced /enough pain, they might learn to enjoy it, too. Fine. There is still the clinical definition of crazy. And this also involves a violation of free will, because the insane lover of your little example would be inflicting pain on a non-willing subject. Try again. (hudson) (me) /(hudson) /You have to have some sort of premise about choice or self-awareness. No, you do not. I demonstrated to you the example of the football team which doesn't require premises about freedom of choice or sentience/self-awareness.

You know, everybody scoffed at that guy they hung up on a cross too. He claimed also to be the son of God; and it took almost two thousand years to forget what he preached. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Anybody else wonder if those two guys setting the fires were 'agent provacateurs.'

Yeah, do you expect people to read the FAQ, etc. and actually accept hard atheism? No, you need a little leap of faith, Jimmy. Your logic runs out of steam! Jim, Sorry I can't pity you, Jim. And I'm sorry that you have these feelings of denial about the faith you need to get by. Oh well, just pretend that it will all end happily ever after anyway. Maybe if you start a new newsgroup, alt.atheist.hard, you won't be bummin' so much? Bye-Bye, Big Jim. Don't forget your Flintstone's Chewables! :) -- Bake Timmons, III

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The "used to kill" is the heart of the misinformation. It's one of those technically accurate phrasings that conveys the wrong impression. What Mr. Quiqley is more than aware of, I'm sure, is that when people read this they think violent arguments where one member of the family grabs a gun and shoots another, thereby creating a tragic situation which could easily have been avoided had the gun not been there, or a tragic accident, especially involving a child. Unfortunately, that's not the way things stack up. The majority of that 43 "times" (37 I believe) are suicides. That is, someone intentionally took a firearm and shot themselves intending to kill themselves. And why it's popular to try and blame suicides on guns, the evidence doesn't support this. Internal studies, as well as comparative studies with other countries, indicate that cultural factors far outweigh whether a person will kill themselves or not. (Japan, for instance, has a slightly higher rate than the U.S. There people jump off buildings.) According to the National Crime Survey, 40% of violent crime is commited by "non-strangers," which mistakenly has been generalized regarding the King County study to mean, "Friends and family." That is, Mr. Quigley, and others who quote this statistic, are banking on the mental image that a "Friend, family member, or child," equates to a loving relationship, and that it was cut short in a moment of anger. Unfortunately, all too often husbands beat and kill wives, children assault parents, or vice-versa. Most rapes are commited by someone known to the victim, for instance. Essentially, that a gun was used against a "friend" or family member doesn't mean they weren't trying to hurt the other person. Crime is highest among poor urban families, and those are also the areas most "at risk" for family problems, especially violent ones. A son in a gang may not be as loving toward his parents if they disapprove than a suburban kid might. Finally, it hinges on the fallacy that a dead intruder is the only value of a self-defense firearm. Using the minimum figures I worked out using the NCS I got about an 80:1 ratio between deadly self-defenses (justifiable homicides) and with-gun self-defenses. Between the FBI Uniform Crime report and the NCS there's an enormous amount of data and anybody with the calculator can crunch the numbers. As such it is incorrect to assume that a dead body is the only valid means of determining the success of such a defense, since according to the NCS (which has been considered by many to seriously under-report defenses) there were far more successful with-gun defenses than intruders killed. Not it also confines itself to the home, where attack by a "friend or family member" is far, far more likely, and excludes any defense which occurs outside the home. (I believe a large number occur in businesses.) I have not seen the exact data for this, so I can't comment. I will point out Canada's and Japan's suicide rate as indications that culture far more than firearm availability affect suicide rates. There was also a comparative study between Canada (for what it's worth, considering the difficulty of comparing across cultural lines) published in the New England Journal of Medicine (I can get the exact cite if you need it) that concluded that restrictive firearm laws would not significantly impact the over-all suicide rate.

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I "think" you should try linking to /usr/lib/libXmu.a instead of -lXmu. At least that solved the problem for me!

I wrote in response to dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe): Was Paul a God too? Is an interpretation of the words of Paul of higher priority than the direct word of Jesus in Matt5:14-19? Paul begins Romans 14 with "If someone is weak in the faith ..." Do you count yourself as one who is weak in the faith? Yes, but what does the Bible have to say? What did Jesus say? Paul closes Romans 14 with, "On the other hand, the person with doubts about something who eats it anyway is guilty, because he isn't acting on his faith, and any failure to act on faith is a sin." Gaus, ISBN:0-933999-99-2 Have you read the Ten Commandments which are a portion of the Law? Have you read Jesus' word in Matt5:14-19? Is there any doubt in your mind about what is right and what is sin (Greek hamartia = missing the mark)? Whereas, the Ten Commandments and Jesus' words in Matt5:14-19 are fairly clear, are they not? Matt5:14-19 doesn't answer your question? Breaking bread - roughly synonymous with eating. How do you unite this concept of yours with the Ten Commandments and Jesus's word in Matt5:14-19? Or, they assumed that the Ten Commandments and Jesus' word in Matt5:14-19 actually stood for something? Perhaps they were "strong in the faith?" --------------------------- [No, I don't believe that Paul can overrule God. However Paul was writing for a largely Gentile audience. The Law was regarded by Jews at the time (and now) as binding on Jews, but not on Gentiles. There are rules that were binding on all human beings (the so-called Noachic laws), but they are quite minimal. The issue that the Church had to face after Jesus' death was what to do about Gentiles who wanted to follow Christ. The decision not to impose the Law on them didn't say that the Law was abolished. It simply acknowledged that fact that it didn't apply to Gentiles. Thus there is no contradiction with Mat 5. As far as I can tell, both Paul and other Jewish Christians did continue to participate in Jewish worship on the Sabbath. Thus they continued to obey the Law. The issue was (and is) with Gentile Christians, who are not covered by the Law (or at least not by the ceremonial aspects of it). Jesus dealt mostly with Jews. I think we can reasonably assume that Mat 5 was directed to a Jewish audience. He did interact with Gentiles a few times (e.g. the centurion whose slave was healed and a couple of others). The terms used to describe the centurion (see Luke 7) suggest that he was a "God-fearer", i.e. a Gentile who followed God, but had not adopted the whole Jewish Law. He was commended by Jewish elders as a worthy person, and Jesus accepted him as such. This seems to me to indicate that Jesus accepted the prevailing view that Gentiles need not accept the Law. However there's more involved if you want to compare Jesus and Paul on the Law. In order to get a full picture of the role of the Law, we have to come to grips with Paul's apparent rejection of the Law, and how that relates to Jesus' commendation of the Law. At least as I read Paul, he says that the Law serves a purpose that has been in a certain sense superceded. Again, this issue isn't one of the abolition of the Law. In the middle of his discussion, Paul notes that he might be understood this way, and assures us that that's not what he intends to say. Rather, he sees the Law as primarily being present to convict people of their sinfulness. But ultimately it's an impossible standard, and one that has been superceded by Christ. Paul's comments are not the world's clearest here, and not everyone agrees with my reading. But the interesting thing to notice is that even this radical position does not entail an abolition of the Law. It still remains as an uncompromising standard, from which not an iota or dot may be removed. For its purpose of convicting of sin, it's important that it not be relaxed. However for Christians, it's not the end -- ultimately we live in faith, not Law. While the theoretical categories they use are rather different, in the end I think Jesus and Paul come to a rather similar conclusion. The quoted passage from Mat 5 should be taken in the context of the rest of the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus shows us how he interprets the Law. The "not an iota or dot" would suggest a rather literal reading, but in fact that's not Jesus' approach. Jesus' interpretations emphasize the intent of the Law, and stay away from the ceremonial details. Indeed he is well known for taking a rather free attitude towards the Sabbath and kosher laws. Some scholars claim that Mat 5:17-20 needs to be taken in the context of 1st Cent. Jewish discussions. Jesus accuses his opponents of caring about giving a tenth of even the most minor herbs, but neglecting the things that really matter: justice, mercy and faith, and caring about how cups and plates are cleaned, but not about the fact that inside the people who use them are full of extortion and rapacity. (Mat 23:23-25) This, and the discussion later in Mat 5, suggest that Jesus has a very specific view of the Law in mind, and that when he talks about maintaining the Law in its full strength, he is thinking of these aspects of it. Paul's conclusion is similar. While he talks about the Law being superceded, all of the specific examples he gives involve the "ceremonial law", such as circumcision and the Sabbath. He is quite concerned about maintaining moral standards. The net result of this is that when Paul talks about the Law being superceded, and Jesus talks about the Law being maintained, I believe they are talking about different aspects of the Law. Paul is embroiled in arguments about circumcision. As is natural in letters responding to specific situations, he's looking at the aspect of the Law that is currently causing trouble: the Law as specifically Jewish ceremonies. He certainly does not intend to abolish divine standards of conduct. On the other hand, when Jesus commends the Law, he seems to be talking the Law in its broadest implications for morals and human relationships, and deemphasizing those aspects that were later to give Paul so much trouble. It's unfortunate that people use the same terms in different ways, but we should be familiar with that from current conflicts. Look at the way terms like "family values" take on special meaning from the current context. Imagine some poor historian of the future trying to figure out why "family values" should be used as a code word for opposition to homosexuality in one specific period in the U.S. I think Law had taken on a similar role in the arguments Paul was involved in. Paul was clearly not rejecting all of the Jewish values that go along with the term "Law", any more than people who concerned about the "family values" movement are really opposed to family values.

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Hate to wreck your elaborate theory, but Steve Dyer is not an MD. So professional jealosy over doctors who help their patients with Nystatin, etc., can't very well come into the picture. Steve doesn't have any patients. Yes, everyone who is normal does that. We use candida on the other arm when we put a tuberculin test on. If people don't react to candida, we assume the TB test was not conclusive since such people may not react to anything. All normal people have antibodies to candida. If not, you would quickly turn into a fungus ball. You've just discovered one of the requirements for a good quack theory. Find something that no one can *disprove* and then write a book saying it is the cause of whatever. Since no one can disprove it, you can rake in the bucks for quite some time. That is odd, isn't it? Why do you suppose it is that MDs with these common problems don't go for these crazy ideas? Does the "professional jealosy" extend to suffering in silence, even though they know they could be cured if they just followed this quack book? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."

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Okay, I don't use it very much, but I would like for it to keep working correctly, at least as long as Apple continues to make System software that will run on it, if slowly :-) Here is the problem: When the screen is tilted too far back, vertical lines appear on the screen. They are every 10 pixels or so, and seem to be affected somewhat by opening windows and pulling down menus. It looks to a semi-technical person like there is a loose connection between the screen and the rest of the computer. I am open to suggestions that do not involve buying a new computer, or taking this one to the shop. I would also like to not have to buy one of Larry Pina's books. I like Larry, but I'm not sure I feel strongly enough about the computer to buy a service manual for it. On a related note: what does the monitor connector connect to?

I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew, buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions.

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I agree completely, but there was only a refund for people who bought the GC with a Quadra. I have seen an alpha version of an extension from Apple called 8.24 GC QuickTime Video which offloads QuickTime compression/decompression from the cpu to the AM29000 on the card. So it seems it can be done even though in a developer article it states that the GC can't be programmed - but they asked that any suggestions be sent in anyway...

And in other parts of the world, European "Socialists" would be known as fascist capitalist pigs. Get your head out of your labels and think carefully for once: According to the EFF announcement on this thing, the NSA has been developing this turkey for *four* years. The manufacturing contract was let *14 months ago*. Anyone out there who believes that the fact that Clinton's name was on this White House announcement means that Bush or any other Republican is a staunch supporter of personal privacy is a fool.

Who wants to look through the bars at some reactionary Liberal conspiracy- theory idiots and see how they rant and rave at the erosion of their populist support? This is very typical of the elitist Liberal attitude that The People are incapable of thinking for themselves. This elitist attitude will be the eventual undoing of the arrogant liberal tide sweeping America, as The People begin to realize more and more that they are being treated like errant children and robbed of their freedoms by a bunch of Utopian arrogent socialist jerks. Although I find myself often disagreeing with the populist rationale of Mr. Limbaugh, I find him entertaining and I often agree with his conclusions. The fact that he sends liberal reactionaries like these idiots through the roof makes him all the more entertaining. Actually, I find Limbaugh's oratory less than sizzling and his debating skills sometimes lacking, even though his conclusions are often correct. I would suggest that a bankrupt leftist ideology that hopes to use concentrated political power and a loaded gun to force everyone to do the "right" things (where "right" is defined by the elitist academics who lead the movement) is showing an acute case of "myopic social perspective", not to mention arrogance and utter stupidity. Limbaugh is certainly far from perfect, but his opponents in the established body politic and the media are the ones arguing for Federal control of virtually all aspects of the lives of the Citizenry, and for the elimination of local control over Affairs Public. Perhaps Limbaugh has a following because The People are tired of being treated like errant children by a self-important group of arrogant controlling myopic people who have no understanding of how life operates outside of the "oughta-be's" inside their own hopelessly closed minds. OK, let us take your word for that and work with it. A nice specific incident. Hmmm, "Congress shall pass no law regarding an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Liberal translation: "the federal government (as long as it is run by Liberals) may force local school districts to include certain iconic content in Christmas displays, while prohibiting others." I think Limbaugh has you on this one. It seems to me that he is arguing for LESS imposition of the federal government into religion. Nice job on the specificity of that one, too. [Analysis of historical/modern communication media deleted] Ah yes, it is a conspiracy of profound proportions. Methinks that you may be a bit resentful of Mr. Limbaugh's success because you attribute it primarily to luck (how, after all, could anyone with profound differences of opinion from yourself have become successful without the operation of conspiracy or blind luck!) Do you feel this same level of knee-jerk resentment against lottery winners, or do you congratulate them on their good fortune? This should be great fun, since it is the Liberal movement in America that is pushing the hardest for centralized fascist control of The People and business (government/business 'partnership' indeed), and Mr. Limbaugh is the populist nemesis of that movement. I have read Mr. Limbaugh's book, and although it was not the most literary piece I have read in recent memory it certainly did not contain "venom" at all, let alone "venom" comparable to an individual who callously murdered millions out of racism. A very serious tone in that oratory. You neglect to mention that Mr. Limbaugh (have you ever listened to his show, BTW?) continuously encourages his audience to think for themselves rather than blindly following any media icon, himself included. You yourself mention that he makes no bones about his show being strictly about his own opinions. He also adopts a rather satirical approach, and presumes his audience to be intelligent enough to distinguish satire from seriousness (and he says as much). This is in contrast to the average mass-media show, in which the audience is treated as society's intellectual lowest common denominator. I am sure that Adolf Hitler was a master of satire; I am sure he was just kidding when he said that the Jews were the cause of Germany's problems and needed to be exterminated. This is not religion, it is clearly a perverse worship of race. Since Christ was a Jew, it seems quite unlikely that Hitler's characterization of the Aryan as "the highest image of the Lord" fits with Christian doctrine. Private religious schools have a vastly better record of success than publicly funded schools. American history is indeed primarily Judeo- Christian. I suppose that Mr. Limbaugh pointing out facts is equivalent to Adolf Hitler worshiping the Aryan race. I think you might be reaching just a wee bit here. Definite suggestion that the government should control the entertainment industry here. Just a guess here, but I don't think that Mr. Limbaugh would advocate government control of Hollywood. You should perhaps call his radio show to confirm this. I believe this is more a criticism of Hollywood and the depraved moral values it espouses, not an advocation of government control of Hollywood. 90's Liberals, on the other hand, want to have complete government control of our school systems, so that the government can teach The People at an early age the "right" way to view religion and morality. I believe Mr. Limbaugh is against this, as his satirical use of the "young heads full of mush" hyperbole indicates. Pretty strong conspiracy theory insinuated here, with an implicit plea for government power to be used to break up the conspiracy. Indication here that "Elements of the Media" (since career is a self-selected categorization, perhaps an inferred 'larger percentage than represented in the populace at large') has a leftist bias. Doesn't sound too unreasonable. No insinuation that CNN should not report in an objective fashion, only that for reporters to say that they do not have any personal bias in the situation is disingenuous to megalomaniacal. You may disagree, and it may well be exagerrated, but it is not an unreasonable opinion; and Mr. Limbaugh goes well out of his way to make sure that his audience knows that these are his opinions, unlike most other reporting that purports to achieve perfect objectivity but in actuality will in some degree or other, in a statistical sense, reflect the biases of the reporters. Who is being disingenuous here, Mr. Shaw or Mr. Limbaugh? Again, you should ask Mr. Limbaugh himself, but I expect that he would oppose government control of the media. It is indeed depressing to see such myopia and tiresome Liberal arrogance. Liberals love to play games with paradigms as a way of discrediting people who disagree with them. Why don't you challenge conservative ideology on an intellectual level rather than engaging in ludicrous comparisons? Perhaps the underpinnings of your ideology are intellectual only in that they exist in your mind, not the real world. Perhaps there are a few among the intellectually challenged who percieve Rush Limbaugh as a hate-monger, but in my experience he has been spreading laughter at the ludicrous self-importance of the Left, not hatred. As to Mr. Bush, you may be correct about his fascist economic leanings. Mr. Reagan, on the other hand, did his best to reverse the fascist trend of government involvement in business. Mr. Clinton is increasing fascism in America through "business/government partnership" and increased levels of taxation. Perhaps you should not have skipped your vocabulary classes in grade school. Hmmm. Seems to me that Limbaugh is not in any way comparable to Hitler because he has not murdered six million Jews and many, many others out of racism. I come from a mixed-race family, so I am quite well attuned to racism; I don't hear any coming from Rush Limbaugh. The only place I hear racism coming from these days and being taken seriously is from the Liberal Left. The Liberal Left is the movement I see trying to get America hooked on the opiates of Socialized Medicine, Socialized Transportation, Socialized Education, etc. The Left already has America hopelessly addicted to that Liberal drug, the Social Security Chain Letter. It is quite clear to me that while the Hitler analogy does not really apply to either Rush Limbaugh or William Jefferson Clinton, if one of the two is closer than the other it is clearly the Fascist Clinton. This is the same address as "Idiots Anonymous", isn't it? Matt Freivald -------------------------------------------------------------------------- LiBORGalism: THINKING IS IRRELEVANT. INTEGRITY IS IRRELEVANT. FREE SPEECH IS IRRELEVANT. PRIVATE PROPERTY IS IRRELEVANT. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IS IRRELEVANT. CONSERVATIVISM IS FUTILE. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- THESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY AND NOT THOSE OF MY EMPLOYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am trying to get a copy of the _official_ rules of baseball. Someone once sent me the ISBN number of it, but I have since lost it. Can anyone give me this information, or tell me where I can find the book? None of my local bookstores have it.

Foolish me. And here I thought it had something to do with the fact that they were hitting against Wakefield, who had no "kncukle" to his ball that day, and Otto, who has no stuff. I wonder if Reggie gave the same pep talk and instruction to the rest of the lineup, who also suddenly came alive those two games. -- The Beastmaster

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I don't understand the fascination with vent windows. They create a tremendous turbulence and noise that makes even a simple connversation impossible at speeds above 40mph. The current flow-throuh ventilation, if designed right, are far more superior.

I've just read Carol's response and I just had to get into this. I've got some verses which are not subject to interpretation because they say what they say. They are 2 Peter 1:20-21, 2 Timothy 3:16-17, and Galatians 1:11-12. Also, based on the fact that Jesus is the Word incarnate and he judges people if they follow him (see Acts 17:29-31 and John 5:21-27) and that those who reject Jesus' teachings are judged by the very words he spoke (see John 12:47-50), then Jesus' words are true and do not need interpretation, nor would it be just of God to judge based on his word if it had to be interpreted.

The only ether I see here is the stuff you must have been breathing before you posted...

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So what should I carry if I want to comply with intelligent helmet laws? (The above comment in no way implies support for any helmet law, nor should such support be inferred. A promise is a promise.)

There is something going on here. It seems that once a month, the VW group must have get a specific detailed question about Hondas. I would like to ask that next month we get one about Hyundai instead of Honda. Thank you.

Two questions: 1: I'm trying to figure out how to access cmos advanced chip setting on a EISA motherboard (AIR) that has AMI bios..specifically I would like to set the atclk or wait states or bus speed on this board, I can't seem to be able to do it..any help in this area would be greatly appreciated. 2: I am looking for a phone number for WANGTEK tape drives, specifically I am looking for jumper settings on a 5099EN24 drive..

Didn't you hear? His address has changed. He can be reached at the following address: dkoresh@branch.davidian.compound.waco.tx.us I think he was last seen posting to alt.messianic. Jim

Not just because of the riflemen. They also have many hard bunkers in the mountains that would be nearly impossible to penetrate. As for tanks, they would be rather useless in such mountainous terrain. Gee, that's a new one. He thought it was a different ethnic group. Since Hitler was determined to control, at the least, all of Europe, do you think he gave a damn about international monetary concerns? Also, there's a LOT of gold in Swiss vaults. Don't you think he new that? If he could have, he would have taken Switzerland. However, crazy as he was, he wasn't totally stupid. It would have cost him a hell of a lot to take Switzerland, with no guarantee that an invasion would be successful. He probably figured (or his generals did, when he was listening to them) that it wasn't worth the cost.

Really? What makes you think the Islanders have a better shot? They couldn't even beat the Whalers in two games! (Well, since you're a Pens fans the whole question is moot. I think the teams most likely to beat the Pens are the Bruins, Nordiques, and Blackhawks but I don't think they can really do it. :-))

I look at zApp and really liked it. However, I think you should wait for version 2.0 (I think it will be out soon).

[ etc. ] Hey, he's the only manager so far to lead the Seattle Mariners to a winning season, out of, what, fifteen? Give him some credit for that. -- dave -- /''' The Machman machman@u.washington.edu david c carroll c-OO \ "Big Science. Hallelujah"

Do YOU eat all your food cold? --

: I've been thinking about how difficult it would be to make PGP available : in some form on EBCDIC machines. Don't encourage them. Let EBCDIC machines die an honorable death :)

Give out the address, I'll drive by and take a look myself, then post.

Power lines and airplanes don't mix. In areas where lines are strung very high, or where a lot of crop dusting takes place, or where there is danger of airplanes flying into the lines, they place these plastic balls on the lines so they are easier to spot.

I think you are too optimistic! PostScript is a very big language and so the fig format can not be able to be an interpreter of ANY arbitrary ps code. The only program I know to manipulate PostScript files is IslandDraw. I for myself use xfig and include the PostScript files (converted to epsi format). Small changes then are possible (erasing some letters, adding text and so on). Reinhard

: : THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH : : (Following is a transcript of a recruitment and training : videotape made last summer by the Qassam Battalions, the military As opposed to Israel's many ways of death. Using bombers and artillery against Lebanese towns and villages. Using fire arms and lethal variants of tear gas and *rubber coated* bullets against stone throwers. Using tanks and anti-tank missiles against homes after a 5 minute evacuation warning. Using Shin Bit's "reasonable" physical pressure in interrogation. And more. Not counting of course past practices such as the bombardment of Beirut in 1982, the bombing of the Egyptian school of Bahr-El-Bakar and the Abu-Za'bal factory in 1978, the downing of the Libyan airliner full of Egyptian passengers near the same time. Overseeing the Maronite massacre in Sabra and Shatilla. That is of course besides numerous massacres by Irgun and other gangs during the British mandate period. Ironically the same Op-Ed page in the NYT times from which the Naftaly copied this article was running another article next to it by A.M. Rosenthall blaming Bosnian Muslims for their own genocide by effectively saying that it is stupid to seek independence if independence will bring your people slaughter. But what else would one expect from Mr. Rosenthall who never wasted a chance to bash Arabs or Muslims.

I really like these claims. Where did they come from? We hear, practically daily, that the NSA monitors, oh, everything. They can crack anything. They'd never release a cryptosystem they couldn't crack. Where do people get these fascinating facts? 'The Puzzle Palace'? If you can get it for a buck, 2nd hand, it must be true, eh? I'm pretty sure the NSA is supposed to, among many other things, provide high-quality cryptosystems to a variety of places. I don't recall reading anywhere reliable that they're supposed to: 1) Monitor my phonecalls. 2) Monitor usenet. 3) Provide only cryptosystems they can easily crack. 4) etc etc. This is not to say that they *don't*, they might. But you don't know that they do, and you have no evidence that they do, for almost all values of you. It follows, therefore, that for most values of 'you', your claims about the NSA border on paranoia.

one i saw had vented rears too...it was on a lot. of course, the sales man was a fool..."titanium wheels"..yeah, right.. then later told me they were "magnesium"..more believable, but still crap, since Al is so m uch cheaper, and just as good.... i tend to agree, tho that this still doesn't take the SHO up to "standard" for running 130 on a regular basis. The brakes should be bigger, like 11" or so...take a look at the ones on the Corrados.(where they have braking regulations).

Is Kratz claiming that he can reliably visually distinguish an M-16 from an AR-15? That he can see the difference between a semi-auto and a full-auto UZI? That he can see the difference between the various versions (some full-auto, some semi-auto only) of the M-11/9? If so, I'd love to hear the details, if only because they'll demonstrate that Kratz is blowing smoke. Considering that one can design a gun so that it looks just like another gun, yet have very different properties, and that that's quite common.... Most kids in my neighborhood were quite young when they figured out that my parents car wasn't much like Richard Petty's, even though it looked just like it (except for the paint job). Things must have been different with Kratz. No, it doesn't, but that's irrelevant. If visual inspection of the outside worked, TV would be acceptable, but since it doesn't, the fact that it's just as good as seeing in person doesn't mean much. -andy gave Kratz a chance to back down on this in private

Basically, there are two algorithms determining whether a point is inside, outside or on the polygon. The first one is Ray (or half line) method. In this method, you can draw any ray, if the number of the intersection point of the ray and the polygon is even, then it is outside. If the number is odd, then it is inside. Of cause, you have to deal with the special cases which may make you headache. The second method is PI algorithm. Draw the lines between the point and all the vertices on the polygon. Calculate and sum the angles of the successive lines. If the result is 2*PI, then it is inside. If PI, then it is on the polygon. Otherwise it is outside. My experience tells the second method is relible. Hope this helps.

: : nobody seems to have noticed that the clipper chip *must* have been : under development for considerably longer than the 3 months that : clinton has been president. this is not something that choosing : choosing bush over clinton would have changed in the slightest; it has : been in the works for some time. Actually, many of us have noted this. We have noted that the program started at least 4 years ago, that the contracts with VLSI Technology and Microtoxin were let at least 14 months ago, that production of the chips is well underway, and so forth. Nobody I know has claimed Clinton intitiated the program. But he chose to go ahead with it. -Tim May

Please could someone in the US give me the current street prices on the following, with and without any relevant taxes: 8 Mb 72 pin SIMM 16 Mb 72 pin SIMM (both for Mac LC III) Are any tax refunds possible if they are to be exported to the UK? Can you recommend a reliable supplier?

Hi, does anyone have a keyboard map for a Sun UK type 5 keyboard for use under X11/R5 ? Thanks, Nigel.

I wonder if anyone can tell me whether or not I can create a bitmap of any size? I followed the bitmap creation example in SDK manual and specified a 24x24 bitmap (set the width/height to 24) and supplied a byte string with 72 chars. But I just cannot get the right bitmap image. I changed the width/height to 32x32 and used the same value string (padded with zero byets to make up to the right size) and got the image. The example in the manual is 64x32 size, which are multiple of 2 bytes. Can you define a bitmap image of any size? Thanks very much. G Chen chen@citr.uq.oz.au

@>> @>>Has anyone had any experience with GEICO's extended @>>warranty plan. It seems to be slightly less expensive than @>>the normal dealer-sponsored policy. @>> @>and once again....*never* buy extended warranties....they are a complete and @>total ripoff period!!!! you are better off taking your money and putting it @> in a bank and using that money for repairs. many extended warranties never @>pay or have co-payments etc. @> How many people will actually put that money in the bank and keep it there for the sole use of a automotive repair......maybe for people who have a hard time saving money or don't want the hassle of worrying about paying for everything the extended warranty is worth it.....for some people it is worth it...others not, and for some the peace of mind knowing you won't have too many unexpected expenses is enough.....if you drive a lot, your basic warranty can be up in a little longer than a year....how many people can make the car payments as well as large repairs.... It may work for some people...... Andrew --

: [deletions] : : > How can you reconcile the administrations self proclaimed purpose of : > providing law enforcement with access to encrypted data without making : > the clipper system the only crypto available in the U.S... ? : : The Second and Fourth Amendments do come to mind. : I think i heard someplace (misc.legal?, comp.org.eff.talk?) that the courts have pretty much eliminated the fourth amendment already.

A brilliant algorithm. *NOT* Seriously - it's correct, up to a sign change. The flaw is obvious, and will therefore not be shown. sorry about that.

Praise God! I'm writing everyone to inform you that I have been accepted to the Doctor of Psychology program at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, CA. I've been working long and hard to try to get in there and have said many hours of prayer. I'm very excited for this opportunity, but also very nervous about it. I'd appreciate the prayers of the readers of this group for my preparation for school this summer and for my career as a graduate student. I'd also appreciate any information any of the readers of this group might have about Fuller, Pasadena, or California in general, like good places to have fun, good churches to check out, or anything else that might be good for me to know. Also, if anyone knows of any foundations that might have funding or scholarship money available, please let me know! Of course, if you wish to make a personal contribution.....:) The contract for my current job is over at the end of April. I'll be taking a couple classes at UT this summer and then I'll be moving to Pasadena. Hopefully, I'll be able to get net.access next fall, although Fuller doesn't have it itself. I've enjoyed the interesting discussions and I commend everyone for their earnest search to please God. Thanks to our moderator for providing such a wonderful service and in doing a great job of running this news group. May God bless you all. Vaya con Dios, mi amigas y amigos. Paul =============================================================================== Paul Conditt Internet: conditt@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu Applied Research Phone: (512) 835-3422 FAX: (512) 835-3416/3259 Laboratories Fedex: 10000 Burnet Road, Austin, Texas 78758-4423 University of Texas Postal: P.O. Box 8029, Austin, Texas 78713-8029 Austin, Texas <----- the most wonderful place in Texas to live

Hmmm. Care to be more vague?

Hello everyone. Last week I posted a similar question to alt.wedding. Now I come in search of a deeper-level answer. My fiance is Lutheran and I am Catholic. We plan on getting married in her church because she is living there now and I plan on moving there in a month or so. I called my Catholic priest to find out what I needed to do in order for the marriage to be recognized by my church. Needless to say that I have found that there is no "hard and fast" rule when it comes to how the Catholic law for interfaith weddings is interpreted. But I'm pretty sure that we CAN get married without too much problem; the trick lies in the letter of dispensation. But that is not why I am here.... What I'd like to know is: What are the main differences between the Lutheran and Catholic religions? My priest mumbled something about how the Eucharist was understood... I have heard that if two religions combine soon, it would be these two. Any help would be appreciated... Thanks so much! Bill -- Bill Burns [ Internet: wdburns@mtu.edu ] Mac Network System Administrator [ AppleLink: SHADOW ] Apple Student Rep, MTU First we must band together as friends, then mearcilessly crush our enemies into paste.

Is there any FAQ list for Programming in X windows?

The following jazz magazines will go for the best OFFER received. Shipping not included, these are pretty heavy. Of course if you are local (Mass, USA) you can come get 'em in person. All are in GREAT condition!! These will go as one lot. I will not break them up. Metronome - Sep 1947, Feb 1948, June 1948, Nov 1950, Dec 1950, June 1952 Nov 1953 Downbeat - Jan 15,1947 (was newspaper sized..folded) Jan 18,1962, Feb 15,1962, Dec 19,1963, Mar 12,1964, Apr 9,1964, May 7,1964, May 21,1964, Jun 4,1964, Jul 16,1964, Sep 10,1964, Dec 17,1964, Dec 31,1964, Aug 26,1965, Oct 7,1965, Oct 21,1965, Dec 16,1965, Dec 30,1965, Jan 13,1966, Apr 21,1966, Jul 28,1966, Sep 8,1966, Dec 29,1966, Feb 9,1967, Feb 23,1967, Jun 15,1967, Nov 15,1967, Apr 4,1968, Aug 8,1968, Sep 5,1968, Oct 3,1968, Oct 31,1968, Feb 6,1969, Mar 6,1969, May 15,1969, Jun 12,1969, Jul 10,1969, Jul 24,1969, Aug 21,1969, Sep 4,1969, Dec 2,1969, May 14,1970, May 28,1970, Jun 11,1970, Jun 25,1970, Jul 9,1970, Aug 19,1971, Mar 15,1973, Mar 29,1973, May 10,1973, May 24,1973, Nov 1985 Also I will toss in (free): Jazz Journal (Feb 1979,Apr 1979) and CODA Magazine (Jun 1985, Dec 1985)

I wrote : Nice strawman indeed. The discussion is not about whether there were tanks used in sixties riots; instead, it is about whether those tanks fired their main guns in one of those riots. You claim they did. That claim is ludicrous. Awesley replied: I repeated what I had been told, under what context I had heard it, supporting the claim that tanks were indeed used in Detroit in 67. The issue has never been whether tanks were used in Detroit in 1967. It has been whether they fired their main guns. You did not merely claim that tanks were used--you claimed that they fired their main guns to suppress sniper fire and that they were "quite" effective at this. You continue to back away from this claim and defend something else that nobody is disputing. Awesley went on: I spent a few minutes in a library today -- found their computer was down and they don't have a card catalog. Anyway, it took about 10 minutes to find this in _Nightmare in Detroit, A Rebellion and It's Victims_ by Sauter and Hines, on page 133, telling of the death of Tonia Blanding, age 4. "When the tank was fired upon by snipers it turned in the direction the shots came from. [...] the fifty-caliber machine gun mounted on the tank belched fire into the buildings. After a short round into the front of the buildings, the tank guns spit again, tearing apart huge holes out of the side of the apartment." Well, it's not the main gun. "Well, it's not the main gun." Gee, that's only the entire point. Are you now going to admit that you were wrong? will I see any pictures of tanks firing their main guns? Will I see pictures of buildings damaged by the shells? Will I read the reports of the tank fire? I'll bet you dollar to doughnuts I won't. It will take more than second-hand accounts from a few old National Guard sergeants shooting the shit to convince me that tanks shelled American cities in the Sixties. Awesley replied: Well, if you bothered to read them, it wouldn't take long at all to find reports of tank * fire * -- although not necessarily of the main guns. I will never read of tanks firing their main guns in Detroit in the '67 riots. There is simply no way that such an event could have taken place without it being common knowledge even 26 years later. The American military firing shells from tanks in American cities on blacks would have been *big* news. Awesley goes on: You can also read of the troops using grenade launchers. To fire fragmentary grenades? I doubt that as well. To fire concussion grenades? Perhaps. To fire tear gas? Certainly. But you would be perfectly willing to let us believe they fired frags, wouldn't you, since it makes your other claim seem more plausible. And on: I don't expect to convince you; you'll have to open your mind and eyes and actually do a little research to be convinced one way or the other. Let me know what you find. I already know what you found: nothing. If I claimed that the Marines used F-4s to launch rockets at buildings in Trenton, New Jersey would you believe me? Would you suspend judgment until you had a chance to research it? Or would your bullshit filters kick in? If tanks had fired their main guns in Detroit, people would have been screaming about it for the past two and half decades. I would know about it. Unless you also claim that the National Guard managed to cover it up. If your mind is open enough to believe that, well, good for you. I prefer to live in reality. And here in reality, I find it hard to believe that those tanks even had any shells, much less fired them.