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so thats sort of after layer two | 1 | LAY2 |
but the identity has a sort of inertia to it and the longer i stay with that layer three experience the more like slowly that identity starts maybe to move a little bit | 2 | LAY3 |
alternating presence | 2 | LAY3 |
space spaciousness | 1 | LAY2 |
if that really drops away completely um that may be more noticeable but even then because of the lack of self reflection its very possible for finders to just not even notice that right um but yeah thats thats a significant kind of shift when layer three really disappears from perception along with any remaining sense of even the most impersonal form of self or beingness | 2 | LAY3 |
its got an impersonal quality to it | 2 | LAY3 |
that that aloneness quality that seems to come up sometimes in association with layer two | 1 | LAY2 |
layer twos primary properties are things like spaciousness and emptiness | 1 | LAY2 |
i dont think a lot of people would necessarily use those words okay some people use them and sure think if you if you have the experience in a very complete way which means identity has shifted into being that all pervading field of presence um then probably if you read that you could be like okay i could describe it this way um but awareness is a very its a very general term and some people will use that to describe layer two or so | 1 | LAY2 |
experiencing all of that is nothingness | 3 | LAY4 |
this is a stillness for | 2 | LAY3 |
when there was stress there was a lot of stress stuff like that that still arises but now it feels like less of a default so so now because of that whatever happened after that like i feel like im more in layer two | 1 | LAY2 |
primarily joy | 2 | LAY3 |
what about a sense of being in union with something either the divine or you know like an all conscious presence of sorts but not being one with it not being it right yeah but being you know sort of increasingly merging in with it | 1 | LAY2 |
so it sounds um definitely you know interject if this doesnt sound right to you um were just trying to make sense of your way of interpreting your experience and and languaging it but it does sound like your attention is much more on the space essentially or on the the emptiness surrounding objects of perception or the space between them and because your attention is much more on that the spaciousness is almost like more in the foreground or more what your attention is centering on than the things and so the things kind of are in the background you could think of or more backgrounded than the spaciousness which produces you know this focus on the spaciousness or the emptiness in which everything is arising | 1 | LAY2 |
you know almost made me pee my pants when it first happened to me in india 25 years ago it was like it wasnt just there was this amazing fullness it was like i was i was sitting next to the ganges river late at night with this huge rapids right next to me and suddenly i was the rock that i was leaning on and then i was the rapids and then i was the entire ganges and then i was the entire planet and then it just kept going to way beyond what my mind could kind of keep up so that was the flavor of my of my initial awakening | 2 | LAY3 |
do feel like there still is fullness | 2 | LAY3 |
layer one in terms of your sense of self and your dominant perspective then there would be | 0 | LAY1 |
feel less tired and way more excited about the natural world | 0 | LAY1 |
so see what see if you can really deepen your access to layer to be able to shift their fluidly at least to a very you know complete experience of it if not to an identity shift and see what that does you know when when theres a trigger or something even if its a very subtle trigger just really sink into that layer two experience and see what that does | 1 | LAY2 |
not a static expansion | 1 | LAY2 |
sense of emptiness | 1 | LAY2 |
isolated there or kind of not really aware of layer one um and you you are still aware of layer one then it would show up | 0 | LAY1 |
you know have a center so to speak of increasing layers of dense feeling in the spaciousness | 1 | LAY2 |
sometimes emptiness | 1 | LAY2 |
layer one is going to be very present and subjective experience and you know the quality | 0 | LAY1 |
layer two experience | 1 | LAY2 |
and we try to see where where youve come back to or whether theres some fluidity in the system thats producing sort of the more layer three type experiences that youve regained access to | 2 | LAY3 |
like its holding everything like everythings appearing in it i cant see the edges of it though its a bit its a bit like um guess the ocean would be a good metaphor mean although you kind of he know that the ocean has limits you cant see them but i dont i dont know theres any limits to this because i cant see them and i dont you dont have that reference point to know theres any limits to it so i suppose im probably not using the word container correctly | 2 | LAY3 |
layer four is difficult to get to | 3 | LAY4 |
so that makes a lot of sense okay so lets then think about location three lets see if we can find a location three type experience in layer three | 2 | LAY3 |
comfort and the fullness | 2 | LAY3 |
layer one can have that sort of individual sense of self arising as part of that one field of experience | 0 | LAY1 |
but it does sort of have a permeating quality in the space as well | 1 | LAY2 |
steadily and then i descend into layer one and thats unpleasant | 0 | LAY1 |
location three combination layer one | 0 | LAY1 |
awareness | 2 | LAY3 |
its there and then i feel a sense of fullness really | 2 | LAY3 |
which is why i dont think that you should just keep inching your way deeper into layer two that youre already deeply rooted in when youre getting really solid access to layer three | 2 | LAY3 |
its it sounds like what youre experiencing there is is a is an awareness or an ability to perceive layer one and the sense of self that it generates from wherever youre at | 0 | LAY1 |
fullness presence | 2 | LAY3 |
it just feels like everything is just here | 1 | LAY2 |
so it feels like its outside the fullness trying to poke into it or does it feel like its in the fullness somehow | 2 | LAY3 |
environment under trigger its more like 11 and then kind of off on my own doing my thing | 0 | LAY1 |
lets say its just an open space to me like its theres just if i step back so if im stepping back and just um saying if theres no thought if im if im not putting thought into it it just its kind of just is so theres not really a sea without thought | 1 | LAY2 |
boundary or maybe even sometimes a little over into that experience | 3 | LAY4 |
flat | 3 | LAY4 |
either location one with some shallow access to layer two | 1 | LAY2 |
capable of great focus and efficiency | 0 | LAY1 |
hearer or a listener | 2 | LAY3 |
less identification with thoughts | 0 | LAY1 |
okayness the beingness | 0 | LAY1 |
it sounds to me more like youve got some space youve got some distance from thoughts and emotions and | 1 | LAY2 |
theyre in the direction of something you want to deepen into and so it doesnt really matter whether that turns out to be a vocation deeper in location to layer three or whether its location three layer three it gives you a direction that you can work with to sink into and deepen your experience of layer three | 2 | LAY3 |
rich and the sensory experience | 2 | LAY3 |
pulled back to probably layer one | 0 | LAY1 |
field of awareness | 2 | LAY3 |
joy is always my weak spot | 2 | LAY3 |
only more illusion is lost | 3 | LAY4 |
it feels too small | 1 | LAY2 |
life is full it goes fast | 2 | LAY3 |
so would it be accurate to say that when youre there your sense of what you are is that presence of fullness pervading everything | 2 | LAY3 |
i feel like really just im in layer one i think when im busy | 0 | LAY1 |
felt nice i was kind of surprised surprised at that point | 2 | LAY3 |
you can have a lot change in your state of consciousness in terms of your sense of self in terms of a lot of things related to fundamental wellbeing without realizing it you can even have emotions fall away and suddenly at some point you realize oh theyre all gone you know when that happened and it can have been you know some weeks sometimes um so yes and you know any of these changes can happen without them appearing dramatic or sudden or even being noticed immediately so definitely dont discard your experience or expect you know if theres some significant deepening that has to happen in that way it usually doesnt um okay yeah thank you okay well your experience sounds sounds like layer two | 1 | LAY2 |
theres spaciousness at another point theres the body at another point | 1 | LAY2 |
layer three of location two and still be very much personally in love with someone | 2 | LAY3 |
make that whole spacious thing show up in one way | 1 | LAY2 |