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I really love the DDP - first of all its exterior design is so pleasing to my eyes. It’s curvy and fluid and just super cool. In the evening when it’s lights go on, it really looks like a spaceship out of Star Trek. I enjoy walking around its many corners adoring them over and over again. The inside is as cool as the outside. With interesting exhibitions, stores, and the most interesting stairs this place is really worth checking out and especially if you are into design, style, architecture and space.

This building has a very cool architecture style and for those who love photography, you can also have a photo hunting day here in DDP.

A very stunning building. Every corner of this building is a very good photo spot. Also don't forget to take photos at 'I Seoul U' sign while you are here.

This plaza stands out in Dongdaemun area, with its large and unique design building. It is used to host various exhibitions, fashion shows, conferences etc. The building consists of the Art Hall, Museum, Design Laboratory, Oullim Square and Dongdaemun History & Culture Park. Just behind the plaza is a small and quiet park, with many free seats with umbrella covers.

I wasn't actually able to explore the place due to lack of time but I happened to pass by and took a selfie. I am awed by its spaceship-like design. I heard this is a shopping place for designer clothes and shoes so I think prices here are more expensive compared to those shopping streets like Myeong-dong.

I like the design of the building - inside and outside. There is coffee area as well. Love the design!

If you are a designer or has likes to see various creative work then this is an area you should visit while in Seoul. There are a lot of shops, exhibits, activities that you can visit and experience. Coffee shops, food shops, etc..are available as this is locatedon top of a subway train station (Dongdaemum History & Culture Park)

Good place to visit, chill and can be a nice place to explore. Recommend for people who interest in any event or designs. Flee market and food trucks available sometimes. Nice and creative architecture. Place to visit for designs and creative goods seeking. Temporary events rotate periodically. As time of my visit, there are many interesting events such as Hello Paul Smith and The Art of Disney The Magic of Animation. Flee market and food trucks in the evening as well. More spaces to walk around and chill out. Easy to access with many public transportations.Idea to visit if you have spare time.

If you happen to pass by this attraction, go ahead and give it a visit. You will be marvelled by the design/structure of this building. It seems to be a convention area for special events. The time we went there were several food and retail carts along the garden area. The adjoining underpass had shops to check out. Overall a good place to hang out and chill after a long day.

This building was full of curves and flowing lines that made it one of the coolest buildings we visited. Inside an almost all white walkway spiraled up to the top floor making for a long walk along the outer circumference of DDP. A staircase with an oddly angled and brown contrasting steps brought us back down.The building and surrounding areas were open 24 hours a day. I walked around for free inside but to visit any of the exhibits or museums you just had to pay an admission fee (roughly W16000 for adults). On the ground floor was a temporary exhibit on Disney animation which seemed to be quite popular. There also was a Disney store and lots of silkscreened animation scenes from the likes of Frozen, Big Hero 6, and Moana. On the second floor was an art museum. On the third floor was a children’s play area, some collaboration space and on the roof, a viewing area and a cafe. In the back was a lush landscaped area with seating, a piano and various art pieces. In the front was a large courtyard where lots of people were congregated.My daughter previously visited during the nighttime and enjoyed seeing the building lit up. We will have to visit again.

The way its made it's super unique and beautiful. Situated in the biggest shopping district of Seoul. This area is surrounded by malls. Must visit to click some great pictures

Dongdaemun Design Plaza’s architecture is amazing..great sight with several shopping centers nearby.

Glad that we saw this on-going Disney exhibition from 2019.4.19 to 2019.8.18. Really nice to relive the childhood memories and learnt more about how Disney actually evolves through the years. :-)Tickets are @ 15,000 KRW for an adult.There's another area with cafes and shops. Else just take a seat outdoor and enjoy the breeze.We saw the LED rose at night too!

Don't miss a visit to the DDP if you want to get away from temples for a while and see an ultra-modern side of Seoul. Aside from the architecture, the centre has other attractions, and shops. When I visited there was a Disney Animation exhibition. Definitely worth seeing. Oh, and if you play the piano, there are several dotted around the complex. Just sit down and play!

Beautiful structure. I was so amazed how it was done. You have to see it for yourself. One of the best place I have visited in South Korea. Superb 😊

I came shopping here around Dongdaemun area, and came upon this beautiful design plaza. It is a great picture opportunity, and you can sit or drink and eat around here. They have places for you to sit, and just chill. This plaza is just right behind the station. It is convenient and nice to get to.

Nice place for photo shoot. There are a lot of points for photo. Sometime has show or exhibition there.

First time to visit DDP and was impressed with its design. It’s like an infinity elongated curve from start to end. It would be nice if you could see the plaza in its total structure as it is quite unique and futuristic. We were there late afternoon and when it got dark, the lights gave the plaza an awsome ambience. They have this attraction which we visited and waited for hours the so-called led rose garden where hundreds or thousands of roses automatically light up as the sun sets. It was a nice view as the night went deeper. There are also have art hall, museum, design lab, design market, culture and history park but most of them were closed when we were there. It’s quite tiring if you tour around the big plaza but there are coffee shops and restaurants where you can eat and rest. It’s good to visit this place.

I do love design so, I was really looking forward to my visit to the Dongdaemun Design Plaza (DDP). Having dragged my family to it, I must say, I was --- disappointed.Yes, amidst Seoul’s skyline, the DDP’s facade is aesthetically unique for it’s fluid lines and steel curvatures. There is no doubt, its sheer outline exudes design.But once, we appreciated the swooping façade and geometries, there is just emptiness inside the building: empty rooms, empty echoey corridors and vast empty spaces. For a designer, space is a design element but when we went (around 4 pm on April 17) there were no exhibits, no permanent showcase not even, food trucks. Just one big EMPTY building.OK, if you are a modern architecture design nut (and enjoy photographing shapes) but, you might want to skip this if you have mixed group. For a showcase design plaza, they really could have done more with it.

Dongdaemon Design Plaza has a modern architecture. It's about 19 mins walk from train station. It's a must visit place.

Ideally for teenagers that love shopping as some of the shops operate till 3am late night and lots branded is on sales ;)

When we visited, it was really cold, but there were still so many people around. There weren't that many food stalls opened as we had hoped for, but there was a piano there that we enjoyed playing.

A huge design of greatness with glimpse of city’s history and culture. Went there to watch the rose lights but arrived before dark. Amazed. Bejeweled. Enchanted. Must see!

We aren't only to find out there were no exhibits. Literally zero things to look at inside. It's a nice enough building, but we were expecting to see actual design work inside, only to discover they were between exhibits, have no permanent collections, and most people went for the market out front and the children's playland on the top floor. It was very disappointing. Would highly recommend finding out if there's actually something to look at before you go, else just stop by if it's on your way to someplace else. Not worth it to go to Dongdaemun just to look at an empty building.

Generally Seoul has not fine architecturel profile.. but this DDP is well aesthetic huge building.. I experienced and felt touching, watching, listening a functional sculpture..a little bit in some where of the DDP I lost or confused about the horizon.. I advice at least two hours to spent in there..

We went in the evening. There was a food and art fair when we were there. A live musical performance as well. Food trucks were available and the local youth were spending their evening enjoying the good food and music.

We stumbled upon DDP after exiting from the subway station. It was very crowded at that time as it was Seoul Fashion Week. There were many fashionable people dressed up and posing for photographers. Very interesting to watch. And of course the exterior design by renowned Zaha Hadid is something to look out for.

Spectacular 3D architecture design! Impressive concept! Worth a visit. Beautiful from inside & outside for photos. There was a change of new lease for the shops, so we didn’t get to see many shops on that day. Shops were being refurbished.

Easy access to this wonderful sight to behold. One of Zaha Hadids final master pieces. I visited unknowingly on the anniversary of her death of 31.03, 3 years ago and you can see the reason she was famous. It’s an architectural piece of art for the ages. I am stunned looking at the curves of the building and then to find out it’s mostly usable space was incredible. I thought it would be simply design, but it’s functional which makes it doubly amazing. I absolutely loved every aspect of the building and the exhibits. Another South Korean architectural marvel.

The design plaza is so unique with futuristic exterior. Inside it likes a maze. Without direction information it’s hard to find the right way. Somehow busy due to the fashion week.

I think this place is a worthwhile place to visit while in Seoul. The building is nothing like I’ve seen before. Easy access via subway

If you’re into modern infrastructure, engineering, construction, or art muesuem, you must visit Dongdaemun Design Plaza. This place is perfect for couples or families of all ages. This destination is a futuristic multi-use facility that serves as a museum, shopping center, café, holds public community events, and is connected to the train system. It’s best to visit at night so you could view the beautiful artificial flowers that light-up. The vibe here is very relaxing as people could be found everywhere socializing and being present in the moment.

I didn’t go inside, and suspect that it is even more impressive at night, but it is impressive to be sure. You can exit the subway station directly to it.

Wonderful park to spend an afternoon. Lots of things to see and close to the famous fashion center. Connected by metro and located near many restaurants.

Use Exit 10 to check out the front of DDP illuminated at night.Then walk a long its corridors and admire the changing lights of the structure.

Designed by world renowned architect, Zaha Hadid, DDP is the world’s largest atypical architecture. The DDP is comprised of five halls: Art Hall, Museum, Design Lab, Design Market, and Dongdaemun History and Culture Park. The Art Hall is the primary launch pad for the Korean creative industry.

The building alone is worth the time and then there is so much more going on - I took a couple of hours looking around - it is very organic form and I was really interested in the planting scheme as well. Lovely that there were pianos dotted around for anyone to play when i was there and the very nice restaurants inside too.

Located in a Seoul-style block, dongdaemun design plaza is a extremely strange but spectacular construction. Just like zaha always did, she made DDP the an unusual construction and a representation of dongdaemun or even the whole Seoul.I always like zaha’s design and think it very cool to take photo here. You can take very instergrammable photos inside or outside the building since the the Zaha style is everywhere here.If you hope to take some pure architecture photos, I would recommend you to come the eighth floor of lotte FITIN which is a shopping mall facing to DDP. There are lots of clean windows allowing you to take amazing photos of DDP at night. In contrast, there are some buildings nearby where you can not take satisfying photos for its dirty windows and terrible views.

This is a must see building in Dongdaemun. It looks like a space ship at night with glistering lights all around. The inside is white with curves and angles on the stairways that are pleasing to the eyes. There was an art exhibition on the ground floor and interesting design items for sale when I was there in the beginining of Feburary. There are two cafeterias that I can see on the top floor. They even have a piano outside around the middle entrance under cover for passerbys to display their talents. You can easily spend half a day there if you are into art and design.

Nice building, there are various shops / restaurants/ galleries inside. I took the chance to visit a korean art exposition. It is a good way to spend a couple hours

We went DDP for photostop only. I think we just need 1 hour to explore this place. There are some foodtrucks in December 2018.

Located in Dondaemun, and very close to our hotel, this was a really interesting place to visit for all the family. The building is truly stunning and the design resembles something from the future or like an extra-terrestrial space ship. You can wander around the outside, underneath and inside and the different views of the building continually surprise.Inside there were many things happening. There is a huge and fantastic play area for children, an exhibition of Wallace & Grommit, many shops and restaurants and cultural and art displays. Even the stairways in the building are far from normal and cleverly designed.Probably the best time to visit is in the evening time and at night when the building comes to life with subtly placed lights so it even more resembles a flying saucer or space ship.During our visit in the evening time, there were stands outdoors where people were selling handcrafted items such as jewellery, singers and musicians performing, and food trucks from the Seoul Bamdokkaebi Night Market offering all kinds of really delicious local and foreign snacks and street food.

I find the night view of this beautiful and serene amongst the hustle and bustle of the city. It's a modern walk thru the garden where you will find lit roses and standalone pianos to be played by any passers by (which can be heard from most parts of the spot). In the day you can do more with the design labs, art halls and others alike.

Mnet Music Awards 2018 was done here! There are free entrance in some areas for exhibits and garden. It is located near shopping malls and very convenient to go to because of nearby train station.

Nice lighting around the area. The week that we went there they are having the mama awards but unfortunately we did not see any celebrity. Overall the building is nice.

So glad I got to see this building. Also Love the shop inside. If you are an architect, this is a must place to visit in Seoul.

Unusual and unique gifts all under one roof! We bought baby socks, a big hexagonal dish, a foldable backpack, a watch and K-pop paraphernalia. We had fun checking out the wares that were on display.Tired and hungry? Perk-me-up treats are available at the AID cafe. Scones, sandwiches cake and coffees and teas. They were excellent.

What are pleasant surprise, so many lights were light up and the view is nice. This building with super modern look!

the architecture is amazing. best time to visit is evening so that you can see the lights & reflections over the huge building. there are some exhibition halls inside the building. an iconic land mark of Seoul. highly recommended.

Beautiful building. Attached with the subway that link to main station. Nearby shopping area and restaurants. Didnt get ti catch a show there because we didi not plan to. But indeed it is a beautiful building to admire.

To be able to conceive such a beautiful building and making it a reality is awesome. Must visit the LED Rose garden at Noght

Went there with the intent to explore any design exhibitions. In the end, plans were mired by the architecture and Kakao store. The architecture was fascinating enough to capture even a layman's eyes. At ever angle near the building, it was stunning to see it especially closer to sunset. Spent some time taking photos of the building. Even more fascinating was how the building was not so obtrusive that it was rude to the environment. It remained modestly unobtrusive, retaining the harmony and yet feature it's avant-garde intent.For families, they can pop by the Kakao shop for photo opportunities with the cute figurines there. Shopping is welcomed there too.The basement has F&B outlets and shops. The building is conveniently connected to the Dongdaemun History & Culture Park.

It’s a beautiful building and you should visit if you are a champion of significant architecture. If you love art, you will be shattered with disappointment. There is no art here. Changing exhibitions means that all galleries were closed. Buildings designed to be galleries have been turned into job fairs, malls and food courts. It’s pathetic that a civic project has been allowed to be so misaligned with the original intent.

you must try this branch of Aori japanese ramen. the soup broth is so thick and yummy. the sliced pork doesn’t smell and it was so soft, it melted in my mouth. the noodle was not soft or over cooked and it still had a good bite to it. i ate here in 2 consecutive days. you have to ask for their english menu

We were not aware if there was any exhibit going on the time. We came at night and did not explore much, but it was already awesome.

Remember : on Monday they closed!!! No one told me even this TripAdvisor that DDP is closed every Monday... we took far away travel to DDP from Gangnam-gu after myeongdong by train but when we are here is closed... only design market is open... lost our time!!!

Dongdaemun design plaza designed by Zaha Hadid is beautiful and futuristic with curvaceous forms. There is artwork exhibited, a cafe and much more. I enjoyed walking around it and admiring the beatiful forms. There are also other stores and restaurants in the surrounding area.

It’s a pretty awesome looking building to go see! It’s also where all the shopping malls are so it’s worth it to go see and the light up white roses are just outside!

I visited Dongdaemun Design Plaza when I when to visit the Dongdaemun Market. It is nearby and you have to visit this place to enjoy its unique architecture. It is a major cultural complex and host events such as Korean Fashion Week and so on. But if not for those shows, you just visit the place to appreciate its unique design and architecture.

Fantastic structure on the edge of the inner city of Seoul in the bustling markets of Dongdaemun. Located on the site of the old baseball stadium the DDP represents a unique piece of building which looks like a huge sculpture in the classic curvy design of Zaha Hadid. Carefully built using BIM modelling the building contains galleries, shops and public areas inside and outside for just viewing and enjoying the atmosphere. The building has lots of secretes and is worth a tour. In December 2018 there will be a display of fine jewelry from the famous jewelry house of Switzerland. Definitely worth a look !

Dongdaemun Design Plaza is a well known architecture and unique structure in Seoul. Better be here and be amaze!

When around late afternoon, you cannot miss that landmark. Got a mix feeling about the place.... got shops and quite confusing for me. The lights display/design has dimmed (when I was there) and not as impressive as initially thoughts but still acceptable view at night. Use your imagination and photo app ;-)

Visited this iconic architectural site on 26 October 2018 about 5 PM, it’s the perfect time to take pictures only a couple hours before sunset, we still have natural light, shadow was softer, the angles and length more vibrant. The view was breath-taking.

DDP is a landmark that can’t be missed in Dongdaemun. Check the design shops and museum in the building for interesting design items. There was a street play by a young group about plastic pollution and a Halloween-themed food truck lane. DDP is more beautiful at night.

ddp has an amazing architecture, quiet interesting ... Walking was quiet cool and we had a wonderful time , perfect weather when we went there last october...

Only visited during the day. Some people say here that it looks great at night. Im sure it would. They pulled down a huge baseball complex to build this amazing shell of a building on this site. Its great looking on the outside, but its the opposite of the Tardis. Big on the outside, virtually nothing on the inside. A couple of unattended sad sort of museums ( with boxes etc just lying around) , a small shopping centre and a train station entry. Must have cost a bomb. Nice curvy lines yes, practical/ useful - not at all. Underutilised. An opportunity lost ( a concert hall it should have been or just a modern stadium etc ) and I love modern architecture, but only if it is functional.

We purposely went there to see the landscape and the building, modern and we were like walking under a space ship hoping to meet some aliens there. Don't miss the LED Rose garden. Did not went for shopping there.

This beautiful curvilinear building and artwork is an oxymoron to historical and cultural park. We only had time to walk the west side of the building and browse the arty design themed shops in the south part of the building. There are interesting pieces to buy in these shops. It’s a worthwhile visit on its own, or if some of your party prefers shopping for clothes at the malls across the street and you don’t.

After seeing Korea's traditional houses, Dondaemun's design plaza shows the other side of Korea. The place is best viewed at night to see how the lights on the building facade highlights its modern design/architecture.

South Koreans joke about how this place looks like a spaceship. There's not much to see in the inside if there are no events like the Seoul Fashion Show. It is the outside that will be fun for most of tourists. You'll get nice Instagram photos here.

This was very near my hotel and it was really impressive at night. The building was lit up and looked very modern. There was so much to do around the building. Highly recommended.

Try visiting when they hold the evening markets. The whole place is amazingly designed (hence the name) and some of the galleries and exhibits are definitely good.Even the stairways are nicely designed, not forgetting the lightings.a good 1hr walk, even when your aim was to shop at DDM

The building is beautiful and an amazing work of art. The walkways and overhanging beams make for great photos. There's many small boutiques inside that sell some of the most unique gifts and home decor I've ever seen! The top floor has a green-space and restaurant. Great area for just walking around.

We went to see this at the end of our trip; the design museum was closed (not sure why.) There’s a nice gift shop inside with handcrafted items by Korean artists which are reasonable and better quality (bought some earrings.). Ended up at a shopping area (Lotte) across the street which was standard fare (most of the clothing had no prices on them, a little odd.)

This Zaha Hadid-designed building is absolutely stunning, both inside and out and is a must see if you are interested in architecture. Photos don’t do it justice as it is such a vast space from up close. Inside there is a large exhibition space featuring young designers which is great for browsing for gifts. Outside it is a short walk through the park to the shopping area of Dongdaemun.

Come over to experience one of the last great architectural masterpieces by Zaha Hadid. It will not disappoint. She quickly understood that Seoul is defined by its seven rings of mountains. Resembling a blobby mountainscape, you can walk on top of the complex and see the mountains yourself. Come at about dusk. The night illumination of this building is stunning. Inside, one of the wings has a great collection of design stores that is easy to walk through and enjoyable to browse. The other wings have changing exhibitions and shows. Incredibly easy to get to as it is connected to the subway. Don't forget the world famous GwangJang Open Market featured on travel shows worldwide for the cheapest and best eats. Take a stroll along the Cheonggye Cheon Canal to get away from the city.

We arrived just before sunset & had the chance to see the transformation of this piece of art with the day & night time. An absolute gem in the Centre of Seoul. Worth going to appreciate the beauty created by an amazing artist.

It was fun in there and the epic designs of structures are superb! Definitely an instagram-worthy place! Spend the afternoon there while waiting for our flight back to our country and it was the right decision!

Visited the DDP at night and it was so beautiful. The architectural beauty of Zaha Hadid's design is accentuated at night with lights to wonderful effect. Didn't enter the building rather enjoyed the building and sculptures from outside. Definitely worth a look.

Beautiful. Hard to find the entrance. Great outdoor space as well. The area has shopping and food. Make sure to look for the rose garden.

Great location,and everything looks new, suitable for girls' stay. Easy going to all major points with metro or taxi, and many good food choices around. Definitely will choose it again.

Place has a peculiar architecture and an interesting one. The exhibits are also informative. Lets you learn about the Korean culture as well as culture of others.

it’s better to visit DDP at sunset, so you can enjoy a breathtaking view from the building and enjoy the vibrant walking areas.

This building is definitely one-of-a-kind in Seoul with its neo-futuristic design and massive perimeter (kind of looks like a UFO, IMO). Best visited at night when all of its lights are switched on. Tip: For foodies like myself, there is an awesome food court at Doota Mall (opposite DDP), Basement 1. Worth a visit!

The Design Plaza is an interesting building and if you are in the neigbourhood you should drop by. Wheter it's worth a major detour depend on what's on display.

It is better to view this from a distance so you can appreciate the whole architecture. But once inside, there is not much to do.

It is a very interesting building, especially for someone who loves to take architecture pictures ! There is a small russian district nearby.

I'm not much into artworks but my sister really wanted to go so we headed over. From the outside it is stunning, with a couple of lovely statues, and inside is pretty cool too - though not as much to see as I thought there would be. A few of the areas were pretty enjoyable to look at, and I enjoyed the design plaza with all the different shops - lots of cute little items for sale.

The building itself is great...especially if you like architecture photography. The shops downstairs are nothing special. but as its close to Dongdeamun Market its certainly worth a look around.

During my short trip to Seoul, I tried to walk around the city as much as I could and found that stumbling upon the DDP around night was one of the highlights of my time there. It's absolutely stunning, there's ample space to just sit and relax, chat with friends, or take in the sights. Lots of stores as well, including a LINE Friends one that was super interesting to check out and do some souvenir shopping at. Not sure it this would still be here but there were also lots of pop-up pianos that you were welcome to use and created a really awesome atmosphere. Nearby electronic rose garden was also absolutely stunning. Overall, even if you can't stay long, definitely try to stop by the DDP during your time in Seoul.

Omg, this place you can shop and shop till you drop.... many many kinds of fashion outlets and all the newest fashion are found here...

a new place to hangout, and very stylish even at night. People are very relaxed and there's night markets every Friday and Saturday. Though not many foods for selection, you won't regret visiting.

We visited the Dongdaemun Design Plaza late in the afternoon after a day of sightseeing as I was interested in seeing the Zaha-Hadid designed building in real life. The building itself is breathtakingly beautiful and equally impressive in my opinion and worth the trip alone. What makes it even better is that there is a very large kids play area on the top floor that provided hours of (air-conditioned) fun for our kids on a very hot day. In a busy city like Seoul that does not have a tremendous amount of activities for kids (note we live in Sydney, Australia so we're very spoilt for choice) this can be an absolute life saver and I don't understand why the play area is not advertised more.If I were to make a top 3 of things to visit in Seoul, the DDP would definitely be in it.

If I say this the same as mangga dua jakarta indonesia. Goods there tend to be expensive. If not join the tour then this place can be missed. But if you join a tour then try touring around the building, you will find Korean street food

Very impressive architecture. Saw the led roses lit up at night. Beautiful. There were stalls selling handmade accessories and essential oils. There were also carts selling food and drinks at night. Prices are quite high tho.

The architecture is beautiful and very futuristic looking. There are a bunch of shops inside, The second time I came here (in 2015 I think), there was some type of event going on outside with a stage set up and some music artists were performing. It was no one I recognized and I think they were rehearsing for something later in the day or evening. It definitely seemed like things were still being set up. The subway stops right at the DDP, so it's convenient to get to via subway. You could spend so much time just taking photos outside before even going inside to explore. It's also close to Doota and other shopping areas right across the street so expect to spend a few hours in this area if you want to go shopping.

We went there primarily to shop nearby and took a coffee break inside one of the cafes. The structure is really impressive for the architecture and good for photos. It is also a subway stop so it's handy to exit here and look around this shopping neighborhood.

This is a huge place full of interesting architectural designs. There are some shops indoors; another museum, cool eating/cafe area inside. Lots of great spots for pics. My daughter was there a couple of months ago during Fashion week & said you could see all kinds of ordinary people dressed wild, over the top, & cool during that time around there.- Our favorite part was relaxing outdoors on the big blue lounge beds. You must take your shoes off & then just lay down relax & enjoy the shaded breeze.

As many are aware of, the design is the work of the famous Zaha Hadid.Looking very cool with futuristic curvy edges.But, the inside is not impressive. There were just a few events and shops. It felt like a newly built office building.There are some things to have fun, though. I found a free piano to play near the entrance in the middle.

Actually I didn't take many events there. When I was there, there were some special exhibition or shows, but I didn't have enough time, so I can't enjoy them. But I looked around design shops and design museum there, and it was great experience.