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ybl32a |
*I am not OP.*
Posted by u/J_Stark1995 (BF) and u/Independent_Theory80 (GF's friend)
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[**Boyfriend posts on AITA**](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/pdq5vz/aita_for_telling_my_girlfriend_to_choose_me_or/) _- Aug 29, 2021_
My girlfriend (25F) and I (26M) have been together for four years. She's been best friends with her friend (also 25F) since middle school. Before I came into the picture they were attached at the hip and then the BFF got jealous of how often my girlfriend and I were together.
For our entire relationship she's been manipulative of my girlfriend and not at all understanding especially when my girlfriend cancels plans with the BFF to hang out with me. She has also said repeatedly that I'm abusive and controlling even though she exclusively dates guys who are AHs.
It all came to a head tonight when we were all out together. The BFF was going on and on about her new job and my girlfriend finally interrupted to talk about our vacation instead. The BFF got upset and asked if my girlfriend even knew where she worked because my girlfriend "was never around anymore." The BFF started crying in the middle of a bar about how her feelings get hurt when my girlfriend cancels on their plans or doesn't reply to texts.
I had enough and asked why she was so obsessed with my girlfriend and our relationship and always needs to lie to get attention (about me being controlling). Then her blowhard boyfriend got involved and threatened me with physical violence. Everyone split up after that, and the BFF texted my girlfriend to try to manipulate her some more by saying sorry she started the fight and saying she wanted some space for awhile.
My girlfriend started crying about how much it all upsets her and after four years I was just kind of tired of it and told her that she needed to choose between me and the BFF. She got upset with me and told me that she couldn't choose between us and it wasn't fair to ask her to even though the BFF is always starting drama. AITA here or is the BFF just a psycho?
​
[**Hours later a friend of his girlfriend (GFF) finds the post**](https://reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/pdq5vz/aita_for_telling_my_girlfriend_to_choose_me_or/hatt2qv/?context=999) _- Aug 29, 2021_
YTA Jake.
Until now I've been a casual reader of this sub, but after reading this one I had to make an account and reply because I'm fairly certain I'm part of this friend circle and witnessed this all go down last night. Everyone is right that you are the most unreliable narrator who left out so many details. Let me clear those up.
First, we all asked about her new job and wanted to hear all the details. She's so excited about it because it's her dream job, which your GF knows. That girl worked her ass off to get it, so she gets to talk as much as she wants about it. You two don't like hearing about anything that isn't about yourselves (specifically about you, Jake).
Second, your GF has never known how to balance a boyfriend with healthy friend relationships. I've known them both since college. She's insecure, immature, and self-centered. That's how you're able to control her. The only reason you two get invited anywhere anymore is because her BFF and her boyfriend insist it would be rude not to invite her. Because you're a package deal, we're stuck with you, too.
Third, you were never threatened with "physical violence." You're a 6'4 dude who got in a crying girl's face to scream at her and her boyfriend told you to back up and put himself in between the both of you.
Fourth, she was only crying because you were calling her names. This also isn't the first time you've called her names. You literally called her a psycho in your post.
Fifth, YOU make your girlfriend cancel on this poor girl at least 1-2 a month. I've seen the texts from your GF cancelling because you came up with some bullshit about how you don't get enough time with her.
Sixth, she only calls you a controlling asshole because you are one. You convinced your GF to stop talking to her for a period of time when she was very depressed and suicidal because you said her being suicidal was also manipulation.
Seventh, if anyone is manipulative in that friendship it's your GF. I've also seen the texts where she told her BFF not to text her while she's with you (at your request), not to expect a response from her ever because she "doesn't deserve one," and not to get upset when she cancels because she "isn't owed any time." The girl apologizes so much because your GF has her convinced she's a bad person/needy/clingy.
Lastly, Jake, if this is you, and I really don't see how it couldn't be unless there are two AH guys who think they're related to Tony Stark and went off on their GF's BFFs in a bar last night, the entire friend group agrees YTA. I'll be sending them all screenshots of this post.
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[**Boyfriend replies**](https://reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/pdq5vz/aita_for_telling_my_girlfriend_to_choose_me_or/hatx1y1/?context=999) _- August 30, 2021_
Mind your own business because you don't know the half of what goes on.
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***and they "talk"*** _- August 30, 2021_
[*GFF -*](https://reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/pdq5vz/aita_for_telling_my_girlfriend_to_choose_me_or/hatzhqy/?context=999) Buddy, you made it the world's business lol. Now you're mad you (A) got caught and (B) got pegged as the AH. If you want to talk about it text me because I'm not about to fight with you on here.
[*BF* *-*](https://reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/pdq5vz/aita_for_telling_my_girlfriend_to_choose_me_or/hau19ke/?context=999) I don't get why you had to come on here and start drama. I was just venting because this always happens when we get together as a group. She goes nuts, he gets all big and tough and you stick your nose where it doesn't belong
[*GFF* *-*](https://reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/pdq5vz/aita_for_telling_my_girlfriend_to_choose_me_or/hau20n7/?context=999) First, you're the one who posted to start drama.
Second, good thing it's Sunday because you need some quality time with Jesus. And a therapist.
Third, YOU WERE NEVER THREATENED. You picked a fight with a girl who's a foot shorter than you and her boyfriend told you to stop. Period. End of story.
Everyone stay tuned for Jake's next post: AITA for lying on Reddit and getting caught?
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[**GFF clarifies details**](https://reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/pdq5vz/aita_for_telling_my_girlfriend_to_choose_me_or/hau0oyc/?context=999) _- August 30, 2021_
He was never threatened. He was in this girl's face berating her when her boyfriend stepped in between and told him to back off. That's it. They left right after that because she was upset and nobody could have fun after that.
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[**Someone asked GFF for updates and they respond**](https://reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/pdq5vz/aita_for_telling_my_girlfriend_to_choose_me_or/haugaad/?context=999) _- August 30, 2021_
1. I talked to her BFF after I saw this post, and she gave me permission to share anything needed to clear things up. She's really embarrassed that now there wasn't just a public argument, but it was published to thousands of people on the internet even if her name isn't attached to it. She's a genuinely kind person who had a rough period in her life 2-3 years ago. Thankfully she's in a better place emotionally now than she was back then. OP wasn't wrong about how often she apologizes, but she's not doing it to manipulate anyone. She actually thinks that she's to blame for these types of situations when they occur because OP and his GF tell her that she's to blame. From what I understand, she's firm in her decision to take some time away from OP's girlfriend. She thinks that's the best thing for her mental health right now, so obviously everyone will support her.
As for the girlfriend, she does deserve better than OP. He's a very controlling and jealous guy. She's not assertive at all and has a lot of her own problems which makes it easy for him to assert this level of control over her. I don't think she's a bad person at all, but she has always gotten her self worth through having a boyfriend and that shows in her actions. A lot of our friends are just done with having that level of toxicity in the friend group, but her BFF and her BFF's boyfriend always advocate on the GF's behalf so that she's not totally isolated and keeps being invited to everything.
​
2. You know I sent screenshots and a link to this mess. She isn't talking to any of us right now (including Jake) because of it.
​
[**After it was reposted on Am I the Devil GFF comments:**](https://reddit.com/r/AmITheDevil/comments/pe9wc2/plot_twist_friend_in_the_group_shows_up_in_the/hazvmzn/?context=999) _- August 31, 2021_
Friend here. 100% real unfortunately. He texted everyone who was there that night to figure out who it was before bringing it back to reddit instead of keeping it private like an adult would. He honestly thought he would find someone who agreed with him.
​
[**GFF posts another update**](https://reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/pdq5vz/aita_for_telling_my_girlfriend_to_choose_me_or/hazv37y/?context=999) _- August 31, 2021_
UPDATE:
The BFF mentioned in this post is fine. I told her that everyone is on her side, which has made her feel a little better about it. She's in a really good place in her life right now and is grateful for anyone who's reached out.
The GF is now single. This post and the backlash from everyone, including her mom, made her realize that he was such a shitty guy. I know some people were worried about domestic violence, but she's staying with people right now (clearly I'm not going to say who because Jake's probably still lurking). She knows that people are here if she wants to talk.
Not sure where their friendship stands right now, but that's for them to work out while everyone else supports them.
Jake (OP) has been blocked on all social media by basically everyone. Hopefully he finds himself a good therapist.
Thank you to everyone who has commented/messaged/reached out. You're all amazing people for caring about two girls you don't even know. Keep standing up for those who need it. This isn't an uncommon situation, so don't be afraid to reach out if you need help or you think someone needs help. | 14,098 | 2022-10-23T15:49:11 | AITA For Telling My Girlfriend to Choose Me or her Best Friend? | REPOST | rainingsakuras | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ybl32a/aita_for_telling_my_girlfriend_to_choose_me_or/ | false | false | [
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ybnyw8 | [removed] | 1 | 2022-10-23T17:41:52 | AITA for refusing to speak to my coworker? | REPOST | [deleted] | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ybnyw8/aita_for_refusing_to_speak_to_my_coworker/ | false | false | [
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ybo0kp | **I am NOT OP. [Original post](https://www.reddit.com/r/addiction/comments/mrj8g7/my_best_friend_has_crossed_the_point_of_no_return/) in r/addiction with permission**
trigger warnings: >!drug abuse!<
mood spoilers: >!positive!<
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**My best friend has crossed the point of no return (IV heroin). I am watching his life fall apart before my eyes and feel completely helpless to do anything about it.** - Apr 15 2021
I'm no stranger to drugs. I've tried almost anything anyone has ever put in front of me and despite that, I've never struggled with substance abuse at any point in my entire life. Never let any drug become a daily thing (besides weed at certain periods in my life, but ive always been able to cold turkey if necessary) and I'm talking stims, opiates, and everything in between. Never had cravings I couldn't just toss aside. Honestly, I feel like I'm too busy with my job, hobbies and personal relationships to ever have the time to be a drug addict. I just don't have enough time to get high and I'm not in love with it enough to make time. Drugs are just something I do for fun sometimes.
Throughout my life, most of my friends have been similar to me in this way. I've done more drugs than most of them, but only two of friends who have tried as many different substances as I have. One of them was a polydrug abuser who finally got clean in 2017 after some ODs and is still clean to this day, genuinely living his best life. The other is my best friend, who for the sake of anonymity we will call Rodney. We were roommates for a few years until I moved in with my girlfriend in April of last year. We've been through a ton together and have been friends for ten years as of this summer, and extremely close for the past five. When we lost our townhouse due to my ex causing a ton of shit and eventually withholding rent, my Mom took the both of us in until we were able to get back on our feet. That's where the situation I'm asking for advice on today really begins.
Before we lost our townhouse in mid 2019, Rodney was in a pretty experimental phase of his drug use. He was doing a lot of hallucinogens and Xanax, and because it was in front of me so much I would indulge too, although not as frequently as him. I was personally doing a lot of coke at the time which he wasn't really engaging in with me, saying the hangovers were too much for him at the time and he found the days after too depressing. The xans got pretty out of hand for him, he pretty much traded in his average of smoking a half ounce of shatter every pay period to maybe one or two grams and just got fucked on benzos all day instead. Told me they helped him feel human, as he suffered from pretty severe anxiety and I did too so I was sensitive to that. Once our supplier's stock started getting inconsistent he eventually drew back out of necessity because he couldn't handle the withdrawals. Shortly after this is where we moved in with my mom.
My Mom and her husband are extremely anti substance. They rarely drink and have both never so much as been in the same room as a joint willingly. It shouldn't surprise anyone that our being welcome pivoted pretty directly on the understanding that we wouldn't be bringing any drugs into the house. Rodney, who hasn't spent a day sober since we were 13 years old, actually acclimated shockingly quickly. He respected my parents rules and kept any shatter he had in his toolbox at work (it's legal here, Canada) but rarely smoked it simply due to the inconvenience of it. Suddenly drug use was something that he only really engaged in in social settings, even with weed. Things were good for us.
Come December of that year though, that all changed. Rodney went to Christmas dinner at his family home and was surprised that his Dad wasn't there. His parents had recently split up and moved into separate apartments, but we're still close friends living in the same building and saw each other frequently, so it didn't make sense for him to not be there. Rodney's twin brother arrived late to the dinner and was a bit upset, informing everybody that their Dad had called him that day with some news. Turns out their Dad is gay, but being an older dude stayed in the closet due to fear of discrimination for his whole life. He had made the decision to move back to Ontario because he had been in a secret relationship with his boyfriend for an undeclared period of time and couldn't really handle facing the family he raised. The dude literally told one of his 3 kids "hey, I'm gay, I have a boyfriend and I'm running away with him, if you could let your mom and siblings know for me that'd be great" and walked out of their lives completely. On fucking Christmas. Nobody in that room handled it particularly well, understandably so, but Rodney took it really hard.
Over night the guy shut me out emotionally. He wouldn't go into details about what was on his mind like he usually did, and I didn't want to push him. I figured he just needed time to process what he was facing.
To this day, my idea of how he felt at that time is entirely based off of assumption and observation. He became severely depressed. He found a new Xanax dealer (my other clean buddy's old connect, who I regrettably introduced him to several years prior) and started buying them by the hundreds. For months this dude just popped bar after bar until they barely did shit to him anymore. He ended up getting very close to an older man who runs a popular sandwich shop and deli in our town as one of our mutual friends would go there to smoke weed with him in the back room sometimes. They liked his stories, he lead a very interesting life (there is a Sundance festival award winning documentary about this particular deli owner, I'm not even shitting you). Well, after a bit Rodney had been going there long enough for this deli owner to open up to him about the fact that he frequently smoked crystal meth. Rodney, being no stranger to trying new substances and in a particularly vulnerable state, asked if he could try it. Deli guy wouldn't let him for a long while, but eventually cracked after a few weeks of pestering.
He smoked meth every other day for 2 weeks after that, didn't sleep for most of it and still went to work every single day thru it all. He got reckless about drugs in my parents place, he'd be so fucked up on xans he'd pass out in random spots in the house and would be so wired other times he'd start cleaning the kitchen at 2am and wake everyone up. My parents aren't idiots, they knew something was up, and it all came to a head when he started getting so fucked up on the xans that he'd start sparking joints right there in his bedroom without being lucid enough to remember he wasn't allowed. My parents were aware of the situation with his dad and were trying to be sensitive to it, but they gave him the ultimatum that if this shit didn't stop immediately he wasn't gonna be allowed to live there anymore. They didn't know what he was on, they just wanted it to stop and gave him another chance.
I ended up coming clean to all of our other friends that Rodney was going off the rails during a mushroom trip I was on when he wasn't there. My entire life had become mitigating the tension between him and my parents and the stress of it all was too much for me. He wasn't himself, he wasn't opening up to me anymore and I was losing my best friend, I needed help getting through to him. He refused to talk about the substance use with anyone, and kept telling people we were all freaking out over nothing and turning him into some kind of spectacle that we could judge for entertainment. It was never like that, but that didn't stop him from permanently cutting several of our close friends out of his life because they weren't "supporting" him. He just convinced himself that nobody actually cared and they just wanted something to gossip about.
He got kicked out of my parents last April, and moved into a shitty motel in our town on a weekly rate for a bit. He was super fucked on xans one day and came clean to me that he started having sex with the deli guy during their meth sessions, I don't know if he even remembers telling me. Said he's not gay but he "likes to get off" or some shit. It seemed to me like he was really questioning his identity after everything with his dad, and was going off the rails trying to get his head in order and was doing a dangerously poor job at it. I started to withdraw from him after he got kicked out of my mom's. He wouldn't listen to me anymore and it hurt me too much to force it.
By this point the pandemic was in full swing. I'd see him outside my house from time to time and he told me he was cleaning up, not doing the xans anymore. He had a fair number of other drug stories, however, mostly cocaine binges despite the fact that he used to hate blow but was suddenly all for it. He would talk about hanging out with other people who I'd never met, doing drugs with them. He'd always keep it vague though, and even when I'd call him out on it he'd never go into detail about what he was doing with them.
Aside from the mysterious-ness, he seemed like he was pretty much back to his old self for awhile. When we hung out it finally felt normal. Sure he had his drug stories, but they were much more in tune with the "occasional fun" type stories they used to be for us than the constant it became for him at one point. I thought he was getting better. I was wrong.
Our plug started selling hydros. I don't fuck with opiates anymore, my girlfriend's dad is an addict who abandoned them when she was 11 and I won't touch them out of respect for her. But Rodney picked a few up and took them to a test site. They were clean, no fent at all. He flaunted that receipt like he'd just found the damn arc of the covenant or some shit. Suddenly, he was doing hydros almost daily. He justified it in his head that, because they were clean, they were safe. Kept trying to do them with me but I refused. At first, he was fine not bringing them around me. But as time went on and the pandemic restrictions relaxed to allow in home gatherings again, he started disappearing to the bathroom for a while when he'd come over and come out nodding like a motherfucker. I didn't say much. Felt like the words would be wasted on him. I thought that, maybe, if I was just there for him emotionally while he worked through everything it would all be okay.
Then the safe supply came. During the pandemic, our government began prescribing opiates for recreational use to addicts because our street opiate supply was so overridden with fent. He also has to take methadone with it to get the hydros, but he still gets 6 4mg hydros a day from the pharmacy. That was a problem, because he wasn't doing anywhere near that many hydros before due to cost, but with the safesupply all he had to pay was a dispensing fee (around the cost of a single pill from the plug). His tolerance shot through the roof.
Within less than a month of him getting the safe supply, him and I had planned a coke night with another buddy of ours (this was last weekend). We picked up the coke, and he asked me to give him a ride to this random address in town. I pulled up outside and it was junkies as far as the eye could see, a couple cops posted up, and what looked to be some kind of social service building. He ran inside for a minute and came back out with a paper bag. I asked him what it was and he confessed to me that his tolerance has gotten too high to do the hydros nasally, so he's been going to the safe injection sites to get supplies he can IV with. He also confessed to me that he had bought some heroin from one of the junkies outside, just "for the comedown" in case he ran out of hydros by the time the blow was gone. He told me that he is "just having [his] fun" and that I have nothing to worry about, that he's not some lazy junkie, he still has his shit together etc. Then he admitted he's been banging it for a few weeks now, and last time he was at my place the reason he was nodding out so harsh is because he was still nailing down the right IV dose.
I pretended in the moment that I believed him. That it was no big deal. We went through that coke night with him sticking a needle in his arm every time he wanted to dose, coke, hydros and heroin direct into his veins. I hated every second of it, but I didn't want him to feel judged so I kept my mouth shut, told myself that if things got bad I'd freak out then. And yet every single day since that coke night I can barely sleep. I keep thinking about this dark ass road he's decided to walk down and genuinely think he's lost his fucking mind. This dude is like my brother and I feel like he has a disease and I'm watching him die. He's so convincing when he talks like it's all no big deal but IT IS A BIG DEAL, right? Is there any such thing as a functional, recreational IV heroin user? Am I insane for even considering the fact that that could exist?
I don't wanna lose my brother, but I don't know what I can do to help him. I feel like if I push back on him about this he will cut me out. I don't want him to feel alone, I want him to feel supported, but it's so beyond time for him to get clean. He's suffering. He's killing himself day by day and I don't know how to help him. Do I give him an ultimatum? Do I tell him that he's gotta choose between me or the drugs? Do I tell his Mom? I swear to god if I do nothing and something does happen to him I will never forgive myself. I just don't know what to do. I know that he's dealing with severe mental health struggles but I feel like he's just running away. He won't talk to me or open up to me about any of it anymore. Ever since his Dad, he hasn't been the same. I just want my brother back. Any advice that you guys can give I would really appreciate. I just feel so lost.
TL;DR - My best friend's drug addiction has gotten to the point where he's using IV heroin. I feel like I'm watching him kill himself and I don't know what to do to get him to stop.
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[**UPDATE**](https://www.reddit.com/r/addiction/comments/mu74d7/update_my_best_friend_has_crossed_the_point_of_no/) - Apr 19 2021
Before I get into the update, I just want to quickly thank everyone who reached out. Your advice was reaffirming and although I wasn't necessarily comforted by a lot of it, I certainly felt a clearer head.
Things got a lot worse after writing my last post. Rodney's 24th birthday is at the end of this month and when we still lived together a massive hobby we both shared was record collecting. He got into it because I had a turntable and stereo in our townhouse and he wanted to be able to have records of his own to listen to on it. He was unable/uninterested in getting his own after I moved in with my girlfriend, mostly because he was too preoccupied with his drug use. He'd still buy records with me, but he would only listen to them on my turntable at my house. I sold him my old stereo when I did some upgrading last summer, and the only thing he needed was a turntable of his own to start listening to his records again. I had the idea that, if I got him his own turntable, maybe he would be able to start reconnecting with hobbies again and be able to get his mind right before the heroin use got out of hand.
I got him a beautiful vintage deck and had it refurbished with a fresh cartridge installed. I decided to give it to him early. Wrapped it and everything and got him a few crates to store his records in since he could take them home now. I invited him over and didn't say anything about a gift (I wanted it to be a surprise), but unfortunately he never showed up. I spam called/texted but got nothing. He eventually called me hours after he was supposed to come by sounding absolutely high off his dome, said he "fell asleep" and just woke up. I told him he had to come through the following day to make it up to me. He agreed.
The next day he got sent home from work as his boss said he was "visibly inebriated" and was a "safety concern" for the shop. He lost it on his boss and threw everything away by quitting on the spot. This was a new boss at his shop, his old boss who he worked under for over a half decade, completed his entire apprenticeship with, got his certification with, recently moved up in the company and isn't really there to advocate for him now. They tried to talk him out of it but he walked out. Eventually, several hours late, he did make it to my house. He looked haggard, and his voice sounded all creaky and barely coherent. Before he would even talk to me he said he needed to use the bathroom. Stayed in there for a half hour. Came out barely able to stand straight and called his regional manager while completely blasted to yell about how offended he was by what his direct superior had done. I tried to get him off the phone but he essentially just did everything he could to burn that bridge right to the fucking ground. They won't take his calls now.
He opened his turntable. He cried when he saw it. Thanked me up and down and told me how much it meant to him... then nodded off half way through expressing his gratitude. When he eventually came to he didn't even remember the turntable interaction. Just kept yelling incoherently about how his boss only sent him home cause he feels "threatened" and he jealous that Rodney has the highest numbers in the shop. He cycled through that for a few hours. It was excruciating. I mean, I guess I'm the idiot for thinking that buying him the one thing he needed to reconnect with his hobby would fix everything. It hurt my feelings a little bit though, admittedly, that he seemed to lose interest so fast. He was so far removed from logical thought, he didn't even seem like the same person. I felt in that moment the way I assume people do when dealing with belligerent alcoholic family members. From that moment I knew that I was going to have to confront him and tell him that if he wasn't willing to get clean, I was gonna have to take a step back until he was.
I dropped him off at home that night and helped him bring his stuff up. I needed time to think before going ahead with this. Said goodbyes and just cried into my girlfriends arms for hours. I was just so angry. He knew better. I was furious that he had taken shit this far and now I was gonna lose one of the most important people in the world to me because of drugs. I felt so numb by the time I settled down. It was an awful night.
I ended up telling our clean friend I mentioned in the last post (I'm just gonna name him Jackson for simplicity) everything, as he worked for a rehab center in our city during his recovery for years and still had connections there. He basically agreed that I had to stop enabling Rodney and agreed with my plan to take a step back. I took the weekend and spent some time with two of my other close friends, just longboarding around a park in our town enjoying the sunshine to clear my head. Yesterday I went downtown and bought some records for myself and went to the beach with my girlfriend. It was all exactly what I needed just to feel human for a second.
This morning, Jackson messaged me. Rodney had reached out to him and come clean about everything. The full story I told you guys plus the fact that the only thing he can think about is shooting up and he needs to inject his full daily allotment of hydros (24mg) at once just to feel anything. That he's been doing tons of heroin/fentanyl just to fight off withdrawals. And he admitted that he was in way too deep and was utterly terrified for his life. I messaged him immediately and just said good morning to him and that I hoped his weekend went well. Reminded him I loved him. He told me right away about the conversation he was having with Jackson and he told me he needed to go to rehab. How he needed help. How he just wanted to be happy with his life again and doesn't wanna lose everything. We talked all morning this morning. Rodney told me he made it all through yesterday without shooting any heroin but he cracked this morning. Scraped all his tins for anything he could get. He told me he felt so out of control of himself and he just needs support to get better. He's ready to get clean. He doesn't wanna be just another junkie. We're still messaging back and forth a little. I'm talking to Jackson in the back end.
Jackson just told me he's pulled some strings to get Rodney in to the rehab that saved his life four years ago. He's getting admitted tomorrow morning. Rodney can't afford it but somehow Jackson has negotiated a reduced rate for Rodney to go and has taken care of his first month's cost (a few grand, not even joking). They're gonna help him get some income assistance and they're gonna accept whatever the government is willing to provide even if it doesn't pay the cost in full. I cried at my desk. I'm so damn proud of him for taking this step and, in a way, I'm also relieved that I didn't need to force it. My boy is still in there. He still cares about himself. He still loves me. And now he's gonna get better. And im back crying at my desk.. haha.
Thank you again, all of you, for talking me through all this on my last post. I appreciate every one of you.
TL;DR - He's going to rehab. He ended up realizing how fast he is going down the tubes and made that decision without confrontation from anyone. He gets admitted tomorrow morning and my main focus now is just being there for him.
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[**UPDATE**](https://www.reddit.com/r/addiction/comments/y2ipf1/final_update_my_best_friend_has_crossed_the_point/) - Oct 12 2022
The original post feels like a lifetime ago at this point, but I still get messages on this account from time to time asking about Rodney or for advice on how to help their own loved ones, and I figured now is as good a time as any to give everyone some closure.
Jackson was able to make good on his promise and Rodney went to rehab, as planned, that next morning. He had picked up his prescription hydros he was getting at the time and injected all six of them right before going into the building, according to Rodney they barely hit him. Jackson said it is some kind of a rite of passage when addicts head into rehab, gives them closure. Evidently it didn't do any more damage than it already had.
The rehab Rodney went to was inpatient, and was able to give him a lot of resources that he, previously, hadn't had access to. Counselling helped him sort out some issues he had and a psychiatrist was able to prescribe him some medications to help level out his (previously undiagnosed) bipolar disorder. He was on suboxone for some time as well but stopped at some point. He spent three months in "first stage recovery" where he wasn't allowed out without a chaperone, but moved into a second stage house after the fact. Second stage functioned a lot like a halfway house, a sober living facility that they just had to be back at every night. He got a sponsor and took on his own sponsee after he got his six month chip. He continued living in second stage for over a year after that and became employed by the rehab facility he went to within a few months of being in second stage as a house manager. He kept that job until he began pursuing a college education in social work at the beginning of this year. He even made deans list in his first semester.
Although almost everybody at his center said there's no such thing as a "one and done," Rodney was. I spoke at his 1 year cake back in April the week of his 25th. Tears were shed, laughs were had, it was a huge meeting with a tons and it was really heartwarming to see so many people all there to support each other. It was also good for me as, because of Rodney's rehab being a decent distance from our old neighbourhood, we don't get to spend nearly as much time together as we used to. That's fine by me, I'm just glad he's still here with a life to live, but I miss him.
He moved out of his second stage house just under two weeks ago. He's staying with his Mom while he finds his footing for his first stint outside the recovery world since he got clean. He's working hard on his studies. He never relapsed. He's insanely committed to his sobriety, as he should be. And, most importantly, my boy is alive (and, honestly, better off than he was to begin with).
I'm glad that this is how it all ended up. Thank you to all the folks who reached out with supportive words when I first posted these. To anyone who reached out to me who were in similar circumstances, I hope your story has an equally happy ending. Same goes for anyone that ever reads these threads again, and if you ever need support, don't hesitate to reach out. There is hope.
Thanks for reading guys. Take care of yourself and your loved ones.
tl;dr - My best friend crossed the point of no return (IV heroin) and returned. I thank the universe every day.
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ybphn5 | **I am NOT OP. Original post by u/throwaway4352016**
mood spoilers: >!Good I guess!<
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[**I (M27) lost control on a date in front of her (F21) whole family. What can I do now?**](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/1prsg3/i_m27_lost_control_on_a_date_in_front_of_her_f21/) - Nov 2013
I joined website for dating to try and get more dates. That was my only intent. I have been working too much for 2 years at my new job. I just wanted to have more fun.
I got an e-mail and set up a date with this girl. It's my 5th date from the site, it's been fun. But this one girl was like one of those love at first sight moments when we met at a restaurant. I saw her and she was perfect. I tried to play it cool but I felt like I could just cut ties with all the girls I've dated and just commit to her. Physically she was everything I could ever ask for and exactly my type. Her personality seemed about a 10/10.
About 30 minutes into sitting down, we didn't even order cause we were just talking. The chemistry was as good as it was with my first love when I was 13. It was perfect, sparks were flying, I thought I was done and ready to commit here.
But then she tells me to forget about ordering food, let's go somewhere else, and she has this idea. She won't say much and I like surprises so I didn't ask much. We jumped in my car and drove to this restaurant about 20 minutes away kind of out of town. It was half way up a mountain near a ski resort. I'm familiar with the area so no big deal.
We walk in and her family is celebrating her aunt's birthday. There was only family and a lot of it, about 40 people. She introduces me and everybody was happy to meet me and real nice. Everybody also knew that she was out on a first date. They were asking her stuff like, "is this the guy?" "is this your date?" "is this the one?" All of the sudden I wasn't so cool and relaxed. I felt heavy pressure to be on my best behavior. It was high pressure to the 3rd degree. But everybody was nice so that helped. We sat down and I started being questioned by her older sister, her aunt, and another lady that I forget her relation to my date. The mom started kind of defending me and telling them to back off and let me eat. But the interrogating continued. After I don't know how long they turned to my date and jokingly said "we approve." Then I was able to kind of get my bearings about me for a minute.
I was totally off balance all night, just tense. I was afraid the back of my shirt would get that a big wet spot cause I felt sweat on my back. So the sister brings her cute little girl and let's me hold her and she and my date started taking pictures of me holding her, and somebody else's baby boy as well. I started to feel like the tone of it all was that we were a couple. I kind of felt like I was married to her and these nice people were my in-laws.
After a couple of hours probably closer to 3 hours, everybody was kind of tiring out and everything began to wind down, keep in mind her car is still at the other restaurant down the hill. Then her dad suddenly asks me "jokingly," what my intentions are with his daughter. Though I can't remember how he phrased the question. Everybody looked at the table looked at me which is about half the people there.
I guess I was exhausted from all the questioning (I was questioned by multiple people, multiple times) and the pressure of it all cause I kind of lost it. He asked the question, I looked across the table at her, and she told her dad to stop it. Her dad smiles and jokingly says that he'd really like to hear my response, and her uncle (I think) also said he'd like to know (jokingly). I looked at my date and said, "Can I talk to you alone for a minute." To which her dad laughs loudly and and says "I made him nervous."
So everybody is laughing now and I guess it was a big joke. Then I said to my date, "hey can I talk to you alone for a minute?" I stood up in place, kind of, it was one of those long bench seats and I couldn't push it back cause other people were sitting on it. Then her sister (I think) says, "Oh there are no secrets in this family, speak your mind." People then laugh again and everybody starts making jokes about not having secrets and this man who married into the family somehow tells me that he remembers being in my place and he says, "let me give you some advice, the best thing to do right now is speak your mind and be honest." Then others join in and echo his sentiment, all jokingly I think.
So I looked at my date and she says something like, "you can tell me anything here, we're all family." She also I think was joking. But I had started to lose my ability to tell when people were joking and when they were serious. So the dad says, "wait, I haven't gotten an answer to my question." So finally I speak directly to the dad and say, "I'd like to discuss that with her first." But I REGRETFULLY, laughed as I said it. So her dad says, "I asked you first, I wanna know." I turn to my date and she says something like, "go ahead you can tell me, I'm a big girl I can handle it."
So I said ok, and sat down then took a couple of breaths while her dad kind of quieted everybody down. I started with "I think I made a huge mistake." It all spiraled down from there. I said harsh things like that I felt like I was having a bad dream where I was suddenly married. I questioned her intentions in bringing me there. I said stuff like, "what were you thinking?" "Yes, i liked you, but I just met you, and right now I know your aunt (I pointed at her sitting next to me) better than I know you." I think she was humiliated but I couldn't stop, the more I spoke the more bad stuff came out, total fucking tail spin. I said I want to find someone special but I don't want to skip the first 29 dates and skip to date 30 which is what I'd done that night.
Then people started interrupting and chiming in and suggesting that she and I slow down and have a real first date. I wasn't having it, I was out of control. I said, "no, it's too late for that, I feel robbed here, I wanted to meet this girl, get to know her, date her, and maybe fall for her, but now it's like we're engaged and her whole family is here and there are all these expectations. We skipped the getting to know each other, and dating part so I feel robbed." Then I said yet another thing I regret. I said "It's a HUGE RED FLAG (with an emphatic gesture) that I asked for minute alone with you to talk, and this is what I got instead." I added something like "you're all great and a great family, but the lack of certain boundaries is a huge red flag for me. I would never let my relationship become family business."
My date interrupts me at this point and says, "Ok, so let's talk in private, let's go outside and talk, I'm sorry I didn't give you that minute, let's go outside and talk privately, I'll give you all night." She was visibly shaken and I could tell tears were inevitable. I stood up again and realizing that I had insulted all of them I just quietly walked out. I felt really bad cause they were all nice and had nothing but the best intentions for me. They love her, and they were literally telling me that I was good enough which should've been a compliment, but I somehow took it the wrong way and spat in their face. I didn't even drink.
EDIT: Sorry, I proofread and changed some minor stuff, also I added some stuff to the statement below.
We walked out and I let her have it again. She's now sobbing uncontrollably, She apologized and pretty much begged for us to start over and I told her I wasn't into it and then I left her there. I drove home and couldn't help but wonder if I overreacted. I couldn't sleep and I woke up this morning feeling like I probably did overreact and now I feel like shit. But it's done, I can't undo it.
EDIT: Let me ask this more clearly. Should I call her and apologize for humiliating her, and insulting her family. Or should I just move on. Or should I wait and see if she calls and apologize then?
tl;dr: Went on first date, met her family, insulted all of them cause I felt pressured.
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[**Update**](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/1qshk1/i_27_lost_control_on_a_date_and_insulted_21_her/) - a few weeks later
Just want to clear something up. My date never had a profile on the dating site. She was browsing through with her friend who has a profile and they were looking for a date for her friend. It was the friend who originally messaged me to set me up with my date. Also, I deleted my profile. I'm totally done with online dating. I've been in this city two years now so I'm gonna just go out and meet people the old fashioned way. It just feels less risky somehow.
I know this is gonna disappoint many of you but I decided to speak with her. The very day I posted here was the day immediately after our date. That same evening she called me but I didn't answer cause I was in the shower so sent me a text that said, "do you hate me too much to talk to me?" I texted back "I don't hate you." She reponded, "can I call you?" I texted, "yes".
So she called and immediately went into full apology damage control mode. I told her that it was ok, that I was already over it and moved on. She asked if there was anyway we could meet cause there were somethings she wanted to say in person and she wanted for us to part with a hand shake and all that. It kind of sounded like she needed closure. So I agreed to meet her downtown to talk the following Tuesday. Not a date, no lunch, no coffee, we just met at a park.
We met and I knew she was still the one. She told me she loves me and we decided to try it again. We went on three dates and I proposed. She said YES!!! We're gonna get married in december. No big wedding, we're gonna fly to Las Vegas and do it there. The plan is to spend Christmas as a married couple. Just kidding, I'm not that fucking crazy. Hopefully you're still reading. The rest of the update continues on the next paragraph.
We met at a park just to talk. I had been so disappointed cause I felt that the spark and the butterflies in the stomach would be gone. That I wouldn't like her anymore. As soon as I saw her this was confirmed. There was no spark. She looked great but I just didn't feel it, it kind of crushed me. So I decided to listen to her as she apologized again and told me she had really liked me on that first date and got carried away and made a very dumb decision that she wishes she could take back.
She added that her mom had pulled her aside when we arrived and right from the beginning told her that if she liked me, she'd just made a big mistake by bringing me. I guess her mom pretty much cringed when she saw us walk in that night. Also, I should say that her mom was the only one defending me that night and practically pulling people off of me like her religious uncle who asked me if I'd been saved. I remember that pretty well but I guess her mom came down on her hard for not just having a first date. But she also said that things got even crazier after I left.
Her mom wasn't there for my rant. She had driven somebody home and came back after I'd left. She found my date outside crying and was told what happened. Her mom I guess stormed into the restaurant and went off on everybody for ganging up on me. My date says she called them a bunch of "out of control animals." The whole thing was reduced to a big finger pointing fest by everybody. The mom was furious because the story is that my date's dad left them when my date was 9. He had some sort of breakdown and became an alcoholic. He became verbally and emotionally abusive so the mom kicked him out to protect the kids. He refused to get his act together and disappeared for almost 10 years. So the mom hates when the dad acts like he has a say in his kids' lives since he was gone and just came back less than two years ago. But he still lives over an hour away. A lot of the people that were there I guess live far away and they flew in for the Aunt's b-day. Supposedly most of them she only sees once a year at the most.
So the mom went off on him especially hard and questioned his right to have any say in his daughter's decision to date anybody. She embarrassed him in front of everybody for having over stepped so many boundaries. So she told me this stuff cause she wanted me to know that she was very sorry she let her dad act all fatherly when it wasn't the time and it wasn't "his place." These were her words not mine. In a way I'm glad the mom wasn't there to witness me going off cause then I would've felt really bad. But come to think of it, she probably would've stepped in and prevented it.
She asked me if there was a way we could have that first date again. But I said no. There's no way I can pretend that we are meeting for the first time after all of that. I know too much about her. I feel way too gone past that first date mode right now and maybe I need to take a break from formal dates.
I did apologize to her for not telling her right away how uncomfortable I was and for going off on her outside the restaurant. I told her that there were a lot of nice people there that I felt bad about but that I'm sure they understand me cause they seemed reasonable. As I was talking to her I could see how much better she felt that I had given my own apology. Her face went from subdued and sorry, to kind of hopeful and semi happy.
She started to get back her glow and her spunk. We started talking about other stuff, what I do at work, my hobbies, and some other causal stuff. The more I talked the more she glowed. I felt bad cause she showed up looking kind of fragile and contrite. She looked vulnerable but by the end of our conversation she was smiling and looked more sure of herself. I tried to show my sense of humor and made her laugh. I felt kind of sorry for her I made it my goal to send her home smiling.
I kind of started to feel that spark again after she started smiling and laughing more. She has a great laugh, it's really cute and innocent. It felt a lot like it did at the restaurant. Her awesomeness comes back when she's comfortable. She definitely does it for me. I walked her to her car and we agreed that another date is probably not a good idea right now.
She wanted to meet my yoga teacher cause she's the best. My date (I feel weird not tying her name) has said she needs to learn to relax more when she's stressed out. So I met her at yoga class the following Thursday (the 7th) and made the introduction. My date has been coming to the same three yoga sessions that I do weekly. We talk there. She still flirts with me and hints that we should meet for hot tea (neither of us is a coffee drinker). I walk her to her car after class cause it's dark by then.
I still like her and I can tell she feels the same way. The spark is all the way back now. But all those comments I got here on my original post about her being CRAZY are still completely lodged in my head. They have me second guessing myself about staying in touch with her. I'm not sure what I'm going to do but whatever it is it's gonna take time.
EDIT: I changed some little things and typos.
tl;dr: She called, we met to talk, and she joined my yoga class.
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**Reminder - I am not the original poster. OOP posted another update but I couldn't recover it.** | 13,344 | 2022-10-23T18:42:56 | "I lost control on a date in front of her whole family. What can I do now?" | INCONCLUSIVE | darrow19 | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ybphn5/i_lost_control_on_a_date_in_front_of_her_whole/ | false | false | [
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ybspcg | **I am not the OP. OP has deleted their profile and the post is gone but it was originally posted to** r/relationship_advice. I have used the wayback machine to recover it.
The post earlier today about the guy losing his shit made me think of this one, as I expected it to be a repost of the below.
I have added a trigger warning for the squeamish and a capybara fact so the trigger warning isn't visible when scrolling on mobile.
Capybara fact: They express themselves in a range of ways: purring, barking, cackling, whistling, squealing, whining, grunting and teeth-chattering. Each social group has a different harmonic sound.
trigger warning: >!explosive diarrhea !<
[I \[26f\] did something absolutely humiliating in front of a guy \[30m\] I am dating and his parents. I’m taking advice to keep going with him/move past it. Passing that advice to anyone who may need it here.](https://web.archive.org/web/20210611002537/https://www.reddit.com/r/dating_advice/comments/nx2ten/i_26f_did_something_absolutely_humiliating_in/) June 10 2021
([Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/dating_advice/comments/nx2ten/i_26f_did_something_absolutely_humiliating_in/) to the actual post where comments are viewable)
So I haven’t really left my apartment for a week because of something humiliating that happened recently with a guy I really like who I’m dating. I came to Reddit desperate for unbiased input and got some very conclusive advice.
Life is too short to beat yourself up over dating hiccups where you embarrass yourself with something you couldn’t control.
Don’t hole up and drop someone great just because you’re embarrassed about a situation in dating is the advice.
If you feel like you have done something humiliating in your dating and have no hope… please read my story bc I can almost guarantee you whatever you did is not as humiliating as this.
So I’ve (26f) been dating a new guy (30m) for five months. I like him, and he invited me to his parents house for the long Memorial Day weekend. Sounded fun, kinda taking the relationship to the next step. I was excited.
So the parents order takeout Friday night for everyone and it’s this extremely spicy Indian food and I’m like hm okay not my first choice but I’m going to try everything to be gracious.
Wake up early Saturday at his parents house and I’m like yeah that’s odd, I feel a bit off but maybe I just need breakfast. Meanwhile the guy I’m dating and his father have planned a pre-breakfast run and the dad is like really, really laying on the pressure for me to join in the kitchen.
Reluctantly, I put on running shorts and what not and head out to the driveway with the two of them.
We start running. After about 15 minutes I had fallen a bit behind and was realizing something was very not okay in my body. Everyone knows the not okay feeling and accompanying dread I’m talking about.
The dad slowed down to shuffle next to me. “you okay? need a break? Woah you look really white in the face”.
At that moment I looked at him and it hit me that I was truly in a bad situation. We were at least a mile from their house. Standing on a fully quaint, tree lined residential street with no public bathrooms or even woods. And I was not okay.
I stopped shuffling. The guy I’m seeing responded to his dads shout and ran back and put his hand on my back (I was hunched over).
All I remember is saying don’t fucking touch me right now. At a point of no return and unable to fake graciousness in front of this guys father.
“Leave me. Fast. Just run ahead I’ll meet you back at the house”.
Did they listen? You bet not. They insisted on staying and calling his mom to drive their car to pick us up. I couldn’t even speak. I tried to walk towards a tree but it was too late.
I fully shit in the middle of the road. Not like a cute shit I could hide in my shorts. The kind of unforgivable and unspeakable shit where you have to flush the toilet a few times.
A small or maybe large piece of my soul and dignity was left behind on that street a few weekends ago. I fled the weekend trip early after my shower making up an excuse. I have told the guy since that I just can’t face him in person yet. Someone please help.
if you were dating someone who liked you a lot but then shit herself in front of you and your family and fled the scene with a fake excuse, is there anything she could do after to make things okay enough to continue seeing one another? 😣
That’s what I posed to a bunch of strangers. The resounding answer was surprisingly yes I’d still date her, as long as she handled it with a smile and sense of humor. So I’m taking that advice and crawling out of my shame to see this guy again. Anyone else who shit in front of their significant others father should probably do the same.
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[UPDATE: 26F humiliated myself in front of the guy \[30M\] I was seeing and his family](https://web.archive.org/web/20210721161114/https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/oot2fm/update_26f_humiliated_myself_in_front_of_the_guy/) **(💩😣)** July 21 2021
([Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/oot2fm/update_26f_humiliated_myself_in_front_of_the_guy/) to the actual post where comments are viewable)
Hey everyone! checking in here with an update to this wonderful sub full of people who talked sense into me earlier this summer.
TLDR. If you don’t remember me, I am the one who explosively shit herself in the middle of a quiet residential street around 8am Memorial Day weekend. On a run with the guy I had been seeing for 5 months and his father.
I holed up in my apartment for a week after and came here out of desperation for advice.
I am really going to spare the details here, but my original post is available if anyone cares to dive in.
So I mentioned the last time I posted that the guy - and his wonderful mom - had continued to reach out to me the week following the incident. After I had made up an excuse and left the trip early.
Taking all your advice, I garnered the guts to meet up with him. He came to my apartment and brought dinner and also a bag full of anti-diarrhea otc meds, tums, and - honestly most impressively - a new pair of my favorite running shorts in a color I like and the correct size.
He gave me a huge hug and said that the whole shit myself thing and then suddenly not having me in his life immediately after made him realize how invested he is in the relationship.
I cried. I think I was also laughing. But there were certainly tears.
We’ve been dating since. I really, really like him (❤️!) I even saw his parents again last week when they visited him in the city we both live in. Turns out his dad did go to therapy.
Kidding.
I will forever be made fun of by him so long as we stay together, but I’m okay with that.
if you ever shit yourself in front of your significant other and their father, please pay attention to how everyone else handles the situation. I was so caught up in my own embarrassment that I almost let a really great person and family go.
Thank you again to everyone who helped get me out of my shame!!! ❤️
**Reminder, I am not the OP.** | 6,636 | 2022-10-23T20:55:13 | I [26f] did something absolutely humiliating in front of a guy [30m] I am dating and his parents. I’m taking advice to keep going with him/move past it. Passing that advice to anyone who may need it here. | REPOST | Celany | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ybspcg/i_26f_did_something_absolutely_humiliating_in/ | false | false | [
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ybv1h7 | Hi all. This is a resubmission of a post I made on Friday night (and subsequently deleted).
As folks quickly realized in my original post, the final update (the Moderator response) was presented with no context and just kind of ended in a rather confusing and disjointed way. In my haste to make my first post on this sub, I submitted an earlier draft I had saved where I hadn't finished structuring the final update, so the ending made no sense whatsoever in relation to the original post and subsequent updates. Please accept my sincerest apologies for my mistake. Since I knew I wouldn't have a chance to adequately correct the original post until today, I decided to delete it and submit this revised version instead.
I also wanted to thank those of you who let me know in a polite and constructive way that the ending needed some tweaks. I appreciate you.
On to the story.
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I AM NOT OOP. Original OP is u/skinnygirlsdonteat (deleted) in r/JUSTNOMIL
NOTE: Many posts/accounts involved in this story have been deleted, including one of the r/JUSTNOMIL mods involved, so most links are to external sites like Wayback Machine and Imgur.
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Acronyms (from the official JUSTNOMIL acronym dictionary):
1. (M/F/B/S)IL - Mother-in-law, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law; a preceding S indicates a step relationship.
2. JN - Just No. This is placed before MIL, FIL, etc. to indicate "someone who doesn't respect healthy boundaries and often is abusive towards their children and partners whenever discomfort or displeasure is expressed in regards to horrible behavior." - [u/ithadtobe](https://www.reddit.com/r/JUSTNOMIL/comments/6rz8gb/comment/dl9a6lo/)
3. D(H/W/S) - Damn Husband, Damn Wife, Damn Spouse. While in most places it stands for "Dear", there usually isn't a lot of behavior deserving a sweet term of endearment in this sub. Could also stand for "Dear Son/Daughter", usually OP will clarify.
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First Post
[JNMIL wants me to dye my (naturally red) hair for our wedding so she can be the only (cheaply dyed fake) redhead in wedding pictures](https://web.archive.org/web/20190116110058/https://www.reddit.com/r/JUSTNOMIL/comments/agc9iw/jnmil_wants_me_to_dye_my_naturally_red_hair_for/) - by u/skinnygirlsdonteat on January 16, 2019
Background: Future DH and I met and got engaged within six months. We promptly moved across the country for my career, 1500 miles away from both of our families. This flipped a JN switched in my future MIL who I previously had an amicable relationship with. Although her 30 year old son was in the military for 10 years and hasn’t lived in the same state as her since he was 18, she always had a dream of him moving back home and raising her grandchildren nearby. She’s now taking it out on both of us for permanently relocating so far away.
Story: Future JNMIL texted me this weekend asking what I planned on doing to my hair for our upcoming fall 2019 wedding. I sent her back a few hairstyle photos I had saved from Pinterest as inspiration. Conversation went downhill from there:
JNMIL: No I meant the color! What are you going to do about the color of your hair
Me: Nothing? This is my natural color and I’ve never altered it chemically. If I ever desire to do so it certainly won’t be right before the most photographed day of my life 😂
JNMIL: Don’t you think people will think it’s weird you have the same hair color as (DH)’s mother? I just don’t want you having to explain it to your family that we match
Me: I don’t think anyone is thinking that. My whole family has natural red hair and it’s just coincidence that you have yours dyed a color in the same color family. No worries at all!
JNMIL doesn’t answer for two days
JNMIL: I’m still upset you’re not listening to me about your hair color. I really don’t want anyone judging us for matching. Please reconsider
Me: Sorry!
JNMIL: It makes me uncomfortable that you’d be willing to keep the same color as me when you’re marrying my son.
Me: I’m sorry about that but I don’t think it’s on anyone’s radar that we match. I wouldn’t overthink it!
JNMIL: It is because my sister already said it would be hard to tell you and I apart in a family wedding photo. I just don’t want to put (DH) in an uncomfortable position.
I’m at a loss of how to answer her. Is she really implying her son is somehow going to be sexually attracted to her because we have the same hair? I’m keeping DH out of it because he’s stressed enough from the government shutdown furlough situation he’s in. Any advice is appreciated!
EDIT: ***Thank you so much for silver and mostly for all of the support. I have texted her back and it’s taken a turn for the worse so I’ll post an update tomorrow. Also please note that future DH is in a very vulnerable place right now and speaks with a therapist daily who told us both to take it easy and try to keep other stress at a minimum. Thank you!
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First Update
[Update to JNMIL wants me to dye my (naturally red) hair for our wedding so she can be the only (cheaply dyed fake) redhead in wedding pictures](https://www.rareddit.com/r/JUSTNOMIL/comments/agodmm/update_to_jnmil_wants_me_to_dye_my_naturally_red/) - by u/skinnygirlsdonteat on January 16, 2019 (for transparency, Wayback Machine says January 17, 2019, but WM did not index the post until after it was deleted by the OOP)
First of all- holy shit (almost all of) you are so sweet and supportive. I’m new to this sub (and reddit in general) and really appreciate everyone’s expertise in dealing with women like my future MIL.
I did not expect 6,000+ people to read that post nor did I expect 1,000 comments so I apologize for lack of background. I read every single comment and replied to a few and I seriously appreciate you all. I can’t explain how comforting it is to vent to internet strangers for support. A few comments I saw frequently that I want to address before I post the conversation with MIL:
1) JNMIL has dyed her hair red for the past few years, long before I was in the picture. I also completely forgot about this until reading some of the comments yesterday, but she told me she had always been “obsessed” with redheads. She said she wanted red haired children because she had actual dreams of her having them. Sadly, my 75% Italian fiancé did not turn out that way.
2) Still new here and don’t want to break any rules... how do nicknames work? A few of you suggested some but am I supposed to pick one and start referring to her as that instead of JNMIL?
3) Future DH is furloughed and without pay and has been since December. He’s borderline depressed and sees a therapist once a week in person and talks to one on the phone daily. If this was any other point in our relationship, I’d be sharing this with him. For now, I’ll be handling it/her alone and will update him when he’s back on his feet.
4) Thank you everyone for sending me white dress warnings... I genuinely had no idea this was a thing actual people did. It’s now on my radar and I’ve asked her other son to send me updates on her dress choice when the date gets closer.
5) I should’ve mentioned that DH and MIL are not close, his choice. I believe they refer to that here as “little contact.” If you ask DH, they’re not close but if you ask her or any of her family, they are super close and a tight-knit loving family. When I met his family, he warned me not to try to have a close relationship with MIL because she was “crazy.” Coming from my own “crazy” family, I brushed it off and decided to try to have a special bond with her. BIL and FIL also gave me the same warning: Do. Not. Befriend. Her. Obviously now I regret not listening to the three of them but here we are deep in her antics and all I can do is tell myself I tried and that I did everything I could’ve done to have the mother-daughter bond I was trying to have.
6) Due to other crazy demands of her and of my own family (stories for another day if anyone’s interested), we’re actually having a tiny courthouse ceremony for just the two of us to be legally married and the reception is the “wedding” she’s referring to. She’s still not over not being there for her son’s actual wedding but it had to be done.
Now for the continued conversation:
JNMIL: It is because my sister already said it would be hard to tell you and I apart in a family wedding photo. I just don’t want to put (DH) in an uncomfortable position.
*doesn’t answer for many many hours while reading reddit advice on how to reply*
JNMIL: I want you to have all the attention you deserve on your big day. I’m looking out for you and don’t want anyone feeling uncomfortable that the mother of the groom and bride look alike.
Me: Hi JNMIL, sorry for the delayed response, I was picking up extra hours at the hospital trying to make up for the current dip in our income. I’m confident our hair color won’t be on anyone’s mind during the reception. I’m proud to come from a family of all redheads and I think it’s great you blend in with us as well! What did you sister say specifically about us matching? If you send me her number I’d love to speak to her to clear things up if you’d like!
JNMIL: You do not need to talk with her because other family members agreed it’s awkward for everyone that we match.
Me: Hair color is such a small aspect of matching someone, our outfits will be completely different and I don’t think it’s awkward for anyone! I’m also happy to speak with these other family members if they have any concerns!
JNMIL: I have had this hair color since I survived chemo in 2013. I am proud to have my red hair because there was a point in my life where I didn’t even know if I was going to be alive for my son’s wedding let alone have hair for it!!
JNMIL responding again before I had a chance to reply: You weren’t there for him during his deployments like we were. You don’t understand how big this day is for all of us now that he’s home safe. You’re marrying his family, not him.
JNMIL responding a third time: I will not be told I cannot have red hair at my son’s wedding.
Me: *rereads texts to make sure I didn’t accidentally say that she couldn’t have red hair*: MIL, I don’t recall ever saying you shouldn’t have red hair at our wedding. Did someone else give you the idea that I want you to dye your hair? I’d love to help you pick out the perfect dress to compliment your red survivor hair that you’re so proud of! I know we both look good in green and blue! 💚💙
JNMIL: It was implied that one of us has to dye it but since your [sic] not budging, you think it should be me and I worked so hard for my hair it’s not fair. You can’t do this to me
Me: The more redheads, the merrier in my opinion! Please don’t let anyone tell you that you should change your hair color and I’ll follow the same advice! Us redheads will stick together and probably outnumber the non redheads at the family tables! DH and I certainly aren’t worried so I wouldn’t spend another minute of your time worrying either
JNMIL: Well that’s easy for you to say when you live far away and choose not to be spend time with me or my family anymore but I have to be here and answer to everyone that is upset we have the same hair color. You don’t understand surviving cancer and being proud of it and your son.
The only logical reply here is “what the fuck are you talking about.” I don’t even know what the argument is about anymore but she’s still very adamant that she is the center of attention. Not putting down any cancer survivor that fought hard for their life, but according to DH, she had a positive biopsy in her breast and they found very very early stage cancer which was treated with one round of chemo/radiation. Apparently she sent out a last will and testament and told everyone she had minimal time left to live after being told by her medical team that they were almost positive she would have a full recovery with no adverse effects. This also reminded me of her suggestion to have a pink theme to honor her and have wedding favors with the pink ribbon on them in her honor.
Yes, I’m taking the “kill her with kindness” route because I don’t want screenshots of nasty messages sent around like she’s done to DH in the past. It’s clear now that everyone was correct about her playing the victim and this is 100% about her needing to be the center of attention. I’m still at a loss for words for a reply but at least I have an entertaining story for DH and you all!
Thanks in advance for any advice on where I should lead this conversation or just general feedback. I appreciate you all.
Edit: newbie question, can you post pictures to the thread? Like can I post the screenshots instead of typing them out? I have more updates but looking back on the messages and typing them here is time consuming
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Second Update (update to the first update)
OOP [deleted all of her posts and comments related to the previous two posts because her story was picked up by other sites and she panicked. She ended up deleting her account entirely.](https://web.archive.org/web/20190117001440/https://www.reddit.com/r/JUSTNOMIL/comments/agodmm/update_to_jnmil_wants_me_to_dye_my_naturally_red/) - by u/skinnygirlsdonteat on January 17, 2019
Sorry to delete everything but the post made the news in the UK and I’m afraid someone will find out now. ☹️
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This post did end up catching the attention of certain "news" sites in both the UK and the US.
Here is the link to the article over at [Daily Mail](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6599629/Redheaded-bride-says-nightmare-mother-law-demanded-dye-hair-wedding.html) - January 16, 2019
And the link to the article over at [Fox News](https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/bride-claims-mother-in-law-wants-her-to-dye-her-hair-before-wedding-so-they-dont-look-alike-im-still-at-a-loss-for-words) - January 18, 2019
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About a week later, the OOP, u/skinnygirlsdonteat, created a new account called u/trulyred (since she had deleted her original account) in order to update r/JUSTNOMIL on what happened at the wedding itself.
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Third Update
[The bitch dyed her hair bright pink!!!!](https://web.archive.org/web/20190125231103/https://www.reddit.com/r/JUSTNOMIL/comments/ajqbvh/the_bitch_dyed_her_hair_bright_pink/) - by u/trulyred January 25, 2019
Hi all. You may remember me from the posts about how my crazy MIL wanted ME to dye (my naturally red hair) for MY wedding so people wouldn't confuse us at the wedding.
First off an update on why I deleted my posts. Apparently my story made the news here in the UK and I didn't want someone I knew to find out. I don't give a fuck now if anyone finds out. I'm so beyond pissed that I hope someone finds out so everyone we know can shame the bitch. So here I am again and this time I'm here to stay.
Onto the live update of what's going on. So this twatbag conceded to the fact that she wasn't going to get her way, especially after I mentioned to her that several other of my family members also have red hair. I asked her if she also expected them to dye their hair as well and to this she got very quiet. She said she'd "figure something out." I thought that this bullshit situation was over, but naturally this JustNo upped her game. The bitch dyed her hair bright pink!!! It looks really bad on her, but she sure as shit stands out now. I'm so irritated! She also bought a super shiny pink dress to match her new hair color. She rubbed it in how "nobody will confuse us now trulyred hehe."
I'm so torn I don't know how to handle this situation. I mean technically I guess I didn't have to dye my hair but she one upped me and indeed did figure out a way to make herself stand out. The maliciousness of this act is what is pissing me off the most. The why she did it. Any advice would be tremendously helpful as to how to handle this. Also if anyone has a nickname for this twat I'd appreciate it very much.
Edit: Gold!!!??? Oh my goodness thank you so much you beautiful internet stranger! You just made my day!
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Well, as it turned out, u/skinnygirlsdonteat had NOT actually returned as u/trulyred to update r/JUSTNOMIL on what happened at the wedding itself. Someone, unrelated to u/skinnygirlsdonteat in any way, created the u/trulyred account just to make a fake update post.
u/skinnygirlsdonteat became aware of the fake update at some point and created a new account called u/Why-Am-Eye-Back in order to contact the r/JUSTNOMIL mods and get the fake update taken down.
After some internal investigation, the mods at r/JUSTNOMIL confirmed that the update from u/trulyred was, in fact, a fake. They made a separate post on r/LetterstoJNMIL with their statement along with information on how they planned to (hopefully) prevent this situation from happening again in the future.
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Fourth Update (MOD RESPONSE made in r/LetterstoJNMIL)
[Follow Up to the Red Hair Dye Story, and Announcement of a New Service Provided by the Mods](https://www.reddit.com/r/LetterstoJNMIL/comments/aldgz6/follow_up_to_the_red_hair_dye_story_and/) - by [deleted] on January 30, 2019
The mod team attempted to contact Reddit admins on behalf of both parties this issue has affected, and Reddit admins got back to us very quickly, though only to say that they can only assist those directly affected by the issue. However, the admins appear to not have gotten back to either user yet. Despite that, we have reached a conclusion that everyone on the team feels appropriate.
We are extremely limited in our scope of authority as mods of a subreddit. We have nowhere near the power or resources that admins do. And also, per our truth policing policy, we cannot and will not just take someone's word on another user without irrefutable proof. The mod team had to do extensive digging in order to find that proof, which took some time to coordinate and execute. We combed archives, caches and all the news sites. Our search resulted in being able to find the original comments on the original Red Hair Dye post. The username matched with the screen capture u/Why-Am-Eye-Back provided, and the exif data backed up that it was a real screen capture. With this proof, we believe u/Why-Am-Eye-Back to be the original OP of the Red Hair Dye story.
We apologize for this taking so much time to verify, and for being unable to do more to proactively deal with this situation as it unfolded. We are very sorry for the harm this has caused OP and their family. Though we did our very best to do what was right, harm still came as a result of the situation, and we regret that. u/Why-Am-Eye-Back, I am sorry. We are sorry.
In light of this situation, since we cannot protect users from content poaching, we are instituting a new, optional, entirely voluntary countermeasure for anyone who feels the need to delete their account. Prior to deleting your account, please modmail us to tell us so, and provide us with a phrase or password, akin to how we teach children to only go with adults who know the family password. This way, if you come back or if your story is stolen, and you can provide us with that password along with your modmail, we will be able to implicitly trust that your new account is owned by the same person who originally owned the account through which the stories were posted. Please visit [the announcement made over on JNMIL](https://www.reddit.com/r/JUSTNOMIL/comments/aldn0v/announcement_new_service_for_users_who_need_to/) for more information.
Thank you all for being here. As always, we welcome criticism and feedback on moderation practices at all times.
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Comments from OOP (the real OOP, u/skinnygirlsdonteat / u/Why-Am-Eye-Back) on the Mod Update post re: her story being stolen by another user:
[Comment 1 from OOP](https://www.reddit.com/r/LetterstoJNMIL/comments/aldgz6/follow_up_to_the_red_hair_dye_story_and/efd5j4p/)
>"I’m literally in tears that this is finally over. I’ve had chest pain since the fabricated update was brought to my attention by the same person who first recommended this forum to me in the first place. Please assume any “update” to this story is very very very false. Thanks for everyone that originally gave me advice on how to deal with my MIL and I’ll use it going forward. Please be careful out there xoxo
[Comment 2 from OOP](https://www.reddit.com/r/LetterstoJNMIL/comments/aldgz6/comment/efd96kv/) (where we find out why u/trulyred made the fake update in the first place)
>I don’t know how to use imgur apparently but the user finally admitted she stole it:
https://imgur.com/a/3i1A9S6
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**Reminder - I am not the original poster (OOP).** | 4,270 | 2022-10-23T22:36:30 | MIL wants DIL to dye her hair so MIL can be the only redhead in DIL's wedding photos (Final Post Revised) | INCONCLUSIVE | fannyrosebottom | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ybv1h7/mil_wants_dil_to_dye_her_hair_so_mil_can_be_the/ | false | false | [
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yc1nsp | I went down another rabbit hole today and this one really got to me. Pets are the best.
**I am not OOP. OOP is** [u/sleeplesserror](https://www.reddit.com/u/sleeplesserror/). This saga ranges across r/dogs, r/IllegallySmolCats, r/aww and r/HappyPuppyHouse. (The latter is their own subreddit detailing their adventures!!!) Sleeplesserror has a TON of pictures of their animals on their account, so if you need a smile go look at some! I tried to include as many as possible while also keeping this coherent.
I also fixed a few spelling errors for readability.
Trigger Warnings: Animal injury, animal depression/ptsd, mention of animal death
Mood Spoilers: >!happy ending and wholesome!<
**Squish the puppy is a traumatized rescue, need help with his trauma (August 23, 2022)**
[Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/comments/wvj1bf/squish_the_puppy_is_a_traumatized_rescue_need/)
Helloon friday last week we found a puppy hit by a car. we drove 50 kms to the vet. He was hit and has a concussion but is now OK.Actually he isn't. he is deeply traumatized. he was abused. He is afraid of humans. He cowers and hides himself. he also has a concussion and can barely walk.He is home with us. We have a bunch of other rescues. They treated him with curiosity. our dogs are all happy rescues. They lack neither food nor love. Our previous puppy rescues were treated nicely by the older dogs. He is number 9.We have 2 adult dogs- Boots and Precious, 2 very large St Bernard Mix puppies of 6 months and 4 smaller pups of various mix. They all get along.He is 2.5 month old. we have one puppy his age and 3 that are a little older.Seeing him so terrified was jarring. He just laid there floppy and in shock.Can someone recommend a way to help him? How do we get a poor scared puppy to feel better?We had him in with the kindest of our puppies last night and I think it helped. He is cowering but he ate and drank a lot of water and pooped( he had been on a low diet to make sure he had no internal wounds).Any advice? Do we put him on with the other puppies like the doctor recommended? he is scared of all humans.Do we keep him indoors and try to give him love?Do we leave him with the puppies to enjoy company? there is food and a big yard for them.
*Comment:*
the problem is that we need to leave the farm this week and will not return until november.
the animals will be looked after but i am trying to understand whether it is a good idea to take him with us.I don't know what he wants. he is sitting outside with the other dogs. He is shy. He may have a slight paralysis of a back paw.He can move slowly for now. He eats, he sleeps, he poops. The other dogs are accepting him.I can only pray.
**2 days after we lost Roy, this** [baby](https://preview.redd.it/dufbrxbkclj91.jpg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a61f46825e676b4d49312fcdb3140665c5f6aab3) **and his dead brother were found under our car. (August 24, 2022)**
[Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/IllegallySmolCats/comments/wwa4gr/2_days_after_we_lost_roy_this_baby_and_his_dead/)
*(Roy was a beloved pet that passed away.)*
*Comments:*
"we are in extremely rural eastern europe. we will do our best. baby is trying to nurse. he seems pretty spirited. Will try to give a bath in a bit and some wet food until the vet pharmacy opens. ur boy Roy was ran over 2 days ago and much as we are overstretched with our animals, I promised I will take in the next stray kitten we see. This one was under our car. Maybe Roy sent him to us because he knows we are good people"
"In the past 5 days we found a puppy hit by a car whom we rescued and who is very traumatized. we lost Roy and now we found this baby.I am... overwhelmed. We are doing our best."
"turns out the kitten decided to lay on top of the traumatized puppy we rescued last week and eat some of his food.he's also helping the puppy feel a bit better since he is sad, weak and scaredSee my profile."
[Update 1:](https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/wwb2j2/this_tiny_void_ended_up_under_our_car_this/) **with** [picture](https://preview.redd.it/ospnttmullj91.jpg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eeabe4e1b5cfb2397a765740c638bab8143271e6) **of Red (the cat) and Fierce chilling (August 24, 2022)**
*Comment:*
He is hungry and vocal. Also sneezy.we have decided on the name Fierce.
[Update 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/wwfp45/kitten_and_puppy_made_their_own_little_family/): **Kitten and puppy made their own little family (August 24, 2022)**
[Picture](https://i.redd.it/kppmglwqzmj91.jpg) of Squish and Fierce snuggling.
*Comment:*
\*"\*The puppy was found hit by a car on Friday and he is traumatized. Kitty was found this morning. Now they are pals."
[Update 3:](https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/comments/wxe0bb/squish_the_traumarized_puppy_who_doesnt_eat/) **Squish Won't Eat (August 25, 2022)**
last friday we found a puppy hurt by a car. we took him to the vet. The vet said he doesn't have internal bleeding but has a hit to the head and may have a concussion. He is also very skinny and looks like roadkill. He had pooped himself.He was at the doctor for 3 days. he is walking, but is scared of humans. Doc thinks he is traumatized. He ate a little, pooped a lot in the first day.He doesn't seem to eat. He is kind of lethargic but he can walk. I gave him some milk with a syringe, he is only 2.5 months old.he threw some of it up but I think he held some in.He drank water today. His pee is orange. I gave him 2 big syringes of milk and a vitamin pill.he seems a bit down, but he is napping with the baby kitten we found yesterday and seems to appreciate the company.
I am desperate. The vet came today gave him a vaccine and some antibiotics. Said he needs to eat, but he isn't.What can I do more?
**Mini** [Update 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/wzrh60/travel_companions/)**: Traveling** [picture](https://i.redd.it/ivwfge2wcfk91.jpg) **(August 28, 2022)**
*Comment:*
We are traveling across Europe with three rescue kittens, a rescue traumatized puppy and Midnight. When we stop we let the kittens out of the boxes to roam then they get back in.
[Update 5:](https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/comments/x0n8ck/squish_is_drinking_water_now_and_eating_baby_food/) **Squish is drinking water now and eating baby food (August 29, 2022)**
So the puppy made it to the netherlands in one piece and he seems... better.He drinks water by himself but doesn't eat by himself. So I just hold him and put baby food in his mouth, which he chews and swallows.It isn't much but he isn't laying flat anymore, he is alert and if he doesn't want something he will let me know.It's just a small update but it is better than laying limp and looking like roadkill.
The vet said as long as he eats, drinks and poops he is OK internally. Just traumatized.
And I have been feeding him like a baby, holding him to my chest and squeezing baby food in his mouth.
He got milk by syringe for three days over the trip, now he has graduated to baby food.
Baby steps
[Update 6:](https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/comments/xax6uh/housebreaking_rescue_puppy_greyhound_mix/) **House Training (September 10, 2022)**
HiThree weeks ago we found a puppy on the rod near our farm in Romania. He was hit, bloody, covered in his own poop.We took him to the vet who said he had a head concussion and was in shock. He also had a slight paresis on the back right leg.He was in shock. We had to return to the Netherlands so we put him in a box and brought him with us.He was not eating. I had to feed him by syringe. Milk first then baby food.And water. Had to clean his poop and vomit.So because he was so weak, we could not even start training him to not poop indoors.He has been better for a few days now. He eats. His paresis is much better, he walks well but it kind of uncoordinated.But now he poops and pees a lot and he has diarrhea.I know you are supposed to housebreak puppies as soon as you bring them in but that was not possible.How can we housebreak him now? He goes outside on a leash, and he eats. He eats the kitten's food and gets along well with them.
[Update 7](https://www.reddit.com/r/bestfriendsphotos/comments/xdil2z/love_is/): **Love Is (September 13, 2022)**
[Picture](https://i.redd.it/zmox0dtmxon91.jpg) of Fierce and Squish curled up together.
[Update 8:](https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/xlzupf/one_month_ago_fierce_the_kitten_saved_squishs/) **one month ago, Fierce the kitten saved Squish's life. Now he nurses on the puppy and they both love it (September 23, 2022)**
[Picture of the two besties](https://i.redd.it/g4m54kwihmp91.jpg)
*Comment:*
\*"\*a month ago, we found Squish on the road. he had been hit by a car, covered in blood and his own poop.He had no internal injuries or broken bones, but he did have a concussion and was in shock. He was exceedingly thin, covered in fleas and traumatized.he barely ate. he just laid there.we got Fierce 2 days after we brought him home from the vet. Fierce just adopted him. Sat on and with him, and made him eat. he was in deep shock.We had to return by car to the Netherlands so we took them with us. Fierce spent the trip - most of it- in the puppy's box. Squish refused to eat or drink, I had to feed him with a syringe through the trip. Fierce just stuck by him, and he eventually snapped out of it.Now Squish is a happy puppy. His weight tripled, he is very playful. Him and Fierce sleep together and play. I think he actually thinks he's a kitten."
[Update 9:](https://www.reddit.com/r/HappyPuppyHouse/comments/xmad5c/squishs_glowup/) **Squish's Glowup (September 23, 2022)**
We found him 4 weeks ago on a road in Romania. He was hit by a car, covered in blood and feces.We went 50 kms to the vet with him. Luskily he had no fractures or internal bleeding. He had a concussion and a paresis on the back right paw.He was very skinny and scared. he refused to eat and drink and we had to feed him with a syringe.Two days after we brought him home, we found Fierce the kitten.Fierce adopted him and snapped him back to life.They travelled across Europe in the same box. Squish refused to eat and drink and had to be fed by syringe. He was pooping himsefl and probably had parvo.And then he snapped out of it
[Here](https://preview.redd.it/h95o3tq3jop91.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=4286a5e700e00f426aaceb4035e09d2892447659) he is now.
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*There are several more pictures of Squish and Fierce on* [*u/sleeplesserror*](https://www.reddit.com/u/sleeplesserror/)*'s page, but I thought here would be a good place to end as both pets are happy and healthy.* | 1,574 | 2022-10-24T04:07:50 | The tale of Squish and Fierce and how they saved each other | CONCLUDED | LucyAriaRose | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/yc1nsp/the_tale_of_squish_and_fierce_and_how_they_saved/ | false | false | [
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yc1p3v | **I am not OP.**
Posted by u/tiredofdoingevrythng
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[**Original**](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/48k7nu/my_23f_so_30m_has_decided_he_doesnt_have_to_pay/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) _- March 2, 2016_
We met when I was 19 and in my sophomore year of college. I didn't have a job, but I was a full time student. When my SO and I started to see each other more I would spend more time at his apartment. I didn't move in, all of my stuff was still in my dorm room and I spent the majority of the day on campus (at least from 8am - 7pm). Even though I couldn't really help out financially with my SO, since he had a job at the time, I helped where I could - buy lunch, coffee, help clean, and I had a monthly stipend I could spend in the university store and I'd use that to help him out with groceries. It wasn't much at the time, but it was all I could do.
I graduated last May but I started working part time when I was 21. In addition to my part time job I'm also helping a professor grade exams and do little jobs for her, and I'm taking a class studying for the GRE.
All of this important because my SO feels that because I wasn't working for the first two years of our relationship that he shouldn't have to pay for anything for awhile. He thinks the financial situation should "balance out." He hasn't had steady work, he'll be a bartender for awhile, then get bored of that. Then he'll work in retail or food for a few months, and go back to bartending. He seems to have a new job every 6-7 months. He's able to find work easily because he's so charismatic, but he'll eventually get bored and will want to do something different.
He no longer pays me half of the rent (we've been living together for a year now). But, not paying rent wasn't enough to balance things out for him, he only buys groceries for us once or twice a month - which is usually milk, beer and steaks. This has been going on for about 4 months now, or about $2000 in rent. I can barely afford this, it's why I took a second job helping an old professor out, she's paying me very well and it's help me makes ends meet.
Not only is he not paying for anything, all the cleaning, cooking, apartment maintenance, driving, planning, date nights, etc all fall on me. This makes me feel like I'm both the girlfriend and the boyfriend, because I do everything. I also feel like his parent because he makes a mess of the apartment (leaving trash on the ground, not cleaning up his spills on the counter, leaving dirty dishes out) and I end up cleaning it up. I don't want to, I usually ask him to clean it up, but I've waited up to 7 days before I relent and can't stand the site of the mess he's made, and then clean it up myself. Example - he spilled a large amount of syrup on the kitchen counter, didn't clean it up, it sat there for about a week. Every day I asked him to clean it up, I even laid out a sponge and some cleaning spray by it. I got sick and tired of it, and cleaned it up myself.
I'll ask him to do simple chores while I'm out at work - like take the garbage out, it's a 2 minute walk to the dumpster in our apartment. He'll agree to do it, when I come home from work it will still be there. I ask him to take it out the next day, I'll come home, still there. I'll ask yet again, he'll get angry and says he's going to do it. This keeps up until the garbage is fucking disgusting, it's leaking and smells bad. I have asthma and garbage fumes can sometimes make me wheeze, so I take out the garbage. There was one time where the garbage pile grew to about 3 bags, it smelled terrible, shit was leaking, it was probably hazard - he didn't take it out, even though he said he would every day, and I eventually had to take it out. I know this sub doesn't like enabling, but I don't think most subscribers take into consideration the horridness of liquids that eek out from a garbage bag. He'll get mad at me for taking out the garbage and claim "but I was just about to do that!!! why didn't you let me take it out??"
Sometimes I think he purposefully does things to make the bills higher than they should be. We've been having weird weather in my region, so it's been going back and forth from cold to warm. He's turning the AC to low temperatures when it's warm, and turning the heat way up when it's cold. Like the AC will be on 64F and fucking freezing when I get home sometimes, or he'll crank the heat up to 74F and it will feel like an inferno in the apartment. He'll also just turn the shower on when he goes to poop because he likes how it feels, the warm steam. I'll ask him, repeatedly, to keep the thermostat at a reasonable temp to save money and to not waste water. He usually responds by saying that the water bill is never that high and he wants to be comfortable temperature wise (which is apparently either arctic or magma).
He'll also take advantage of my kindness. Money is tight right now, but I still want to go outside and try to frugally have fun. Which is possible, there is a chain restaurant within walking distance of our apartment, if I'm feeling rich (which is rare these days), we'll go there for a snack and a beer. I tried planning a date night for Valentine's day to said restaurant. I told him that we can go out, but only if we just stick to an appetizer or an entree under $12, and only have 1 or 2 of the beer special that night. He ended up complaining that it should be more romantic, we should have gone to a nicer place, that we shouldn't have to stick to such a low value venue. I said I was sorry, but I couldn't afford anything nice. He ends up getting an app, the most expensive entree, several top shelf LITs and a dessert. I just had an app and one beer. The check came and it was more than I could afford, I asked him to help out, he gave me about $20 and told me I had to get the rest. I used the little cash I had on me and my card to pay for it all.
Every time I bring up the money issue he always goes back to the point that when we first started to date he paid for almost everything and that it's only fair that he doesn't have to pay for anything now. Is this right? I know he did pay for a lot the first 2 years we were together, but that didn't include him paying for my rent, utilities, groceries, etc.
He's also started to smoke in the bathroom, but denies it. I know he's smoking in there because whenever I take a shower I see beads of tar on the once white walls, which are not starting to yellow. I can see ash in the toilet, trashcan and sink. Oh, it also smells like cigarette smoke in there, and I'm an asthmatic so it's now hard for me to breathe in the bathroom. I've pointed out all the proof I've seen to him, and he has an excuse for it all - he was just emptying out the ashtray from the porch in this trashcan and some of it accidentally got in to the toilet or sink. He claims that the beads of tar I see on the walls are just from cheap paint, and that it's actually the steam from the shower that's making the walls start to yellow. He'll also try to convince me that the bathroom walls have always been painted a light yellow.
The hair that broke the camel's back was our most recent argument. We were talking about our future wedding. Two friends of mine got married a few months ago and we started to talk about how nice their wedding was and how they were able to pay for it. He told me, "you know, the bride's parents traditionally pay for everything." The comment blew me away, I responded with "that may be traditional, but it's not common anymore. My parents can't afford a wedding. Bob & Jane paid for most of their wedding, and their parents chipped in." He got mad at this statement and said his mom isn't going to pay for our wedding, and that the cost should be on my and my parents shoulders to bear.
I don't know what to do, I feel like it's balanced now. He's been living for free, eating for free, using water and electricity for free, hasn't had to drive us anywhere, and he's had my free maid service and chef service for 4 months now. Everything was great before he decided to do this, we rarely fought until he felt the need to not pay for anything. And I know he has a job because I've visited him multiple times while he's working. He'll invite a coworker of his over to our place on occasion as well.
**tl;dr**: My SO feels that because I didn't pay for much the first 2 years of our relationship that he now deserves a break from all financial things (rent, groceries, utilities, etc). In addition to that he doesn't want to clean, cook, drive or plan anything. He doesn't want to pay for dates or even go dutch. Is it right of him to feel the need to "balance" things financially in our relationship? How can I show him that this isn't fair to me and I can't keep affording this lifestyle? whenever I try to explain to him that he needs to pay, he goes back to the excuse of me not paying for anything when we were first together.
**EDIT** Thank you for everyone who responded or sent me a PM. I read everything.
A lot of what everyone has been saying is exactly what I've been thinking in the back of my head. But, I've felt emotionally drained and physically exhausted since all of this has happened, so it's been hard to think clearly. I've come to realize I'm in a shitty situation, and I'm a little scared. Many of the comments below hit close to home and made me realize how fucked up everything is right now.
I'm going to plan an escape, so to speak. I feel that simply saying "we're done" to him won't work. I've already talked to my parents and they've agreed to let me live with them for awhile, this isn't ideal, but it will allow me to save up money. I've spoken to my future ex-SO (I treaded lightly) that since I'm planning on going to grad school I've decided to enroll in a summer class or two before I'm officially accepted (this is the true, the university I plan to attend will allow you to do this), and I'll have to move back in my parents for awhile. He wasn't happy about this, and I could see the gears start to turn in his head.
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[**Update**](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/48t3za/update_my_23f_so_30m_has_decided_he_doesnt_have/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) _- March 4, 2016_
So, things have happened rather rapidly since Tuesday.
I talked to my mom some more about what has been going on, I wasn't too open with my parents about how bad it was. She basically wanted to get me out ASAP after I revealed more to her. Anyway, so here is what has happened so far.
* Apartment - it's in my name, the lease is up in May. I talked to my landlord about the situation a bit, basically they can't force him out because there's no official reported criminal activity. He has 30 days to leave. It would also be more expensive for me to break the lease than to pay out for the next two months. Which really sucks. March's rent has already been paid leaving April and May left. The penalty charge is 3 months rent and they can't do anything else. However, I did choose an option to put my apartment "on market." Which basically means they can start showing my apartment after Dipshit's 30 days are up, so he'll have no choice but to leave after that. If they happen to find someone to take the apartment before May 1, I don't have to pay that month's rent. They did copy all the documents and everything I signed and a note for him about getting out in 30 days. I left that in the apartment for him. Since his name wasn't on anything he didn't need to sign anything or be present.
* Jobs - First job: I talked my manager, she was very understanding and was able to start a transfer to a different store near where my parents live. My parents live an hour away from the apartment, btw. I still have to show up to work in my old town a few more times until the transfer is (chance it may not be accpeted) accepted, but my manager and I were able to work out a light schedule. And there will be at least 3 other people in the store with me during those times I'm scheduled. Second job: I called my old professor who was also super understanding, we had a under the table cash only agreement, so it was easy to end that working relationship. It sucked, but she understood.
* A lot of people mentioned that this was an abusive relationship. I did a lot of research on "signs you're in an abusive relationship," and he checks off a lot of boxes. There were a lot of other red flags I didn't even mention in my last post about how horrible he is. This was a huge eye opener for me, and I realized the level of danger I was in by being near him. Unfortunately the revelation I've had has also caused me to feel incredibly depressed, even more so then I felt before. I'm trying not to blame myself for how horrible things have gotten, but it's really hard. I can't help but think that I shouldn't have gone this far in the relationship and that I've permanently damaged myself. But, that's a discussion for another sub. *sigh*
* As I mentioned earlier my mom wanted me to GTFO of my apartment ASAP. I had to convince her not to drive down and take me away in that moment. Dipshit worked last night and would be out of the apartment after 5pm. My mom, dad and uncle arrived at the apartment at 5:30pm. I told my best friend what was happening (who lives close to me) and she came by the apartment as well. The 5 of us were able to pack up pretty much everything I own and put it in all of our cars. So I'm now home!
* Loose ends -
1) I still have a few GRE classes to attend, but it's only once a week.
2) Hopefully the transfer will be approved for my old job, I'm still scheduled to work a few days for the next two weeks in my old town, but it's extremely light. And as I mentioned, multiple people will be in the store with me, I won't be alone at any point.
3) Anything else I need to discuss with my landlord can be handled over the phone/email. I've signed the appropriate documents. I'll likely have to pay damages after the lease has officially ended.
* Dipshit - He called me late last night after he got off work, and was obviously confused and angry. I refused to tell him where I was, which just pissed him off more. I told him that because he was financially abusing me, as well as emotionally abusing me and scarring me on a regular basis by yelling/punching things/throwing things that I couldn't take it anymore. That I deserved better, that he was a horrible person, that I didn't love him anymore, etc. Well, he stopped being angry and turned on the water works. He apologized profusely, he begged me to come back to him. He said he could change and that he was only acting out because he was depressed and I should give him another chance. He even claimed that he was "just about to tell me that we're financially even now!" What are the odds?? It was the most surreal conversation I've ever had in my life. I felt absolutely nothing for him, his tears didn't upset me, his anger didn't upset me, I was just cold and numb throughout the entire conversation. I felt like I was getting bored just talking to him and wanted the conversation to end asap so I could watch Netflix. I literally started to glaze over other things he was saying, he was going back and forth from being sad to angry, and I was just on the phone like "uh huh, yeah, sure, no.." Eventually he caught on that I stopped paying attention to him. He snapped at me and asked when I was going to stop this bullshit I was pulling. He started to rage about something, I interrupted him and said I didn't want to talk to him anymore, that he was horrible and owes me thousands of dollars, and I never want to se him again. And then I hung up on him just as he about to put on the water works again. He called and texted a lot, I haven't responded. He's been continuing to call me today as well. My next step is to get a new number.
Thanks to everyone who commented in my previous post, or pm'ed me. I wasn't able to get back to everyone, but I did read everything. The next few months are going to rough, but at least I won't be with that asshole anymore.
**tl;dr** Friends and family came to my rescue in an emergency move out last night when Dipshit was at work. I'm safe at home now, but I still have loose ends to tie up with work and the GRE class I'm taking.
**EDIT**
Wow! I didn't expect my post to blow up like this, and thanks to whomever sent me the gold! Reading everyone's replies has helped me realize I made the right choice by leaving him.
It's been an emotional rollercoaster, I've cried, laughed, felt scared, felt confused and angered. I know want to go in to counseling, which I'm planning on doing as soon as I'm able to do so. I've managed to block him on my phone, so I don't think I'll have to change my number after all. I called my apartment this morning to see if they could grab the router and cables from my place and hang on to it until they can be retrieved, they were happy to at least do that for me, so now he doesn't have internet!
I did listen to a few voice mails he left for me in one message, he was calling me by my pet name, and literally talking in cutesy baby voice to me. The next voicemail he was just yelling at me. They've made me laugh but also make me well, afraid, of him. I've taken everyone's advice and I will be extremely careful for the next few months - I have pepper spray, I won't be traveling alone, and I'll be using campus or police escorts when possible. | 12,176 | 2022-10-24T04:09:49 | My (23F) SO (30M) has decided he doesn't have to pay his half of rent anymore, and all of the money he makes is his alone, but the little money I make goes to all of our living expenses. | CONCLUDED | rainingsakuras | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/yc1p3v/my_23f_so_30m_has_decided_he_doesnt_have_to_pay/ | false | false | [
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yc8adn | **I am NOT OP. Original post by u/Rnevermore in r/AmItheAsshole**
Trigger Warning: >!Gambling addiction!<
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[AITA for calling the police on my fiance?](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/y1h40p/aita_for_calling_the_police_on_my_fiance/) - October 11th, 2022
Last night my (35M) Fiance (38F) left in the evening to give a friend's son a ride back to his home. She implied she'd be home before 9. She left at around 7:45.
10:15 rolled around and she still wasn't home. I texted and she apologized to me, saying that her friend's son was actually in the next town over (maybe 30 minutes away) and she was coming home now.
11:45 rolled around and she still hadn't come home, so I called her to no answer. Texted her to no response. I was getting very upset
12.30 rolled around and still no response and no answer to my phone calls. I was extremely angry.
1:30 rolled around and my anger had completely transformed into worry. Not answering my calls and texts not read.
Around 1:45 I called the police. I have always heard that the first 24 hours of someone being missing is the most important, so I didnt want to delay. I asked them to let me know if there had been any traffic accidents involving her car, and the operator told me that they would put out the word and send some cops to check along the route she would travel. I called all the hospitals in the area to check if she has been checked in and I waited outside watching the road for her car for three hours, partially because I didn't want the kids to hear me on the phone with hospitals, and secondly because I was sick with worry.
At 7:00am she came home. She apologized for being out and said she had no excuse. She was driving home and felt tired like she was falling asleep at the wheel, so she pulled over to the side of the road to sleep. When she did that, she found that her brand new phone had stopped working. She says she napped anyway because it was the responsible thing to do, and then came home at 7am to bring the kids to school and get to work on time.
I immediately called the police and told them that she had come home safely and gave them the case number and told them to stop searching, which they did.
My fjance brought the kids to school and left for work. I set out to start cleaning (cleaning destresses me sometimes), and I got a call from a policeman asking where she worked. I told him, and asked why, and I was informed that it was their policy to check on the person's wellness after a missing person is found. I asked them to not go by her work but to give her a call instead. He said he couldn't promise.
My fiance is relatively new to her job. A police officer showed up and asked to speak with her. She is now enraged at me for calling the police and 'sending a cop to her work' and making her look bad. She is saying I overreacted and that she wasn't missing and that I was punishing her for doing the responsible thing and not driving while drowsy. She is saying that she is never going to leave the house again except for work, because she is afraid I'm going to call the cops on her again.
So did I overreact? Should I have waited two days like she suggests?
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**Top Commenter:**
> NTA...but you know she's lying, right?
**OOP:**
> I do suspect that the story isn't truthful, but she doesn't really have a history of lying to me, so I've been trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.
**Commenter:**
> Uh no, her whole story is a big fat lie.
> She told you she would be home by 9, but somehow was wrong about where the kid lived? Did she not know the town beforehand? Did she just start driving 30 mins and then the kid goes “oh no wait, I actually live in XYZ, not XXX!” That part of the story doesn’t even make any sense.
> So she ended up changing the time
> Then she “got tired” and pulled over and napped on the side of the road? You do realize that if police were looking for her on roads where she claimed she would be, and she was napping in her car on said road, they would have found her, right?
> and then her NEW phone just happened to not be working? Despite the fact that that simply does not happen, and even if it wasn’t working PROPERLY, she still could have called 911
> That’s not even mentioning the fact that I don’t know a single woman, myself included, who would pull over on the side of the road and sleep IN HER CAR WITH NO PHONE.
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[Is this a break up?](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/y2onrf/is_this_a_break_up/) - October 12th, 2022
If you were in a fight with your SO, and they said the following words...
"I'm not longer doing this. Do us both a favour and lose my number" "I'm not fucking speaking to you again. You are officially deleted from my phone."
Do those words trigger break-up protocol?
EDIT: Interesting. The topic appears to be contentious than I expected. I thought it was pretty black and white, but I suppose that's the point of this subreddit.
EDIT2: I would ask that we keep this question in a vacuum, isolated from my recent bombastic posting history. Thank you
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[UPDATE: AITA for calling the police on my fiance?](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/y4ego9/update_aita_for_calling_the_police_on_my_fiance/) - October 14th, 2022
First of all, thank you to those of you who offered kind words and solid advice. This update is likely to disappoint some of you, as it does me.
My fiance and I have been fighting solidly since before I posted my last thread. It's been exhausting. I called her out on her obvious lie and she fumed at how awful I was for calling her a liar. From then on it was as if she was falling down a smooth well, desperately clawing and grabbing at anything she could to blame me for as she went deeper and deeper. I'm not a perfect man, but in this particular situation, I was an angel, so she had nothing to grab on to.
I did a lot of soul searching, and I made a call that most of you will hate. I decided to bury the hatchet. I love her very very dearly. I had no proof of a lie, and I wasn't too concerned about what she was REALLY up to anyway. Our relationship is open, so even if she fucked around, I didn't care much.
She still fought with me though. The fight continued to the point where she 'broke up with me' (but not really), which was a common tactic she had used before. I called her on it and she fought with me still. I asked for space for a night so I could sleep off the exhaustion and she got upset and told me I was neglectful and selfish for not going to her and making up in person.
I am stupid. I am aware of it. Even through all of this, I was apparently able to believe that what she said in emotion wasn't really her talking.
Today I was having lunch. Money has been tight lately, for some reason (wierd….), so I flipped through my wallet to find my credit card, which was missing.
Well you see where this goes. She had stolen it. She cited our desire to join lives together and merge finances and that when I lent her my wallet once, she took it so she wouldn't have to bother me by asking again. This credit card is mine, under my name and for emergencies only.
She was using it for the last month and a half. While she has been decent enough to pay back some of it, there was still a $1500 balance on it that hasn't been paid. She says that it's here just as much as mine and resents me calling her a thief. A lot of the uses were spent at ATMs for cash withdrawals and some interesting ones at… The Casino.
Those of you who guessed gambling were probably right on the money.
At that point, I admit I lost it. I am a very calm person, but there was only so much denial of reality that I could take. It's still blurry, but I said a lot of horrible things to her and am in the process of evicting her from my life. I am cancelling everything that is in my name that she is a part of (including the new phone/line), cancelling her car insurance and reclaiming my car that I gave her (and she has trashed).
Apparently I can handle lies, cheating and secrets, but who knew theft was my line? Learning experience.
Now thinking back, I can identify lots of sketchy shit that my love-goggles blinded me to… but there's a pretty strict character limit…
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ycf4yq | *I am not the OP of this post. This post has been copied and pasted into this subreddit for the purposes of curating the best Reddit updates in one subreddit. You can find the link to the OP below.*
*You can find [the last time this story was posted in this sub here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/s73avu/repost_aita_for_raining_on_my_cousins_parade/).*
Mood spoiler: >!Nothing earth shattering. Some mild childhood bullying that the target is too young to understand, but all's well that ends well.!<
[**ORIGINAL POST**](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/btred7/aita_for_raining_on_my_cousins_parade_regarding/) from /r/AmITheAsshole, posted May 27, 2019 by /u/LightningStr
My cousin Stephanie and I are really more friends than relatives. An important note is that she's not really online much, so can be out of the loop on certain memes and jokes in internet culture, and tbh, doesn't really understand the concept of viral internet references or how they work.
Stephanie is pregnant and just found out it's going to be a girl. About a week ago, she told a gathering of her best girlfriends that she's going to name her daughter Karen. The room instantly went cold, but after an awkward silence, everyone else politely said it was lovely. I couldn't bring myself to respond at all. Later in the evening, when Stephanie was out of the room, everyone was immediately like, "OMG, that poor kid," and "why would she pick Karen of all names?!" I was uncomfortable with this conversation, given that everyone had been so positive about the name to her face.
I thought more about it over the next couple of days, and just felt really weird about the whole thing. The name is really loaded, to the point it could be detrimental to the baby, and Stephanie had no idea of the connotations to make an informed decision.
So a couple of days later, I tentatively brought it up. I told her I was so excited for the baby, and just wanted her to have all available information when picking a name. I then started to explain that Karen has some negative connotations and has become sort of an internet joke to describe a specific kind of entitled middle aged woman. Stephanie instantly was furious and started talking over me, saying, "why are you saying this?! This is so mean!!" I was really surprised by her reaction (it felt very, very out of character), so I immediately stopped and said, "I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I just wanted to tell you something I thought you might not know."
She replied, "That's the name I picked for my daughter. And you think I picked it as some kind of joke?! I don't understand why you'd say something so hurtful." When she said that, I felt like it signaled that she didn't really understand what I was trying to tell her, so after agonizing for a second about whether to press the issue even though she was so angry, I felt like in for a penny, in for a pound, and since she was already mad, I wanted her to at least understand what I was trying to explain to her. I googled "Karen know your meme" on my phone and tried to show her the screen of results while saying, "look, I'm just saying that there's more meaning to the name than you may realize."
She stood up, pushed my phone away, and shouted, "Wow!!" She then stormed out of my home and drove away. My aunt and mom have been berating me all week, because Stephanie told them that I made fun of her baby name. Stephanie has not spoken to me or responded to my texts since.
I can take a hint, and I'm not going to broach a topic again that caused so much distress, but I keep going back and forth on whether I was TA here by bringing it up in the first place.
*Note: In the original post, OOP was overwhelmingly given a YTA judgment in response to this post.*
Edit: Thanks, everyone! I have been properly schooled, and I accept my judgement that I was TA here. Stephanie and I have a history of being extremely open and honest with each other (I was the maid of honor in her wedding, which we planned on being the case from a young age, and we always joked as teenagers that part of my duties would include talking her out of the marriage if the groom she picked sucked), and so maybe I was too flippant with approaching this topic due to our history, and was unempathetic in underestimating how much she was already invested in the name she chose for her future daughter. I admit I'm a bit frustrated that Stephanie still doesn't understand what I was trying to tell her (she *still* thinks I was making some kind of weird, cruel joke accusing *her* of picking the name as a joke), but I have messaged her a sincere apology that she accepted, and I will never speak of this again, to Stephanie or Baby Karen. I'll also stand up for Stephanie if her other friends shit talk the name around me again. If they're not willing to voice their thoughts to Stephanie directly, they need to not say the kinds of things they were saying behind her back.
Edit 2: One more thing: I definitely was not trying to tell Stephanie to not name her daughter Karen. I just wanted her to make the decision either way knowing the connotations, since I'd want someone to do the same for me if I picked a baby name with cultural baggage I wasn't aware of. I realize now I handled it poorly and was hurtful to Stephanie in the process, but I just wanted to be clear that I wasn't actively trying to talk her out of the name. I just didn't want her to be blindsided if it came up later.
**Additional context from OOP's comments:**
Stephanie and her husband have a deal on baby names where she picks girl baby names, he picks boy baby names, and they each have unlimited veto power for the other person's choices. He's on board with Karen AFAIK. We're all the same age (late 20s) but neither of them spends time online or is even particularly tech savvy.
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**[UPDATE one year later](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/ha6c24/update_aita_for_raining_on_my_cousins_parade/)** (posted June 16, 2020)
My post last summer wasn't the most exciting or dramatic on AITA, but I wanted to provide an update if anyone is interested.
Baby Karen was born healthy and happy back in October. She's an absolute sweetheart of a baby, and I'm totally in love with her. Between March and May, I didn't get to see her at all in person, but I was doing regular FaceTime/House Party calls with Stephanie and Karen, and over the last few weeks, I've been going over to Stephanie's house to sit in her backyard and chat with Stephanie/coo at Karen from a lengthy distance.
I have two reasons for updating. First, I've realized since Karen's birth that her name has taken on new meaning to me. When I'm with her, Karen just means her, and I don't think about the other connotations. In other words, you guys were right!
That said, though, my second reason for updating is that Stephanie got back into her years-unused Facebook at the beginning of the pandemic to keep in touch with people. She's been on it pretty regularly lately for the first time in years (historically, she's not really been into social media). Most people in our area/social circle have been posting really heavily about BLM and the protests happening right now, as well as racial justice issues more generally. As a result, Stephanie has now come into contact with a deluge of Karen memes for the first time, and found them confusing and horrifying, especially the use of "Karen" as shorthand for a racist. I've basically just declined to talk about it with Stephanie, because it went so poorly last time, but both my mother and her mother have hounded me about it because it's upsetting to Stephanie, and said things like, "Is this what you were talking about before? Why didn't you say so? Why didn't you explain it better?! You should have told Stephanie!!"
And Jesus wept!! You really can't win.
Thanks again for all your feedback on my last post! It was very helpful in giving me some Zen about the situation.
Edit: Wow, I've been super overwhelmed by the flood of very kind, heartfelt PMs (and just one or two not so kind ones) as well as the comments on my other post. Thank you, everyone! It continually amazes me how many nice and empathetic people frequent a sub devoted to assholes.
**Additional comments from OOP for context:**
*In response to someone criticizing Stephanie:*
To be fair, Stephanie has been cool about it. First, she saw a bunch of posts about "the Central Park Karen" when that white lady was harassing the black birdwatcher in the park, and came to me asking me to explain why everyone was calling the woman Karen when her name was Amy. (Since she's gotten back on Facebook, she often asks me to be like her internet culture "interpreter."). I immediately told her, "Sorry, I'm not having a conversation with you about this, because we had a major conflict over it last year, and I'm not getting into it with you." I think that was the first time she started to understand what I'd been telling her last year. And in fairness to her, she didn't bring it up with me again after that.
As for my mom and aunt, they're kind of generally ridiculous. They tend to be extremely reactive to whatever is going on precisely at that moment, and if someone in the family is upset, they get overinvolved trying to "fix" it. Stephanie has been venting to her mom about this (not about me, just how upsetting the memes are), and she and my mom have just been doing their normal thing of blowing it out of proportion, and now making it my fault somehow. I love my mom and aunt dearly, but they're not to be reasoned with.
*In response to another criticism of Stephanie:*
Honestly, with my mom and aunt, it's easier to just wait for them to move on to the next shiny thing. 😁
I don't blame Stephanie at all. She's just upset and confused, but hasn't made it my problem at all. My aunt and mom just have a flair for the dramatic.
*In response to someone saying they still thought OOP was TA because they only brought up concerns with the name for selfish reasons:*
I probably wasn't clear about this in my original post, and I think it's probably because that's the part I cut down when I went way over the word limit on that first post, but when I described feeling weird and uncomfortable over the couple of days I took to ruminate after Stephanie's announcement, the weirdness and discomfort was mostly a response to what happened with our friend group rather than just my own feelings about the name. I felt super uncomfortable being in the room while our friends shit-talked Stephanie's name choice after praising it to her face. I didn't have the presence of mind in the moment to call them out before the moment was passed, and I sat with that guilt for a couple of days. I didn't want to tell Stephanie what they said, because it would be tattle-y of me, and I also didn't want to cause conflict within the friend group or upset Stephanie. So raising the topic on my own seemed like a good compromise at the time. I did wrestle internally with how to handle it, and clearly I missed the mark.
*In response to the comment: "Do you understand that there is a massive difference in being upset with your friends for their response, and approaching Stephanie because you say you want her to be fully informed of her name choice? These are two different things that you're conflating.":*
No, to be clear, I didn't raise the conversation with Stephanie in lieu of scolding our friends; I brought it up because I thought they owed it to her to raise those points to her face if they were going to say them at all. Ultimately, I thought Stephanie was owed the knowledge of those connotations, whatever she chose to do with that knowledge.
Also, I don't know how to explain the context of our relationship, but Stephanie and I have a lifetime of shared radical honesty with one another, from the inconsequential (telling each other when outfits are unflattering) to the difficult (when she gave me a come-to-Jesus talk years ago about how someone I considered a close friend was super shitty to me and that I should end the friendship). Based on our extreme closeness and shared history, this conversation felt like the right move at the time, even though it ultimately backfired.
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[**UPDATE two years on**](https://www.reddit.com/user/LightningStr/comments/y3zmrx/update_on_baby_karen_if_anyone_is_still_following/) (posted October 14, 2022)
Hi all, I've gotten a few PMs over the last couple years asking for updates, and since we just celebrated Karen's third birthday, I wanted to circle back to anyone following this story.
First of all, Baby Karen (not so much a baby anymore!) is doing amazingly on her developmental milestones! She's a very bright child, sharp as the sharpest tack, and extremely tuned into her environment. Some of what she says is already *fully in complete sentences*, which just makes me want to cry when I hear it, because it seems like Stephanie was giving birth just yesterday. Karen loves books already, and will intently study the pictures in them for huge stretches of time and claim to be "reading." And you would not believe the uncomfortably incisive questions she's already asking. I am fully convinced this child is going to grow up to be an actual genius.
Regarding the name: unfortunately, when Karen started daycare earlier this year, she started getting grief for her name pretty quickly from the older kids. The daycare she attends mixes the ages together at a couple of different points throughout the day, and while there fortunately wasn't much direct bullying, two of the age-5s must have heard and internalized the derogatory connotations of the name Karen at home. As a result, they found her name absolutely hysterical, and they kind of spread the idea to the other kids that there was something funny/wrong about her name. Karen was too little to understand what was happening, but found the other kids' behavior toward her generally upsetting. The daycare staff made every effort to shut it down, and let Stephanie and her husband know right away. After about a month of this, where the daycare wasn't having much success putting the kibosh on this behavior, and the kids weren't dropping it, Stephanie and her husband made the decision that Karen would be going by "Karrie" from now on, which was already an established nickname that a lot of family and friends were already using, and that Karen already recognized as referring to herself.
Stephanie and I never really fully revisited what happened during her pregnancy, but when she was telling me about what was happening in daycare, she apologized to me. I immediately felt terrible and reassured her there was no reason to apologize, emotions are complicated when you're pregnant, and that I thought having Karen go by Karrie was a great solution. (Though changing what you're used to calling someone is fucking *hard*, I've found, and I'm still directly addressing her on manual mode, every single time.)
A lot of the responses I got to my last post were gleeful and leaned into the schadenfreude of the situation, and I have to say those responses really bummed me out. I would much, much rather live in a world where I was wrong about the impact Karen's name would have on her. I cannot emphasize enough what a sweet-dispositioned, smart, curious, loving little girl Karrie is, and how much she deserves every good thing in life.
Also: a lot of people didn't like Stephanie in my last post, but I need you to understand that this is a tiny snapshot of a very emotionally high-strung time in her life, and overall, Stephanie is a wonderful lifelong friend. She has gotten me through so many personal crises over the years, and she will never fail to show up for the people she cares about. Being pregnant and having a strong emotional attachment to the name you've picked out for your daughter is completely understandable, and her pregnancy was pretty rough on her moods. (She once wept uncontrollably at a cat food commercial when she was about seven months pregnant.) I also think my approach for trying to explain the name issue those years ago was very clumsy, and I could have done a better job of bringing it up. That said, with the distance of time, I am really glad I did broach the topic. I feel like I owed Stephanie that information, and I can feel good about giving it to her. If I'd chosen not to bring it up at the time, I think I'd have a lot of regrets now. The only thing I'd change now, looking back, is that I would try to bring it up more gently somehow with Stephanie so I could have had the chance to explain.
In summary: all is well! We've run into a little bump in the road with other kids' reactions to Karrie's name, but in some ways, it's better to get this out of the way now, when Karrie doesn't really understand what's happening, than have this happen in kindergarten or elementary school down the road, when full-on bullying could be a risk. She's adjusting really well to going by her nickname full-time, and Stephanie and her husband are planning on enrolling her with "Karrie" as her preferred name in all future schooling. And since schools around here go by preferred name rather than legal name in things like classroom roll-calls, it's possible she can get through K-12 without it ever really being widely known among her peers that her legal name is Karen. (And I really hope this common usage of the name Karen dies down in the next few years!)
[**A comment defending Stephanie in response to someone commenting that she's a bad friend to OOP**:](https://www.reddit.com/user/LightningStr/comments/y3zmrx/update_on_baby_karen_if_anyone_is_still_following/itv2780/)
Stephanie is genuinely a great friend and a good person! She once dropped everything and drove 300 miles because I had just been in a (relatively minor) car accident in a city I lived all alone in as a young adult. She once gifted me $1500, no questions asked, and insisted I never even think about paying it back, when I needed to get out of a really bad cohabiting situation while broke. When we were teenagers and the cool boy she had a massive crush on made fun of me for something I was extremely sensitive about, instead of keeping quiet, she blew her top, stuck up for me and told him off, then led me away to comfort me away from him. She is loyal and kind and has incredible character. This post is such a tiny, tiny snapshot of who she is as a person.
When I raised my concerns, Stephanie was emotional, very pregnant, and somewhat sleep deprived. Her pregnancy was rough on her body, and on top of hormones, I think she was just genuinely confused by what I was trying to tell her. | 15,074 | 2022-10-24T16:05:50 | "AITA for raining on my cousin's parade regarding the name she picked out for her baby?" NEW UPDATE two years later. | NEW UPDATE | Father-Son-HolyToast | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ycf4yq/aita_for_raining_on_my_cousins_parade_regarding/ | false | false | [
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ycfv4s | I am not the OP. The OP is u/MiaMeepMeep in r/leopardgeckos.
Mood Spoiler: >!happy!<
Content warnings: >!sick pet!<
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/d0xjs9/gecko_found_in_kitchen_uk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Gecko found in kitchen!!! [UK]
Hi all,
I've joined today, as my partner and I have found ourselves to be looking after a gecko...
This morning, on video chat to my sister, i felt something brush up against my foot. Freaking out, i realised it was a gecko.
The previous tenants of the property we are living in owned tons of Geckos, Lizards & Snakes. But they moved out in December last year... So finding this gecko in our kitchen put us into a panic - it must have lived under the fridge this entire time!!! Bare in mind, we are in the UK, so it has been freezing the last week or so, and considering he may have been hiding around our house for 9 months, he's doing SO well!
We took the little one to a rescue reptile specialist, who said he has a slim chance of survival, but we have to get it in the right environment, and see if he will start eating some food. So far, he has eaten 1 Wax Worm, and after some very generous kit from the rescue guy, he is in a vivarium, with a heat mat etc.
If anyone has any tips for us to help this guy make it, it would be so appreciated.
As the Gecko is SO malnourished, we don't know what gender it is, but we are going with it being a boy, and so far, we have named him Wilson.
This is how he looked when I found him in the kitchen - he had clearly not shed properly over this time:
https://imgur.com/IL2B7R8
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/d1vei1/wilson_48_hours_later_its_not_looking_good/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Wilson - 48 hours later, its not looking good...
It's really not looking good, we've had a cry as we think this is his last night with us. Hes lost more weight, if that was even possible. His tail is thinner than the first pictures we took. Last night, he was energetic, and happily took critical care formula, after rejecting everything we offered him that moved. And we were ecstatic. Today, he hardly moved at all from one spot. Tonight, my partner picked him up to give him some feed, and he didn't fight back. He reluctantly licked up the ccf, and then didn't have the energy to get off his hand. I dont think his digestive system has kicked in. Although we knew that this was a big possibility, it's still heartbreaking nonetheless. I wish we had found him sooner.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/d2d1zt/wilson_72_hours_later/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Wilson 72 hours later
Sorry guys, it's such a rollercoaster at the moment that I'm trying to document it, but also share good news and get advice all at the same time...
So. Last night was tough. And a big fat rollercoaster in itself. We cried a lot, and thought Wilson (who by the way we are potentially renaming to Pea) was on his way out to reptile heaven. For some last ditch efforts, we sprayed the tank for some moisture, gently spraying him too (hygrometer was on the way), and lo and behold; Suddenly sluggish and sad Wilson(Pea) became spritely and started running around... Doing some more research, we decided to give him a warm soak, and although slightly reluctant at first, he laid down and took in the warm water. We left him to chill after that, with all limbs crossed that he would make it another night... Morning came, and still here, he was moving between hides, and seemed quite relaxed. 9 hours later, I'm back home from work, and my partner had some fight back when trying to hold him to syringe him his ccf, and apparently got a hiss (?) from him... Now he going between hides again and seems pretty chill again... sometimes looks scared if we walk past, becoming more aware maybe? He did what we think MIGHT be a poo, but it's very running and cream/white looking so we dont know if he regurgitated or pooped but we will have to spot if he does it again as we aren't sure. We will be taking him to a vet this week for sure to be checked for parasites and anything else he may have going on..
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/d32x1g/wilson_pea_4_days_later/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: My 4 day update...
His energy is getting up and although we've noticed he is sleeping during the night, and buzzing in the day, hes active; wandering the tank, hes been moving between hides. All positive things. I've booked him in for a vet appointment for friday evening (uk) so we are hoping for some positive things and a path to head in the right direction. We keep saying that he hasn't put any weight on yet but we forget it's only been 4 days... Last night, he wasnt interested in worms again, so we continued with ccf which he GULPED down, and thankfully he seems to be getting a bit more used to our presence.
The best news is though, this morning, my other half before work offered him a worm as he has done every morning so far, and although he struggled to grab it, lunging all over the place, eventually HE DID IT. HE ATE A MEALWORM ON HIS OWN. 😭🙌
Again... we know its early days, but any progress is progress right!!!
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/d3cr7l/wilson_pea_day_5_substrate_changing_tomorrow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Wilson [Pea] Day 5 ((SUBSTRATE CHANGING TOMORROW))
So, day 5 post.
As mentioned in the title, the substrate was wrongly suggested to us to begin with, although it is play sand ("safer"), we have some Arcadia Earth mix coming tomorrow, after I had ordered the Exo Terra Sand mat, which arrived with TONS of loose sand.
As you can see, we tried the cup trick to get his attention, and after the mealworm he ate this morning, we thought we should give them a try.
I gutloaded them a bit today with some carrot, and we coated them in the cup with Nutrobal to up his amount of calcium and D3.
It warmed our hearts so much to see him to go for the worms on his own. After 3, he scared himself by having one wiggle over his foot, so hid away. We tried to get him to have some CCF as well, but considering all in all he went from eating no worms or solids at all, to eating 4 in 1 day is a big achievement.
We will give him an offering of some food tomorrow morning before work, and then we have vets at 6, so fingers crossed!!
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/d4m6gr/wilson_now_known_as_pea_update_1_week_1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Wilson (Now known as Pea) Update - 1 WEEK [+1]
Very sorry that I didn't post yesterday, it was family time, and although Pea was attended to, I didn't have time to even look at my phone!
So. 1 week on from finding little Pea in my kitchen, she has made masses of progress. Monday was definitely our worst day, where we thought she wouldn't even make through the night, but everything is now falling into place. She is eating mealworms and/or wax worms every day, either from a cup or from tongs. She now approaches us if we put a hand in the viv, and she is SO energetic. Our biggest worry is that her digestive wouldn't kick back in fully, but this morning we found a semi solid poo from her, which is amazing. Who ever thought I'd celebrate poo...
We've got her in bio substrate, and yes, lots of people said that because shes sick, we should have use paper towels, but because she has had the life she had up to when we found her, I want her to feel like she is settling into her forever home. And I do not want her to be forever on paper towels. We can still monitor Pea well, as we have been, and now she can start to completely settle without us moving her around etc.
The vet recommended daily soaks, so we are going to do that, and keep providing her nutrients and supplements with her meal worms every day.
Honestly, this week has been VERY tough, with a huge rollercoaster of emotions. Although there could still be issues further down the line, I believe we are through the worst of it, and Pea is genuinely on a road to recovery.
Thank you to everyone who has been messaging and posting high spirits, hopes and prayers. It's been helpful and uplifting. I'll continue to do less regular updates/changes.
Side note : it was only friday we found out he was actually a she, and I'm still not used to it!!! I've just had to regender the whole post 😂
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/d88hgh/pea_wilson_having_a_peek_expecting_noms_noms_were/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Pea [Wilson] having a peek, expecting noms. Noms were provided.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/d929cr/pea_wilson_tail_getting_chunkier/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Pea [Wilson]- tail getting chunkier!
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/d95n03/a_better_comparison_of_pea_wilson/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: A better comparison of Pea [Wilson]
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/dacf4w/pea_wilson_putting_some_decent_weight_on_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Pea [Wilson] putting some decent weight on! and getting used to me being around her!
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/dbz88v/10_days_later_another_shed_peawilson/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: 10 days later, another shed!!! (Pea[Wilson])
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/dcvh7x/peas_got_her_space_suit_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Pea got her spacesuit on!
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/dga7sv/pea_wilson_still_going_still_growing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Pea [Wilson] still going, still growing
Someone on my older post reminded me that I hadn't actually posted any pics or updates really for a while, so here's one. Shes eating about 8 mealies a day now, and some days she seems to get bored of them, so I am still considering moving onto Dubia roaches or something even though I'm still a bit freaked by the worms... With my partner, she is having very chill days, where he will lay his hand in the tank and she will scuttle over and jump on board for 10 mins or so. With me, shes much more interested in my hair... she will follow my hair like its food, ignoring my hand, and then get bored and bugger off. I have had one instance which was cute, where I was talking to her, with her watching me, and I swooshed my hair out of my face, and she did the hunting tail flick thing. She didn't go for me, but I was proud of her in a way to be doing "normal things" if you know what I mean. We will be upgrading her tank VERY soon, as we think she might be getting bored. When shes active which isnt often, she does full loops of the tank, climbing everything she physically can twice or so, and then hiding again... Anyway, shes doing well, enjoying warm soaks, eating calcium and supplements with food, pooping. All pretty good. Ref the belly question I had before, I was worried because it looked big, I'm now thinking her arm muscles are still so tiny that she doesn't hold herself upright much other than when she walks, so it hands lower... dont think its anything to worry about. :)
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/di331w/pea_wilson_back_in_her_space_suit_again/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Pea [Wilson] back in her spacesuit AGAIN?!
So, I'm pretty sure my last space suit post (Pea getting ready to shed) was only on the 3rd October. I come to see her this morning and there she is, all suited up AGAIN!!! SURELY 12 days is a very short amount of time between sheds?!
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/dikyke/pea_wilson_third_shed_not_good_info_in_comments/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Pea [Wilson] third shed- NOT GOOD, info in comments
So I've woken up this morning to Pea having partially completed her latest shed. With exception to on her feet, the usual and across her face. Now when I say across her face, I mean pulling INTO her eyes, making her eyes sink in completely, and her eyelids double in size... I used a cotton bud to loosen some of the skin, and managed to get a piece loose, to which I got hold of, and she tugged herself away, relieving the issues. However, when she tugged away, a MASSIVE amount came out of her mouth, like she had been eating the skin but pulling it tighter as she did. I went over her skin again very gently with the cotton bud to give her some moisture, and slowly her eyes seemed to come back out. One (not in the picture) still looks swollen but the eye itself doesn't look damaged or infected. I will note, she was NOT happy with me after this, idk if it was because of the skin help, cotton buds or her eyes adjusting, but her tail flicked a little, and I knew at that point, she needed to sleep off some rage... This is her third shed with us, and if you've seen my posts before, she space suits, so the last bits of skin she sheds are her face. How can I make this easier for her? We give her warm soaks on the days leading up to her shed, and the days after too, to make sure that any left over skin comes off more easily. Are there any supplements that we can give her (beyond 1 weekly nutrobal, and daily calcium)? I would just like to help her in some way. She always suffers with skin left on her face, and for those who have been following my posts since we found her (or she found us(?)), its clear it's always been a problem for her on her face, by how much stuck shed she had from over the 9 months in my kitchen... Any hints, tips etc would be AMAZING!
Also, I will likely be doing a few posts today as we have a whole new setup coming for her. I promised that if she made it through the first month getting better and thicker, that I would give her the best possible life I could, a life of luxury. And luxury is arriving this afternoon...
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/dkg8oc/pea_wilson_update/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Pea [Wilson] update
Apologies to everyone expecting the tank update, apparently when the website told me it was in stock, they lied. So it should be delivered monday evening (uk) , so watch this space!!
Feeding her today, I realised that she has now got spots on her back, which must have appeared after her last shed... doesn't that mean her morph isnt what people thought it was? Before food, she, for the first time(with me) climbed up onto my hands and arm for a short time... shes always getting onto my partners hand, but not mine, so this was a mini accomplishment for me.
Final note, I'm aware she has stuck shed on her eyelid. Trying to get it off with a cotton bud has been mega hard, and her eye is still slightly swollen, but she seems okay with it, and no sign of infection, so im just gonna keep trying with the qtips and hope for the best.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/dl5of0/pea_wilson_tank_upgrade_link_in_comments/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Pea [Wilson] tank upgrade
Right, so, upgrade is here. Woobewoooo!!
http://imgur.com/gallery/peOYRu0
Only a small upgrade really, cause she is so tiny but genuinely I dont think she is going to get much longer, after the malnutrition.
Pea is now in a 60cm x 45cm x 45cm Exo terra terrarium (MEDIUM WIDE). We got her some new faux leaves, more driftwood to climb as she seems to love climbing. Etc
We've put a canopy up for her with 1 natural bulb and 1 uvb100 bulb, both only used in the day.
To advance her heat situ, we've added the deep heat projector by arcadia into the tank with a dimmer thermostat, which also enables us to set auto temps for day and night cycles. And the pre setup worried us because inside her hide wasnt getting up to temps anywhere near what we wanted them to be, so we added the heat mat under the tank for her hot hide, making sure that she gets her heat in her safe place.
We have had some worries since putting her in there though. My bf, the worry wort, is concerned that the uvb is going to burn her. We have put in 1 uvb100 exo terra compact bulb, (only for daytime). I've been informed elsewhere that this bulb is fine, due to distance and strength.
Before anyone says anything, I KNOW that she doesn't NEED a bulb, and d3 supplements do fine, but with the deep heat projector replicating natural heat, I like the idea of her getting d3 naturally as well.
Our other worry is that she just spent the last hour wondering around the tank, licking everything, climbing up everything. The climbing is absolutely fine as she loves to do it, but I've never seen her out and about as much as she has been since moving her.
Is that a good thing or bad thing?
Note. Yes loose substrate, it's been magic for her since we started using it, its arcadia earth mix arid.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/dny2tf/pea_wilson_when_the_attempt_at_hiding_their/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Pea [Wilson]- When the attempt at hiding their reflection turns into a scary movie moment
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/dslnka/pea_wilson_2_month_update_one_day_early_kitchen/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Pea [Wilson] 2 month update (one day early) - Kitchen Gecko
Here it is - one day early (not available to post tomorrow) - it marks 2 months since our little Princess Pea appeared from out under our fridge/freezer. It has been ONE HELL of a journey, that probably isnt entirely over until she gets up too a "normal" adult geck size, or at least as close as she can get to this after her malnutrition. We've had many, many tears; some of absolute fear for her recovery, and some of pure happiness over how far shes come. It feels like yesterday when my partner and I would come home early from work after being anxious that she would have passed away while we weren't there. We still celebrate the little victories, her eating a good meal, each good shed, which are getting better and better each time. Even celebrating when she has an adventurous day, and sits on the sofa with us in the evening. I cannot express the love we have for this little gecko. She is our world, Princess Pea 👑🦎
Also, look at her cute little stubby toes. There was nothing we could have done to have saved her toes, but they haven't stopped her from climbing everything and anything!!!
Last note, I still dont have a dingdong clue on her morph 🧐
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/dwnk89/peas_wilson_first_ever_unaided_successful_shed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Peas [Wilson] first ever unaided, successful shed! She actually used her moist hide for the first time, and now my yellow orange baby is back. I'll post more pics when shes over her after-shed strop
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/dyqohh/pea_wilson_in_all_her_post_shed_colourful_glory/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Pea [Wilson] - in all her post shed colourful glory
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/e66ei2/pea_wilson_3_months_3_days_turning_into_a_tiny/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Pea [Wilson] - 3 months (- 3 days) - turning into a tiny chunk
Princess Pea 👑 Despite her journey, our Pea is still growing, still thriving. On a dubia roach diet (Peas choice), we are still feeding daily, but will start to slow down once her weight is at a suitable amount. I'll continue to do a monthly update, but I doubt there will be big changes. I'm unbelievably proud of how hard she fought through the beginning, and how she is still pushing through now. I'll likely take her to the vets just for a check up soon, just to ensure everything is going great. I personally dont think she will ever gain weight on the end of her tail, and it will always have kinks in it following her malnutrition but we will just have to see how it changes. Thanks again to everyone who has helped me along the way, including this sub in general! 💛🧡
EDIT progress is from right to left. She was found in my kitchen -see previous posts- and when I mean tiny chunk, I mean that she is getting chunkier but is still very small in length and is still classified as underweight but she is starting to beef up
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/ee3827/its_been_a_while_pea_wilson_on_an_adventure/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: It's been a while... Pea [Wilson] on an adventure
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/eepmpw/caught_pea_mid_mlem_also_cannot_believe_her/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Caught Pea mid mlem. Also, cannot believe her colours!
https://www.reddit.com/r/leopardgeckos/comments/esfmag/is_little_pea_ovulating_chunky_belly_when_she/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Is little Pea ovulating? Chunky belly when she lays down, but still eating? Not belly Mark's though 🤔 - also - she's now been with us 4 and a half months! 💛🧡
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardGecko/comments/io2lrf/pea_wilson_1_year_findaversary/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Pea (Wilson) 1 year findaversary 🧡💛 | 1,911 | 2022-10-24T16:34:10 | Gecko found in kitchen!!! [UK] | CONCLUDED | bowl_of_petunias_ | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ycfv4s/gecko_found_in_kitchen_uk/ | false | false | [
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ychrqa | Although this is from a medical sub it does not contain any gore, so I don’t think I needs any warnings.
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**Original** (31.Aug.2022) by u/Wooden_Parfait1799:
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**I was given Epi on a plane yesterday and I’ve been vomiting ever since**
I was on a 10 hour flight yesterday and went into anaphylactic shock (I think?). My whole body became itchy and covered in hives, and I couldn’t breathe. My throat felt really tight and I was coughing really hard.
The plane itself didn’t have epinephrine and neither did I (I don’t have any known allergies where I’d need to carry an epi pen) but a passenger did, it was 3 months out of date. They put it in my thigh and quite quickly I was breathing better. Also right before the epi I chewed two Benadryl because I couldn’t swallow them (I’m not sure if they work that way but I was panicking)
Anyways, after all that my heart started racing like crazy (which I guess is the epi) and I started violently vomiting, I spent a solid 4-5 hours just throwing up constantly.
It’s the next day now and I’m still so so nauseous and every time I drink or eat anything I throw up.
Could this be from the expired epi? Or maybe chewing pills?
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**Very important answer** (31.Aug.2022) by “penicilling”\*:
*Usual disclaimer: no one can provide specific medical advice for a person or condition without an in-person interview and physical examination, and a review of the available medical records and recent and past testing. This comment is for general information purposes only, and not intended to provide medical advice. No physician-patient relationship is implied or established.*
Anaphylaxis (a severe life-threatening allergic reaction) is not a simple thing, and is not cured by epinephrine -- epinephrine reverses the reaction temporarily, but other medications must be given. Especially since you are having persistent symptoms (nausea and vomiting) you should go to the nearest emergency department the fastest way possible. Do not drive yourself, go by ambulance if need be. If the reaction becomes severe again then you might die. Death from anaphylaxis can occur very quickly from low blood pressure or from swelling of the throat.
Let me repeat: anaphylaxis is life-threatening; if you have anaphylaxis, you have had partial and insufficient treatment for it; most likely, a primary care office or urgent care will call 911 for an ambulance to take you to the hospital if you show up there; go to the nearest hospital for treatment immediately; do not drive yourself, as if you pass out or get sick while driving, you could die.
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**And the update** (still 31.Aug.2022, circa 7 hours after the original question was posted) by OOP:
”penicillig"\* (I have no idea how to tag on Reddit) but I think you saved my life today. I live 40 minutes away from the ER (rural Ireland) and while waiting in the ER (because you said to go) my throat swelled and I lost consciousness (and a whole boring dramatic story that I won’t bother you with) but essentially if it happened at home; being 40 minutes away, the outcome wouldn’t have been favourable. So thank you, a lot! I feel like crap and I’m not going anywhere soon but I’m in the right place!
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The whole post can be found here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskDocs/comments/x2d6oe/i\_was\_given\_epi\_on\_a\_plane\_yesterday\_and\_ive\_been/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskDocs/comments/x2d6oe/i_was_given_epi_on_a_plane_yesterday_and_ive_been/)
**\*I did not want to tag this user, the original sub does not approve of tagging verified medical professionals for attention, which seems reasonable to me.**
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\*Edit: In another, now deleted medical post the OOP in a comment stated that the anaphylaxis was caused by Aspirin. As someone in the comments here stated, human bodies can at any point in life decide, they now wont to be allergic even if there wasn't an allergy before. And if you keep contacting whatever you are now allergic to said allergy can become severe pretty fast.
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Also, regarding other points that came up in the comments I'm gonna quote this:
\>I was only 2 hours into a 10 hour flight, kept at the last row of the plane near cabin crew for the whole flight then told to go back to my seat for landing.
I think following up with them is a good idea, something seems off for sure. Thanks so much for sharing your input, makes me feel a lot better :)
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and this:
\>Thanks for your input. At the end of the day, I’m not really here to blame anyone. Yes, I should have gone to the hospital. However, I was feeling fine for the most part , I didn’t know anything about allergic reactions or epi and what to expect so I assumed that was the treatment. We did the 5 hour journey home from the airport, I slept, woke up, posted in Reddit and went to the hospital. End of the day, the outcome was a positive one and I’ve learned something :)
If you read through the comments you’ll see a flight attendant explain that they should have in fact organised emergency services as per protocol.
I understand your point, though I don’t think there’s any need for the hostility :) | 5,580 | 2022-10-24T17:50:20 | OOP can't stop vomiting after recieving epinephrine | CONCLUDED | divineOuch | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ychrqa/oop_cant_stop_vomiting_after_recieving_epinephrine/ | false | false | [
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**I am NOT OP. Original post by u/jinasdone in r/AmItheAsshole**
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[AITA for kicking out my boyfriend‘s homeless friend?](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/y4zmap/aita_for_kicking_out_my_boyfriends_homeless_friend/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) 16th Oct 2022
So My (f22) boyfriend (24) has this friend (f25) who moved in 4 months because she had nowhere to go. Now I didn't mind having her as long as she respects our boundaries and the rules around the house but that's definitely not it.
She is very loud, comments on everything and just does inappropriate stuff in general and excuses it for being a Latina and that's just how they are. She doesn't help at all besides maybe cooking sometimes but doesn't clean up the mess she makes and she invites people over whenever she wants. She changes in the living room in front of us (literally took off her underwear) and i asked her to change in her room but her excuse is that she was trying to feel like home and then she suggested i should too as it will strengthen my bond with my bf. I talked to my bf about how im kinda uncomfortable with this whole situation and he told me not to overthink about it and that she's just very unbotherd and cool.
She always interrupted our time together and would sit BETWEEN me and him during a movie or take my space while I take a toilet break and she cuddles him in the most unfriendly way and when I asked jokingly if she was trying to take my man she would excuse it on her ethnicity and that's how they grew up so I knew I had to ruin this Friday night they had for them. I went up to them and she was all over him as usual, I called my bf and when he was about to get up she said how it was their favorite part and that he could leave later, I insisted but she kept pulling him so I went and pulled him to our room, discussed how what she's doing is really upsetting and I no longer want her living with us and he agreed I had the right but that she has no where to go and that i'll have to wait until she finds a job which she's not even trying to get, while talking she came and tried to open the door which was locked so she started knocking and we just ignored her until it got louder and he asked her to leave but she got even louder and then started saying how i ruined the only time they're she gets with him (which obviously is not the case) I had enough at that point but my bf suggested he talks to her first so he went and they took too long like almost 2 hours and I went to check on them and heard her telling him he shouldn't accept someone who ruins a friendship as a partner and that is a big red flag and that he should kick me out. But this place is actually my property that I inherited from my aunt and at that point I knew I had to kick her out.
I didn't even ask with what conclusion they came up with and waited in the living room until they came out and I just told her to look for another place and gave her 2 weeks max. She's been crying since yesterday, refusing to eat and not coming out of the room and my boyfriend is saying I went overboard and I just hit a sensitive spot of hers, basically telling her to leave when she has no family or anywhere to go. So AITA?
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UPDATE:
Thank you everyone for the advice and helping me open an eye on the real issue, It was past midnight when i posted that and my life literally took a 180° in less than 24 hours. It has been overwhelming and i didn't expect this would reach many people. The comments were like a slap in the face I really needed, Apparently i was too blind. Yeah i guess my boyfriend isn't who i thought he was.
He has been trying to give her food, try to calm her down and literally took a day off from college and work (he goes on Sunday's too) which he NEVER did for me and he never even get days off from his classes unless really necessary with proof (nursing) idk how he managed to get a day off. I really wanted to make sure it is what it looks like before deciding my next move. I prepared lunch way before time and asked him if he was around for lunch and his response? "im trying to get her to have breakfast and you're talking about lunch, you're becoming unrecognizable"
Yea i didn't know what to reply so just asked again but he said we can have lunch together if she's willing to join us as it is rude if we eat without her. At this point i felt like shit tbh and asked him why was she so important that he canceled all his plans just to support her emotionally which he never did when i went through things myself but he just left like that. I invited my guy friend over which he doesn't like and i explained to him our situation and just asked him to be comfortable. I didn't want to do the cuddling stuff like them because we didn't break up yet at that point and it was weird anyways because we don't usually. My boyfriend never realized someone was over until he came to take food and he saw us having lunch together and he just gave me a look, said Hi and was going to take some for themselves until he realized it was a creamy rice casserole (which his friend doesn't like and yeah i did that on purpose) and chicken roast with some sides and he literally glared at me and said you know she doesn't eat that and i just replied "well it's not her who i made this for" then he threw the plate, started shouting asking what the f*ck was wrong with me and that he wishes he never dated me. It was so scary my friend got involved they got aggressive and i just asked him to leave with his other girlfriend which he replied with "oh so you're replacing me that fast" but i told him he was the one who has replaced me a long time ago but i was too dumb to realize. He actually moved in fully when his friend came and colleges here do provide dorms but of course it's not like she can live with him and i couldn't care less anymore, Also no legal action is required for someone you haven't signed papers with where i live. They were just guests. I packed his things for him which aren't alot and left it by the front door. He came crying and apologizing and acknowledging what he did was wrong and just other bullshit i didn't want to hear because the damage was already done. My friend was of great support and he dealt with everything else as i cried my eyes out in my room.
And that sums up how i went through my first heartbreak and it was my first relationship and i did love him but i guess i can watch, eat and do anything now without catering to anyone's needs. Im changing the locks tomorrow morning and we're ordering fried chicken (apparently a proven heartbreak remedy by my friend).
And although her excuse was bringing up her race, i know better than that. Thank you all for the support~~.
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**Reminder - I am not the original poster.** | 8,120 | 2022-10-24T18:22:37 | OOP‘s lets her BF‘s homeless friend stay | CONCLUDED | TrashyZuidas | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ycikno/oops_lets_her_bfs_homeless_friend_stay/ | false | false | [
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**I am NOT OP. Original post by u/positivebean in r/AmItheAsshole**
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[AITA for not wanting to talk to my sister after she didn't invite me to her wedding?](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/xtstl9/aita_for_not_wanting_to_talk_to_my_sister_after/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) 2nd Oct 2022
So I (19F) have two half sisters, "Haley" (30F) and "Sarah" (32F).
Before my dad met my mum and had me, he was married to "Mary" (60F) and had Haley and Sarah.
My dad wasnt happy in their marriage, and after around 15y of being married they filed for a divorce.
2-3 years later my dad met my mum and they fell in love. My dad didnt want to start a relationship because he didnt want to hurt Haleys and Sarahs feelings, but eventually decided to have me with my mum.
Which didnt turn out to be a problem, since Haley and Sarah were ecstatic to hear theyre getting a baby sister. They also never had a problem with my mum, they like her and my mum is always there to help them when they need help.
I saw them a lot growing up, and our relationship was pretty good. Sarah was especially fond of me, inviting me to her place a lot and doing a lot of fun stuff together like going to the movies.
Which is why i was devastated when she didnt invite me to her wedding. In 2018, my dad told me Sarah was getting married and i was overjoyed. I know her fiance and hea really nice, and i was super excited to go dress shopping, since i thought i would be invited to. I wasnt, because Sarahs mom Mary never wanted to see me, shes basically been ignoring my existence ever since I was born. My dad and sisters always took care so that i wouldnt run into her when staying at Sarahs place, for example.
Sarah never told me I wasnt invited to go dress shopping, I found out by Haley telling me what a nice dress they picked out. I was taken aback, but didnt think too much of it.
My sisters wedding was in Italy, and when my dad booked the ticket to go I realised i wasnt invited - since he only booked one. My mum had warned me after they got engaged that i probably wouldnt be invited and to not get my hopes up, but I didnt think Sarah actually wouldnt invite me because her mum cant cope that my dad moved on and had a child with another woman.
What hurt most though is that Sarah never told me I wasnt invited. No text, letter, talk, nothing. She just moved on with her life like it never happened, she never tried to talk to me about it. When I saw her at family gatherings after, she only made smalltalk with me, as if nothing happened.
Ever since then I kinda detached myself from her and didnt go over to her place with my dad or anything.
After a couple months i completely stopped talking to her, because i noticed that my mental health was suffering and i decided to do whats best for myself, which is going NC and avoiding her at family gatherings or not going altogether.
Its been 4 years, and my dad asked me to maybe talk it out with her. He doesnt want to pressure me to anything, but he says that family is important and that he would like it if we got along. He also told me he never knew she never told me i wasnt invited, that she told him she had talked to me. He understands im upset and he doesnt want to get involved, he just told me how he felt.
Shes also been trying to reach out to me a couple of months ago by asking my dad if he could ask me to have a talk with her (which is why he brought it up in the first place).
AITA for not wanting to talk to my sister since its been so long? Should I just "get over it"?
Edit: clearer wording
ETA: I didnt block her on my socials, so she couldve reached out to me if she had wanted to. She still can, her number isnt blocked. I only unfollowed her on ig.
ETA: Maybe I should add this wasn't a one time thing, her son was born in 2016 and I wasn't invited for his birthday party in 2017 because her mum was there too (I just gave the present i got him to my dad who gave it to Sarah at the party, she later called me and said "Thank you". I was a bit bummed out but understood. Grandmother cancels out aunt lol.)
Also, because I saw a lot of comments speculating i might be an affair child and that's why Mary is so offended by my existence - I'm not. Disregarding the fact that my dad would never cheat and that my mom would never degrade herself to be a "mistress", they met through mutual friends well after the divorce and said friends are still in their life and have told me how they met a hundred times lol.
Additionally, my dad did stand up for me to her, he criticized her not wanting to invite me but it was her wedding and they have a... weird relationship, in the sense that they argue a lot because they're both hot-headed and stubborn. It's complicated and a lot to get into. I hope i cleared some things up, should've added them to the original post!
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**4th October**
**Update** (kind of?):
Thank you guys for all your comments. I tried reading all of them and I did read most, it's just a lot to keep up with lol. Just know I appreciate that you took time out of your day to give some judgement and advice :)
Anyway, for the "update": While this sub did deem me to be NTA (but was split on whether my sister, her mum, my dad or all of them were TA), I do feel kinda uneasy not talking to her at all, forever.
She requested to follow me on Instagram a few days ago. I think this is a subtle way of telling me "I care about what's going on in your life right now", but I might be wrong. Nevertheless, I let her follow request sit in my inbox for a while and thought about how i handled things moving forward.
I also took into account a lot of advice you guys gave, even though a lot of you were split between "Cut her out of your life forever" and "Maybe talk to her" lol.
I think I'm going to accept her request and see what happens. I think I'm ready to talk about what happened and how that made me feel, to explain why I was so hurt not to be invited and why I decided to go LC/NC.
What I'm not sure about is if I'd accept an apology (if there even is one) or if I'm ready to start a relationship with her again.
I guess I'll update you on that, if something happens. And if you guys want another update that is, lol.
Anyway, thank you guys again!
P.S. I forgot to mention in the original post, but my sister Haley got engaged a couple months back. They haven't set a date yet, but she mentioned to my dad wanting to invite me AND even my mum!
Let's see if she follows through. If so, I might have a new favourite sister! Jk lol.
But I'm actually curious to see how this pans out.
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**Reminder - I am not the original poster.**
OOP has commented with more info [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ycjabw/oop_went_lc_with_sister_after_she_didnt_invite/itp1ufm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) | 4,512 | 2022-10-24T18:50:49 | OOP went LC with sister after she didn‘t invite OOP to her wedding | ONGOING | TrashyZuidas | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ycjabw/oop_went_lc_with_sister_after_she_didnt_invite/ | false | false | [
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yck64t | I am not the OP. These posts were made by u/ThrowRAnotsure23 in 2020. There were two updates in addition to the original post
**Long Post Warning (Original Post + 2 Updates)**
[First Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/m048m1/mym19_girlfriendf18_wants_me_to_protest_my_job/) \- **3/7/21**
I've worked in Target for the past couple of years, and we recently received a new store lead as well. Our store provides t-shirts that support equality that we're allowed to wear, and we also have some that we wear during pride month too, along with the occasional ones to promote our new brand/clothing drops, but those are mostly for the people who work directly in soft lines
Our old store lead was cool with some of us wearing our own equality clothing/facemasks that weren't given to us by the store, but our newest one wasn't. Generally, I'll wear the t-shirts they provide on a rotation with the regular clothes I usually wear, but he now wants us to keep it to official Target branded stuff so that if a customer complains about it, they'll have less grounds if it's about an official Target shirt rather than something that isn't provided by them
However, one team member has been known to wear a face-covering that says BLM, and our new manager has apparently take some issue with it from what he's told my girlfriend that she relayed to me, along with how he's gotten written up for continuing to wear it despite being talked-to and asked not to do so. I see him in passing, but my girlfriend talks to him more because she usually works Guest Services and he's on register, and I'm usually in the back or on the salesfloor most of the time. However, she's talked to me about how she disagrees with how he's been treated, along with how the guard thinks he's being targeted as well, and she wants to stand with him and try to protest about it, but I told her that while I respect her opinion, that I don't personally want to do something like that at my job, since I usually try to keep politics and work separate from each other, and I'm also in the process of trying to become a team lead myself. However, she's called me selfish and other stuff about "not wanting to support him" and "only looking out for myself", and I told her that I disagree and that I'm not trying to lose my job in the middle of a pandemic where it might be slightly harder than usual to find another one, but even if it wasn't, I'm not going to risk my job for a coworker I barely know by protesting a job that pays for my bills and tuition. However, she said that "I shouldn't want to work with people who think like our new gm", and she's been giving me shit about going for the new opening for the past few days and telling me that she's "disappointed in me", and I think that's completely unreasonable
I'm not going to risk my ass and my bills for someone else's business, and I've tried to talk to her calmly about my reasoning too, but she just doesn't get it and has been talking to me less too, and I told one of my friends who said she's being unreasonable and basically agreed with me, although he believes that I should considering calling it off with her, and the thought has crossed my mind as it's been happening for the past week or so, but I'm also considering talking to her once more but more adamantly about the importance of trying to work it out, because I feel that if she's gonna distance herself from me because of someone else who has no relation to us, that she's showing a side of herself that's unreasonable and will continue to maybe be in the future regarding other things, but I'm open to any advice on how to perhaps go about one final talk with her on the matter, if I should at all at this point
[First Update](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/ma9xdw/update_mym19_girlfriendf18_wants_me_to_protest_my/) \- **3/21/21**
It was after our second talk (the follow-up) that I considered ending things, but I wanted to try once more, just to have no regrets in thinking I didn't try hard enough, but after her most recent comments, I'm just looking for assurance to potentially ends things now. When I talked to her again, I told her that I want to work through our disagreement like adults, and that shaming has no place from me or from her, along with how I do support the cause if she doesn't think I do, and that I have worn the equality and pride t-shirts on many occassions, but she told me that it's easy to wear pride shirts because "gay people haven't been through anything compared to black people", and that comment really put me off and made me think that she wasn't able to be reasoned with. I have a few friends who are gay that she knows and has met on numerous occassions, and to hear her say something like that just set me off. I don't know if she thinks that she's testing me, or what in the world made her flip out on this all of a sudden when her friend is in hot water, and we have NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, but I don't know. Maybe she has a thing for him, I don't know either. I'm just confused and tired and a bit angry to be real with you, and I just want to ask how I should go about ending things with her, or not if someone has a better idea than me. But, at this point, I'm struggling to understand why she's getting so worked up about someone else's business that isn't our own, and she said I'm no better than our new STL for "agreeing with him". What should I do about her and this situation? I already know, but I'll take whatever advice I can get on "how" to potentially end things
[Final Update](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/mhc46q/final_update_mym19_girlfriendf18_wants_me_to/) \- **3/31/21**
A couple of days ago, we hung out after work, and I told her that I wanted to address the comment she made that has been on my mind ever since she said it, and I asked her to explain the comment comparing gay people to black people. She proceeded to tell me that she didn't mean it to come off that way, but that "gay people can choose when they want to be targeted when black people live with the stigma from the moment they're born". This really ticked me off, but when I asked what the hell that meant, she said that "gay people have the choice to come out of the closet, when black people have been out of it for all of their lives without a choice", and she tried to tell me that that's why she's standing with Steve
I didn't really know what to think or say when she said that, but to be honest, I did. I was just too much of a coward to break up with her then and there, but hearing her say that was pretty much everything I needed to hear. I shouldn't have given her the chance to explain herself, but I did because I was curious and afraid to be alone and of potential second-guessing myself later on, but I was too much of a coward to do it in the car, so I tried to change the subject and just take her home, but after dropping her off and when I got home, I told my dad about it and that I was too afraid to end it in person, so I ended it over text and he said that that was fine, and he also agreed that she didn't deserve the chance I gave her to try and explain herself, but that it's better to learn now than months later on
I told her that I tried to work it out with her three times, but that after some of the things she said that went far beyond plain insulting, I don't think we're compatible, and I texted her that a couple of days ago. I can deal with disagreements, and I know that people sometimes turn to insulting when people disagree and sometimes apologize later, but the things she said are something that I don't think can be easily changed, and even if they can be, I don't want to be the one who's trying to make her. My dad says that she had three chances to try and be reasonable, but that she prooved that she isn't able to be reasoned with. I was just so afraid of the awarkdness at work and potential second-guessing that I'd have once a lack of physical contact began to take its toll, but the third conversation along with many comments were really reassuring, but as of right now, I'm looking into finding other work because of how she's taken the message I sent her
To be expected, I expected her to have her own version to tell her friends at register or to potentially be called the r-word by her too, but she didn't respond to the message and told HR that I tried to put my hands on her, and I swear that never happened or anything like that. I tried to see things from her way and respectfully disagree and come back the next few days to try and make peace, but never once did I touch her during any of our arguments, and I told this to HR when I explained to them the situation. After I was called in, they had me leave early following our conversation, and they said a follow-up would happen sometime soon. They also said that our schedules will be set to different working times or something, but that's my main concern as I'm writing this right now, how to go about this as well as getting over the relationship. As I'm writing this, I'm more angry at her than sad or regretful of anything, but any advice on how to move on from her long term emotionally and how to handle this situation and looking for a new job would be appreciated. But like I said near the top, I needed to vent and I'm sorry for this being so long, but if anyone has advice on how to deal with this or maybe has been through anything similar, I'd really appreciate that, but I kinda see what people mean by not dating at the place where you work and all, but I just want to know how's the best way to go about this for my own safety and any potential process of an investigation, even if the police get involved and if I need a lawyer, although my dad is doing a lot of online research on it too and said he's considering one strongly to help me at the moment | 3,632 | 2022-10-24T19:25:33 | My(m19) Girlfriend(f18) wants me to protest my job because her friend got written up (2 Updates) | INCONCLUSIVE | MadisonBrave | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/yck64t/mym19_girlfriendf18_wants_me_to_protest_my_job/ | false | false | [
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ycxu0j | **I am NOT OP. Original post by u/Certain-Ad-181 in r/relationship_advice**
mood spoilers: >!in the end he lied even more!<
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[**IG my now ex bf went to a strip club**](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/wuujsw/my_25f_i_guess_now_ex_boyfriend_25m_went_to_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) - 22nd August 2022
My boyfriend and I have always been the ones to read reddit post like this and be sure we would never be in this position but here we are.
Before he left we did talk about things like strip clubs and always said we were cool with it as long as we were together. Since he was going on this trip without me I said I prefer he not go to one but if everyone else wanted to go and he was the only one who didn’t then I would be okay with him going so that he wasn’t left alone. Flash forward to the trip, he’s on it and text me saying they all want to go to the strip club and if I was for sure okay with him going. I told him yes and that my hard boundary would be a lap dance. He assured me he wouldn’t and said he would just pay for drinks and be there for the others. After a couple hours (and texting back and forth during this time) he told me they’re done at the strip club and when I asked how it went he said it was weird.
We kept texting each other that night and everything seemed fine until the next day when he messages me that he did cross a boundary last night and got a lap dance. His rationale was that he didn’t pay for it, his friends pressured him after hearing it was first time and that the smoking + drinking made him give in. He said in the moment he did enjoy it (did not touch her though) but was also thinking about how much he loves me (?). After hearing this I told him we were done and left to go pick up all my things from his house.
Since then, we’ve been talking and I’ve been going back and forth on whether this is salvageable. The thing is we’ve been together for almost 4 years (next month was going to be our anniversary) and frequently talked about getting married and even adopting a pet together in the near future. Our families like each other, we were both settling into our adult lives, everything was going so well and then this happens. I’ve also been going through a hard time (basically 4 huge sad/stressful life events) and he’s been there for all of it and still did what he did after I said I wouldn’t be able to take another big thing coming my way.
He’s told me he regrets everything and is offering to do anything to fix it + pay for couples counseling. I loved him so much but part of me isn’t sure if I should give in. I always told myself I would never be flexible with things like this but I miss him so much and part of me wants to try. And honestly I don’t even care about the lap dance anymore, I’m just more stuck on the fact that he asked, I said no, he went through with it, and would he do it again? I also think it’s worth mentioning that both of us come from families where our dads cheated and we said we would never be like that so I feel like that’s what makes this feel worse too.
So is this relationship salvageable? Would it be worth to go through couples counseling? Has anyone been in a similar situation and worked it out?
Thanks in advance.
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[**My (25F) boyfriend (25m) went to a bachelor party and got a lap dance after we set up no lap dance boundary**](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/wx35aa/update_my_25f_i_guess_now_ex_boyfriend_25m_went/) - 25th August 2022
Link to my previous post: https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/wuujsw/my_25f_i_guess_now_ex_boyfriend_25m_went_to_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
So here’s the update. I wasn’t going to post one because I regretted posting on reddit but oh well everything went to shit anyways and maybe this could be healing or whatever. For everyone who reads this and knows us (which I’m sure my ex and our friends will) I hope you all don’t judge me for posting. I think originally I posted in hopes of finding a story where people in the same situation were able to grow past it, get married and live happily every after and I did which encouraged me to consider a second chance.
I do want to make a clarification though. My ex and I had never gone to a strip club and always discussed going together to see what it’s like to determine if we would be comfortable with what happens there. In fact I don’t even really consider the lap dance cheating (like a lot of people assumed in the last post) because I see it comparable to something like porn which I’m okay with, but again I wanted to experience it with him for the first time to make sure I was okay with it because I might have change my mind once seeing it (which I doubt because even now I don’t care about the lap dance).
Now why did I say I was cool with him going to the strip club? Well he was really high and drunk and I figured I rather he stayed with the group vs wandering the city alone in that state. I also figured him reassuring he wouldn’t cross the boundary would be enough even though I was still really nervous.
Now this next part I’m not proud of but again I was really nervous. So my ex and I use to always check each other’s location. We both openly admitted to randomly doing it but I will admit I checked it often when he was at the bachelor weekend when I was nervous and intrusive thoughts came in. So when he was at the strip club I made a mental note of where it was at and just left it there. I figured he was still texting me like normal (which was also something we just naturally did, I did not ask him to keep me updated like that) so it must be nothing. By around 2:00am he then texted me his phone was dying and he was turning it off in case he needs it for something later and told me he would text me when they were done and to let me know he got home safe (something we always did). So around 4:00am he turns his phone back on and lets me know they were going back to their airbnb. Intrusive thought came in so I checked his location and noticed he was at the strip club. I didn’t want to believe it was real so I didn’t say anything and rationalized it as a glitch and maybe his phone was acting up because he turned it off.
So any ways, you all know what happened after all that. Now me being hopeful decided to give him another chance but before I did I had a couple questions to ask him which he willingly agreed to do because he believed I deserved to know the truth. The first thing I asked was to tell me everything that happened that night, everything that led up to it, everything that happened at the club, and everything that happened after he left. So he tells me the same story but this time says he willingly agreed to accepting the lap dance because he was interested. That hurt but I figured okay, we can maybe work past that because I will admit I would have wanted one too had we gone together. He ends with telling me that after the strip club they went to regular-dancing only club and after that they went home. I asked him was that all, he said yes, I asked again that nothing happened at the club or anything else, and he assured me it was just the one dance he did not pay for, did not touch her, and the other’s pressured him into doing till he caved because he was interested.
Now this where it goes to shit. When we finish all my questions, something told me to bring up the location thing so I did and he admitted that he lied and they went back to the strip club that night. When I asked him why he said everyone else wanted to go and he was drunk so he went along. I asked him if anything happened there he said no. When I asked why didn’t he tell me after I asked him to tell me the truth and gave him multiple opportunities to do so, he said he had talked to his mom and sister and they told him not to tell me because his sister wished there were things she didn’t know when her husband cheated on her because it made it hard for them to get past it. At this point I was upset, he had lied to my face after I asked him to tell me the whole truth and when I asked if he was ever going to tell me he said he wanted to and was going to probably after a week because he didn’t think he would live with the guilt. Now I wish that was the end of it but it wasn’t. A that point I was crying and asking why he didn’t tell me the truth and they he hits me with it. Not only did they go back, but he ended up paying for two more lap dances and touched the girls. When I asked why he said he was driven by lust and figured he fucked up already so might as well enjoy more. After that it’s all a blur but I remember kicking him out.
I honestly think had he texted me that night and asked if it was cool to get one I probably would have said yes and been okay with everything that night. I also think I would have been okay with giving it another chance had he just come clean about everything in the beginning. But nope, he looked me dead in the eyes and didn’t come clean till I called him out on his lie. So that’s that. I miss him so much and honestly go back and forth about just saying fuck it let’s try again but I feel like I should stand my ground no matter how hard it is and it’s really really hard. Call me stupid because I don't want anyone else, but I'm just being honest with myself. Something I wished he would have done because we probably still would have been together.
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**Reminder - I am not the original poster.** | 2,387 | 2022-10-25T06:30:29 | OOP’s bf tried to hide about getting a lap dance | CONCLUDED | TrashyZuidas | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ycxu0j/oops_bf_tried_to_hide_about_getting_a_lap_dance/ | false | false | [
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**I am NOT OP. Original post by u/deleted in r/TrueOffMyChest**
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[My Husband blamed his cheating on me because of my underwear](https://www.reveddit.com/v/TrueOffMyChest/comments/xtmzdo/my_husband_blamed_his_cheating_on_me_because_of/?ps_after=1664718991%2C1664725173%2C1664734976%2C1664755660%2C1664798480) 1st Oct 2022, post removed but someone linked to the reveddit.
We (f35, m36) have been married for a little under 2 months. Together for 4 years. I love (loved) him very much and I thought he loved me too. Beside the usual quarrel and disagreements about dull and mundane tasks we’re good. He never complained about anything. NEVER. Our sex life was amazing and he told me so very often. He even texted me when we’re at work all kind of nsfw stuff that made me blush in my office.
Friday I had only one morning meeting. Me and my colleagues went for a lunch afterwards and then we decided to go home afterwards. We checked with our supervisor and she said it was fine. I found my husband with another woman in our bed. I started running away in shock and he couldn’t really leave the apartment before putting his clothes on. Enough time for me to take the elevator alone.
He’s been calling and texting me all weekend. I’m at my brother’s. My brother and my sister in law don’t know the details just that my husband was cheating. This morning my husband came knocking. He begged audience and asked my brother to let him speak to me. My brother asked me if I wanted him to kick my husband out but I told him that now I wasn’t in total shock anymore, maybe I should just hear him out. My brother, sil and my baby nephew left for a brunch.
My husband looked like he has been crying the whole weekend and wanted to hug me. I told him to stay on his side of the kitchen island and NOT to come nearer or I would scream.
He started first with a half apology and later explained why he was cheating on me. I never made effort for him. I’m always wearing comfortable underwear and never the sexy type. That’s a turn off for him. He felt like I didn’t really care. I was stunned and didn’t understand what he meant. Why didn’t you tell me this? Why not tried to buy sexy lingerie like many men did to their wives? He said he didn’t want to “offend” me by suggesting that my underwear were dull and a turn off. So it was basically my fault that you cheated? He didn’t say no. Just looked at me crying his eyes out.
I tried to remember what the girl was wearing. I couldn’t remember because my eyes went blurry the second I saw them.
He asked me what I wanted to do. That we could fix this. He asked me if I wanted to know more about the woman in my bed. She meant nothing. I interrupted him immediately and told him that I was good. Then to get him out I told him I needed time to think, even though I already made up my mind. I just didn’t want him to stay longer to try to talk and argue and cry more.
He has left now. I don’t know what to feel. I never knew underwear were this big of a deal in relationships? I love cotton. Neutral colors. Mostly CK basic. I have a very large chest and honestly any sexy bra is just a pain in the ass having on a whole day always trying to adjust my boobs in the cups(big breasted girls will recognize my issue, dealing with all the unsolicited glaring from guys and even girls, when wearing underwear that shows the shape. Plus I don’t feel unsexy in my very comfortable undies at all. Not once. I love my body. I work out 1,5-2h a day and I’m very confident in my own skin. And how could he say that he wasn’t satisfied with our sex life when we’re intimate at least 4 times a weak? Was it all a lie when he said that I drove him crazy and how I could turn him on with one look at him? I will never understand men. He gave me a false sense of confidence.
And why did I catch them NOW. Couldn’t I do it just 2 months ago. Now I need to find lawyers and start a fucking process that will take 2 years of my life. At least.
Fuck you K! Really fucking fuck you! I hope you get fucked by karma wearing sexy red lace g string.
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[Update: my husband blamed his cheating on me because of my underwear](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/y0k8ok/update_my_husband_blamed_his_cheating_on_me/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) 11th Oct 2022
Hi everyone. Since I got so much support last time i was here, I’m back for more attention🫣. I didn’t find my story anywhere but thank goodness I still had the draft on my phone. I have it on my page.
I have spoken to a lawyer and unfortunately annulment isn’t an option for us even tho we have been married for this short period of time. So I filed for divorce instead. My husband was so angry about it. So angry. He thought I was moving on too fast with everything and without even properly hearing him out. What more does he have to say? He texted me that this couldn’t just be it? That he won’t kiss me again? The last time he held and kissed me, he didn’t know it was going to be the last time or he wouldn’t have let go (but then he wouldn’t be able to fuck miss sexy panties, would he? Because he was in my bed with her a couple of hours after our last kiss🙄).
He’s not the only one thinking that I’m moving too fast tho. My family is reserved about it but I have sensed that they also agreed with my husband about giving it more time. My brother even told me that I was welcomed in his home as long as I wanted so I didn’t need to make any rash decisions (this hurt me).
My mother in law called me a few times and she apologized and asked how I was doing, yes, but she had ulterior motives too. She is worried about the financial part of the divorce. She asked me whether I thought being married for under 2 months would make me entitled to my husband’s property. I don’t know if I can take half when we’ve been married such a short period of time. I still haven’t met my lawyer yet so I don’t know anything about division of property. My husband bought us the apartment we live in. Also he owns some other properties that we rent out and a small lake cottage. I kinda understand where she’s coming from since I myself don’t feel that I’m entitled to 1/2.
Now to what my husband did yesterday:
As I said my husband is very angry with me and yesterday I knew the full extent of it. I received a delivery to my brothers house. A beautiful gift wrapped box. Inside beautiful lace underwear. My size. Thank goodness my brother and sister in law were out on their usual walk and sunday brunch because I broke down crying. And I cried for 2 hours straight. After I calmed down I knew that my husband, after coming to his senses, would regret his very petty actions and would start reaching out to me. When my brother came home. I told him that I was going to visit my best friend and that he couldn’t tell my husband where I was. My brother knew something was wrong because my eyes were still swollen but he respected my wishes that I didn’t want to talk about the details (so embarrassing) I just told him my husband did something hurtful and that he would try to apologize once he calmed down.
I was right because my husband went to my brother’s house asking about me because I wasn’t picking up or answer him. He called and sent me at least 50 messages. I didn’t read any because I had muted my phone. I also called in sick. Today my husband apparently showed up to my work place hoping he would see me there.
I’m so devastated and angry. I start crying the moment I’m alone. Why did he think he needed to hurt me even more? Wasn’t cheating on my in my own bed in the place I felt the safest, my home, enough humiliation for my husband? Why does he hate me so much? Just because I followed my broken heart and filed for divorce? I thought he knew me. I thought he knew I always followed my heart or I wouldn’t have married him in the first place.
I was so close to putting the underwear on and blast instagram with pictures of me in them. Or better yet in my CK grey cotton ones. I’m happy I came to my senses and put my phone aside.
Is the pain I’m feeling ever going to go away?
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Ok, I did something petty. I made an IG story with my CK (face not shown) with Beyoncé-COZY as background music. I know I’m going to regret it because of the pettiness but right now I feel a rush
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About the underwear I received yesterday. I’m not gonna burn or return them or cut them. I’m going to use them next time I’m having sex. That’s probably what my husband intended for me to do with them. I’m going to oblige.
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I’m not American, in my country it doesn’t matter if he had the property before or after we got married. Everything we own together or separately is JOINT property and will be divided 50/50. My husband doesn’t seem bothered by this(yet). I think he’s busy trying to figure out how to stop the divorce all together rn. His family on the other hand are more outspoken about the division of the assets. They’re also trying for an annulment.
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#LAST PETTY UPDATE
I have now spoken to my husband. We talked about the practical things and I told him that from now on he could talk to my lawyer. He asked me if he could see and talk to me in person. I said no. He then told me that he knew my IG story was for him. He said he was sorry for what he made me feel. He always thought I was beautiful and it never had anything to do with my underwear. I said I know. He apologized for sending me the lingerie. He said he was angry with me when he did it. I said I know. He asked me to burn or throw them away because “I’m beautiful even wearing a potato sack”. I told him that I was going to use them the next time I have sex. And I will remember him and thank him for the confidence boost. He went silent for a few moments and then said I deserve this I guess.
I have cried since this morning. I feel like a child fighting a petty fight but I’m done now. Nothing more to say.
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**Reminder - I am not the original poster.** | 8,594 | 2022-10-25T06:33:16 | OOP‘s Husband blames her underwear for his infidelity | CONCLUDED | TrashyZuidas | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ycxvjk/oops_husband_blames_her_underwear_for_his/ | false | false | [
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ycyuj3 | *This is a repost because my previous post did not meet the 7-day requirement.*
\*\*I am NOT OP. Original post by [u/significant\_whales](https://www.reddit.com/u/significant_whales/) in [r/AmItheAsshole](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/)\*\*
Trigger warnings: >!Death and miscarriage!<
Mood spoilers: >!Terribly sad, but a positive outlook!<
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\[\*\* [AITA for not keeping my mother in the loop and depriving her of her grandchild?](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/xo6380/aita_for_not_keeping_my_mother_in_the_loop_and/) \*\*\] - 26 September 2022
I (F26) am four months pregnant with mine and my husband's (M29) first children - we are having twins! We are both incredibly excited, but it is quite a high risk pregnancy so I have been taking it easy and we are trying to keep the information to ourselves until we know that I am (and the babies are) out of the woods.
When I found out that I was pregnant, I put together a little gift box to give to my husband and surprise him with the news. I put silly little things in the box, like a "World's Best Dad" mug, a baby grow, and a baby book to track all the firsts. At the time I did not know that I was having twins, so there was just one of everything in the box. The plan was that I would gift my husband the box when he arrived home from work, and tell him that we were expecting! Everything went off without a hitch and my husband was beside himself. We had been trying for a while, and it was obviously quite an exciting moment.
The next day, my mom (F52) was visiting and snooped in my husband's home office under the guise of going to the bathroom while I was making lunch. She saw the box and all the contents, and came flying out of the office like a bat out of hell telling me that my ~~hsusband~~ (edit: husband) was having an affair baby because he had a "secret dad box." At first I was so confused, but eventually cleared it up that I had made the box because my husband and I were expecting. My mom was so excited and immediately tried to phone her best friend to tell her the news. I told her that I wanted to wait until I was at least three months before we started telling people, and I asked her to please keep the information to herself.
Reddit, when I tell you that the whole community knows, it is because my mom told everyone with the caveat that they also "keep the secret." It is like middle school, and it is driving me crazy! Now my mom is bugging me about information from doctor's appointments and I have not told her a word. I have not even told her that we are having twins or that it is high risk, but she insists that she should be privy to all information as the "baby's granny." She has also asked me to have her in the room with me when I give birth instead of my husband, which I quickly shut down.
I am just feeling so defeated, I am just trying to rest but I have constant nagging from my mom and all of her friends who claim that they have not told a soul either. My husband does his best to intercept all the demands for information, but I am starting to feel like it would be easier to just cave and tell my mom everything.
AITA for keeping the information to myself and not letting my mother be involved in "the growth and development of \[her\] first grandbaby"? She sent me a text yesterday telling me that it is her right as a loving parent to know about her child's and future grandchild's health.
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*Please note that OOP's post in* [r/JUSTNOMIL](https://www.reddit.com/r/JUSTNOMIL/) *is pretty much copied and pasted from her post in* [r/AmItheAsshole](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/). *I have only pasted below the new details, but feel free to go read the whole post.*
\[\*\* [Advice please: Do I cave and give my mom the information she wants?](https://www.reddit.com/r/JUSTNOMIL/comments/xo6hrs/advice_please_do_i_cave_and_give_my_mom_the/) \*\*\] - 26 September 2022
I posted this to [r/AmItheAsshole](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/) earlier ([original post](https://reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/xo6380/aita_for_not_keeping_my_mother_in_the_loop_and/)), but was advised to come here. I have never been on this sub, so please be gentle if I have made mistakes.
*Copy and paste from the earlier* [r/AmItheAsshole](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/) *post.*
My mom sent me a text yesterday telling me that it is her right as a loving parent to know about her child's and future grandchild's health.
Any advice on how to manage the situation going forward would be greatly appreciated!
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\[\*\* [UPDATE to my posts on r/ AmITheAsshole and r/ JustNOMIL](https://www.reddit.com/user/significant_whales/comments/xp5vfi/update_to_my_posts_on_r_amitheasshole_and_r/) \*\*\] - 27 September 2022
Thank you to everyone who helped me write down everything I wanted to say to my mom, gave me some strength and support, and told me that I should NOT cave under any circumstances. It felt good to have so many people in my corner, and it did help steel my resolve.
I had a chat to my husband and we agreed that the two of us should meet my mom in a public place and have an actual chat about things, rather than just sending a text which she is very quick to dismiss. Unfortunately this is not my first privacy-related issue with my mother, and she is very good at "not seeing" texts which address her behaviour, but she cannot hide in a face-to-face setting.
My husband and I met my mom at a local cafe this morning, and she was so excited to see us. I believe that she thought this was a meeting to give her everything she wanted and more. She started by saying that she and her friends have been planning a baby shower and would like to know the gender, which was actually the perfect segue into my pre-planned speech. It was quite long and emotional, but the main points were:
* I love you and am really glad that you are so excited to be a granny, but I feel that you robbed \[husband\] and I of the chance to announce the pregnancy ourselves.
* I felt that it was inconsiderate to specifically go against what I had asked you, regardless of whether or not you think it was harmless.
* I felt that you crossed a line by a) snooping in my husband's office and b) by making totally unfounded accusations of infedelity.
* Your actions have directly caused stress for myself, and by extension the baby (she is still unaware of the fact that I am having twins).
* We have had to have discussions about \[husband\] and I being entitled to our own privacy before, you have claimed that you will change, but we are now having the discussion again. So, until you can prove that you are trustworthy, we will not be sharing any news about the pregnancy or our lives as a whole.
To say that my mom was unhappy would be an understatement, but she did not have much to say in way of defending herself. Her main, and pretty much only point, was that she had shared the news because she was proud of me. She said that she meant no harm and cannot understand why I am being so spiteful when her biggest crime is that she is excited to be a granny.
In a bit of a dig at my husband, she claimed that I had never been "like this" until I met him and that he has changed me for the worse. My husband just said, "Well, aren't people supposed to change as they get older?"
Unfortuntely, there really was no resolution so \[husband\] and I left after saying what we had gone to say. We have also invested in some cameras to put up around the house and will be changing the locks as she has a key.
After running some errands in town, my husband and I arrived home about an hour ago (hence why I am writing the update now) and found a note taped to the front door. It was from my mom saying that she has put a curse on this house and on our marriage, and will only take it off once we see reason and allow her to exercise her rights as a grandparent. While my mom has always had a strong belief in magic and dark magic, this is the first time she has ever done something like this to me.
I don't believe in this stuff (no offense to anyone who does) but I did have a thorough search of the house afterwards and found a bundle of twigs, hair, and herbs under mine and my husband's bed. I threw it away and we have a locksmith coming over soon, but both my husband and I now feel that no contact is the best thing at least until we have the babies.
Wish us luck!
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\[\*\* [Final update to the cursed home/marriage saga](https://www.reddit.com/user/significant_whales/comments/y656fo/final_update_to_the_cursed_homemarriage_saga/) \*\*\] - 17 October 2022
I wanted to quickly write this as a final update to my last two (or three?) posts, especially because everyone was so kind to send me messages and suggestions. I had some people offer for my husband and I to stay with them while we found a new house, and I had lots of people with magic experience reach out to give me some information about the kind of curse my mother could have put on my husband, the babies, and I.
I am lying in a hospital bed as I write this, and I am absolutely devestated to report that I have lost one of my babies. I suffered a rupture in the placenta and the doctors could only do so much. Maybe it would have been different if I had gone to the hospital earlier, but there was no bleeding as all the blood was trapped behind the rupture so I didn't realise it was serious. It was only when I started experiencing pain (instead of discomfort) that I went to the hospital, but by then it was too late. My wonderful husband has not left my side during everything, and I am beyond grateful for his love and support. I do not know what I would do without him.
My MIL and FIL have flown in to support us, and we have collectively decided that once I am well enough to travel, my husband and I will relocate to be closer to my in-laws. My husband is an immigrant, and has no ties to the area we live in. My only tie was my mom (and I will get to her in a second), but I am ready to go somewhere safe and loving. While I lie here typing this, my MIL is on the phone to an immigration agent to make sure that there are no visa requirements for me to relocate permanently.
As for my mother, she suffered a heart attack about a week ago on my front lawn. Since the cursing incident, she was over at our house (but not let in) at least three times a week begging for "forgiveness". I say "forgiveness" because she did not specify any incident, and she never said the words "I am sorry." She would just yell that she had been "a bad mom" and that I had deserved better. It drove me absolutely bonkers to have her yelling on our front lawn about how much she loves her baby and realises she wasn't always a perfect role model, because it felt like a guilt trip more than anything else.
The night of her heart attack, my husband I were out with friends and come home to find my mom unconcious on the lawn. I immediately called emergency services, and they confirmed that she was dead as soon as they arrived. It has been a really tough time, because despite everything, she was still my mom and my only surviving (blood) relative.
Everything has been a bit much recently, and I am looking forward to a fresh start. I will do everything I can to make sure that my surviving baby grows up in a home surrounded kindness. My husband and I are just human, and we will make mistakes, but I want my baby to always know what it feels like to be loved.
In a strange way, my MIL and I have formed a bond that is stronger than my bond with my biological mother had ever been, and I am so grateful to have her in my life. She is stern, but has been everything I could have asked for. I have cried in her arms more times than I would like to admit. My FIL, on the other hand, is a bit gruff and not one for words, but he holds my hand every time my husband leaves the room or a doctor walks in, and I am so grateful for that small gesture of support.
Despite everything around us at the moment, the five of us (husband, MIL, FIL, baby, and I) have found solice in each other and I am so grateful for my little family. This will be my final update, but please wish us luck on our journey together.
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\*\*Reminder: I am not the OP\*\* | 4,242 | 2022-10-25T07:39:07 | [New Update] Pregnant OOP and her husband have their home and marriage cursed | CONCLUDED | smallpeoplebigplaces | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ycyuj3/new_update_pregnant_oop_and_her_husband_have/ | false | false | [
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yczsfy | **I am not OP.**
Posted by u/throwRA_ring on r/relationship_advice
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[**Original**](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/p00k6o/my_53f_exhusbands_daughter_announced_shes_getting/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) _- August 8, 2021_
My ex-husband and I married too young. It was a classic white wedding with vows and the tradition of passing down a family ring. My ex was given his great grandmother's wedding ring to give to me on our wedding day. We had a wonderful start, but we both really weren't ready to settle. He cheated on me and my drinking turned into alcoholism. We divorced and the ring was never really discussed, so I've kept it all this time. We married at 19 and divorced by 22. Luckily we didn't have kids.
We went our separate ways. He found someone and remarried and had a girl and boy. My journey has been harder. Alcoholism took many things from me, but I kept the old wedding ring. Never pawned, traded, or lost it. Even during some really dark times. Even tho my marriage ended, it was like a memory of better time. I've gotten clean and so far I'm on a long winning streak getting my life put back together.
Through the gossip lines I found out my ex is still married and his daughter, their oldest, just got engaged. I still have his great grandmother's ring. He had talked with me before we even married how he wanted to pass it down to his daughter one day.
We haven't talked once after all these years. I don't know if he still wants his daughter to have this ring, maybe he's forgotten about it. I feel conflicted what to do. It wasn't a good ending, we were so young and stupid and mutually overly entitled.
Should I get in touch, or let sleeping dogs lie? Mail it as a wedding gift with a card anonymously? Or say It's from me?
Edit: thank you for all your kindness! I will definitely get in touch with him and let him decide where we go from there. Hopefully he'll want to meet face to face. It would be nice to see him after all this time.
I'll keep this account up and will give an update if anything happens. :)
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[**Update**](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/p91shy/update_returning_of_my_exhusbands_great/) _- August 22, 2021_
So, small recap, my ex-husband and I exchanged wedding vows and I was given his great grandmother's wedding ring. We divorced (his cheating, my drinking) and the ring was never discussed and I ended up saving it as a keepsake all these years as a memory of another life I once had. I'm clean now for a long while and I recently spoke with a friend who knows of my ex's family and brought up how his daughter recently got engaged. I immediately thought of the ring, it was to be passed down to our daughter if we had had children. This being a family heirloom it compelled me to return it even tho it's been decades since my ex and I last spoke and not even sure he'd want it back. After posting here for advice, I decided I needed to do this for his family.
I had the ring professionally cleaned at a jeweler and given a pretty box to put it in. While I was there I took the advice of one commenter and ordered myself a ring. Instead of an inset diamond, I gave mine a ruby. It was my grandmother's name and she never gave up on me and it seemed fitting considering the other ring belonged to a great grandmother. I decided to have maybe a cliche engraving of the word "forward" because that's how I've made it here to where I am now, by moving forward.
My ex lives about 2 hours into town and I had a girl friend come with me. First we drove by and there weren't any cars, so we grabbed lunch and tried again. This time someone was home, and I decided to leave things be. I had my friend go up to the door and knock. I saw him open the door. She handed him the package and pretty much headed straight back to the car. He didn't say much, she told me. Seemed a bit confused, but thanked her and that was it.
I didn't get to see if it made him happy or if he called his mother saying the ring found its way home. I imagine him beaming while explaining the ring to his wife as he passes it to his daughter. It is fun to imagine. (I also imagine a lot of crying and hugging, but that's probably going too far).
I had a note with it. I wrote almost exactly what a commenter suggested: "It's been an honor and privilege to be part of the history of this ring. Please accept it back with best wishes to your family and to your daughter's engagement."
In a way, I kinda like not knowing how everyone reacted. I can daydream about it, my own fairytale. I didn't include any way to contact me, just my name. I found him and feel if he wants to, he'll find me. But I don't see much point. Our time was short and it ended and this is probably the best closure I never expected. It makes my heart lighter. Thank you all for helping and sharing this with me.
Tl:Dr After the divorce I had kept the ring and now I've returned it back home. I probably won't ever know how well it was received, but I imagine happiness and that's what I'm sticking with. | 29,320 | 2022-10-25T08:44:24 | My (53F) ex-husband's daughter announced she's getting married. What should I do with their family's heirloom ring? | REPOST | rainingsakuras | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/yczsfy/my_53f_exhusbands_daughter_announced_shes_getting/ | false | false | [
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yczwrl | This is a new update on an ongoing story. Due to the length -and the fact that this story now has 16 posts- I am linking the OOP's post history page instead of pasting the text and links of the entire series here. The original posts were made by u/ThrowRAdadarrived in r/relationship_advice, beginning back in Dec 2021, with the newest update on September 28, '22.
[OOP's post history ](https://www.reddit.com/user/ThrowRAdadarrived/submitted/)
*In his last update, OOP had been slowly building a friendship with his bother. He realized he was holding onto some anger in regards to his dad but didn't really understand why. His parents were learning how to co-parent and had started dating.*
Newest post:
[What I've Learned](https://www.reddit.com/user/ThrowRAdadarrived/comments/xqv5fi/what_ive_learned/
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I started therapy about a month and a half ago. I didn’t really know what I wanted out of it if I’m being honest. I knew that I was getting upset about a lot of things my dad said and did. I knew it was something that I needed to work on.
I got mad at him over really stupid things. Like he would call Ryan about 50 nicknames, similar to the way Ryan used to talk to me except of course none of my dad’s nicknames for Ryan were negative. They all had a story attached. I got to hear about how he calls Ryan “Cricket” because Ryan was such a loud hyper child. I know the story of why Ryan is sometimes called “Ry Guy.” I can recite the origin stories of the names “Waterworks,” “Game Time,” and “Nate” among several others.
Some of the stories are admittedly funny and entertaining. I know the ABC’s of Ryan and it makes me incredibly jealous. I’m not ignorant to that fact. I even admitted that to Ryan months ago. And just to be clear, I have not and will not take it out on Ryan. He and I are good. We’ve had a few disagreements and we’re not best friends or anything but we are friends. I know it’s not his fault that he has a good relationship with our dad and I would never try to make either of them feel guilty for that. It’s a me problem. But it’s so frustrating to have to hear all these stories about their relationship. Even though I’m positive that neither of them mean for it to be, to me it’s like a constant “Hey, did you know we have years of wonderful memories together?” reminder.
My attitude with my dad sort of came to a head when he tried to give me “the talk” because I’ve been spending more time alone with my girlfriend. I don’t wanna go into a bunch of details about my romantic life but put simply, he’s a year late on having that talk with me. I had that talk with my mom when I got my first serious girlfriend at 16. I’m careful. I want to go to college, graduate, and live my own life first. I don’t want to be a dad until I’m 30, if ever. My brain is so screwed up with my own issues and history regarding my own two dads that I’d probably be a terrible father and mess that hypothetical kid up more than I am tbh.
Anyway, he just kept wanting to talk about it. He wanted to lecture me on the importance of proper condom usage and how he’d provide them for me, no questions asked. He wasn’t being weird about it or anything. It was basically the same talk my mom gave me which might’ve been why it made me so annoyed, because I felt like I was retreading old ground.
Then I said it. I said something mean and uncalled for. He was just trying to help me stay on course with my life plan. I should’ve just nodded and let him give his speech. But I had to open my big mouth and make a smartass comment. It worked. It got him to stop. But it also hurt his feelings to the point where he just left the condoms and walked out. I hated myself. I still hate myself for saying it. I apologized and he forgave me. But that was when I knew that I needed to get into therapy. I didn’t wanna keep treating him like that.
I thought that I was being too sensitive, and in a way I probably am, but my therapist was able to help me realize why all this stuff bothered me so much. It’s a big part of the reason that I’m so angry with my dad. I know the story. I know that he genuinely didn’t know about me and I believe him 100% when he says he would’ve been involved in my life if he had known about me.
I thought that my issue was that he wasn’t what I expected a father to be. I said in my last post that I had an image in my head of what a father is and he didn’t really fit it. It wasn’t until my therapist asked me to put aside what I thought a father is supposed to be and tell her what kind of a father I wanted him to be that I had a realization.
I like who my dad is. I don’t want him to be different. I like that I don’t have to worry about him pressuring me to be a certain kind of man. I like that I feel comfortable talking to him about anything, sometimes more comfortable than talking to my mom if I’m being honest. I don’t want him to be the stereotypical “normal” father that I see in my friend’s dads.
What I realized is that my issue was never that he wasn’t what I expected. It’s that the relationship itself isn’t what I expected. He and I don’t have a normal father-son relationship. We don’t even have a normal parent-child relationship. And we never will.
We’ll never have memories of each other from my childhood. When I think of my mom I think of all the times she held me when I cried, took care of me when I was sick, taught me how to talk to people, handle difficult situations, and how to treat others with respect. Things that matter. Things that made me who I am now. The fact is that I’ve already grown up.
That’s not to say that I have all the answers in life because I know I definitely don’t. But what is there left for my dad to teach me? How to file taxes? How to...I can’t even think of a second option. I’m sure there are things he can teach me about being an adult but the reality is that none of those will carry the same weight as my memories of my mom raising me.
It’s no fault of his own. I know that. But it is the way things are. And that just... sucks. We have bonded. I do feel a connection with him. I felt it the first time he hugged me. And I do love him. I know that he loves me too. But I don’t love him at the same level that I love my mom. And I’m sure even if he’d never admit it that he doesn’t love me at the same level he loves Ryan. Most parents say they love all their kids equally and maybe that’s true for those that raised their kids from birth. But how can a grown child you’ve known for 9 months compare to the kid you raised for 17 years? It’s a hard pill to swallow.
My therapist is suggesting my dad come in for one of my sessions. She says I need to be honest with him and tell him how I feel about our relationship. That should be completely terrifying. Not exactly looking forward to that.
And I know people have commented before that I come off detached and emotionless in my posts. I wanna assure you that I’m not a robot. I do have emotions. I just try to keep my online posts neutral. In real life I’m obnoxious in text messages with emojis to get my emotions and the tone of my message across accurately. Emoji use just isn’t the norm here on Reddit so I just like to lay out the facts.
In regards to actual update stuff, there’s not really much to tell. I did meet Ryan’s mom, officially. I had seen her from afar once before at an event but never spoke to her directly. That changed last week.
Ryan had been coming here to my town a lot after school to hang out with us. I guess he neglected his studies and ended up doing bad on his first physics test. His mom was not happy. He didn’t show up here for a few days and told his mom he’d already studied and learned the class material and would do better on his next test.
Well his mom is a teacher so she gave him a makeup test. I’m not sure if she made the test herself or if she got a test from one of the teachers at her school or from his actual physics teacher. Either way, Ryan aced the test and proved to his mom that he wasn’t lying about studying what he missed before. I never thought he was stupid but I definitely think he doesn’t apply himself as well as he could.
She still said she didn’t like that he was coming here so much during the week. He was coming here usually two times (sometimes three) a week after school and on weekends when he wasn’t at his mom’s house. Sometimes he’d eat dinner here with our dad and I know he was doing his homework here but I guess he wasn’t doing it right or maybe just rushing it.
So my dad said that she wanted to meet me and my mom since he’s spending so much time here. My dad had no problem with it but Ryan was really nervous which was making me nervous. My dad reassured me that Ryan’s mom is a reasonable person and that Ryan was just nervous because he wanted his mom to like us so she would have no problem with him coming here.
She came for dinner on Friday. She and I shook hands and after that she kinda stared at me then looked at my dad and said I really do look just like he used to. That was all she said to me at first. We ate dinner and it was pretty normal. They were just exchanging work stories mostly and Ryan and I were kind of having our own conversation. They brought us into the conversation a few times but never really brought up Ryan’s grades or visits.
After dinner she came and sat with me on the living room couch and asked me if Ryan was happy. The question caught me off guard because I was expecting her to grill me about what he does when he’s here and what our friends are like. I told her the truth which is that I do think he’s happy. When I met him he was very angry and closed off. I’m not sure how much of that was simply because of the fact that I popped up in his life and how much was already there before. But he does seem to be in a much better place than he was at the beginning of the year.
She told me that she appreciates me inviting him to hang out with us but that she’d appreciate if I could ease up on the after school invites unless it’s an important event. She wanted him to just come on the weekends and focus on school during the week. I wanted to tell her that I don’t even invite or see him half the time that he’s here. He hangs out more with Austin and Trevor when he comes. Sometimes I only see him for about 15 minutes when he stops by to say hi to me and my mom before heading home to go eat dinner with our dad. Sometimes I don’t even know he’s here unless he or one of our friends tell me or post it online. But I just kept my mouth shut because I doubt that information would change anything.
They told Ryan and I to go upstairs to my room. So he and I hung out there while our parents talked. I told Ryan what his mom had said and he wasn’t happy. He says it’s not a big deal if he shows up as long as he keeps his grades up and doesn’t flunk another test. He doesn’t like the idea of only being able to come every other weekend but that’s between him and his mom so idk how that’ll pan out.
After our parents talked Ryan left with his mom because it was her weekend with him. The last thing she said to me was that she’s glad Ryan has a brother because he always wanted a sibling when he was younger (he definitely didn’t show it when we first met ☠️) but she wasn’t going through another pregnancy. Her and my mom started laughing and comparing how mine and Ryan’s dad apparently gave them both difficult pregnancies. It was weird. Ryan and I both thought there was no way our moms would get along, especially with my mom and dad dating, but they genuinely seemed to like each other. Anyway they left and that was that.
One thing I did notice is the way my dad’s behavior changed. He’s a very physically affectionate person in general. He always gives me and Ryan hugs. He’ll put his arm around us when he’s talking to one of us. He’ll even give our friends a high five when he agrees with them or wants to congratulate them on something.
With my mom he’s obviously way more affectionate. He’ll hug and kiss her constantly. They’re worse than me and my girlfriend with that stuff. But when Ryan’s mom was there he barely did anything with my mom. When I asked why after Ryan and his mom left he told me it was out of respect for his ex wife. He said he and Ryan’s mom are still friends and there’s no need to put his new relationship on display. He also said that being overly affectionate like that may make people feel uncomfortable even if there’s no history involved.
I’ve never really thought of stuff like that. He had to be in a weird position to have his ex wife and current girlfriend, both of them respective mothers to his children, having dinner together. But he still managed to be respectful to both and the dinner was a complete success. I wish I had that kind of talent to navigate an awkward situation like that.
I know that was a lot of words for a not very interesting event but there’s really not much going on in my life right now. I don’t have drama thankfully. My parents want me to focus on school since it’s my last year so I moved down to being a seasonal employee at my job. Which means I have a LOT more free time and I’ve even written 9 chapters of a story I started working on about a month ago. Life is pretty good for me right now. Spooky season (my favorite time of the year!) is coming up so pretty excited for that too.
A few people had asked about my uncle on my last post. I do have an update on that but unfortunately it’s not a good one. My dad hired one of his PI friends to locate his brother. My dad said he’s wanted to look for him several times but always decided against it. Seeing me and Ryan has brought a lot of those memories back up for him and he decided it was time to try. My uncle lives a couple hours away from my home. My dad called the number a few weeks ago and got my uncle’s voicemail. He left a message and his phone number but never heard back. He was crushed. I wish my uncle would’ve at least called him back but it’s been 20 something years so I guess maybe he doesn’t care about making amends anymore. Idk. I feel awful for my dad. He was really hoping to reconcile with his brother. I told him to write a letter but he said it’s better not to push it right now and that my uncle has the contact info if he ever wants to reach out.
Hope all is well for everyone. Sorry I don’t have more exciting updates. Life has been pretty dull for me lately. I appreciate anyone who is still checking in though. Take care!
*Someone asked for a tldr of the uncle situation so I thought I'd add it in here: Something happened between dad and the uncle a long time ago. Dad has not told him what exactly happened but it resulted in the uncle going completely no contact with the rest of the family. OOP has tried to ask about it but dad isn't ready to talk about it.* | 1,290 | 2022-10-25T08:52:44 | My Mom Lied To Me & My Real Dad Just Showed Up NEW Update (RA Sept 28, '22) | ONGOING | KittenDealinMama | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/yczwrl/my_mom_lied_to_me_my_real_dad_just_showed_up_new/ | false | false | [
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yd5w48 | # I am not OP. This is a repost sub!
***Intro/Context***
* */u/oskar_potocki is a [Rimworld](https://rimworldgame.com/) mod-maker. His mods are quite popular in that gaming community. You can see his various (quite extensive) mods released by visiting the posts on his profile.*
* *In one of the mods called "Vanilla Factions Expanded - Insectoids" you can see the art for a "Queen of Insects" or "Empress Evil" used extensively not only in the mod game assets but also in promotional Reddit posts*:
* *[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/gbn1c4/vanilla_factions_expanded_insectoid_coming_may/), [and here](https://www.reddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/gkkr6k/we_are_very_close_to_release_now_vanilla_factions/)*
* *Both of these posts were made by OOP leading up to the mod's release. (Although these posts were made 2 years ago, the OOP had been working on this as far back as 2018).*
**Over 2 years later, /u/Goatmaster3000_ made a post:**
[The storyteller picture for Empress Evil seems to be traced.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/xurd2x/the_storyteller_picture_for_empress_evil_seems_to/)
* *The post is mainly detailing how the artwork used in this mod's game assets is a blatant copy of a Twitter artist's work.*
>I was looking up some rimworld stuff and had the thought to check if Oskar Potocki was on twitter, and came across a comment, aimed at a 3d artist called Nazz Abdoel, pointing out that the Empress Evil storyteller pic seems to be a tracing of Abdoel's work. I'm sorry if this is actually old drama or something, and I don't really wanna fling dirt, but it seems wrong to notice a thing like this and not point it out. I'm not 100% sure what's the stance on tracing when it comes to noncommercial fan stuff, but Abdoel is mentioned nowhere on Vanilla Expanded mod pages for Insectoids and Empress.
>Here's a [link](https://twitter.com/macaconheirolul/status/1569433039964356611) to the comment, and also two pics illustrating the similarity.
>And also a direct [link](https://nazz.artstation.com/projects/a0820) to Abdoel's picture.
* *I am adding a link to [this gif](https://imgur.com/a/BjBKqHw) posted by /u/Druan2000 which shows how the image was clearly traced from the art of Nazz.*
* *[This comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/xvg5cw/oskar_potocki_here_formal_apology_please_read_the/ir1n28j/?context=3) also shows the similarity of the two images.*
**OOP responded to criticism with [this comment](https://www.unddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/xurd2x/comment/iqx7b4r/?utm%5C_source=reddit&utm%5C_medium=web2x&context=3 - thanks to /u/zozilin for finding this). It spurred more negative controversy and was later deleted.**
>>It’s inspired, yes. Nazz Abdoel didn’t draw the storyteller art. I did.
**Within a day, OOP made this response post to the same subreddit**:
[Oskar Potocki here, formal apology! Please read the comments before downvoting.](https://old.reddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/xvg5cw/oskar_potocki_here_formal_apology_please_read_the/)
* *It is an image (screenshot of an email) - the text is below*:
>Hello Nazz Abdoel!
>My name is Oskar and I'm a mod creator for a game called RimWorld. Back when I first started modding the game, I was looking to draw a character representing the 'Queen of the Insects' in the style of Rimworld game.
>I stumbled upon your artwork on some website I was browsing for inspiration, and I have shamelessly 'traced' your artwork under the link below:
>https://nazz.artstation.com/projects/a0820
>As you can see, the resemblance is uncanny. Four years ago, I didn't think much of it, but now I see that it wasn't the best way, and nowadays I would never allow myself to do such a thing. There is a big difference between inspiration and tracing and I fear I have crossed it.
>I'd like to profusely apologize for that. I have already replaced the artwork with a brand new commissioned art piece to which I have full commercial rights.
>As it was used in a free mod for a game, I did not profit financially from it. I would however like to offer to buy you RimWorld game with all the DLC as a gesture of good will. If you reply to this email, we will arrange it (I believe I would have to add you on Steam to purchase you a gift).
>I would like to once again apologize, it was unprofessional and I have nothing to say in my defence.
>I hope this message finds you well
>>Oskar Potocki
**OOP also made [this top-level comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/xvg5cw/comment/ir0ord4/) on his own post:**
>Hey there folks, Oskar here!
>Recently there has been a lot of commotion about the particular asset of one of my mods: Empress Evil storyteller artwork in Vanilla Factions Expanded - Insectoids.
>This mod has been developed 4 years ago, with some assets for it being done before my first mod even hit the workshop. I was a different person then than I am today (younger and more vigorous that's for sure).
>I knew my mod needed a storyteller artwork to really shine, but the issue was, storyteller art took me dozens and dozens of hours to make, and I wanted to cut corners to get the mod out sooner.
>I have indeed found an image of a Centipede that I found inspiring enough... and then I made the mistake of just outright tracing it, because no matter what I tried to change in it, I was unable to make it look good. I was frustrated.
>I didn't think much of it then - sure, it was traced, but not one element of the original work was kept, except for the actual pose and the design of the creature.
>I went down the river of new releases and completely forgot about what I have left behind me - in this instance, it was a terrible lack of professionalism.
>I plan to make amends, and I have contacted the author of the original Centipede informing him about what happened. I have since then taken down the centipede artwork and replaced it with a new one.
>Some of you have said that 'now that we caught you, you're replacing it', but the truth is, the new Empress Evil artwork has been done 3 months ago and I had plans to replace it for quite some time, as it didn't quite feel right to have it there. I just hoped noone will notice before I make amends - that part is true.
>I apologized to the original artist and I also apologize to all of you who might've felt cheated by me.
>I hope you can be understanding and let this thing slide, so that I can keep releasing new mods that make you all enjoy this wonderful game even more.
>And I hope none of you will comment things like 'I think you should give up modding', because I saw some of these comments, and they are *really* not a nice thing to say!
**OOP later made [this comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/xvg5cw/oskar_potocki_here_formal_apology_please_read_the/ir2nkhs/) in addition to the same post**:
>I have received a reply from the artist. Of course I don't want to share private correspondence, but Nazz is a great dude who accepted my apology. We are exchanging emails and he was super happy about getting RimWorld, as he said he is a gaming enthusiast himself.
>I have sent the email to the moderator team who can verify it.
>I have learned my lesson and I can rest easy now, knowing that the person I harmed has forgiven me. Who knows, we might see more of Nazz in RimWorld if picks up modding as well!
* *The [old image](https://preview.redd.it/6sn5r6jivmr91.png?width=630&format=png&auto=webp&s=416318d4ed15796344f6e598f729b1c1887874dd) vs. the [new (current) image](https://imgur.com/4h3tMPo) in use*
# Reminder: I am not OP. This is a repost sub! | 1,199 | 2022-10-25T14:14:32 | Game modder traces art from Twitter artist and gets called out, issues apology | CONCLUDED | swantoes | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/yd5w48/game_modder_traces_art_from_twitter_artist_and/ | false | false | [
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ydamq4 | *I figured it's been a while since we got a good* r/MaliciousCompliance *story on this sub, and I stumbled into this one! They're less "updates" than they are additions to the "compliance", so I won't mark the other posts as updates because I feel that wording is incorrect. Also, marked as concluded at a mod's suggestion*
**I am not the OP, which is** [**u/dead\_PROcrastinator**](https://www.reddit.com/user/dead_PROcrastinator/)**. These were all posted in** r/MaliciousCompliance
**Original Post -** [You want me to take my jacket off? You got it boss!](https://www.reddit.com/r/MaliciousCompliance/comments/pu5n3z/you_want_me_to_take_my_jacket_off_you_got_it_boss/) (Posted Sep. 23, 2021)
I work at a secondary education institution. Anyone who has worked in academia will confirm that it's a different brand of crazy. Adding on to that, our staff has no balance in gender or ethnicity - so it's the opposite of toxic masculinity (Toxic femininity? Doesn't quite roll off the tongue). Anyway, with weak management, it has essentially become a Mean Girls Club. The Boss Lady's PA is basically Queen Bee with the rest of us being lowly worker bees. As I am not someone to kiss ass, I am often not very well liked, hence the lowest worker bee.
Work buys staff shirts for everyone with our logo on, about three or four times a year. They are usually nice golf shirts, or button up shirts. But the last time? Oof. This is an actual shirt Queen Bee was wearing one day. Boss Lady literally squealed in delight like a toddler when she saw it, insisting that all of us get one of those. Guys. Let me describe this monstrosity.
It was mainly navy blue, with a type of print. Think paisley, but not quite. This shirt was filled with cartoonish squiggles and doodles that made absolutely no sense. Apples, fleur-de-lis, sea shells, even tiny little fish skeletons. They danced and merged in every direction, in violent shades of teal, beige, salmon pink, turquoise green and neon purple (So versatile! You can wear it with so many different colours!). And if the design wasn't bad enough, the fit was even worse. A size that normally hugs my figure, fit me like a circus tent. It billowed out from right under my boobs and was so long, the bottom seam came in just above my thighs - the most unflattering cut I have ever worn. It was like a blind person tried to make maternity wear and changed their mind halfway through. It was also sleeveless.
The only one of us who voiced her reservation was forced to give it back. She was visibly happy that she wouldn't have to wear it, and this pissed management off. The shirt was made mandatory on Mondays. Being a person that never gets hot, I wore a jacket over it every time, showing as little of it as I could. One day, to solidify our loyalty, it was decided to take a group photo that purposefully excluded the shirtless one. Being super short, I was placed in front. Boss Lady looked us over and promptly declared "ZM, you'll remove your jacket, thank you".
I replied that I would really rather not. She insisted, and we go back and forth. But they were all of them deceived... I'm quite reserved, so no-one at work really knows me. I never wear anything sleeveless, because I have tattoos all over my shoulder and halfway down my upper arm. I always look "normal" and professional, wearing tailored jackets, cardigans or three-quarter sleeves. Cue malicious compliance...
"You want me to take my jacket off?"
"I insist!"
"No exception?"
"None"
I remove my jacket and toss it out of the frame in one of the coolest gestures I have ever been able to perform. I turn forward with my left shoulder facing the camera, and reveal a grim reaper with a sweeping scythe and blue wings (that actually matched the ghastly shirt quite well, now that I think about it). There is a noticeable intake of breaths, and the whole group falls silent, waiting in anticipation to see who would triumph. It was like a shootout between two gunmen in a Western.
I look at her blankly, internally screaming "Dafuq you gonna do now bitch?!" and I'm pretty sure she heard me. Boss Lady realizes she can't go back on what she said without looking like even more of an ass than she already does, and turns to face the camera. Y'all, that was one of my favourite pictures of all time.
Pissed off Boss Lady in front, with a smile that just "doesn't reach her eyes". Tatted up admin immediately to her left with the biggest grin in the whole picture. Everyone else's faces were a mixture of amusement and confusion, Queen Bee slightly frowning as she was still trying to figure out what the fuck just happened. Marketing showed it to me before deleting it and we had a few laughs - needless to say, that photo did not make it into the newsletter, as was originally intended.
TLDR; I wear a jacket to hide a hideous work shirt we are forced to wear. Boss orders me to take it off for a photo. I comply and show my unorthodox tattoos, ruining their photo in the process.
**Second Post:** [You want your team to wear makeup? You got it!](https://www.unddit.com/r/MaliciousCompliance/comments/rdy3g7/you_want_your_team_to_wear_makeup_you_got_it/) Posted Dec. 11, 2021 (recovered via unddit)
My SO and I worked at the same place for a while. He was the only man on the team. The woman who was the boss's pet would dress in "vintage" clothes and always wore disturbingly bright shades of makeup. One day during a staff meeting, the boss was extremely annoyed that Pet was "the only one wearing makeup, who cares about looking professional". Most of us *were* wearing makeup and lipstick, just more neutral and normal colours.
Well, before the next meeting, the women were passing around a ridiculously bright lipstick and eye shadow - to prove a point, we would all go in looking like hookers. My SO looks on and asks "What about me?" I knew the look on his face promised a good time to come. To the rest of the team's surprise, he slathered on the offending colours.
As the meeting started, the boss looked at each of us in turn and smiled. But the look of horror on this sexist, fifty puls-year-old, conservative, Christian, white woman's face when she saw my SO practically in drag makeup, was priceless. He just shrugged and said, "You wanted your team to wear makeup - here we are".
She never made a comment about anyone on the team wearing makeup again.
**Final Post:** [You want me to wear this shirt? Again?? You got it, boss!](https://www.reddit.com/r/MaliciousCompliance/comments/y6ky5a/you_want_me_to_wear_this_shirt_again_you_got_it/) Posted Oct. 17, 2022
So this post follows on a previous post from a year back, regarding a hideous shirt we had to wear to work. You can read that post [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MaliciousCompliance/comments/pu5n3z/you_want_me_to_take_my_jacket_off_you_got_it_boss/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) . I think it's pretty cool. And if I have to recap, this post will be too long.
Socially and politically our work environment is a mean girls club. I work at a secondary education institution, on the Support team. For stupid reasons, a hideous shirt that one of the support staff was wearing one day, became our mandatory Monday shirt.
Cue this week - it's photo week. We are taking group photos of all the staff, learners, and various teams and committees. These are all going in the annual magazine, which is quite a big deal. All staff were informed that they could wear whatever they wished, as long as it lined up with the colour palette of the magazine - this was shared with everyone. They actually chose really pretty shades of pink, peach, mauve, and sky blue.
The Support team was really happy we could skip the ghastly shirt. Until we couldn't. Last week Thursday it was communicated to us that we would wear The Monstrosity. Of the whole institution, our group would be the only one that looked like shit.
The next day (Friday) I was at the hairdresser, and inspiration struck. I already have a short pixie cut that I colour ultra violet (basically very dark brown with a purple sheen). I revealed my plans to my stylist and she loved it.
After my haircut, I went shopping. Now one of the things touted as an 'advantage' of the ugly shirt was the array of colours it contained and how versatile it is, as "you can wear it with so many colours". I just don't think you were meant to wear all the colours together at once.
Now in my previous post, I ruined the photo when the sleeveless shirt unexpectedly revealed the tattoos on my left arm/shoulder. So I knew this year they would strategically place me with my right side facing forward (I know how they compose and space these photos by now, I've been here too long). So imagine their surprise when I pitch up with an asymmetrical pixie cut - long bangs sweeping to the left, regular sideburns to the left. And the right side shaved in a buzz cut. All coloured bright purple. Seriously, when I'm facing that way, I look... different.
So they try to subtly hide me in the middle, at the back, slightly behind the person to the left (to hide those pesky tattoos). Because if I'm facing forward, I look sufficiently professional. But I'm wearing killer platform heels (something I haven't done in ten years) which makes me almost a hand taller than everyone else. I politely decline their request to take my shoes off. So I have to sit in the front.
Now you can clearly see my formal dress pants in bottle green. As well as my undershirt in vibrant teal. My killer heels in pale, sparkly gold. And my wide salmon pink belt. Now, I didn't waste any money on these items. Wearing any of them alone or in different combinations look fine, so I will be using them all.
No matter what they tried, they could not find a way to make the group look "coherently polished and professional". Because one way they had a tatted up admin (if they photoshopped those out, I would complain politely but firmly). The other way they had an angry emo boy. One way the height was off. And the other way they had someone in an ensemble so garish it offended the senses.
This afternoon a while after work, we were informed that the group photo would be redone for the Support team. We were kindly requested to wear the colours as indicated in the colour palette tomorrow. In the group Whatsapp, I commented "Duly noted" and received a ton of pm's joking about it.
On the brighter side, I have received a ton of compliments on the hairstyle. Something so daring, in a sane environment I never would have tried it. I've coloured it back to dark ultra violet (box colour yo, takes 20 minutes), which compliments my light pink dress nicely. And the wide salmon pink belt rounds it off well.
**I am not the OP!** | 3,961 | 2022-10-25T17:31:51 | You want me to take my jacket off? You got it boss! | CONCLUDED | ChulainnRS | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ydamq4/you_want_me_to_take_my_jacket_off_you_got_it_boss/ | false | false | [
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I'm not the OOP. This was posted by u/throw_RA_openlysad in r/relationship_advice.
[Original](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/y41tbk/my_fiance_wants_to_try_an_open_relationship/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) (15 Oct 22)
**My fiance wants to try an open relationship before we get married**
Hi. I'm at a loss of what to do. Me(F25)and my fiance(M24) have been in a relationship for 3 years, 4 years coming up in March. He popped the question a few months ago and I was so excited. I really feel like he is "the one" for me he's amazing in so many ways and I genuinely feel like he feels the same way. Or at least I did.
Last night we ordered takeout for dinner and we were going to watch the newest Rings Of Power episode. He was acting incredibly weird, not very talkative and very fidgety. He usually sits pretty still or relaxed but he kept bouncing his leg and tapping his fingers. Eventually about halfway through the episode he pauses it and says he wants to talk about something extremely important. He sounded so nervous and I immediately got this sinking feeling but I told him everything was okay just to tell me what was going on.
He said it had been on his mind for a while and he didn't know if it was just the nerves of realizing he's about to be married, but he realized that I'm his first "real" relationship. Before me he had only dated a couple people in highschool and it was never long lasting. I asked him where he was going with this and he started crying. He said he was scared since he didn't have a lot of "experience" with other people he was worried if he was making the right decision. Obviously that fucking hurt to hear but I didn't say anything. After dancing around the subject for a bit he finally just said he was thinking an open relationship would be good for us. At least for a little bit.
Honestly the second half of this conversation is a blur because my anxiety was so bad I was hardly listening. He said he loved me and he knows he wants me marry me "no matter what" but he wants to see what other people were like before getting into a lifelong marriage. He cried throughout the whole conversation and he kept reassuring me that I wasn't the problem, he just wanted to "experience" other people since he never really was able to. He said if I agreed to an open relationship there would be lots of rules in place and it would all be very safe.
I feel like our relationship is ruined. I'm obviously not okay with an open relationship. He said I could see other people too but I don't want to. I only have eyes for him. I only want him. I only love him. He kept saying I have every right to say no and he would understand and he would never make me to something I didn't want to do. But the thing is, since he brought this up, if I say no then I'm constantly going to think he's seeing people anyway. It's already happening. I used to have complete trust in him but now I can't stop thinking if he's already seeing other people. Maybe he's bringing this up because he cheated on me and he needs an excuse now. Idk. My mind is everywhere. I don't know what to do. I told him I would think about it and he hugged me. He didn't let go for a long time. I slept on the couch last night I told him I just needed to be alone. Any advice is so so so much appreciated.
[Update](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/y7tbo4/my_fiance_wants_to_try_an_open_relationship/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) (19 Oct 22)
**My Fiance wants to try an open relationship before we get married (update)**
Well. The update isn't great. We called off the engagement and broke up. He swears up and down he didn't do anything but he confessed he brought it up because he had a crush on someone and wanted to try it out.
I had been staying at my friend's house for a few days trying to figure out what I wanted to do. A lot of the people in the comments were a huge help to me mentally I appreciate a lot of you so much. I probably would have gone through with it but you guys pushed me to ask more questions. I asked him what made him start thinking about it and at first he went right back to his "experience" bullshit. I told him if he wanted to "experiment" sexually I would be more than happy to try some things out and I wasn't going to be accepting that as his answer. After a while he caved in and admitted that a girl who works at a coffee shop he visits often asked him for his number and that's when he started to think about it. I was heartbroken and angry to say the least. He had said if we got into an open relationship, people we knew would be off limits. He said she didn't count as someone he knew because he wasn't friends with her and she was still technically a stranger. I told him he DID know her he goes almost every day and she's very friendly with us but either way it didn't matter because he had already told me there was no one he had in mind. He lied to me.
After some more arguing and crying from both of us he told me if I didn't want the open relationship then to just say no and we could move on from this. He was basically begging me not to talk about it anymore he just wanted to move on. I told him it wasn't that easy because I straight up do not trust him anymore. As far as I know, he could have already "experimented" with her. He promised me he never cheated on me and never will. He said he would never go to that coffee place again and if he saw her he would ignore her.
I told him he could see other people, I just wouldn't be in the picture. He got frantic and asked me if I was breaking up with him. I said yes.
I told him a year from now or even a couple years from now, after he gets all his "experience" out of his system and I'm still single and interested we can try again. From the beginning. No engagement. I personally don't see us getting back together but he was crying and clinging onto me. Honestly I'm disgusted.
I'm mostly sad though. Heartbroken. Pissed off. Lost. Confused. Anxious. We had our whole life planned out and ready for us and it got ruined by a stupid fucking crush he had the nerve to ask to "try out" because of "lack of experience"
I'm heading out in a bit to get drunk with some girl friends. I know a few people wanted an update. Sorry it wasn't very happy. Thank you for all of the advice
**Reminder - I'm not the OOP** | 13,853 | 2022-10-25T17:34:54 | OOP's fiancé wants to try an open relationship before they get married. | CONCLUDED | prettiergenghis | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ydaphm/oops_fiancé_wants_to_try_an_open_relationship/ | false | false | [
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ydd6ae | I'm not the OOP. This was posted by u/dry-length4097 in r/trueoffmychest.
TW - >!death threat!<
[Original](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/y0nrsm/i_got_my_nephew_expelled_and_i_dont_regret_it/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) (12 Oct 22)
**I got my nephew expelled and I don’t regret it!!!!!**
This all happened before the summer and I’m still getting shit from everyone in my family
I (24 m) am a teacher and this happened at the end of the school year ( so in June). My brother (38m) married my boyfriends (23m) sister (38 f) 14 year’s ago and had my nephew (15 m) . I truly love my nephew with all my heart but his the biggest brat I have ever met and the worse thing is he is a student at the school my teaching. I don’t have him in any of my classes but my colleges do and they can’t stand him. He’s a mega jerk to everyone and because I work there he thinks he can get away with it. In the beginning I defended him and made sure to scold him every time he did something bad. I have told my brother and he always says “ he don’t behave like that at home so it can’t be true” my parents and my boyfriend agree with him because he’s an angel and can’t do anything wrong.
The day before the school year ended he got fed up with one student for god knows why as that girl never talks or interact with anyone ( she has it bad at home and the school has done everything it can to help). I was walking by when I heard my nephew tell this girl to go and end everything ( Reddit won’t allow me to say exactly what he said). I looked at him in horror and that brat had the audacity to look at me and smile. I lost it dragged him to the principals office with the girl and made him tell him what he did.
Long story short he got expelled ( this was just the final straw). He told the family and Jesus Christ my family has given me so much shit for it. My parents, brother, Sil and boyfriend have told me to go the principal and tell them it was an innocent joke and to have him continue the school year next year I refused and they are giving me the silent treatment ever since.
My boyfriend and I are still together but every time we get into an argument he uses it against me. I told him that if he dose it again me and him are over because I can’t stand getting more shit for doing the right fkn thing.
My parents are still mad at me and my brother has cut me off.
the brat had to change school and form what I’ve heard he has no friends because people heard what he did.
I hope this teaches him a lesson.
Edit: English isn’t my first language or my second language. I’m sorry if it’s hard to understand, I tried my best and used google translate to try to make it as best as I could
[Update](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/y6jcgq/update_i_got_my_nephew_expelled_and_i_dont_regret/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) (19 Oct 22)
**Update! I got my nephew expelled and I don’t regret it!!**
Hey ! Barely been a week but there is an update. First of all I’m really sorry if my first post was hard to understand. This time I am trying my hardest to make it easier to read, I have used translate ti my best ability!!!And also THANK YOU, I honestly felt that I’m not crazy and a shitty uncle for doing the right thing after reading ur comments!!!
So my parents asked me to come and talk to them. My brother was there as was my boyfriend and Sil. They all told me that what I did was unforgivable and that they wanted nothing yo do with me anymore. So I asked them a simple question. If that girl had ended herself what would their excuse be? How would they react? Would they still support him if he went to jail?
I think that’s when it hit my parents how horrible the situation actually was, my mom cried and dad sat there not knowing what to say. I asked them if they would have tolerated me or my brother saying that when we were his age and they said no. They asked me to forgive them and I told them I would but I needed time to clear my head. My boyfriend started to cry, saying his sorry but honestly I can’t be around him anymore, when I saw my parents cry I think I finally come to realize how fked up the situation is. I broke up with him.
I told my brother and Sil they failed as parents and that the school gave them far to many chances and they still failed. I said they have realized a monster and that it’s their fault that he got to where he is!!
My brother started shouting at me but my mom and dad yelled at him and told I was right (yay me). He then sat there and got scolded but them.
I told my brother I don’t want anything to do with him and his family and that one day they would realize what a monster they have created.
I’m done with this now and can move on!!!
THANK YOU GUYS ONCE AGAIN!!!
Edit: some of you say that this is fake and that’s fine if you don’t believe me, I’m not asking you to believe me. This is my experience that I’m willing to share. It has given me a lot of anxiety and this is a way for me to get it out.
**Reminder - I'm not the OOP** | 4,498 | 2022-10-25T19:18:29 | OOP got his nephew expelled. | CONCLUDED | prettiergenghis | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ydd6ae/oop_got_his_nephew_expelled/ | false | false | [
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**I am NOT OP. Original post by** u/CoffeFanatic **in** r/EntitledPeople and r/narcissisticparents
trigger warnings: >!Abuse, molestation, harassment, mentions of pedophilia!<
mood spoilers: >!Upsetting at first but then happy/relief!<
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[My mother is psycho and entitled Part 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/EntitledPeople/comments/o7d5v1/my_mother_is_psycho_and_entitled_part_1/)\- June 24 2021
Some backstory: My mother and I have never gotten along. Ever since I was little she has gone out of her way to be very toxic, controlling and overbearing over every aspect of my life while giving my siblings more freedom. This amped up when my kid was born.
Me - Me
B - My Kid
EM - Entitled Mom
Like I said in my backstory, EM and I have never gotten along. She liked controlling my money, my personal life, it was awful. The fights alone were good enough to be on television as one of those reality TV shows. I had lost good relationships with boys, even friends because of her.
After B was born, her controlling ways got even worse. She butt in on my parenting, essentially taking over as B's primary care giver and decision maker. She told me that because I lived in her house it was her right as the grandmother to do whatever she liked and if I didn't like it, I could sign off my rights to B and leave. Of course I refused to do this and stayed because I wouldn't abandon my little B.
I will admit that I wasn't in the best financial position when I had B. B's father and I had broken up and forced me to move back home with EM. I hated it. Over the next couple of years, I let EM have her way all the while working my ass off at a night job and was saving money.
She stole the money I had saved up more than once, so I was forced to get a bank account. I was fine with paper checks and cashing them at our local check cashing place up until that point but because she kept stealing, (claiming my money was her money), I had to get creative with where I hid my cash until I got the bank account. Because it was a bank issued debit card, it requires a pin to purchase things. I of course came up with a special pin number that she would never guess.
One night I am cooking dinner for my son and I and EM bursts in demanding to know where my money is. I tell her that I had set up a bank account for myself. She. Flipped. Out. She demanded to know the pin to my debit card so she could take out the money and I gave a big. Fat. NO. She screamed at me for being selfish and that she deserves the money more than me because me and B live in her house and if I wouldn't give up the pin then she would cut the card into ribbons so neither of us could have it.
By this point, on the advice of a friend, I had begun recording EM whenever she began to misbehave for any reason. After telling EM I wouldn't give up the pin, she grabbed the scissors and chopped my debit card into tiny pieces. I knew I could just go take out cash if I needed to and I had discovered a convenient hiding place where I had been stashing my cash, so I wasn't worried. I requested a new card the next day and went about my business.
Some time later, when I had saved enough, I began looking into apartments. I found one close to work and there was a daycare center a few blocks away, which would be perfect for B and I. I got a friend to go with me and after a bit of talking with my new landlord, I signed the lease, paid the first three months of rent off and got the keys. I was stoked to say the least!
I went to EM's house and began packing right away. She barged into my room without even knocking and asked just what the hell I was doing. Of course, I picked up my phone and began recording right away. I told her that me and B were moving out. Without any hesitation, she began screaming, demanding to know where I was taking HER kid. I refused to tell her. So what does EM do?
She calls the police.
The police arrive and before I had the chance to explain the situation, EM begins ranting and raving that I am kidnapping HER CHILD! HER CHILD!? The officer looks at me with suspicion but then relaxes when I tell him B is my kid and that we are moving out. EM flips out even more, demanding the officer to arrest me and force me to sign over my parental rights to her and to interrogate me into giving up my bank details.
The officer sighed. (That kind of sigh like why the hell he was even called out to this situation.) He told my mother that he could not arrest me for moving out because I'm an adult and B is my child and he couldn't force me to sign over my parental rights, nor could he force me to give up my bank information. He then told her to if she wanted to go for Grandparents Rights, she most certainly could but given how unhinged she is just because I am moving out, it doesn't seem like she is within the right frame of mind to be anywhere near any child, let alone her own grandchild.
This did not go over well at all. As the officer was leaving and I was in the process of packing up some of B's things, EM lunged at me and began scratching at my face. I naturally defended myself and shoved her away from me. She screamed at the officer to arrest me for assaulting her. The officer sighed, again and said he had seen her lunge at me first and me shoving her was me defending myself. He then added that someone would be going to jail tonight and told her to put her hands behind her back. I never felt so grateful for the police in my life. I will add with a part 2.
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[My mother is psycho and entitled Part 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/EntitledPeople/comments/o7h4m6/my_mother_is_psycho_and_entitled_part_2/)\- June 25 2021
First off: Thank you to the supportive comments from Part 1. Secondly, Part 2 is a doozy so strap in and enjoy the crazy train ride.
Again:
Me
B - My kid
EM - Entitled Mother
While EM was being carted off to jail for a nice, relaxing cool down in lockup for the evening, I took the opportunity to pack everything I could within the time I had. My siblings were understandably upset EM had been arrested but after explaining the situation, they didn't really try to stop me either.
I secured a moving van and packed up everything and went to my new apartment with B. A friend helped me unpack some basic things, helped me set up B's bed, and we got Chinese food. The feeling of relief swept over me like a tidal wave. After years of abuse, stealing, being controlled and being stolen from I was free. I don't think I ever cried so hard. (I'm still in therapy)
Eventually, I was unable to continue working nights because finding child-care at those hours was impossible and almost everyone in my family had disowned me for "hurting EM." I found a job that paid close to $3000 a month and it was above my skill level but thankfully it had a full training program and I was able to afford the daycare close by and still make enough to pay the bills and have a little extra for saving and fun things for me and B to do on the weekends.
While I was glad to get away from EM, B would often say he missed her and how much he liked the presents she gave him. While I didn't let B go without, he certainly wasn't getting as much as he did before. Of course I didn't want to shatter his view of his grandmother and break his little heart but I didn't want to lie to him either. I told him that EM was no longer in our lives because she treated me very poorly and it had gotten to the point where I couldn't handle it anymore. B is 7 now. He understands when adults are being mean to each other. He knows EM was mean to me but he did like that she was nice to him. He's a kid so I won't hold that against him, even if it makes me grumble a litte.
Fast forward a year. I had made our apartment into a home. B's bedroom was stocked full of toys, clothes, a bed, books and the fridge was always full. On my income I was able to buy myself the queen bed of my dreams. I afforded us a comfortable life. While we weren't rich, we had enough money to live and having financial stability was something I never thought I would have under EM's control. I had even started seeing a very awesome guy I had met at a luncheon my boss was throwing. We hit it off immediately and B absolutely adores him.
After having NC with EM for the year, I was surprised to see I had a message over Facebook from one of my siblings. They asked me if I'd be willing to talk to EM and try mending the rift because she missed B and wanted to mend our broken family for B's sake. I didn't want to. I felt like this was some ploy to get her claws into B and hurt me again. Just looking at the message made me have a PTSD episode. I was scared. Very scared.
After my boyfriend helped me to calm down and told me that talking to my therapist might help, I called her and set up an emergency appointment. My therapist told me that EM reaching out might be sincere and the most that will happen is the visit going bad and I go back to NC again. I wasn't worried about there being an argument. I was worried EM might steal, or worse kidnap B if I turn my back. My paranoia was all over the place.
After thinking it over for a while, I decided not to let fear control me. I messaged my sibling back and we made plans to meet up in a public place for lunch. I agreed to bring B with me but I made the condition that my boyfriend would join us as well. My sibling wasn't happy with this but hesitantly agreed. Red flag #1.
As the day of the lunch approached, EM sent a message to me on Facebook, saying how much she missed B and that she had loads of presents for him. I said I am sure he will be very grateful for the gifts and EM said she had one for me too. To avoid an argument I thanked her and told her I would see her at the lunch. She assured me I would be shocked when I opened my present with a devil grin emoji... Red flag #2.
On the day of the lunch my anxiety was shooting through the roof. I kept changing my mind but my boyfriend assured me he would be there for my every step of the way and if I was uncomfortable and wanted to leave, we would grab B and get the fuck out of there. After some more freaking out, we got into the car and arrived at the restaurant.
My boyfriend was kind enough to offer to pay for everyone's lunch and EM took full advantage, ordering the most expensive thing on the menu, including an expensive cocktail and even an extra dish to take home for later. I was understandably annoyed at this but my boyfriend simply smiled and said whatever EM wanted.
After we ate, B and EM hugged and B opened all of the gifts she had gotten for him. He was super happy and excited to take everything home to play with them but EM stopped him and said that the toys would be for her house and that B was welcome to come play with them whenever he wanted. I nearly spat out my drink. This got EM's attention and she smiled at me (that smile was faker than fake) and said she wanted to hand deliver my gift in person. She handed me a large brown envelope.
I almost didn't want to take it, worried she had put anthrax or something in it but I took it and opened it. She was petitioning the court for Grandparents Rights. I immediately exploded, standing and throwing the papers at her, shouting at her that she will never get her hands on B and she would over my dead and rotting corpse. I grabbed B, my boyfriend and we immediately left. B was sad he couldn't keep the gifts but I promised to buy all of them for him myself and we didn't need EM in our lives.
I felt humiliated and tricked. The only good thing to come out of this horrible episode is that they were left with the bill.
There is more so Part 3 is coming.
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[My mother is psycho and entitled Part 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/EntitledPeople/comments/o7hs4y/my_mother_is_psycho_and_entitled_part_3/)\- June 25 2021
Continuing on from part 2.
Me - Me
B - My kid
EM - Entitled Mother
In the last entry, EM was petitioning for Grandparents Rights. I had never been involved with the courts before. I was pretty freaked out, not to mention terrified of the lies EM might tell them about me. After some talk with my boyfriend and therapist, they urged me to hire an attorney. I found a fantastic family law attorney who was incredibly kind but very direct and didn't bullshit me.
I still had flash drives of recordings of the times my mother abused me, a lot of the arguments we had but my attorney dashed any hope of using them. Audio recordings weren't admissible unless both parties agreed to be recorded. I almost gave up hope on the spot but he assured me that my EM's previous arrest and the testimony of the officer who had arrested her the night I moved out, plus my boyfriend's witness statement and the fact that EM hadn't seen B in over a year was more than enough for a judge to deny EM of any Grand Parent rights.
At the hearing, in classic Karen form, EM played the victim, stating that I was the aggressor the night I moved out. That I smoked weed around B and I was a prostitute who brought strange men into her home and slept with them in front of B. She came up with so many lies during the hearing, that I swear shit was about to start spewing from the browns of her eyes. She even went so far as to accuse my boyfriend of molesting B! The judge then asked if she had any proof of these claims and she looked at me with that fake motherly tone saying she didn't want to ruin her precious daughter's life but this whole thing has forced her hand and she is looking out for her grandchild's best interest. I couldn't contain the snort that I audibly let out.
After my siblings testified (they merely repeated the lies but couldn't provide any proof), the judge dismissed her testimony as heresay but did order me to undergo a drug test. When it was my turn to testify, I detailed the years of abuse and theft. I told the judge about the money that EM had stolen from me many times and the time she cut up my debit card because I wouldn't give her my pin number. I even reiterated about how she demanded the cop arrest me and to force me to give up my bank details. When I stepped down from the stand, the officer was called in to testify. EM turned white as a ghost. The officer cooborated my story.
EM began shouting at the officer, calling him a liar but the judge had the police report in front of him. He warned EM he would hold her in contempt of court if she continued with her outburst. My therapist and my boyfriend also testified. The judge denied EM's petition for Grand Parents rights. He even said he believed she was in deep need of counseling and that she displays instability to the point it is disturbing. EM was shaking with rage. She held her compoure...shockingly and just walked out of the court room, glaring at me as she passed by. Outside the courtroom, I told my siblings that I will never let EM into my life or B's life after this and if they continued to side with her, then they too will have to accept that I will have NC with them.
My boyfriend (who I married) and I agreed to try putting EM and that side of the family behind us. Because I had no family who cared, our wedding was small with only his side in attendance. I didn't mind. His family had welcomed B and I openly and accepted us. We moved into a larger home just a few miles away from my old one and agreed we wanted to start a family together and give B a little sibling. If there is one thing that helped me get through the years of torture, it was being a mom and I'm damn good at it. Husband even legally adopted B to claim as his own.
You'd think this would be a happy ending but nope, the bitch is like herpes. She keeps coming back. Part 4 soon.
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[My mother is psycho and entitled Part 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/EntitledPeople/comments/o7iiej/my_mother_is_psycho_and_entitled_part_4/)\- June 25 2021
I know this is a novel but I'm actually glad to be doing this. It's cathartic in a way. You may notice this all takes place over the course of many years. Just wanted to clarify it didn't all happen at once. This is an accumulation of instances where my EM was toxic and dangerous. Thanks for listening. It means a lot.
Me - Me
B - My kid
EM - Entitled Mother
My boyfriend had proposed and we got married in a small courthouse wedding with his parents and siblings in attendance. It wasn't the big massive wedding of my dreams but we spent the money on our honeymoon, which was fantastic. Fast forward two years.
I am still in therapy and it helps to have a husband I can turn to when I am feeling stressed or my PTSD starts to "flare up," as I call it but I start to notice he is being distant toward me. To make a long story short, he had been cheating on me for well over a year with a co-worker.
I was able to move B and I back to our old apartment complex. It wasn't the same apartment but the transition was pretty easy and I had enough vacation time at work to take a few days off to get everything sorted out. Ex-husband and I divorced but agreed to stay amicable for B's sake.
A few months go by and I was starting to get over the divorce. B and I were spending more time together, and I was supporting him through his favorite thing at that time. Little League. He tried out for the school team and got picked right away. I was so proud of him. It was better than him being obsessed with video games.
After a little time I get a facebook message from one of my siblings again. Therapy had been so great with helping me overcome those emotions so I didn't react as badly as I had before. They wanted me to forgive EM for how she acted and that she was deeply sorry for it and truly wanted to mend the rift. If she was so sorry why didn't she message me herself? She has my facebook. I asked my sibling why now and they said because the divorce, it isn't right that I'm alone now.
I hadn't told anyone in my family about my divorce. I'm pretty much NC with all of them. I'm guessing word just spread around about it. I told my sibling that I was fine and I still didn't want any contact with EM after she lied about me to a judge. Sibling said EM had been in therapy and realizes she was wrong and thought if she messaged me herself, she would just get blocked and ignored.
Hearing that EM was seeing a therapist actually made me happy. Maybe now EM could see that her abuse and torturing me was toxic and that it destroyed our relationship. Because I'm an absolute fucking idiot, I asked my sibling if she could watch my apartment and B while I take a short but much needed vacation with some friends. I would only be gone for the weekend, as we were going to the spa. I also asked sibling NOT to tell EM my address. Just as a measure of safety, I asked my ex-husband to check on my apartment from time to time over the weekend.
I thought this would give B the chance to get to know their family a little and I would get a nice quiet two days of pampering. I drive to the spa and I'm there not even three hours before I get a frantic call from ex-husband. My apartment was trashed, the walls smeared with dog feces and the police are there looking for me. Of course I am panicking at this point and had to drive the hour long trip back home, terrified of what I am about to walk into.
When I get there, I am arrested on the spot for drug possession, child neglect and child endangerment. I am absolutely, 100% SHOCKED by this. I don't do drugs. I don't even smoke weed. I have a couple drinks on occasion but other than that, I'm pretty much a square.
I am hauled down to the police station and interrogated at length about the accusations being labeled against me. EM had made a call to them after seeing her grandson covered in bruises and dog feces. We don't even own a dog. After the police searched my trashed apartment, they found the drugs sitting on my kitchen counter.
Upon hearing that it was EM that called the police on me, my PTSD flared up and I began to have the most severe anxiety attack that I ever had and had to be admitted to the hospital for a psych evaluation. I don't remember much of it because I apparently had fainted many times from the high amounts of stress. The on call therapist told me I was screaming why is "she" doing this to me and that I wanted to die.
After three days of being on medication that made me into a literal zombie, the police came to talk to me again. He told me that EM refused to admit B to the hospital for an examination, stating that she knows he has bruises because she saw them and didn't need a doctor to tell her that HER baby was abused. Ex-husband being the god-send that he is, asked the police to take B from EM's custody and after an extensive examination, B had no bruises, other than the scrapes he got from Little League. He told the officer that EM had told him that she was going to be his mother now. He made sure to drive home the point that EM was scary and he was afraid she may hurt him if he tried to escape.
Both my siblings were questioned and to save their own skins admitted that EM told them to wait until I wasn't home and B was with them so she and my other sibling could go and trash my apartment and plant the drugs. EM denied this but the evidence and all of the instances where she showed her clear mental instability, she was arrested on charges of domestic abuse, theft, destruction of property, lying to police and the worst of all, kidnapping. My siblings were also charged. I also found out that EM being in therapy was a lie and that EM had no intention of changing and was merely biding her time.
I have since been granted a permanent restraining order against EM and my siblings and they are in no way to contact me and if any other relative tries to contact me on their behalf, that would be a violation and they would be charged even more.
I will be in therapy for probably for the rest of my life at this point and B has begun seeing the same therapist. My ex-husband and I are working through our own issues. Knowing that EM will get out of prison at some point, we are considering moving out of state.
Quick edit in case anyone is wondering:
My boss has been the best. He paid for a professional cleaning crew to clean up my apartment and replaced my living room television. (B is happy about that)
I'm sure some might be wondering why I still have anything to do with my ex-husband. We are working through those issues with therapy and there is a lot of trust to build back up but we love one another and are committed to being good for each other as well as B. There are boundaries that we set for one another and he even pays child support to help with B and is even taking him to ball games and the two of them are incredibly close. B already lost his birth father, I don't want him losing his step-father too. It's what works for us and someday I know we'll all be just fine. For now, we are happy with a no-committment friendship while we go through counseling. B is in therapy as well and it helps him a lot to cope with the loss of his birth father and going through the traumatic experience his grandmother had put him through.
I am now talking with a cousin who knows how crazy my mother is and after I moved out all those years ago was ranting about how she could make me suffer for taking B away from her and losing out on all of that money. Greed and mental illness do not mix.
Second Edit:
I wanted to quickly add this because I realize I had glazed over some things. My mother and siblings were all sentenced to jail for their role in destroying my apartment and attempting to frame me, not to mention kidnapping B. Sister got five years, my brother got eight and my mother got fifteen years. I wasn't present for the sentencing portion but I did receive copies of each of their sentences. My mother was ordered to undergo a psych evaluation.
It's been a few days since I posted and a lot of people are suggesting we move out of state. We are considering it. Both ex and I are able to transfer but I am worried about tugging B away from the family he has here. (My ex-husband's family I mean. I have NC with my mother's family). And EX doesn't want to move. He thinks that moving means they have won and that they scared us off. I tell him it's a matter of safety, not pride and he gets that. We're still discussing it whenever B isn't in the room. We have already settled on a location if we decide to move. It would be a big change from our lives here but it would definitely be a nice change. Another thing that is stopping us is our relationship. We aren't married anymore and currently don't live together. EX says in order for things to work, we would need to get married again, or at least move in together. I'm currently thinking about it but I am leaning toward moving B and I back in with him. At least to get away from my old apartment because some of my mother's relatives know where it is. It's a lot to think about but I am discussing it with my therapist as well. She thinks moving would be good for us.
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[My JNM is now in jail for years of abuse and kidnapping](https://www.reddit.com/r/narcissisticparents/comments/o8sy99/my_jnm_is_now_in_jail_for_years_of_abuse_and/)\- June 27 2021 (OP Note- I only added the new information as this post was essentially a rehash of the previous four)
I'm likely going to be in therapy for the rest of my life and my son is now in therapy as well. Bill and I are working through our own issues in couples therapy. While my JNM will spend the next fifteen years in prison for what she's done, I do not want to be anywhere near here when she does. I have a permanent protective order against her and my siblings. They cannot contact me for any reason and if any relative contacts me on their behalf, then it is a violation and they will be charged for violating the protective order.
Bill and I are currently discussing moving to a new state to start over. We can transfer our jobs easily so that isn't stopping us but we would be leaving his family behind and I and my son have grown close with them, despite Bill and I being divorced. I don't know what I would do without them, but I know that me and my son will not be anywhere near this place when the JNLunatics get out of prison.
Edit: So I just received a call from a victims advocate that works through the state police. He told me that my mother had outright REFUSED to undergoe the mandatory psych evaluation in prison, saying her rights were being violated. After the threat of her incarceration lasting even longer than the fifteen years, she relented. From what the VA is telling me, it took about four sessions in total for them to get anything out of her. When she finally opened up, everything she told the psychologist showed that my mother is clearly a sociopath. The VA believes that treatment and the prison time will help my mother, but knowing how good my mother is at putting on an act, I highly doubt it.
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[My crazy mother is contacting me again](https://www.reddit.com/r/narcissisticparents/comments/p97sil/my_crazy_mother_is_contacting_me_again/)\- Aug 22 2021
I truly believed that five states worth of distance would be enough to keep my crazy mother away from me and my son but I was wrong.
My mother was released early from prison, thanks to Covid. Several prisoners in the prison she was at had come down with covid and her along with several others were released. I was not informed as I believe I should have been and I found out in a facebook message from my IL's.
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In case anyone is curious, my mother attempted to frame me by having my brother trash my apartment and smearing dog crap on my walls and planting drugs in my kitchen. My mother made reports against me for abusing my son in an attempt to take my son away from me and put me in jail. My sister was babysitting my son. I had gone to a spa with some friends from work and was only there a couple of hours before my now husband (former ex at the time but we're back together now) called to tell me what was going on at my apartment. I was arrested and interrogated but had to be put into the psych ward from having an anxiety attack and wanting to die. My mother kidnapped my son, but the joke was on her because my husband had legally adopted my son and he was promptly taken out of her house and she was arrested after my siblings squealed on her when they were interrogated.
My mother had done many awful things to me during my childhood and my adult years, including stealing money from me, beating me and trying to take over raising my son. She tried having me arrested for not giving her MY bank details and kidnapping my own child. I went no contact with her after my son and I moved out. Fast forward a few years and the paragraph above was the end result that lead to my mother and siblings going to jail.
My husband (Bill) and I got remarried in a double wedding with my best friend (Barbara) and her now husband (Dave). We all moved to the new state and we were finally getting on with our lives. I transfered from the old branch to the new one and have been working. Bill works from home. We both make good money together and our schedules are flexible so we make time to do family activities with our son every weekend.
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I thought life, even with covid was pretty close to perfect, until a week ago. I was checking facebook at work, like I always do when I have a couple of minutes between calls when I see a message from my IL's. My mother had been released from jail and showed up to their house demanding to know where me and my son were. They refused to tell her and slammed the door in her face. My heart jumped into my throat while reading the message. I then notice I have a message request from someone named Deb. It simply read: "Where are you?"
I'm not stupid and I know it was mother attempting to contact me so I blocked that account and called the police in my old state. They stated that unless I can prove it's her, there isn't much they can do. I hoped that if I kept blocking anyone I don't know who contacts me, things would be fine but I was wrong again.
On my facebook, I do specify where I work, so she found out and contacted the old branch of my job and one of my former co-workers (who was informed of the need for secrecy but didn't care) let it slip where my family and I had moved to. My former boss found out and fired that employee for violating his instructions. He called me to let me know and to apologize for my mother finding out while on his watch. He has since contacted my current boss and now my current co-workers know that if anyone calls looking for me to not say a word and to forward them to our answering service or leave them on hold until they hang up.
Sure enough, mother got the phone number to my job and has been calling up to ten times a day trying to get me on the phone. Thankfully my co-workers have been amazing gate keepers and have not catered to my psycho mother's demands, but simply leave her on hold until she hangs up. I have discarded my old phone carrier and have upgraded to a new plan with a new phone and phone number but my direct work number is public and I can use it no matter where I am in the country.
Mother found it on my Linkedin page and has been calling me non-stop, but she hasn't left any voicemails. She then called from a number that I assumed was a potential client and I answered. I am still panicking from this phone call. It goes as follows:
Me: Good morning, this is (OP).
Mother: Hi, OP. This is your mother.
Me: Mom, you know you're not supposed to contact me.
Mother: I know but I just want to talk to you.
Me: I don't want to talk to you.
Mother: Listen, OP. You can't avoid me forever. This foolish charade of yours has gone on long enough, don't you think? Don't you think it's time you set your selfish wants aside and do what's right for Brandon? He needs his grandmother.
Me: Are you joking? Why the hell would MY SON need you? You tried to kidnap him after having (Brother) smear dog shit on my walls and plant drugs in my apartment. If Bill hadn't adopted him, who knows what you would have done. You need to leave us alone.
Mother: You're not fit to be a mother, OP. You never have been. I can do better for Brandon than you and that brute you're shacking up with. Feel free to keep that man but let my grandson be with a family that truly loves him.
Me: (My blood boiling at this point) Over my dead body.
I then hung up and blocked the number. I contacted the police again and told them what happened and they now acknowledge that she poses a risk to me and my son so they are looking for her. She lost the house she was living in so who knows where she is at this point. One thing about my job that I love is that I can bring my laptop home and take calls and deal with clients from home if I choose but I enjoy working in the office because my co-workers are great and I can meet with clients face to face, but now I have to invite them to my house and that comes with even more anxiety.
School is starting soon so I made sure to fill out my son's emergency packet, including the list of who is allowed to take him out of school for any reason, just in case my mother tries to kidnap him from school. Barbara and Dave are up to speed on everything so they will be keeping a look out while my son and I basically hide away in the house until the psycho bitch gives up. We already have two guns that we keep secure in a safe in our closet. (It's password protected and our son doesn't know it.) I've been going to the gun range to learn how to use mine and to get over my anxiety of them.
I'm also considering self-defense classes.
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[The final nail in my psycho mother's coffin](https://www.reddit.com/r/narcissisticparents/comments/r5hktb/the_final_nail_in_my_psycho_mothers_coffin/)\- Nov 30 2021
Trigger warning. I will be speaking of sexual assault.
Hello, Reddit Fam. It's been a while but I just wanted to get on here and finally give an update, as I now can. If anyone remembers, my mother mistreated me all of my life. She stole from me, abused me, tried to steal my bank details and framed me with drugs so she could kidnap my son. And that is just the abridged version of the crazy shit my mother has done to me.
The last time I heard from her, she had been calling my job non stop, calling me unfit and demanding I give her my son. Since then the police have been searching for her. She had an active warrant in my old state and hid herself away to avoid being arrested but that didn't stop her from contacting me and harassing me with the threats to take my son. My son Brandon who is almost 11 thinks she's a crazy bitch and said if he ever had to go with her, he would jump in front of a semi truck. A bit dark, but I agree with the sentiment...
Because of all of the constant calls and harassing voicemails mother left at my work, my boss had to let me go, which was devastating but I was able to secure a new job quickly. I actually work from home fulltime and get paid more, so I am not too heart broken over the loss. We converted our spare bedroom into my office and not having to doll myself up on the daily and just lounge in my sweats and answer calls has been pretty frickin sweet. It gives me more time with my family and Bill's and my love life couldn't be better and this is evidenced that I am now pregnant with our first child together. I just found out two months ago.
Somehow psycho bitch found out and I don't know how. We didn't announce anything on facebook or tell anyone but my IL's. I secretly think one of them let it slip to a relative and the snowball effect made it's way to my mother's ear because I started getting harassing messages from my uncles, both of whom are convicted pedophiles, demanding to know where I am and no amount of ignoring them or threats of police were making them leave me alone. Eventually I blocked the accounts when I saw ignoring them wasn't working and for a time things were quiet and I felt I could breath a little.
I want to confess something and it is embarrassing. My grandfather on my mother's side molested all of his kids, my mother included. They grew up believing it was the norm and my grandmother did nothing to stop it and let it go on, even encouraged it. My uncles were convicted of raping and molesting my cousin who is now in therapy for life. I don't want to go into more grim detail as it is traumatic even for me, I was also molested by my uncles when I was a kid and I know no amount of jail time has cured them of their sick and twisted ways of thought. Therapy has been instrumental in me moving past my traumatic childhood and given me the tools to be stronger and a good mother to my son. You can see why I want to keep my children as far away from them as possible.
Two weeks I was working and I got a call on my work number. When I picked up, it was mother calling me again. I found out she had hired a PI to find out my new job and my address, which sent me into a rage I had never experienced before. I can't even transcribe it because it mostly consisted of her screaming more threats that not only was she going to take my son but she would now be taking my unborn child. Straight from my belly if need be. As I had a recorder on my phone, I made sure to record the call for the police and hung up on her. I did a reverse call log and saw it was from a google voice number, which if no one knows what that is it is a number you can link to your actual phone number to avoid your private number getting out. I use it with my cell phone.
I called the police and they came over to listen to the recording, but without knowing if she was in my old state or this one, there was little they could do. Tracing the call was pointless as it was from a google voice number. So after talking with Bill, we tried contacting google. After being given the runaround for several days, we finally got hold of someone willing to help. The google voice number was disconnected and the private number blocked from their service.
This must have sent mother into a rage because she called my work number from the actual number to scream at me even more and I finally had her. It was my uncle's number. I could hear my uncle in the background threatening to rape and kill my son. Upon hearing that, after so long, a fire was lit under my ass because I wasn't going to let anyone fuck with my babies. I called the police in my old state and let them know and sent the recording directly via google drive. (If you can't already tell, my job uses google services for everything.)
Within a few days, the police had a search warrant for my uncle's house. From what I was told, my uncle resisted and was arrested after getting zapped by a taser. Mother, who thought she was so smart was found hiding in a closet and taken into custody. My other uncle is also now in custody for the continued harassment of me. They searched my uncle's computer and found files upon files of CP, pictures of me and my son, chat logs between him and underage girls of varying degrees of disgusting, including disgusting pictures. My other uncle confessed to knowing everything and agreed to testify for a lesser charge.
Between the three of them, there are enough charges to keep them behind bars for more than a decade and this time my mother can't use covid as an excuse to walk away free. I am finally free. My family is safe and I am okay.
I've been told they were denied bail and I will have to travel to my old state to testify against them but because of covid and a lot of other cases ahead of them, they will likely not see the judge for two years. Fine by me.
Anyway, thanks for sticking with me for this long, reddit fam. I can't thank you enough for helping me through all this.
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yddgm4 | **I am NOT OP. Original post by u/throwRA78997304 in r/JUSTNOMIL**
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[**My MIL won't stay out of my home and she won't stop interfering with my life**](https://www.reddit.com/r/JUSTNOMIL/comments/xzhc6f/my_mil_wont_stay_out_of_my_home_and_she_wont_stop/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) - 9th Oct 2022
Hey everyone.
I (19F) am married to a total mama's boy (23M). We have a baby boy together. Our little one is three months old and he's the cutest.
We've been married for a year now. We eloped after seven months together because I was pregnant. What I didn't know is that his mother forced him to elope with me because she didn't want a 'bastard' grandchild 🫠. He's generally a very good guy so we went to counseling and worked through it. MIL and FIL bought us our home as a gift which I am very grateful for.
What I am not grateful for, is my MIL constantly in our home. She has a spare key, and I frequently come home to furniture being rearranged, meals in that I cooked thrown out and my 'immodest' clothing missing. Also, all my red lipsticks and nail polishes gone too. My husband tried to make me let it go, but I told him very clearly that her key needed to be taken asap and she was only allowed over if he was there. He **agreed** and took her key. She phonecalled me and called me an evil witch for that.
A few days ago, I received a call from my husband while he was at work. MIL was on her way and I was to let her in with no drama. I told him that under no circumstances would be allowed in. I calmly reminded him of our boundaries and I said he was welcome to call her and tell her to come later when he was home. When MIL pulled up outside, I called her and I said very kindly that I was sick (a lie) and that I didn't have the energy to host someone at that moment and I didn't want to risk getting her sick. She tried to persist, but I kinda snapped and said she could go back home because she wasn't being let in unless my husband was home
The woman has arthritis and Raynaud's so thought, 'we have cold weather right now, surely this woman knowns her own limits and will eventually get back in her car to leave'. I was very, very wrong. She stayed banging on the door for an **hour** and FIL had to come get her because her hands became too painful for her to drive.
My husband and in laws were furious with me and he said that I was acting like a child and being immature. I received abusive phonecalls from his sisters and my parents and friends are telling me I was wrong to lock her out because of her health issues. The only person who agrees with what I did is my husband's younger brother (19M).
I would like some advice on how to move forward with setting some effective and reasonable boundaries with MIL that don't have everyone and their mama's calling me childish and evil.
Please don't ask me to get a divorce or go no contact.
Thank you :)
Edit: Currently asking my cousin who's a lawyer for some recommendations for a family and divorce lawyer. I'm putting this here so I can't go back on it. I'm currently staying with my great aunt's with my LO.
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[**Update to: My MIL won't stop interfering with our lives and entering our home**](https://www.reddit.com/r/JUSTNOMIL/comments/y4kk26/update_to_my_mil_wont_stop_interfering_with_our/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) - 15th Oct 2022
Hey everyone, I'd like to update you all and ask for more advice.
I'm still staying with my great aunt and my husband now knows I want a divorce. I didn't attend the meeting to get my name on the title of the house because my lawyer said that if I want a clean break, I shouldn't get even more tangled up with him. My lawyer also said that I will most likely get full custody as I have multiple pieces of evidence of me being my baby's primary (and sometimes sole) carer.
When I didn't turn up for the meeting, he called me and that's when I told him that I wanted a divorce. He freaked the fuck out.
He started begging me not to leave him and he came to my great aunts house to try to convince me to get back with him. He swore that he'd look for another job (he works for his parents) and he'd set boundaries with MIL. He even promised to return the house to his parents and look for a place for us to rent.
Having some time away from him really put things into perspective for me. He's lovely sometimes, but when it comes to his parents he's the worst person I've ever met.
Surprisingly, MIL called me after my husband left and she asked to meet me. I told her I'd only meet in public so we met at a cafe later that day and she **apologized**.
She said that she wouldn't be able to live with being the cause of our divorce and the 'destruction' of our home. She's extremely Christian so I'm suspecting this is a religious thing and she doesn't want to go to hell or smth.
My husband gave her back her spare key when I refused to let her in. She gave me the key during our meeting and said she'd never come over without permission. She asked me to consider counseling with her son and she also asked me to arrange a new appointment with the house lawyer to get my name on the title.
I don't trust her at all and I think she's doing this so people don't talk badly about her but her advice all seems to be things that would be in my best interest.
I did however, agree to counseling. Our first session is next week and my husband seems proactive and excited for it. He came over again yesterday to see our son and he brought me flowers and brownies and he said he really missed me at home.
Do you guys think I'm doing the right thing here and do y'all have any suggestions?
Just to pull y'all's minds at ease:
-my parents are now on my side and my dad is paying for my lawyer
-MIL is not paying for counseling, my husband is
-i am in college doing an English literature degree with a minor in psychology, I'm hoping to go to law school
-i'm not totally financially reliant on my husband, I have money saved from when I used to work and trustfunds from my parents
Edit: I forgot to mention this bit. My husband either replaced or reimbursed me for everything she stole back then.
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**Reminder - I am not the original poster.** | 4,027 | 2022-10-25T19:30:26 | MIL keeps invading OOP‘s home | ONGOING | TrashyZuidas | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/yddgm4/mil_keeps_invading_oops_home/ | false | false | [
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yddiof | **I am NOT OP. Original post by u/TrueLies404 in r/TwoXChromosomes**
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[**[SUPPORT] My (28/F) ex-boyfriend (37/M) from years ago followed me to another state and came into my work yesterday.**](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/xcfpf9/support_my_28f_exboyfriend_37m_from_years_ago/) 12th Sep 2022
Throwaway account because I’m paranoid of him being able to track this down somehow. Names/locations are changed. Sorry for the novel-length post, feel free to skip the background.
Background:
So "Andrew" was my first real boyfriend, I was with him from 2015 to 2016. When we got together I was 21 and he was 30, which I realize now is a huge red flag but at the time I didn’t know any better and didn’t have anyone in my life to go to for advice or support.
The whole relationship was a real trashfire, he was very controlling and treated me like shit and I always just thought it was my fault for not being a better girlfriend.
Eventually I found out that he was cheating on me for pretty much the whole time we were together, I confronted him about it and demanded that he stop sleeping with other girls. He told me that I was “a stupid immature child for expecting our relationship to be monogamous because men aren’t built like that” (I’ll never forget that exact quote) and said that I had no right to tell him what to do. In the middle of arguing with him about it, he said he was “done with me” and just blocked me on everything.
Getting dumped this way really messed me up, especially because at this point in my life he was pretty much the only person that I even talked to. Even though he was the one that cheated, I thought the relationship ending was my fault for being too clingy and not mature enough to understand adult relationships.
And then the worst part was that for the next six months or so, he would get random girls he was with to send me photos and videos of them in bed together (or I assume he was getting them to do it because it looked like the messages were coming from their numbers, maybe he was using random accounts, I don’t know). Obviously this really upset me and made it harder for me to move on.
I know how stupid it sounds because he was obviously such a douchebag but it took me a long time to get over him. Honestly, the reason that to this day I haven’t had any other serious relationships is because my experience with Andrew really turned me off from dating anybody.
But anyway all that stopped eventually and a couple of years later I moved to a completely new state. I don’t really stay in contact with anybody that I knew during that part of my life, so I haven’t heard from Andrew or heard anything about what he’s been up to since maybe 2018.
Current situation:
Yesterday I was at work when my boss came in the back of the shop and told me that a client was asking for me. I don’t want to say exactly what I do, but it’s a creative industry where artists have their portfolios online so it’s typical for someone to come into the shop and ask for a specific artist. So I go out to the front and see that the “client” is Andrew.
I was shocked and for some reason embarrassed that he was there to see me. I don’t know why but I just defaulted into customer service mode and asked what I could help him with.
Andrew said that he missed me and wanted to talk to me, so he looked me up and saw that I was in “Colorado”, so he came to see me. Like he seriously said that he came all the way from “Arizona” to “Colorado” just because he saw on the internet that I worked at this shop now.
So I ignored that and told him that I could help him with professional services but otherwise I’d have to ask him to leave.
Andrew kept asking didn’t I miss him and do I have a new boyfriend now?
I just kept asking him questions from our new client checklist and pretending like I didn’t hear anything else he was saying.
After a couple of minutes my boss came back out and asked if everything was okay.
I explained to him that this is my ex-boyfriend and that he seems to be here for personal reasons only.
So my boss told him that if that’s the case to please leave and furthermore not to come back.
Andrew seriously looked like he was going to cry, which was very unsettling to me because I’ve never seen him be emotional like that but he left without arguing.
My boss went outside and watched him leave to make sure he didn’t hang around outside. He came back in and asked me if I wanted him to call the police, which I said I didn’t think was necessary. He said okay, but that if I change my mind to let him know because he’d back me up and say that Andrew had been trespassing and harassing his employees. He also had someone walk out with me at the end of my shift but we didn’t see Andrew around anywhere.
I was supposed to work today but my boss told me not to come in (he’s giving me a paid day off) because he wants to watch and see if Andrew comes around again looking for me. So now I’m thinking about it today and trying to decide if this is worth going to the police.
I don’t know what to do and I’m not sure if I should be scared. I looked up our local laws about stalking and I don’t think it’s illegal to come into someone’s job one time and leave after you’re asked to, so I don’t think they’d care. But it might also be good to have it on the record that he did come in just in case he does anything else.
I also don’t understand what the fuck he even wants. He’s the one who broke up with me and it’s been almost 7 years.
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[**UPDATE**](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/y4177n/update_my_28f_exboyfriend_37m_from_years_ago/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) 15th Oct 2022
About a month ago I posted about my ex-boyfriend showing up at my job unexpectedly, I don't think I'm allowed to link but it's in my post history. Everyone told me I should report it to the police just in case he showed up again, but I decided not to because I really didn’t think he was going to. This turned out to be a big mistake and that’s why I wanted to update you all on what happened afterwards.
A week after he came into my job, I also saw my ex hanging around in the parking lot outside of my apartment building. He didn’t try to talk to me or anything, but I saw him sitting in his car when I went inside. So then I called the police and told them that my ex-boyfriend was outside my apartment and that he had also showed up at my place of employment a week earlier, and that he was abusive and I was scared of him.
A cop car came and when it showed up my ex immediately tried to run away, like he got out of the car and tried to run away down the street. So the cops stopped him and put him in handcuffs and searched his car. They found zip ties and a crowbar that he admitted he was planning to use to “come after me”.
So right now he’s in jail and hopefully he’ll stay there. I also have a restraining order against him, apparently that triggers automatically when someone is arrested for a violent crime against you.
But anyway, I wanted to share this so that other women won’t make the mistake I made. If someone makes you even the slightest bit uncomfortable, go to the police! I am lucky that I just happened to see my ex before he had a chance to do anything to me.
It’s still unclear to me whether he came to my state with the intent of “coming after me” or if that was what he decided to do because he didn’t like how I acted when he came into my job, but either way I should have gone to the police in the first place.
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> May I suggest you move? Please.
**I'll probably have to. It's okay for now because he's in jail, but if/when he gets out I don't think I'll feel safe knowing that he knows where I am.**
> Was he following you home after work and that's how he knows where your apartment is? This is terrifying to think he might have been watching you for awhile. I am so sorry you are going through this and I am so glad the police helped you. Sending all my good vibes that he gets put away.
**That's what I think must've happened, yes.**
> Do you know how he found your address? Or where you worked? It would be best to figure that out, and plug that hole, before making your next move.
**I know that he found out where I worked because of my professional portfolio online, and then I believe that he figured out where I live by following me home from work.**
**Reminder - I am not the original poster.** | 3,432 | 2022-10-25T19:32:42 | Ex-bf stalks OOP to another state | CONCLUDED | TrashyZuidas | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/yddiof/exbf_stalks_oop_to_another_state/ | false | false | [
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ydgvdj | **I am not OP.**
Posted by u/Satanfister0218 on r/entitledparents
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[**Original**](https://www.reddit.com/r/entitledparents/comments/o96tfj/my_sister_and_mother_demand_i_watch_the_new_baby/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) _- June 28, 2021_
My (25F) younger sister (21F) is pregnant. For the last few weeks she has been demanding that my SO (27M) and I babysit her new born every weekend, friday morning-sunday evening, so she and her SO (21M) can have some cool off time from being parents, to not over stress.
Each time, I have laughed at her and shut it down with a quick "nope, I won't be." And she gets mad I'm "not helping her out."
Yesterday, she got our mother involved. Mom called me and asked why I was being "a self-centred bitch, and so selfish, she didn't raise me this way" I told her I was a grown ass woman, with my own house and life, and that if I wanted to watch kids as a 2nd job, I'd fucking have some. She sputtered out something about me being a horrible person and hung up on me.
My SO and my one aunt 100% is with me, however my mom, dad, and the other 900 family members and friends they got involved are calling me out on Facebook, and blowing up my phone.
Quick edit for a few of the same comments coming up.
My mom knows the full story of what my sister is asking, she essentially did the same thing with me, when I was a bit older. She sees no issues with my sister getting this as well.
I have never had a good relationship with my family besides my youngest sister (16F), aunt, and grandparents. I talk to mom, other sister, dad maybe twice a month.
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[**Update 1**](https://www.reddit.com/r/entitledparents/comments/oxw572/update_refusing_to_babysit_my_sisters_newborn_37/) _- August 5, 2021_
Hey, everyone, thank you so much for the support on my last post, thought I'd share an update and answer some questions now that the baby is here.
A lot of comments mentioned that our mother and sister probably spun some sort of tail about how I was just refusing to help period, not take over 45% of parenting.. and well no. Those who I spoke to, knew the entire story. They agreed two 21 year olds need a break from parenting, our mom did it with me.. why shouldn't sister get the same courtesy.
Whenever family/friends message me about babysitting, or give me shit about it my favourite response has been, "you're right, I am selfish/irresponsible/whatever, and probably not fit to take the baby this weekend, but I can be sure to let sister know you've volunteered your time this week to help her out.
Funny enough, everyone seems to have some generic excuse as to why they can't or won't. "I worked all week, it's my wind down time." "Not my child, not my responsibility."(but somehow it's mine?) And my all time favourite response "It is YOUR responsibility as the oldest to ensure your siblings don't make mistakes, and if they do you take responsibility and don't let them ruin their lives over it, they're still kids who need to have fun. You had your turn."... People of AITA & EntitledParents.. please take a moment and reread that last response. What would your reaction or response be?
Baby has been here just under 2 weeks now and:
My sister, her SO, and our mother have left multiple messages and voicemails about when they will drop baby off, their expectations for when I have baby, routines, etc. Besides a quick "Not watching your baby this weekend." I have not answered or responded about it.
My SO and I took some advice and invested in a doorbell camera and a few others around the house, and as most of you called it.. my mother and sister attempted to drop baby off at my doorstep, 6 days after it was born.. knocked and tried to run. I spoke through the doorbell and told them they have exactly 2 minutes to pick baby back up, or I was calling CPS for abandonment.
My youngest sister (16F) called me about an hour afterwards explaining our mother had attempted to leave the baby with her as well, but it only earned mom a dirty look, while youngest sister simply stepped over the carrier and walked out of the house. She has been staying with us since.
SO and I have spoken to youngest sister, to see how she would feel, and we have a meeting with a lawyer to see if we have any ground to stand on for her to come and live with us permanently, as our parents are threatening to call the police on my SO and I for kidnapping/holding youngest sister as a hostage.
Oh, before I forget this level of beautiful petty.. our aunt (the only one who has supported us) surprised my youngest sister, SO and I, and took us out to her cabin for the weekend.. where youngest sister posted pictures, and tagged our mother, sister, and her SO.. "Man, such an AMAZING weekend, sure wish you guys were free to join, 😏😁."
Edit: a few commenters mentioned wanting to know more about the door bell reaction so: Neither of them knew about the door bell, it was a mix of shocked Pikachu and some kinda ragey racoon faces that they didn't just get away with it. My mother started to argue, but I cut her off by starting to count down. My other sister quickly picked up the baby and they both left without another word.
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[**Update 2**](https://www.reddit.com/r/entitledparents/comments/p6fhtr/update_wouldnt_take_sisters_baby_37_days_a_week/) _- August 18, 2021_
Hi everyone! I'm sorry, I've been meaning to do a final update on this whole situation, (with sister's permission as this one is mostly an update on her.)
My SO, youngest sister and I met with a lawyer just before the weekend and....
My parents have no ground to stand on, Sister is in the middle of enrolling in a high school in my city to start for September!
Our mother left a voicemail and a text message to both of us. Mine saying "I hope you're happy. You've destroyed (21F/21M) lives by not taking the baby, and you've gone ahead and brainwashed (16F) into hating us." She then proceeded to let me know that I've been completely disowned and I'm not welcome to ever contact them again, and that I wouldn't be seeing a dime from them. I'm not sure where she could have gotten that idea.. considering I've been living out of her house and self supporting since I was 16.
Sister's message said essentially the same thing. She's been disowned and is no longer welcome to go to them for help.
She's always kind of had the same no bullshit attitude as me, but I think this is the first time I've genuinely seen her let go and relax in a long time. We had a long conversation about what our mother messaged us, and in the beginning sister was kind of upset, but after reassuring her she will ALWAYS have SO and I, and aunt. She looks free. I'm excited to watch her grow, and get to support her on all the ways she wouldn't have gotten from our parents.
As for baby, CPS, and the other sister..
I've been in contact with baby daddy's parents, recently, (sister, baby, baby daddy are living in their basement) Laid out everything that happened, showed them messages, door bell video etc, they were shocked, and last I heard were making plans to try and adopt baby and finding their legal footing as well, they've asked if they can come to us for help as we have more proof to help them, so absolutely will be providing anything they could need.
So, thank you Reddit, for all the advice and support.
If you happen to have any tips on what else I can do to help my youngest sister, I'll take all the advice I can. I want to be the best I can for her.
**[Comment](https://reddit.com/r/entitledparents/comments/p6fhtr/update_wouldnt_take_sisters_baby_37_days_a_week/h9ejrwn/?context=999) made by OP about legal issues:**
>We are not in the States. We are in Canada, so things are a bit different just on that. We did talk to a lawyer, my sister is 16, working full time already. She doesn't have to live at home, and our parents can't force her. They can absolutely try and fight and say I am unfit to care for and try to pull stuff like that. They won't find anything against me in that aspect, meaning they have no leg to stand on to just force her to move back in.
>I don't have any intention of adopting my sister, and as of right now we haven't talked about emancipation, giving up parental rights, etc. She's just moved in. She has all of her records, documents, ID's.
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[**Final Update**](https://reddit.com/ubzrta) _- April 26, 2022_
So, thank you everyone for the continued support dealing with my oh so amazing family.
Starting with the baby and grandparents going for adoption.. that didn't happen. They did sit them down and gave them a hell of a talking to. My 21F sister even apologized for trying to ding dong ditch the baby. However. She does still pawn the potato off pretty often between our mom, daddies parents, our grandparents. I am still fairly low contact. I have even babysat the little potato and oh my God is that potato easy. 0 crying, 100% giggles and smiles and grunts until I get things right.
Mom..oh boy. She's a post all on her own. She has gone bat shit up the wall over the last few months towards me. She hates me, wishes she aborted me. How I'm nothing but a fuck up, etc. She has shown up on my front door and has tried camping out just to get a shot at being in my face or trying to claw youngest sister back down.
We have been in contact with the police, as well as some extra security around the house we could manage. She caught me one day a few weeks ago after a pretty rough day and her and I had it out on the front porch. Have not seen or heard from her personally since.
Youngest sister is living her best life right now, I think. She's head over heels for a very nice young man, graduating this year. We applied to universities together. She did decide to speak to a therapist about things just to kind of ground herself and she's doing great. All in all, pretty successful so far. | 5,655 | 2022-10-25T21:53:45 | My sister and mother demand I watch her new baby 3/7 days a week. | NEW UPDATE | rainingsakuras | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ydgvdj/my_sister_and_mother_demand_i_watch_her_new_baby/ | false | false | [
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ydipru | **I am not OP. This was originally posted on AskAManager** [**here**](https://www.askamanager.org/2015/07/my-new-office-is-full-of-dogs-and-im-allergic.html)**, and the update can be found** [**here**](https://www.askamanager.org/2015/12/update-my-new-office-is-full-of-dogs-and-im-allergic.html) **(JULY 29, 2015). The first contains Allison's response if you wish to read it.**
Thanks to your amazing advice, I was able to land a fantastic job with a big raise after years of stagnant dead-end work. My first day I walked into the office…and it was full of dogs. They have a dog-friendly office, which was never advertised or communicated during the hiring process.
I’m allergic to dogs, VERY allergic. Within ten minutes of arriving at work, my eyes are red, itchy and watering, my nose stuffs up and I get a headache from my swollen sinuses. This is what happens when I’m on medication! If I skip the meds, I break out in hives, start to wheeze and I run the risk of my throat swelling closed. I went to my doctor who referred me to a specialist. I’m already on the strongest meds they give out, and they said as long as I “expose myself” to allergens, this will keep happening and might get worse over time.
I tried to work with my company to fix this: they put me in the far corner away from the majority of the pooches where I’m near a door I can prop open, they have a company that cleans bi-weekly and they let me work from home one day a week. The nature of my job demands that I be in the office at least four days a week, I really have no wiggle room. Even working from home one day a week has been a stretch and caused some negative feelings on my team, even though they hear me sneezing every 20 minutes when I’m there!
It’s been 2 months and while I love the work, love the company and love my coworkers…I’m miserable. I’ve considered looking for a new job, but every job I’ve seen in my field has a “dog-friendly” office. I’m at a loss – their dog-friendly office isn’t ME-friendly. What can I do?!
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**Update**
Right after I wrote to you, HR bought me a HEPA air purifier for my desk and announced that dogs had to be washed regularly to cut down on dander. I’m not sure how they planned to enforce it, but one woman who is very well liked announced that her dog had a skin condition that meant it couldn’t be washed often. HR told her that the dog couldn’t be in the office for “medical reasons,” and EVERYONE blamed me. People made comments to each other as I walked by about how I “discriminated” against a dog with a medical condition, how much I must hate dogs, how selfish I am. After a week, one person came into my cubicle where everyone could hear and demanded to know why I worked here when I clearly wasn’t a cultural fit. I had been ignoring the comments and trying to take the high road (was that the right move, Alison? Should I have confronted them right away?), but this was too much. I told her that I was a good fit – I had a strong background in teapot design and a passion for optimizing teapot handles. I reminded her of the times I had helped her brew new tea flavors above and beyond my job. I said that regardless of anything else, I’m here to help produce the best teapots and that I want us all to work as a team to achieve that.
Within 10 minutes, HR sent me an invite to meet with them, and when I arrived there were all three of our HR people – including the director – as well as our company’s lawyer! They wanted my statement on a “workplace incident” – they said that someone accused me of yelling at another employee. I hadn’t raised my voice at all; I was actually proud of how I calmly said those words and my voice didn’t even shake. I told them about the comments and how I was starting to feel like this was a hostile work environment based on my medical condition. The HR rep said that my allergies weren’t covered under ADA and that they wanted to help me work there because they liked me, but that one person was not worth damaging a strong company culture.
While this wasn’t entirely moral, I heavily implied that I’d consulted two lawyers who disagreed with her ADA assessment and that firing me could lead to a lawsuit. I didn’t talk to a lawyer; my comment was based off of the two lawyers who you quoted in your blog post. They decided to “reevaluate the situation,” and it was basically swept under the rug. I don’t know if they spoke to some of the people who made comments, but those stopped within a day.
I wish I could say it got better, but it didn’t. The company then announced that we were going from cubicles to an open floor plan to promote communication between teams. They banned dogs since we were in a temporary work space for three weeks as they ripped up the carpet and put in new desks. The day before we came back into the office, they sent around an email that said that dogs were no longer allowed due to 1) the open floor plan (no way to contain them) and 2) the new carpet (there had been so many accidents that the old carpet was smelly and gross) but that they had negotiated a discounted rate with the local doggie daycare. It’s normally $33/day, but they got the rate down to $22/day. People were up in arms – if this was the middle ages, there would have been pitchforks. They didn’t openly blame me and no explicit comments were made, so I thought it would be OK. I was wrong.
Instead of outright comments, it became subtle things. I was no longer invited to standing meetings and when I pointed that out it was explained away as an “oversight.” I was excluded from new meetings about teapot design that I was integral to and when I found out about them and asked, I was told that teapot handle design wasn’t changing (but it did in the mockups – someone else was doing my job!). If I sat at a table at lunch, everyone at that table was suddenly not hungry and would leave. I would go home and cry; it was like being in high school, but when I brought it up to my boss, she explained that they were oversights or mistakes and that I was blowing things out of proportion. She seemed so sincere and I felt like she was really trying to support me. I felt like I WAS blowing things out of proportion.
One day I was in a bathroom stall, and I heard my boss and two other coworkers enter. They loudly talked about me, about how my boss was looking for a replacement for me, and how I would be gone soon anyway and then they would petition for the dogs to come back. My boss then said “(CEO) didn’t like the smell of the carpet after dogs had accidents and there was that flea problem last year, so even when is gone it won’t happen, but she ruined a great situation and I want her gone for that reason alone” and then they all laughed. Before any of you ask – it’s illegal to record someone without their knowledge in my state, so I didn’t pull out my cell phone, but I did note the names of the people. My close friend (and one of my only supporters) was also in the bathroom and agreed that if needed, she would testify on record about overhearing that conversation.
I did mention in the comments that my mother was terminal, which is why I didn’t feel I could move to another city with more job opportunities. Throughout the past few months, I’ve been searching but I was having problems answering “why are you leaving your current job so soon?” Eventually, I told one hiring manager the truth and he confided that he is also severely allergic to dogs and that it would never happen at his company (a small start-up). He offered me the job the next day. It was a slight pay decrease, but included stock options and surprisingly better health benefits! I took it and started a week later.
I was so upset about the whole situation that I called a meeting with the company lawyer, HR department, and my boss. I gave notice, saying I was leaving immediately with no transition period due to the hostile work environment. I reported what my boss had said and named the people who were also in the bathroom. When she tried to deny it, I told her I had a witness willing to corroborate everything and she then claimed that I was taking her words “out of context.” At this point, HR and the lawyer asked her to leave the room. I told them that if there were any issue with my paycheck or backlash against me (including defamation), I would bring a lawsuit. We agreed to what they would say if they were contacted as a reference in the future, I got it in writing (!!), they cut the check within minutes, and I left right away. I’ve only been at the new job a few weeks, but it’s a great environment so far and I have high hopes.
There were many questions about why I didn’t see the dogs when I was interviewing. My interviews took place in the front conference room directly off of reception. I was never anywhere near the cubicle farm to see any dogs. A few people also said that if it were their company, they would see it as unfair to lose the dog benefit. I hate to take those comments personally, but it had the ring of “blame the victim.” Maybe I’m bitter, but your “right” to have your dog lay next to you while you fiddle away at your computer does not trump my right to breathe. This wasn’t just a discomfort; if I’d missed a dose of medication or grew more sensitive over time (which my doctor said was happening), I could have had a massive reaction that could have caused serious damage or death. I think many of the readers – and my coworkers – ignored that.
Thank you to your readers who gave their support, to the two lawyers who gave me free legal opinions, and especially to you for doing the research and giving me the information I needed to get out of that bad situation. I don’t know what would have happened in that first meeting with the lawyer and HR if I hadn’t had that information. I’m still very angry about the whole situation, but I’m trying to let it go and move on.
**Reminder-I am not OP. This was originally posted on AskAManager** [here](https://www.askamanager.org/2015/07/my-new-office-is-full-of-dogs-and-im-allergic.html)**, and the update can be found** [here](https://www.askamanager.org/2015/12/update-my-new-office-is-full-of-dogs-and-im-allergic.html)**.** | 7,925 | 2022-10-25T23:17:13 | My new office is full of dogs — and I’m allergic | EXTERNAL | LearningFinance23 | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ydipru/my_new_office_is_full_of_dogs_and_im_allergic/ | false | false | [
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ydjgne | **I am NOT OP. Original post by u/greenteaflowerr in r/AmITheAsshole**
**Note: This was posted recently [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/y9y2la/oop_my_sil_made_some_crazy_accusations_about_my/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf), new update is at the bottom of the post**
trigger warnings: >!Incest!<
mood spoilers: >!Frustrating but hopeful!<
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[**WIBTA if I uninvited SIL from my wedding after she told me gross lies about my fiancé?**](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/y3lhof/wibta_if_i_uninvited_sil_from_my_wedding_after/) - Oct 25 2022)
I (29F) am getting married to my fiancé (30M) of over 3 years, November 5th. He has an older brother (33), younger brother (26), and 2 younger sisters (28 and 22).
I get along really well with his parents and siblings, ever since when we first started dating. I asked his sisters to be bridesmaids and his brothers are groomsmen. All his siblings act happy and normal still except his 28 sister, M.
When we first started dating his sister (28) was cool with me but as soon as we got engaged she flipped a switch. It started with her storming off when we announced our engagement, Christmas time last year. She apologized and said it made her feel bad about her recent relationship (lots of therapy and issues going on) and accepted being a bridesmaid anyway.
She’s gone from being friendly to (gradually) ignoring me anytime she sees me but also remaining involved in wedding activities like when I went dress shopping and had my bridal shower. She criticizes everything about the wedding every step of the way, out loud. My future MIL and fiancé have both called her out on her behavior but it doesn’t help. I’ve confronted her about this gently (I don’t do well with conflict) and asked if I did anything wrong. She denies anything is wrong and brushes me off.
Fast forward to last Sunday, M asked me to grab coffee out of the blue. She said she’s given a lot of thought to admitting this part of her life to someone, but felt she had to. She said that she and fiancé fooled around and eventually had sex which continued for a bit but stopped years ago before me. She said she can’t help but feel the only reason they stopped was because society gave them no choice and that anything besides what they swore would be a secret couldn’t exist. According to her they stopped when fiancé moved out of his parent’s house. I don’t believe one word of it. I just couldn’t take anymore, I freaked out and told her she’s lying. I told her to never speak to me again and that she will not be allowed anywhere near my wedding.
I told my fiancé and he was shocked. I told him I don’t want her at our wedding and I know it hurt him. He didn’t push back but he said it’s going to cause a lot family issues and they’re going to tear her apart if they find out what she told/did to me. He called her and lost it on her. He asked me to give it a little bit of time before I pull the plug on her being in the wedding even though it’s warranted and that it’s ultimately my decision but he does want her there.
I have a lot of anxiety from this building up and I don’t want her there at this point. Who even says something like that? But I just feel guilty because I know that I can’t remove her quietly from the wedding. That she’s going to be his only sibling not there and not in photos, etc. I don’t even know how we would explain it to family. It’s been a couple days and she hasn’t reached out but I’m just so confused because it’s next month and I don’t want this to blow up last minute. AITA?
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[Update after talking to my SIL again this morning](https://www.reddit.com/user/greenteaflowerr/comments/y40esv/update_after_talking_to_my_sil_again_this_morning/)Oct 13 2022
Had a lot of people on AITA call me out for flipping out on M during coffee and not keeping my cool to talk to her rationally. So I called her this morning and told her I just want to talk, no anger no yelling. I went over to her apartment and just told her to tell me what she can.
M said she felt like they always had a mutual attraction to each other when they were teens but didn’t do anything. When she went to college she asked to use his desktop since her laptop wasn’t fast enough and would leave hints like browser history of that kind of taboo porn and then eventually just leave the page up that she was watching.
I guess without going into specifics she said they supposedly started this when she was 19 and right before his 21st. Said it continued until he moved out at 23. she asked him if he wanted to do mutual masturbation with her and it lasted for a few months before she said it escalated to touching the other and eventually intercourse.
So they both lived at home at this point and MIL has always been SAH. Their parents like poker and still go to a weekly game at a friends house. According to M they had a specific day a week for this back then and they did this on that night when parents were away. Besides that time frame they would coordinate if a home alone opportunity could happen.
I asked her if she can give me any text proof or anything and she said she has none. I asked if anyone in the family knows or can confirm any of this. She said no one found out and they never came close to being caught. I asked if this kind of relationship happened with other siblings and she seemed offended at me asking that and said that it’s not a kink but just a specific attraction to one person which happened to be her brother.
At this point I got super upset again and told her she’s not giving me any proof besides her word and that her brother is denying it. I told her I’m going to go to MIL with this information today. She told me she’d deny it to anyone and that this is the last time she will talk about this to me. She just wanted me to know that if they weren’t siblings and forced to stop he probably wouldn’t be getting married to me.
As I was leaving she told me that his parts curve to the right. My body got cold because it’s true. I know that it’s not unheard of for family members to have seen private parts by accident or like when they’re young but it’s only really noticeable when he’s erect. So I have a lot of dread right now and I need to figure this out. I told my MIL that I have to speak to her. I just can’t process or deal right now. I do not know how to confront fiancé with the new information and I didn’t even tell him I was going to see M again. I will tell him I’m going to speak to MIL today though.
Update #2- SIL went to MIL after we got done talking and admitted that she told me all that stuff. Working out some stuff in person with them right now so I’ll update more when I can. Thank you to everyone for the kind messages and being my little support group. It means a lot.
I posted a full update on my profile
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[**Update #2 SIL told MIL she lied**](https://www.reddit.com/user/greenteaflowerr/comments/y50ojq/update_2_sil_told_mil_she_lied/) Oct 15 2022
After talking to my SIL yesterday morning (my original update), I reached out to my MIL and told her I had to have an urgent face to face that evening. I was planning on going there with my fiancé, if he’d come with me.
MIL called me a little while before my fiancé got home and she was super upset. She said M talked to her and that she needed us to come over when he got home.
Fiancé came home and I told him I went to see M again. He told me that his mom called him and told him M went to talk to her and that we have to go see her immediately. He got upset but wasn’t mad. He asked what happened and I told him she doubled down on their situation being true and gave me specific examples. He got visibly sad and upset and said he couldn’t handle hearing specifics of whatever she came up with and that we need to go. I was pretty much sobbing at this point.
We went over MIL’s and FIL and M were there. MIL was crying, M was crying. Apparently M confessed what she told me, and that it was all a lie on her part. She apologized to me and told me she’s in a very dark place right now and can’t mentally handle anyone else’s happiness and the wedding coming up made her feel like everyone else was happy and she was losing her family. She said that her relationship with her ex is over and that they stopped working on it a while ago and she can’t cope. She said that I don’t have to forgive her or ever be near her, that she’s not coming to the wedding and taking time away from everyone to go to therapy.
I quietly asked her about how she knew about the physical specifics, she said she saw a picture once when she was snooping through his stuff. A lot more was said but mainly just things she’s dealing with and her mental health. MIL hugged me and told me that she can’t imagine what I must of thought of her family and that M may never be able to rebuild a relationship or trust with me again but that she’s thankful for us and that she’s going to help her daughter get better.
When we left he asked me what I meant by physical specifics and I said that she knew he had a curve down there. We did a lot more talking after between the two of us last night when we got home but he he said that he couldn’t stomach whatever the details were she told me.
We’re both exhausted and he’s at work today. It’s been a week since M started this and it’s been hell. Thank you to everyone who comforted and helped me. Still kind of in limbo. Idk, I haven’t slept more than a couple of hours each night and definitely needed a quiet rest day
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[**Going to take a bit of break off of Reddit to figure out some stuff**](https://www.reddit.com/user/greenteaflowerr/comments/y6rvlc/going_to_take_a_bit_of_break_off_of_reddit_to/) Oct 17 2022
I really appreciate everyone who’s helped me and everyone who gave their opinions. There are a LOT of opinions though and I need some quiet mental space to figure some stuff out.
My fiancé and I both agree we need to postpone the wedding and work some stuff out. I also have to tell more people close to me that we’re having some issues and try to maintain some privacy. I only told my best friend in real life so it’s been hard keeping it all in.
Going to look into couple’s counseling too.
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**Reminder that I am not OP.** | 4,863 | 2022-10-25T23:53:19 | "WIBTA if I uninvited SIL from my wedding after she told me gross lies about my fiancé?" | NEW UPDATE | ari-lei | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ydjgne/wibta_if_i_uninvited_sil_from_my_wedding_after/ | false | false | [
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ydjt2q | I am NOT OP. Original post from r/entitledparents by u/Morosa3.
**[Original Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/entitledparents/comments/hhroia/my_mom_turned_her_guest_room_into_a_nursery_after/) June 29, 2020**
I am currently pregnant with my first child and both my mom and step dad have been terrible to me and my partner the entire time. Told us we would be unfit parents because we arent married yet, legitimately screamed at my partner for "knocking up their little girl" even though we planned the pregnancy. They would call him everyday and harass him, and showing up to his work. Try to convince him to leave me so I would have no choice but to move back in with them. It got worse as time went on. I finally decided to cut contact with them. Having a child can already be a stressful time and having them around to make it worse was not something i was okay with. My partner and I have gone through a lot with family drama the past couple years and having this baby has been one of the most exciting things for us. If my parents cant be nice to my partner then they dont get to see our baby. Plus they are the kind of people who dont wear masks in public and actively choose to be in large gatherings with no social distancing, so them seeing a newborn is out of the question. One day I sent my mom a very detailed email of why she is not allowed to be apart of my life anymore and will not be seeing her grandchild. To make things even better, I also noted that we will be moving across the country shortly after she is born to be closer to other family members.
So not only is she cut off, but we are literally moving far away and never coming back.
She responds by showing up at our house at 11pm screaming outside our door about how it is her baby and she deserves to be there for it. I tell her to fuck off and eventually she leaves.
Months go by and she will text me randomly asking about technical problems with her wifi router or something and needs help. Little things like that don't mean much to me and I sent her the info she needed. My cousin also had a virtual baby shower and sent my invitation to my moms house accidentally so my mom came by to give it to me. Things slowly came to a point that we were fairly amicable with each other but I still stood my ground about our boundaries and nothing else had changed. She knew this.
Then she sends me a video today that blew my mind. She redecorated her entire guest room to be a nursery. Crib, changing table, $400 worth of newborn clothes, toy chest, stroller, a car seat for her car, and the list goes on. In the video she is in tears saying "omg I can't believe my baby is going to be here soon, this is where she will sleep, where I will change her little diapers, these will be her toys".
Is she psychotic!? HER baby?? Sleeping and living at HER house?? What!?
So I call her up immediately and I reiterate that we are still moving across the country soon and that she will have no contact with the baby before that. Her response? "Oh okay we will see about that!"
Genuinely confused. What part of "you will have no contact with this baby" does she not understand or thinks will change in the next few weeks when she is born? Is she planning on stealing her from us? I am at a loss for words.
Edit: Wow so many great tips from you guys! Thank you for the advice, I showed my partner the comments I have been getting and I think we are starting to take this more seriously and will be contacting a lawyer on Monday. I wanted to mention a couple things to clarify as well:
I have been seeing a psychotherapist the past few months strictly due to the relationship I have had with my mother throughout my life and all of that is documented. My midwife and hospital is also very aware of the situation and the emotional stress I have been going through. So we will definitely be utilizing this in the case that she tries to sue us or call CPS. Also, due to the virus, only my partner is allowed to be with me during the birth anyway. We will be keeping things hush until after we move.
We would have moved months ago if it was financially possible for us. We also spent a lot of money on my birth center here that is non refundable. She is due in August and our lease ends in September. We already have everything set up to move, and our other family is helping us out, just a waiting game at this point.
My partner is my power of attorney if something happens to me during the birth
We are currently in a state that is against grandparents rights. The only way she would be able to sue for visitation is if both myself and my partner were deceased. Even after we move, she still cannot file for GPS if she is living in this state
**[My mom tries to convince me to go on a weekend resort vacation with me and my newborn that she is not allowed to see](https://www.reddit.com/r/entitledparents/comments/ivx8e7/my_mom_tries_to_convince_me_to_go_on_a_weekend/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)** September 19, 2020
This is an update to my previous post “mom turns room into a nursery after I told her she would never meet my baby”
Backstory: My mom and I have not spoken for many months now. My entire pregnancy she was terrible to me and my partner and because of that I told her she would not be seeing her grandchild (whom she liked to call HER baby) . On top of that, we would be moving across the country to be closer to other family. Her response was “we will see about that” and then proceeded to build a nursery in her room filled to the brim with baby essentials.
So I gave birth about a week ago at home and my partner and I are so happy with our new addition. We have been quarantined since the second she was born and our pediatrician recommended for us to keep the baby home for at least 2 months to keep her safe from the virus.
My mom calls me after the birth crying about how upset she is that I didn’t invite her to be present for the birth and also to congratulate me on giving birth to her baby. Then asks when she can come see her. My partner and I, along with the consult of a lawyer, agreed that my mother could see her 1 time through a car window. Though there would be no touching or holding of any kind. Just a simple viewing. So I told her this and her response was that she would “let me know when she’s available” and then hasn’t said a word to me all week after. Which works for me because I didn’t want her to see the baby anyway, we just wanted to give her a chance.
This morning I get a voicemail from her asking to go on a resort trip for the weekend. I am absolutely baffled by this. What is going on in her mind?? I don’t even know what to say.
There is still a pandemic and we are quarantining with the baby
I literally just gave birth a few days ago
We haven’t spoken in months and all of a sudden she expects me to just go on a vacation with her?
She is not allowed to see the baby. Even if she just wanted me to go, I’m not leaving my newborn
I’m not going to take the baby away from her father for that long just so my mom can hang out with her
We are set to move as soon as I’m cleared by my midwife. I am not responding to my mother and I’m starting to think that she is either seriously trying to manipulate me or is just not right in the head. Probably a mix of both. I gave her a chance to see the baby on my terms and she didn’t take it so that’s her loss.
**[I gave my mom 1 chance to see her only grandchild and she turned it down because it wasn’t a good enough offer](https://www.reddit.com/r/entitledparents/comments/ixyjc2/i_gave_my_mom_1_chance_to_see_her_only_grandchild/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)** September 22, 2020
I have a bad relationship with my mother to say the least. She has been terrible to my partner and I my entire pregnancy. I wrote an update about the things she was doing (like building a nursery in her room when I told her she wasn’t going to see my baby) a few days ago but I finally got a response from her regarding the 1 viewing we were going to allow for her and I just had to post about it. Due to the virus our pediatrician recommended that we quarantine the newborn for 2 months. My mother knew this, I told her many times. She refused to stay home, to get tested, to wear masks, or do anything really. It’s her way or the highway in her mind, but not in reality. And boy did she get a wake up call today. As of recently, I gave her the opportunity to view the baby through a car window. She seemed fine with it and said she would let me know when she was available. She was abiding to my boundaries? Quite shocking. Then 2 weeks pass and I hear nothing from her. Until this morning. She asks me when she can see “her baby” and that it’s almost been 3 weeks and she hasn’t held her. I laugh. I knew this was going to happen. I tell her she is in quarantine and no one but me and her dad can touch her. That she can see her through a window or not at all. She responds “I think I’ll pass on the window, let me know when I can hold my baby”. I laugh again. This woman will not stop! I’m fed up! My “pregnancy hormones” are gone, my baby is here, we are moving away in a matter of weeks and she will never find us, if she thinks she has any power here she is dead wrong. So I send one last message to her and say “okay no window then, maybe when she’s 18 she will reach out to you.” Andddd blocked!
**[I vaccinated my child. My mother is not happy about it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/entitledparents/comments/m3ze1f/i_vaccinated_my_child_my_mother_is_not_happy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)** March 13, 2021
I currently don’t speak to my mother, nor have I for many months now. But somehow she still finds ways to butt into my life and the decisions I make for my child.
My husband and I both come from anti-vaxx families. His side is against it but doesn’t shame us for vaccinating our daughter. My mother, however, really has a lot to say about it. Since we both were raised to not believe in science, it was pretty natural for us to be against vaccinating our daughter when she was born. I had a home birth so it was easy to avoid everything. We would lie to pediatricians about it and just did what our parents did when we were kids. But since the new vaccine for covid was released, I started to consider getting it and decided to do some actual research on vaccines as a whole. My husband and I made the decision to get vaccinated as well as getting a schedule started for our 6 month old baby to catch her up. We went in this morning to get her first shots. Everything went smoothly and so far she seems fine. She has been fussy and sleepier than usual but the pediatrician said that’s normal and will go away in a day or 2.
We left feeling proud that we were able to educate ourselves effectively and set our baby up for success.
Then I get a call. It’s my grandpa. Or so I thought.
I answer and the first thing I hear is “When you wake up and she isn’t breathing, you’ll be sorry!! I can’t believe you did this to MY little girl!”
I hang up immediately and start to panic. I eventually traced it back to a family member that is a doctor. I was asking her questions about vaccines and I told her we were going in today. I guess she told my grandpa how excited she was for us and then he told my mom and then BOOM, end of the world!
My MIL found out later and seemed supportive, given her opinions about vaccines. She told us “it’s your decision, and I trust that whatever you do is what is best for her”. So I’m glad we have her to help reassure us a bit. But now I’ve been getting texts and calls from my mom, through my grandpas phone, absolutely freaking out. Saying that she hopes something happens to her so I will see the consequences of my actions. Also that she is praying for her, whatever that means.
Ultimately, we are confident with our decision and will continue with her schedule. Although, at times we do question if we made the right decision. I’m sure everything will be fine. But my mother seriously needs to chill out! | 5,109 | 2022-10-26T00:09:53 | My mom turned her guest room into a nursery after I told her she will never meet my child | INCONCLUSIVE | snowlock27 | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ydjt2q/my_mom_turned_her_guest_room_into_a_nursery_after/ | false | false | [
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ydsrym | This is a new update to a story first shared [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/v2wzpg/ops_daughter_disinvites_op_from_graduation_in/) 4 months ago. As I usually do, I've marked the newest update with 🔴🔴🔴's so you can skip the first two parts if you don't need the refresher.
Originally posted by u/Hopeful_Picture586 in r/AmItheAsshole on June 1, '22, first update later the same day, newest update on Oct 16, '22. I have changed the initials to fake names and fixed some spelling errors for ease of reading.
[Original](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/v2m887/aita_for_refusing_to_go_to_my_daughter_graduation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I (40sF) have a daughter (18F) who I’ll call Bev. When she was younger, her father (broke up before she was born) was very involved in her life and she was admittedly a “dad’s girl” but this all changed when she turned 8 and he got married. He barely called and just abandoned her for his new family. This was obviously hard on her and she rebelled a lot. But she went to therapy and seemed good. She has been in therapy for the past 10 years. She still goes. Bev has not seen him since she was 12 and he speaks to her maybe 3 times a year maximum. When he calls, she believes he is now back in her life for good then he ghosts her for the remainder of the year. This being said, Bev and I have a great relationship, we do everything together. She even refers to me as her best friend so I’d say we have a good relationship.
Recently was her graduation and I was excited. But then she came to me a week before and told me she is going to invite her dad and his son. And cuz her dad doesn’t want to see me, I can’t come. Bev told me that was the only way he was gonna go. I angrily told her, I felt betrayed and wont forgive her for this. She just told me I have been there for many of her milestones and she wants her father to experience some too. Things got heated and we argued.
The night before her graduation, I pleaded with her but she ignored me when I spoke. And only said “I’m sorry but I’m not changing my mind. I left and cried until my sister offered to take me out during the graduation to take my mind of it and I agreed.
I woke up the next morning to my daughter bawling her eyes out. I looked at the time and realised the ceremony starts in 5 minutes. I asked Bev why she hasn’t left yet. Bev then tells me her father ditched her and isn’t answering anymore. I hug her and tell her to make the most of her graduation. She looked shocked and asks if I’m not going to the ceremony now her father isn’t anymore.
She continued, about how it’ll be embarrassing to be the only one there without parents. I told I’m sorry that I already had plans. She then screamed and called me a bad mom. I apologise once again and got ready to meet my sister. I chose not to go because I felt betrayed and wanted to teach her actions have consequences, even if it broke me that i didn’t go.
Since Bev returned she hasn’t spoken a word to me. And she looks depressed and like she’s been crying for ages. I’m starting to regret not going.
My sister says I did the right thing, but one of the moms at my daughter school said she was depressed at graduation and now I feel bad that I ruined what was suppose to be a day to remember because I wanted to teach my daughter a lesson. So aita?
She had the tickets and I can only enter with tickets. And she was obviously not going to give them to me. I would not have mind going with her father actually, I even proposed that but she said no. Honestly we broke up on good terms. I haven’t spoken to him in years though. And when I have seen their messages, it’s always small talk and nothing about me. So I don’t where this came from.
I respected her decision and didn't go. She didn't console me, even when I have done it for her countless times when her dad ditched her. She takes me for granted as she know I’ll always be there for her. She knew how much I was excited for her graduation, I was speaking about it a year before her senior year yet she uninvited me so callously.
I’ve taught her that "Her real family will be there to support her, even when they’re disappointed in her choices," millions of times over the past 10 years. I’ve dropped everything to console her. And it wasn’t just that she uninvited me, she did it in a way that was so callous. How long am I going to have to wait till she learns that lesson?
I have supported her, her whole life. Every time she ignores my advice when I tell her to not fall for his tricks. I beg her to leave him alone. And Every time she chooses the possibility of him over her own mother who is there 24/7 for her. And for her not invite me to her graduation, even when I too cried. The way I see it, actions have consequences.
I wasn’t going to set a precedent that she can treat me like shit and abandon me because she feels like it . Parents are humans too and as much we selflessly do things for our children. let’s not kid ourselves and say it is not nice to be appreciated. For the past 10 years, I have not been appreciated and instead have been tossed aside 24/7 for a father who abandons her.
Parents need love too. All these comments are acting like we’re robots that cannot feel emotions ever. This is the first time I ever said no to her. For 18 years I have done everything I could to make sure she doesn’t feel abandoned like her father and she just ditches me. I know parenting is self less but I want to feel appreciated. And I’m always second choice to a man that’s doesn’t appreciate her. Thank you for understanding.
**UPDATE**
[update posted 6 hours later](https://www.reddit.com/user/Hopeful_Picture586/comments/v2vhs2/update_aita_for_refusing_to_go_to_my_daughter/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I don’t think I’m a bad mom for this one thing. And I accept the judgements and read everything. To answer your question: Bev does go therapy. This isn’t the first time Bev has ditched me for her dad, she been doing it for 10 years. This is the first time I have said no to her after he father abandoned her. I have asked her therapist, if Bev is being manipulated. and she said no based on Bev and her father’s messages, and my daughter is just grasping onto a reality that isn’t there
Update: I went to my daughter and apologised for not going to her graduation. I also explained that it is not a nice feeling to be left out and I feel under appreciated. Also, that is fine to want her father there for her, but I should too. Bev told me that she’s sorry things ended this way and that she loves me (hugged me) and wants things to go back to normal. And that she acted like a bitch. I told her nevertheless I should have been there and if I could do this all over again, I would’ve gone. ( honestly I said this as I thought she now knew her dad can’t be trusted- and I felt for her).
Then I asked her if she regretted uninviting me in the first place and unsurprisingly she said no. This hurt me but I figured it was because I didn’t go so it was understandable. But no, she continued saying that it was probably best I didn’t go because she would’ve been more miserable as she would have preferred her dad to be there anyway. Then I got pissed (I didn’t show it). I told her my feeling were hurt, especially since I’ve been there for her.
She said that she’s always going to want her dad there for her big moments. I asked, even at the expense of me and knowing he most likely won’t show. And she replied “I mean if I have to make sacrifices, I’m going to, to have my dad there. I repeated the question as she seemed to be swerving it but she just shrugged and went on her phone.
I told her not to expect everyone to apologise and turn a blind eye when she doesn’t value them in the real world. And i also said, knowing how she feels, don’t expect another apology from me and this is the last time I’m doing this. She looked teary eyed but I left.
She was not angry when we had this conversation. And I know my daughter enough to know when she’s being insincere. And she told hugged and kiss before saying this but it’s fine, I know I’ll have to accept this is how it’s going to be.
I don’t know how other parents do this. I know her father is going to keep abandoning her and honestly I’m at my limit. And If I didn’t know whether I was wrong or not before, I definitely know I was right in not going. I know I’m going to get a lot of backlash saying this but I’m bitter and angry.
I understand wanting her dad there but I should be on the same level of importance as him. I’m still going to be there for her when he inevitable ditches her again but if this behaviour carries on to her next graduation or wedding day. I can’t say I’ll be that apologetic to her. I should’ve just listened to NTA.
🔴🔴🔴
[New Update 4 months later](https://www.reddit.com/user/Hopeful_Picture586/comments/y5nupu/2nd_update_aita_for_refusing_to_to_my_daughter/)
I’m sure no one asked for this update but here goes.
I’m going to refer to Bev’s father as Fred.
For the past few months I’ve done a lot of reflection. Although, I can’t say I regret not going to Bev’s graduation ceremony, I do wish I handled the situation more like an adult. Growing up, I was taught never to ask questions I don’t want the answer to and that is exactly what I did with my daughter. I shouldn’t have asked if she regretted uninviting me because truthfully I didn’t want to hear the answer. And for that, i think I acted childish.
To clear up some misconception: I don’t speak to Bev’s father simply because he refuses to be cooperative. Also, when I said Bev referred to me as her “best friend”. This doesn’t mean I treat her like my equal. I do parent her, she did get grounded and got her phone taken away when she misbehaved at school etc( which is rarely). I think she calls me that because she feels comfortable to talk to me about everything.
Now to the update: There was an incident after, where Bev wanted her dad’s help her move into her college apartment before term started but he refused because he “had work”. She begged for weeks. The whole 3 hour ride to her college was her crying hysterically. My sister consoled her but if I’m being honest I was pissed. Pissed at my daughter as she refuses to go therapy anymore, but seriously pissed at my ex.
It took me ages after graduation but I finally got in contact with Fred’s aunt. I explained the situation and that I need to get into contact with him as he’s either ignoring or not getting my messages. He ended up sending me a very long letter. In a small nutshell, it said that my daughter has been stalking and threatening him and his family and he’s been trying to have a healthy relationship with her but she keeps being aggressive so he had to distance himself. He acknowledges he hasn’t been the best father but he tried for the past few years and Bev is too aggressive so he had to put the safety of his family first. As for the graduation, he wrote that he definitely refused to go. And only said it was probably for the best as I probably wouldn’t feel too comfortable with him there. He said not to contact him again and that we’ve done enough damage.
He added photocopies of messages between him and Bev, where she “says” deeply troubling things, like physical threats. Personally, I thought everything he said was BS and misconstrued. I spoke to Bev and told her of her father’s accusations. She broke down in tears hysterically and admitted that she hasn’t been the nicest to Fred’s wife and child (understandably) but she never threatened and stalked them. I was trying to calm her down. I told her I believe her and suggested therapy. Then she turned on me, blaming me for the breakdown between her and her father relationship. She swore at me and broke stuff. She told me to stop trying to villainize her father, when I’m the problem. She called me a burden and cancer and said I should’ve stayed out of her business. I was called a bad mother and told I should burn in hell. To be clear, she was never violent towards me. She packed her stuff and left, presumably back to college. Me or my family haven’t heard from her since. I called and called but only got one message from a random number telling me to leave her alone. I told her I’m always here when’s she’s ready to talk.
It’s been 2+ months since I spoke to her. I’ll never admit this to anyone but honestly I feel relieved. My self esteem plummeted and I felt dead for the longest time because of this situation. I’m going to therapy and feel the tiniest bit better. I finally went on a date yesterday for the first time in a decade, without getting guilted. In hindsight, mine and Bev’s relationship were no where near perfect. I don’t know what more I could’ve done but I wished I did more. She’s my child and she was a victim of an overall shit situation.
Sorry for the long update. | 16,148 | 2022-10-26T08:30:53 | Mom Uninvited From Daughters Graduation In Favor Of Absent Father NEW Update (AITA Oct 16, '22) | NEW UPDATE | KittenDealinMama | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ydsrym/mom_uninvited_from_daughters_graduation_in_favor/ | false | false | [
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ydtd7w | Originally posted by u/mrskettle in r/AmItheAsshole & r/relationship_advice on Feb 3, '20, updated Oct 19, '22
Trigger Warning: domestic abuse, dru addiction
[First post Feb 3, '20](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/ey3w8s/comment/fgf0axq/)
I've been on nightshifts for the last 3 night's. The shifts this week have been rough, I work in an industrial environment so I am filthy by the end of the shift and exhausted, I can also be pretty grumpy. I've also gotten into the habit of putting my phone on silent so when I get home I can try to sleep better during the day.
I got home this morning, fixed my husband's cars windscreen wiper (it had come loose during the drive home) and went inside. My husband had been drinking, since before I got home, and first thing he said was "I guess you didn't get my text."
I checked my phone in front of him and noticed the message, he had sent it while I was fixing his car.
He wanted me to go get him breakfast from one of the drive thrus as well as grab a few other things from the shops.
I was irritated by his request and said (in a not so nice tone) that I was tired from work and that he could just have something from the cupboard or the fridge.
He got agitated, claiming that I read the text before I got home and ignored it because I'm "lazy", then tried to make a point that there was nothing he could eat here and that he couldn't drive because he was drunk. I checked and we have food here all he had to do was cook it, which I told him to do.
After my shower he asked again for me to go get him food and again I stated that I was tired and would be going to sleep right now. He angrily told me to get out of the loungeroom and close the door.
After I woke up, this afternoon, I went to the shops and then made dinner. He's won't talk to me and is refusing to eat what I have cooked. Admittedly I feel a little guilty for refusing to get him anything this morning or at least being kinda grumpy about it.
AITA for refusing to at least go through the drive thru to get him food?
[1st Update Aug 18, '20](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/ibznks/my_husband_refused_to_hug_me_when_i_was_in_the/)
*Deleted and recovered [here](https://www.reveddit.com/v/relationship_advice/comments/ibznks/my_husband_refused_to_hug_me_when_i_was_in_the/)
My husband (39) and I (34F) have been together for 14 years. We live in Australia, he is currently unemployed and I work full-time, not sure if that is relevant or not. We have no kids.
I have been sick the last 6 days with ongoing headaches, nausea/vomiting and even had chills and a confirmed fever at one point. My husband hasn't really believed me claiming I'm basically making a big deal out of nothing. He still went and got me painkillers, things I needed and cooked dinner so I was grateful for that and I felt like he was being supportive enough.
I've been to the hospital 3 times in those 6 days. First time it was my GPs advice after I told her I had thrown up after getting my headaches (husband dropped me off and picked me up). Second time was yesterday morning at 2am (I drove myself cos my husband had been drinking). On top of headaches I had thrown up, had chills and hot flushes. Turns out I had a fever. I was given strong painkillers, an antibiotic and a tablet to stop any nausea and sent home. I had my GP appointment after 12pm that same day and they asked me to go back to the hospital for more testing.
I asked my husband to drive me, which he tried to protest, at first, but then did. He dropped me off and I told him I'd keep him informed about what's going on.
From then I was given a covid screen (everyone has to be questioned before they get treated), different tests/scans, fluids and asked lots of questions over a period of 5 hours. I was tired, stressed, my headache felt like it was getting worse (I had sunglasses on because the lights were hurting my eyes) and the doctors hadn't spoken to me about any results of the tests I had taken. The doctor eventually said that I should stay overnight for observations and that they were thinking about doing one more invasive test in the morning. They then gave me panadol and endone for my headaches.
I had been keeping my husband posted all day about the tests, and what they were doing, and when they said overnight stay I asked him to grab a few things for me and bring them up. There were a few things he needed to grab from the shops but he said that was no problem.
After 20-30 mins I was in my room and the endone had kicked in. Even though the headache was slowly going away, I was starting feeling a little depressed about my situation and wanted to go home. Husband showed up about 30 minutes afterwards with my things for the night.
I was in a private room, sitting up in bed and there were plenty of chairs but even after asking him to sit down he refused and was pacing around the room, investigating everything and was organising the things I already had with me like my glasses and phone. I was grateful that he seemed to be caring about me but when he was talking he was talking at me not really to me and didn't seem interested in holding a proper conversation at all. I felt touch starved by this point, I had been poked and prodded a lot that day by nurses and doctors, all of them very nice people doing their jobs but I just needed a hug. My husband always demands hugs from me at home, to the point of badgering, so I asked for one while I was sitting up in bed.
He said no.
I was a bit shocked and asked again, trying to say "please I really needed one after today" but I started choking up a bit near the end of my sentence. He said no again then stated me "tearing up" wasn't going to make him change his mind. Everything had piled up on me by that stage and I think under the influence of the endone I cried. He hugged me after I started crying but didn't apologize or offer any sympathetic words. He just said things like "nothing's wrong", "you're being a sook" and "This is why I don't see doctors". He did give me a hug before he left, once again no reassuring or comforting words, but I was so angry and sad because this is the first time since we've been together that I've ended up in the hospital for anything and even though he brought me things I needed, I really needed him to be there as emotional support and he waited until I was an emotional wreak to give that to me and even then it was half hearted.
I felt so much better this morning but was tired due to nurses checking in on my every 2-3 hours. I still have a headache but it's much better now.
When I spoke to the doctor they seemed to suspected I had viral meningitis simply due to the symptoms I displayed (he explained that it was basically swelling of the membrane around the brain and that it takes a little over a week to recover from it) and that all the other tests looked good; they opted out of the other test (which would have been painful), gave me a script for strong painkillers and then discharged me with orders to lie down and relax at home.
I got my husband to pick me up.
Soon as we got home he started hounding me to do cat litter, which I understand needs to be done but I was still tired with a headache that was now growing again and said I'd do it later on. He then tried to berate me about it so I told him to "back off" and that I literally just got out of hospital and have been told to lie down. To which I was told I was just "being lazy." Then he tried to make me make him breakfast as he was tired because he was up all night. Once again told him no and that I was going to have a rest and explained about the nurses. Once again he said I was just being "lazy". He even asked me if I was going to cook dinner tonight, after I had woken from a nap. I said no I'd do it tomorrow, to which he mumbled something under his breath before he cooked dinner for us both anyway. Once again he seems to think I overexaggerated my headaches and claims I wasn't sick at all.
This relationship has always been very far from perfect, we both have our flaws, but I always thought he'd be there for me during something like this but I feel like he's proved me wrong...I'm not sure I even want to stay married anymore. If I did break things off I wouldn't even know where to start.
Would it be wrong for me to leave over something like this? Am I overreacting? Or was I being too needy or expecting too much from him? I just need an outside perspective on this.
[2 years later](https://www.reddit.com/user/MrsKettle/comments/y81u1m/i_left_my_husband/)
I'm just writing this on my own page just as an update for anyone who may have seen my aita and relationship advice post a couple of years ago. I deleted the aita posts when I was with my husband as, at the time, I was worried he'd find out about it and blow up at me.
Last year I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety and was sent to counselling sessions. I was debating with myself about leaving my husband during the sessions, even had some measures in place, but it was after my birthday that I decided I needed to leave for my own mental health.
On the day I had just finished nightshift, showered (at work) and opened a new bank account. When I got home I put some things into my car and as I was working myself up to go talk to him he opened the loungeroom door and I told him I was leaving.
I had this little speech that I had typed out earlier that night but it all went out the window and as hard as I tried I cried. He didn't yell or anything. Didn't try to stop me from leaving so I got the rest of the things I needed and left.
I went to my dads place first, told him and his gf then I rang my sister to let her know what was going on. I tried to have a nap at my dads, really I just wanted to be left alone until I could go to my friends place. When I eventually got to my friends she gave me a hug, and most of the next few days were a blur. I don't think I really left the bedroom that much. My friend and her husband told me I could stay as long as I needed (as my dad and his gf have a toxic relationship).
I stayed there for a month before renting my own place.
During that month my ex and I talked, he wanted to get back together and admitted to me that he was on meth. Side note: He had used it in the past and I forgave him and he stopped using it (I stupidly believed him as he had gained weight and appeared normal but looking back there were signs).
When he was begging for us to get back together I said I'd only consider it if we went to a marriage counsellor, which he refused saying that we could be "eachothers counsellors", that we can "try for a baby, no more waiting", that my friends convinced me to leave him (he's told all his friends and family this) and that we can just focus on eachother. He had a list of the things that "we can focus on". It was heartbreaking, everything I wanted was on the list, I wanted kids, I wanted him to be proactive, I wanted him to be the person I fell in love with but I knew that this was all just him trying to manipulate me. Which hurts to know.
He kept the cat in the end, I did ask if he wanted to keep her (she's registered in his name so I couldn't just take her with me).
I have come to terms with the fact that he was abusive towards me. I know I'm no saint but the way he dealt with his anger towards me was not healthy in any way.
Unfortunately my depression and anxiety has gotten worse and I was diagnosed with PTSD after a workplace accident (a story for another time) and have been having some health issues that I'm working through.
Right now I feel like I'm at a cross road and I need to choose which path I want to take. Once I get my divorce and the house is sold I won't have anything holding me back anymore.
I look forward to that day.
TLDR: I left my husband and am looking forward to the future
*Our OOP is a badass and I'm so proud of her for making it out. I hope her story lends courage to another man or woman who needs it.* | 3,814 | 2022-10-26T09:09:46 | A Woman Finds The Courage To Leave Her Abusive Husband - 2 Year Update (RA Oct 19, '22) | CONCLUDED | KittenDealinMama | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ydtd7w/a_woman_finds_the_courage_to_leave_her_abusive/ | false | false | [
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ydw669 | I am NOT OP. Original post by [u/VioletThunderX](https://www.reddit.com/user/VioletThunderX/) in [r/TwoXIndia](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXIndia/)
trigger warnings: >!lonely in a new country!<
mood spoilers: >!he respected her boundaries!<
[**Original post:**](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXIndia/comments/y1s1mi/i_was_nice_to_a_guy_in_my_class_and_now_hes_super/) **(Oct 12, 2022)**
Earlier in August, I met a guy in class who is from my home town back in India. He DMed me asking to collaborate on a class project since we have overlapping research interests. So after a month or so we became friends. Everything was fine but recently he has become so needy- he calls me for any inconvenience he faces and often I am busy so I don’t pick up. He gives it 45 mins and calls me again. And the pattern repeats.
He has not made any other “moves” or comments to hit on me or anything, he knows I’m in a relationship and is super polite. But oh man, he doesn’t understand phone etiquette. Usually I thought we should wait for the person to call us back if we already called them and they didn’t pick up. Or like send a follow up text asking when is a good time to call.
But this guy just calls without any notice, and it isn’t even urgent. One time he called and wanted to discuss his bowel movement with me and I was like 💀💀💀 I think he is lonely and doesn’t have many friends, so that’s why I was nice to him and showed him the ropes of moving to a new country. Did not sign up to be on the receiving end of useless phone calls.
I want to have a talk with him about this, but am I being mean? I feel so bad telling him to tone it down a bit. I genuinely don’t mind helping but the other day he called me 6 times at like 11:30 pm. When I asked the next morning if he’s ok, he just said he wanted to sit on a zoom call and debug his code. That to me is something you don’t bother at 11:30 pm for.
Am I the mean person here?
[**Update:**](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXIndia/comments/y7vzij/update_i_was_nice_to_a_guy_in_my_class_and_now/) **(Oct 19 2022)**
So following everyone’s advice and what I was already kind of considering but needed to hear it from others, I realized I have to talk to him about boundaries.
Thankfully, it came up naturally when one time he asked me if we can discuss stuff for our project at around 11. I said no, I am not available after 9 pm since I put my phone on do not disturb and only respond to family and my SO. He was very receptive to that, he said sorry for the previous times and has not tried to call me after 9. He does text after but it’s not needy, more like “hey when you’re up, can we discuss about our project?”
So I’m glad it went smoothly. Although I think just beyond me, he is very lonely. I think he is wanting friends. And I think he’s not confident in his own skills/ work. Altho he’s respecting my time, I think he’s very reliant on me to sort of… confirm and validate his work. Which is kind of exhausting.
This makes me maintain more boundaries but I also get it. Moving to a new country is not easy. So as someone suggested on my previous post, I’m being firm but kind. He needs to learn self sufficiency ( he has never lived by himself), but I’m not his life guru or anything. I am helping him but not codling.
Just wanted to update you guys :)
\*\*Reminder - I am not the original poster.\*\* | 4,394 | 2022-10-26T11:52:19 | I was nice to a guy in my class and now he’s super needy | CONCLUDED | introvert_kalel | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ydw669/i_was_nice_to_a_guy_in_my_class_and_now_hes_super/ | false | false | [
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**I am not OP.**
Posted by u/uglywoman
&nbsp;
[**Original**](https://www.reddit.com/13g0wt/) _- November 19, 2012_
I am an unattractive woman, objectively. I've always been this way and while I have accustomed myself to it, it nonetheless remains a daily fact that being an ugly woman sucks.
I met my husband four years ago and he is greatest thing that's ever happened to me. He has always and frequently told me I'm beautiful, and somehow sounded honest, without sounding like my mother - like someone without another option to answer.
Last night (Saturday) he had a group of friends over to our home, they meet several times a month to hangout, catch up and play games. He has known most of these guys since highschool. I was upstairs in the kitchen preparing a drinks and snacks when and was able to hear them in the basement and began to eavesdrop (which I know was rude but it wasn't really intentional). I realized they were talking about me, a couple of guys were teasing my husband about me, specifically about my looks. I could tell it was supposed to be funny. It was not.
There was a point where one of them referred to me as a "troll", and my husband blew up, started shouting. "Listen, SHUT THE FUCK UP. **I know that \[my name\] is ugly** but shut up. She makes me happy. Does your bimbo of the week do that Jim? Dave how long has it been since we've hung out and you haven't bitched about your wife? " (not real names)
He went on for a while, "defending" me. But all I could hear was " I know she's ugly, I know she's ugly, I know she's ugly" again and again in my head. It just broke me I don't know why. I've always know I'm unattractive but *HE* isn't supposed too! He tells me I'm beautiful so sincerely and consistently i'd started to actually believe he thought that.
I started to cry and ran into a shower so no one could hear me. When I came out and hour later everyone had gone home, far earlier then normal. I went to bed and then haven't spoken too him all day today, but I think i've been able to avoid letting him know I'm upset, or avoiding him. I know rationally that what he said was true and sweet, and that I sound be happy he loves me and not my body but IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MATTER. I just want to be pretty. God I feel so shallow. I've been crying all day. What do I say to him? Part of me wants to call him a liar to scream and yell and cry, while the other part just wants to run away and never have to talk to him again and acknowledge that even the greatest man I will ever meet can't find me attractive.
**TL;DR** overheard husband admit to friends that I am ugly. Even although I knew this to be true already and the admitting happened in the midst of him explaining how much he loves me, it makes me feel terrible, worthless and like I lost something i'd waited my whole life for, i'd given up hope i'd ever have a partner who even liked me before I met him. I lost a lottery spectacularly at birth, and my life feels like a big joke a cycle of humiliation and punishment I did nothing to deserve. I don't even know how to talk to him.
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[**Update**](https://www.reddit.com/13je9e/) _- November 21, 2012_
**This one turned out really long, sorry.**
First off, I'd just like to say thanks. Just wow. Over the last two days I've had literally hundreds of messages (and PMs), you guys rock. Seriously look at that thread, that's got to have one best positivity and sweetness to meanness and jerks ratios on all of reddit, like ever. You guys knocked it out of the park for me, I'm still figure out why.
So yesterday after getting a barrage of support from you guys on my phone every couple minutes non-stop all day, I decided to try and confront my husband over what I'd over heard. After we were both home from work I told him I needed to talk. I told him I'd over heard him and his friends and he immediately started to apologize for them saying they were jerks and assholes and that I should have told him I'd heard.
I had to stop him to let me get a word in and tell him it wasn't his friends so much as it was what HE said. When I told him what he said his whole tone changed, I could tell wasn't expecting to be blamed. I had had the whole conversation planned out; I wanted to explain how it made me feel, how I thought he really was attracted to me and how betrayed it made me feel to hear him that behind my back.
but I just started to cry, and couldn't really communicate what I wanted to say very well. He was awesome tho and just held me, and then after a minute started to speak like he was reading right out of the nicest comments in the original thread, telling me he was just angry and didn't speak very well. That he really does find me attractive even if the world doesn't, and his friends don't.
I calmed down pretty quick; I'd basically cried myself out the day before. He took me to his computer and showed me an email he sent to all of his friends on Sunday. I wish I could copy paste it now, but he basically called all his friends assholes, said they'd crossed the line from good natured trash talk to just being assholes and then continued going far beyond. He said that, for time indefinite they'd have to find another host, were no longer welcome in my home (he actually said "\[my name\]'s home", I thought that would make it sound like I was ordering him around being a bitch, but he said he just wanted to empathize how wrong what they were doing was). Seeing him stand up for me again made me happy, especially seeing me do it without talking bad about me, helping me believe it really was just heat of the moment bad word choice.
He told me to wait in the room and left, coming back with a folder. He said he was going to give me this for Christmas but that he'd get me something else. I tried to say no but he insisted. It was plane tickets and brochures. He's set up a trip in early January to this spa/hotel/resort thing in British Columbia. It was pretty mind blowing.
But I realized that it had to be several thousand dollars he'd spent. We budget pretty thoroughly, he shouldn't have been able to spend that without me noticing. I asked where he got the money and he said he'd been planning this for more than a year and saving all the money assigned to his weekly spending money, and collecting where I wouldn't notice, change from groceries, etc.
When I say that sometimes I'm not sure I deserve him, understand that I'm not having a crisis I need help dealing with, he's just really awesome. He's taking me out for dinner, so I have to go, but I'll be on again tonight.
**TL;DR** Everything is ok. Husband is an amazing person. I still wish I was prettier but understand how lucky I am, how happy I should be, and how prettiness and happiness are not synonyms. Thank you reddit for all the support, I owe you guys. | 23,309 | 2022-10-26T12:04:16 | Husband [30M] admits I [28F] am ugly. | REPOST | rainingsakuras | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ydwex0/husband_30m_admits_i_28f_am_ugly/ | false | false | [
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ye1gve | [Original](https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/xy9xwk/my_elementary_school_is_in_crisis_because_of_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Oct. 7, 2022
My school is next to a trailer park with 250 tenants. Roughly 30% of the students at my school live there. Recently, it sold for $16.8 million.
I got a call this last week from a grandparent who got an eviction notice taped to her door. The company that bought the trailer park told all tenants to pay rent through an online portal, but the portal doesn’t work. This grandmother dropped off a check to pay rent, but the landlord didn’t cash it. Now she thinks she’s being evicted, and she’s worried her grandson she has custody of will have to change schools.
I looked at her lease and the notice and told her it wasn’t legal because it wasn’t served by a sheriff and she’s not on a month-to-month or rent-to-own lease. The deputy I called said it was a legal "Notice to Quit" instead— not an eviction. I traced the address of the notice to a company’s PO box in Delaware, 8 hours away.
Today, the special needs aides at work told me all of their students’ parents received the same notice on their door. The new landlord is trying to force renters out so he can bulldoze the trailer park and replace it with higher occupancy apartments.
It’s a beautiful time of year with red leaves on the mountains and the fields are full of pumpkins. The kids at my school are hopeful everyday and have no bitterness in their hearts. It is absolutely insane to me that we live on a planet that could be heaven, but the circumstances of human relations created by capitalism make it hell.
[Update 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/y034ln/who_bought_my_students_trailer_park/) Oct. 9, 2022
TLDR: the trailer park across from the elementary school where I work in VA was sold to an anonymous investor and they are evicting all the tenants— possibly 20% of the students at our small school.
This is some Pynchon-level chaos involving professional football players and the Panama Papers. I’ve tried to get the help from the media, but nobody has picked it up. Maybe you guys know how to piece together what’s happening?
The public announcement of the sale does not include the name of who bought the trailer park for $16.8 million. The tenants are supposed to make out checks to PO Box 249, Englewood, NJ. So that’s all we are working with.
This address is linked to several trailer parks in Virginia with sewage issues and many trailers parks all across the country (Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Florida). One park listed is Pinecrest MHP in CA, and a document says the legal address is the Corporation Trust Center in DE which is listed in the Panama Papers as using the Isle of Man as a tax haven. A company using the same PO Box, HOA II Finance One, LLC also links back to the same Corporation Trust Center.
The name listed as a manager for some of the parks using the same PO Box all over is "Byron Fields" with an email linked to a defunct website, ourhomesofamerica.com. There’s a LinkedIn profile for Byron Fields that says he works for Homes of America, but the profile picture is of Byron Fields, Jr, who played football for Duke and signed for the Giants.
Did a professional football player use a shell corporation to buy a trailer park and evict all the tenants? Can anyone find anything else?
[Update 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/y4dqei/a_new_york_hedge_fund_manager_bought_my_students/) Oct. 14, 2022
Half the busses that take students to the elementary school where I work come from a trailer park down the road, which sold for $16 million in April.
The property itself is only assessed for a little over $2 million. It was never on the market. The buyer spent over $10 million for the land and another $6 million for the buildings, buying the park directly from the family who owned and managed it. The buyer was kept off public documents. The new owner raised the rents and now (6 months later) is evicting all the tenants.
After the sale, the tenants were told to pay rent to [the old name of the trailer park, + new 'LLC' added to the end] and a PO Box in Englewood, NJ. The PO Box is shared by a professional football player named Byron Fields, whose LinkedIn says he works forHomes of America. He was an intern for Alden during college. That guy is now the nominal 'manager' of a dozen trailer parks in the US bought by Homes for America. The PO Box gets forwarded to Corporation Trust Center, where American money disappears into offshore accounts to evade taxes.
Byron Fields didn’t buy this trailer park. On investigation, the buyer is Thomas Del Bosco, an executive of Alden Global, who bought the trailer park under a nonprofit called Homes for America. He’s also an executive of Smith Management LLC. Alden Global owns stakes in both my local paper and the bigger paper nearby me— who (surprise!) are not covering this story. Alden Global is mentioned in the Panama Papers because it’s sheltering all its money offshore.
Past investors in Alden have included the Knight Foundation (a nonprofit that, ironically, funds sustainable journalism projects), pension funds for employees of Coca-Cola, Citigroup and CalPERS (the California public employees’ retirement fund), as well as some nonprofit foundations and Swiss financial institutions… more than $236 million in pension funds for some Digital First Media employees are invested in Alden, although the company said this year it’s in the process of pulling them out.
How can hedge funds operate through nonprofits? They are buying papers, ruining them by cutting the staff in half, and creating nonprofits about sustainable journalism while investing the pensions of the employees of the papers they have bought into their own hedge fund.
If you have so much money, you can ruthlessly buy everything and create profit margins by casting out workers and tenants onto the streets. We need to jail hedge fund managers and slumlords, nationalize banking, and guarantee home ownership for Americans. It is frankly enraging how badly Americans are screwed over by finance capitalism.
I believe these students have a sense of community at our school, and eviction will traumatize them and further impoverish their parents. A 3rd grade kid named (something like) Tiny Tony told me his dad is now working everyday of the week to try and make enough to pay the hiked rent and stall off the eviction. He is so stinking cute, and he loves school. I don’t want him to be swept away.
major edit: the money is going through Homes of America LLC, not Homes FOR America (the nonprofit).
[Update 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/y4zd97/wish_me_luck/) Oct. 15, 2022
This update is an image of OP handing out flyers, telling residents who is responsible for this situation. What's important is the secrecy behind this Tom Del Bosco:
>Alright so this isn't the first time I've heard the and seen the name "Tom Del Bosco", nor is it the first time I've looked into it, nor is it the first time that name had been used for public affairs, and yet, it never really leads me anywhere. I think the name Tom Del Bosco is mostly used as an alias or coverup name to help hide a person or people. Or it's all hardcore scrubbing. You can look up Tom Del Bosco and you'll find random people from random parts of the world. Look up Alden Global and you'll find it's a hedge fund, that's it, no real history, no clients, no employees... But you might find that they just so happen to be the owners of many several news outlets. I highly fucking doubt it's coincidence. Not the first time this has happened and it's not gonna be the last, I wouldn't even be surprised if local, state, or national news says literally nothing about this purchase and eviction of people. It's all super fucking shady, but what I do wonder now is. How did OP get this sheet of paper notifying them of who to contact and who to seek aid from? I personally don't think it was someone that they know. What I do know is that everyone in the area will leave, sooner or later, for some reason or another.
Basically, if you search up Tom Del Bosco or Alden Global, all of the search results have been bogged down, you can't even find a picture of this man's face. He might have paid people to scrub him from the net.
[Update 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/y53m0b/first_knock/) Oct. 15, 2022
I typed a flier on my phone about the mass eviction happening at the trailer park where my students live. When I went to print it out at FedEx, the chick working there asked if she could share it on social media, and I said yes.
I parked at my school and walked along the highway past dead deer and haunted places. I reached the park and started talking to the families that were outside or who had their cars parked in the driveway. Every single person was kind and grateful I was doing something. I had been afraid park management would bounce me because it happened to me before but nobody has seen management in days.
Things I learned:
-An elderly man was being evicted over $12
-The mobile app they’re being required to use is tacking on crazy fees
-HUD (housing assistance) vouchers are being returned to sender, and the tenants who use assistance are now in thousands of dollars of rent debt
-a few days ago, the new manager left a hundred page packet on the tenants’ doorsteps, outlining all the new rules that could cause the residents to incur new fines. One particularly dark rule is that everyone can only have one pet now.
-A man invited me into his trailer where he lives with his young son. They showed me the floor in their bathroom had collapsed.
-The tenants were told if they didn’t pay these new fees by October 28th, they would have 3 days to move out before they would be evicted.
-Over half the tenants had been there less than a year, so there’s high turnover. Pretty much everyone said this was the only place available immediately that they could afford.
-The tenants pay between $400-$800 in rent.
-Some of the trailers are from the 1970s.
-All the notices that were eviction-related had simply been taped on peoples’ porches.
-I saw how the payment app they were now being made to use didn’t work and didn’t have any contact information about who was managing the park.
-Someone showed me that they were being charged fees with dates occurring before they moved in.
-One woman showed me how electricity didn’t work in half her trailer.
-Three men I talked to work grunt jobs at the weapons plant. One worked at Walmart. One was in construction. Only half the people I talked to were white. Three people mentioned disabilities.
In all, I was there for three hours and talked to a bunch of people. Surprisingly, I didn’t see any of my students. I walked back down the highway after dark. I had put my number on the flier but nobody has called me yet. I’m going to go back on a different day at a different time and try to talk to more people. I’m exhausted and I typed this from the bathtub.
*This is an ongoing saga, OOP seems bent on not backing down from her activism. I thought this deserves to be spread around for awareness. Let's all signal boost the hell out of this*
This email belongs to someone that can relay this story to John Oliver's show, we should let her know. Any more emails linked to the media will be helpful:
yoonie.yang@warnermedia.com
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***r/workreform banned me for spreading the word and recently added 2 new suspicious mods when I got banned 3 hours ago that then muted me the second I pointed that out. Are they Alden Global employees?*** | 22,907 | 2022-10-26T15:53:32 | Elementary school teacher vs Billionaire: Activist OOP investigates and exposes a shady hedge fund manager that bought her students' trailer park and is forcing eviction upon the poor families by jacking up the rent. | ONGOING | riverstyxoath | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ye1gve/elementary_school_teacher_vs_billionaire_activist/ | false | false | [
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ye5u8d | I was scrolling through AAM today and saw this doozy. As always, Alison's advice has not been included due to her request. I have included links to her responses at the bottom of each section.
**I am not OOP. The original post was found on the Ask A Manager forum.**
Mood Spoilers: >!honestly baffling, but a good ending I guess?!<
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**Original Post: August 2, 2022**
I have a coworker, Cersei, who is “politely” condescending. Her demeanor and tone sound nice, but her words are unprofessional and, quite frankly, rude. She is viewed very poorly by everyone in the department, which has led to multiple venting and complaining sessions, some with me included and others I’ve overheard. Some examples:
– She told our newest hire on their first day to “quit while you have the chance.”
– I mentioned that morning shifts tend to be based on seniority. She replied with, “Oh really? I come in and leave whenever I want.”
– She told our operations coordinator what they do is “easy” and “I can do that in an hour, why does it take you so long?” Mind you, this was said to the objectively single most important non-managerial person in our 100+ person department.
– She asks about the open leadership positions, claiming they are “easy” and “less work.” She is interested because “it isn’t real work and \[she\] only has to work as a therapist but can always close my door to avoid people.”
– She has said, “Why are you always here? You act like this job matters.”
– She asked multiple people if she should ask for more money within her first 90 days of hire (she makes 25-50% more than most of the staff).
– She eats but refuses to contribute to potlucks, saying “this is the least \[we\] could do for working \[her\] so hard.”
– She has been with us less than six months and has missed work 25% of the time (someone actually counted the days she has called out, not including when she has left excessively early).
– She takes breaks and disappears constantly and shows no desire to be here. She pushes all her unfinished work on her coworkers who clocked in before her.
Many, including myself, are feeling resentful due to her getting away with doing whatever she wants, which is reducing morale exponentially. Further contributing to this is her openness about how much she makes with how little she contributes to the workload. What we can agree on is that she is not the right fit, but since she signed a hefty sign-on bonus, it will be a game of chicken on firing vs quitting.
I’ve tried telling her she shouldn’t say some of these things but it is met with snarky comments like “it’s because you’re a slave” and “why are you being so uptight?” and “I don’t care.”
SHE IS POISON.
I have already addressed Cersei’s attendance with management since that has a direct impact on workflow. I figured morale would improve if she were held accountable, but her attitude has been more condescending and victimizing than ever. I am not a manager, but I may be in the best place to mention something since I have capital. How can I address this without coming off as making it personal or speaking from generalized hearsay feelings?
*Alison wrote bask asking about what the manager thinks*
She had no idea! Partially because she has over 50 direct reports. She was quick to act to enforce the attendance and time issue. I think our manager is very competent compared to those in the past (and concurrent ones). She puts things into perspective of productive versus not productive and makes data-driven decisions. It may require more people coming forward about Cersei, which appears to be an uphill battle as the people directly working with her are afraid of burdening our manager with something they feel is petty or bitter.
Alison's response and the OG post are [here](https://www.askamanager.org/2022/08/my-overpaid-coworker-is-rude-rarely-here-and-calls-us-uptight-and-slaves-for-caring-about-our-jobs.html)
**Update: August 30, 2022**
A few readers asked for an update, so…TL;DR Cersei is gone!
Some things that transpired after I sent in the letter were that Cersei asked to be moved to part-time, and they let her do 4 days a week instead of 5, with the agreement she would come in for the afternoon shift as per the conditions she was hired on. This went on for about 3 weeks, with an increased amount of call-outs for various reasons and her complaints about how “pissed” she was. When she did show up, continued to leave early each day. Some background that I didn’t mention, her commute is over an hour and a half, which was initially met with a lot of sympathy when she first started. This ended when she stopped apartment hunting in the area, opted to move in with her “long distance” boyfriend, and call-outs were exclusively weekends.
One of Cersei’s partners and I brought it up separately to another supervisor (who oversees the actual work rather than the manager who she just reports to) on a Friday. I brought our company’s attendance policy with me as support, which stated more than 6 days of unexcused absence in a 6-month period was subject to disciplinary action. I was informed that she was not on a PIP but the topic would be brought up in the next management meeting, as our manager was currently traveling out of state for work to our other site. I would have liked to assume that they were waiting for the 6-month mark to make a move, but in hindsight they probably wanted to let her quit on her own to avoid having to go through the tedious process of write-ups and ultimately firing. We were also in a hiring freeze, so losing her would not have opened up a position immediately. Some were conflicted whether bad help was better or worse than no help.
Cersei put in her 2 weeks on the following Monday. It was purely coincidental, however the supervisor I spoke to did mention my concerns to our manager. I never had the chance to speak to my manager directly about it. Her “last day” happened to be the day after her 6 months, which probably was strategically done so she only had to pay back part of her sign-on bonus. Of those last 2 weeks, she called out EVERY SINGLE DAY. There was a pot going around betting how many days she would actually show up, no one guessed 0. The coworker that kept a tally eventually counted 60+ days of absence in those 6 months, including vacation time. The last text she sent to her partner at work said, “I hope you’re happy, you never get to see me again! :)” From word of mouth, she took a job slightly closer to her boyfriend’s place with a drop in salary, actually putting her at market rate for her experience level, working full-time and some weekends.
I guess the problem resolved itself. As many pointed out, my manager having 50+ reports was ridiculous. I mentioned this in the comments, but we had Cersei’s supervisor resign and another fired (ironic) at the same time, which led to my manager inheriting 30+ people for a few months. Shortly after Cersei’s departure, some promotions and hirings happened, so now my manager only oversees 15 people and the reports are evenly distributed among a full management staff. Part of me hoped to have seen how my manager would have taken action, but in the end the department got what we wanted. We now have an inside joke about referring to call-outs as “pulling a Cersei.” Winter has passed.
The update post is [here](https://www.askamanager.org/2022/08/update-my-overpaid-coworker-is-rude-rarely-here-and-calls-us-uptight-and-slaves-for-caring-about-our-jobs.html)
**Honestly I wanted to post this one because there is a part of me that is just... astonished and slightly in awe that she got away with that behavior for so long.** | 4,358 | 2022-10-26T18:55:39 | My overpaid coworker is rude, rarely here, and calls us “uptight” and “slaves” for caring about our jobs | EXTERNAL | LucyAriaRose | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ye5u8d/my_overpaid_coworker_is_rude_rarely_here_and/ | false | false | [
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ye7xsc | I am NOT OP. Original post in /r/TooAfraidToAsk by u/ Su1k0n with permission.
**Do not contact OOP. We have permission but he does NOT want to talk about it further. Do not comment on the original post.**
trigger warnings: >!sobriety issues!<
mood spoilers: >!positive!<
**VERY SHORT UPDATE**
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[**Ate out a stripper yesterday, could I possibly be fine?**](https://www.reddit.com/r/TooAfraidToAsk/comments/uvhmxe/ate_out_a_stripper_yesterday_could_i_possibly_be/) - May 22 2022
(18M) So yesterday was my 18th birthday, and it had been the plan for over 2 years that me and my squad would all go to a strip club when I turned 18. Got there, everybody from the bouncer to the dancers were extra nice, ordered a bottle of ciroc (this is important for later) and we started talking to the girls. One of the dancers that was sitting with us offered me a private dance, and since it was my birthday, my friends paid for me. Anyways, we got up there, she got naked and started giving me that dance. After 3 or maybe 4 songs, I was getting really handy, and she offered me to eat her out.
Now, in a sober state of mind I would obviously never accept this, but I was skiing real fucking hard and the liquor on top of that made it seem like the hottest thing in the world (which, to be fair, she was really fucking hot). So, I get to it, also realised that she was actually into it as well which made me feel even better, and leave the room shortly after she (allegedly) cums.
Now, the reason why I think ciroc might be an mvp here. I woke up this morning obviously stressed as fuck, knowing that I just put my whole mouth on some less than unsafe spot. Yet, not a single pimple or iritation to be found. She was probably safe, but my question is: if she wasnt, could it be that drinking so much strong alcohol in such a short period of time (I drank half the bottle in under 4h) would actually sanitize my mouth in a way? I know this is super long winded for no reason but I just wanted to ask wether it was possible or not.
Tldr: ate out a stripper and I think that drinking a lot of strong alcohol might have sanitized my mouth🥴
Edit: just confirmed my appointment for screening this thursday, my fault for the beyond far fetched theory I just really didnt wanna accept that I fucked up lmao. The comments made me chuckle, yall stay safe🤣
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**UPDATE** - Oct 12 2022
I'm off coke and don't even drink anymore. The stripper story was only an event in my drug fueled bullshit. That event and many other depraved things made me realise how far I was gone, I have since completely turned my life around and believe I am back on the right track.
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**Reminder - Do not comment on the original post. Do not contact OOP. Marked inconclusive since the dr appt isn't addressed.** | 3,216 | 2022-10-26T20:23:35 | OOP: Ate out a stripper yesterday, could I possibly be fine? [Short Update] | INCONCLUSIVE | bestupdator | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/ye7xsc/oop_ate_out_a_stripper_yesterday_could_i_possibly/ | false | false | [
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yemcv6 | **I am NOT OP. Original post by u/throwaway_aita_5212 in r/AmItheAsshole**
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[**AITA for telling my brother I can't babysit my niece, because me and my boyfriend planned a date night?**](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/y75oyb/aita_for_telling_my_brother_i_cant_babysit_my/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) - 18th Oct 2022
(Throwaway)
The place I (28f) worked at downsized and I lost my job earlier this year. I found another but it pays significantly less. Me and my boyfriend 'Rob' (38M) recently moved out as the rent was too high, and we've been looking for a more affordable place. My brother 'Jack' (36m) let us stay at his place while we sort everything out and we're grateful to him.
Jack's profession means his work hours are all over the place. My niece 'Lacey' (3F) usually stays with a sitter or with her maternal grandparents while Jack's at work. Since I've been staying here I've also looked after her a couple of times when I don't have other plans.
A couple of days ago Jack got called in unexpectedly and he asked if we could look after Lacey. The issue was that me and Rob were planning to go out for dinner and a movie later. I said sorry, but we couldn't. Jack got extremely pushy and said to take Lacey with us and he'll pay, but obviously me and Rob weren't onboard with this as it's supposed to be a date night, on top of the movie not being suitable for kids. He also told us to reschedule, but we did end up going.
Side note, it wasn't an emergency. Jack was able to call in and say he couldn't make it, but he's been really pissed at me and apparently his seniors aren't too happy with him. Again, we did apologize, and Rob later said Jack should've planned better.
He's still pretty mad at us, so AITA?
>Verdict: YTA
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[Update here](https://www.reddit.com/user/throwaway_aita_5212/comments/y7w59b/update_aita_for_telling_my_brother_i_cant_babysit/) 19th Oct 2022
It's pretty late but quite a bit has happened so I thought I'd update.
To answer some common questions I noticed 1. yes Rob works, he's not unemployed 2. people asking what type of job Jack has that has such odd hours, he's a surgeon 3. we've been here for 3 weeks
Long story short, after Jack got home we all had a serious discussion. I'd already talked to mom about the situation and she told us to move to hers, so me and Rob will be moving out of Jack's place tomorrow.
Jack basically told us we need to leave, and I said that it's already been sorted. Again we thanked him for letting us stay, he made some snarky comments about how we 'shouldn't be going out anywhere' to save for rent (not for this situation specifically, we're going on a family holiday in December so I think he was jabbing at that. This doesn't make much sense to me as he and Lacey are going on an expensive European holiday for the New Years, but okay). I had enough, I eventually just replied that I hope he never has to go through any type of struggle.
He actually even got Lacey involved against us. Apparently she saw him crying last night and this little 3 year old came up to us, saying that we made her daddy sad (something along those lines).
But yeah, that's about it, and we'll be moving out.
Edit: he got called in to work that day as a standby surgeon or something like that. He wasn't the lead surgeon, so he was able to say he couldn't make it and they called someone else.
And also, as I mentioned, me and Rob both did apologize to him, and Rob also did for saying the thing about planning, which I also agree he shouldn't have said.
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**Reminder - I am not the original poster.** | 9,920 | 2022-10-27T08:25:03 | OOP decided going for date night was more important than looking after niece | CONCLUDED | TrashyZuidas | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/yemcv6/oop_decided_going_for_date_night_was_more/ | false | false | [
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yet7uc | **I am NOT OP. Original post by deleted account in** r/relationships
trigger warnings: NONE
mood spoilers: >!sad & unfortunate but life happens!<
[**He’s the love of my life but I \[27/F\] don’t know if I can handle the demands of my chef boyfriend’s \[26/M\] career.**](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/2o2fc8/hes_the_love_of_my_life_but_i_27f_dont_know_if_i/) \- 2^(nd) Dec 2014
My boyfriend and I have been through some trying times over the past 4 years, and through it all we’ve been each other’s support. We complement each other so well. Long story short, he’s the love of my life.
When we first met he was unemployed after recently quitting his job as an EMT. He said he was unsatisfied because he didn’t feel like it was for him, and was searching for direction. He mentioned before that he’s always had a passion for cooking, so I urged him to follow his gut and do what would bring him happiness. I encouraged him to enroll in culinary school.
Since then he’s moved up quickly, and after graduating and 2 years in the industry, he opened a hot new restaurant as sous chef. He’s really come alive since switching industries. He’s got this fiery energy, this sparkle in his eyes when talking about the action in the kitchen, new recipes he’s come up with, or dreams of opening his own restaurant. I’m extremely proud of his accomplishments, and seeing this amazing passion he has for what he does makes me love him even more. He inspires me to follow my dreams.
The thing is, I had no idea how demanding his career would be. I’ve never worked in the restaurant industry, and I’ve never personally met another chef before I started dating one. He works crazy hours -- 70, sometimes 80 hours a week. We don’t live together, and I only see him for a few hours on the weekends when I can stay up late. Half that time we’re asleep because it’s 3 in the morning, I’m sleepy and he’s exhausted.
He’s got one day off a week (if that), which is pretty much the only time he has to relax, catch up with family, friends, and me. I’m a 9-5er and I’m asleep by the time he gets off work. I speak to him twice a day if I’m lucky. Once in the morning, which is a rushed 5-minute conversation since I’m at work, and once in the evening when he gets off work, which I hardly even remember because I’m asleep and only half-conscious.
We can’t text while he’s working, which is all the time. He works every holiday. Thanksgiving, Christmas, new years, Valentine’s Day are all busy restaurant days. Birthdays and anniversaries are not guaranteed off either.
Through it all I’ve been super supportive. I’ve gotten kind of used to him not being around. I’ve taken up yoga and kickboxing and have started reading way more books and watching way more movies. I’ve even kind of gotten used to going to parties and events alone.
Most days are okay. I keep myself so busy with friends and hobbies that I sometimes forget I miss him so much. But other days are horrible. Yesterday he told me he made plans to see his friends in the evening when they got off work. After we hung up I broke down in tears because I had been looking forward to seeing him all week. But I can’t even be mad. It’s his only free day and it’s not fair for me to take up all his time. We hardly ever have sex. There’s just no time and no energy.
When we do spend time together on those rare Mondays, we don’t go out because he’s so tired. I cherish these moments just cuddled up on the couch because they don’t happen often. I don’t speak to him about my feelings of loneliness because I don’t want to burden him with my emotions on his sole day of relaxation, especially since that’s just the nature of the industry and he can’t do anything about it.
This is the guy I want to grow old with and have babies with. He’s the one with whom I want to share the future. But then I think about how I feel on days like today and I wonder if his career will ever allow him to be present. Am I okay with eating every meal and spending every holiday alone? Can I take on the responsibilities of the household and raising children essentially like a single parent? Can I deal with him only being home long enough to sleep? We’re planning on moving in together within the next 6 months. I’m not sure if this will help our relationship or just prolong the inevitable. Maybe both.
It’s been tough and I know it will only get tougher. I love him so much but I don’t know if I’m strong enough. I have to figure out what it is I need and I’m terrified at the thought that maybe he can’t give it to me. Just thinking about leaving him over the career I pushed him toward makes me feel sick to my stomach.
TL;DR – I pushed my boyfriend toward a career he loves but also leaves him exhausted and with no time to spend with me. I want to marry this guy but I don’t know if I can handle the loneliness that comes with being with someone in such a demanding industry.
[**UPDATE**](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/2oh3hc/update_hes_the_love_of_my_life_but_i_27f_dont/) \- 6^(th) Dec 2014
Not sure how many people have seen my previous post but I figured I'd cater to those who commented and seemed to genuinely care about our situation.
We finally had our much-needed conversation last night. I felt horrible for bringing up such heavy topics right after he came home from work, stressed and exhausted, but it's the only time we ever have. I asked him the big questions: What's your 5 year career plan? Can you realistically work in a kitchen for the rest of your life? Is that what you really want?
And at the mention of working in a kitchen for the rest of his life, behind eyelids drooping with exhaustion and the dark bags under them, came the sparkle and fire that I adore and feared would appear during this conversation. "I want to run my own kitchen. I want to own my own restaurant. I'm making a name for myself and people are noticing. I want this and I know I can do it."
I asked him if he realized what that meant in terms of raising a family, which he always said he wanted. He said it would stay like this. 12-16 hour shifts every day, getting home after midnight. His head hung down and told me we could make it work. "I can have breakfast with the family every morning and take the kids to school," he suggested. I told him I needed more from a partner. I want a normal life. I want to have dinner every night as a family. I want to read to our kids together at night. I want holidays and birthdays. He told me he can't give me any of that.
I was hoping and praying the entire time that he would reformulate his career path. Maybe set his eyes on a comparable goal that would make a home life possible, but there's no comparison. After hours of talking we realized this just wouldn't work. If we stayed together either I would resent him for never being around, or he would resent me for making me give up his dream. I would never strip him of that.
This is the most difficult thing I've ever had to do. I almost wish he was an abusive cheating asshole; it would make moving on way easier. But no, he's wonderful and has always been so good to me. We're very much in love and that's what makes this whole thing so horrible.
I never envisioned a future without him, and he said he always thought he'd be sharing life's successes with me. I wish I could be the one standing next to him through it all but I'm just not cut out for the life he's offering me. And although I am glad we figured out our incompatibilities before marriage and children, I'm devastated.
TL;DR He's willing to work extremely demanding hours for the rest of his life to achieve success in his industry. I need a partner who will have an active role in raising a family. The career I pushed him toward turned out to be our demise.
Sorry for the diary entry, Reddit. Thanks for reading.
\[EDIT\] Thank you to everyone for the kind words and for sharing their own personal experiences with me. The more I read the more I know this breakup had to happen in order for us both to be happy with our lives down the line. I really appreciate the support I've received here for little heartbroken me. I never anticipated that Reddit would help me heal.
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yetee2 | **I am not OP.**
Posted by [u/ThrowRaway5](https://www.reddit.com/u/ThrowRaway5?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) on r/relationship_advice
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TW: >!Infertility!<
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[**Original**](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/p27njf/my_wife_32f_wants_us_to_file_for_divorce_me_after/) _- August 11, 2021_
We have been married for 5 years. We have been trying to conceive for some time. We ran through an array of tests and found out she couldn't get pregnant. IVF is not an option. Starting a family and raising children were something we both wanted to do. It was pretty shocking.
My wife has taken it very badly. She has been moody and angry. I have tried to give her space and tried to talk to her but she lashes out at both. It has been a week and she said she want to file for divorce and be done with our marriage. She sounds angry when she talks about it. She said it was better that we get it over and done with now. We got into an argument and she said I should find a woman who could give me what I want.
I have tried to convince her that I have no intention of leaving her. She doesn't believe me. I don't know what to do here. I know she is just trying to deal with all these emotions by turning it into anger and projecting them on me. I don't know how to deal with this. She is supposed to be the rational one in the relationship. we have gone through a lot and she has dealt everything with calmness. I know she is hurting a lot. I wish I could help her feel a bit better.
TLDR : My wife found out she couldn't get pregnant. She wants to file for divorce. I have no intention of leaving her.
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[**Update**](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/p9ibha/update_my_wife_32f_wants_us_to_file_for_divorce/) _- August 23, 2021_
A lot has happened. I asked her that if she wanted to get divorced in 6 months time. we could get one but we should drop it for now. She agreed to it. I took over most of the cooking and I pretty much made her all of her favorite dishes. She was still angry but less so. Two days ago, She was finally in a place to process her emotions. She spend half the night crying in my arms. It was heartbreaking but I held on.
Today morning, I cracked a joke and she laughed after what feels like a long time. She said she was going to start therapy because she wanted to be in a good mental place before we started any adoption process. There is a lot of work ahead of us but I am fairly certain I am not getting divorced in six months.
TLDR : I took care of her while she processed it, she is doing better now and she is planning to go to therapy. | 23,946 | 2022-10-27T14:27:24 | My wife (32F) wants to divorce me (33M) after we found out she couldn't conceive. | CONCLUDED | rainingsakuras | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/yetee2/my_wife_32f_wants_to_divorce_me_33m_after_we/ | false | false | [
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yewfyo | **I am NOT OP. Original post by u/Winfallcurse in a relationships subreddit**
*Note -*
*1) This is a really long post because I have included some relevant comments & advice which are the real gem & BORU seems like an appropriate subreddit to compile the entire post*
*2) Post structure is as follows –*
* *Part 1 - OOPs post + Advice Comment 1*
* *Part 2 - Advice Comments 2,3 + OOPs Final Update*
*3) The advice included in the post is relevant for people receiving large inheritances, winning lotteries, or receiving other forms of windfall gains like settlements*
Disclaimer - I'm a little hesitant posting this, considering the length and that people might not be interested. But here goes nothing.
Mood Spoilers: >!Happy Ending!<
## PART 1
[**Me \[30M\] with my GF's \[27F\] family following my sudden inheritance. Feel like my life is shattering.**](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/4gvw19/me_30_m_with_my_gfs_27_f_family_following_my/) \- 29th April 2016
Apologies in advance for the wall of incoming text...
Where do I even begin? I'm so lost right now I don't even know how to put things into words or find a good starting point. I guess it goes with how two months ago, my life was exactly where I wanted it to be.
I've been with the girl of my dreams \[27F\] for the last 3.5 years, we have house, animals, both of our families get along beautifully and honestly, the last 3 years with her and my family and her family around the holidays have been some of the most warm, fuzzy, memories I've had in my entire life and, believe me, I've been thinking about those times a lot lately.
So, like I said, this problem is going to come in parts because my entire life feels like it is on the brink of completely falling apart. My mother was a very wealthy woman. Most of my life, she and I did not get along very well but I started working in the family business roughly 5 years ago and since then- we've actually developed a great relationship.
It was one of those things where, after many years of feeling that my mother hated me, she was at last proud of me and not afraid to say she loved me and valued me. Then, last month in mid-March, she passed away. I'm tearing up thinking about this as I type because I've always felt that- despite her resentment towards me in my early years- I loved my mother more than anyone else in this world.
I won't say much more than that- she had a hard life in spite of her wealth and I feel I could write a whole book on our relationship. Anyway, she is gone and my siblings and I are now extremely wealthy and have taken possession of the business and all of her investments and property. If that isn't scary enough- I'm having a hard time figuring out what I need to do next.
The business I was associated with: I can handle and my siblings and I have really come together on this and they seem to trust me with that part of it. But it doesn't wash away the hurt and guilt I feel that I only got a few good years with the woman who gave me life.
Anyway, my plan is to marry my GF by next year and we've already discussed the pre-nup situation, which I will be getting due to my newfound wealth. She has been nothing but wonderful after my mom's death. But the problems comes in her family.
I won't go into much detail, but I love these people- like an extension of my own family- but they have already started trying to pry exactly how wealthy I am out of my GF and her mom has always had a gravitational pull towards- for lack of a better term- pyramid schemes.
Her first sibling, "Terry" just got married and is working a fast food job. Terry and his Wife have decided they will be starting a family soon and stated that they want Wife to be a stay-at-home mom. This talk has only recently popped up and been brought to my attention and (I feel like I'm being paranoid) been directed at me as there is absolutely NO WAY they'd be able to afford this on the money they currently make or even while living in their small apartment. Like they are expecting me to help them out in a situation they are wholly unable to handle right now.
Sibling no. 2, "Leslie" has run into some pretty serious legal trouble and is also pregnant- the father has a history of abuse and neither have steady incomes. They have recently come back into our lives after a 4-year long absence between GF and Leslie- though, prior to this, the two have always been extremely close (as GF is with all of her siblings) as throughout their childhood, a lot of the time all the had was each other.
Sibling #3, "Kasey" who I hardly ever speak to has even started chatting me up on facebook more than she ever has in the entire time I've known her.
Is this just my brain devolving into paranoia or is this actually happening? Like the lottery horror stories you hear where people come out of the woodwork with their hands out when they smell money on someone they know?
I know for a FACT my mother, for all of her faults, fell victim to this when SHE inherited this money. She became increasingly bitter throughout her life due to all of the husbands and friends that took advantage of her for what she could do for them.
She drank herself stupid every day for 30+ years and moved through carton after carton of cigarettes and alienated her own children. I don't want to be like that, I don't want that to happen. It's been less than a month that I've had more money than I know what to do with and I'm afraid to spend a dime or do ANYTHING with it because I feel like my GF's family is only the beginning.
What's worse- and will probably make me look like a total shithead- is my GF has already committed to helping Leslie. They were close their whole lives and with all of the legal trouble and pregnancy, GF cries at night thinking about what's happening to her. She has not asked me to help financially or anything, but I have been there every step of the way to help support them and her as best as I can. But how will it look when my GF starts giving out her money to people while I don't and get viewed as a selfish scrooge.
All of this is too much. The last three years were just so wonderful. So many magic trips to the beach, wonderful holidays, surrounded by not one but two families full of great people that accepted and loved me and now it seems like, because I lost my mother and am getting a windfall because of it, everything is changing- I don't get to be happy with family anymore and my whole life is crashing because of this.
I know this is so far beyond a first-world problem- 'poor baby is now a multi-millionaire and is a little sad he can't have a happy christmas wah wah' but I feel so broken. I miss my mom, I don't sleep at all, I hardly eat, and- despite knowing full well the path my mother went down- I've been drinking a bit and smoking weed more than I ever had- on a daily basis in fact.
My siblings seem to be coping just fine, and now I feel like everyone is out to get me. Even my GF is getting a little tired of hearing me voice my concerns over GF Siblings 1-3 and her mom's sudden extra interest in me- which is understandable, they are all very close and take up for one another. Now, I'm even doubting myself and thinking it's all in my head maybe- too many times my mother drunkenly telling me about all the times she trusted people and was let down. I'm just so lost.
TL;DR - Mom died. Inherited a lot of money. My entire life has been flipped upside down and not in a good way.
**In response to the OPs post many commentators redirected him to “Lottery Winner” post – though the comments were related to lottery winners, a large portion of it is also relevant to people receiving windfall gains of other nature.**
[**Advice Comments 1 posted by u/BlakeClass on r/askreddit in response to “What to do after Winning Lottery” goes as follows**](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/24vzgl/comment/chba4bf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) 7th May 2014
Congratulations! You just won millions of dollars in the lottery! That's great.
Now you're fucked. No really. You are. You're fucked.
If you just want to skip the biographical tales of woe of some of the math-tax protagonists, skip on down to the next comment, to see what to do in the event you win the lottery.
You see, it's something of an open secret that winners of obnoxiously large jackpots tend to end up badly with alarming regularity. Not the $1 million dollar winners. But anyone in the nine-figure range is at high risk. Eight-figures? Pretty likely to be screwed. Seven-figures? Yep. Painful.
Perhaps this is a consequence of the sample. The demographics of lottery players might be exactly the wrong people to win large sums of money. Or perhaps money is the root of all evil. Either way, you are going to have to be careful. Don't believe me? Consider this:
*Large jackpot winners face double digit multiples of probability versus the general population to be the victim of:*
* Homicide (something like 20x more likely)
* Drug overdose
* Bankruptcy (how's that for irony?)
* Kidnapping
*And triple digit multiples of probability versus the general population rate to be:*
* Convicted of drunk driving
* The victim of Homicide (at the hands of a family member) 120x more likely in this case, ain't love grand?
* A defendant in a civil lawsuit
* A defendant in felony criminal proceedings
Believe it or not, your biggest enemy if you suddenly become possessed of large sums of money is... you. At least you will have the consolation of meeting your fate by your own hand. But if you can't manage it on your own, don't worry.
There are any number of willing participants ready to help you start your vicious downward spiral for you. Mind you, many of these will be "friends," "friendly neighbors," or "family." Often, they won't even have evil intentions. But, as I'm sure you know, that makes little difference in the end. Most aren't evil. Most aren't malicious. Some are. None are good for you.
Jack Whittaker, a Johnny Cash attired, West Virginia native, is the poster boy for the dangers of a lump sum award. In 2002 Mr. Whittaker (55 years old at the time) won what was, also at the time, the largest single award jackpot in U.S. history. $315 million. At the time, he planned to live as if nothing had changed, or so he said. He was remarkably modest and decent before the jackpot, and his ship sure came in, right? Wrong.
Mr. Whittaker became the subject of a number of personal challenges, escalating into personal tragedies, complicated by a number of legal troubles.
Whittaker wasn't a typical lottery winner either. His net worth at the time of his winnings was in excess of $15 million, owing to his ownership of a successful contracting firm in West Virginia. His claim to want to live "as if nothing had changed" actually seemed plausible.
He should have been well equipped for wealth. He was already quite wealthy, after all. By all accounts he was somewhat modest, low profile, generous and good natured. He should have coasted off into the sunset. Yeah. Not exactly.
Whittaker took the all-cash option, $170 million, instead of the annuity option, and took possession of $114 million in cash after $56 million in taxes. After that, things went south.
Whittaker quickly became the subject of a number of financial stalkers, who would lurk at his regular breakfast hideout and accost him with suggestions for how to spend his money. They were unemployed. No, an interview tomorrow morning wasn't good enough. They needed cash NOW. Perhaps they had a sure-fire business plan. Their daughter had cancer. A niece needed dialysis. Needless to say, Whittaker stopped going to his breakfast haunt.
Eventually, they began ringing his doorbell. Sometimes in the early morning. Before long he was paying off-duty deputies to protect his family. He was accused of being heartless. Cold. Stingy.
Letters poured in. Children with cancer. Diabetes. MS. You name it. He hired three people to sort the mail. A detective to filter out the false claims and the con men (and women) was retained.
Brenda, the clerk who had sold Whittaker the ticket, was a victim of collateral damage. Whittaker had written her a check for $44,000 and bought her house, but she was by no means a millionaire. Rumors that the state routinely paid the clerk who had sold the ticket 10% of the jackpot winnings hounded her. She was followed home from work. Threatened. Assaulted.
Whittaker's car was twice broken into, by trusted acquaintances who watched him leave large amounts of cash in it. $500,000 and $200,000 were stolen in two separate instances. The thieves spiked Whittaker's drink with prescription drugs in the first instance. The second incident was the handiwork of his granddaughter's friends, who had been probing the girl for details on Whittaker's cash for weeks.
Even Whittaker's good-faith generosity was questioned. When he offered $10,000 to improve the city's water park so that it was more handicap accessible, locals complained that he spent more money at the strip club. (Amusingly this was true).
Whittaker invested quite a bit in his own businesses, tripled the number of people his businesses employed (making him one of the larger employers in the area) and eventually had given away $14 million to charity through a foundation he set up for the purpose. This is, of course, what you are "supposed" to do. Set up a foundation.
Be careful about your charity giving. It made no difference in the end. To top it all off, Whittaker had been accused of ruining a number of marriages. His money made other men look inferior, they said, wherever he went in the small West Virginia town he called home. Resentment grew quickly. And festered. Whittaker paid four settlements related to this sort of claim. Yes, you read that right. Four.
His family and their immediate circle were quickly the victims of odds-defying numbers of overdoses, emergency room visits and even fatalities. His granddaughter, the 18-year-old "Brandi" (who Whittaker had been giving a $2100.00 per week allowance) was found dead after having been missing for several weeks. Her death was, apparently, from a drug overdose, but Whittaker suspected foul play. Her body had been wrapped in a tarp and hidden behind a rusted-out van.
Her 17-year-old boyfriend had expired three months earlier in Whittaker's vacation house, also from an overdose. Some of his friends had robbed the house after his overdose, stepping over his body to make their escape and then returning for more before stepping over his body again to leave. His parents sued for wrongful death claiming that Whittaker's loose purse strings contributed to their son's death. Amazingly, juries are prone to award damages in cases such as these. Whittaker settled. Again.
Even before the deaths, the local and state police had taken a special interest in Whittaker after his new-found fame. He was arrested for minor and less minor offenses many times after his winnings, despite having had a nearly spotless record before the award. Whittaker's high profile couldn't have helped him much in this regard.
In 18 months Whittaker had been cited for over 250 violations ranging from broken tail lights on every one of his five new cars, to improper display of renewal stickers. A lawsuit charging various police organizations with harassment went nowhere and Whittaker was hit with court costs instead.
Whittaker's wife filed for divorce, and in the process froze a number of his assets and the accounts of his operating companies. Caesars in Atlantic City sued him for $1.5 million to cover bounced checks, caused by the asset freeze.
Today Whittaker is badly in debt, and bankruptcy looms large in his future. But, hey, that's just one example, right? Wrong.
*Nearly one third of multi-million dollar jackpot winners eventually declare bankruptcy. Some end up worse. To give you just a taste of the possibilities, consider the fates of:*
* Billie Bob Harrell, Jr.: $31 million. Texas, 1997. As of 1999: Committed suicide in the wake of incessant requests for money from friends and family. “Winning the lottery is the worst thing that ever happened to me.
* William Post: $16.2 million. Pennsylvania. 1988. In 1989: Brother hires a contract murderer to kill him and his sixth wife. Landlady sued for portion of the jackpot. Convicted of assault for firing a gun at a debt collector. Declared bankruptcy. Dead in 2006.
* Evelyn Adams: $5.4 million (won TWICE 1985, 1986). As of 2001: Poor and living in a trailer gave away and gambled most of her fortune.
* Suzanne Mullins: $4.2 million. Virginia. 1993. As of 2004: No assets left.
* Shefik Tallmadge: $6.7 million. Arizona. 1988. As of 2005: Declared bankruptcy.
* Thomas Strong: $3 million. Texas. 1993. As of 2006: Died in a shoot-out with police.
* Victoria Zell: $11 million. 2001. Minnesota. As of 2006: Broke. Serving seven-year sentence for vehicular manslaughter.
* Karen Cohen: $1 million. Illinois. 1984. As of 2000: Filed for bankruptcy. As of 2006: Sentenced to 22 months for lying to federal bankruptcy court.
* Jeffrey Dampier: $20 million. Illinois. 1996. As of 2006: Kidnapped and murdered by own sister-in-law.
* Ed Gildein: $8.8 million. Texas. 1993. As of 2003: Dead. Wife saddled with his debts. As of 2005: Wife sued by her own daughter who claimed that she was taking money from a trust fund and squandering cash in Las Vegas.
* Willie Hurt: $3.1 million. Michigan. 1989. As of 1991: Addicted to cocaine. Divorced. Broke. Indicted for murder.
* Michael Klingebiel: $2 million. As of 1998 sued by own mother claiming he failed to share the jackpot with her.
* Janite Lee: $18 million. 1993. Missouri. As of 2001: Filed for bankruptcy with $700 in assets.
[**So what do you do after receiving such windfall gains? (Continued in Part 2)**](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/yewg7s/me_30m_with_my_gfs_27f_family_following_my_sudden/)
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yewg7s | **Reminder - I am not the original poster.**
[**PART 1 Link**](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/yewfyo/me_30m_with_my_gfs_27f_family_following_my_sudden/)
## PART 2
[**So, what the hell DO you do if you are unlucky enough to win the lottery? Advice Comment 2**](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/24vzgl/comment/chba5nw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
**Comments posted by** u/BlakeClass **on** r/AskReddit **- 7th May 2014**
&#x200B;
This is the absolutely most important thing you can do right away: NOTHING.
Yes. Nothing.
DO NOT DECLARE YOURSELF THE WINNER yet.
Do NOT tell anyone. The urge is going to be nearly irresistible. Resist it. Trust me.
* / 1. IMMEDIATELY retain an attorney.
Get a partner from a larger, NATIONAL firm. Don't let them pawn off junior partners or associates on you. They might try, all law firms might, but insist instead that your lead be a partner who has been with the firm for awhile. Do NOT use your local attorney. Yes, I mean your long-standing family attorney who did your mother's will. Do not use the guy who fought your dry-cleaner bill. Do not use the guy you have trusted your entire life because of his long and faithful service to your family. In fact, do not use any firm that has any connection to family or friends or community. TRUST me. This is bad.
You want someone who has never heard of you, any of your friends, or any member of your family. Go the closest big city and walk into one of the national firms asking for one of the "Trust and Estates" partners you have previously looked up on [http://www.martindale.com](http://www.martindale.com) from one of the largest 50 firms in the United States which has an office near you. You can look up attorneys by practice area and firm on Martindale.
* / 2. Decide to take the lump sum.
Most lotteries pay a really pathetic rate for the annuity. It usually hovers around 4.5% annual return or less, depending. It doesn't take much to do better than this, and if you have the money already in cash, rather than leaving it in the hands of the state, you can pull from the capital whenever you like. If you take the annuity you won't have access to that cash. That could be good. It could be bad. It's probably bad unless you have a very addictive personality. If you need an allowance managed by the state, it is because you didn't listen to point #1 above.
Why not let the state just handle it for you and give you your allowance?
Many state lotteries pay you your "allowance" (the annuity option) by buying U.S. treasury instruments and running the interest payments through their bureaucracy before sending it to you along with a hunk of the principal every month. You will not be beating inflation by much, if at all. There is no reason you couldn't do this yourself, if a low single-digit return is acceptable to you.
You aren't going to get even remotely the amount of the actual jackpot. Take our old friend Mr. Whittaker. Using Whittaker is a good model both because of the reminder of his ignominious decline, and the fact that his winning ticket was one of the larger ones on record. If his situation looks less than stellar to you, you might have a better perspective on how "large" your winnings aren't. Whittaker's "jackpot" was $315 million.
He selected the lump-sum cash up-front option, which knocked off $145 million (or 46% of the total) leaving him with $170 million. That was then subject to withholding for taxes of $56 million (33%) leaving him with $114 million.
In general, you should expect to get about half of the original jackpot if you elect a lump sum (maybe better, it depends). After that, you should expect to lose around 33% of your already pruned figure to state and federal taxes. (Your mileage may vary, particularly if you live in a state with aggressive taxation schemes).
* / 3. Decide right now, how much you plan to give to family and friends.
This really shouldn't be more than 20% or so. Figure it out right now. Pick your number. Tell your lawyer. That's it. Don't change it. 20% of $114 million is $22.8 million. That leaves you with $91.2 million. DO NOT CONSULT WITH FAMILY when deciding how much to give to family. You are going to get advice that is badly tainted by conflict of interest, and if other family members find out that Aunt Flo was consulted and they weren't you will never hear the end of it. Neither will Aunt Flo.
This might later form the basis for an allegation that Aunt Flo unduly influenced you and a lawsuit might magically appear on this basis. No, I'm not kidding. I know of one circumstance (related to a business windfall, not a lottery) where the plaintiffs WON this case.
Do NOT give anyone cash. Ever. Period. Just don't. Do not buy them houses. Do not buy them cars. Tell your attorney that you want to provide for your family, and that you want to set up a series of trusts for them that will total 20% of your after tax winnings.
Tell him you want the trust empowered to fund higher education, some help (not a total) purchase of their first home, some provision for weddings and the like, whatever. Do NOT put yourself in the position of handing out cash. Once you do, if you stop, you will be accused of being a heartless bastard (or bitch). Trust me. It won't go well.
It will be easy to lose perspective. It is now the duty of your friends, family, relatives, hangers-on and their inner circle to skew your perspective, and they take this job quite seriously. Setting up a trust, a managed fund for your family that is in the double digit millions is AMAZINGLY generous.
You need never have trouble sleeping because you didn't lend Uncle Jerry $20,000 in small denomination unmarked bills to start his chain of deep-fried peanut butter pancake restaurants. ("Deep'n 'nutter Restaurants") Your attorney will have a number of good ideas how to parse this wealth out without turning your siblings/ spouse/ children/ grandchildren/ cousins/ waitresses into the latest Paris Hilton.
[**So, what the hell DO you do if you are unlucky enough to win the lottery? Advice Comment 3**](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/24vzgl/comment/chba6fq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) **-7th May 2014**
* / 4. You will be encouraged to hire an investment manager. Considerable pressure will be applied. Don't.
Investment managers charge fees, usually a percentage of assets. Consider this: If they charge 1% (which is low, I doubt you could find this deal, actually) they have to beat the market by 1% every year just to break even with a general market index fund. It is not worth it, and you don't need the extra return or the extra risk. Go for the index fund instead if you must invest in stocks. This is a hard rule to follow.
They will come recommended by friends. They will come recommended by family. They will be your second cousin on your mother's side. Investment managers will sound smart. They will have lots of cool acronyms. They will have nice PowerPoint presentations. They might (MIGHT) pay for your shrimp cocktail lunch at TGI Friday's while reminding you how poor their side of the family is. They live for this stuff.
You should smile, thank them for their time, and then tell them you will get back to them next week. Don't sign ANYTHING. Don't write it on a cocktail napkin (lottery lawsuit cases have been won and lost over drunkenly scrawled cocktail napkin addition and subtraction figures with lots of zeros on them). Never call them back. Trust me. You will thank me later.
This tactic, smiling, thanking people for their time, and promising to get back to people, is going to have to become familiar. You will have to learn to say no gently, without saying the word "no." It sounds underhanded. Sneaky. It is. And its part of your new survival strategy. I mean the word "survival" quite literally. Get all this figured out BEFORE you claim your winnings. They aren't going anywhere. Just relax.
* / 5. If you elect to be more global about your paranoia
Use between 20.00% and 33.00% of what you have not decided to commit to a family fund IMMEDIATELY to purchase a combination of longer term U.S. treasuries (5 or 10 year are a good idea) and perhaps even another G7 treasury instrument. This is your safety net. You will be protected... from yourself.
You are going to be really tempted to starting being a big investor. You are going to be convinced that you can double your money in Vegas with your awesome Roulette system/by funding your friend's amazing idea to sell Lemming dung/buying land for oil drilling/by shorting the North Pole Ice market (global warming, you know). This all sounds tempting because "Even if I lose it all I still have $XX million left! Anyone could live on that comfortably for the rest of their life." Yeah, except for 33% of everyone who won the lottery.
You're not going to double your money, so cool it. Let me say that again. You're not going to double your money, so cool it. Right now, you'll get around 3.5% on the 10 year U.S. treasury. With $18.2 million (20% of $91.2 mil after your absurdly generous family gift) invested in those you will pull down $638,400 per year. If everything else blows up, you still have that, and you will be in the top 1% of income in the United States.
So how about you not fuck with it. Eh? And that's income that is damn safe. If we get to the point where the United States defaults on those instruments, we are in far worse shape than worrying about money.
If you are really paranoid, you might consider picking another G7 or otherwise mainstream country other than the U.S. according to where you want to live if the United States dissolves into anarchy or Britney Spears is elected to the United States Senate.
Put some fraction in something like Swiss Government Bonds at 3%. If the Swiss stop paying on their government debt, well, then you know money really means nothing anywhere on the globe anymore. I'd study small field sustainable agriculture if you think this is a possibility. You might have to start feeding yourself.
* / 6. That leaves, say, 80% of $91.2 million or $72.9 million.
Here is where things start to get less clear. Personally, I think you should dump half of this, or $36.4 million, into a boring S&P 500 index fund. Find something with low fees. You are going to be constantly tempted to retain "sophisticated" advisers who charge "nominal fees." Don't. Period. Even if you lose every other dime, you have $638,400 per year you didn't have before that will keep coming in until the United States falls into chaos.
Fuck advisers and their fees. Instead, drop your $36.4 million in the market in a low fee vehicle. Unless we have an unprecedented downturn the likes of which the United States has never seen, should return around 7.00% or so over the next 10 years. You should expect to touch not even a dime of this money for 10 or 15 or even 20 years. In 20 years $36.4 million could easily become $115 million.
* / 7. So you have put a safety net in place.
You have provided for your family beyond your wildest dreams. And you still have $36.4 million in "cash." You know you will be getting $638,400 per year unless the capital building is burning, you don't ever need to give anyone you care about cash, since they are provided for generously and responsibly (and can't blow it in Vegas) and you have a HUGE nest egg that is growing at market rates. (Given the recent dip, you'll be buying in at great prices for the market).
What now? Whatever you want. Go ahead and burn through $36.4 million in hookers and blow if you want. You've got more security than 99% of the country. A lot of it is in trusts so even if you are sued your family will live well, and progress across generations.
If your lawyer is worth his salt (I bet he is) then you will be insulated from most lawsuits anyhow. Buy a nice house or two, make sure they aren't stupid investments though. Go ahead and be an angel investor and fund some startups, but REFUSE to do it for anyone you know. (Friends and money, oil and water - Michael Corleone) Play. Have fun. You earned it by putting together the shoe sizes of your whole family on one ticket and winning the jackpot.
**Additionally some specific advice for Lottery Winners by** u/heathtree [**Click on this link to read**](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/24vzgl/comment/chbn4nt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) **- 7th May 2014**
[**Finally Update by OOP**](https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/4gzg5q/me_30_m_with_my_gfs_27_f_family_following_my/) \- 29th April 2016
First, I just want to say 'wow'. This whole thing blew and has made me feel much better about the whole situation. THANK YOU EVERYONE for your understanding, condolences, and advice. I read the 'lottery winning' thread many of you linked to and- while I'm not currently $300 million dollars richer- I will look into a smaller scale version of all of the things you offered up.
I'm not sure if it's worth writing a whole update but last night, I called my sister and drove an hour to her house and stayed the night with her, her husband, and my nieces and nephew. Over some beers she and I started talking about the whole situation (oddly, it's the first time we've really talked about anything alone without attorneys or my other siblings around since my mother died)
SIDE NOTE: She passed away on March 8th and I know there was at least one comment that said this seemed like everything was moving too fast. Anyway, it turns out she isn't as together about everything as I thought she was. I showed her the thread and all of the replies and both she and I agreed to talk to a financial advisor and look into getting attorneys to help us with this (she had been primarily working with my mom's attorney up until now).
I'm going to look into setting up a trust as well. Nothing too crazy but enough that I can give small gifts to these people and have a 'cap' on it so to speak for whenever it does come up. I talked to my GF on the phone this morning and kind of 'laid it all out' and she was in total agreement.
She said she was surprised Kasey has suddenly started talking to me and that it was very suspicious, she also said that Terry's Wife brought up the kids again and was showing her houses they wanted to get that were WAY out of their price range and my GF kind of played dumb and just kept asking questions about how they planned to afford all that so I know she and I are (for now at least) on the same page.
Lastly, when I was talking to my sister last night, she said something that both uplifted and destroyed me. We were talking about our mom and what a hard ass she was and my sister said that one of the last conversations she had with our mom, my mother said "You and (my brother) trust Winfallcurse, he knows what he's doing and he will make sure everyone is okay."
Anyway, thank you all again for all of your comments. I feel like a better and stronger person just one day later.
tl;dr: Talked things over with my sister. Looking into an attorney/FA.
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yeyfvb | I saw this one on r/AITA a few months ago and was invested in the outcome. Just a head's up that OOP is male.
**I am not OOP. OOP is** [u/throwaway7487473](https://www.reddit.com/user/throwaway7487473/). He has stated this will be his only update, so I have marked the story as concluded. **A reminder that OOP is male since I've seen quite a few comments referring to him as 'she.'**
Trigger Warnings: >!mental health struggles!<
Mood Spoiler: >!hopeful?!<
**Original** [Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/wr5rq7/aita_for_asking_my_husband_to_stay_with_his/): **August 17, 2022**
My husband (32) and I (30) have been married for just over a year now and things couldn’t be rockier.
I have a good job and make a decent amount of money, whereas my husband made not as much as me. Due to this, and the fact he was still living with his parents when we got married, we decided he would move in with me and I would continue to pay the rent and bills as long as he put money toward other things we may need as a couple. My name is the only one on the lease.
However, once we got married, he started to cut down on his work hours without saying anything first. He gave the explanation that I made plenty of money for the both of us so he could just work part time and do the work around the house while I was the main breadwinner. I was fine with this, a little upset that he had just assumed this would be okay but I didn’t say anything as this felt fair.
He did do some work around the house initially, but spent the majority of his time going out to the bar, playing video games, etc. to the point where I was the one both working *and* doing the cooking, cleaning and other household chores.
My husband told me he was laid off two months ago for reasons out of his control. I assumed in this time that he would begin job hunting, and I began to pay for everything.
While I do earn a decent amount of money, it’s not to the point where I can pay for rent, bills, groceries, insurance, contribute to emergency savings and finance the lifestyle my husband had started indulging in. I began paying for his nights out, subbing him money for trips to look for work, etc. all while I was under the assumption he would be searching for a new job. At least to finance his hobbies.
About a week ago, I asked him how the job hunt was going and he told me that he didn’t feel like it was worth it. He said to me that he was comfortable with what we had now and I wasn’t happy to say the least.
I confronted him about how I was doing everything to finance and take care of our household while he sat around and played video games (I was being an ass here, I’ll admit) and during this argument he let slip that he had actually quit and never looked for another job. I was furious that he had lied to me and told him I didn’t want him in my home right now.
Fast forward to now. My in-laws are understanding to an extent but are calling me an asshole for not wanting him to come back home until he gets a job. I have seen my husband in this time but never in our home, always out somewhere. I no longer pay for everything and his attitude toward me is making me question our entire relationship.
He’s calling me an asshole for doing this to him, and I’m beginning to think he’s right. Am I an asshole?
***Comments:***
"I did get a prenup, yes, as I just did not feel comfortable having completely joined assets when my name is on the majority of things we purchased as a couple."
*In response to if they will get a divorce:*
"I don’t know.. I’m estranged from my family and spend most of my time working so I don’t really have anybody else aside from him. I’ve never seen this side to him before, as before this he was always charming and respectful of our agreement.
I just don’t think it’s such an easy answer. I want to do everything to make it work before I consider such a thing."
**Update** [Post:](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/y86pkh/aita_for_asking_my_husband_to_stay_with_his/) **October 19, 2022**
Hello everybody, thank you all for your patience when it came to an update.
As I mentioned on here my (32M) husband and I (31M) had an argument which resulted in me kicking him out of our home. Since then, the dust has been able to settle and we have been able to work through our problems. I would also like to clear up here that we’re both men, as some people assumed I was a woman.
My husband and I met up for coffee (in public) a couple of days after I made my original post. He’s quite the avid Reddit user and in hindsight I probably should’ve assumed he would see it but these things slipped my mind at the time.
He apologised, a lot actually, about everything. After having my husband back for a while his parents began to really tear into him about his habits and behaviour, and that he’d have to work hard if he wanted to keep our marriage together. We’re currently seeing a couples therapist to work through the remainder of our issues to make sure that we’re 100% on the same page before we move in together again.
My husband also started working again (and moved into his own apartment) after working through some personal problems and we’re almost at a point where we’re back to where we were before all of this. We talk every day, go on dates, etc. aside from sharing a space and we’re comfortable with this.
I would like to admit here that I definitely wasn’t as good as a partner as I could’ve been. My husband’s given me permission to share with you all that he’d been struggling with his mental health a lot in the time of his unemployment, and I feel ashamed that I was too busy with my work to notice. I didn’t know at all.
This isn’t an excuse for mine nor his actions at all, but we’re communicating and he’s finally reaching out for the support he feels he needs. I’m happy with where we are and I feel like he’s not hiding his true feelings and intentions from me anymore, which I kick myself every day for making him ever feel that way.
Right now we’re not planning on changing our financial arrangement or involving a lawyer like some of you suggested as I don’t want to cause myself or him any more stress. Some of you may disagree, as his parents have been gunning for me to change financial information/get rid of everything he has access to in case he attempts this again but I trust him. This man is the love of my life and if I can’t believe that what he tells me is true then I don’t see a point to staying with him.
Once again, thank you all for your support. This is my final and only update.
**I sincerely hope the best for OOP and his husband. I hope the husband continues to get the support he needs and that their relationship becomes even healthier for both of them.** | 6,103 | 2022-10-27T17:46:57 | AITA for asking my husband to stay with his family while he’s unemployed | CONCLUDED | LucyAriaRose | /r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/yeyfvb/aita_for_asking_my_husband_to_stay_with_his/ | false | false | [
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