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Human: CCF Torso Pad System I’m switching to a CCF torso pad system with a zlite, 1/8” gg, and zseat. I have two outstanding questions that I’ve struggled to get answered through my research on this thread, YouTube, and the web: 1. Should my head on my pillow extend beyond the torso panel and have no pad insulation under it? Or should my head lay on the zlite? This will help me understand if need 4, 6, or 8 panels of zlite. 2. How much r-value does a DCF pack have? I am determine if I use my pack under my feet, which extend a foot beyond my gg thinlite because I’m 6’4”, or if I should use a sit pad for my feet. My current plan is to mimic deputysean’s guide to have zlite on the torso, a sit pad for the butt, and the 1/8” gg under (or over). I will be using a nunatak arcul quilt and hiking primarily in the Sierra and SoCal during 3-seasons. Example diagram of pad system: pad system diagram This may be a kooky question but I am really struggling with my head and feet! TDLR: Does your head have pad under it for a torso CCF system? Does a DCF backpack suffice for foot insulation? Assistant: I personally use an inflatable pillow on my tent floor, sleep on 6 panels of a zlite, then use my pack (ula circuit in x-pac) for my feet. What dcf pack do you use? Mine as built in back cushion, so quite a bit of r-value.	Human: CCF Torso Pad System I’m switching to a CCF torso pad system with a zlite, 1/8” gg, and zseat. I have two outstanding questions that I’ve struggled to get answered through my research on this thread, YouTube, and the web: 1. Should my head on my pillow extend beyond the torso panel and have no pad insulation under it? Or should my head lay on the zlite? This will help me understand if need 4, 6, or 8 panels of zlite. 2. How much r-value does a DCF pack have? I am determine if I use my pack under my feet, which extend a foot beyond my gg thinlite because I’m 6’4”, or if I should use a sit pad for my feet. My current plan is to mimic deputysean’s guide to have zlite on the torso, a sit pad for the butt, and the 1/8” gg under (or over). I will be using a nunatak arcul quilt and hiking primarily in the Sierra and SoCal during 3-seasons. Example diagram of pad system: pad system diagram This may be a kooky question but I am really struggling with my head and feet! TDLR: Does your head have pad under it for a torso CCF system? Does a DCF backpack suffice for foot insulation? Assistant: i put my pillow on my pad so it doesn’t slide. if it’s on a tent floor/polycro there’s no shot that thing is holding still. I really don’t think it makes a difference in warmth though, I’m usually wearing a beanie or down balaclava anyway. a dcf pack will have next to no r-value. use it under your feet anyway, if it’s warm enough for a torso ccf you’ll be fine
Human: Is my quilt too warm?! Slept in my Cumulis Quilt 450 twice now. I wore generic thermal underwear. Both nights were rainy and around 7°C (44.6°F). I woke up several times feeling clammy while also freezing a bit. Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Is my body getting too warm, starting to sweat and then freezing when a cold draft touches it? I plan on hiking the Highlands in June and am wondering if I should bring running shorts and a polyester shirt as camp clothes instead of thermal underwear... Assistant: Yep. I reckon you are getting too sweaty then cooling. A 450 quilt is rated for sub zero use really. However much folk claim you can vent to increase a quilts upper range, you can't do it if asleep! I'd be comfortable (clothed) using my 250 at that temperature, though my female partner would be happier with a 350. Everybody's different. But 450 is pretty thick for non frosty I reckon.	Human: Is my quilt too warm?! Slept in my Cumulis Quilt 450 twice now. I wore generic thermal underwear. Both nights were rainy and around 7°C (44.6°F). I woke up several times feeling clammy while also freezing a bit. Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Is my body getting too warm, starting to sweat and then freezing when a cold draft touches it? I plan on hiking the Highlands in June and am wondering if I should bring running shorts and a polyester shirt as camp clothes instead of thermal underwear... Assistant: I dont have an answer for you, but I thought I'd chime in to say I've had exactly the same experience and have no idea if my quilt us too hot or too cold.
Human: Will the Nemo Hornet be suitable for Scotland? I'll be walking from Lands End to John o' Groats this summer, and the end of the trip will take me along the Cape Wrath Trail. I know that it can get very windy and rainy up there, and was wondering if anyone had experience using the Nemo Hornet in these conditions? Assistant: I spent 3 months in Patagonia, about half my nights in a hornet 2p. It is an amazing tent. I had winds up to 50, and weeks of off and on rain. If you're worried about lots of rain get the 2p imo so you can stay away from the tent walls	Human: Will the Nemo Hornet be suitable for Scotland? I'll be walking from Lands End to John o' Groats this summer, and the end of the trip will take me along the Cape Wrath Trail. I know that it can get very windy and rainy up there, and was wondering if anyone had experience using the Nemo Hornet in these conditions? Assistant: I don't have any direct experience, but I have heard that that design of tent (semi-freestanding) is somewhat susceptible to strong winds, especially if you set it up in the wrong spot or facing the wrong direction. You'd have to be very careful with your campsite selection to avoid having a terrible time in any storms. If you really need a windproof shelter you may want to consider a pyramid design.
Human: REI Quarter Dome SL 1 durability? I have, and like, a Quarter Dome 2. Will be doing some backpacking w/o my wife, and so would love to drop some weight. Looking at the SL 1, which looks nice (not looking for super ultralight), but I'm concerned about durability, particularly for the floor. Presume that in most places I'll want to use a ground sheet (would polycro be adequate...or should I go lightweight Tyvek? Or the REI nylong footprint?), but will this be enough? How fragile is the fabric? Will be in Utah next month, expecting to be setting the tent up on rough ground. Thanks. Assistant: Unless you're hell bent on a free standing tent, I would also suggest looking at Six Moon Designs and Tarp Tent. They have some well reviewed, well tested shelters at similar or lower price points than the quarter dome for much less weight (sub 2lbs). Or the Dan Durston X-mid.	Human: REI Quarter Dome SL 1 durability? I have, and like, a Quarter Dome 2. Will be doing some backpacking w/o my wife, and so would love to drop some weight. Looking at the SL 1, which looks nice (not looking for super ultralight), but I'm concerned about durability, particularly for the floor. Presume that in most places I'll want to use a ground sheet (would polycro be adequate...or should I go lightweight Tyvek? Or the REI nylong footprint?), but will this be enough? How fragile is the fabric? Will be in Utah next month, expecting to be setting the tent up on rough ground. Thanks. Assistant: I have both the SL1 & SL2. Love them both, logged lots of miles with both, sons in the 2 me in the 1. Use a couple pieces of Tyvek for ground cover. It’s tough, light water resistant.
Human: LiteAF Packs in Ultra 200 - Worth a Try? Hey all, just zeroing in on a new pack for myself. In doing so, I found out there's a new material LiteAF and a few other pack makers are using in place of Dyneema. It's called Ultra 200 or 200 Ultra, depending on where you're reading, and it's apparently stronger and more abrasion resistant than Dyneema while also being around the same weight. At least according to the manufactuer (specs found here) and Pa'lante (info page here). This is great and all, but it doesn't carry the "tried and true" weight that Dyneema does. Aside from color choices, since LiteAF only offers Ultra 200 in black, is there any reason to *not* go with the Ultra 200 version of their packs? --- There are a handful of discussions on the material on the internet as well, but not much information or any testimonies as far as their quality: https://www.trek-lite.com/index.php?threads/move-over-dcf-and-xpac-theres-a-new-backpack-material-sheriff-in-town.9234/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultralight/comments/mfm4q1/new_palante_fabric_epl200/ Assistant: I just hiked the BMT through the Smoky mountains and we met up with a full time hiker named Mischief. He is a double amputee that has thru hiked the PCT and AT. He is currently doing a 600 mile hike across SC, NC, Tennessee to Springer Mtn where the southern terminus of the BMT is Mischief is using this pack and said he absolutely loves it! We were all checking it out and it is truly Lite AF! He commented on how durable and how waterproof it is.	Human: LiteAF Packs in Ultra 200 - Worth a Try? Hey all, just zeroing in on a new pack for myself. In doing so, I found out there's a new material LiteAF and a few other pack makers are using in place of Dyneema. It's called Ultra 200 or 200 Ultra, depending on where you're reading, and it's apparently stronger and more abrasion resistant than Dyneema while also being around the same weight. At least according to the manufactuer (specs found here) and Pa'lante (info page here). This is great and all, but it doesn't carry the "tried and true" weight that Dyneema does. Aside from color choices, since LiteAF only offers Ultra 200 in black, is there any reason to *not* go with the Ultra 200 version of their packs? --- There are a handful of discussions on the material on the internet as well, but not much information or any testimonies as far as their quality: https://www.trek-lite.com/index.php?threads/move-over-dcf-and-xpac-theres-a-new-backpack-material-sheriff-in-town.9234/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultralight/comments/mfm4q1/new_palante_fabric_epl200/ Assistant: where can I order it from? MYOG
Human: Repackaging and using anti monkey butt on the trail? I got some anti monkey butt powder last year and put some in a small Ziploc with a cotton pad for easy application, but it just got everywhere. Anyone have tips on using the stuff without carrying the whole bottle or making a mess? Assistant: I use small containers from aliexpress for a probiotic deo powder that actually works great against hiker stench. Works differently than regular deos and removes the source of the smell instead of covering it	Human: Repackaging and using anti monkey butt on the trail? I got some anti monkey butt powder last year and put some in a small Ziploc with a cotton pad for easy application, but it just got everywhere. Anyone have tips on using the stuff without carrying the whole bottle or making a mess? Assistant: Amazon carries tons of small plastic containers designed for powdered makeup that would work for body powder.
Human: Best all-around balm for feet, wounds, whatever else? I'm a climber too, so I always have ClimbOn on hand and have been taking it on trips for the past few years. It's got a lot of plusses: - It provides a decent (I think?) moisture barrier on the feet when I anticipate getting wet (this is a new concern for me as my Xero Mesa Trails do NOT dry out anywhere near as quickly as my Trail Gloves, but otherwise are better in every way). - It heals wet, pruny skin well - It heals dry, hard, cracked heel skin (from being wet too long) on the heel well - Not sure it'd be great for covering minor wounds I carry a micro tub of vaseline as well to rub on minor cuts and scrapes, but I want to consolidate. I've been looking at Trail Toes as a good balm to perform all functions vs carrying multiple things; the silicone looks like it would be a superior preventative moisture barrier. Will it be a good wound cover? Most of my hikes are pretty dry - in the mountains of Colorado - but there are wet times and wet areas where foot care becomes more important. What do you guys and gals recommend for an occasional user of foot balm who wants whatever he carries to pull double or triple duty as wound smear and general skin care needs while on trail as well? Assistant: Not a specific product recommendation, but a book. Fixing Your Feet The author is a podiatrist that is/was involved in the ultra-marathon scene. The book has great advice on prevention, diagnosis, and treatment of typical foot problems. It is based on his experience and has a bunch of practical advice mixed in there. It may be helpful. It definitely helped me figure out how to keep my dogs in better shape...	Human: Best all-around balm for feet, wounds, whatever else? I'm a climber too, so I always have ClimbOn on hand and have been taking it on trips for the past few years. It's got a lot of plusses: - It provides a decent (I think?) moisture barrier on the feet when I anticipate getting wet (this is a new concern for me as my Xero Mesa Trails do NOT dry out anywhere near as quickly as my Trail Gloves, but otherwise are better in every way). - It heals wet, pruny skin well - It heals dry, hard, cracked heel skin (from being wet too long) on the heel well - Not sure it'd be great for covering minor wounds I carry a micro tub of vaseline as well to rub on minor cuts and scrapes, but I want to consolidate. I've been looking at Trail Toes as a good balm to perform all functions vs carrying multiple things; the silicone looks like it would be a superior preventative moisture barrier. Will it be a good wound cover? Most of my hikes are pretty dry - in the mountains of Colorado - but there are wet times and wet areas where foot care becomes more important. What do you guys and gals recommend for an occasional user of foot balm who wants whatever he carries to pull double or triple duty as wound smear and general skin care needs while on trail as well? Assistant: many others have said green goo which has been a longtime trail go-to for me. last year I discovered super salve which has now become my favorite trail salve, partly because they are local to me, but their sunscreen chapsticks really pushed it over the edge. just amazing stuff. worth checking out the arnica salve for muscle soreness as well.
Human: Thrunite Ti3 or something else? I'm looking for an ultralight flashlight/headlamp which uses AAA. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. -I'll be carrying 2 AAA cells with me already (recently got a mini NeoAir pump which uses these) so something which uses 1 or 2 batteries. -Looking at the Thrunite Ti3 which looks great although it has limited headlamp options. Winter is here so I won't have a baseball cap to clip it to. I could make a lightweight strap for it, or maybe it works as a headlamp with a regular beanie somehow? -Got to be light. -preferably not too expensive Thanks for your help! Assistant: Are you using it to hike, or is it just for camp? If just for camp, you could probably get away with a photon mini. If I’m planning for hours of night hiking, I want more runtime and output than the ti3, maybe something like the Zebralight SC5c Mk II or SC53c. Edit: I know you’re looking for AAA. But maybe if you rethink the pad pump thing and drop it, you’ll be happier to have a flashlight that is better for your illumination requirements?	Human: Thrunite Ti3 or something else? I'm looking for an ultralight flashlight/headlamp which uses AAA. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. -I'll be carrying 2 AAA cells with me already (recently got a mini NeoAir pump which uses these) so something which uses 1 or 2 batteries. -Looking at the Thrunite Ti3 which looks great although it has limited headlamp options. Winter is here so I won't have a baseball cap to clip it to. I could make a lightweight strap for it, or maybe it works as a headlamp with a regular beanie somehow? -Got to be light. -preferably not too expensive Thanks for your help! Assistant: I prefer the Olight i3s. I wear a ballcap all the time so I just clip it onto there.
Human: How is the stability of trekking pole tents? I'm strongly considering buying the Lanshan 1 tent, but I have some trepidation about using a tent that is only held up by trekking poles. How stable are they, and how easy is it to accidentally knock one of the poles out? If the stability depends on how such tents are set up, it would be great to get some advice as well. Assistant: I had the same reservations that directed me towards a tarptent double rainbow. I've used it many times and love it.	Human: How is the stability of trekking pole tents? I'm strongly considering buying the Lanshan 1 tent, but I have some trepidation about using a tent that is only held up by trekking poles. How stable are they, and how easy is it to accidentally knock one of the poles out? If the stability depends on how such tents are set up, it would be great to get some advice as well. Assistant: I read Endurance, a book about Ernest Shackleton's expedition to Antarctica. He mostly had tents that used a single pole. He also had an "experimental" hoop tent. The hoop tent didn't survive the expedition. The others did.
Human: Frogg Toggs? I keep seeing videos that estimate the weight of their Frogg Togg's rain jacket at around 4oz. That said, I haven't been able to locate it on the Frogg Togg website, Amazon, or Walmart. If you have a Frogg Togg that weighs around 4oz, can you help a brother out with a link? Assistant: My frog togs emergency jacket comes in at 3.3 ounces in a size small this is probably the jacket the video talked about it’s the lightest frog togs	Human: Frogg Toggs? I keep seeing videos that estimate the weight of their Frogg Togg's rain jacket at around 4oz. That said, I haven't been able to locate it on the Frogg Togg website, Amazon, or Walmart. If you have a Frogg Togg that weighs around 4oz, can you help a brother out with a link? Assistant: This is the one I have. 4.2oz on my scale in Medium/Large. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MQJ995C/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_search\_asin\_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Human: Wearing Frogg Toggs as a pack cover? Wondering if anyone has tried (or seen) wearing the comically oversized Frogg Toggs ultralight jackets over their pack to use as a combined rain jacket and pack cover. Any one think of a reason why this is a bad idea? It could prevent the problem I have seen on junked FTs with blowouts under the shoulder straps. I'm planning to buy a frogg toggs jacket, but trying to decide if I should try this out and whether to size up or not. I'm 5'9", 140#, and I've tried on the "S/M" at Walmart. It seems like I would need to be wearing a really small pack (22-28L) to make that torso size work for me. But I imagine the L/XL would be huge on me - especially the overly long sleeves. Assistant: Maybe if you're skinny. I'm pretty wide and with a 20L pack and an XL jacket I couldn't zip it up without fearing it might strain it.	Human: Wearing Frogg Toggs as a pack cover? Wondering if anyone has tried (or seen) wearing the comically oversized Frogg Toggs ultralight jackets over their pack to use as a combined rain jacket and pack cover. Any one think of a reason why this is a bad idea? It could prevent the problem I have seen on junked FTs with blowouts under the shoulder straps. I'm planning to buy a frogg toggs jacket, but trying to decide if I should try this out and whether to size up or not. I'm 5'9", 140#, and I've tried on the "S/M" at Walmart. It seems like I would need to be wearing a really small pack (22-28L) to make that torso size work for me. But I imagine the L/XL would be huge on me - especially the overly long sleeves. Assistant: If you are guaranteed rain, this is not a bad idea. It might be worth carry a proper sized jacket as well, or at least a poncho for use when the pack isn't worn.
Human: Anybody Sleep In Their Rain Jacket? I'm always miffed to give a free ride to my rain jacket when hiking in dryer climes. I've been thinking of ways to make it do more work and thereby perhaps replace other clothing and reduce my base weight. I have slept in my Frogg Toggs on a few nights and it didn't bother me. Anybody have other experiences sleeping in their rain jackets? Cheers. Assistant: I like to zip mine up and pull it over my foot box. Added layer of insulation and it keeps my foot box dry if I accidentally rub against the wall of my tent.	Human: Anybody Sleep In Their Rain Jacket? I'm always miffed to give a free ride to my rain jacket when hiking in dryer climes. I've been thinking of ways to make it do more work and thereby perhaps replace other clothing and reduce my base weight. I have slept in my Frogg Toggs on a few nights and it didn't bother me. Anybody have other experiences sleeping in their rain jackets? Cheers. Assistant: I've used it in a pinch around the footbox of a friends sleeping bag that was not rated for the early spring temps we went out in. It helped keep in some of the warmth from the boiling water we had in a nalgene bottle to keep him warm at night.
Human: Hiking in a rain jacket. Why is it always impossible? Anyone have a magical system for doing strenuous hiking in rain where temps aren’t so cold you don’t sweat but not so warm that it’s nice to get rained on? What would make this system magical is that you wouldn’t end up soaked from the inside in your own sweat like you were wrapped in trash bags. Discuss.... Assistant: From my own experience you either have to produce less sweat (walk slower) or have the ability to wick it faster (no jacket/umbrella/poncho). I believe its impossible to have a waterproof jacket that wicks away all the sweat/heat. Because the more waterproof something is, the less breathable it is as well.	Human: Hiking in a rain jacket. Why is it always impossible? Anyone have a magical system for doing strenuous hiking in rain where temps aren’t so cold you don’t sweat but not so warm that it’s nice to get rained on? What would make this system magical is that you wouldn’t end up soaked from the inside in your own sweat like you were wrapped in trash bags. Discuss.... Assistant: Umbrella for sure. So nice. Alternatively, if it’s warm enough and you’re working hard enough, getting wet can be refreshing/cooling.
Human: Is an InReach necessary when there's good cell coverage? I will be doing several multi-day trips alone in the Faroe Islands later this month and in December. Weather can be very unpredictable with high winds, rain, cloud and fog. For peace of mind and at the request of family, I am looking at buying a Garmin InReach for live tracking and SOS in case of emergency. However checking cell coverage here it looks like the islands are almost entirely covered, save for a few small patches. Given that an InReach would be stretching my budget, is it unwise to go without one and rely entirely on my phone? Assistant: inreach is worth it	Human: Is an InReach necessary when there's good cell coverage? I will be doing several multi-day trips alone in the Faroe Islands later this month and in December. Weather can be very unpredictable with high winds, rain, cloud and fog. For peace of mind and at the request of family, I am looking at buying a Garmin InReach for live tracking and SOS in case of emergency. However checking cell coverage here it looks like the islands are almost entirely covered, save for a few small patches. Given that an InReach would be stretching my budget, is it unwise to go without one and rely entirely on my phone? Assistant: It doesn’t do live tracking/ breadcrumbs, but the ZOLEO sat comm does everything else. It has physical SOS and Check In buttons, which automatically send your coordinates to your designated check in contact. It’s also only $200. The plans are competitively priced as well. Might be worth a look. I got one and took it to Dolly Sods recently and it performed perfectly.
Human: Tarp + Bug Bivy Combo (Waterproof?) I’ll mostly be camping on deserted islands near the beach off of NC/SC. Wind, rain and bugs being involved what is the best ultralight combination? Not looking to break the bank $300sh or less and will do some mountain/wood camping occasionally. Would rather opt with a bigger tarp as I might be going with a friend/wife occasionally. Will a tarp and bug bivy keep me dry? If so please tell me your recommendations/brands. Thanks for everyone’s time! Assistant: https://imgur.com/a/jpxX5NR	Human: Tarp + Bug Bivy Combo (Waterproof?) I’ll mostly be camping on deserted islands near the beach off of NC/SC. Wind, rain and bugs being involved what is the best ultralight combination? Not looking to break the bank $300sh or less and will do some mountain/wood camping occasionally. Would rather opt with a bigger tarp as I might be going with a friend/wife occasionally. Will a tarp and bug bivy keep me dry? If so please tell me your recommendations/brands. Thanks for everyone’s time! Assistant: For a cheap tarp/bivy combo, you can use what I started with: A Paria Outdoors Bug Bivy and Paria Tarp. Both can be found on Amazon and are cheap. I actually sort of miss the bug bivy, and wish I could find a DCF version with the exact same dimensions. But my MLD bug bivy seems to work fine enough. You'll stay dry under a tarp. Pitch it low and tight if it's gonna rain sideways. You'll be fine.
Human: ISO Ultralight Snow Shoe Recommendations Thank you in advance! Assistant: If you don't need crazy traction for steep or super icy terrain, or super floatation for deep, deep snow, the foam snow shoes from Crescent Moon are pretty nice. Very different from traditional snow shoes, but they work great for what they are designed to do. Nice an light weight, and the rockered shape is easy to walk or run on. https://crescentmoonsnowshoes.com/foam-snowshoes/	Human: ISO Ultralight Snow Shoe Recommendations Thank you in advance! Assistant: As most of the others here have said MSR makes the best line but they are expensive. I use Lightning Ascents but the real question is what type of snow are you looking at and what terrain?
Human: Drop "dropping" outdoor gear--What will this mean? Drop.com (home of Durston Gear, Crown Granite Gear packs, specific quits, etc) has decided to focus on keyboards and audio equipment. Outdoor inventory being moved to Amazon and there's mention that new products might come out there, too. Curious if that's already in-development gear or what. Anyone have any ideas? Here's their email I just received: "Hi everyone, You may have noticed some changes to our site over the last few months that emphasize the Audiophile and Mechanical Keyboard Communities. We have seen tremendous growth in these Communities, and after much deliberation we have made the decision to focus our resources on these two Communities exclusively. Over the last four years we have built a strong following and portfolio of products in the Everyday Carry and Outdoors Communities. To narrow our focus, we are transitioning our Drop Studio EDC and Outdoors products to Amazon. We will be sunsetting the Everyday Carry and Outdoors Communities on Drop.com on March 23rd. Product pages will still be accessible by direct links or searching, and will retain their reviews and discussion sections. We are pleased to announce these products will continue to be available for purchase exclusively on Amazon. Moreover, new products will launch directly on Amazon, delivering new community-inspired products on the world's largest retail platform. Updates on these products will be shared via email to our existing Everyday Carry and Outdoor members. This shift in focus will result in more consistent in-stock availability of these products, and will provide access to Amazon’s Prime 2-day shipping, as well as Amazon’s convenient return policy. The Drop Store is currently live on Amazon with many of our products, with more being added every week. Please check our current stock of EDC and Outdoor gear below, and be sure to check back regularly for updates and additions. We will also be sunsetting Watches on Drop.com, effective March 23rd. Any Watches-related product runs you’ve joined won’t be affected, and you’ll still see a few runs in our More Community Picks section. From community polls and comment threads to the retail stage of the world, we couldn't have made these products without your contributions. While this is a big shift, we're excited to continue offering the Drop experience to new and existing customers through our partnership with Amazon. Thank you, Drop" Assistant: I remember when Massdrop became Drop and I said something like "We should be happy about this, they dropped Mass, that means they got lighter!!" ah memories.	Human: Drop "dropping" outdoor gear--What will this mean? Drop.com (home of Durston Gear, Crown Granite Gear packs, specific quits, etc) has decided to focus on keyboards and audio equipment. Outdoor inventory being moved to Amazon and there's mention that new products might come out there, too. Curious if that's already in-development gear or what. Anyone have any ideas? Here's their email I just received: "Hi everyone, You may have noticed some changes to our site over the last few months that emphasize the Audiophile and Mechanical Keyboard Communities. We have seen tremendous growth in these Communities, and after much deliberation we have made the decision to focus our resources on these two Communities exclusively. Over the last four years we have built a strong following and portfolio of products in the Everyday Carry and Outdoors Communities. To narrow our focus, we are transitioning our Drop Studio EDC and Outdoors products to Amazon. We will be sunsetting the Everyday Carry and Outdoors Communities on Drop.com on March 23rd. Product pages will still be accessible by direct links or searching, and will retain their reviews and discussion sections. We are pleased to announce these products will continue to be available for purchase exclusively on Amazon. Moreover, new products will launch directly on Amazon, delivering new community-inspired products on the world's largest retail platform. Updates on these products will be shared via email to our existing Everyday Carry and Outdoor members. This shift in focus will result in more consistent in-stock availability of these products, and will provide access to Amazon’s Prime 2-day shipping, as well as Amazon’s convenient return policy. The Drop Store is currently live on Amazon with many of our products, with more being added every week. Please check our current stock of EDC and Outdoor gear below, and be sure to check back regularly for updates and additions. We will also be sunsetting Watches on Drop.com, effective March 23rd. Any Watches-related product runs you’ve joined won’t be affected, and you’ll still see a few runs in our More Community Picks section. From community polls and comment threads to the retail stage of the world, we couldn't have made these products without your contributions. While this is a big shift, we're excited to continue offering the Drop experience to new and existing customers through our partnership with Amazon. Thank you, Drop" Assistant: Do they have keyboards and headphones at drop? I didn’t notice the 90 daily emails about them...
Human: [HELP] Choosing a backpack for back pain Hi! I had an injury 6 years ago (L1 vertebra) and since then I can't carry weights above 10 kg (22 lbs) without discomfort. I try to keep total pack weight below 8-10 kg for now and I am going to make my equipment as UL as possible with time. But in case of a backpack the choice is not obvious. I consider two alternatives: 1. Ultralight backpack to reduce total weight. 2. Heavy Osprey Atmos 50 with Anti-Gravity feature or an alternative to put maximum weight (even if it's low) on hips. The 2nd option seems better to me but I also heard that Osprey AG system is designed for the weights above 14 kg (30 lbs) and I'm not sure if it makes sense for < 8 kg. What would you recommend? Both general advises and specific models recommendations would be appreciated. Assistant: Seems like an extreme comparison, I’d say you might want a pack with a good frame, but lighter than Atmos. Osprey has lighter options too. Personally I have decently bad scoliosis and use a REI Flash, it’s a good compromise keeping it lightweight but still not frameless, and I try to go as ultralight as possible with other gear.	Human: [HELP] Choosing a backpack for back pain Hi! I had an injury 6 years ago (L1 vertebra) and since then I can't carry weights above 10 kg (22 lbs) without discomfort. I try to keep total pack weight below 8-10 kg for now and I am going to make my equipment as UL as possible with time. But in case of a backpack the choice is not obvious. I consider two alternatives: 1. Ultralight backpack to reduce total weight. 2. Heavy Osprey Atmos 50 with Anti-Gravity feature or an alternative to put maximum weight (even if it's low) on hips. The 2nd option seems better to me but I also heard that Osprey AG system is designed for the weights above 14 kg (30 lbs) and I'm not sure if it makes sense for < 8 kg. What would you recommend? Both general advises and specific models recommendations would be appreciated. Assistant: The difference between atmos and other ul bags is like 2 pounds. Now if you have mainly ul gear all around. That extra 2 pounds for the bag with better support might save your back more then trying to lose even more weight.
Human: Pole jack alternatives for pitching a mid tent? Hi gang, I've got a mid tent that to pitch requires more height than a single trekking pole can muster. I'd prefer not to use a pole Jack. Beside just buying some pole straps from HMG, what alternative solution have people used in this scenario? Rocks? Homemade pole straps? Other? TIA! Assistant: The best option I’ve found, and the one I personally use: Locus Gear’s CP3 poles with the CP3 Joint. When you get to camp, remove the last/bottom part of each pole and insert the CP3 Joint half way inside both poles, joining them together as a single pole (like this). Works with Ultamid 2 and 4 and is super stable.	Human: Pole jack alternatives for pitching a mid tent? Hi gang, I've got a mid tent that to pitch requires more height than a single trekking pole can muster. I'd prefer not to use a pole Jack. Beside just buying some pole straps from HMG, what alternative solution have people used in this scenario? Rocks? Homemade pole straps? Other? TIA! Assistant: I've seen people use rocks. You could use a stick, too.
Human: Any fully waterproof bivy bags with the latest in WP/B tech? Hi y'all, Looking for a fully enclosed bivy bag, preferably from a cottage company, that meets at least some of the following criteria: Size large (I'm 5'11", 185, and I like a little more room to turn around) Ideally DCF bottom, (0.67 - 1.0 oz) Top made from either that 1.4 oz WP/B fabric from RBTR or similar. These days every rain jacket from zpacks to EE uses this sort of fabric, and it's readily available, so why no bivy bags yet? Some sort of bug net mode, maybe a flip over hood or at least a slot thing with bug netting? Sub 10 oz for sure, closer to 7 oz is perfect. The only stuff like this I can find is the MLD stuff, but even the FKT Event bivy is 11 oz in my size, even before the oz for seam sealer. It's also a silnylon base, which is weird because I have a Super light bivy from them with 0.7 oz DCF on the bottom. The FKT also doesn't have any sort of bug net thing. Any ideas anyone? I feel like the WP/B scene has been improving a ton, so maybe something is out there I haven't seen yet? Thanks! Assistant: You probably need to look at MYOG to fulfill your use case. I did make myself a DCF + DCF eVent bivy a while ago to work with a micro tarp: @montmolar on Instagram 7.16oz with a .34 DCF tarp or 5.68oz as stand alone. Not waterproof at the head, but that could be easily added.	Human: Any fully waterproof bivy bags with the latest in WP/B tech? Hi y'all, Looking for a fully enclosed bivy bag, preferably from a cottage company, that meets at least some of the following criteria: Size large (I'm 5'11", 185, and I like a little more room to turn around) Ideally DCF bottom, (0.67 - 1.0 oz) Top made from either that 1.4 oz WP/B fabric from RBTR or similar. These days every rain jacket from zpacks to EE uses this sort of fabric, and it's readily available, so why no bivy bags yet? Some sort of bug net mode, maybe a flip over hood or at least a slot thing with bug netting? Sub 10 oz for sure, closer to 7 oz is perfect. The only stuff like this I can find is the MLD stuff, but even the FKT Event bivy is 11 oz in my size, even before the oz for seam sealer. It's also a silnylon base, which is weird because I have a Super light bivy from them with 0.7 oz DCF on the bottom. The FKT also doesn't have any sort of bug net thing. Any ideas anyone? I feel like the WP/B scene has been improving a ton, so maybe something is out there I haven't seen yet? Thanks! Assistant: Consider the Milesgear Bivvy. http://milesgear.com/UberBivy.html
Human: Wind pants on the JMT? Should I purchase wind pants for the JMT? I’m going northbound at the end of July or mid August. I’d love to hear from people if you’ve done the JMT or the PCT and find them useful. Or if they’r absolutely not necessary. I was thinking of combining wind pants with my lighter Montbell leggings. The weight of these two pieces would be less than my smart wool leggings. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! Assistant: I wore shorts and carried rain pants. I used the rain pants to keep the bugs off at night.	Human: Wind pants on the JMT? Should I purchase wind pants for the JMT? I’m going northbound at the end of July or mid August. I’d love to hear from people if you’ve done the JMT or the PCT and find them useful. Or if they’r absolutely not necessary. I was thinking of combining wind pants with my lighter Montbell leggings. The weight of these two pieces would be less than my smart wool leggings. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! Assistant: They are nice to have for chilly nights and bugs. You won't need them during the day. It depends whether you spend a lot of time hanging around in camp. For the JMT section of the PCT during end of May / beginning of June I brought Houdini wind pants plus leggings. When I did a standalone JMT in late Aug / early Sept I brought only the wind pants.
Human: Balancing hiking with life Hello fellow backpackerpeople. I have a corporate 9-5 job that currently is seeming to just take up way to much of my time. Also in the balancing act serious relationship and other various hobbies. I wanna be out in the backcountry damnit! Wondering how you guys balance working a completely unrelated job with spending time outside and other activities because I feel like backpacking is always what slips even though it brings me incredible peace, happiness, and satisfaction. Assistant: Ahhhh the struggles of life.......and when you get it all figured out......something changes. Therefore the solution is ephemeral.	Human: Balancing hiking with life Hello fellow backpackerpeople. I have a corporate 9-5 job that currently is seeming to just take up way to much of my time. Also in the balancing act serious relationship and other various hobbies. I wanna be out in the backcountry damnit! Wondering how you guys balance working a completely unrelated job with spending time outside and other activities because I feel like backpacking is always what slips even though it brings me incredible peace, happiness, and satisfaction. Assistant: Got kids and a wife that works for the health service. Literally all her shifts seem to fall on weekends. So the one weekend a month where she isn't working.... you guessed it. I need to spend that time with her and the kids. I enjoy it obviously but dammm I hate that I only get away for 5 or 6 overnighters a year.
Human: Insulated Sleeping Pad For Side Sleeper I've got an xtherm and as much as I love not freezing to death everytime I try to side sleep on it my shoulder will be aching in less than an hour. I need the r-rating because I camp in winter and it gets down to -20F. Is there anything I can do to make this more comfortable on the shoulder or am I going to be forced to learn to sleep on my back? Assistant: I've noticed that I have a "critical pad thickness" of about 3" to 3.5" in order to sleep without pain issues. And the overall size is important too, as a narrow pad is restrictive to my range of sleep motion. I've maintained a listing of the exact sort of pad you are looking for: "Long, wide, thick, insulated sleeping pads" https://www.lighterpack.com/r/8i0mbr	Human: Insulated Sleeping Pad For Side Sleeper I've got an xtherm and as much as I love not freezing to death everytime I try to side sleep on it my shoulder will be aching in less than an hour. I need the r-rating because I camp in winter and it gets down to -20F. Is there anything I can do to make this more comfortable on the shoulder or am I going to be forced to learn to sleep on my back? Assistant: It works perfectly for side sleepers, sounds like you have it overinflated.
Human: How tall are you folks with cut down pads? My pack is way too big for my gear and I am moving to a Burn/Palante sized pack. The only thing im struggling with is when I take a foam mat. It seems like most people with Z-lites and these sized packs carry 6 sections. Now I am by no means a tall guy, im only 5'10" but 6 sections goes to my lower back. I think I could make 8 sections work as it at least gets under my hips/butt. I was just curious the height of some people that carry short pads to give people an idea of how short a pad would work for them. Assistant: I prefer a Gossamer Gear Nightlite torso pad to a Z-lite. They last wayyy longer. At 5'11", mine reaches from my shoulders to hips. Shoes go under my groundcloth for a pillow, empty pack under legs if temps drop low enough to necessitate that. Fits into my Burn or Simple Pack just fine, providing a little bit of cushion against my back and giving the pack some rigidity.	Human: How tall are you folks with cut down pads? My pack is way too big for my gear and I am moving to a Burn/Palante sized pack. The only thing im struggling with is when I take a foam mat. It seems like most people with Z-lites and these sized packs carry 6 sections. Now I am by no means a tall guy, im only 5'10" but 6 sections goes to my lower back. I think I could make 8 sections work as it at least gets under my hips/butt. I was just curious the height of some people that carry short pads to give people an idea of how short a pad would work for them. Assistant: 6'1" and use eight of ZLite. I might try six in the summer, but I normally prefer to have my footbox reach onto the pad.
Human: Mariposa 60 packing suggestions Need advice on how to pack my recently bought mariposa 60. My shelters a big agness copper spur HV ul2. Assistant: I have a Mariposa 60. Add some paracord through the small blue material. I run those through and outside my copper spur on the bottom, outside, my pack. I don’t think I have a pic but if I do I’ll post.	Human: Mariposa 60 packing suggestions Need advice on how to pack my recently bought mariposa 60. My shelters a big agness copper spur HV ul2. Assistant: Like any other pack. Bag/pad on bottom then camp clothes, then food and tent, and snacks/first aid on top. Water on sides.
Human: Backpacking skills: hydration planning Hi folks, my boyfriend and I are novices at hiking and backpacking, and this community has been a massive resource for us, along with the backpacking community on YouTube, and of course u/andrewskurka 's wonderful blog. One skill we've been struggling with is evaluating water options and planning our hydration. We've been doing most of our hiking in the southern Great Plains, where our terrain is typically dry scrub or rocky desert. I haven't been able to find much information about how to evaluate seasonal water availability (water resources can completely dry up here in the summer), or plan when/where you should fill. Currently, when in doubt, we overpack water, but we're in the process of planning some longer adventures where carrying 4-6 L of water as insurance will slow us down. Can anyone offer advice or point me to additional reading? Assistant: My uncommon water advice: start the day hydrated. Drink 0.5 liters before bed the day before you start the hike. Then before leaving the house, drink as much as you can fit.	Human: Backpacking skills: hydration planning Hi folks, my boyfriend and I are novices at hiking and backpacking, and this community has been a massive resource for us, along with the backpacking community on YouTube, and of course u/andrewskurka 's wonderful blog. One skill we've been struggling with is evaluating water options and planning our hydration. We've been doing most of our hiking in the southern Great Plains, where our terrain is typically dry scrub or rocky desert. I haven't been able to find much information about how to evaluate seasonal water availability (water resources can completely dry up here in the summer), or plan when/where you should fill. Currently, when in doubt, we overpack water, but we're in the process of planning some longer adventures where carrying 4-6 L of water as insurance will slow us down. Can anyone offer advice or point me to additional reading? Assistant: Probably subreddits of hikers in that area. Ask there maybe.
Human: First-Aid, wildlife Is there any online class, book, podcast you recommend to learn about poisonous vegetation, what to do when you encounter different wildlife, and that type of things? Assistant: Where? A lot of this stuff is pretty localized. The wildlife you worry about in New South Wales is not the wildlife you worry about in Maine.	Human: First-Aid, wildlife Is there any online class, book, podcast you recommend to learn about poisonous vegetation, what to do when you encounter different wildlife, and that type of things? Assistant: If you have a public library card, you can most likely find field guides specific to your region. Or for where it is you want to go. Not going to recommend specifics because it's dependent on your regional conditions. Typically you can check them out for 30 days so you can study ahead, go on mini hikes to practice identification, or good behaviors around wildlife, etc. And from the best pick, check it out again. You can take it with you as long as you keep it dry and in good shape
Human: Do you prefer Merino wool or Synthetic Baselayers? Im more of a merino guy myself, but will use the lightweight capilene’s for when it’s hot out. I just find merino to be more comfortable and generally warmer. Which do you all prefer to wear? Do you wear different ones depending on the temperature? What weight do you like? (light? Mid? Etc..) Assistant: I like merino for sleep clothes and for spring / fall hiking baselayers. I prefer synthetic for underwear and for a tshirt on really hot days.	Human: Do you prefer Merino wool or Synthetic Baselayers? Im more of a merino guy myself, but will use the lightweight capilene’s for when it’s hot out. I just find merino to be more comfortable and generally warmer. Which do you all prefer to wear? Do you wear different ones depending on the temperature? What weight do you like? (light? Mid? Etc..) Assistant: Both. I tend to prefer merino for late fall/winter and synthetics when it’s hot out.
Human: Hemp fabric Does anyone here have experience with hemp fabrics. Im feeling a bit guilty relying so heavily on synthetic fabrics to enjoy nature. I already own some merino wool stuff but I’m looking at pranas hemp offering. The merger shirt is hemp polyester blend. How is hemp with weight, breathability, drying etc? Assistant: Just a note. The most environmentally sustainable thing to do (if you already have synthetic ultralight gear that is serving it's purpose) is to keep using it! But if you are in need of new stuff and can buy a hemp etc alternative. Good on ya ;)	Human: Hemp fabric Does anyone here have experience with hemp fabrics. Im feeling a bit guilty relying so heavily on synthetic fabrics to enjoy nature. I already own some merino wool stuff but I’m looking at pranas hemp offering. The merger shirt is hemp polyester blend. How is hemp with weight, breathability, drying etc? Assistant: It’s awesome but itchy
Human: Merino wool tights with pockets that can be comfortably worn in public? Any suggestion for merino wool mens tights with at least a pair of side pockets (or more) that don't look like traditional long underwear that can blend in for also walking in public? (Even something similar to the North Face Utility Hybrid Hiker Pant Tights are fine) Assistant: Are you planning on roaming around the forest looking for fights? You could pair with a tunic instead of shorts.	Human: Merino wool tights with pockets that can be comfortably worn in public? Any suggestion for merino wool mens tights with at least a pair of side pockets (or more) that don't look like traditional long underwear that can blend in for also walking in public? (Even something similar to the North Face Utility Hybrid Hiker Pant Tights are fine) Assistant: I exclusively wore cap lightweights and a fanny pack on town days. MY comfort was sublime, everyone else be damned.
Human: What is your favorite thing to have when just completing a hike? I'm parking the car at the end of the trail for me and some friends. It'll be a 4 night 5 day trek. I'm thinking I'll stock it up with some goodies for everyone. What are your favorite things to have waiting for you? Assistant: Shit, shower, sex, and steak	Human: What is your favorite thing to have when just completing a hike? I'm parking the car at the end of the trail for me and some friends. It'll be a 4 night 5 day trek. I'm thinking I'll stock it up with some goodies for everyone. What are your favorite things to have waiting for you? Assistant: A hot bath, outside - like in an onsen. Especially if it’s snowing or raining outside.
Human: Problem with too much food. So we started weekend hiking more seriously roughly 2 years ago, and our biggest issue with weight was the food we brought along. 1. It was way too heavy 2. We always brought back more than half the food we actually brought in. What is your way of gauging the "perfect" amount of food for your trips? Assistant: My go to when dehydrating my food and planning is 150grams of food per meal and 2 pounds for the day. Obviously calorie dense foods and I do include snacks in the weight.	Human: Problem with too much food. So we started weekend hiking more seriously roughly 2 years ago, and our biggest issue with weight was the food we brought along. 1. It was way too heavy 2. We always brought back more than half the food we actually brought in. What is your way of gauging the "perfect" amount of food for your trips? Assistant: I think about how many calories I need for a day, find calorie dense food, and pack that. It's not really rocket science, but you have to spend some effort doing it. I usually prep food and then have it ready to go so just need to grab it and I'm ready to go.
Human: Your favourite Cottage Company I'm curious to find out people's favourite cottage company. Links to their website, your favourite piece of kit from them, and why you like them so much would be what I hope to read! Assistant: https://dirtygirlgaiters.com deserves a shoutout. They only make one thing and that one thing is fucking amazing. Not sure why, but I have a huge problem with getting pebbles and wood chips and crap in my shoes. I can get pebbles in my shoes while indoors. It’s like my feet attract them or something. The little gaiters totally solve this problem, they come in fun colors, and strangers shout “Nice dirty girls” at you on the trail. What’s not to love?	Human: Your favourite Cottage Company I'm curious to find out people's favourite cottage company. Links to their website, your favourite piece of kit from them, and why you like them so much would be what I hope to read! Assistant: I'll probably go with Simply Light Designs (www.simplylightdesigns.com). Although relatively unknown out of the hammock world, Jared does quality work, at good prices, with probably the fastest turn around time in the business. There are some other companies that compete with them (Wilderness Logics handmade a down quilt for me in 5 days), but Jared is on another level. I ordered an asym tarp from him, and three days later, I was holding it in my hands.
Human: Etsy UL Gear Does anyone have any experience with the Etsy products made by Packback Designs for backpacks or HangTightShop for quilts? I'm not sure if I'm in the market or not, but like the idea of buying from some dude/dudette in a garage. https://www.etsy.com/shop/PackbackDesigns?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing\_id=727125560 https://www.etsy.com/shop/HangTightShop?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing\_id=575309147 Assistant: I buy stuff on Etsy all the time. All kinds of stuff. I haven't had a bad experience with any of it. Some of it is obviously more garage-based than other stuff, but this is hardly worse than buying used stuff off r/ULgeartrade.	Human: Etsy UL Gear Does anyone have any experience with the Etsy products made by Packback Designs for backpacks or HangTightShop for quilts? I'm not sure if I'm in the market or not, but like the idea of buying from some dude/dudette in a garage. https://www.etsy.com/shop/PackbackDesigns?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing\_id=727125560 https://www.etsy.com/shop/HangTightShop?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing\_id=575309147 Assistant: I’m in a love/hate with my HangTight.
Human: UL Fishing Rod Recommendations? Looking for something to take on longer hikes. What does everyone use? It needs to fit in a backpack, so it should be a multi-piece solution. In the past, I've just rolled my own by just taking the top section off of a longer rod and mounting the reel on it. But I wonder if there is anything else out there. Assistant: Kind of off topic but I have been wondering, how do you cook caught fish with the ultralight stoves we all bring? Boil?	Human: UL Fishing Rod Recommendations? Looking for something to take on longer hikes. What does everyone use? It needs to fit in a backpack, so it should be a multi-piece solution. In the past, I've just rolled my own by just taking the top section off of a longer rod and mounting the reel on it. But I wonder if there is anything else out there. Assistant: My spinning set-up is all the way at the bottom. It comes in a 1.44 total but could be much lighter if I took out tackle. https://lighterpack.com/r/4k2agb
Human: Replacements for Altra Lone Peak 4s I'm starting a thru hike of the Appalachian Trail in a month. My lone peaks are on their last leg. I looked online and it looks like Altra isn't making them anymore. Reviews show the 4.5s as not a worthy replacement. What is everyone trying as a replacement for lone peak 4s? I'm not thrilled about having to test out new shoes a month before my thru hike but here we are. I'd like to find something that I could buy consistently on my thru hike so I'm not testing out new trail runners from different brands out on the trail. Assistant: Do you get Inov8 shoes in the US? Roclites are generally recommended over here. Or I have the new Terra Ultra with Graphene soles - great grip and durability. They're very good. Zero drop, wider toe. Not much cushioning but I always add my own insoles anyway. As a side point, do people size up for Lone Peaks? I might give them a try next.	Human: Replacements for Altra Lone Peak 4s I'm starting a thru hike of the Appalachian Trail in a month. My lone peaks are on their last leg. I looked online and it looks like Altra isn't making them anymore. Reviews show the 4.5s as not a worthy replacement. What is everyone trying as a replacement for lone peak 4s? I'm not thrilled about having to test out new shoes a month before my thru hike but here we are. I'd like to find something that I could buy consistently on my thru hike so I'm not testing out new trail runners from different brands out on the trail. Assistant: Just google the 4s and you'll be able to buy them for another year or two. I can't even think of the last time I bought a shoe the year it came out. Just pay half price and get last year's since that's the one you want any way.
Human: How many people are using PackStack? Lighterpack seems to be the defacto standard here for listing gear weight, etc. About 6 months ago, u/maplethorpej posted that he had created an alternative: Packstack.io. Now, I've gotta admit that I am relatively new to the world of ultralight (having grown up in a world where the larger the pack, the better, and you always needed big heavy boots...) so I've only started recording the weight of what I've got (while dreaming about what I want). I find Pakstack handy for this, but was curious whether there were any other Packstack users here. Assistant: Interesting. Can you import from Excel? Regardless, thanks for the heads-up, had not heard of it.	Human: How many people are using PackStack? Lighterpack seems to be the defacto standard here for listing gear weight, etc. About 6 months ago, u/maplethorpej posted that he had created an alternative: Packstack.io. Now, I've gotta admit that I am relatively new to the world of ultralight (having grown up in a world where the larger the pack, the better, and you always needed big heavy boots...) so I've only started recording the weight of what I've got (while dreaming about what I want). I find Pakstack handy for this, but was curious whether there were any other Packstack users here. Assistant: Can you post your gear list with this website to show us how it looks? Sharing lighterpacks is one of the main uses
Human: Has anyone used the Burrow Econ quilt by Hammock Gear? I'm in the market for a quilt and I've noticed that Hammock Gear has a section on their site called 'Econ Quilts'. They are considerably cheaper. Does anyone know what makes them so cheap? Assistant: I have an Econ burrow and Underquilt 20 degrees. They are both super nice, but I have troubles with down shifting on the top quilt. The baffles are not seperated from each other so the part by my head for instance, loses down and i have to take it back from other sections.	Human: Has anyone used the Burrow Econ quilt by Hammock Gear? I'm in the market for a quilt and I've noticed that Hammock Gear has a section on their site called 'Econ Quilts'. They are considerably cheaper. Does anyone know what makes them so cheap? Assistant: I used a burrow 40 for a while a couple years back. I don't like the horizontal baffle design as in the night all the down falls to your sides leaving you very cold.
Human: Kungsleden: which tent should I get? I am planning on hiking part of or the entire Kungsleden in northern Sweden next year. I'm looking to buy a new tent, but could use some advice. What I would like: * Good to use in spring - autumn (but mostly summer) in Scandinavian mountains, Iceland, Scotland, places like that * A tent, not a tarp * I'd like to be able to sit. I currently have a tent in which I'm not able to sit, and for longer treks that isn't ideal * Max. budget around 300 euros. If there's an amazing tent that costs a little more I'm willing to reconsider, but definitely cannot spend 500+ euros on a tent * Ideally a tent that is sold in Europe, not just in the US Does anyone have any recommendations, or am I asking for too much considering my budget? As for a sleeping bag, I've got my eyes on the Cumulus Panyam 450, which has a comfort temp of 0 and limit -6. This should be warm enough, right? I've also considered the Panyam 600, but I feel like that would probably be unneccessary extra weight. Assistant: X-Mid works pretty well for UK conditions if that helps. There's an EU one on ulgeartrade right now.	Human: Kungsleden: which tent should I get? I am planning on hiking part of or the entire Kungsleden in northern Sweden next year. I'm looking to buy a new tent, but could use some advice. What I would like: * Good to use in spring - autumn (but mostly summer) in Scandinavian mountains, Iceland, Scotland, places like that * A tent, not a tarp * I'd like to be able to sit. I currently have a tent in which I'm not able to sit, and for longer treks that isn't ideal * Max. budget around 300 euros. If there's an amazing tent that costs a little more I'm willing to reconsider, but definitely cannot spend 500+ euros on a tent * Ideally a tent that is sold in Europe, not just in the US Does anyone have any recommendations, or am I asking for too much considering my budget? As for a sleeping bag, I've got my eyes on the Cumulus Panyam 450, which has a comfort temp of 0 and limit -6. This should be warm enough, right? I've also considered the Panyam 600, but I feel like that would probably be unneccessary extra weight. Assistant: Any of the 3F UL Lanshan tents would work too. Assuming you’re using trekking poles. I’d prefer them over SMD since they seem to be struggling a bit with their build quality currently. I own a Tarptent Notch (Li) that I used on my Green Ribbon (including Kungsleden) and was quite happy with it. But I think I’d rather go with an X-Mid next time.
Human: Have you gone from a 2P to a 1P tent? I currently use a Marmot Superalloy 2 person. Ive made a lot of weight cuts and slimmed down what I carry a lot. Ive started wondering if I could go to a 1P tent? I feel like I have a lot of unused room in my 2P. I could easily cut another 1LB by going to a 1P Current Tent specs * Packed Weight: 2 lbs 11 oz (1226g) * Minimum Weight: 2 lbs 4 oz (1020g) * Packed Size: 20.5 x 6.5 in \| 52 x 16 cm * Vestibule Area: 6.5 sq ft, 6.5 sq ft \| 0.6 sq m, 0.6 sq m Assistant: The comments in this thread really surprise me! I have an REI Quarter Dome SL1 and have spent quite a few nights in there. I’ve never really felt like I wanted or needed any additional space and I’m 6’1	Human: Have you gone from a 2P to a 1P tent? I currently use a Marmot Superalloy 2 person. Ive made a lot of weight cuts and slimmed down what I carry a lot. Ive started wondering if I could go to a 1P tent? I feel like I have a lot of unused room in my 2P. I could easily cut another 1LB by going to a 1P Current Tent specs * Packed Weight: 2 lbs 11 oz (1226g) * Minimum Weight: 2 lbs 4 oz (1020g) * Packed Size: 20.5 x 6.5 in \| 52 x 16 cm * Vestibule Area: 6.5 sq ft, 6.5 sq ft \| 0.6 sq m, 0.6 sq m Assistant: I started with a tent, then went to a hammock under the impression that it was lighter and more comfortable. While for many people that is true, I found that the tarp, hammock, underquilt, and top quilt weight just as much as a tent, pad and sleeping bag, plus i couldnt get comfortable because im a side/belly sleeper. I switched to a 1 person tent, currently the Alps Mountaineering Lynx, but when I get home I think I'm going to spring for the Nemo Drangonfly.