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that you had mentioned that location two layer four is like not that likely to happen um and this this sense of like just what is or just you know everything is just the way it is or whatever um that doesnt seem to go in and out um but you know theres theres no perceptual difference to it its just you know its just like not an understanding but its just like it feels like once thats there why would you think otherwise you know | 3 | LAY4 |
its very possible that youve had some glimpses of that so as you you know work with layer three and sinking in in that direction you might have memories come up like that | 2 | LAY3 |
love compassion you know joy those were such a live motions | 2 | LAY3 |
you know in your experience you may not be experiencing those as strongly as you otherwise would without being in layer three and having you know sort of the experience of layer three | 2 | LAY3 |
a divine experience | 2 | LAY3 |
which pulls you all the way back to layer one and location one basically as those as those experiences fade | 0 | LAY1 |
it kind of flushes me with warmth you know its wonderful i wish i had that in winter | 2 | LAY3 |
deeper stillness infused within the spacious emptiness | 0 | LAY1 |
when you say luminosity what experience | 2 | LAY3 |
i think the centralist thing might not relate to deep and layer three center lessness | 2 | LAY3 |
everything arises | 1 | LAY2 |
thats generally your sense of what you are except when your attention gets very pulled into layer one at which point we dont know for sure whether your identity shifts there or whether just all of your attention is occupied with it and youre not noticing the the space around things | 0 | LAY1 |
there was just one thing i wanted to say its interesting listening to the way youre speaking because youll the way youre phrasing your experience by saying theres no me or i disappear or you know theres no self there is actually relative to the reference point of your ordinary sense of self so if you stabilize in layer three and really have that be your sense of self its theres more of a tendency to just say well am you know this kind of all pervading field of presence | 2 | LAY3 |
layer three is going to add so much more freedom | 2 | LAY3 |
its for everybody its like that experience i had on mount sinai when i encountered jesus | 2 | LAY3 |
shifting into layer two | 1 | LAY2 |
and but there s this is like one very positive feeling where that in a very strong connectedness to other people i so there is a sense of self but it s not it s not important so it s but i can feel the difference | 2 | LAY3 |
then you get increasing distance from that starting at layer two and working your way up through the layers | 1 | LAY2 |
feels like a big space | 2 | LAY3 |
presence i | 2 | LAY3 |
i remember then i can sense the presence as initially as one of the objects that is in and then i have to sort of relax | 2 | LAY3 |
layer one isnt in the mix as much and that can feel just so much more encompassing as an experience of nonduality | 0 | LAY1 |
layer three sort of presence thing then that would suggest that you are fluidly moving at least some of the time | 2 | LAY3 |
location two layer three because thats a really good place to talk to people | 2 | LAY3 |
so in like a watcher kind of way | 0 | LAY1 |
layer three that really resonates | 2 | LAY3 |
theres not theres nothing centered on you perceiving those sounds either as a hearer or as a more localized but different from the rest of it sense of spaciousness or something like that you know as well | 1 | LAY2 |
but in layer three it does become infused with more like again this bubbling energy with this joy and more softness its also a kind of openness but its more communicative with the environment its like more sensitivity and more energy and it can turn into joy also and gratitude things like that | 2 | LAY3 |
spaciousness or presence | 1 | LAY2 |
love is impersonal | 2 | LAY3 |
it was pretty noticeable when we jeffrey did the sinking into layer two meditation that was more like distinct than my usual state | 1 | LAY2 |
somehow to convince their system to go dual again so that they can take advantage of probably by that point where theyre at in layer three of location two to allow a switch | 2 | LAY3 |
kind of a sense of the divine | 0 | LAY1 |
first transition | 0 | LAY1 |
more diffuse stillness | 2 | LAY3 |
i have my doubts about that one because sometimes i feel like maybe a more like a layer four but because i dont feel theres a container per se but i do describe it as sort of a bubble of perception which is a container but i cannot find really a boundary to that so it doesnt really feel like a container to me | 3 | LAY4 |
you know youre past the sense point obviously of layer two youre to the direct perceiving of layer two at various amounts of depth of layer two and even to the point where youre starting to get occasional periods of identity shifting into it and so thats you know a really good progression into layer two | 1 | LAY2 |
so you might be more in that direction in the sense that you get that profound sense of peace and very little affect in that deeper place in layer three in location two then then you know and thats thats fine but if you want the love joy version of it um you may need to either try to bias your system in that direction by you know seeing if you can call up the love joy sort of qualities that tends to be a little bit shallower in layer | 2 | LAY3 |
location three layer three | 2 | LAY3 |
to be really functional as opposed to location two layer three | 2 | LAY3 |
when you access layer one when youre triggered | 0 | LAY1 |
theres been a lot of stillness and almost since even very early on when i asked you about fullness i started to be a stillness that came on almost like the stillness was providing you access to introspect on the fullness or something like that | 2 | LAY3 |
sometimes yeah sometimes i certainly had it as i go a little bit deeper like as im kind of like more like with time space the time just space sort of yeah like maybe slightly different from all the other space but sort of space | 1 | LAY2 |
would mean a loss of self loss of the center loss of beingness um loss of ones own existence so um so yeah its its natural that your system would kind of pull back to even if its just the upper reaches of layer three where there is awareness | 3 | LAY4 |
like that joy is always there | 2 | LAY3 |
kind of calm stillness | 1 | LAY2 |
i think thats maybe why layer two seems less familiar | 1 | LAY2 |
no thought feels true or important | 0 | LAY1 |
and you can use that period to work on exploring and deepening into layer three where youre already at but you could also start seeing if you can develop some fluidity or access to layer three | 2 | LAY3 |
mind is much more quiet | 0 | LAY1 |
theres a flatness | 3 | LAY4 |
intensely present | 1 | LAY2 |
i do notice that when i do some deep work or i really go into that layer three experience that feeling will come up | 2 | LAY3 |
when i do come into that spaciousness | 1 | LAY2 |
the body can relax and the blocks can relax as well and a feeling of being of being connected to my environment feeling that around me and through me and more through through through the center of the of the of the heart area and feeling like it it is looking back at me and and yeah feeling a sense of of emptiness or loneliness or loneliness but but then it can change and it feels quite quite full and and that arises also within within the center of my heart or my space when my heart is and if i sort of feel feel feel into my heart theres a sense of sacredness or our maternal beingness there like a like a feeling of of of purity of purity of timelessness like like a sense of a sense of perfection um expression or play and um yeah sort of so thats when i do the exercises where i stop and look and thats what i tend to find but i guess sort of in my day to day life i feel as though me and i still have i still feel like im a self ive got a body but but i can just take a moment and i can i can feel that spaciousness around me and and often like ill work quite a lot so often ill be quite tired and i do that energy that really changes i feel much more energized and relaxed when i do that | 2 | LAY3 |
and then you talked about a joy and deep peace spreading throughout you when you receive the eucharist | 2 | LAY3 |
fullness as a is an attribute of layer three and so you know focusing on sort of a core attribute of layer three is no guarantee that its going to just continue to sort of deepen you further into layer three to the point where that will fall away the safest thing to sort of focus on is a sense of silence or stillness whichever one of those is most relevant to you and that in your experience is sort of thats the thread that sort of runs you know to the deepest point in this particular you know sequence um and so if i were to focus on anything it would probably be um you know to focus on that the other thing that i would focus on is trying to perceive whats on the other side of that boundary | 2 | LAY3 |
disinterest and lack of affinity with others | 0 | LAY1 |
it doesnt feel differentiated but like it doesnt feel like theres too much of a differentiation between me and the room and so the aliveness that i feel inside of me and my energy i guess is yeah i dont i dont see a clear distinction between that and whats going on around me | 2 | LAY3 |
continual expansion | 1 | LAY2 |
like when i met when i meditate or if i do someone noting im always saying im being being a lot | 2 | LAY3 |
layer one level | 0 | LAY1 |
but i think one thing that your layer one could do it would be nice your mind could do that would be nice and that you could do maybe in terms of reminding your mind would be to just be okay accepting more of your experience without all of this second guessing | 0 | LAY1 |
seeing you as this magical being | 2 | LAY3 |
layer one that you have greatly reduced selfreflexive thought story and past future | 0 | LAY1 |
and so thats a deeper experience of both or of layer two than just directly experiencing it | 1 | LAY2 |
and then goes up to layer two in location one | 1 | LAY2 |
also have experience of emptiness and mean did | 1 | LAY2 |
so id say for this weekend you know you can watch the layer two stuff play around with it if you want but probably or have more of an affinity to the layer three stuff | 2 | LAY3 |
happy | 2 | LAY3 |
how there is this experience as i go a little bit deeper how things are sort of like like they are frozen you know like in in toys i think thats the movie theyre the toys are all alive but then the kid looks at them they are like they are not moving so it sort of feels like that like everything is alive but its not moving because im looking at it and so as soon as i stop looking at it it will you know things will start moving | 1 | LAY2 |
layer one through | 0 | LAY1 |
yeah i would think probably not too it can really feel like a return to layer one if youve become more established | 0 | LAY1 |
universal i would say that there was that guess i saw that fear wasnt necessary and that it was conditioned | 1 | LAY2 |
theres a very spaciousness quality to that moment | 1 | LAY2 |
god without it feeling divine | 2 | LAY3 |
presence would generally be more layer three but can absolutely be layer two | 1 | LAY2 |
clear openness never goes away | 1 | LAY2 |
do you feel like its the fullness thats perceiving the spaciousness as in is your sense of what you are remaining kind of rooted in layer three and sort of becoming aware of the spaciousness or emptiness | 2 | LAY3 |
regarding layer three right but id say its a minority of people that are going to experience either one of those i never experienced anything involving luminosity for instance i did experience sort of the viscous fluid thing heard a lot of other people describing the luminosity thing | 2 | LAY3 |
sounds and colors and everything just becomes enjoyable | 2 | LAY3 |
theres spaciousness there theres emptiness there | 1 | LAY2 |
mystery | 3 | LAY4 |
so you really want to be using your access to layer two you want to be trying to spend as much time as you can sinking into being the spaciousness when that occurs trying to get that to happen as much as you can trying to just sink into it you know put your attention on it sink into it communicate to your nervous system this is what we want this is what we want this is what we want | 1 | LAY2 |
layer two | 1 | LAY2 |
layer three is more like it feels like its this you know field of presence thats still and pervades everything infuses everything um rather than necessarily being the things you can get that type of experience but it certainly doesnt feel like its around things or its containing them it feels you know very clearly like its sort of yeah pervading everything | 2 | LAY3 |
i am my thoughts and emotions | 0 | LAY1 |
accepting the stillness | 2 | LAY3 |
layer three with the help of the descriptions | 2 | LAY3 |
sense that there is this sort of space within which the universe shows up or you can feel that you are that space | 1 | LAY2 |
covarying with the active qualities of layer one | 0 | LAY1 |
clear openness | 1 | LAY2 |
certain qualities of layer two | 1 | LAY2 |
if you were in layer three of location two and you were in a spot that had you something like joy or love or whatever arising then that would be your experience and so it s gotten a lot more nuanced as weve released more and more information and detail and just sort of had time to do that | 2 | LAY3 |
im immediately noticing that im the witness um and then its obvious its easy to notice then that things have an emptiness about them and that theres | 1 | LAY2 |
its like its got its own gravitational pull | 2 | LAY3 |
because at that point its like the light cant turn towards it and light up inequalities and thats the only way you know that knowing has happened you know its always been relational even though its in union or it can be nondual but theres still that which knows like awareness that which lights up experience and when that entirely disappears into existence itself or into reality its only that unto itself which is entirely without those qualities | 2 | LAY3 |
so then then i realized after reading the book like one and a half times so im like oh well maybe that spaciousness is whats referred to when im in meditation and theres this part of it where we call the ring space and i go there and its just just all space and it feels happy to be there um but the thing that confused me was that i couldnt say in that experience that everything was arising from that space its like someplace i go to so that thats why well maybe thats the beginning of layer two | 1 | LAY2 |
because location two layer four can sound so much like | 3 | LAY4 |
deeper stillness pervading and coexisting with the spaciousness and emptiness | 0 | LAY1 |