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think of spaciousness all the time | 1 | LAY2 |
others like ones of layer one tend to be dissolved very rapidly by layer two | 0 | LAY1 |
well right now the conversation is happening in the presence the presence is the bigger thing so now im trying to remember like i think its the opposite way around so theres more sort of like i am the whatever that personality is or i sort of believe it more | 2 | LAY3 |
layer three can be a passive background to the activity of layer one | 2 | LAY3 |
fullness right | 2 | LAY3 |
aliveness or sense of beingness | 2 | LAY3 |
emotion kind of the mind | 0 | LAY1 |
yeah it feels full | 2 | LAY3 |
a center in the spaciousness | 1 | LAY2 |
spaciousness and emptiness | 1 | LAY2 |
focused | 0 | LAY1 |
so theres been plenty of time for for a lot of deconditioning and reconditioning to happen even at layer one | 0 | LAY1 |
that fullness is basically permeating and infusing the experience | 2 | LAY3 |
almost like a place of belonging | 2 | LAY3 |
its there and location two layer three and then the personal side drops off and location three and then emotion itself drops off and location four and thats whats providing that richness you know of that experience and so its although there can still be you know a sense of presence found in the experience and stuff like that its like an alien type of presence compared to you know what someone experienced up to that and its going to you know youre typically speaking youre going to lose access to it in a matter of weeks and root more into just layer four and location four | 3 | LAY4 |
layer two which is really you know the that is the classical endpoint for so many systems and traditions that is identifying as the you know spacious empty presence of awareness um and feeling that you are that and are untouched by all experience and everything you describe is is really that kind of classical enlightenment in many systems | 1 | LAY2 |
layer two or and i have had like particularly in gis like a feeling of fullness almost like something thats about to burst or an excited anticipation or potential | 1 | LAY2 |
spaciousness emptiness | 1 | LAY2 |
there isnt a distinction between you and it | 2 | LAY3 |
layer one id say is more in the head theres more thoughts a little more noise too is more in the flow | 0 | LAY1 |
like layer three is sort of you know fluid but its sort of like i dont know lounging around its like sort of there but in more of the location three state it was like it was almost dancing | 2 | LAY3 |
sense of presence | 2 | LAY3 |
but the shift into layer four is you know it can be an intense one and it really is very different than everything that comes before it and so you know lots of strange things can happen on the way to it in the direction of it you know sort of associated with it um and its possible that when you felt like you had made progress in that direction and then you had this other sort of experience come in that it was you know just one of those types of things in that direction | 3 | LAY4 |
rich experience | 3 | LAY4 |
it feels like like one little point one little point trying to poke into all the fullness | 2 | LAY3 |
layer three has fullness associated with it | 2 | LAY3 |
through layer one as an example | 0 | LAY1 |
fullness or awareness | 2 | LAY3 |
like the qualities of layer two is just you know spaciousness or emptiness a sense of everything arising within it as it if your universe view feels like kind of this um all containing sense of this one thing thats just arising that is um i suppose if its layer two in essence it would feel somehow like it is the space within which the universe arises or that the universe is somehow composed of a spacious emptiness or that type of quality | 1 | LAY2 |
its just like quiet everythings quiet its like a quiet acceptance | 1 | LAY2 |
personal sense of self | 0 | LAY1 |
you have a sense of perception arising from spaciousness in terms of the thoughts in terms of the vision and auditory based exercises in terms of whats noticing it | 1 | LAY2 |
listener | 2 | LAY3 |
its not necessarily because its temporary and because the reference point is remaining at layer one um its kind of its not necessarily reflecting on and deepening into the sense of actually being that all pervading presence even though that is your subjective experience if i ask you about it yeah | 0 | LAY1 |
i dont know if id call it resonance i would call it like i i can be there | 0 | LAY1 |
your is getting a lot more freedom some of those types of things are bubbling up more than they would otherwise | 1 | LAY2 |
dont feel a sense of boundaries but guess i keep identifying the center still as an eye because i guess there are times when i feel like more real nondual by which i mean like um | 1 | LAY2 |
theres much more flow now than there used to be | 1 | LAY2 |
mentally quieter | 1 | LAY2 |
when i take the eucharist and its in my mouth and im swallowing and then i go back to the pew and then i sit down and then all of a sudden theres just even even when im there at the rail it can start that i just feel its like joy coming from | 2 | LAY3 |
massive landscape in layer three | 2 | LAY3 |
contains everything | 1 | LAY2 |
and it sounds to me like its a classic case of going to layer two | 1 | LAY2 |
location one layer two right now because im feeling that im seeing from the body um but at the same time its like completely different from before because im like the peace and the stillness | 1 | LAY2 |
so spaciousness and stuff layer too | 1 | LAY2 |
you describe it as a joy a positivity a contentment a warmth a glow | 2 | LAY3 |
emptiness of layer two | 1 | LAY2 |
fullness element | 2 | LAY3 |
and maybe the way to get at that a little bit more is to go on to what happens when you do actually sink in and when you have the thing in your sternum in the center of your chest or whatever basically happening that that sense of a void i mean a void is one of those things that you hear you know thats a term thats very strongly associated with layer two and certainly especially at a nondual type of location like location two | 1 | LAY2 |
could kind of find this vibrating quality to perception | 2 | LAY3 |
what about the qualities that are associated with layer three | 2 | LAY3 |
bunch of separate objects out there that its looking at | 1 | LAY2 |
thats probably maybe what your mind is thinking of might that shift might involve | 2 | LAY3 |
do you have a sense of your identity being centered in layer one | 0 | LAY1 |
so do you notice any other changes weve talked about layer two and spaciousness and | 1 | LAY2 |
yeah it makes me wonder if like some part of the layer one identity has discovered that this is a way that it can | 0 | LAY1 |
new level of stillness and silence | 1 | LAY2 |
with layer four | 3 | LAY4 |
layer one sort of sense of self type of stuff that youre paying attention to there | 0 | LAY1 |
when its when presence is filling the whole space as its still radiating from you | 1 | LAY2 |
fullness this | 2 | LAY3 |
theres a quietness theres a vividness to the visual field things look more beautiful theres more appreciation was kind of a question that kind of had for you is it feels like for me beauty is a little bit of a gateway when i notice and im not talking about something that has to be you know prototypically beautiful but just like the pot sitting in the kitchen that suddenly look beautiful and | 1 | LAY2 |
funny | 2 | LAY3 |
really good feeling | 2 | LAY3 |
i just see things as thing nonliving material | 0 | LAY1 |
it just is | 2 | LAY3 |
feeling of spaciousness or just layer two | 1 | LAY2 |
you know the it can be worth thinking into for some people if they get that sense of aliveness in the body that if you just really sink into it for some people that can open up deeper aspects of layer three stillness the silence beneath that aliveness kind of has a depth to it | 2 | LAY3 |
how deep you are in layer three | 2 | LAY3 |
clear light of awareness | 2 | LAY3 |
war zones that occur in the spiritual and religious communities | 2 | LAY3 |
were just looking mostly at how the fullness is showing up | 2 | LAY3 |
i would just be continuing to move in the direction of presence you know continuing to sink in in that direction of presence and seeing you know if you can pull yourself into more of a persistent experience of layer three | 2 | LAY3 |
so it kind of felt like that after enlightenment that everything is just perfect nothing bothers me and everything is easy and i can do anything and | 2 | LAY3 |
perception of the spaciousness | 1 | LAY2 |
nothingness | 1 | LAY2 |
so when i get triggered so the sort of the triggers where im like pleading with reality to be different than it is that kind of trigger that when its happening so when were at the house up in emerald hills one of the people that was there was talking about contracting around things and expanding outside of that which was a term that i hadnt really heard used before and that really kind of mapped well to what im doing right like when thats happening i feel like im just like shrink wrapped around whatever problem is happening and then exactly and then the relief comes when i notice that im shrink wrapped around the problem which obviously is going to be happening from a perspective of layer two | 1 | LAY2 |
presence in | 2 | LAY3 |
increasingly permeating and infusing things | 2 | LAY3 |
so when im in layer three definitely its full | 2 | LAY3 |
maybe be the layer one experience on location two | 0 | LAY1 |
i think just like two times maybe um like exactly as described in the book just the spaciousness emptiness at one point became just fullness and but it only happened to me after like deep deep yoga and meditation like for a long time | 2 | LAY3 |
and also layer three | 2 | LAY3 |
it was just this experience of all inclusive love like there was no separation between anything and um it was incredible | 2 | LAY3 |
stillness and silence | 1 | LAY2 |
but now if i feel into the spaciousness it doesnt have boundaries it doesnt have it doesnt really end no so the space seems endless | 1 | LAY2 |
im suspecting that its layer three from location two its my guess | 2 | LAY3 |
like i just look at the tree and i feel joy and i feel i dont know what im looking for here | 2 | LAY3 |
layer four is less than optimal for a lot of functioning | 3 | LAY4 |
fullness | 2 | LAY3 |
beingness so beingness when you say that and when i when i tune into that i feel like for me that feels like more of a layer two thing | 1 | LAY2 |
presence all pervading kind of thing | 2 | LAY3 |
i think you have a lot more you can trust your deeper intuitions as you referred to them if you can if you can resist the temptation or the inclination to doubt everything it would help you deepen because the thing thats doubting it is layer one | 0 | LAY1 |
you have a very quiet nothingness and layer two for you and location two | 1 | LAY2 |
switch into layer one | 0 | LAY1 |
greater neutrality and observation of what is it can be more reasonable and balanced and relating to others | 0 | LAY1 |
all right um so you mentioned your goal is first uh location two layer three so it sounds like youve got that already of course theres always more to explore | 2 | LAY3 |
all pervading | 2 | LAY3 |
layer two of location two | 1 | LAY2 |
ive been in layer one for so long | 0 | LAY1 |